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Open up and say, "Ah."
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Ahh...
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I grew up in a dental family.
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My grandfather was a dentist.
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My uncles were dentists.
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My cousins are dentists.
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All right, I could,
with check up.
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Everybody is in
the tooth business.
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Come in.
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How are you doing today?
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Most of my patients...
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have no idea
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that I was ever in a band
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or any of that.
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Spent the first part of my life
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in front of a bunch of people
with my mouth wide open.
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Now my patients have
their mouths wide open.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
put your hands together,
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Vixen!
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We were all part of
that hair metal scene.
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It was like all of a sudden
being in the major leagues.
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In the '80s, hard rock and
roll, dominated the charts,
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and it was the greatest
thing in the world.
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People singing your songs,
the videos are doing incredible
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on MTV.
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Pants so tight you could tell
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I was circumcised.
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That's what you do in 1985.
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The, the term
hair metal. Well...
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I mean, what does it even mean?
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Those dudes with
their palm tree hair,
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settin' chicks on
fire in a Ferrari.
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I don't know what that means.
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The hair blowing
in those videos.
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There was some
pretty hokey shit,
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but not all of it.
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♪ Shake me all night ♪
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♪ She said shake me ♪
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♪ Shake it till... ♪
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The look, the fashion, the hair.
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The Aqua Net.
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You'd take one section
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and just spray the Aqua Net on.
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And then you'd go
to the next section
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and spray the Aqua Net on.
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We became like
the darlings on MTV.
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♪ Shake me all night ♪
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♪ She said shake me ♪
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And then, you
know, soon after that,
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everyone started hating us.
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It got increasingly more absurd.
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MTV said they're
not cool anymore.
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Which I guess is
the kiss of death.
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There was definitely
a wind of change.
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♪ Shake me all night ♪
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The rock star dream was
gonna die for you, dude.
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I had had enough.
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They just stopped
playing it. The end.
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People were buzzing about
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the Seattle sound.
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And it was over.
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The dimensions to being
a rock star are enormous.
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You're not a normal human being
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if you're a rock star.
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You're something out
of the side of the box.
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When a musician, who's
just a dude that has a guitar,
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and he's playing it in his room
somewhere in Akron, Ohio,
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looks in the mirror
one morning and says,
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"You know what, I'm
not just a guitar player.
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I'm not just a guy
who flips burgers.
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I'm a rock star."
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Now then the shift happens,
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and all of a sudden all
these new elements come in.
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Well, they are carrying a burden
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that not the rest
of us are carrying.
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They're unique.
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They are not of this world.
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- You want a beer?
- You got beer? Yes!
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- You want a beer?
- Of course I do.
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I almost sat on
it, and realized...
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I've been taking them
to school in the morning.
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- Yeah.
- But one of our songs
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would come on the radio,
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and my daughter is
like, "Snaky? That's you."
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- That's awesome.
- Yeah, it's fantastic.
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That is awesome.
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One of my older
brothers had a $40 guitar
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from the Sears and
Roebuck catalog.
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And the "Quick Picking, Fun
Strumming Home Guitar Course."
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Three minutes to show.
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You guys ready to rock?
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Yes, sir.
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And I started out
playing on one string.
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But I was like, "Holy
crap, this sound."
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I knew that music was my future.
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The allure of being a rock star
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when I was growing up
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was this larger than life idea,
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a superhero in a sense.
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I'm this strange kid from
Sayreville, New Jersey.
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I've got a job in
this music store.
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One day, I see this guy walk in,
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he just looked like a rock star.
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I said, "You want to
come up and jam?"
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We had such a great
time playing together.
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We would write until
five, six in the morning
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and then wake
up at eight o'clock
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to go to our day jobs.
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And we were relentless.
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We were rehearsing every night.
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If we weren't rehearsing,
we were writing music.
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Good wasn't good enough.
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You had to be great.
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And if you were great,
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maybe you would get
that all-elusive record deal.
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I had the distinct advantage
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of my friend Jon Bon Jovi
living up the street from me.
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He's several years
older than me.
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I love to say that.
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Jon had been paying attention
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and listening to our
music and giving us advice.
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I get a phone call from Jon,
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"Come up to my mom's house.
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I want you to meet my manager."
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"Well, who is your manager?"
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"My manager is Doc McGhee."
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"Oh, my God, I know that name.
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It's on the back
of Motley Crue's
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'Too Fast for Love'".
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They're in the backyard
hanging out by the pool,
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and there's this myth of a man.
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This is my moment.
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Take it.
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I start going,
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"I'm the best guitar
player around here.
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I am going to be a big star.
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I'm going to have the
greatest band in the world,"
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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"And you're going to
manage me some day."
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He looks at me, takes
a little breath and goes,
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"That's a great story. You
want to go get me a beer?"
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I just went...
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I'm just sitting there
waiting, man, like this.
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- Beautiful song.
- Can we go in there?
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Wanna put a little
acoustic down?
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Sure.
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I'm John Corabi, singer,
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guitar player, songwriter
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from just every band but ABBA.
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I don't know what I'm doing now,
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if it's the right thing
or the wrong thing,
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I'm just doing a song.
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I let it sit for two
or three months.
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I just put a new song out.
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And let that sit for
another couple months.
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- You could put a four songs...
- Five.
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And then package a
little eight song album.
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- You know?
- "Thriller" was eight songs.
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- Was it?
- Yeah.
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- "Thriller"?
- Yeah.
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- Are you fucking kidding me?
- No.
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I think with this one
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I should be able
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to buy a bottle of Jameson
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with the royalties.
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- I'm a huge fan.
- That's a success.
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I don't know.
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I don't... I don't even know
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what the word means anymore.
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I'm originally
from Philadelphia.
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Nobody in my family was musical,
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but there was music
always playing in the house.
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I was fascinated
with the Beatles.
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One year, I just came
downstairs, and my parents,
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I think they tried to cover
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both ends of the
spectrum with me.
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I had a guitar,
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and a microscope.
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"Let's get him a guitar.
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Maybe that will do
the creative thing,
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but hopefully he'll
go in this direction
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and be like a
doctor or something."
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And they failed
miserably on that one.
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I wanted to be a rock star.
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In Philadelphia, I
went from this band
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to that band, to that band,
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to that band, and
I just graduated
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to a really popular
band, Angora.
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And we just started
plugging away
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and playing, writing.
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Some of the guys
went out to L.A.,
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telling us there's 50 clubs
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where you can play
original rock music.
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"We got to go to L.A."
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♪ Standing on the corner ♪
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Hollywood, USA, baby!
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Come on. Let's go.
I'm a ham. I'm a ham.
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Yeah!
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The Sunset Strip
was pure insanity.
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Those two blocks from
The Whisky to Doheny...
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was wall-to-wall palm tree hair,
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long jackets,
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girls in lingerie,
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fishnet stockings,
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high heels,
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dudes with as much makeup on
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as their chicks.
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Angora moved to L.A.,
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and we just started
plugging away.
