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It'd be an easy place to disappear. 7 00:01:09,424 --> 00:01:12,044 You know, there's no one around. 8 00:01:12,144 --> 00:01:13,725 There's no one going to hear anything. 9 00:01:13,825 --> 00:01:16,885 There's no one going to see anything. 10 00:01:16,985 --> 00:01:20,645 Supposedly, it went missing at sea, but... 11 00:01:20,745 --> 00:01:23,285 it's not what I've heard. 12 00:01:23,385 --> 00:01:28,286 It's not what anybody else believes either. 13 00:01:28,386 --> 00:01:30,766 I feel very uncomfortable talking about it 14 00:01:30,866 --> 00:01:37,126 because there was no doubt that this was a stain upon our soul. 15 00:01:37,226 --> 00:01:39,227 This was evil. 16 00:01:43,107 --> 00:01:45,947 And it really stunned all of us. 17 00:01:57,668 --> 00:02:01,648 The Gulf has tried to put a blanket 18 00:02:01,748 --> 00:02:03,249 over the whole thing. 19 00:02:03,349 --> 00:02:05,209 They just want it all suppressed. 20 00:02:05,309 --> 00:02:07,989 No one talks about it anymore. 21 00:02:14,870 --> 00:02:16,650 As for the young boy, I mean, 22 00:02:16,750 --> 00:02:19,250 I think he was just bloody, um, in the wrong spot 23 00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:21,930 at the wrong time, you know. 24 00:02:22,030 --> 00:02:23,250 Unbelievable. 25 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:26,551 A 10-year-old bloody kid out with his dad, fishing. 26 00:02:29,631 --> 00:02:32,531 A father and son had gone to do what they always do 27 00:02:32,631 --> 00:02:34,171 and hadn't returned. 28 00:02:34,271 --> 00:02:36,811 So, from a search-and-rescue point of view, 29 00:02:36,911 --> 00:02:38,932 they weren't, like, out in the middle of the ocean, 30 00:02:39,032 --> 00:02:41,072 they were in fairly close. 31 00:02:43,192 --> 00:02:46,392 I mean, they're obviously not just getting beamed up. 32 00:02:51,993 --> 00:02:53,773 It was a calm, sunny morning 33 00:02:53,873 --> 00:02:56,333 when Bevin Simmonds and his 10-year-old son, Brad, 34 00:02:56,433 --> 00:02:57,973 went to check their shark nets. 35 00:02:58,073 --> 00:03:01,813 But the daily routine ended in June 2003. 36 00:03:01,913 --> 00:03:03,654 Missing, presumed murdered, 37 00:03:03,754 --> 00:03:06,034 their bodies have never been found. 38 00:03:36,236 --> 00:03:37,736 The Gulf country 39 00:03:37,836 --> 00:03:42,777 is a different world, a completely different world. 40 00:03:42,877 --> 00:03:48,097 It's a cliche, I know, but up there men can be men. 41 00:03:48,197 --> 00:03:50,617 "Yeah, righto!" You go out the back of the pub. 42 00:03:50,717 --> 00:03:52,938 But it might go further than that, you know, 43 00:03:53,038 --> 00:03:55,038 might end up in a shootout. 44 00:03:56,598 --> 00:04:00,218 And this leads to people killing each other, 45 00:04:00,318 --> 00:04:04,539 which is not an uncommon event. 46 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:07,699 Professional fishing is the second oldest profession 47 00:04:07,799 --> 00:04:11,619 in the world, after prostitution. 48 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:14,539 You know, and I'm a killer, I'm a natural born killer. 49 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:16,880 I love killing things. 50 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,860 If you haven't got a criminal record, 51 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,780 you don't live in the Gulf. 52 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,060 That's what some of them used to say. 53 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,061 We used to call 'em the truckies of the sea, 54 00:04:28,161 --> 00:04:29,981 you know, the fishermen. 55 00:04:30,081 --> 00:04:32,461 They're fighting sharks, they're fighting crocodiles, 56 00:04:32,561 --> 00:04:34,061 they're fighting each other. 57 00:04:34,161 --> 00:04:36,221 If there wasn't three fights in the pub a night, 58 00:04:36,321 --> 00:04:38,421 the pub was closed. 59 00:04:38,521 --> 00:04:42,962 It's just a frontier. It's like the wild, wild west, really. 60 00:04:49,042 --> 00:04:55,623 So to go out on the sea was a very male-dominated place, 61 00:04:55,723 --> 00:04:59,423 and they didn't like women being on the sea. 62 00:04:59,523 --> 00:05:04,344 They didn't mind having sex with us, but they didn't like us. 63 00:05:04,444 --> 00:05:06,944 You know, like, if they're giving me trouble in a bar, 64 00:05:07,044 --> 00:05:09,264 I'd say, "Well, you want to step outside?" 65 00:05:09,364 --> 00:05:10,904 Hello! 66 00:05:11,004 --> 00:05:15,144 These were bulbously muscled, bloody idiots. 67 00:05:15,244 --> 00:05:16,985 But occasionally, you know, 68 00:05:17,085 --> 00:05:19,865 I'd throw a really nice glass jaw, 69 00:05:19,965 --> 00:05:23,465 and down would go so and so, "Oh, isn't that amazing! 70 00:05:23,565 --> 00:05:25,825 "It works, it works!" 71 00:05:25,925 --> 00:05:27,925 And then run like hell. 72 00:05:30,806 --> 00:05:34,066 You know, we're having these blues over turf 73 00:05:34,166 --> 00:05:36,786 every other day. 74 00:05:36,886 --> 00:05:41,707 Because we need to know we can make enough money to pay, 75 00:05:41,807 --> 00:05:44,627 you know, the hundred grand it costs you every month 76 00:05:44,727 --> 00:05:47,307 to get to sea. 77 00:05:47,407 --> 00:05:50,307 If you don't catch, you don't get paid. 78 00:05:50,407 --> 00:05:52,647 So your arse is on the line. 79 00:05:57,168 --> 00:06:00,508 I mean, you try and become civilised. 80 00:06:00,608 --> 00:06:05,589 But the hatred levels can get very, very serious indeed. 81 00:06:05,689 --> 00:06:07,809 And they're in the middle of nowhere. 82 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,429 The police? They may as well not be there. 83 00:06:11,529 --> 00:06:13,529 They don't exist. 84 00:06:21,010 --> 00:06:23,310 There's nothing up there. Have a look on a map. 85 00:06:23,410 --> 00:06:24,870 You've got Karumba, 86 00:06:24,970 --> 00:06:26,510 and you've got Weipa, 87 00:06:26,610 --> 00:06:28,270 and you got bugger-all in between. 88 00:06:28,370 --> 00:06:32,671 A couple of Aboriginal establishments there, 89 00:06:32,771 --> 00:06:34,231 and then you go from Karumba 90 00:06:34,331 --> 00:06:36,471 all the way over to the NT border 91 00:06:36,571 --> 00:06:39,071 and you've got a couple of cattle stations. 92 00:06:39,171 --> 00:06:40,911 You go on the beach there by yourself, 93 00:06:41,011 --> 00:06:43,112 someone drops you off, you're dead. 94 00:06:43,212 --> 00:06:45,272 That's it. You ain't getting home. 95 00:06:45,372 --> 00:06:47,232 You know, you've got so many rivers to cross. 96 00:06:47,332 --> 00:06:50,152 And if you've seen those rivers, they snake around 97 00:06:50,252 --> 00:06:52,312 and around and around like that. 98 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:54,113 It's-- You just get lost. 99 00:06:54,213 --> 00:06:58,213 It's, yeah, it's, it's dead man's country. 100 00:06:59,053 --> 00:07:01,433 It really is. 101 00:07:14,654 --> 00:07:18,014 We all have traditional homelands... 102 00:07:19,095 --> 00:07:21,595 but that land... 103 00:07:21,695 --> 00:07:26,115 we don't own it. That land owns us. 104 00:07:26,215 --> 00:07:30,035 So when we pass, we go back to that place. 105 00:07:31,736 --> 00:07:33,876 Back to our homeland. 106 00:07:33,976 --> 00:07:36,176 It's just like heaven. 107 00:07:37,376 --> 00:07:40,656 But that's my paradise - homeland. 108 00:07:43,457 --> 00:07:45,677 And we grow up with those song lines 109 00:07:45,777 --> 00:07:49,337 until the day we depart Mother Earth. 110 00:07:57,178 --> 00:07:59,638 Ah, "who am I?" is a good question. 111 00:07:59,738 --> 00:08:02,078 I don't know. I'm an artist, I guess. 112 00:08:02,178 --> 00:08:03,398 You know, it's right. 113 00:08:03,498 --> 00:08:06,999 There's something about the pencil on the page. 114 00:08:07,099 --> 00:08:09,079 The sound of it, the smell of it. 115 00:08:09,179 --> 00:08:11,619 I dig it, you know, like, yeah. 116 00:08:13,059 --> 00:08:16,519 I literally drove to Cairns. 117 00:08:16,619 --> 00:08:18,479 Yeah, straight out of art school. 118 00:08:18,579 --> 00:08:21,000 It just felt exactly right. 119 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:25,000 But Cairns is pretty much the end of civilisation. 120 00:08:25,100 --> 00:08:26,680 You can go to Port Douglas. 121 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:29,280 You can get to Cooktown, if you call that civilised. 122 00:08:29,380 --> 00:08:31,081 I don't know, many people wouldn't. 123 00:08:31,181 --> 00:08:32,961 But it's where the bitumen stops, 124 00:08:33,061 --> 00:08:36,861 and after that, there's really, honestly nothing much there. 125 00:08:38,661 --> 00:08:41,081 It's a long drive, man, and I'd run out of money. 126 00:08:41,181 --> 00:08:43,162 And by the time I got there, I had nothing. 127 00:08:43,262 --> 00:08:47,802 And, um, yeah, got on a fishing boat, you know, 128 00:08:47,902 --> 00:08:50,042 literally the next day. 129 00:09:04,423 --> 00:09:06,043 You're on this pristine river. 130 00:09:06,143 --> 00:09:08,884 It's the morning, and the mist is rising off the river, 131 00:09:08,984 --> 00:09:11,324 and, you know, the sun's coming up, 132 00:09:11,424 --> 00:09:12,964 and you're gunning the dinghy, 133 00:09:13,064 --> 00:09:16,084 and it's fucking-- this is beautiful, you know, like... 134 00:09:16,184 --> 00:09:18,044 And then the bugs start hitting you in the face, 135 00:09:18,144 --> 00:09:19,605 and it's like, pom, pom, pom, pom! 136 00:09:19,705 --> 00:09:21,365 and you can't fucking see anything. 137 00:09:21,465 --> 00:09:23,645 You turn your head like that and look out the corner of your eye 138 00:09:23,745 --> 00:09:25,565 and they're going in your ears, you know? 139 00:09:27,105 --> 00:09:29,485 Fuck this beautiful place, mate. 140 00:09:29,585 --> 00:09:31,405 Why does everything here turn to shit? 141 00:09:31,505 --> 00:09:34,086 You know, like, and they were everywhere. 142 00:09:34,186 --> 00:09:36,686 They were up my arse, they were behind my ears. 143 00:09:36,786 --> 00:09:38,006 They're like... 144 00:09:38,106 --> 00:09:41,686 And that was just the sandflies. 145 00:09:41,786 --> 00:09:44,047 Fuck! It's, you know, you have this idea in your head 146 00:09:44,147 --> 00:09:47,047 and then you face the horrible hard reality, 147 00:09:47,147 --> 00:09:49,447 that nature doesn't want you there. 148 00:09:49,547 --> 00:09:53,087 Nature doesn't like you. Nature doesn't give a fuck about you. 149 00:09:53,187 --> 00:09:55,967 In fact, you know, nature would prefer to just either eat you, 150 00:09:56,067 --> 00:09:58,648 or, I don't know, get rid of you in some way, 151 00:09:58,748 --> 00:10:01,608 'cause you're not-- You don't belong. 152 00:10:01,708 --> 00:10:03,748 It's brutal. 153 00:10:04,268 --> 00:10:06,208 Mmm. 154 00:10:06,308 --> 00:10:08,489 Yeah. You got to be tough. 155 00:10:08,589 --> 00:10:12,149 You got to be really fucking tough. 156 00:10:21,310 --> 00:10:24,530 The only way you could ever live there is on a boat, 157 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:28,710 because it is... it is unliveable country. 158 00:10:30,510 --> 00:10:32,691 They'll live on the riverbank. 159 00:10:32,791 --> 00:10:35,491 They'll live there, but make these big huts and things, 160 00:10:35,591 --> 00:10:37,411 or dragging caravans, 161 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:40,051 and they set themselves up there with generators. 162 00:10:40,151 --> 00:10:44,411 They'll live there for months and months and months. 