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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,572 --> 00:00:05,973 Previously on The West Wing: 2 00:00:05,973 --> 00:00:07,341 DONNA: He's a Republican lawyer. 3 00:00:07,341 --> 00:00:09,177 Turns out, now, he's on Government Oversight. 4 00:00:09,177 --> 00:00:11,612 You can't see him anymore. 5 00:00:11,612 --> 00:00:13,647 about the scope of inquiry. 6 00:00:13,647 --> 00:00:15,783 Look... We're not going to get anywhere 7 00:00:15,783 --> 00:00:16,684 putting on a calm face. 8 00:00:16,684 --> 00:00:18,686 We need to pick a fight. 9 00:00:18,686 --> 00:00:20,754 He scheduled a trip to New Hampshire? 10 00:00:20,754 --> 00:00:22,756 High Tech corridor of the Northeast. 11 00:00:22,756 --> 00:00:24,792 What does that matter right now? 12 00:00:30,364 --> 00:00:32,800 SPORTSCASTER: ( over TV ): 45 seconds to go... 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,236 Wittmeyer hands the ball off to Johnson on the right side... 14 00:00:35,236 --> 00:00:38,038 ( game continues in background ) 15 00:00:45,113 --> 00:00:46,114 Well, Chris. 16 00:00:46,114 --> 00:00:47,315 Yeah. Hi. 17 00:00:47,315 --> 00:00:49,183 Hey. 18 00:00:58,992 --> 00:01:01,629 C.J., do we know what kind of gun it was? 19 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:04,532 Which gun? The first gun. 20 00:01:04,532 --> 00:01:06,600 Okay, here are a few confirmations 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,202 and a few more details. 22 00:01:08,202 --> 00:01:10,404 The shooting took place approximately 15 minutes 23 00:01:10,404 --> 00:01:13,741 into the 9:00 service at United Baptist Church 24 00:01:13,741 --> 00:01:15,609 in Abilene, Texas. 25 00:01:15,609 --> 00:01:16,644 Will Sawyer 26 00:01:16,644 --> 00:01:17,445 is that you? Yes. 27 00:01:17,445 --> 00:01:18,812 You're back in the country? 28 00:01:18,812 --> 00:01:20,080 Yeah. You working for 29 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,651 the San Francisco Chronicle now? 30 00:01:23,651 --> 00:01:25,719 Then you want to get your ass out of their chair? 31 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:27,721 ( reporters laughter ) There's assigned seating? 32 00:01:27,721 --> 00:01:29,690 You see the little brass plaques with the names 33 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:31,625 of media outlets on the front of the seats? 34 00:01:31,625 --> 00:01:33,394 I thought that meant they made 35 00:01:33,394 --> 00:01:34,995 a generous contribution. Find a seat in back. 36 00:01:34,995 --> 00:01:37,398 15 minutes into the service, Daryl Bechtell-- 37 00:01:37,398 --> 00:01:40,634 B-e-c-h-t-e-l-l-- 38 00:01:40,634 --> 00:01:43,471 Reports indicate he was looking for his estranged wife. 39 00:01:43,471 --> 00:01:46,640 He fired off a round-- that was from the .38-- 40 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,777 missing his wife and hitting Harold Winter 41 00:01:49,777 --> 00:01:51,279 in the left shoulder. 42 00:01:51,279 --> 00:01:54,081 Mr. Winter is 65 and currently undergoing surgery 43 00:01:54,081 --> 00:01:56,617 at Abilene Regional Medical Center. 44 00:01:56,617 --> 00:01:59,753 Mr. Bechtell fired off anywhere between two and four more rounds 45 00:01:59,753 --> 00:02:03,424 at that point-- reports differ-- as the crowd began to scatter. 46 00:02:03,424 --> 00:02:05,693 That's when Ron Cahrl pulled a nine-millimeter Glock 47 00:02:05,693 --> 00:02:08,095 from under his suit coat and fired off three rounds 48 00:02:08,095 --> 00:02:09,963 in the direction of Mr. Bechtell. 49 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:12,166 It's unclear which of those rounds struck Melissa Markey. 50 00:02:12,166 --> 00:02:13,534 Confirmation on her age? 51 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:15,269 She'll be nine years old tomorrow. 52 00:02:15,269 --> 00:02:17,238 Can you speak to what either Daryl Bechtell 53 00:02:17,238 --> 00:02:18,972 or Ron Cahrl might be charged with? 54 00:02:18,972 --> 00:02:21,542 No, the Abilene Sheriff's Office will address that. 55 00:02:21,542 --> 00:02:23,877 I can tell you that Mr. Bechtell's gun was registered 56 00:02:23,877 --> 00:02:26,814 and that Ron Cahrl had a license to carry a concealed weapon. 57 00:02:26,814 --> 00:02:28,349 Doesn't Texas law prohibit carrying a weapon 58 00:02:28,349 --> 00:02:29,983 in a church or a synagogue? 59 00:02:29,983 --> 00:02:32,353 Again, I'll let the Sheriff's Office speak to that 60 00:02:32,353 --> 00:02:33,987 but I'll tell you that it only prohibits it 61 00:02:33,987 --> 00:02:35,323 if the church or synagogue 62 00:02:35,323 --> 00:02:36,857 posts such a prohibition in plain sight. 63 00:02:36,857 --> 00:02:37,891 REPORTERS: C.J... 64 00:02:37,891 --> 00:02:39,627 Hang on. 65 00:02:41,962 --> 00:02:43,864 Well... 66 00:02:43,864 --> 00:03:34,782 Melissa Markey died. 67 00:03:34,782 --> 00:03:36,984 SAM: If you don't understand a question, say so. 68 00:03:36,984 --> 00:03:38,452 And they'll repeat it 69 00:03:38,452 --> 00:03:40,120 or they'll rephrase it. DONNA: Yeah. 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,189 There's nothing wrong with not understanding a question. 71 00:03:42,189 --> 00:03:43,291 Right. There's nothing wrong 72 00:03:43,291 --> 00:03:44,425 with saying "I don't recall." 73 00:03:44,425 --> 00:03:45,559 I appreciate this. 74 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:46,827 Yeah. 75 00:03:46,827 --> 00:03:48,862 Don't you want to go over this with Josh? 76 00:03:48,862 --> 00:03:49,763 He's pissed at me. 77 00:03:49,763 --> 00:03:50,864 No, he's not. 78 00:03:50,864 --> 00:03:51,965 He's... yeah, he is. 79 00:03:51,965 --> 00:03:52,966 He didn't say anything. 80 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:53,967 He doesn't say anything. 81 00:03:53,967 --> 00:03:54,935 All right. 82 00:03:54,935 --> 00:03:57,271 Anyway, I appreciate this. 83 00:03:57,271 --> 00:04:00,541 Charlie, hang on a second. 84 00:04:00,541 --> 00:04:02,776 You're going to be sitting in a room. 85 00:04:02,776 --> 00:04:05,413 It's going to feel like you did something wrong, but guess what? 86 00:04:05,413 --> 00:04:06,947 What? You didn't, so... 87 00:04:06,947 --> 00:04:07,581 Yeah. 88 00:04:07,581 --> 00:04:09,249 You got a cab out front? 89 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:10,318 Yeah. Come back when it's over? 90 00:04:10,318 --> 00:04:11,819 Thanks. 91 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:12,820 You make a pick? 92 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:14,388 Oakland over Dallas. 93 00:04:14,388 --> 00:04:15,656 Okay. It's a lock. 94 00:04:15,656 --> 00:04:16,957 Okay. 95 00:04:16,957 --> 00:04:18,959 Everybody's staying away, because they want 96 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:20,227 to keep Oakland down the road. 97 00:04:20,227 --> 00:04:21,962 But if you're like me, you're not as impressed 98 00:04:21,962 --> 00:04:23,063 with the pre-season hype. 99 00:04:23,063 --> 00:04:24,365 You pick the Raiders at home 100 00:04:24,365 --> 00:04:25,599 and you bank on them not being 101 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,668 a prohibitive favorite going into the playoffs. 102 00:04:27,668 --> 00:04:29,002 Okay. 103 00:04:29,002 --> 00:04:31,004 You think I should take Tennessee over Detroit? 104 00:04:31,004 --> 00:04:32,640 I didn't say that. You said it with your eyes. 105 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,807 Okay. 106 00:04:33,807 --> 00:04:34,908 I'll take Tennessee over Detroit. 107 00:04:34,908 --> 00:04:36,744 I'm writing it down. Write it down. 108 00:04:36,744 --> 00:04:38,712 Wait. No, give me Oakland over Dallas. 109 00:04:38,712 --> 00:04:39,847 Okay. 110 00:04:39,847 --> 00:04:41,515 Except make it New Orleans over Atlanta. 111 00:04:41,515 --> 00:04:42,750 The first game's about to start. 112 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:44,184 New Orleans over Atlanta. 113 00:04:44,184 --> 00:04:45,218 I'm writing it down. Write it down. 114 00:04:45,218 --> 00:04:46,219 Good afternoon. 115 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:47,254 Hey, Charlie. 116 00:04:47,254 --> 00:04:48,255 How was church? 117 00:04:48,255 --> 00:04:49,256 It sucked. It was fine. 118 00:04:49,256 --> 00:04:50,558 Stop it. It sucked. 119 00:04:50,558 --> 00:04:51,892 You're talking about church. 120 00:04:51,892 --> 00:04:53,627 Oh, like I'm not already going to hell. 121 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:54,695 What was the problem? 122 00:04:54,695 --> 00:04:56,196 He feels the homily lacked panache. 123 00:04:56,196 --> 00:04:57,931 It did lack panache. 124 00:04:57,931 --> 00:05:01,001 It was a perfectly lovely homily on Ephesians 5:21. 125 00:05:01,001 --> 00:05:03,771 "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved 126 00:05:03,771 --> 00:05:06,374 the Church and gave Himself up for her." 127 00:05:06,374 --> 00:05:08,409 Yeah, she's skipping over the part that says 128 00:05:08,409 --> 00:05:10,444 "Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. 129 00:05:10,444 --> 00:05:12,245 "For the husband is the head of the wife 130 00:05:12,245 --> 00:05:13,614 as Christ is the head of the Church." 131 00:05:13,614 --> 00:05:14,815 I do skip over that part. 132 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:15,949 Why? 133 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:17,117 Because it's stupid! Okay. 134 00:05:17,117 --> 00:05:19,420 "Husbands, love your wives 135 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:22,222 "as Christ loved the Church 136 00:05:22,222 --> 00:05:23,791 "and gave himself up for her 137 00:05:23,791 --> 00:05:25,726 "that he might sanctify her 138 00:05:25,726 --> 00:05:28,862 "having cleansed her by washing of water with the word 139 00:05:28,862 --> 00:05:31,264 "that he might present the Church 140 00:05:31,264 --> 00:05:33,000 to himself in..." something. 