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You know that story
that happened
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up there in the Gulf about those
people that went missing...
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Unbelievable.
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People disappear. It'd
be an easy place to disappear.
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You know,
there's no one around.
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There's no one
going to hear anything.
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There's no one
going to see anything.
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Supposedly,
it went missing at sea, but...
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it's not what I've heard.
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It's not what anybody else
believes either.
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I feel very
uncomfortable talking about it
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because there was no doubt that
this was a stain upon our soul.
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This was evil.
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And it really stunned
all of us.
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The Gulf has tried
to put a blanket
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over the whole thing.
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They just want
it all suppressed.
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No one talks
about it anymore.
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As for the young boy,
I mean,
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I think he was just bloody, um,
in the wrong spot
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at the wrong time, you know.
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Unbelievable.
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A 10-year-old bloody kid
out with his dad, fishing.
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A father and son had
gone to do what they always do
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and hadn't returned.
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So, from a search-and-rescue
point of view,
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they weren't, like,
out in the middle of the ocean,
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they were in fairly close.
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I mean, they're obviously
not just getting beamed up.
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It was a calm,
sunny morning
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when Bevin Simmonds
and his 10-year-old son, Brad,
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went to check their shark nets.
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But the daily routine
ended in June 2003.
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Missing,
presumed murdered,
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their bodies
have never been found.
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The Gulf country
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is a different world,
a completely different world.
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It's a cliche, I know,
but up there men can be men.
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"Yeah, righto!" You go out
the back of the pub.
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But it might go further
than that, you know,
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might end up in a shootout.
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And this leads to people
killing each other,
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which is not an
uncommon event.
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Professional fishing is
the second oldest profession
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in the world,
after prostitution.
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You know, and I'm a killer,
I'm a natural born killer.
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I love killing things.
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If you haven't got
a criminal record,
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you don't live in the Gulf.
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That's what
some of them used to say.
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We used to call 'em
the truckies of the sea,
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you know, the fishermen.
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They're fighting sharks,
they're fighting crocodiles,
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they're fighting each other.
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If there wasn't three fights
in the pub a night,
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the pub was closed.
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It's just a frontier. It's like
the wild, wild west, really.
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So to go out on the sea
was a very male-dominated place,
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and they didn't like women
being on the sea.
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They didn't mind having sex with
us, but they didn't like us.
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You know, like, if they're
giving me trouble in a bar,
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I'd say, "Well,
you want to step outside?"
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Hello!
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These were bulbously
muscled, bloody idiots.
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But occasionally, you know,
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I'd throw a really nice
glass jaw,
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and down would go so and so,
"Oh, isn't that amazing!
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"It works, it works!"
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And then run like hell.
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You know, we're having
these blues over turf
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every other day.
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Because we need to know we can
make enough money to pay,
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you know, the hundred grand
it costs you every month
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to get to sea.
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If you don't catch,
you don't get paid.
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So your arse is on the line.
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I mean,
you try and become civilised.
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But the hatred levels can get
very, very serious indeed.
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And they're in
the middle of nowhere.
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The police?
They may as well not be there.
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They don't exist.
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There's nothing up there.
Have a look on a map.
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You've got Karumba,
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and you've got Weipa,
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and you got
bugger-all in between.
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A couple of Aboriginal
establishments there,
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and then you go from Karumba
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all the way over
to the NT border
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and you've got
a couple of cattle stations.
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You go on the beach
there by yourself,
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someone drops you off,
you're dead.
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That's it.
You ain't getting home.
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You know, you've got
so many rivers to cross.
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And if you've seen those rivers,
they snake around
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and around and around like that.
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It's-- You just get lost.
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It's, yeah, it's,
it's dead man's country.
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It really is.
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We all have
traditional homelands...
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but that land...
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we don't own it.
That land owns us.
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So when we pass,
we go back to that place.
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Back to our homeland.
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It's just like heaven.
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But that's my paradise -
homeland.
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And we grow up
with those song lines
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until the day we depart
Mother Earth.