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Maybe get a record deal.
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It's the golden ticket.
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I was and still am very shy.
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I would never have mentioned,
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"I want to be a rock star."
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No.
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I grew up in Bozeman, Montana.
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My parents were Mormon.
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As young Mormon
women, young ladies,
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we were supposed to be groomed
to be good wives and mothers.
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We would learn
how to brush our hair,
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and put on makeup
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and look attractive,
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and learn how to cook
and do all that kind of stuff.
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I definitely knew I didn't fit
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in that whole thing.
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There was something,
something amiss about all that.
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When I first started
to get into rock,
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I remember checking
out female bands.
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♪ It's hard to live when
you're by yourself ♪
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I remember checking out Fanny.
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♪ Free, free spirit ♪
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There was a band called Birtha.
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♪ I got a free ♪
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And, of course, The Go-Go's.
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♪ We got the beat ♪
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- ♪ We got the beat ♪
- ♪ We got the beat ♪
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♪ Hello, world,
I'm your wild girl ♪
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♪ Like a ch-ch-ch... ♪
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The Runaways...
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♪ Cherry bomb! ♪
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But there were very few.
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But they were all really good.
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So it was like,
girls can do this.
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These are The Young Americans.
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♪ Shenandoah, Shenandoah ♪
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I ended up going to see
The Young Americans.
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I was blown away.
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They were like my age...
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♪ Oh, I vow to thee ♪
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doing amazingly slick,
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professional performing.
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♪ Shenandoah ♪
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Afterwards, they were
running around out in the halls.
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I said, "Wow, I was blown away.
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You are all so talented.
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This was amazing."
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They're like, "You
should audition."
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The director came out.
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He said, "Just sing me
a song that you like."
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So out of nowhere, I
picked a Bonnie Raitt song,
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and he was like, "Oh, you
know, you have a great voice."
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I crossed my fingers,
263
00:13:20,732 --> 00:13:22,568
and sure enough, I got picked.
264
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♪ I've seen it all and
how do I make you? ♪
265
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♪ How do I make you? ♪
266
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The Young Americans,
they were based in California,
267
00:13:29,442 --> 00:13:32,044
and I was like, "This is
where everything is happening.
268
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This is where I should be."
269
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So I called my parents and said,
270
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I'm not coming home.
271
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That didn't go over very big.
272
00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:43,023
You know, I quit school
without telling 'em.
273
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And then I started checking out
274
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the local rock scene.
275
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It was competitive.
276
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Everybody was trying
to get the most attention,
277
00:13:52,099 --> 00:13:55,634
trying to get that
elusive record deal.
278
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All of the bands
that were playing
279
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that scene at the time
were getting signed.
280
00:14:00,941 --> 00:14:04,945
If you could draw a good crowd,
you could get a record deal.
281
00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:06,812
So who didn't want to be there?
282
00:14:08,248 --> 00:14:10,327
Let me hear ya.
283
00:14:13,552 --> 00:14:17,924
I never wanted to
be in the L.A. thing.
284
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:20,259
New York suited me
perfectly because it was like,
285
00:14:20,326 --> 00:14:22,794
education center, you know.
286
00:14:22,861 --> 00:14:25,231
It wasn't about sex,
drugs and rock 'n' roll.
287
00:14:25,298 --> 00:14:26,933
That's never what I was about.
288
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,467
In New York, I can go see
289
00:14:28,534 --> 00:14:30,336
the New York City
Ballet one night,
290
00:14:30,403 --> 00:14:32,471
and I can go to
Radio City Music Hall
291
00:14:32,538 --> 00:14:34,049
and see something
else, and then I can go
292
00:14:34,073 --> 00:14:36,408
to Madison Square
Garden and see something.
293
00:14:36,475 --> 00:14:38,510
You know, like that was my vibe.
294
00:14:41,313 --> 00:14:43,951
I had a dream very early.
295
00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:45,918
I did my first
professional gig at eight,
296
00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:49,688
my guitar broke ten strings,
and it was just an awful gig.
297
00:14:50,923 --> 00:14:52,759
But I got paid 30 bucks
298
00:14:52,825 --> 00:14:55,028
and I thought, "I'm
in. This is it for me."
299
00:14:56,196 --> 00:14:57,830
I was just a little punk.
300
00:14:57,931 --> 00:15:00,033
I was like, you know,
I just wanted to rock.
301
00:15:02,101 --> 00:15:04,270
I lived in Hoboken,
302
00:15:04,336 --> 00:15:07,039
I'd go in the city
and take ballet class.
303
00:15:07,106 --> 00:15:09,109
I took bass lessons.
304
00:15:09,176 --> 00:15:12,044
A couple composition
lessons from a cat from Juilliard.
305
00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:14,681
I was always
doing a little bit here
306
00:15:14,746 --> 00:15:15,948
and a little bit there.
307
00:15:18,384 --> 00:15:20,220
I was shopping as a solo artist.
308
00:15:20,287 --> 00:15:22,855
For years.
309
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,957
Totally bumming,
I mean, it was like,
310
00:15:25,024 --> 00:15:26,994
I'm never going to get anywhere.
311
00:15:27,059 --> 00:15:29,495
- Okay, go. Oh!
- Oh! We got that.
312
00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:31,965
One of my very good
friends, Beau Hill,
313
00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:34,067
had a room in Atlantic Studios.
314
00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:37,203
He was producing Ratt,
315
00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:39,672
and he would have
me play bass on stuff
316
00:15:39,739 --> 00:15:41,173
and do some background vocals.
317
00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:44,711
So I was kind of
like his backup,
318
00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:47,346
like a utility team.
319
00:15:47,413 --> 00:15:48,981
I gave him all these demos
320
00:15:49,081 --> 00:15:50,883
and he kept playing
'em for record companies
321
00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:52,070
that would just keep saying,
322
00:15:52,119 --> 00:15:53,653
"This is terrible,"
323
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,188
and "Don't play me
anymore Kip Winger."
324
00:15:57,624 --> 00:15:58,825
For the most part,
325
00:15:58,890 --> 00:16:00,360
I was dead in the water.
326
00:16:12,072 --> 00:16:13,572
It's hard to really describe
327
00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:17,976
what it is that makes
a band sparkle.
328
00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:24,517
Whoops. Sorry.
329
00:16:26,019 --> 00:16:28,687
It's that hair
raising experience
330
00:16:28,754 --> 00:16:30,789
of when you hear their voice.
331
00:16:37,429 --> 00:16:41,268
♪ Hello, world ♪
332
00:16:41,334 --> 00:16:45,205
You just know
that they can do it.
333
00:16:45,272 --> 00:16:46,972
That's good. Sounds good, huh?
334
00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:48,240
Yeah.
335
00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,115
Ever since I was a child,
336
00:16:55,182 --> 00:16:56,948
I decided that I was going to be
337
00:16:57,015 --> 00:16:59,851
the best rock and roll
manager on the planet.
