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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,519 --> 00:00:21,121 Open up and say, "Ah." 2 00:00:23,824 --> 00:00:25,225 Ahh... 3 00:00:29,862 --> 00:00:31,798 I grew up in a dental family. 4 00:00:31,864 --> 00:00:33,801 My grandfather was a dentist. 5 00:00:33,866 --> 00:00:35,569 My uncles were dentists. 6 00:00:35,636 --> 00:00:37,371 My cousins are dentists. 7 00:00:37,438 --> 00:00:39,773 All right, I could, with check up. 8 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,310 Everybody is in the tooth business. 9 00:00:42,375 --> 00:00:43,811 Come in. 10 00:00:43,877 --> 00:00:45,746 How are you doing today? 11 00:00:45,813 --> 00:00:47,280 Most of my patients... 12 00:00:48,716 --> 00:00:50,417 have no idea 13 00:00:50,484 --> 00:00:52,652 that I was ever in a band 14 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,488 or any of that. 15 00:00:55,555 --> 00:00:57,758 Spent the first part of my life 16 00:00:57,825 --> 00:01:01,462 in front of a bunch of people with my mouth wide open. 17 00:01:01,528 --> 00:01:05,233 Now my patients have their mouths wide open. 18 00:01:07,168 --> 00:01:09,936 Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together, 19 00:01:10,003 --> 00:01:11,405 Vixen! 20 00:01:36,829 --> 00:01:39,466 We were all part of that hair metal scene. 21 00:01:41,435 --> 00:01:44,737 It was like all of a sudden being in the major leagues. 22 00:01:50,343 --> 00:01:54,114 In the '80s, hard rock and roll, dominated the charts, 23 00:01:54,182 --> 00:01:57,284 and it was the greatest thing in the world. 24 00:01:57,350 --> 00:02:00,153 People singing your songs, the videos are doing incredible 25 00:02:00,221 --> 00:02:01,655 on MTV. 26 00:02:01,721 --> 00:02:02,998 Pants so tight you could tell 27 00:02:03,022 --> 00:02:04,391 I was circumcised. 28 00:02:04,457 --> 00:02:07,394 That's what you do in 1985. 29 00:02:09,263 --> 00:02:12,832 The, the term hair metal. Well... 30 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:15,568 I mean, what does it even mean? 31 00:02:15,635 --> 00:02:17,837 Those dudes with their palm tree hair, 32 00:02:17,905 --> 00:02:20,174 settin' chicks on fire in a Ferrari. 33 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,875 I don't know what that means. 34 00:02:23,711 --> 00:02:27,414 The hair blowing in those videos. 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,716 There was some pretty hokey shit, 36 00:02:29,783 --> 00:02:31,651 but not all of it. 37 00:02:31,718 --> 00:02:34,322 ♪ Shake me all night ♪ 38 00:02:34,388 --> 00:02:36,356 ♪ She said shake me ♪ 39 00:02:36,424 --> 00:02:38,091 ♪ Shake it till... ♪ 40 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:39,877 The look, the fashion, the hair. 41 00:02:39,926 --> 00:02:41,228 The Aqua Net. 42 00:02:41,295 --> 00:02:42,530 You'd take one section 43 00:02:42,596 --> 00:02:44,764 and just spray the Aqua Net on. 44 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:46,866 And then you'd go to the next section 45 00:02:46,933 --> 00:02:49,336 and spray the Aqua Net on. 46 00:02:51,338 --> 00:02:53,706 We became like the darlings on MTV. 47 00:02:53,774 --> 00:02:56,543 ♪ Shake me all night ♪ 48 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:58,211 ♪ She said shake me ♪ 49 00:02:58,278 --> 00:02:59,780 And then, you know, soon after that, 50 00:02:59,847 --> 00:03:01,114 everyone started hating us. 51 00:03:03,417 --> 00:03:06,152 It got increasingly more absurd. 52 00:03:08,688 --> 00:03:11,224 MTV said they're not cool anymore. 53 00:03:11,292 --> 00:03:13,860 Which I guess is the kiss of death. 54 00:03:13,926 --> 00:03:17,365 There was definitely a wind of change. 55 00:03:17,431 --> 00:03:20,533 ♪ Shake me all night ♪ 56 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,871 The rock star dream was gonna die for you, dude. 57 00:03:23,937 --> 00:03:25,004 I had had enough. 58 00:03:26,606 --> 00:03:28,776 They just stopped playing it. The end. 59 00:03:28,841 --> 00:03:30,544 People were buzzing about 60 00:03:30,610 --> 00:03:32,879 the Seattle sound. 61 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,219 And it was over. 62 00:03:49,296 --> 00:03:53,000 The dimensions to being a rock star are enormous. 63 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:55,836 You're not a normal human being 64 00:03:55,902 --> 00:03:57,604 if you're a rock star. 65 00:03:57,670 --> 00:04:01,442 You're something out of the side of the box. 66 00:04:01,508 --> 00:04:05,846 When a musician, who's just a dude that has a guitar, 67 00:04:05,913 --> 00:04:09,516 and he's playing it in his room somewhere in Akron, Ohio, 68 00:04:09,582 --> 00:04:12,752 looks in the mirror one morning and says, 69 00:04:12,819 --> 00:04:17,324 "You know what, I'm not just a guitar player. 70 00:04:17,391 --> 00:04:19,992 I'm not just a guy who flips burgers. 71 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:21,661 I'm a rock star." 72 00:04:21,728 --> 00:04:24,764 Now then the shift happens, 73 00:04:24,831 --> 00:04:27,935 and all of a sudden all these new elements come in. 74 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,971 Well, they are carrying a burden 75 00:04:31,038 --> 00:04:33,374 that not the rest of us are carrying. 76 00:04:33,441 --> 00:04:35,509 They're unique. 77 00:04:35,576 --> 00:04:37,209 They are not of this world. 78 00:04:45,786 --> 00:04:47,906 - You want a beer? - You got beer? Yes! 79 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:49,557 - You want a beer? - Of course I do. 80 00:04:49,689 --> 00:04:52,024 I almost sat on it, and realized... 81 00:04:52,091 --> 00:04:54,202 I've been taking them to school in the morning. 82 00:04:54,226 --> 00:04:55,372 - Yeah. - But one of our songs 83 00:04:55,396 --> 00:04:56,797 would come on the radio, 84 00:04:56,896 --> 00:04:59,567 and my daughter is like, "Snaky? That's you." 85 00:04:59,632 --> 00:05:01,110 - That's awesome. - Yeah, it's fantastic. 86 00:05:01,134 --> 00:05:02,403 That is awesome. 87 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:10,177 One of my older brothers had a $40 guitar 88 00:05:10,242 --> 00:05:12,812 from the Sears and Roebuck catalog. 89 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:15,583 And the "Quick Picking, Fun Strumming Home Guitar Course." 90 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:17,225 Three minutes to show. 91 00:05:17,250 --> 00:05:18,490 You guys ready to rock? 92 00:05:18,552 --> 00:05:20,120 Yes, sir. 93 00:05:20,252 --> 00:05:22,689 And I started out playing on one string. 94 00:05:22,755 --> 00:05:25,759 But I was like, "Holy crap, this sound." 95 00:05:35,569 --> 00:05:38,672 I knew that music was my future. 96 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:44,411 The allure of being a rock star 97 00:05:44,478 --> 00:05:46,447 when I was growing up 98 00:05:46,514 --> 00:05:50,050 was this larger than life idea, 99 00:05:50,117 --> 00:05:52,386 a superhero in a sense. 100 00:05:55,588 --> 00:05:59,893 I'm this strange kid from Sayreville, New Jersey. 101 00:05:59,959 --> 00:06:02,062 I've got a job in this music store. 102 00:06:02,129 --> 00:06:04,732 One day, I see this guy walk in, 103 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:08,901 he just looked like a rock star. 104 00:06:08,968 --> 00:06:10,971 I said, "You want to come up and jam?" 105 00:06:11,038 --> 00:06:14,608 We had such a great time playing together. 106 00:06:14,675 --> 00:06:17,745 We would write until five, six in the morning 107 00:06:17,810 --> 00:06:19,091 and then wake up at eight o'clock 108 00:06:19,146 --> 00:06:21,081 to go to our day jobs. 109 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:22,815 And we were relentless. 110 00:06:22,882 --> 00:06:24,884 We were rehearsing every night. 111 00:06:24,951 --> 00:06:27,120 If we weren't rehearsing, we were writing music. 112 00:06:27,187 --> 00:06:28,988 Good wasn't good enough. 113 00:06:29,055 --> 00:06:30,624 You had to be great. 114 00:06:30,690 --> 00:06:32,324 And if you were great, 115 00:06:32,391 --> 00:06:36,564 maybe you would get that all-elusive record deal. 116 00:06:38,365 --> 00:06:40,233 I had the distinct advantage 117 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:42,903 of my friend Jon Bon Jovi living up the street from me. 118 00:06:46,973 --> 00:06:48,509 He's several years older than me. 119 00:06:48,576 --> 00:06:49,976 I love to say that. 120 00:06:51,711 --> 00:06:53,947 Jon had been paying attention 121 00:06:54,014 --> 00:06:56,983 and listening to our music and giving us advice. 122 00:06:57,050 --> 00:06:59,119 I get a phone call from Jon, 123 00:06:59,185 --> 00:07:00,620 "Come up to my mom's house. 124 00:07:00,687 --> 00:07:02,755 I want you to meet my manager." 