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[crowd cheering]
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We must break free
from the petty politics of the past.
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America is a nation of believers
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that is being led by a group of censors,
critics and cynics.
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All of the people telling you,
"You can't have the country you want,"
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are the same people that wouldn't stand...
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I mean, they said, "Trump doesn't have
a chance of being here tonight."
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Oh, we love defeating those people,
don't we?
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Don't we love defeating them?
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To all Americans tonight,
I make this promise.
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We will make America safe again.
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We will make America strong again.
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And we will make America great again!
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God bless you and good night!
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I love you.
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[crowd cheering]
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My name is Roger Stone,
and I'm an agent provocateur.
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Stone's Rules are thingsthat I have learned in life
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that I seek to pass on to others
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who may want to be
in the same business that I'm in.
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Or, actually, any business,
'cause they are fully applicable.
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So, for example, a Stone's Rule:
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"It is better to be infamous
than never be famous at all."
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Stone's Rule.
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One man's dirty trick
is another man's political, civic action.
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Everything I do,
everything I've done, has been legal.
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But politics ain't beanbagand losers don't legislate.
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The truth will be suppressed no longer.
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Lock her up!
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Lock her up!
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Well, Roger has a really rough reputation.
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They talk about "dirty trickster"
and lots of other things,
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but I've known him for a long time,
and he's actually a quality guy.
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He's a nice guy.
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Just a few descriptions of you here:
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"a state-of-the-art sleazeball,"
"a little rat,"
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"an actor who likes to assume poses."
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I believe in winning.
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I believe in doing whatever is necessaryto win, short of breaking the law.
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In the world of political consulting,
there are a number of rogues.
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But there's... [chuckles]
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There's really nobody
quite like Roger Stone.
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Roger is the sinister Forrest Gump
of American politics.
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He's not just this simpleminded guy,but this Machiavellian, almost crazy guy
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who shows up at every key momentin recent American history.
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Roger has a great understanding
of the media.
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He understands politics
and he understands politicians.
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And he always likes to take on somebody
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that at least has a good chance
of winning,
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and sometimes it doesn't work out.
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He's had some people that I said,
"What are you doing with these people?"
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But, you know...
But he loves it and he loves the game.
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He has fun with it,
and he's very good at it.
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[Jeffrey Toobin] In many respects,
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Roger Stone created Donald Trumpas a political figure.
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There is no doubt that in tone,
in affect, in profile,
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the Trump candidacy was
a pure Roger Stone production.
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When Mexico sends its people...
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They're bringing drugs,
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they're bringing crime, they're rapists.
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And some, I assume, are good people.
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[Tucker Carlson] Whereas the restof us looked at Trump
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and saw someonewho was impossibly vulgar and impolite,
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Roger looked at him and said, "You know,
this is someone who voters might like."
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I mean, Roger actually gets
democracy in a way,
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I think most people
who cover politics don't.
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You know, democracy is the process
of appealing to the majority.
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My name's Donald Trump,
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and I'm the largest real estate developer
in New York.
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I own buildings all over the place,model agencies, the Miss Universe pageant.
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But it wasn't always so easy.
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About 13 years ago,
I was billions of dollars in debt.
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But I fought back and I won, big league.
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Now my company is bigger than it ever wasand I'm having more fun than I ever had.
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Hello, everybody.
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[Roger Stone]
Fifteen seasons of The Apprentice
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not only makes hima smooth television performer,
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but think of the way he looked.
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High-backed chair, perfectly lit,great makeup, great hair, decisive,
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making decisions, running the show.
He looks presidential.
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Do you think voters, non-sophisticates,
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make a difference
between entertainment and politics?
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Politics is show business for ugly people.
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Roger always wanted me
to run for president.
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And over the years,
every time a presidential race came up,
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he always wanted me to run.
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And I just didn't have interest
at that time.
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And nor was the country
in trouble like it is today.
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The American Dream is dead.
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[woman] Bring it back!
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But if I get elected president,
I will bring it back.
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Bigger and better
and stronger than ever before.
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-[girls singing] # Cowardice #-# Are you serious? #
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-# Apologies for freedom #-# I can't handle this! #
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-# When freedom rings #-# Answer the call! #
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-# On your feet #-# Stand up tall! #
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-# Freedom's on our shoulders #-# USA! #
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# Enemies of freedom #
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# Face the music #
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# Come on, boysTake 'em down! #
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# President Donald Trump knows howTo make America great #
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# Deal from strengthOr get crushed every time #
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It's really great to be here
in Cleveland, 2016.
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A lot of beautiful people here.
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1776!
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-# Over here #-# USA! #
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-# Over there #-# USA! #
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# O, say, can you seeIt's not so easy #
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# But we have to stand up tallAnd answer freedom's call #
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I have never been more excited
about a presidential campaign.
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I have never seen a grassroots uprising.
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This is not the Republicans
versus the Democrats.
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[man] That's right.
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This is the elites of the Republican
and Democratic Party
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who have driven this country
into the ditch
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versus Donald J. Trump
and the rest of America.
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[crowd cheering]
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I thank you for your support.
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We are on the verge of making America
great again. Thank you.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Stone] How are you doing? Good.
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-Take a picture with my son?
-[Stone] Yes. How are ya?
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And if you decide to run for president
in, like, 2039, look me up.
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-I will.
-[man laughs]
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[Stone] I understand how fame works.You know, the four stages of fame.
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It's like, "Who is Roger Stone?"
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"Get me Roger Stone."
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"Get me a Roger Stone type."
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"Who is Roger Stone?"
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A mock election was plannedin my elementary school.
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And I was for John F. Kennedy
because my parents were Catholic,
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and I thought,
although they were Republicans,
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they had a certain sympathy for Kennedy.
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But also because Kennedy's hair wasso much better than Nixon's hair.
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And, therefore, I went to the cafeteria
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and as each kid would go throughthe cafeteria line with their tray,
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I would tell them, "You know,
Nixon has proposed
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having school on Saturdays."
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Well, then the mock election was held,
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and to the surprise
of the local newspaper,
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Democrat John Kennedy sweptthis mock election.
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For the first time ever,
I understood the value of disinformation.
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Of course,
I've never practiced it since then.
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We Republicans seek
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a government that attends
to its inherent responsibilities,
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encouraging a free
and a competitive economy,
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and enforcing law and order.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Stone] My firstRepublican National Convention was 1964.
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I was 12 years old.
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The woman who lived next door to me,she gave me a copy of a book,
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The Conscience of a Conservative
by Barry Goldwater.
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And I devoured this bookin, you know, a day.
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It was at that moment that I knew
what I wanted to do.
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I no longer wanted to be an actor.
I now wanted to be in politics.
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Little did I know how similar they are.
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I became a zealot.
I had a Goldwater sticker on my bicycle.
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I wore Goldwater buttons.
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I wore a Goldwater button
two weeks after the election was over.
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That's how defiant I was.
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[Ann] I met Roger in college.
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He was really a total prodigy,in terms of his political ability.
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He was talking grown men back home
into running for office, electing them.
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And then we would sit in our dorm room
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and they would call Roger
for political advice
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as to how they should vote on key issues.
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His mother once said,"You're not a Catholic.
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Your religion is the Republican Party
and your god is Richard Nixon."
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Bart Porter asked him, you know,if he'd be interested
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in coming to the Nixon campaign,
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so Roger took time off of school
to go join the campaign.
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[reporter] This is central headquartersfor the Re-Elect Nixon Campaign.
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The White House.
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But for the sake of appearances,
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the Re-Elect Nixon headquarters, in name,is one block up Pennsylvania Avenue.
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[Stone] The Committeeto Re-Elect the President
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was unlike any campaign that I'd been in.
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It didn't look likeyour typical political headquarters.
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It had a very hushed,
corporate quality to it.
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Porter called me into his office and said,
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"We want you to go to New Hampshire,
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and we want you to give this contributionto Pete McCloskey,
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who's runningfor the Republican nomination,
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challenging Nixon from the left,
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in the name
of the Young Socialist Alliance."
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I got an enormous mason jar,
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filled it with pennies and nickels
and dimes and quarters.
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I brought itto the McCloskey headquarters.
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I said, "Hi, I'm from
the Young Socialist Alliance.
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I wanna donate this,
and I need a receipt."
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They were so dumb, they gave me one.
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The idea was to give the receipt
to the Manchester Union Leader,
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the largest newspaper in New Hampshire,
as a way of discrediting McCloskey.
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A perfect example of a dirty trick
that had no purpose and no effect,
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but the Nixon people thought it was great.
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I never heard another word about it...
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until an investigator from the Senate
Watergate Committee knocked on my door.
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[reporter 1] We have a mystery storyout of Washington.
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Five people have been arrested and charged
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with breaking into the headquartersof the Democratic National Committee
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in the middle of the night.
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[reporter 2] The DemocraticNational Committee is located
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in the Watergate office building.
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I welcome this kind of examination,
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because people have got to know
whether or not their president is a crook.
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Well, I'm not a crook.
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I've earned everything I've got.
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I was the youngest person
to go to the Watergate grand jury.
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During the SenateWatergate Committee hearings,
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this enormous chart was put up,
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in which everyone who received moneyfrom this secret fund was put on the wall.
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And it said, "Gordon Liddy,
McCord, Segretti."
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And then way down at the bottom,it said "Stone."
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I paid $100 to Mr. Roger Stone
on one occasion.
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My parents called me on the phone.
They were mortified.
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I thought it was pretty cool.
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To leave office
before my term is completed
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is abhorrent to every instinct in my body.
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But as president,I must put the interests of America first.
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Therefore, I shall resign the presidency
effective at noon tomorrow.
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[Stone] I was a Watergate figureat 19 years old.
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I mean, at the time,I was scared shitless.
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It was very hard to find work.
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We used to have these buttons that said"hire a Watergate vet."
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So this is the Batcave.This is "the Factory," as we call it.
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This is where I tapemy Saturday radio shows.
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It is also the repository
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of probably the world's largest collection
of Nixon memorabilia.
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The 1962 campaign for governor.
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Uh, a rally that I actually attended.
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A head shot poster of the day.
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This is protesting
Nixon's historic trip to China.
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Here you have the first
and second generation Nixon bongs.
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This is among my most prized possessions.
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[reporter] Roger Stone doesoccasional political chores for Nixon.
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One such chore, to organize dinnersof journalists at Nixon's New Jersey home.
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[Stone] I was the assigned liaisonbetween the Reagan campaign
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and former President Nixon,
transmitting memos back and forth.
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It was not until his post-presidencythat we became close friends.
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He had been through a lot, obviously,
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but I think he wasjust as resilient as ever.
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His greatest single quality is resilience.
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And that's the purpose of my tattoo.
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It's not an ideological statement.
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It's a reminder that in life,when you get knocked down,
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you have to get up off the canvas
and keep pushing, get back in the game.
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That's the story of Nixon.
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A man is not finished when he is defeated.
He's only finished when he quits.
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[Toobin] The Nixon tattoo is reallyall you need to know about Roger.
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Because he thinks
Nixon's approach to politics,
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the toughness,
the win-at-all-costs mentality,
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that's what Roger reflects.
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Delegates to the Young Republicans
Convention in Memphis
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have chosen as their chairman
a conservative with a Watergate past.
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[reporter] Watergate dominatedthis convention
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because the Republican Party'simportant youth arm
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was about to be taken over by Roger Stone,a 25-year-old political operative
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who was deeply involvedin the 1972 Nixon "dirty tricks" campaign.
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[Paul Manafort] They embellishedwhat was a 20-year-old kid's role
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into being the mastermind of Watergate.
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Roger saw the opportunity
to build a reputation
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off of being viewed
as that politically significant.
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[reporter] Opponents of Stone contend
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that his election is part of a moveby conservative activists
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to take over the Republican Party.
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[Manafort] When we elected Roger,
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we moved the Republican Partyin a more ideological direction.
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Up until that point, it was straddling
the old Republican establishment
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and the new conservative movementthat was started in Barry Goldwater days.
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We built on that,
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and I think when Roger was elected
chairman of the Young Republicans,
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you know, that was the piecethat finalized everything.
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For many years, the Republican Party
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was associated with this sort of good guy,Eisenhower earnestness.
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What happened with the new right
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was there was a new generation
of people who said,
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"You know what? We're gonna fight dirty
and we're gonna win."
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Among the revolutionary changes
in American politics the past few years
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has been the rise
of the political action committees,
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called PACs,
fund-raising groups for special interests.
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[reporter] NCPAC,
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the National Conservative PoliticalAction Committee based in Virginia,
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rich in money, and dedicatedto doing in the nation's liberals.
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Even, its director Terry Dolan says,if that means using the politics of fear.
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I don't think there's anything wrong
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[Stone] I met Terry Dolan
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when we were teenage Republicanstogether in Connecticut.
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[Ann] When we got married,Terry was our best man.
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But more than that,he actually ended up moving in with us.
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We used to refer to him as "the child."
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It was on our living room floorthat NCPAC was born.
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NCPAC, the National Conservative
Political Action Committee,
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is transformative in the sense
that we really pioneered
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negative campaign advertisingin massive doses to win elections.
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Up to that time,it really hadn't been done.
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I came to Washington
for the Wall Street Journal
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in, um, the very end of 1983.
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And Roger was already
kind of a legend by then,
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kind of a dark legend, [chuckles]
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because of the negative adsthat he and NCPAC had run.
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So people thought of him
as kind of a wizard behind the scenes.
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I remember meeting him
on the street and thinking,
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"Wow, that's Roger Stone."
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[announcer on TV] Birch Bayh telling ushe's fighting inflation.
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The price tag on that baloneyis $46 billion.
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Because if Bayh wins, you lose.
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The story of NCPAC is
that after Watergate,
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there were campaign finance reforms
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to try to control the corruptionin spending on politics.
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So what the Republicans did was,
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they figured out a way
around the new rules.
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[Manafort] The focus of NCPAC wasto use all the tools of a campaign,
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but instead of having a candidate,
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to use it through a PAC.
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[Stone] We could only givea Senate campaign,
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in a direct financial transfer of $5,000.
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But the loophole was we could advertise
on behalf of a candidate,
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without their cooperation or coordination,
an unlimited amount.
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And that's why NCPAC was successful.
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[reporter] It was a political disasterfor Senate Democrats.
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They not only lost control of the Senate,
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they lost some of the biggest namesin the Democratic Party
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and many of their most prominent liberals.
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Regrettably, NCPAC consistently plays
to the dark side of human nature.
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Its stock-in-trade is the half-truth,
the innuendo, the distortion.
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[man on TV]
Power is what PACs are about.
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The power to raise and give money
to political candidates,
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who, in turn,
will at least give them a hearing
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and at best do their bidding.
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Roger was one of the inventors
of the modern political system.
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The PACs, the super PACs.
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That is where Roger has madehis influence,
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and it continues to be felt.
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I'm convinced that at some point,
with these types of programs,
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you could elect Mickey Mouse
to the House or the Senate.
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[announcer on TV]
Ronald Reagan for president.
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He'll make America great again.
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[Stone] The district we're in
is Congressman Gary Lee.
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After this, we go to the 32nd District,
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where those guys
just got knocked off the ballot.
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-You're good at this.
-[laughs]
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You must have had some experience.
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[Stone] 1980,Ronald Reagan defeats Jimmy Carter.
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I was running
three northeastern states for Reagan,
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as a regional political director.
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I think most observers didn't recognize
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Reagan's enormous appeal
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to blue-collar Catholicsand working-class people.
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And, of course, he carried
all three states and the presidency.
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And I'm proud of the fact that I played
some tiny, infinitesimal role
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in saving the United States
by electing Ronald Reagan.
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The Reagan voter is a blue-collar,
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working-class, middle education,
middle-income-level voter.
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Roger identified the Reagan Democrat.
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He actually wrote up the strategy
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for reaching out specificallyto the blue-collar and the Catholic vote.
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He tends to be a second, third-generation
Catholic... Italian, Irish, Polish.
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[Ann] The Reagan Democrat wasa critical part
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of bringing over statesthat normally would not vote Republican.
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Let us pledge to each other,
with this great lady looking on,
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that we can, and so help us God,
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we will, make America great again.
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-[crowd cheering]
-Thank you very much.
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Roger is unique, in my experience,
because he actually embraces infamy.
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He doesn't worry
that you think he's a sleazeball.
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He wants you to think he's a sleazeball.
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What a cheap, low-class way to operate.
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[man] Why do you embrace
the role of dirty trickster?
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Well, I'm stuck with it now.
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It's gonna be in the first paragraph
of my New York Times obit,
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so I might as well go with the flow.
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The only thing I can think of worse
than being talked about...
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is not being talked about.
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-[crowd cheering and chanting]
-# Used to be a fan of Bill #
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# Blue dressesAnd spunk was spilled #
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# Cigars and the broads they filled #
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# Should have seen a pissed-off Hill #
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# Why she stayed? What's the deal?I lost count of the ordeals #
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# Y'all don't understandHow criminals build #
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# And the products they moveAnd the people they've killed? #
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# Partners of the Bush Crime FamArkansas, Contra-Iran #
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# Agency's drug plan expand #
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Now, Bill and Hillary Clinton would steal
a hot stove.
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-[crowd laughing]
-These people are career criminals,
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and thus far, the mainstream media
has helped conceal their crimes.
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But the truth will be suppressed
no longer.
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[chanting] Lock her up!
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[Stone and crowd chanting] Lock her up!
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Lock her up! Lock her up!
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# Clinton Crime CartelThey got guns to sell #
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# If women getting raped in the processOh, well #
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[Stone] The slash-and-burn politicsof today
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are what's required to get noticed.