338
00:17:02,721 --> 00:17:05,325
I managed my first
boyfriend's bands.
339
00:17:06,893 --> 00:17:08,961
There just wasn't
really an outlet
340
00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:10,997
to go any farther.
341
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,602
I knew I had to
save up some money
342
00:17:15,666 --> 00:17:17,470
and move to California.
343
00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:20,507
And that's exactly what I did.
344
00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:22,075
I ended up taking a job
345
00:17:22,142 --> 00:17:23,309
at Licorice Pizza,
346
00:17:23,375 --> 00:17:24,809
which was the record store
347
00:17:24,876 --> 00:17:27,512
catty corner from
the Whisky a Go-Go.
348
00:17:29,915 --> 00:17:31,851
If location is everything,
349
00:17:31,917 --> 00:17:33,286
this was the spot.
350
00:17:34,921 --> 00:17:38,290
There was always a concert
going on at the Whisky.
351
00:17:38,357 --> 00:17:39,826
It was love at first sight.
352
00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:42,929
What's up!
353
00:17:42,994 --> 00:17:44,029
Metalheads!
354
00:17:44,096 --> 00:17:45,498
We're gonna be big some day.
355
00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:48,335
Drugs, alcohol,
356
00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,670
partying,
357
00:17:50,737 --> 00:17:54,039
nonstop music all the time.
358
00:17:54,106 --> 00:17:57,544
There were so many great
looking rocker dudes in there.
359
00:17:57,609 --> 00:17:59,778
We didn't have that in Indiana.
360
00:18:02,949 --> 00:18:04,517
I ended up meeting Motley Crue
361
00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,854
because Nikki Sixx
came into my store.
362
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,190
We had a thing
called Borrow Book.
363
00:18:10,257 --> 00:18:12,724
Nikki would ask me
to get records for him,
364
00:18:12,791 --> 00:18:13,902
and he'd take 'em
out, but then he would
365
00:18:13,925 --> 00:18:15,394
never bring the records back.
366
00:18:15,461 --> 00:18:17,497
So then I would end
up having to buy them.
367
00:18:19,097 --> 00:18:21,233
Motley Crue, when
I first met them,
368
00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:22,469
they hadn't been signed.
369
00:18:22,535 --> 00:18:23,970
They were just putting out
370
00:18:24,036 --> 00:18:27,807
their first six inch record.
371
00:18:27,874 --> 00:18:30,009
My manager
instinct like kicked in,
372
00:18:30,076 --> 00:18:32,378
and I knew they
were going to be huge.
373
00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:33,680
Put them up all through
374
00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:36,082
the Licorice Pizza stores.
375
00:18:36,148 --> 00:18:39,085
Then my boss said,
"Those better all sell,"
376
00:18:39,152 --> 00:18:41,119
"or you're going
to lose your job."
377
00:18:42,388 --> 00:18:43,423
I had shared with Nikki
378
00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:44,633
that I wanted to be a manager
379
00:18:44,656 --> 00:18:45,991
and I was like,
380
00:18:46,057 --> 00:18:48,161
"Wow, you can,
like, work with us."
381
00:18:48,228 --> 00:18:50,529
Management agreements
are kind of like marriages.
382
00:18:50,596 --> 00:18:53,098
You don't really know
if it's going to work,
383
00:18:53,165 --> 00:18:55,268
until you're actually in it.
384
00:19:14,287 --> 00:19:16,788
♪ The weekend's here again ♪
385
00:19:16,855 --> 00:19:20,125
I was in a band called Candy.
386
00:19:20,192 --> 00:19:22,729
We wanted to look
like four Nikki Sixxes.
387
00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,698
We all had long, tall,
388
00:19:25,765 --> 00:19:28,201
big black hair.
389
00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:30,403
The bigger the hair,
the bigger the paycheck.
390
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:33,539
♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪
391
00:19:33,605 --> 00:19:37,042
♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪
392
00:19:37,108 --> 00:19:39,645
♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪
393
00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:43,282
We started playing gigs in L.A.,
394
00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:46,286
but we had no following,
we had no friends.
395
00:19:46,353 --> 00:19:49,756
And we didn't really have
any idea how to build one.
396
00:19:51,357 --> 00:19:52,759
Nobody had a record deal.
397
00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:54,260
Nobody was on the radio,
398
00:19:54,326 --> 00:19:57,230
so it was really
hand-to-hand combat.
399
00:19:57,297 --> 00:20:00,732
♪ One, two, three, let's go! ♪
400
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,836
Self promotion was
the name of the game.
401
00:20:03,903 --> 00:20:06,472
Every Friday, Saturday
night on the Strip,
402
00:20:06,538 --> 00:20:09,174
every band that
wasn't inside the club
403
00:20:09,241 --> 00:20:11,009
was outside the
club on the sidewalk,
404
00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:12,444
handing out these flyers.
405
00:20:12,511 --> 00:20:14,780
Rock Asylum is a hot
band from New York.
406
00:20:14,846 --> 00:20:16,659
Bands would just go
hand flyers to women.
407
00:20:16,682 --> 00:20:18,585
That's how you met
people. It was really...
408
00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:20,487
pre-Internet, how you
found out about a show.
409
00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:22,821
"Oh, come to my show,
come to my show."
410
00:20:22,888 --> 00:20:25,124
You've got your flyer,
"three dollars off."
411
00:20:25,191 --> 00:20:29,328
Cool, all right. You know, you
needed that three dollars off.
412
00:20:29,395 --> 00:20:30,863
You would try to find
413
00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:34,133
a color that nobody
else was using.
414
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,368
You had to have a
really good photo,
415
00:20:36,435 --> 00:20:40,038
sort of sexy or menacing.
416
00:20:40,105 --> 00:20:42,308
And then you would have,
like, the name of the band,
417
00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:45,845
so you would need some
sort of interesting logo.
418
00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:48,780
And then hopefully you
have some dates scheduled,
419
00:20:48,847 --> 00:20:51,182
if you weren't a total poser,
420
00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:52,618
and then a ticket hotline
421
00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:54,320
where people could
call and be like,
422
00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:57,356
"Hey, this is Tommy
from Paradise,
423
00:20:57,423 --> 00:20:59,726
and we're going
to rock your ass."
424
00:20:59,791 --> 00:21:01,894
You had all the poles covered,
425
00:21:01,961 --> 00:21:03,630
the ground covered.
426
00:21:03,695 --> 00:21:05,498
You couldn't see the sidewalk
427
00:21:05,565 --> 00:21:08,500
from Tower Records all
the way up to Gil Turner's.
428
00:21:08,567 --> 00:21:10,636
It looked like it was New
Year's Eve every night.
429
00:21:11,903 --> 00:21:14,507
Poison was the kings
430
00:21:14,574 --> 00:21:16,343
of flyering.
431
00:21:16,409 --> 00:21:18,678
Poison had this whole
system worked out
432
00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:21,381
where they would
go out in the van
433
00:21:21,448 --> 00:21:24,351
and one guy would
like stir the glue.