141 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,102 "In splendor," and I have no problem with Ephesians. 142 00:05:35,102 --> 00:05:37,004 And anytime you want me to cleanse you 143 00:05:37,004 --> 00:05:39,139 with the washing of water, you know I'm up for it. 144 00:05:39,139 --> 00:05:40,207 Then what is your problem? 145 00:05:40,207 --> 00:05:42,109 Hackery. This guy was a hack. 146 00:05:42,109 --> 00:05:43,276 He had a captive audience. 147 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:44,945 And the way I know that is that I tried 148 00:05:44,945 --> 00:05:46,780 to tunnel out of there several times. 149 00:05:46,780 --> 00:05:50,250 He had an audience, and he didn't know what to do with it. 150 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:51,619 It couldn't have hurt. Oh, God, oh! 151 00:05:51,619 --> 00:05:53,286 Words, words, when spoken out loud 152 00:05:53,286 --> 00:05:55,423 for the sake of performance, are music. 153 00:05:55,423 --> 00:05:57,725 They have rhythm and pitch and timbre and volume. 154 00:05:57,725 --> 00:05:59,192 These are the properties of music 155 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:01,929 and music has the ability to find us and move us 156 00:06:01,929 --> 00:06:05,065 and lift us up in ways that literal meaning can't. 157 00:06:05,065 --> 00:06:06,667 You are an oratorical snob. 158 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:08,469 Yes, I am, and God loves me for it. 159 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:10,303 You said He was sending you to hell. 160 00:06:10,303 --> 00:06:11,472 For other stuff, not for this. 161 00:06:11,472 --> 00:06:14,274 You can't just trot out Ephesians-- 162 00:06:14,274 --> 00:06:16,510 It has nothing to do with husbands and wives. 163 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:18,345 It's all of us. 164 00:06:18,345 --> 00:06:20,414 St. Paul begins the passage, "Be subject to one another 165 00:06:20,414 --> 00:06:21,782 out of reverence to Christ." 166 00:06:21,782 --> 00:06:23,784 "Be subject to one another..." 167 00:06:23,784 --> 00:06:26,754 In this day and age of 24-hour cable crap 168 00:06:26,754 --> 00:06:28,656 devoted to feeding the voyeuristic gluttony 169 00:06:28,656 --> 00:06:30,858 of an American public hooked on a bad soap opera 170 00:06:30,858 --> 00:06:33,293 that's passing itself off as important 171 00:06:33,293 --> 00:06:35,062 don't you think you might be able 172 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:37,364 to find some relevance in Verse 21? 173 00:06:37,364 --> 00:06:40,601 How do we end the cycle? "Be subject to one another." 174 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:42,102 So, this is about you. No, it's not about me. 175 00:06:42,102 --> 00:06:43,437 Yes, it is about me, 176 00:06:43,437 --> 00:06:44,905 but tomorrow, it'll be about somebody else. 177 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:47,407 We'll watch Larry King and see who. 178 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:48,909 All hacks off the stage, right now! 179 00:06:48,909 --> 00:06:50,678 That's a national security order. 180 00:06:50,678 --> 00:06:51,945 I'm going to the residence. 181 00:06:51,945 --> 00:06:53,914 I'm taking a bath. I'm turning on Sinatra. 182 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:56,617 How does Mrs. Sinatra feel about that? Peace be with you. 183 00:06:56,617 --> 00:06:58,486 * You make me egg foo yung... * 184 00:06:58,486 --> 00:07:00,320 Good morning, Mr. President. 185 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,956 * You make me feel there are songs to be sung... * 186 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:04,091 He's feisty. 187 00:07:04,091 --> 00:07:05,959 Please, don't ask him about church. 188 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:07,127 No, I won't. 189 00:07:07,127 --> 00:07:08,095 I'm sorry, Mr. President. 190 00:07:08,095 --> 00:07:09,129 Melissa Markey died. 191 00:07:11,965 --> 00:07:14,001 Yeah, okay. 192 00:07:16,003 --> 00:07:18,872 Oh, damn. 193 00:07:18,872 --> 00:07:20,941 Charlie, can I see Leo? 194 00:07:20,941 --> 00:07:22,776 Yes, sir. She would've lost 195 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:23,911 too much blood at the scene, Jed. 196 00:07:23,911 --> 00:07:25,479 She didn't have a chance. 197 00:07:25,479 --> 00:07:27,948 Yeah. 198 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:29,082 All right... 199 00:07:29,082 --> 00:07:31,451 I'll be over in the residence. 200 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,053 I've got to see Babish this afternoon. 201 00:07:33,053 --> 00:07:34,788 Okay. 202 00:07:41,595 --> 00:07:43,831 When do you think I should go in there? 203 00:07:43,831 --> 00:07:47,200 I'd wait a couple of hours till we have some more facts. 204 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,202 You'll talk to the Sheriff's Office and... 205 00:07:49,202 --> 00:07:50,638 Yeah. 206 00:07:50,638 --> 00:07:52,806 I guess the D.A. 207 00:07:52,806 --> 00:07:54,842 Yeah, but you don't want to walk too far into that. 208 00:07:54,842 --> 00:07:55,643 Yeah. 209 00:07:55,643 --> 00:07:56,910 Good morning. 210 00:07:56,910 --> 00:07:57,545 You heard? 211 00:07:57,545 --> 00:07:58,879 Yeah. 212 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:00,247 C.J. thinks I should wait a few hours. 213 00:08:00,247 --> 00:08:01,882 I would. 214 00:08:01,882 --> 00:08:03,216 Okay. 215 00:08:03,216 --> 00:08:04,618 Thank you, Mr. President. 216 00:08:04,618 --> 00:08:06,386 Be subject to one another, Leo. 217 00:08:06,386 --> 00:08:08,689 What can I do to be of subject to you? 218 00:08:08,689 --> 00:08:09,890 I'm fine. 219 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:10,691 Yeah? 220 00:08:10,691 --> 00:08:11,925 I've got Margaret. 221 00:08:11,925 --> 00:08:12,760 Okay. 222 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,529 ( sighs ) 223 00:08:20,768 --> 00:08:23,170 I think you should send Hoynes to Texas. 224 00:08:25,539 --> 00:08:27,040 He's not going to want to do it. 225 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,509 What do you care? 226 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:31,945 I'm meeting with Adamley. What about? 227 00:08:31,945 --> 00:08:34,081 He wants to talk to me about the War Crimes Tribunal. 228 00:08:34,081 --> 00:08:36,550 Keep me out of it, all right? Yeah. 229 00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:39,186 You think I should send Hoynes to Texas? 230 00:08:39,186 --> 00:08:41,388 Yeah. 231 00:08:41,388 --> 00:08:44,091 All right, get him over here. 232 00:08:44,091 --> 00:08:45,492 Now? Yeah. 233 00:08:45,492 --> 00:08:48,261 Thank you, Mr. President. 234 00:08:50,397 --> 00:08:52,365 CALLEY: This proceeding is known as a deposition. 235 00:08:52,365 --> 00:08:53,567 The person transcribing 236 00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:55,068 the deposition is a House reporter 237 00:08:55,068 --> 00:08:56,837 and although she's not a notary public 238 00:08:56,837 --> 00:08:59,472 you were just sworn in by a notary public 239 00:08:59,472 --> 00:09:01,208 Do you understand? DONNA: Yes. 240 00:09:01,208 --> 00:09:03,243 Because you were placed under oath 241 00:09:03,243 --> 00:09:06,379 your testimony here today has the same force and effect 242 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:07,547 as if you were testifying 243 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:10,618 before the Committee in a courtroom. 244 00:09:10,618 --> 00:09:12,620 This Committee has been granted authorization 245 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:15,555 pursuant to House Resolution 173. 246 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:17,858 I'm Majority Counsel for the House Government 247 00:09:17,858 --> 00:09:19,426 Oversight and Reform Committee. 248 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,461 Would you state your full name for the record, please? 249 00:09:21,461 --> 00:09:23,196 Donnatella Moss. 250 00:09:23,196 --> 00:09:26,333 D-o-n-n-a-t-e-l-l-a. 251 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:28,368 M-o-s-s. 252 00:09:28,368 --> 00:09:30,170 At this point, I'd like the record to indicate 253 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:32,806 that Majority Counsel has met the witness 254 00:09:32,806 --> 00:09:35,108 Without objection, I'd like to proceed. No objection. 255 00:09:35,108 --> 00:09:37,210 Counsel? No objection. 256 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:38,612 I'd also like to express 257 00:09:38,612 --> 00:09:41,481 the Committee's appreciation to the witness 258 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:43,617 voluntarily or as the result of a subpoena? 259 00:09:43,617 --> 00:09:45,385 A subpoena. 260 00:09:45,385 --> 00:09:47,354 Donna, this is going to be easy. 261 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:48,588 You can laugh. 262 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:49,990 Were you recently asked to help 263 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:51,692 organize documents, pursuant 264 00:09:51,692 --> 00:09:52,926 to this Committee's current investigation? 265 00:09:52,926 --> 00:09:54,327 Yes. 266 00:09:54,327 --> 00:09:56,163 Would you describe how that worked? 267 00:09:56,163 --> 00:09:58,031 On instructions from Joshua Lyman 268 00:09:58,031 --> 00:10:00,100 and the White House Counsel's Office 269 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,069 I took over a storage room at the OEOB 270 00:10:02,069 --> 00:10:04,371 and began sorting through any interoffice 271 00:10:04,371 --> 00:10:06,139 or interdepartmental documents 272 00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:08,776 both from the campaign and from the West Wing. 273 00:10:08,776 --> 00:10:10,343 Now, for the record, the campaign 274 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:11,311 you're referring to is...? 275 00:10:11,311 --> 00:10:12,479 Bartlet for America. 