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God bless you. I'll be happy to sign books
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for those patriots who are smart enough
to buy them.
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[crowd cheers]
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If you can't communicate with people,
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you can't get them to adhere to the ideayou are trying to educate them about.
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You have to be outrageous to get noticed.
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[blows]
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"For Roger, with fond memories
and the highest regard and affection
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for his good work in the 1980 campaign.
From a good friend, Roy Cohn."
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[commentator] This is a manthat everybody is going to enjoy meeting.
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He's Roy M. Cohn,
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who was confidential assistantto the United States Attorney General.
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[reporter 1] In 1953, Roy Cohn becamechief counsel to Senator Joe McCarthy's
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communist-huntinginvestigations committee.
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[reporter 2] His reignof televised intimidation in the 1950s
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has become synonymous with demagoguery,fearmongering and character assassination.
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[reporter 3] Cohn went onto private practice and made millions.
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He became one of the most politicallyconnected lawyers in the nation.
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[reporter 4] The last two decadesof his career were marred
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by allegations of fraud,blackmail and perjury.
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When I was assigned New York
for Ronald Reagan in 1979,
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for the 1980 election,
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shortly thereafter I was invited
to a dinner party
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being thrown by a Washington socialite...
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who, in all honesty,
I was trying to lay...
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and Cohn was present.
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So I made my way up to him.
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I introduced myself. I said,
"Mr. Cohn, I'm... I'm Roger Stone."
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He looked at me and said,
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"Are you the son or the grandson
of the Roger Stone
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who's running the Reagan campaign
here in New York?"
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I said, "No, that's me."
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He turns to his partner Tom Bolan.
He says, "Reagan's in trouble."
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[Wayne Barrett]
I wrote a lot about Roy Cohn.
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I started hearing about Roger
from people who were close to Roy.
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Roy Cohn is the single most evil personI have ever covered.
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If that's a magnet for you as a young man,
it says you're soulless before you start.
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Well, my attitude regarding
those who criticize me
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for being friends with Roy Cohn
or Richard Nixon is... fuck 'em.
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[Ann] Roger's relationshipwith Cohn was, in part, mentor.
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Cohn had a slice of history,
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and a circle of friends that would nothave necessarily been part of our orbit.
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It's how we met Trump.
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Donald Trump is probably one of the most
important names in America today.
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He is, as I say, the closest thing
to a genius I've ever met in my life.
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On "Special Segment" tonight,
Mike Jensen profiles a man
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who, at the age of 39,
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is not content with being New York City's
latest real estate billionaire.
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Donald Trump has also ventured
into gambling and professional football
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and says he could negotiate a nuclear
disarmament treaty with the Soviet Union.
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[man on TV] Donald Trump,a tough man in a tough city.
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Steve, you're gonna have to start pushing
these people now,
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'cause it's getting a little ridiculous,
as far as I'm concerned.
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[man on TV] At the age of 39,Donald Trump has become
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one of America's best knownand most successful builders.
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And, not surprisingly,he has an ego almost as big as his empire.
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I had a lawyer,
who was a very good lawyer, tough lawyer,
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named Roy Cohn.
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He introduced me, at one point,to Roger Stone.
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Roy thought Roger was a very tough guy.
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Roy knew some very tough guys,
I will tell you that,
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but Roy always felt
that Roger was not only tough,
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but a smart guy and very political.
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[man on TV] Trump is an expertat getting what he wants,
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particularly from politicians.
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He's gotten tax abatementsand other concessions.
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Politicians have gottencampaign contributions.
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Big ones.
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[Manafort] Roger's the first onewho introduced us to Donald,
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and Donald was one of our clients
at Black, Manafort, Stone
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in the early '80sand was a client of ours for a long time.
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[Toobin] In the early daysof the Reagan administration,
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Roger was so prominent and so successful,
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he could have becomea sort of great man of the party.
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He was a real insider.
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He was a political consultant,a lobbyist,
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someone who was rightin the thick of things.
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Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and I
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had worked together
through the Reagan campaign.
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When the Reagan campaign gotshort of cash,
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and decided to starta political consulting firm.
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Paul Manafort came in one day and said,
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"You know,we ought to start a lobbying firm,
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because I'm getting a lot of calls from
people who know we all work for Reagan
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00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:52,926
and know the people who are gonna be
in the Reagan administration,
479
00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:54,553
and they want lobbying."
480
00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:55,637
So we did.
481
00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:56,972
[indistinct chatter]
482
00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:59,725
-Good to see you.
-This is Paul Manafort.
483
00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:01,143
[Manafort] What we were doing was
484
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:04,271
trying to use our relationshipsthat we had built up,
485
00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:07,649
first through the Young Republicans
and then through NCPAC,
486
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:10,902
and to create a businessthat would focus on political consulting.
487
00:26:10,986 --> 00:26:14,490
[Jane Mayer] Lobbying had been consideredkind of a sleazy business,
488
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:18,452
but Roger Stone unabashedly came out
and said,
489
00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:22,623
"I'm gonna make a pile of money off this
and no apologies."
490
00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:26,418
Black, Manafort & Stone was the shit.
491
00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:30,547
It was the biggest, most powerful
lobbying operation in Washington.
492
00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:33,967
We did thingsthat nobody else had ever done.
493
00:26:34,051 --> 00:26:35,928
# That's the way you do it #
494
00:26:36,011 --> 00:26:39,056
# Money for nothin'And your chicks for free #
495
00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:40,933
# Money for nothin' #
496
00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:44,603
# And your chicks for free #
497
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,273
# Money for nothin' #
498
00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:51,777
# And your chicks for free #
499
00:26:52,277 --> 00:26:53,695
# Look at thatLook at that #
500
00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:55,781
# Money for nothin' #
501
00:26:57,407 --> 00:26:58,951
# And your chicks for free #
502
00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:02,871
[Mayer] There were a lot of gray people
503
00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:06,041
in gray suits and tan raincoatsin Washington.
504
00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:08,710
They were all sort of interchangeable.
505
00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:10,837
And then you had Roger Stone.
506
00:27:10,921 --> 00:27:16,092
And when he went to fancy parties,
he wore black patent leather slippers.
507
00:27:16,177 --> 00:27:18,304
He was a whole new level of, sort of,
508
00:27:18,387 --> 00:27:21,139
splash and show business
and money and glitz.
509
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:23,851
# Money for nothin' #
510
00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:25,602
[interviewer] Joining us now, Roger Stone,
511
00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:29,147
who belongs to one of Washington's
most successful consulting firms.
512
00:27:29,231 --> 00:27:32,234
The argument, I gather, seems to be
that you helped elect 'em,
513
00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:34,320
and now you're helping to tell them
what to do,
514
00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:36,947
and this really isn't what
the Founding Fathers had in mind.
515
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:41,577
First of all, the term "influence shops"
is really not accurate at all.
516
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,537
I think that what we provide
for our clients,
517
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:47,208
be them foreign countries
or corporations or individuals,
518
00:27:47,291 --> 00:27:50,377
is a superior understanding
of how Washington works.
519
00:27:50,461 --> 00:27:52,588
[Toobin] Before Black, Manafort & Stone,
520
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:57,634
it was considered somewhat distasteful
for campaign types
521
00:27:57,718 --> 00:28:00,011
to immediately go into lobbying,
522
00:28:00,095 --> 00:28:02,681
trying to influence the peoplethey just elected.
523
00:28:03,307 --> 00:28:06,977
What Black, Manafort & Stone said was,"We're unapologetic.
524
00:28:07,561 --> 00:28:10,564
We got this guy elected,and now we're going to make money
525
00:28:10,647 --> 00:28:13,317
by charging for accessto his administration."
526
00:28:13,817 --> 00:28:19,573
There's been a massive expansion
of the lobbying sector in Washington.
527
00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:22,284
Some of them are so powerful
and successful
528
00:28:22,368 --> 00:28:23,369
that we don't question it.
529
00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:25,537
We just assume it's a fact
of American political life.
530
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:29,666
[Toobin] Black, Manafort & Stone,in their brazenness,
531
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:34,004
really created
the modern sleazeball lobbyist.
532
00:28:34,087 --> 00:28:35,297
[Harry Siegel] They elected people.
533
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,091
As soon as those people were in office,they lobbied them.
534
00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:41,470
And so they crossed a linethat hadn't been crossed.
535
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,805
Washington's been worse for it ever since.
536
00:28:43,889 --> 00:28:46,975
[reporter] Paul Manafortof Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly
537
00:28:47,058 --> 00:28:49,311
stands with his partnersat the receiving end
538
00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:51,855
of $31 million in subsidies.
539
00:28:51,938 --> 00:28:53,607
I will stipulate for the purpose of today
540
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,692
that you could characterize this
as influence peddling.
541
00:28:55,776 --> 00:28:56,943
[congressman] Thank you.
542
00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:59,280
I will bring new people to Washington.
543
00:28:59,363 --> 00:29:02,574
People that come there to serve
and not to profit.
544
00:29:02,658 --> 00:29:06,953
We will have
the highest possible ethical standards.
545
00:29:07,037 --> 00:29:08,580
We're gonna bring in the best.
546
00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:09,665
[reporter] The best?
547
00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,167
Charles Black is a senior advisor to Bush.
548
00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:14,085
So are Paul Manafort and Roger Stone.
549
00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:17,381
And Lee Atwater isGeorge Bush's campaign manager.
550
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:21,343
All these men are partnersin a firm that, in 1985,
551
00:29:21,427 --> 00:29:25,347
received $3.4 millionin foreign lobbying fees.
552
00:29:25,431 --> 00:29:29,100
Black, Manafort & Stone saw
a business opportunity
553
00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:31,687
in being the torturers' lobby.
554
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:35,857
In representingthe most distasteful dictators,
555
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:39,986
Mobutu, Marcos, UNITA in Angola.
556
00:29:40,654 --> 00:29:46,743
They did not care about being acceptablein the salons of Georgetown.
557
00:29:46,827 --> 00:29:49,371
They cared about making money.
558
00:29:49,455 --> 00:29:52,333
You know, one man's freedom fighter
is another man's terrorist.
559
00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,919
[reporter] There are reports of grosshuman rights abuses in rebel-held areas,
560
00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:59,590
including the burning aliveof Savimbi's political opponents.
561
00:29:59,673 --> 00:30:01,257
The Cold War was going on.
562
00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,219
You know, I'll take criticismif they give it to Reagan
563
00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:06,888
and the majority of Congress
who put the funding in.
564
00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:10,684
[reporter] Tens of thousands of men havebeen killed or wounded in the fighting.
565
00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:14,605
The US missiles will escalate the wareven to a more deadly level.
566
00:30:14,688 --> 00:30:17,273
When people think
of Washington corruption,
567
00:30:17,358 --> 00:30:21,111
they think of organizations
like Black, Manafort & Stone,
568
00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:24,155
that shook down dictators,
took all their money,
569
00:30:24,239 --> 00:30:27,451
and then tried
to take America's government
570
00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,953
and make them serve
the dictators' interest.
571
00:30:30,036 --> 00:30:32,748
You know, it is the swamp.
572
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:35,334
I'm proud of the job I did
at Black, Manafort & Stone,
573
00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:37,168
because I made a lot of money,
574
00:30:37,252 --> 00:30:41,423
and I can't think of anything I did
that was either illegal or immoral.
575
00:30:41,507 --> 00:30:44,259
You play by the rules as they're written.
576
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:47,679
When they change the rules,
you change the way you play the game.
577
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:54,102
[Toobin] When you talk to Rogerabout his business and morality,
578
00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:57,063
he sees morality
as a synonym for weakness.
579
00:30:57,147 --> 00:31:01,317
That's something that he's always
going to have contempt for.
580
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:10,035
[Stone] Those who say I have no soul,those who say I have no principles,
581
00:31:10,118 --> 00:31:12,120
are losers. Those are bitter losers.
582
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:15,290
Everything I have done,
everything I have worked for,
583
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:19,420
is to propel ideas
and a political philosophy
584
00:31:19,503 --> 00:31:21,505
that I want to see dominant in government.
585
00:31:22,088 --> 00:31:26,176
Donald Trump has now elevatedthe issues that I believe in.
586
00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:30,472
Anti-elitism, that was first identified
by Richard Nixon...
587
00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:34,100
To you, the great silent majority...
588
00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:35,852
[Stone] ...mined by Ronald Reagan...
589
00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:39,355
Government is not the solution
to our problem,
590
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,442
government is the problem.
591
00:31:41,525 --> 00:31:42,943
[Stone] ...and now Donald Trump.
592
00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:47,989
The silent majority is back,
and we're gonna take the country back.
593
00:31:48,073 --> 00:31:49,783
[crowd cheering]
594
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:55,456
The image they have of politics is
a dirty image of politics.
595
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:58,667
It's that, um, everybody's for sale.
596
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,586
When Trump talks about, you know,
597
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:04,089
"I gave my money 'cause I thought
I might need a favor later."
598
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:05,799
Everyone's for sale.
599
00:32:05,882 --> 00:32:08,802
Nobody's there to serve the public good.
600
00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:13,098
It's an anti-government view
and an anti-political view and, um...
601
00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,851
very lacking in idealism, very cynical.
602
00:32:15,934 --> 00:32:17,561
There's no nobility in it.
603
00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:18,645
The money in politics?
604
00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:21,773
Well, I think there should be,
frankly, more transparency.
605
00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:25,401
Because I see a guy
like Jeb Bush with $114 million,
606
00:32:25,486 --> 00:32:26,612
which is now higher,
607
00:32:26,695 --> 00:32:28,655
and nobody even knows
who put the money in.
608
00:32:28,739 --> 00:32:31,658
And they all control him
like a little puppet, okay?
609
00:32:31,742 --> 00:32:32,784
I know half of the people.
610
00:32:32,868 --> 00:32:34,870
I don't know who they are
because I can't find it out.
611
00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:37,539
But as soon as I do,
I will know most of 'em.
612
00:32:37,623 --> 00:32:39,833
They're friends of mine.
I used to be there.
613
00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:41,793
I used to be the king at that, okay?
614
00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:48,049
[crowd cheering]
615
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:52,888
[Barrett] In 1981, Roger runs Tom Kean'scampaign for governor in New Jersey.
616
00:32:52,971 --> 00:32:55,140
Donald is just really getting into
617
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:57,934
the throes of casino life
in Atlantic City,
618
00:32:58,018 --> 00:33:00,937
so they came together on a common agenda.
619
00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,148
[Matt Labash] Trump gave hima lot of casino business.
620
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:06,442
Roger and Trump, peas in a pod, you know?
621
00:33:06,527 --> 00:33:10,781
Trump is someone, through the '80s,
who took enormous risks and succeeded.
622
00:33:10,864 --> 00:33:15,285
Roger represented Donald Trump
from Donald Trump's earliest days.
623
00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:20,248
Then the Ethics Commission made a findingagainst Donald Trump and him
624
00:33:20,331 --> 00:33:23,251
for all of the illegal thingsthat they did.
625
00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:28,549
When Roger wants something,
he pursues it with vigor.
626
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,009
Now politics, sort of.
627
00:33:31,092 --> 00:33:34,095
New York developer Donald Trump caused
a stir this morning
628
00:33:34,179 --> 00:33:36,723
when he took out an ad
in some major newspapers
629
00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:40,101
charging American foreign policylacks backbone.
630
00:33:40,185 --> 00:33:43,188
Immediately the question came up,is he running for something?
631
00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:48,068
In 1987, I suggested that Trump
should explore a bid for the presidency.
632
00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:51,029
This sounds like political
presidential talk to me,
633
00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:54,575
and I know that people have talked to you
about if you wanna run. Would you ever?
634
00:33:54,658 --> 00:33:58,119
Probably not, but I do get tired of seeing
what's happening with this country.
635
00:33:58,203 --> 00:34:00,914
And if it got so bad,
I would never wanna rule it out totally,
636
00:34:00,997 --> 00:34:04,250
because I really am tired of seeing
what's happening with this country.
637
00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:06,044
I was like a jockey looking for a horse.
638
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:08,421
You can't win the race
if you don't have a horse,
639
00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:11,257
and he is a prime piece
of political horseflesh in my view.
640
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:18,557
I interceded with the Portsmouth,New Hampshire Chamber of Commerce
641
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,225
to arrange a lunch.
642
00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:24,145
The helicopter landing wasas big a news as his speech.
643
00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:27,774
This is kind of the first timeI saw the power of Trump.
644
00:34:28,358 --> 00:34:31,987
The public interest in Trump was palpable.
645
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,071
It was, like, electric.
646
00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:35,699
And he lit the place on fire.
647
00:34:35,782 --> 00:34:38,619
I'm not here today
because I'm running for the presidency.
648
00:34:38,702 --> 00:34:41,287
I'm here because I'm personally tired
649
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:44,207
of seeing this great country of ours
being ripped off.
650
00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:46,960
Roger always wanted me
to run for president.
651
00:34:47,043 --> 00:34:50,421
And in 1988, he wanted me to run,
but I had no interest.
652
00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:52,007
I did a book called The Art of the Deal,
653
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,467
which was the number one best-seller
of the year.
654
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:55,551
It was a tremendous book.
655
00:34:55,636 --> 00:34:59,347
Roger wanted me to run so badly,
and I just didn't want to do it.
656
00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:02,517
What I want is, I want extreme competence.
657
00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,478
I want strength and extreme competence.
658
00:35:05,561 --> 00:35:08,439
[Michael Caputo] In 1988, when I wasat the New Orleans convention,
659
00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:10,942
Roger Stone had me setting up chairsin a reception room
660
00:35:11,026 --> 00:35:14,946
for an executive out of New York
who I didn't really know, Donald Trump.