163 00:10:44,511 --> 00:10:46,932 Some of the kids are born up there 164 00:10:47,032 --> 00:10:49,032 on the rivers, you know? 165 00:10:52,872 --> 00:10:57,173 Fishermen are like the ancient sea gypsies. 166 00:10:57,273 --> 00:10:59,373 Always on the move, 167 00:10:59,473 --> 00:11:02,793 living in their little ocean caravans. 168 00:11:04,153 --> 00:11:07,293 I often sit in the wheelhouse, lonely at night. 169 00:11:07,393 --> 00:11:10,914 I'm on watch. The moon's just coming up. 170 00:11:11,674 --> 00:11:14,494 It's flat calm. 171 00:11:14,594 --> 00:11:18,814 The whole world is disappearing behind you, 172 00:11:18,914 --> 00:11:22,815 and in front of you is this massive, 173 00:11:22,915 --> 00:11:28,475 big, large Gulf of Carpentaria, where anything could happen. 174 00:11:33,115 --> 00:11:34,776 Bevin and Brad Simmonds 175 00:11:34,876 --> 00:11:36,896 were last seen in June 2003, 176 00:11:36,996 --> 00:11:39,296 when they left to check offshore shark nets 177 00:11:39,396 --> 00:11:41,056 near the mouth of the Coleman River 178 00:11:41,156 --> 00:11:42,976 on the northwest of Cape York. 179 00:11:43,076 --> 00:11:45,617 Prosecution outlined the turbulent history 180 00:11:45,717 --> 00:11:48,637 between the two fishing families based in the Gulf. 181 00:11:59,558 --> 00:12:05,798 I'm Bevin Simmonds' sister, um, who we lost in 2003. 182 00:12:08,598 --> 00:12:11,539 And that's the Bevin we all remember. 183 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:13,839 That was his wedding day. 184 00:12:15,599 --> 00:12:18,239 Yeah, he was so excited. 185 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:25,480 Yeah, he met Cathy and he just thought he hit the jackpot. 186 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,900 For whatever reason, she didn't really like me too much. 187 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,340 She hated the get-togethers. 188 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,981 "Why you always gotta go to your sister? 189 00:12:35,081 --> 00:12:36,781 "You got to tell her everything." 190 00:12:36,881 --> 00:12:38,421 But Bevin and I were close, 191 00:12:38,521 --> 00:12:41,281 so it changed things between him and I. 192 00:12:42,561 --> 00:12:47,482 That's Brad, Katie, um... 193 00:12:48,402 --> 00:12:50,062 Mum and Dad. 194 00:12:50,162 --> 00:12:52,162 My brother, Glen. 195 00:12:54,922 --> 00:12:57,682 And then that's the Wards. 196 00:12:59,643 --> 00:13:02,083 Dave and Beth. 197 00:13:04,883 --> 00:13:08,423 I never really had much to do with any of them. 198 00:13:14,644 --> 00:13:19,184 The family have got a rough, rogue reputation. 199 00:13:19,284 --> 00:13:21,464 It's different to others. 200 00:13:21,564 --> 00:13:25,305 You know, they're, they're a very strong physical family. 201 00:13:25,405 --> 00:13:27,665 They're a tough family. 202 00:13:27,765 --> 00:13:31,265 Old man Ward, I mean, he was a black belt karate. 203 00:13:31,365 --> 00:13:34,465 And his wife, she's the only person ever 204 00:13:34,565 --> 00:13:36,546 to knock him over. 205 00:13:36,646 --> 00:13:39,886 There's no one in the Gulf that would've tackled them. 206 00:13:42,166 --> 00:13:45,186 Some of the members have been on fishing committees 207 00:13:45,286 --> 00:13:48,587 that have helped the Gulf prosper, 208 00:13:48,687 --> 00:13:51,707 helped with legislation to help manage the Gulf. 209 00:13:51,807 --> 00:13:55,667 So they're well respected within the fishing industry, 210 00:13:55,767 --> 00:13:59,568 and they've done a lot for the fishing industry. 211 00:14:02,248 --> 00:14:05,068 A lot for themselves, in the process, 212 00:14:05,168 --> 00:14:10,468 but have been like wild powerbrokers in the Gulf, 213 00:14:10,568 --> 00:14:12,589 relating to fishing. 214 00:14:27,170 --> 00:14:28,750 Well, you've seen here, 215 00:14:28,850 --> 00:14:31,790 my son's still fishing, my daughter's still fishing. 216 00:14:31,890 --> 00:14:35,931 My granddaughters, both granddaughters are fishing. 217 00:14:36,411 --> 00:14:38,271 Um... 218 00:14:38,371 --> 00:14:41,751 Well, you've seen Katie, she's ready to have a baby any day, 219 00:14:41,851 --> 00:14:44,471 and she's still out there, fishing. 220 00:14:44,571 --> 00:14:46,511 She's not doing the hard physical work, 221 00:14:46,611 --> 00:14:49,812 but she's still here on the deck and that's hard work too. 222 00:14:53,052 --> 00:14:55,672 Everybody just sort of comes to an agreement 223 00:14:55,772 --> 00:14:57,232 that I'd like to be here. 224 00:14:57,332 --> 00:15:00,033 It'd be good if nobody came, but if somebody does come, 225 00:15:00,133 --> 00:15:04,153 you can't stop them, because our licences are all the same. 226 00:15:04,253 --> 00:15:07,433 But most people have worked out that they like this area 227 00:15:07,533 --> 00:15:09,633 or they like that area. 228 00:15:09,733 --> 00:15:11,873 Um... 229 00:15:11,973 --> 00:15:13,394 There was just the one family 230 00:15:13,494 --> 00:15:15,154 that sort of didn't respect those rules, 231 00:15:15,254 --> 00:15:17,634 and they're still not respecting those-- 232 00:15:17,734 --> 00:15:21,394 Well, they're not... they're not Government-enforced rules. 233 00:15:21,494 --> 00:15:24,695 They're fishermen's handshake rules. 234 00:15:36,576 --> 00:15:38,996 Well, you couldn't write it any better if you tried. 235 00:15:39,096 --> 00:15:42,316 Their last name's Gater, the old man had a hook for a hand. 236 00:15:42,416 --> 00:15:44,036 There's murder investigations. 237 00:15:44,136 --> 00:15:45,756 The mum's nuts with a big dog. 238 00:15:45,856 --> 00:15:47,556 Boys are shooting at each other. 239 00:15:47,656 --> 00:15:50,957 Like, you can't write this shit. 240 00:15:51,057 --> 00:15:53,437 I mean, there's the Gaters, there's old Joan, 241 00:15:53,537 --> 00:15:55,797 there's Michael, there's Vince, the young one. 242 00:15:55,897 --> 00:15:58,237 There's old Vince. I know old Vince really well. 243 00:15:58,337 --> 00:16:00,918 He was a bloody rogue. He was a shocker. 244 00:16:01,018 --> 00:16:04,078 And I don't doubt he's probably passed his attitude down 245 00:16:04,178 --> 00:16:05,998 onto some of the kids. 246 00:16:06,098 --> 00:16:09,878 You know, Vince and Michael. 247 00:16:09,978 --> 00:16:11,598 Like, Vince's dinghy 248 00:16:11,698 --> 00:16:14,519 is decorated with turtle skulls. 249 00:16:14,619 --> 00:16:16,119 The whole front of his dinghy 250 00:16:16,219 --> 00:16:17,639 and the whole light bar at the back 251 00:16:17,739 --> 00:16:20,879 has turtle skulls cable-tied to it. 252 00:16:20,979 --> 00:16:24,339 And Michael makes a very nice turtle bolognese. 253 00:16:28,460 --> 00:16:30,120 I felt like we, 254 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:32,000 you know, it's hard to say now, 255 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:34,820 but I felt like we were friends, you know. 256 00:16:36,180 --> 00:16:37,641 Finally get to meet the oldies. 257 00:16:37,741 --> 00:16:39,081 He'd talked about 'em for a while, 258 00:16:39,181 --> 00:16:40,801 and wouldn't take me there a couple of times. 259 00:16:40,901 --> 00:16:42,681 And there's Vince, he's this, like, skinny, 260 00:16:42,781 --> 00:16:44,601 scrawny kind of bald guy. 261 00:16:44,701 --> 00:16:48,801 And he's got a hand missing with a hook! Couldn't believe it! 262 00:16:48,901 --> 00:16:50,162 "In the old days... 263 00:16:50,262 --> 00:16:53,242 "You think this is fuckin' hard, mate. This is easy." 264 00:16:53,342 --> 00:16:56,342 And he'd brag about how he had this really young wife. 265 00:16:57,382 --> 00:17:00,402 She makes fucking strong coffee, 266 00:17:00,502 --> 00:17:01,603 you know, like... 267 00:17:01,703 --> 00:17:04,203 She also made really nice... 268 00:17:04,303 --> 00:17:05,763 catfish fritters. 269 00:17:05,863 --> 00:17:08,363 I remember, they were fucking really nice. 270 00:17:08,463 --> 00:17:10,523 I've had the old lady come into the office. 271 00:17:10,623 --> 00:17:12,603 You know, you think, "Oh, gee, she--" 272 00:17:12,703 --> 00:17:16,324 99 out of 100 women that come to your office 273 00:17:16,424 --> 00:17:18,044 are really, really polite. 274 00:17:18,144 --> 00:17:21,864 She's abusive. She's just... she's unkept. 275 00:17:23,664 --> 00:17:25,604 And she was really proud of Michael. 276 00:17:25,704 --> 00:17:28,525 She'd say it, you know, she'd go, "Look at him, you know, 277 00:17:28,625 --> 00:17:30,965 "he's got his own boat and he's making his own way." 278 00:17:31,065 --> 00:17:32,645 And she was really proud of him, you know, 279 00:17:32,745 --> 00:17:35,605 like, she'd really... she'd talk him up. 280 00:17:35,705 --> 00:17:37,846 She just... she just idolises those boys. 281 00:17:37,946 --> 00:17:39,446 It's as simple as that. 282 00:17:39,546 --> 00:17:41,546 You know? I think she'd do anything for them. 283 00:17:44,226 --> 00:17:46,046 Joan would be pulling the strings 284 00:17:46,146 --> 00:17:48,446 on Vincent and Michael, all the time. 285 00:17:48,546 --> 00:17:50,727 And even if Michael got on his boat 286 00:17:50,827 --> 00:17:52,567 and moved to another area, 287 00:17:52,667 --> 00:17:54,607 he was going there with purpose, 288 00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:56,447 from what direction he was given 289 00:17:56,547 --> 00:17:58,087 by the matriarch. 290 00:17:58,187 --> 00:18:00,207 Similar sort of thing with the Ward family. 291 00:18:00,307 --> 00:18:02,288 Probably not as quite as strong, 292 00:18:02,388 --> 00:18:04,768 but, yeah, definite matriarchs, you know. 293 00:18:04,868 --> 00:18:08,888 Like, and they're respected and feared 294 00:18:08,988 --> 00:18:15,089 because one word from them and people do as they're told. 295 00:18:15,189 --> 00:18:17,569 They've made millions of dollars over years. 296 00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:20,009 They're not a poor family, neither are the Wards. 297 00:18:20,109 --> 00:18:22,449 But they, you know, they look broke. 298 00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:24,449 They got no teeth. They wear no shoes. 299 00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:26,730 I've always said that fishermen with no mongrel in them 300 00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:29,150 don't last five minutes, 'cause they don't. 301 00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:33,050 We were all friends growing up. 302 00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:34,690 'Cause we were sort of the only friends 303 00:18:34,790 --> 00:18:36,170 they were allowed to have, 304 00:18:36,270 --> 00:18:38,210 maybe because we were fishing kids as well. 305 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:40,051 They weren't allowed to communicate 306 00:18:40,151 --> 00:18:42,351 with many other families. 307 00:18:46,911 --> 00:18:49,051 You got to remember when you're up there, 308 00:18:49,151 --> 00:18:51,212 you are working and living, 309 00:18:51,312 --> 00:18:53,432 and you are part of the food chain. 310 00:18:54,952 --> 00:18:56,532 I always had a saying, 311 00:18:56,632 --> 00:18:58,932 like, even the butterflies will bite you. 312 00:18:59,032 --> 00:19:01,052 That first six months was like, 313 00:19:01,152 --> 00:19:03,373 "Get me the hell out of here. What have I done?" 314 00:19:03,473 --> 00:19:06,653 But... I was a bit stubborn. I had to tough it through. 315 00:19:06,753 --> 00:19:09,613 And along the way, I made some friends that helped me 316 00:19:09,713 --> 00:19:13,033 and gave me a bit of direction, and that's what I needed. 317 00:19:17,314 --> 00:19:20,174 It was very much, you looked at the beach, 318 00:19:20,274 --> 00:19:22,934 you looked at the sky, you looked at the ocean. 