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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,602 --> 00:00:06,812 -* MTV * 2 00:00:07,875 --> 00:00:11,175 Allow it to move in a circle with your shoulders. 3 00:00:11,179 --> 00:00:15,179 -America in the '70s was in need of relief... 4 00:00:15,183 --> 00:00:18,923 and soft rock was there like a sonic colonic. 5 00:00:18,919 --> 00:00:20,119 ** 6 00:00:20,121 --> 00:00:22,361 It was time to love again. 7 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:25,056 -* Do you want to make love? * 8 00:00:25,059 --> 00:00:27,829 -* If you love me, let me know * 9 00:00:27,828 --> 00:00:29,858 -* Your love keeps lifting me * 10 00:00:29,863 --> 00:00:31,933 * Higher and higher * 11 00:00:31,932 --> 00:00:33,672 [ Cheers and applause ] 12 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:37,637 -And faster than you could order another round of piña coladas... 13 00:00:37,638 --> 00:00:38,908 [ Cheers and applause ] 14 00:00:38,906 --> 00:00:42,036 ...soft rock was raking in hard cash. 15 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:45,752 -Chicago -- We were in 270 countries, 16 00:00:45,746 --> 00:00:47,476 and "If You Leave Me Now" 17 00:00:47,481 --> 00:00:49,721 was number one in every one of them... 18 00:00:49,717 --> 00:00:51,147 at the same time. 19 00:00:51,152 --> 00:00:52,652 [ Cheers and applause ] 20 00:00:52,653 --> 00:00:54,923 -You start to feel like, you know, you're bulletproof. 21 00:00:54,922 --> 00:00:57,732 You know, we can't fail. 22 00:00:57,725 --> 00:01:01,195 -But the good times couldn't go on forever. 23 00:01:01,195 --> 00:01:02,855 -Welcome to the '80s. 24 00:01:02,863 --> 00:01:05,833 -We're here to pump...you up. 25 00:01:05,833 --> 00:01:07,273 -I must break you. 26 00:01:07,268 --> 00:01:10,868 -The world got tired of silly love songs. 27 00:01:12,773 --> 00:01:15,043 -Soft rock became not cool. 28 00:01:15,042 --> 00:01:17,352 -God damn nerds. -Nerds! 29 00:01:17,345 --> 00:01:20,245 -Nerds! -Nerds! -Nerds! 30 00:01:20,248 --> 00:01:24,078 -It was designed for the masses. 31 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:27,194 -Nothing got in your soul. 32 00:01:27,188 --> 00:01:31,128 -Soft rock was really schmaltzy, too poppy. 33 00:01:31,125 --> 00:01:33,125 -Like, funky dentist music. 34 00:01:33,127 --> 00:01:34,997 -It's the only kind of music 35 00:01:34,995 --> 00:01:37,565 that makes me break out in hives. 36 00:01:37,565 --> 00:01:40,265 -I think of sunburnt Boomer bellies, 37 00:01:40,268 --> 00:01:43,768 Hawaiian shirts, old ass and titties hanging out. 38 00:01:43,771 --> 00:01:47,111 -People thought soft rock is gone, it's dead. 39 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:49,137 Nobody wants to hear it anymore. 40 00:01:49,143 --> 00:01:51,553 -This sucks. -Talk about lame. 41 00:01:51,545 --> 00:01:54,145 -It's pointless. It's pointless. I hate it. 42 00:01:54,148 --> 00:01:56,048 -Pop goes the bubble. 43 00:01:56,049 --> 00:01:58,349 -Could soft rock survive? 44 00:01:58,352 --> 00:02:00,492 ** 45 00:02:00,488 --> 00:02:04,018 -* Sometimes when we touch * 46 00:02:10,564 --> 00:02:19,844 ** 47 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,070 ** 48 00:02:21,074 --> 00:02:23,914 -The Song of the Year is... 49 00:02:23,911 --> 00:02:25,781 "What a Fool Believes"! 50 00:02:25,779 --> 00:02:27,349 [ Cheers and applause ] 51 00:02:27,348 --> 00:02:32,518 -Heading into the 1980s, soft rock was loving life. 52 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,660 New stars like Michael McDonald... 53 00:02:34,655 --> 00:02:36,655 -* I got to try * 54 00:02:36,657 --> 00:02:38,027 -...Christopher Cross... 55 00:02:38,025 --> 00:02:39,325 -Christopher, I'd say you've done pretty well 56 00:02:39,327 --> 00:02:40,827 with these next two songs. 57 00:02:40,828 --> 00:02:43,198 -When I recorded them, I was hoping they'd be good. 58 00:02:43,197 --> 00:02:47,197 -...and Air Supply looked like kings of the new decade. 59 00:02:47,201 --> 00:02:49,501 -Please welcome Air Supply. 60 00:02:49,503 --> 00:02:51,143 -Air Supply. 61 00:02:51,138 --> 00:02:53,038 -Here is Air Supply. 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,040 -"Solid Gold" was bringing its sound to millions on TV. 63 00:02:57,044 --> 00:02:59,214 -Welcome to "Solid Gold." 64 00:02:59,213 --> 00:03:01,253 -Its hosts were soft rockers... 65 00:03:01,249 --> 00:03:03,849 -Welcome back for another great year of "Solid Gold." 66 00:03:03,851 --> 00:03:06,891 -...and its cast performed interpretive dances 67 00:03:06,887 --> 00:03:08,417 of soft-rock hits. 68 00:03:08,422 --> 00:03:11,862 -* Things will never be the same again * 69 00:03:11,859 --> 00:03:16,859 * I keep forgetting how you made that so clear * 70 00:03:16,864 --> 00:03:21,034 -But a shift in music had been rumbling for years. 71 00:03:21,034 --> 00:03:23,704 Some of the most popular soft-rock songs 72 00:03:23,704 --> 00:03:28,014 were on shakier ground than the Top 40 charts revealed. 73 00:03:28,008 --> 00:03:31,178 -* Do that to me one more time * 74 00:03:31,178 --> 00:03:33,908 -* I miss you more than I * 75 00:03:33,914 --> 00:03:35,284 * Missed you before, and I * 76 00:03:35,283 --> 00:03:38,723 -* I'll be in love with you * 77 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:40,619 -The sound was still as smooth... 78 00:03:40,621 --> 00:03:43,591 -* Friday night, it was late, I was walking you home * 79 00:03:43,591 --> 00:03:45,291 * We got down to the gate * 80 00:03:45,293 --> 00:03:47,233 -...but a new generation was getting bored 81 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:49,027 with all things mellow. 82 00:03:49,029 --> 00:03:50,759 -In the late 1970s, 83 00:03:50,764 --> 00:03:53,934 soft rock was speaking to people older than me. 84 00:03:53,934 --> 00:03:56,944 -* Walking through the park and reminiscing * 85 00:03:56,937 --> 00:03:59,667 -A lot of that soft rock was definitely not made 86 00:03:59,673 --> 00:04:01,043 for somebody my age. 87 00:04:01,041 --> 00:04:02,641 I needed some angst. 88 00:04:02,643 --> 00:04:05,083 [ Punk music plays ] 89 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:07,618 I needed punk rock to happen. 90 00:04:07,615 --> 00:04:10,315 ** 91 00:04:10,318 --> 00:04:12,448 -And then suddenly... 92 00:04:12,453 --> 00:04:15,393 hippies were out, anger was in. 93 00:04:15,389 --> 00:04:18,789 -* I am an anti-Christ * 94 00:04:18,792 --> 00:04:22,332 * And I am an anarchist * 95 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:25,600 [ Cheers and applause ] 96 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:31,309 -In 1977, A&M Records, the label most associated with soft rock, 97 00:04:31,305 --> 00:04:34,475 decided its future lay with the most notorious band 98 00:04:34,475 --> 00:04:37,545 in the history of rock and roll... 99 00:04:37,545 --> 00:04:39,005 the Sex Pistols. 100 00:04:39,012 --> 00:04:42,752 -God save the Queen. 101 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:45,450 -After EMI dumped the Sex Pistols, 102 00:04:45,453 --> 00:04:46,853 A&M Records picked them up 103 00:04:46,854 --> 00:04:49,294 and staged a contract-signing ceremony 104 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:51,359 in front of Buckingham Palace. 105 00:04:51,359 --> 00:04:53,589 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 106 00:04:53,594 --> 00:04:57,634 -Jerry Moss of A&M Records really had the vision. 107 00:04:57,631 --> 00:05:00,501 I think he had seen trends shift before 108 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:03,001 and was ready to jump on this one. 109 00:05:03,003 --> 00:05:05,343 ** 110 00:05:05,339 --> 00:05:07,309 -Daryl and I worked at A&M. 111 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:08,877 We recorded there. 112 00:05:08,876 --> 00:05:10,636 And after the word came out 113 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:13,854 about them signing the Sex Pistols, 114 00:05:13,847 --> 00:05:16,847 Karen and I were standing there, and she said, 115 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:21,360 "You know, we were the kind of music that made this label. 116 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:23,015 What are they doing?" 117 00:05:23,023 --> 00:05:27,663 And I said, "Karen, they're trying to stay hip." 118 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:33,401 And to them, hip was signing this Sex Pistols thing. 119 00:05:33,401 --> 00:05:36,441 And she said, "Well, I don't think it's right." 120 00:05:36,437 --> 00:05:39,167 -They are a group called the Sex Pistols. 121 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:40,972 -You dirty bastards. 122 00:05:40,974 --> 00:05:42,844 -Again. -You dirty fucker. 123 00:05:42,843 --> 00:05:45,283 -What a clever boy. -What a fucking rotter. 124 00:05:45,278 --> 00:05:46,848 -Well, that's it for tonight. 125 00:05:46,847 --> 00:05:49,177 -Well, they went in and trashed the headquarters 126 00:05:49,182 --> 00:05:50,522 at A&M in England. 127 00:05:50,518 --> 00:05:52,388 I mean, just trashed it, 128 00:05:52,386 --> 00:05:54,656 and they never made an album for A&M. 129 00:05:54,655 --> 00:05:57,315 So I thought, "Well, that's what you get." 130 00:05:57,324 --> 00:05:58,794 [ Laughs ] 131 00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:01,162 [ Rock music plays ] 132 00:06:01,161 --> 00:06:04,631 -Punk was gaining momentum. 133 00:06:04,632 --> 00:06:06,702 -During the soft-rock years, 134 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,800 you couldn't get the attention of the record companies 135 00:06:08,802 --> 00:06:13,042 unless you had that distilled, manufactured sound. 136 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,980 It was just a very closed shop. The walls were high. 137 00:06:15,976 --> 00:06:17,476 You couldn't climb over, 138 00:06:17,478 --> 00:06:20,308 so the punk movement decided to blow up the walls. 139 00:06:20,313 --> 00:06:23,553 -* Born * 140 00:06:23,551 --> 00:06:27,351 * Born in the '50s * 141 00:06:27,354 --> 00:06:28,764 [ Cheers and applause ] 142 00:06:28,756 --> 00:06:31,426 -In the late '70s, the studio wizardry 143 00:06:31,425 --> 00:06:34,555 that elevated soft rock was turned against it. 144 00:06:34,562 --> 00:06:37,802 -In The Police, we didn't have no bang producer. 145 00:06:37,798 --> 00:06:41,438 The first couple of Police albums cost 20 cents to make, 146 00:06:41,435 --> 00:06:44,065 and we did them in two or three weeks. 