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I heard a rumour about... 7 00:00:54,513 --> 00:00:56,449 something about locking people out, but I never... 8 00:00:56,473 --> 00:00:58,384 LAUGHTER 9 00:00:59,142 --> 00:01:01,304 BERRY GORDY: Yeah, well, you know, I'm sorry. 10 00:01:01,353 --> 00:01:02,747 MR MCLEAN: I'm sorry, I'm sorry I'm late. 11 00:01:02,771 --> 00:01:05,208 BERRY GORDY: No, but so am I, but you're gonna be able to stay. 12 00:01:05,232 --> 00:01:08,896 I'd just like to urge you that this is serious business, 13 00:01:08,986 --> 00:01:11,478 because from these meetings come the records 14 00:01:11,822 --> 00:01:13,904 that Motown releases to the street. 15 00:01:14,032 --> 00:01:16,615 We've got to maintain our high standards, 16 00:01:16,702 --> 00:01:22,539 cos if the records are not created properly, then we have a bad image out there. 17 00:01:22,833 --> 00:01:26,326 Luckily for us we, have one record in the top ten this week 18 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:29,287 which is always good, which is the Marvin and Tammi record. 19 00:01:30,382 --> 00:01:35,127 The artists that are wide open for releases are Diana Ross and the Supremes, 20 00:01:35,262 --> 00:01:36,878 which we're working on heavily. 21 00:01:36,972 --> 00:01:39,304 We have what I consider a smash on the Four Tops. 22 00:01:39,391 --> 00:01:43,055 Stevie Wonder has a couple of things, but he is still open. 23 00:01:43,145 --> 00:01:45,056 The Temptations are still open. 24 00:01:45,147 --> 00:01:47,267 They have a few things that I have heard that were cut 25 00:01:47,357 --> 00:01:49,940 that I think will be extremely good. 26 00:01:50,569 --> 00:01:53,982 Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, Gladys Knight and The Pips. 27 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:55,925 Edwin Starr, we're gonna release his thing. 28 00:01:55,949 --> 00:01:58,941 Martha was just sort of cleared up here, we're gonna release her thing. 29 00:01:59,036 --> 00:02:01,949 Jr. Walker has a couple of things... - PAGE TURNS 30 00:02:02,039 --> 00:02:04,155 And then we have this thing on the Isley Brothers. 31 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:06,991 We will not compromise on quality. 32 00:02:07,502 --> 00:02:09,413 I hear many producers talking about, you know, 33 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:11,370 they don't get releases and this and that. 34 00:02:11,465 --> 00:02:12,751 A person can stay here ten years 35 00:02:12,799 --> 00:02:15,153 and if they don't have the proper quality on a major artist, 36 00:02:15,177 --> 00:02:16,946 they will never get a release on a major artist. 37 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:20,088 But the opportunity, as I said before, is here. 38 00:02:21,433 --> 00:02:24,926 OK, ladies and gentlemen, if there are no further comments, 39 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,136 then the meeting is adjourned till next week. 40 00:02:27,689 --> 00:02:31,102 MUSIC: "Get Ready" by The Temptations ♪ One, two, three, four ♪ 41 00:02:33,278 --> 00:02:34,814 BERRY GORDY: In my mind, 42 00:02:34,905 --> 00:02:39,365 the Motown story begins long before we thought it began. 43 00:02:39,785 --> 00:02:44,655 ♪ I never met a girl who makes me feel the way that you do ♪ 44 00:02:44,748 --> 00:02:46,034 ♪ You're alright ♪ 45 00:02:47,376 --> 00:02:50,038 ♪ Whenever I'm asked who makes my dreams real ♪ 46 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:51,786 ♪ I say that you do ♪ 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,245 ♪ You're outta sight ♪ 48 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,928 ♪ So fee fi fo fum Look out, baby, cos here I come ♪ 49 00:03:01,765 --> 00:03:07,852 ♪ And I'm bringing you a love that's true So get ready, so get ready ♪ 50 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:16,565 ♪ I'm gonna try to make love to you So get ready, so get ready, here I come ♪ 51 00:03:16,655 --> 00:03:18,007 BERRY GORDY: I was always the hustler, 52 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:23,367 trying to make money, trying to better myself. 53 00:03:23,578 --> 00:03:27,037 Somehow, I was fascinated by everybody being the same, you know? 54 00:03:27,124 --> 00:03:30,162 White and black, they stubbed their toe, they hurt. 55 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:31,604 There's something funny, they laugh. 56 00:03:31,628 --> 00:03:35,212 I mean, it was, like, to me, just almost a no-brainer. 57 00:03:36,425 --> 00:03:41,090 As a kid, I would sell the Michigan Chronicle, which was a black newspaper. 58 00:03:41,388 --> 00:03:45,347 I said I could make a lot more money if I sell it to white people, too. 59 00:03:46,101 --> 00:03:48,559 JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS 60 00:03:48,812 --> 00:03:50,644 One day, I decided to go downtown, 61 00:03:50,731 --> 00:03:53,473 take my little black papers in the white neighbourhood 62 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:55,683 and I sold more papers than I'd ever sold before. 63 00:03:55,777 --> 00:03:57,338 And I took my brother down the next week. 64 00:03:57,362 --> 00:03:59,524 I said, "We're gonna get rich, baby." 65 00:03:59,614 --> 00:04:02,402 We went down to the white neighbourhood and we sold nothing. 66 00:04:02,492 --> 00:04:03,857 You know, it was my first lesson. 67 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:07,653 One black kid is cute, two were a threat to the neighbourhood. 68 00:04:07,748 --> 00:04:08,748 HE LAUGHS 69 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:12,825 REPORTER: You are about to witness 70 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:17,334 the very exciting story of a city and its people. 71 00:04:18,967 --> 00:04:24,007 Detroit today stands at the threshold of a bright new future. 72 00:04:24,347 --> 00:04:27,339 One rich with the promise of fulfiiment. 73 00:04:27,976 --> 00:04:30,468 In this bustling city on the straits, 74 00:04:30,604 --> 00:04:35,064 there is a resurgence of civic pride and unfettered imagination. 75 00:04:35,817 --> 00:04:38,024 The City On The Straits welcomes you 76 00:04:38,111 --> 00:04:41,820 to share that vision as it continues to plan, 77 00:04:41,907 --> 00:04:45,241 to build, and, yes, to dream. 78 00:04:46,161 --> 00:04:49,574 BERRY GORDY: My starting in the music business was an evolution. 79 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:51,621 Of course, this was over a period of years. 80 00:04:51,708 --> 00:04:55,542 I was the shoeshine boy, a boxer, I was writing songs. 81 00:04:55,629 --> 00:04:57,336 But if I had just right away made money, 82 00:04:57,589 --> 00:05:01,753 I don't know what might have happened to me, but I kept getting knocked down. 83 00:05:01,968 --> 00:05:05,757 I knew I wanted to be in music, so I had this record store. 84 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:08,134 I didn't realise the customer was always right. 85 00:05:08,183 --> 00:05:09,218 They'd come in and say, 86 00:05:09,392 --> 00:05:11,975 "You got something by Muddy Waters or BB King?" 87 00:05:12,103 --> 00:05:14,014 And I was trying to sell them jazz. 88 00:05:14,105 --> 00:05:16,825 I would say, "Look, if you want Muddy Waters, go down to Hay Street." 89 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:19,642 They sell Muddy Waters. I ain't got it and I ain't gonna have it." 90 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:25,440 It's only 12 bars, 12 bar blues, they all say the same thing. 91 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:28,029 "I love my baby, but my baby don't love me." 92 00:05:28,411 --> 00:05:31,403 ll mean, how many times can you say that in how many different ways? 93 00:05:31,957 --> 00:05:35,370 But the people in Detroit who worked at the factories, 94 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:40,375 they wanted the blues, and so I realised it was that simplicity in the music 95 00:05:40,465 --> 00:05:44,754 that people understood and people felt good about. 96 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:46,381 So, I did get the blues, 97 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:49,930 but it was too late for the change on business because I was bankrupt. 98 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:53,008 So I had to get a real job, 99 00:05:53,103 --> 00:05:56,687 and that's why I went to the Ford Motor Company, Lincoln Mercury Plant 100 00:05:57,649 --> 00:05:59,265 and when I was on the assembly line, 101 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:03,102 I started perfecting my skills of writing songs. 102 00:06:04,114 --> 00:06:07,778 MACHINERY WHIRS 103 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,361 INTRO TO "YOU KEEP ME HANGING' ON" PLAYS 104 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:14,746 BERRY GORDY: The factory had this assembly line... 105 00:06:14,833 --> 00:06:17,416 INTRO TO "YOU KEEP ME HANGING' ON" PLAYS - MACHINERY WHIRS 106 00:06:18,253 --> 00:06:25,501 And I would see the cars start out a bare metal frame and go around in a circle 107 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:29,344 and different stations would put things on there 108 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:32,802 and they would go out another door a brand new car. 109 00:06:34,019 --> 00:06:36,260 I said, "My goodness, I can do that through people." 110 00:06:36,688 --> 00:06:39,646 Of course, everybody laughed at me and said, "No, that's ridiculous." 111 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,475 You can't take human beings and treat them like cars. "" 112 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:43,629 I said "No, I'm not gonna do that." 113 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:46,611 Everybody's gonna have their own personality, but I got this idea. 114 00:06:46,907 --> 00:06:49,023 One station here, producers over here, 115 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:52,450 arrangers over here, dance instructors over here. 116 00:06:52,621 --> 00:06:56,114 "They go from room to room and come off a brand new star." 117 00:06:57,042 --> 00:06:59,283 And eventually, when I felt that it was right 118 00:06:59,794 --> 00:07:03,662 and my sisters promised me they could get my songs to Jackie Wilson, 119 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:07,716 I quit my job and I was ready. 120 00:07:10,472 --> 00:07:12,463 The factory played such an important part 121 00:07:12,557 --> 00:07:19,304 because I saw the machine and how it could work with the assembly line process 122 00:07:19,397 --> 00:07:22,230 that I based my company on. 123 00:07:24,736 --> 00:07:27,979 SLOW JAZZ PLAYS 124 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:51,335 BERRY GORDY: There are so many unsung heroes 125 00:07:51,513 --> 00:07:56,804 and people that were just part of the team, part of the effort 126 00:07:57,018 --> 00:08:00,227 but there was no bond greater than Smokey 127 00:08:00,605 --> 00:08:02,437 who is still my best friend today. 128 00:08:03,108 --> 00:08:04,769 If I were doing this, I'd call this... 129 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:08,649 just forget everything else and say Berry and Smoke. 130 00:08:09,447 --> 00:08:11,188 You know, just Berry and Smoke. 131 00:08:11,449 --> 00:08:13,065 SMOKEY ROBINSON: I always loved singing 132 00:08:13,159 --> 00:08:16,902 and singing seemed like my impossible dream, 133 00:08:17,122 --> 00:08:22,788 because of where I was growing up. I didn't think that would be available to me. 134 00:08:24,587 --> 00:08:26,203 Coming back to Detroit, you know, 135 00:08:26,256 --> 00:08:29,465 getting these thoughts and memories and reflections 136 00:08:29,551 --> 00:08:31,258 is just incredible, you know? 137 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,072 SMOKEY ROBINSON: And you know something else I think about, man? 138 00:08:33,096 --> 00:08:36,259 I used to be riding with you when they first got the record players in the car. 139 00:08:36,307 --> 00:08:37,172 Yeah, yeah. 140 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:39,842 And you'd be driving and you'd be ducking your head under it. 141 00:08:39,936 --> 00:08:42,678 "Where's that new Supremes record, man?" - BERRY LAUGHS 142 00:08:42,814 --> 00:08:46,057 "Wait a minute. I will find the record, man. You just drive!" 143 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:52,688 Smokey Robinson was a member of a group 144 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:56,112 that was auditioning for Jackie Wilson's manager. 145 00:08:57,078 --> 00:09:00,946 So, we sang for them and they rejected us. 146 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:03,824 And I walked out in the hallway with them and I said, 147 00:09:03,918 --> 00:09:06,034 "Oh, you guys were really good." 148 00:09:06,212 --> 00:09:08,249 I said "Oh, thank you very much, man," you know? 149 00:09:08,339 --> 00:09:11,001 And he said, "Yeah," he said, “I'm Berry Gordy." 150 00:09:12,135 --> 00:09:13,135 What? 151 00:09:13,219 --> 00:09:15,711 "The Berry Gordy who wrote Reet Petite?" 152 00:09:15,847 --> 00:09:18,305 MUSIC: "Reet Petite" by Jackie Wilson ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 153 00:09:18,516 --> 00:09:20,177 ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 154 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:25,513 ♪ Reet petite, the finest girl you ever want to meet ♪ 155 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,400 "You're Berry Gordy?" 156 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:31,815 I said, "Yeah. The only one I know," you know? 157 00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:33,983 And then he made a mistake, because he said, 158 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:35,818 "You got any more songs, man?" 159 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:39,402 And I had a loose-leaf notebook with about 100 songs in it. 160 00:09:39,496 --> 00:09:41,783 And he said, "A song has got to be like a short story" 161 00:09:41,873 --> 00:09:44,911 with the beginning and the middle and the ending tying together." 162 00:09:45,168 --> 00:09:47,125 He said, "You rhyme stuff really well," 163 00:09:47,170 --> 00:09:49,411 he said, "but your songs are just rambling, you know?" 164 00:09:49,506 --> 00:09:52,294 Which they were. And so he started to mentor me. 165 00:09:53,426 --> 00:09:58,421 ♪ Walked all day till my feet were tired ♪ 166 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,474 The first record that we ever recorded was a song called "Got A Job" 167 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:05,685 and Berry would produce records on us and put 'em with other record companies 168 00:10:05,772 --> 00:10:07,354 cos Berry hadn't started Motown yet. 169 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:10,808 "Got A Job" was in the top five of the R&B charts 170 00:10:10,902 --> 00:10:12,563 so we know that he sold some records. 171 00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:15,563 ♪ 1 got a job ♪ - When it came time to pay the royalties, 172 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:18,441 this guy sent Berry a check for $3.19 cents. 173 00:10:18,827 --> 00:10:21,159 Back in those days, man, they paid you if they wanted to. 174 00:10:21,204 --> 00:10:23,516 If they didn't, they didn't pay you. Especially if you were black. 175 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:26,749 BERRY GORDY: So, Smoky said, "If this is the kind of money you're gonna get", 176 00:10:27,085 --> 00:10:29,201 you might as well be in business for yourself." 177 00:10:29,796 --> 00:10:32,709 So, shortly after that, he started Motown, and, um... 178 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,132 the rest is history, man. HE LAUGHS 179 00:10:36,386 --> 00:10:39,094 PIANO PLAYS 180 00:10:49,607 --> 00:10:52,144 ♪ Ooooh ♪ 181 00:10:53,403 --> 00:10:55,269 BERRY GORDY: Every family needs a home, 182 00:10:55,363 --> 00:10:59,027 and it was my then assistant and future wife Raynoma 183 00:10:59,450 --> 00:11:04,445 who found the two-storey house at 2648 West Grand Boulevard. 184 00:11:05,707 --> 00:11:07,869 And the fact that it was in the neighbourhood, 185 00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:10,667 it was on West Grand Boulevard at 12th Street. 186 00:11:10,753 --> 00:11:12,960 You don't get more hood than that. 187 00:11:13,923 --> 00:11:16,381 BERRY GORDY: At Hitsville, everything was in-house. 188 00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:19,877 The offices, the studio, the sales department. 189 00:11:20,096 --> 00:11:21,678 I even lived upstairs. 190 00:11:22,932 --> 00:11:25,390 And it goes back to my great grandparents, 191 00:11:25,476 --> 00:11:28,138 Berry Gordy Sr and Bertha Ida Gordy. 192 00:11:28,396 --> 00:11:33,141 They raised their children in an entrepreneurial environment. 193 00:11:33,276 --> 00:11:35,017 BERRY GORDY: Well, the family grocery store 194 00:11:35,069 --> 00:11:40,155 was named after Booker T. Washington, who was a big advocate of self-sufficiency. 195 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:44,785 Growing up, I knew that was a very important principle for our family. 196 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:50,457 My grandmother put together this family savings club called The Burberry Co-op 197 00:11:50,543 --> 00:11:54,707 and, essentially, it's their own loaning institution within the family. 198 00:11:54,923 --> 00:11:56,775 BERRY GORDY: She was tough with money. - ROBIN TERRY: Yes. 199 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:59,166 I mean, I begged for $1,000. 200 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:03,128 She only OK'd $800. How tough is that? 201 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:06,806 That was the beginning of what we know as Motown today. 202 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:08,182 That was his first investment. 203 00:12:10,939 --> 00:12:13,271 BERRY GORDY: Yeah, this was the magic room. 204 00:12:16,236 --> 00:12:18,819 SMOKEY ROBINSON: We started off with one track. 205 00:12:19,656 --> 00:12:21,656 Everything was on one track, then we got two tracks 206 00:12:21,699 --> 00:12:23,469 we thought we were the most innovative people in the world. 207 00:12:23,493 --> 00:12:26,076 We could put our lead singer in there, have them separate. 208 00:12:26,454 --> 00:12:30,038 Always looking for magic, always looking for that magical sound, you know? 209 00:12:30,458 --> 00:12:33,325 Or to be with him doing the mix. You know, he'd mix it. 210 00:12:33,419 --> 00:12:39,165 He'd do, like, 327 mixes on one tune... 211 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:41,291 and use number two. 212 00:12:41,678 --> 00:12:44,090 THEY LAUGH - He was notorious for that. 213 00:12:44,138 --> 00:12:45,824 "Oh, Berry's gonna mix it." "No, no, please! 214 00:12:45,848 --> 00:12:48,340 Please, don't let Berry mix the tune." 215 00:12:48,726 --> 00:12:51,286 Sometimes you have it perfect and you want to just get it better. 216 00:12:51,354 --> 00:12:52,394 You want to get it better. 217 00:13:23,803 --> 00:13:25,603 SMOKEY ROBINSON: They said we want the Motown. 218 00:13:27,265 --> 00:13:31,099 No-one can duplicate our sound, because even though I didn't think it was that good 219 00:13:31,185 --> 00:13:32,926 you know, he thought it was great. 220 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:34,456 SMOKEY: There was arguments about that, man. 221 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,017 Like, man, are you kidding? New York is trying to get our sound. 222 00:13:37,108 --> 00:13:39,099 They're sending people here to record in Detroit 223 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:40,734 thinking they're gonna get our sound. 224 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:43,048 But they couldn't get our sound, because our echo chamber 225 00:13:43,072 --> 00:13:44,779 was the bathroom upstairs. 226 00:13:46,242 --> 00:13:49,906 BERRY GORDY: People would come off the road and come to the studio 227 00:13:49,996 --> 00:13:52,237 because something was always going on. 228 00:13:52,415 --> 00:13:56,534 You know, 24 hours a day, somebody would be in that studio, recording. 229 00:13:56,794 --> 00:13:59,081 Doing something. HE LAUGHS 230 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:00,412 SMOKEY ROBINSON: This is it. 231 00:14:01,132 --> 00:14:04,341 SMOKEY: I remember "Shop Around," which was the first million-seller for Motown. 232 00:14:04,469 --> 00:14:06,710 Took 20 minutes to write. It just flowed out. 233 00:14:06,763 --> 00:14:09,130 So I ran to Berry's office, I said, "I've got it, Berry." 234 00:14:09,474 --> 00:14:12,034 He said, "Let me hear it, man." So, we go down to the piano room. 235 00:14:12,894 --> 00:14:16,637 SMOKEY SINGS: ♪ Just because you've become a young man now ♪ 236 00:14:21,486 --> 00:14:25,525 ♪ There's still some things that you don't understand now ♪ 237 00:14:28,993 --> 00:14:30,324 So that's how it was, you know? 238 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:31,860 We put the record out. 239 00:14:32,246 --> 00:14:34,954 The record's been out for about two and a half weeks. 240 00:14:35,583 --> 00:14:38,325 It's doing fair, it's doing OK, it's doing pretty good, you know? 241 00:14:38,753 --> 00:14:41,791 Three o'clock in the morning, one morning, my phone rings. 242 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:44,088 PHONE RINGS 243 00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:46,343 "Hello." 244 00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:48,127 "Smoke?" I said, "Yeah?" 245 00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:51,341 He said, "It's me, Berry, man." I said, "I know, man. I recognised your voice." 