319 00:19:23,034 --> 00:19:26,534 And once you became in tune with that, you go, 320 00:19:26,634 --> 00:19:28,775 "Oh, it's going to blow in the next couple of days. 321 00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:32,455 "Get the nets out now, before we get swamped." 322 00:19:32,555 --> 00:19:34,135 So you're putting these nets out. 323 00:19:34,235 --> 00:19:36,135 You've got to go every so many hours 324 00:19:36,235 --> 00:19:37,935 because if you don't do that, 325 00:19:38,035 --> 00:19:41,056 your fish will be hitting the nets, they will die quickly. 326 00:19:41,156 --> 00:19:43,216 The water temperature is so high, they will go off. 327 00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:45,976 So, effectively, every three or four hours, 328 00:19:46,076 --> 00:19:49,496 you've got to do another lap of your nets, day and night. 329 00:19:49,596 --> 00:19:52,457 And at the same time, there might be a croc sitting there, 330 00:19:52,557 --> 00:19:57,337 or wild pigs or a scrub bull, all that sort of stuff. 331 00:19:57,437 --> 00:20:00,257 You just got to be quick and watch your back, you know? 332 00:20:00,357 --> 00:20:02,257 'Cause there's lots of things that want to get ya. 333 00:20:02,357 --> 00:20:05,378 So you're just racing against the time, all the time. 334 00:20:05,478 --> 00:20:08,138 Racing the clock, racing the tide. 335 00:20:08,238 --> 00:20:11,498 So, you know, you get that fish out as fast as you can. 336 00:20:11,598 --> 00:20:14,898 I'd have times where I'd just saw the fucking thing in half 337 00:20:14,998 --> 00:20:16,999 just to get it out. 338 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:21,499 I don't know, man, it's, um... 339 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:25,419 It's... it's... it's a nightmare within a nightmare, you know? 340 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:27,519 Yeah. 341 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,240 And, you know... and Michael's living this, man. 342 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,900 Nothing lasts up there. 343 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,861 You're fighting it the whole time. It's a battle. 344 00:20:41,961 --> 00:20:43,961 It's a constant battle. 345 00:20:46,921 --> 00:20:51,221 You cannot be that, you know, that loving, 346 00:20:51,321 --> 00:20:54,502 kind of looking after nature and all that stuff 347 00:20:54,602 --> 00:20:56,182 because it's going to kill you. 348 00:20:56,282 --> 00:20:57,342 Everything does. 349 00:20:57,442 --> 00:20:59,182 Those big sawfish, you know, 350 00:20:59,282 --> 00:21:02,142 like, these beautiful giant gentle creatures, 351 00:21:02,242 --> 00:21:03,582 they couldn't give a shit. 352 00:21:03,682 --> 00:21:05,223 When that's swinging like that 353 00:21:05,323 --> 00:21:08,703 and, you know, bang into something of you 354 00:21:08,803 --> 00:21:11,303 and that's a tropical ulcer and you're fucked. 355 00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:13,703 You will not even risk that. 356 00:21:13,803 --> 00:21:17,064 You just, like, you know, grab the snout how you can, 357 00:21:17,164 --> 00:21:19,424 I'm getting my knife and I'd just cut it off, 358 00:21:19,524 --> 00:21:22,624 and then I'd just watch this beautiful creature 359 00:21:22,724 --> 00:21:25,484 just sink to the bottom, bleed to death. 360 00:21:34,205 --> 00:21:35,665 And I don't feel good about that. 361 00:21:35,765 --> 00:21:38,665 I don't feel good about that at all. 362 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:40,185 I feel really bad about it now. 363 00:21:40,285 --> 00:21:42,346 And especially now that they're fucking endangered, 364 00:21:42,446 --> 00:21:44,926 you know, like, and we've killed so many. 365 00:21:54,007 --> 00:21:57,107 During monsoon high tide, 366 00:21:57,207 --> 00:22:01,247 that's where we find all the nets full of dead fish. 367 00:22:02,087 --> 00:22:04,547 Those ones... 368 00:22:04,647 --> 00:22:09,708 Sometimes we bring them here, we have to wash it, gerni it, 369 00:22:09,808 --> 00:22:12,468 get all the dead bones out, 370 00:22:12,568 --> 00:22:16,068 clean it, dry it. 371 00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:19,949 Then we create these ones from ghost net. 372 00:22:20,049 --> 00:22:23,369 We call it ghost net because of dead fishes. 373 00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:30,710 My days when I was a boy, 374 00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:35,470 we were plentiful of sawfish, plentiful. 375 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:38,870 Then I see nothing now. 376 00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:42,571 Then I'm thinking, if sawfish is gone... 377 00:22:44,531 --> 00:22:47,291 part of our culture's gone. 378 00:22:50,451 --> 00:22:53,031 They're just doing their fishing industry. 379 00:22:53,131 --> 00:22:58,012 But the land still belongs to the traditional owners. 380 00:23:23,014 --> 00:23:24,434 As far as I know, 381 00:23:24,534 --> 00:23:28,314 and as far as I see, living in the Gulf, 382 00:23:28,414 --> 00:23:32,275 is that a lot of our communities is a bit of a gold mine 383 00:23:32,375 --> 00:23:33,875 for the outside people. 384 00:23:33,975 --> 00:23:36,155 And these sort of people, they go, 385 00:23:36,255 --> 00:23:38,195 and then you get another cowboy in. 386 00:23:38,295 --> 00:23:41,635 And so our Rangers are very active to apprehend them 387 00:23:41,735 --> 00:23:43,996 and say to them, "So, look buddy, what are you doing?" 388 00:23:44,096 --> 00:23:47,116 And soon as they find a little cowboy, 389 00:23:47,216 --> 00:23:52,656 they report them and he's being acted on by law. 390 00:24:06,817 --> 00:24:09,278 We were just so arrogant as fishermen, you know. 391 00:24:09,378 --> 00:24:12,818 We were white. We didn't... We... It was ours. 392 00:24:14,338 --> 00:24:19,839 We hadn't ever thought to ask anybody's permission. 393 00:24:19,939 --> 00:24:26,459 It didn't come into any of our silly bloody Australian minds. 394 00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:35,480 You have an industry that's mostly unregulated. 395 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:37,520 You know, you'll be there a long time 396 00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:40,400 before you'd see a fishing inspector in the Gulf. 397 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:42,080 You know? 398 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,521 And to be honest, 399 00:24:44,621 --> 00:24:47,281 er, I don't know how comfortable some of them are, 400 00:24:47,381 --> 00:24:48,801 going into those areas. 401 00:24:48,901 --> 00:24:51,601 I mean, they're very remote areas. 402 00:24:51,701 --> 00:24:53,781 On your own, definitely not. 403 00:24:56,462 --> 00:24:59,222 We just tell 'em that they're not allowed to fish there. 404 00:25:02,782 --> 00:25:05,242 But it means some of these fishing people, 405 00:25:05,342 --> 00:25:08,723 some of these fishing families, are dangerous? 406 00:25:08,823 --> 00:25:12,323 Oh, yeah. Especially the Gaters. Yeah. 407 00:25:12,423 --> 00:25:15,663 Yeah, don't want to fish close to them, yeah. 408 00:25:17,063 --> 00:25:19,724 Well, they've been on the rivers 409 00:25:19,824 --> 00:25:23,964 for nearly five or six decades now, you know. 410 00:25:24,064 --> 00:25:27,104 They've been polluting all the river. 411 00:25:28,544 --> 00:25:30,244 And I don't know why 412 00:25:30,344 --> 00:25:33,445 they gave them back their licence, you know. 413 00:25:33,545 --> 00:25:36,325 'Cause, one time, 414 00:25:36,425 --> 00:25:41,645 they got - first day of the barra season opening - 415 00:25:41,745 --> 00:25:45,966 they got 40 tonne of barra. 416 00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:49,646 And you wouldn't get 40 tonne in a day. 417 00:25:49,746 --> 00:25:51,366 Which means they were fishing 418 00:25:51,466 --> 00:25:55,526 when the barra season was closed. 419 00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:59,147 Netting during this closed season. 420 00:26:05,707 --> 00:26:08,087 We have no respect for them. 421 00:26:08,187 --> 00:26:10,088 And we'll continue to shut them out 422 00:26:10,188 --> 00:26:13,408 with the support of the Fisheries. 423 00:26:13,508 --> 00:26:15,368 Those type of blokes, 424 00:26:15,468 --> 00:26:17,048 we don't hang around too long. 425 00:26:17,148 --> 00:26:19,888 We're in, we deal with them and we're out. 426 00:26:19,988 --> 00:26:22,049 There's other blokes that, you can go in, 427 00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:23,809 they take it, they cop it on the chin, 428 00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:25,689 they know they've done the wrong thing. 429 00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:28,489 But this is a different breed. 430 00:26:28,589 --> 00:26:32,369 Totally different breed. You don't hang around this mob. 431 00:26:32,469 --> 00:26:34,650 To us, they are very dangerous people 432 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,290 because they have the attitude 433 00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:39,530 and the habit of pulling out guns. 434 00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:41,490 Everybody's got guns. 435 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:44,250 All right, let's get that-- Everybody's got guns. 436 00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:46,171 You're working in an environment 437 00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:49,171 where everything wants to kill you. 438 00:26:49,271 --> 00:26:51,411 Once you go in, and a fisherman sees ya, 439 00:26:51,511 --> 00:26:53,091 they're on the blower. 440 00:26:53,191 --> 00:26:56,932 Whether they like them or not. It's the code. 441 00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:59,812 "Fisher! Fishos are here. Customs are around. 442 00:26:59,912 --> 00:27:01,972 "Coppers are around. Immigration's around." 443 00:27:02,072 --> 00:27:04,572 Whoever it is, it's the code. They'll call each other. 444 00:27:04,672 --> 00:27:08,532 So you go and you do as much as you can while you can, 445 00:27:08,632 --> 00:27:10,653 until you get to the last boat 446 00:27:10,753 --> 00:27:12,753 and he says, "I've been waiting for ya." 447 00:27:28,114 --> 00:27:31,354 Yeah, he loved that, that fishing life. 448 00:27:34,035 --> 00:27:35,175 I couldn't understand it. 449 00:27:35,275 --> 00:27:36,895 He always wanted us to come and visit, 450 00:27:36,995 --> 00:27:38,575 but I just thought, "Oh, my God, 451 00:27:38,675 --> 00:27:40,715 "I couldn't live on a boat." 452 00:27:41,755 --> 00:27:43,855 Because we were surprised that 453 00:27:43,955 --> 00:27:46,656 he was going into that lifestyle, 454 00:27:46,756 --> 00:27:48,756 the fisherman lifestyle. 455 00:27:50,436 --> 00:27:56,016 But he was such a worker that he made it profitable. 456 00:27:56,116 --> 00:28:02,757 And this is a photo of me and Bevin and Glen. 457 00:28:04,797 --> 00:28:07,317 Bevin was six years younger than I was. 458 00:28:08,757 --> 00:28:11,798 And Glen and I were only 14 months apart. 459 00:28:13,678 --> 00:28:17,178 It's another photo of Bevin and my two kids, 460 00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:19,018 Jolene and Luke. 461 00:28:19,118 --> 00:28:22,479 He was always cuddling the kids just before he had his own. 462 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:28,319 All he wanted was a family. 