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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,240 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,840 It's in any town, any street, any normal-looking house, 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,720 right under your nose and most people are probably not aware. 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,280 Police! Police! 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,000 And then you'd go in and then it's not normal at all. 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,320 Just a bed, semi-naked woman in there. 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Have you got clothes? Yeah. Where are they? 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Boxes of condoms and some sex toys, 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,720 and that's all that's there. 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,800 In every corner of the country, 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,960 women and girls are being kept as slaves and sold for sex. 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,640 And Romanian girls are now big business. 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,400 They are brainwashed. They are programmed. 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,400 I have a 13-year-old girl right here, 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,760 who's desperately trying to get back 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,920 to her 52-year-old lover boy. 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,680 I'm on a journey through Romania, 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,200 to expose how this all begins. 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,000 We're actually police officers. 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Where are you living? 23 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,120 You're not. 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,920 I know you're not living here. 25 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,680 With police in the UK struggling to cope... 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,880 You just see the worst of societies. 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,000 You see what people can do to other people 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,400 without giving an absolute damn about that person. 29 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,040 ..I want to know how this brutal trade 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,680 is being allowed to thrive. 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,680 The state of Romania doesn't care 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,400 about the life of children, yes. 33 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,680 We've had intelligence it's being used as a brothel. 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,280 Numerous males coming and going out of the address 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,960 throughout the day. 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,400 There are young girls at the address 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,800 who are letting these males in. 38 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,320 And we believe it's Romanian women. 39 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,560 This is an increasingly familiar story. 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,080 Police have identified a house they think has trafficked girls 41 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,640 inside, and they want to get them out. 42 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:41,080 Due to their age, I've got concerns that there may be 43 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,200 some exploitation, 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,080 they've been trafficked to the country. 45 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:45,760 So we want to go in as low key as possible 46 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,120 and start building that early rapport with the girls. 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,560 At this stage, winning the girls' trust is vital. 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Ideally, we don't want to just put the door in 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,320 and put the fear into people straight away. 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,920 Police! Police! GIRL SCREAMS 51 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:01,200 I can hear... Police! 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,880 All right, guys. Police! 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,920 I say go in low-key and they're screaming. 54 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:07,080 OFFICERS SHOUT INDISTINCTLY 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,400 Have you got some clothes? 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:10,880 Where's your clothes, more importantly? 57 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,200 So there's four Romanian girls in there, 58 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,440 all basically in their lingerie. 59 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,440 It's just being used as a brothel. 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Every week in the West Midlands, 61 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,720 they search at least one of these houses. 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,880 24 missed calls. 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,640 They've been constantly going off. 64 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,320 Yeah, that'll be their punters. 65 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,080 PHONE VIBRATES 66 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,640 What is, what have we got? 67 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,560 We've got a bit of crack. A bit of crack? 68 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,960 And a bit of cannabis. OK. 69 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,040 When we come into the property and you can see the drugs, 70 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,200 alcohol and the level of desperation from the people 71 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,480 that are here, 72 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,360 it shows you what they're being potentially subjected to. 73 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,240 The girls are in their early 20s. 74 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,040 They don't speak English and they're scared. 75 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,560 Police take them to a community centre to talk to them. 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,760 You haven't got many belongings, have you, 77 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,400 considering you've been in the UK three years? 78 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Who does she pay the rent to, then? 79 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,840 That girl is back in Romania. 80 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,640 Do you know her name? 81 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,800 The main reason to do that is to tease information out, 82 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,640 to try and see whether they have, A, been trafficked, 83 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,080 B, are they under any control 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,920 while they're at the address now? 85 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,440 The stories are similar, but they're not. 86 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,480 They are all saying they pay different money. 87 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,720 They're all saying they pay different people. 88 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,760 So it does raise concerns to me 89 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,360 that someone is potentially in control of that address. 90 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,960 But the girls give very little away. 91 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,560 They say they're here voluntarily, 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,600 though the youngest seems to want to help. 