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-* MTV *
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Allow it to move
in a circle with your shoulders.
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-America in the '70s
was in need of relief...
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and soft rock was there
like a sonic colonic.
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**
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It was time to love again.
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-* Do you want to make love? *
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-* If you love me, let me know *
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-* Your love keeps lifting me *
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* Higher and higher *
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-And faster than you could order
another round of piña coladas...
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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...soft rock was raking in
hard cash.
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-Chicago --
We were in 270 countries,
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and "If You Leave Me Now"
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was number one
in every one of them...
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at the same time.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-You start to feel like,
you know, you're bulletproof.
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You know, we can't fail.
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-But the good times
couldn't go on forever.
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-Welcome to the '80s.
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-We're here to pump...you up.
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-I must break you.
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-The world got tired
of silly love songs.
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-Soft rock became not cool.
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-God damn nerds.
-Nerds!
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-Nerds!
-Nerds!
-Nerds!
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-It was designed for the masses.
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-Nothing got in your soul.
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-Soft rock was really schmaltzy,
too poppy.
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-Like, funky dentist music.
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-It's the only kind of music
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that makes me
break out in hives.
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-I think of sunburnt
Boomer bellies,
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Hawaiian shirts,
old ass and titties hanging out.
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-People thought
soft rock is gone, it's dead.
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Nobody wants to hear it anymore.
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-This sucks.
-Talk about lame.
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-It's pointless. It's pointless.
I hate it.
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-Pop goes the bubble.
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-Could soft rock survive?
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**
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-* Sometimes when we touch *
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**
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**
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-The Song of the Year is...
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"What a Fool Believes"!
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-Heading into the 1980s,
soft rock was loving life.
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New stars like
Michael McDonald...
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-* I got to try *
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-...Christopher Cross...
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-Christopher,
I'd say you've done pretty well
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with these next two songs.
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-When I recorded them,
I was hoping they'd be good.
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-...and Air Supply looked like
kings of the new decade.
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-Please welcome Air Supply.
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-Air Supply.
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-Here is Air Supply.
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-"Solid Gold" was bringing
its sound to millions on TV.
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-Welcome to "Solid Gold."
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-Its hosts were soft rockers...
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-Welcome back for another
great year of "Solid Gold."
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-...and its cast performed
interpretive dances
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of soft-rock hits.
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-* Things will never be
the same again *
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* I keep forgetting
how you made that so clear *
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-But a shift in music
had been rumbling for years.
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Some of the most popular
soft-rock songs
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were on shakier ground
than the Top 40 charts revealed.
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-* Do that to me one more time *
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-* I miss you more than I *
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* Missed you before, and I *
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-* I'll be in love with you *
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-The sound
was still as smooth...
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-* Friday night, it was late,
I was walking you home *
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* We got down to the gate *
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-...but a new generation
was getting bored
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with all things mellow.
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-In the late 1970s,
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soft rock was speaking to people
older than me.
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-* Walking through the park
and reminiscing *
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-A lot of that soft rock
was definitely not made
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for somebody my age.
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I needed some angst.
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[ Punk music plays ]
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I needed punk rock to happen.
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**
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-And then suddenly...
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hippies were out, anger was in.
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-* I am an anti-Christ *
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* And I am an anarchist *
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-In 1977, A&M Records, the label
most associated with soft rock,
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decided its future lay
with the most notorious band
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in the history
of rock and roll...
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the Sex Pistols.
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-God save the Queen.
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-After EMI
dumped the Sex Pistols,
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A&M Records picked them up
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and staged
a contract-signing ceremony
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in front of Buckingham Palace.
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[ Camera shutter clicks ]
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-Jerry Moss of A&M Records
really had the vision.
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I think he had seen
trends shift before
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and was ready
to jump on this one.
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**
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-Daryl and I worked at A&M.
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We recorded there.
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And after the word came out
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about them signing
the Sex Pistols,
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Karen and I were standing there,
and she said,
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"You know, we were the kind of
music that made this label.
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What are they doing?"
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And I said, "Karen,
they're trying to stay hip."
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And to them, hip was signing
this Sex Pistols thing.
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And she said, "Well,
I don't think it's right."
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-They are a group called
the Sex Pistols.
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-You dirty bastards.
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-Again.
-You dirty fucker.
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-What a clever boy.
-What a fucking rotter.
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-Well, that's it for tonight.
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-Well, they went in
and trashed the headquarters
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at A&M in England.
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I mean, just trashed it,
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and they never made an album
for A&M.
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So I thought,
"Well, that's what you get."
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[ Laughs ]
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[ Rock music plays ]
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-Punk was gaining momentum.
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-During the soft-rock years,
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you couldn't get the attention
of the record companies
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unless you had that distilled,
manufactured sound.
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It was just a very closed shop.
The walls were high.
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You couldn't climb over,
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so the punk movement
decided to blow up the walls.
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-* Born *
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* Born in the '50s *
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-In the late '70s,
the studio wizardry
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that elevated soft rock
was turned against it.
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-In The Police,
we didn't have no bang producer.
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The first couple of Police
albums cost 20 cents to make,
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and we did them
in two or three weeks.
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-In 1978, undeterred by its
failure with the Sex Pistols,
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A&M signed The Police.
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-When we first arrived
in America,
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it was certainly our intention
to be a changing of the guard
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because who doesn't want
to be revolutionary?
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**
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-I remember being on the lot,
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and one of the guys
from A&M said,
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"We just signed this band,"
and it was The Police.
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I was like, "We're done."
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It was like
Sting was just too great.
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-One of the greatest weekends
I ever had,
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I go to see The Police
for 2 bucks.
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The guy at the ticket counter
was obviously into soft rock.
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He goes,
"Hey, this band, The Police?
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You guys better enjoy this
while you can
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'cause they're going nowhere."
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-Let me hear if you are ready
for The Police!
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Whoo!
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-The Police did
completely change the sound
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of what became pop radio.
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-* Roxanne *
-* Put on the red light *
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-* Roxanne *
-* Put on the red light *
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-Were new wavers sentimental?
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Let's just say they had
a different approach to love.
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-* All by myself *
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-While soft rock was about
seduction and sobbing...
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-* I ran 20 doors *
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* Around the house,
black and blue *
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-...the new music
was aggressive...
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-* Is she really going out
with him? *
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-...edgy...
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-* I might like you better *
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-...profane.
-* If we slept together *
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-* Orgasm addict *
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* You're an orgasm addict *
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-"Orgasm Addict" is about
being in love with your hand.
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-* Your mother wants to know *
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* What all those stains
on your jeans *
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* You're an orgasm addict *
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-Is there any Buzzcocks song
that's just like,
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"I love you and you love me,
and this is great
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and now I'm gonna love you
for the end of time"?
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No.
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Like, I don't think Air Supply
ever had a song that was like,
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"Fuck you!
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You'll be sorry you dumped me."
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That's not what "All Out
of Love" was saying, you know?
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**
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-UK music magazine NME
named post-punk indie classic
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"Love Will Tear Us Apart"
the greatest single in history.
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-* Love *
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* Love will
tear us apart again *
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-It defined a new type
of love song for a new decade.
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-Joy Division
was a beautiful illustration
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of how to take
* love will keep us together *
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and kind of, you know,
flip it the bird.
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-"Love Will Tear Us Apart" --
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it's got this kind of sweet
sway to it,
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but it's singing something
incredibly sad.
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-* Love will tear us apart *
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-And the music video
is very dark.
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-"Love, love will tear us apart"
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because that is
fucking the truth.