276 00:10:12,479 --> 00:10:14,247 How'd you guys do? We won. 277 00:10:14,247 --> 00:10:16,984 Okay, my colleagues are going to ask you some questions. 278 00:10:16,984 --> 00:10:18,952 Then we'll get back to me and finish up. 279 00:10:18,952 --> 00:10:21,154 Okay. MAN: Ms. Moss? 280 00:10:21,154 --> 00:10:22,522 Do you keep a photo album? 281 00:10:22,522 --> 00:10:23,857 No. 282 00:10:23,857 --> 00:10:25,392 Okay, do you keep... 283 00:10:25,392 --> 00:10:26,960 I'm sorry, I keep photographs. 284 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,595 I don't have them in an album. 285 00:10:28,595 --> 00:10:31,264 Okay. Do you keep a scrapbook? 286 00:10:31,264 --> 00:10:33,734 No. Do you keep letters, notes or other 287 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:35,969 correspondence you receive from people? 288 00:10:35,969 --> 00:10:38,205 Sometimes a birthday card or a letter from my father. 289 00:10:38,205 --> 00:10:40,107 Do you keep a diary? No. 290 00:10:40,107 --> 00:10:43,811 Okay, do you receive gifts from anyone who's currently... 291 00:10:43,811 --> 00:10:45,045 I'm sorry, hang on. 292 00:10:45,045 --> 00:10:46,680 Would you read that back? 293 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,849 Question: "Do you keep a diary." 294 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:51,218 Answer: "No." 295 00:10:51,218 --> 00:10:53,020 Question: "Okay, do you receive gifts from...?" 296 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:54,321 Okay. 297 00:10:54,321 --> 00:10:55,555 Okay. 298 00:10:55,555 --> 00:10:56,890 Go ahead. 299 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:58,225 Do you receive gifts 300 00:10:58,225 --> 00:11:01,561 from anyone who is currently 301 00:11:01,561 --> 00:11:03,964 ( thunder rumbling ) 302 00:11:13,473 --> 00:11:14,407 C.J.: How are you doing? 303 00:11:14,407 --> 00:11:15,943 Good. 304 00:11:15,943 --> 00:11:17,077 You're sitting in my chair. 305 00:11:17,077 --> 00:11:19,046 It didn't have a plaque on it. 306 00:11:19,046 --> 00:11:20,647 ( chuckling ): I've missed you. Yeah. 307 00:11:20,647 --> 00:11:21,882 You've been gone three weeks. 308 00:11:21,882 --> 00:11:23,416 I've been gone two and a half years. 309 00:11:23,416 --> 00:11:25,385 Really? Yes. 310 00:11:25,385 --> 00:11:26,887 I thought you were our man in Myanmar. 311 00:11:26,887 --> 00:11:28,722 I got kicked out of Myanmar. 312 00:11:28,722 --> 00:11:30,123 Will, is there a third world country 313 00:11:30,123 --> 00:11:31,424 you haven't been kicked out of? 314 00:11:31,424 --> 00:11:33,226 Hey, I've been kicked out of plenty 315 00:11:33,226 --> 00:11:34,962 of industrialized nations, too. 316 00:11:34,962 --> 00:11:36,764 Why'd they kick you out? Well, first of all 317 00:11:36,764 --> 00:11:38,131 they didn't kick me out exactly. 318 00:11:38,131 --> 00:11:39,399 In fact, they love me in Myanmar. 319 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,068 What happened? 320 00:11:41,068 --> 00:11:42,836 They put a bounty on my head. 321 00:11:42,836 --> 00:11:44,271 ( laughing ) It's not funny. 322 00:11:44,271 --> 00:11:46,573 The Myanmarese government is built 323 00:11:46,573 --> 00:11:48,041 on narcotics trafficking. 324 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,177 Myanmar, Thailand, Laos. 325 00:11:50,177 --> 00:11:52,579 I was this close to the story. 326 00:11:52,579 --> 00:11:55,582 Yeah? I had interviews with Peng Jiasheng 327 00:11:55,582 --> 00:11:56,984 Pau Yukiang, Li Zuru. 328 00:11:56,984 --> 00:11:58,752 I was tight with narco-barons. 329 00:11:58,752 --> 00:12:00,788 Until? The Myanmarese army... 330 00:12:00,788 --> 00:12:02,589 ...put a bounty on your head. 331 00:12:02,589 --> 00:12:03,991 Yeah. How'd you know? 332 00:12:03,991 --> 00:12:05,759 The State Department came and got me. 333 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,494 Oh, that had to be embarrassing 334 00:12:07,494 --> 00:12:10,430 in front of your narco-baron friends. 335 00:12:10,430 --> 00:12:12,465 I'm assigned to the White House Press Corps 336 00:12:12,465 --> 00:12:15,769 until they can find me, you know, a reporting job. 337 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,437 No. No offense taken. 338 00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:20,473 Thanks. 339 00:12:20,473 --> 00:12:22,609 I have a quote if you want to comment. 340 00:12:22,609 --> 00:12:24,311 What is it? 341 00:12:24,311 --> 00:12:26,213 Toby Ziegler says, "If the President wins reelection 342 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:27,881 it'll be on the Vice President's coattails." 343 00:12:27,881 --> 00:12:29,482 If the President wins reelection 344 00:12:29,482 --> 00:12:31,718 it'll be on the Vice President's coattails? 345 00:12:31,718 --> 00:12:33,253 I think that's, uh... 346 00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:34,587 yeah. 347 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:35,688 He said this to you? 348 00:12:35,688 --> 00:12:36,824 No. Where'd you get it? 349 00:12:36,824 --> 00:12:39,592 The person he said it to. 350 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,428 give me a little time to check it out, would you? 351 00:12:41,428 --> 00:12:42,963 Yeah. 352 00:12:42,963 --> 00:12:44,898 You've been gone two and a half years? 353 00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:46,733 Yeah. It seemed like less than that. 354 00:12:46,733 --> 00:12:50,904 People lose all track of time and space when I'm not around. 355 00:12:50,904 --> 00:12:53,006 Yeah. 356 00:12:54,541 --> 00:12:58,478 SAM: It's $30 billion in School Modernization Bonds. 357 00:12:58,478 --> 00:12:59,646 Thanks, Ginger. 358 00:12:59,646 --> 00:13:01,114 Thank you. Sure. 359 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:04,818 It's $30 billion in School Modernization Bonds. 360 00:13:04,818 --> 00:13:07,054 Interest free for school districts. 361 00:13:07,054 --> 00:13:09,689 We're estimating it will help build and modernize 362 00:13:09,689 --> 00:13:11,091 7,000 schools nationwide. 363 00:13:11,091 --> 00:13:13,326 There's another $1.5 billion for urgent repairs 364 00:13:13,326 --> 00:13:16,363 targeted to high-need districts. 365 00:13:16,363 --> 00:13:19,599 Roof repairs, heating and cooling systems, electrical wiring. 366 00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:21,634 The point is, we think we need the Congressman's vote 367 00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:23,904 to get it out of the Appropriations Committee and onto the floor. 368 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:25,505 He'll be with it. That's what I thought. 369 00:13:25,505 --> 00:13:27,074 He's just looking for the President's support 370 00:13:27,074 --> 00:13:28,508 on a bill that he'll be sponsoring. 371 00:13:28,508 --> 00:13:29,943 What's it called? 372 00:13:29,943 --> 00:13:31,544 It's called the "Legal Tender Modernization Act." 373 00:13:31,544 --> 00:13:33,013 Which provides for? 374 00:13:33,013 --> 00:13:35,015 The elimination of the penny. I'm sorry? 375 00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:37,384 It would permanently halt production of the penny. 376 00:13:37,384 --> 00:13:38,385 Why? 377 00:13:38,385 --> 00:13:39,519 I'm glad you asked. 378 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:40,620 Yeah. 379 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:43,156 Last year, the U.S. Mint cut 14 billion pennies 380 00:13:43,156 --> 00:13:44,858 and shipped them off to the Federal Reserve 381 00:13:44,858 --> 00:13:46,159 which dumped them in our laps. 382 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:47,928 They're worthless. 383 00:13:47,928 --> 00:13:49,729 Well, they're actually worth one cent. 384 00:13:49,729 --> 00:13:51,698 The dollar has the buying power today 385 00:13:51,698 --> 00:13:53,033 that the quarter had 30 years ago. 386 00:13:53,033 --> 00:13:54,701 The penny's buying power's shrunk to nothing. 387 00:13:54,701 --> 00:13:56,303 Well, that's not true-- you can get yourself a gumball. 388 00:13:56,303 --> 00:13:57,770 No, you can't. They cost a nickel. 389 00:13:57,770 --> 00:13:59,606 Really? 390 00:13:59,606 --> 00:14:02,175 I'm going to need to give the Congressman a good reason 391 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:04,311 why the White House won't support the bill 392 00:14:04,311 --> 00:14:06,079 if they won't support the bill. 393 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:07,915 Oh, don't make me give you a good reason. 394 00:14:07,915 --> 00:14:10,217 You want your $30 billion in school repairs? 395 00:14:10,217 --> 00:14:11,919 Well, we're already well on our way 396 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:13,186 with 140 million pennies. 397 00:14:13,186 --> 00:14:14,888 Sam... I'll get you a good reason. 398 00:14:16,289 --> 00:14:17,991 Charlie? 399 00:14:17,991 --> 00:14:20,027 Yes, sir. 400 00:14:20,027 --> 00:14:21,628 You took Indianapolis? 401 00:14:21,628 --> 00:14:23,130 Yes, sir. 402 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:25,498 You didn't want to take Kansas City over Arizona? 403 00:14:25,498 --> 00:14:26,699 No, sir. 404 00:14:26,699 --> 00:14:28,835 Kansas City's got three players out of Notre Dame. 405 00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:30,938 Yes, sir. 406 00:14:30,938 --> 00:14:33,140 that's got more players out of Notre Dame. 407 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:34,607 That's a heck of a system, sir. 408 00:14:34,607 --> 00:14:36,276 What's your system? 409 00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:38,845 I compare the team's record to the record of its opponent. 