661
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,490
Even though his candidatefor president, Jack Kemp,
662
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:19,993
had the possibility of beingselected as vice president,
663
00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:22,788
he was squiring Donald Trump
around the convention.
664
00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:26,041
You have said
that if you ran for president, you'd win.
665
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,292
I'd have a very good chance.
666
00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,460
I like to win.
When I do something, I like to win.
667
00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:33,048
I like to do well, and I think I probably
would have a pretty good chance.
668
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,509
Roger saw the value of the outsider image.
669
00:35:36,592 --> 00:35:38,637
He saw the value of somebody
670
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,640
who brought business experienceto the political process.
671
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:45,185
He saw something that nobody else sawback in the early '80s.
672
00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:47,478
Once he'd had conversationswith Trump about that,
673
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,023
Trump started to take seriously
that maybe he should run.
674
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:51,817
[Donald Trump] So long.
Thanks a lot, folks.
675
00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:13,004
Florida is a great place to live.
676
00:36:13,088 --> 00:36:15,340
It's a sunny place for shady people.
677
00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:18,176
Welcome to Casa del Stone.
678
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:23,264
This is, uh, where I live with my wife,
three cats and three dogs.
679
00:36:23,348 --> 00:36:25,225
And my 91-year-old mother.
680
00:36:25,308 --> 00:36:26,935
Tough as nails.
681
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:31,231
If you ever saw The Sopranos
and you're familiar with Tony's mother,
682
00:36:31,314 --> 00:36:32,733
that's my mother.
683
00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:35,401
These guys are liberal filmmakers.
They cannot be trusted.
684
00:36:35,485 --> 00:36:36,486
Hi.
685
00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:37,570
Come here, Sambo.
686
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:40,281
Sammy is, uh... He's not well.
687
00:36:40,991 --> 00:36:42,075
He's been losing weight.
688
00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:44,619
And we've been taking him
back and forth to the vet.
689
00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:46,496
Come here, baby. Give me a kiss.
690
00:36:46,579 --> 00:36:48,289
Give me a kiss. No kiss? No kiss?
691
00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:49,582
Okay. [kisses]
692
00:36:49,665 --> 00:36:50,666
This is my wife.
693
00:36:50,751 --> 00:36:52,711
We met working on the Reagan campaign,
694
00:36:52,794 --> 00:36:56,757
where she was employed
as a photographer for the campaign
695
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,343
and I was working for Reagan
as a regional political director.
696
00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:03,263
This is the designated smoking area.
697
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:05,640
Kind of a contemplative garden.
698
00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:08,434
[man] What do you contemplate out here?
699
00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:11,312
Political strategy
and destroying my enemies.
700
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:15,650
[announcer] And now may I introduce
Mr. Roger Stone to all of you.
701
00:37:15,734 --> 00:37:17,277
[crowd applauding]
702
00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:26,244
Bill Clinton is a Bill Cosby-style
sexual predator,
703
00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:32,500
who has preyed on probably hundreds,
but at least 27, individual women.
704
00:37:32,583 --> 00:37:36,004
If Bill Cosby is going to be
held responsible for his actions,
705
00:37:36,087 --> 00:37:39,382
then Bill Clinton should be
held responsible for his actions.
706
00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:45,305
Bill and Hillary Clinton are
the penicillin-resistant syphilis
707
00:37:45,388 --> 00:37:47,432
-of the American body politic.
-[crowd laughing]
708
00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:51,186
-...everything you're doing.
-Thank you very much. You, too.
709
00:37:51,269 --> 00:37:52,312
-Hey, sir.
-How ya doing?
710
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:53,396
-Pleasure.
-Good to see you.
711
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,481
This is my daughter and my granddaughter.
712
00:37:57,317 --> 00:37:59,694
Hello. How are you?
713
00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,029
I'm excellent.
714
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:02,989
-Thanks for coming.
-Of course. Of course.
715
00:38:03,073 --> 00:38:04,490
I was going to point out that...
716
00:38:04,574 --> 00:38:06,534
[Danielle Stevens]
There's a side of him that they don't see.
717
00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:09,370
The side we get to see.
The family side, the loving side.
718
00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:14,625
That persona of the dirty trickster
is not what we see at home.
719
00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:17,045
-We do see the trickster. [laughs]
-[Stevens] Yeah.
720
00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:19,755
Hold up your lens up here
just a little higher.
721
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,800
Little higher. Little higher.
Little higher.
722
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:23,759
Yeah, that's it. Okay!
723
00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:28,681
[Nydia Stone] I was actually terrifiedof him the first time I met him.
724
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:31,351
I walked in his office,
and I told him later
725
00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:33,436
that he looked like a Nazi Hitler Youth.
726
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,106
Nydia taught me how to smile
and how to laugh.
727
00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:40,276
Uh, and she's made me a better person.
And I'm not complete without her.
728
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,113
[man] You're a Buddhist.
Do you think that you centered Roger?
729
00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:45,031
-Yes.
-[Stone] She certainly has tried.
730
00:38:45,531 --> 00:38:49,202
And I think, in some cases,
she has been effective in doing so.
731
00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:51,621
-[Nydia] Centered and censored.
-[chuckles]
732
00:38:51,704 --> 00:38:53,123
And sometimes I need both.
733
00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:56,667
And with Nydia, I got instant family.
734
00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,920
I got children. I got grandchildren.
735
00:38:59,004 --> 00:39:00,380
I got a mother-in-law.
736
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,590
All things that I didn't have
with my first wife.
737
00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:05,093
So I became a family man overnight.
738
00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:07,387
[crowd cheering]
739
00:39:08,138 --> 00:39:10,265
He is a political strategist,
740
00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:14,352
and he was just named the senior advisor
to the Dole presidential campaign.
741
00:39:14,435 --> 00:39:16,104
That should be an interesting job
in the next few months.
742
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,523
-Roger Stone!
-[crowd cheering]
743
00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:19,607
Roger...
744
00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:22,944
I think we've got this figured out.
We've got the slogan.
745
00:39:23,028 --> 00:39:24,404
"Bob Dole and Jack Kemp.
746
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,365
Together they offer the people
133 years of experience."
747
00:39:27,448 --> 00:39:29,075
[all laughing]
748
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,037
[crowd chanting] We want Bob! We want Bob!
749
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,329
[Dole] Thank you.
750
00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:38,001
I can't imagine Roger being less excited
to work with a presidential candidate
751
00:39:38,084 --> 00:39:39,460
than he was with Bob Dole.
752
00:39:39,544 --> 00:39:43,423
There are endless reasons to end
the failed presidency of Bill Clinton.
753
00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:48,053
But renewing the strength of America
by restoring our social and moral order
754
00:39:48,136 --> 00:39:51,014
has got to be somewhere
near the top of that list.
755
00:39:51,097 --> 00:39:54,642
The Dole-Kemp ticket was still
counting on the evangelical vote
756
00:39:54,725 --> 00:39:55,726
to defeat the Clintons.
757
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,896
In fact, if you look at
the numbers back then,
758
00:39:57,979 --> 00:40:00,648
there was no way they could win
unless they had that vote.
759
00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:02,108
There's no doubt about it
760
00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,278
that many American people have lost
their faith in government.
761
00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:09,490
They see scandals almost on a daily basis.
762
00:40:09,574 --> 00:40:12,744
They see ethical problemsin the White House today.
763
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:14,870
[man] Do you thinkthat's a legitimate issue?
764
00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:17,582
I do. I think the character
of the president of the United States--
765
00:40:17,665 --> 00:40:19,876
[man] Do you think this issue
of marital fidelity,
766
00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:22,295
which you keep blaming on the media,
is a legitimate issue?
767
00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,006
This is something the voters
are gonna wanna know about, yeah.
768
00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:26,382
[Carlson] Roger could have become
769
00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:29,260
much more successful
in conventional terms than he did.
770
00:40:29,344 --> 00:40:32,305
And the reason he didn't is
because he self-sabotaged.
771
00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:33,848
[reporter] There was once a time
772
00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:37,018
when political consultants were
unknown and unseen.
773
00:40:37,102 --> 00:40:38,103
No more.
774
00:40:40,355 --> 00:40:44,234
Some of the tabloids saya Republican strategist, Roger Stone,
775
00:40:44,317 --> 00:40:46,736
a partner in the prestigiousWashington lobbying firm
776
00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:48,446
of Davis, Manafort & Stone,
777
00:40:48,529 --> 00:40:51,074
has been advertising for sexin swinger magazines
778
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:52,784
along with his wife, Nydia.
779
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:56,162
He joins us from Washington.
780
00:40:56,246 --> 00:40:58,206
-Good to have you with us.
-[Stone] Surely.
781
00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:59,290
[reporter] Do I quote you correctly,
782
00:40:59,374 --> 00:41:01,667
that these ads were plantedby someone else out to get you?
783
00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:03,336
Yes, indeed, um...
784
00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:05,588
An exhaustive investigation now indicates
785
00:41:05,672 --> 00:41:09,717
that a domestic employee
who I discharged for substance abuse...
786
00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:13,554
on the second time that we learned
that he had a drug problem,
787
00:41:13,638 --> 00:41:15,265
is the perpetrator.
788
00:41:15,931 --> 00:41:19,394
I'm deeply troubledby this notion of paid sources
789
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:22,605
who can say anything
anonymously about you.
790
00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:25,608
Provide no photographs,
no proof, no documents.
791
00:41:25,691 --> 00:41:26,776
You know, it's very hard.
792
00:41:26,859 --> 00:41:30,238
My granddaughter, who's seven years old,
said to my wife on Sunday,
793
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:32,532
"Why are they doing this to you, Grandma?"
794
00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:34,367
It's a very hard question to answer.
795
00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:36,577
[reporter] All right,appreciate you joining us.
796
00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:38,454
-Thanks for being here.
-Glad to be here.
797
00:41:38,538 --> 00:41:42,250
Roger Stone's first impulse was to deny.
798
00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:44,335
In fact, if you look at Stone's Rules,
799
00:41:44,419 --> 00:41:47,338
one of the rules is
"deny, deny, deny, deny."
800
00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,340
And he began by following his own rules.
801
00:41:49,424 --> 00:41:52,593
'Cause it wasn't until much later that
he admitted that everything was true.
802
00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,013
The National Enquirer scandal,
803
00:41:55,096 --> 00:41:58,266
which I'm not interested
in rehashing at great length,
804
00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:01,894
uh, probably required
that I be even more of an outlaw.
805
00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:04,480
I never ran for public office.
806
00:42:04,564 --> 00:42:09,110
So how I conduct myself
in my private life is nobody's business.
807
00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:11,404
Did you hear about this?
This guy, Roger Stone,
808
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:14,240
top Republican advisor for Bob Dole,
809
00:42:14,324 --> 00:42:17,827
has now been accused
of going to sex clubs with his wife.
810
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:19,412
It's unbelievable, isn't it?
811
00:42:19,495 --> 00:42:23,999
On the other hand, this gives you an idea
how conservative the Dole campaign is.
812
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:27,253
This guy is in trouble
for having sex with his wife!
813
00:42:27,337 --> 00:42:29,922
That's how conservative those people are.
Having...
814
00:42:30,005 --> 00:42:31,466
[crowd applauding]
815
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,928
[Labash] I think something snapped in himwhen the swinger scandal happened,
816
00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:37,638
and he got chased out of Washington.
817
00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:41,767
And he just said, "Eff this.
What do I need this for anymore?"
818
00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:43,478
What the '96 scandal meant
819
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,731
is that Roger was never gonna be
the out-front political genius.
820
00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:49,650
The Karl Rove, the David Axelrod.
821
00:42:49,734 --> 00:42:52,612
He was always gonna have to operate
in the shadows.
822
00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:55,531
If it weren't for 1996
and all the trouble he had,
823
00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:59,034
maybe Roger wouldn't have
embraced the kind of, you know,
824
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,996
darker side of his capacity,
of his talents.
825
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,499
If there hadn't been
a sex scandal in 1996,
826
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,459
we might have had a President Al Gore.
827
00:43:12,757 --> 00:43:15,510
They always return
to the scene of the crime.
828
00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:19,514
[crowd chanting] We want Bush!
829
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:22,475
We want Bush! We want Bush!
830
00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:24,977
We want Gore! We want Gore!
831
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:29,524
This is where the recount of
the 2000 presidential contest took place.
832
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:31,359
This is where the recount ended.
833
00:43:31,442 --> 00:43:35,780
This is where George W. Bush became
president of the United States.
834
00:43:35,863 --> 00:43:37,865
[reporter 1] Good grief.Look at that. Eleven.
835
00:43:37,948 --> 00:43:39,950
[reporter 2] Eleven.That means automatic recount.
836
00:43:40,034 --> 00:43:41,827
[William Daley] There is one state leftto be decided,
837
00:43:41,911 --> 00:43:44,455
and we believewhen those votes are counted
838
00:43:44,539 --> 00:43:47,375
and that process is complete,totally complete,
839
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,295
Al Gore will have won
the Electoral College and the popular vote
840
00:43:50,378 --> 00:43:52,672
and, therefore, is...
will be the next president.
841
00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:56,426
[reporter] The hand recount in Floridawill continue, and the votes will count.
842
00:43:56,509 --> 00:43:59,845
That, according to a unanimous rulingfrom Florida Supreme Court last night.
843
00:43:59,929 --> 00:44:02,056
Vice President Al Gore praisedthe decision, saying,
844
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:05,100
"It allows for a full and accuratecounting of the ballots."
845
00:44:05,185 --> 00:44:07,937
This is a street fight
for the presidency of the United States.
846
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:11,982
I want our protestors down there
in Palm Beach, Tallahassee, and Miami.
847
00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:13,067
Call Roger Stone.
848
00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:16,111
[Stone] In 2000,my old friend Jim Baker called me
849
00:44:16,196 --> 00:44:20,491
and asked me to go to Miami-Dadeto work on the recount.
850
00:44:20,575 --> 00:44:24,119
I thought it was vitally important
that we matched the Democrats
851
00:44:24,204 --> 00:44:28,833
in terms of protesters who wanted an endto the 2000 presidential election.
852
00:44:28,916 --> 00:44:31,586
This country was born
on civil disobedience
853
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,880
and the will of the people standing up
against the powerful!
854
00:44:34,964 --> 00:44:37,342
There's nothing wrong
with Clinton getting his dick sucked
855
00:44:37,425 --> 00:44:39,260
in the middle of the Oval Office,
is there?
856
00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:40,928
This is where the trailer was set up
857
00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:44,307
to communicate with our operatives
inside the building.
858
00:44:45,015 --> 00:44:46,392
[woman] He's got a ballot!
859
00:44:47,101 --> 00:44:48,060
He stole a ballot!
860
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,813
[Stone] When some ofmy operatives reported
861
00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:52,232
that two democratic commissioners
862
00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:54,859
were attempting to takea sheaf of ballots,
863
00:44:54,942 --> 00:44:56,777
remove them from the counting room,
864
00:44:56,861 --> 00:45:00,698
which was being viewed by reporters
and lawyers for both sides,
865
00:45:00,781 --> 00:45:04,285
and take them to a small anteroom
without windows,
866
00:45:04,369 --> 00:45:08,205
this is what sparked
the so-called Brooks Brothers Riot.
867
00:45:08,289 --> 00:45:09,749
[clamoring]
868
00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:13,586
I said, "Flood the halland don't let them shut that door."
869
00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:16,005
[crowd chanting] Let us in!
Let us in!
870
00:45:16,088 --> 00:45:17,673
[Toobin] They started banging on the doors
871
00:45:17,757 --> 00:45:22,720
and were intimidating the peoplewho were counting the ballots to stop.
872
00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:24,764
And they did stop.
873
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:28,142
So Al Gore could not gain any votes.
874
00:45:29,352 --> 00:45:35,358
That was critical in making sure
that the results in Florida,
875
00:45:35,441 --> 00:45:38,528
certifying George Bush as the winner,
stood.
876
00:45:38,611 --> 00:45:40,530
[crowd chanting] Let us in!
Let us in!
877
00:45:40,613 --> 00:45:46,619
Most people, they want to underplay
anything they did wrong or improper.
878
00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:48,996
And with Roger,
what you have to worry about
879
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:54,294
is that he's lying to make himself worse
than he actually was.
880
00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:57,838
The history of the 2000 recount was
essentially written by Roger Stone,
881
00:45:57,922 --> 00:46:01,342
and he wrote himself in,
in a pretty big role.
882
00:46:01,426 --> 00:46:04,094
He was sitting next to Washingtonas they crossed the Delaware.
883
00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:06,639
He was with Eisenhower on D-Day.
884
00:46:06,722 --> 00:46:10,059
He was cradling Bobby Kennedyin the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel.
885
00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:13,771
[laughing] I mean, he really
sort of put himself there.
886
00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:15,147
I mean, Roger was there.
887
00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:17,232
But let me ask you,
888
00:46:17,317 --> 00:46:21,028
is it more brilliant and impressive
to influence world events
889
00:46:21,111 --> 00:46:24,156
or to stand on the periphery
of world events
890
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,493
and yet get recorded
as having influenced world events?
891
00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:28,536
Maybe the latter.
892
00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:31,622
Yeah, I think he played a role
in the Brooks Brothers Riot.
893
00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:33,333
I don't dispute that.
894
00:46:33,416 --> 00:46:35,292
But I'm the only one to approach
895
00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:39,755
what I think is the best story
I've ever done on Roger.
896
00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:44,218
I don't believe George W. Bush would haveever been president of the United States
897
00:46:44,302 --> 00:46:46,137
if it wasn't for Roger Stone.
898
00:46:48,473 --> 00:46:50,558
We're back now
at 9:40 Eastern Time.