246 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:52,511 He said, "What's happening?" 247 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:54,703 I said, "What do you think is happening, man?" I say... 248 00:14:54,727 --> 00:14:56,764 "I'm asleep. What's happening with you?" 249 00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:58,853 "Shop Around won't let me sleep, man." 250 00:14:59,190 --> 00:15:01,168 See, well, I just didn't feel right about the record, man. 251 00:15:01,192 --> 00:15:02,273 We didn't have the magic. 252 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,171 He said, "Well, I'm gonna change everything about it." 253 00:15:04,195 --> 00:15:06,315 I'm gonna change the beat, I'm gonna change the sound. 254 00:15:06,364 --> 00:15:08,776 "I'm gonna change the feeling. I'm changing everything." 255 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:10,607 And I said, "OK man, that's cool." 256 00:15:10,701 --> 00:15:14,114 I said, "I'll see you tomorrow." He said, "No, no, no. I mean right now." 257 00:15:14,205 --> 00:15:15,821 THEY LAUGH Three o'clock in the morning. 258 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:18,435 So, we came over here and everybody showed up, like I told you 259 00:15:18,459 --> 00:15:21,622 . 260 00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:24,496 And "Shop Around" then went to number one. 261 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:28,458 The first million seller was his redo of it, after the record had been out. 262 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:31,298 SMOKEY: Now I want you to get ready. - CROWD CHEERS 263 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:34,222 DRUMS PLAY 264 00:15:36,727 --> 00:15:39,310 ♪ Just because you've become a young man now ♪ 265 00:15:39,856 --> 00:15:42,689 ♪ There's still some things that you don't understand now ♪ 266 00:15:43,025 --> 00:15:45,983 ♪ Before you ask some girl for her hand now ♪ 267 00:15:46,237 --> 00:15:49,104 ♪ Keep your freedom for as long as you can now ♪ 268 00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:53,157 ♪ My mama told me, you'd better shop around ♪ 269 00:15:53,202 --> 00:15:55,910 ♪ Oh yeah, you'd better shop around ♪ 270 00:15:55,997 --> 00:15:57,683 But that's how we did stuff, we didn't care, he didn't care 271 00:15:57,707 --> 00:16:00,244 cos it had been out for two weeks. So what? It's not too late. 272 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:03,439 No, the masses of people haven't heard it cos it's not really a hit right now 273 00:16:03,463 --> 00:16:04,463 you know what I mean? 274 00:16:04,881 --> 00:16:07,498 ♪ Before you take a girl and say I do, now ♪ 275 00:16:07,842 --> 00:16:11,005 ♪ Make sure she's in love with-a you now ♪ 276 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:14,212 ♪ My mama told me, tell 'em, you'd better shop around ♪ 277 00:16:21,397 --> 00:16:22,432 ♪ Feel alright ♪ 278 00:16:23,107 --> 00:16:24,107 ♪ Woo! ♪ 279 00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:27,652 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 280 00:16:28,029 --> 00:16:30,612 Motown was able to accomplish everything that they accomplished 281 00:16:30,656 --> 00:16:32,067 because they were self-sufficient. 282 00:16:32,366 --> 00:16:35,654 When you can just do what you want without somebody breathing over your neck 283 00:16:35,745 --> 00:16:37,505 telling you what you should or shouldn't do, 284 00:16:37,747 --> 00:16:39,704 that's when the real magic starts to happen. 285 00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:42,206 SOUL MUSIC PLAYS 286 00:16:45,046 --> 00:16:47,287 BERRY GORDY: To be successful in the music business, 287 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:48,671 you've got to have hit records. 288 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:50,879 I'm a producer, I'm a writer, I'm a this, I'm a that, 289 00:16:51,052 --> 00:16:54,090 but really, I feel myself as a teacher 290 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:57,465 and so I had to find songwriters to teach. 291 00:16:58,142 --> 00:17:00,804 Smokey was my first project. 292 00:17:00,895 --> 00:17:02,806 Before that, I was on the top of the totem pole. 293 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:06,439 I was, like, "the man" because I wrote the songs, I produced 'em, 294 00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:09,434 but then, Smokey, one day he came into my office 295 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:11,941 and he wanted me to hear a new song. 296 00:17:12,323 --> 00:17:18,365 I thought it was just one of the greatest new clever songs I'd ever known. 297 00:17:18,788 --> 00:17:24,534 And this was the day I knew that I had a little genius on my hands, you know? 298 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:28,457 HE SINGS ALONG: ♪ / would build you a castle with a tower so high ♪ 299 00:17:30,466 --> 00:17:32,082 ♪ It reaches the moon ♪ 300 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,469 MUSIC: "I'll Try Something New" by The Miracles 301 00:17:43,312 --> 00:17:45,770 "Give you lovin' warm as Mama's oven. 302 00:17:45,856 --> 00:17:48,018 And if that don't do, I'll try something new." 303 00:17:48,442 --> 00:17:50,103 And I was just blown away. 304 00:17:55,199 --> 00:17:58,032 I had this wonderful feeling, but also this scary feeling 305 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,235 that I was... my throne is... - SMOKEY LAUGHS 306 00:18:00,621 --> 00:18:05,366 Here's a guy that's writing a song that I could not ever think of 307 00:18:05,543 --> 00:18:07,409 and I was a songwriter, I was the teacher. 308 00:18:07,795 --> 00:18:11,254 And from that day forward, I started slipping from my post 309 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:13,877 because he started coming up with major hits. 310 00:18:24,061 --> 00:18:28,055 I always thought maybe I could, one day in my life 311 00:18:28,149 --> 00:18:29,560 compete with him with girls, 312 00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:31,399 - Oh, please! - You know? 313 00:18:31,444 --> 00:18:32,775 But that was out of the question. 314 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:35,361 You're hearing this story from Casanova himself. 315 00:18:35,406 --> 00:18:38,615 No, no. "You're hearing this story from Casanova himself," 316 00:18:38,701 --> 00:18:40,738 - you know? I mean... - Exactly! 317 00:18:40,828 --> 00:18:42,444 THEY LAUGH 318 00:18:42,747 --> 00:18:45,865 You know, Bob Dylan's called him America's greatest poet 319 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,866 and he really did write poetry. 320 00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:50,709 He was so honest, so straightforward. 321 00:18:50,796 --> 00:18:52,636 I mean, the lyrics don't take a lot to decipher 322 00:18:52,715 --> 00:18:55,035 but then you realise it took a lot of genius to write them. 323 00:18:55,343 --> 00:18:59,337 At the time, Smokey was doing his thing, singing to the women. 324 00:18:59,722 --> 00:19:04,467 He created so many babies with his romance and his feeling of that 325 00:19:05,019 --> 00:19:06,019 and... 326 00:19:06,604 --> 00:19:09,642 a lot of them were his. - THEY LAUGH 327 00:19:12,735 --> 00:19:18,151 My key writing team was Smokey Robinson and Holland-Dozier-Holland. 328 00:19:18,366 --> 00:19:21,199 EDDIE HOLLAND: We were not trained musicians, you know? 329 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:24,994 Brian would skip school to come there to learn to write songs. 330 00:19:25,247 --> 00:19:28,615 I had no idea about writing. 331 00:19:28,918 --> 00:19:32,377 I knew that Smokey, in my opinion, was the greatest writer ever. 332 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:33,832 OK? And I still do. 333 00:19:34,131 --> 00:19:37,044 So, I took two songs of Smokey's 334 00:19:37,134 --> 00:19:39,626 and I wrote all the lyrics down and I studied them. 335 00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:41,031 LAMONT DOZIER: Eddie had this idea. 336 00:19:41,055 --> 00:19:43,922 He said, "Look, man, you and Brian can do the tracks and melodies" 337 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:46,883 and come up with the ideas and I'll be sitting there waiting. 338 00:19:46,977 --> 00:19:49,469 "You know, shoot 'em to me and I'll jump on the lyrics." 339 00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:51,888 And that became Holland-Dozier-Holland, you know, 340 00:19:51,982 --> 00:19:53,939 it became a factory within a factory. 341 00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:56,588 JAMIE FOXX: There was somebody in every corner writing a song 342 00:19:56,612 --> 00:20:00,321 and they were young, and these guys were coming up 17, 18, 19. 343 00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:02,490 They were young, so Berry was like a coach, you know? 344 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:04,526 With a great, young, talented team 345 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:06,540 and everybody was trying to play their best game. 346 00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:08,308 NORMAN WHITFIELD: Berry was very patient with me. 347 00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:10,243 At the time, I think I was a secretary 348 00:20:10,459 --> 00:20:15,249 and that was in order to justify the $30 a week I was getting. 349 00:20:15,673 --> 00:20:18,256 Norman hung around here for years 350 00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:21,191 before he even got a chance to get in the studio to do any records. 351 00:20:21,429 --> 00:20:24,512 BERRY GORDY: Playing tambourine, that's how he started, from the bottom. 352 00:20:24,598 --> 00:20:28,387 And then, finally, he was doing that good and he got his confidence 353 00:20:28,644 --> 00:20:31,181 and when he started producing, man, he was... 354 00:20:31,313 --> 00:20:32,313 - Incredible. - Awesome. 355 00:20:32,356 --> 00:20:35,098 He had electricity, magic. 356 00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:37,479 And then we brought in Nick and Val. 357 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:40,688 They were writer and producer team out of New York. 358 00:20:40,781 --> 00:20:42,759 VALERIE SIMPSON: When we landed, we were, like, so excited. 359 00:20:42,783 --> 00:20:46,367 Motown, we've arrived. As songwriters, this is a dream come true. 360 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:48,661 And we got in a taxi. We said "Well, take us to Motown" 361 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:52,373 and we got down to the two little buildings on West Grand Boulevard. 362 00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:55,140 NICK ASHFORD: I said, "Hey, look, we want to go to the main office." 363 00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:59,001 He said, "This is the only Motown I know.” - That little "Hitsville U.S.A." 364 00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:02,884 But the hits were coming out of that little building. 365 00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:07,889 Norman Whitfield, Holland-Dozier-Holland, Smokey, they were all the greatest. 366 00:21:08,184 --> 00:21:11,104 They were coming up with songs that you say... why didn't I think of that? 367 00:21:11,312 --> 00:21:14,020 Because of that Motown structure 368 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:19,852 and because of the feelings of all the producers and the writers 369 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:22,983 and the freedom that Berry Gordy gave all of us, 370 00:21:23,073 --> 00:21:25,405 it made that company extremely prolific. 371 00:21:25,826 --> 00:21:29,740 MUSIC: "You Keep Me Hangin' On" by The Supremes 372 00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:31,116 BERRY GORDY: Being a teacher 373 00:21:31,207 --> 00:21:35,075 also means finding ways to unlock people's true potential 374 00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:37,960 and at Motown, we took that very seriously. 375 00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:40,914 STEVIE WONDER: Berry Gordy's great ability was 376 00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:44,592 to be able to sense the talent that one had. 377 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:51,091 I always felt that Marvin Gaye was so much more talented than even he realised. 378 00:21:51,352 --> 00:21:54,470 Marvin wanted to be another Frank Sinatra 379 00:21:54,772 --> 00:21:59,482 but that really wasn't his style, but he is so good looking. 380 00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:00,896 SHE LAUGHS 381 00:22:00,945 --> 00:22:03,778 It's a little difficult trying to sing behind him 382 00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:05,730 and look at him at the same time. 383 00:22:06,075 --> 00:22:08,737 BERRY GORDY: He wanted to change his career many times, you know? 384 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:11,240 One time he wanted to be a football player. - WHISTLE BLOWS 385 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,116 A boxer, you know. - BOXING BELL RINGS 386 00:22:13,207 --> 00:22:15,118 He wanted to be an astronaut... - COMMS CHATTER 387 00:22:15,209 --> 00:22:17,997 You know, and I'm saying, "Marvin, you know, you're a singer." 388 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:21,087 MARVIN GAYE: You know, I started at Motown as a jazz singer. 389 00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:23,088 I couldn't sell a bean. 390 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:26,293 I was sitting at the piano all night in a very depressed mood. 391 00:22:26,387 --> 00:22:28,173 So anyway, Berry blase-d in. 392 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,492 So, he stopped me, he said, "Listen, what are you doing? 393 00:22:30,516 --> 00:22:32,911 What are you singing there?" So, I said "It's a song I'm writing." 394 00:22:32,935 --> 00:22:34,767 It was a jazz version, I would say. 395 00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:38,472 HE SINGS 396 00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:43,643 You know, very jazzy, you know. 397 00:22:43,946 --> 00:22:45,882 He said, "Yeah, but that's not gonna sell any records." 398 00:22:45,906 --> 00:22:49,240 I said, "Oh, well, you know, I thought I'd give it the old try." 399 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:54,659 Berry could sense what needed to happen to make it pop. 400 00:22:55,332 --> 00:22:57,790 And I'm not saying pop meaning pop music 401 00:22:57,877 --> 00:23:00,164 but I'm saying to make it have that thing. 402 00:23:00,212 --> 00:23:01,652 MARVIN GAYE: So anyway, Berry said... 403 00:23:05,175 --> 00:23:07,712 I said "Oh, man, that's killing my jazz, man." 404 00:23:07,761 --> 00:23:08,967 So then, he sings... 405 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:11,575 So ll said, "Oh, well, for Heaven's sakes." 406 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,681 He said, "Now, right here a group can say..." 407 00:23:15,436 --> 00:23:16,767 CROWD CHEERS 408 00:23:16,854 --> 00:23:19,516 He finished it up and I said, "Listen, it'll never sell a thing." 409 00:23:19,607 --> 00:23:22,269 And as it turned out, it was a great big smash. 410 00:23:22,443 --> 00:23:24,730 MUSIC: "Stubborn Kind Of Fellow" by Marvin Gaye 411 00:23:24,778 --> 00:23:28,237 ♪ Qooohhhhh, hey, hey ♪ 412 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:35,822 ♪ 1 try to put my arms around you All because I want to hold you tight ♪ 413 00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:37,246 ♪ Hold you tight ♪ 414 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:41,834 ♪ Every time I reach for you, baby Try to kiss you, you jump ♪ 415 00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:44,333 ♪ Ooh! ♪ ♪ Out of sight (Out of sight) ♪ 416 00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:51,545 ♪ Hey now, I've got news for you Don't you know I've made plans for two ♪ 417 00:23:51,889 --> 00:23:57,384 ♪ 1 guess I'm a stubborn kind of fellow Got my mind made up to love you ♪ 418 00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:00,095 ♪ Oooh ♪ 419 00:24:00,356 --> 00:24:03,144 ♪ Baby, say yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 420 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,895 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 421 00:24:06,028 --> 00:24:08,486 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 422 00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:09,925 VALERIE SIMPSON: Berry made us great. 423 00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:13,442 I can't think of no other record company where the head could sit down 424 00:24:13,577 --> 00:24:16,035 and write a song as well as he could. 425 00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:18,487 HE SINGS: ♪ Mmm, mm mm mm ♪ 426 00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:20,698 ♪ Say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 427 00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:23,160 ♪ Say yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 428 00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:26,587 HE GRUNTS THE TUNE Y'know? 429 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,918 SOUL MUSIC PLAYS 430 00:24:32,179 --> 00:24:34,341 So, I came to Berry to be an artist, you know? 431 00:24:34,473 --> 00:24:37,261 I was saying to myself, I'm gonna be the next Jackie Wilson. 432 00:24:37,351 --> 00:24:39,718 So, Berry said, "I heard you write songs and everything. 433 00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:43,471 So I'm singing my songs and he said, "Your songs are great", 434 00:24:43,524 --> 00:24:44,810 but your voice is for shit." 435 00:24:45,234 --> 00:24:50,195 I said "What?" Man, I grabbed all my music up off the floor, put it in my briefcase. 436 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,112 I'm walking out of here. I'm done with this. 437 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:56,576 BERRY GORDY: He was so fast talking. Slick, you know, from the street. 438 00:24:56,704 --> 00:24:59,036 And so, I said, "Well, Mickey, what else can you do?" 439 00:24:59,123 --> 00:25:00,123 Can you do ARR?" 440 00:25:00,249 --> 00:25:01,518 MICKEY: You know, artist and repertoire. 441 00:25:01,542 --> 00:25:03,353 You handle the artists and the music and all that. 442 00:25:03,377 --> 00:25:05,209 And he says, "Whatever it is, I can do it." 443 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:07,837 If it's anything to do with music, man, I'm all over it, man." 444 00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:10,276 MICKEY STEVENSON: I say, "I record anybody I wanna record?" 445 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:11,540 "Anybody you wanna record." 446 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,469 I said, "Can I record myself?" HE LAUGHS 447 00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:17,634 Berry told Mickey he wanted a house band. 448 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,266 BERRY GORDY: What we're missing is a band who can play funky. 449 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:23,039 And he said, "I've got a session coming up." I said, "Don't worry about it." 450 00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:28,274 "know guys that are so funky they out-funk themselves." 451 00:25:28,986 --> 00:25:31,694 MICKEY STEVENSON: And the best musicians were the jazz musicians 452 00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:34,739 and the brothers in Detroit, they weren't making any money 453 00:25:34,825 --> 00:25:36,970 cos they weren't getting the respect for what they were doing 454 00:25:36,994 --> 00:25:38,280 but they were still great. 455 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:43,410 BERRY GORDY: It's hard to define just how important Detroit was to Motown. 456 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,083 SUZANNE DE PASSE: The whole migration from the South 457 00:25:46,170 --> 00:25:50,755 and the automotive industry and the churches and the clubs that sprang up 458 00:25:50,841 --> 00:25:54,755 would be a vessel to discover talent. 459 00:25:54,887 --> 00:25:57,879 I mean, between the church and the clubs and the corner, 460 00:25:58,515 --> 00:25:59,880 there was a lot going on. 461 00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:03,393 The groups that we had and we grew up with in Detroit as teenagers, 462 00:26:03,729 --> 00:26:07,472 if you could not do harmony on key, 463 00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:12,026 you were lousy and they would tell you, "Get the hell out of here." 464 00:26:12,112 --> 00:26:13,227 "And get off the corner." 465 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:16,147 BOYS SING 466 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:19,866 BERRY GORDY: They were so smart. 467 00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:22,223 He said something about "my mama", that was called the Dozens. 468 00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:25,911 And I said, "Wait a minute. I don't want you talking about my mama. I don't play that." 469 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:29,289 "Oh, you don't play that? Well, then pat your foot while I play it." 470 00:26:29,379 --> 00:26:32,462 You know, then he would do the hambone on me. 471 00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:34,944 You don't do the hambone, man? I didn't think you could hambone. 