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Ah, "who am I?"
is a good question.
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I don't know.
I'm an artist, I guess.
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You know, it's right.
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There's something about
the pencil on the page.
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The sound of it,
the smell of it.
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I dig it, you know, like, yeah.
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I literally drove to Cairns.
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Yeah, straight
out of art school.
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It just felt exactly right.
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But Cairns is pretty much
the end of civilisation.
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You can go to Port Douglas.
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You can get to Cooktown,
if you call that civilised.
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I don't know,
many people wouldn't.
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But it's where
the bitumen stops,
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and after that, there's really,
honestly nothing much there.
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It's a long drive, man,
and I'd run out of money.
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And by the time I got there,
I had nothing.
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And, um, yeah, got on
a fishing boat, you know,
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literally the next day.
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You're on this pristine river.
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It's the morning, and the mist
is rising off the river,
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and, you know,
the sun's coming up,
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and you're gunning the dinghy,
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and it's fucking-- this is
beautiful, you know, like...
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And then the bugs start
hitting you in the face,
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and it's like,
pom, pom, pom, pom!
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and you can't fucking
see anything.
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You turn your head like that and
look out the corner of your eye
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and they're going in
your ears, you know?
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Fuck this beautiful place, mate.
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Why does everything here
turn to shit?
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You know, like,
and they were everywhere.
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They were up my arse,
they were behind my ears.
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They're like...
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And that was
just the sandflies.
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Fuck! It's, you know,
you have this idea in your head
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and then you face
the horrible hard reality,
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that nature
doesn't want you there.
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Nature doesn't like you. Nature
doesn't give a fuck about you.
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In fact, you know, nature would
prefer to just either eat you,
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or, I don't know,
get rid of you in some way,
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'cause you're not--
You don't belong.
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It's brutal.
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Mmm.
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Yeah. You got to be tough.
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You got to be really
fucking tough.
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The only way you could
ever live there is on a boat,
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because it is...
it is unliveable country.
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They'll live
on the riverbank.
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They'll live there, but make
these big huts and things,
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or dragging caravans,
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and they set themselves up
there with generators.
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They'll live there for months
and months and months.
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Some of the kids
are born up there
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on the rivers, you know?
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Fishermen are like
the ancient sea gypsies.
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Always on the move,
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living in their little
ocean caravans.
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I often sit in the wheelhouse,
lonely at night.
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I'm on watch.
The moon's just coming up.
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It's flat calm.
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The whole world
is disappearing behind you,
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and in front of you
is this massive,
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big, large Gulf of Carpentaria,
where anything could happen.
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Bevin and Brad Simmonds
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were last seen in June 2003,
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when they left
to check offshore shark nets
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near the mouth
of the Coleman River
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on the northwest
of Cape York.
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Prosecution
outlined the turbulent history
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between the two fishing families
based in the Gulf.
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I'm Bevin Simmonds' sister,
um, who we lost in 2003.
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And that's the Bevin
we all remember.
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That was his wedding day.
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Yeah, he was so excited.
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Yeah, he met Cathy and he just
thought he hit the jackpot.
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For whatever reason, she
didn't really like me too much.
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She hated the get-togethers.
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"Why you always
gotta go to your sister?
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"You got to tell her
everything."
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But Bevin and I were close,
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so it changed things
between him and I.
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That's Brad, Katie, um...
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Mum and Dad.
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My brother, Glen.
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And then that's the Wards.
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Dave and Beth.
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I never really had much
to do with any of them.
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The family have got
a rough, rogue reputation.
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It's different to others.
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You know, they're, they're
a very strong physical family.
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They're a tough family.
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Old man Ward, I mean,
he was a black belt karate.
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And his wife,
she's the only person ever
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to knock him over.
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There's no one in the Gulf
that would've tackled them.
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Some of the members have
been on fishing committees
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that have helped
the Gulf prosper,
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helped with legislation
to help manage the Gulf.
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So they're well respected
within the fishing industry,
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and they've done a lot
for the fishing industry.