147 00:06:44,071 --> 00:06:49,141 -In 1978, undeterred by its failure with the Sex Pistols, 148 00:06:49,142 --> 00:06:51,752 A&M signed The Police. 149 00:06:51,745 --> 00:06:53,745 -When we first arrived in America, 150 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:57,417 it was certainly our intention to be a changing of the guard 151 00:06:57,417 --> 00:07:00,117 because who doesn't want to be revolutionary? 152 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,620 ** 153 00:07:01,622 --> 00:07:03,422 -I remember being on the lot, 154 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,633 and one of the guys from A&M said, 155 00:07:05,626 --> 00:07:08,626 "We just signed this band," and it was The Police. 156 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:10,459 I was like, "We're done." 157 00:07:10,464 --> 00:07:14,474 It was like Sting was just too great. 158 00:07:14,468 --> 00:07:17,268 -One of the greatest weekends I ever had, 159 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:19,770 I go to see The Police for 2 bucks. 160 00:07:19,773 --> 00:07:23,513 The guy at the ticket counter was obviously into soft rock. 161 00:07:23,511 --> 00:07:26,651 He goes, "Hey, this band, The Police? 162 00:07:26,647 --> 00:07:28,777 You guys better enjoy this while you can 163 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:31,592 'cause they're going nowhere." 164 00:07:31,585 --> 00:07:35,685 -Let me hear if you are ready for The Police! 165 00:07:35,689 --> 00:07:37,119 Whoo! 166 00:07:37,124 --> 00:07:38,664 [ Cheers and applause ] 167 00:07:38,659 --> 00:07:41,289 -The Police did completely change the sound 168 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:42,964 of what became pop radio. 169 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:45,673 -* Roxanne * -* Put on the red light * 170 00:07:45,733 --> 00:07:48,343 -* Roxanne * -* Put on the red light * 171 00:07:48,335 --> 00:07:50,295 -Were new wavers sentimental? 172 00:07:50,303 --> 00:07:54,443 Let's just say they had a different approach to love. 173 00:07:54,441 --> 00:07:58,981 -* All by myself * 174 00:07:58,979 --> 00:08:02,419 -While soft rock was about seduction and sobbing... 175 00:08:02,415 --> 00:08:04,345 -* I ran 20 doors * 176 00:08:04,351 --> 00:08:06,191 * Around the house, black and blue * 177 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:07,986 -...the new music was aggressive... 178 00:08:07,988 --> 00:08:09,758 -* Is she really going out with him? * 179 00:08:09,757 --> 00:08:11,787 -...edgy... 180 00:08:11,792 --> 00:08:13,132 -* I might like you better * 181 00:08:13,126 --> 00:08:14,526 -...profane. -* If we slept together * 182 00:08:14,528 --> 00:08:16,358 -* Orgasm addict * 183 00:08:16,363 --> 00:08:18,733 * You're an orgasm addict * 184 00:08:18,732 --> 00:08:21,602 -"Orgasm Addict" is about being in love with your hand. 185 00:08:21,602 --> 00:08:23,002 -* Your mother wants to know * 186 00:08:23,003 --> 00:08:24,403 * What all those stains on your jeans * 187 00:08:24,404 --> 00:08:26,014 * You're an orgasm addict * 188 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:28,636 -Is there any Buzzcocks song that's just like, 189 00:08:28,642 --> 00:08:30,842 "I love you and you love me, and this is great 190 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:32,754 and now I'm gonna love you for the end of time"? 191 00:08:32,746 --> 00:08:35,016 No. 192 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:37,915 Like, I don't think Air Supply ever had a song that was like, 193 00:08:37,918 --> 00:08:39,118 "Fuck you! 194 00:08:39,119 --> 00:08:40,649 You'll be sorry you dumped me." 195 00:08:40,654 --> 00:08:43,924 That's not what "All Out of Love" was saying, you know? 196 00:08:43,924 --> 00:08:46,734 ** 197 00:08:46,727 --> 00:08:51,027 -UK music magazine NME named post-punk indie classic 198 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:55,071 "Love Will Tear Us Apart" the greatest single in history. 199 00:08:55,068 --> 00:08:56,598 -* Love * 200 00:08:56,604 --> 00:09:01,344 * Love will tear us apart again * 201 00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:05,881 -It defined a new type of love song for a new decade. 202 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,579 -Joy Division was a beautiful illustration 203 00:09:08,582 --> 00:09:12,052 of how to take * love will keep us together * 204 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:16,292 and kind of, you know, flip it the bird. 205 00:09:16,289 --> 00:09:17,889 -"Love Will Tear Us Apart" -- 206 00:09:17,891 --> 00:09:20,891 it's got this kind of sweet sway to it, 207 00:09:20,894 --> 00:09:23,764 but it's singing something incredibly sad. 208 00:09:23,764 --> 00:09:25,734 -* Love will tear us apart * 209 00:09:25,733 --> 00:09:28,443 -And the music video is very dark. 210 00:09:28,435 --> 00:09:30,535 -"Love, love will tear us apart" 211 00:09:30,537 --> 00:09:34,037 because that is fucking the truth. 212 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:35,441 Love ruins you. 213 00:09:35,442 --> 00:09:36,882 Love wrecks you. 214 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:39,447 "Love Will Keep Us Together" 215 00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:42,446 makes you believe a beautiful lie, 216 00:09:42,449 --> 00:09:44,789 but in "Love Will Tear Us Apart," 217 00:09:44,785 --> 00:09:47,755 the singer is like, "We're gonna fall in love, 218 00:09:47,755 --> 00:09:50,915 and it's gonna fucking destroy us." 219 00:09:50,924 --> 00:09:54,804 -Joy Division is great, but it's kind of a red flag. 220 00:09:54,795 --> 00:09:56,955 If you run across somebody on Tinder 221 00:09:56,964 --> 00:09:58,934 who is maybe more into "Love Will Tear Us Apart" 222 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:01,132 than "Love Will Keep Us Together," 223 00:10:01,134 --> 00:10:03,304 you should avoid them. 224 00:10:03,303 --> 00:10:04,943 ** 225 00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:09,308 -Punk and new wave began the assault on balladeering. 226 00:10:09,309 --> 00:10:12,249 Then came the heavy artillery... 227 00:10:12,245 --> 00:10:16,945 a new brand of uber machismo that defined the 1980s. 228 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:19,120 -To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, 229 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:21,289 and to hear the lamentation of their women. 230 00:10:21,288 --> 00:10:24,088 -...which had no need for wimpy soft rockers... 231 00:10:24,091 --> 00:10:25,331 -* Da-da-da * 232 00:10:25,325 --> 00:10:27,585 * Da-da-da * 233 00:10:27,594 --> 00:10:29,334 -...a torrent of parody... 234 00:10:29,329 --> 00:10:32,369 -* Sometimes when we touch * 235 00:10:32,365 --> 00:10:34,125 -...and new technology 236 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:36,374 that would eviscerate the soft-rock sound... 237 00:10:36,369 --> 00:10:40,809 -The whole genre started to cave in on itself from above. 238 00:10:40,808 --> 00:10:42,438 -...and an unexpected force 239 00:10:42,442 --> 00:10:47,352 was set to blast soft rock into a galaxy far, far away. 240 00:10:47,347 --> 00:10:48,847 ** 241 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:55,690 -Announcing the latest achievement 242 00:10:55,689 --> 00:10:57,189 in home entertainment -- 243 00:10:57,190 --> 00:11:00,730 the power of sight, video, the power of sound. 244 00:11:00,728 --> 00:11:03,328 MTV -- Music Television. 245 00:11:03,330 --> 00:11:08,270 -MTV launched a revolution in 1981, 246 00:11:08,268 --> 00:11:11,398 but video didn't kill all the radio stars -- 247 00:11:11,404 --> 00:11:13,744 at least not at first. 248 00:11:13,741 --> 00:11:15,411 ** 249 00:11:15,408 --> 00:11:16,808 -Alright. One minute to air. 250 00:11:16,810 --> 00:11:19,210 -First time live. -Is this the first time live? 251 00:11:19,212 --> 00:11:20,582 -First time live from the studio ever. 252 00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:22,750 -MTV has never done anything live? 253 00:11:22,750 --> 00:11:25,820 -Not from the studio ever. 254 00:11:25,819 --> 00:11:27,389 I'm Mark Goodman, 255 00:11:27,387 --> 00:11:29,587 and if you want to talk to Daryl Hall and John Oates, 256 00:11:29,589 --> 00:11:33,089 all you need is this -- one index finger 257 00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:35,033 to dial one telephone. 258 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:37,098 Welcome to MTV, you guys. 259 00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:38,727 -Oh, yeah. 260 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:43,642 -Hall and Oates were the first group that I really started 261 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:45,106 looking at their videos. 262 00:11:45,105 --> 00:11:46,735 -* Private eyes * 263 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:49,180 * They're watching you * 264 00:11:49,176 --> 00:11:50,636 * I want to play that * 265 00:11:50,643 --> 00:11:51,883 * One on one * 266 00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:55,419 * I want to play that game tonight * 267 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:57,575 -Their videos really just, like, jumped out 268 00:11:57,584 --> 00:12:00,454 because they were really well-shot, well-done. 269 00:12:00,453 --> 00:12:03,093 They had, like, a little bit of a storyline to them. 270 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:08,030 -* And you move in close, a little bit means so much * 271 00:12:08,028 --> 00:12:10,128 -And the songs were so catchy. 272 00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:12,430 -* But I can't go for that, no * 273 00:12:12,432 --> 00:12:14,432 * No can do * 274 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:18,314 -I loved me some Hall & Oates. 