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Subs created by: David Coleman.
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I feel like I'm being watched.
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Somebody smothering me, putting
their hand on my face.
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It grabbed me by the back
of my head and, like...
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Somebody's holding her down, choking her.
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I am seeing, shadow figures.
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I'd wake up to a shadowy figure,
right at the foot of my bed.
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He was speaking in Tongues.
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Sounds like something out of The Exorcist.
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I hate this house, I hate it.
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Get out!
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- I'm scared.
- It's frightening.
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Got to be something in here doing it.
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I don't know what's happening.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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(Bell tolls)
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There's something down there.
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I see dead people.
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He doesn't want me back there.
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I speak to dead people...
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She's pissed.
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And they speak to me...
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She doesn't like the people who live here.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Someone did hang themselves here.
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- Where?
- There.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Dischiavi. I'm a retired
New York City homicide Detective...
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Did you want to kill him?
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And I know every person, every house...
has secrets.
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She did die in this house.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Would you be surprised if there
were bodies in this basement?
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No.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicated
during an investigation...
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Until the very end...
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Not good.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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Will it get worse?
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Or time to get out.
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- Oh, yes.
- Whew.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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Steve will dig into the
history of a location,
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and he'll interview the people involved.
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He'll gather all the facts so
that later when we come together,
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we can see if our research has
drawn any significant conclusions.
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I'm headed to a small town
in California called Acampo.
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We've got an elderly woman that
lives in a farmhouse alone.
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She raised her children there, and her
children actually reached out to us.
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They're concerned for her because
as they were growing up,
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they were tormented by a black smoky
figure they're convinced was a spirit.
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They say she's not afraid,
but that she should be.
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So I'm gonna go meet with the mom
now and see what I can find out.
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(Amy) Before I enter a location, Matt
will do what we call a cleaning.
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He'll remove any personal items, photos,
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or any other information that could
possibly influence my findings.
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And then I do my walk.
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(Eerie music playing)
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The second I step onto this property,
I can feel that something's wrong.
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Okay.
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There's a powerful presence
in this house, and it's evil.
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It's really evil. (Shivers)
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I see two big hands trying to pull me in.
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Let me just wander a bit.
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Like, I feel like it comes...
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In and out of the closets.
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There's something darker.
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I want to hide.
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This is, like, so bizarre.
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Like, I don't even want
to open this closet.
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It's like the physical doorway.
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That's where they're coming from.
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- Lorraine?
- Hi. Come on in.
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Well, let me just cut to the
chase, your kids called,
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they're a little concerned about the
stuff that goes on in this house.
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And I figured I'd start with you
since you live here alone, right?
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Yes, I do.
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Your husband's been deceased for about...
almost eight years.
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- Eight years?
- Mm hmm.
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And did he have any experiences?
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He had an experience himself several times,
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and he was telling me about it,
but I didn't really take it...
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I don't take things seriously.
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- I laughed it off.
- Are you shutting it out?
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More or less, yes.
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(Steve) Lorraine seems to think that by
ignoring the problem, it will go away.
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Now I understand why her kids
are concerned for her safety.
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Maybe people have seen something you
know, out of the corner of their eye.
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You kind of look up, and
you kind of see something.
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Little movements, little things at
first, but then it got not so good.
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I don't know what's happening.
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Maybe you could just tell me some of
the things you've seen in the house.
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I've seen a few shadows, you know, but...
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I've not seen what my
children have seen, so...
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Okay, but you have
experienced seeing shadows.
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Shadows, yeah. But it just
passes, and it's gone.
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Where do you see them?
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Sometimes if you're sitting down
watching TV, all of a sudden,
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you see something go by, or
you know, with your eye or...
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- Okay.
- And it just quickly...
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- I've seen it in my bedroom.
- In your bedroom?
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- Mm hmm.
- And how often do you see these?
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Not all the time. It's just every so often.
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- And it doesn't frighten you?
- No.
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I feel like there's more kind
of going on in this area.
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Wait a minute.
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I am seeing, like, shadow figures.
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Not our shadows, other...
like, shadow beings.
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Which makes me un-com-fort-able.
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I do not like those things.
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When was the first time anybody experienced
anything unusual in the house?
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I think my daughter Laura was the first.
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She was playing with her sister, and
they were running down the stairs,
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and she went down into
my room, going into it.
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And she had experienced something
going across, like a dark...
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I don't know how to explain it.
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There's this evilness, these shadow beings.
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Shadow people, we don't
know much about them.
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We don't know where they come from.
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They're just bad. They're very, very bad.
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- Now your youngest is Joe.
- Mm hmm.
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Did he start experiencing anything?
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Yes, when he was probably around 4.
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I guess he'd have a bad dream or something
was bothering him while he was sleeping,
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and then he'd get up and be on the
edge of his bed and sitting there,
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and he'd have his eyes, like,
going up, and he'd go...
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(Speaking gibberish) You know, like that?
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Like, just not making sense,
what he was trying to say.
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So what was actually
coming out of his mouth?
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He was speaking in Tongues,
he was just going on...
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(Speaking gibberish)
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- You know, rolling his tongue and just...
- Okay so...
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With his eyes rolled back
like somebody was...
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You know, talking to him,
I guess, I don't know.
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I don't know why he was doing it, but I
guess he was seeing whatever he was seeing.
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Lorraine, that sounds like
something out of The Exorcist.
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Well, that's what I'm saying.
He wasn't himself, you know?
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Yeah, he was possessed.
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(Eerie music playing)
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- You okay?
- Hmm, not really.
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I'm kind of uncomfortable here.
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(Amy) The first time I
encountered shadow people,
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I was 4 years old, and
they tried to kill me.
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They convinced me that
they were my friends.
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And that I could go with them if I bit
the electrical cord in my bedroom.
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And I did.
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I don't really like the
information I'm getting.
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All I know is that there's
frickin' shadow people here.
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So, frankly, I hate this house.
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(Indistinct whispering)
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There's this evilness, these shadow beings.
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Shadow people, we don't much about them.
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We don't know where they come from.
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They're just bad. They're very, very bad.
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(Amy) Shadow people are a mystery.
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We don't know if they were
once living people or not.
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What we do know is that they can literally
drain the life from a living person.
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Bad with the closets. The
closets are just bad here.