410 00:14:38,845 --> 00:14:39,980 That's a little simplistic, isn't it? 411 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:41,114 Yes, sir. 412 00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:42,149 Excuse me, Mr. President? 413 00:14:42,149 --> 00:14:43,083 Yeah. The Vice President. 414 00:14:43,083 --> 00:14:45,285 Thank you. 415 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:47,955 Charlie. Sir. 416 00:14:47,955 --> 00:14:49,222 Hey, John. 417 00:14:49,222 --> 00:14:50,223 Good afternoon, sir. 418 00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:51,558 Do you know this church? 419 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:54,261 No. 420 00:14:54,261 --> 00:14:57,564 No. Listen, you feel like having a beer with me? 421 00:14:57,564 --> 00:14:59,899 On Sundays, when we got back from church 422 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,668 my father would let my brother and me split a beer. 423 00:15:01,668 --> 00:15:03,170 It got to be a habit. 424 00:15:03,170 --> 00:15:04,904 You mind if I split some water with you? Nancy. 425 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,174 I need you to go to Texas, John. 426 00:15:07,174 --> 00:15:10,277 Nancy, could I get a cold beer and some ice water? 427 00:15:10,277 --> 00:15:11,078 Yes, sir. 428 00:15:11,078 --> 00:15:12,179 And close the door, please. 429 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,583 You want to send me to Texas? 430 00:15:16,583 --> 00:15:18,218 It's what Texans do. 431 00:15:18,218 --> 00:15:20,153 You know, a decade ago 432 00:15:20,153 --> 00:15:22,389 we passed a few national gun control laws 433 00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:24,857 and the gun lobby turned its back on Congress 434 00:15:24,857 --> 00:15:27,127 and started focusing on the states. 435 00:15:27,127 --> 00:15:29,296 The NRA systematically worked the legislatures 436 00:15:29,296 --> 00:15:31,331 to weaken conceal-and-carry laws 437 00:15:31,331 --> 00:15:34,034 the effect of which is to increase gun sales 438 00:15:34,034 --> 00:15:36,169 and pad its own membership. 439 00:15:36,169 --> 00:15:38,405 Well, I don't necessarily agree with that, but... 440 00:15:38,405 --> 00:15:40,273 The National Conference of State Legislatures is meeting 441 00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:42,442 next weekend at the Convention Center in San Antonio. 442 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,544 And you want me to go to Texas and speak for you. 443 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:45,345 Yeah. 444 00:15:45,345 --> 00:15:46,313 'Cause that's what Texans do. 445 00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:50,550 It's also what Vice Presidents do. 446 00:15:52,719 --> 00:15:53,320 ( knocking ) 447 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:01,728 Thank you, Nancy. 448 00:16:05,798 --> 00:16:08,101 Thank you, Nancy. 449 00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:14,807 Alan? 450 00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:15,708 Hey! 451 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:19,279 ( pats shoulder ) Come on back. 452 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,582 Thanks for taking the time. 453 00:16:22,582 --> 00:16:23,783 No, no. 454 00:16:23,783 --> 00:16:25,852 So how did it go? 455 00:16:25,852 --> 00:16:27,620 It was a good trip. 456 00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:29,156 I met with, uh, Hassan 457 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:31,424 and I met with the Aviation Prince. 458 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:33,793 You know what we need in this country? 459 00:16:33,793 --> 00:16:34,627 An Aviation Prince. 460 00:16:34,627 --> 00:16:35,628 That's right. 461 00:16:35,628 --> 00:16:37,597 Well, let me tell you something. 462 00:16:37,597 --> 00:16:40,367 Sultan Bin Abu Azir ain't what he used to be. 463 00:16:40,367 --> 00:16:42,202 Last time I was in Kuwait 464 00:16:42,202 --> 00:16:44,604 he gave me a gold inlay Gadara sword 465 00:16:44,604 --> 00:16:45,772 What'd you get this time? 466 00:16:45,772 --> 00:16:47,440 Nothing. 467 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,142 You want to down to the Situation Room 468 00:16:49,142 --> 00:16:50,810 blow 'em off the face of the Earth? 469 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:51,878 Yeah. 470 00:16:51,878 --> 00:16:53,546 So... 471 00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:56,516 The, uh, NSC Communications Office cabled me a draft 472 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:59,018 of the President's radio address for next weekend. 473 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:00,520 Alan, it's a... 474 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,855 "At the close of the last World War 475 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:05,525 "our nation was instrumental in the creation 476 00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:07,227 "of both the United Nations 477 00:17:07,227 --> 00:17:09,696 "and the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal. 478 00:17:09,696 --> 00:17:11,831 "Now at the dawn of the millennium 479 00:17:11,831 --> 00:17:14,934 we cannot betray that tradition of moral leadership." 480 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:16,002 He's made up his mind. 481 00:17:16,002 --> 00:17:17,036 It's an early draft. 482 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:18,705 It's not a big thing. 483 00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:21,508 Well, I know that Hutchinson and Berryhill are for it 484 00:17:21,508 --> 00:17:23,310 but, to me, to Fitzwallace, the Pentagon 485 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:26,346 the House and the Senate Armed Services 486 00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:28,948 and House and Senate Foreign Relations 487 00:17:28,948 --> 00:17:31,384 it's a thing of catastrophic proportions. 488 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:32,885 Let's go inside and talk. 489 00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:36,123 ( thunder rumbling ) 490 00:17:36,123 --> 00:17:37,957 Hey. Uh, I'm-I'm not here. 491 00:17:37,957 --> 00:17:40,727 I called you at home and had you paged. 492 00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:42,562 Yeah. I didn't know you were here. 493 00:17:42,562 --> 00:17:44,131 I'm not. 494 00:17:44,131 --> 00:17:45,998 I think the jig is up. 495 00:17:45,998 --> 00:17:47,867 Clearly I'm here, but I'm not open for business. 496 00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:50,036 I heard the President was meeting with Hoynes 497 00:17:50,036 --> 00:17:51,738 so I-I-I wanted to see how it goes. 498 00:17:51,738 --> 00:17:53,140 Listen... 499 00:17:53,140 --> 00:17:55,975 And I see you picked Chicago over Cincinnati 500 00:17:55,975 --> 00:17:59,146 why your money's going to be in my pocket. 501 00:17:59,146 --> 00:18:02,782 it's going to be on the Vice President's coattails. 502 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:07,053 I-I-I just said... that exact same thing a couple of days ago. 503 00:18:07,053 --> 00:18:08,821 I know. You know how I know? 504 00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:10,390 Will Sawyer just told me. 505 00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:12,459 Will Sawyer's in Myanmar. 506 00:18:12,459 --> 00:18:14,327 He got kicked out of Myanmar. He's in the Room now. 507 00:18:14,327 --> 00:18:16,396 C.J., I said it... 508 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:19,599 I said it in that W.A. meeting. 509 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:21,568 I said it at the end of the meeting. 510 00:18:21,568 --> 00:18:25,238 We were talking about areas 511 00:18:25,238 --> 00:18:27,607 where Hoynes is polling stronger than... 512 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,342 It was... 513 00:18:29,342 --> 00:18:31,644 ( awkward chuckle ) 514 00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:34,514 I said to our own... 515 00:18:37,317 --> 00:18:38,885 ( sighing ) 516 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:40,187 Do I have a little time? 517 00:18:40,187 --> 00:18:41,754 A little. Thank you. 518 00:18:41,754 --> 00:18:43,089 You're here now? 519 00:18:43,089 --> 00:18:44,123 ( chuckling ) 520 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:45,225 Yeah. 521 00:18:51,798 --> 00:18:53,533 Ginger! 522 00:18:56,203 --> 00:18:59,005 I want you to page every junior staffer and senior assistant 523 00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:01,208 who works in the West Wing. 524 00:19:01,208 --> 00:19:03,009 I want them to assemble downstairs 525 00:19:03,009 --> 00:19:05,044 in the mess in two hours. 526 00:19:05,044 --> 00:19:07,447 If they can't be here in two hours 527 00:19:07,447 --> 00:19:09,516 then they don't need to come in tomorrow morning. 528 00:19:13,253 --> 00:19:15,688 ( thunder cracking ) 529 00:19:26,666 --> 00:19:27,867 Hey. 530 00:19:27,867 --> 00:19:28,968 How you doing? 531 00:19:28,968 --> 00:19:30,770 How'd you get here before me? 532 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:32,138 I drove. 533 00:19:32,138 --> 00:19:35,107 Should you be here? No. 534 00:19:35,107 --> 00:19:37,410 Then what are you...? I need to know why you lied before. 535 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:38,945 When? Donna-- 536 00:19:38,945 --> 00:19:40,046 I didn't lie. 537 00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:41,147 I saw your diary. 538 00:19:41,147 --> 00:19:42,882 When I was over that night. 539 00:19:42,882 --> 00:19:45,017 You keep a diary. 540 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:45,952 Why'd you say you didn't? 541 00:19:45,952 --> 00:19:47,687 I don't keep a diary. 542 00:19:47,687 --> 00:19:50,657 I saw it. You didn't, because there is no diary... 