275 00:12:18,305 --> 00:12:21,305 -Following the launch of MTV, Lionel Richie 276 00:12:21,308 --> 00:12:24,308 broke off from the Commodores and went solo. 277 00:12:24,311 --> 00:12:26,451 Free to let his sentimental side lose, 278 00:12:26,446 --> 00:12:29,316 he reeled off a string of soft-rock classics, 279 00:12:29,316 --> 00:12:31,316 like "Say You, Say Me." 280 00:12:31,318 --> 00:12:35,018 -* Say you, say me * 281 00:12:35,022 --> 00:12:39,062 * Say it together, naturally * 282 00:12:39,059 --> 00:12:43,329 -* Joanna * 283 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:47,000 * I love you * 284 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,670 ** 285 00:12:48,668 --> 00:12:51,968 -The fact that Kool & the Gang had videos on MTV 286 00:12:51,972 --> 00:12:55,212 and that "Joanna" was the number-one played song 287 00:12:55,208 --> 00:12:56,978 in the country at the time, 288 00:12:56,977 --> 00:13:00,577 we had a lot more fans than we did in the '70s. 289 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:02,250 -* Cherish the love * 290 00:13:02,249 --> 00:13:04,019 * Cherish the life * 291 00:13:04,017 --> 00:13:06,187 -But soon... 292 00:13:06,186 --> 00:13:07,986 [ Music distorts ] 293 00:13:07,988 --> 00:13:10,258 [ Rock music plays ] 294 00:13:10,257 --> 00:13:14,287 ...mellow was bumped to the background. 295 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:16,804 -MTV -- no slow weekend, no slow songs. 296 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:18,326 We're gonna whip you into a frenzy 297 00:13:18,331 --> 00:13:19,631 with the fastest weekend ever -- 298 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:21,302 with the fastest weekend ever on MTV. 299 00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:22,641 -The rocking-est, the fastest, 300 00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:25,665 the hardest of rock and roll. 301 00:13:25,672 --> 00:13:28,182 -And unlike Hall, Oates, and Richie, 302 00:13:28,175 --> 00:13:31,575 most soft rockers became early casualties. 303 00:13:31,578 --> 00:13:32,978 ** 304 00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:37,020 -* I know, know what's on your mind * 305 00:13:37,017 --> 00:13:39,517 Singing and songwriting -- it's an auditory thing. 306 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:42,559 It's about the impressions and stream of consciousness 307 00:13:42,555 --> 00:13:45,555 that the music brings to your mind, not about... 308 00:13:45,558 --> 00:13:47,088 in my opinion, a video 309 00:13:47,094 --> 00:13:48,934 of someone else's impression of what the song is. 310 00:13:48,929 --> 00:13:54,269 * 'Cause it's alright, think we're gonna make it * 311 00:13:54,267 --> 00:13:56,697 ** 312 00:13:56,703 --> 00:13:59,873 -Pre-MTV, Christopher Cross was a star, 313 00:13:59,873 --> 00:14:03,413 despite early resistance from his record company. 314 00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:07,410 -Christopher Cross in 1980 put out his first album, 315 00:14:07,414 --> 00:14:10,424 which had probably low expectations, 316 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:13,847 but he was being groomed to be a kind of soft-rock guy. 317 00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:16,893 -Warners initially didn't believe in my material, 318 00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:19,730 and their plan was to give me other material to record. 319 00:14:19,726 --> 00:14:22,356 -There was a notion about his talent 320 00:14:22,362 --> 00:14:24,202 that for whatever reason -- 321 00:14:24,197 --> 00:14:26,467 maybe we were just being snobs -- 322 00:14:26,466 --> 00:14:30,066 we just didn't have that feeling about him. 323 00:14:30,070 --> 00:14:32,610 But a junior A&R person who turned out to be 324 00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:36,275 the head of department years later, Michael Ostin, 325 00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:37,736 fought for him. 326 00:14:37,744 --> 00:14:41,924 It was an almost mistake we made, but we didn't. 327 00:14:41,915 --> 00:14:43,745 -You know, the album came out in 1980, 328 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:47,050 and "Ride Like the Wind" hit, and that was it. 329 00:14:47,054 --> 00:14:49,964 * Ride, ride like the wind * 330 00:14:49,957 --> 00:14:52,087 * To be free again * 331 00:14:52,092 --> 00:14:55,662 -And for the Grammys, he ended up sweeping. 332 00:14:55,662 --> 00:14:57,972 -"Sailing," Christopher Cross. -Whoo! "Sailing." 333 00:14:57,965 --> 00:14:59,965 -* Sailing * 334 00:14:59,967 --> 00:15:01,527 "Sailing" was really never supposed to be 335 00:15:01,534 --> 00:15:03,474 released as a single, but I-I got to say, 336 00:15:03,470 --> 00:15:05,770 I'm really glad it was. 337 00:15:05,772 --> 00:15:08,112 -Christopher Cross has set a Grammy record 338 00:15:08,108 --> 00:15:11,678 that he would hold for 40 years, until Billie Eilish came along, 339 00:15:11,678 --> 00:15:14,448 winning Album of the Year, Best New Artist, 340 00:15:14,447 --> 00:15:17,317 Song of the Year, and Record of the Year. 341 00:15:17,317 --> 00:15:19,247 -He not only swept the Grammys -- 342 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:23,622 in 1982, he took home an Oscar for "Arthur's Theme." 343 00:15:23,623 --> 00:15:25,533 The winners are Burt Bacharach, Carole Bayer Sager, 344 00:15:25,525 --> 00:15:27,455 Christopher Cross, and Peter Allen! 345 00:15:27,460 --> 00:15:32,700 -* When you get caught between the moon and New York City * 346 00:15:32,699 --> 00:15:35,969 [ Cheers and applause ] 347 00:15:35,969 --> 00:15:40,509 -But I don't recall ever seeing Christopher Cross on MTV...once. 348 00:15:40,507 --> 00:15:44,577 MTV had kind of made him irrelevant. 349 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:46,277 It's sad, actually. 350 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,349 -If my career is -- is meant to be based on sex appeal 351 00:15:49,349 --> 00:15:52,189 or looking like Leonardo DiCaprio, 352 00:15:52,185 --> 00:15:54,345 well, then, I'm out of luck. 353 00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,364 -The failure of its biggest new star 354 00:15:56,356 --> 00:15:59,926 to make it on MTV wasn't a good sign. 355 00:15:59,926 --> 00:16:01,956 Soon, soft rockers on the channel 356 00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:04,731 felt like awkward party crashers. 357 00:16:04,731 --> 00:16:07,401 ** 358 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,500 -I want my MTV! -MTV. 359 00:16:10,503 --> 00:16:15,743 -* [ Rapping ] The place to be to see videos of the century * 360 00:16:15,742 --> 00:16:18,852 ** 361 00:16:18,845 --> 00:16:23,675 -MTV didn't deliberately make soft rock uncool, 362 00:16:23,683 --> 00:16:27,923 but when video came along, people thought 363 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,220 that's what you had to do to be down, 364 00:16:31,224 --> 00:16:33,464 to belong, to be accepted. 365 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,400 ** 366 00:16:35,395 --> 00:16:38,395 -The big setback for a lot of musicians 367 00:16:38,398 --> 00:16:40,868 was it became all about the visual 368 00:16:40,867 --> 00:16:46,707 and all about the imaging of rock-star people. 369 00:16:46,706 --> 00:16:48,976 -Once music videos took over, 370 00:16:48,975 --> 00:16:52,175 we got survival of the photogenic. 371 00:16:52,179 --> 00:16:53,609 ** 372 00:16:53,613 --> 00:16:56,223 -In the early days of MTV, they'd just get the band 373 00:16:56,216 --> 00:16:59,216 looking handsome somewhere, and they'd bounce around. 374 00:16:59,219 --> 00:17:00,719 And there's your video. 375 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,260 Certainly, that was our videos. 376 00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:05,886 ** 377 00:17:05,892 --> 00:17:08,432 -Even soft rock's heaviest hitters 378 00:17:08,428 --> 00:17:11,398 gave in to their worst impulses. 379 00:17:11,398 --> 00:17:14,668 Lionel Richie reached the pinnacle of treacle in 1984... 380 00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:16,037 -* Hello * 381 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:18,835 -...with a video that would never be forgotten. 382 00:17:18,838 --> 00:17:23,108 -* Is it me you're looking for? * 383 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:26,980 -Lionel Richie's "Hello" video had a storyline. 384 00:17:26,979 --> 00:17:30,819 He fell in love with a blind woman and followed her, 385 00:17:30,817 --> 00:17:32,747 and he was just, like, singing to her. 386 00:17:32,752 --> 00:17:38,532 -* I sometimes see you pass outside my door * 387 00:17:38,525 --> 00:17:40,255 -What it really is about 388 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:43,960 if how easy it is to stalk someone who can't see. 389 00:17:43,963 --> 00:17:46,133 -* Hello * 390 00:17:46,133 --> 00:17:47,633 -While some soft rockers 391 00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:49,644 were getting their cheesy videos played... 392 00:17:49,636 --> 00:17:52,866 -* Hungry eyes * 393 00:17:52,872 --> 00:17:54,872 -* Baby makes her blue jeans * 394 00:17:54,874 --> 00:17:57,244 * Yeah, she makes her blue jeans talk * 395 00:17:57,244 --> 00:18:00,614 -* Abracadabra * 396 00:18:00,613 --> 00:18:03,283 * I want to reach out and grab ya * 397 00:18:03,283 --> 00:18:06,793 ** 398 00:18:06,786 --> 00:18:10,156 -MTV was all out of love for Air Supply, 399 00:18:10,157 --> 00:18:13,487 despite the Australian duo's eight top-10 records 400 00:18:13,493 --> 00:18:15,863 in the '80s. 401 00:18:15,862 --> 00:18:18,832 -We were like the biggest band in the world at the time, 402 00:18:18,831 --> 00:18:21,271 but MTV never played any of our videos 403 00:18:21,268 --> 00:18:24,998 because I don't think they considered us hip or cool. 404 00:18:25,004 --> 00:18:27,844 -We never consciously hated soft rock. 405 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,140 Air Supply -- unfortunately, they think maybe 406 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:36,654 they were selected to be banned and never played on MTV. 407 00:18:36,649 --> 00:18:39,249 That never, ever happened like that. 408 00:18:39,252 --> 00:18:47,092 ** 409 00:18:47,093 --> 00:18:48,433 -Air Supply became 410 00:18:48,428 --> 00:18:51,198 the last major band of the soft-rock era... 411 00:18:51,198 --> 00:18:53,898 ** 412 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:56,640 ...and its greatest symbol of frustration. 413 00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:58,506 ** 414 00:18:58,505 --> 00:19:01,935 -When we became famous, people in the business said, 415 00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,341 "These guys are either one-hit wonders 416 00:19:04,344 --> 00:19:07,054 or three-hit wonders or five-hit wonders." 417 00:19:07,046 --> 00:19:12,216 To think about where we are now, it's mind-blowing. 