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,280 She is listening intently when I'm describing 94 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,160 some of the circumstances that girls find themselves in. 95 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,720 She's got my number, she might call. 96 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,440 I'm just trying to think moving forward then, 97 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,560 is it worth us doing another visit there? 98 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,360 Or... She's not a child. Yeah. 99 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,280 She's an adult. Yeah. 100 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:10,240 We can't force her to come out, unfortunately, 101 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,280 even if we know, we suspect, something's not right. 102 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:14,440 Yes, OK. 103 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,000 All we want to do is help these people. 104 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,880 But, like I say, we can only act upon what we're being told. 105 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,960 Because sex work is legal in the UK, 106 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,000 Brian and his team now have no choice 107 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,760 but to send the girls back to the house. 108 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,280 Of all the suspected victims of sex trafficking in the UK 109 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:56,280 last year, more came from Romania than anywhere else... 110 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,360 ..and so I've come here to find out why so many girls 111 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,280 are being trafficked 112 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:06,680 and why they're so reluctant to accept help. 113 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,880 OK, you come in and then we release the dogs. 114 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,040 Hi. Hello. 115 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,240 You need to have a seat because 116 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,880 otherwise they will attack you, honestly. 117 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,920 Iana Matei runs the only shelter in Romania 118 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,720 for children who've been trafficked for sex. 119 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Hi. Hello. Hello. 120 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,720 Along with help from her son, Stefan. 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,160 You are a great help, and I appreciate that. 122 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,040 Is he a good son? Yes. The best, honestly. 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,720 Now you stay here cos I work. 124 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,320 Watch me. 125 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,120 A new girl is brought in. 126 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,600 She's 16. 127 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:47,840 She has been trafficked 128 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,360 and they pushed her from the first floor, 129 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,120 so she doesn't have the teeth and her leg is broken. 130 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,680 She fall into a garbage bin, so she's lucky to be alive. 131 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,320 All the girls here have been lured into the sex trade 132 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,600 as children, 133 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,160 by traffickers pretending to be in love with them. 134 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,040 This tactic is called the lover boy. 135 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,160 The lover boy method is the most horrible method 136 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,720 of recruiting girls. 137 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,920 There are recruiters in the schoolyards. 138 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,720 They are planted in the school and they talk to the girls. 139 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,720 This guy comes and tells them, "I love you so much. 140 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,920 "You are so beautiful. You are so smart. 141 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,560 "I want to marry you." 142 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,800 They want to believe it. It's easy to believe. 143 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,560 Daniella is the youngest girl in the shelter. 144 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,320 I have a 13-year-old girl right here, 145 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,880 who's desperately trying to get back 146 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,920 to her 52-year-old lover boy. 147 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,840 When she runs away, she tells the police, 148 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,680 "I want to go to my lover boy, he's 52 years old. 149 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,080 "I love him." 150 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,680 This is one of them that she's in love with. 151 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,240 That's a photo of her with her trafficker? 152 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Yeah. 153 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,480 She calls him Iubi. 154 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,000 Iubire means love. 155 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,680 Everyone talks about trafficking as being 156 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:40,560 a consequence of poverty. 157 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,280 Bull. It's not. 158 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,240 It's of unloved children. 159 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,040 If he tells them, "I love you," 160 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,240 and the second day, he will beat them up 161 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,520 to go and work on the street, so what? 162 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,560 They've been beaten up so many times. 163 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,400 They've been put down by other people. 164 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,960 Whatever you want, they've been through all. 165 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,880 But, "I love you," they never heard. 166 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,400 The girls here are not unusual. 167 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,560 Last year, there were hundreds of victims of sex trafficking 168 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,880 in Romania. 169 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,240 Half of them were children. 170 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,560 They are getting younger and younger. 171 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:28,920 The younger the girl, 172 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,040 the easier it is for the trafficker to scare her. 173 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,680 They don't need to beat them up, 174 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:36,800 they don't need to work hard. 175 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Now we have girls as young as 12 when they get to us. 176 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,400 They started at ten. 177 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,200 Is that what you're seeing, 178 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,080 girls trafficked at ten years old? 179 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Yeah, we had a few cases. 