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This is where they go.
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Someone here tries to protect
this room from these things.
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This is a female. She's
trying to protect this room.
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Stay out, get out, get
out, stay out, get out.
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(Lorraine) As long as a spirit is not
hurting me, I don't take things seriously.
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Obviously, Lorraine has not been
tormented by these shadows.
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But the kids were, so I
need to speak with them.
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(Laura) Right in here is
my mom and dad's room.
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All right, this is where you had
your first experience, you said?
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Yeah.
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My sister Joanna was babysitting
me and my brother Joey.
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And I was upstairs, and
she was chasing after me,
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and I was bolting for this room because
I wanted to run and shut the door.
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Right.
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And instead, as I ran, all of a
sudden, I just stopped like this.
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Then she was coming right behind me.
She stopped, too.
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And from this point, this thing just...
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Went like this in front of us...
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Like not fast, not slow, but
just like at a perfect speed.
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Laura, did this mass have
any kind of a shape?
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No. It was cold, and it was thick black.
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- Okay.
- It made us stop.
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So it could pass in front of us.
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(Amy) I feel like there's
something in here.
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That has walked through the
room, in and out of the room...
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Around the bed a lot.
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There's been arguments with this
entity, this black shadow being.
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I feel like there's been words exchanged.
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So this is my room that I grew up in,
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and, um, this is the room that's
terrified me to the point
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where I don't even come in
here anymore when I visit.
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- Really?
- Yeah.
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At night, when I would try to go to bed,
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I would always try to cover myself up
because if I had any part of me exposed,
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something would touch me,
or if my face was exposed,
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I'd feel somebody breathing
or something on top of me.
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Then I couldn't move, and I couldn't talk.
I couldn't do anything.
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You literally couldn't move.
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My body was just dead weight.
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I would wish it away, um, pray,
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do whatever I could to get
this thing to leave me alone.
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How old were you when this was happening?
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Around like 11 to 13 and then on
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because I stayed in this room up
until I was probably like 19.
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This happened to you as you got older?
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- Yeah.
- And you understood it?
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Mm-hmm.
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And it wasn't a small-child fear anymore.
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No.
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No.
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(Amy) I'm getting somebody waking up in
the middle of the night freaking out.
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Can't breathe, being pushed on.
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And it's these shadow beings,
these shadow people.
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I hear somebody screaming. I'm
hearing a female screaming.
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Something physical happened to this female.
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Somebody putting their hand
over her mouth and her nose,
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holding her down and, like, choking her.
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(Laura) It came one night when I
was in here and I'd fallen asleep.
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All of a sudden, I see
this, like, black thing...
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Like a smoky black thing
on this side right here.
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- All right.
- It shoots up the wall like this...
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Like a snake kind of thing,
and it goes up to there,
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and then it goes up there, and
then it goes along there.
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And then it goes over here, and then
right where my head is over here.
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It goes down, and then, like,
I heard this loud noise.
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It kind of grabbed me by the
back of my head and, like,
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starting hitting my head like this.
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So I am frozen, and I'm
lying here, and I...
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Finally, like, get myself out of it, and
I jump up, and I ran across the room,
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slid open the door, and ran to the balcony.
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And I look down and I'm like,
dad, I can't take it anymore.
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There's a ghost in my
room, I'm going crazy,
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you know, I can't deal with this anymore.
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And he goes, your little brother was up
sleepwalking towards the basement saying...
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"Leave me alone. Go away, leave me alone".
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And I had to get him and grab him
and shake him, and he woke up.
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And then I put him back to sleep, and then
you just came out five minutes later.
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(Amy) I just feel like the...
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Somebody's shaking me and
yelling at me, and...
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I'm small...
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And I can't do anything, and they're
shaking the breath out of me.
241
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And I'm being yelled at by this older male.
242
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(Steve) And it seems like you, your
brother, and your father all have this,
243
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connection as far as...
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- Mm hmm.
- Things happening to you.
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I come to find out it happened
to, like, my sisters, as well.
246
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But we never really talked about it
because we were all kind of embarrassed.
247
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My little brother was the
one who was actively,
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talking and seeing the actual figures.
249
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He was really little when all
this stuff was happening.
250
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I feel like I'm being, like, watched by...
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These shadow people.
252
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Like, they're just watching right now.
253
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- So they're present?
- I feel like they're present now.
254
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Like, in here. I feel like they're in here
and they're being... they're, like...
255
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Watching, um...
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Which I don't like.
257
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(Indistinct whispering)
258
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I feel like I'm being, like, watched by...
259
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These shadow people.
260
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Are they influencing in any way, or...
261
00:16:24,288 --> 00:16:26,088
Mm.
262
00:16:26,237 --> 00:16:28,037
No.
263
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They just kill people.
264
00:16:29,891 --> 00:16:32,364
They just kill kids, and
they kill the elderly.
265
00:16:32,365 --> 00:16:34,881
That's what the shadow people do.
266
00:16:34,882 --> 00:16:39,920
(Amy) These beings kill children by
luring them into dangerous situations.
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Like they did to me.
268
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They can prey on the elderly,
269
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by slowly draining the life
out of them as they sleep.
270
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- So what are they doing in this case?
- They're sucking someone's life out.
271
00:16:54,504 --> 00:16:58,288
But it seems like slowly they're
doing it to this person.
272
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And they're like just tormenting people,
273
00:16:59,982 --> 00:17:05,082
and there's a lot of 'em,
and I'm freaked out.
274
00:17:06,449 --> 00:17:09,471
(Steve) Both Laura and her mother
say that Laura's brother Joe,
275
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was most violently affected
by the shadowy figures.
276
00:17:12,363 --> 00:17:16,383
So I need to speak with him next.
277
00:17:16,894 --> 00:17:19,363
When I was a kid, I used to
see a lot of crazy stuff.
278
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A lot of it happened
upstairs in my old bedroom.
279
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Some nights, when I was around 6 or
7, I'd wake up to a shadowy figure.
280
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And it was always the same spot, it
was right at the entrance of my room.
281
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And right at the foot of my bed.
282
00:17:33,282 --> 00:17:35,880
The only thing I could
really make out of it was,
283
00:17:35,881 --> 00:17:39,106
it looked like a man
wearing a hat, top hat.