418 00:19:12,219 --> 00:19:13,449 ** 419 00:19:13,453 --> 00:19:17,623 -I bought the master of Air Supply 420 00:19:17,624 --> 00:19:21,564 based on that first song, "Lost in Love," 421 00:19:21,561 --> 00:19:24,561 that I thought would be a hit record 422 00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:27,734 coupled with Russell's soaring voice. 423 00:19:27,734 --> 00:19:31,374 -* Lost in love, and I don't know much * 424 00:19:31,371 --> 00:19:35,741 * Was I thinking aloud and fell out of touch? * 425 00:19:35,742 --> 00:19:39,352 -Air Supply is classic soft rock. 426 00:19:39,346 --> 00:19:41,406 -* I'm all out of love * 427 00:19:41,414 --> 00:19:43,554 * What am I without you? * 428 00:19:43,550 --> 00:19:49,420 * I can't be too late to say that I was so wrong * 429 00:19:49,422 --> 00:19:51,422 ** 430 00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:53,764 -But what we hate this day 431 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,760 is that our music was described as soft rock... 432 00:19:57,764 --> 00:20:01,174 because it's not the music, it's not us, you know? 433 00:20:01,167 --> 00:20:04,597 -Anything that's soft is kind of not quite there. 434 00:20:04,604 --> 00:20:07,514 ** 435 00:20:07,507 --> 00:20:11,407 The reviews were coming in, and they would always qualify it 436 00:20:11,411 --> 00:20:14,751 by saying something a little bit negative. 437 00:20:14,747 --> 00:20:19,387 -They'd say it was "candyfloss," "insipid," 438 00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:21,446 and those kind of adjectives. 439 00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:23,094 -And they would say, 440 00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:26,789 "It's not my cup of tea, but the show was fantastic." 441 00:20:26,793 --> 00:20:31,533 [ Cheers and applause ] 442 00:20:31,531 --> 00:20:33,701 People were coming to the shows, 443 00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:35,670 and the audiences can't be wrong. 444 00:20:35,668 --> 00:20:38,238 [ Cheers and applause ] 445 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,807 -Soft rock never got any love from the critics. 446 00:20:40,807 --> 00:20:43,307 They got all the love from the audience. 447 00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:45,280 [ Cheers and applause ] 448 00:20:45,278 --> 00:20:48,578 But then a really sad thing happened. 449 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:49,851 [ Cheers and applause ] 450 00:20:49,849 --> 00:20:52,119 Soft rock really fell out of fashion, 451 00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:55,918 and the audience began ridiculing them, too. 452 00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:58,732 -Uh, Stephen Bishop. 453 00:20:58,725 --> 00:21:00,285 I have a hit song, "On and On." 454 00:21:00,293 --> 00:21:03,433 -And you saw them made fun of on "Saturday Night Live." 455 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:05,330 -* On and on * 456 00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:07,002 * On and on * 457 00:21:06,999 --> 00:21:08,399 -Did you write that song? -Yeah. 458 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:11,001 -I hate it. Now get out of here. [ Laughter ] 459 00:21:11,003 --> 00:21:12,243 -If I had a daughter, 460 00:21:12,238 --> 00:21:14,068 the number-one thing I'd teach her, 461 00:21:14,073 --> 00:21:17,313 if you're at a party and some guy starts playing 462 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:20,610 an acoustic guitar, stay away from him. 463 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:25,753 -* I gave my love a cherry * 464 00:21:25,752 --> 00:21:28,322 -John Belushi didn't like emo crooners, either. 465 00:21:28,321 --> 00:21:32,061 His treatment of Stephen Bishop in 1978's "Animal House" 466 00:21:32,058 --> 00:21:34,388 showed how, despite its massive success, 467 00:21:34,394 --> 00:21:39,104 soft rock could also be really annoying. 468 00:21:41,568 --> 00:21:43,668 -Sorry. 469 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:45,870 ** 470 00:21:45,872 --> 00:21:48,172 -From the beginning, soft rock was seen 471 00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:51,684 as a betrayal of rock's roots in the counterculture. 472 00:21:51,678 --> 00:21:53,478 ** 473 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,080 But there was so much more ridicule to come. 474 00:21:57,083 --> 00:21:59,723 -Well, it's goodbye to the elevator music. 475 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:06,557 -* Diamond girl * 476 00:22:07,293 --> 00:22:09,763 * You sure do shine * 477 00:22:09,762 --> 00:22:12,932 ** 478 00:22:12,932 --> 00:22:17,242 -From Seals and Crofts to Gino Vannelli, 479 00:22:17,236 --> 00:22:22,436 critics had always treated soft rock like a musical disease. 480 00:22:22,442 --> 00:22:26,252 -Soft rock, that lame-ass, weak, non-threatening, 481 00:22:26,245 --> 00:22:27,675 suburban-white-boy junk 482 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,680 played by bands like Men Without Testicles. 483 00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:33,623 -Why is it we live in a world where John Lennon was murdered, 484 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:36,490 yet Barry Manilow continues to put out fucking albums? 485 00:22:36,489 --> 00:22:38,219 [ Cheers and applause ] 486 00:22:38,224 --> 00:22:40,464 -The vocal is thin, but it is linear. 487 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:42,700 -That girl has really got a sound. 488 00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:45,725 -It's a sound, but it's not our sound. 489 00:22:45,732 --> 00:22:48,272 -Written by journalist Robert Lipsyte, 490 00:22:48,267 --> 00:22:50,897 1975's "That's the Way of the World" 491 00:22:50,903 --> 00:22:54,143 parodied the Carpenters and starred Harvey Keitel 492 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,840 as an unhappy record producer. 493 00:22:56,843 --> 00:22:58,143 -In the '70s, 494 00:22:58,144 --> 00:23:00,784 when I wrote "That's the Way of the World," 495 00:23:00,780 --> 00:23:05,490 to hate the Carpenters was chic, smart, 496 00:23:05,485 --> 00:23:10,355 a musical... 497 00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:12,316 In the movie, this group, 498 00:23:12,324 --> 00:23:16,164 the Pages, was everything that was wrong, 499 00:23:16,162 --> 00:23:20,132 contrived, and basically evil. 500 00:23:20,132 --> 00:23:23,002 ** 501 00:23:23,002 --> 00:23:28,112 -There's some stigma associated with being mainstream 502 00:23:28,107 --> 00:23:30,377 because you can't be cool 503 00:23:30,376 --> 00:23:31,906 and be mainstream at the same time. 504 00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:36,281 You're supposed to be underground, kind of niche, 505 00:23:36,282 --> 00:23:40,292 and when it becomes mainstream, it just isn't cool anymore. 506 00:23:40,286 --> 00:23:43,356 -Back then, there was this notion of selling out. 507 00:23:43,355 --> 00:23:45,525 If you so-called commercial, 508 00:23:45,525 --> 00:23:47,325 which meant the ability to write a hit song, 509 00:23:47,326 --> 00:23:48,896 which, frankly, is about the hardest thing 510 00:23:48,895 --> 00:23:50,495 in the world to do, 511 00:23:50,497 --> 00:23:52,297 then you were thought of as a sellout. 512 00:23:52,298 --> 00:23:56,738 So all these seminal artists were just getting trashed. 513 00:23:56,736 --> 00:23:59,366 ** 514 00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:00,941 -William, this is Ben Fong-Torres. 515 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,980 I'm the music editor at Rolling Stone magazine. 516 00:24:03,976 --> 00:24:06,846 -There was a shift in attitude around the same time 517 00:24:06,846 --> 00:24:09,846 that I joined Rolling Stone, which is the late '60s. 518 00:24:09,849 --> 00:24:13,549 I knew that Rolling Stone had a "hipper than thou" attitude 519 00:24:13,553 --> 00:24:14,923 because I had it. 520 00:24:14,921 --> 00:24:17,721 We would say, "Okay, what about John Denver?" 521 00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:19,394 Or, "What about the Carpenters?" 522 00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,291 And there would be an attitude, 523 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:22,733 "Well, do we really have to cover -- 524 00:24:22,729 --> 00:24:25,359 You know, they're so popular." 525 00:24:25,364 --> 00:24:28,404 So we did, in fact, cover Top 40, 526 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,770 usually with a sarcastic view. 527 00:24:31,771 --> 00:24:33,441 -The hipsters may have been arrogant, 528 00:24:33,439 --> 00:24:34,909 but they weren't always wrong. 529 00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:39,147 A lot of soft rock was hard to take... 530 00:24:39,145 --> 00:24:42,745 and the soft-rock-hosted variety shows of the late '70s 531 00:24:42,749 --> 00:24:46,419 didn't help the genre's image as legit rock and roll. 532 00:24:46,418 --> 00:24:50,058 -All those shows were so sugary sweet 533 00:24:50,056 --> 00:24:53,786 because they had to be popular for the entire family, 534 00:24:53,793 --> 00:24:57,063 so they would definitely look for the things that were softer, 535 00:24:57,063 --> 00:24:58,603 more palatable. 536 00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:00,768 -* You'd think that people would have had enough * 537 00:25:00,767 --> 00:25:02,997 * Of silly love songs * 538 00:25:03,002 --> 00:25:07,042 -So it was the perfect outlet for really bad songs. 539 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,909 -Donny and Marie Osmond. 540 00:25:08,908 --> 00:25:11,938 [ Applause ] -Those variety shows told you 541 00:25:11,944 --> 00:25:16,154 that Donny Osmond could be rock and roll. 542 00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:17,418 And literally... 543 00:25:17,416 --> 00:25:19,616 -* I'm a little bit country * 544 00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:22,319 -* And I'm a little bit rock and roll * 545 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:24,321 -And that was just the reality 546 00:25:24,323 --> 00:25:26,133 of what the machine was going to do. 547 00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:28,755 And there it was each week on your television set... 548 00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:30,661 -* I don't know if it's good or bad * 549 00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,933 -* But I know I love it so * 550 00:25:32,932 --> 00:25:35,972 -...the de-fanging... of rock and roll. 551 00:25:35,968 --> 00:25:40,438 -* We're a little bit rock and roll * 552 00:25:40,439 --> 00:25:41,909 [ Applause ] 553 00:25:41,908 --> 00:25:43,338 -If I walked through the living room 554 00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:45,442 and somebody was watching them, I walked out. 555 00:25:45,444 --> 00:25:48,084 I'm like, "Enjoy that, Grandma." 