472 00:26:34,968 --> 00:26:36,003 I hambone, I... 473 00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:37,881 SMOKEY LAUGHS 474 00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,675 Boy, that used to be the thing, the hambone. I'm telling you. 475 00:26:40,724 --> 00:26:44,137 Yeah, and I'd do that and then I would make up a song, yeah. 476 00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:46,848 "Me and your momma." THEY LAUGH 477 00:26:47,272 --> 00:26:49,730 ROBIN TERRY: So, music existed in the community 478 00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:52,809 but it took a place like Hitsville 479 00:26:52,903 --> 00:26:57,488 to sort of give those people a place to come to collaborate. 480 00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:58,802 MICKEY STEVENSON: So, I would pick 'em. 481 00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:01,488 I finally put together a great unit of guys. 482 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,829 And they became the Funk Brothers and they became our house band. 483 00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:08,787 We hired the jazz musicians cos they were smarter than normal musicians. 484 00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:10,037 They could do all this stuff. 485 00:27:10,212 --> 00:27:14,957 But Jamerson, who was always doing up beats and down beats and jazzy things, 486 00:27:15,092 --> 00:27:16,423 he would get off the beat. 487 00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:18,342 I'd look around, I'd be walking over to him, 488 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:24,762 and he'd be up and then he'd catch himself and he'd do a whole arpeggio and stuff. 489 00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:29,471 Da da da da da da da da! Doom, doom, doom, doom-doom. 490 00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:32,808 You know, and he was right on the... and I would get him and I'd get there 491 00:27:32,901 --> 00:27:35,182 and he was sounding so good, I said, "That's pretty good." 492 00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:36,727 Can you do that riff again?" 493 00:27:36,947 --> 00:27:40,235 STEVIE WONDER: When I think of Benny Benjamin and James Jamerson, 494 00:27:40,284 --> 00:27:44,323 and Robert White and Earl Van Dyke, Thomasina and on and on and on, 495 00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:49,158 you've got to know that I was picking up from all those various musicians, 496 00:27:49,459 --> 00:27:51,041 trying to figure out how to do it. 497 00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:56,251 Paul Riser, when he came to do an arrangement, he was only 18 years old. 498 00:27:56,383 --> 00:28:00,377 One of the greatest arrangers ever. Just out of high school. 499 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:04,714 PAUL RISER: I was classically trained, and enjoyed nothing but classical. 500 00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:07,766 I thought that R&B music was just the worst, OK? 501 00:28:07,936 --> 00:28:11,474 You also have, in Detroit, a big investment in public education. 502 00:28:11,607 --> 00:28:15,601 They had an incredible public music programme in these high schools, 503 00:28:15,903 --> 00:28:18,190 and Motown artists came from these communities. 504 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:19,941 Back when I was in school, 505 00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:26,074 Ford Motor Company would give the class tickets to go see the Detroit Symphony. 506 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:30,870 I saw them playing violins, French horns and oboes and bassoons... 507 00:28:31,251 --> 00:28:34,460 SYMPHONY PLAYS 508 00:28:34,963 --> 00:28:38,376 I thought that was the greatest sound ever, you know what I mean? 509 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:40,503 So that's what got me going. 510 00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:46,631 Was something about what was in that soil in Detroit, you know, 511 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:49,308 that just sort of... folks came up. 512 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:54,059 JOHN LEGEND: I've been in some, you know, really cool company in the studio, 513 00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:58,484 but having that group of creative people in the same room, it's just incredible. 514 00:28:58,779 --> 00:29:01,090 And they were actually playing real instruments back then too, 515 00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:04,357 like, they actually could play the piano and play the drums 516 00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:06,943 and no machines needed. HE LAUGHS 517 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,828 R&B MUSIC PLAYS 518 00:29:12,209 --> 00:29:15,952 I didn't know much about Hitsville U.S.A. because I lived on the east side. 519 00:29:16,171 --> 00:29:20,290 Anyway, I dared take that coach and go to 2648 West Grand Boulevard, 520 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:22,757 and what a world I walked into. 521 00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:24,960 MICKEY STEVENSON: She came to audition a few times. 522 00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:30,304 I would find nice ways of saying, "Martha, you know, come back later." 523 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:33,219 And I must have looked like I was gonna cry or something, 524 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,520 cos he said, "Answer this phone. I'll be right back." 525 00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:38,099 This "right back" was four hours. 526 00:29:38,277 --> 00:29:40,922 MICKEY STEVENSON: I walk in my office, and before I could speak, she says, 527 00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:43,424 "You've got an important call from such and such and so and so, 528 00:29:43,448 --> 00:29:46,386 and this one right here, and I think you ought to answer this line right here." 529 00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:50,028 So I said, "Martha, how would you like to work as my secretary?" 530 00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:51,863 She says, "OK." 531 00:29:51,957 --> 00:29:53,893 MARTHA REEVES: It was just everybody working in the same spirit, 532 00:29:53,917 --> 00:29:58,036 everybody with one accord, making hit records, and it was great to be there. 533 00:29:58,380 --> 00:30:01,589 We were recording sometimes tracks without the singer, 534 00:30:01,675 --> 00:30:05,964 and according to the Union, you had to have a singer singing it live. 535 00:30:06,054 --> 00:30:08,091 You couldn't do tracks in those days. 536 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:11,215 And I was doing pretty good in the office, 537 00:30:11,601 --> 00:30:13,683 but when the Union man made a surprise visit... 538 00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:15,268 Everybody went crazy, saying, 539 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:18,848 "Well, you're doing a session in there and the Union guy is coming." 540 00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:20,524 You know, "The Union guy is coming!" 541 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:23,277 We told Mickey, "Man, we've got to put somebody on the mic." 542 00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:25,404 His secretary overheard it. "I'll do it!" 543 00:30:25,699 --> 00:30:28,236 That was the chance she was waiting for all this time. 544 00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:30,694 MUSIC: "Dancing In The Street" by Martha & The Vandellas 545 00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:34,284 Then she grabbed the mic and started singing it, and she was Martha. 546 00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:42,627 ♪ Calling out around the world, are you ready for a brand new beat? ♪ 547 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:49,971 ♪ Summer's here and the time is right for dancing in the street ♪ 548 00:30:50,057 --> 00:30:53,641 ♪ They're dancing in Chicago (In the street) ♪ 549 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,685 What happened was, you have a preacher. 550 00:30:57,272 --> 00:31:01,766 He was standing in front of the pulpit with his arms open wide, saying, 551 00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:06,521 "The door to the church is now open," and everybody came in. 552 00:31:06,615 --> 00:31:11,701 All kind of people doing all kind of things and getting fulfilled with spirit. 553 00:31:12,371 --> 00:31:16,990 ♪ And records playing Dancing in the street ♪ 554 00:31:17,084 --> 00:31:24,457 ♪ Oh, it doesn't matter what you wear Just as long as you are there ♪ 555 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:32,764 ♪ So come on, every guy, grab a girl Everywhere around the world ♪ 556 00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:34,552 ♪ There'll be dancing... ♪ 557 00:31:34,684 --> 00:31:36,391 MARY WILSON: And these were exciting times 558 00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:39,303 because it's the first time you're hearing, you know, rock and roll 559 00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,896 in our city and people that we knew. 560 00:31:42,818 --> 00:31:44,650 ♪ Across the nation ♪ 561 00:31:45,195 --> 00:31:47,027 MARTHA REEVES: I witnessed Stevie Wonder 562 00:31:47,989 --> 00:31:49,104 coming to Hitsville. 563 00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,907 STEVIE WONDER: I was, what, 11 years old when I went to Motown. 564 00:31:51,952 --> 00:31:55,741 That particular day, Smokey was at Motown, and he said, you know, 565 00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:58,351 "I heard you can sing." I said, "Yeah, I can sing even better than you." 566 00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:00,582 I was like, you know, a little smart-mouthed kid. 567 00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:03,286 Everything Stevie played looked genius. 568 00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:05,191 MARY WILSON: But we didn't know what a genius was, right? 569 00:32:05,215 --> 00:32:07,582 STEVIE WONDER: For me, it was like going into a candy shop. 570 00:32:07,801 --> 00:32:09,883 A place where all these instruments were around. 571 00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:12,837 MARTHA REEVES: So, he sat down at that big, long grand piano 572 00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:16,432 and he played it as if he had known Liberace himself. 573 00:32:16,518 --> 00:32:18,225 I said, "My, this baby's talented." 574 00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,057 He went to the full set of drums. He was so good. 575 00:32:21,106 --> 00:32:23,814 When he jumped on the organ, played the organ. 576 00:32:23,859 --> 00:32:26,021 Sat him on a stool and gave him the bongos. 577 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:28,876 Next, he stood up and he took a little harmonica out of his pocket. 578 00:32:29,531 --> 00:32:30,737 He could play everything. 579 00:32:30,824 --> 00:32:34,408 And we were like, OK, that's what a genius is. 580 00:32:34,828 --> 00:32:36,569 Berry Gordy said, "This kid is a wonder." 581 00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:40,914 I probably was paying very little attention to people 582 00:32:41,042 --> 00:32:43,704 and I'd say, "Oh," you know, “I'm glad to meet you. OK." 583 00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:44,834 HE HUMS A TUNE 584 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:49,298 I think until I got to Diana Ross and I heard that voice. It was like, OK, I'm in love. 585 00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:51,167 You know, goodbye instruments. 586 00:32:51,887 --> 00:32:53,673 HARMONICA PLAYS 587 00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:56,342 BAND PLAYS - CROWD CHEERS 588 00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:00,934 How about it, ladies and gentlemen? A cheer for the young man, Stevie Wonder. 589 00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,433 BERRY: He even wrote a song at the Apollo. - SMOKEY: Yeah. 590 00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:05,722 Called "Fingertips," which went to number one, I believe. 591 00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:08,308 BERRY GORDY: Because he wanted to get more excitement, 592 00:33:08,528 --> 00:33:10,144 so he came out for his bow. 593 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:11,319 Instead of taking a bow, 594 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,843 he told the audience, "Clap your hands just a little bit louder. 595 00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:16,029 Clap your hands just a little bit louder!" 596 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,235 STEVIE SINGS: ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 597 00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:22,281 ♪ Clap your hands just a little bit louder ♪ 598 00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:24,337 BERRY SINGS: ♪ Clap your hands just a little... ♪ 599 00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:26,857 You know, and everybody started getting up going and everything 600 00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:28,083 and it got good to him, 601 00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:30,790 and the people was clapping their hands and he wrote a song. 602 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:34,923 ♪ Everybody say yeah! ♪ - CROWD: Yeah! 603 00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:40,721 ♪ Say yeah! ♪ - CROWD: Yeah! 604 00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:42,392 ♪ Yeah ♪ - CROWD: Yeah! 605 00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:44,390 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 606 00:33:44,606 --> 00:33:48,474 HARMONICA PLAYS 607 00:34:03,875 --> 00:34:06,913 STEVIE WONDER: That particular night was an amazing night. 608 00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:09,461 The girls were screaming and all this kind of stuff. 609 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:15,050 That was probably the really first time that I understood the power of, 610 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,507 you know, when you do a performance a certain way, 611 00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:19,592 you get the kind of reaction that you get. 612 00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:21,844 We blew the house out. 613 00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:23,727 ♪ Yeah ♪ 614 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:27,308 ♪ Now goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye ♪ 615 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,556 ♪ Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye ♪ 616 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:31,358 MARY WILSON: Motown, in the earlier days, 617 00:34:31,444 --> 00:34:37,190 was like going to Disneyland, you know, but it was a musical Disneyland. 618 00:34:37,284 --> 00:34:39,901 I mean, you could walk through the halls of Motown 619 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:43,324 and see Marvin Gaye playing the piano over in the corner. 620 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:47,700 You would see the Holland Brothers running down with their music 621 00:34:47,794 --> 00:34:49,626 saying, "Man, I think it should be like this." 622 00:34:49,713 --> 00:34:52,501 LAMONT DOZIER: It was upstairs in the hallway of the house 623 00:34:52,591 --> 00:34:55,504 and I was just banging... HE HUMS 624 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,752 SMOKEY: I said, man, that's really funky, man. What's the name of that? 625 00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:00,366 He looked at me and said, "I don't know yet." 626 00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:02,076 LAMONT DOZIER: I said, "Man, what you gonna do with that?" 627 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,637 Is somebody gonna sing it or what?" I said, "You want it?" 628 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:07,098 SMOKEY: I said yeah! - LAMONT: By the following Monday, 629 00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:10,146 we had everybody come in and putting background. 630 00:35:10,233 --> 00:35:12,353 MARTHA REEVES: Smokey, coming into the reception area, 631 00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:14,310 I think the Supremes were sitting there too. 632 00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:17,526 And he said, "I want everybody to come in the studio!" 633 00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:19,106 Just like that, in his pretty voice. 634 00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:20,524 He said, "Repeat after me." 635 00:35:20,702 --> 00:35:22,192 "Come on, is everybody ready? Yeah!" 636 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:24,348 SMOKEY ROBINSON: Alright, is everybody ready? - ALL: Yeah! 637 00:35:24,372 --> 00:35:27,310 SMOKEY ROBINSON: "Mickey's Monkey," singing on that, of course, is the Miracles. 638 00:35:27,334 --> 00:35:28,686 LAMONT DOZIER: Martha and the Vandellas. 639 00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:30,997 SMOKEY: Two of the Temptations. - LAMONT: The Marvelettes. 640 00:35:31,046 --> 00:35:31,956 SMOKEY: Mary Wilson. 641 00:35:32,047 --> 00:35:35,961 LAMONT: Probably had more artists on it than any other song that I could remember. 642 00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:37,862 MARTHA REEVES: He said "OK, start the music, come on!" 643 00:35:37,886 --> 00:35:39,297 SHE SINGS ♪ Lum di lum di lie ♪ 644 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:41,924 MUSIC: "Mickey's Monkey" by The Miracles ♪ Lum di lum di lie ♪ 645 00:35:42,057 --> 00:35:43,263 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 646 00:35:45,018 --> 00:35:46,018 ♪ Alright ♪ 647 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:48,055 ♪ Yeah ♪ 648 00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:55,396 ♪ This cat named Mickey came from out of town, yeah ♪ 649 00:35:57,864 --> 00:36:00,481 ♪ He was spreading a new dance all around ♪ 650 00:36:02,911 --> 00:36:06,074 ♪ In just a matter of a few days, yeah ♪ 651 00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:09,415 SMOKEY ROBINSON: It was the young people making music, getting our feet wet. 652 00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:15,872 I think that the way we had Motown was a once in a lifetime musical event. 653 00:36:17,133 --> 00:36:19,465 JAMIE FOXX: You can never get the amount of talent 654 00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:21,463 that was in one room in Motown. 655 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,048 Stevland, Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross, the Supremes. 656 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:30,140 Oh, all these people who are Juggernauts... 657 00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:34,140 and you look at a young Michael Jackson. 658 00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:36,892 You know, and Smokey Robinson talks about 659 00:36:36,986 --> 00:36:40,980 seeing Michael Jackson for the first time and just going, like, "What is that?" 660 00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:44,484 ♪ Baby, baby, baby Give me baby, baby ♪ 661 00:36:44,577 --> 00:36:47,490 ♪ Give me baby, baby Give me baby ♪ 662 00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:51,160 ROCK N ROLL MUSIC PLAYS 663 00:37:14,107 --> 00:37:16,940 SHELLY BERGER: I got a telephone call from Mr Gordy one night. 664 00:37:17,318 --> 00:37:21,152 "Listen, we just signed this group called the Jackson Five. 665 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:25,108 You're gonna be their manager, so you better come down." 666 00:37:25,452 --> 00:37:28,410 He said, "This is Shelly Berger. Show him what you can do." 667 00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:31,579 They started doing this Smokey Robinson, "Who's Loving You." 668 00:37:31,958 --> 00:37:34,199 There is talent and there is talent 669 00:37:34,544 --> 00:37:37,002 and there is talent, and then there's a genius. 670 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,580 And then he said... ♪ When I... ♪ 671 00:37:39,841 --> 00:37:46,588 ♪ When I had you ♪ 672 00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:53,348 ♪ [ Treated you bad ♪ 673 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:56,305 ♪ And wrong, my dear ♪ 674 00:37:56,483 --> 00:38:03,526 ♪ And ever since you've been away ♪ 675 00:38:04,157 --> 00:38:12,157 ♪ Don't ya know [ sit around with my head hanging down ♪ 676 00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:15,540 ♪ And I wonder ♪ 677 00:38:15,668 --> 00:38:23,668 ♪ Who's loving you ♪ 678 00:38:27,055 --> 00:38:30,173 And the only songs we learned back in those days was the Motown songs, 679 00:38:30,225 --> 00:38:32,262 cos they were the biggest songs on the radio 680 00:38:32,352 --> 00:38:34,872 and actually, you know, we were in the recording studio after that. 681 00:38:34,896 --> 00:38:39,515 There was Marvin Gaye, there was Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson. 682 00:38:39,776 --> 00:38:41,858 And we had to sing their songs in front of them. 683 00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:43,101 I was so nervous. 