899
00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:53,143
Ross Perot proves to be
a major factor here tonight.
900
00:46:53,227 --> 00:46:54,854
The Bush campaign headquarters in Houston,
901
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:58,358
they believe that Ross Perot may have
cost them the presidency.
902
00:46:58,441 --> 00:46:59,525
Thank you.
903
00:46:59,609 --> 00:47:05,573
[Barrett] When George H. W. Bush losesin 1992, we all know the reason he lost.
904
00:47:05,656 --> 00:47:08,075
It was the Reform Party and Ross Perot.
905
00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:12,162
[Stone] The Reform Party was drawinga disproportionate number of votes
906
00:47:12,246 --> 00:47:13,623
from the Republicans.
907
00:47:13,706 --> 00:47:17,334
Bill Clinton, the great politician,
he never got 50% in any election.
908
00:47:17,418 --> 00:47:20,004
No Ross Perot, no Bill Clinton.
909
00:47:20,087 --> 00:47:23,215
[Barrett] So when the son is runningin 2000,
910
00:47:23,298 --> 00:47:26,093
and the Reform Party is stillon the ballot
911
00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:28,554
in every state in the United States,
912
00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:30,681
then they're very concerned
913
00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:35,436
about who is going to wind up
the Reform Party candidate for president.
914
00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:40,566
Today, I am ending my lifelong membership
in the Republican Party
915
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:45,154
and I'm declaring my intention
to seek the nomination of the Reform Party
916
00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:47,990
for the presidency
of the United States of America.
917
00:47:48,073 --> 00:47:49,450
[crowd cheering]
918
00:47:49,534 --> 00:47:52,244
[Barrett] Roger Stone comes upwith the brilliant idea
919
00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:55,247
of getting Pat Buchananout of the Republican line
920
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:57,625
and to get him to run
for the Reform Party.
921
00:47:58,209 --> 00:48:00,753
[Stone] Yes, I... I encourage him to run,
922
00:48:01,253 --> 00:48:05,550
but I also, yeah, I have an interest in
the Reform Party imploding at that point.
923
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,928
[reporter] Just when Buchanan hopedto have the political stage to himself,
924
00:48:09,011 --> 00:48:10,012
he was trumped.
925
00:48:10,095 --> 00:48:12,222
Businessman Donald Trump announcing today,
926
00:48:12,306 --> 00:48:15,267
he too will switch from the GOPto the Reform Party
927
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:17,687
and may even seekits presidential nomination.
928
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:20,606
And if he does, he says,it will not be just a publicity stunt
929
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:23,859
for his empire of office buildings,casinos and hotels.
930
00:48:23,943 --> 00:48:26,987
He will run to win, he says,despite his reputation.
931
00:48:27,071 --> 00:48:29,073
When Donald Trump announces
that he's going to run,
932
00:48:29,156 --> 00:48:31,116
it completely throws
everything into chaos.
933
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,246
George, should the American people
take the Reform Party seriously?
934
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:37,456
Well, not if Donald Trump is their leader.
935
00:48:38,165 --> 00:48:41,544
[reporter] Donald Trump is being supportedby a fellow named Roger Stone,
936
00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:43,212
who is a longtime political activist
937
00:48:43,295 --> 00:48:46,048
who had worked for Richard Nixonand Ronald Reagan.
938
00:48:46,131 --> 00:48:49,301
It looks to me like Pat Buchanan
is going to get in the water,
939
00:48:49,384 --> 00:48:51,679
and a Trump-Buchanan race,
it'd be a great race.
940
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,348
It's unexpected.
No one sees it coming.
941
00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:55,683
And to make matters worse,
942
00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:58,268
Trump doesn't exactly runfor the nomination
943
00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:01,271
so much as he runs against Pat Buchanan.
944
00:49:01,355 --> 00:49:05,192
He's a Hitler lover.
I guess he's an anti-Semite.
945
00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:07,444
He doesn't like the blacks.
He doesn't like the gays.
946
00:49:07,528 --> 00:49:09,655
[reporter] What's wrong with Pat Buchanan?
947
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:11,949
Well, it's pretty obvious, isn't it?
948
00:49:12,032 --> 00:49:15,536
He's obviously in love
with Adolf Hitler in some form,
949
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:18,498
and I don't think
the Reform Party should be taking losers.
950
00:49:18,581 --> 00:49:19,832
Have a good time.
951
00:49:19,915 --> 00:49:24,795
Bear in mind that the arch-strategist
of the Trump campaign is Roger Stone.
952
00:49:24,879 --> 00:49:28,966
Do you think that Roger is up to something
here that deserves closer inspection?
953
00:49:29,049 --> 00:49:30,593
Well, Roger's always been a little arch.
954
00:49:30,676 --> 00:49:32,637
Uh, I don't know
that he's the arch-strategist.
955
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,016
Do you think that Trump is just
a stalking horse for, say, George Bush?
956
00:49:38,392 --> 00:49:41,937
[Timothy Stanley] Stone goes overnightfrom backing Buchanan to backing Trump,
957
00:49:42,021 --> 00:49:46,025
it's very hard not to concludethat Stone had intended all along
958
00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:47,985
to undermine Buchanan's candidacy
959
00:49:48,068 --> 00:49:51,405
in order to make the Reform nomination
completely untenable,
960
00:49:51,488 --> 00:49:54,241
and thus give Bush
a clearer shot at the presidency.
961
00:49:54,324 --> 00:49:57,202
Political observers this morning
are still wondering
962
00:49:57,286 --> 00:50:01,040
what Donald Trump really wants.
Is he running for president,
963
00:50:01,123 --> 00:50:03,626
or just getting his name
and face on television?
964
00:50:04,334 --> 00:50:08,338
[Barrett] He was in the game enoughto get a tease to the national news media,
965
00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:09,715
and then out of the game.
966
00:50:09,799 --> 00:50:11,717
I'm ashamed of this party!
967
00:50:11,801 --> 00:50:12,885
[reporter] Political pros say
968
00:50:12,968 --> 00:50:15,054
that to have any impacton the race for the White House,
969
00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:17,932
the Reform Party will have to shedits image as a circus.
970
00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:20,518
[man] We will not have mob rulein this party.
971
00:50:20,601 --> 00:50:22,687
[Barrett] Now, what Roger freely admittedto me,
972
00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:25,105
is that he had known since the Nixon days
973
00:50:25,189 --> 00:50:28,108
that Pat Buchanan hadan illegitimate child.
974
00:50:28,192 --> 00:50:31,070
Nominating somebody for the president
of the United States
975
00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:34,824
whose name will appear on the ballotin all 50 states,
976
00:50:34,907 --> 00:50:38,619
who you are blackmailing at the same timeso that he won't really run.
977
00:50:38,703 --> 00:50:40,746
That's not just a dirty trick.
978
00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:43,248
That's a transformation of democracy.
979
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,420
[Stone] The allegationthat I spread the rumor
980
00:50:48,503 --> 00:50:50,840
that Pat Buchanan had
an illegitimate child,
981
00:50:50,923 --> 00:50:52,549
this all comes from Wayne Barrett.
982
00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:55,177
Wayne Barrett is full of shit.
It's false.
983
00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:58,388
[Stanley] Pat Buchanan got lessthan half a percent of the vote.
984
00:50:58,472 --> 00:51:00,474
That was humiliating.
985
00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:03,560
Humiliating for him, for the Reform Party,
986
00:51:03,644 --> 00:51:09,650
and arguably it put the entire third party
campaign effort back by decades.
987
00:51:11,944 --> 00:51:16,115
After the Reform Party cost
the Republicans the White House in '92,
988
00:51:16,198 --> 00:51:17,867
again in '96...
989
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:23,956
Yeah, I may have played some role
in derailing them as a party.
990
00:51:27,167 --> 00:51:30,212
Roger Stone knows
how to do the triple bank shot.
991
00:51:30,295 --> 00:51:32,172
The one that nobody else can do.
992
00:51:32,256 --> 00:51:35,050
And it ends up changing
the face of a campaign.
993
00:51:35,134 --> 00:51:37,386
Changing the whole tenor of a debate.
994
00:51:38,012 --> 00:51:39,680
Shifting the entire paradigm.
995
00:51:39,764 --> 00:51:42,266
People today say
that they like doing dirty tricks.
996
00:51:42,349 --> 00:51:43,934
They're pikers compared to Roger.
997
00:51:44,018 --> 00:51:46,979
Roger has raised it
to an absolute art form.
998
00:51:48,147 --> 00:51:49,940
[indistinct chatter]
999
00:51:52,818 --> 00:51:57,572
Sometimes you confuse me
with the Stephen Colbert character
1000
00:51:57,657 --> 00:52:00,660
that I sometimes play called Roger Stone.
1001
00:52:00,743 --> 00:52:03,954
Don't... don't confuse him
with the real Roger Stone.
1002
00:52:04,747 --> 00:52:07,916
-[man] What's the difference?
-You'll have to sort that out.
1003
00:52:08,876 --> 00:52:10,836
[Steve Malzberg]
Joining me now, Roger Stone,
1004
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,548
political consultant and strategist.And great to see you.
1005
00:52:14,631 --> 00:52:17,760
There is a Hillary-Nixon connection
that's very historic and important.
1006
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:22,514
In 1964, Hillary Clinton was fired
from the House Nixon Impeachment Committee
1007
00:52:22,597 --> 00:52:24,558
for leaking and lying.
1008
00:52:24,641 --> 00:52:27,477
Now, she held this grudge for 40 years.
1009
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:31,315
Hillary repeatedly blocking Nixon
from meeting with Clinton.
1010
00:52:31,398 --> 00:52:33,525
Finally, Clinton overrules her.
1011
00:52:33,608 --> 00:52:35,861
Nixon and Clinton meet,
and they hit it off.
1012
00:52:35,945 --> 00:52:37,321
And Nixon met Hillary.
1013
00:52:37,404 --> 00:52:38,948
I said, "Mr. President,
what did you think?"
1014
00:52:39,031 --> 00:52:41,867
-He said, "She's cold. Cold as ice."
-[chuckles]
1015
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,453
[man] You're doing a documentary?
1016
00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:46,288
Yes, this gentleman's doing a documentary.
1017
00:52:46,371 --> 00:52:49,541
He's one of those dangerous
liberal, pinko, left-wing...
1018
00:52:49,624 --> 00:52:50,918
I hate people like you.
1019
00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:53,670
...homosexual, New York Times commies,
but he's not a bad guy.
1020
00:52:53,754 --> 00:52:55,130
I know who they are.
1021
00:52:55,214 --> 00:52:58,801
Part of the reason
we've always paid attention to Roger,
1022
00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:01,261
is he just looks differentfrom everyone else.
1023
00:53:01,345 --> 00:53:04,890
You know, here we havea bodybuilding dandy.
1024
00:53:04,974 --> 00:53:07,392
A category, as far as I'm concerned,
of one.
1025
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,734
[announcer] Ladies and gentlemen,
the Prince of Darkness, Roger J. Stone.
1026
00:53:14,817 --> 00:53:18,237
I am no longer a Republican.
I joined the Libertarian Party.
1027
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,283
[Toobin] I do think he is really alienatedfrom the contemporary Republican Party.
1028
00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:27,662
He is, I think, spiritually,and now politically, a libertarian.
1029
00:53:27,747 --> 00:53:29,999
From the time
that I was a Young Republican,
1030
00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:31,876
I always had a libertarian streak.
1031
00:53:31,959 --> 00:53:37,214
I have always been pro-choice,
pro-gay marriage, pro-marijuana.
1032
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:39,049
As a Libertarian-Republican,
1033
00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:41,551
I've always believedin gay marriage equality.
1034
00:53:41,635 --> 00:53:47,224
It's a civil right that equal access
is guaranteed by the Constitution.
1035
00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:50,519
So, uh, I'm goingto the Gay Pride parade today.
1036
00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:52,897
[crowd cheering]
1037
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:58,778
[woman] Let's welcome
the Log Cabin Republicans!
1038
00:53:58,861 --> 00:53:59,987
[cheering]
1039
00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:06,701
The Log Cabin Republicans is the nation's
only organization of Republicans
1040
00:54:06,786 --> 00:54:12,249
who support fairness, freedom and equality
for gay and lesbian Americans.
1041
00:54:15,169 --> 00:54:16,253
[booing]
1042
00:54:17,838 --> 00:54:20,758
He may have,
as a result of his personal life,
1043
00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:24,845
some authentic beliefs
at the age of 60 or 61.
1044
00:54:24,929 --> 00:54:29,558
I think he's internalized
some of the gay rights agenda.
1045
00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:33,728
I think he's internalized
some of the pro-drug agenda.
1046
00:54:35,647 --> 00:54:39,401
After the scandal devours him in 1996...
1047
00:54:39,484 --> 00:54:41,028
Since he's been rejected
1048
00:54:41,111 --> 00:54:45,032
and essentially thrown outof mainstream Republican politics,
1049
00:54:45,115 --> 00:54:50,955
he doesn't really have any choicebut to figure out some third-party avenue.
1050
00:54:51,038 --> 00:54:55,500
And so he's looking for a reprise of 2000.
1051
00:54:55,584 --> 00:55:00,339
He's looking to see if he can find
an angle where he can matter.
1052
00:55:04,051 --> 00:55:08,097
I've stayed away from Roger, personally,
because he's so charming,
1053
00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:10,515
and you can see the ways
in which he distorts the reporters
1054
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:11,892
who are around that charm.
1055
00:55:11,976 --> 00:55:15,645
At the same time, there's no way
to avoid writing about him,
1056
00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:19,733
since he's been everywhere dark and uglyin our politics for many, many years.
1057
00:55:20,234 --> 00:55:23,237
In 2004, he's blamedfor forging the documents
1058
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,199
that destroyed Dan Rather's careerand also helped re-elect President Bush.
1059
00:55:27,282 --> 00:55:28,367
[Terry McAuliffe] Roger Stone,
1060
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:30,327
an old dirty tricksterfrom the Nixon days,
1061
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:32,955
may have been involved in the productionof these documents.
1062
00:55:33,038 --> 00:55:35,374
Look, politics is
a rough-and-tumble business,
1063
00:55:35,457 --> 00:55:36,833
but this is just a cheap shot.
1064
00:55:36,917 --> 00:55:38,002
[applause]
1065
00:55:38,085 --> 00:55:41,380
[Siegel] That same year, Stone consultedfor Al Sharpton's presidential run
1066
00:55:41,463 --> 00:55:44,216
that helped disruptthe Democratic primary process.
1067
00:55:44,299 --> 00:55:48,262
What Stone is in this for,
is to use Sharpton as a disruptive force.
1068
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:51,682
Some out there
who follow presidential politics
1069
00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:53,517
ascribe to you magical powers,
1070
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,228
consider you the puppet master
of the Sharpton campaign.
1071
00:55:56,311 --> 00:55:58,522
Look, Roger's always been an outlaw
1072
00:55:58,605 --> 00:56:02,943
and drawn to like-minded outlaws,
like Sharpton, like Trump.
1073
00:56:03,027 --> 00:56:06,113
I don't think that's changed at all.
What's changed is the country.
1074
00:56:06,696 --> 00:56:09,824
[Siegel] A few years later, he took creditfor bringing down his nemesis,
1075
00:56:09,909 --> 00:56:11,618
New York governor Eliot Spitzer.
1076
00:56:11,701 --> 00:56:15,080
I am deeply sorry that I did not live up
to what was expected of me.
1077
00:56:15,164 --> 00:56:17,416
I am resigning
from the office of governor.
1078
00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:21,587
[Siegel] He says he got a tipfrom a hooker in a sex club.
1079
00:56:21,962 --> 00:56:24,548
You had heard that the governor
liked to wear his socks
1080
00:56:24,631 --> 00:56:26,633
when he engaged in sexual activities?
1081
00:56:26,716 --> 00:56:30,054
I ask you, Dominic, what kind of guy
does it with his socks on?
1082
00:56:30,137 --> 00:56:31,763
Sounds like Eliot Spitzer to me.
1083
00:56:31,846 --> 00:56:35,100
[Toobin] Roger understandsthe dark heart of the media
1084
00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:38,520
even better than we understand ourselves
sometimes.
1085
00:56:38,604 --> 00:56:41,315
Because if he tells us
1086
00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:44,484
that Eliot Spitzer was wearing black sockswhen he had sex,
1087
00:56:44,568 --> 00:56:47,362
he knew that that would be irresistible,
1088
00:56:47,446 --> 00:56:51,325
even if it had absolutely nothing
to do with the truth at all.
1089
00:56:51,825 --> 00:56:53,285
[man] What do you say to people who say,
1090
00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:57,497
"It's awfully convenient
that you happened to meet a prostitute
1091
00:56:57,581 --> 00:57:01,210
who was involved with Eliot Spitzer,
given your animus toward Eliot Spitzer"?
1092
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:03,462
Uh, there are skeptics everywhere.
1093
00:57:04,879 --> 00:57:07,132
Stone's so desperate to stay
in the public eye,
1094
00:57:07,216 --> 00:57:09,343
that he peddles
garbage conspiracy theories.
1095
00:57:09,426 --> 00:57:12,179
Like the supposed tapeof Michelle Obama saying "whitey."
1096
00:57:12,262 --> 00:57:15,474
Roger, you can't just say that
and say you have no proof for it
1097
00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:16,934
and make a comment like that.
1098
00:57:17,017 --> 00:57:18,727
No, no, no. Let me finish.
1099
00:57:18,810 --> 00:57:21,271
[Siegel] And worse,the now infamous "birther" lie
1100
00:57:21,355 --> 00:57:23,983
that President Barack Obama isa secret Muslim
1101
00:57:24,066 --> 00:57:26,860
and a Manchurian presidentwho wasn't really born in America.