125 00:07:02,822 --> 00:07:04,124 "Well, who is your manager?" 126 00:07:04,190 --> 00:07:06,494 "My manager is Doc McGhee." 127 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,295 "Oh, my God, I know that name. 128 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,797 It's on the back of Motley Crue's 129 00:07:09,862 --> 00:07:12,199 'Too Fast for Love'". 130 00:07:12,264 --> 00:07:14,867 They're in the backyard hanging out by the pool, 131 00:07:14,935 --> 00:07:18,204 and there's this myth of a man. 132 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:19,473 This is my moment. 133 00:07:19,540 --> 00:07:20,807 Take it. 134 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,442 I start going, 135 00:07:23,511 --> 00:07:26,346 "I'm the best guitar player around here. 136 00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:28,447 I am going to be a big star. 137 00:07:28,516 --> 00:07:30,425 I'm going to have the greatest band in the world," 138 00:07:30,449 --> 00:07:31,884 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 139 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:34,286 "And you're going to manage me some day." 140 00:07:34,353 --> 00:07:37,024 He looks at me, takes a little breath and goes, 141 00:07:37,090 --> 00:07:39,793 "That's a great story. You want to go get me a beer?" 142 00:07:42,762 --> 00:07:45,098 I just went... 143 00:07:51,572 --> 00:07:53,550 I'm just sitting there waiting, man, like this. 144 00:07:53,574 --> 00:07:56,108 - Beautiful song. - Can we go in there? 145 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:00,247 Wanna put a little acoustic down? 146 00:08:00,312 --> 00:08:01,615 Sure. 147 00:08:09,088 --> 00:08:11,891 I'm John Corabi, singer, 148 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:14,427 guitar player, songwriter 149 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,963 from just every band but ABBA. 150 00:08:22,636 --> 00:08:24,303 I don't know what I'm doing now, 151 00:08:24,370 --> 00:08:26,740 if it's the right thing or the wrong thing, 152 00:08:26,807 --> 00:08:28,307 I'm just doing a song. 153 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:30,076 I let it sit for two or three months. 154 00:08:30,143 --> 00:08:32,211 I just put a new song out. 155 00:08:32,278 --> 00:08:34,147 And let that sit for another couple months. 156 00:08:34,212 --> 00:08:36,081 - You could put a four songs... - Five. 157 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:38,485 And then package a little eight song album. 158 00:08:38,552 --> 00:08:40,721 - You know? - "Thriller" was eight songs. 159 00:08:40,788 --> 00:08:42,788 - Was it? - Yeah. 160 00:08:42,855 --> 00:08:44,224 - "Thriller"? - Yeah. 161 00:08:44,289 --> 00:08:46,994 - Are you fucking kidding me? - No. 162 00:08:47,059 --> 00:08:48,394 I think with this one 163 00:08:48,461 --> 00:08:49,663 I should be able 164 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:51,463 to buy a bottle of Jameson 165 00:08:51,530 --> 00:08:53,000 with the royalties. 166 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:54,567 - I'm a huge fan. - That's a success. 167 00:08:54,634 --> 00:08:55,802 I don't know. 168 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:57,336 I don't... I don't even know 169 00:08:57,403 --> 00:08:58,905 what the word means anymore. 170 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:06,513 I'm originally from Philadelphia. 171 00:09:06,580 --> 00:09:09,115 Nobody in my family was musical, 172 00:09:09,182 --> 00:09:12,019 but there was music always playing in the house. 173 00:09:13,485 --> 00:09:15,989 I was fascinated with the Beatles. 174 00:09:16,056 --> 00:09:19,525 One year, I just came downstairs, and my parents, 175 00:09:19,592 --> 00:09:20,860 I think they tried to cover 176 00:09:20,927 --> 00:09:23,029 both ends of the spectrum with me. 177 00:09:23,096 --> 00:09:25,932 I had a guitar, 178 00:09:25,999 --> 00:09:27,500 and a microscope. 179 00:09:27,567 --> 00:09:28,969 "Let's get him a guitar. 180 00:09:29,036 --> 00:09:30,770 Maybe that will do the creative thing, 181 00:09:30,837 --> 00:09:32,471 but hopefully he'll go in this direction 182 00:09:32,538 --> 00:09:34,506 and be like a doctor or something." 183 00:09:34,573 --> 00:09:36,408 And they failed miserably on that one. 184 00:09:38,544 --> 00:09:40,379 I wanted to be a rock star. 185 00:09:47,386 --> 00:09:49,789 In Philadelphia, I went from this band 186 00:09:49,856 --> 00:09:51,725 to that band, to that band, 187 00:09:51,792 --> 00:09:53,661 to that band, and I just graduated 188 00:09:53,726 --> 00:09:57,596 to a really popular band, Angora. 189 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,333 And we just started plugging away 190 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,769 and playing, writing. 191 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:07,506 Some of the guys went out to L.A., 192 00:10:07,573 --> 00:10:10,009 telling us there's 50 clubs 193 00:10:10,076 --> 00:10:14,547 where you can play original rock music. 194 00:10:14,614 --> 00:10:16,683 "We got to go to L.A." 195 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:19,418 ♪ Standing on the corner ♪ 196 00:10:19,485 --> 00:10:22,154 Hollywood, USA, baby! 197 00:10:22,221 --> 00:10:24,692 Come on. Let's go. I'm a ham. I'm a ham. 198 00:10:24,758 --> 00:10:26,592 Yeah! 199 00:10:28,095 --> 00:10:32,932 The Sunset Strip was pure insanity. 200 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,536 Those two blocks from The Whisky to Doheny... 201 00:10:38,437 --> 00:10:41,841 was wall-to-wall palm tree hair, 202 00:10:41,908 --> 00:10:43,543 long jackets, 203 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:45,278 girls in lingerie, 204 00:10:45,345 --> 00:10:46,779 fishnet stockings, 205 00:10:46,846 --> 00:10:48,280 high heels, 206 00:10:48,347 --> 00:10:49,883 dudes with as much makeup on 207 00:10:49,950 --> 00:10:51,150 as their chicks. 208 00:10:52,952 --> 00:10:56,856 Angora moved to L.A., 209 00:10:56,923 --> 00:11:00,059 and we just started plugging away. 210 00:11:00,126 --> 00:11:01,293 Maybe get a record deal. 211 00:11:02,863 --> 00:11:04,096 It's the golden ticket. 212 00:11:10,037 --> 00:11:14,240 I was and still am very shy. 213 00:11:14,307 --> 00:11:15,975 I would never have mentioned, 214 00:11:16,043 --> 00:11:18,211 "I want to be a rock star." 215 00:11:18,278 --> 00:11:20,647 No. 216 00:11:22,883 --> 00:11:24,817 I grew up in Bozeman, Montana. 217 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:29,456 My parents were Mormon. 218 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:33,059 As young Mormon women, young ladies, 219 00:11:33,125 --> 00:11:38,097 we were supposed to be groomed to be good wives and mothers. 220 00:11:38,465 --> 00:11:41,067 We would learn how to brush our hair, 221 00:11:41,134 --> 00:11:43,403 and put on makeup 222 00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:45,572 and look attractive, 223 00:11:45,638 --> 00:11:48,908 and learn how to cook and do all that kind of stuff. 224 00:11:50,342 --> 00:11:51,945 I definitely knew I didn't fit 225 00:11:52,011 --> 00:11:53,746 in that whole thing. 226 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:58,684 There was something, something amiss about all that. 227 00:11:58,751 --> 00:12:00,988 When I first started to get into rock, 228 00:12:01,053 --> 00:12:03,155 I remember checking out female bands. 229 00:12:03,222 --> 00:12:07,860 ♪ It's hard to live when you're by yourself ♪ 230 00:12:07,927 --> 00:12:09,763 I remember checking out Fanny. 231 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:12,499 ♪ Free, free spirit ♪ 232 00:12:12,565 --> 00:12:14,433 There was a band called Birtha. 233 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,668 ♪ I got a free ♪ 234 00:12:18,772 --> 00:12:19,883 And, of course, The Go-Go's. 235 00:12:19,907 --> 00:12:21,841 ♪ We got the beat ♪ 236 00:12:21,908 --> 00:12:24,010 - ♪ We got the beat ♪ - ♪ We got the beat ♪ 237 00:12:24,076 --> 00:12:26,846 ♪ Hello, world, I'm your wild girl ♪ 238 00:12:26,913 --> 00:12:28,014 ♪ Like a ch-ch-ch... ♪ 239 00:12:28,081 --> 00:12:29,481 The Runaways... 240 00:12:29,548 --> 00:12:30,716 ♪ Cherry bomb! ♪ 241 00:12:30,783 --> 00:12:32,318 But there were very few. 242 00:12:32,384 --> 00:12:33,854 But they were all really good. 243 00:12:33,921 --> 00:12:36,990 So it was like, girls can do this. 244 00:12:37,057 --> 00:12:39,459 These are The Young Americans. 245 00:12:39,525 --> 00:12:42,461 ♪ Shenandoah, Shenandoah ♪ 246 00:12:42,528 --> 00:12:45,164 I ended up going to see The Young Americans. 247 00:12:45,231 --> 00:12:46,664 I was blown away. 248 00:12:46,732 --> 00:12:49,036 They were like my age... 249 00:12:49,101 --> 00:12:50,971 ♪ Oh, I vow to thee ♪ 250 00:12:51,038 --> 00:12:53,139 doing amazingly slick, 251 00:12:53,206 --> 00:12:54,706 professional performing. 