284
00:17:39,107 --> 00:17:44,442
And whenever I woke up and saw this
figure or the shadow, I couldn't move.
285
00:17:44,443 --> 00:17:48,930
And I just had a chill to my body and
was just frightened, really frightened.
286
00:17:48,931 --> 00:17:52,837
Did you get woken up by anything,
like a touch or anything like that?
287
00:17:52,838 --> 00:17:55,545
On different occasions,
yes, but not all the time.
288
00:17:55,546 --> 00:17:57,647
Sometimes I would wake up to a feeling that
289
00:17:57,648 --> 00:18:01,741
someone was grabbing my feet
or screwing with my toes.
290
00:18:01,742 --> 00:18:04,955
- How often did this happen?
- Quite often as a kid.
291
00:18:04,956 --> 00:18:08,792
Now, when this happened, it happened
when you said you were younger, about 7?
292
00:18:08,793 --> 00:18:09,920
Correct.
293
00:18:09,921 --> 00:18:12,629
Okay, and how long did it last?
Till how old?
294
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:15,165
It carried on throughout my... my youth.
295
00:18:15,166 --> 00:18:19,400
It... it really slowed down when
I was at the age of 11 or 12.
296
00:18:19,401 --> 00:18:22,705
Because then I started sleeping
downstairs in this living room.
297
00:18:22,706 --> 00:18:28,346
I couldn't sleep in my room anymore.
I was that scared.
298
00:18:32,182 --> 00:18:35,482
That room is really bad.
299
00:18:35,853 --> 00:18:38,322
That room's horrid. I hate it.
300
00:18:38,323 --> 00:18:41,803
- I hate that room.
- Why?
301
00:18:43,026 --> 00:18:48,006
I think a lot of bad
things happened in there.
302
00:18:48,168 --> 00:18:51,801
And I feel like there's been
shadow people in there.
303
00:18:51,802 --> 00:18:54,668
I can't [Bleep] breathe.
304
00:18:54,669 --> 00:18:56,974
Now you seem like you were
pretty close with your father.
305
00:18:56,975 --> 00:18:57,776
Yeah.
306
00:18:57,777 --> 00:19:01,390
Could you get into detail about what you
and your father experienced together?
307
00:19:01,391 --> 00:19:04,390
We never really said anything about it,
we just kind of look at each other,
308
00:19:04,391 --> 00:19:07,122
and we knew that we both
kind of saw the same thing.
309
00:19:07,123 --> 00:19:08,852
Okay, but you guys never discussed it.
310
00:19:08,853 --> 00:19:11,733
Never discussed it.
311
00:19:12,090 --> 00:19:15,323
Did your father ever talk to
you about stuff that he saw?
312
00:19:15,324 --> 00:19:18,604
At this time, I was pretty young,
and I think that they, uh,
313
00:19:18,605 --> 00:19:24,505
didn't want to talk to me about it because
maybe it would have made it worse.
314
00:19:29,973 --> 00:19:32,811
I hear, like, Soul Reaper.
315
00:19:32,812 --> 00:19:36,725
It's eking out the person's life.
316
00:19:36,726 --> 00:19:38,482
Sucking out the person's life.
317
00:19:38,483 --> 00:19:42,986
And I'm getting a male that's
being kind of slowly killed.
318
00:19:42,987 --> 00:19:48,687
By this thing, this black entity,
this black shadow being.
319
00:19:49,081 --> 00:19:51,061
Did mom have any experiences here?
320
00:19:51,062 --> 00:19:53,300
- If she did, she wouldn't tell us.
- She wouldn't?
321
00:19:53,301 --> 00:19:55,965
Yeah, she holds her cards
pretty close to her chest.
322
00:19:55,966 --> 00:19:57,679
Why is that?
323
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,131
I'm not sure. I think my mom's had a
lot of stuff go on in her life that...
324
00:20:02,132 --> 00:20:04,183
Forced her to build a brick wall around it.
325
00:20:04,184 --> 00:20:09,464
And, uh, you know, she deals
with things internally.
326
00:20:10,155 --> 00:20:12,398
Just lots of icky things going...
327
00:20:12,399 --> 00:20:15,352
I just... I can't even do this.
328
00:20:15,353 --> 00:20:17,554
(Heart beating)
329
00:20:17,555 --> 00:20:19,956
Just knowing that there's a
bunch of shadow people here.
330
00:20:19,957 --> 00:20:21,991
Is like, freaking me the hell out.
331
00:20:21,992 --> 00:20:24,094
- You need to take a minute?
- Yeah.
332
00:20:24,095 --> 00:20:25,825
Okay.
333
00:20:25,826 --> 00:20:29,158
(Amy) I've never walked away from
an investigation out of fear.
334
00:20:29,159 --> 00:20:32,674
But this house is unlike
anything I've ever encountered.
335
00:20:32,675 --> 00:20:37,556
It's taking everything I've got to
stop myself from running out the door.
336
00:20:37,557 --> 00:20:42,297
This is just a really
negative, scary place.
337
00:20:42,997 --> 00:20:45,037
(Sighs)
338
00:20:49,097 --> 00:20:51,952
I seriously feel like somebody's
strangling the [Bleep] out of me.
339
00:20:51,953 --> 00:20:57,853
Like somebody's smothering me,
putting their hand on my face.
340
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,579
(Chime dings)
341
00:21:04,247 --> 00:21:08,016
Wow, this is, like, not cool, man.
342
00:21:08,017 --> 00:21:12,407
I just feel really frickin' nauseous
there from all the energy in that...
343
00:21:12,408 --> 00:21:13,977
In the house.
344
00:21:13,978 --> 00:21:18,982
It's, like, going through my body,
like, physically pushing on my body.
345
00:21:18,983 --> 00:21:22,703
And it was hurting me. (Sighs)
346
00:21:24,485 --> 00:21:27,357
I'm, like... I'm just in shock right now.
347
00:21:27,358 --> 00:21:29,326
You got blindsided.
348
00:21:29,327 --> 00:21:32,479
The other thing I did
get was a poltergeist.
349
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,920
Coming from a living agent in the house.
350
00:21:37,149 --> 00:21:40,003
(Amy) After I got outside and
away from the shadow people,
351
00:21:40,004 --> 00:21:43,168
I also felt the presence of a poltergeist.