180 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:58,760 If they are on the streets since they are 13, 181 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,520 when they are 18 and they come to the UK, 182 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,160 this is the only life they know. 183 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,640 This is the only thing they will do. 184 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,840 Iana's son, Stef, is taking me to see 185 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,040 where the trafficked girls are pimped out. 186 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,760 Here's another girl, right in the front here. 187 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,640 So they get groomed here at very young ages 188 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,640 and years of constant abuse and manipulation. 189 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,040 These guys are smart. They work in a team. 190 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,360 It's too easy for them. 191 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,080 I mean, I was hearing a trafficker talk, 192 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,160 and he's like, "Man, stuff drugs. 193 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,040 "Drugs are so hard. You need capital. 194 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,920 "You need infrastructure. 195 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,880 "With girls, all you need is a big mouth. 196 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,400 "You tell them a few things and these dumb girls, you know, 197 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,760 "they fall right into your bag 198 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,440 "and you can make tonnes of money off them." 199 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,280 So that's a pimp's explanation. 200 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,880 It's easy - easy money. 201 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,120 After years of being trafficked in Romania, the girls are often 202 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,520 brought here, where there's more money to be made. 203 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,680 Elena was left for dead by her traffickers. 204 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,720 She was discovered in a flat in the West Midlands 205 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,440 and taken to hospital. 206 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,400 She's been moved now to a safe house. 207 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,400 I've never seen anyone in that state before. 208 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,920 She was repeatedly beaten. She'd been malnourished. 209 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,080 She had burns. She had lots of wounds on her body. 210 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,120 One of the consultants in there had estimated that 211 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,120 she'd only had 48 hours to live. 212 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,280 I'm meeting Elena a few months after her escape, 213 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,400 and I can see how traumatised she is. 214 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,600 She was trafficked to the UK by a man she thought she loved, 215 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,360 forced to leave her one-year-old son behind. 216 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,640 As soon as she arrived here, she was locked in a flat. 217 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,160 How many men used to come each day? 218 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,480 Elena was forced to advertise herself online. 219 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,000 So you had to put an advert of yourself on this website 220 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,600 for men to come and sleep with you? 221 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,080 This is the website Elena was advertised on. 222 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,040 It's legal and one of the most common sites used 223 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,640 by sex workers. 224 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,880 But a number of recent convictions 225 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,080 show traffickers have used it to sell their victims. 226 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Viva Street says it cooperates with police investigations 227 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,840 and has measures in place to detect criminal behaviour, 228 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,640 which they continually review and update. 229 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,520 But by advertising online, 230 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,240 the girls can be kept off the streets, 231 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,840 hidden in houses, making them harder to find. 232 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,200 Age is 21 years old. 233 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,320 It's advertised on Viva Street, right. 234 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,920 Romanian female, isn't it? 235 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,880 Detective Colin Ward is scouring the websites, 236 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,080 looking for signs the girls have been trafficked. 237 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,520 There's at least two or three different females 238 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,760 using the same number. 239 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,960 This is the surest sign. 240 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,320 It tends to indicate someone else is controlling 241 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:13,600 that telephone number. 242 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Someone else is controlling those sex workers. 243 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Because of the change to online and because of the change from, 244 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,680 say, massage parlours, where we might have had traffic victims 245 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,480 working in the past, 246 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,880 the houses, it's just a normal house on a normal street. 247 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,280 It's a normal flat in a normal apartment block. 248 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,320 People will have neighbours who are victims of sex trafficking. 249 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,560 It's got harder for us because it could be anywhere. 250 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,760 We don't know where to go to. 251 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,480 We don't know where to go and visit. 252 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,760 And so Colin is trying a new but controversial tactic. 253 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,040 Once he spots a possible victim, 254 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,640 he tries to arrange a meeting by posing as a client. 255 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,320 Make sure I've got the right phone 256 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,440 and not send it from my own personal phone. 257 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,240 That's a good start. 258 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,200 I'm just saying, "Are you free?" 259 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,200 And then I'll get an address back, hopefully. 260 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,680 So at this stage, 261 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,760 she doesn't know that you're a police officer? 262 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:18,800 No, and that's always up for debate over what we're doing. 263 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,720 You know, are we pretending to be someone else? 264 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,080 Not at the moment, no. Cos I'm just saying, "Are you free?" 265 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,480 As soon as we go to that premises, 266 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,960 as soon as she opens the door, I identify as a police officer. 