463 00:28:32,439 --> 00:28:35,960 I think the first year was probably happy. 464 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,220 But, um, when the kids came along... 465 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,721 he got to maybe show his domineering side. 466 00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:53,301 He was an arrogant bugger at times. 467 00:28:53,401 --> 00:28:54,901 We didn't get along overly 468 00:28:55,001 --> 00:28:56,901 in the last couple of years that he was there. 469 00:28:57,001 --> 00:29:01,442 But it was like the more money we made, the more he needed. 470 00:29:03,682 --> 00:29:05,342 And then we bought the El Dorado, 471 00:29:05,442 --> 00:29:07,862 and he wanted to turn it into a shark boat. 472 00:29:07,962 --> 00:29:11,103 And I didn't want to be out every day, every night, 473 00:29:11,203 --> 00:29:13,143 out in the ocean with the kids. 474 00:29:13,243 --> 00:29:15,583 It's just, like, I said to him, "We bought a barra boat, 475 00:29:15,683 --> 00:29:17,943 "I want to be a barra fisherman, not a shark fisherman." 476 00:29:18,043 --> 00:29:21,263 But he wanted the big money in a hurry. 477 00:29:21,363 --> 00:29:23,064 Because with shark and mackerel, 478 00:29:23,164 --> 00:29:26,784 you can make, like, 180 grand in four weeks, easy. 479 00:29:26,884 --> 00:29:29,044 And that's what he wanted. 480 00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:42,945 He was a very motivated person. 481 00:29:43,045 --> 00:29:45,185 You know, he wanted a home for his kids. 482 00:29:45,285 --> 00:29:46,625 He wanted to set his kids up. 483 00:29:46,725 --> 00:29:48,586 You know, to him he had three kids 484 00:29:48,686 --> 00:29:50,146 so then he had three properties 485 00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:54,266 and he was going to have something for them. 486 00:29:54,366 --> 00:29:57,226 If Bevin was sitting here having a conversation with you, 487 00:29:57,326 --> 00:29:59,186 there is no doubt in my mind 488 00:29:59,286 --> 00:30:01,707 that there would be a kid hanging here, 489 00:30:01,807 --> 00:30:04,787 kid hanging off his... you know, one sitting here. 490 00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:08,167 They were just... they wanted to be in his presence all the time. 491 00:30:11,167 --> 00:30:15,548 He was just very loving, especially towards her. 492 00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:22,928 I think Cathy knows a lot more than what she has told us. 493 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:41,270 Bevin and I made a connection 494 00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:44,510 'cause he was on the outer. 495 00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:47,430 I was a new kid on the block, I was on the outer. 496 00:30:47,530 --> 00:30:50,551 So there was a lot of good reason for us to develop 497 00:30:50,651 --> 00:30:54,111 a good friendship and an honest mateship. 498 00:30:54,211 --> 00:30:57,791 And he loved coming down to us because 499 00:30:57,891 --> 00:31:03,992 it was an escape for him, from the family clan stuff, 500 00:31:04,092 --> 00:31:08,232 because he was never full-- 501 00:31:08,332 --> 00:31:11,432 I don't believe he was ever fully accepted. 502 00:31:11,532 --> 00:31:16,593 And, you know, they would say things about Bevin. 503 00:31:16,693 --> 00:31:18,593 And then when I got to know Bevin, 504 00:31:18,693 --> 00:31:20,073 they certainly weren't true, 505 00:31:20,173 --> 00:31:23,033 but I think they never forgave him 506 00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:25,474 for getting their little girl Cathy, pregnant, 507 00:31:25,574 --> 00:31:28,214 when she was 16 or whenever. 508 00:31:28,894 --> 00:31:30,074 Um... 509 00:31:30,174 --> 00:31:32,754 And I think they never forgave him for that, 510 00:31:32,854 --> 00:31:36,154 and he was never quite in the fold, if you get what I mean. 511 00:31:36,254 --> 00:31:38,655 He was sort of always on the outer a little bit. 512 00:31:40,375 --> 00:31:42,515 Apparently there was a bit of animosity 513 00:31:42,615 --> 00:31:44,995 between Bevin and Michael over the shark fishing thing, 514 00:31:45,095 --> 00:31:47,475 of Michael saying, "Well, I want to fish the sharks 515 00:31:47,575 --> 00:31:49,436 "out the front of Pormpuraaw, so you can't." 516 00:31:49,536 --> 00:31:52,336 And him going, "Well, I'm gonna, whether you like it or not." 517 00:31:54,456 --> 00:31:56,236 There's nothing worse than a fisherman 518 00:31:56,336 --> 00:31:58,716 that blowflies other fishermen and follows 'em around. 519 00:31:58,816 --> 00:32:02,497 You're not a fisherman at all. You're just a blowfly. 520 00:32:05,337 --> 00:32:08,277 At the end of the first season, 521 00:32:08,377 --> 00:32:10,117 Bevin came to me 522 00:32:10,217 --> 00:32:12,517 because we were getting ready to travel with them. 523 00:32:12,617 --> 00:32:14,318 They invited us to come down to Karumba 524 00:32:14,418 --> 00:32:15,878 and travel down there with them, 525 00:32:15,978 --> 00:32:19,278 and go to the fishermen's annual meeting there. 526 00:32:19,378 --> 00:32:21,878 And that's when Bevin said, "Look out, Rod, 527 00:32:21,978 --> 00:32:25,038 "the Gater family are moving down this way. 528 00:32:25,138 --> 00:32:26,999 "They've got lots of licences. 529 00:32:27,099 --> 00:32:32,559 "They will do whatever to catch fish and block you out. 530 00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:36,219 "And they're coming this way, Rod. Watch your back." 531 00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:48,720 And David Ward was a very smart, 532 00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:52,881 sort of streetwise type person. 533 00:32:52,981 --> 00:32:56,721 And I have a high respect for David. 534 00:32:56,821 --> 00:33:01,161 He tried to be as diplomatic and friendly as possible 535 00:33:01,261 --> 00:33:02,642 at the time, 536 00:33:02,742 --> 00:33:09,102 because he didn't want to engage with them in a war. 537 00:33:19,983 --> 00:33:22,323 He's got blue, the bluest of-- 538 00:33:22,423 --> 00:33:24,403 Michael, the bluest of blue eyes. 539 00:33:24,503 --> 00:33:27,244 He looks at ya, he doesn't look, he doesn't see ya, 540 00:33:27,344 --> 00:33:29,764 he just looks straight through ya. 541 00:33:29,864 --> 00:33:32,604 It's just... just weird, strange look. 542 00:33:32,704 --> 00:33:35,204 You think he's looking at you but you can just feel the eyes 543 00:33:35,304 --> 00:33:38,525 going through your head out to the back. 544 00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:40,245 He's as fit as a mallee bull, 545 00:33:40,345 --> 00:33:42,505 you wouldn't want to take him on. 546 00:33:47,785 --> 00:33:50,286 So, I'm getting a bit concerned 547 00:33:50,386 --> 00:33:52,986 and I was told they're heading my way. 548 00:33:54,346 --> 00:33:59,046 But they were looking for their own patch... 549 00:33:59,146 --> 00:34:03,607 and they were prepared to do whatever to get it. 550 00:34:03,707 --> 00:34:06,847 You can grow up being afraid of the bogeyman, 551 00:34:06,947 --> 00:34:10,087 and that's what they've been, my whole life. 552 00:34:10,187 --> 00:34:12,167 They're just there. They're in your dreams. 553 00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:13,847 They're in your nightmares. 554 00:34:13,947 --> 00:34:16,088 Every single day for the last 17 years, 555 00:34:16,188 --> 00:34:18,568 that's all I've thought about. 556 00:34:18,668 --> 00:34:24,328 But, one day, everything's going to come back to them. 557 00:34:24,428 --> 00:34:26,568 And then, one day, they're going to work out 558 00:34:26,668 --> 00:34:28,709 how it felt to be us. 559 00:34:53,631 --> 00:34:55,571 Dad said that I had to stay home, 560 00:34:55,671 --> 00:34:58,891 so Brad went and, yeah, that was it. 561 00:34:58,991 --> 00:35:01,091 And Dad, he went to the nets happy that day. 562 00:35:01,191 --> 00:35:03,192 He was... 563 00:35:05,072 --> 00:35:06,612 He was happy. 564 00:35:06,712 --> 00:35:08,652 But, oh... 565 00:35:08,752 --> 00:35:11,132 It should have been me that went with my dad, 566 00:35:11,232 --> 00:35:13,972 because I was always there. 567 00:35:14,072 --> 00:35:16,733 Brad never went with Dad, like, not to the shark pen. 568 00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:19,513 And the one day I didn't go... 569 00:35:21,113 --> 00:35:23,993 and I just regret that every day. 570 00:35:28,194 --> 00:35:31,354 My little brother was such a happy person. 571 00:35:33,194 --> 00:35:34,894 And... 572 00:35:37,274 --> 00:35:39,214 He was just happy. He was always happy. 573 00:35:39,314 --> 00:35:40,735 He'd go fishing. 574 00:35:40,835 --> 00:35:42,815 He was... he was an adventure. 575 00:35:42,915 --> 00:35:44,335 He... he just... 576 00:35:44,435 --> 00:35:47,795 He was... had a love of life. 577 00:35:48,315 --> 00:35:50,415 And... 578 00:35:50,515 --> 00:35:53,156 in five minutes it was all gone. 579 00:35:57,476 --> 00:36:03,516 We were so left in the dark with the whole scenario. 580 00:36:04,957 --> 00:36:08,177 Until I got the phone call, um... 581 00:36:08,277 --> 00:36:10,537 the day after he went missing, 582 00:36:10,637 --> 00:36:13,177 at six o'clock in the morning when Cathy rang me and said, 583 00:36:13,277 --> 00:36:15,017 "Bevin and Brad are missing." 584 00:36:15,117 --> 00:36:16,898 And I said, "What do you mean, missing?" 585 00:36:16,998 --> 00:36:19,978 She said, "Well, they went to check the nets yesterday, 586 00:36:20,078 --> 00:36:22,058 "and they never came back." 587 00:36:22,158 --> 00:36:24,538 And I said, "And you're telling us this now?" 588 00:36:24,638 --> 00:36:25,858 She said, "Well, yeah, 589 00:36:25,958 --> 00:36:28,539 "we've been out looking for 'em all night." 590 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,099 And I said, "Oh!" 591 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,659 She said, "So you'll have to tell your mother." 592 00:36:32,759 --> 00:36:36,339 And that was pretty much the end of the phone call. 593 00:36:36,439 --> 00:36:39,579 And we told Mum and she just... 594 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,180 Poor Mum, she just... Yeah. 595 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,020 'Cause Bevin was the baby. 596 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,460 You know, we always said he was the favourite 597 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,920 'cause he was, you know, the baby of the family. 598 00:37:14,722 --> 00:37:17,903 I think there was, like, a dozen or 20 aeroplanes. 599 00:37:18,003 --> 00:37:21,183 Volunteer Rescue, Marine Rescue from Burketown, 600 00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:25,623 Karumba, Weipa, the Water Police from Thursday Island. 601 00:37:25,723 --> 00:37:29,544 Everyone congregated into what turned out to be 602 00:37:29,644 --> 00:37:31,824 a massive, big search area 603 00:37:31,924 --> 00:37:35,104 of over a thousand miles of surface-- 604 00:37:35,204 --> 00:37:38,664 You know, one of the biggest searches I'd seen. 605 00:37:38,764 --> 00:37:43,025 I'm guessing there was... there was over 10 boats, 606 00:37:43,125 --> 00:37:47,265 it's got to be closer to 20, that were out there doing it. 607 00:37:47,365 --> 00:37:50,825 By then, we sort of knew that Bevin had had his nets 608 00:37:50,925 --> 00:37:55,746 set out off the Coleman River quite some ways. 609 00:37:55,846 --> 00:37:57,826 You know, I just thought it was a matter of time. 610 00:37:57,926 --> 00:37:59,626 I was surprised 611 00:37:59,726 --> 00:38:02,906 by sunset that first day, 612 00:38:03,006 --> 00:38:04,786 that we hadn't found them. 613 00:38:04,886 --> 00:38:07,587 Because if they had broken down, 614 00:38:07,687 --> 00:38:10,227 the currents are only two, three knots. 