352
00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:44,869
What most people don't know,
353
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:48,908
is that poltergeists are created
by the living, not the dead.
354
00:21:48,909 --> 00:21:54,184
When someone with psychic abilities
represses trauma or negative emotions.
355
00:21:54,185 --> 00:21:57,587
That negativity can materialize
into a poltergeist,
356
00:21:57,588 --> 00:22:01,382
which can cause serious harm to people.
357
00:22:01,383 --> 00:22:05,538
Is there anybody that you can
help as far as all this going on?
358
00:22:05,539 --> 00:22:08,648
Well, I mean, the first thing that
I have to try to figure out is
359
00:22:08,649 --> 00:22:11,883
if it's the current residents
that are doing this.
360
00:22:11,884 --> 00:22:16,449
If they're the culprits, then
we've got a big [Bleep] problem.
361
00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:19,390
Because with that...
362
00:22:20,484 --> 00:22:24,605
They could be bringing it on themselves.
363
00:22:24,606 --> 00:22:27,666
(Indistinct whispering)
364
00:22:37,524 --> 00:22:38,882
(Amy rubbing hands together)
365
00:22:38,883 --> 00:22:41,343
(Chime dings)
366
00:22:41,969 --> 00:22:45,772
The other thing I did
get was a poltergeist.
367
00:22:45,773 --> 00:22:48,913
So the first thing that I
have to try to figure out is
368
00:22:48,914 --> 00:22:52,312
if it's the current residents
that are doing this.
369
00:22:52,313 --> 00:22:58,213
If they're the culprits, then
we've got a big [Bleep] problem.
370
00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:02,407
Everyone in this family
has the exact same story,
371
00:23:02,408 --> 00:23:04,891
and I'm convinced they're
all telling me the truth.
372
00:23:04,892 --> 00:23:08,857
Now I got to find out if the problem
existed before the family moved in.
373
00:23:08,858 --> 00:23:11,688
So I asked the last owner of
the property to meet with me.
374
00:23:11,689 --> 00:23:14,458
- How are you? I'm Steve.
- Nice to meet you, Steve.
375
00:23:14,459 --> 00:23:17,287
I understand you used to live here.
You actually grew up in this house?
376
00:23:17,288 --> 00:23:18,615
Yeah, born and raised here.
377
00:23:18,616 --> 00:23:20,778
- And you lived here till how old?
- Twenty one.
378
00:23:20,779 --> 00:23:24,748
When you lived here, did you ever
experience any strange things in the house?
379
00:23:24,749 --> 00:23:27,949
No, not really, no. My
sister and I, neither one.
380
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:29,954
- Okay, so you lived here with your sister?
- Yeah.
381
00:23:29,955 --> 00:23:31,689
- And your parents, obviously.
- Yes.
382
00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:35,221
- Did they ever mention anything to you?
- Nothing, absolutely nothing.
383
00:23:35,222 --> 00:23:36,984
Do you know the family that lives here now?
384
00:23:36,985 --> 00:23:38,531
Yes, we sold them the property.
385
00:23:38,532 --> 00:23:40,215
You don't think they're crazy or anything?
386
00:23:40,216 --> 00:23:41,450
No, not that I know.
387
00:23:41,451 --> 00:23:44,879
Okay, so to you, they're just
a normal American family.
388
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,600
- Far as I know, yes.
- Okay.
389
00:23:51,457 --> 00:23:53,744
(Steve) I can't exactly
investigate shadows.
390
00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:56,379
I need something concrete,
so I look into the house,
391
00:23:56,380 --> 00:24:01,240
and there's not much in
its 70-year history.
392
00:24:01,341 --> 00:24:03,463
There are only two deaths
that I can find...
393
00:24:03,464 --> 00:24:07,467
The father of the previous
owner, who died in 1963.
394
00:24:07,468 --> 00:24:11,044
And Laura and Joe's father, who
died of a heart condition in 2003.
395
00:24:11,045 --> 00:24:16,565
But neither of these deaths
even happened in the house.
396
00:24:28,545 --> 00:24:31,663
Well, I feel like somebody died in here.
397
00:24:31,664 --> 00:24:34,964
Someone committed suicide.
398
00:24:34,984 --> 00:24:38,824
Somebody, like, gassed themselves.
399
00:24:41,224 --> 00:24:47,124
This is a male, but I also see a
little boy on a... on the car seat.
400
00:24:48,811 --> 00:24:52,422
They're both white, he
has short brown hair...
401
00:24:52,423 --> 00:24:54,713
And it's wavy.
402
00:24:54,714 --> 00:24:56,339
Its summer. It's a long time ago.
403
00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:59,324
My heart's pounding. (Heart pounding)
404
00:24:59,325 --> 00:25:02,205
They're both dead.
405
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,089
I widen my search to include the
neighbor's farmland close to the house.
406
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:12,230
And then I find something from 1962.
407
00:25:16,393 --> 00:25:18,793
Oh, my God.
408
00:25:19,230 --> 00:25:22,494
- (Sighs) Oh, God.
- What's wrong?
409
00:25:22,495 --> 00:25:27,771
I just felt dizzy in my head.
It's my ears. Just...
410
00:25:27,772 --> 00:25:30,532
Death, uh, dying.
411
00:25:30,975 --> 00:25:33,711
My head, like, really...
412
00:25:33,712 --> 00:25:35,992
Feels bad.
413
00:25:37,284 --> 00:25:40,273
That's it. That's it.
414
00:25:40,274 --> 00:25:42,314
(Sighs)
415
00:25:42,743 --> 00:25:44,783
(Sighs)
416
00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:50,466
(Sighs) Okay.
417
00:26:03,315 --> 00:26:05,745
(Amy) I know nothing about
the residents in this house,
418
00:26:05,746 --> 00:26:10,351
and I never want to
contaminate an investigation.
419
00:26:10,352 --> 00:26:13,559
But in this case, I really
need to speak with Steve.
420
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,782
Someone who lives here is either
creating this poltergeist,
421
00:26:16,783 --> 00:26:20,065
or is in danger of being harmed by it.
422
00:26:20,066 --> 00:26:24,566
Steve agrees to arrange a private meeting.
423
00:26:29,475 --> 00:26:32,748
(Amy) Have you had any
experiences in this location?