267 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,640 Go, do a left. 268 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,760 Sex trafficking is rife in the UK. 269 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,960 I don't think we've got anywhere near the true picture 270 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,160 of how many victims there are there. 271 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,160 It must be miles bigger than what we know already. 272 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,160 Hi, are you OK? 273 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,480 We're actually police officers. 274 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,920 Yeah, it's OK. It's OK. Don't worry. Don't be scared. 275 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,040 No need to worry. 276 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Colin finds a woman alone in the flat... 277 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,760 Where are you living? 278 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:56,920 You're not? 279 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,080 ..with just a mattress and a bag of condoms. 280 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,200 You're not living here. 281 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,200 There's no clothes, there's no food, there's no nothing. 282 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Yeah, so don't think we're stupid, OK? 283 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,840 There's £1,000 there in clients, 284 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,360 but you've not got a penny on you. 285 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:16,600 It makes me think that you're not keeping the money. 286 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,600 But just like in Birmingham, 287 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,320 the girl refuses to accept help. 288 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,160 For now, it's another failed attempt. 289 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,280 What I'm worried about is 290 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,080 I know you're not telling us the truth 291 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,680 and I understand that. 292 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,800 If there is anything going on, where you're not safe, 293 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,360 you need to let us know. 294 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,040 Oh, wait a minute. Bloody hell. 295 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,720 Probably a few minutes after we left the house, 296 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,680 I had a text message from the lady just saying, "Thanks," 297 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,280 which is really unusual. 298 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,280 I've probably never had that before 299 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,000 when we've done this sort of work. 300 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,120 Romanian women in general, 301 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,560 there's very little trust of the police. 302 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,440 The experience they've probably had with their police 303 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,720 in their own country can be really, really poor. 304 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,880 I've been doing this for 14 years now. 305 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,600 I can count on one hand how many victims have gone, 306 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,000 "I'm a victim, I need help." 307 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,640 It just doesn't happen. 308 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,000 During my time in Romania, 309 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,160 I found that children are being groomed by traffickers 310 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,320 from the age of ten, 311 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,160 which explains why many of them don't realise 312 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,920 they've been exploited. 313 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:47,960 But I want to understand more about their deep distrust 314 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,680 of police and authorities, where this comes from. 315 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,680 Then I hear an unbelievable story 316 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,880 that might help explain things. 317 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,320 When I arrive to meet this family, 318 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:15,520 they're celebrating. 319 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,240 Their oldest daughter, Andrea, has just been brought home 320 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,440 after being trafficked three years ago. 321 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,120 Andrea is distant. 322 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,320 She's still adjusting to being back. 323 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,280 But after a while, she starts playing me her favourite music 324 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,120 and tells me what happened. 325 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,160 This is where the story takes an unexpected turn. 326 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,600 Andrea's parents say they knew who'd taken her, 327 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,480 but the police wouldn't help them. 328 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,600 Eventually, Marioara decided to rescue her daughter herself. 329 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,680 She contacted the trafficker 330 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,640 and arranged to meet him by setting up a fake drug deal. 331 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,080 Why do you think police didn't search for her? 332 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,400 The local police force have told us 333 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,560 they did look for Andrea, and they referred her case 334 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,960 to a specialist anti-trafficking team. 335 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,880 But I keep hearing the same story - 336 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,000 that when children here are trafficked, 337 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,360 police often turn a blind eye. 338 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,680 And I want to know from police themselves 339 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,240 why this is happening. 340 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,440 So I've come to meet Cosmin Andreica, 341 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,600 the head of Romania's policing union. 342 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,880 Why have you decided to speak out? 343 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,160 Every year we have more and more girls who are trafficked. 344 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,240 The system is more than broken. 345 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,160 The system is overwhelmed. 346 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,320 Is it a case that these officers don't realise 347 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,160 the girls have been trafficked? 348 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,520 They don't see it as a problem? 349 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,840 We have more than 100 cases of disappearance in a county 350 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,600 and we only have one to five police officers who investigate 351 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,320 this kind of disappearance. 352 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,680 It's inefficient to investigate. 