543 00:19:50,657 --> 00:19:54,561 Now what's in it that you had to lie to the Committee? 544 00:19:54,561 --> 00:19:57,730 You're lead counsel for the Committee 545 00:19:57,730 --> 00:20:00,166 and the President of the United States. That's right. 546 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,568 And I thought you were a little bit smarmy 547 00:20:01,568 --> 00:20:03,270 with your "Donna, it's okay, you can laugh, you're..." 548 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:04,237 Was that charm? Tell me what... 549 00:20:04,237 --> 00:20:05,938 There is no diary. 550 00:20:05,938 --> 00:20:09,876 18 U.S.C., 1-0-0-1, Lying to Congress 551 00:20:09,876 --> 00:20:12,211 $10,000 and not more than five years in prison. 552 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:13,980 Cliff... 18 U.S.C., 1-5-0-5 553 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:15,948 Obstruction of Proceedings Before Departments 554 00:20:15,948 --> 00:20:18,351 Agencies and Committees: not more than five years. 555 00:20:18,351 --> 00:20:21,053 Two U.S.C., 192, Contempt of Congress: 556 00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,188 a thousand dollars 557 00:20:22,188 --> 00:20:23,990 and imprisonment in a common jail 558 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:25,358 for not more than 12 months. 559 00:20:25,358 --> 00:20:27,026 It was a perfectly innocent mistake. 560 00:20:27,026 --> 00:20:29,762 Now let me talk to your lawyer and help you walk this back. 561 00:20:29,762 --> 00:20:32,499 Just out of curiosity, what would you say? 562 00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:35,668 That you thought you saw a diary 563 00:20:35,668 --> 00:20:37,304 while you were hunting around 564 00:20:37,304 --> 00:20:39,038 for your boxer shorts? 565 00:20:39,038 --> 00:20:40,740 You shouldn't be here. 566 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:53,386 Why? 567 00:20:53,386 --> 00:20:55,187 Why? Yes. 568 00:20:55,187 --> 00:20:57,189 is populated with unbalanced people 569 00:20:57,189 --> 00:20:59,659 many of whom find their way to Washington 570 00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:03,296 as if the continent funnels them into this one spot. 571 00:21:03,296 --> 00:21:05,465 He doesn't want to abolish it as much as he wants 572 00:21:05,465 --> 00:21:07,634 to give his boss a reason why we can't. 573 00:21:07,634 --> 00:21:09,268 Well... it's stupid. 574 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:11,704 Yeah, the thing is, it isn't really. 575 00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:13,105 Turns out the majority 576 00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:15,508 of pennies don't circulate. 577 00:21:15,508 --> 00:21:17,710 Two-thirds of the pennies produced in the last 30 years 578 00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:18,745 have dropped out of circulation. 579 00:21:18,745 --> 00:21:19,979 You've been reading about this? 580 00:21:19,979 --> 00:21:21,514 It's interesting. 581 00:21:21,514 --> 00:21:22,949 No, it's not. 582 00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:24,517 The Mint gets letters 583 00:21:24,517 --> 00:21:26,886 with pennies taped on notebook paper 584 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:28,988 from citizens who found the pennies on the street 585 00:21:28,988 --> 00:21:30,156 and mailed them back to the Treasury 586 00:21:30,156 --> 00:21:31,223 to help pay down the debt. 587 00:21:31,223 --> 00:21:33,225 It's almost hard to believe 588 00:21:33,225 --> 00:21:35,828 It's also bad for the environment. 589 00:21:35,828 --> 00:21:37,964 of millions of tons of copper and zinc each year. 590 00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:38,731 Zinc? In 1982 591 00:21:38,731 --> 00:21:40,232 they changed the composition 592 00:21:40,232 --> 00:21:43,002 to 97.5 percent zinc, and only 2.5 percent copper. 593 00:21:43,002 --> 00:21:44,437 Sam? 594 00:21:44,437 --> 00:21:45,705 I'm turning into one of the funnel people? 595 00:21:45,705 --> 00:21:48,575 Yeah. 596 00:21:48,575 --> 00:21:51,711 Donna thinks you're still pissed at her. 597 00:21:51,711 --> 00:21:52,779 I'm not. 598 00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:53,780 I wasn't before. 599 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:55,081 When did she tell you that? 600 00:21:55,081 --> 00:21:57,083 Before she left. 601 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:58,084 You've heard from her? 602 00:21:58,084 --> 00:21:59,151 No. 603 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:01,087 She should be done by now. 604 00:22:01,087 --> 00:22:02,755 Here's a riddle. 605 00:22:02,755 --> 00:22:05,592 What is the most ubiquitous man-made object in America 606 00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:08,027 that does not interact with any mechanism or machine? 607 00:22:08,027 --> 00:22:09,796 The penny? 608 00:22:09,796 --> 00:22:10,863 The penny. 609 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,768 You can't even throw it in a tollbooth. 610 00:22:15,768 --> 00:22:18,137 Well, except for Illinois. 611 00:22:18,137 --> 00:22:20,172 Why can you use it in Illinois? 612 00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:21,173 That's an interesting question. 613 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:23,175 No, it's not. 614 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:24,644 Hey. Hey. 615 00:22:24,644 --> 00:22:26,479 I'm going to have something for you soon. 616 00:22:26,479 --> 00:22:27,880 Toby's talking to some people. 617 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,915 Okay. 618 00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,249 Hey, are you a king? 619 00:22:30,249 --> 00:22:32,184 No. 620 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,421 Somebody said you were hanging out with some tribe 621 00:22:34,421 --> 00:22:35,788 and they made you a king. 622 00:22:35,788 --> 00:22:36,889 I'm a god. 623 00:22:36,889 --> 00:22:37,990 Oh. 624 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:39,426 I'm the only white man 625 00:22:39,426 --> 00:22:41,728 to ever witness the sacrificial rites 626 00:22:41,728 --> 00:22:43,329 of the Bau Tribe of Fiji. 627 00:22:43,329 --> 00:22:45,097 I was almost a victim myself 628 00:22:45,097 --> 00:22:48,100 until they made me The Supporter of the World. 629 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,301 How'd you swing that? 630 00:22:49,301 --> 00:22:50,837 Using my Palm Pilot 631 00:22:50,837 --> 00:22:52,472 I convinced the Bau I had the power 632 00:22:52,472 --> 00:22:55,074 to make the gods' writing appear at will 633 00:22:55,074 --> 00:22:56,543 predict the next day's weather. 634 00:22:56,543 --> 00:22:58,077 So you're a god. 635 00:22:58,077 --> 00:23:00,112 I'm the God of Good Harvest and the Land of the Dead. 636 00:23:00,112 --> 00:23:01,848 I've got to go there and bring my laptop. 637 00:23:01,848 --> 00:23:03,115 It quacks when I have email. 638 00:23:03,115 --> 00:23:05,452 No, you're too tall. 639 00:23:05,452 --> 00:23:06,953 What would happen? 640 00:23:06,953 --> 00:23:10,122 They would paint your face and other body parts black 641 00:23:10,122 --> 00:23:12,859 so as to resemble a warrior ornamented for feast or combat. 642 00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:16,395 Then you would be garroted by a length of boar tripe. 643 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,466 Yeah. No, good safety tip. 644 00:23:19,466 --> 00:23:20,533 Alan Adamley here? 645 00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:22,234 Yeah. Why? 646 00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:24,303 He's meeting with Leo McGarry. 647 00:23:24,303 --> 00:23:27,974 Listen, you made a joke before about being assigned 648 00:23:27,974 --> 00:23:30,076 until you could get a real reporting job. 649 00:23:30,076 --> 00:23:31,277 Yeah. 650 00:23:31,277 --> 00:23:32,044 Was it a joke? 651 00:23:32,044 --> 00:23:33,179 Yeah. 652 00:23:33,179 --> 00:23:34,781 Okay. 653 00:23:34,781 --> 00:23:36,749 I'll have something for you on the other thing soon. 654 00:23:36,749 --> 00:23:37,550 Thanks. 655 00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:38,951 HOYNES: That's not true. 656 00:23:38,951 --> 00:23:40,286 John... 657 00:23:40,286 --> 00:23:41,921 It is not true, Mr. President. 658 00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:43,222 29 states have "shall issue" laws. 659 00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:46,258 And if you look at the State of New Jersey 660 00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:48,260 if you look at changing that one word... 661 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,829 Look, I'm not saying... 662 00:23:49,829 --> 00:23:52,565 ...changing that one word means law enforcement can decide 663 00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,066 who gets a concealed weapon 664 00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:56,536 and when and where they can carry it. 665 00:23:56,536 --> 00:23:58,204 in front of the legislature right now 666 00:23:58,204 --> 00:23:59,939 and you going down there... 667 00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:02,241 Me going down there is suicide, and you know it, sir. 668 00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:04,511 It's counter-scheduling. 669 00:24:04,511 --> 00:24:07,346 you tell them something they don't want to hear-- 670 00:24:07,346 --> 00:24:10,049 So the editors of the New York Times 671 00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:11,651 while the people who decide elections... 672 00:24:11,651 --> 00:24:13,152 You're a hero in Texas. 673 00:24:13,152 --> 00:24:14,687 I was a hero in Texas. 674 00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,255 Texans don't like that you have the courage 675 00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:17,524 of your convictions? 