1102
00:57:26,944 --> 00:57:29,947
[reporter] Donald Trump's one of the lastpeople that was still touting that,
1103
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:32,907
because Roger Stone and he
were conspiring one day
1104
00:57:32,992 --> 00:57:35,535
and Roger giggled
and rubbed his hands together and said,
1105
00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:38,080
"I can get the real birth certificate
from Kenya."
1106
00:57:38,163 --> 00:57:39,914
And Trump, you know, went and believed it.
1107
00:57:39,999 --> 00:57:42,626
If he wasn't born in this country,
1108
00:57:42,709 --> 00:57:44,794
-it's one of the great scams of all time.
-[Bill O'Reilly] Absolutely.
1109
00:57:44,878 --> 00:57:47,131
-But I don't think that's the case.
-Well, you don't...
1110
00:57:47,756 --> 00:57:50,008
There's something on that
birth certificate that he doesn't like.
1111
00:57:50,092 --> 00:57:51,093
[Whoopi Goldberg] Oh, my God!
1112
00:57:51,176 --> 00:57:53,637
-That's a terrible thing to say!
-[all arguing]
1113
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,849
Have you ever heard of any white president
asked to be shown their birth certificate?
1114
00:57:57,933 --> 00:58:01,353
When you become a president
of the United States of America,
1115
00:58:01,436 --> 00:58:03,563
you know that he is American.
1116
00:58:03,647 --> 00:58:05,440
I'm sorry, that's BS.
1117
00:58:05,524 --> 00:58:10,195
Why is Donald Trump so happy
to throw himself into the "birther" pool?
1118
00:58:10,279 --> 00:58:14,533
Longtime Trump casino lobbyist
and GOP advisor Roger Stone told Politico
1119
00:58:14,616 --> 00:58:18,870
"Personally, I think it is brilliant.It's base building.
1120
00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:23,375
It gives voice to a concernshared by many on the right."
1121
00:58:23,458 --> 00:58:26,503
Is there such a thing as coded appeals
to racist sentiment?
1122
00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:29,673
-There is such a thing.
-[Stone] Of course, but I see none here.
1123
00:58:29,756 --> 00:58:30,924
Okay, as far as you're concerned.
1124
00:58:31,008 --> 00:58:33,010
The whole "birther" movement,
1125
00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:38,432
which was so crazy
and so wrong and so racist,
1126
00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:42,811
that is the basis
of Trump's political appeal.
1127
00:58:47,566 --> 00:58:49,193
[crowd cheering]
1128
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:52,529
[Trump] Ladies and gentlemen,
1129
00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:55,198
I am officially running...
1130
00:58:55,282 --> 00:58:56,783
[crowd cheering]
1131
00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:00,412
...for president of the United States,
1132
00:59:00,495 --> 00:59:05,167
and we are going to makeour country great again.
1133
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:07,252
What's your precise role
with Donald Trump?
1134
00:59:07,335 --> 00:59:09,004
-Are you a paid advisor?
-Uh... I am now.
1135
00:59:09,088 --> 00:59:13,592
I'm just helping as a general
communications strategist, I guess.
1136
00:59:13,675 --> 00:59:16,470
People get the impression that this is
performance art for Donald Trump.
1137
00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:19,514
Is he serious about being
president of the United States?
1138
00:59:19,598 --> 00:59:24,103
I will build a great, great wall
on our southern border,
1139
00:59:24,186 --> 00:59:27,021
and I will have Mexico pay for that wall.
1140
00:59:27,106 --> 00:59:28,107
-[woman] Yes!
-Mark my words.
1141
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:29,358
Is this a president talking?
1142
00:59:29,441 --> 00:59:30,692
If there is one murder,
1143
00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:34,613
if there is one crime by someone
who is not supposed to be in the country,
1144
00:59:34,696 --> 00:59:35,989
that's one crime too many.
1145
00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:40,577
I think Trump has identified
a legitimate hot-button issue.
1146
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:44,831
"Donald J. Trump is calling
for a total and complete shutdown
1147
00:59:44,914 --> 00:59:47,876
of Muslims entering the United States
1148
00:59:47,959 --> 00:59:54,883
until our country's representatives
can figure out what the hell is going on."
1149
00:59:56,676 --> 00:59:58,678
[Mayer] Roger Stone came to powerwith Nixon.
1150
00:59:58,762 --> 01:00:01,140
And Nixon, of course,
had the Southern strategy,
1151
01:00:01,223 --> 01:00:04,851
which was all about milkingpeople's racial resentments,
1152
01:00:04,934 --> 01:00:07,562
and in the case of Trump,anti-immigrant resentments.
1153
01:00:08,146 --> 01:00:11,233
Working up hate that would turn them
against the government
1154
01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:14,194
and against the so-called elites
who were in government.
1155
01:00:14,278 --> 01:00:17,197
The political system is a cesspool.
1156
01:00:17,281 --> 01:00:18,240
I've been a lobbyist.
1157
01:00:18,323 --> 01:00:21,034
I worked on the Senate side.I worked on the House side.
1158
01:00:21,118 --> 01:00:22,661
I saw how the sausage are made.
1159
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:24,830
The whole process is deeply corrupt.
1160
01:00:25,705 --> 01:00:27,624
Trump is the only onewho can clean it up.
1161
01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,543
[crowd chanting] Trump! Trump! Trump!
1162
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:33,172
Trump! Trump! Trump!
1163
01:00:33,255 --> 01:00:37,592
We are going to Washington, DC,
1164
01:00:37,676 --> 01:00:40,929
and we are going to do what?
1165
01:00:41,012 --> 01:00:43,723
Drain the swamp.
1166
01:00:43,807 --> 01:00:45,184
[crowd cheering]
1167
01:00:45,267 --> 01:00:46,768
It is so corrupt.
1168
01:00:46,851 --> 01:00:50,647
The best part is that he's just kicking
the political establishment in the balls.
1169
01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:54,984
They are shitting a brick,
because he's challenging the status quo.
1170
01:00:55,068 --> 01:00:57,696
All these other candidates are really
for the status quo.
1171
01:00:57,779 --> 01:01:03,160
Roger's the ultimate insider,
which makes him incredibly good at seeing
1172
01:01:03,243 --> 01:01:06,538
how to package someone
he could sell as an outsider.
1173
01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:10,124
We are going to stand up
for the American worker
1174
01:01:10,209 --> 01:01:14,588
like nobody has ever stood up
for that worker before.
1175
01:01:15,464 --> 01:01:19,050
There is real upset over jobs,
over globalization,
1176
01:01:19,133 --> 01:01:23,638
over people losing their sort of statusand their incomes.
1177
01:01:23,722 --> 01:01:26,766
You know, there are all kinds of answers
to these questions,
1178
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,769
but the answers that he's provided,
for the most part,
1179
01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,564
are the answers
that billionaires are interested in.
1180
01:01:32,647 --> 01:01:37,944
We're also going to eliminate
job-killing regulations.
1181
01:01:38,862 --> 01:01:43,783
And lift the restrictions
on the production of American energy,
1182
01:01:43,867 --> 01:01:50,290
including shale, oil, natural gas
and beautiful, clean coal.
1183
01:01:50,374 --> 01:01:53,210
There's no grassroots movement
1184
01:01:53,293 --> 01:01:57,506
to gut the EPA
and give people dirty water and dirty air.
1185
01:01:57,589 --> 01:02:01,926
The only people who are really caring
about that are the polluting industries.
1186
01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:04,888
They say I have the most loyal people.
Did you ever see that?
1187
01:02:04,971 --> 01:02:06,765
Where I could stand
in the middle of Fifth Avenue
1188
01:02:06,848 --> 01:02:09,601
and shoot somebody,
and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay?
1189
01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:11,353
-It's, like, incredible.
-[crowd laughing]
1190
01:02:11,436 --> 01:02:14,606
Roger understands
that I've always gotten great ratings,
1191
01:02:14,689 --> 01:02:18,360
whether it's on The Apprentice
or virtually any interview,
1192
01:02:18,443 --> 01:02:19,986
and that's why people want
to interview me.
1193
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:23,031
And I think that's one of the things
that's always fascinated Roger,
1194
01:02:23,114 --> 01:02:26,410
because, ultimately,
it is all about the ratings
1195
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:29,078
and it is all about people watching
and the eyeballs.
1196
01:02:29,162 --> 01:02:33,207
Mr. Trump, you've called women
you don't like "fat pigs,"
1197
01:02:33,292 --> 01:02:37,504
"dogs," "slobs," and "disgusting animals."
1198
01:02:37,587 --> 01:02:40,214
-Your Twitter account--
-Only Rosie O'Donnell.
1199
01:02:40,299 --> 01:02:41,425
[crowd laughing]
1200
01:02:41,508 --> 01:02:44,303
Unlike every other candidate
I have ever worked with,
1201
01:02:44,386 --> 01:02:48,139
he is unscripted, he is unrehearsed,
he is unhandled.
1202
01:02:48,222 --> 01:02:51,726
Contrast that with Jeb Bush,
who looks both bored and annoyed,
1203
01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:56,147
like, "Just... This is mine.
Just anoint me and give it to me.
1204
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:59,067
Father, Father, tell them
it's my turn to be king."
1205
01:02:59,150 --> 01:03:00,610
[interviewer] Roger, before you go,
1206
01:03:00,694 --> 01:03:03,780
uh, will you remain with the Donald
now throughout the campaign?
1207
01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:06,157
I'll do whatever the Donald asks me to do.
1208
01:03:07,492 --> 01:03:08,993
[reporter] Good evening.It's been 48 hours
1209
01:03:09,077 --> 01:03:11,162
since the first
Republican presidential debate,
1210
01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:14,791
and a testy exchange between Donald Trump
and moderator Megyn Kelly
1211
01:03:14,874 --> 01:03:16,626
has become a flash point in the campaign.
1212
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:20,004
[Trump] You know, you could see there wasblood coming out of her eyes, uh,
1213
01:03:20,088 --> 01:03:22,674
blood coming out of her wherever.
1214
01:03:22,757 --> 01:03:26,177
Now members of the Republican field
are lining up to criticize him.
1215
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:29,681
And word this evening that an advisor
and a longtime friend of Trump's
1216
01:03:29,764 --> 01:03:31,475
has resigned from the campaign.
1217
01:03:31,558 --> 01:03:33,393
Trump says he fired him.
1218
01:03:33,477 --> 01:03:34,811
[Trump] Roger Stone's a nice guy,
1219
01:03:34,894 --> 01:03:37,772
but I let him gobecause I really wasn't using him,
1220
01:03:37,856 --> 01:03:41,735
and he liked to get a lot of publicityfor himself, which I didn't want.
1221
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:44,070
He's real, he's genuine,
and it's entertaining.
1222
01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:45,655
That's why he's doing so well.
1223
01:03:46,323 --> 01:03:49,784
-So why'd he fire you?
-He didn't. I quit.
1224
01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:52,203
"Oh, you can't fire me. I quit!"
1225
01:03:52,286 --> 01:03:53,913
[all laughing]
1226
01:03:53,997 --> 01:03:56,958
[Labash] Did he get fired or did he quit?I don't know.
1227
01:03:57,041 --> 01:03:59,002
He still hasn't admitted to me
that he got fired,
1228
01:03:59,085 --> 01:04:00,962
and I've tried numerous times.
1229
01:04:01,045 --> 01:04:02,547
"Bullshit, you got fired. Come on."
1230
01:04:02,631 --> 01:04:03,632
"No, no, no!"
1231
01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:06,593
Because Roger, you know,
Roger the feminist, was really offended
1232
01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:09,303
about what Trump said about Megyn Kelly.
1233
01:04:10,179 --> 01:04:11,931
[Stone] I don't need the Trump campaign
1234
01:04:12,015 --> 01:04:14,058
to generate press coverage for myself,
1235
01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:17,061
and I can get in the tabloidsany time I want.
1236
01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,856
But to say that you want me
to work on your campaign,
1237
01:04:19,939 --> 01:04:21,941
but you don't want me
to talk to reporters
1238
01:04:22,025 --> 01:04:23,777
would be like saying to me,
1239
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:26,571
"I just don't want you to breathe air
between now and November.
1240
01:04:26,655 --> 01:04:28,948
If you could just agree
not to breathe any air
1241
01:04:29,032 --> 01:04:31,242
or eat any food,
everything will be fine."
1242
01:04:31,325 --> 01:04:35,121
Talking to reporters is what I do.
That's my value.
1243
01:04:35,204 --> 01:04:37,874
Roger Stone and I don't agree on anything.
[stammers] I don't...
1244
01:04:37,957 --> 01:04:40,752
-He does not represent the Trump campaign.
-Not what he says.
1245
01:04:40,835 --> 01:04:42,671
What Roger Stone says
and what the truth are
1246
01:04:42,754 --> 01:04:44,548
are two factually very different things.
1247
01:04:44,631 --> 01:04:47,551
[Michael Caputo] There's no questionLewandowski worked behind the scenes
1248
01:04:47,634 --> 01:04:49,553
to get Roger thrown out of the campaign.
1249
01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:52,013
He is an expert
at stabbing people in the back.
1250
01:04:52,096 --> 01:04:55,266
That guy's got an incredible capacity
for treachery.
1251
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:58,562
By the way, I spoke
to a Polish language expert the other day.
1252
01:04:58,645 --> 01:05:02,857
I was unaware of the fact
that Lewandowski, loosely translated,
1253
01:05:02,941 --> 01:05:04,317
means "cocksucker."
1254
01:05:04,984 --> 01:05:09,739
Well, Roger is a tough guy,
and Roger will make enemies sometimes
1255
01:05:09,823 --> 01:05:12,409
that I always say,
there's no reason for it.
1256
01:05:13,034 --> 01:05:14,202
[Toobin] Roger is older now,
1257
01:05:14,285 --> 01:05:18,998
and I think he sees the Trump campaign,
1258
01:05:19,082 --> 01:05:22,419
at once as his creation,
1259
01:05:22,502 --> 01:05:28,675
but also something that he's not allowed
to participate in day to day.
1260
01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:32,512
And that, understandably, makes him sad.
1261
01:05:32,596 --> 01:05:34,388
[Stone] I have no interest in going back.
1262
01:05:34,473 --> 01:05:37,892
Although I strongly support Trump,we have managerial differences.
1263
01:05:37,976 --> 01:05:41,563
And, meanwhile, I'm just making the very
best case for him in public that I can,
1264
01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:44,398
'cause I do think he has what it takes.
1265
01:05:44,483 --> 01:05:48,194
There's always this tension
between the candidate and his consultant.
1266
01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:52,156
The candidate resents the credit
the consultant gets for his words.
1267
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,785
The consultant resents, you know,the fame and fortune the candidate gets
1268
01:05:55,869 --> 01:05:57,328
when he did all the work.
1269
01:05:57,411 --> 01:06:00,457
And Trump hated the factthat Stone was showing up on cable news
1270
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:03,126
and that people were, you know,calling him Trump's brain.
1271
01:06:03,209 --> 01:06:04,210
So he fired him.
1272
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:06,254
But it doesn't mean
he stopped relying on him.
1273
01:06:06,337 --> 01:06:08,465
It seems to me
there is more than meets the eye here
1274
01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:11,092
with Roger Stone parting company
from the Trump campaign,
1275
01:06:11,175 --> 01:06:14,638
coming on my program and others
and giving the big Trump pitch.
1276
01:06:14,721 --> 01:06:17,306
-You media types are so conspiratorial.
-[laughs]
1277
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:20,727
No. No, the Stone-Trump types,
I think, are the conspiratorial.
1278
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:21,936
Unlike...
1279
01:06:24,523 --> 01:06:29,068
Only two campaigns have a plausible path
to the nomination.
1280
01:06:29,152 --> 01:06:31,362
Ours and Donald Trump's.
1281
01:06:32,071 --> 01:06:36,785
Nobody else has
any mathematical possibility, whatsoever.
1282
01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:41,289
L-Y-I-N-apostrophe, lyin' Ted!
1283
01:06:41,372 --> 01:06:45,293
The Bible held high,
he puts it down and then he lies.
1284
01:06:45,376 --> 01:06:49,380
Most of the time,
I win the evangelical vote.
1285
01:06:49,463 --> 01:06:53,760
The evangelicals,
the Christians, like Donald Trump.
1286
01:06:53,843 --> 01:06:55,261
I'm a straight shooter.
1287
01:06:55,344 --> 01:06:58,515
[reporter] After a crushing13-point defeat in Wisconsin,
1288
01:06:58,598 --> 01:06:59,808
Trump turned a page,
1289
01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:02,727
sidelining campaign managerCorey Lewandowski.
1290
01:07:02,811 --> 01:07:05,146
[Trump] He wasn't as effectivefor the last couple of months.
1291
01:07:05,229 --> 01:07:07,774
[reporter] News breakingthat the GOP front-runner, by the way,
1292
01:07:07,857 --> 01:07:12,195
has hired Paul Manafortto lead his campaign's convention efforts.
1293
01:07:12,278 --> 01:07:16,699
Paul Manafort, former partner of mine,
the single best vote counter
1294
01:07:16,783 --> 01:07:19,953
and convention strategist
in the Republican Party.
1295
01:07:20,036 --> 01:07:23,331
When Paul Manafort got publicly named,
I got a phone call that day.
1296
01:07:23,414 --> 01:07:25,416
And it was Roger
on the other end of the line.
1297
01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:28,878
And you know what he sang?
"Back in the Saddle Again."
1298
01:07:28,962 --> 01:07:30,839
I mean, Roger knows what Roger's doing.