252 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:56,509 ♪ Shenandoah ♪ 253 00:12:56,643 --> 00:12:59,980 Afterwards, they were running around out in the halls. 254 00:13:00,047 --> 00:13:01,514 I said, "Wow, I was blown away. 255 00:13:01,581 --> 00:13:03,049 You are all so talented. 256 00:13:03,115 --> 00:13:04,884 This was amazing." 257 00:13:04,951 --> 00:13:07,086 They're like, "You should audition." 258 00:13:07,153 --> 00:13:08,989 The director came out. 259 00:13:09,056 --> 00:13:12,225 He said, "Just sing me a song that you like." 260 00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:15,028 So out of nowhere, I picked a Bonnie Raitt song, 261 00:13:15,095 --> 00:13:18,065 and he was like, "Oh, you know, you have a great voice." 262 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:20,667 I crossed my fingers, 263 00:13:20,732 --> 00:13:22,568 and sure enough, I got picked. 264 00:13:22,634 --> 00:13:25,205 ♪ I've seen it all and how do I make you? ♪ 265 00:13:25,272 --> 00:13:27,039 ♪ How do I make you? ♪ 266 00:13:27,139 --> 00:13:29,375 The Young Americans, they were based in California, 267 00:13:29,442 --> 00:13:32,044 and I was like, "This is where everything is happening. 268 00:13:32,111 --> 00:13:34,246 This is where I should be." 269 00:13:34,313 --> 00:13:36,182 So I called my parents and said, 270 00:13:36,249 --> 00:13:38,184 I'm not coming home. 271 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:40,854 That didn't go over very big. 272 00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:43,023 You know, I quit school without telling 'em. 273 00:13:43,090 --> 00:13:44,789 And then I started checking out 274 00:13:44,857 --> 00:13:46,692 the local rock scene. 275 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:48,928 It was competitive. 276 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:52,032 Everybody was trying to get the most attention, 277 00:13:52,099 --> 00:13:55,634 trying to get that elusive record deal. 278 00:13:55,701 --> 00:13:57,636 All of the bands that were playing 279 00:13:57,703 --> 00:14:00,874 that scene at the time were getting signed. 280 00:14:00,941 --> 00:14:04,945 If you could draw a good crowd, you could get a record deal. 281 00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:06,812 So who didn't want to be there? 282 00:14:08,248 --> 00:14:10,327 Let me hear ya. 283 00:14:13,552 --> 00:14:17,924 I never wanted to be in the L.A. thing. 284 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:20,259 New York suited me perfectly because it was like, 285 00:14:20,326 --> 00:14:22,794 education center, you know. 286 00:14:22,861 --> 00:14:25,231 It wasn't about sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll. 287 00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:26,933 That's never what I was about. 288 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,467 In New York, I can go see 289 00:14:28,534 --> 00:14:30,336 the New York City Ballet one night, 290 00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:32,471 and I can go to Radio City Music Hall 291 00:14:32,538 --> 00:14:34,049 and see something else, and then I can go 292 00:14:34,073 --> 00:14:36,408 to Madison Square Garden and see something. 293 00:14:36,475 --> 00:14:38,510 You know, like that was my vibe. 294 00:14:41,313 --> 00:14:43,951 I had a dream very early. 295 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:45,918 I did my first professional gig at eight, 296 00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:49,688 my guitar broke ten strings, and it was just an awful gig. 297 00:14:50,923 --> 00:14:52,759 But I got paid 30 bucks 298 00:14:52,825 --> 00:14:55,028 and I thought, "I'm in. This is it for me." 299 00:14:56,196 --> 00:14:57,830 I was just a little punk. 300 00:14:57,931 --> 00:15:00,033 I was like, you know, I just wanted to rock. 301 00:15:02,101 --> 00:15:04,270 I lived in Hoboken, 302 00:15:04,336 --> 00:15:07,039 I'd go in the city and take ballet class. 303 00:15:07,106 --> 00:15:09,109 I took bass lessons. 304 00:15:09,176 --> 00:15:12,044 A couple composition lessons from a cat from Juilliard. 305 00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:14,681 I was always doing a little bit here 306 00:15:14,746 --> 00:15:15,948 and a little bit there. 307 00:15:18,384 --> 00:15:20,220 I was shopping as a solo artist. 308 00:15:20,287 --> 00:15:22,855 For years. 309 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,957 Totally bumming, I mean, it was like, 310 00:15:25,024 --> 00:15:26,994 I'm never going to get anywhere. 311 00:15:27,059 --> 00:15:29,495 - Okay, go. Oh! - Oh! We got that. 312 00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:31,965 One of my very good friends, Beau Hill, 313 00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:34,067 had a room in Atlantic Studios. 314 00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:37,203 He was producing Ratt, 315 00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:39,672 and he would have me play bass on stuff 316 00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:41,173 and do some background vocals. 317 00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:44,711 So I was kind of like his backup, 318 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:47,346 like a utility team. 319 00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:48,981 I gave him all these demos 320 00:15:49,081 --> 00:15:50,883 and he kept playing 'em for record companies 321 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:52,070 that would just keep saying, 322 00:15:52,119 --> 00:15:53,653 "This is terrible," 323 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,188 and "Don't play me anymore Kip Winger." 324 00:15:57,624 --> 00:15:58,825 For the most part, 325 00:15:58,890 --> 00:16:00,360 I was dead in the water. 326 00:16:12,072 --> 00:16:13,572 It's hard to really describe 327 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:17,976 what it is that makes a band sparkle. 328 00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:24,517 Whoops. Sorry. 329 00:16:26,019 --> 00:16:28,687 It's that hair raising experience 330 00:16:28,754 --> 00:16:30,789 of when you hear their voice. 331 00:16:37,429 --> 00:16:41,268 ♪ Hello, world ♪ 332 00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:45,205 You just know that they can do it. 333 00:16:45,272 --> 00:16:46,972 That's good. Sounds good, huh? 334 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:48,240 Yeah. 335 00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,115 Ever since I was a child, 336 00:16:55,182 --> 00:16:56,948 I decided that I was going to be 337 00:16:57,015 --> 00:16:59,851 the best rock and roll manager on the planet. 338 00:17:02,721 --> 00:17:05,325 I managed my first boyfriend's bands. 339 00:17:06,893 --> 00:17:08,961 There just wasn't really an outlet 340 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:10,997 to go any farther. 341 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,602 I knew I had to save up some money 342 00:17:15,666 --> 00:17:17,470 and move to California. 343 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:20,507 And that's exactly what I did. 344 00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:22,075 I ended up taking a job 345 00:17:22,142 --> 00:17:23,309 at Licorice Pizza, 346 00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:24,809 which was the record store 347 00:17:24,876 --> 00:17:27,512 catty corner from the Whisky a Go-Go. 348 00:17:29,915 --> 00:17:31,851 If location is everything, 349 00:17:31,917 --> 00:17:33,286 this was the spot. 350 00:17:34,921 --> 00:17:38,290 There was always a concert going on at the Whisky. 351 00:17:38,357 --> 00:17:39,826 It was love at first sight. 352 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:42,929 What's up! 353 00:17:42,994 --> 00:17:44,029 Metalheads! 354 00:17:44,096 --> 00:17:45,498 We're gonna be big some day. 355 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:48,335 Drugs, alcohol, 356 00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,670 partying, 357 00:17:50,737 --> 00:17:54,039 nonstop music all the time. 358 00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:57,544 There were so many great looking rocker dudes in there. 359 00:17:57,609 --> 00:17:59,778 We didn't have that in Indiana. 360 00:18:02,949 --> 00:18:04,517 I ended up meeting Motley Crue 361 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,854 because Nikki Sixx came into my store. 