All language subtitles for The.Co-Ed.Killer.Mind.Of.A.Monster.S01E02.Part2.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DD2.0.H.264-Cinefeel[eztv.re]

The residents of this area
understandably are edgy.

They're asking themselves,
is the killer still around
these parts?

It was just six months ago
that a human head

was found in the hills
not too far from here...

and the details of that murder
still are a mystery.

[men speaking]

[Monty]
My dad interviewed Kemper
over several months.

Each time he went in,
they would develop a little
bit more of a relationship.

And at the time,
they didn't really have
a category

for the type of killer
that Ed Kemper was.

He really wanted to get
into the mind of the killer

and figure out
what were the causal factors

in making him go
from a normal human being
to a sociopathic killer.

[reporter] Local people don't
think Santa Cruz is the murder
capital of the world

but there is concern,
short of alarm, that a killer
may still be at large.

[Emerson]
Gruesome details, skull found
in a remote Loma Prieta.

So these are newspapers
from the time
when it happened.

This is my local history,
this is Santa Cruz's history,

these murders changed
Santa Cruz.

It impacted so many people
in the community

and it was something
that we talked about a lot
in our family.

Ed Kemper,
he was my boogeyman,
he was our family's boogeyman.

There are so many rumors
about Kemper and what he did,
what he didn't do.

So many outrageous stories.

It's interesting to me to get
to the bottom and try to see
where the truth lies.

[man]
Okay, fellas, move on in.

After Kemper murdered
his grandparents,

he was sent to Atascadero,
which is a, basically
a mental hospital for adults.

[man] Okay, fellas, be seated.

[Emerson]
So here's a 15-year-old boy,

massive,
but he's still 15 years old,

in this facility
with other adults.

There were 1,600 inmates,
24 of them were murderers

and 800 of them
were sex offenders.

[man 1 speaking]

During your teenage
formative years,

this is the company
that he grew up with.

And I believe it was the other
inmates that taught him...

if you're gonna rape someone,
you need to kill them,

you need to get rid
of the evidence,
you can't leave anyone alive.

They put him
through a battery of tests

and gave him this label
of sociopathic disorder,
anti-social...

and that he was
a passive-aggressive type
of person.

Kemper had a facade
of being polite
and cooperative

because that had worked
for him in many ways.

He would pretend to be normal,
pleasing, you know,
good manners.

At the same time,
having these aggressive,
nasty fantasies

about killing people.

[man 1 speaking]

Because his IQ score came up
in the superior range,

the psychiatrist thought
that maybe it would be good

to give him more
responsibility.

And so, when he wants
to help them handle
the psychological tests

that seems like a good idea
to them.

[man 1 speaking]

Kemper's genius
was the manipulation

of getting the psychiatrists
and psychologists

to actually allow him to see
the contents of the test,

so he could memorize them
in order to get passable
scores on these tests

and be able to get out.

[man 1 speaking]

The sealing of the records
meaning they're still there

but nobody gets access
to them.

Future employers would not be
able to find out if he had,
in fact, a juvenile record.

[Emerson]
Edmund Kemper was released
from Atascadero in 1969.

They felt like he was cured,

they felt like he was gonna be
an upstanding citizen
the rest of his life.

[narrator] The grizzly story
began in this cove,

the upper part
of a girl's torso washed up
on this beach

two miles north
of the Santa Cruz pier...

then a hand was found
two days later

by a surfer who was
in the water near Capitola,
seven miles to the southeast.

[Mickey] A highway patrol
officer found body parts
over the cliff,

over down by Carmel,
which is about 20-25 miles
across the bay.

About seven days later,
a torso washed up here
on the city of Santa Cruz.

Subsequently, the torso
and the other body parts
were matched together

with x-rays, they did
fingerprints and everything,

and determined
that it was Cynthia Schall

who was reported missing here
in Santa Cruz.

[men speaking]

I think this is one
of my favorite pictures
of Forrest and Cynthia.