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Love ruins you.
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Love wrecks you.
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"Love Will Keep Us Together"
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makes you believe
a beautiful lie,
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but in
"Love Will Tear Us Apart,"
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the singer is like,
"We're gonna fall in love,
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and it's gonna
fucking destroy us."
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-Joy Division is great,
but it's kind of a red flag.
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If you run across somebody
on Tinder
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who is maybe more into
"Love Will Tear Us Apart"
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than
"Love Will Keep Us Together,"
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you should avoid them.
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**
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-Punk and new wave began
the assault on balladeering.
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Then came the heavy artillery...
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a new brand of uber machismo
that defined the 1980s.
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-To crush your enemies,
see them driven before you,
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and to hear the lamentation
of their women.
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-...which had no need
for wimpy soft rockers...
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-* Da-da-da *
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* Da-da-da *
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-...a torrent of parody...
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-* Sometimes when we touch *
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-...and new technology
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that would eviscerate
the soft-rock sound...
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-The whole genre started
to cave in on itself from above.
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-...and an unexpected force
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was set to blast soft rock
into a galaxy far, far away.
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**
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-Announcing
the latest achievement
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in home entertainment --
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the power of sight, video,
the power of sound.
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MTV -- Music Television.
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-MTV launched
a revolution in 1981,
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but video didn't kill
all the radio stars --
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at least not at first.
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**
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-Alright. One minute to air.
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-First time live.
-Is this the first time live?
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-First time live
from the studio ever.
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-MTV has never
done anything live?
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-Not from the studio ever.
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I'm Mark Goodman,
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and if you want to talk
to Daryl Hall and John Oates,
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all you need is this --
one index finger
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to dial one telephone.
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Welcome to MTV, you guys.
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-Oh, yeah.
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-Hall and Oates were the first
group that I really started
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looking at their videos.
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-* Private eyes *
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* They're watching you *
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* I want to play that *
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* One on one *
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* I want to
play that game tonight *
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-Their videos really just,
like, jumped out
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because they were
really well-shot, well-done.
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They had, like, a little bit
of a storyline to them.
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-* And you move in close,
a little bit means so much *
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-And the songs were so catchy.
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-* But I can't go for that, no *
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* No can do *
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-I loved me some Hall & Oates.
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-Following the launch of MTV,
Lionel Richie
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broke off from the Commodores
and went solo.
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Free to let
his sentimental side lose,
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he reeled off
a string of soft-rock classics,
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like "Say You, Say Me."
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-* Say you, say me *
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* Say it together, naturally *
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-* Joanna *
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* I love you *
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**
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-The fact that Kool & the Gang
had videos on MTV
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and that "Joanna"
was the number-one played song
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in the country at the time,
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we had a lot more fans
than we did in the '70s.
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-* Cherish the love *
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* Cherish the life *
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-But soon...
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[ Music distorts ]
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[ Rock music plays ]
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...mellow was bumped
to the background.
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-MTV -- no slow weekend,
no slow songs.
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We're gonna whip you
into a frenzy
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with the fastest weekend ever --
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with the fastest weekend ever
on MTV.
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-The rocking-est, the fastest,
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the hardest of rock and roll.
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-And unlike Hall, Oates,
and Richie,
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most soft rockers
became early casualties.
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**
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-* I know,
know what's on your mind *
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Singing and songwriting --
it's an auditory thing.
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It's about the impressions
and stream of consciousness
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that the music brings
to your mind, not about...
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in my opinion, a video
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of someone else's impression
of what the song is.
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* 'Cause it's alright,
think we're gonna make it *
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**
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-Pre-MTV,
Christopher Cross was a star,
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despite early resistance
from his record company.
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-Christopher Cross in 1980
put out his first album,
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which had probably
low expectations,
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but he was being groomed
to be a kind of soft-rock guy.
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-Warners initially didn't
believe in my material,
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and their plan was to give me
other material to record.
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-There was a notion
about his talent
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that for whatever reason --
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maybe we were just
being snobs --
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we just didn't have
that feeling about him.
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But a junior A&R person
who turned out to be
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the head of department
years later, Michael Ostin,
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fought for him.
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It was an almost mistake
we made, but we didn't.
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-You know,
the album came out in 1980,
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and "Ride Like the Wind" hit,
and that was it.
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* Ride, ride like the wind *
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* To be free again *
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-And for the Grammys,
he ended up sweeping.
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-"Sailing," Christopher Cross.
-Whoo! "Sailing."
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-* Sailing *
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"Sailing" was really
never supposed to be
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released as a single,
but I-I got to say,
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I'm really glad it was.
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-Christopher Cross
has set a Grammy record
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that he would hold for 40 years,
until Billie Eilish came along,
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winning Album of the Year,
Best New Artist,
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Song of the Year,
and Record of the Year.
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-He not only
swept the Grammys --
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in 1982, he took home an Oscar
for "Arthur's Theme."
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The winners are Burt Bacharach,
Carole Bayer Sager,
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Christopher Cross,
and Peter Allen!
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-* When you get caught between
the moon and New York City *
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-But I don't recall ever seeing
Christopher Cross on MTV...once.
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MTV had kind of
made him irrelevant.
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It's sad, actually.
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-If my career is -- is meant
to be based on sex appeal
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or looking like
Leonardo DiCaprio,
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well, then, I'm out of luck.
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-The failure
of its biggest new star
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to make it on MTV
wasn't a good sign.
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Soon, soft rockers
on the channel
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felt like
awkward party crashers.
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**
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-I want my MTV!
-MTV.
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-* [ Rapping ] The place to be
to see videos of the century *
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**
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-MTV didn't deliberately
make soft rock uncool,
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but when video came along,
people thought
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that's what you had to do
to be down,
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to belong, to be accepted.
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**
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-The big setback
for a lot of musicians
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was it became all about
the visual
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and all about the imaging
of rock-star people.
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-Once music videos took over,
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we got
survival of the photogenic.
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**
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-In the early days of MTV,
they'd just get the band
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looking handsome somewhere,
and they'd bounce around.
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And there's your video.
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Certainly, that was our videos.
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**
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-Even soft rock's
heaviest hitters
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gave in to their worst impulses.
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Lionel Richie reached the
pinnacle of treacle in 1984...
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-* Hello *
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-...with a video
that would never be forgotten.
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-* Is it me
you're looking for? *
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-Lionel Richie's "Hello" video
had a storyline.
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He fell in love with
a blind woman and followed her,
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and he was just, like,
singing to her.
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-* I sometimes see you
pass outside my door *
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-What it really is about
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if how easy it is
to stalk someone who can't see.
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-* Hello *
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-While some soft rockers
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were getting
their cheesy videos played...
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-* Hungry eyes *
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-* Baby makes her blue jeans *
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* Yeah, she makes
her blue jeans talk *
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-* Abracadabra *
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* I want to reach out
and grab ya *
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**
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-MTV was all out of love
for Air Supply,
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despite the Australian duo's
eight top-10 records
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in the '80s.
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-We were like the biggest band
in the world at the time,
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but MTV never played
any of our videos
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because I don't think
they considered us hip or cool.
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-We never
consciously hated soft rock.
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Air Supply -- unfortunately,
they think maybe
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they were selected to be banned
and never played on MTV.
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That never,
ever happened like that.
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**
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-Air Supply became
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the last major band
of the soft-rock era...
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**
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...and its greatest symbol
of frustration.
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**
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-When we became famous,
people in the business said,
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"These guys are either
one-hit wonders
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or three-hit wonders
or five-hit wonders."