615 00:38:10,327 --> 00:38:12,627 So, break down, here's the nets. 616 00:38:12,727 --> 00:38:15,787 Righto, okay, went missing 10 hours ago. 617 00:38:15,887 --> 00:38:19,468 They're going to be within 30 miles at most. 618 00:38:19,568 --> 00:38:22,428 You know, we know tides, we know currents, 619 00:38:22,528 --> 00:38:25,388 we know tinnies, we know the ocean. 620 00:38:25,488 --> 00:38:27,428 And we're all talking on the radio, 621 00:38:27,528 --> 00:38:30,449 all the different search vessels. 622 00:38:31,969 --> 00:38:35,309 I had my big spotlights on the top of the roof 623 00:38:35,409 --> 00:38:37,749 of the boat, which I turned to one side. 624 00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:42,710 So as I was idling along, it was just lighting up the beach. 625 00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:44,750 As we got past the Mungkan, 626 00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:47,630 which is a creek just north of Pormpuraaw, 627 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:49,550 we saw a fire on the beach. 628 00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:52,030 And we go, "Here they are." And we're spotlighting it. 629 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:55,151 It turned out to be a group of local Indigenous community 630 00:38:55,251 --> 00:38:56,511 camped down there. 631 00:38:56,611 --> 00:38:58,231 It was like, "Oh," you know. 632 00:38:58,331 --> 00:39:00,471 You go from this level down to that level. 633 00:39:00,571 --> 00:39:02,951 So, yeah, we're getting more and more worried by that time, 634 00:39:03,051 --> 00:39:05,211 'cause that's where I thought they'd be. 635 00:39:06,492 --> 00:39:08,032 So this was becoming, 636 00:39:08,132 --> 00:39:10,032 you know, like, how could this really happen? 637 00:39:10,132 --> 00:39:12,032 How can you just, really, that close in, 638 00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:14,792 just disappear, in reasonably good weather? 639 00:39:14,892 --> 00:39:17,112 And then we'd well and truly covered that area. 640 00:39:17,212 --> 00:39:19,193 I had my charts out and everyone's calling in 641 00:39:19,293 --> 00:39:21,073 latitudes and longitudes as they're going. 642 00:39:21,173 --> 00:39:23,453 I had my charts out and went, "That's covered. 643 00:39:24,973 --> 00:39:27,273 "Let's work our way back north towards our camp 644 00:39:27,373 --> 00:39:29,713 "in case something's happened and they've gone that way." 645 00:39:29,813 --> 00:39:33,474 So I then did a grid pattern all the way back. 646 00:39:33,574 --> 00:39:37,094 Yeah, you're thinking of all possible scenarios. 647 00:39:38,574 --> 00:39:43,075 And next thing, a dinghy comes flying up to us. 648 00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:44,635 In that dinghy, 649 00:39:44,735 --> 00:39:48,515 it's Michael Gater, Cathy Simmonds. 650 00:39:48,615 --> 00:39:50,475 And they pulled up alongside the boat. 651 00:39:50,575 --> 00:39:52,315 I gave Cathy a big hug and said, "Don't worry. 652 00:39:52,415 --> 00:39:54,635 "There's that many boats coming, everyone's coming." 653 00:39:54,735 --> 00:39:56,516 I'd been speaking to other fishermen 654 00:39:56,616 --> 00:39:57,796 that were heading that way. 655 00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,596 "We'll find them, we'll find them. 656 00:39:59,696 --> 00:40:01,436 "I'm going to keep working my way down here 657 00:40:01,536 --> 00:40:03,356 "and then we're going to head out and join the search." 658 00:40:03,456 --> 00:40:05,476 She said, "No, Michael and I have just been 659 00:40:05,576 --> 00:40:07,197 "along all that area. 660 00:40:07,297 --> 00:40:10,417 "You don't have to do there. Go out and join the grid here." 661 00:40:12,057 --> 00:40:14,837 And it was like they didn't want us looking 662 00:40:14,937 --> 00:40:18,557 down along that area. 663 00:40:18,657 --> 00:40:22,518 And it seemed funny, as like... Bevin and Brad are missing. 664 00:40:22,618 --> 00:40:24,478 Why are they... what are those two doing 665 00:40:24,578 --> 00:40:27,098 roaring around in a dinghy together? 666 00:40:33,499 --> 00:40:35,599 Around the 5th of June 2003, 667 00:40:35,699 --> 00:40:37,739 I was working in the CIB. 668 00:40:39,139 --> 00:40:40,439 Here in Cairns. 669 00:40:40,539 --> 00:40:46,080 And basically I was advised of the disappearance 670 00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:48,900 of Bevin and Brad Simmonds. 671 00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:55,000 My role is purely from an investigative perspective. 672 00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:59,281 Is this situation a kosher disappearance 673 00:40:59,381 --> 00:41:02,261 or is there a potential for third party involvement? 674 00:41:08,622 --> 00:41:10,882 I said to Glen, "We got to go looking for him." 675 00:41:10,982 --> 00:41:15,242 And Glen said, "What are we going to do?" 676 00:41:15,342 --> 00:41:18,362 I said, "Well, if this was us missing, 677 00:41:18,462 --> 00:41:21,403 "Bevin would come looking for us." 678 00:41:21,503 --> 00:41:24,483 So my boss organised a small plane. 679 00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:26,963 And, um... 680 00:41:27,063 --> 00:41:30,043 Anyway, we got to Edward River, 681 00:41:30,143 --> 00:41:33,084 Pormpuraaw as it's called now. 682 00:41:33,184 --> 00:41:35,564 And we stayed there for ages, 683 00:41:35,664 --> 00:41:38,604 waiting for someone to pick us up - we didn't know who. 684 00:41:38,704 --> 00:41:41,764 And, anyway, Cathy ended up coming to pick us up, 685 00:41:41,864 --> 00:41:43,864 and Michael. 686 00:41:45,705 --> 00:41:48,965 You know, Cathy... she didn't want to talk to us. 687 00:41:49,065 --> 00:41:53,125 Like, "What are youse doing here? Why did youse come?" 688 00:41:53,225 --> 00:41:57,566 She was uneasy about us being there. Definitely. 689 00:41:57,666 --> 00:42:00,406 You know, I started hearing, I suppose, 690 00:42:00,506 --> 00:42:02,626 a bit of wharf gossip. 691 00:42:04,866 --> 00:42:06,406 What you have to appreciate 692 00:42:06,506 --> 00:42:08,286 is about the fishing industry in the Gulf. 693 00:42:08,386 --> 00:42:12,827 They're the greatest bunch of rumour-mongers in the world. 694 00:42:14,827 --> 00:42:19,807 The story was that, um, Michael was, um... 695 00:42:19,907 --> 00:42:24,008 having it off with the fella's wife. 696 00:42:24,108 --> 00:42:27,728 Cathy, and, in fact, pretty much the entire witness group 697 00:42:27,828 --> 00:42:30,248 concealed the fact that there was an active relationship 698 00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:32,008 and an overt relationship 699 00:42:32,108 --> 00:42:35,289 between Cathy Simmonds and Michael Gater. 700 00:42:35,389 --> 00:42:38,049 Yeah, for me, it's not a matter of public interest. 701 00:42:38,149 --> 00:42:42,529 You know, we all keep our secrets, good, bad, ugly, 702 00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:44,329 close to my heart. 703 00:42:44,429 --> 00:42:50,970 So, you know, whether Cathy had slept with Michael Gater or not, 704 00:42:51,070 --> 00:42:55,270 really, it's none of my business. 705 00:43:06,151 --> 00:43:08,971 A person who conceals the fact of a relationship 706 00:43:09,071 --> 00:43:12,032 in that circumstance, you wonder why. 707 00:43:15,752 --> 00:43:18,172 You're thinking, "Well, that can't be, you know. 708 00:43:18,272 --> 00:43:19,812 "This can't possibly happen. 709 00:43:19,912 --> 00:43:21,653 "You can't, this can't-- No, no, no. 710 00:43:21,753 --> 00:43:23,653 "There'll be another explanation for this 711 00:43:23,753 --> 00:43:25,753 "and we'll look again tomorrow." 712 00:43:32,113 --> 00:43:34,374 At the centre of it all, Catherine Simmonds, 713 00:43:34,474 --> 00:43:36,934 wife of Bevin, mother of 10-year-old Brad 714 00:43:37,034 --> 00:43:40,294 and one time lover of Michael Gater. 715 00:43:40,394 --> 00:43:42,214 Things apparently turned sour 716 00:43:42,314 --> 00:43:44,474 when she said there was no future for them. 717 00:43:45,714 --> 00:43:47,335 Oh, look, Cathy was obviously... 718 00:43:47,435 --> 00:43:50,095 had a child missing at sea and her husband. 719 00:43:50,195 --> 00:43:53,855 And originally on the face of it 720 00:43:53,955 --> 00:43:56,575 you found Cathy an honest witness. 721 00:43:56,675 --> 00:44:00,096 But, um, it was like pulling teeth. 722 00:44:00,196 --> 00:44:03,356 But eventually we got the information from her. 723 00:44:05,116 --> 00:44:06,776 After I realised something was... 724 00:44:06,876 --> 00:44:09,136 something bad had happened, or they were missing, 725 00:44:09,236 --> 00:44:10,537 I rang Mum. 726 00:44:10,637 --> 00:44:12,617 Mum ended up getting onto the police. 727 00:44:12,717 --> 00:44:14,177 And then, um, 728 00:44:14,277 --> 00:44:16,737 I went over, I was talking to Michael Gater 729 00:44:16,837 --> 00:44:20,737 and he jumped in and he come searching as well. 730 00:44:20,837 --> 00:44:24,258 Because I had a bit of an affair with Michael and... 731 00:44:24,358 --> 00:44:26,378 And so how long had that fling been going? 732 00:44:26,478 --> 00:44:30,958 Oh, only a week maybe. Yeah. Five days. Yeah. 733 00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:37,619 And, frankly, it was overt, you know. 734 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,259 This was known through the entire community, you know. 735 00:44:40,359 --> 00:44:44,259 So, concealment was nonsensical 736 00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:47,160 and concealment was suspicious. 737 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:52,260 Clearly. 738 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,380 And that's why she never wanted me around, always, 739 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,521 because she knew that I would see what she was up to. 740 00:45:04,041 --> 00:45:08,381 Subsequently, we learned of a rumour 741 00:45:08,481 --> 00:45:13,982 of actual physical dispute between Bevin and Michael, 742 00:45:14,082 --> 00:45:17,182 down in Karumba, some months before. 743 00:45:17,282 --> 00:45:19,742 I dunno what... how they got into the blue, 744 00:45:19,842 --> 00:45:21,942 but I think Michael had Bevin down on the ground 745 00:45:22,042 --> 00:45:25,063 with his legs on his neck or something, yeah. 746 00:45:25,163 --> 00:45:28,903 And then we left Bevin there 'cause he was really drunk. 747 00:45:29,003 --> 00:45:31,063 And we went out, 'cause we had a place in Karumba, 748 00:45:31,163 --> 00:45:33,223 so we went and stayed there for the night - 749 00:45:33,323 --> 00:45:36,084 the kids and I, and Michael. 750 00:45:42,204 --> 00:45:44,544 You know, this relationship was overtly occurring 751 00:45:44,644 --> 00:45:46,184 on the El Dorado, 752 00:45:46,284 --> 00:45:51,025 while, you know, her husband was away. 753 00:45:51,125 --> 00:45:53,665 We were in a different territory when we're dealing with 754 00:45:53,765 --> 00:45:56,385 the potential murder of a child. 755 00:45:56,485 --> 00:45:58,265 Something as serious as this, 756 00:45:58,365 --> 00:46:01,666 you bring in the heavy artillery, you know, 757 00:46:01,766 --> 00:46:03,886 and we brought in the heavy artillery. 758 00:46:05,126 --> 00:46:06,866 We were joined later by... 759 00:46:06,966 --> 00:46:10,146 I think they came from Maritime Safety Queensland. 