She just has the sweetest face
and the sweetest disposition
and it's just adorable.

Cynthia was 18,

she was going
to Cabrillo College
in Santa Cruz...

and she lived with a family
and took care of the kids
in her off-school hours.

She was very much
looking forward
to getting a car

that was a point of contention
with her mother, my mother.

She didn't have a car
and that's why she ended up
hitchhiking.

My mother called me
and she said that Cynthia
is missing.

The parents that Cynthia
was taking care
of the children,

let my mom know
that she hasn't been home
in three days.

When Cynthia disappeared
and we heard nothing,

I didn't wanna jump
to conclusions

but I felt something
was very, very wrong.

[man 1 speaking]

[Forrest]
I got the news on the TV
that she had been murdered.

The whole family
was just devastated.

We all came together
to be with my mother

and we had a service
for Cynthia.

There's a nice picture
of Candy and Cynthia.

Candace was my other sister,
she was never the same.

She became a drug addict
and she died
when she was about 33.

So it basically destroyed
our family.

I lost a best friend.

And I still miss her today.

People are definitely
uptight,

they don't know exactly
what we have running loose
around here

and they're very concerned.

[reporter] Why are all these
murders here?

Well, one reason
is that we have
a homicidal maniac

apparently who's been
running around.

[Tom] I would go visit
the Santa Cruz Police

and Santa Cruz Sheriff's
Department Detectives
on a daily basis, saying,

"What the hell
is going on here?"

And the police were saying,
"We just don't know,
we just don't have any clues."

At the time Santa Cruz
was so small,

there was a very limited
police department.

Most of the cops
were local kids,

who had grown up
and they hadn't had training
in major investigations.

[Terry] There was a lot
of discussion about why these
bodies have been dismembered.

Is it somebody that knows
how to dismember?

Could it be somebody
that was at one time
a butcher, a doctor,

or somebody like that?

So our discussions now
about the totality
of these murder cases

really starts to focus
on somebody
that is very smart.

This does not now seem to us
to be some outraged
monster-killer

randomly doing things
on the spur of the moment.

This is somebody
that is thinking
about what they are doing.

[Emerson] He was getting
better as a killer...

he had what he called
his murder car,

he had his murder clothes
that were dark,

if they got stained
with blood, people wouldn't be
able to see.

He had his car
with the handle latch

that he could reach across,

drop a little chap stick
in the door,

so they couldn't open it again
from the inside.

He knew how to commit crimes
that were very hard to detect.

It's the age-old issue
of across districts,

across counties, across
law enforcement agencies

and Kemper was smart,
he knew that.

He knew he was gonna pick up
over here,

he was gonna kill over here,
he was gonna dump over here.

He was gonna massacre
these bodies
beyond recognition,

try to make identification
impossible.

I think that's one
of the reasons a lot of people
in law enforcement

felt like he was a genius.

[indistinct chatter]

[man 1 speaking]

At Atascadero, they said,

"When he is released,
he should not be released

into the custody
of his mother."

Because his mother
is a precipitating factor
for a lot of his anger.

But in their infinite wisdom,
the California Youth Authority

released Kemper
into the custody
of his mother.

[man 1 speaking]

My name is Jim Connor.

This is me, 70s,
and you see
how beautiful I am.

Before I went to work
for the police department,

I worked at a local tire shop

and I would take tires
to small businesses
around Santa Cruz...

and one of those businesses
was this gas station
where Ed worked.

My first impression of him,
when I first met him, is that,

"Oh, my God,
this guy's a giant."

You know,
he had a great personality,
easy to talk to.

He's just kind of
a guy's kind of guy.

As far back as I can remember,
I always had a desire
to be a cop.

[siren wailing]

And I became a full-fledged
police officer in 1970.

One of the first things I did
is I took my police car

and I drove down to show
myself off to Ed.

He came out
and I remember
just being so proud.