684 00:38:43,363 --> 00:38:45,274 You know, whenever I sing "Who's Loving You," 685 00:38:45,365 --> 00:38:48,525 especially young people, they go to me, "Why'd you sing Michael Jackson's song?" 686 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:52,320 "Oh, Michael Jackson's song? I wrote this song before Michael Jackson was born." 687 00:38:52,497 --> 00:38:55,615 THEY LAUGH He has... That's his song now. 688 00:38:55,708 --> 00:38:57,428 "Who's Loving You" is Michael Jackson's song 689 00:38:57,460 --> 00:39:00,373 and all the people that you hear singing it now, sing it like him. 690 00:39:00,672 --> 00:39:03,505 JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS 691 00:39:04,384 --> 00:39:08,423 BERRY GORDY: As the company grew, so did the challenges of managing a team. 692 00:39:09,097 --> 00:39:13,341 I realised that I needed to not only give them direction in music, 693 00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:19,055 but whatever I had learned about life, I could use that in some way, 694 00:39:19,274 --> 00:39:22,187 pushing people, but not making them feel they were being pushed 695 00:39:22,235 --> 00:39:27,401 so I created competition. You know, "Beat me if you can." 696 00:39:27,490 --> 00:39:31,108 Have a better record than I have." And, of course, many of them did. 697 00:39:31,911 --> 00:39:38,203 The competition grew and developed, one feeding off the other. 698 00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:43,044 And it made you sharpen your tools. 699 00:39:43,131 --> 00:39:45,338 You know, it made you dig a little deeper, 700 00:39:45,425 --> 00:39:47,837 to come up with something that would stand apart. 701 00:39:47,969 --> 00:39:49,801 Competition breeds champions. 702 00:39:49,888 --> 00:39:52,880 But remember, you can't let the competition get in the way of the love. 703 00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:56,266 If you were producing an artist, say Stevie, 704 00:39:56,394 --> 00:40:00,558 you would want him to have a hit, and if I see you working with him, 705 00:40:00,857 --> 00:40:04,691 I want him to have a hit as well, because if they become successful, 706 00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:08,315 everybody has an opportunity to work with that artist as well. 707 00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:09,734 So, artists would love that. 708 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:14,948 You take love out the picture - it's ego, jealousy. 709 00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:17,829 Stuff that can kill any organisation. 710 00:40:18,291 --> 00:40:19,611 MELVIN FRANKLIN: I always asked... 711 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,630 But he couldn't, he was writing material for the Miracles and for Mary Wells. 712 00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:28,777 The best thing that happened for the Temptations 713 00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:30,667 was when Mary Wells left the company. 714 00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:32,544 That opened him up for us. 715 00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:35,005 The Temptations, we were trying to get some hits on them. 716 00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:36,658 We couldn't get any hits until, finally, 717 00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:39,226 I got a hit on them with "The Way You Do The Things You Do" 718 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,137 using Eddie Kendricks' voice to sing lead vocal. 719 00:40:42,357 --> 00:40:44,849 ♪ You got a smile so bright ♪ 720 00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:49,232 ♪ You know you could've been a candle ♪ 721 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:51,818 OTIS WILLIAMS: So I looked at the lyrics, I said, 722 00:40:51,991 --> 00:40:54,904 "Got a smile so bright, you could've been a candle. 723 00:40:55,036 --> 00:40:58,654 That's some hokey sh... Mm, yeah, Smokey would just laugh and say, "Yeah." 724 00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:01,327 ♪ Swept me off my feet ♪ 725 00:41:01,584 --> 00:41:03,541 SMOKEY ROBINSON: My greatest competitor 726 00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:07,504 for getting music out on the Temptations was Normal Whitfield. 727 00:41:07,882 --> 00:41:13,173 They had a contest to see who could break the Beatles' command on the top five. 728 00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:15,094 It was that kind of a contest. 729 00:41:15,181 --> 00:41:18,845 I was hurt many times by not having releases. 730 00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:22,553 That made me stronger, enough to get the public 731 00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:27,775 and Mr Gordy to get away from that Smokey Robinson sound. 732 00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:30,853 Norman Whitfield came to me and he said, 733 00:41:30,947 --> 00:41:35,282 "If he will write the lyric for me, then get this, the release on them."” 734 00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:37,692 I said, "Man, leave the Temptations alone." 735 00:41:38,037 --> 00:41:42,998 Now you know darn well, trying to beat Smokey out, you've got problems." 736 00:41:43,084 --> 00:41:45,792 He said, "Ed, Ed. I think this is it." 737 00:41:46,004 --> 00:41:49,372 MUSIC: "Girl, Why You Wanna Make Me Blue" by The Temptations 738 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,460 BERRY GORDY: Norman Whitfield came up 739 00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:57,546 and he kinda knocked Smokey out of that release, 740 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,040 so Smokey was not happy about that. 741 00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:03,222 ♪ I love you, girl, with all my heart and soul ♪ 742 00:42:03,312 --> 00:42:05,874 SMOKEY ROBINSON: And they were all using Eddie Kendricks to sing the lead 743 00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:07,559 cos that was the first hit they ever had. 744 00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:10,370 Heck, I knew Paul Williams and David Ruff in were in that group, man, 745 00:42:10,445 --> 00:42:13,654 who were awesome singers, so I wanted to write something for them. 746 00:42:14,282 --> 00:42:16,819 ♪ Girl, girl, girl ♪ 747 00:42:17,577 --> 00:42:20,239 BERRY GORDY: Everybody was bragging about Norman knocking him out, 748 00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:26,868 so when he said, "I've got a new record on the Temptations to follow up My Guy..." 749 00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:34,917 ♪ Nothing you can say could tear me away from my guy ♪ 750 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,114 BERRY GORDY: That would settle the score. 751 00:42:37,138 --> 00:42:39,425 He said, "I'm coming up with a new record, My Girl." 752 00:42:39,515 --> 00:42:43,304 And so, of course, we thought that was the most ridiculous thing we ever heard. 753 00:42:43,436 --> 00:42:45,973 THEY LAUGH 754 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:48,500 ll mean, you come up with "My Guy,” you can't come up with "My Girl.” 755 00:42:48,524 --> 00:42:51,642 What you gonna do, "My Mother-in-Law" you know, "My Wife"? 756 00:42:52,111 --> 00:42:53,672 SMOKEY ROBINSON: I was actually writing "My Girl" 757 00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:56,438 because I thought that David Ruff in had such a great voice. 758 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,943 He had this unique voice and I just wanted it to be kind of, like, isolated. 759 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:02,240 So, we were recording it, 760 00:43:02,288 --> 00:43:05,121 you know, we were running it down and I had Jamerson play... 761 00:43:05,374 --> 00:43:07,581 HE PLAYS RIFF 762 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:11,620 So, we were just still running it down. 763 00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:14,502 We hadn't even started to record it yet and Robert White, 764 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,653 you know, he was the lead guitarist for the Funk Brothers, 765 00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:20,011 Robert stood up and started walking around the studio with his guitar 766 00:43:20,056 --> 00:43:23,970 and he was just playing, bom, bom-bom bom-bom bom, bom, 767 00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:24,970 just walking around. 768 00:43:25,061 --> 00:43:28,224 And he started laughing, "Oh no, no, no, no, man. No, no, no." 769 00:43:28,314 --> 00:43:31,056 And I said "No, no, no, no? Are you kidding?" 770 00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:33,608 BERRY LAUGHS - That's in the record! That's on the thing. 771 00:43:33,653 --> 00:43:35,773 And it became one of the most famous guitar riffs ever 772 00:43:35,822 --> 00:43:37,062 and he was just kidding around. 773 00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:41,154 MUSIC: "My Girl" by The Temptations 774 00:43:48,668 --> 00:43:50,668 OTIS WILLIAMS: We were appearing at the 20 Grand... 775 00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:52,668 CROWD CHEERS and the place went crazy, 776 00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:56,248 and Smokey came by and he came backstage, and he said, 777 00:43:56,342 --> 00:44:02,088 "Man, I got a song for you guys that I think will be a smash." 778 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,349 So, us being young and cocky, "Man, bring it on. We'll sing anything." 779 00:44:07,061 --> 00:44:14,149 ♪ I've got sunshine on a cloudy day ♪ 780 00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:23,572 ♪ When it's cold outside I've got the month of May ♪ 781 00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:34,330 ♪ I guess you'd say What can make me feel this way? ♪ 782 00:44:35,423 --> 00:44:38,757 ♪ My girl (My girl, my girl) ♪ 783 00:44:38,926 --> 00:44:43,215 ♪ Talking about my girl (My girl) ♪ 784 00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:47,640 When Paul Riser added the strings and the horns, 785 00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:49,972 "My Girl" took on a whole 'nother kind of life. 786 00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:53,809 So I took my classical training and put it to use 787 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,110 and we came up with "My Girl" as you hear it today. 788 00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:03,857 MUSIC: "My Girl" by the Temptations 789 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:32,094 ♪ My girl (My girl, my girl) ♪ 790 00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:36,599 ♪ Talking about my girl (My girl) ♪ 791 00:45:36,776 --> 00:45:41,316 ♪ Ooooh-ooh ♪ 792 00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:45,489 NORMAN WHITFIELD: Smokey Robinson sent a record up there called "My Girl." 793 00:45:45,826 --> 00:45:49,160 I refused to go in the studio. I was just totally wiped out. 794 00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:53,953 OTIS WILLIAMS: February 1965, Mr Gordy sent us a congratulation telegram. 795 00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:58,128 It said that we had sold over a million records and we were number one, 796 00:45:58,339 --> 00:46:02,048 and also the Beatles sent us a telegram congratulating us. 797 00:46:02,176 --> 00:46:04,634 I have it hanging up in my house. HE LAUGHS 798 00:46:04,887 --> 00:46:11,850 ♪ I don't need no money, fortune or fame ♪ 799 00:46:13,938 --> 00:46:21,186 ♪ I've got all the riches, baby One man can claim ♪ 800 00:46:21,696 --> 00:46:24,233 SMOKEY ROBINSON: People have asked me a thousand times 801 00:46:24,699 --> 00:46:28,317 "Hey man, aren't you sorry you didn't keep My Girl for yourself?" 802 00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:32,078 Had it not been for the Temptations and David Ruff in and Norman Whitfield, 803 00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:34,123 I probably would have never even written "My Girl." 804 00:46:34,375 --> 00:46:35,991 Berry wanted us to be competitive. 805 00:46:36,168 --> 00:46:39,411 We were fiercely competitive against each other, but we helped each other. 806 00:46:40,006 --> 00:46:41,246 The Motown family. 807 00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:44,583 JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS 808 00:46:47,013 --> 00:46:50,256 BERRY GORDY: Quality control was something that I picked up 809 00:46:50,433 --> 00:46:51,673 from the Ford Motor Company. 810 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:55,552 After the assembly line was done, it still had to go to quality control, 811 00:46:55,938 --> 00:46:58,270 to make sure that the quality was there. 812 00:46:58,607 --> 00:47:02,976 You bring your record in on said artist and you play it and then you get a vote. 813 00:47:03,237 --> 00:47:05,478 The main thing, it was to get hits. 814 00:47:05,781 --> 00:47:07,592 So, if somebody's record was better than yours, 815 00:47:07,616 --> 00:47:10,608 you're looking at the company as a whole. 816 00:47:10,995 --> 00:47:14,829 Those quality control meetings were beautiful and loving, but vicious. 817 00:47:21,505 --> 00:47:25,214 BERRY GORDY ON TAPE: OK, can we finish our meeting here? It's afternoon now. 818 00:47:25,343 --> 00:47:27,112 BARNEY ALES: We're getting to the conclusions of assignments, 819 00:47:27,136 --> 00:47:30,629 a decision will be made on the Temptations record, which side is it? 820 00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:32,801 SMOKEY ROBINSON: "My Girl." - BARNEY: "My Girl"? 821 00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,218 BERRY: How many think that's not a hit? How many think it is a hit? 822 00:47:36,771 --> 00:47:38,261 How many's undecided? 823 00:47:39,899 --> 00:47:40,979 OK, what are your comments? 824 00:47:59,502 --> 00:48:01,243 THEY LAUGH - BARNEY: No, you can't pass. 825 00:48:01,337 --> 00:48:02,418 HAY FALE: That's not fair! 826 00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:12,424 BARNEY: You think it's a hit record? 827 00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:25,274 To be in there with a bunch of guys that you're competing with 828 00:48:25,403 --> 00:48:28,737 and yet they're constructively giving you some information 829 00:48:28,823 --> 00:48:30,905 that they think will make your product better. 830 00:48:31,075 --> 00:48:32,928 LITTLE RICHARD: You could tell that the writers had been sit down 831 00:48:32,952 --> 00:48:35,990 and talked to and trained. The beat was solid. 832 00:48:36,288 --> 00:48:39,497 Old Jamerson had that base out there, you understand me? 833 00:48:39,583 --> 00:48:42,496 It was way out there. They didn't just throw a record out. 834 00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:47,422 You could tell that record was docked on, it was nourished, it was beat. 835 00:48:47,508 --> 00:48:49,795 You're talking about some whoop, you know? It was whooped. 836 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:52,043 "Tracks Of My Tears" was one of those songs. 837 00:48:52,388 --> 00:48:55,409 The first time I took it in there, you know, they listened to it and they said, 838 00:48:55,433 --> 00:48:56,743 "Oh yeah, man, that's a good song. 839 00:48:56,767 --> 00:49:00,180 That's really good, man, but you ended it up wrong." 840 00:49:00,729 --> 00:49:05,314 MUSIC: "The Tracks of my Tears" ♪ So take a good look at my face ♪ 841 00:49:05,818 --> 00:49:08,230 ♪ You'll see my smile.. ♪ 842 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,048 SMOKEY ROBINSON: Cos I didn't end it up with the chorus. 843 00:49:10,072 --> 00:49:13,352 It wasn't ending up with "Take a good look at my face," it wasn't ending with that. 844 00:49:13,576 --> 00:49:16,296 I was ending it up with that lil groove thing, "I need you, need you" 845 00:49:16,412 --> 00:49:18,390 and they all looked at me and say, "Are you crazy?" 846 00:49:18,414 --> 00:49:20,517 As strong as the chorus is, you're gonna end that with that?" 847 00:49:20,541 --> 00:49:23,078 ♪ ll need you (Need you) ♪ 848 00:49:23,752 --> 00:49:26,164 "You've got to back and change that," so I did. 849 00:49:26,547 --> 00:49:31,462 ♪ Yeah, just look closer and it's easy to trace 850 00:49:31,594 --> 00:49:34,382 ♪ Oh, the tracks of my tears ♪ 851 00:49:34,555 --> 00:49:37,718 ♪ Baby, baby, baby, baby ♪ 852 00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:40,641 ♪ Take a good look at... ♪ 853 00:49:40,769 --> 00:49:46,230 ♪ Oh yeah, you'll see my smile looks out of place ♪ 854 00:49:46,317 --> 00:49:49,184 ♪ Look a little bit closer ♪ 855 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,403 And so, they were cutthroat, but they were constructive. 856 00:49:53,032 --> 00:49:54,193 There was nothing like it. 857 00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:56,316 LAMONT DOZIER: Berry had a great ear. 858 00:49:56,410 --> 00:50:00,620 He was always saying if you don't get 'em in the first four to eight bars, 859 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:02,392 you've got to go back to the drawing board. 860 00:50:02,416 --> 00:50:03,727 He used to say that all the time. 861 00:50:03,751 --> 00:50:05,520 "We've got to get 'em in the first ten seconds." 862 00:50:05,544 --> 00:50:07,706 We used to try and go for these fabulous intros. 863 00:50:07,796 --> 00:50:10,192 You know, something that would catch your attention immediately. 864 00:50:10,216 --> 00:50:11,297 And that's... 865 00:50:11,342 --> 00:50:14,551 HE SINGS INTRO TO "I CAN'T HELP MYSELF" 866 00:50:14,803 --> 00:50:16,259 ♪ Sugar pie, honey bunch ♪ 867 00:50:16,388 --> 00:50:20,347 MUSIC: "I Can't Help Myself" by Four Tops ♪ You know that I love you ♪ 868 00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:23,009 HE SINGS INTRO TO "GET READY" 869 00:50:23,145 --> 00:50:25,933 MUSIC: "Get Ready" by the Temptations 870 00:50:27,358 --> 00:50:29,770 Boom! ♪ I know you want to leave me ♪ 871 00:50:29,818 --> 00:50:31,379 MUSIC: "Ain't Too Proud To Beg" by the Temptations 872 00:50:31,403 --> 00:50:33,690 ♪ I know you want to leave me ♪ 873 00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:36,902 ♪ But I refuse to let you go ♪ 874 00:50:37,326 --> 00:50:39,804 We stopped the record, probably. Because sometimes I would stop. 875 00:50:39,828 --> 00:50:42,911 "OK, OK, you win. It's coming out next week." 876 00:50:43,374 --> 00:50:45,661 ♪ Cos you mean that much to me ♪ 877 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,203 ♪ Ain't too proud to beg and you know it ♪ 878 00:50:49,838 --> 00:50:53,001 ♪ Please don't leave me, girl (Don't you go) ♪ 879 00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:56,926 BERRY GORDY: Everybody had to speak their truth, what their truths were. 880 00:50:57,137 --> 00:50:58,252 You were free in here. 881 00:50:58,389 --> 00:51:00,630 Whatever you say, it will never be held against you. 882 00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:02,677 I challenge anybody, including me. 883 00:51:03,143 --> 00:51:06,352 They save that for when Smokey had a song up against mine 884 00:51:06,522 --> 00:51:09,059 and we had two songs, yeah? - SMOKEY LAUGHS 885 00:51:11,026 --> 00:51:12,687 This is true, I speak the truth. 886 00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:16,024 Not that it was actually their opinion, they just did that to get at you. 887 00:51:16,156 --> 00:51:18,443 Oh no, no. Because they want to test me, always. 888 00:51:18,701 --> 00:51:22,160 But when I had a record called "Temptations"... 889 00:51:22,288 --> 00:51:25,531 SMOKEY: "Dream Come True." - "Dream Come True," that was it. 890 00:51:25,958 --> 00:51:30,373 ♪ Dream come true, da da da da, dream come true ♪ 891 00:51:30,462 --> 00:51:32,315 ll mean, it was phenomenal. - SMOKEY: It's a great record. 892 00:51:32,339 --> 00:51:37,129 You know, his song was, compared to mine, you know, mediocre. 893 00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:39,586 That was, you know... - SMOKEY LAUGHS 894 00:51:40,306 --> 00:51:44,550 When I said, "How many people liked my song" and there was no hands went up 895 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,177 and Smokey, I saw him looking at people, you know? 896 00:51:47,354 --> 00:51:50,563 SMOKEY LAUGHS - I mean, it was all a coup. It was a coup. 897 00:51:51,191 --> 00:51:55,901 But because the company was such a democratic situation in this quality control, 898 00:51:55,988 --> 00:51:58,446 stuff like that happens, you know? So, that was it. 899 00:51:58,741 --> 00:52:00,732 PIANO PLAYS 900 00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:07,288 BERRY GORDY: The first step would be the writing of the song, the creative part. 901 00:52:07,374 --> 00:52:10,912 Then we had to deal with the selling part, with the distributors. 902 00:52:11,170 --> 00:52:13,081 Create, sell, collect. 903 00:52:13,172 --> 00:52:15,900 It's nice to get the talent picture of what goes on behind the company, 904 00:52:15,924 --> 00:52:18,916 there could be none better than Berry, naturally, who started it out. 905 00:52:19,011 --> 00:52:20,571 And, of course, from the sales picture, 906 00:52:20,638 --> 00:52:25,053 on what makes a record company tick in sales, the dollars and cents, which is very vital, 907 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:28,100 Mr Barney Ales, Vice President, in charge of sales. 908 00:52:28,437 --> 00:52:33,102 BERRY GORDY: He was a strong Italian who I convinced to work for me, 909 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,361 but it was not easy getting him to give up his great position 910 00:52:38,447 --> 00:52:39,903 where he was at the top of his game. 911 00:52:40,115 --> 00:52:41,801 BARNEY ALES: Him and I used to hang out together 912 00:52:41,825 --> 00:52:44,567 and one night, I saw they got a great new restaurant 913 00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:47,408 I'd just been going to the last month called the Chop House. 