434
00:21:24,416 --> 00:21:26,685
The next guy would
put the glue on the poster
435
00:21:26,752 --> 00:21:28,019
and they would do this...
436
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,655
and then they would
jump out of the van
437
00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:31,257
and get on each
other's shoulders
438
00:21:31,324 --> 00:21:33,992
to put them up
high on the poles.
439
00:21:34,059 --> 00:21:36,496
You can't rip 'em down
if you can't reach 'em.
440
00:21:36,563 --> 00:21:38,263
And after every concert,
441
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:40,700
there would be tons of litter
442
00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:42,902
and flyers everywhere.
443
00:21:42,969 --> 00:21:46,172
The Beverly Hills Police
cracked down on that.
444
00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:48,875
If you got caught stapling
flyers to the telephone poles,
445
00:21:48,941 --> 00:21:50,509
you'd have to do
community service,
446
00:21:50,576 --> 00:21:52,044
taking them off.
447
00:21:52,111 --> 00:21:53,913
You can't imagine
448
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:56,383
the number of
trees that had to die
449
00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:59,018
in the name of metal.
450
00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:13,031
I got a job at Guitar Center,
451
00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:16,035
which was another great
way to meet musicians.
452
00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:17,936
And at one point, some
girl comes up to me
453
00:22:18,003 --> 00:22:21,240
and she goes, "I know a
band you'd be perfect for."
454
00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:26,778
So I got a call from
a guy who said,
455
00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,815
"I am the manager of the group
456
00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:30,817
that's looking for a singer."
457
00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:32,384
So I said, "Hmm."
458
00:22:32,451 --> 00:22:33,920
I was looking for suspicious
459
00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:37,589
long haired guys, you
know, musician-y types.
460
00:22:37,656 --> 00:22:39,224
I said, "I didn't see anybody."
461
00:22:39,392 --> 00:22:41,794
And he goes, "Yeah,
they're right over at the bar."
462
00:22:41,861 --> 00:22:44,564
And it was Jan and Lori.
463
00:22:44,631 --> 00:22:49,435
And I was like,
"Oh! It's a girl thing!"
464
00:22:49,501 --> 00:22:50,936
But I had never
done that before.
465
00:22:51,002 --> 00:22:54,673
I was always "the
girl" in the band.
466
00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:57,644
And we got together
and it was a blast.
467
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:58,810
We just hit it off.
468
00:22:58,877 --> 00:22:59,945
I mean, once in a while,
469
00:23:00,011 --> 00:23:01,346
I would smile and stuff, too.
470
00:23:01,413 --> 00:23:02,682
"Get ass!"
471
00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:06,452
We pretty much
spent all our time
472
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:10,690
rehearsing and
playing the Strip.
473
00:23:10,757 --> 00:23:14,192
We ended up going on
the road a lot, though,
474
00:23:14,259 --> 00:23:19,198
station wagon, van
pulling a U-Haul trailer,
475
00:23:19,265 --> 00:23:21,200
playing any place
and every place
476
00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:22,868
that we could, from anywhere
477
00:23:22,934 --> 00:23:27,105
from five people to a
couple hundred people.
478
00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:29,442
We're going to do
whatever we have to do
479
00:23:29,509 --> 00:23:32,211
to get the attention
we need to get signed,
480
00:23:32,278 --> 00:23:34,513
make records and be rock stars.
481
00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:51,297
The first bit of
pip?? overdubbing.
482
00:23:51,363 --> 00:23:52,875
The camera'd been on
about three seconds...
483
00:23:52,898 --> 00:23:54,967
and he fucked up!
484
00:23:55,034 --> 00:23:57,703
While I was waiting tables
in Hoboken, New Jersey,
485
00:23:57,769 --> 00:23:59,971
Beau called me up and
said, "Hey, get up here."
486
00:24:00,038 --> 00:24:02,074
We need four songs
for Alice Cooper.
487
00:24:02,141 --> 00:24:03,875
I was like, "Oh, my God!"
488
00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,213
I was a huge Alice Cooper fan.
489
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:09,981
A huge Alice Cooper fan.
490
00:24:10,048 --> 00:24:11,817
I knew more about Alice Cooper
491
00:24:11,884 --> 00:24:13,653
then he could remember.
492
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,088
That was like, preparation
met with opportunity.
493
00:24:17,155 --> 00:24:20,058
Walked in, playing
that shit first take.
494
00:24:20,125 --> 00:24:21,728
It was like, "Yes!"
495
00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:23,328
You know, just like...
496
00:24:25,664 --> 00:24:27,333
And so I said, "Alice, man,
497
00:24:27,398 --> 00:24:29,268
if you go out on
tour, call me up."
498
00:24:29,335 --> 00:24:32,104
But I remember him going,
"Okay, I'll keep that in mind."
499
00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:34,105
But nothing, nothing,
nothing, nothing.
500
00:24:34,173 --> 00:24:35,573
And then they called
me up and said,
501
00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:36,884
"Hey, do you
want to do the gig?"
502
00:24:36,909 --> 00:24:38,510
And I was like...
503
00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:44,784
I had really short hair.
504
00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:47,185
And they made us
get hair extensions,
505
00:24:47,252 --> 00:24:49,689
and then the next day,
I've got hair down to here,
506
00:24:49,756 --> 00:24:52,692
and we're all doing the
Alice Cooper show biz thing.
507
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:57,429
♪ For criminal acts and
violence on the stage ♪
508
00:24:57,496 --> 00:25:00,098
Two months before,
I was waiting tables.
509
00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,535
Two months later,
got on the stage,
510
00:25:02,602 --> 00:25:04,269
sold out Joe Louis Arena,
511
00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:06,038
live on MTV,
512
00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:08,740
20,000 people flipping out,
513
00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:10,643
and I had to get oriented.
514
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:14,580
I was completely losing
myself in this, you know,
515
00:25:14,646 --> 00:25:15,914
"Oh, my God, I'm playing bass."
516
00:25:15,981 --> 00:25:19,586
♪ You can go to hell ♪
517
00:25:19,652 --> 00:25:22,253
As much as I loved
Alice, I felt like,
518
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,557
you know, once a side
man, always a side man.
519
00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:26,593
I said that I was
leaving, you know,
520
00:25:26,659 --> 00:25:28,002
and everybody was like,
"What? You're leaving?
521
00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:29,895
Oh, my God, this
is a great band,
522
00:25:30,061 --> 00:25:31,773
and we're going to go out
on the road for another year,"
523
00:25:31,798 --> 00:25:35,801
and everybody was
like, "Wow! What a move!"
524
00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:37,604
It's really hot, so don't blow
525
00:25:37,670 --> 00:25:39,739
your voice out
on the first pass.
526
00:25:39,806 --> 00:25:41,173
But it was a pretty
cool band, man,
527
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,142
and that's where I met Reb.