1299
01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:33,466
[Manafort] Trump asked me to get involved
1300
01:07:33,550 --> 01:07:36,427
because my reputation,among other things in politics,
1301
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,848
is understanding of the convention
process, the delegate process.
1302
01:07:39,931 --> 01:07:42,726
And most of the major
successful big conventions
1303
01:07:42,809 --> 01:07:45,812
over the last 30 years,
I've been intimately involved in.
1304
01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:47,772
[man] Did Roger recommend you
for the job?
1305
01:07:47,856 --> 01:07:51,025
Roger was one of the two or three people
who strongly recommended me, yes.
1306
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:55,614
Even after Roger stopped being
the principal political advisor to Trump,
1307
01:07:55,697 --> 01:07:57,657
he continued to be
a very important advisor,
1308
01:07:57,740 --> 01:07:58,658
and is to this day.
1309
01:08:02,411 --> 01:08:03,788
[interviewer] I want to startwith Roger Stone,
1310
01:08:03,872 --> 01:08:07,250
because you just launcheda pro-Trump super PAC.
1311
01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:09,753
I thought, A, Donald Trump
didn't like super PACs,
1312
01:08:09,836 --> 01:08:12,046
B, I thought you quit or he fired you.
1313
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:15,717
I'm not still sure what happened there.
So what the heck is this all about, Roger?
1314
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,553
Roger told me when I was very young,
"Caputo," he says, [chuckles]
1315
01:08:19,638 --> 01:08:21,180
"The media is two things.
1316
01:08:21,264 --> 01:08:24,809
They're either evil or they're lazy,
or they're both.
1317
01:08:24,893 --> 01:08:27,687
And if you understand that,
you can do whatever you want."
1318
01:08:33,151 --> 01:08:37,280
Yeah, I live a pretty Machiavellian life,
and I'm a skeptic.
1319
01:08:37,363 --> 01:08:41,701
I tend to believe the worst of people
because I understand human nature.
1320
01:08:41,785 --> 01:08:44,245
Human nature has never changed.
1321
01:08:44,328 --> 01:08:46,497
That's why one of Stone's Rules
is that hate
1322
01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:48,708
is a stronger motivator than love.
1323
01:08:48,792 --> 01:08:50,334
That's because it is.
1324
01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:52,921
[Ted Cruz] The National Enquirer
published a story.
1325
01:08:53,004 --> 01:08:57,634
It is a story that quoted one source
on the record, Roger Stone.
1326
01:08:57,717 --> 01:09:01,137
Let me be clear.This National Enquirer story is garbage.
1327
01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:04,766
And it is a smear that has come
from Donald Trump and his henchmen.
1328
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:08,937
[Stone] One of the keys to defeatingan opponent is getting inside their head.
1329
01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:12,565
He incorrectly claims
that I am the source of this story
1330
01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:16,485
regarding allegations
that he has been adulterous.
1331
01:09:16,569 --> 01:09:18,822
[Cruz] And I would notethat Mr. Stone is a man
1332
01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:21,700
who has 50 years
of dirty tricks behind him.
1333
01:09:21,783 --> 01:09:25,704
He's a man for whom a term was coined...
1334
01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:28,790
for copulating with a rodent.
1335
01:09:28,873 --> 01:09:32,001
I, of course, am quoted in this story,
on the record,
1336
01:09:32,085 --> 01:09:36,214
saying that it would hurt him badly
with his evangelical followers.
1337
01:09:36,297 --> 01:09:40,885
He has, as you know, attacked me on CNN...
1338
01:09:40,969 --> 01:09:44,388
Roger Stone has been
Donald Trump's chief political advisor.
1339
01:09:44,472 --> 01:09:47,391
He planned and ran
his presidential campaign.
1340
01:09:47,475 --> 01:09:49,602
...attacked me on Megyn Kelly.
1341
01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:54,983
His entire business has been dirty tricks,
has been lies, has been personal smears.
1342
01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:58,903
These attacks on me by him
and by his surrogates,
1343
01:09:58,987 --> 01:10:00,864
I find this most satisfying.
1344
01:10:00,947 --> 01:10:05,451
I hope he's laying awake at night,
worrying about what I'm going to do next.
1345
01:10:06,035 --> 01:10:08,246
[Mayer] He's a little bit like the Jokerin Batman.
1346
01:10:08,329 --> 01:10:10,664
I mean, he gets a kick out of doing this.
1347
01:10:10,749 --> 01:10:16,212
To some extent, his pleasure
[stammers] at burning down the house
1348
01:10:16,295 --> 01:10:18,256
is infectious for people.
1349
01:10:18,339 --> 01:10:21,801
And as a reporter, you call him upbecause you want the outrageous quote.
1350
01:10:21,885 --> 01:10:24,553
You want, you know...
You want to hear what he's gonna say.
1351
01:10:24,637 --> 01:10:27,181
He's also very plugged-in.
He's in the know.
1352
01:10:27,265 --> 01:10:28,725
He talks to a million people.
1353
01:10:29,308 --> 01:10:32,311
[Stone] I just got a call fromthis reporter who was calling to warn me
1354
01:10:32,395 --> 01:10:35,689
that Corey is now openly telling peoplehe's got the goods on Manafort.
1355
01:10:35,774 --> 01:10:39,693
He is telling reporters
that he has something on Manafort
1356
01:10:39,778 --> 01:10:42,739
that will blow him out of the campaign.
1357
01:10:42,822 --> 01:10:44,824
Yeah, we gotta take the little prick out.
1358
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,288
I've been backgrounding reporters onwhat a total fucking disaster he's been.
1359
01:10:50,371 --> 01:10:55,459
And there's a story that just went upby Mike Isikoff at Yahoo
1360
01:10:55,543 --> 01:10:59,881
that dips into the whole Pakistaniblah, blah, blah.
1361
01:10:59,964 --> 01:11:04,135
If you look at Manafort's
long history of lobbying,
1362
01:11:04,218 --> 01:11:07,806
it is about as controversial
as you can get.
1363
01:11:08,597 --> 01:11:12,185
You are as connected to the insider game
1364
01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:14,645
of, what you've even said
on record yourself,
1365
01:11:14,728 --> 01:11:17,065
"influence peddling," as anybody.
1366
01:11:17,148 --> 01:11:19,692
How can you be the antidote
or anything to help Trump
1367
01:11:19,776 --> 01:11:21,527
when you seem to go against
his main message?
1368
01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:22,653
It depends on who you talk to
1369
01:11:22,736 --> 01:11:25,281
if I'm part of the establishment
or part of the antiestablishment.
1370
01:11:25,364 --> 01:11:27,116
You better get rid of the super PACs
1371
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,620
because they're causing a big problem
with this country.
1372
01:11:30,703 --> 01:11:33,331
...and a lot of bad decisions
that are being made
1373
01:11:33,414 --> 01:11:36,125
for the benefit of lobbyists
and special interests.
1374
01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:38,252
Donald Trump tells America
the system is rigged
1375
01:11:38,336 --> 01:11:40,171
by the lobbyists and the super PAC money,
1376
01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:42,298
and who does he turn to as his top guys?
1377
01:11:42,381 --> 01:11:46,135
Roger Stone and Paul Manafort,
who literally put up that rigging.
1378
01:11:46,219 --> 01:11:49,555
It's a crooked system,
it's a system that's rigged,
1379
01:11:49,638 --> 01:11:53,309
and we're going to go back to the old way.
It's called "You Vote and You Win."
1380
01:11:53,392 --> 01:11:56,104
Thank you very much, everybody.
Thank you.
1381
01:11:56,187 --> 01:12:00,066
Donald Trump is riding
a crest of voter anger
1382
01:12:00,149 --> 01:12:02,526
over 30 years of failed policies.
1383
01:12:03,111 --> 01:12:07,198
Voter anger explainsthe entire rise of Trump.
1384
01:12:07,281 --> 01:12:08,574
[Trump] I love the old days.
1385
01:12:08,657 --> 01:12:12,036
You know what they used to do to guys likethat when they were in a place like this?
1386
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,413
They'd be carried out
on a stretcher, folks.
1387
01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:19,836
Go fucking make my tortilla, motherfucker,
and build that fucking wall for me!
1388
01:12:20,461 --> 01:12:21,462
Trump!
1389
01:12:21,545 --> 01:12:24,632
[crowd chanting] Trump! Trump! Trump!
1390
01:12:24,715 --> 01:12:28,136
Roger Stone, he's very smart about anger.
1391
01:12:28,219 --> 01:12:30,721
It's one of the things
he understands best.
1392
01:12:30,804 --> 01:12:36,310
It's angry, white working-class voters
whose resentments are being milked
1393
01:12:36,394 --> 01:12:41,065
to push an agenda that's useful to
some of the richest people in the country.
1394
01:12:41,149 --> 01:12:47,280
These are hardly people who are in tune
with the little guy's interests.
1395
01:12:47,363 --> 01:12:51,659
Um, but they understand how to manipulate
the little guy's interests.
1396
01:12:51,742 --> 01:12:53,744
-[Malzberg] Can you hear me?
-Yes, I can.
1397
01:12:53,828 --> 01:12:55,538
-Can you hear me?
-You're awesome.
1398
01:12:55,621 --> 01:12:57,874
Easy on the rape stuff. Let's not--
1399
01:12:57,957 --> 01:12:59,500
I'll do the best I can, but--
1400
01:12:59,584 --> 01:13:03,087
-I know, I know. Let's just, like...
-Facts are facts, you know?
1401
01:13:03,171 --> 01:13:05,839
Do you believe it's too early
for Trump to be bringing up Bill Clinton?
1402
01:13:05,924 --> 01:13:08,467
Should Trump save all of this
1403
01:13:08,551 --> 01:13:12,013
and wait until he's the nominee and
he's running against her in the general?
1404
01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:13,097
No, I don't agree.
1405
01:13:13,181 --> 01:13:16,100
I don't think he had any choice,
'cause he didn't bring this up.
1406
01:13:16,184 --> 01:13:20,063
Hillary Clinton brought it up when
she attempted to play the victim card.
1407
01:13:20,146 --> 01:13:21,855
Does he know everything
that's in your book?
1408
01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:23,900
Are you giving him information at all?
1409
01:13:23,983 --> 01:13:26,569
Well, as you know,
and it's been well documented,
1410
01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:29,822
she went after the women
very, very strongly and very viciously,
1411
01:13:29,906 --> 01:13:32,241
according to the women
and according to other sources.
1412
01:13:32,325 --> 01:13:34,702
Uh, a major book's been written about it.
1413
01:13:34,785 --> 01:13:37,747
And it's a bookthat's a very well-respected book.
1414
01:13:38,497 --> 01:13:42,210
[Siegel] If you read Roger's blog,
The Stone Zone, or follow him on Twitter,
1415
01:13:42,293 --> 01:13:43,419
it's like coming attractions
1416
01:13:43,502 --> 01:13:46,005
for the attacks Donald Trump
will be launching two weeks later.
1417
01:13:46,089 --> 01:13:49,926
It is Hillary who hires
the heavy-handed private detectives
1418
01:13:50,009 --> 01:13:53,054
who break into these women's homes
and ransack them,
1419
01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:56,432
who threaten their children,
who kill their pets.
1420
01:13:57,016 --> 01:13:59,435
[Trump] She's married to a man
1421
01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:02,313
who was the worst abuser of women
in the history of politics.
1422
01:14:02,396 --> 01:14:06,650
And Hillary was an enabler,
and she treated these women horribly.
1423
01:14:06,734 --> 01:14:11,739
Roger's, you know, relationship with Trump
has been so interconnected
1424
01:14:11,822 --> 01:14:14,617
that it's hard to define
what's Roger and what's Donald.
1425
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:17,370
While it'll be clearly a Trump presidency,
1426
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:20,164
I think it's influenced
by a Stone philosophy.
1427
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:23,251
Shake-up at the Trump campaign
1428
01:14:23,334 --> 01:14:25,294
as the campaign manager,
Corey Lewandowski,
1429
01:14:25,378 --> 01:14:27,421
has now parted ways with the campaign.
1430
01:14:27,505 --> 01:14:30,883
[reporter] Paul Manafort taking the reinsof the Trump campaign.
1431
01:14:30,967 --> 01:14:32,218
[Carlson] Well, let's see.
1432
01:14:32,301 --> 01:14:34,303
Is it a surprise that Paul Manafort
1433
01:14:34,387 --> 01:14:36,597
[chuckling] wound up as
the campaign chairman for Trump?
1434
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,308
No, of course not.
That was engineered by Roger
1435
01:14:39,392 --> 01:14:42,436
as a way to get Corey Lewandowskibounced out of the campaign.
1436
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,105
It took a couple months, but they did it.
1437
01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:46,315
Roger has had a guiding hand
in all of this.
1438
01:14:46,399 --> 01:14:48,151
Now, Trump is hard to guide.
1439
01:14:48,234 --> 01:14:49,860
He spits the bit out.
1440
01:14:49,943 --> 01:14:52,071
You know,
he doesn't want to be driven at all.
1441
01:14:52,155 --> 01:14:55,658
But Roger's had as much influence
on the campaign as anyone.
1442
01:14:55,741 --> 01:14:57,660
I think the campaign's
being professionalized.
1443
01:14:57,743 --> 01:14:59,953
Manafort's doing a phenomenal job.
1444
01:15:00,038 --> 01:15:02,790
I think he instills confidence
in the campaign
1445
01:15:02,873 --> 01:15:04,417
that they didn't have before.
1446
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:07,836
[man] Did you give any reporters
background on Lewandowski?
1447
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,172
No.
1448
01:15:09,255 --> 01:15:11,757
[crowd chanting] Just stay silent!
1449
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,344
Just stay silent! Just stay silent!
1450
01:15:15,428 --> 01:15:17,305
Just stay silent!
1451
01:15:17,388 --> 01:15:18,722
Just stay silent!
1452
01:15:21,851 --> 01:15:23,602
[reporter] How often do you talk to him?
1453
01:15:23,686 --> 01:15:25,313
Uh, from time to time.
1454
01:15:25,396 --> 01:15:27,648
Are you an informal advisor?
Would you call yourself that?
1455
01:15:27,731 --> 01:15:29,650
I'm just an FOT, Friend of Trump.
1456
01:15:30,276 --> 01:15:33,862
We need, in our country, law and order.
1457
01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:38,117
And if I'm elected president,
that will happen.
1458
01:15:44,415 --> 01:15:48,127
[reporter] How real is the Dump Trumpmovement inside the Republican Party?
1459
01:15:48,211 --> 01:15:50,921
It's real because you've got,
now, an attitude
1460
01:15:51,004 --> 01:15:53,507
within the Republican Party,
at the highest levels,
1461
01:15:53,591 --> 01:15:55,259
that this would be better for the party.
1462
01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:57,636
[reporter] Discussions aboutcutting Trump loose
1463
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,930
are focused on the Republican Convention.
1464
01:16:00,013 --> 01:16:04,352
Finding a way to free delegates for Trumpto vote for someone else.
1465
01:16:04,435 --> 01:16:07,688
[Stone] I could see Donald Trump goingto the convention in Cleveland
1466
01:16:07,771 --> 01:16:09,732
and having the nomination stolen from him.
1467
01:16:09,815 --> 01:16:14,236
So, I have set up a convention operation
to try to ensure
1468
01:16:14,695 --> 01:16:18,074
that the Republican nominationis not stolen from Donald Trump.
1469
01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,285
[Trump] I'm representing a tremendousmany, many millions of people.
1470
01:16:21,369 --> 01:16:23,954
I think you would have problemslike you've never seen before.
1471
01:16:24,038 --> 01:16:26,749
I think bad things would happen.I think you'd have riots.
1472
01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:31,587
I have warned the public
of what I believe is "the big steal."
1473
01:16:31,670 --> 01:16:33,589
We're going to have protests.
1474
01:16:33,672 --> 01:16:37,801
We will disclose the hotels
and the room numbers
1475
01:16:37,885 --> 01:16:41,347
of those delegates
who are directly involved in the steal.
1476
01:16:41,972 --> 01:16:46,685
[man] What about the issueof Donald Trump's hit man, Roger Stone,
1477
01:16:46,769 --> 01:16:49,272
threatening violence in Cleveland?
1478
01:16:49,355 --> 01:16:51,940
-Appropriate rhetoric?
-I'm not giving him my hotel room.
1479
01:16:52,024 --> 01:16:54,652
-Okay, so do you sort of--
-[stammers]
1480
01:16:54,735 --> 01:16:57,070
Roger is not an official part
of the campaign.
1481
01:16:57,155 --> 01:16:59,823
-Did he bring you in? Okay.
-No. In fact, not at all.
1482
01:16:59,907 --> 01:17:03,994
Roger Stone threatened yesterday
that he will send Donald Trump supporters
1483
01:17:04,077 --> 01:17:06,997
to the hotel rooms
of any Republican delegate
1484
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,000
who tries stealing
the nomination from Trump this summer.
1485
01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:12,670
And those delegates
will probably answer the door, too,
1486
01:17:12,753 --> 01:17:15,005
because they're expecting a prostitute.
1487
01:17:15,088 --> 01:17:17,049
-[audience laughing]
-"Hey!"
1488
01:17:21,929 --> 01:17:23,514
[indistinct chatter]
1489
01:17:27,935 --> 01:17:29,978
-Caputo.
-How are you, man?
1490
01:17:30,062 --> 01:17:31,272
-I'm good.
-What's going on?
1491
01:17:31,355 --> 01:17:33,899
-Thank you. One more photo?
-All right. Give 'em hell.
1492
01:17:33,982 --> 01:17:34,983
[man] Mr. Stone.
1493
01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:36,985
-How are you?