362 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,190 We had a thing called Borrow Book. 363 00:18:10,257 --> 00:18:12,724 Nikki would ask me to get records for him, 364 00:18:12,791 --> 00:18:13,902 and he'd take 'em out, but then he would 365 00:18:13,925 --> 00:18:15,394 never bring the records back. 366 00:18:15,461 --> 00:18:17,497 So then I would end up having to buy them. 367 00:18:19,097 --> 00:18:21,233 Motley Crue, when I first met them, 368 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:22,469 they hadn't been signed. 369 00:18:22,535 --> 00:18:23,970 They were just putting out 370 00:18:24,036 --> 00:18:27,807 their first six inch record. 371 00:18:27,874 --> 00:18:30,009 My manager instinct like kicked in, 372 00:18:30,076 --> 00:18:32,378 and I knew they were going to be huge. 373 00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:33,680 Put them up all through 374 00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:36,082 the Licorice Pizza stores. 375 00:18:36,148 --> 00:18:39,085 Then my boss said, "Those better all sell," 376 00:18:39,152 --> 00:18:41,119 "or you're going to lose your job." 377 00:18:42,388 --> 00:18:43,423 I had shared with Nikki 378 00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:44,633 that I wanted to be a manager 379 00:18:44,656 --> 00:18:45,991 and I was like, 380 00:18:46,057 --> 00:18:48,161 "Wow, you can, like, work with us." 381 00:18:48,228 --> 00:18:50,529 Management agreements are kind of like marriages. 382 00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:53,098 You don't really know if it's going to work, 383 00:18:53,165 --> 00:18:55,268 until you're actually in it. 384 00:19:14,287 --> 00:19:16,788 ♪ The weekend's here again ♪ 385 00:19:16,855 --> 00:19:20,125 I was in a band called Candy. 386 00:19:20,192 --> 00:19:22,729 We wanted to look like four Nikki Sixxes. 387 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,698 We all had long, tall, 388 00:19:25,765 --> 00:19:28,201 big black hair. 389 00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:30,403 The bigger the hair, the bigger the paycheck. 390 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:33,539 ♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪ 391 00:19:33,605 --> 00:19:37,042 ♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪ 392 00:19:37,108 --> 00:19:39,645 ♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪ 393 00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:43,282 We started playing gigs in L.A., 394 00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:46,286 but we had no following, we had no friends. 395 00:19:46,353 --> 00:19:49,756 And we didn't really have any idea how to build one. 396 00:19:51,357 --> 00:19:52,759 Nobody had a record deal. 397 00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:54,260 Nobody was on the radio, 398 00:19:54,326 --> 00:19:57,230 so it was really hand-to-hand combat. 399 00:19:57,297 --> 00:20:00,732 ♪ One, two, three, let's go! ♪ 400 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,836 Self promotion was the name of the game. 401 00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:06,472 Every Friday, Saturday night on the Strip, 402 00:20:06,538 --> 00:20:09,174 every band that wasn't inside the club 403 00:20:09,241 --> 00:20:11,009 was outside the club on the sidewalk, 404 00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:12,444 handing out these flyers. 405 00:20:12,511 --> 00:20:14,780 Rock Asylum is a hot band from New York. 406 00:20:14,846 --> 00:20:16,659 Bands would just go hand flyers to women. 407 00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:18,585 That's how you met people. It was really... 408 00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:20,487 pre-Internet, how you found out about a show. 409 00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:22,821 "Oh, come to my show, come to my show." 410 00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:25,124 You've got your flyer, "three dollars off." 411 00:20:25,191 --> 00:20:29,328 Cool, all right. You know, you needed that three dollars off. 412 00:20:29,395 --> 00:20:30,863 You would try to find 413 00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:34,133 a color that nobody else was using. 414 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,368 You had to have a really good photo, 415 00:20:36,435 --> 00:20:40,038 sort of sexy or menacing. 416 00:20:40,105 --> 00:20:42,308 And then you would have, like, the name of the band, 417 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:45,845 so you would need some sort of interesting logo. 418 00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:48,780 And then hopefully you have some dates scheduled, 419 00:20:48,847 --> 00:20:51,182 if you weren't a total poser, 420 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:52,618 and then a ticket hotline 421 00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:54,320 where people could call and be like, 422 00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:57,356 "Hey, this is Tommy from Paradise, 423 00:20:57,423 --> 00:20:59,726 and we're going to rock your ass." 424 00:20:59,791 --> 00:21:01,894 You had all the poles covered, 425 00:21:01,961 --> 00:21:03,630 the ground covered. 426 00:21:03,695 --> 00:21:05,498 You couldn't see the sidewalk 427 00:21:05,565 --> 00:21:08,500 from Tower Records all the way up to Gil Turner's. 428 00:21:08,567 --> 00:21:10,636 It looked like it was New Year's Eve every night. 429 00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,507 Poison was the kings 430 00:21:14,574 --> 00:21:16,343 of flyering. 431 00:21:16,409 --> 00:21:18,678 Poison had this whole system worked out 432 00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:21,381 where they would go out in the van 433 00:21:21,448 --> 00:21:24,351 and one guy would like stir the glue. 434 00:21:24,416 --> 00:21:26,685 The next guy would put the glue on the poster 435 00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:28,019 and they would do this... 436 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,655 and then they would jump out of the van 437 00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:31,257 and get on each other's shoulders 438 00:21:31,324 --> 00:21:33,992 to put them up high on the poles. 439 00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:36,496 You can't rip 'em down if you can't reach 'em. 440 00:21:36,563 --> 00:21:38,263 And after every concert, 441 00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:40,700 there would be tons of litter 442 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:42,902 and flyers everywhere. 443 00:21:42,969 --> 00:21:46,172 The Beverly Hills Police cracked down on that. 444 00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:48,875 If you got caught stapling flyers to the telephone poles, 445 00:21:48,941 --> 00:21:50,509 you'd have to do community service, 446 00:21:50,576 --> 00:21:52,044 taking them off. 447 00:21:52,111 --> 00:21:53,913 You can't imagine 448 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:56,383 the number of trees that had to die 449 00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:59,018 in the name of metal. 450 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:13,031 I got a job at Guitar Center, 451 00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:16,035 which was another great way to meet musicians. 452 00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:17,936 And at one point, some girl comes up to me 453 00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:21,240 and she goes, "I know a band you'd be perfect for." 454 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:26,778 So I got a call from a guy who said, 455 00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,815 "I am the manager of the group 456 00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:30,817 that's looking for a singer." 457 00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:32,384 So I said, "Hmm." 458 00:22:32,451 --> 00:22:33,920 I was looking for suspicious 459 00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:37,589 long haired guys, you know, musician-y types. 460 00:22:37,656 --> 00:22:39,224 I said, "I didn't see anybody." 461 00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:41,794 And he goes, "Yeah, they're right over at the bar." 462 00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:44,564 And it was Jan and Lori. 463 00:22:44,631 --> 00:22:49,435 And I was like, "Oh! It's a girl thing!" 464 00:22:49,501 --> 00:22:50,936 But I had never done that before. 465 00:22:51,002 --> 00:22:54,673 I was always "the girl" in the band. 466 00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:57,644 And we got together and it was a blast. 