556 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480 ** 557 00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:53,192 -"The Captain and Tennille." 558 00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:54,645 -I loved "Captain and Tennille." 559 00:25:54,654 --> 00:25:56,324 [ Whistle blowing ] -Alright. Let's go. Come on. 560 00:25:56,322 --> 00:25:57,822 -You don't understand! 561 00:25:57,824 --> 00:26:00,094 -Don't worry. I'm the captain. I'll bail her out. 562 00:26:00,092 --> 00:26:01,532 [ Laughter ] 563 00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:04,497 -But those shows -- they always soften the punch. 564 00:26:04,496 --> 00:26:06,566 They always soften the damn blow, man. 565 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,835 -* Hand me down my walkin' cane * 566 00:26:08,835 --> 00:26:11,265 * Hand me down my hat * 567 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:12,840 It was hokey. 568 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,839 And they always wanted to include Daryl, the captain, 569 00:26:15,842 --> 00:26:17,512 even though there was 570 00:26:17,509 --> 00:26:22,479 really nothing for him to do in that song, "Rubberband Man." 571 00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:24,381 So somebody said, "I know. 572 00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:26,853 He could pretend to play rubber bands or something." 573 00:26:26,853 --> 00:26:31,763 * Hey, y'all, prepare yourself for the rubberband man * 574 00:26:31,758 --> 00:26:33,888 I wish he didn't do it. 575 00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:36,163 * Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo * 576 00:26:36,162 --> 00:26:37,432 * Doo-doo! * 577 00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:39,369 [ Cheers and applause ] 578 00:26:39,365 --> 00:26:42,325 -Here is one of the truly great stars of rock music, 579 00:26:42,334 --> 00:26:47,344 the delightful Mr. Leo Sayer, who makes us feel like dancing. 580 00:26:47,339 --> 00:26:50,609 -* You've got a cute way of talkin' * 581 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:52,609 -Truly great rock artist? 582 00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:55,381 -* You make me feel like dancin' * 583 00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,021 -Alright. It was a kids' show, 584 00:26:57,016 --> 00:27:00,916 But moves like this turned soft rock into laughing stock. 585 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,160 -* I wanna dance my life away * -* I feel! * 586 00:27:03,155 --> 00:27:04,885 [ Cheers and applause ] 587 00:27:04,891 --> 00:27:07,561 -Then there was this. 588 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,529 -* Feelings * 589 00:27:11,530 --> 00:27:14,630 * Nothing more than feelings * 590 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:17,773 -* I've been to paradise * 591 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:20,570 * But I've never been to me * 592 00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:24,082 -* I'm in you * 593 00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:25,746 -I was a big fan of Peter Frampton... 594 00:27:25,745 --> 00:27:28,005 -* You're in me * 595 00:27:28,014 --> 00:27:30,654 ...but then he came out with "I'm in You"... 596 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:33,089 -* I'm in you * 597 00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:35,915 -...and that album cover of him looking all -- all -- 598 00:27:35,922 --> 00:27:38,292 you know, with the shirt unbuttoned. 599 00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:39,790 Oh, my God. 600 00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:42,392 Pop goes the bubble. 601 00:27:42,394 --> 00:27:44,434 Goodbye, Peter. 602 00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:45,660 ** 603 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:52,174 -* You light up my life * 604 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:54,941 -I don't really care for "You Light Up My Life." 605 00:27:54,941 --> 00:27:59,611 It's a little schmaltzy and syrupy and saccharine. 606 00:27:59,611 --> 00:28:02,611 -* Carry on * 607 00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:04,954 -"You Light Up My Life" was number one 608 00:28:04,951 --> 00:28:06,951 for 10 weeks in 1977. 609 00:28:06,953 --> 00:28:11,463 It was at that time the biggest- selling single of all time. 610 00:28:11,457 --> 00:28:12,927 -You just got to get over it. 611 00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:14,385 That song found its way 612 00:28:14,393 --> 00:28:17,303 to millions of people who appreciate it. 613 00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:18,826 [ Cheers and applause ] 614 00:28:18,831 --> 00:28:20,301 Give them a break. 615 00:28:20,299 --> 00:28:22,799 Soft rock is entertainment. 616 00:28:22,802 --> 00:28:24,872 [ Cheers and applause ] 617 00:28:24,871 --> 00:28:27,171 Except for "Sometimes When We Touch." 618 00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:30,483 -* Who am I to judge you * 619 00:28:30,476 --> 00:28:33,646 * On what you say or do? * 620 00:28:33,645 --> 00:28:35,845 -The displays of naked male emotion 621 00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:37,448 that made soft rock so popular 622 00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:41,449 were also what made it so easy to ridicule. 623 00:28:41,453 --> 00:28:45,163 -"Sometimes When We Touch," the melody's okay... 624 00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,987 -* And sometimes when we touch * 625 00:28:47,994 --> 00:28:49,464 -...but the lyrics... 626 00:28:49,461 --> 00:28:51,831 -* The honesty's too much * 627 00:28:51,831 --> 00:28:55,301 -...are so painfully vulnerable and sincere... 628 00:28:55,301 --> 00:28:58,671 -* I want you to hold you 'til I die * 629 00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:00,310 -...that the only reaction 630 00:29:00,306 --> 00:29:03,176 anyone who is sane can have to that song 631 00:29:03,175 --> 00:29:05,435 is to want to slap the guy who's singing it. 632 00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:07,214 -Wow. 633 00:29:07,213 --> 00:29:11,923 * And I have to close my eyes and hide * 634 00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:13,148 I can't control what I write. 635 00:29:13,152 --> 00:29:15,022 The words kind of fly out of my mouth. 636 00:29:15,021 --> 00:29:17,861 * I want to hold you 'til I die * 637 00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,457 -It's a little heavy-handed there, dude. 638 00:29:20,459 --> 00:29:23,699 Like, you got to be okay on your own first 639 00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:25,795 before you put that much pressure on me. 640 00:29:25,798 --> 00:29:28,498 -* 'Til the fear in me subsides * 641 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,840 -I really sympathize with some of these great writers 642 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,439 who achieved the pinnacle of their careers 643 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,140 just to be ridiculed by some of these folks in the press. 644 00:29:37,143 --> 00:29:38,183 It sucks. 645 00:29:38,177 --> 00:29:39,607 -* I want to hold you... * 646 00:29:39,611 --> 00:29:41,111 My mom used to say, 647 00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:43,183 "Danny, you just have to cry all the way to the bank," 648 00:29:43,182 --> 00:29:45,182 because the more they smashed me, 649 00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:48,624 the more backlash into people buying my records. 650 00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:53,560 * 'Til the fear in me subsides * 651 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:56,359 -I don't like that song at all. 652 00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:58,232 ** 653 00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:01,370 -Even proven hitmakers were seen as uncool 654 00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:04,367 by the record companies who made millions off them. 655 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:06,870 -The winner is Captain and Tennille. 656 00:30:06,873 --> 00:30:08,513 [ Cheers and applause ] 657 00:30:08,507 --> 00:30:10,907 -The Grammys, 1976. 658 00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:14,110 It was exciting. It was my first Grammy. 659 00:30:14,113 --> 00:30:18,383 And I want to thank A&M Records for giving us a creative place 660 00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:20,724 to do our thing, and we appreciate it. 661 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,789 [ Applause ] 662 00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:25,318 So after the show was over, this young man 663 00:30:25,324 --> 00:30:27,964 that I didn't know came running up to me and said, 664 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,600 "Oh, oh, Miss Tennille, we're having an A&M after party. 665 00:30:32,598 --> 00:30:34,968 We want you to come." 666 00:30:34,967 --> 00:30:37,437 And I went, "Really? 667 00:30:37,436 --> 00:30:42,406 And you didn't invite us until we won Record of the Year." 668 00:30:42,408 --> 00:30:44,978 I understood the record companies, 669 00:30:44,977 --> 00:30:49,577 including A&M, were trying to keep their hip edge, 670 00:30:49,581 --> 00:30:51,781 so we didn't go to the party. 671 00:30:51,783 --> 00:30:56,323 You know, I didn't want to go and be fakey, you know? 672 00:30:56,322 --> 00:30:58,322 "Oh, thank you so much." 673 00:30:58,324 --> 00:31:00,564 [ Laughs ] 674 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:01,959 ** 675 00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:04,101 -Other soft rockers with serious credentials 676 00:31:04,096 --> 00:31:07,126 were dismissed as dorks and lightweights, 677 00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:12,473 especially when they wrote songs that burrowed into your brain. 