760 00:46:10,246 --> 00:46:12,507 Two guys that the police had requested 761 00:46:12,607 --> 00:46:14,307 come down with a sonar. 762 00:46:14,407 --> 00:46:16,947 And they set up on board our vessel 763 00:46:17,047 --> 00:46:20,227 with a machine that would read the soundings. 764 00:46:20,327 --> 00:46:22,107 And we towed that torpedo 765 00:46:22,207 --> 00:46:26,428 around rivers and creeks and offshore, 766 00:46:26,528 --> 00:46:29,968 extensively over the next days and days. 767 00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:37,789 They don't do that when people go missing at sea. 768 00:46:37,889 --> 00:46:39,749 They don't turn up with a sonar 769 00:46:39,849 --> 00:46:41,949 because we are looking for somebody in the ocean. 770 00:46:42,049 --> 00:46:44,469 Never! 25 years, no one's ever turned up with a sonar 771 00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:46,309 and asked me to drag it around the ocean 772 00:46:46,409 --> 00:46:48,650 looking for the people that drowned. 773 00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:53,670 So then you get a chill down your back 774 00:46:53,770 --> 00:46:55,870 and you get a bad feeling that, you know, 775 00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:58,570 this could be a double homicide. 776 00:47:04,811 --> 00:47:06,191 I couldn't believe it. 777 00:47:06,291 --> 00:47:08,511 I don't think anyone could believe it. 778 00:47:08,611 --> 00:47:11,031 You know, you didn't know what to believe, 779 00:47:11,131 --> 00:47:13,132 what was true, and... 780 00:47:17,012 --> 00:47:19,152 And I know when we were there, 781 00:47:19,252 --> 00:47:22,552 the beach is as clear as. 782 00:47:22,652 --> 00:47:24,993 The ocean was like glass. 783 00:47:25,093 --> 00:47:29,073 You could see for miles, absolute miles. 784 00:47:29,173 --> 00:47:31,833 And I remember standing on the beach, thinking, 785 00:47:31,933 --> 00:47:34,713 "How can we not find anything?" 786 00:47:34,813 --> 00:47:36,473 You know, not anything. 787 00:47:36,573 --> 00:47:38,994 Because Bevin and Brad were supposed to be both 788 00:47:39,094 --> 00:47:42,434 in the orange overalls, 789 00:47:42,534 --> 00:47:45,834 and they would've had a net and bits and pieces in the boat. 790 00:47:45,934 --> 00:47:50,955 But not one ounce of debris at all. 791 00:47:51,055 --> 00:47:52,835 Nothing. 792 00:47:52,935 --> 00:47:56,495 And that's the type of boat that Bevin was in. 793 00:47:57,535 --> 00:48:00,996 That's Beth Ward and Brad. 794 00:48:01,096 --> 00:48:04,836 So it's a big dinghy, for that to vanish. 795 00:48:04,936 --> 00:48:08,396 Like, somebody knows where it went. 796 00:48:08,496 --> 00:48:11,956 You know, all that stuff just doesn't disappear. 797 00:48:14,297 --> 00:48:17,517 You get a teaspoon of oil 798 00:48:17,617 --> 00:48:19,317 and pour it on water, 799 00:48:19,417 --> 00:48:22,437 you'll see a rainbowy shimmer 800 00:48:22,537 --> 00:48:24,537 for a long way. 801 00:48:26,018 --> 00:48:27,638 An outboard motor, 802 00:48:27,738 --> 00:48:30,158 well, firstly, it's two stroke, so it's got oil in the fuel. 803 00:48:30,258 --> 00:48:32,758 So if it would've sunk, that fuel would've floated 804 00:48:32,858 --> 00:48:34,318 with a shimmer of oil. 805 00:48:34,418 --> 00:48:37,579 Would've been spotted by a plane, if nothing else. 806 00:48:39,419 --> 00:48:42,519 There was lots of things that could float out of that boat. 807 00:48:42,619 --> 00:48:46,279 Our specialised barra net hooks, they usually had floats on, 808 00:48:46,379 --> 00:48:48,479 so if you dropped 'em over the side, you could lean over 809 00:48:48,579 --> 00:48:51,400 and grab 'em before a crocodile did. 810 00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,920 You know, when a boat goes down, things turn up. 811 00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:57,880 Nothing was found. 812 00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:00,840 And that's the extraordinary thing. 813 00:49:00,940 --> 00:49:02,001 Not just extraordinary, 814 00:49:02,101 --> 00:49:04,341 but extraordinary piled on extraordinary. 815 00:49:07,141 --> 00:49:10,361 We were in the field for 50 days. 816 00:49:10,461 --> 00:49:14,482 You know, this investigation really commenced 817 00:49:14,582 --> 00:49:17,562 on the 6th, 7th of June 818 00:49:17,662 --> 00:49:20,982 and ran through to May of the following year. 819 00:49:23,182 --> 00:49:25,922 So what we've got is Joan and Michael Gater 820 00:49:26,022 --> 00:49:29,523 within five kilometres of the offshore net, 821 00:49:29,623 --> 00:49:34,523 at the same time that Bevin and Brad are at that net. 822 00:49:34,623 --> 00:49:37,923 And there was nobody else. 823 00:49:38,023 --> 00:49:43,664 There was nobody else. You know, it is isolated. 824 00:49:45,144 --> 00:49:48,524 Half a net had been cleared of fish. 825 00:49:48,624 --> 00:49:50,365 And then an event occurs, 826 00:49:50,465 --> 00:49:52,865 which they stopped clearing the net. 827 00:49:54,505 --> 00:49:57,725 So, bottom line is Michael and Joan arrive 828 00:49:57,825 --> 00:50:01,165 somewhere... 9:30, 10:00. 829 00:50:01,265 --> 00:50:06,086 So, they're unaccounted for four hours. 830 00:50:06,186 --> 00:50:10,766 Michael attributes the delay to vehicle breakdowns. 831 00:50:10,866 --> 00:50:14,246 And I think I said to the crew that - [exhales] - 832 00:50:14,346 --> 00:50:17,267 "If he's lying, he's a good liar." 833 00:50:18,067 --> 00:50:20,967 "He's a good liar." 834 00:50:21,067 --> 00:50:25,807 Now, upon arrival, they then swap boats. 835 00:50:25,907 --> 00:50:28,808 So why that is relevant is because the vessel 836 00:50:28,908 --> 00:50:31,728 that they used on that morning goes missing, 837 00:50:31,828 --> 00:50:37,448 and is, some weeks later, found secreted and sunk. 838 00:50:37,548 --> 00:50:39,129 The motivation was attributed to 839 00:50:39,229 --> 00:50:41,769 the fact that the vessel had been "stolen" 840 00:50:41,869 --> 00:50:45,749 and it was necessary to conceal this from the police. 841 00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:48,609 Um, stories... 842 00:50:48,709 --> 00:50:51,370 Stories are they'd take it up a creek 843 00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:54,050 or up a river somewhere, anchor it up, 844 00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:56,530 go around the back, take the motor off, 845 00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:58,330 put the motor in the bush, 846 00:50:58,430 --> 00:51:00,690 undo the bungs on the back of the boat, 847 00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:02,250 and it would just slowly 848 00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:04,571 sink in situ in the river. 849 00:51:04,671 --> 00:51:07,691 They know where it is, no one else does. 850 00:51:07,791 --> 00:51:14,451 Certainly this family has been associated with suspicion 851 00:51:14,551 --> 00:51:17,192 for many, many years about things like that. 852 00:51:17,992 --> 00:51:20,492 And Michael... 853 00:51:20,592 --> 00:51:23,092 obviously intelligent. 854 00:51:23,192 --> 00:51:25,292 Simply the fact is 855 00:51:25,392 --> 00:51:27,292 that we would never have laid a glove on him 856 00:51:27,392 --> 00:51:28,933 if he was by himself. 857 00:51:29,033 --> 00:51:33,333 It was only separately when Joan's statement was obtained 858 00:51:33,433 --> 00:51:37,253 and his mother couldn't keep the story together. 859 00:51:37,353 --> 00:51:39,553 So it was that... 860 00:51:41,314 --> 00:51:45,834 which turned the smoke into a fire. 861 00:51:47,674 --> 00:51:48,734 From that point in time, 862 00:51:48,834 --> 00:51:50,814 we have to treat these people as suspects. 863 00:51:50,914 --> 00:51:53,235 The game is formally on. 864 00:51:58,635 --> 00:52:01,055 For whatever reason, Joan Gater come into our camp. 865 00:52:01,155 --> 00:52:04,256 She wanted to buy... That's right, she wanted to borrow, 866 00:52:04,356 --> 00:52:08,376 and wanted to see if I had some refrigerant gas. 867 00:52:08,476 --> 00:52:10,296 We did the normal neighbourly thing. 868 00:52:10,396 --> 00:52:12,216 Would you like a cup of coffee and a biscuit? 869 00:52:12,316 --> 00:52:13,896 We're sitting at the table 870 00:52:13,996 --> 00:52:16,577 having a cup of coffee and a biscuit. 871 00:52:16,677 --> 00:52:19,217 And somehow, for some reason, 872 00:52:19,317 --> 00:52:22,017 she brought this conversation up, 873 00:52:22,117 --> 00:52:25,937 saying how she knew things about the bush. 874 00:52:26,037 --> 00:52:28,858 And that her uncle or something like that, 875 00:52:28,958 --> 00:52:31,938 I'm pretty sure it was her uncle, was in special forces 876 00:52:32,038 --> 00:52:33,578 up in New Guinea 877 00:52:33,678 --> 00:52:35,618 and had taught her 878 00:52:35,718 --> 00:52:37,898 if you wanted to get rid of a body, how to do it. 879 00:52:37,998 --> 00:52:40,338 You wrapped 'em up tightly in trawler net 880 00:52:40,438 --> 00:52:41,859 and weighted 'em down. 881 00:52:41,959 --> 00:52:43,859 So if you sunk them down to the bottom, 882 00:52:43,959 --> 00:52:45,619 they would sink in the mud. 883 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,539 The bones, nothing would ever float to the surface. 884 00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:51,099 And in these northern waters, 885 00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,700 all the plankton and everything would eat everything away 886 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,800 and nothing would ever be found. 887 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,860 And I'm sitting there going, well, that's weird. 888 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,021 Why would you want to tell me that? 889 00:53:05,121 --> 00:53:09,301 And that made me very much on guard. 890 00:53:09,401 --> 00:53:11,301 We were lucky we had two big dogs. 891 00:53:11,401 --> 00:53:14,421 So when I was not in the camp, 892 00:53:14,521 --> 00:53:16,921 I carried my shotgun with me at all times. 893 00:53:26,842 --> 00:53:29,583 We established that all firearms 894 00:53:29,683 --> 00:53:32,583 owned, registered to Michael Gater were missing. 895 00:53:32,683 --> 00:53:34,383 Entirely gone. 896 00:53:34,483 --> 00:53:38,623 Um, Joan Gater, in explanation of this, 897 00:53:38,723 --> 00:53:40,423 said that sometime prior, 898 00:53:40,523 --> 00:53:43,424 Michael Gater had attempted suicide in a vessel 899 00:53:43,524 --> 00:53:45,424 and that they'd thrown the firearms overboard 900 00:53:45,524 --> 00:53:46,784 as a consequence. 901 00:53:46,884 --> 00:53:50,104 However, Vincent Gater discounted this 902 00:53:50,204 --> 00:53:51,944 as just a straight lie. 903 00:53:52,044 --> 00:53:54,065 So, therefore, Joan Gater's explanation 904 00:53:54,165 --> 00:53:56,945 in regard to why the guns are missing 905 00:53:57,045 --> 00:53:58,865 is not only false, 906 00:53:58,965 --> 00:54:03,785 it's a direct lie, proven by her son. 907 00:54:03,885 --> 00:54:06,766 And they were never recovered. We never found them. 908 00:54:13,926 --> 00:54:16,346 The only scenario I can come up with, 909 00:54:16,446 --> 00:54:21,587 if they've both been shot, if that be the case, 910 00:54:21,687 --> 00:54:28,187 I can only think that, for some reason... 911 00:54:28,287 --> 00:54:34,148 the shooter never saw the kid until after Dad had been shot. 912 00:54:34,248 --> 00:54:36,768 And then the kid's head's popped up. 913 00:54:48,329 --> 00:54:51,189 I dreamt that Brad... 914 00:54:51,289 --> 00:54:53,969 He's still in my dreams. 