528
00:25:43,209 --> 00:25:46,444
♪ She's so downhearted ♪
529
00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:49,816
♪ She's what you
want, what you need ♪
530
00:25:49,882 --> 00:25:52,483
I was like, "Let's start
a band, you know.
531
00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:53,871
We should put
something together."
532
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,755
♪ Drops the bomb ♪
533
00:26:14,073 --> 00:26:15,875
We're working.
534
00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:17,853
I'm working at the music
store, Rachel and I are writing.
535
00:26:17,876 --> 00:26:19,979
We're rehearsing like crazy.
536
00:26:20,046 --> 00:26:22,848
And Jon, he's getting
ready to go on tour.
537
00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:25,116
So he's like, "You want to
come out and do three shows?"
538
00:26:25,183 --> 00:26:28,855
And we're like,
"No. No, I'd rather,"
539
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:31,323
I'd rather sit here and
work in the music store
540
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:33,992
for 12 hours a day
and hear kids playing
541
00:26:34,059 --> 00:26:35,859
"Smoke on the Water"
and "Stairway to Heaven".
542
00:26:35,894 --> 00:26:38,163
The singer that
we had at the time
543
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:40,398
was this kid named Matt Fallon.
544
00:26:40,465 --> 00:26:45,237
Matt was a good singer,
but he wasn't great.
545
00:26:45,304 --> 00:26:47,707
So we go to those
shows and we play,
546
00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:50,576
and we think we're the shit.
547
00:26:50,643 --> 00:26:54,313
After the show, Doc McGhee
comes in the dressing room,
548
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:56,548
and goes, "You guys are good.
549
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,183
You got really good songs.
550
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:59,919
Your singer sucks."
551
00:26:59,986 --> 00:27:01,988
I'm like, "Yeah?"
552
00:27:02,054 --> 00:27:03,855
He goes, "You got
to get a new singer."
553
00:27:03,923 --> 00:27:07,926
We were auditioning singer
after singer after singer.
554
00:27:07,993 --> 00:27:11,931
And we knew that if we
could find the right person,
555
00:27:11,998 --> 00:27:14,733
these songs would
speak for themselves.
556
00:27:22,574 --> 00:27:26,444
Mark Weiss, who's a very
renowned rock photographer,
557
00:27:26,511 --> 00:27:29,015
he has a wedding.
558
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,750
At that wedding,
559
00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:34,220
a young singer by the
name of Sebastian Bach.
560
00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:35,586
And he's crazy.
561
00:27:35,653 --> 00:27:37,388
He's like six-foot-twelve
562
00:27:37,455 --> 00:27:39,858
and his hair is outrageous.
563
00:27:39,925 --> 00:27:41,460
But he's an amazing singer.
564
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,964
We sent Sebastian four songs...
565
00:27:46,031 --> 00:27:48,166
Huh!
566
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:54,440
He says he loves the songs.
567
00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:56,787
We're like, "Well, do you want
to come down and audition?"
568
00:27:57,977 --> 00:27:59,644
So we fly him in from Toronto,
569
00:27:59,711 --> 00:28:01,247
where he was living,
570
00:28:01,313 --> 00:28:04,650
and shows up at my mom's house.
571
00:28:04,717 --> 00:28:06,986
One of the first things he says,
572
00:28:07,053 --> 00:28:08,153
"Yo, dudes, what's up?
573
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:11,057
I got a nine-inch dick."
574
00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:14,059
And Rachel looks at
me, but he says to me,
575
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:16,996
"He's a great singer, but
it's going to be trouble."
576
00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:33,112
Angora had a lot of interest
577
00:28:33,179 --> 00:28:35,114
from different labels,
578
00:28:35,181 --> 00:28:37,282
different managers.
579
00:28:37,348 --> 00:28:39,518
Gene Simmons
was interested in us.
580
00:28:39,585 --> 00:28:42,922
We did a demo
tape with Steve Vai.
581
00:28:43,855 --> 00:28:44,856
So we were getting
582
00:28:44,923 --> 00:28:46,258
a lot of interest.
583
00:28:48,861 --> 00:28:53,464
We had a rehearsal room
that was 500 a month.
584
00:28:53,531 --> 00:28:56,667
I was kind of the
de facto leader.
585
00:28:56,734 --> 00:28:59,806
And I'd go, "Okay, I need
your... I need your rent money.
586
00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:01,440
It's the first."
587
00:29:01,507 --> 00:29:04,810
Some of the guys would
not have their rent money
588
00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:07,779
for rehearsal, but
then I'd see them
589
00:29:07,846 --> 00:29:10,548
the next day with a
giant bag of weed,
590
00:29:10,615 --> 00:29:13,152
and I just said,
"I came out here
591
00:29:13,219 --> 00:29:14,886
to get a record deal.
592
00:29:14,953 --> 00:29:17,123
I came here to be a rock star,
593
00:29:17,189 --> 00:29:20,026
and you're kind of
fucking with my plan."
594
00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:24,029
But then a couple of 'em
actually started smoking crack.
595
00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:27,232
Equipment started
to go missing, and...
596
00:29:27,298 --> 00:29:29,902
and I just said, "You
know what, I'm out."
597
00:29:29,969 --> 00:29:31,971
♪ Whoo! ♪
598
00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:44,250
Within probably a few months
599
00:29:44,316 --> 00:29:46,352
of joining the band,
we ended up doing
600
00:29:46,417 --> 00:29:48,921
this goofy movie Hardbodies,
601
00:29:48,988 --> 00:29:50,622
and some of our
songs were in that.
602
00:29:53,159 --> 00:29:54,425
♪ Oh ♪
603
00:29:54,492 --> 00:29:55,894
And of course,
604
00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:58,596
my Mormon mother went to see it.
605
00:29:58,663 --> 00:30:00,465
I warned her.
606
00:30:00,531 --> 00:30:02,067
I said, "Trust me."
607
00:30:02,134 --> 00:30:04,202
"You don't want
to see this movie."
608
00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:08,406
♪ By the phone, all alone ♪
609
00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:10,241
And I think she brought
610
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,377
a couple of her
friends with her.
611
00:30:12,443 --> 00:30:14,413
She said, "Oh, it was fun."
612
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,084
Right on, Mom!
613
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:19,710
What record company
you guys record for?
614
00:30:20,685 --> 00:30:22,153
Uh, we don't have a label.
615
00:30:22,221 --> 00:30:23,588
We can't even get a gig.
616
00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:26,625
We kind of realized
617
00:30:26,692 --> 00:30:29,060
we need to find a manager now.
618
00:30:29,127 --> 00:30:32,830
Alan Kovac did have a
couple of great artists.
619
00:30:32,898 --> 00:30:34,967
He was like, "I
know I can do this.
620
00:30:35,034 --> 00:30:37,669
I know I can make this
happen, and I'll get you signed."
621
00:30:37,736 --> 00:30:39,637
And it didn't take him long
622
00:30:39,704 --> 00:30:41,907
to come back with
record deal offers.