I talked to him a lot
about being a police officer

and, "you're a big guy,
you're gonna make
a great cop."

And he would say,
"No, you know,
they wouldn't take me."

And he had his reasons
for saying that.

I didn't have a clue
what he was talking about.

I just figured
that it wasn't his cup of tea,
so to speak.

[men speaking]

[reporter] This spot
is just a stone's throw

from the Santa Cruz campus
of the University
of California.

It's not far from here
that just a week ago today,

four more bodies
were discovered
in a connected series

of unsolved murders
in this area.

By January of '73,
we had about
13 different homicides

that we were investigating,
which is a huge number
for Santa Cruz area.

Most of our homicides
were gunshots...

people in the counter-culture
lifestyle,

that sort of thing,
some hitchhikers.

It was just going crazy.

[Terry] We were reeling
under the strain
of just the amount of crime.

A woman and her two young sons
were found murdered
in their tiny cabin,

and if it can get
any more bizarre, it does.

The killing
of a catholic priest,

found in a confessional
in his church,
stabbed to death.

The volume of the homicides,
it is very overwhelming

but you look at each one
and you try
to piece them together,

are these cases related?

What's my next step?

And then boom,
there's another murder.

So it just keeps piling up
and piling up.

I'm thinking,
"Well, is this one person?

Is this two people?
Is it more than that?
What's going on?"

I don't know how much more
I can handle.

[reporter]
Hill's beautiful and green
for walking, camping, fishing.

Just coming someplace
where it's nice.

Those things remain
but there is a horrible
overlay to it all now,

for this is also the area

in which 13 murders
have been committed
in the past six weeks.

At least the co-eds at the
University of Santa Cruz

and at Cabrillo College
started to take the message
of don't hitchhike, seriously.

And we did see a change.

Do you hitchhike?

Only if absolutely necessary.
And only with females now.

-Why?
-Well, I'm afraid.

Why did you quit?

Because of all
the weird things
that have been happening,

with the rapes
and girls being chopped up
and things like that.

[Mickey] We were working
six and seven days a week,

12-14 hours a day,
trying to get a handle
on all this stuff.

At this point,
we had no clues,

we went for quite a while
without any suspect,
whatsoever.

The guy was...
He covered his tracks
really well.

[men speaking]

My name is Isebill Gruhn.

I joined the UCSC in 1960.

I worked
with Clarnell Strandberg
at Stevenson College.

I was a faculty member,

she was the administrative
assistant to the provost.

My impression of Clarnell
at first was that she was shy.

Sometimes
when I passed her door

and she didn't seem to be
doing anything,

I would just greet her
and say, "How are you?"

She was not very chatty,
she would say,
"Oh, things are not easy."

One day, I saw a very tall,
young man pick her up
in a car...

some kind of sedan.

Many of us those days had,
you know, Volkswagens
and small cars

and it was the biggest car.

So I sort of said to her,
"Is this a relative of yours?"

And she said,
"Oh, yes, that's my son."

He was a tall, young man,

who didn't dress or look
any different
than lots of student types.

He didn't look suspicious,
he didn't look creepy...

but I can tell you,
I never saw any kind
of interaction like hugging

or somebody putting his arm
or her arm around the other,
or anything of the sort.

Do I think she was carrying
a burden?

I think so.

[man 2 speaking]

Donald Lunde, as part of his
attempt to learn about Kemper,

also interviewed Kemper's
younger sister.

He talked to Allyn
and got more from her

in terms of corroboration
and perspective on the family.

[woman speaking]

In a way, he's replicating
his father's relationship
with her.

His father was already
a role model

of this is how you deal
with Clarnell,
you yell at her.

[man 1 speaking]

Kemper has now become
his father

and has the same
acrimonious relationship

with his mother
that his father had had.

[man 2 and woman speaking]

Kemper and Clarnell
were both raging alcoholics.

They both drank a lot,
they were not afraid
to speak their mind.

I think he said
one of their biggest fights

was about whether he should
get his teeth cleaned.