676 00:24:17,524 --> 00:24:19,325 They're not my convictions, they're yours. 677 00:24:19,325 --> 00:24:22,629 Oh, yeah, I forgot. 678 00:24:22,629 --> 00:24:24,296 ( sighing ) 679 00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:27,099 ( clearing throat ) 680 00:24:27,099 --> 00:24:29,636 Mr. President, we're not going to get anywhere 681 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:31,037 by treating gun owners 682 00:24:31,037 --> 00:24:32,104 like psychopaths. 683 00:24:32,104 --> 00:24:33,773 And particularly in the South 684 00:24:33,773 --> 00:24:35,407 where guns are a tradition 685 00:24:35,407 --> 00:24:38,745 and a heritage that's passed on from father to son. 686 00:24:38,745 --> 00:24:39,846 That's not good enough. 687 00:24:39,846 --> 00:24:40,847 Sir... A tradition 688 00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:42,849 passed on from father to son? 689 00:24:42,849 --> 00:24:44,617 We tamed the frontier, John. 690 00:24:44,617 --> 00:24:46,619 We did that already. 691 00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:49,155 you're taking advantage of the shooting in Abilene. 692 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,489 That you like it 693 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,124 when these things happen, 'cause it 694 00:24:52,124 --> 00:24:53,292 gives you a chance... 695 00:24:53,292 --> 00:24:55,628 Let them stand in this room and say that. 696 00:24:55,628 --> 00:24:56,763 On this day. 697 00:24:56,763 --> 00:24:58,297 Let them stand in this room. 698 00:24:58,297 --> 00:24:59,131 I like it?! 699 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,134 She was nine years old! 700 00:25:02,134 --> 00:25:02,902 ( knock at door ) 701 00:25:19,552 --> 00:25:20,887 Green Bay lost. 702 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:24,591 She was nine years old. 703 00:25:24,591 --> 00:25:25,858 You know, last month in Idaho 704 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:27,560 a man killed six members of his family 705 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,697 including his pregnant wife. 706 00:25:30,697 --> 00:25:32,732 And you know why the liberal intelligentsia 707 00:25:32,732 --> 00:25:34,033 didn't go crazy? 708 00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:35,935 'Cause he did it with an ax. 709 00:25:35,935 --> 00:25:38,104 You think we need ax control? 710 00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:40,206 Well... that is an excellent point. 711 00:25:40,206 --> 00:25:41,708 I never saw it that way. 712 00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:42,775 I'm playing devil's advocate. 713 00:25:42,775 --> 00:25:44,811 Tighter ax control. 714 00:25:44,811 --> 00:25:46,579 You come down on firearms, you come down on tobacco 715 00:25:46,579 --> 00:25:49,015 you come down on alcohol, but you let Griffith run around 716 00:25:49,015 --> 00:25:50,216 talking about legalizing marijuana. 717 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:51,818 She didn't... Sir... 718 00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:52,885 You know what? 719 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:54,520 Last year-- gun deaths? 720 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,755 30,708. 721 00:25:55,755 --> 00:25:57,189 Alcohol deaths? 722 00:25:57,189 --> 00:25:59,291 35,450. 723 00:25:59,291 --> 00:26:02,261 Tobacco deaths? 400,000. 724 00:26:02,261 --> 00:26:03,996 Marijuana deaths? Zero. 725 00:26:03,996 --> 00:26:05,965 This guy? The second shooter-- Rambo? 726 00:26:05,965 --> 00:26:08,067 He's going to get nothing; he's going to get a parade. 727 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:08,901 You know why? 728 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:10,102 There was no sign 729 00:26:10,102 --> 00:26:11,871 posted in the church saying you can't carry 730 00:26:11,871 --> 00:26:13,806 a concealed weapon. 731 00:26:13,806 --> 00:26:16,542 I'm just playing devil's advocate. 732 00:26:16,542 --> 00:26:18,745 She was nine years old. 733 00:26:18,745 --> 00:26:20,512 LEO: Two things-- 734 00:26:20,512 --> 00:26:23,315 one, technically it's not just a court for war crimes. 735 00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:24,851 Technically? 736 00:26:24,851 --> 00:26:28,220 And two: The President hasn't made up his mind yet. 737 00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:29,555 Well, the U.N. has. 738 00:26:29,555 --> 00:26:31,858 The U.N. made up its mind in 1948 739 00:26:31,858 --> 00:26:33,893 when they recognized the crime of genocide. 740 00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:35,461 Yes... A crime so immense 741 00:26:35,461 --> 00:26:37,630 as to exceed the jurisdiction 742 00:26:37,630 --> 00:26:39,666 of any single court or government. 743 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:41,734 Alan, systematic extermination of civilians 744 00:26:41,734 --> 00:26:43,903 enslavement, torture, rape, forced pregnancy 745 00:26:43,903 --> 00:26:45,872 terrorism-- doesn't the world need 746 00:26:45,872 --> 00:26:47,740 a permanent standing body...? 747 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:49,776 National sovereignty is at stake. 748 00:26:49,776 --> 00:26:51,844 Americans are answerable 749 00:26:51,844 --> 00:26:53,646 to no one but their own government 750 00:26:53,646 --> 00:26:55,181 and their own laws. 751 00:26:55,181 --> 00:26:56,816 And people need to be reminded 752 00:26:56,816 --> 00:26:57,917 that the U.N. is not a democratic organization. 753 00:26:57,917 --> 00:26:59,418 There's no input 754 00:26:59,418 --> 00:27:00,987 into its deliberations by any... 755 00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:05,357 Come on; the court is designed with plenty of safeguards 756 00:27:05,357 --> 00:27:07,159 if we don't subject ourselves to the treaty 757 00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:08,828 it will encourage other countries. 758 00:27:08,828 --> 00:27:11,030 Sure. And you don't think that'll undercut 759 00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:12,865 the U.N.'s campaign against war crimes? 760 00:27:12,865 --> 00:27:14,100 ( knock at door ) 761 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,968 Excuse me. 762 00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:19,238 Excuse me, General. Hey, Sam. 763 00:27:19,238 --> 00:27:21,107 If you're in the middle of something, I can come back. 764 00:27:21,107 --> 00:27:21,974 We're eliminating genocide. 765 00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,009 What are you doing? 766 00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:24,944 Eliminating the penny. 767 00:27:24,944 --> 00:27:26,946 So I'll come back. 768 00:27:26,946 --> 00:27:27,980 Yeah. See you later. 769 00:27:32,384 --> 00:27:34,186 Hey. Hi. 770 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:35,154 How did it go? 771 00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:36,055 It went fine. 772 00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:38,057 Just background, right? 773 00:27:38,057 --> 00:27:38,825 It was fine. 774 00:27:38,825 --> 00:27:40,292 Is Josh in his office? 775 00:27:40,292 --> 00:27:41,160 He's around someplace. 776 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,062 Thanks. 777 00:27:43,062 --> 00:27:45,164 Do you know the only thing pennies interact with 778 00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:46,532 are those coin wrapping machines 779 00:27:46,532 --> 00:27:47,934 people buy to get rid of pennies? 780 00:27:47,934 --> 00:27:49,235 Which kind of proves the point. 781 00:27:49,235 --> 00:27:51,203 What point? 782 00:27:51,203 --> 00:27:51,871 I don't know. 783 00:27:51,871 --> 00:27:53,172 It went okay? 784 00:27:53,172 --> 00:27:54,273 Fine. 785 00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:03,382 How'd it go? 786 00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:04,951 I really need to talk to you for a second. 787 00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,018 What happened? 788 00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:07,119 I need to just... 789 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,487 Can we go in your office? 790 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:09,688 Hey, how'd it go? Fine. 791 00:28:11,290 --> 00:28:12,424 What happened? 792 00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:14,660 I was asked if I kept a diary, and I said no 793 00:28:14,660 --> 00:28:16,162 only I do keep a diary. 794 00:28:16,162 --> 00:28:18,164 Why did you say you didn't? 795 00:28:18,164 --> 00:28:20,066 I don't know. What do you mean, you don't know? 796 00:28:20,066 --> 00:28:21,567 Nothing in the diary is relevant. 797 00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:22,468 Is there anyone on the witness list 798 00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:23,669 who knows you keep one? 799 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:25,471 There's nobody who knows I keep a diary 800 00:28:25,471 --> 00:28:26,338 except the thing is... 801 00:28:26,338 --> 00:28:27,706 Cliff saw it. 802 00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:29,608 What do you mean? Cliff came to me 803 00:28:29,608 --> 00:28:32,511 after the deposition and told me he saw the diary 804 00:28:32,511 --> 00:28:33,445 when he was in my apartment. 805 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:38,484 I swear it wasn't premeditated. 806 00:28:38,484 --> 00:28:39,986 Nothing in it was material... 807 00:28:39,986 --> 00:28:41,587 You don't get to decide that! 808 00:28:41,587 --> 00:28:45,024 You don't get to decide what's material and what isn't, Donna! 