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To think about where we are now,
it's mind-blowing.
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**
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-I bought the master
of Air Supply
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based on that first song,
"Lost in Love,"
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that I thought
would be a hit record
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coupled with Russell's
soaring voice.
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-* Lost in love,
and I don't know much *
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* Was I thinking aloud
and fell out of touch? *
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-Air Supply
is classic soft rock.
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-* I'm all out of love *
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* What am I without you? *
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* I can't be too late
to say that I was so wrong *
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**
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00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:53,764
-But what we hate this day
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is that our music
was described as soft rock...
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because it's not the music,
it's not us, you know?
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-Anything that's soft
is kind of not quite there.
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**
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The reviews were coming in,
and they would always qualify it
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by saying something
a little bit negative.
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-They'd say it was "candyfloss,"
"insipid,"
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and those kind of adjectives.
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-And they would say,
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"It's not my cup of tea,
but the show was fantastic."
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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People were coming to the shows,
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and the audiences
can't be wrong.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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-Soft rock never got any love
from the critics.
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They got all the love
from the audience.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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But then
a really sad thing happened.
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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Soft rock really
fell out of fashion,
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and the audience
began ridiculing them, too.
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-Uh, Stephen Bishop.
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I have a hit song, "On and On."
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-And you saw them made fun of
on "Saturday Night Live."
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-* On and on *
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* On and on *
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-Did you write that song?
-Yeah.
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-I hate it. Now get out of here.
[ Laughter ]
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-If I had a daughter,
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the number-one thing
I'd teach her,
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if you're at a party
and some guy starts playing
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an acoustic guitar,
stay away from him.
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-* I gave my love a cherry *
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00:21:25,752 --> 00:21:28,322
-John Belushi didn't like
emo crooners, either.
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His treatment of Stephen Bishop
in 1978's "Animal House"
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showed how,
despite its massive success,
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soft rock could also be
really annoying.
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-Sorry.
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**
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-From the beginning,
soft rock was seen
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as a betrayal of rock's roots
in the counterculture.
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**
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But there was so much
more ridicule to come.
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-Well, it's goodbye
to the elevator music.
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-* Diamond girl *
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* You sure do shine *
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**
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-From Seals and Crofts
to Gino Vannelli,
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critics had always treated soft
rock like a musical disease.
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00:22:22,442 --> 00:22:26,252
-Soft rock, that lame-ass,
weak, non-threatening,
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suburban-white-boy junk
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played by bands like
Men Without Testicles.
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00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:33,623
-Why is it we live in a world
where John Lennon was murdered,
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00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:36,490
yet Barry Manilow continues
to put out fucking albums?
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[ Cheers and applause ]
486
00:22:38,224 --> 00:22:40,464
-The vocal is thin,
but it is linear.
487
00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:42,700
-That girl has really got
a sound.
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00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:45,725
-It's a sound,
but it's not our sound.
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-Written by journalist
Robert Lipsyte,
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1975's
"That's the Way of the World"
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parodied the Carpenters
and starred Harvey Keitel
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as an unhappy record producer.
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-In the '70s,
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when I wrote
"That's the Way of the World,"
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to hate the Carpenters
was chic, smart,
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a musical...
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In the movie, this group,
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the Pages,
was everything that was wrong,
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contrived, and basically evil.
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**
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-There's some stigma
associated with being mainstream
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because you can't be cool
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and be mainstream
at the same time.
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You're supposed to be
underground, kind of niche,
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and when it becomes mainstream,
it just isn't cool anymore.
506
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-Back then, there was
this notion of selling out.
507
00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:45,525
If you so-called commercial,
508
00:23:45,525 --> 00:23:47,325
which meant the ability
to write a hit song,
509
00:23:47,326 --> 00:23:48,896
which, frankly, is about
the hardest thing
510
00:23:48,895 --> 00:23:50,495
in the world to do,
511
00:23:50,497 --> 00:23:52,297
then you were thought of
as a sellout.
512
00:23:52,298 --> 00:23:56,738
So all these seminal artists
were just getting trashed.
513
00:23:56,736 --> 00:23:59,366
**
514
00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:00,941
-William, this is
Ben Fong-Torres.
515
00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,980
I'm the music editor
at Rolling Stone magazine.
516
00:24:03,976 --> 00:24:06,846
-There was a shift in attitude
around the same time
517
00:24:06,846 --> 00:24:09,846
that I joined Rolling Stone,
which is the late '60s.
518
00:24:09,849 --> 00:24:13,549
I knew that Rolling Stone had
a "hipper than thou" attitude
519
00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:14,923
because I had it.
520
00:24:14,921 --> 00:24:17,721
We would say, "Okay,
what about John Denver?"
521
00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:19,394
Or, "What about the Carpenters?"
522
00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,291
And there would be an attitude,
523
00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:22,733
"Well, do we really
have to cover --
524
00:24:22,729 --> 00:24:25,359
You know, they're so popular."
525
00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:28,404
So we did, in fact,
cover Top 40,
526
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,770
usually with a sarcastic view.
527
00:24:31,771 --> 00:24:33,441
-The hipsters
may have been arrogant,
528
00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:34,909
but they weren't always wrong.
529
00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:39,147
A lot of soft rock
was hard to take...
530
00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:42,745
and the soft-rock-hosted
variety shows of the late '70s
531
00:24:42,749 --> 00:24:46,419
didn't help the genre's image
as legit rock and roll.
532
00:24:46,418 --> 00:24:50,058
-All those shows
were so sugary sweet
533
00:24:50,056 --> 00:24:53,786
because they had to be popular
for the entire family,
534
00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:57,063
so they would definitely look
for the things that were softer,
535
00:24:57,063 --> 00:24:58,603
more palatable.
536
00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:00,768
-* You'd think that people
would have had enough *
537
00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:02,997
* Of silly love songs *
538
00:25:03,002 --> 00:25:07,042
-So it was the perfect outlet
for really bad songs.
539
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,909
-Donny and Marie Osmond.
540
00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:11,938
[ Applause ]
-Those variety shows told you
541
00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:16,154
that Donny Osmond
could be rock and roll.
542
00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:17,418
And literally...
543
00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:19,616
-* I'm a little bit country *
544
00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:22,319
-* And I'm a little bit
rock and roll *
545
00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:24,321
-And that was just the reality
546
00:25:24,323 --> 00:25:26,133
of what the machine
was going to do.
547
00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:28,755
And there it was each week
on your television set...
548
00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:30,661
-* I don't know
if it's good or bad *
549
00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,933
-* But I know I love it so *
550
00:25:32,932 --> 00:25:35,972
-...the de-fanging...
of rock and roll.
551
00:25:35,968 --> 00:25:40,438
-* We're a little bit
rock and roll *
552
00:25:40,439 --> 00:25:41,909
[ Applause ]
553
00:25:41,908 --> 00:25:43,338
-If I walked
through the living room
554
00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:45,442
and somebody was watching them,
I walked out.
555
00:25:45,444 --> 00:25:48,084
I'm like, "Enjoy that, Grandma."
556
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480
**
557
00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:53,192
-"The Captain and Tennille."
558
00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:54,645
-I loved "Captain and Tennille."
559
00:25:54,654 --> 00:25:56,324
[ Whistle blowing ]
-Alright. Let's go. Come on.
560
00:25:56,322 --> 00:25:57,822
-You don't understand!
561
00:25:57,824 --> 00:26:00,094
-Don't worry. I'm the captain.
I'll bail her out.