467 00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:58,810 We just hit it off. 468 00:22:58,877 --> 00:22:59,945 I mean, once in a while, 469 00:23:00,011 --> 00:23:01,346 I would smile and stuff, too. 470 00:23:01,413 --> 00:23:02,682 "Get ass!" 471 00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:06,452 We pretty much spent all our time 472 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:10,690 rehearsing and playing the Strip. 473 00:23:10,757 --> 00:23:14,192 We ended up going on the road a lot, though, 474 00:23:14,259 --> 00:23:19,198 station wagon, van pulling a U-Haul trailer, 475 00:23:19,265 --> 00:23:21,200 playing any place and every place 476 00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:22,868 that we could, from anywhere 477 00:23:22,934 --> 00:23:27,105 from five people to a couple hundred people. 478 00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:29,442 We're going to do whatever we have to do 479 00:23:29,509 --> 00:23:32,211 to get the attention we need to get signed, 480 00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:34,513 make records and be rock stars. 481 00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:51,297 The first bit of pip?? overdubbing. 482 00:23:51,363 --> 00:23:52,875 The camera'd been on about three seconds... 483 00:23:52,898 --> 00:23:54,967 and he fucked up! 484 00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:57,703 While I was waiting tables in Hoboken, New Jersey, 485 00:23:57,769 --> 00:23:59,971 Beau called me up and said, "Hey, get up here." 486 00:24:00,038 --> 00:24:02,074 We need four songs for Alice Cooper. 487 00:24:02,141 --> 00:24:03,875 I was like, "Oh, my God!" 488 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,213 I was a huge Alice Cooper fan. 489 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:09,981 A huge Alice Cooper fan. 490 00:24:10,048 --> 00:24:11,817 I knew more about Alice Cooper 491 00:24:11,884 --> 00:24:13,653 then he could remember. 492 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,088 That was like, preparation met with opportunity. 493 00:24:17,155 --> 00:24:20,058 Walked in, playing that shit first take. 494 00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:21,728 It was like, "Yes!" 495 00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:23,328 You know, just like... 496 00:24:25,664 --> 00:24:27,333 And so I said, "Alice, man, 497 00:24:27,398 --> 00:24:29,268 if you go out on tour, call me up." 498 00:24:29,335 --> 00:24:32,104 But I remember him going, "Okay, I'll keep that in mind." 499 00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:34,105 But nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. 500 00:24:34,173 --> 00:24:35,573 And then they called me up and said, 501 00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:36,884 "Hey, do you want to do the gig?" 502 00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,510 And I was like... 503 00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:44,784 I had really short hair. 504 00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:47,185 And they made us get hair extensions, 505 00:24:47,252 --> 00:24:49,689 and then the next day, I've got hair down to here, 506 00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:52,692 and we're all doing the Alice Cooper show biz thing. 507 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:57,429 ♪ For criminal acts and violence on the stage ♪ 508 00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:00,098 Two months before, I was waiting tables. 509 00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,535 Two months later, got on the stage, 510 00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:04,269 sold out Joe Louis Arena, 511 00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:06,038 live on MTV, 512 00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:08,740 20,000 people flipping out, 513 00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:10,643 and I had to get oriented. 514 00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:14,580 I was completely losing myself in this, you know, 515 00:25:14,646 --> 00:25:15,914 "Oh, my God, I'm playing bass." 516 00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:19,586 ♪ You can go to hell ♪ 517 00:25:19,652 --> 00:25:22,253 As much as I loved Alice, I felt like, 518 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,557 you know, once a side man, always a side man. 519 00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:26,593 I said that I was leaving, you know, 520 00:25:26,659 --> 00:25:28,002 and everybody was like, "What? You're leaving? 521 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:29,895 Oh, my God, this is a great band, 522 00:25:30,061 --> 00:25:31,773 and we're going to go out on the road for another year," 523 00:25:31,798 --> 00:25:35,801 and everybody was like, "Wow! What a move!" 524 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:37,604 It's really hot, so don't blow 525 00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:39,739 your voice out on the first pass. 526 00:25:39,806 --> 00:25:41,173 But it was a pretty cool band, man, 527 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,142 and that's where I met Reb. 528 00:25:43,209 --> 00:25:46,444 ♪ She's so downhearted ♪ 529 00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:49,816 ♪ She's what you want, what you need ♪ 530 00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:52,483 I was like, "Let's start a band, you know. 531 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:53,871 We should put something together." 532 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,755 ♪ Drops the bomb ♪ 533 00:26:14,073 --> 00:26:15,875 We're working. 534 00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:17,853 I'm working at the music store, Rachel and I are writing. 535 00:26:17,876 --> 00:26:19,979 We're rehearsing like crazy. 536 00:26:20,046 --> 00:26:22,848 And Jon, he's getting ready to go on tour. 537 00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:25,116 So he's like, "You want to come out and do three shows?" 538 00:26:25,183 --> 00:26:28,855 And we're like, "No. No, I'd rather," 539 00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:31,323 I'd rather sit here and work in the music store 540 00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:33,992 for 12 hours a day and hear kids playing 541 00:26:34,059 --> 00:26:35,859 "Smoke on the Water" and "Stairway to Heaven". 542 00:26:35,894 --> 00:26:38,163 The singer that we had at the time 543 00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:40,398 was this kid named Matt Fallon. 544 00:26:40,465 --> 00:26:45,237 Matt was a good singer, but he wasn't great. 545 00:26:45,304 --> 00:26:47,707 So we go to those shows and we play, 546 00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:50,576 and we think we're the shit. 547 00:26:50,643 --> 00:26:54,313 After the show, Doc McGhee comes in the dressing room, 548 00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:56,548 and goes, "You guys are good. 549 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,183 You got really good songs. 550 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:59,919 Your singer sucks." 551 00:26:59,986 --> 00:27:01,988 I'm like, "Yeah?" 552 00:27:02,054 --> 00:27:03,855 He goes, "You got to get a new singer." 553 00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:07,926 We were auditioning singer after singer after singer. 554 00:27:07,993 --> 00:27:11,931 And we knew that if we could find the right person, 555 00:27:11,998 --> 00:27:14,733 these songs would speak for themselves. 556 00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:26,444 Mark Weiss, who's a very renowned rock photographer, 557 00:27:26,511 --> 00:27:29,015 he has a wedding. 558 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,750 At that wedding, 559 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:34,220 a young singer by the name of Sebastian Bach. 560 00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:35,586 And he's crazy. 561 00:27:35,653 --> 00:27:37,388 He's like six-foot-twelve 562 00:27:37,455 --> 00:27:39,858 and his hair is outrageous. 563 00:27:39,925 --> 00:27:41,460 But he's an amazing singer. 564 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,964 We sent Sebastian four songs... 565 00:27:46,031 --> 00:27:48,166 Huh! 566 00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:54,440 He says he loves the songs. 567 00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:56,787 We're like, "Well, do you want to come down and audition?" 568 00:27:57,977 --> 00:27:59,644 So we fly him in from Toronto, 569 00:27:59,711 --> 00:28:01,247 where he was living, 570 00:28:01,313 --> 00:28:04,650 and shows up at my mom's house. 