914 00:52:47,998 --> 00:52:50,114 BERRY GORDY: We came in and they saw me with him 915 00:52:50,334 --> 00:52:53,497 and they said, "I'm sorry, we don't serve black people here." 916 00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:56,045 I said, "Easy, that's fantastic, cos I don't eat 'em." 917 00:52:56,256 --> 00:53:00,295 And they looked at him and said, you know... and he... you know. 918 00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:03,253 Then I got a little Sicilian. 919 00:53:03,889 --> 00:53:05,675 BERRY GORDY: And we sat down and, of course, 920 00:53:05,766 --> 00:53:09,384 people were staring at us and all that, but the point is that Barney didn't care. 921 00:53:09,603 --> 00:53:11,719 BARNEY ALES: Berry and I had a great relationship 922 00:53:12,398 --> 00:53:15,891 and Berry was great in the studio and I was great with the distributors. 923 00:53:16,193 --> 00:53:21,359 My whole dream was to make the world understand, 924 00:53:21,448 --> 00:53:24,361 hear our music, and they could either like it or not like it. 925 00:53:24,743 --> 00:53:27,326 But when we couldn't get music played on the white stations, 926 00:53:27,913 --> 00:53:30,405 "What makes you think white people won't like your music?" 927 00:53:30,499 --> 00:53:32,018 You know, I said "I want all the people." 928 00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:34,704 It's not black music. It's music by a black artist. 929 00:53:34,962 --> 00:53:37,545 I can remember when they were promoting my records 930 00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:43,217 and Barney Ales took me to the station, CKLW, which was the powerhouse station, 931 00:53:43,387 --> 00:53:45,549 and the guy looked at me, he said, 932 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:47,721 "I'm gonna tell you something, Eddie, 933 00:53:47,891 --> 00:53:50,258 I'm playing this record because of Barney Ales." 934 00:53:50,644 --> 00:53:52,226 He made that happen. 935 00:53:52,521 --> 00:53:55,684 Berry was most interested in where the records were going in the charts 936 00:53:55,941 --> 00:53:58,683 and was he getting paid, which I collected. 937 00:53:58,819 --> 00:54:01,277 One of the stories when I came to Motown 938 00:54:01,363 --> 00:54:07,860 was that the Mafia owned Motown and it kinda lent to the folklore of it 939 00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:11,825 and, yeah, Barney looked like that Italian Mafioso guy. 940 00:54:11,915 --> 00:54:13,906 BERRY GORDY: I mean, he got me in so much trouble. 941 00:54:14,001 --> 00:54:16,413 "He's being run by the Mafia. You see that guy in there? 942 00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:17,993 He can't even leave Detroit." 943 00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:19,246 Remember when I told you that? 944 00:54:19,631 --> 00:54:21,247 You know, I said, "Barney, you know", 945 00:54:21,341 --> 00:54:23,341 you look like you could be the Mafia or something." 946 00:54:23,385 --> 00:54:25,342 He said, "Yeah, well, that's served me well." 947 00:54:25,471 --> 00:54:26,961 THEY LAUGH 948 00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:29,422 Many times it gets your records played, you know? 949 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:36,017 And I was criticised by a lot of black people for having the white people there. 950 00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:38,514 "He's a traitor! He won't hire black people." 951 00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:40,545 It's like, "What do you mean? Come and look and see." 952 00:54:40,569 --> 00:54:43,527 I've got a lot of black people, but I also got white people.” 953 00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:46,522 It's not about whether you're black or white. I want to win. 954 00:54:46,742 --> 00:54:51,157 In some cases the best person was white, other cases the best person was a woman. 955 00:54:51,413 --> 00:54:55,247 The fact that there were women in key positions at Motown 956 00:54:55,584 --> 00:54:57,040 seemed natural to me. 957 00:54:57,169 --> 00:54:59,160 We drove her crazy. We got on her nerves. 958 00:54:59,463 --> 00:55:02,000 MARLON JACKSON: I didn't realise, she was only 21. 959 00:55:02,424 --> 00:55:05,257 JACKIE JACKSON: But at an early age she was very, very smart. 960 00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:08,427 SUZANNE DE PASSE: I didn't realise how forward thinking it was 961 00:55:08,514 --> 00:55:10,926 until I saw many other organisations 962 00:55:11,016 --> 00:55:13,804 where there was not a reciprocal kind of picture. 963 00:55:13,894 --> 00:55:17,307 All of Berry's sisters worked in the company at one point or another. 964 00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:21,019 They did jobs that men would do and did them better. 965 00:55:21,485 --> 00:55:23,067 Most companies that we would visit, 966 00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:27,147 Tsch, no woman in no key position making no decisions, 967 00:55:27,449 --> 00:55:31,488 but he had 'em at Motown and he had black, white and Jews working at Motown, 968 00:55:31,578 --> 00:55:34,195 so he wasn't stuck on a thing of, you know, 969 00:55:34,289 --> 00:55:36,621 well, this is a black company, it's got to be all black. 970 00:55:36,708 --> 00:55:38,324 The colour of business is green. 971 00:55:38,418 --> 00:55:40,063 BERRY GORDY: You know, I got a lot of credit for all that 972 00:55:40,087 --> 00:55:44,502 and sure, I put it together, but these people grew on their own 973 00:55:44,591 --> 00:55:47,959 and at some point, you know, it was not me, 974 00:55:48,053 --> 00:55:51,171 it was magic, and it became a brand. 975 00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:55,717 Thanks to the teenager, the record business is a big, big business. 976 00:55:56,311 --> 00:55:58,973 They marketed Motown as "The Sound Of Young America." 977 00:55:59,398 --> 00:56:01,730 Children who had been born after WW? 2 978 00:56:01,817 --> 00:56:04,559 were coming into their teen years by the early '60s 979 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:09,940 and they were aware of the importance of that market for selling records. 980 00:56:10,284 --> 00:56:11,820 You saw the Motown label, 981 00:56:11,869 --> 00:56:14,150 you were gonna buy it whether you knew what it was or not. 982 00:56:14,454 --> 00:56:17,196 The Motown label and brand became that important. 983 00:56:17,291 --> 00:56:20,454 If it's on Motown, that's the shit, you know? 984 00:56:20,544 --> 00:56:22,956 You know, I'm buying it. I got to listen to it. 985 00:56:23,714 --> 00:56:25,671 JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS 986 00:56:32,014 --> 00:56:36,679 Artist development was a key station on the production line. 987 00:56:36,768 --> 00:56:40,807 My sisters really persuaded me to bring in the charm school, 988 00:56:40,898 --> 00:56:45,984 so I had no idea that was going to be as important as it was. 989 00:56:46,486 --> 00:56:49,979 All of us were just, if an idea sounded good, we'd try it, you know? 990 00:56:50,198 --> 00:56:52,530 It was a critical part of the equation, 991 00:56:52,784 --> 00:56:56,368 that you not only create great talent, great songs, 992 00:56:56,455 --> 00:56:58,571 but now you've got to present those songs. 993 00:56:59,291 --> 00:57:02,374 Ford never saw that kind of thing on the assembly line. 994 00:57:02,628 --> 00:57:06,041 They were grooming their artists for the long run. 995 00:57:06,298 --> 00:57:07,788 Then we had signed with Motown 996 00:57:07,841 --> 00:57:11,550 and so we had to go through what everybody else at Motown went through, 997 00:57:11,637 --> 00:57:13,799 which was, we had our pictures taken 998 00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:16,722 and then we learned how to move, choreography. 999 00:57:17,309 --> 00:57:18,970 You learn how to move as a band. 1000 00:57:19,561 --> 00:57:21,017 Go through the whole thing. 1001 00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:25,814 And we did that and we knew we were a challenge. 1002 00:57:26,276 --> 00:57:29,018 SMOKEY ROBINSON: I don't care who you became, who you were, whatever. 1003 00:57:29,112 --> 00:57:30,423 Two days a week, when you were in Detroit, 1004 00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:32,634 you had to go down to this building, so we'd go over there. 1005 00:57:32,658 --> 00:57:35,616 You used to do stuff, and then sometimes you'd try to dance, 1006 00:57:35,702 --> 00:57:37,284 but you couldn't dance that well. 1007 00:57:37,371 --> 00:57:39,738 Wait a minute. What do you mean, man? I taught Michael, man. 1008 00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:44,917 MUSIC: "I Want You Back" by Jackson 5 1009 00:57:46,171 --> 00:57:47,332 THEY LAUGH 1010 00:57:47,923 --> 00:57:50,290 SMOKEY ROBINSON: Charlie Atkins was our choreographer 1011 00:57:50,425 --> 00:57:54,419 and he would stop and say, "Boy, I am so glad you're the lead singer," 1012 00:57:54,846 --> 00:57:57,053 so I don't really have to try to show you these steps. 1013 00:57:57,265 --> 00:57:59,302 "You just stand over there and sing." THEY LAUGH 1014 00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,473 People like Maxine Powell taught them how to walk and talk 1015 00:58:03,563 --> 00:58:05,725 and do things gracefully. 1016 00:58:05,816 --> 00:58:09,434 This department would groom and polish them 1017 00:58:09,528 --> 00:58:12,691 so that they could appear in number one places around the country, 1018 00:58:13,031 --> 00:58:14,863 and even before the King and Queen. 1019 00:58:15,409 --> 00:58:17,776 You know, they came from humble beginning, 1020 00:58:18,078 --> 00:58:21,116 but I told them where they would be appearing 1021 00:58:21,415 --> 00:58:24,828 and they laughed and said that I was out of my mind. 1022 00:58:25,043 --> 00:58:28,161 But with me, it isn't where you come from, it's where you're going. 1023 00:58:28,338 --> 00:58:30,650 And she said, "I don't teach you how to use a spoon or a fork." 1024 00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:31,985 You've got to learn that at home. 1025 00:58:32,009 --> 00:58:33,920 You know, I'll teach you how to be proud 1026 00:58:34,011 --> 00:58:38,221 "and to walk and hold yourself from a higher standard, from inside." 1027 00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:39,846 We start with body language. 1028 00:58:40,017 --> 00:58:42,179 Your body language tells so much about you. 1029 00:58:42,269 --> 00:58:44,385 You do not protrude the buttocks. 1030 00:58:45,022 --> 00:58:47,083 MARTHA REEVES: She was making us have self-confidence 1031 00:58:47,107 --> 00:58:48,848 and building our self-esteem. 1032 00:58:49,276 --> 00:58:54,567 Letting us know that we have to be socially accepted in order to do this. 1033 00:58:54,656 --> 00:59:00,948 To represent not only a kind of music, but the culture and spirit of a people. 1034 00:59:01,163 --> 00:59:02,870 Now, some black folks would be like, 1035 00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:05,618 "Man, why I got to do that?" You know what I'm saying? 1036 00:59:05,709 --> 00:59:09,293 "Why I got to act white in front of these white folks? I wanna be me. 1037 00:59:09,379 --> 00:59:12,917 I wanna be black. They calling me nigger anyway, why don't I just own that?" 1038 00:59:13,175 --> 00:59:14,665 And Berry was like, 1039 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,798 "Yeah, you could own that, but then what happens? What happens to the art?" 1040 00:59:17,888 --> 00:59:20,676 Because Berry was like, the art is colourless. 1041 00:59:20,807 --> 00:59:24,926 The music has no colour. It just has a feeling. It has a pulse to it. 1042 00:59:25,353 --> 00:59:28,141 Some people didn't get it, but they get it now. 1043 00:59:28,356 --> 00:59:32,645 No-one spent longer in artist development than the Supremes. 1044 00:59:32,861 --> 00:59:37,776 My mother had parents who had worked in the cotton fields in the South 1045 00:59:37,991 --> 00:59:39,698 and many of them had not gone to school. 1046 00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:44,077 Our parents wanted us to get an education, go to college. 1047 00:59:44,706 --> 00:59:47,323 By the time we got to Motown, I didn't want to go to college, 1048 00:59:47,417 --> 00:59:49,203 you know, I'm like, "I want to make records." 1049 00:59:49,503 --> 00:59:51,790 MAXINE POWELL: I remember, with the Supremes, 1050 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,464 they were singing and I thought it was making faces. 1051 00:59:55,550 --> 00:59:56,710 I said, "What are you doing?" 1052 00:59:56,802 --> 00:59:59,214 And they said, "What are we doing? We're singing." 1053 00:59:59,346 --> 01:00:01,804 I said, "Well, it looks like you're making faces to me." 1054 01:00:02,265 --> 01:00:04,077 EDDIE HOLLAND: Who in the hell would have thought 1055 01:00:04,101 --> 01:00:06,968 all those different artists, the Supremes and people... 1056 01:00:07,104 --> 01:00:11,223 Oh my God, you should have seen those girls when they first came there! 1057 01:00:11,316 --> 01:00:12,681 You would have never believed it. 1058 01:00:12,776 --> 01:00:14,813 The fabulous Supremes. How about it, yeah? 1059 01:00:15,237 --> 01:00:17,444 CROWD CHEERS 1060 01:00:18,073 --> 01:00:19,300 MARTHA REEVES: So, they were waiting around 1061 01:00:19,324 --> 01:00:21,440 and they were being called the no-hit Supremes. 1062 01:00:22,869 --> 01:00:26,783 ♪ Stop hurting me Hurting me (Hurting me) ♪ 1063 01:00:27,249 --> 01:00:31,994 ♪ Ooooh Now don't you think you're all... ♪ 1064 01:00:32,087 --> 01:00:33,356 BERRY GORDY: I would tell the producers, 1065 01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:36,293 whatever it takes to get them a hit, we just have to keep trying. 1066 01:00:36,383 --> 01:00:38,590 If they don't get a hit, it's our fault, not theirs. 1067 01:00:38,677 --> 01:00:42,591 I cut about three records on them and, you know, nothing happened. 1068 01:00:43,098 --> 01:00:45,451 And then Berry cut about three records on them, nothing happened. 1069 01:00:45,475 --> 01:00:50,265 ♪ But my heart can't take it no more ♪ 1070 01:00:50,355 --> 01:00:51,971 And then finally, Holland-Dozier-Holland, 1071 01:00:52,065 --> 01:00:54,853 who had actually written "Where Did Our Love Go" for the Marvelettes. 1072 01:00:54,943 --> 01:00:57,526 ♪ Oh yes, wait a minute, Mr Postman ♪ 1073 01:00:57,571 --> 01:01:00,484 ♪ (Wait!) Wait, Mr Postman ♪ 1074 01:01:00,657 --> 01:01:02,510 The Marvelettes didn't like it. They didn't wanna sing it. 1075 01:01:02,534 --> 01:01:05,743 I was talking to Gladys Horton and when she said, 1076 01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:08,571 "No, baby. We don't do stuff like that," 1077 01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:11,407 I said, "What did you say?" HE LAUGHS 1078 01:01:12,043 --> 01:01:14,125 ♪ You'd better wait a minute, wait a minute ♪ 1079 01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:15,832 That was a first for me, 1080 01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:19,044 and so I said, "Man, I've got to find somebody to do this song." 1081 01:01:19,551 --> 01:01:22,543 I saw Mary Wilson one day. I said, "Mary, Mary, baby", 1082 01:01:22,846 --> 01:01:25,588 I've got this song I just finished for you guys!" 1083 01:01:25,974 --> 01:01:29,592 And she was like, "Yeah. Is this the song that you gave to Gladys?" 1084 01:01:29,686 --> 01:01:31,518 I said... "What are you talking about?" 1085 01:01:31,646 --> 01:01:34,513 MARY WILSON: I told Eddie Holland, I said, "Eddie, we need a hit", 1086 01:01:34,733 --> 01:01:37,725 cos if we don't get a hit, our parents are gonna make us go to college, 1087 01:01:38,028 --> 01:01:39,735 "and that song is not a hit." 1088 01:01:39,988 --> 01:01:42,355 Got them in the studio and they did the song, you know. 1089 01:01:43,074 --> 01:01:45,862 MUSIC: "Where Did Our Love Go" by the Supremes 1090 01:01:46,077 --> 01:01:48,159 I can't forget that name. It's like a nightmare. 1091 01:01:51,166 --> 01:01:53,203 MUSIC STOPS - THEY CHATTER 1092 01:01:54,544 --> 01:01:59,380 Ooh, man, Diana was upset and everything. She was gonna talk to Berry about it. 1093 01:01:59,716 --> 01:02:01,423 Berry came down and listened and he said, 1094 01:02:01,843 --> 01:02:05,177 "Well, wait a minute. This sounds like it could be something, you know?" 1095 01:02:05,805 --> 01:02:07,261 ♪ Baby, baby ♪ 1096 01:02:08,183 --> 01:02:10,345 ♪ Baby, don't leave me ♪ 1097 01:02:11,019 --> 01:02:17,561 ♪ Ooh, please don't leave me All by myself ♪ 1098 01:02:18,693 --> 01:02:20,684 ♪ You came into my heart ♪ 1099 01:02:21,363 --> 01:02:22,632 SMOKEY ROBINSON: When the record came out, 1100 01:02:22,656 --> 01:02:25,114 they were actually opening the show, the Dick Clark tour, 1101 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,487 and by the time the tour was over, they were closing, 1102 01:02:27,911 --> 01:02:30,198 because "Where Did Our Love Go" had taken over. 1103 01:02:30,247 --> 01:02:31,247 Phew! 1104 01:02:32,082 --> 01:02:35,325 Number one before you could say Jackie Robinson, you know? 1105 01:02:36,711 --> 01:02:38,577 ♪ You were a perfect guy ♪ 1106 01:02:38,672 --> 01:02:41,130 MARY WILSON: Then everybody at Motown was at our feet. 1107 01:02:41,466 --> 01:02:44,379 Now, we were no longer the no-hit Supremes. 1108 01:02:44,469 --> 01:02:46,389 EDDIE HOLLAND: And I was standing outside Motown, 1109 01:02:46,471 --> 01:02:50,260 Berry Gordy said to me, "Listen, concentrate on the girls." 1110 01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:52,466 This group will carry the company.” 1111 01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:54,205 MARY WILSON: I think we were the only girl group 1112 01:02:54,229 --> 01:02:56,266 to have five consecutive number ones. 1113 01:02:56,356 --> 01:02:58,723 Of course, Holland-Dozier-Holland did all these songs. 1114 01:02:58,817 --> 01:03:01,434 VALERIE SIMPSON: Holland-Dozier-Holland were the gods at Motown. 1115 01:03:01,528 --> 01:03:03,923 They were, like, right under Berry as far as I was concerned, 1116 01:03:03,947 --> 01:03:06,029 you know, in terms of their importance. 1117 01:03:06,116 --> 01:03:10,952 There was that quality and those kinds of songs that resonated with America, 1118 01:03:10,996 --> 01:03:13,112 and they didn't know what they were even feeling. 1119 01:03:13,331 --> 01:03:15,038 That was them. That was the genius. 1120 01:03:17,002 --> 01:03:19,619 JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS 1121 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,460 COMPERE: From New York City, 1122 01:03:25,427 --> 01:03:28,886 the Apollo Theatre proudly presents the Motortown Revue! 1123 01:03:29,597 --> 01:03:32,885 We had written a song, we'd produced it, and we're now selling it. 1124 01:03:32,976 --> 01:03:38,722 We got this idea of taking the artist on the road with our own band. 1125 01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:41,648 Smokey always closed the shows, as he was the star 1126 01:03:42,027 --> 01:03:43,734 and the one everybody respected. 1127 01:03:43,945 --> 01:03:46,232 But everybody was trying to get to that ending spot, 1128 01:03:46,323 --> 01:03:50,362 and so they'd do all kind of stuff to move back in the show. 1129 01:03:50,577 --> 01:03:54,036 Whoever went on first would just do the best they could be. 1130 01:03:54,247 --> 01:03:57,114 You know, like, make the stage so hot, then it was, like, OK beat that. 1131 01:03:57,208 --> 01:03:59,666 How do we really get the people screaming? 1132 01:04:00,003 --> 01:04:02,586 How do we get Marvin Gaye? How do we get him, you know? 1133 01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:05,001 We loved the Temps, we loved the Miracles, 1134 01:04:05,091 --> 01:04:06,902 but I swear on the Bible when it comes to singing, 1135 01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:09,088 we tried to out-sing them suckers every time. 1136 01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:11,257 We loved the Tops, but when they would go out there 1137 01:04:11,306 --> 01:04:14,469 they'd talk about trying to kick our ass, so... pshh, "Brer, please." 1138 01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:16,891 You'd better back up before we act up, you know?" 1139 01:04:16,978 --> 01:04:19,720 When we brought that and started going through all that choreography 1140 01:04:19,814 --> 01:04:23,227 and throwing the microphone up and all that razzmatazz they was doing, please! 1141 01:04:23,443 --> 01:04:25,184 We baptised that ass in fire. 1142 01:04:25,695 --> 01:04:28,403 It's like chickens come out fighting. HE LAUGHS 1143 01:04:28,573 --> 01:04:31,782 The Tops made it hard for us because Levi Stubbs... 1144 01:04:31,868 --> 01:04:34,735 MUSIC: "Reach Out I'll Be There" by Four Tops - Levi Stubbs was no joke. 1145 01:04:35,246 --> 01:04:41,618 ♪ Now if you feel that you can't go on Because all of your hope is gone ♪ 1146 01:04:42,295 --> 01:04:45,253 ♪ And your life is filled with much confusion ♪ 1147 01:04:45,507 --> 01:04:48,716 ♪ Until happiness is just an illusion ♪ 1148 01:04:49,594 --> 01:04:53,383 ♪ And your world around is falling down Darling... ♪ 1149 01:04:55,517 --> 01:04:56,678 ♪ Reach on out to me ♪ 1150 01:05:02,232 --> 01:05:07,818 ♪ I'll be there, to love and shelter you ♪ 1151 01:05:08,655 --> 01:05:15,402 ♪ I'll be there, to always see you through ♪ 1152 01:05:17,038 --> 01:05:19,575 ♪ When you feel lost and about to give up ♪ 1153 01:05:19,666 --> 01:05:22,658 DUKE FAKIR: Now one thing we couldn't do, we couldn't outdance nobody 1154 01:05:23,086 --> 01:05:26,454 but we had a way of doing our own that looked like we was doing a whole lot. 1155 01:05:26,548 --> 01:05:27,629 We weren't doing shit. 1156 01:05:29,759 --> 01:05:32,717 We took off so big in the Detroit area, 1157 01:05:32,887 --> 01:05:34,844 Berry decided he had to get us on the road 1158 01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,340 and that opened up a whole new world for us. 1159 01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:40,892 Our first Motown Revue was 94 one-nighters. 