915 00:54:56,610 --> 00:54:58,550 I said, "Are you okay?" 916 00:54:58,650 --> 00:55:01,910 He said, "Yeah, I'm with Dad and Granddad." 917 00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:04,070 And I said, "Are you all right?" 918 00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:06,030 He said, "Yeah." 919 00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:07,711 I said, "What happened?" 920 00:55:07,811 --> 00:55:10,671 He said, "They rolled us up in an orange net, 921 00:55:10,771 --> 00:55:12,551 "and put us in a croc hole." 922 00:55:19,652 --> 00:55:22,372 I have vivid dreams sometimes. 923 00:55:35,773 --> 00:55:38,593 The rivers themselves are lush 924 00:55:38,693 --> 00:55:43,114 and full of beautiful creatures. 925 00:55:43,214 --> 00:55:46,554 But then when you're in the estuary, which is the mangroves, 926 00:55:46,654 --> 00:55:49,074 which is the ugliest place of all, man, 927 00:55:49,174 --> 00:55:52,954 like, these ugly trees and this mud and the water's all brown. 928 00:55:53,054 --> 00:55:55,475 You look at it and go, "This place is shit, man." 929 00:55:55,575 --> 00:55:58,355 But the estuary is a breeding ground for everything 930 00:55:58,455 --> 00:56:01,155 and it's full of fish. 931 00:56:01,255 --> 00:56:04,595 And where all these fish are, of course, is crocodiles, man, 932 00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:06,775 and they're all over the place. 933 00:56:09,056 --> 00:56:12,996 And I guess the lesson in all of that nature, 934 00:56:13,096 --> 00:56:17,796 is that there's no room for the weak in there, man. 935 00:56:17,896 --> 00:56:20,037 You won't survive. 936 00:56:20,137 --> 00:56:22,477 So, we were brutal out there. 937 00:56:22,577 --> 00:56:27,077 I learned that off of Michael, that you got to assert yourself. 938 00:56:27,177 --> 00:56:30,757 When you have to hand-kill animals with a knife, 939 00:56:30,857 --> 00:56:32,878 over and over and over, 940 00:56:32,978 --> 00:56:35,318 you know, you discover your brutality 941 00:56:35,418 --> 00:56:38,998 and you start pushing it away and then you know... 942 00:56:39,098 --> 00:56:43,118 we're the alpha here and we've got guns 943 00:56:43,218 --> 00:56:45,919 and we'll fuck ya and we'll fuck ya first. 944 00:56:46,019 --> 00:56:48,279 And that way you stay on top. 945 00:56:48,379 --> 00:56:52,759 And I learnt that from Michael, I reckon, and I felt it too. 946 00:56:52,859 --> 00:56:54,439 Yep. 947 00:56:54,539 --> 00:56:57,080 You just harden up. 948 00:57:29,902 --> 00:57:33,123 It's a sordid tale involving two fishing families 949 00:57:33,223 --> 00:57:35,123 from the far, far north. 950 00:57:35,223 --> 00:57:37,883 Father and son, Bevin and Brad Simmonds missing, 951 00:57:37,983 --> 00:57:42,543 presumed murdered by Joan Gater and her son Michael. 952 00:57:53,384 --> 00:57:57,225 What I'm trying to do is bring to the jury... 953 00:57:58,265 --> 00:58:02,125 as transparent a story as I can, 954 00:58:02,225 --> 00:58:04,805 because, you know, what ultimately your jury sees 955 00:58:04,905 --> 00:58:07,965 is but a mere shadow. 956 00:58:08,065 --> 00:58:10,286 But there were undertones 957 00:58:10,386 --> 00:58:14,166 of a potential third party involvement. 958 00:58:14,266 --> 00:58:16,046 Now, to be specific, 959 00:58:16,146 --> 00:58:18,706 and to cut to the chase, Catherine Simmonds. 960 00:58:23,427 --> 00:58:26,667 I never seen that woman shed a tear. Never! 961 00:58:27,787 --> 00:58:29,787 And I don't think that's normal. 962 00:58:32,307 --> 00:58:35,048 She stopped all engagements with us. 963 00:58:35,148 --> 00:58:37,008 Why would someone do that? 964 00:58:37,108 --> 00:58:39,128 You know, you rally around your family, 965 00:58:39,228 --> 00:58:43,608 you pull them in closer and you, you know, share stories 966 00:58:43,708 --> 00:58:46,089 to get to the bottom of something. 967 00:58:46,189 --> 00:58:49,609 She didn't. She just distanced. She distanced the kids. 968 00:58:49,709 --> 00:58:52,429 And that's the way she kept it. 969 00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:58,810 And I've believed that right from the start, 970 00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:02,290 that she put the thought out there. 971 00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:07,230 I honestly believe that it was orchestrated. 972 00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:10,171 With the promise that, you know, 973 00:59:10,271 --> 00:59:13,631 I can't be with you, while Bevin's here. 974 00:59:19,991 --> 00:59:22,972 And Bevin knew, like... 975 00:59:23,072 --> 00:59:26,772 Bevin said that Michael had been buying her jewellery. 976 00:59:26,872 --> 00:59:29,252 $3,500 they paid for this watch, 977 00:59:29,352 --> 00:59:32,972 Joan and Michael Gater. 978 00:59:33,072 --> 00:59:35,253 It was an enormously expensive gesture by Michael. 979 00:59:35,353 --> 00:59:37,573 Like, this watch, apart from it being effectively 980 00:59:37,673 --> 00:59:40,013 a glamour costume bit a jewellery, 981 00:59:40,113 --> 00:59:43,333 it was entirely unsuitable for use in that environment. 982 00:59:43,433 --> 00:59:47,474 You know, how does Cathy Simmonds explain this watch? 983 00:59:49,274 --> 00:59:52,214 So it indicates a level of lack of respect. 984 00:59:52,314 --> 00:59:55,774 And he said, "She will not take my kids." 985 00:59:55,874 --> 00:59:57,614 And she knew that. 986 00:59:57,714 --> 00:59:59,175 There's no way in the world 987 00:59:59,275 --> 01:00:03,855 she could have left Bevin for another bloke 988 01:00:03,955 --> 01:00:07,455 and took them kids 'cause he would've fought tooth and nail. 989 01:00:07,555 --> 01:00:09,015 And there are 990 01:00:09,115 --> 01:00:12,216 at least four or five witnesses that relate to us 991 01:00:12,316 --> 01:00:14,616 direct conversations with Michael Gater, 992 01:00:14,716 --> 01:00:18,976 in regard to, if Bevin went missing at the net, 993 01:00:19,076 --> 01:00:21,076 no one would ever know. 994 01:00:28,557 --> 01:00:30,537 Well, every investigation comes to a point 995 01:00:30,637 --> 01:00:34,197 where you've got to make a decision. 996 01:00:36,558 --> 01:00:38,538 Also, you know, 997 01:00:38,638 --> 01:00:41,018 when push comes to shove that you're arresting them, 998 01:00:41,118 --> 01:00:44,258 that creates a different mindset for these people. 999 01:00:44,358 --> 01:00:45,378 So there's opportunities 1000 01:00:45,478 --> 01:00:47,219 potentially there that might arise. 1001 01:00:47,319 --> 01:00:49,859 Someone might decide, "Well, too good for me, boys, 1002 01:00:49,959 --> 01:00:53,619 "I'll tell you everything about it. I'll fess up." 1003 01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:55,719 That didn't occur. 1004 01:00:57,279 --> 01:00:59,900 When you believe you've exploited and gathered 1005 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,420 as much information as you could potentially 1006 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,500 likely to ever gather, 1007 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,020 and the only further information 1008 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,120 can come from the perpetrators... 1009 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,061 time to act. 1010 01:01:12,161 --> 01:01:15,541 13th of December 2003, we acted. 1011 01:01:15,641 --> 01:01:20,261 And we charged them, Joan and Michael Gater... 1012 01:01:20,361 --> 01:01:22,921 of the murder of Brad and Bevin Simmonds. 1013 01:01:26,682 --> 01:01:30,482 Only Michael and Joan Gater have been charged with this matter. 1014 01:01:49,404 --> 01:01:51,704 I sat there during that court case, 1015 01:01:51,804 --> 01:01:53,984 and I sat there for almost the whole two weeks. 1016 01:01:54,084 --> 01:01:55,704 I don't think they knew I was there, 1017 01:01:55,804 --> 01:01:57,344 but I was just listening to everything. 1018 01:01:57,444 --> 01:02:02,225 And I just thought, "Man, they're just there." 1019 01:02:02,325 --> 01:02:04,705 "That's all you've got. 1020 01:02:04,805 --> 01:02:07,985 "He's the easiest person to blame." 1021 01:02:08,085 --> 01:02:09,825 You know, I sat in the courtroom 1022 01:02:09,925 --> 01:02:12,986 with my mum and my grandma every day. 1023 01:02:13,086 --> 01:02:17,666 And Bevin was the father 1024 01:02:17,766 --> 01:02:19,906 and he was the husband. 1025 01:02:20,006 --> 01:02:23,746 Yeah, he could be tough, but he was not the monster 1026 01:02:23,846 --> 01:02:25,887 that he was made out to be. 1027 01:02:28,207 --> 01:02:32,947 It was almost like it was justified what happened to him. 1028 01:02:33,047 --> 01:02:35,707 The jury came out, there was very little eye contact. 1029 01:02:35,807 --> 01:02:38,188 There was a lot of the Gater family 1030 01:02:38,288 --> 01:02:40,508 present in the courtroom, 1031 01:02:40,608 --> 01:02:45,128 which at the time was quite intimidating. 1032 01:02:46,408 --> 01:02:49,989 A lot of people were so scared to speak out. 1033 01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:53,369 And those that did speak... 1034 01:02:54,369 --> 01:02:57,689 um, were belittled. 1035 01:03:00,610 --> 01:03:02,870 It just looked completely like, 1036 01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:04,870 they happened to be there at that time, 1037 01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:06,550 "Yeah, let's pin it on them, 1038 01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:08,270 "because we've got no fucking imagination. 1039 01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:09,910 "We can't work anything else out. 1040 01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:13,631 "And, look, let's go for the easy target," you know. 1041 01:03:13,731 --> 01:03:15,771 Who's going to believe him? 1042 01:03:17,331 --> 01:03:19,551 Michael, his entire life 1043 01:03:19,651 --> 01:03:23,751 had effectively lived the closed environment 1044 01:03:23,851 --> 01:03:26,032 on the vessels with his family. 1045 01:03:26,132 --> 01:03:30,232 It was only in his late twenties, early thirties 1046 01:03:30,332 --> 01:03:35,392 that he discovered the benefits and pleasures 1047 01:03:35,492 --> 01:03:38,553 arising from female companionship. 1048 01:03:38,653 --> 01:03:40,313 Whereupon he's lost the plot, 1049 01:03:40,413 --> 01:03:43,473 and he's doing anything else but fishing. 1050 01:03:43,573 --> 01:03:46,593 He's off pursuing women, 1051 01:03:46,693 --> 01:03:49,154 which is a quite natural and sensible course of conduct 1052 01:03:49,254 --> 01:03:52,274 for a young man in his situation. 1053 01:03:52,374 --> 01:03:56,914 However, from Joan Gater's perspective, 1054 01:03:57,014 --> 01:03:59,194 her husband has a single arm. 1055 01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:01,355 He's effectively an invalid on the vessels. 1056 01:04:01,455 --> 01:04:03,115 She doesn't actively go fishing. 1057 01:04:03,215 --> 01:04:05,235 Michael is the fisherman for the family. 1058 01:04:05,335 --> 01:04:06,995 Vincent is probably too young. 1059 01:04:07,095 --> 01:04:09,755 Vincent, his brother, he's probably too young at this stage 1060 01:04:09,855 --> 01:04:12,275 to actually shoulder the major responsibility. 1061 01:04:12,375 --> 01:04:14,036 So, from Joan Gater's perspective, 1062 01:04:14,136 --> 01:04:17,756 the empire is tottering because Michael is not on the job. 1063 01:04:17,856 --> 01:04:19,556 He's lost focus. 1064 01:04:19,656 --> 01:04:24,436 Joan then starts making overtures to the Ward family 1065 01:04:24,536 --> 01:04:26,277 about the benefits of 1066 01:04:26,377 --> 01:04:30,197 a Michael Gater/Cathy Simmonds formal union. 