571 00:28:04,717 --> 00:28:06,986 One of the first things he says, 572 00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:08,153 "Yo, dudes, what's up? 573 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:11,057 I got a nine-inch dick." 574 00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:14,059 And Rachel looks at me, but he says to me, 575 00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:16,996 "He's a great singer, but it's going to be trouble." 576 00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:33,112 Angora had a lot of interest 577 00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:35,114 from different labels, 578 00:28:35,181 --> 00:28:37,282 different managers. 579 00:28:37,348 --> 00:28:39,518 Gene Simmons was interested in us. 580 00:28:39,585 --> 00:28:42,922 We did a demo tape with Steve Vai. 581 00:28:43,855 --> 00:28:44,856 So we were getting 582 00:28:44,923 --> 00:28:46,258 a lot of interest. 583 00:28:48,861 --> 00:28:53,464 We had a rehearsal room that was 500 a month. 584 00:28:53,531 --> 00:28:56,667 I was kind of the de facto leader. 585 00:28:56,734 --> 00:28:59,806 And I'd go, "Okay, I need your... I need your rent money. 586 00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:01,440 It's the first." 587 00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:04,810 Some of the guys would not have their rent money 588 00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:07,779 for rehearsal, but then I'd see them 589 00:29:07,846 --> 00:29:10,548 the next day with a giant bag of weed, 590 00:29:10,615 --> 00:29:13,152 and I just said, "I came out here 591 00:29:13,219 --> 00:29:14,886 to get a record deal. 592 00:29:14,953 --> 00:29:17,123 I came here to be a rock star, 593 00:29:17,189 --> 00:29:20,026 and you're kind of fucking with my plan." 594 00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:24,029 But then a couple of 'em actually started smoking crack. 595 00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:27,232 Equipment started to go missing, and... 596 00:29:27,298 --> 00:29:29,902 and I just said, "You know what, I'm out." 597 00:29:29,969 --> 00:29:31,971 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 598 00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:44,250 Within probably a few months 599 00:29:44,316 --> 00:29:46,352 of joining the band, we ended up doing 600 00:29:46,417 --> 00:29:48,921 this goofy movie Hardbodies, 601 00:29:48,988 --> 00:29:50,622 and some of our songs were in that. 602 00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:54,425 ♪ Oh ♪ 603 00:29:54,492 --> 00:29:55,894 And of course, 604 00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:58,596 my Mormon mother went to see it. 605 00:29:58,663 --> 00:30:00,465 I warned her. 606 00:30:00,531 --> 00:30:02,067 I said, "Trust me." 607 00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:04,202 "You don't want to see this movie." 608 00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:08,406 ♪ By the phone, all alone ♪ 609 00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:10,241 And I think she brought 610 00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,377 a couple of her friends with her. 611 00:30:12,443 --> 00:30:14,413 She said, "Oh, it was fun." 612 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,084 Right on, Mom! 613 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,710 What record company you guys record for? 614 00:30:20,685 --> 00:30:22,153 Uh, we don't have a label. 615 00:30:22,221 --> 00:30:23,588 We can't even get a gig. 616 00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:26,625 We kind of realized 617 00:30:26,692 --> 00:30:29,060 we need to find a manager now. 618 00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:32,830 Alan Kovac did have a couple of great artists. 619 00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:34,967 He was like, "I know I can do this. 620 00:30:35,034 --> 00:30:37,669 I know I can make this happen, and I'll get you signed." 621 00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:39,637 And it didn't take him long 622 00:30:39,704 --> 00:30:41,907 to come back with record deal offers. 623 00:30:41,973 --> 00:30:44,276 And we were stunned. 624 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,744 It was exciting, but it was also scary 625 00:30:46,811 --> 00:30:48,914 to sign on that dotted line. 626 00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:52,817 So like this sound... 627 00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:57,522 Because it's an octave down in the solo. 628 00:30:57,588 --> 00:30:59,125 I programmed an octave down. 629 00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:01,527 So maybe just this sound in the solo, you know, 630 00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:03,429 where it's panning and shit. 631 00:31:03,494 --> 00:31:05,763 I said read to Reb, "Like, let's make a pact." 632 00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:07,967 No outside work for six months. 633 00:31:08,034 --> 00:31:09,601 Like you don't take one job. 634 00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:11,202 I am not going to do anything, 635 00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:14,173 but we're going to focus on writing songs. 636 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,084 - This is where I sing. - And we'll make demos. 637 00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:17,442 We're making the album now. 638 00:31:17,576 --> 00:31:19,310 And we'll try to get a record deal. 639 00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:36,061 It was four guys who had played 640 00:31:36,127 --> 00:31:38,064 their whole lives in clubs 641 00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:41,968 and different bands, putting a band together. 642 00:31:42,034 --> 00:31:44,302 I mean, first day we wrote "Madalaine", 643 00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:46,972 "Time to Surrender" and maybe even "Seventeen". 644 00:31:47,038 --> 00:31:48,479 Do you remember that cord thing 645 00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:50,287 you did in the very beginning of it? The... 646 00:31:55,913 --> 00:31:58,884 Reb and I worked for six months. 647 00:31:58,951 --> 00:32:01,353 And everybody turned us down still. 648 00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:03,355 Beau Hill was very good friends 649 00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:05,923 with Doug Morris at Atlantic. 650 00:32:05,991 --> 00:32:09,528 Doug was like, "Don't play me anymore Kip Winger." 651 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:11,563 Beau just said, "Just listen to this." 652 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,709 What planet are you from, man? That's great. 653 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,344 We got it! 654 00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,003 Doug was like, "That sounds pretty good. 655 00:32:27,145 --> 00:32:29,780 Okay, well, we'll just give you the minimum deal." 656 00:32:29,847 --> 00:32:31,182 Like, we got the worst deal. 657 00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:33,051 And we're like, "We'll take it. 658 00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:36,188 Just give us a shot and we'll fucking take it." 659 00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:42,094 We started getting interest 660 00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:44,363 from Atlantic Records. 661 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,464 They fly on a helicopter. 662 00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:48,599 We're playing a roller skating rink. 663 00:32:52,503 --> 00:32:54,740 You know, you expect this to be happening, 664 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:58,544 some posh venue in New York City or Los Angeles. 665 00:32:58,609 --> 00:33:02,647 We're in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania at a roller rink. 666 00:33:02,713 --> 00:33:05,451 They're like, "We want the band." 667 00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:07,618 We were like, "Oh, my God!" 668 00:33:07,685 --> 00:33:11,557 The record deal to a young musician 669 00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:13,325 is the Holy Grail. 670 00:33:13,392 --> 00:33:14,893 It's what sets you apart 671 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,894 from every other band in the club circuit. 