353 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,200 It's impossible. It's impossible. Yes, in fact. 354 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,800 But not only this, 355 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,840 Cosmin tells me the traffickers, 356 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,840 by luring the girls with the lover boy method, 357 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,760 are exploiting a loophole in the law. 358 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,320 When a child leaves voluntarily, 359 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,360 police here cannot treat it as a crime. 360 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,080 The prosecutor ask him, 361 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,920 "Do we have some real proof that she was kidnapped?" 362 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,960 "No." 363 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,880 "OK, then maybe she left because she got in love 364 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,280 "with some guy. 365 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,840 "Or maybe she left because she wanted a better future." 366 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,960 But then came a case 367 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,920 that was impossible to ignore 368 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080 and sent shock waves through the country. 369 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,400 PHONE DIALLING TONE 370 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,240 This 15-year-old girl was murdered in a tiny rural town, 371 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,200 Caracal, which is renowned for trafficking. 372 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,080 Maria is the journalist who covered the case. 373 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,720 When a girl disappears in Caracal, 374 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,800 it's not such fuss 375 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,000 because usually girls, young girls, disappear here. 376 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,720 So when Alexandra Macesanu was kidnapped 377 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,640 on her way home from school, 378 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,920 her parents received a familiar response. 379 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,600 She was locked in a room. 380 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,880 She managed to grab a phone left in the room 381 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,360 and to do a 911 call. 382 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,880 This is a recording of the call she made to the police. 383 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,440 Alexandra made three calls to 911. 384 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,040 She was repeatedly asking, "Will you come here? 385 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,240 "Will you send somebody to save me?" 386 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,160 And they were mocking her because she didn't know 387 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,520 where she is detained. 388 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,280 Her last words were, "Please, please come." 389 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,600 Police didn't trace Alexandra's phone calls. 390 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,640 It would be 16 hours before they arrived at the house 391 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,120 she was being held. 392 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,360 But they didn't enter. 393 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:07,160 They waited outside for ten hours because they said, 394 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,440 "We have no permission from a judge to enter." 395 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,800 By the time they went inside, they found a barrel of ashes. 396 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,280 Her kidnapper said he'd killed her and burnt her body. 397 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,560 He also admitted killing another missing teenager, 398 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,560 Luiza Melencu, who disappeared three months earlier. 399 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,640 These events have triggered an outpouring of grief 400 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,520 and outrage across Romania. 401 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,400 Here is the candles that people are bringing 402 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,880 from all over the country. 403 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,400 It's... I think it's a collective trauma, 404 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,800 what happened here. 405 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,280 Why are people coming from so far? 406 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,680 To light the candle just to put light in a dark, 407 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,840 a very dark place and to make the authorities see 408 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,000 that we care about what happened and we expect, 409 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,720 I don't know, something to change. 410 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,560 The policemen in Romania, 411 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,080 they usually don't pay much attention 412 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,360 when a girl is missing 413 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,640 because they think it's about human trafficking, 414 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,320 and the investigation ends here. 415 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,000 How do you feel about the way the police 416 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,640 have handled your case? 417 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,040 As I spend time with Alexandra's mother, 418 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,080 I realise something truly heartbreaking. 419 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,600 They believe their daughter is alive. 420 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,480 Because of the police incompetence? 421 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,640 Because of the police, yes. 422 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,360 That was... 423 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,000 It was just really sad to meet them, really sad. 424 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,360 Because police investigate cases so poorly... 425 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,240 ..they won't believe their daughter's dead. 426 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,760 They think that it's a more plausible explanation... 427 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,800 ..that she's been trafficked. 428 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,240 The state of Romania doesn't care about the lives 429 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,120 of their people. 430 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,200 Doesn't care about the lives of the children. 431 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680 Doesn't care about the life of children, yes. 432 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,160 This is the conclusion. 433 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,600 We've been to Romania 434 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,560 to try and understand what is going on. 435 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,640 We found that these children are beginning their trafficked 436 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,240 journey from the age of ten. 437 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,480 Does that surprise you? 438 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,280 It doesn't surprise me at all, no. No. 439 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,920 These are the girls that then end up in the UK, 440 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,320 in the houses that you find. 441 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,680 So Romania's failings are becoming your problem. 