1067 01:04:30,297 --> 01:04:36,437 And Joan starts to offer a range of incentives, 1068 01:04:36,537 --> 01:04:40,578 in regard to fishing licences, financial remuneration... 1069 01:04:41,458 --> 01:04:43,318 to effectively a dowry, 1070 01:04:43,418 --> 01:04:44,798 I suppose, 1071 01:04:44,898 --> 01:04:47,918 to facilitate this. 1072 01:04:48,018 --> 01:04:50,679 And it would've been a satisfactory conclusion, 1073 01:04:50,779 --> 01:04:52,679 from both families' perspectives, 1074 01:04:52,779 --> 01:04:54,959 for this to arise in a natural course of events, 1075 01:04:55,059 --> 01:04:57,759 of a relationship devolving and a divorce 1076 01:04:57,859 --> 01:04:59,279 and everyone moves on, 1077 01:04:59,379 --> 01:05:01,639 and if it moves into Michael and Cathy's direction, well, 1078 01:05:01,739 --> 01:05:05,080 yahoo, the two clans have been joined, 1079 01:05:05,180 --> 01:05:07,320 and Michael becomes very focused 1080 01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:10,380 and the empire can continue steaming along. 1081 01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:19,401 But I suspect that there was no... 1082 01:05:19,501 --> 01:05:23,501 clear sign of a formal separation between... 1083 01:05:24,741 --> 01:05:27,362 Catherine and Bevin. 1084 01:05:27,462 --> 01:05:30,342 So Michael's limbo was set to continue. 1085 01:05:36,022 --> 01:05:39,643 Bevin leaves for about a two-week period, 1086 01:05:39,743 --> 01:05:45,203 to work on some boat-related issues, 1087 01:05:45,303 --> 01:05:47,883 particularly for a shark reel. 1088 01:05:47,983 --> 01:05:52,164 And in his absence, the romance was continued 1089 01:05:52,264 --> 01:05:54,444 in quite overt fashion, where Michael was in fact living 1090 01:05:54,544 --> 01:05:57,424 on the El Dorado with Cathy and the family. 1091 01:06:01,024 --> 01:06:04,845 Clearly, Cathy is not of a mind to end the relationship. 1092 01:06:04,945 --> 01:06:07,845 There are a whole range of consequences of that. 1093 01:06:07,945 --> 01:06:10,325 Financial is one of them. 1094 01:06:10,425 --> 01:06:14,405 And then within five or six days of his return, 1095 01:06:14,505 --> 01:06:17,186 the father and son disappear at the net. 1096 01:06:27,507 --> 01:06:29,687 Brad Simmonds and his father Bevin 1097 01:06:29,787 --> 01:06:32,647 haven't been seen in more than two years. 1098 01:06:32,747 --> 01:06:35,367 And prosecutors say it's all because of the affair 1099 01:06:35,467 --> 01:06:39,768 Cathy Simmonds was having with a jealous trawler skipper. 1100 01:06:39,868 --> 01:06:42,328 It's alleged - with the help of his mother, Joan - 1101 01:06:42,428 --> 01:06:46,368 he murdered father and son and disposed of their bodies. 1102 01:06:46,468 --> 01:06:49,248 He then spent the night with an oblivious Cathy 1103 01:06:49,348 --> 01:06:52,929 aboard the family boat, the El Dorado. 1104 01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:55,569 You know, they painted the whole picture, right? 1105 01:06:55,669 --> 01:06:57,289 So, you know, alcohol 1106 01:06:57,389 --> 01:07:00,569 and, you know, all this stuff out of control, you know. 1107 01:07:00,669 --> 01:07:02,249 And I'm sitting there, thinking, 1108 01:07:02,349 --> 01:07:05,210 "Yeah... it doesn't sound like the picture I remember. 1109 01:07:05,310 --> 01:07:07,690 "No, it doesn't sound like what I experienced at all. 1110 01:07:07,790 --> 01:07:09,770 "You're just... you're bullshitting." 1111 01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:13,730 Now forget the fact that we had no bodies, 1112 01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:17,691 we had no forensics, no witnesses to the event. 1113 01:07:17,791 --> 01:07:20,391 And we had an entirely circumstantial case. 1114 01:07:21,551 --> 01:07:25,611 You don't know. None of you know shit. 1115 01:07:25,711 --> 01:07:27,131 Whatever it was, it's tragic, 1116 01:07:27,231 --> 01:07:31,532 and would've been violent and messy, but... 1117 01:07:31,632 --> 01:07:34,172 third party involvement led to their deaths 1118 01:07:34,272 --> 01:07:36,632 of a homicidal nature. 1119 01:07:40,113 --> 01:07:42,733 I couldn't even go to the last day of the trial, 1120 01:07:42,833 --> 01:07:44,973 because I knew that they were going to get off, 1121 01:07:45,073 --> 01:07:47,813 and I couldn't bear to be there. 1122 01:07:47,913 --> 01:07:50,013 I knew they were going to walk free, and they did. 1123 01:07:50,113 --> 01:07:53,494 They walked out of the courtroom free people. 1124 01:07:53,594 --> 01:07:58,094 But I still remember the look on Michael's face 1125 01:07:58,194 --> 01:08:02,014 when... when the verdict was read. 1126 01:08:02,114 --> 01:08:04,295 And he turned around, 1127 01:08:04,395 --> 01:08:08,095 and he just had this shock look on his face, 1128 01:08:08,195 --> 01:08:10,655 like, "Oh!" 1129 01:08:10,755 --> 01:08:12,775 That was it. "Oh!" 1130 01:08:12,875 --> 01:08:15,795 As he turned around and then he faced back. 1131 01:08:17,676 --> 01:08:20,276 And that was pretty much it. 1132 01:08:21,276 --> 01:08:23,616 I remember being so angry 1133 01:08:23,716 --> 01:08:26,496 and... 1134 01:08:26,596 --> 01:08:28,817 You know, they sort of come over to interview us, 1135 01:08:28,917 --> 01:08:33,697 but they were just so hell-bent on Michael's story. 1136 01:08:33,797 --> 01:08:37,157 Michael and Joan, they've just been acquitted of murder! 1137 01:08:38,477 --> 01:08:40,377 And I just think Bevin and Brad 1138 01:08:40,477 --> 01:08:42,978 were kind of really forgotten in that moment. 1139 01:08:45,878 --> 01:08:49,598 I guess that, well, I'll take that to my grave. 1140 01:08:51,998 --> 01:08:55,059 This is a void of information. 1141 01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:56,539 This whole investigation 1142 01:08:56,639 --> 01:09:01,499 surrounds the reconstruction of the surrounding events. 1143 01:09:01,599 --> 01:09:04,779 But the actual events are a black hole of information. 1144 01:09:04,879 --> 01:09:06,100 None. 1145 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,620 No one knows what happened. 1146 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,540 There's only the perpetrators of this crime are the-- 1147 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,820 And I say it's a crime, incontrovertibly it's a crime. 1148 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,981 This isn't a disappearance at sea. 1149 01:09:18,081 --> 01:09:20,581 This isn't an accident. 1150 01:09:20,681 --> 01:09:23,881 There's third party involvement of some nature in this. 1151 01:09:27,161 --> 01:09:28,581 So the only people alive 1152 01:09:28,681 --> 01:09:30,742 are the perpetrators who can tell us what happened. 1153 01:09:30,842 --> 01:09:33,722 And I don't know. I don't know. 1154 01:09:47,883 --> 01:09:49,943 You know, and, sure, I can understand, 1155 01:09:50,043 --> 01:09:52,583 you know, killing the things you have to, 1156 01:09:52,683 --> 01:09:56,604 but you don't kill the things you don't have to. 1157 01:09:59,604 --> 01:10:03,304 It's not that I don't think that Michael, you know... 1158 01:10:03,404 --> 01:10:05,184 or they aren't capable of doing it. 1159 01:10:05,284 --> 01:10:08,385 I mean, you're capable of doing it for sure, man. 1160 01:10:08,485 --> 01:10:09,705 We're all capable of doing it. 1161 01:10:09,805 --> 01:10:12,505 And I guess you're on the edge there a lot more 1162 01:10:12,605 --> 01:10:15,725 because of your lifestyle. 1163 01:10:23,086 --> 01:10:27,466 Our family unit definitely fell apart after that. 1164 01:10:27,566 --> 01:10:30,707 You know, I don't even speak to any of my other cousins 1165 01:10:30,807 --> 01:10:33,627 because of this. 1166 01:10:33,727 --> 01:10:37,667 You know, Glen and I were sort of at loggerheads too about it. 1167 01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:40,467 So we didn't talk for a while. 1168 01:10:40,567 --> 01:10:44,408 Just really rocked the whole family, I guess. 1169 01:10:54,128 --> 01:10:58,309 My role here is justice. 1170 01:10:58,409 --> 01:11:02,349 Maybe my law was a bit stronger then the Westerners. 1171 01:11:02,449 --> 01:11:04,569 That's how I feel. 1172 01:11:06,329 --> 01:11:12,590 You do anything wrong or murder committed in the bush... 1173 01:11:12,690 --> 01:11:17,170 There's a justice spear, it's a three-prong spear. 1174 01:11:19,651 --> 01:11:21,791 It's painful. 1175 01:11:21,891 --> 01:11:23,751 It's painful. 1176 01:11:23,851 --> 01:11:27,551 That's the only way they can settle a matter 1177 01:11:27,651 --> 01:11:29,771 in two different clan groups. 1178 01:11:31,012 --> 01:11:34,032 Justice spear. 1179 01:11:34,132 --> 01:11:39,332 Then when that happens, everything's back to normal. 1180 01:11:40,452 --> 01:11:43,313 But our way... 1181 01:11:43,413 --> 01:11:46,773 revenge, before everything stops. 1182 01:11:50,333 --> 01:11:52,073 Day one of a murder. 1183 01:11:52,173 --> 01:11:55,074 "Hm! All good." 1184 01:11:55,174 --> 01:11:59,494 Day three, four, five. "Yep, I got this." 1185 01:12:00,454 --> 01:12:02,474 Week one... 1186 01:12:02,574 --> 01:12:04,154 Week two... 1187 01:12:04,254 --> 01:12:06,354 A month... A year... 1188 01:12:06,454 --> 01:12:07,995 10 years... 1189 01:12:08,095 --> 01:12:10,115 20 years... 1190 01:12:10,215 --> 01:12:13,535 A murderer has to live with the guilt. 1191 01:12:17,495 --> 01:12:20,056 Part of the reason I'm sitting here... 1192 01:12:21,176 --> 01:12:22,756 There's... 1193 01:12:22,856 --> 01:12:28,076 I feel guilty that I didn't speak to the police 1194 01:12:28,176 --> 01:12:30,076 prior to the event. 1195 01:12:30,176 --> 01:12:34,557 And part of my not speaking up earlier, 1196 01:12:34,657 --> 01:12:38,197 even... I was gutless as I was scared. 1197 01:12:38,297 --> 01:12:40,997 Part of it was my own survival. 1198 01:12:41,097 --> 01:12:43,117 You know? 1199 01:12:43,217 --> 01:12:44,758 So if I've got it, 1200 01:12:44,858 --> 01:12:47,818 then a lot of other people have got it a lot more. 1201 01:12:52,418 --> 01:12:55,638 Bevin and Brad's bodies remain missing. 1202 01:12:55,738 --> 01:12:57,479 They haven't been recovered. 1203 01:12:57,579 --> 01:13:03,559 These matters remain live investigations, forever. 1204 01:13:03,659 --> 01:13:07,659 You know, it's... it's a bleeding sore. 1205 01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:11,640 We'll never know. 1206 01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:17,160 You know, we'll never know that last moment, you know? 1207 01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:19,520 Did they feel fear? Did they feel scared? 1208 01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:22,661 Did they feel peace? Did they...? 1209 01:13:28,101 --> 01:13:31,681 Little Brad, his heart was a bit like his dad. 1210 01:13:31,781 --> 01:13:33,442 He'd had this great heart. 1211 01:13:33,542 --> 01:13:36,062 And I'm not going to say goodbye to 'em. 1212 01:13:37,422 --> 01:13:40,422 Because... they will never die to me. 1213 01:13:41,662 --> 01:13:44,262 They will always be in my memory. 1214 01:13:47,583 --> 01:13:51,463 Yeah, I'm not saying goodbye. Sorry, I can't. 1215 01:13:55,623 --> 01:13:59,364 Wherever they were missing, 1216 01:13:59,464 --> 01:14:02,364 their spirits should be hanging around that area 1217 01:14:02,464 --> 01:14:06,624 where they were killed or murdered. 1218 01:14:08,664 --> 01:14:14,865 After life, we believe we still roam our country. 1219 01:14:17,625 --> 01:14:21,586 Sometimes, we do see them... 1220 01:14:23,786 --> 01:14:27,146 but they are all spirit now. 90037

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