672 00:33:16,961 --> 00:33:19,498 ♪ We are the youth gone wild! ♪ 673 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:21,333 We were getting a shot. 674 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,301 We were getting a shot to have our music 675 00:33:23,368 --> 00:33:25,304 on a frigging album, 676 00:33:25,371 --> 00:33:29,775 with that Atlantic Records A in the center of it. 677 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,644 We're on the same label as Led Zeppelin, man. 678 00:33:32,711 --> 00:33:34,746 ♪ We are the youth gone wild! ♪ 679 00:33:40,652 --> 00:33:42,688 ♪ We are the youth gone wild! ♪ 680 00:33:42,753 --> 00:33:45,757 ♪ We've gone wild! Gone wild! ♪ 681 00:33:45,824 --> 00:33:48,826 You're strapped to that rocket ship, man. 682 00:33:48,894 --> 00:33:50,862 And you're riding this thing 683 00:33:50,929 --> 00:33:52,364 and you don't know where it's going, 684 00:33:52,431 --> 00:33:54,299 but you know it's going forward. 685 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,640 Sebastian Bach was kind of like 686 00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:04,542 nothing you'd ever seen before. 687 00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:06,345 He had the aura of the rock star. 688 00:34:06,412 --> 00:34:08,146 He had the "It." He had the je ne sais quoi. 689 00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,548 He had the whatever. Not everyone can do that. 690 00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:13,284 David Lee Roth had that, 691 00:34:13,351 --> 00:34:15,353 Bret Michaels has it. 692 00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,657 That's why these bands all are up there. 693 00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:20,826 So I wrote a book called "Louder Than Hell". 694 00:34:20,891 --> 00:34:24,496 It's billed as the definitive history of metal. 695 00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:26,864 And so my co-writer and I went to people 696 00:34:26,931 --> 00:34:28,867 and were like, you know, "What is metal?" 697 00:34:28,934 --> 00:34:30,501 "Where did metal start?" 698 00:34:30,568 --> 00:34:32,003 ♪ Gotta kick out my... ♪ 699 00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:35,740 The first wave of metal, 700 00:34:35,806 --> 00:34:37,342 where it all began. 701 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:39,577 ♪ Gonna kick out the jams ♪ 702 00:34:39,644 --> 00:34:41,313 ♪ Yeah, kick out the jams ♪ 703 00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:44,550 Detroit was kind of the proving ground 704 00:34:44,615 --> 00:34:46,284 of the MC5. 705 00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:48,820 Then came The Stooges. 706 00:34:50,289 --> 00:34:51,989 ♪ I got you under my wheels ♪ 707 00:34:52,056 --> 00:34:53,425 Alice Cooper. 708 00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:56,161 ♪ Got you under my wheels ♪ 709 00:34:57,563 --> 00:34:59,498 And Ted Nugent. 710 00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:03,934 Distortion, loud guitars, just antics, energy. 711 00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:06,905 You know, who-gives-a-shit kind of passions. 712 00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:11,876 In England, Zeppelin... 713 00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:15,347 ♪ There once was a woman, a strange kind of woman ♪ 714 00:35:15,414 --> 00:35:16,447 Deep Purple. 715 00:35:16,514 --> 00:35:18,516 ♪ Man in uniform ♪ 716 00:35:18,583 --> 00:35:20,219 Iron Maiden. 717 00:35:24,021 --> 00:35:25,791 We all arrived at Black Sabbath. 718 00:35:25,856 --> 00:35:28,793 Everyone sort of arrives at Black Sabbath. 719 00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:30,795 Ozzy may not arrive there, you know, he said, 720 00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:33,264 "Well, we're just a fucking blues band, aren't we?" 721 00:35:39,338 --> 00:35:41,472 Van Halen were from Pasadena, 722 00:35:41,539 --> 00:35:44,443 and they had a whole lot of backyard parties. 723 00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:47,378 And they played Gazzarri's. 724 00:35:47,445 --> 00:35:49,447 And they influenced so many other bands. 725 00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:58,757 Van Halen had the template for the shredding guitarist. 726 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:00,759 The outrageous frontman with the hair. 727 00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:04,429 Never would I call them metal, 728 00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:05,963 never would I call them hair metal, 729 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:09,000 but an influence on every single band 730 00:36:09,067 --> 00:36:11,469 that was metal that came afterwards for sure. 731 00:36:11,536 --> 00:36:15,072 ♪ Come on, feel the noise ♪ 732 00:36:15,139 --> 00:36:17,242 ♪ Girls, rock your boys ♪ 733 00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:19,911 Quiet Riot were definitely one of the first wave 734 00:36:19,978 --> 00:36:23,315 of the Los Angeles bands starting in the '70s. 735 00:36:23,382 --> 00:36:25,317 "Metal Health" was, unbelievably, 736 00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:28,987 the first to metal album to top the Billboard charts. 737 00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:31,657 Provided the impetus, like, metal, it might be happening. 738 00:36:31,722 --> 00:36:33,692 People are buying it. We can do it. 739 00:36:38,597 --> 00:36:40,666 Of course, MTV played a huge part 740 00:36:40,731 --> 00:36:42,132 in the explosion of metal. 741 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,036 ♪ We're not gonna take it ♪ 742 00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:47,338 Both Twisted Sister and Quiet Riot 743 00:36:47,405 --> 00:36:52,110 tapped into the teenage boy angst thing in their videos. 744 00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:55,514 Hits disenfranchised kids everywhere. 745 00:36:55,581 --> 00:36:57,349 Take check. 746 00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:59,550 Here we go. 747 00:36:59,617 --> 00:37:01,686 Just don't kick my coffee... 748 00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:04,655 because that would be the end of our friendship. 749 00:37:05,956 --> 00:37:08,193 Well, MTV was a visual medium, 750 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:10,461 and, uh, they were quickly, 751 00:37:10,528 --> 00:37:13,632 uh, scurrying around to find bands 752 00:37:13,699 --> 00:37:15,666 that were visually interesting. 753 00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:19,505 And lo and behold, in the heavy metal world, 754 00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:23,541 visual representation was as important as musical, 755 00:37:23,608 --> 00:37:28,347 so bands like Iron Maiden, Kiss, Twisted Sister and so on, 756 00:37:28,414 --> 00:37:33,050 we were concerned about the visual as well as the audio, 757 00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:34,753 and that was just perfect 758 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:37,922 for a visual audio medium like MTV. 759 00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:42,260 What do you do with your life? 760 00:37:42,327 --> 00:37:43,829 ♪ I wanna rock! ♪ 761 00:37:43,894 --> 00:37:45,096 ♪ Rock! ♪ 762 00:37:47,132 --> 00:37:48,166 ♪ I wanna rock! ♪ 763 00:37:48,233 --> 00:37:49,534 ♪ Rock! ♪ 764 00:37:51,068 --> 00:37:53,338 -♪ I want to rock ♪ -♪ Rock! ♪ 765 00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:57,175 ♪ I wanna rock ♪ 766 00:37:57,242 --> 00:37:58,943 ♪ Rock! ♪ 767 00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,545 When they first started out, 768 00:38:00,612 --> 00:38:02,880 MTV needed heavy metal. 769 00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:04,949 And they really helped take heavy metal, 770 00:38:05,016 --> 00:38:06,552 re-birth heavy metal 771 00:38:06,652 --> 00:38:08,186 and take it to a whole 'nother level. 772 00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:10,588 Hold on to your jams, because for the next two hours, 773 00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,056 you're going to see all out, 774 00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:15,561 no-nonsense, wall-to-wall metal. 775 00:38:15,626 --> 00:38:19,565 Back here on Heavy Metal Mania with my guest, Jon Bon Jovi. 776 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:22,733 I hosted a show called Heavy Metal Mania. 777 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,070 After a year and a half, I asked to be paid. 778 00:38:25,135 --> 00:38:26,438 MTV said, 779 00:38:26,505 --> 00:38:29,039 "Dee, we don't pay money. 780 00:38:29,106 --> 00:38:30,976 This is great for you. This is promotion." 781 00:38:31,041 --> 00:38:33,644 I was like, "You gotta be fucking kidding me. 782 00:38:33,711 --> 00:38:35,646 I really don't need Heavy Metal Mania 783 00:38:35,713 --> 00:38:37,382 to give me exposure. 