1160 01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:43,603 Berry waved to us as we left Detroit 1161 01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:46,265 in this broken down Trailway that didn't have a toilet. 1162 01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:48,312 That's three months of travelling. 1163 01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:50,686 Two hotel visits in the whole three months, 1164 01:05:50,822 --> 01:05:53,940 so most of the time, we were sleeping with our head up against the window 1165 01:05:54,033 --> 01:05:55,740 or against a seating partner. 1166 01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:57,818 CLAUDETTE ROBINSON: Travelling was really hard, 1167 01:05:57,871 --> 01:06:00,829 but I think working together, also being young 1168 01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:02,539 made a great deal of difference. 1169 01:06:02,625 --> 01:06:04,582 Every day it was a new adventure. 1170 01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:10,776 SMOKEY ROBINSON: When we first started going, especially to the Deep South, 1171 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,134 Mississippi and all round in there, the gigs were very separated, man. 1172 01:06:14,596 --> 01:06:17,588 MARY WILSON: Living in Detroit, we had ethnic neighbourhoods, 1173 01:06:17,724 --> 01:06:21,763 but we didn't call it segregated cos it didn't have that same feeling as the South. 1174 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:24,185 We weren't allowed to stay in hotels, 1175 01:06:24,397 --> 01:06:27,606 we weren't allowed to use the bathroom on the highway, 1176 01:06:27,859 --> 01:06:31,773 and to actually see a water fountain that only black people could use, 1177 01:06:31,863 --> 01:06:34,446 it was like... hmm. 1178 01:06:34,741 --> 01:06:37,233 There was a fear in me where I wanted to go home. 1179 01:06:37,410 --> 01:06:38,866 I was ready to go back home. 1180 01:06:39,370 --> 01:06:41,737 DUKE FAKIR: I remember the first time we went to Atlanta. 1181 01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,998 So, I got off the bus first and went into the waiting room. 1182 01:06:45,084 --> 01:06:49,373 As soon as I walked in the waiting room, I felt this thing against my head. 1183 01:06:49,422 --> 01:06:51,880 I looked up. The sheriff had put a gun to my head and said, 1184 01:06:51,925 --> 01:06:53,666 "Nigger, get out of here." 1185 01:06:53,801 --> 01:06:56,168 Now, I didn't know I was in a white waiting room. 1186 01:06:56,262 --> 01:06:59,550 I didn't know nothing about that, then. It scared the hell out of me, man. 1187 01:06:59,641 --> 01:07:05,353 I still feel that. Put that cold steel against my head, he scared the hell out of me. 1188 01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:07,041 SMOKEY ROBINSON: It was rough out there, man. 1189 01:07:07,065 --> 01:07:09,126 I mean, we've been shot at for wanting to go to the toilet. 1190 01:07:09,150 --> 01:07:11,107 You know, it's just crazy stuff. 1191 01:07:11,819 --> 01:07:15,187 We had a major problem in Northfork, Virginia. 1192 01:07:15,448 --> 01:07:18,566 We did a gig there and the whites were trying to start some crap. 1193 01:07:19,953 --> 01:07:21,159 The Temps was on the stage. 1194 01:07:21,287 --> 01:07:23,745 Tops and their crew were standing on the side of the stage 1195 01:07:23,831 --> 01:07:26,949 and then, when the Tops would go on, the Temps would re-position ourselves. 1196 01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:30,707 Even in our competition and trying to be flash and all that, 1197 01:07:31,005 --> 01:07:33,997 when push come to shove, we're still just working together. 1198 01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:35,902 OTIS WILLIAMS: So, we finished the show, 1199 01:07:35,969 --> 01:07:38,427 loading up the bus, cos we have to go to the next city, 1200 01:07:38,805 --> 01:07:40,796 and the next thing I heard, pow, pow, pow! 1201 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:44,925 I dived on the floor, cos I know gunshots when I hear 'em. 1202 01:07:45,144 --> 01:07:48,353 They missed the gas tank by inches. 1203 01:07:49,357 --> 01:07:53,851 Scary stuff. At that point, I was really ready to go home. 1204 01:07:56,155 --> 01:08:02,117 MICKEY STEVENSON: We had assassinations, murders, race riots, kids being burned. 1205 01:08:02,662 --> 01:08:05,450 Burnt... kids being burnt. I mean, how do you... 1206 01:08:06,416 --> 01:08:08,123 You know, schools burned up. 1207 01:08:08,167 --> 01:08:10,020 Where is this coming from? Where are these people coming from? 1208 01:08:10,044 --> 01:08:13,127 The places that we played during the '60s, oh yeah, it was rough. 1209 01:08:13,715 --> 01:08:15,422 We played Columbia, South Carolina. 1210 01:08:15,508 --> 01:08:20,423 The first time we went there, there was a rope right down the centre of the theatre. 1211 01:08:21,431 --> 01:08:24,093 Blacks on one side, whites sitting on the other. 1212 01:08:24,392 --> 01:08:25,757 And all that's going on, 1213 01:08:26,519 --> 01:08:30,262 and yet the music of Motown was growing in the hearts of everyone. 1214 01:08:30,857 --> 01:08:34,475 At one of the concerts, actually, Smokey had said... we were on tour, 1215 01:08:34,819 --> 01:08:39,655 and he told the promoter we were not going to perform 1216 01:08:39,907 --> 01:08:43,525 if they kept that rope down the middle. 1217 01:08:43,745 --> 01:08:46,362 After a while, man, we started going back to those same places 1218 01:08:46,831 --> 01:08:50,825 and all the kids were dancing together, they were mingling and having fun. 1219 01:08:51,127 --> 01:08:55,041 Blacks and whites, side-by-side, enjoying the music. 1220 01:08:55,381 --> 01:08:58,590 EDDIE HOLLAND: ll can remember when I was at Motown, 1221 01:08:58,676 --> 01:09:03,421 Berry was in the studio and Martin Luther King walked in. 1222 01:09:03,806 --> 01:09:07,765 Man, that was the shock of my life. Honest to goodness! 1223 01:09:08,853 --> 01:09:11,971 I mean, you know, it was just like God walking in. 1224 01:09:12,065 --> 01:09:13,647 HE LAUGHS 1225 01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:16,975 The time I met Dr King when he came, 1226 01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:21,192 um, when he realised our music was helping him and his movement, 1227 01:09:21,866 --> 01:09:25,609 this guy who I admired so much and who was doing so much and out there fighting 1228 01:09:25,703 --> 01:09:29,742 was saying that I was bringing emotional integration to a lot of people. 1229 01:09:29,832 --> 01:09:33,245 He was seeing them dancing to our music and it was, like, positive, 1230 01:09:33,336 --> 01:09:38,672 and he said, you know, "I would like to be connected with your company, you know?" 1231 01:09:38,758 --> 01:09:41,341 And I'm saying, "Oh my God!" 1232 01:09:41,678 --> 01:09:46,218 A whole lot of stuff that they were trying to do legally or spiritually 1233 01:09:46,307 --> 01:09:47,718 or how they were trying to do it, 1234 01:09:49,811 --> 01:09:51,176 we were just doing it with music. 1235 01:09:51,771 --> 01:09:53,808 ORCHESTRA PLAYS 1236 01:09:53,898 --> 01:09:55,209 ANNOUNCER: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 1237 01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:59,352 Tonight, live from New York, the Ed Sullivan Show. 1238 01:09:59,862 --> 01:10:02,854 FANFARE PLAYS - APPLAUSE 1239 01:10:03,533 --> 01:10:07,902 Growing up, everyone would surround the TV and watch the Ed Sullivan Show. 1240 01:10:07,995 --> 01:10:11,078 So for us to be on it the first time was big. 1241 01:10:11,249 --> 01:10:15,083 It was December 27th 1964, I was ten years old, 1242 01:10:15,461 --> 01:10:18,078 and it was a moment that changed my life. 1243 01:10:18,423 --> 01:10:21,711 "Come See About Me" as sung by these girls here, the Supremes. 1244 01:10:21,801 --> 01:10:24,338 Three youngsters from Detroit. Let's hear it for them. 1245 01:10:24,387 --> 01:10:26,173 APPLAUSE 1246 01:10:26,305 --> 01:10:28,922 MUSIC: "Come See About Me" by The Supremes 1247 01:10:32,437 --> 01:10:35,520 ♪ I've been crying (Boo hoo) ♪ 1248 01:10:35,815 --> 01:10:39,149 ♪ Because I'm lonely, for you ♪ 1249 01:10:39,527 --> 01:10:42,861 To do the Ed Sullivan Show meant that you had arrived. 1250 01:10:43,114 --> 01:10:45,981 Of course, we ended up being on there 14 times. 1251 01:10:46,451 --> 01:10:52,663 ♪ That you're never ever gonna return To ease this fire that within me burns ♪ 1252 01:10:52,957 --> 01:10:59,294 ♪ It keeps crying, baby, for you It keeps me sighing, baby, for you ♪ 1253 01:10:59,547 --> 01:11:04,337 ♪ So won't you hurry, come on, boy And see about me ♪ 1254 01:11:04,385 --> 01:11:07,753 ♪ Come see about me See about you, baby ♪ 1255 01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:09,295 ♪ Come see about me ♪ 1256 01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:11,256 When I saw the Supremes on TV that night, 1257 01:11:11,642 --> 01:11:16,352 it was magical to me, because I had never seen black women on television, 1258 01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,167 although we were called "coloured" at the time, 1259 01:11:18,191 --> 01:11:22,276 or anywhere for that matter, who conveyed such glamour and such grace. 1260 01:11:22,570 --> 01:11:27,110 And nobody was used to seeing us portrayed the way I saw the Supremes. 1261 01:11:27,283 --> 01:11:29,845 That's why I missed most of the first song, calling everybody I knew 1262 01:11:29,869 --> 01:11:34,454 saying, "Coloured people on! Coloured people! Coloured people on TV!" 1263 01:11:34,874 --> 01:11:37,457 Have a fine welcome for the Supremes. - CROWD CHEERS 1264 01:11:38,586 --> 01:11:42,580 MUSIC: "You Can't Hurry Love" ♪ I need love, love to ease my mind ♪ 1265 01:11:42,965 --> 01:11:45,297 JAMIE FOXX: You put her on those white shows, 1266 01:11:45,551 --> 01:11:49,795 they could see this black girl coming into white folks' TV screens 1267 01:11:49,931 --> 01:11:51,547 when that wasn't happening. 1268 01:11:51,641 --> 01:11:53,076 Any time you really saw black people 1269 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:55,307 there was something terrible going on, you know? 1270 01:11:55,478 --> 01:11:56,663 MARY WILSON: We were in an era now 1271 01:11:56,687 --> 01:11:59,975 where TV has opened up the borders of the world 1272 01:12:00,483 --> 01:12:04,568 and now they were looking at glamorous, beautiful black faces. 1273 01:12:04,654 --> 01:12:09,069 You know, we were able to understand a culture that had never been seen before 1274 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:14,070 and Mr Gordy put that fairy dust on it that made it palatable to white America. 1275 01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:16,279 He made black chic. 1276 01:12:16,749 --> 01:12:18,205 ♪ That keeps me hanging on ♪ 1277 01:12:18,835 --> 01:12:22,373 ♪ When I feel my strength, yeah, it's almost gone ♪ 1278 01:12:22,463 --> 01:12:23,999 ♪ I remember Mama said ♪ 1279 01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:27,549 - Are you the Supremes? - APPLAUSE 1280 01:12:29,011 --> 01:12:31,673 ADVERTISER: Step into 15,000 watts of lights 1281 01:12:31,764 --> 01:12:37,100 wearing $6,000 worth of silk and sequins and their sound sets the world on fire. 1282 01:12:37,311 --> 01:12:40,804 That's why Diana Ross and the Supremes count on this new deodorant. 1283 01:12:40,898 --> 01:12:42,388 Arrid Extra Dry. 1284 01:12:42,567 --> 01:12:46,481 ROBIN TERRY: The impact that their image had on the black community was profound, 1285 01:12:46,571 --> 01:12:48,482 and that was everything from how they dressed, 1286 01:12:48,573 --> 01:12:52,362 how they performed, to where they were allowed to do these things. 1287 01:12:52,451 --> 01:12:54,317 Those doors that they were able to get into. 1288 01:12:54,412 --> 01:12:57,370 It forced white people and black people to look at each other and say, 1289 01:12:57,415 --> 01:13:00,157 there's a little bit of you in me and a little bit of me in you. 1290 01:13:01,043 --> 01:13:05,503 It was so exciting to hear people talk about their hopes, wishes and dreams 1291 01:13:05,673 --> 01:13:07,755 and to actually see it come true. 1292 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,588 MUSIC: "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" ♪ Ain't no mountain high ♪ 1293 01:13:10,636 --> 01:13:12,377 ♪ Ain't no valley low ♪ 1294 01:13:12,513 --> 01:13:15,175 ♪ Ain't no river wide enough, baby ♪ 1295 01:13:15,349 --> 01:13:19,718 MARY WILSON: We had come from poverty, and now we bought our parents homes. 1296 01:13:19,854 --> 01:13:24,644 This is like, "My daughter is a Supreme." So happy, so proud. 1297 01:13:24,901 --> 01:13:27,142 There were so many artists made famous at Motown. 1298 01:13:27,236 --> 01:13:30,729 All of the talented people would line up and wanted to be a part of Hitsville U.S.A. 1299 01:13:30,823 --> 01:13:33,503 MICHAEL LOVESMITH: The energy at the one building was just so great. 1300 01:13:33,576 --> 01:13:35,863 They would buy one building, then buy another. 1301 01:13:35,953 --> 01:13:39,787 They went from marketing and sales, artist development. It was a win-win. 1302 01:13:41,626 --> 01:13:44,584 ♪ To keep from getting to you, babe ♪ 1303 01:13:44,670 --> 01:13:46,661 BERRY GORDY: And the brand got bigger and bigger, 1304 01:13:46,756 --> 01:13:50,670 and the business got bigger and bigger, and then it went around the world. 1305 01:13:50,885 --> 01:13:54,173 ADAM WHITE: I was 16 years old and there are the Supremes, 1306 01:13:54,388 --> 01:13:57,200 and Martha and the Vandellas and Stevie and the Miracles on stage in front of you. 1307 01:13:57,224 --> 01:13:58,680 You'd die and go to heaven. 1308 01:13:58,809 --> 01:14:01,972 Motown represented the next generation of American music 1309 01:14:02,063 --> 01:14:05,351 in the way the Beatles did it in Britain and then fed into the mainstream. 1310 01:14:05,441 --> 01:14:08,479 PAUL MCCARTNEY: Tamla Motown artists are our favourites. 1311 01:14:08,569 --> 01:14:11,857 The Miracles, Marvin Gaye... - GEORGE: And Mary Wells. 1312 01:14:11,906 --> 01:14:13,026 JOHN LENNON: To name but 80. 1313 01:14:13,866 --> 01:14:15,402 ADAM WHITE: As the '60s unfolded, 1314 01:14:15,493 --> 01:14:19,487 that generation realised they potentially had the power to change everything. 1315 01:14:20,998 --> 01:14:25,708 ♪ Baby, baby, where did our love go? ♪ 1316 01:14:26,003 --> 01:14:28,119 ♪ Ooh, don't... ♪ - RADAR BEEPS 1317 01:14:29,298 --> 01:14:31,505 JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS 1318 01:14:33,552 --> 01:14:36,260 MILLER LONDON: I spoke to one of our accountants in Atlanta 1319 01:14:36,347 --> 01:14:39,840 and he says, "You know, we don't sell any nigger records down here." 1320 01:14:40,184 --> 01:14:43,051 And I said, "Excuse me? Did you sell Diana Ross and the Supremes?" 1321 01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:44,510 "Yeah, they're a big song for us." 1322 01:14:44,605 --> 01:14:46,249 "You sell Smokey Robinson and the Miracles?" 1323 01:14:46,273 --> 01:14:48,640 "Yeah, we sell a lot of that." "What about Stevie Wonder?" 1324 01:14:48,734 --> 01:14:51,567 "Yeah." I says, "Well, surprise! You're selling nigger records.” 1325 01:14:51,737 --> 01:14:54,024 WHITNEY HOUSTON: And Diana, I just thought set a pathway 1326 01:14:54,115 --> 01:14:57,449 for women like me to walk through, you know? I do. 1327 01:14:57,952 --> 01:14:59,238 Berry Gordy did inspire me, 1328 01:14:59,537 --> 01:15:03,075 especially when I decided I wanted to start a record company with my friends. 1329 01:15:03,207 --> 01:15:05,665 We just took that model and did our own thing with it. 1330 01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:09,790 Now, could it ever be as big? No. But this is who we looked up to. 1331 01:15:10,172 --> 01:15:13,665 I'm a 25 year-old white, gay Londoner 1332 01:15:13,759 --> 01:15:18,629 and Motown music has affected me so hugely 1333 01:15:18,723 --> 01:15:22,091 and I couldn't be any further from Detroit. HE LAUGHS 1334 01:15:22,393 --> 01:15:26,808 BERRY GORDY: When our production line really started working, it was phenomenal. 1335 01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:32,480 In 1968, we had five records out of the top ten on the Billboard charts 1336 01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:35,528 with the number one record being "I Heard It Through The Grapevine." 1337 01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:39,657 I knew if we recorded songs over and over again 1338 01:15:39,744 --> 01:15:41,555 on different artists, then they would always be hits. 1339 01:15:41,579 --> 01:15:43,974 The first people to ever record " Heard It Through The Grapevine" 1340 01:15:43,998 --> 01:15:45,113 was the Miracles and me. 1341 01:15:45,499 --> 01:15:48,082 However, the sales department felt it was too bluesy for us. 1342 01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:52,003 They didn't want us to sing that kind of song, so we said, "OK, fine." 1343 01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:54,009 And then he cut it on Gladys Knight and the Pips. 1344 01:15:54,091 --> 01:15:56,753 And it was a smash hit. Even after that. 1345 01:15:56,844 --> 01:16:01,259 No, no. He cut it on Marvin. - No, Marvin was last. 1346 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,286 He recorded it on Marvin after it had been a huge hit on Gladys Knight and the Pips. 1347 01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:06,096 No, no, no. No, that's not true. 1348 01:16:06,312 --> 01:16:07,552 - Want a bet? - Yeah. 1349 01:16:07,646 --> 01:16:10,104 How much? - 1007 1350 01:16:10,191 --> 01:16:12,523 1007 It's a bet. Have you guys got this on tape? 1351 01:16:12,735 --> 01:16:15,898 What happened is, Marvin had recorded it. It had been turned down. 1352 01:16:15,988 --> 01:16:18,821 No. No, not before Gladys Knight and the Pips. 1353 01:16:18,866 --> 01:16:20,652 OK. Where's the phone? Who's got the phone? 1354 01:16:20,743 --> 01:16:22,345 Yeah, not before Gladys Knight and the Pips. 1355 01:16:22,369 --> 01:16:24,906 OK. I need to make a long-distance call. 1356 01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:27,579 ♪ Oooooh ♪ 1357 01:16:27,666 --> 01:16:31,079 NORMAN WHITFIELD: I recorded this song on Marvin Gaye first. 1358 01:16:31,378 --> 01:16:33,836 Like, I brought it in the meeting and I submitted it, 1359 01:16:34,215 --> 01:16:36,297 when, consequently, I lost out. 1360 01:16:36,383 --> 01:16:39,341 ♪ Ooooooh ♪ 1361 01:16:40,137 --> 01:16:43,596 NORMAN WHITFIELD: But this particular song, I would not let die. 1362 01:16:43,682 --> 01:16:48,518 I went to many clubs with Berry, even though I wasn't invited, 1363 01:16:48,687 --> 01:16:52,396 and I hounded him until he was very, very angry with me. 1364 01:16:52,900 --> 01:16:53,900 So ll said... 1365 01:16:57,279 --> 01:16:58,485 So he says... 1366 01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:03,816 CROWD CHEERS 1367 01:17:03,869 --> 01:17:07,407 ♪ I bet you're wonderin' how I knew Baby, baby, baby ♪ 1368 01:17:07,456 --> 01:17:13,327 ♪ 'Bout your plans to make me blue With some other girl you knew before ♪ 1369 01:17:14,046 --> 01:17:16,754 ♪ Between the two of us girls You know I love you more ♪ 1370 01:17:17,383 --> 01:17:22,799 ♪ It took me by surprise I must say When I found out yesterday ♪ 1371 01:17:22,888 --> 01:17:24,783 ♪ Don't you know that I heard it through the grapevine ♪ 1372 01:17:24,807 --> 01:17:26,548 ♪ [ Heard it through the grapevine ♪ 1373 01:17:26,642 --> 01:17:29,555 ♪ Not much longer would you be mine Not much longer would you be mine ♪ 1374 01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:31,581 ♪ Don't you know that I heard it through the grapevine ♪ 1375 01:17:31,605 --> 01:17:32,999 ♪ [ Heard it through the grapevine ♪ 1376 01:17:33,023 --> 01:17:35,890 ♪ Because I'm just about, just about, just about to lose my mind ♪ 1377 01:17:36,235 --> 01:17:38,602 ♪ Oh, yes [ am Oh, yes, oh, yes ♪ 1378 01:17:39,822 --> 01:17:41,529 ♪ Baby, won't you listen to me? ♪ 1379 01:17:42,658 --> 01:17:44,886 NORMAN WHITFIELD: It went to number one on the pop charts 1380 01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:48,073 and Berry looked at me and says, "I don't know what you've got son, but..." 1381 01:17:50,249 --> 01:17:52,957 Now, it was time to put out a Marvin Gaye album, 1382 01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:58,163 so I, in fact, started my campaign once again. 1383 01:17:58,257 --> 01:18:02,592 They said, "Well, I guess he's right. We'll just go ahead and put it in the album." 1384 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,929 And lo and behold, this record was picked out of the album 1385 01:18:06,015 --> 01:18:10,634 and it went on to be the largest song in the history of Motown. 1386 01:18:11,770 --> 01:18:15,434 ♪ Ooh, I bet you're wonderin' how I knew ♪ 1387 01:18:16,483 --> 01:18:19,817 ♪ About your plans to make me blue ♪ 1388 01:18:20,446 --> 01:18:24,030 ♪ With some other guy you knew before ♪ 1389 01:18:24,116 --> 01:18:28,155 ♪ Between the two of us guys You know I love you more ♪ 1390 01:18:28,704 --> 01:18:36,543 ♪ It took me by surprise I must say When I found out yesterday ♪ 1391 01:18:36,629 --> 01:18:40,497 ♪ Don't you know that I heard it through the grapevine ♪ 1392 01:18:41,258 --> 01:18:44,546 ♪ Not much longer would you be mine ♪ 1393 01:18:45,095 --> 01:18:48,133 Two bona fide different versions of the same song. 1394 01:18:48,432 --> 01:18:51,470 It was, like, clever production work as far as I'm concerned, 1395 01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:54,469 because good is good, and great is even better. 