424
00:26:32,749 --> 00:26:35,556
Since my husband passed, I've seen, like...
425
00:26:35,557 --> 00:26:38,417
A shadow or something, but
just catches your eye.
426
00:26:38,418 --> 00:26:44,001
It doesn't stay there. It just goes away.
It doesn't... it doesn't bother me.
427
00:26:44,002 --> 00:26:48,606
What about your husband? Did he ever
have any experiences that you know of?
428
00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,675
Well, I guess he's seen what my kids seen.
429
00:26:50,676 --> 00:26:53,344
- Really? Okay.
- Some of it, yeah.
430
00:26:53,345 --> 00:26:55,254
(Amy) I felt that the
residents of this house
431
00:26:55,255 --> 00:26:57,638
were seeing the same
shadow people that I saw.
432
00:26:57,639 --> 00:26:59,884
Which tells me that they
could all have abilities,
433
00:26:59,885 --> 00:27:03,421
and any one of them is capable
of creating a poltergeist.
434
00:27:03,422 --> 00:27:06,958
Now I need to figure out who's
suppressing their emotional pain.
435
00:27:06,959 --> 00:27:09,864
And creating the poltergeist
that resides here.
436
00:27:09,865 --> 00:27:15,058
Did you ever have any, uh,
traumatic incidents growing up?
437
00:27:15,059 --> 00:27:18,376
Well, my mom had passed
away during my senior year.
438
00:27:18,377 --> 00:27:21,338
- Oh, wow. Okay.
- To me, that was... yeah.
439
00:27:21,339 --> 00:27:23,377
- That was a...
- Going on 18, I don't know.
440
00:27:23,378 --> 00:27:26,127
- I can't remember.
- Okay, all right.
441
00:27:26,128 --> 00:27:26,961
Wow.
442
00:27:26,962 --> 00:27:29,894
She had a brain tumor, and
she died just like that.
443
00:27:29,895 --> 00:27:32,096
- Oh, my goodness.
- Yeah.
444
00:27:32,097 --> 00:27:33,957
Wow.
445
00:27:34,012 --> 00:27:36,353
- Is your father currently living, or...
- No.
446
00:27:36,354 --> 00:27:38,333
- Okay.
- He committed suicide.
447
00:27:38,334 --> 00:27:40,614
Oh, okay. I'm sorry.
448
00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:42,582
Hung himself.
449
00:27:42,583 --> 00:27:45,719
- So that was also traumatic for you.
- Yeah.
450
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,214
I didn't know that, um, there
was a lot of problems there.
451
00:27:49,215 --> 00:27:54,268
I thought maybe if I'd have known, I
could've probably saved him, but he passed.
452
00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:57,549
Wow, so that's... that's very traumatizing.
453
00:27:57,550 --> 00:28:01,854
That's, you know, you get over it, though.
You just got to keep going on.
454
00:28:01,855 --> 00:28:05,338
Lorraine has endured some
very traumatic losses.
455
00:28:05,339 --> 00:28:09,283
And it seems to me she's dealt with
them by repressing her emotions.
456
00:28:09,284 --> 00:28:12,729
You're obviously concerned
about your children,
457
00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:17,430
and how these experiences
are affecting them.
458
00:28:17,431 --> 00:28:20,131
Yeah, because I never seen Laura
look like that, you know?
459
00:28:20,132 --> 00:28:22,782
And Joe, I didn't think
he would be that bad.
460
00:28:22,783 --> 00:28:25,003
That's...
461
00:28:25,276 --> 00:28:27,700
There's got to be something in
here doing it, I don't know.
462
00:28:27,701 --> 00:28:31,871
Sometimes it's only about understanding
463
00:28:31,872 --> 00:28:35,558
what's going on, and then knowing
what you can do about it.
464
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:36,358
Yeah.
465
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,514
And then you can actually be proactive
and take care of the situation.
466
00:28:40,515 --> 00:28:44,625
So that's what hopefully
we'll be able to do here.
467
00:28:44,626 --> 00:28:48,826
Do you feel that it can be resolved?
468
00:28:50,356 --> 00:28:52,726
How do they resolve it?
469
00:28:52,727 --> 00:28:56,212
Well, there's techniques
that they can learn...
470
00:28:56,213 --> 00:28:58,009
- Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
- To kind of shut it down.
471
00:28:58,010 --> 00:29:02,514
How do you feel that you protect yourself?
472
00:29:02,515 --> 00:29:05,755
I don't believe in it.
473
00:29:06,405 --> 00:29:09,253
You know, I may... I'd
have to really have to...
474
00:29:09,254 --> 00:29:13,395
I just don't... I won't let...
I won't believe it.
475
00:29:13,396 --> 00:29:17,311
Well, I've always been thankful, you
know, that my kids were always healthy.
476
00:29:17,312 --> 00:29:18,293
Mm-hmm.
477
00:29:18,294 --> 00:29:21,192
I felt like God blessed
me, you know, not to,
478
00:29:21,193 --> 00:29:23,184
take away anything away from me again,
479
00:29:23,185 --> 00:29:25,612
because I miss my mother and
father, you know? So...
480
00:29:25,613 --> 00:29:26,493
Right.
481
00:29:26,494 --> 00:29:30,842
That's why I feel I was blessed because the
thing was really seriously wrong with it.
482
00:29:30,843 --> 00:29:33,794
Lorraine has seen these
things with her own eyes.
483
00:29:33,795 --> 00:29:36,775
But she's still in denial
about their existence.
484
00:29:36,776 --> 00:29:38,529
And that's the problem.
485
00:29:38,530 --> 00:29:40,820
Repressed emotions are
not going to eliminate
486
00:29:40,821 --> 00:29:43,723
poltergeists or shadow
people from her home.
487
00:29:43,724 --> 00:29:46,390
It could make them stronger.
488
00:29:46,391 --> 00:29:49,451
(Indistinct whispering)
489
00:29:56,336 --> 00:29:59,054
(Amy) I did not want to
go back into this house,
490
00:29:59,055 --> 00:30:02,687
but I really need to find out
what Steve has uncovered.
491
00:30:02,688 --> 00:30:07,191
I also need to sit face-to-face with
Lorraine's kids, and only her kids.