784 00:38:37,449 --> 00:38:38,884 I need money." 785 00:38:38,949 --> 00:38:40,985 MTV's Heavy Metal Mania. 786 00:38:41,052 --> 00:38:43,153 Eventually, they did pay me. 787 00:38:47,224 --> 00:38:48,994 After I left, Heavy Metal Mania 788 00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:51,730 became Headbanger's Ball. 789 00:38:51,797 --> 00:38:54,733 Riki Rachtman here, welcome to the Headbanger's Ball. 790 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,668 For many years, 791 00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,804 well, five that I remember, 792 00:38:58,869 --> 00:39:00,739 we had the Headbanger's Ball on MTV. 793 00:39:00,806 --> 00:39:02,974 We traveled far across the globe to... 794 00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:04,141 to Rio de Janeiro... 795 00:39:04,208 --> 00:39:05,777 - New Orleans... - Japan... 796 00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:08,947 We've got Metal Church, Dangerous Toys, 797 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,449 Motorhead, Judas Priest and Alice Cooper. 798 00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:16,286 Headbanger's Ball broke so many bands. 799 00:39:16,353 --> 00:39:18,193 And here we have Jack Russell from Great White. 800 00:39:18,222 --> 00:39:20,791 And all of a sudden, we're in your home. 801 00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:22,403 We're bringing these people to your home. 802 00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:23,628 This is Alice Cooper, 803 00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:25,530 and this is Joe Satriani. 804 00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:29,333 If you live in this small town, it was the way 805 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,536 that people found out about these bands. 806 00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:32,880 Remember to keep one foot in the gutter, 807 00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:34,773 one fist in the gold. See ya. 808 00:39:43,414 --> 00:39:45,550 I was pretty involved with Motley Crue 809 00:39:45,617 --> 00:39:47,485 in trying to help them get a record deal. 810 00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:49,387 I took a few meetings. 811 00:39:49,454 --> 00:39:52,023 I didn't really know that many A & R people yet, 812 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,559 but I, like, played it for John Kolodner 813 00:39:54,626 --> 00:39:57,528 with Geffen Records and a few others, 814 00:39:57,596 --> 00:40:00,666 but then they got new management, 815 00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:04,335 and all of a sudden I was kind of out of a job. 816 00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,905 They still owe me $3,000. 817 00:40:06,972 --> 00:40:09,039 You know, $3,000 in interest 818 00:40:09,106 --> 00:40:11,409 has got to be a lot of money at this point, right? 819 00:40:14,411 --> 00:40:16,280 ♪ Plug me in, I'm alive tonight ♪ 820 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,592 Motley Crue was one of the first hair bands. 821 00:40:18,617 --> 00:40:21,487 Motley were very lucky or smart 822 00:40:21,552 --> 00:40:23,922 in that they got both men and women, 823 00:40:23,989 --> 00:40:25,090 in the early days. 824 00:40:25,155 --> 00:40:27,324 ♪ 'Cause I'm alive! ♪ 825 00:40:27,391 --> 00:40:29,427 ♪ Live wire ♪ 826 00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:33,664 This was the first type of metal that appealed to women. 827 00:40:36,233 --> 00:40:38,068 They were aesthetically forbidden, 828 00:40:38,135 --> 00:40:41,271 visually forbidden, sonically forbidden. 829 00:40:41,338 --> 00:40:43,240 They were just bad boys, 830 00:40:43,307 --> 00:40:45,876 but they had hooks 831 00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:49,514 and they looked so fucking cool. 832 00:40:51,483 --> 00:40:53,117 It was so exciting and new 833 00:40:53,184 --> 00:40:55,586 and cool and unpredictable. 834 00:40:55,653 --> 00:40:56,722 People were just thrilled. 835 00:40:58,322 --> 00:40:59,802 "The local glam metal movement" 836 00:40:59,858 --> 00:41:02,193 was ignited by Motley Crue in '82 837 00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,862 with their lecherous landmark debut, 'Too Fast for Love', 838 00:41:04,929 --> 00:41:08,398 and taken to further cacophonous extremes in '83 839 00:41:08,465 --> 00:41:10,235 "with Dokken's 'Breaking the Chains'." 840 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:13,237 ♪ Breaking the chains around you ♪ 841 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,039 ♪ Nobody else can bind you... ♪ 842 00:41:15,106 --> 00:41:16,182 "The following year brought" 843 00:41:16,206 --> 00:41:17,909 Motley running mates Ratt 844 00:41:18,043 --> 00:41:20,277 into the fray with their "Out of the Cellar" LP." 845 00:41:20,344 --> 00:41:22,480 ♪ Round and round ♪ 846 00:41:22,547 --> 00:41:26,483 ♪ With love, we'll find a way, just give it time ♪ 847 00:41:26,552 --> 00:41:28,753 "The Sunset Strip had become the vortex 848 00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:30,722 of volume and decadence, 849 00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:34,025 for not just Los Angeles, but the entire rocking planet." 850 00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:36,661 Thank you. 851 00:41:37,896 --> 00:41:41,967 ♪ I'm live in Texas! ♪ 852 00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:43,668 ♪ Texas! ♪ 853 00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:46,403 I was just like, "Wow! If you grow your hair long..." 854 00:41:46,471 --> 00:41:50,742 ♪ No way, no way to love ♪ 855 00:41:50,809 --> 00:41:53,510 "you can be on MTV and be rich." 856 00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:55,512 ♪ Don't you change that song ♪ 857 00:41:55,581 --> 00:41:58,849 ♪ I miss my baby ♪ 858 00:41:58,916 --> 00:42:01,586 Everything in Hollywood was just kicking ass. 859 00:42:03,353 --> 00:42:05,523 That big scene was like a magnet 860 00:42:05,590 --> 00:42:07,291 for people across the country to come here. 861 00:42:07,391 --> 00:42:11,528 ♪ We got your number off the bathroom wall ♪♪ 862 00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:14,331 We were all kids from different areas, 863 00:42:14,398 --> 00:42:16,802 trying to become rock stars, to get record deals. 864 00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:19,369 That was like, "Got to get a record deal." 865 00:42:19,436 --> 00:42:21,606 The odds of getting a record deal 866 00:42:21,672 --> 00:42:24,643 were actually, at that time, not bad. 867 00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:26,476 They were probably like one in ten. 868 00:42:28,378 --> 00:42:30,447 The odds of having a hit 869 00:42:30,514 --> 00:42:31,882 were maybe one in a hundred. 870 00:42:31,949 --> 00:42:33,451 The odds of making it, 871 00:42:33,518 --> 00:42:35,186 were maybe one in a million. 872 00:42:39,224 --> 00:42:40,525 Getting signed, 873 00:42:40,592 --> 00:42:44,195 we knew that was a huge step. 874 00:42:44,262 --> 00:42:46,965 But then, when it really happens, it's kind of like, 875 00:42:47,032 --> 00:42:49,067 "Well, what does this actually mean?" 876 00:42:49,134 --> 00:42:51,802 Got a record deal, freaking out. 877 00:42:51,869 --> 00:42:53,570 Put the record out. 878 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,239 Nothing. 879 00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:56,974 Nothing happened. 880 00:42:57,041 --> 00:42:59,210 You pictured champagne being opened 881 00:42:59,277 --> 00:43:02,413 and this atmosphere of celebration 882 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,983 for your lifelong dream, 883 00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:06,851 and it was not that. 884 00:43:06,918 --> 00:43:09,019 In reality, it's only the start 885 00:43:09,086 --> 00:43:12,289 of the hell that you have to go through from there. 886 00:43:13,824 --> 00:43:14,860 Ha! 887 00:43:18,195 --> 00:43:21,699 ♪ Now you tell me there's a change in plans ♪ 888 00:43:21,766 --> 00:43:24,769 ♪ And our castles were just made of sand ♪ 889 00:43:24,835 --> 00:43:27,905 ♪ I try to act like I understand ♪ 890 00:43:27,972 --> 00:43:31,108 ♪ But I don't at all ♪ 891 00:43:31,175 --> 00:43:34,244 ♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪ 892 00:43:34,311 --> 00:43:37,382 ♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪ 893 00:43:37,447 --> 00:43:40,751 ♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪ 894 00:43:40,818 --> 00:43:44,690 ♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪ 65188

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