562
00:26:00,092 --> 00:26:01,532
[ Laughter ]
563
00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:04,497
-But those shows --
they always soften the punch.
564
00:26:04,496 --> 00:26:06,566
They always soften
the damn blow, man.
565
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,835
-* Hand me down
my walkin' cane *
566
00:26:08,835 --> 00:26:11,265
* Hand me down my hat *
567
00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:12,840
It was hokey.
568
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,839
And they always wanted
to include Daryl, the captain,
569
00:26:15,842 --> 00:26:17,512
even though there was
570
00:26:17,509 --> 00:26:22,479
really nothing for him to do
in that song, "Rubberband Man."
571
00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,381
So somebody said, "I know.
572
00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:26,853
He could pretend to play
rubber bands or something."
573
00:26:26,853 --> 00:26:31,763
* Hey, y'all, prepare yourself
for the rubberband man *
574
00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:33,888
I wish he didn't do it.
575
00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:36,163
* Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo *
576
00:26:36,162 --> 00:26:37,432
* Doo-doo! *
577
00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,369
[ Cheers and applause ]
578
00:26:39,365 --> 00:26:42,325
-Here is one of the truly
great stars of rock music,
579
00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:47,344
the delightful Mr. Leo Sayer,
who makes us feel like dancing.
580
00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:50,609
-* You've got
a cute way of talkin' *
581
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:52,609
-Truly great rock artist?
582
00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:55,381
-* You make me
feel like dancin' *
583
00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,021
-Alright. It was a kids' show,
584
00:26:57,016 --> 00:27:00,916
But moves like this turned
soft rock into laughing stock.
585
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,160
-* I wanna dance my life away *
-* I feel! *
586
00:27:03,155 --> 00:27:04,885
[ Cheers and applause ]
587
00:27:04,891 --> 00:27:07,561
-Then there was this.
588
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,529
-* Feelings *
589
00:27:11,530 --> 00:27:14,630
* Nothing more than feelings *
590
00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:17,773
-* I've been to paradise *
591
00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:20,570
* But I've never been to me *
592
00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:24,082
-* I'm in you *
593
00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:25,746
-I was a big fan
of Peter Frampton...
594
00:27:25,745 --> 00:27:28,005
-* You're in me *
595
00:27:28,014 --> 00:27:30,654
...but then he came out with
"I'm in You"...
596
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:33,089
-* I'm in you *
597
00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:35,915
-...and that album cover of him
looking all -- all --
598
00:27:35,922 --> 00:27:38,292
you know,
with the shirt unbuttoned.
599
00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:39,790
Oh, my God.
600
00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:42,392
Pop goes the bubble.
601
00:27:42,394 --> 00:27:44,434
Goodbye, Peter.
602
00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:45,660
**
603
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:52,174
-* You light up my life *
604
00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:54,941
-I don't really care for
"You Light Up My Life."
605
00:27:54,941 --> 00:27:59,611
It's a little schmaltzy
and syrupy and saccharine.
606
00:27:59,611 --> 00:28:02,611
-* Carry on *
607
00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:04,954
-"You Light Up My Life"
was number one
608
00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,951
for 10 weeks in 1977.
609
00:28:06,953 --> 00:28:11,463
It was at that time the biggest-
selling single of all time.
610
00:28:11,457 --> 00:28:12,927
-You just got to get over it.
611
00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:14,385
That song found its way
612
00:28:14,393 --> 00:28:17,303
to millions of people
who appreciate it.
613
00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:18,826
[ Cheers and applause ]
614
00:28:18,831 --> 00:28:20,301
Give them a break.
615
00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:22,799
Soft rock is entertainment.
616
00:28:22,802 --> 00:28:24,872
[ Cheers and applause ]
617
00:28:24,871 --> 00:28:27,171
Except for
"Sometimes When We Touch."
618
00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:30,483
-* Who am I to judge you *
619
00:28:30,476 --> 00:28:33,646
* On what you say or do? *
620
00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:35,845
-The displays
of naked male emotion
621
00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:37,448
that made soft rock so popular
622
00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:41,449
were also what made it
so easy to ridicule.
623
00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:45,163
-"Sometimes When We Touch,"
the melody's okay...
624
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,987
-* And sometimes when we touch *
625
00:28:47,994 --> 00:28:49,464
-...but the lyrics...
626
00:28:49,461 --> 00:28:51,831
-* The honesty's too much *
627
00:28:51,831 --> 00:28:55,301
-...are so painfully vulnerable
and sincere...
628
00:28:55,301 --> 00:28:58,671
-* I want you to hold you
'til I die *
629
00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:00,310
-...that the only reaction
630
00:29:00,306 --> 00:29:03,176
anyone who is sane
can have to that song
631
00:29:03,175 --> 00:29:05,435
is to want to slap the guy
who's singing it.
632
00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:07,214
-Wow.
633
00:29:07,213 --> 00:29:11,923
* And I have to close my eyes
and hide *
634
00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:13,148
I can't control what I write.
635
00:29:13,152 --> 00:29:15,022
The words kind of
fly out of my mouth.
636
00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:17,861
* I want to hold you
'til I die *
637
00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,457
-It's a little
heavy-handed there, dude.
638
00:29:20,459 --> 00:29:23,699
Like, you got to be
okay on your own first
639
00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:25,795
before you put
that much pressure on me.
640
00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:28,498
-* 'Til the fear
in me subsides *
641
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,840
-I really sympathize
with some of these great writers
642
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,439
who achieved
the pinnacle of their careers
643
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,140
just to be ridiculed by some
of these folks in the press.
644
00:29:37,143 --> 00:29:38,183
It sucks.
645
00:29:38,177 --> 00:29:39,607
-* I want to hold you... *
646
00:29:39,611 --> 00:29:41,111
My mom used to say,
647
00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:43,183
"Danny, you just have to cry
all the way to the bank,"
648
00:29:43,182 --> 00:29:45,182
because the more
they smashed me,
649
00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:48,624
the more backlash into
people buying my records.
650
00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:53,560
* 'Til the fear in me subsides *
651
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:56,359
-I don't like that song at all.
652
00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:58,232
**
653
00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:01,370
-Even proven hitmakers
were seen as uncool
654
00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:04,367
by the record companies
who made millions off them.
655
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:06,870
-The winner is
Captain and Tennille.
656
00:30:06,873 --> 00:30:08,513
[ Cheers and applause ]
657
00:30:08,507 --> 00:30:10,907
-The Grammys, 1976.
658
00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:14,110
It was exciting.
It was my first Grammy.
659
00:30:14,113 --> 00:30:18,383
And I want to thank A&M Records
for giving us a creative place
660
00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:20,724
to do our thing,
and we appreciate it.
661
00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,789
[ Applause ]
662
00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:25,318
So after the show was over,
this young man
663
00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:27,964
that I didn't know
came running up to me and said,
664
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,600
"Oh, oh, Miss Tennille,
we're having an A&M after party.
665
00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:34,968
We want you to come."
666
00:30:34,967 --> 00:30:37,437
And I went, "Really?
667
00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:42,406
And you didn't invite us until
we won Record of the Year."
668
00:30:42,408 --> 00:30:44,978
I understood
the record companies,
669
00:30:44,977 --> 00:30:49,577
including A&M, were trying
to keep their hip edge,
670
00:30:49,581 --> 00:30:51,781
so we didn't go to the party.
671
00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:56,323
You know, I didn't want to go
and be fakey, you know?
672
00:30:56,322 --> 00:30:58,322
"Oh, thank you so much."