492
00:30:07,192 --> 00:30:13,092
I don't think Lorraine's ready
to hear what I have to say.
493
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,103
Well, hi, guys. It's good to see you again.
494
00:30:18,104 --> 00:30:19,771
I want to introduce you to Amy.
495
00:30:19,772 --> 00:30:22,243
Amy, this is Laura, and this is Joseph.
496
00:30:22,244 --> 00:30:26,019
They were both born and raised in this
house, and they called us in to...
497
00:30:26,020 --> 00:30:28,329
Try to give them some answers
as to what's going on here.
498
00:30:28,330 --> 00:30:32,550
What I'd like to do is start by
having Amy talk about her walk.
499
00:30:32,551 --> 00:30:36,921
The first thing I want to talk
about is in the garage area.
500
00:30:36,922 --> 00:30:42,822
It seemed to be either a double
suicide or a murder/suicide.
501
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:46,810
Well, I feel like somebody died in here.
502
00:30:46,811 --> 00:30:50,111
Someone committed suicide.
503
00:30:50,202 --> 00:30:53,772
Somebody, like, gassed themselves.
504
00:30:53,773 --> 00:30:59,673
This is a male, but I also see a
little boy on a... on the car seat.
505
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:02,284
They're both dead.
506
00:31:02,285 --> 00:31:06,785
There was gas involved. He gassed himself.
507
00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:11,815
See, the thing is with Amy, she picks
things up and she'll say something,
508
00:31:11,816 --> 00:31:15,167
and I'll remember an article
or some interview I've done.
509
00:31:15,168 --> 00:31:18,738
That'll bring clarity to the
information that she gets.
510
00:31:18,739 --> 00:31:24,639
I actually I have an article when I was
doing my research back in August of '62.
511
00:31:25,333 --> 00:31:27,213
It's summer. It's a long time ago.
512
00:31:27,214 --> 00:31:29,115
My heart's pounding. (Heart pounding)
513
00:31:29,116 --> 00:31:33,567
A guy killed himself and his 6-year-old
son by, uh, asphyxiation in the truck.
514
00:31:33,568 --> 00:31:39,468
He hooked up the gas pipe into the cab of
the truck, killed himself and his son.
515
00:31:40,827 --> 00:31:43,587
Death, uh, dying.
516
00:31:43,764 --> 00:31:46,500
My head, like, really...
517
00:31:46,501 --> 00:31:48,034
Feels bad.
518
00:31:48,035 --> 00:31:49,906
(Sighs)
519
00:31:49,907 --> 00:31:54,539
This happened within the area right
here, very close to where we are.
520
00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:57,295
I guess that's probably what you picked up.
521
00:31:57,296 --> 00:31:59,156
Wow.
522
00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:04,951
And, Amy, you found this outside in
the garage when you did your walk?
523
00:32:04,952 --> 00:32:06,812
Yes.
524
00:32:07,594 --> 00:32:11,057
Normally, I would feel validated
by the article that Steve found,
525
00:32:11,058 --> 00:32:14,044
but I'm focused on the
bigger issue right now.
526
00:32:14,045 --> 00:32:18,613
I want to make sure that Laura and Joe
get the answers they are looking for.
527
00:32:18,614 --> 00:32:22,630
This case is unlike any of
the other cases we've done.
528
00:32:22,631 --> 00:32:25,247
So I just want to make sure you
still want to go forward with the
529
00:32:25,248 --> 00:32:27,679
information we're gonna give you
because it's very sensitive,
530
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,986
and it's very scary.
531
00:32:29,987 --> 00:32:31,877
- Yeah, I think so.
- Okay.
532
00:32:31,878 --> 00:32:36,198
Amy, if you can continue about your walk...
533
00:32:36,199 --> 00:32:39,323
So I came into the house.
534
00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:42,605
And upstairs, in the bedroom areas...
535
00:32:42,606 --> 00:32:47,106
I encountered five different shadow people.
536
00:32:50,596 --> 00:32:54,800
- So they're present?
- I feel like they're present now.
537
00:32:54,801 --> 00:32:57,501
They're, like...
538
00:32:57,651 --> 00:32:59,931
Watching...
539
00:33:00,862 --> 00:33:03,712
Which I don't like.
540
00:33:03,713 --> 00:33:06,679
They were coming and going
through the closets.
541
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,984
They interacted with people
who were in the household.
542
00:33:10,985 --> 00:33:13,834
Typically when they would
be in bed at night.
543
00:33:13,835 --> 00:33:19,715
And they were basically causing
harm to the individuals here.
544
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,963
In a location, I've only
ever encountered one,
545
00:33:23,964 --> 00:33:29,668
so to be in a household where there
were five really disturbed me.
546
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:33,065
I'm actually terrified of these things.
547
00:33:33,066 --> 00:33:38,011
And I've had my own experience
with them when I was a child.
548
00:33:38,012 --> 00:33:41,451
It was actually my first
memory of an experience...
549
00:33:41,452 --> 00:33:42,972
Was with shadow people.
550
00:33:42,973 --> 00:33:45,997
And they actually tried to kill me.
551
00:33:45,998 --> 00:33:51,541
They influenced me to bite my electrical
cord, and I was electrocuted.
552
00:33:51,542 --> 00:33:54,861
That's when I also kind of figured
out that they were not good.
553
00:33:54,862 --> 00:33:58,579
Because initially, they tried
to say that they were good
554
00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:00,366
and they wanted me to come with them.
555
00:34:00,367 --> 00:34:05,107
So I do find these
entities very horrifying.
556
00:34:06,675 --> 00:34:12,575
I'd like Laura and Joseph to tell you what
happened to them when they were kids.
557
00:34:12,833 --> 00:34:17,613
I spent the majority of my
childhood in this room up here.
558
00:34:17,614 --> 00:34:19,366
Every night, before I'd go to bed,
559
00:34:19,367 --> 00:34:23,683
I'd always feel something on me.
(Voice breaks)
560
00:34:23,684 --> 00:34:25,904
(Sniffles)
561
00:34:26,192 --> 00:34:27,566
(Sniffles)
562
00:34:27,567 --> 00:34:29,069
- Sorry.
- It's okay.
563
00:34:29,070 --> 00:34:34,550
And I've actually seen this black
smoke in my room go up the wall.