1396 01:18:55,397 --> 01:18:56,397 Brenda? 1397 01:18:57,358 --> 01:18:59,190 Alright, look, I'm here with Smokey. 1398 01:18:59,485 --> 01:19:04,821 Tell me, "The Grapevine" record and who recorded it first and what happened? 1399 01:19:05,032 --> 01:19:07,649 I mean, Marvin recorded it after Gladys. That's what I said. 1400 01:19:08,244 --> 01:19:11,327 BRENDA: 1401 01:19:11,664 --> 01:19:15,783 Hey, that's a drag like a dog. That's really a drag, I mean, I hate that. 1402 01:19:15,876 --> 01:19:17,913 BERRY GORDY: I know. OK, Brenda, thank you. 1403 01:19:18,087 --> 01:19:19,498 No, I don't thank you nothing. 1404 01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:22,046 Get off the phone! THEY LAUGH 1405 01:19:22,216 --> 01:19:25,299 MUSIC: "Reach Out (I'll Be There)" by Four Tops 1406 01:19:26,428 --> 01:19:31,764 It's very hard for anybody to go through the cycle of success. 1407 01:19:32,309 --> 01:19:35,301 People treat you differently. You treat people differently. 1408 01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:39,764 My problem was, as their manager, I had to tell them the truth, 1409 01:19:39,858 --> 01:19:45,524 and that was not always easy, and love means building other people 1410 01:19:45,614 --> 01:19:48,072 even when they don't know they need to be built 1411 01:19:48,242 --> 01:19:53,828 and it's the most thankless task that one can endure. 1412 01:19:53,998 --> 01:19:56,226 DIANA ROSS: We had an interesting relationship, Berry and I, 1413 01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,537 because I think we were so very much alike. 1414 01:19:59,169 --> 01:20:00,375 I was much younger, 1415 01:20:00,587 --> 01:20:04,751 and I needed to have my independence and to spread my wings. 1416 01:20:05,134 --> 01:20:07,592 I had figured out... 1417 01:20:08,387 --> 01:20:15,430 that I wanted the Supremes to move from the pop R&B class to standards, 1418 01:20:15,561 --> 01:20:20,556 and I wanted them to be in the class of Lena Horne, Sammy Davis Jr 1419 01:20:20,816 --> 01:20:23,478 and all those people. - INDISTINCT CHATTER 1420 01:20:24,111 --> 01:20:25,818 Then, when she went to Manchester, 1421 01:20:27,489 --> 01:20:32,074 it's when she tried the first time, "You're Nobody Till Somebody Loves You." 1422 01:20:32,244 --> 01:20:40,244 ♪ You're nobody till somebody loves you ♪ 1423 01:20:41,795 --> 01:20:48,963 ♪ You're nobody til somebody cares ♪ 1424 01:20:49,053 --> 01:20:51,197 BERRY GORDY: And she did it, and I thought it was good, you know? 1425 01:20:51,221 --> 01:20:53,337 The crowd didn't like it like they did "Baby Love," 1426 01:20:53,390 --> 01:20:57,008 but they gave nice applause. And so, I came back, 1427 01:20:57,227 --> 01:21:01,266 she said, "I'm not doing it anymore. The audience hated it and so did ll." 1428 01:21:01,357 --> 01:21:03,519 I said, "But I loved it. It was the first time." 1429 01:21:04,026 --> 01:21:07,690 "Well, I hated it and I'm not doing it on the second show." 1430 01:21:08,405 --> 01:21:10,942 Oh, man, now that was a big deal. 1431 01:21:11,033 --> 01:21:14,025 "I'm not doing it. I'm defying you on the second show." 1432 01:21:14,745 --> 01:21:18,909 So, I'm saying all the stuff that I'd built up with her to this point. 1433 01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:22,367 It crumbled, because I knew me, 1434 01:21:23,045 --> 01:21:25,377 and I knew that I could never work with her again 1435 01:21:25,923 --> 01:21:29,882 if she violated our agreement after one show. 1436 01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:35,471 And then when she said, "I'm not gonna let you ruin my career. You or nobody." 1437 01:21:36,016 --> 01:21:37,347 THEY LAUGH 1438 01:21:37,393 --> 01:21:40,761 What? Me? She said, "I'm just not doing it." 1439 01:21:41,063 --> 01:21:45,728 I said, "OK. You decide who you want to satisfy", 1440 01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,819 me or those 700 people out there. 1441 01:21:49,947 --> 01:21:51,654 "Just make up your mind." 1442 01:21:51,949 --> 01:21:54,566 I was very strong and I was proud of myself. 1443 01:21:54,701 --> 01:21:55,782 "You make up your mind." 1444 01:21:56,370 --> 01:22:02,787 She looked at me and said, "OK" and I walked out. 1445 01:22:03,085 --> 01:22:04,701 When I got outside, it hit me. 1446 01:22:05,337 --> 01:22:10,082 All of a sudden, I don't have this star. It's my biggest star in the world. 1447 01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:12,500 What am I gonna do with the rest of my life? 1448 01:22:14,304 --> 01:22:16,887 What am I gonna do with the rest of my life? 1449 01:22:29,111 --> 01:22:31,694 CROWD CHEERS IN THE DISTANCE 1450 01:22:32,823 --> 01:22:35,406 COMPERE: And now, ladies and gentlemen, the Supremes. 1451 01:22:35,492 --> 01:22:37,904 CROWD SCREAMS 1452 01:22:38,036 --> 01:22:43,076 BERRY GORDY: And as she goes out in the unique Diana Ross style, 1453 01:22:43,834 --> 01:22:47,043 she went through most of the show and I was there, 1454 01:22:47,212 --> 01:22:54,676 and all of a sudden, I hear something that sounds like the middle of the song, 1455 01:22:55,471 --> 01:22:56,677 and I think I'm dreaming. 1456 01:22:56,847 --> 01:22:59,430 DIANA ROSS' VOICE ECHOES: ♪ Till somebody loves you ♪ 1457 01:23:00,476 --> 01:23:02,342 ♪ You're nobody... ♪ 1458 01:23:02,728 --> 01:23:05,623 BERRY GORDY: I'm looking and I'm saying, "Oh, that's what I'd like for her to say." 1459 01:23:05,647 --> 01:23:08,560 ll mean, it was just this kind of surreal feeling, 1460 01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:13,486 and then she was singing it in full blast. 1461 01:23:13,906 --> 01:23:17,490 ♪ Whilst you're growing old The world is still the same ♪ 1462 01:23:17,576 --> 01:23:18,862 ♪ You'll never change it ♪ 1463 01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:22,953 And then, you know, my life was back. 1464 01:23:23,499 --> 01:23:25,831 SMOKEY LAUGHS - No, my life had left. 1465 01:23:26,293 --> 01:23:31,504 ♪ You're nobody till somebody loves you ♪ 1466 01:23:31,715 --> 01:23:35,834 ♪ So, find yourself somebody to love ♪ 1467 01:23:37,137 --> 01:23:38,137 ♪ You're nobody... ♪ 1468 01:23:38,180 --> 01:23:40,387 And as she came out of the thing, 1469 01:23:40,807 --> 01:23:43,299 the other girls went by and I congratulated them, 1470 01:23:43,393 --> 01:23:45,134 but Diana just kept walking. 1471 01:23:45,812 --> 01:23:48,850 I said, "But Diana, I'm really so happy" 1472 01:23:49,191 --> 01:23:51,774 because I know she had to do some thinking too, 1473 01:23:51,985 --> 01:23:55,523 and she just stopped for a moment and said, "I did it for you." 1474 01:23:56,198 --> 01:23:59,862 And she walked on and, you know... 1475 01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,323 ♪ The world is still is the same You'll never change it ♪ 1476 01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:04,703 ♪ Never never change it ♪ 1477 01:24:05,499 --> 01:24:07,831 BERRY: I was stuck there, and she did it for me. 1478 01:24:08,627 --> 01:24:12,416 Golly, you know, she did it for me. 1479 01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:15,293 It was in that moment that I realised 1480 01:24:15,384 --> 01:24:19,594 our relationship had changed to something... different. 1481 01:24:20,138 --> 01:24:21,424 ♪ To love ♪ 1482 01:24:21,723 --> 01:24:25,637 ♪ The world's the same, we'll always remain And you'll never change it ♪ 1483 01:24:26,019 --> 01:24:28,511 ♪ Qoooh, find yourself... ♪ 1484 01:24:28,689 --> 01:24:30,851 BERRY GORDY: When people say Motown was a family, 1485 01:24:31,358 --> 01:24:34,316 they have no idea that Motown was really a family. 1486 01:24:34,778 --> 01:24:36,394 You know, we had close relationships. 1487 01:24:36,863 --> 01:24:41,573 You know, Diana and I had a love affair. Marvin married my sister. 1488 01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:46,871 The love and family atmosphere at Motown defined the company, 1489 01:24:46,999 --> 01:24:50,993 but it made things, at times, very complicated. 1490 01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:56,247 COACH K: When you first start, it's a passion thing, right? 1491 01:24:56,550 --> 01:25:00,839 And then, once you start having some success or you get famous, 1492 01:25:01,638 --> 01:25:03,675 then all this other stuff comes with it. 1493 01:25:03,724 --> 01:25:05,840 Sharks is coming all the time, you know? 1494 01:25:05,934 --> 01:25:07,470 They're coming from everywhere, man. 1495 01:25:07,561 --> 01:25:09,143 There's a lot of smoke being blown. 1496 01:25:09,646 --> 01:25:12,479 It's wild, because this is a very wild business, you know? 1497 01:25:12,566 --> 01:25:13,852 It's like the wild, wild west. 1498 01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:17,977 BERRY GORDY: Now, Holland and Dozier leaving Motown 1499 01:25:18,071 --> 01:25:21,689 was not a major surprise to me. 1500 01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:26,699 I saw it coming, because they were so great, they had so many hits. 1501 01:25:26,955 --> 01:25:30,619 The friction with Holland-Dozier-Holland was personal. 1502 01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:36,546 Berry always found himself trying to give me that which I wanted. 1503 01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,081 I wanted more of this, I wanted a higher royalty. 1504 01:25:39,134 --> 01:25:40,134 "OK, give him that." 1505 01:25:40,385 --> 01:25:44,253 So, when I came to him with, I don't know what it was, 1506 01:25:44,348 --> 01:25:46,635 some label or something, whatever. 1507 01:25:46,725 --> 01:25:47,931 He told it this way. 1508 01:25:48,185 --> 01:25:52,474 "If I give you that label, you'll stop working for Motown" 1509 01:25:52,564 --> 01:25:55,773 and start working on that label cos that's the way that you are.” 1510 01:25:55,859 --> 01:25:58,476 I said, "No, we won't." He said, "Yes, you will. I know you." 1511 01:25:58,528 --> 01:26:01,566 You know, and sometimes it's just about principle. 1512 01:26:02,658 --> 01:26:04,945 It's wrong and I can't deal with it, you know? 1513 01:26:04,993 --> 01:26:09,658 I may lose money, I may lose this and that, but I can't deal with the principle. 1514 01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:11,071 EDDIE HOLLAND: Berry told me, 1515 01:26:11,166 --> 01:26:15,581 "You go look and check it out and see if you're more valuable to me" 1516 01:26:15,671 --> 01:26:17,332 than you would be to another company.” 1517 01:26:17,798 --> 01:26:22,508 What the other company did end up offering me, I knew he couldn't meet. 1518 01:26:22,844 --> 01:26:28,135 It's easy to make anybody feel that they deserve more than they're getting. 1519 01:26:28,225 --> 01:26:29,886 Oh, we made $4 million last year. 1520 01:26:29,976 --> 01:26:31,616 That was great. You should have made ten. 1521 01:26:32,062 --> 01:26:35,555 EDDIE HOLLAND: And then the lawyers get involved, you might as well forget it. 1522 01:26:38,110 --> 01:26:42,525 BERRY GORDY: We lost three of our best writers at the peak of their success, 1523 01:26:42,698 --> 01:26:46,987 and many people thought we would not make it without Holland-Dozier-Holland. 1524 01:26:47,411 --> 01:26:48,471 MARY WILSON: We were worried, 1525 01:26:48,495 --> 01:26:51,829 because we had only really worked with Holland-Dozier-Holland at that point. 1526 01:26:51,915 --> 01:26:54,327 So it was a big loss for us. 1527 01:26:54,876 --> 01:26:58,039 DUKE FAKIR: That was like breaking up with your old lady. 1528 01:26:58,463 --> 01:26:59,749 I mean, that's the way we felt. 1529 01:26:59,965 --> 01:27:01,626 What happens is when you depend so much 1530 01:27:01,717 --> 01:27:05,005 upon a particular writer or writers of a company, 1531 01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:08,633 you begin to get a particular thing just from these writers. 1532 01:27:08,724 --> 01:27:11,716 And when the writers split and feel they can do better somewhere else, 1533 01:27:11,893 --> 01:27:16,308 I think that, then, you have to realise the talents of the artist. 1534 01:27:16,690 --> 01:27:19,978 BERRY GORDY: On Stevie's 21st birthday, I had this big party for him. 1535 01:27:20,110 --> 01:27:21,475 Everything was so great. 1536 01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:28,863 And the next day, I got this letter from his attorney saying that he had turned 21 1537 01:27:29,202 --> 01:27:33,571 and he wanted to re-organise his whole deal with me. 1538 01:27:33,707 --> 01:27:35,539 MUSIC: "All In Love Is Fair" by Stevie Wonder 1539 01:27:35,584 --> 01:27:41,079 ♪ All is fair in love ♪ 1540 01:27:41,214 --> 01:27:43,251 He was saying, like, "Why, why did you do this?" 1541 01:27:43,341 --> 01:27:46,800 And I said, "You know, I want to do it the way I want to, I'm gonna do it," 1542 01:27:47,637 --> 01:27:52,302 and I felt, musically, I didn't want to stay in a particular kind of box. 1543 01:27:52,392 --> 01:27:54,120 BERRY GORDY: And I said, "Oh my goodness," you know? 1544 01:27:54,144 --> 01:27:57,887 Other artists had left. I was petrified. 1545 01:27:59,691 --> 01:28:00,931 There comes a time in life 1546 01:28:01,026 --> 01:28:02,892 when you've got to do what you've got to do. 1547 01:28:03,403 --> 01:28:09,740 ♪ All is fair in love ♪ 1548 01:28:09,993 --> 01:28:15,204 ♪ 1 had to go away ♪ 1549 01:28:16,958 --> 01:28:18,995 ♪ A writer takes his pen ♪ 1550 01:28:19,503 --> 01:28:21,335 We'd gone to a few different companies, 1551 01:28:21,421 --> 01:28:27,258 but I think because of the love and the respect that we had for each other, 1552 01:28:27,344 --> 01:28:32,009 meaning Berry and myself, that it felt home. 1553 01:28:32,182 --> 01:28:33,618 BERRY GORDY: But when I talked to Stevie, 1554 01:28:33,642 --> 01:28:37,010 he wanted changes and he wanted full control of everything. 1555 01:28:37,521 --> 01:28:42,516 I felt that he had grown and he was one of the greatest artists around 1556 01:28:42,609 --> 01:28:45,818 and so I was forced to relent to his demands. 1557 01:28:46,238 --> 01:28:48,275 There was a lot of decisions that I've made, 1558 01:28:48,490 --> 01:28:52,654 I can't say that was the best, but it was certainly up there. 1559 01:28:52,994 --> 01:28:56,237 MUSIC: "Superstition" by Stevie Wonder 1560 01:28:57,249 --> 01:28:59,616 He came out under these new arrangements 1561 01:28:59,709 --> 01:29:03,418 with some of the most brilliant music of his whole career, 1562 01:29:03,713 --> 01:29:06,455 and I was extremely proud of Stevie, 1563 01:29:06,633 --> 01:29:11,127 his loyalty and his ability to take Motown to even greater heights. 1564 01:29:11,221 --> 01:29:17,263 ♪ Very superstitious, writing's on the wall ♪ 1565 01:29:19,646 --> 01:29:23,139 ♪ Very superstitious... ♪ - Stevie Wonder! 1566 01:29:23,358 --> 01:29:25,565 CROWD CHEERS ♪ Ladder's about to fall ♪ 1567 01:29:25,777 --> 01:29:27,768 Stevie Wonder, Stevie Wonder! 1568 01:29:28,113 --> 01:29:29,113 Stevie Wonder. 1569 01:29:29,281 --> 01:29:31,147 CROWD CHEERS 1570 01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:34,613 I believe that Stevie is the greatest solo artist of all time. 1571 01:29:35,495 --> 01:29:39,454 In any genre, I think Stevie is the one. He's the greatest. 1572 01:29:40,208 --> 01:29:43,997 SMOKEY ROBINSON: If you listen to his music, it's jazz, it's gospel, it's pop. 1573 01:29:44,337 --> 01:29:45,337 It's everything. 1574 01:29:45,463 --> 01:29:49,331 Stevie Wonder is one of the most talented people ever, and I mean for all of life. 1575 01:29:49,718 --> 01:29:53,507 ♪ That you don't understand Then you suffer ♪ 1576 01:29:55,056 --> 01:29:57,263 ♪ Superstition ain't the way ♪ 1577 01:29:58,268 --> 01:29:59,758 ♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey ♪ 1578 01:29:59,978 --> 01:30:02,515 STEVIE WONDER: Berry wanted the best for the artist. 1579 01:30:02,731 --> 01:30:04,438 You know, the challenge is... 1580 01:30:04,524 --> 01:30:10,236 obviously is in proving himself right or us proving him wrong. 1581 01:30:10,488 --> 01:30:12,650 But at the end of the day, we all win. 1582 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:16,237 MUSIC: "You Keep Me Hanging On" by The Supremes 1583 01:30:19,789 --> 01:30:22,952 I always had the feeling if you don't keep up with the times, 1584 01:30:23,043 --> 01:30:25,956 if you don't innovate, you stagnate. 1585 01:30:26,546 --> 01:30:32,838 There was always, in him, the appreciation of the next step. 1586 01:30:33,678 --> 01:30:37,046 Wait! Wait! Boys, I want to sign you up. 1587 01:30:37,307 --> 01:30:39,093 CROWD CHEERS 1588 01:30:39,184 --> 01:30:43,143 [MUSIC: "] Want You Back" by Jackson 5 1589 01:30:46,024 --> 01:30:50,814 ♪ Uh-oh, oh-oh Let me tell you now ♪ 1590 01:30:50,862 --> 01:30:53,229 ♪ Uh huh ♪ 1591 01:30:55,533 --> 01:30:59,447 ♪ When I had you to myself I didn't want you around ♪ 1592 01:30:59,829 --> 01:31:03,367 ♪ Those pretty faces always made you Stand out in a crowd ♪ 1593 01:31:03,458 --> 01:31:04,994 I remember signing with Motown 1594 01:31:05,043 --> 01:31:07,375 and all the kids around our neighbourhood in Gary, Indiana, 1595 01:31:07,462 --> 01:31:10,875 they didn't believe us, cos it took a while for us to make our first record. 1596 01:31:10,924 --> 01:31:13,131 When it came out, it was like a machine. Boom! 1597 01:31:13,426 --> 01:31:17,715 ♪ Oh, darling, all I need is one more chance To show you that I love you ♪ 1598 01:31:18,098 --> 01:31:22,183 ♪ Won't you please let me Back in your heart ♪ 1599 01:31:22,602 --> 01:31:26,812 ♪ Oh, darling, I was blind to let you go Let you go, baby ♪ 1600 01:31:26,898 --> 01:31:29,731 ♪ But now since I see you ♪ 1601 01:31:29,943 --> 01:31:32,184 VALERIE SIMPSON: It was the first time that black kids 1602 01:31:32,278 --> 01:31:35,521 had a young group that was fabulous, you know? 1603 01:31:35,657 --> 01:31:39,491 They had, you know, screaming little girls in pigtails and afros. 1604 01:31:39,828 --> 01:31:41,785 Just when we thought we understood something 1605 01:31:41,871 --> 01:31:43,453 with the Supremes and the Temptations, 1606 01:31:43,540 --> 01:31:47,408 Mr Gordy took us to another level with the Jackson Five. 1607 01:31:47,961 --> 01:31:51,204 Can you think of a black group who had their own cartoon series? 1608 01:31:51,464 --> 01:31:52,829 That's mind boggling. 1609 01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,211 ♪ Following the girl ♪ 1610 01:31:55,468 --> 01:31:57,948 SUZANNE DE PASSE: I think he saw the power of television early. 1611 01:31:58,096 --> 01:32:04,058 Berry Gordy realised if he wanted his artists to become global superstars, 1612 01:32:04,144 --> 01:32:05,885 then television was the way to do that. 1613 01:32:06,771 --> 01:32:08,666 BERRY GORDY: We wanted movies, television, Broadway. 1614 01:32:08,690 --> 01:32:11,148 I wanted everything for the artist that they could do. 1615 01:32:11,484 --> 01:32:15,523 Now that they're as big as they can be in Detroit, I want to take them to Hollywood. 1616 01:32:15,822 --> 01:32:18,564 He always was pushing that envelope. 1617 01:32:18,658 --> 01:32:21,946 I mean, soon after that it was "Lady Sings The Blues" with Diana Ross. 1618 01:32:22,162 --> 01:32:24,995 JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS 1619 01:32:27,625 --> 01:32:29,161 BERRY GORDY: I moved out of Detroit, 1620 01:32:29,294 --> 01:32:31,956 because I wanted to be in the movie business 1621 01:32:32,172 --> 01:32:36,507 and I wanted to make strides in areas that Detroit couldn't offer me. 1622 01:32:36,634 --> 01:32:40,673 My creative talents could be wide open, there was nothing that I couldn't do. 1623 01:32:40,972 --> 01:32:43,464 SHELLY BERGER: So, we became a totally different company. 1624 01:32:43,558 --> 01:32:47,973 We went from a record company to an entertainment conglomerate. 1625 01:32:48,605 --> 01:32:51,222 I was the biggest protestor about moving to LA, man. 1626 01:32:51,316 --> 01:32:55,355 I told Berry, "No, we cannot move to LA, man. Detroit is our home." 1627 01:32:55,570 --> 01:32:58,278 There was no in-house studio anymore. 1628 01:32:58,656 --> 01:33:00,488 That was the big factor. 1629 01:33:00,617 --> 01:33:04,406 Heck, man, I started sending Berry books on earthquakes and smog. 1630 01:33:04,496 --> 01:33:07,284 I did. I really did! You know what? But we did. 1631 01:33:07,373 --> 01:33:11,833 We moved out there cos he's innovative, and he saw what I didn't see. 1632 01:33:12,045 --> 01:33:14,412 It was a dream, a dream has no limits, you know? 1633 01:33:14,756 --> 01:33:16,042 And we used to always say, 1634 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,168 "The sky is not the limit, the sky is the first stop," you know? 1635 01:33:20,553 --> 01:33:23,136 BLUES MUSIC PLAYS 1636 01:33:26,184 --> 01:33:29,097 BERRY GORDY: The world was changing, the music business was changing, 1637 01:33:29,187 --> 01:33:32,100 the artists were changing, they all had their own ideas, 1638 01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:35,728 and then you have to make a decision as to how you want to deal with it. 1639 01:33:36,194 --> 01:33:40,654 We came from this time of, "Wow, black is beautiful." 1640 01:33:40,740 --> 01:33:43,653 We can go out and be on stage and look fabulous, 1641 01:33:43,868 --> 01:33:47,327 and then you got into that social climate change. 