673
00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,564
[ Laughs ]
674
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:01,959
**
675
00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:04,101
-Other soft rockers
with serious credentials
676
00:31:04,096 --> 00:31:07,126
were dismissed
as dorks and lightweights,
677
00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:12,473
especially when they wrote songs
that burrowed into your brain.
678
00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:15,141
**
679
00:31:15,141 --> 00:31:17,811
-"If You Like Piña Coladas"
by Rupert Holmes,
680
00:31:17,809 --> 00:31:19,709
which is really called "Escape."
681
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:22,921
-I try to "escape" the song
as often as possible.
682
00:31:22,915 --> 00:31:25,015
-What's the line? Who's got it?
683
00:31:25,017 --> 00:31:27,117
-* I wasn't happy with my lady *
684
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:28,819
-Well, that's not right.
685
00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:31,660
-* I was tired of my lady *
686
00:31:31,657 --> 00:31:34,187
* We'd been together too long *
687
00:31:34,193 --> 00:31:38,433
-The use of the word "lady" is
a defining aspect of soft rock
688
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,630
and also something
that makes you cringe a bit.
689
00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:42,132
-* Same old dull routine *
690
00:31:42,134 --> 00:31:44,504
-* If you like piña coladas *
691
00:31:44,503 --> 00:31:45,803
Yeah.
692
00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:47,914
I hate myself just now
for singing it.
693
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:49,106
[ Laughs ]
694
00:31:49,108 --> 00:31:51,638
-* And the feel of the ocean *
695
00:31:51,643 --> 00:31:55,483
-The kind of tropical fantasy
that it puts forward
696
00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:59,851
is just too hokey,
is too tiki room at Disneyland.
697
00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:01,691
-* Write to me *
698
00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:03,187
* And escape *
699
00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:06,159
-[ Laughs ]
What I think of that song --
700
00:32:06,158 --> 00:32:09,858
I think of sunburnt
Boomer bellies, Hawaiian shirts,
701
00:32:09,861 --> 00:32:11,701
old ass and titties hanging out.
702
00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:13,067
-You can say, "I hate it.
703
00:32:13,065 --> 00:32:14,565
That's a piece of crap.
704
00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:16,336
I hate that bubblegum music,"
but guess what?
705
00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:18,265
You sang it
in the car by yourself.
706
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:19,870
**
707
00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:21,841
You're lying
if you say you didn't.
708
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,240
There are songs like that.
709
00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:25,342
"Piña Colada"'s
one of those songs.
710
00:32:25,344 --> 00:32:29,024
-* If you like piña coladas *
-You've got to get into it.
711
00:32:29,015 --> 00:32:30,375
-"And getting caught
in the rain."
712
00:32:30,382 --> 00:32:32,322
Like, "Oh, that's so romantic
and sweet."
713
00:32:32,318 --> 00:32:35,888
-It was just a fun song,
and it told a story.
714
00:32:35,887 --> 00:32:37,257
-* I am into champagne *
715
00:32:37,256 --> 00:32:38,856
-Tried to cheat on my wife.
716
00:32:38,857 --> 00:32:40,857
She was trying to cheat on me!
717
00:32:40,859 --> 00:32:42,059
-Oh!
-Oh!
718
00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:43,701
-* And she walked in the place *
719
00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:47,695
-He put an ad in the paper
looking for somebody else,
720
00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:51,769
but the person he meets who has
connected with him is his wife.
721
00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:53,240
-* It was my own lovely lady *
722
00:32:53,239 --> 00:32:55,069
-And she's like, "Oh, it's you."
723
00:32:55,074 --> 00:32:56,744
-* And she says,
"Oh, it's you" *
724
00:32:56,742 --> 00:33:00,512
-And it's like,
"We're stuck together in hell.
725
00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:02,152
Aah!"
726
00:33:02,148 --> 00:33:05,078
-* Come with me and escape *
727
00:33:05,084 --> 00:33:07,354
Believe it or not,
728
00:33:07,353 --> 00:33:09,393
I had never had
a piña colada in my life.
729
00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:11,258
I had no idea what was in it,
how you made it,
730
00:33:11,257 --> 00:33:13,857
but it sounded right.
731
00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,759
**
732
00:33:16,762 --> 00:33:18,462
It's happy hour, guys.
733
00:33:18,464 --> 00:33:21,534
Can I get you
something to drink?
734
00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:23,803
Beer, piña colada? Yes.
735
00:33:23,802 --> 00:33:26,572
When I wrote the song, I wrote,
736
00:33:26,572 --> 00:33:30,912
"If you like Humphrey Bogart
and getting caught in the rain."
737
00:33:30,909 --> 00:33:32,439
I looked at the lyric,
and I thought,
738
00:33:32,444 --> 00:33:34,584
"I don't know about
Humphrey Bogart."
739
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:35,810
-Waiting for a lady.
740
00:33:35,814 --> 00:33:37,454
-And so I decided
741
00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:39,749
10 seconds before I sang it
for the first time
742
00:33:39,751 --> 00:33:43,561
to say "piña colada"
instead of "Humphrey Bogart."
743
00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:45,785
It changed
the course of my life.
744
00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:50,431
-By the time he released
soft rock's national anthem --
745
00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:53,429
and its most
inescapable mega-hit --
746
00:33:53,432 --> 00:33:58,272
Rupert Holmes had been a music-
industry sensation for years.
747
00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:01,470
Trouble was, no one knew it.
748
00:34:01,473 --> 00:34:06,013
Holmes' early-'70s success
ranged from rock and bubblegum
749
00:34:06,011 --> 00:34:08,981
to movie soundtracks and TV.
750
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:12,250
-* Echo Valley 2-6809 *
751
00:34:12,251 --> 00:34:15,491
-I kept thinking,
"That's Shirley Jones,
752
00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:18,787
and she's lip-syncing
to words that I wrote."
753
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:21,230
**
754
00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:24,427
-* Don't you know,
don't you know? *
755
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:27,700
-The Jets would make one
of his songs a top-five hit.
756
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,999
"You Got It All" was later
covered by Britney Spears.
757
00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,842
-* Honey, it's true *
758
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:36,579
* There's just you *
759
00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:39,175
-Holmes' debut album,
"Widescreen,"
760
00:34:39,178 --> 00:34:42,178
was filled with stories
of colorful characters.
761
00:34:42,181 --> 00:34:44,551
The critics took notice.
762
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:45,850
**
763
00:34:45,851 --> 00:34:48,821
-But the label only printed
10,000 copies.
764
00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,820
You can't even have a bomb
with that few copies.
765
00:34:51,823 --> 00:34:57,663
But one copy found its way into
the hands of Barbra Streisand.
766
00:34:57,663 --> 00:34:59,673
-An impressed Streisand
tapped Holmes
767
00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:03,835
to write songs for her new film,
"A Star Is Born."
768
00:35:03,835 --> 00:35:06,665
-My work was getting out
to a larger audience,
769
00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:09,842
and so out of that came
an awful lot of cover versions
770
00:35:09,841 --> 00:35:11,741
of my songs by Barry Manilow,
771
00:35:11,743 --> 00:35:16,953
Dolly Parton,
Dionne Warwick, Mac Davis.
772
00:35:16,948 --> 00:35:18,678
-After four solo albums,
773
00:35:18,684 --> 00:35:21,324
Holmes released
"Partners in Crime."
774
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,750
Its signature song
775
00:35:22,754 --> 00:35:26,564
became the last
number-one single of the 1970s
776
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:28,988
and the first number-one record
of the '80s.