623
00:30:41,973 --> 00:30:44,276
And we were stunned.
624
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,744
It was exciting,
but it was also scary
625
00:30:46,811 --> 00:30:48,914
to sign on that dotted line.
626
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:52,817
So like this sound...
627
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:57,522
Because it's an
octave down in the solo.
628
00:30:57,588 --> 00:30:59,125
I programmed an octave down.
629
00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:01,527
So maybe just this sound
in the solo, you know,
630
00:31:01,593 --> 00:31:03,429
where it's panning and shit.
631
00:31:03,494 --> 00:31:05,763
I said read to Reb,
"Like, let's make a pact."
632
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:07,967
No outside work for six months.
633
00:31:08,034 --> 00:31:09,601
Like you don't take one job.
634
00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:11,202
I am not going to do anything,
635
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:14,173
but we're going to
focus on writing songs.
636
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,084
- This is where I sing.
- And we'll make demos.
637
00:31:16,107 --> 00:31:17,442
We're making the album now.
638
00:31:17,576 --> 00:31:19,310
And we'll try to
get a record deal.
639
00:31:34,125 --> 00:31:36,061
It was four guys who had played
640
00:31:36,127 --> 00:31:38,064
their whole lives in clubs
641
00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:41,968
and different bands,
putting a band together.
642
00:31:42,034 --> 00:31:44,302
I mean, first day we
wrote "Madalaine",
643
00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:46,972
"Time to Surrender" and
maybe even "Seventeen".
644
00:31:47,038 --> 00:31:48,479
Do you remember that cord thing
645
00:31:48,606 --> 00:31:50,287
you did in the very
beginning of it? The...
646
00:31:55,913 --> 00:31:58,884
Reb and I worked for six months.
647
00:31:58,951 --> 00:32:01,353
And everybody
turned us down still.
648
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:03,355
Beau Hill was very good friends
649
00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:05,923
with Doug Morris at Atlantic.
650
00:32:05,991 --> 00:32:09,528
Doug was like, "Don't play
me anymore Kip Winger."
651
00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:11,563
Beau just said,
"Just listen to this."
652
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,709
What planet are you
from, man? That's great.
653
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,344
We got it!
654
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,003
Doug was like, "That
sounds pretty good.
655
00:32:27,145 --> 00:32:29,780
Okay, well, we'll just give
you the minimum deal."
656
00:32:29,847 --> 00:32:31,182
Like, we got the worst deal.
657
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:33,051
And we're like, "We'll take it.
658
00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:36,188
Just give us a shot
and we'll fucking take it."
659
00:32:40,259 --> 00:32:42,094
We started getting interest
660
00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:44,363
from Atlantic Records.
661
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:46,464
They fly on a helicopter.
662
00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:48,599
We're playing a
roller skating rink.
663
00:32:52,503 --> 00:32:54,740
You know, you expect
this to be happening,
664
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:58,544
some posh venue in New
York City or Los Angeles.
665
00:32:58,609 --> 00:33:02,647
We're in Bethlehem,
Pennsylvania at a roller rink.
666
00:33:02,713 --> 00:33:05,451
They're like, "We
want the band."
667
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:07,618
We were like, "Oh, my God!"
668
00:33:07,685 --> 00:33:11,557
The record deal
to a young musician
669
00:33:11,623 --> 00:33:13,325
is the Holy Grail.
670
00:33:13,392 --> 00:33:14,893
It's what sets you apart
671
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,894
from every other
band in the club circuit.
672
00:33:16,961 --> 00:33:19,498
♪ We are the youth gone wild! ♪
673
00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:21,333
We were getting a shot.
674
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,301
We were getting a
shot to have our music
675
00:33:23,368 --> 00:33:25,304
on a frigging album,
676
00:33:25,371 --> 00:33:29,775
with that Atlantic Records
A in the center of it.
677
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,644
We're on the same label
as Led Zeppelin, man.
678
00:33:32,711 --> 00:33:34,746
♪ We are the youth gone wild! ♪
679
00:33:40,652 --> 00:33:42,688
♪ We are the youth gone wild! ♪
680
00:33:42,753 --> 00:33:45,757
♪ We've gone wild! Gone wild! ♪
681
00:33:45,824 --> 00:33:48,826
You're strapped to
that rocket ship, man.
682
00:33:48,894 --> 00:33:50,862
And you're riding this thing
683
00:33:50,929 --> 00:33:52,364
and you don't know
where it's going,
684
00:33:52,431 --> 00:33:54,299
but you know it's going forward.
685
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,640
Sebastian Bach was kind of like
686
00:34:01,707 --> 00:34:04,542
nothing you'd ever seen before.
687
00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:06,345
He had the aura
of the rock star.
688
00:34:06,412 --> 00:34:08,146
He had the "It." He
had the je ne sais quoi.
689
00:34:08,213 --> 00:34:10,548
He had the whatever.
Not everyone can do that.
690
00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:13,284
David Lee Roth had that,
691
00:34:13,351 --> 00:34:15,353
Bret Michaels has it.
692
00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:18,657
That's why these
bands all are up there.
693
00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:20,826
So I wrote a book
called "Louder Than Hell".
694
00:34:20,891 --> 00:34:24,496
It's billed as the
definitive history of metal.
695
00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:26,864
And so my co-writer
and I went to people
696
00:34:26,931 --> 00:34:28,867
and were like, you
know, "What is metal?"
697
00:34:28,934 --> 00:34:30,501
"Where did metal start?"
698
00:34:30,568 --> 00:34:32,003
♪ Gotta kick out my... ♪
699
00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:35,740
The first wave of metal,
700
00:34:35,806 --> 00:34:37,342
where it all began.
701
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:39,577
♪ Gonna kick out the jams ♪
702
00:34:39,644 --> 00:34:41,313
♪ Yeah, kick out the jams ♪
703
00:34:41,380 --> 00:34:44,550
Detroit was kind of
the proving ground
704
00:34:44,615 --> 00:34:46,284
of the MC5.
705
00:34:47,418 --> 00:34:48,820
Then came The Stooges.
706
00:34:50,289 --> 00:34:51,989
♪ I got you under my wheels ♪
707
00:34:52,056 --> 00:34:53,425
Alice Cooper.
708
00:34:53,492 --> 00:34:56,161
♪ Got you under my wheels ♪
709
00:34:57,563 --> 00:34:59,498
And Ted Nugent.
710
00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:03,934
Distortion, loud guitars,
just antics, energy.
711
00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:06,905
You know, who-gives-a-shit
kind of passions.
712
00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:11,876
In England, Zeppelin...
713
00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:15,347
♪ There once was a woman,
a strange kind of woman ♪
714
00:35:15,414 --> 00:35:16,447
Deep Purple.
715
00:35:16,514 --> 00:35:18,516
♪ Man in uniform ♪
716
00:35:18,583 --> 00:35:20,219
Iron Maiden.