442 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,920 Yeah. 443 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,160 But it's also the fault of us, you know, 444 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,640 I think in this, in this country 445 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,960 in as far as us not identifying the victims 446 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,480 as much as we want to, 447 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,720 not getting those convictions that we need to be getting 448 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,320 against traffickers. 449 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,480 Cheers, bye. 450 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,760 We're not getting enough cases to court, 451 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,680 anywhere near shape or form. 452 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,400 Anybody else here? Just you? 453 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Go in, go inside. 454 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,880 We just want to make sure you're OK. 455 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,280 So I need to speak to this chap, 456 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,800 so if you just go back downstairs. Where are you from? 457 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,680 It's been so easy for so long. 458 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,440 You know, for when a victim will say, "I'm not a victim," 459 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,360 for, you know, police to go, "OK, you're not a victim. 460 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,920 "We've got nowhere to go with this." 461 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,040 We need to get out there that people are not going 462 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,000 to come forward, so we do need to still investigate 463 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,120 these crimes. 464 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320 Some forces, like Greater Manchester, 465 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,360 are now trying to build cases without testimony 466 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,360 from those who've been exploited. 467 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,920 But this requires time, skill and money. 468 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,120 Three months on from their visit to this house 469 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,040 in Birmingham and police have come back to check up 470 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,040 on the four girls they think are being exploited. 471 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,160 It doesn't look occupied. Looks like they've left. 472 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,840 We did a warrant there, we raided it. 473 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080 The neighbour said that the occupants moved out 474 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,400 two weeks ago. 475 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,920 They're very pleased that they no longer live here. 476 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,720 That's what the neighbour's saying. 477 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,120 All right. Thank you. Take care. 478 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280 Police just have no idea where the girls are now, 479 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,720 and this is what keeps happening, they tell us. 480 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,760 The women get moved through different houses so quickly 481 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960 that it's impossible to keep up. 482 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,800 Politicians are aware of the problem, 483 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480 but still it continues to grow. 484 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,080 I'm going to meet the head 485 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,760 of the Parliamentary Group on Sexual Exploitation, 486 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,760 MP Diana Johnson, 487 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,960 who's pushing the Government to act. 488 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,960 We have trafficking into this country 489 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,000 on an industrial scale. 490 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,160 Women being trafficked in for the sex industry 491 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,800 and we are failing to address it. 492 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,760 Although we've got the Modern Slavery Act 493 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,080 and we've got legislation about trafficking, 494 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,240 the number of prosecutions are tiny. 495 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,440 Over the last three years, 496 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,280 nearly 6,000 victims of sex trafficking 497 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,640 have come forward. 498 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,400 But in this time, there have been just 95 prosecutions. 499 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,200 Despite all the warnings, 500 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,360 the Government has failed to act, 501 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,800 and that's shameful. 502 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,840 The UK Government says it's 503 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,680 working here and with authorities in Romania 504 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,880 to ensure those responsible are brought to justice, 505 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,960 using what it says are some of the most stringent 506 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,160 human-trafficking laws in the world. 507 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,200 We could easily rescue someone 508 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,640 every day in Greater Manchester. 509 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,040 But we need that intelligence coming in to us. 510 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,040 OK, so it's not going to be you left here at this house? 511 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,680 Dealing with trafficking and dealing with this sort of 512 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,240 crime, it will have affected me. I've no doubt at all. 513 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,320 Because you just see the worst in society, you see what people 514 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120 can do to other people without giving an absolute damn 515 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,720 about that person. 516 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,080 These are letters for Santa. 517 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,600 Ripped jeans. 518 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,480 Cigarettes. 519 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,760 Oh... Diapers for the baby. 520 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,760 And lots of kisses. 521 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,320 I remember one girl was saying, "I want a family to love me. 522 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,000 "I want to have a house... 523 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,160 "..and a family." 524 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,120 These were the things that I couldn't - 525 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,480 Santa couldn't give them. 526 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,120 A few days ago, Daniella 527 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,440 tried to run away from the shelter again. 528 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,000 What's happened to her trafficker? 