678 00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:15,141 ** 679 00:31:15,141 --> 00:31:17,811 -"If You Like Piña Coladas" by Rupert Holmes, 680 00:31:17,809 --> 00:31:19,709 which is really called "Escape." 681 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:22,921 -I try to "escape" the song as often as possible. 682 00:31:22,915 --> 00:31:25,015 -What's the line? Who's got it? 683 00:31:25,017 --> 00:31:27,117 -* I wasn't happy with my lady * 684 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:28,819 -Well, that's not right. 685 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:31,660 -* I was tired of my lady * 686 00:31:31,657 --> 00:31:34,187 * We'd been together too long * 687 00:31:34,193 --> 00:31:38,433 -The use of the word "lady" is a defining aspect of soft rock 688 00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:40,630 and also something that makes you cringe a bit. 689 00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:42,132 -* Same old dull routine * 690 00:31:42,134 --> 00:31:44,504 -* If you like piña coladas * 691 00:31:44,503 --> 00:31:45,803 Yeah. 692 00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:47,914 I hate myself just now for singing it. 693 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:49,106 [ Laughs ] 694 00:31:49,108 --> 00:31:51,638 -* And the feel of the ocean * 695 00:31:51,643 --> 00:31:55,483 -The kind of tropical fantasy that it puts forward 696 00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:59,851 is just too hokey, is too tiki room at Disneyland. 697 00:31:59,851 --> 00:32:01,691 -* Write to me * 698 00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:03,187 * And escape * 699 00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:06,159 -[ Laughs ] What I think of that song -- 700 00:32:06,158 --> 00:32:09,858 I think of sunburnt Boomer bellies, Hawaiian shirts, 701 00:32:09,861 --> 00:32:11,701 old ass and titties hanging out. 702 00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:13,067 -You can say, "I hate it. 703 00:32:13,065 --> 00:32:14,565 That's a piece of crap. 704 00:32:14,566 --> 00:32:16,336 I hate that bubblegum music," but guess what? 705 00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:18,265 You sang it in the car by yourself. 706 00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:19,870 ** 707 00:32:19,871 --> 00:32:21,841 You're lying if you say you didn't. 708 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,240 There are songs like that. 709 00:32:23,242 --> 00:32:25,342 "Piña Colada"'s one of those songs. 710 00:32:25,344 --> 00:32:29,024 -* If you like piña coladas * -You've got to get into it. 711 00:32:29,015 --> 00:32:30,375 -"And getting caught in the rain." 712 00:32:30,382 --> 00:32:32,322 Like, "Oh, that's so romantic and sweet." 713 00:32:32,318 --> 00:32:35,888 -It was just a fun song, and it told a story. 714 00:32:35,887 --> 00:32:37,257 -* I am into champagne * 715 00:32:37,256 --> 00:32:38,856 -Tried to cheat on my wife. 716 00:32:38,857 --> 00:32:40,857 She was trying to cheat on me! 717 00:32:40,859 --> 00:32:42,059 -Oh! -Oh! 718 00:32:42,061 --> 00:32:43,701 -* And she walked in the place * 719 00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:47,695 -He put an ad in the paper looking for somebody else, 720 00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:51,769 but the person he meets who has connected with him is his wife. 721 00:32:51,770 --> 00:32:53,240 -* It was my own lovely lady * 722 00:32:53,239 --> 00:32:55,069 -And she's like, "Oh, it's you." 723 00:32:55,074 --> 00:32:56,744 -* And she says, "Oh, it's you" * 724 00:32:56,742 --> 00:33:00,512 -And it's like, "We're stuck together in hell. 725 00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:02,152 Aah!" 726 00:33:02,148 --> 00:33:05,078 -* Come with me and escape * 727 00:33:05,084 --> 00:33:07,354 Believe it or not, 728 00:33:07,353 --> 00:33:09,393 I had never had a piña colada in my life. 729 00:33:09,388 --> 00:33:11,258 I had no idea what was in it, how you made it, 730 00:33:11,257 --> 00:33:13,857 but it sounded right. 731 00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,759 ** 732 00:33:16,762 --> 00:33:18,462 It's happy hour, guys. 733 00:33:18,464 --> 00:33:21,534 Can I get you something to drink? 734 00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:23,803 Beer, piña colada? Yes. 735 00:33:23,802 --> 00:33:26,572 When I wrote the song, I wrote, 736 00:33:26,572 --> 00:33:30,912 "If you like Humphrey Bogart and getting caught in the rain." 737 00:33:30,909 --> 00:33:32,439 I looked at the lyric, and I thought, 738 00:33:32,444 --> 00:33:34,584 "I don't know about Humphrey Bogart." 739 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:35,810 -Waiting for a lady. 740 00:33:35,814 --> 00:33:37,454 -And so I decided 741 00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:39,749 10 seconds before I sang it for the first time 742 00:33:39,751 --> 00:33:43,561 to say "piña colada" instead of "Humphrey Bogart." 743 00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:45,785 It changed the course of my life. 744 00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:50,431 -By the time he released soft rock's national anthem -- 745 00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:53,429 and its most inescapable mega-hit -- 746 00:33:53,432 --> 00:33:58,272 Rupert Holmes had been a music- industry sensation for years. 747 00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:01,470 Trouble was, no one knew it. 748 00:34:01,473 --> 00:34:06,013 Holmes' early-'70s success ranged from rock and bubblegum 749 00:34:06,011 --> 00:34:08,981 to movie soundtracks and TV. 750 00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:12,250 -* Echo Valley 2-6809 * 751 00:34:12,251 --> 00:34:15,491 -I kept thinking, "That's Shirley Jones, 752 00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:18,787 and she's lip-syncing to words that I wrote." 753 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:21,230 ** 754 00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:24,427 -* Don't you know, don't you know? * 755 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:27,700 -The Jets would make one of his songs a top-five hit. 756 00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,999 "You Got It All" was later covered by Britney Spears. 757 00:34:31,002 --> 00:34:33,842 -* Honey, it's true * 758 00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:36,579 * There's just you * 759 00:34:36,575 --> 00:34:39,175 -Holmes' debut album, "Widescreen," 760 00:34:39,178 --> 00:34:42,178 was filled with stories of colorful characters. 761 00:34:42,181 --> 00:34:44,551 The critics took notice. 762 00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:45,850 ** 763 00:34:45,851 --> 00:34:48,821 -But the label only printed 10,000 copies. 764 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,820 You can't even have a bomb with that few copies. 765 00:34:51,823 --> 00:34:57,663 But one copy found its way into the hands of Barbra Streisand. 766 00:34:57,663 --> 00:34:59,673 -An impressed Streisand tapped Holmes 767 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:03,835 to write songs for her new film, "A Star Is Born." 768 00:35:03,835 --> 00:35:06,665 -My work was getting out to a larger audience, 769 00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:09,842 and so out of that came an awful lot of cover versions 770 00:35:09,841 --> 00:35:11,741 of my songs by Barry Manilow, 771 00:35:11,743 --> 00:35:16,953 Dolly Parton, Dionne Warwick, Mac Davis. 772 00:35:16,948 --> 00:35:18,678 -After four solo albums, 773 00:35:18,684 --> 00:35:21,324 Holmes released "Partners in Crime." 774 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,750 Its signature song 775 00:35:22,754 --> 00:35:26,564 became the last number-one single of the 1970s 776 00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:28,988 and the first number-one record of the '80s. 777 00:35:28,994 --> 00:35:32,704 -It was a song in the right place at the right time. 778 00:35:32,698 --> 00:35:35,268 ** 779 00:35:35,267 --> 00:35:39,037 -Or maybe the right song at the wrong time. 780 00:35:39,037 --> 00:35:43,537 When "Escape" was released, soft rock was at its peak, 781 00:35:43,542 --> 00:35:47,882 but so was public fatigue with sensitive guys and beards. 782 00:35:47,879 --> 00:35:51,019 -One of the things I learned in doing music research 783 00:35:51,016 --> 00:35:52,676 is you can't predict hits, 784 00:35:52,684 --> 00:35:56,094 but you can determine when a song's been played too much. 785 00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,257 "Piña Colada" might have had six weeks 786 00:35:58,257 --> 00:35:59,757 when people were just burned out, 787 00:35:59,758 --> 00:36:02,558 maybe the novelty factor didn't have the repeatability, 788 00:36:02,561 --> 00:36:05,631 maybe, and they just got kind of tired of it. 789 00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:07,631 ** 790 00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:10,103 [ Doorbell ringing to the tune of "Escape (The Piña Colada Song)" ] 791 00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:11,941 -"Escape" eventually became the emblem 792 00:36:11,937 --> 00:36:13,137 of everything audiences love... 793 00:36:13,138 --> 00:36:14,468 -Campy. 794 00:36:14,473 --> 00:36:17,013 -[ Humming "Escape (The Piña Colada Song)" ] 795 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:19,778 -...and love to hate about soft rock. 796 00:36:19,778 --> 00:36:21,408 -Don't. I just got it out of my head. 797 00:36:21,413 --> 00:36:25,183 -* If you like piña coladas * 798 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:27,253 -* And getting caught in the rain * 799 00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:29,493 -* If you're not into yoga * 800 00:36:29,488 --> 00:36:31,158 -* And you got half a brain * 801 00:36:31,156 --> 00:36:33,226 -* If you like makin' love at midnight * 802 00:36:33,225 --> 00:36:34,655 -* In the dunes of the cape * 803 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:36,900 -Wouldn't you get sand in your butt? 804 00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,825 -* Write to me and escape * 805 00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:41,900 -I hate that we all know the words to this song. 806 00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:43,470 ** 807 00:36:43,469 --> 00:36:45,439 -Holmes left pop music behind 808 00:36:45,437 --> 00:36:47,937 to write mystery novels and stage plays. 