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A lot for themselves,
in the process,
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but have been like
wild powerbrokers in the Gulf,
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relating to fishing.
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Well, you've seen here,
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my son's still fishing,
my daughter's still fishing.
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My granddaughters,
both granddaughters are fishing.
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Um...
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Well, you've seen Katie, she's
ready to have a baby any day,
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and she's still
out there, fishing.
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She's not doing
the hard physical work,
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but she's still here on the deck
and that's hard work too.
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Everybody just sort of
comes to an agreement
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that I'd like to be here.
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It'd be good if nobody came,
but if somebody does come,
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you can't stop them, because
our licences are all the same.
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But most people have worked out
that they like this area
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or they like that area.
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Um...
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There was just the one family
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that sort of didn't
respect those rules,
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and they're still not
respecting those--
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Well, they're not... they're
not Government-enforced rules.
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They're fishermen's
handshake rules.
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Well, you couldn't write
it any better if you tried.
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Their last name's Gater, the
old man had a hook for a hand.
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There's murder investigations.
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The mum's nuts with a big dog.
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Boys are shooting at each other.
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Like, you can't write this shit.
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I mean, there's the Gaters,
there's old Joan,
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there's Michael,
there's Vince, the young one.
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There's old Vince.
I know old Vince really well.
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He was a bloody rogue.
He was a shocker.
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And I don't doubt he's probably
passed his attitude down
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onto some of the kids.
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You know, Vince and Michael.
247
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Like,
Vince's dinghy
248
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is decorated with turtle skulls.
249
00:16:14,619 --> 00:16:16,119
The whole front of his dinghy
250
00:16:16,219 --> 00:16:17,639
and the whole light bar
at the back
251
00:16:17,739 --> 00:16:20,879
has turtle skulls
cable-tied to it.
252
00:16:20,979 --> 00:16:24,339
And Michael makes
a very nice turtle bolognese.
253
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I felt like we,
254
00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:32,000
you know, it's hard
to say now,
255
00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:34,820
but I felt like we were
friends, you know.
256
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Finally get to meet the oldies.
257
00:16:37,741 --> 00:16:39,081
He'd talked about 'em
for a while,
258
00:16:39,181 --> 00:16:40,801
and wouldn't take me
there a couple of times.
259
00:16:40,901 --> 00:16:42,681
And there's Vince,
he's this, like, skinny,
260
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scrawny kind of bald guy.
261
00:16:44,701 --> 00:16:48,801
And he's got a hand missing with
a hook! Couldn't believe it!
262
00:16:48,901 --> 00:16:50,162
"In the old days...
263
00:16:50,262 --> 00:16:53,242
"You think this is fuckin'
hard, mate. This is easy."
264
00:16:53,342 --> 00:16:56,342
And he'd brag about how
he had this really young wife.
265
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She makes fucking
strong coffee,
266
00:17:00,502 --> 00:17:01,603
you know, like...
267
00:17:01,703 --> 00:17:04,203
She also
made really nice...
268
00:17:04,303 --> 00:17:05,763
catfish fritters.
269
00:17:05,863 --> 00:17:08,363
I remember, they were
fucking really nice.
270
00:17:08,463 --> 00:17:10,523
I've had the old lady
come into the office.
271
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You know, you think,
"Oh, gee, she--"
272
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99 out of 100 women
that come to your office
273
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are really, really polite.
274
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She's abusive.
She's just... she's unkept.
275
00:17:23,664 --> 00:17:25,604
And she was
really proud of Michael.
276
00:17:25,704 --> 00:17:28,525
She'd say it, you know, she'd
go, "Look at him, you know,
277
00:17:28,625 --> 00:17:30,965
"he's got his own boat
and he's making his own way."
278
00:17:31,065 --> 00:17:32,645
And she was really
proud of him, you know,
279
00:17:32,745 --> 00:17:35,605
like, she'd really...
she'd talk him up.
280
00:17:35,705 --> 00:17:37,846
She just...
she just idolises those boys.
281
00:17:37,946 --> 00:17:39,446
It's as simple as that.