1642 01:33:47,497 --> 01:33:49,257 BERRY GORDY: You know what we came up with... 1643 01:33:49,415 --> 01:33:50,530 - Cloud nine. - Cloud nine, 1644 01:33:50,834 --> 01:33:54,418 and I said, wait a minute. "I'm getting high. I mean, I'm doing fine..." 1645 01:33:54,504 --> 01:33:56,541 Up here on cloud nine." - Up here on cloud nine. 1646 01:33:56,714 --> 01:33:59,297 You thought it was promoting drugs. - Yeah. 1647 01:33:59,717 --> 01:34:01,708 ♪ I'm doing fine ♪ 1648 01:34:01,928 --> 01:34:04,090 ♪ Up here on cloud nine ♪ 1649 01:34:04,180 --> 01:34:08,469 ♪ Listen one more time I'm doin' fine ♪ 1650 01:34:08,768 --> 01:34:13,137 I said, "No, we can't be a company that promotes drugs. We can't have that." 1651 01:34:13,231 --> 01:34:16,144 And so I said, you know, "How many say it's not a hit?" 1652 01:34:16,234 --> 01:34:18,817 You know, and I was the only one to raise my hand. 1653 01:34:18,862 --> 01:34:20,102 THEY LAUGH 1654 01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:22,146 It was the first Grammy. 1655 01:34:22,782 --> 01:34:26,525 Got a gold record for it, and then we go on "Psychedelic Soul." 1656 01:34:26,703 --> 01:34:28,159 It's like culture shock. 1657 01:34:28,246 --> 01:34:30,863 Wait, what the hell are the Temps doing now, you know? 1658 01:34:31,082 --> 01:34:32,476 BERRY GORDY: And that also told me something, 1659 01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:35,959 well, society is going in a very strange direction. 1660 01:34:36,296 --> 01:34:38,628 I don't want to glamourise getting high, 1661 01:34:38,715 --> 01:34:43,380 but obviously the public wanted it and they made me seem wrong. 1662 01:34:43,553 --> 01:34:49,299 But I didn't like compromising my values on that particular record. 1663 01:34:49,559 --> 01:34:54,804 Things were moving fast and changing, and so maybe he had a kind of vision. 1664 01:34:55,231 --> 01:34:59,646 It was a safe one, but the talent of these different artists and the songs they wrote, 1665 01:34:59,986 --> 01:35:01,772 they were looking at what was going on 1666 01:35:02,071 --> 01:35:06,315 and they felt it was time to move forward and encourage the world to be better. 1667 01:35:06,868 --> 01:35:09,326 INTERVIEWER: Do you feel that entertainers such as yourself 1668 01:35:09,412 --> 01:35:13,076 should become more involved in the black man's problems today? 1669 01:35:13,166 --> 01:35:15,436 SMOKEY ROBINSON: Well, we are involved because we're black men, 1670 01:35:15,460 --> 01:35:18,828 so we're involved automatically, whether or not we want to be, we're involved, 1671 01:35:18,922 --> 01:35:23,917 and I think that it's a good thing if you get in that position to speak out... 1672 01:35:24,010 --> 01:35:26,447 INTERVIEWER: This is what I was gonna say. - And just say what you think of it. 1673 01:35:26,471 --> 01:35:29,964 BERRY GORDY: The Black Power organisations were proud of me, 1674 01:35:30,058 --> 01:35:35,144 but yet against me, because I was this company that only did love songs 1675 01:35:35,230 --> 01:35:40,816 and songs of faith and hope and duty. 1676 01:35:40,985 --> 01:35:43,818 So, we didn't cross the line, in my opinion. 1677 01:35:44,113 --> 01:35:47,105 The songs just changed because the world was changing. 1678 01:35:47,408 --> 01:35:48,523 We changed. 1679 01:35:48,785 --> 01:35:51,180 We had a different understanding of what was really going on. 1680 01:35:51,204 --> 01:35:53,195 We wanted somebody to tell us about that. 1681 01:35:53,289 --> 01:35:56,577 OTIS WILLIAMS: Coming from "The Sound of Young America" to "Psychedelic Soul," 1682 01:35:56,709 --> 01:35:59,246 it was indicative of the times that we were living 1683 01:35:59,337 --> 01:36:01,732 and we were just singing about what was happening in the world. 1684 01:36:01,756 --> 01:36:03,872 MUSIC: "Ball of Confusion" by The Temptations 1685 01:36:04,050 --> 01:36:08,590 ♪ Well, the only person talking about love my brother is the preacher ♪ 1686 01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,842 It was a horrific time. Detroit was on fire. 1687 01:36:11,182 --> 01:36:15,176 ♪ Nobody's interested in learning but the teacher ♪ 1688 01:36:15,311 --> 01:36:17,143 SHELLY BERGER: ll remember a line of tanks 1689 01:36:17,230 --> 01:36:20,473 coming down West Grand Boulevard, it was like I was in a different country. 1690 01:36:20,692 --> 01:36:23,559 ♪ Aggravation, humiliation, obligation to our nation ♪ 1691 01:36:23,653 --> 01:36:27,988 ♪ Ball of confusion ♪ 1692 01:36:29,617 --> 01:36:31,449 ♪ That's what the world is today ♪ 1693 01:36:31,661 --> 01:36:34,073 JAMIE FOXX: That's a hard time for people who's doing music 1694 01:36:34,163 --> 01:36:37,531 when there's blood on the streets, when there's civil unrest. 1695 01:36:38,084 --> 01:36:40,542 When you believe in something very strongly 1696 01:36:40,628 --> 01:36:44,166 and you feel in your soul that it's time for that to be said, 1697 01:36:44,257 --> 01:36:47,420 how can you not want to break through and make that happen? 1698 01:36:47,844 --> 01:36:50,176 And so, you realise the power of your voice 1699 01:36:50,263 --> 01:36:52,721 and what it means to the world. 1700 01:36:52,807 --> 01:36:55,687 Not just to blacks, but to whites and to anybody that's listening to you. 1701 01:36:56,352 --> 01:37:00,471 MARVIN GAYE: I think it was around 1969 or 1970 1702 01:37:00,606 --> 01:37:04,224 when I stopped thinking so much about my erotic fantasies 1703 01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:09,314 and I just started to think about the war in Vietnam and my brother. 1704 01:37:10,658 --> 01:37:14,777 I became quite affected by it and, at the same time, 1705 01:37:14,871 --> 01:37:16,782 there was a great deal of unrest in America. 1706 01:37:17,165 --> 01:37:20,203 ADAM WHITE: Marvin was a good-looking guy, he was a ladies' man. 1707 01:37:20,293 --> 01:37:24,207 Being a protest singer was not Berry's idea of a good thing for Marvin. 1708 01:37:24,422 --> 01:37:26,038 We created stuff in Motown 1709 01:37:26,132 --> 01:37:30,547 where we would, say, you have freedom within restriction, you know? 1710 01:37:30,803 --> 01:37:34,546 I mean, I'm not gonna tell you anything that you're gonna do between here and here, 1711 01:37:35,016 --> 01:37:37,758 but when you get past there, I've got to stop you. 1712 01:37:37,852 --> 01:37:43,473 I had to fight for my creative freedom, 1713 01:37:43,566 --> 01:37:49,027 you know, my artistic freedom, my right to produce, my right to write. 1714 01:37:49,322 --> 01:37:52,986 Marvin was working on something. I didn't know what he was working on. 1715 01:37:53,242 --> 01:37:57,031 I talk with him in the understanding that there were boundaries, 1716 01:37:57,121 --> 01:37:59,783 but he said, "No. I'm gonna do this the way that I see it." 1717 01:38:00,208 --> 01:38:05,874 Him doing all of those vocals and the layering and the sound of it, 1718 01:38:05,963 --> 01:38:08,204 he had found the place in himself. 1719 01:38:08,383 --> 01:38:12,047 MUSIC: "What's Going On" by Marvin Gaye 1720 01:38:18,935 --> 01:38:22,178 ♪ Oh, mother, mother ♪ 1721 01:38:23,147 --> 01:38:27,562 ♪ There's too many of you crying ♪ 1722 01:38:29,404 --> 01:38:31,566 ♪ Brother, brother, brother ♪ 1723 01:38:32,615 --> 01:38:36,859 ♪ There's far too many of you dying ♪ 1724 01:38:37,662 --> 01:38:41,030 ♪ You know we've got to find a way ♪ 1725 01:38:42,500 --> 01:38:46,209 ♪ To bring some loving here today ♪ 1726 01:38:46,379 --> 01:38:50,919 ♪ Yeah, father, father ♪ 1727 01:38:51,926 --> 01:38:55,385 ♪ We don't need to escalate ♪ 1728 01:38:56,889 --> 01:39:04,889 ♪ See, war is not the answer For only love can conquer hate ♪ 1729 01:39:06,065 --> 01:39:09,649 ♪ You know we've got to find a way ♪ 1730 01:39:10,778 --> 01:39:16,364 ♪ To bring some loving here today, oh ♪ 1731 01:39:16,826 --> 01:39:20,615 ♪ Picket lines and picket signs ♪ 1732 01:39:21,122 --> 01:39:25,161 ♪ Don't punish me with brutality ♪ 1733 01:39:26,294 --> 01:39:31,664 ♪ Talk to me, so you can see Oh, what's going on ♪ 1734 01:39:31,757 --> 01:39:32,792 ♪ What's going on ♪ 1735 01:39:33,009 --> 01:39:34,750 ♪ What's going on What's going on ♪ 1736 01:39:34,844 --> 01:39:39,304 ♪ Hell, what's going on, what's going on Oh, what's going on, what's going on ♪ 1737 01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:41,597 ♪ Oh ♪ 1738 01:39:42,894 --> 01:39:44,134 ♪ Right on, baby ♪ 1739 01:39:45,354 --> 01:39:49,063 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 1740 01:39:50,109 --> 01:39:53,773 ♪ Woo! Right on, baby, right on ♪ 1741 01:39:54,697 --> 01:39:58,816 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ 1742 01:40:00,036 --> 01:40:03,074 ♪ Bip, bip, bip, boop ♪ 1743 01:40:03,623 --> 01:40:08,743 The value of what he was writing was so artistic. 1744 01:40:09,170 --> 01:40:12,913 His production was brilliant and he would sing with himself 1745 01:40:13,174 --> 01:40:15,757 and we recorded Marvin on top of Marvin on top of Marvin, 1746 01:40:16,511 --> 01:40:20,300 but I was against him writing about trigger happy police 1747 01:40:20,389 --> 01:40:24,553 and stuff about the world, Vietnam and this and that and so forth. 1748 01:40:24,894 --> 01:40:26,259 I said, "Well, we can't do that." 1749 01:40:26,562 --> 01:40:28,415 VALERIE SIMPSON: I couldn't believe that sat on a shelf 1750 01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:30,555 because Motown was kind of afraid of it. 1751 01:40:31,108 --> 01:40:33,629 They didn't think people could deal with all those issues, you know? 1752 01:40:33,653 --> 01:40:37,237 They wanted to keep it light and fluffy, but he had hit the vein. 1753 01:40:37,323 --> 01:40:38,654 He had hit the real thing. 1754 01:40:40,243 --> 01:40:41,153 I was just concerned 1755 01:40:41,244 --> 01:40:44,987 about getting off track with the Motown brand 1756 01:40:45,790 --> 01:40:46,951 and I was not always right, 1757 01:40:46,999 --> 01:40:51,163 and this is one case where Marvin came back and threw it in my face, 1758 01:40:51,254 --> 01:40:53,086 you know, that, "Hey, you taught us this." 1759 01:40:53,172 --> 01:40:56,915 You told us, you know, look at what's happening. 1760 01:40:57,051 --> 01:40:58,051 Write what you feel. 1761 01:40:58,135 --> 01:41:00,467 And I got a brother in Vietnam, man, you don't understand. 1762 01:41:00,555 --> 01:41:02,762 And the pollution out there, you know, 1763 01:41:02,848 --> 01:41:05,840 and that's the truth and you've always said to do that, 1764 01:41:06,060 --> 01:41:07,642 "so what are you talking about?" 1765 01:41:07,728 --> 01:41:15,146 So I'm saying, "Well, you know... yeah, well, I can't really disagree with you on that." 1766 01:41:15,528 --> 01:41:23,528 ♪ Mother, mother, everybody thinks we're wrong, they do ♪ 1767 01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:32,413 ♪ Oh, but who are they to judge us Simply because our hair is long ♪ 1768 01:41:32,795 --> 01:41:38,256 ♪ People you, you, you know We've got to find a way ♪ 1769 01:41:38,843 --> 01:41:43,838 ♪ To bring some understanding here today ♪ 1770 01:41:44,974 --> 01:41:52,974 ♪ Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality ♪ 1771 01:41:53,983 --> 01:41:58,352 ♪ Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me So you can see ♪ 1772 01:41:58,946 --> 01:42:03,156 ♪ What's going on What's going on ♪ 1773 01:42:03,367 --> 01:42:07,736 ♪ Hell, what's going on I want to know what's going on ♪ 1774 01:42:07,955 --> 01:42:08,955 Alright. 1775 01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:12,283 SMOKEY ROBINSON: I could not possibly tell you what my favourite song is. 1776 01:42:13,210 --> 01:42:17,454 My favourite album is "What's Going On." It's my favourite album of all time. 1777 01:42:17,548 --> 01:42:20,336 I haven't heard anything before that or since then 1778 01:42:21,010 --> 01:42:24,219 that takes the place of that being my favourite album. 1779 01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:29,265 Marvin was correct. God did write it. His prophesy. 1780 01:42:29,894 --> 01:42:32,682 It's more poignant today than it was when it came out. 1781 01:42:33,397 --> 01:42:35,167 JAMIE FOXX: Well, you could play that here on the streets 1782 01:42:35,191 --> 01:42:37,853 when we're having all of the shootings. 1783 01:42:37,943 --> 01:42:39,854 You could play that song right now, it's needed. 1784 01:42:39,945 --> 01:42:41,590 You know, maybe that'll make us, like, you know, 1785 01:42:41,614 --> 01:42:44,276 take a couple of steps back and treat people a little better. 1786 01:42:45,409 --> 01:42:47,571 LEE DANIELS: Mr Gordy had a very specific vision. 1787 01:42:47,662 --> 01:42:50,950 We weren't gonna talk politics cos we were gonna keep it commercial 1788 01:42:51,165 --> 01:42:52,997 and then it becomes out of your control. 1789 01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:57,244 These artists that he created were developing and growing his company 1790 01:42:57,922 --> 01:43:00,380 into places that he didn't even think that he could take it. 1791 01:43:00,716 --> 01:43:03,629 You can have the greatest assembly line in the world, 1792 01:43:03,761 --> 01:43:06,503 but people are not cars, 1793 01:43:06,972 --> 01:43:13,469 and eventually, they are going to express themselves outside of the system. 1794 01:43:13,729 --> 01:43:16,812 STEVIE WONDER: They saw, say, my career or Marvin's career 1795 01:43:16,899 --> 01:43:20,233 in a certain kind of way and we said, "No, we don't see that." 1796 01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:21,525 We want to do it differently.” 1797 01:43:21,987 --> 01:43:23,728 And as far as me and my life, 1798 01:43:24,115 --> 01:43:28,234 it was just evolving from one step to the next and learning, 1799 01:43:28,452 --> 01:43:32,241 and not being stuck on any idea that didn't make sense. 1800 01:43:33,290 --> 01:43:39,787 I now have felt that the idea of reflecting the world was not a bad idea at all. 1801 01:43:41,006 --> 01:43:42,667 NELSON MANDELA: When we were in prison, 1802 01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:50,673 we appreciated and avidly listened to the sound of Detroit Motortown. 1803 01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:52,431 CROWD CHEERS 1804 01:43:52,518 --> 01:43:56,227 Today, in a time where things are sort of turbulent in the world, 1805 01:43:56,731 --> 01:44:02,101 the challenge is to again be the loudest bell that you hear ringing 1806 01:44:02,194 --> 01:44:05,778 that will encourage people to do and be better. 1807 01:44:06,073 --> 01:44:08,781 Can't seem to agree on what we all want to hear anymore, 1808 01:44:09,326 --> 01:44:13,411 and we don't realise that we need music that speaks to our hearts, 1809 01:44:13,706 --> 01:44:16,289 SO we can say, "Ah yeah, that's the way I feel." 1810 01:44:17,334 --> 01:44:18,699 BARACK OBAMA: Now, over the years, 1811 01:44:18,753 --> 01:44:22,246 this room has hosted some of the most talented musicians in the world, 1812 01:44:22,339 --> 01:44:24,250 from classical to country. 1813 01:44:25,009 --> 01:44:27,091 But Motown is different. 1814 01:44:27,678 --> 01:44:30,966 Born at a time of so much struggle, so much strife, 1815 01:44:31,724 --> 01:44:36,139 it taught us that what unites us will always be stronger than what divides us. 1816 01:44:36,395 --> 01:44:40,104 So today, more than 50 years later, that's the Motown legacy. 1817 01:44:41,025 --> 01:44:43,062 You could start something with nothing 1818 01:44:43,486 --> 01:44:46,399 that ends up being internationally something. 1819 01:44:47,531 --> 01:44:52,241 Yes, it's... Motown is a great example of the American dream. 1820 01:44:52,578 --> 01:44:56,367 NEIL YOUNG: I think the Motown legacy is just the culture. 1821 01:44:56,457 --> 01:44:58,789 It's part of the culture of the United States. 1822 01:44:58,834 --> 01:45:01,917 It's not just black culture. It's the country, it's everybody. 1823 01:45:03,422 --> 01:45:06,335 MICKEY STEVENSON: It was all a divine movement for a purpose, 1824 01:45:06,425 --> 01:45:10,384 to let other kinds of people know you don't have to suffer under the system, 1825 01:45:10,763 --> 01:45:14,631 create for yourself, and so Motown became a model. 1826 01:45:17,895 --> 01:45:21,604 ROBIN TERRY: People come from all over this planet 1827 01:45:21,899 --> 01:45:25,563 to visit this little house, Hitsville U.S.A. in Detroit, 1828 01:45:25,820 --> 01:45:29,859 because this music made its way across the globe 1829 01:45:30,741 --> 01:45:34,325 and this music represented the fabric of their lives 1830 01:45:34,411 --> 01:45:36,573 in the same way it did for those of us in Detroit. 1831 01:45:36,831 --> 01:45:38,868 STEVIE WONDER: I celebrate a time in space 1832 01:45:39,124 --> 01:45:41,456 as a little kid who didn't really understand it, 1833 01:45:41,544 --> 01:45:44,662 but the older I got, the more I can appreciate 1834 01:45:45,130 --> 01:45:50,170 how it is a stamp on society that will never ever be forgotten. 1835 01:45:50,678 --> 01:45:54,342 I can't sum up Motown, but I sure am glad to have been a part of it. 1836 01:45:54,890 --> 01:45:59,475 To produce music that can endure past my lifetime is special. 1837 01:46:00,729 --> 01:46:04,518 I would never change it in a million years. I would have done one thing. 1838 01:46:04,942 --> 01:46:08,776 I would have done it a little slower so I would have enjoyed it more. 1839 01:46:09,238 --> 01:46:10,820 The more and more I think about it, 1840 01:46:10,990 --> 01:46:14,073 I don't know how the hell it happened in the first place. 1841 01:46:14,451 --> 01:46:20,288 It was magnetic. All that stuff there in one city called Detroit. 1842 01:46:20,416 --> 01:46:21,451 BRIAN HOLLAND: Mm-hm. 1843 01:46:23,419 --> 01:46:29,461 SMOKEY ROBINSON: Every city, every town, every place probably on Earth, 1844 01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:33,088 ratio-wise, with the talent that we had, has that same amount of talent, 1845 01:46:33,178 --> 01:46:34,760 they just don't have a Berry Gordy. 1846 01:46:34,805 --> 01:46:36,575 They don't have somebody who could pull that off. 1847 01:46:36,599 --> 01:46:39,933 Yeah, I think the secret, you know... - You're the secret, brother. 1848 01:46:39,977 --> 01:46:42,264 Oh, thank you. That's great. That's wonderful, man. 1849 01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:47,098 But I'm just saying, my thing was to bring the best out of other people, 1850 01:46:47,276 --> 01:46:48,732 cos I couldn't do what you did. 1851 01:46:48,819 --> 01:46:51,732 I couldn't write as well as you or sing as well as you, 1852 01:46:51,822 --> 01:46:54,530 but if I make them the best they could be, 1853 01:46:55,117 --> 01:46:58,326 then I could reach my potential in some way, 1854 01:46:58,454 --> 01:47:01,913 but all I wanted to do in those days is to make some money, 1855 01:47:02,458 --> 01:47:05,792 make some music and get some girls. THEY LAUGH 1856 01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:07,915 And you did all that. 1857 01:47:09,423 --> 01:47:13,758 ♪ Ain't no mountain high enough Ain't no valley low enough ♪ 1858 01:47:14,261 --> 01:47:18,630 ♪ Ain't no river wide enough To keep me from you ♪ 1859 01:47:19,058 --> 01:47:23,097 ♪ Ain't no mountain high enough Ain't no valley low enough ♪ 1860 01:47:23,687 --> 01:47:28,056 ♪ Ain't no river wide enough To keep me for you ♪ 1861 01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:32,439 ♪ Ain't no mountain high enough ♪ 1862 01:47:33,072 --> 01:47:37,817 ♪ Nothing can keep me, keep me from you ♪ 1863 01:47:38,243 --> 01:47:40,575 One of the key points that, kind of, pulled us together, 1864 01:47:40,663 --> 01:47:44,998 which was very unusual, is we had a company song. 1865 01:47:45,292 --> 01:47:46,703 Don't ask me to sing it. 1866 01:47:47,878 --> 01:47:50,666 HE LAUGHS I wasn't too good with the... 1867 01:47:51,966 --> 01:47:54,924 Cos we used to watch their mouths and see if they could remember it. 1868 01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:56,341 And they would say, "No, that..." 1869 01:47:56,845 --> 01:47:57,880 You know, "We are..." 1870 01:47:58,555 --> 01:47:59,920 No, I'm not gonna sing it. 1871 01:48:00,349 --> 01:48:03,683 ♪ We are a very swinging company ♪ 1872 01:48:03,894 --> 01:48:05,601 ♪ We are a very famous company ♪ 1873 01:48:05,729 --> 01:48:08,847 ♪ We're a very happy family ♪ 1874 01:48:09,274 --> 01:48:10,764 ♪ Oh, we are... ♪ 1875 01:48:13,070 --> 01:48:16,108 ♪ We are a happy singing company ♪ That's all I know. 1876 01:48:16,615 --> 01:48:18,822 Swinging company? 1877 01:48:19,827 --> 01:48:22,444 ♪ Working hard from day-to-day ♪ 1878 01:48:22,913 --> 01:48:25,826 Though-I won't do this. I will not do it! SHE LAUGHS 1879 01:48:26,208 --> 01:48:29,326 Now you've got me all mixed up. I've known that song really well. 1880 01:48:30,170 --> 01:48:31,581 ♪ No one has more energy ♪ 1881 01:48:31,797 --> 01:48:34,289 ♪ No one... can you find more unity ♪ 1882 01:48:34,591 --> 01:48:37,754 ♪ Than at Hitsville, U.S.A. ♪ SHE LAUGHS 1883 01:48:37,886 --> 01:48:41,504 You... I can see it, I can see the lyrics. 1884 01:48:41,932 --> 01:48:45,050 THEY SING: ♪ Our employees must be neat and clean ♪ 1885 01:48:45,227 --> 01:48:48,265 ♪ And really have something on the ball Dun dun dun ♪ 1886 01:48:48,772 --> 01:48:51,890 ♪ Honesty is our only policy ♪ 1887 01:48:51,984 --> 01:48:57,775 ♪ We're all for one and one for all ♪ 1888 01:48:57,865 --> 01:48:59,856 ♪ Ooooh ♪ 1889 01:49:00,034 --> 01:49:06,451 ♪ We have a very swinging company Working hard from day-to-day ♪ 1890 01:49:06,915 --> 01:49:09,953 ♪ Nowhere will you find more unity ♪ 1891 01:49:10,002 --> 01:49:11,492 ♪ Than at Hitsville ♪ - Bang! 1892 01:49:11,628 --> 01:49:13,494 ♪ I said Hitsville ♪ - Bang! 1893 01:49:13,672 --> 01:49:18,337 ♪ [ Sard Hitsville, U.S. Al ♪ 1894 01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:21,256 THEY LAUGH - And then we'd say, "One more time!" 1895 01:49:21,388 --> 01:49:23,425 Yeah, one more...! - ♪ I said Hitsville ♪ 1896 01:49:23,474 --> 01:49:25,181 Bang! - ♪ I said Hitsville ♪ 1897 01:49:25,267 --> 01:49:29,977 Bang! - ♪ Than at Hitsville, U.S.A! ♪ 1898 01:51:58,754 --> 01:51:59,754 . 171877

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