809 00:36:47,939 --> 00:36:50,579 -And the winner is... "The Mystery of Edwin Drood," 810 00:36:50,576 --> 00:36:53,136 music and lyrics by Rupert Holmes. 811 00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:54,854 [ Cheers and applause ] 812 00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:59,246 -1986 was supposed to be the best year for my family's life. 813 00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:00,551 [ Cheers and applause continue ] 814 00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:02,992 I felt pretty much on top of the world. 815 00:37:02,988 --> 00:37:06,258 [ Cheers and applause continue ] 816 00:37:06,258 --> 00:37:08,788 ** 817 00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:14,634 And a few months after that, with no warning, no diagnosis, 818 00:37:14,633 --> 00:37:18,503 my beautiful 10-year-old daughter, 819 00:37:18,504 --> 00:37:22,174 Wendy Isobel Holmes, died... 820 00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:24,813 ** 821 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:28,710 ...from an undiagnosed brain tumor. 822 00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:31,024 And she was gone. 823 00:37:31,016 --> 00:37:32,846 ** 824 00:37:32,851 --> 00:37:35,191 All the grief and... 825 00:37:35,186 --> 00:37:37,856 ** 826 00:37:37,856 --> 00:37:43,526 ...sadness of that time, it was just too much to bear. 827 00:37:43,529 --> 00:37:46,669 And so I had to stop writing music. 828 00:37:46,665 --> 00:37:51,195 -It took a decade before he could return to music. 829 00:37:51,202 --> 00:37:53,372 -I finally started writing the TV series 830 00:37:53,372 --> 00:37:55,942 "Remember WENN" for AMC. 831 00:37:55,941 --> 00:37:58,211 -It's no coincidence that the series is called 832 00:37:58,209 --> 00:38:01,549 "Remember WENN," W-E-N-N. 833 00:38:01,547 --> 00:38:04,577 That's what I called my daughter, Wendy. 834 00:38:04,583 --> 00:38:08,393 ** 835 00:38:08,387 --> 00:38:10,857 -In 1997, the Los Angeles Times 836 00:38:10,856 --> 00:38:13,686 dubbed Rupert Holmes an American treasure. 837 00:38:13,692 --> 00:38:17,402 The Washington Post called him a Renaissance man, 838 00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:20,066 but he's still known for pineapple drinks 839 00:38:20,065 --> 00:38:21,865 and cheating on your lady. 840 00:38:21,867 --> 00:38:25,897 -Is that the song I always wanted to be remembered for? 841 00:38:25,904 --> 00:38:28,214 No. No, not at all. 842 00:38:28,206 --> 00:38:30,876 But is it nice to have a song that everybody knows. 843 00:38:30,876 --> 00:38:36,206 It's only what, as a songwriter, you dream of all your life. 844 00:38:36,214 --> 00:38:40,254 When my daughter died, basically, from that point on, 845 00:38:40,251 --> 00:38:42,121 my goal in life was to make people laugh 846 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,590 if I possibly could. 847 00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:45,759 My record label said, "Can we just call it 848 00:38:45,757 --> 00:38:47,727 'Escape (The Piña Colada Song)'?" 849 00:38:47,726 --> 00:38:50,796 I said, "Compromise my artistic integrity?" 850 00:38:50,796 --> 00:38:52,426 [ Laughter ] 851 00:38:52,431 --> 00:38:54,931 So here's "The Piña Colada Song" for you. 852 00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:56,743 [ Cheers and applause ] 853 00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,735 Because everyone who's coming to the theater 854 00:38:58,737 --> 00:39:01,907 or seeing the TV show or reading my novel 855 00:39:01,907 --> 00:39:05,737 or listening to a soft-rock record... 856 00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:07,914 they've all got something that they're dealing with. 857 00:39:07,913 --> 00:39:10,283 It was my own lovely lady. 858 00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:12,751 She said, "Oh, it's you." 859 00:39:12,751 --> 00:39:14,221 [ Laughter ] 860 00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:16,759 And if I can take them out of that for five minutes, 861 00:39:16,755 --> 00:39:18,455 that's a lot to do with one's life, 862 00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:20,027 It really is. 863 00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:24,125 * Write to me and escape * 864 00:39:24,129 --> 00:39:27,629 [ Cheers and applause ] 865 00:39:38,644 --> 00:39:43,654 -In 1980, America was burned out on weakness abroad 866 00:39:43,649 --> 00:39:46,689 and recession at home. 867 00:39:46,685 --> 00:39:47,945 The country broke up 868 00:39:47,953 --> 00:39:49,623 with soft-rock President Jimmy Carter... 869 00:39:49,621 --> 00:39:52,491 -Right on, man. That's great. That's great. 870 00:39:52,491 --> 00:39:54,831 -...and put some Hollywood swagger in the White House. 871 00:39:54,826 --> 00:39:56,556 -You wanted law and order in this town. 872 00:39:56,562 --> 00:39:58,402 You've got it. 873 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:02,866 I, Ronald Reagan, will preserve, protect, and defend... 874 00:40:02,868 --> 00:40:05,098 ** 875 00:40:05,103 --> 00:40:08,173 -The culture had moved on from guys 876 00:40:08,173 --> 00:40:12,513 who wanted to sit around doting on the woman they love. 877 00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:15,181 -I don't understand the thinking that feels that women are 878 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,980 so inferior that they can't be included. 879 00:40:18,984 --> 00:40:20,424 ** 880 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:23,048 -I'll be back. 881 00:40:23,054 --> 00:40:27,534 -And in the '80s, we were looking for new male archetypes. 882 00:40:27,526 --> 00:40:31,126 ** 883 00:40:31,129 --> 00:40:32,859 -We're not gonna be that sensitive stuff. 884 00:40:32,864 --> 00:40:34,804 -You're a bitch. -Wormy little shit. 885 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,070 -I'm new here. 886 00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:38,097 -Just what we need -- another pussy. 887 00:40:38,103 --> 00:40:40,243 -We're gonna be the guy that jumps out of the car 888 00:40:40,238 --> 00:40:43,438 with the t-shirt and the suit, like "Miami Vice." 889 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:45,341 -Freeze! Miami Vice! 890 00:40:45,343 --> 00:40:47,183 -And there's always a great insurgence 891 00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:49,308 of a new musical style 892 00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:52,384 that replicates the mood of the times. 893 00:40:52,383 --> 00:40:54,053 -* We're not gonna take it * 894 00:40:54,052 --> 00:40:57,392 -What do you want to do with your life?! 895 00:40:57,388 --> 00:40:58,818 -I want to rock. 896 00:40:58,824 --> 00:41:01,394 -Oh! 897 00:41:01,392 --> 00:41:05,302 -Back in the '70s and early '80s, 898 00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:07,326 soft-rock radio programmers 899 00:41:07,332 --> 00:41:10,842 were concerned about hurting women's ears. 900 00:41:10,836 --> 00:41:13,466 -I was at KOST 103 in Los Angeles. 901 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:17,411 Hello, and welcome to KOST 103, the inside story. 902 00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:21,308 -And I understood what soft rock was all about for a lady, 903 00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:24,222 and I think females are more sensitive 904 00:41:24,215 --> 00:41:26,945 to that hard-rock sound, that edge. 905 00:41:26,952 --> 00:41:29,092 I think they don't mind guitars 906 00:41:29,087 --> 00:41:32,317 as long as they're not raucous and edgy. 907 00:41:32,323 --> 00:41:33,993 ** 908 00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:37,262 -But a new wave of women rockers showed... 909 00:41:37,262 --> 00:41:39,972 they could handle the hard stuff. 910 00:41:39,965 --> 00:41:42,395 So like their delicate dude counterparts, 911 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440 the vulnerable women of soft rock 912 00:41:44,435 --> 00:41:47,605 had to make room for the new musical order. 913 00:41:47,606 --> 00:41:50,306 -In the '80s, there was a shift away 914 00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:52,438 from that sensitive singer-songwriter 915 00:41:52,443 --> 00:41:56,453 or cabaret-singer type toward a more rebellious, 916 00:41:56,447 --> 00:42:00,117 differently self-actualized woman rock star. 917 00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:01,948 -* I love rock 'n' roll * 918 00:42:01,953 --> 00:42:04,963 * So come and take your time and dance with me * 919 00:42:04,956 --> 00:42:06,556 * Ow! * 920 00:42:06,558 --> 00:42:07,758 -* Heartbreaker * 921 00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:09,599 * Dream maker * 922 00:42:09,595 --> 00:42:12,625 * Love taker, don't you mess around, no, no, no * 923 00:42:12,631 --> 00:42:15,471 -* Trapped in a world that they never made * 924 00:42:15,466 --> 00:42:17,366 * But not me, baby, I'm too precious * 925 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:19,338 Fuck off! 926 00:42:19,337 --> 00:42:24,137 -The Bangles were certainly part of this wave 927 00:42:24,142 --> 00:42:25,812 that was crashing in 928 00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:30,651 and sort of decimating the soft, gentle sounds of soft rock. 929 00:42:30,649 --> 00:42:34,519 There's this, like, complete revolution in music. 930 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,389 -* The hero takes a fall * 931 00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:38,887 -* Hero takes a fall * 932 00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:43,630 ** 933 00:42:43,629 --> 00:42:47,369 -The revolution included new technologies 934 00:42:47,365 --> 00:42:51,365 that made soft rockers seem even more out of touch. 935 00:42:51,369 --> 00:42:55,509 -The change was the drum machine. 936 00:42:55,506 --> 00:42:58,206 There were three different little boxes. 937 00:42:58,209 --> 00:43:00,009 One of them was called a DMX. 938 00:43:00,011 --> 00:43:02,711 One was Roger Linn, LinnDrum. 939 00:43:02,714 --> 00:43:05,624 And one was the Roland 808. 