Benign issues
that were just, would explode.

[man 1 speaking]

[Jim] I would have to say
that the community
was on edge...

and with no suspects...

wanting the police to do more,

because they felt like
that they were maybe next
in line.

Every agency
had a local watering hole,

ours was The Jury Room,

and we're talking
about the cases
that we worked that day.

[Mickey] And this is where
the police officers would go
after work to unwind,

I used to go there
and have a couple of drinks
on my way home.

You would have officers from
Santa Cruz Police Department,

maybe even the Highway Patrol,

District Attorney's
Investigators,
that sort of thing.

And Ed would come there
once in a while
and have a beer with us.

[men speaking]

He was kind of quiet...

he would sit there
and not be a major part
of the conversation

but he was just basically
listening and having his beer.

[man 1 speaking]

I couldn't go anywhere
without somebody asking me
about what is happening

or, you know,
updates on the homicides

or how close are we
to arresting somebody.

We had no clue at that point,

who this person might be,
we had no clues, whatsoever.

[man 1 speaking]

I first met Rosalind
and got to know her

because we were both taking
women's studies classes
and we were both lesbians.

And so, we were basically
in the same circle of people.

And she was really good
at making pie.

Everybody was always happy

when she would come
to a potluck
with one of her pies.

If you could think of a,
you know, a feminist lesbian

who is All-American,
that was Ros.

I assure you,
nobody stands very gently

and puts their hands
on your throat.

They choke you
and they put you down
on that floor

and you're down,
like this man.

Here's Alice.

She was in the same
karate class as me.

Neither one of us
was skillful,

we were beginners,
but she was into it.

She could kick well,
she was very supple,

and it certainly
wasn't a self-defense

because we felt
like there was no need,
we felt immortal.

February is when they both
disappeared.

[men speaking]

He convinced her
to get him an A permit,

an A permit
is a parking permit
up on UC Santa Cruz.

He told her that he wanted
to go to the library.

So anyone hitchhiking
would see this A permit
on his car and think,

"Oh, this is another student,
this is a faculty member
or staff member."

And would assume
that it was safe.

Additionally, at that time,

they had guards posted
at the entrance
of UC Santa Cruz,

if you had an A permit,
right on through.

The police
were not really proactive.

Their initial reaction,
every time a woman
disappeared was,

"Oh, you know,
girls of that age.

They frequently just go off.
They'll be back."

These were not people
who were running away
from home.

Ros was not running away
from her housemate.

These were people
who were already living
an independent life,

they had nothing
to run away from.

[Terry] Their parents were
adamant that they would not
hitchhike...

they would not accept rides,

they were last seen
on the campus,

not hitchhiking
off the campus someplace.

So yes, we did get focused
on students

and faculty trying
to get a focus
on a possible motive.

And then one of the sort
of weird suspicions
that arose was,

well, if they don't get
in cars with men,

maybe they would get
in a car with a woman

and that could be
some kind of lesbian thing.

At one point,
and this was
kind of interesting,

they interviewed me

and asked me questions
circling around
the lesbian community.

And I was, you know,
basically freaked out.

You follow me? Captain.

More of the other boys are,
you'll need to spread out

in there to cover
the flatland.

Well, when the girls
disappeared,

there was a very large scale
search of the campus area

with the last place
that the girls were seen.

When you call me
just call the command post.

[Luita] I participated
in an organized search,

they separated us

into groups according
to the difficulty
of the terrain.

We were going through
the Santa Cruz Mountains.

And I was very fit,

so I participated in the group
that went through
the rough terrain.

And they had us
in a grid
six feet apart about.

And what I really remember
is that while I was walking,

looking carefully
on either side of me,

it was Ros' voice
that I was hearing within me.

I could hear the tenor
of her voice

and I think it was a way
of keeping her alive.

But it became clearer
and clearer to me

that I wasn't looking
for somebody

who had broken her leg
or something like that...

we were looking for a body.