777
00:35:28,994 --> 00:35:32,704
-It was a song in the
right place at the right time.
778
00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:35,268
**
779
00:35:35,267 --> 00:35:39,037
-Or maybe the right song
at the wrong time.
780
00:35:39,037 --> 00:35:43,537
When "Escape" was released,
soft rock was at its peak,
781
00:35:43,542 --> 00:35:47,882
but so was public fatigue
with sensitive guys and beards.
782
00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:51,019
-One of the things I learned
in doing music research
783
00:35:51,016 --> 00:35:52,676
is you can't predict hits,
784
00:35:52,684 --> 00:35:56,094
but you can determine when
a song's been played too much.
785
00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,257
"Piña Colada"
might have had six weeks
786
00:35:58,257 --> 00:35:59,757
when people
were just burned out,
787
00:35:59,758 --> 00:36:02,558
maybe the novelty factor
didn't have the repeatability,
788
00:36:02,561 --> 00:36:05,631
maybe, and they just got
kind of tired of it.
789
00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:07,631
**
790
00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:10,103
[ Doorbell ringing to
the tune of "Escape
(The Piña Colada Song)" ]
791
00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:11,941
-"Escape" eventually became
the emblem
792
00:36:11,937 --> 00:36:13,137
of everything audiences love...
793
00:36:13,138 --> 00:36:14,468
-Campy.
794
00:36:14,473 --> 00:36:17,013
-[ Humming "Escape
(The Piña Colada Song)" ]
795
00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:19,778
-...and love to hate
about soft rock.
796
00:36:19,778 --> 00:36:21,408
-Don't.
I just got it out of my head.
797
00:36:21,413 --> 00:36:25,183
-* If you like piña coladas *
798
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:27,253
-* And getting caught
in the rain *
799
00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:29,493
-* If you're not into yoga *
800
00:36:29,488 --> 00:36:31,158
-* And you got half a brain *
801
00:36:31,156 --> 00:36:33,226
-* If you like
makin' love at midnight *
802
00:36:33,225 --> 00:36:34,655
-* In the dunes of the cape *
803
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:36,900
-Wouldn't you get sand
in your butt?
804
00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,825
-* Write to me and escape *
805
00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:41,900
-I hate that we all know
the words to this song.
806
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:43,470
**
807
00:36:43,469 --> 00:36:45,439
-Holmes left pop music behind
808
00:36:45,437 --> 00:36:47,937
to write mystery novels
and stage plays.
809
00:36:47,939 --> 00:36:50,579
-And the winner is...
"The Mystery of Edwin Drood,"
810
00:36:50,576 --> 00:36:53,136
music and lyrics
by Rupert Holmes.
811
00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:54,854
[ Cheers and applause ]
812
00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:59,246
-1986 was supposed to be the
best year for my family's life.
813
00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:00,551
[ Cheers and applause continue ]
814
00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:02,992
I felt pretty much
on top of the world.
815
00:37:02,988 --> 00:37:06,258
[ Cheers and applause continue ]
816
00:37:06,258 --> 00:37:08,788
**
817
00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:14,634
And a few months after that,
with no warning, no diagnosis,
818
00:37:14,633 --> 00:37:18,503
my beautiful
10-year-old daughter,
819
00:37:18,504 --> 00:37:22,174
Wendy Isobel Holmes, died...
820
00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:24,813
**
821
00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:28,710
...from an undiagnosed
brain tumor.
822
00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:31,024
And she was gone.
823
00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:32,846
**
824
00:37:32,851 --> 00:37:35,191
All the grief and...
825
00:37:35,186 --> 00:37:37,856
**
826
00:37:37,856 --> 00:37:43,526
...sadness of that time,
it was just too much to bear.
827
00:37:43,529 --> 00:37:46,669
And so I had to
stop writing music.
828
00:37:46,665 --> 00:37:51,195
-It took a decade
before he could return to music.
829
00:37:51,202 --> 00:37:53,372
-I finally started writing
the TV series
830
00:37:53,372 --> 00:37:55,942
"Remember WENN" for AMC.
831
00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:58,211
-It's no coincidence that
the series is called
832
00:37:58,209 --> 00:38:01,549
"Remember WENN," W-E-N-N.
833
00:38:01,547 --> 00:38:04,577
That's what I called
my daughter, Wendy.
834
00:38:04,583 --> 00:38:08,393
**
835
00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:10,857
-In 1997, the Los Angeles Times
836
00:38:10,856 --> 00:38:13,686
dubbed Rupert Holmes
an American treasure.
837
00:38:13,692 --> 00:38:17,402
The Washington Post
called him a Renaissance man,
838
00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:20,066
but he's still known
for pineapple drinks
839
00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:21,865
and cheating on your lady.
840
00:38:21,867 --> 00:38:25,897
-Is that the song I always
wanted to be remembered for?
841
00:38:25,904 --> 00:38:28,214
No. No, not at all.
842
00:38:28,206 --> 00:38:30,876
But is it nice to have a song
that everybody knows.
843
00:38:30,876 --> 00:38:36,206
It's only what, as a songwriter,
you dream of all your life.
844
00:38:36,214 --> 00:38:40,254
When my daughter died,
basically, from that point on,
845
00:38:40,251 --> 00:38:42,121
my goal in life
was to make people laugh
846
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,590
if I possibly could.
847
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:45,759
My record label said,
"Can we just call it
848
00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:47,727
'Escape
(The Piña Colada Song)'?"
849
00:38:47,726 --> 00:38:50,796
I said, "Compromise my
artistic integrity?"
850
00:38:50,796 --> 00:38:52,426
[ Laughter ]
851
00:38:52,431 --> 00:38:54,931
So here's "The Piña Colada Song"
for you.
852
00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:56,743
[ Cheers and applause ]
853
00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,735
Because everyone
who's coming to the theater
854
00:38:58,737 --> 00:39:01,907
or seeing the TV show
or reading my novel
855
00:39:01,907 --> 00:39:05,737
or listening
to a soft-rock record...
856
00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:07,914
they've all got something
that they're dealing with.
857
00:39:07,913 --> 00:39:10,283
It was my own lovely lady.
858
00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:12,751
She said, "Oh, it's you."
859
00:39:12,751 --> 00:39:14,221
[ Laughter ]
860
00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:16,759
And if I can take them
out of that for five minutes,
861
00:39:16,755 --> 00:39:18,455
that's a lot to do
with one's life,
862
00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:20,027
It really is.
863
00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:24,125
* Write to me and escape *
864
00:39:24,129 --> 00:39:27,629
[ Cheers and applause ]
865
00:39:38,644 --> 00:39:43,654
-In 1980, America was burned out
on weakness abroad
866
00:39:43,649 --> 00:39:46,689
and recession at home.
867
00:39:46,685 --> 00:39:47,945
The country broke up
868
00:39:47,953 --> 00:39:49,623
with soft-rock
President Jimmy Carter...
869
00:39:49,621 --> 00:39:52,491
-Right on, man.
That's great. That's great.
870
00:39:52,491 --> 00:39:54,831
-...and put some Hollywood
swagger in the White House.
871
00:39:54,826 --> 00:39:56,556
-You wanted law and order
in this town.
872
00:39:56,562 --> 00:39:58,402
You've got it.
873
00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:02,866
I, Ronald Reagan, will preserve,
protect, and defend...
874
00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:05,098
**
875
00:40:05,103 --> 00:40:08,173
-The culture had moved on
from guys
876
00:40:08,173 --> 00:40:12,513
who wanted to sit around
doting on the woman they love.