564
00:34:34,551 --> 00:34:37,736
I would always feel like,
um, I couldn't breathe.
565
00:34:37,737 --> 00:34:39,803
I was just paralyzed where I couldn't move.
566
00:34:39,804 --> 00:34:41,705
I mean, it's fascinating
that you're saying that
567
00:34:41,706 --> 00:34:44,110
there's actually these figures
because I've seen them.
568
00:34:44,111 --> 00:34:48,230
I've had very similar situations
happen to me very frequently
569
00:34:48,231 --> 00:34:51,517
as a kid, and it started as
soon as I could remember.
570
00:34:51,518 --> 00:34:52,957
Even before I could remember,
571
00:34:52,958 --> 00:34:57,142
I was told that I would sleepwalk,
I would speak in Tongues.
572
00:34:57,143 --> 00:35:01,211
And it was all driving from when I
was sleeping in my room upstairs.
573
00:35:01,212 --> 00:35:02,693
Sleepwalking and sleep-talking,
574
00:35:02,694 --> 00:35:05,994
that's typically them interacting
with us while we're asleep.
575
00:35:05,995 --> 00:35:07,900
(Inhales deeply)
576
00:35:07,901 --> 00:35:10,136
(Exhales deeply)
577
00:35:10,137 --> 00:35:12,572
So where do these shadow people come from?
578
00:35:12,573 --> 00:35:15,580
Were they in the house here already,
or did they come from somewhere else?
579
00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:21,481
Well, unfortunately, there's not a lot
known about where they come from.
580
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:27,935
We think that they are attracted to
locations of people who have abilities.
581
00:35:27,936 --> 00:35:30,923
Of people who are vulnerable...
582
00:35:30,924 --> 00:35:33,480
And that there's some type of negativity,
583
00:35:33,481 --> 00:35:36,444
that's attracting them to that location.
584
00:35:36,445 --> 00:35:39,746
They usually go after young children.
585
00:35:39,747 --> 00:35:44,778
Or elderly people or people
who are sick and vulnerable.
586
00:35:44,779 --> 00:35:48,444
And they absolutely were encountering
people in this household
587
00:35:48,445 --> 00:35:49,872
and messing with them.
588
00:35:49,873 --> 00:35:54,242
And I think, in fact, one person
in the household may have been...
589
00:35:54,243 --> 00:35:56,883
Killed by them.
590
00:35:59,198 --> 00:36:02,323
The person that I saw was
a male, an older male.
591
00:36:02,324 --> 00:36:05,730
He was sleeping when I saw him.
592
00:36:05,731 --> 00:36:10,182
And one of the beings was
sucking out his breath.
593
00:36:10,183 --> 00:36:14,569
So I was thinking chest issues,
breathing issues, heart issues...
594
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:18,106
Things of that nature, that
this thing, over a long term,
595
00:36:18,107 --> 00:36:21,467
was doing to this person.
596
00:36:22,647 --> 00:36:25,246
I hear Soul Reaper.
597
00:36:25,247 --> 00:36:29,173
I feel like it's sucking
out the person's life.
598
00:36:29,174 --> 00:36:32,820
From everything that I've seen on
my walk and heard from this family,
599
00:36:32,821 --> 00:36:35,328
I believe I was seeing their father.
600
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:37,751
But it's not my place to say.
601
00:36:37,752 --> 00:36:41,463
I think Joe and Laura will talk
about it when they're ready.
602
00:36:41,464 --> 00:36:44,799
When I did the walk of the upstairs...
603
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,766
I'm sorry, it really bothers me.
604
00:36:46,767 --> 00:36:49,107
It's okay.
605
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,257
Do you feel them right now?
606
00:36:54,258 --> 00:36:56,778
A little bit.
607
00:36:57,279 --> 00:37:00,339
(Indistinct whispering)
608
00:37:09,071 --> 00:37:12,593
When I did the walk of the upstairs...
609
00:37:12,594 --> 00:37:14,862
I'm sorry, it really bothers me.
610
00:37:14,863 --> 00:37:16,909
Do you feel them right now?
611
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:19,430
A little bit.
612
00:37:19,546 --> 00:37:21,981
Where exactly are you
picking up the energy?
613
00:37:21,982 --> 00:37:24,995
From over in this location.
614
00:37:24,996 --> 00:37:28,013
I was feeling like they
were on the landing.
615
00:37:28,014 --> 00:37:29,864
I kind of wanted to leave.
616
00:37:29,865 --> 00:37:35,763
I just still have a lot of issues of
my own with that from my childhood.
617
00:37:35,764 --> 00:37:37,271
Joe, what's on your mind?
618
00:37:37,272 --> 00:37:40,575
A lot's on my mind. I mean, really,
it's a lot to take in, you know?
619
00:37:40,576 --> 00:37:43,010
It's frightening. It's... it's crazy.
620
00:37:43,011 --> 00:37:46,711
So basically, what you're telling
us, it ain't safe upstairs for...
621
00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:51,054
Kids, for elderly, for anybody that's
maybe vulnerable or have some kind of...
622
00:37:51,055 --> 00:37:52,660
- Illness.
- Weakness or illness.
623
00:37:52,661 --> 00:37:54,877
- It's not safe up there.
- No, it's not safe upstairs.
624
00:37:54,878 --> 00:37:57,278
- And it's not safe downstairs.
- Downstairs?
625
00:37:57,279 --> 00:38:02,397
- The whole downstairs and the basement?
- Yeah, not safe.
626
00:38:02,398 --> 00:38:06,098
To have five in one household is just...
like, boggled my mind.
627
00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:08,187
Like I've never seen that before.
628
00:38:08,188 --> 00:38:11,016
I think that they were attracted...
629
00:38:11,017 --> 00:38:14,827
Probably to the family because it
seems that you all have abilities.
630
00:38:14,828 --> 00:38:18,850
And then, you were young children,
vulnerable, they're attracted to that.
631
00:38:18,851 --> 00:38:22,478
So it was kind of like the perfect storm.
632
00:38:22,479 --> 00:38:26,632
(Amy) Even though Joe and Laura have
encountered these shadow people personally.
633
00:38:26,633 --> 00:38:29,408
It's still seems hard for them to accept.
634
00:38:29,409 --> 00:38:33,545
This makes me concerned about
what I have to tell them next.