809 00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:47,259 Please keep your voice down. 810 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:48,594 They got nothing on the President with MS 811 00:28:48,594 --> 00:28:49,728 they're trolling 812 00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:51,330 then you go in and hand them a... 813 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:53,099 You were subpoenaed. 814 00:28:53,099 --> 00:28:54,200 You answer the damn question! 815 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,434 I screwed up. You think?! 816 00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,942 What should I do? 817 00:29:02,942 --> 00:29:04,777 Do nothing. 818 00:29:04,777 --> 00:29:06,512 Do absolutely nothing. 819 00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:18,490 ( door closes ) 820 00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:36,408 ( junior staffers murmuring ) 821 00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:49,288 ( room falls silent ) 822 00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:05,905 There's an old saying. 823 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,279 "Those who speak don't know, and those who know don't speak." 824 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,614 I don't know if that's true or not 825 00:30:15,614 --> 00:30:18,784 but I know that, by and large, the press doesn't care 826 00:30:18,784 --> 00:30:21,921 who really knows what as long as they've got a quote. 827 00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:24,590 Last Friday, we had our Week Ahead meeting 828 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:26,025 in the Roosevelt Room. 829 00:30:26,025 --> 00:30:28,827 Some of you were there, most of you weren't 830 00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:30,997 but I'm talking to all of you now. 831 00:30:30,997 --> 00:30:34,033 Bruno Gianelli and I were leading a discussion 832 00:30:34,033 --> 00:30:35,767 about whether or not the President should stop 833 00:30:35,767 --> 00:30:38,537 in Kansas on his way back from the West Coast 834 00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:42,774 and I remarked that the Vice President is polling better 835 00:30:42,774 --> 00:30:45,644 than the President right now in the plains states 836 00:30:45,644 --> 00:30:47,513 and that if the President is re-elected 837 00:30:47,513 --> 00:30:49,748 it's going to be on the Vice President's coattails. 838 00:30:49,748 --> 00:30:51,583 That remark made its way to a White House reporter. 839 00:30:55,821 --> 00:30:57,523 We're a group. 840 00:30:57,523 --> 00:30:58,757 ( chuckles ) 841 00:30:58,757 --> 00:31:00,826 We're a team. 842 00:31:00,826 --> 00:31:03,062 From the President and Leo on through, we're a team. 843 00:31:05,898 --> 00:31:09,035 We win together, we lose together. 844 00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:13,705 We celebrate, and we mourn together. 845 00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:16,142 And defeats are softened and victories sweetened 846 00:31:16,142 --> 00:31:18,077 because we did them together. 847 00:31:21,247 --> 00:31:23,983 And if you don't like this team... 848 00:31:23,983 --> 00:31:25,918 then there's the door. 849 00:31:30,056 --> 00:31:32,224 It's great to be in the know. 850 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:34,726 It's great to have the scoop, to have the skinny. 851 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,762 To be able to go to a reporter 852 00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:38,564 and say, "I know something you don't know." 853 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,102 And so the press becomes your constituents 854 00:31:43,102 --> 00:31:44,670 and you sell out the team. 855 00:31:47,106 --> 00:31:51,043 So, an item will appear in the paper tomorrow 856 00:31:51,043 --> 00:31:53,079 and it'll be embarrassing to me 857 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,314 and embarrassing to the President. 858 00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:01,720 I'm not going to have a witch hunt. 859 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,489 I'm not going to huff and puff. 860 00:32:03,489 --> 00:32:05,757 I'm not going to take anyone's head off. 861 00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:08,160 I'm simply going to say this: 862 00:32:11,030 --> 00:32:15,201 You're my guys, and I'm yours... 863 00:32:17,736 --> 00:32:19,938 and there's nothing I wouldn't do for you. 864 00:32:31,550 --> 00:32:33,585 That was unexpected. 865 00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:34,953 Yeah. 866 00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:38,257 You're a good deputy, Sam. 867 00:32:38,257 --> 00:32:40,426 What do you mean? 868 00:32:40,426 --> 00:32:42,461 That. 869 00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:44,730 You won money on football today, didn't you? 870 00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:45,931 Yeah, but I mean it anyway. 871 00:32:45,931 --> 00:32:47,199 What can I do for you today? 872 00:32:47,199 --> 00:32:48,500 How can I help you out? 873 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,635 You can give me a good reason 874 00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:52,004 why the White House can't support 875 00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:54,040 This is the Legal Tender... Huckleberry Bill? 876 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,807 Modernization Bill, yeah. 877 00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:57,543 because it'll never get to the floor. 878 00:32:57,543 --> 00:32:59,711 Why not? 879 00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:02,448 He's from Illinois, which, by the way, is the only state 880 00:33:02,448 --> 00:33:04,183 where you can put pennies in a toll machine. 881 00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:05,584 Why is that do you suppose? 882 00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:06,485 It's because... 883 00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:09,588 It's because Lincoln's from Illinois! 884 00:33:09,588 --> 00:33:11,557 Yes. Well, that's a good reason. 885 00:33:11,557 --> 00:33:13,125 Well, it's a dumb reason, but it's good enough 886 00:33:13,125 --> 00:33:14,560 right? 887 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,628 Sure. 888 00:33:16,628 --> 00:33:17,629 Thank you. 889 00:33:17,629 --> 00:33:19,465 Yeah. 890 00:33:19,465 --> 00:33:20,566 And thanks for the other thing. 891 00:33:20,566 --> 00:33:22,834 Yeah. 892 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:23,835 Hi. 893 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:24,870 Hi. 894 00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:26,038 What do you need? 895 00:33:26,038 --> 00:33:27,473 You called me. Yes, I did. 896 00:33:27,473 --> 00:33:29,175 Well, Toby made the remark 897 00:33:29,175 --> 00:33:31,143 in response to some new polling data. 898 00:33:31,143 --> 00:33:32,644 It was offhand. 899 00:33:32,644 --> 00:33:35,381 Obviously, he meant it as a joke, and he regrets it. 900 00:33:35,381 --> 00:33:36,515 Okay. 901 00:33:36,515 --> 00:33:38,417 He'll be happy to go on the record with you. 902 00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:39,551 No, that's all right. 903 00:33:39,551 --> 00:33:41,787 What do you mean? 904 00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:43,922 You're not going to let Toby explain himself? 905 00:33:43,922 --> 00:33:44,923 I'm not writing it. 906 00:33:44,923 --> 00:33:46,558 Why not? 907 00:33:46,558 --> 00:33:48,527 It's not news. 908 00:33:48,527 --> 00:33:49,728 Really? 909 00:33:49,728 --> 00:33:50,729 Yeah. 910 00:33:50,729 --> 00:33:52,531 Okay. 911 00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:56,502 I'll see you in there. 912 00:33:56,502 --> 00:33:58,003 You weren't joking before, were you? 913 00:33:58,003 --> 00:33:59,037 When? 914 00:33:59,037 --> 00:33:59,838 When you said... 915 00:33:59,838 --> 00:34:00,872 No. 916 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:02,040 Why do you think 917 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,675 the White House is a bad beat? 918 00:34:03,675 --> 00:34:06,078 I don't like being a stenographer. 919 00:34:06,078 --> 00:34:08,080 And I don't like writing gossip. 920 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,881 I read a column last week 921 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:13,819 where a lady bemoaned a decade of scandals she's had to cover 922 00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:16,288 as if the news was to blame for the quality 923 00:34:16,288 --> 00:34:18,724 of journalism. 924 00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:21,827 ever been a more important time to be good at what I do. 925 00:34:21,827 --> 00:34:24,196 Can you imagine how much 926 00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:26,132 about what Toby said to a staffer? 927 00:34:26,132 --> 00:34:28,834 Yeah. 928 00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:30,469 All right. 929 00:34:33,105 --> 00:34:34,806 You can sit anywhere you want. 930 00:34:37,676 --> 00:34:39,411 LEO: 139 countries have signed. 931 00:34:39,411 --> 00:34:41,113 35 have ratified. 932 00:34:41,113 --> 00:34:43,482 Once 60 ratify, that's the ball game. 933 00:34:43,482 --> 00:34:45,050 You want to be left out? 934 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:47,419 Absolutely. 935 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,588 This is going to raise 19 kinds of hell in Congress. 936 00:34:49,588 --> 00:34:51,390 What doesn't? They are already 937 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:53,792 extreme Republicans who are attaching amendments 938 00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:56,162 to bills cutting off military aid 939 00:34:56,162 --> 00:34:57,863 to any NATO member that signs the treaty... 