-Thank you for your years of service.
1494
01:17:37,069 --> 01:17:39,572
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it. That's very kind.
1495
01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,114
Make America great again.
1496
01:17:44,452 --> 01:17:46,704
[crowd cheering]
1497
01:17:46,787 --> 01:17:50,040
I'm very sorry,
but I am not gonna do this again.
1498
01:17:50,123 --> 01:17:53,752
[reporter] Delegates were deniedan opportunity to vote on the rules.
1499
01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:57,881
Some saw it as their last chanceto take the nomination from Trump.
1500
01:17:57,965 --> 01:18:01,677
[crowd chanting] We want Trump!
We want Trump!
1501
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,637
Trump is able to take over
the Republican Party
1502
01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:07,308
because the Republican Party is
a bit like the Reform Party in 2000.
1503
01:18:07,391 --> 01:18:08,934
It's become a shell.
1504
01:18:09,017 --> 01:18:11,812
When it's something which isso out of touch with its own voters,
1505
01:18:11,895 --> 01:18:16,066
someone who steps inand communicates through social media
1506
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:19,195
straight into television,with tremendous charisma,
1507
01:18:19,278 --> 01:18:21,447
is able to steal the party.
1508
01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:23,532
One half of the Trump story
1509
01:18:23,616 --> 01:18:29,079
is the story about how one man's ego
led him to take over the Republican Party.
1510
01:18:29,162 --> 01:18:33,251
The other half of the story is
how the Republicans became so hollow
1511
01:18:33,334 --> 01:18:35,002
that someone could do that to them.
1512
01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:38,922
The Trump campaign is the apotheosis
of Roger Stone's politics.
1513
01:18:39,006 --> 01:18:40,633
-America!
-[crowd cheering]
1514
01:18:40,716 --> 01:18:44,803
[Toobin] It's the part ofthe Republican Party that he represents:
1515
01:18:44,887 --> 01:18:48,599
toughness, anger,not being politically correct.
1516
01:18:48,682 --> 01:18:50,976
If you look at the crime rate
in places like Chicago,
1517
01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:52,478
it's out of control, yes.
1518
01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:56,315
Trump is the law and order candidate.
He does speak to the silent majority.
1519
01:18:56,399 --> 01:18:58,692
I'm here with Roger Stone,
the one and only.
1520
01:18:58,776 --> 01:19:01,904
Kind of a legend in political consulting,
and, I think fair to say,
1521
01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:04,782
one of the, if not the, architect
of the Trump movement.
1522
01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:06,158
You've had an interesting career,
1523
01:19:06,242 --> 01:19:09,662
because you were in
the kind of establishment political world
1524
01:19:09,745 --> 01:19:11,038
and you had a great career there.
1525
01:19:11,121 --> 01:19:14,917
Then you kind of went off
into your Stone world for a while.
1526
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,044
And now you're back.
Now you're a big deal.
1527
01:19:17,127 --> 01:19:18,462
We're now in the age of Stone.
1528
01:19:18,546 --> 01:19:20,881
I mean, I feel like it's come
all the way around,
1529
01:19:20,964 --> 01:19:23,216
back to the days when you and I
and Terry Dolan
1530
01:19:23,301 --> 01:19:25,428
were plotting a takedown
of the establishment.
1531
01:19:25,511 --> 01:19:29,390
Then we became the establishment.
Then we became antiestablishment.
1532
01:19:29,473 --> 01:19:31,517
Roger is a lot more
than a dirty tricks artist.
1533
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,395
He kind of grabs that persona.
It's like his pro wrestling name.
1534
01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:37,147
But in the real world of politics,he's a real strategist.
1535
01:19:37,230 --> 01:19:40,734
And I think whenever he kind of createsthe dirty trickster thing for the media,
1536
01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:42,695
he's having fun,
but he's slumming a little bit.
1537
01:19:42,778 --> 01:19:46,198
You're a rape denier!
You're a rape denier!
1538
01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:48,659
America may be collapsing
and breaking apart,
1539
01:19:48,742 --> 01:19:51,244
but Roger Stone is determined to enjoy it.
1540
01:19:51,495 --> 01:19:55,416
This for you, right here. It's "rape."
It's Bill Clinton. It says "rape."
1541
01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:57,626
Okay, you know
who does this kind of shirt?
1542
01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:58,752
First of all, a sick guy.
1543
01:19:58,836 --> 01:20:00,170
Get him, Stone! Come on!
1544
01:20:00,253 --> 01:20:03,382
You know who's accused in court papers
of being a rapist?
1545
01:20:03,466 --> 01:20:05,258
-Donald J. Trump!
-[Stone] By Jane Doe.
1546
01:20:05,343 --> 01:20:06,385
By Jane and Tiffany Doe.
1547
01:20:06,469 --> 01:20:09,012
-Jane Doe. Who's Jane Doe?
-[Uygur] It's in court papers.
1548
01:20:09,096 --> 01:20:12,266
-You're a sick man, Roger Stone.
-No. You're a liar. Stone-cold liar.
1549
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:13,934
-[Uygur] You're the biggest liar.
-No.
1550
01:20:14,017 --> 01:20:15,936
-You're a piece of--
-[Stone] Spitzer, he's a great guy?
1551
01:20:16,019 --> 01:20:18,271
First of all, Alex,
this ain't your fucking show.
1552
01:20:18,356 --> 01:20:20,483
And, Roger,
it surely ain't your fucking show!
1553
01:20:20,566 --> 01:20:23,319
Blowjob! Blowjob! Blowjob!
Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!
1554
01:20:23,402 --> 01:20:26,279
You're a hatchet man. I don't know why
anyone in the media takes you seriously.
1555
01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:27,823
[Stone] You're a lightweight.
You don't know anything.
1556
01:20:27,906 --> 01:20:30,701
All you do is lie.
You're known as the biggest liar in media.
1557
01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:32,953
-[Stone] Name the lie.
-The biggest liar in media.
1558
01:20:33,036 --> 01:20:35,539
Name a lie, loser.
There's nobody watching your show, dude.
1559
01:20:35,623 --> 01:20:37,875
The guy starts pointing at me
and yelling like a maniac.
1560
01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:39,418
"You're a liar! A proven liar!"
1561
01:20:39,502 --> 01:20:41,962
I say, "What have I lied about?"
He says, "Eliot Spitzer."
1562
01:20:42,045 --> 01:20:45,298
I said, "He didn't like hookers?
He doesn't like to choke women?
1563
01:20:45,383 --> 01:20:47,300
Don't you read the newspapers, dude?"
1564
01:20:47,385 --> 01:20:50,053
[Caputo] Roger doesn't wantto be considered a sweetheart.
1565
01:20:50,137 --> 01:20:52,348
He's gonna be considered
the Prince of Darkness.
1566
01:20:52,431 --> 01:20:57,603
And if he dies with that on his tombstone,
I think he'll consider himself a success.
1567
01:21:19,458 --> 01:21:21,251
-[Stone] I wanted to say hello.
-Hey. How are you?
1568
01:21:21,334 --> 01:21:22,628
-You remember...
-[chuckling]
1569
01:21:25,673 --> 01:21:27,800
[Manafort] Roger's relationshipwith Trump,
1570
01:21:27,883 --> 01:21:31,011
they both see the worldin a very similar way.
1571
01:21:31,094 --> 01:21:33,889
If Trump is elected president,
I think Roger will see
1572
01:21:33,972 --> 01:21:37,643
one more very significant impact
he's had on world history.
1573
01:21:47,445 --> 01:21:49,738
[Ivanka Trump] I could not bemore proud tonight
1574
01:21:49,822 --> 01:21:52,991
to present to you and to all of America,
1575
01:21:53,659 --> 01:22:00,290
my father and our next president,
Donald J. Trump.
1576
01:22:00,373 --> 01:22:02,125
[crowd cheering]
1577
01:22:13,637 --> 01:22:19,226
Friends, delegates and fellow Americans,
1578
01:22:19,309 --> 01:22:25,566
I humbly and gratefully accept
your nomination
1579
01:22:25,649 --> 01:22:29,277
for the presidency of the United States.
1580
01:22:29,361 --> 01:22:34,867
[crowd chanting] USA! USA! USA!
1581
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:38,621
I would argue that Roger Stone,
after 30 years working for Donald Trump,
1582
01:22:39,246 --> 01:22:42,666
is one of his primary influences,
perhaps the primary influence.
1583
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:47,045
And to think that the guy who calls outpeople on Twitter like Roger does,
1584
01:22:47,129 --> 01:22:49,339
who's done the thingsand told the stories,
1585
01:22:49,923 --> 01:22:53,761
is actually in the catbird seatwith a Republican nominee
1586
01:22:53,844 --> 01:22:55,262
is something for the record books.
1587
01:22:55,345 --> 01:22:56,930
CNN has banned Roger Stone,
1588
01:22:57,014 --> 01:22:59,266
the Republican strategist
and former Trump advisor,
1589
01:22:59,349 --> 01:23:00,433
from appearing as a guest.
1590
01:23:00,518 --> 01:23:05,147
This after the discovery of his offensive
tweets against CNN contributors.
1591
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:06,607
Stone once called Ana Navarro
1592
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:09,610
an "abusive diva"
and "borderline retarded."
1593
01:23:09,693 --> 01:23:12,404
Stone also called
then-contributor Roland Martin
1594
01:23:12,488 --> 01:23:15,741
a "stupid negro," a "moron" and a "token,"
1595
01:23:15,824 --> 01:23:18,243
and suggested he eat more fried chicken.
1596
01:23:18,326 --> 01:23:21,163
To ban someone
because you disagree with their views
1597
01:23:21,246 --> 01:23:24,041
demonstrates you're not really
a news organization,
1598
01:23:24,124 --> 01:23:25,876
but you're an opinion organization.
1599
01:23:25,959 --> 01:23:29,922
CNN means Clinton News Network.
1600
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:33,050
There are more people
watching Infowars.com
1601
01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:37,095
than watching MSNBC and, at some hours,
CNN combined.
1602
01:23:37,638 --> 01:23:40,307
[Alex Jones] Ladies and gentlemen,we are broadcasting worldwide.
1603
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:45,813
Roger Stone, the consummate Trump insider,
the vice-Trumpian joins us.
1604
01:23:45,896 --> 01:23:49,692
You've got Alex Jones, he's like
the sort of main conspiracy theorist,
1605
01:23:49,775 --> 01:23:51,484
probably the most popular
in American life now.
1606
01:23:51,569 --> 01:23:53,529
You know, Roger Stone goes
on that show every day.
1607
01:23:53,612 --> 01:23:56,657
There's this crazy vortexof all that stuff back from the '90s
1608
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:59,409
just now sort of exploding
through the channel of Trump.
1609
01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:01,369
I'm never a lesser-of-two-evils person,
1610
01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,706
but with Hillary,
there's not even the same universe.
1611
01:24:03,789 --> 01:24:07,250
I mean, she is an abject,
psychopathic demon from hell.
1612
01:24:07,334 --> 01:24:08,836
[Stone] Alex Jones is very important.
1613
01:24:08,919 --> 01:24:13,048
I realize the elite media likes
to call him a conspiracy theorist.
1614
01:24:13,131 --> 01:24:15,342
I don't like 'em putting chemicals
in the water
1615
01:24:15,425 --> 01:24:17,594
that turns the frickin' frogs gay!
1616
01:24:18,262 --> 01:24:19,805
Do you understand that?
1617
01:24:20,514 --> 01:24:22,474
[grunting] I'm sick of this crap!
1618
01:24:22,558 --> 01:24:27,062
[Stone] He has a bully pulpit thatallows him to reach millions of people,
1619
01:24:27,145 --> 01:24:28,772
and they are Trump's people.
1620
01:24:28,856 --> 01:24:31,859
They are outsiders,
skeptical about government,
1621
01:24:31,942 --> 01:24:35,403
skeptical about the bullshit
government is always trying to peddle you.
1622
01:24:35,487 --> 01:24:37,530
Mexico is a globalist client state.
1623
01:24:37,615 --> 01:24:39,867
And they teach 'em,
"America belongs to you.
1624
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:42,244
You're gonna get the gringo.
Plan of San Diego."
1625
01:24:42,327 --> 01:24:43,370
Don't know what that is?
1626
01:24:43,453 --> 01:24:48,208
It's a plan to take over in a race war
and kill all whites below the age of 16.
1627
01:24:48,291 --> 01:24:52,671
Sure it's a non-elitist crowd,
but they're Americans and they vote.
1628
01:24:52,754 --> 01:24:56,717
Tell us, Mr. Trump, about Mr. Stone,
who helped get this interview set up.
1629
01:24:57,134 --> 01:24:59,845
Well, Roger's a good guy,
and he is a patriot.
1630
01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:02,014
He's a tough cookie, but people like him.
1631
01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:04,474
But he's been so loyal and so wonderful.
1632
01:25:04,557 --> 01:25:08,729
And thank God for the Breitbarts
and the Daily Callers
1633
01:25:08,812 --> 01:25:11,815
and the Townhalls and the Infowars.com
1634
01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:16,820
and the so many alternative media sites
where we can learn the truth
1635
01:25:16,904 --> 01:25:21,366
and we can tell the truth
and we can spread the truth.
1636
01:25:21,449 --> 01:25:24,327
This is not conservatism
as we have known it.
1637
01:25:24,411 --> 01:25:27,205
This is not Republicanism
as we have known it.
1638
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,084
These are racist ideas,
race-baiting ideas,
1639
01:25:31,168 --> 01:25:34,755
anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-women.
1640
01:25:34,838 --> 01:25:41,679
All key tenets making up the emerging
racist ideology known as the alt-right.
1641
01:25:41,762 --> 01:25:45,724
I think Trump should get more,
you know, more, quote, "conspiratorial."
1642
01:25:45,808 --> 01:25:47,685
We created ISIS.
1643
01:25:47,768 --> 01:25:52,564
The vacuum created by George W. Bush
and then Hillary Clinton armed ISIS.
1644
01:25:52,648 --> 01:25:57,778
ISIS is honoring President Obama.
1645
01:25:57,861 --> 01:26:01,824
He is the founder of ISIS.
He's the founder of ISIS.
1646
01:26:01,907 --> 01:26:04,201
I would say the cofounder
1647
01:26:04,284 --> 01:26:09,039
would be Crooked Hillary Clinton,
cofounder.
1648
01:26:09,122 --> 01:26:12,459
I think it's whatever Roger Stone e-mails
Donald Trump in the middle of the night.
1649
01:26:12,542 --> 01:26:14,586
-He wakes up, and that's their strategy.
-That's right.
1650
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:15,796
[coughing] Excuse me.
1651
01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:21,969
So go online and put down"Hillary Clinton illness."
1652
01:26:22,052 --> 01:26:23,636
Take a look at the videos for yourself.
1653
01:26:23,721 --> 01:26:27,474
This fringe allegation
that Hillary Clinton is not well,
1654
01:26:27,557 --> 01:26:29,893
her health isn't good,
is something that we're seeing
1655
01:26:29,977 --> 01:26:31,770
more and morewith Donald Trump supporters.
1656
01:26:31,854 --> 01:26:33,646
Some of the Breitbart readershave brought it up.
1657
01:26:33,731 --> 01:26:36,066
Also, Roger Stone has beentalking about it.
1658
01:26:36,149 --> 01:26:38,819
She's got no stamina.
I think it's abundantly clear.
1659
01:26:38,902 --> 01:26:42,906
She doesn't have the strength
or the stamina
1660
01:26:42,990 --> 01:26:46,618
to make America great again. Believe me.
1661
01:26:47,285 --> 01:26:49,287
The people behind Trump's candidacy,
1662
01:26:49,371 --> 01:26:53,041
including Giuliani, including Roger Ailes,
including Roger Stone,
1663
01:26:53,125 --> 01:26:57,545
including his so-called brain trust,believe this stuff works.
1664
01:26:59,339 --> 01:27:01,466
[Labash] Now the children's tableis the adult table.
1665
01:27:01,549 --> 01:27:04,845
And Alex Jones is, you know,
passing the dinner rolls.
1666
01:27:04,928 --> 01:27:07,389
And we're all conspiracy America now.
1667
01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:08,766
[Stone] Thank you.
1668
01:27:08,849 --> 01:27:12,019
Even if Donald Trump loses, I still win,
1669
01:27:12,102 --> 01:27:15,272
because the Stone brand has been
front and center,
1670
01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:19,234
and my brand of politicshave finally come into their own.
1671
01:27:19,317 --> 01:27:22,570
CNN, MSNBC, they're now the fringe.
1672
01:27:22,654 --> 01:27:26,658
Alt-right communications,
we are the mainstream.
1673
01:27:26,742 --> 01:27:31,997
Did Trump really believe that
Obama was not born in the United States?
1674
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:38,545
Does Roger Stone really believe
that Bill Clinton raped all these women?
1675
01:27:38,628 --> 01:27:41,799
You know, it doesn't matter to themis more the point.
1676
01:27:41,882 --> 01:27:45,218
It's their tactic in the political wars.
1677
01:27:45,302 --> 01:27:50,390
And for them, there are no boundaries.
Anything goes. Anything that wins, fine.
1678
01:27:50,473 --> 01:27:55,270
[reporter 1] Today, WikiLeaks releasing1,700 new stolen e-mails.
1679
01:27:55,353 --> 01:27:58,148
[reporter 2] The Clinton campaignis accusing a top Trump advisor
1680
01:27:58,231 --> 01:28:01,234
of scheming with WikiLeaksand Russian intelligence
1681
01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:03,070
against Hillary Clinton.
1682
01:28:03,153 --> 01:28:07,115
I, actually,
have communicated with Assange.