635
00:38:33,546 --> 00:38:39,008
So the next thing that I encountered
was a poltergeist entity.
636
00:38:39,009 --> 00:38:43,192
And the thing about poltergeists
is that it's not...
637
00:38:43,193 --> 00:38:45,649
Like the movie poltergeist.
638
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:50,030
A poltergeist stems from a living agent.
639
00:38:51,388 --> 00:38:55,309
So it's somebody who
resides at the location.
640
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:58,356
And what happens is...
641
00:38:58,357 --> 00:39:04,036
Typically, it's an individual who
has repressed their emotions.
642
00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:07,149
They tend to keep it bottled
up and pushed down.
643
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:12,459
And what can end up happening is that
that emotion that's been bottled up...
644
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:17,229
Comes out in a manner of affecting
their physical surroundings.
645
00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:22,221
Via this electricity or this energy
that can come from the body.
646
00:39:22,222 --> 00:39:28,122
That's basically what a poltergeist
is, from a living person.
647
00:39:29,432 --> 00:39:32,140
I did speak to your mother yesterday.
648
00:39:32,141 --> 00:39:35,141
I did interview her.
649
00:39:35,618 --> 00:39:38,334
I know where that's going.
650
00:39:38,335 --> 00:39:39,702
I'm sorry, I...
651
00:39:39,703 --> 00:39:44,443
- No, it's okay. It's okay.
- I can see...
652
00:39:45,112 --> 00:39:47,154
It's something that's subconscious.
653
00:39:47,155 --> 00:39:50,460
It's not something that the
person is aware they're doing.
654
00:39:50,461 --> 00:39:53,130
It's not something that
the person wants to do.
655
00:39:53,131 --> 00:39:55,365
It's just simply something that happens
656
00:39:55,366 --> 00:39:58,161
to someone who has gone
through emotional traumas,
657
00:39:58,162 --> 00:40:02,372
who has learned to repress
their emotions, as a safety.
658
00:40:02,373 --> 00:40:07,773
It's just something that can
be a natural occurrence.
659
00:40:09,111 --> 00:40:12,210
So basically anybody can
carry this kind of energy?
660
00:40:12,211 --> 00:40:16,304
Not anybody um, it's usually
people with ability's.
661
00:40:16,305 --> 00:40:19,158
I try to help people by
telling them what I see.
662
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,093
But I can't always make things better.
663
00:40:21,094 --> 00:40:23,781
Sometimes they have to
do that for themselves.
664
00:40:23,782 --> 00:40:25,897
Obviously mom's not here with us tonight.
665
00:40:25,898 --> 00:40:30,007
But I'm just curious, are you guys going
to share any of this information with her?
666
00:40:30,008 --> 00:40:34,252
I think I will, I'll try to explain
what a poltergeist can be.
667
00:40:34,253 --> 00:40:39,141
But I don't think it's her, I think
it could be, something else.
668
00:40:39,142 --> 00:40:42,982
I don't think it could be her.
669
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:46,291
We're just coming in here to
give you what we found out.
670
00:40:46,292 --> 00:40:48,692
Basically on this case
mostly what Amy found out.
671
00:40:48,693 --> 00:40:51,212
We wouldn't be doing our jobs if
we didn't tell you everything.
672
00:40:51,213 --> 00:40:53,595
- Of course, I understand that.
- Right.
673
00:40:53,596 --> 00:40:57,412
It can't be easy for Joe and
Laura to process my findings.
674
00:40:57,413 --> 00:40:59,461
But the most important part of my job,
675
00:40:59,462 --> 00:41:03,366
no matter how difficult it may
be is to be honest with them.
676
00:41:03,367 --> 00:41:06,405
You know if it is possible
that that's the case.
677
00:41:06,406 --> 00:41:09,408
What are some things we can
do to remedy that situation?
678
00:41:09,409 --> 00:41:12,365
The best thing is just for her to talk.
679
00:41:12,366 --> 00:41:15,569
You know really talk out her emotions.
680
00:41:15,570 --> 00:41:20,297
And talk out that energy, and for her
to release verbally, or in writing...
681
00:41:20,298 --> 00:41:23,324
The things that she's been through,
things that she's experienced,
682
00:41:23,325 --> 00:41:25,321
and have that emotional outlet.
683
00:41:25,322 --> 00:41:27,436
In a safe way.
684
00:41:27,437 --> 00:41:30,335
This a lot of information for you
guys to absorb in a couple of hours,
685
00:41:30,336 --> 00:41:32,227
so I mean what do you think Joe?
686
00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:34,141
Well, if anything it's validating for me.
687
00:41:34,142 --> 00:41:35,926
People probably think
I'm still a little off.
688
00:41:35,927 --> 00:41:37,901
But you know once you
experience something this,
689
00:41:37,902 --> 00:41:40,089
it open's your eyes, and you see something.
690
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:44,120
I mean it's hard to deny something
that's happened so many times to me.
691
00:41:44,121 --> 00:41:47,206
Amy always tells our
clients the same thing.
692
00:41:47,207 --> 00:41:49,455
- You have to take control.
- Big time.
693
00:41:49,456 --> 00:41:52,702
Obviously as a family we have a lot of
things we need to consider, and think about
694
00:41:52,703 --> 00:41:54,343
for the future here.
695
00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:56,257
But it's defiantly stuff that we've heard.
696
00:41:56,258 --> 00:41:57,830
We're gonna have that conversation,
697
00:41:57,831 --> 00:42:00,211
we're going to move forward
here, we're a strong family and
698
00:42:00,212 --> 00:42:01,748
we're going to work through this.
699
00:42:01,749 --> 00:42:05,745
No one knows where shadow people come from,
so no one knows how to get rid of them.
700
00:42:05,746 --> 00:42:08,745
But we do know that they're
drawn to negative emotions.
701
00:42:08,746 --> 00:42:12,130
Lorraine has experienced a
lot of tragedy in her life.
702
00:42:12,131 --> 00:42:16,021
And I hope that Joe's right, that
as a family they can pull together,
703
00:42:16,022 --> 00:42:18,751
and create a more positive
environment for Lorraine.
704
00:42:18,752 --> 00:42:22,437
But personally, I would leave
this house and never come back.
705
00:42:22,438 --> 00:42:28,338
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