877
00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:15,181
-I don't understand the thinking
that feels that women are
878
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,980
so inferior
that they can't be included.
879
00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:20,424
**
880
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:23,048
-I'll be back.
881
00:40:23,054 --> 00:40:27,534
-And in the '80s, we were
looking for new male archetypes.
882
00:40:27,526 --> 00:40:31,126
**
883
00:40:31,129 --> 00:40:32,859
-We're not gonna be
that sensitive stuff.
884
00:40:32,864 --> 00:40:34,804
-You're a bitch.
-Wormy little shit.
885
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,070
-I'm new here.
886
00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:38,097
-Just what we need --
another pussy.
887
00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:40,243
-We're gonna be the guy
that jumps out of the car
888
00:40:40,238 --> 00:40:43,438
with the t-shirt and the suit,
like "Miami Vice."
889
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,341
-Freeze! Miami Vice!
890
00:40:45,343 --> 00:40:47,183
-And there's always
a great insurgence
891
00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:49,308
of a new musical style
892
00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:52,384
that replicates
the mood of the times.
893
00:40:52,383 --> 00:40:54,053
-* We're not gonna take it *
894
00:40:54,052 --> 00:40:57,392
-What do you want
to do with your life?!
895
00:40:57,388 --> 00:40:58,818
-I want to rock.
896
00:40:58,824 --> 00:41:01,394
-Oh!
897
00:41:01,392 --> 00:41:05,302
-Back in the '70s
and early '80s,
898
00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:07,326
soft-rock radio programmers
899
00:41:07,332 --> 00:41:10,842
were concerned
about hurting women's ears.
900
00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:13,466
-I was at KOST 103
in Los Angeles.
901
00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:17,411
Hello, and welcome to KOST 103,
the inside story.
902
00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:21,308
-And I understood what soft rock
was all about for a lady,
903
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:24,222
and I think females
are more sensitive
904
00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:26,945
to that hard-rock sound,
that edge.
905
00:41:26,952 --> 00:41:29,092
I think they don't mind guitars
906
00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:32,317
as long as they're
not raucous and edgy.
907
00:41:32,323 --> 00:41:33,993
**
908
00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:37,262
-But a new wave
of women rockers showed...
909
00:41:37,262 --> 00:41:39,972
they could handle
the hard stuff.
910
00:41:39,965 --> 00:41:42,395
So like their delicate
dude counterparts,
911
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440
the vulnerable women
of soft rock
912
00:41:44,435 --> 00:41:47,605
had to make room
for the new musical order.
913
00:41:47,606 --> 00:41:50,306
-In the '80s,
there was a shift away
914
00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:52,438
from that
sensitive singer-songwriter
915
00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:56,453
or cabaret-singer type
toward a more rebellious,
916
00:41:56,447 --> 00:42:00,117
differently self-actualized
woman rock star.
917
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,948
-* I love rock 'n' roll *
918
00:42:01,953 --> 00:42:04,963
* So come and take your time
and dance with me *
919
00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:06,556
* Ow! *
920
00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:07,758
-* Heartbreaker *
921
00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:09,599
* Dream maker *
922
00:42:09,595 --> 00:42:12,625
* Love taker, don't you
mess around, no, no, no *
923
00:42:12,631 --> 00:42:15,471
-* Trapped in a world
that they never made *
924
00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:17,366
* But not me, baby,
I'm too precious *
925
00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:19,338
Fuck off!
926
00:42:19,337 --> 00:42:24,137
-The Bangles were certainly
part of this wave
927
00:42:24,142 --> 00:42:25,812
that was crashing in
928
00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:30,651
and sort of decimating the soft,
gentle sounds of soft rock.
929
00:42:30,649 --> 00:42:34,519
There's this, like,
complete revolution in music.
930
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,389
-* The hero takes a fall *
931
00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:38,887
-* Hero takes a fall *
932
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:43,630
**
933
00:42:43,629 --> 00:42:47,369
-The revolution included
new technologies
934
00:42:47,365 --> 00:42:51,365
that made soft rockers
seem even more out of touch.
935
00:42:51,369 --> 00:42:55,509
-The change was
the drum machine.
936
00:42:55,506 --> 00:42:58,206
There were three different
little boxes.
937
00:42:58,209 --> 00:43:00,009
One of them was called a DMX.
938
00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:02,711
One was Roger Linn, LinnDrum.
939
00:43:02,714 --> 00:43:05,624
And one was the Roland 808.
940
00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:09,317
Those boxes changed the game
because all of a sudden,
941
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,920
you put
the drum track down first,
942
00:43:11,923 --> 00:43:13,223
and that drum track
943
00:43:13,224 --> 00:43:15,864
sort of dictated
what everyone played.
944
00:43:15,861 --> 00:43:18,531
[ Drums playing ]
945
00:43:18,529 --> 00:43:20,469
-That's when it just changed.
946
00:43:20,465 --> 00:43:22,525
And so what you're listening to,
you saying,
947
00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:24,903
"Well, I sort of like this song,
but how come I don't remember?
948
00:43:24,903 --> 00:43:26,103
What's wrong with it?"
949
00:43:26,104 --> 00:43:29,374
Because nothing
got in your soul.
950
00:43:29,374 --> 00:43:31,944
-One of the biggest things
about soft rock was heart.
951
00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:33,383
A lot of heart in those records.
952
00:43:33,378 --> 00:43:36,208
Also a lot of heart
in how they were recorded.
953
00:43:36,214 --> 00:43:37,754
-And now the way we recorded,
954
00:43:37,749 --> 00:43:40,249
the process was
completely different,
955
00:43:40,251 --> 00:43:43,551
and that changed
how soft rock sounded.
956
00:43:43,554 --> 00:43:46,764
-It sounded like
an elephant was playing.
957
00:43:46,758 --> 00:43:51,928
-The snare was like chh,
and I just hated it.
958
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:53,900
-Along with the new technology,
959
00:43:53,899 --> 00:43:57,269
a new wave of producers
employed digital toys
960
00:43:57,268 --> 00:44:00,108
and a bravado
that matched the decade.
961
00:44:00,105 --> 00:44:03,465
It rendered soft rock
unrecognizable.
962
00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:05,744
-I met David Foster
when I was 19.
963
00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:08,454
This is right as
he's about to produce Chicago,
964
00:44:08,446 --> 00:44:11,716
and that really took him into
a whole new level as a producer.
965
00:44:11,717 --> 00:44:14,447
-* Hold me now *
966
00:44:14,452 --> 00:44:17,322
* It's hard for me
to say I'm sorry *
967
00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,462
-I do enjoy working
with established artists.
968
00:44:19,457 --> 00:44:20,957
You know that you're
gonna get the shot.
969
00:44:20,959 --> 00:44:22,289
You know
you're gonna get the shot
970
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:23,903
at having that record heard.
971
00:44:23,895 --> 00:44:26,395
-When David Foster
starts working with Chicago,
972
00:44:26,397 --> 00:44:29,937
you can start hearing the jazz
and R&B influences
973
00:44:29,935 --> 00:44:33,165
that are present in soft rock
start to slip out.
974
00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:37,341
-* I wanna have you
hear me sayin' *
975
00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:40,912
* No one needs you
more than I -- *
976
00:44:40,912 --> 00:44:42,652
**
977
00:44:42,647 --> 00:44:46,477
-David Foster came in,
and we had a verbal fight.
978
00:44:46,484 --> 00:44:48,224
And he said, "I'm the producer.