717
00:35:24,021 --> 00:35:25,791
We all arrived at Black Sabbath.
718
00:35:25,856 --> 00:35:28,793
Everyone sort of
arrives at Black Sabbath.
719
00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:30,795
Ozzy may not arrive
there, you know, he said,
720
00:35:30,862 --> 00:35:33,264
"Well, we're just a fucking
blues band, aren't we?"
721
00:35:39,338 --> 00:35:41,472
Van Halen were from Pasadena,
722
00:35:41,539 --> 00:35:44,443
and they had a whole
lot of backyard parties.
723
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:47,378
And they played Gazzarri's.
724
00:35:47,445 --> 00:35:49,447
And they influenced
so many other bands.
725
00:35:54,186 --> 00:35:58,757
Van Halen had the template
for the shredding guitarist.
726
00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:00,759
The outrageous
frontman with the hair.
727
00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:04,429
Never would I call them metal,
728
00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:05,963
never would I call
them hair metal,
729
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:09,000
but an influence
on every single band
730
00:36:09,067 --> 00:36:11,469
that was metal that
came afterwards for sure.
731
00:36:11,536 --> 00:36:15,072
♪ Come on, feel the noise ♪
732
00:36:15,139 --> 00:36:17,242
♪ Girls, rock your boys ♪
733
00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:19,911
Quiet Riot were definitely
one of the first wave
734
00:36:19,978 --> 00:36:23,315
of the Los Angeles
bands starting in the '70s.
735
00:36:23,382 --> 00:36:25,317
"Metal Health"
was, unbelievably,
736
00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:28,987
the first to metal album
to top the Billboard charts.
737
00:36:29,054 --> 00:36:31,657
Provided the impetus, like,
metal, it might be happening.
738
00:36:31,722 --> 00:36:33,692
People are buying
it. We can do it.
739
00:36:38,597 --> 00:36:40,666
Of course, MTV
played a huge part
740
00:36:40,731 --> 00:36:42,132
in the explosion of metal.
741
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,036
♪ We're not gonna take it ♪
742
00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:47,338
Both Twisted
Sister and Quiet Riot
743
00:36:47,405 --> 00:36:52,110
tapped into the teenage
boy angst thing in their videos.
744
00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:55,514
Hits disenfranchised
kids everywhere.
745
00:36:55,581 --> 00:36:57,349
Take check.
746
00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:59,550
Here we go.
747
00:36:59,617 --> 00:37:01,686
Just don't kick my coffee...
748
00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:04,655
because that would be
the end of our friendship.
749
00:37:05,956 --> 00:37:08,193
Well, MTV was a visual medium,
750
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:10,461
and, uh, they were quickly,
751
00:37:10,528 --> 00:37:13,632
uh, scurrying
around to find bands
752
00:37:13,699 --> 00:37:15,666
that were visually interesting.
753
00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:19,505
And lo and behold, in
the heavy metal world,
754
00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:23,541
visual representation was
as important as musical,
755
00:37:23,608 --> 00:37:28,347
so bands like Iron Maiden,
Kiss, Twisted Sister and so on,
756
00:37:28,414 --> 00:37:33,050
we were concerned about
the visual as well as the audio,
757
00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:34,753
and that was just perfect
758
00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:37,922
for a visual audio
medium like MTV.
759
00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:42,260
What do you do with your life?
760
00:37:42,327 --> 00:37:43,829
♪ I wanna rock! ♪
761
00:37:43,894 --> 00:37:45,096
♪ Rock! ♪
762
00:37:47,132 --> 00:37:48,166
♪ I wanna rock! ♪
763
00:37:48,233 --> 00:37:49,534
♪ Rock! ♪
764
00:37:51,068 --> 00:37:53,338
-♪ I want to rock ♪
-♪ Rock! ♪
765
00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:57,175
♪ I wanna rock ♪
766
00:37:57,242 --> 00:37:58,943
♪ Rock! ♪
767
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,545
When they first started out,
768
00:38:00,612 --> 00:38:02,880
MTV needed heavy metal.
769
00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:04,949
And they really helped
take heavy metal,
770
00:38:05,016 --> 00:38:06,552
re-birth heavy metal
771
00:38:06,652 --> 00:38:08,186
and take it to a
whole 'nother level.
772
00:38:08,454 --> 00:38:10,588
Hold on to your jams,
because for the next two hours,
773
00:38:10,655 --> 00:38:12,056
you're going to see all out,
774
00:38:12,123 --> 00:38:15,561
no-nonsense, wall-to-wall metal.
775
00:38:15,626 --> 00:38:19,565
Back here on Heavy Metal
Mania with my guest, Jon Bon Jovi.
776
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:22,733
I hosted a show called
Heavy Metal Mania.
777
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,070
After a year and a
half, I asked to be paid.
778
00:38:25,135 --> 00:38:26,438
MTV said,
779
00:38:26,505 --> 00:38:29,039
"Dee, we don't pay money.
780
00:38:29,106 --> 00:38:30,976
This is great for you.
This is promotion."
781
00:38:31,041 --> 00:38:33,644
I was like, "You gotta
be fucking kidding me.
782
00:38:33,711 --> 00:38:35,646
I really don't need
Heavy Metal Mania
783
00:38:35,713 --> 00:38:37,382
to give me exposure.
784
00:38:37,449 --> 00:38:38,884
I need money."
785
00:38:38,949 --> 00:38:40,985
MTV's Heavy Metal Mania.
786
00:38:41,052 --> 00:38:43,153
Eventually, they did pay me.
787
00:38:47,224 --> 00:38:48,994
After I left, Heavy Metal Mania
788
00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:51,730
became Headbanger's Ball.
789
00:38:51,797 --> 00:38:54,733
Riki Rachtman here, welcome
to the Headbanger's Ball.
790
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,668
For many years,
791
00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:58,804
well, five that I remember,
792
00:38:58,869 --> 00:39:00,739
we had the
Headbanger's Ball on MTV.
793
00:39:00,806 --> 00:39:02,974
We traveled far
across the globe to...
794
00:39:03,041 --> 00:39:04,141
to Rio de Janeiro...
795
00:39:04,208 --> 00:39:05,777
- New Orleans...
- Japan...
796
00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:08,947
We've got Metal
Church, Dangerous Toys,
797
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,449
Motorhead, Judas
Priest and Alice Cooper.
798
00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:16,286
Headbanger's Ball
broke so many bands.
799
00:39:16,353 --> 00:39:18,193
And here we have Jack
Russell from Great White.
800
00:39:18,222 --> 00:39:20,791
And all of a sudden,
we're in your home.
801
00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:22,403
We're bringing these
people to your home.
802
00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:23,628
This is Alice Cooper,
803
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:25,530
and this is Joe Satriani.
804
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:29,333
If you live in this small
town, it was the way
805
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,536
that people found
out about these bands.
806
00:39:31,603 --> 00:39:32,880
Remember to keep
one foot in the gutter,
807
00:39:32,903 --> 00:39:34,773
one fist in the gold. See ya.