940 00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:09,317 Those boxes changed the game because all of a sudden, 941 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,920 you put the drum track down first, 942 00:43:11,923 --> 00:43:13,223 and that drum track 943 00:43:13,224 --> 00:43:15,864 sort of dictated what everyone played. 944 00:43:15,861 --> 00:43:18,531 [ Drums playing ] 945 00:43:18,529 --> 00:43:20,469 -That's when it just changed. 946 00:43:20,465 --> 00:43:22,525 And so what you're listening to, you saying, 947 00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:24,903 "Well, I sort of like this song, but how come I don't remember? 948 00:43:24,903 --> 00:43:26,103 What's wrong with it?" 949 00:43:26,104 --> 00:43:29,374 Because nothing got in your soul. 950 00:43:29,374 --> 00:43:31,944 -One of the biggest things about soft rock was heart. 951 00:43:31,943 --> 00:43:33,383 A lot of heart in those records. 952 00:43:33,378 --> 00:43:36,208 Also a lot of heart in how they were recorded. 953 00:43:36,214 --> 00:43:37,754 -And now the way we recorded, 954 00:43:37,749 --> 00:43:40,249 the process was completely different, 955 00:43:40,251 --> 00:43:43,551 and that changed how soft rock sounded. 956 00:43:43,554 --> 00:43:46,764 -It sounded like an elephant was playing. 957 00:43:46,758 --> 00:43:51,928 -The snare was like chh, and I just hated it. 958 00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:53,900 -Along with the new technology, 959 00:43:53,899 --> 00:43:57,269 a new wave of producers employed digital toys 960 00:43:57,268 --> 00:44:00,108 and a bravado that matched the decade. 961 00:44:00,105 --> 00:44:03,465 It rendered soft rock unrecognizable. 962 00:44:03,474 --> 00:44:05,744 -I met David Foster when I was 19. 963 00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:08,454 This is right as he's about to produce Chicago, 964 00:44:08,446 --> 00:44:11,716 and that really took him into a whole new level as a producer. 965 00:44:11,717 --> 00:44:14,447 -* Hold me now * 966 00:44:14,452 --> 00:44:17,322 * It's hard for me to say I'm sorry * 967 00:44:17,322 --> 00:44:19,462 -I do enjoy working with established artists. 968 00:44:19,457 --> 00:44:20,957 You know that you're gonna get the shot. 969 00:44:20,959 --> 00:44:22,289 You know you're gonna get the shot 970 00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:23,903 at having that record heard. 971 00:44:23,895 --> 00:44:26,395 -When David Foster starts working with Chicago, 972 00:44:26,397 --> 00:44:29,937 you can start hearing the jazz and R&B influences 973 00:44:29,935 --> 00:44:33,165 that are present in soft rock start to slip out. 974 00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:37,341 -* I wanna have you hear me sayin' * 975 00:44:37,342 --> 00:44:40,912 * No one needs you more than I -- * 976 00:44:40,912 --> 00:44:42,652 ** 977 00:44:42,647 --> 00:44:46,477 -David Foster came in, and we had a verbal fight. 978 00:44:46,484 --> 00:44:48,224 And he said, "I'm the producer. 979 00:44:48,219 --> 00:44:49,859 I'm gonna produce the record." 980 00:44:49,855 --> 00:44:54,685 But now I think he admits that he probably overproduced it. 981 00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:56,532 **s 982 00:44:56,527 --> 00:44:59,767 -In 1980s, soft rock was transitioning 983 00:44:59,765 --> 00:45:03,495 into what would be termed adult contemporary. 984 00:45:03,501 --> 00:45:06,401 -That transition brought a new style of love song 985 00:45:06,404 --> 00:45:11,244 that wasn't exactly soft but wasn't rock, either. 986 00:45:11,242 --> 00:45:14,112 -Once we get to the late 80s, early '90s, 987 00:45:14,112 --> 00:45:17,382 there's this glut of power ballads... 988 00:45:17,382 --> 00:45:22,152 -* When a man loves a woman * 989 00:45:22,153 --> 00:45:27,663 -...and that slowly brought other artists into the pool. 990 00:45:27,658 --> 00:45:30,428 So somebody pissed in the pool, and it got polluted. 991 00:45:30,428 --> 00:45:31,998 -[ Vocalizing ] 992 00:45:31,997 --> 00:45:34,397 -At least your name isn't Michael Bolton. 993 00:45:34,399 --> 00:45:36,199 -You know, there's nothing wrong with that name. 994 00:45:36,201 --> 00:45:39,841 -There was nothing wrong with it until I was about 12 years old 995 00:45:39,838 --> 00:45:42,208 and that no-talent ass clown became famous 996 00:45:42,207 --> 00:45:44,907 and started winning Grammys. 997 00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:47,480 -Punk rockers coming of age, 998 00:45:47,478 --> 00:45:51,978 macho culture, tougher women, MTV, 999 00:45:51,983 --> 00:45:56,223 too much cheese, drum machines, overproduction, 1000 00:45:56,221 --> 00:45:59,391 and the triumph of adult contemporary 1001 00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:02,330 each chipped away at soft rock. 1002 00:46:02,327 --> 00:46:04,397 With Chicago and other bands losing control 1003 00:46:04,395 --> 00:46:06,825 of their own direction, 1004 00:46:06,832 --> 00:46:10,342 the golden age of soft rock came to a crashing end. 1005 00:46:10,335 --> 00:46:18,575 ** 1006 00:46:18,576 --> 00:46:21,876 -When you ask what happened to Pablo Cruise, 1007 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,480 it was just kind of like, 1008 00:46:23,481 --> 00:46:25,221 this isn't happening for us anymore. 1009 00:46:25,216 --> 00:46:27,786 Dave and I couldn't write anymore. 1010 00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:28,915 ** 1011 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,590 -It became the different kind of writing, 1012 00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:34,559 everything being heavy synthesizers, 1013 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,399 Pro Tools, everything being sequenced. 1014 00:46:37,395 --> 00:46:40,325 And I just didn't want to do it anymore. 1015 00:46:40,331 --> 00:46:42,271 ** 1016 00:46:42,267 --> 00:46:46,867 -In Chicago, Danny was always a fluid player, 1017 00:46:46,872 --> 00:46:51,112 but after a while, it stopped working with Danny 1018 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:57,079 because music had moved on and Danny didn't move with it. 1019 00:46:57,082 --> 00:46:59,622 If he had played along with those drum machines, 1020 00:46:59,617 --> 00:47:02,747 We'd probably still be together. 1021 00:47:02,753 --> 00:47:05,763 -A&M had decided that we weren't gonna have anymore hits, 1022 00:47:05,756 --> 00:47:08,656 and so we went on to Casablanca Records. 1023 00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:11,629 And then Casablanca fell apart, was bought 1024 00:47:11,629 --> 00:47:15,299 by some other record company that didn't care about us, 1025 00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:19,470 and we couldn't get any traction after that. 1026 00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:22,670 -Ambrosia went on hiatus in 1983, 1027 00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:28,313 and for about five, six years, we were no longer in existence. 1028 00:47:28,313 --> 00:47:29,923 -For soft rockers, 1029 00:47:29,915 --> 00:47:33,645 the new decade was a desolate wilderness. 1030 00:47:33,651 --> 00:47:37,761 As Orleans bassist Lance Hoppen told journalist Greg Prato, 1031 00:47:37,755 --> 00:47:40,985 "The '80s were very unkind to us. 1032 00:47:40,992 --> 00:47:42,992 Depressingly so." 1033 00:47:42,994 --> 00:47:44,634 ** 1034 00:47:44,629 --> 00:47:47,299 -England Dan and John Ford Coley. 1035 00:47:47,298 --> 00:47:49,798 You know, we were on A&M, but man, 1036 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,670 in the '80s, we were suffering. 1037 00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:55,010 We couldn't get anything going for love, money, 1038 00:47:55,006 --> 00:47:56,366 chocolate, or marbles. 1039 00:47:56,374 --> 00:47:59,014 There was just nobody that was gonna touch me. 1040 00:47:59,010 --> 00:48:00,980 ** 1041 00:48:00,979 --> 00:48:04,679 -Others couldn't even find an audience for nostalgia. 1042 00:48:04,682 --> 00:48:07,822 Michael McDonald said people thought listening to his music 1043 00:48:07,818 --> 00:48:10,718 became like eating dish detergent. 1044 00:48:10,721 --> 00:48:12,691 ** 1045 00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:15,530 Personal issues interrupted other careers. 1046 00:48:15,526 --> 00:48:17,696 After reaching his professional pinnacle 1047 00:48:17,695 --> 00:48:19,695 with the "Ghostbusters" theme, 1048 00:48:19,697 --> 00:48:24,397 Ray Parker Jr. faded from the charts. 1049 00:48:24,402 --> 00:48:26,702 -My parents got sick. 1050 00:48:26,704 --> 00:48:28,744 So I was going through some real-world problems, 1051 00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:30,379 like I'm getting ready to lose my mother. 1052 00:48:30,375 --> 00:48:33,835 I'm getting ready to lose my father. 1053 00:48:33,844 --> 00:48:38,384 And so that later '80s through the mid-'90s, 1054 00:48:38,383 --> 00:48:40,923 I couldn't write a song to save my life. 1055 00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:42,648 ** 1056 00:48:42,653 --> 00:48:45,193 -Soft rockers finally had to face it -- 1057 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:50,200 if they ever had been, they just weren't cool anymore. 1058 00:48:50,195 --> 00:48:54,195 Between 1990 and 2003, Hall and Oates released 1059 00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:56,229 just one album together. 1060 00:48:56,234 --> 00:48:59,044 It peaked at number 95. 1061 00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:01,707 The cover depicted the one-time hit kings 1062 00:49:01,706 --> 00:49:04,406 walking into a bright, existential light, 1063 00:49:04,409 --> 00:49:07,449 meekly accepting the inevitable. 1064 00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:11,015 The void before soft rockers appeared vast. 1065 00:49:11,016 --> 00:49:14,346 What neither they nor anyone else could predict 1066 00:49:14,352 --> 00:49:16,952 was that on the other side of that abyss 1067 00:49:16,954 --> 00:49:22,794 awaited the most fantastic reincarnation in music history. 1068 00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:25,903 -* Gonna find my baby, gonna hold her tight * 1069 00:49:25,896 --> 00:49:29,066 -As Ron Burgundy discovered in "Anchorman," 1070 00:49:29,067 --> 00:49:34,237 no matter how hard we tried, we just couldn't quit soft rock. 1071 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,939 -* Afternoon delight * 75776

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