979
00:44:48,219 --> 00:44:49,859
I'm gonna produce the record."
980
00:44:49,855 --> 00:44:54,685
But now I think he admits that
he probably overproduced it.
981
00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:56,532
**s
982
00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:59,767
-In 1980s,
soft rock was transitioning
983
00:44:59,765 --> 00:45:03,495
into what would be termed
adult contemporary.
984
00:45:03,501 --> 00:45:06,401
-That transition brought
a new style of love song
985
00:45:06,404 --> 00:45:11,244
that wasn't exactly soft
but wasn't rock, either.
986
00:45:11,242 --> 00:45:14,112
-Once we get to the late 80s,
early '90s,
987
00:45:14,112 --> 00:45:17,382
there's this glut
of power ballads...
988
00:45:17,382 --> 00:45:22,152
-* When a man loves a woman *
989
00:45:22,153 --> 00:45:27,663
-...and that slowly brought
other artists into the pool.
990
00:45:27,658 --> 00:45:30,428
So somebody pissed in the pool,
and it got polluted.
991
00:45:30,428 --> 00:45:31,998
-[ Vocalizing ]
992
00:45:31,997 --> 00:45:34,397
-At least your name
isn't Michael Bolton.
993
00:45:34,399 --> 00:45:36,199
-You know, there's nothing wrong
with that name.
994
00:45:36,201 --> 00:45:39,841
-There was nothing wrong with it
until I was about 12 years old
995
00:45:39,838 --> 00:45:42,208
and that no-talent
ass clown became famous
996
00:45:42,207 --> 00:45:44,907
and started winning Grammys.
997
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:47,480
-Punk rockers coming of age,
998
00:45:47,478 --> 00:45:51,978
macho culture,
tougher women, MTV,
999
00:45:51,983 --> 00:45:56,223
too much cheese, drum machines,
overproduction,
1000
00:45:56,221 --> 00:45:59,391
and the triumph
of adult contemporary
1001
00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:02,330
each chipped away at soft rock.
1002
00:46:02,327 --> 00:46:04,397
With Chicago and other bands
losing control
1003
00:46:04,395 --> 00:46:06,825
of their own direction,
1004
00:46:06,832 --> 00:46:10,342
the golden age of soft rock
came to a crashing end.
1005
00:46:10,335 --> 00:46:18,575
**
1006
00:46:18,576 --> 00:46:21,876
-When you ask
what happened to Pablo Cruise,
1007
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,480
it was just kind of like,
1008
00:46:23,481 --> 00:46:25,221
this isn't happening
for us anymore.
1009
00:46:25,216 --> 00:46:27,786
Dave and I couldn't
write anymore.
1010
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:28,915
**
1011
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,590
-It became the different
kind of writing,
1012
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:34,559
everything being
heavy synthesizers,
1013
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,399
Pro Tools,
everything being sequenced.
1014
00:46:37,395 --> 00:46:40,325
And I just didn't want
to do it anymore.
1015
00:46:40,331 --> 00:46:42,271
**
1016
00:46:42,267 --> 00:46:46,867
-In Chicago,
Danny was always a fluid player,
1017
00:46:46,872 --> 00:46:51,112
but after a while,
it stopped working with Danny
1018
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:57,079
because music had moved on
and Danny didn't move with it.
1019
00:46:57,082 --> 00:46:59,622
If he had played along
with those drum machines,
1020
00:46:59,617 --> 00:47:02,747
We'd probably still be together.
1021
00:47:02,753 --> 00:47:05,763
-A&M had decided that we weren't
gonna have anymore hits,
1022
00:47:05,756 --> 00:47:08,656
and so we went on
to Casablanca Records.
1023
00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:11,629
And then Casablanca fell apart,
was bought
1024
00:47:11,629 --> 00:47:15,299
by some other record company
that didn't care about us,
1025
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:19,470
and we couldn't get
any traction after that.
1026
00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:22,670
-Ambrosia went on hiatus
in 1983,
1027
00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:28,313
and for about five, six years,
we were no longer in existence.
1028
00:47:28,313 --> 00:47:29,923
-For soft rockers,
1029
00:47:29,915 --> 00:47:33,645
the new decade was
a desolate wilderness.
1030
00:47:33,651 --> 00:47:37,761
As Orleans bassist Lance Hoppen
told journalist Greg Prato,
1031
00:47:37,755 --> 00:47:40,985
"The '80s were very unkind
to us.
1032
00:47:40,992 --> 00:47:42,992
Depressingly so."
1033
00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:44,634
**
1034
00:47:44,629 --> 00:47:47,299
-England Dan
and John Ford Coley.
1035
00:47:47,298 --> 00:47:49,798
You know, we were on A&M,
but man,
1036
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,670
in the '80s, we were suffering.
1037
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:55,010
We couldn't get anything going
for love, money,
1038
00:47:55,006 --> 00:47:56,366
chocolate, or marbles.
1039
00:47:56,374 --> 00:47:59,014
There was just nobody
that was gonna touch me.
1040
00:47:59,010 --> 00:48:00,980
**
1041
00:48:00,979 --> 00:48:04,679
-Others couldn't even find
an audience for nostalgia.
1042
00:48:04,682 --> 00:48:07,822
Michael McDonald said people
thought listening to his music
1043
00:48:07,818 --> 00:48:10,718
became like
eating dish detergent.
1044
00:48:10,721 --> 00:48:12,691
**
1045
00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:15,530
Personal issues interrupted
other careers.
1046
00:48:15,526 --> 00:48:17,696
After reaching
his professional pinnacle
1047
00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:19,695
with the "Ghostbusters" theme,
1048
00:48:19,697 --> 00:48:24,397
Ray Parker Jr.
faded from the charts.
1049
00:48:24,402 --> 00:48:26,702
-My parents got sick.
1050
00:48:26,704 --> 00:48:28,744
So I was going through
some real-world problems,
1051
00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:30,379
like I'm getting ready
to lose my mother.
1052
00:48:30,375 --> 00:48:33,835
I'm getting ready
to lose my father.
1053
00:48:33,844 --> 00:48:38,384
And so that later '80s
through the mid-'90s,
1054
00:48:38,383 --> 00:48:40,923
I couldn't write a song
to save my life.
1055
00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:42,648
**
1056
00:48:42,653 --> 00:48:45,193
-Soft rockers
finally had to face it --
1057
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:50,200
if they ever had been,
they just weren't cool anymore.
1058
00:48:50,195 --> 00:48:54,195
Between 1990 and 2003,
Hall and Oates released
1059
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:56,229
just one album together.
1060
00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:59,044
It peaked at number 95.
1061
00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:01,707
The cover depicted
the one-time hit kings
1062
00:49:01,706 --> 00:49:04,406
walking into
a bright, existential light,
1063
00:49:04,409 --> 00:49:07,449
meekly accepting the inevitable.
1064
00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:11,015
The void before soft rockers
appeared vast.
1065
00:49:11,016 --> 00:49:14,346
What neither they nor anyone
else could predict
1066
00:49:14,352 --> 00:49:16,952
was that
on the other side of that abyss
1067
00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:22,794
awaited the most fantastic
reincarnation in music history.
1068
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:25,903
-* Gonna find my baby,
gonna hold her tight *
1069
00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:29,066
-As Ron Burgundy
discovered in "Anchorman,"
1070
00:49:29,067 --> 00:49:34,237
no matter how hard we tried,
we just couldn't quit soft rock.
1071
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,939
-* Afternoon delight *
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