808
00:39:43,414 --> 00:39:45,550
I was pretty involved
with Motley Crue
809
00:39:45,617 --> 00:39:47,485
in trying to help them
get a record deal.
810
00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:49,387
I took a few meetings.
811
00:39:49,454 --> 00:39:52,023
I didn't really know that
many A & R people yet,
812
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:54,559
but I, like, played
it for John Kolodner
813
00:39:54,626 --> 00:39:57,528
with Geffen Records
and a few others,
814
00:39:57,596 --> 00:40:00,666
but then they got
new management,
815
00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:04,335
and all of a sudden I
was kind of out of a job.
816
00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,905
They still owe me $3,000.
817
00:40:06,972 --> 00:40:09,039
You know, $3,000 in interest
818
00:40:09,106 --> 00:40:11,409
has got to be a lot of
money at this point, right?
819
00:40:14,411 --> 00:40:16,280
♪ Plug me in,
I'm alive tonight ♪
820
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,592
Motley Crue was one
of the first hair bands.
821
00:40:18,617 --> 00:40:21,487
Motley were very lucky or smart
822
00:40:21,552 --> 00:40:23,922
in that they got both
men and women,
823
00:40:23,989 --> 00:40:25,090
in the early days.
824
00:40:25,155 --> 00:40:27,324
♪ 'Cause I'm alive! ♪
825
00:40:27,391 --> 00:40:29,427
♪ Live wire ♪
826
00:40:29,494 --> 00:40:33,664
This was the first type of
metal that appealed to women.
827
00:40:36,233 --> 00:40:38,068
They were
aesthetically forbidden,
828
00:40:38,135 --> 00:40:41,271
visually forbidden,
sonically forbidden.
829
00:40:41,338 --> 00:40:43,240
They were just bad boys,
830
00:40:43,307 --> 00:40:45,876
but they had hooks
831
00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:49,514
and they looked so fucking cool.
832
00:40:51,483 --> 00:40:53,117
It was so exciting and new
833
00:40:53,184 --> 00:40:55,586
and cool and unpredictable.
834
00:40:55,653 --> 00:40:56,722
People were just thrilled.
835
00:40:58,322 --> 00:40:59,802
"The local glam metal movement"
836
00:40:59,858 --> 00:41:02,193
was ignited by
Motley Crue in '82
837
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:04,862
with their lecherous landmark
debut, 'Too Fast for Love',
838
00:41:04,929 --> 00:41:08,398
and taken to further
cacophonous extremes in '83
839
00:41:08,465 --> 00:41:10,235
"with Dokken's
'Breaking the Chains'."
840
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:13,237
♪ Breaking the
chains around you ♪
841
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,039
♪ Nobody else can bind you... ♪
842
00:41:15,106 --> 00:41:16,182
"The following year brought"
843
00:41:16,206 --> 00:41:17,909
Motley running mates Ratt
844
00:41:18,043 --> 00:41:20,277
into the fray with their
"Out of the Cellar" LP."
845
00:41:20,344 --> 00:41:22,480
♪ Round and round ♪
846
00:41:22,547 --> 00:41:26,483
♪ With love, we'll find
a way, just give it time ♪
847
00:41:26,552 --> 00:41:28,753
"The Sunset Strip
had become the vortex
848
00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:30,722
of volume and decadence,
849
00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:34,025
for not just Los Angeles,
but the entire rocking planet."
850
00:41:35,193 --> 00:41:36,661
Thank you.
851
00:41:37,896 --> 00:41:41,967
♪ I'm live in Texas! ♪
852
00:41:42,032 --> 00:41:43,668
♪ Texas! ♪
853
00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:46,403
I was just like, "Wow! If
you grow your hair long..."
854
00:41:46,471 --> 00:41:50,742
♪ No way, no way to love ♪
855
00:41:50,809 --> 00:41:53,510
"you can be on MTV and be rich."
856
00:41:53,579 --> 00:41:55,512
♪ Don't you change that song ♪
857
00:41:55,581 --> 00:41:58,849
♪ I miss my baby ♪
858
00:41:58,916 --> 00:42:01,586
Everything in Hollywood
was just kicking ass.
859
00:42:03,353 --> 00:42:05,523
That big scene was like a magnet
860
00:42:05,590 --> 00:42:07,291
for people across the
country to come here.
861
00:42:07,391 --> 00:42:11,528
♪ We got your number
off the bathroom wall ♪♪
862
00:42:11,597 --> 00:42:14,331
We were all kids
from different areas,
863
00:42:14,398 --> 00:42:16,802
trying to become rock
stars, to get record deals.
864
00:42:16,867 --> 00:42:19,369
That was like, "Got
to get a record deal."
865
00:42:19,436 --> 00:42:21,606
The odds of
getting a record deal
866
00:42:21,672 --> 00:42:24,643
were actually, at
that time, not bad.
867
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:26,476
They were probably
like one in ten.
868
00:42:28,378 --> 00:42:30,447
The odds of having a hit
869
00:42:30,514 --> 00:42:31,882
were maybe one in a hundred.
870
00:42:31,949 --> 00:42:33,451
The odds of making it,
871
00:42:33,518 --> 00:42:35,186
were maybe one in a million.
872
00:42:39,224 --> 00:42:40,525
Getting signed,
873
00:42:40,592 --> 00:42:44,195
we knew that was a huge step.
874
00:42:44,262 --> 00:42:46,965
But then, when it really
happens, it's kind of like,
875
00:42:47,032 --> 00:42:49,067
"Well, what does
this actually mean?"
876
00:42:49,134 --> 00:42:51,802
Got a record deal, freaking out.
877
00:42:51,869 --> 00:42:53,570
Put the record out.
878
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,239
Nothing.
879
00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:56,974
Nothing happened.
880
00:42:57,041 --> 00:42:59,210
You pictured
champagne being opened
881
00:42:59,277 --> 00:43:02,413
and this atmosphere
of celebration
882
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,983
for your lifelong dream,
883
00:43:05,050 --> 00:43:06,851
and it was not that.
884
00:43:06,918 --> 00:43:09,019
In reality, it's only the start
885
00:43:09,086 --> 00:43:12,289
of the hell that you have
to go through from there.
886
00:43:13,824 --> 00:43:14,860
Ha!
887
00:43:18,195 --> 00:43:21,699
♪ Now you tell me
there's a change in plans ♪
888
00:43:21,766 --> 00:43:24,769
♪ And our castles
were just made of sand ♪
889
00:43:24,835 --> 00:43:27,905
♪ I try to act like
I understand ♪
890
00:43:27,972 --> 00:43:31,108
♪ But I don't at all ♪
891
00:43:31,175 --> 00:43:34,244
♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪
892
00:43:34,311 --> 00:43:37,382
♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪
893
00:43:37,447 --> 00:43:40,751
♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪
894
00:43:40,818 --> 00:43:44,690
♪ Whatever happened to fun? ♪
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