529 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Nothing. 530 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,920 Nothing happened to the trafficker. I mean, the mother 531 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120 went and filed a complaint... Where is he? 532 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,560 He's at home, doing fine. 533 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,920 It's not a case against him because she doesn't say 534 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,520 that she was forced, she was whatever - she loves him. 535 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,440 Yes, in my opinion, he should be charged and 536 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,560 sentenced. He is 52 and she's 12. 537 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,640 Bringing traffickers to justice 538 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,760 has always been a problem in Romania. 539 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,000 Convictions are rare and punishments are lax. 540 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,320 Last year, dozens of convicted traffickers avoided prison. 541 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,520 They were given suspended sentences instead. 542 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,240 What needs to change here? 543 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,840 Trafficking, it's an organised crime. 544 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,360 As it is now, the income is high, the risk is low. 545 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,360 But if you reverse the equation 546 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,520 and you put them in jail for a long time, 547 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,000 and confiscate everything they have, then it's not 548 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,280 going to be that easy to do trafficking. 549 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,440 I think that they will think twice. 550 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,400 Why do you have bigger sentences 551 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,040 for trafficking drugs? 552 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,280 The message you send out there is, you can sell a few 553 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,880 children from the poor countries, 554 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,080 you make a lot of money and you don't go to jail. 555 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,560 It's been two years since I began this journey, 556 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,360 and I'm realising that nothing ends well. 557 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,920 I'm going to meet Elena, 558 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,840 the girl who was rescued from the house in the UK. 559 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,360 I know that, after some hesitation, 560 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,360 she's agreed to give evidence to the police. 561 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,760 Hi! How are you? 562 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,840 I'm good. You look great. Yes. 563 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,720 I know you've had your tattoo changed 564 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,320 from where he branded you before. 565 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,280 Why did you choose a feather? 566 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,720 But Elena has some disappointing news. 567 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,440 West Midlands Police have dropped her case 568 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,480 and her trafficker has fled back to Romania. 569 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,000 Do you think you can go back to Romania? 570 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,120 Elena is one of the only girls I've ever heard of who's agreed 571 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,240 to give evidence to the police. 572 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:39,240 I know how hard it was for her to give that evidence. 573 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,000 It shows that even when the girls speak out, 574 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,440 which is so rare, 575 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,640 it's not necessarily enough to get their cases to court. 576 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,920 I also want to know about Andrea, 577 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,200 the teenager in Romania 578 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,640 rescued by her parents 579 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640 from the boot of her trafficker's car. 580 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,880 Her dad's now working here in London. He's just called me and 581 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,400 asked if I'll come and meet him, because he says that he's 582 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,200 got something to tell me. 583 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,520 Hi. Oh... 584 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,840 How are you? I'm OK. 585 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,440 How are you? I'm fine. 586 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,480 How is your daughter? 587 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120 It must be so hard, after two years, 588 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,400 to have this happen again. 589 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,480 So the minute you left, they came for her. 590 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,680 Are you worried they might try 591 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,520 to traffic her to another country? 592 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,440 Since the murders in Caracal, the Romanian Government 593 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,360 says it has made efforts to tackle trafficking. 594 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,920 There are now more specialist officers and tougher sentences 595 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,760 for trafficking children. 596 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,040 But on the ground, very little has changed. 597 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,880 I feel angry because I hear these stories for 20 years, 598 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,240 and we should have stopped this by now. 599 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,840 The only conclusion is that we didn't have 600 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,680 the will to stop it. 601 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,440 The bottom line is that we don't care. 602 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,360 Some days you do walk away and it does play on your mind 603 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,120 when you go home and think, "Could I have done something 604 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,360 "different? Could I have said something else to them? 605 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,360 "Could I have helped them another way?" 606 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,600 Do you feel like you're fighting a losing battle? 607 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,480 No. 608 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,240 I think we're fighting a big battle. 609 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,720 It's going to take a lot of fighting. 610 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,520 I think if we thought we were fighting a losing battle, 611 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,160 it'd be time to give up. 612 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,840 She looks so like your wife, doesn't she, in that photo? 613 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,320 They look so similar. Yeah. 614 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,040 Wow. Yeah, she's grown up. Yeah. 45098

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