1683
01:28:07,950 --> 01:28:10,327
I believe the next tranche
of his documents
1684
01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:12,704
pertain to the Clinton Foundation.
1685
01:28:12,788 --> 01:28:15,498
Have you spoken
with the WikiLeaks founder?
1686
01:28:15,582 --> 01:28:18,001
No, I have not spoken to Mr. Assange,
1687
01:28:18,085 --> 01:28:20,963
I have not met with Mr. Assange,
and I never said I had.
1688
01:28:21,046 --> 01:28:23,048
[reporter] House Democrats now sayingin Washington,
1689
01:28:23,131 --> 01:28:25,550
"Let's investigate Roger Stone's ties
to the Russians."
1690
01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:29,721
Has the FBI interviewed Roger Stone about
his communications with Julian Assange,
1691
01:28:29,805 --> 01:28:32,850
or his knowledge of how WikiLeaks
got these illegally obtained documents?
1692
01:28:32,933 --> 01:28:34,309
I can't comment on that.
1693
01:28:34,392 --> 01:28:36,478
[Stone] Only Mr. Assange knowswhat he's going to do.
1694
01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:39,606
Now, I think he's a hero,
fighting the deep state,
1695
01:28:39,689 --> 01:28:42,317
taking on both the Republicans
and the Democrats.
1696
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,402
Taking on the establishment, really.
1697
01:28:44,486 --> 01:28:46,154
[reporter] Law enforcement sourcestell CNN
1698
01:28:46,238 --> 01:28:49,032
that the FBI has been conductingmultiple investigations
1699
01:28:49,116 --> 01:28:53,453
and it continues to examine allegationsagainst Roger Stone, a Trump supporter,
1700
01:28:53,536 --> 01:28:55,956
about possible connections to WikiLeaks.
1701
01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:58,208
Those probes includea year-long investigation
1702
01:28:58,291 --> 01:29:00,293
of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort
1703
01:29:00,377 --> 01:29:04,506
and his firm and their alleged tiesto pro-Putin figures in Ukraine.
1704
01:29:04,589 --> 01:29:08,551
These cyberattacks come
from the highest levels of the Kremlin,
1705
01:29:08,635 --> 01:29:11,513
and they are designed
to influence our election.
1706
01:29:11,596 --> 01:29:14,850
I find that deeply disturbing,
and I think it's time...
1707
01:29:14,933 --> 01:29:17,394
-She has no idea whether it's Russia...
-...you take a stand...
1708
01:29:17,477 --> 01:29:18,770
...China, or anybody else.
1709
01:29:18,854 --> 01:29:22,649
-I'm not quoting myself. I'm quoting 17...
-Hillary, you have no idea.
1710
01:29:22,732 --> 01:29:25,652
[Stone] The Clinton thugs,they're the ones saying,
1711
01:29:25,735 --> 01:29:29,531
"Donald Trump is a traitor to his country,
in bed with Vladimir Putin,"
1712
01:29:29,614 --> 01:29:30,782
a man he's never even met.
1713
01:29:30,866 --> 01:29:32,993
Russia, if you're listening,
1714
01:29:33,076 --> 01:29:39,166
I hope you're able to find
the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.
1715
01:29:39,249 --> 01:29:42,044
It's the low road in American politics.
1716
01:29:42,127 --> 01:29:47,674
They have unabashedly embracedthe toughest tactics you can take.
1717
01:29:47,757 --> 01:29:50,677
And you can see it in Roger Stone,
and you can see it in Trump.
1718
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,388
I mean, no boundaries
to what they would do.
1719
01:29:53,471 --> 01:29:55,765
They'll twist the truth if they need to.
1720
01:29:55,848 --> 01:29:57,976
They're cynical about politics.
1721
01:29:58,060 --> 01:30:01,063
They think people who take the high road
1722
01:30:01,146 --> 01:30:05,358
or who try to act virtuously are chumps.
1723
01:30:05,442 --> 01:30:07,902
The Trump campaign's latest reboot
now underway.
1724
01:30:07,986 --> 01:30:10,572
Two new top officialswho Trump is bringing in.
1725
01:30:10,655 --> 01:30:13,325
Pollster Kellyanne Conwayas campaign manager,
1726
01:30:13,408 --> 01:30:18,371
and Breitbart News honcho Steve Bannonto be Trump's new campaign CEO.
1727
01:30:18,455 --> 01:30:21,583
Sources say Manafort is being,quote, "sidelined."
1728
01:30:21,666 --> 01:30:24,211
Another bombshell
from the Trump campaign today.
1729
01:30:24,294 --> 01:30:27,965
The resignation of the embattled
campaign chairman Paul Manafort,
1730
01:30:28,048 --> 01:30:30,092
amid a wave of bad headlines
1731
01:30:30,175 --> 01:30:33,720
and growing questionsabout Manafort's connections to Russia.
1732
01:30:33,803 --> 01:30:37,140
Also added to the team is
the disgraced Fox News chief Roger Ailes,
1733
01:30:37,224 --> 01:30:40,643
and also Roger Stone,
who is a political operative.
1734
01:30:40,727 --> 01:30:45,107
Roger Ailes, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon,they play rough.
1735
01:30:45,190 --> 01:30:48,151
Bannon is a bomb thrower
in the Stone mold.
1736
01:30:48,235 --> 01:30:51,779
Somebody I like enormously. He's got guts.
1737
01:30:51,863 --> 01:30:54,616
He understands new media in a way that
1738
01:30:54,699 --> 01:30:57,327
I think no one elsein the Trump campaign did.
1739
01:30:57,410 --> 01:31:00,913
He understands the fine points
of the Clinton oeuvre, if you will.
1740
01:31:00,998 --> 01:31:03,916
Uh, he has republished
all of my toughest material
1741
01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:07,087
from The Clintons' War on Women
at Breitbart News.
1742
01:31:07,170 --> 01:31:09,131
So he understands the enemy
1743
01:31:09,214 --> 01:31:11,883
better than, perhaps,
anybody else in the Trump campaign.
1744
01:31:11,966 --> 01:31:15,428
And like Donald Trump, he's fearless.
1745
01:31:15,512 --> 01:31:18,556
He's tough as nails. He's driven.
1746
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,310
Uh, I think he's the campaign's
secret weapon at this point.
1747
01:31:22,394 --> 01:31:25,230
Good evening, everybody.
It is now established,
1748
01:31:25,313 --> 01:31:29,526
this is indeed the dirtiest
presidential campaign in modern history.
1749
01:31:29,609 --> 01:31:31,528
[reporter] The last four weeksof the campaign,
1750
01:31:31,611 --> 01:31:33,905
Roger Stone said it's going to be brutal.
1751
01:31:33,988 --> 01:31:37,575
Earlier today, the Washington Post
released audio of Donald Trump from 2005.
1752
01:31:40,995 --> 01:31:42,705
[woman] Kind of relevant to people
1753
01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:46,918
whether their future president
happens to also be a sexist pig.
1754
01:31:47,001 --> 01:31:50,088
[reporter 2] A new poll revealshow much that tape of Donald Trump
1755
01:31:50,172 --> 01:31:51,923
is hurting his poll numbers.
1756
01:31:52,006 --> 01:31:56,469
Breitbart and Roger Stone are
in Donald Trump's head
1757
01:31:56,553 --> 01:31:59,181
telling him, "You need to go
all-out scorched-earth."
1758
01:31:59,264 --> 01:32:03,435
Bill Clinton sexually assaulted
innocent women,
1759
01:32:03,518 --> 01:32:08,106
and Hillary Clinton attacked
those women viciously.
1760
01:32:08,190 --> 01:32:12,485
I expect in the fall that many
of these women will be speaking out.
1761
01:32:12,569 --> 01:32:17,199
Bill Clinton raped me,
and Hillary Clinton threatened me.
1762
01:32:17,282 --> 01:32:20,160
[reporter] Kathy Shelton was paid $2,500in May
1763
01:32:20,243 --> 01:32:22,620
by a pro-Trump super PACrun by Roger Stone.
1764
01:32:22,704 --> 01:32:27,584
If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse.
Mine are words and his was action.
1765
01:32:27,667 --> 01:32:31,296
After the most recent debate,Clinton leads 49 to 41.
1766
01:32:31,379 --> 01:32:34,257
You've got Roger Stone running out there
saying that the system is rigged
1767
01:32:34,340 --> 01:32:36,259
and that there'll be revolutionand blood in the streets.
1768
01:32:36,342 --> 01:32:39,971
It's just awfully good that someone
with the temperament of Donald Trump
1769
01:32:40,054 --> 01:32:42,974
is not in charge of the law
in our country.
1770
01:32:43,057 --> 01:32:45,268
-Because you'd be in jail.
-[audience clamoring]
1771
01:32:45,352 --> 01:32:47,645
[reporter] FBI directorJames Comey announced
1772
01:32:47,729 --> 01:32:51,065
the bureau is renewing its investigationinto her personal e-mail server.
1773
01:32:51,149 --> 01:32:53,235
[Trump] Crooked Hillary Clinton.
1774
01:32:53,318 --> 01:32:55,278
It's not clear
if the tightening in the polls stems
1775
01:32:55,362 --> 01:32:58,948
from FBI director James Comey's
widely condemned disclosure.
1776
01:32:59,031 --> 01:33:01,659
Donald Trump has taken this country
to the brink.
1777
01:33:01,743 --> 01:33:05,455
And tomorrow,
voters are likely to take it back.
1778
01:33:13,796 --> 01:33:17,259
[reporter 1] Good morning to you.576 days campaigning,
1779
01:33:17,342 --> 01:33:19,719
more than 280 campaign events
1780
01:33:19,802 --> 01:33:22,722
and now this historic day is finally here.
1781
01:33:22,805 --> 01:33:25,767
Hillary Clinton calls this election
the test of our time.
1782
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:28,686
[reporter 2] In Rochester, New York,dozens put "I voted" stickers
1783
01:33:28,770 --> 01:33:31,231
on the graveof suffragist Susan B. Anthony
1784
01:33:31,314 --> 01:33:34,317
on the day the first woman nomineefor president
1785
01:33:34,401 --> 01:33:36,444
with a major party was on the ballot.
1786
01:33:36,528 --> 01:33:38,821
We're looking at the first woman president
of the United States.
1787
01:33:38,905 --> 01:33:41,115
Aren't you excited
for the first female president?
1788
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,909
-No!
-I am.
1789
01:33:42,992 --> 01:33:45,370
We can't go for Crooked Clinton.
We can't go for her.
1790
01:33:45,453 --> 01:33:47,705
If Hillary Clinton can run for president,
can you do anything?
1791
01:33:47,789 --> 01:33:48,831
Yeah.
1792
01:33:48,915 --> 01:33:51,168
[reporter] Hillary Clinton is favoredto win today.
1793
01:33:51,251 --> 01:33:54,086
The polls have all shown her aheadby four points or so.
1794
01:33:54,171 --> 01:33:57,257
I'm not fatalist.
I just see them with CNN, ABC,
1795
01:33:57,340 --> 01:33:59,050
all about how Hillary's gonna win all day.
1796
01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:00,927
And I see they're pre-scripting
she's gonna win.
1797
01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:02,720
They're very hopeful.
They're optimistic.
1798
01:34:02,804 --> 01:34:07,350
A glass ceiling they're hoping to,symbolically, burst through tonight.
1799
01:34:07,434 --> 01:34:10,895
Super excited. I wanna make sure
that I'm here to experience history.
1800
01:34:10,978 --> 01:34:14,482
What we see from the early returns is that
her ground game has really delivered.
1801
01:34:14,566 --> 01:34:17,068
Let me tell you this,
it is Florida, Florida, Florida.
1802
01:34:17,151 --> 01:34:20,280
[reporter] Donald Trump has taken
the lead in Florida.
1803
01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:23,825
[Stone] I talked to some of my colleaguesin Trump Tower just a few minutes ago.
1804
01:34:23,908 --> 01:34:26,411
There's a little optimism here.
1805
01:34:26,494 --> 01:34:28,413
No one thought it was gonna be
this close at this point.
1806
01:34:28,496 --> 01:34:29,706
Trump can still win this.
1807
01:34:29,789 --> 01:34:31,040
[reporter] We have another stateto project.
1808
01:34:31,123 --> 01:34:32,250
It is North Carolina.
1809
01:34:32,334 --> 01:34:34,252
Battleground state.It's going to Donald Trump.
1810
01:34:34,336 --> 01:34:36,128
I was actually ready to go to bed,
1811
01:34:36,213 --> 01:34:39,006
uh, then I started seeing
the Electoral College come in,
1812
01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:40,550
and I'm, like, super psyched.
1813
01:34:40,633 --> 01:34:43,720
This is going to be a very close election.
1814
01:34:43,803 --> 01:34:46,306
[Stone] I'm seeing
these late-breaking trends.
1815
01:34:46,389 --> 01:34:50,893
This could hand Trump the presidency.
Folks, this is not, by any means, over.
1816
01:34:50,977 --> 01:34:55,440
I think there's some real jitters setting
in at Clinton headquarters right now.
1817
01:34:55,523 --> 01:34:59,652
Wolf, the scene here is so different
than it was a few hours ago
1818
01:34:59,736 --> 01:35:01,904
when people were happy and relaxed.
1819
01:35:01,988 --> 01:35:03,781
This is most unexpected.
1820
01:35:03,865 --> 01:35:08,077
It certainly is a huge, huge surprise
to so many people out there...
1821
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,830
[Todd] I think we all thoughtit couldn't happen,
1822
01:35:10,913 --> 01:35:13,958
that he couldn't do what he did.
And guess what?
1823
01:35:14,041 --> 01:35:15,793
He may just do it.
1824
01:35:15,877 --> 01:35:20,340
[man] Donald Trump has takenthe lead. He has 216 electoral votes.
1825
01:35:20,423 --> 01:35:22,174
The beginning of the end
for Hillary Clinton's campaign.
1826
01:35:22,259 --> 01:35:23,801
[man] He's pulling aheadof Hillary Clinton.
1827
01:35:23,885 --> 01:35:24,886
You see it there, 222...
1828
01:35:24,969 --> 01:35:29,140
...a number of groups who are
likely feeling real fear right now.
1829
01:35:29,223 --> 01:35:31,017
You've got women, immigrants,
1830
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:33,395
who have been threatened
by Donald Trump with deportation.
1831
01:35:33,478 --> 01:35:35,397
How do I explain this to my children?
1832
01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:38,691
I have Muslim friends
who are texting me tonight,
1833
01:35:38,775 --> 01:35:40,610
saying, "Should I leave the country?"
1834
01:35:40,693 --> 01:35:42,529
America is crying tonight.
1835
01:35:42,612 --> 01:35:46,616
I'm not sure how much of America,
but a very, very significant portion.
1836
01:35:46,699 --> 01:35:48,535
And I mean literally crying.
1837
01:35:48,618 --> 01:35:50,453
[cheering]
1838
01:35:50,537 --> 01:35:52,580
[crowd chanting] Trump! Trump! Trump!
1839
01:35:52,664 --> 01:35:54,999
[reporter 1] This isa very unexpected turn,
1840
01:35:55,082 --> 01:35:59,629
and now, his crowd here is saying,"President Trump, President Trump,"
1841
01:35:59,712 --> 01:36:02,214
and there isvast celebration going on here.
1842
01:36:02,299 --> 01:36:04,967
[reporter 2] Donald Trump will bethe 45th president of the United States.
1843
01:36:05,552 --> 01:36:07,136
Ah, yeah.
1844
01:36:07,220 --> 01:36:09,222
[woman] The basket of deplorables
has arrived.
1845
01:36:09,306 --> 01:36:10,890
[cheering]
1846
01:36:11,557 --> 01:36:13,601
[man] People have talkedabout a miracle.
1847
01:36:14,436 --> 01:36:16,354
I'm hearing about a nightmare.
1848
01:36:16,437 --> 01:36:19,274
[crowd chanting] USA! USA!
1849
01:36:19,357 --> 01:36:22,860
[woman] This is your life now.This is us. This is our country.
1850
01:36:32,829 --> 01:36:34,331
[Stone] Stone's Rule.
1851
01:36:34,414 --> 01:36:36,708
"Past is fucking prologue."
1852
01:36:37,500 --> 01:36:41,588
"Silent majority,""the forgotten Americans."
1853
01:36:41,671 --> 01:36:44,131
"I am the candidate of law and order."
1854
01:36:50,930 --> 01:36:54,767
It's not me who found this trend.It's those who went before me.
1855
01:36:54,851 --> 01:36:58,855
I just saw Trump's ability to utilize itto become president.
1856
01:37:00,648 --> 01:37:05,027
This is the manifestationof a dream I've had since 1988.
1857
01:37:05,111 --> 01:37:08,781
And I've always thought Donald Trump had
the size and the courage and the balls
1858
01:37:08,865 --> 01:37:10,617
to become president of the United States.
1859
01:37:16,038 --> 01:37:19,667
We're in the age of Stonebecause the change in our politics,
1860
01:37:19,751 --> 01:37:24,381
the rough-and-tumble cutthroat politics,the slash-and-burn of what was just
1861
01:37:24,464 --> 01:37:28,676
probably the dirtiest, nastiest campaign
in American political history,
1862
01:37:29,260 --> 01:37:30,762
are now in vogue.
1863
01:37:33,515 --> 01:37:36,684
[man] What message would you havefor the viewers of this film
1864
01:37:36,768 --> 01:37:39,270
who will loathe you when the credits roll?
1865
01:37:40,021 --> 01:37:42,189
I revel in your hatred,
1866
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because if I weren't effective,
you wouldn't hate me.
1867
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[crowd chanting] Equal rights!
Equal rights!
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