940 00:34:57,863 --> 00:34:58,864 That won't happen. 941 00:34:58,864 --> 00:35:00,199 ...and committing 942 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,868 the U.S. to forcibly rescue any American soldier 943 00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:04,703 held and tried in such a court. 944 00:35:04,703 --> 00:35:06,905 Leo, this commits the United States 945 00:35:06,905 --> 00:35:10,709 to a scenario where we'd be invading Holland! 946 00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:12,077 How much of this is about hedging our bets? 947 00:35:12,077 --> 00:35:13,479 It's not. 948 00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:15,181 Look, we set up Nuremberg! 949 00:35:15,181 --> 00:35:16,882 We set up the Tokyo War Crimes Trial. 950 00:35:16,882 --> 00:35:19,618 And that was fine, until we realized 951 00:35:19,618 --> 00:35:22,521 the Cold War threat was going to take precedence. 952 00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:24,490 So when the German rocket 953 00:35:24,490 --> 00:35:26,692 scientists came here to help us get into space... 954 00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,594 Oh, please. ...we looked the other way 955 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:31,263 while SS Officers followed right behind 956 00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:33,565 protected by American intelligence 957 00:35:33,565 --> 00:35:36,402 services, 'cause they were going to help us with the Communists. 958 00:35:36,402 --> 00:35:37,503 Oh, please, Alan? 959 00:35:37,503 --> 00:35:40,539 So... 960 00:35:40,539 --> 00:35:42,808 how much of this is hedging our bets? 961 00:35:47,078 --> 00:35:48,847 ( clears throat ) 962 00:35:52,117 --> 00:35:54,253 You remember Operation Rolling Thunder? 963 00:35:56,121 --> 00:35:57,389 Yeah. 964 00:35:57,389 --> 00:35:58,790 I think I do, yeah. 965 00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:02,228 September, 1966. 966 00:36:02,228 --> 00:36:06,965 You were piloting an F-105 Fighterchief. 967 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:08,534 This was our first unit-- 968 00:36:08,534 --> 00:36:11,270 the 355th Tactical Fighter Wing out of Thailand. 969 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:13,372 Yeah. I was Forward Air Commander. 970 00:36:13,372 --> 00:36:16,007 I gave you your directions. 971 00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:19,811 "From I.P., heading 273 for ten point five miles 972 00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:21,480 "your target is 973 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,816 "north-south running bridge over river, one kilometer 974 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:27,586 to the tree line running east-west." 975 00:36:27,586 --> 00:36:28,787 Yeah? 976 00:36:31,657 --> 00:36:33,892 It was a military target. 977 00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:35,060 It was a civilian target. 978 00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:36,362 It was a dam. 979 00:36:36,362 --> 00:36:37,563 There were 11 civilian casualties. 980 00:36:54,012 --> 00:36:55,847 Why did you tell me that? 981 00:36:55,847 --> 00:36:59,285 Because you could be charged and tried for a war crime. 982 00:37:13,299 --> 00:37:15,967 Why did you tell me that? 983 00:37:19,838 --> 00:37:22,608 All wars are crimes. 984 00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:25,911 ( sighs ) 985 00:37:37,289 --> 00:37:39,858 We've been here a while. 986 00:37:39,858 --> 00:37:41,092 Yeah. 987 00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:43,662 Maybe we'll call it a day, huh? Yeah. 988 00:37:43,662 --> 00:37:47,299 I'll get you some time with the President this week. 989 00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:51,703 I'd appreciate that. 990 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:55,941 Thank you. 991 00:37:59,811 --> 00:38:01,647 Thank you. 992 00:38:18,497 --> 00:38:20,466 Can I ask a question, just out of curiosity? 993 00:38:20,466 --> 00:38:22,067 Yes, sir. 994 00:38:22,067 --> 00:38:24,235 If guns are meant to deter the threat of crime 995 00:38:24,235 --> 00:38:25,904 what's the point of concealing them? 996 00:38:25,904 --> 00:38:27,973 I mean, wouldn't you want the criminal to see 997 00:38:27,973 --> 00:38:29,040 that you've got a gun? 998 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,642 I suppose you would. 999 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,344 Then what's the answer to that? 1000 00:38:32,344 --> 00:38:34,045 I really don't know, sir. 1001 00:38:34,045 --> 00:38:35,547 You don't know. No, sir. 1002 00:38:35,547 --> 00:38:38,116 I suppose the concern has more to do 1003 00:38:38,116 --> 00:38:40,986 We can't all just agree it's a stupid-ass amendment 1004 00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:43,355 that was written before there were street lamps 1005 00:38:43,355 --> 00:38:44,823 much less police forces, and move on? 1006 00:38:44,823 --> 00:38:45,791 Sir... 1007 00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:46,992 There's no need 1008 00:38:46,992 --> 00:38:48,360 for a citizen militia. 1009 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,261 I agree with you. 1010 00:38:50,261 --> 00:38:54,032 40 percent of Americans have a gun in their home. 1011 00:38:54,032 --> 00:38:55,401 Only 16 percent believe 1012 00:38:55,401 --> 00:38:57,669 gun ownership is an absolute right. 1013 00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:59,905 Only nine percent believe it's an absolute wrong. 1014 00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:02,207 There's a middle. 1015 00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:04,275 Not when we're running the MS defense, Mr. President. 1016 00:39:04,275 --> 00:39:05,677 Which we wouldn't have been doing if... 1017 00:39:07,846 --> 00:39:09,681 If what, sir? 1018 00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:11,116 Nothing. 1019 00:39:11,116 --> 00:39:13,351 Sir... You outed me, John. 1020 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,753 With that trip 1021 00:39:14,753 --> 00:39:16,922 to Nashua, with the oil companies. 1022 00:39:16,922 --> 00:39:19,357 You wanted people to start asking questions. 1023 00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:20,626 I needed to start running 1024 00:39:20,626 --> 00:39:22,694 because nobody told me that I wasn't! 1025 00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:23,862 And you announced it! 1026 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:25,697 I found out on television! 1027 00:39:25,697 --> 00:39:26,665 So did my wife. This whole thing 1028 00:39:26,665 --> 00:39:27,899 was mismanaged, sir. 1029 00:39:27,899 --> 00:39:28,767 Look... 1030 00:39:28,767 --> 00:39:30,235 It was blown! Yes, it was. 1031 00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:31,102 Yes, it was. 1032 00:39:36,775 --> 00:39:39,411 It's not easy being my Vice President, is it? 1033 00:39:39,411 --> 00:39:40,446 ( sighing ) 1034 00:39:40,446 --> 00:39:42,347 No, sir. 1035 00:39:42,347 --> 00:39:44,883 I wouldn't think so. 1036 00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:51,957 But it's the only way 1037 00:39:51,957 --> 00:39:53,759 you're going to get the nomination. 1038 00:39:53,759 --> 00:39:55,293 You know that, right? 1039 00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:56,462 If I win. 1040 00:39:56,462 --> 00:39:59,631 Yeah. 1041 00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:02,033 And the only way you're going to win... 1042 00:40:02,033 --> 00:40:03,769 is if I'm on the ticket. 1043 00:40:03,769 --> 00:40:05,804 You know that, don't you, sir? 1044 00:40:05,804 --> 00:40:07,706 Yeah. 1045 00:40:09,575 --> 00:40:11,443 You'll go to Texas? 1046 00:40:13,712 --> 00:40:16,081 I want a seat at the table. 1047 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:17,182 Yeah. 1048 00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:19,518 ( knock at door ) 1049 00:40:19,518 --> 00:40:21,419 Mr. President? Yeah. 1050 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,522 They're getting ready for you in the briefing room. 1051 00:40:23,522 --> 00:40:24,523 Thank you. 1052 00:40:27,593 --> 00:40:29,227 I'll be back in my office. 1053 00:40:29,227 --> 00:40:30,562 Yeah. 1054 00:40:30,562 --> 00:40:31,963 Is there anything else, sir? 1055 00:40:31,963 --> 00:40:33,198 No. 1056 00:40:33,198 --> 00:40:35,166 Thank you, Mr. President. 1057 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:42,808 ( rolling thunder ) 1058 00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:16,742 There's a coffee shop across the street. 1059 00:41:16,742 --> 00:41:18,544 You can read it there, you've got an hour. 1060 00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,882 I haven't read it, but if anything bothers you 1061 00:41:23,882 --> 00:41:25,851 you'll issue a subpoena in the morning 1062 00:41:25,851 --> 00:41:27,853 and you'll have it back before the end of the day. 1063 00:41:27,853 --> 00:41:30,889 If not, that's that. 1064 00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:32,023 Yeah. 1065 00:41:32,023 --> 00:41:33,692 If I read any of this in the newspaper 1066 00:41:33,692 --> 00:41:36,094 or anything happens I don't like 1067 00:41:36,094 --> 00:41:39,430 I've got the entries for October fourth and fifth. 1068 00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:41,933 What's October fourth and fifth? 1069 00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:44,603 You. 1070 00:41:44,603 --> 00:41:47,205 That's fair. 1071 00:41:50,609 --> 00:41:52,143 Thank you. 1072 00:42:23,274 --> 00:42:25,844 It's starting to get cold already. 1073 00:42:33,785 --> 00:42:35,721 It's going to be fine. 75210

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