[reporter]
Alice Lui and Rosalind Thorpe
were last seen February 5th.

The bodies were discovered
east of Castro Valley,

both girls
had been decapitated

and the hands from one body
had been cut off.

We knew that it was Rosalind
and Al through their clothing

and they had been shot
to death.

Once that information
had come through,

that spread instantly
throughout the community.

Each one of us went
into ourselves

with our individual reactions

to that kind of level
of horror.

That level of...

nightmare,
it was beyond our imagination.

At the same time,

as the discovery
of the latest victims,

we got probably
one of the biggest breaks

that we've had
in any of these cases.

There was a shooting
in the city of Santa Cruz.

A description was put out
of a particular vehicle

and that vehicle was stopped
a couple of miles away

and the person was arrested.

[reporter]
A 25-year-old Felton area
resident

has been charged
with multiple murders.

Authorities are operating
with the theory,

the murders
are linked with drugs.

A Herbert Mullin, age 25,
has previously been charged

with the murder of members
of the Gianera family,
Francis family and Fred Perez.

We started
to piece together his life.

People knew him as Herbie.

He took hallucinate drugs,
LSD, a lot of pot.

[Tom] Herbert Mullin
was killing people
for crazy reasons.

He had a strange theory
that by killing somebody

then that would lessen
the chance of a killer
earthquake coming in.

[Mickey]
He matched the description
of the person

who was seen
at previous homicides,

which homicides, all of them,
we had no clue, whatsoever.

We were kind of hoping
that he was the one

that was responsible
for all of them.

So we began to feel
a little bit better
about ourselves.

When law enforcement
caught Mullin,

the community
took a big sigh of relief,

they thought this was over,
the nightmare was over.

The serial killer
had been caught.

We know he's killed 10 people,

so that's 10 of how many
other murders we have.

Herbert Mullin
has been accused
in 10 of the 15 murders

tied to this
south coast community.

However, Mullin's alleged
connection with death

does not involve
the cutting up of the victims.

[Mickey] Once we had Mullin,

we knew
that we had him for some
of the homicides,

and probably a good number
of them,

but that was only
the ones where the victims
had been shot,

there still was the question
of the people
who had been dismembered.

[Terry]
It is fairly clear to us,

there's another person
out there killing people
in a different manner,

for different reasons.

And our job isn't done yet.

[man 1 speaking]

April 1973, we were still
solving all of these
homicides,

trying to put
everything together.

And I got a notification
from our record section
of a dealer's record of sale,

indicating that the handgun
had been bought in the name
of Edmund Emil Kemper III.

It's a quite large gun,
that's a .44 magnum,

the same gun
that Dirty Harry used
in all of those movies.

Like I say, it's a huge gun.

[gunshot]

So when that record
of sale came in,

they matched it
to this particular person

that showed that he had been
convicted of a double homicide
a few years earlier...

and that his juvenile record
had been sealed.

So that raises the question,

does that mean
that his prior convictions
cannot be held against him?

We're not sure of that,

so we decided to confiscate
that handgun

until we could get
a judicial decision.

This four plex on the left
is 609 A, B,

and right there is 609-A,
where is the Kemper household.

My partner and I go out
to his house,
this car pulls up...

I told my partner, I said,
"Wait, let's go talk
to this guy."

So I go over there and I said,
"Excuse me, can I talk to you
for a second?"

And I identified myself.

He said, "Sure."
And he got out of the car.

And he got out of the car,
and he got out of the car.

Because he was huge.

We explained
the situation to him.

He was very cooperative,
very personable.

He said, "It's in the trunk."

As he pulls the keys out
to put them in the lock,

my partner and I instinctively
separated to each side
of the car.

He backed up,
I opened up the trunk,
and there was this gun.

So I confiscated it,
gave him the receipt.

He told me later
that had we not separated

when he went
to unlock the trunk,

he was thinking
about killing both of us.

[man 1 speaking]