282
00:17:39,546 --> 00:17:41,546
You know? I think she'd
do anything for them.
283
00:17:44,226 --> 00:17:46,046
Joan would be
pulling the strings
284
00:17:46,146 --> 00:17:48,446
on Vincent and Michael,
all the time.
285
00:17:48,546 --> 00:17:50,727
And even if Michael
got on his boat
286
00:17:50,827 --> 00:17:52,567
and moved to another area,
287
00:17:52,667 --> 00:17:54,607
he was going there with purpose,
288
00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:56,447
from what direction
he was given
289
00:17:56,547 --> 00:17:58,087
by the matriarch.
290
00:17:58,187 --> 00:18:00,207
Similar sort of thing
with the Ward family.
291
00:18:00,307 --> 00:18:02,288
Probably not as quite
as strong,
292
00:18:02,388 --> 00:18:04,768
but, yeah, definite matriarchs,
you know.
293
00:18:04,868 --> 00:18:08,888
Like, and they're respected
and feared
294
00:18:08,988 --> 00:18:15,089
because one word from them
and people do as they're told.
295
00:18:15,189 --> 00:18:17,569
They've made
millions of dollars over years.
296
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:20,009
They're not a poor family,
neither are the Wards.
297
00:18:20,109 --> 00:18:22,449
But they, you know,
they look broke.
298
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:24,449
They got no teeth.
They wear no shoes.
299
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:26,730
I've always said that fishermen
with no mongrel in them
300
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:29,150
don't last five minutes,
'cause they don't.
301
00:18:30,670 --> 00:18:33,050
We were all friends
growing up.
302
00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:34,690
'Cause we were sort of
the only friends
303
00:18:34,790 --> 00:18:36,170
they were
allowed to have,
304
00:18:36,270 --> 00:18:38,210
maybe because
we were fishing kids as well.
305
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:40,051
They weren't
allowed to communicate
306
00:18:40,151 --> 00:18:42,351
with many other families.
307
00:18:46,911 --> 00:18:49,051
You got to remember
when you're up there,
308
00:18:49,151 --> 00:18:51,212
you are working and living,
309
00:18:51,312 --> 00:18:53,432
and you are part
of the food chain.
310
00:18:54,952 --> 00:18:56,532
I always had a saying,
311
00:18:56,632 --> 00:18:58,932
like, even the butterflies
will bite you.
312
00:18:59,032 --> 00:19:01,052
That first six months was like,
313
00:19:01,152 --> 00:19:03,373
"Get me the hell out of here.
What have I done?"
314
00:19:03,473 --> 00:19:06,653
But... I was a bit stubborn.
I had to tough it through.
315
00:19:06,753 --> 00:19:09,613
And along the way, I made some
friends that helped me
316
00:19:09,713 --> 00:19:13,033
and gave me a bit of direction,
and that's what I needed.
317
00:19:17,314 --> 00:19:20,174
It was very much,
you looked at the beach,
318
00:19:20,274 --> 00:19:22,934
you looked at the sky,
you looked at the ocean.
319
00:19:23,034 --> 00:19:26,534
And once you became in tune
with that, you go,
320
00:19:26,634 --> 00:19:28,775
"Oh, it's going to blow
in the next couple of days.
321
00:19:28,875 --> 00:19:32,455
"Get the nets out now,
before we get swamped."
322
00:19:32,555 --> 00:19:34,135
So you're putting
these nets out.
323
00:19:34,235 --> 00:19:36,135
You've got to go
every so many hours
324
00:19:36,235 --> 00:19:37,935
because if you don't do that,
325
00:19:38,035 --> 00:19:41,056
your fish will be hitting
the nets, they will die quickly.
326
00:19:41,156 --> 00:19:43,216
The water temperature
is so high, they will go off.
327
00:19:43,316 --> 00:19:45,976
So, effectively,
every three or four hours,
328
00:19:46,076 --> 00:19:49,496
you've got to do another lap
of your nets, day and night.
329
00:19:49,596 --> 00:19:52,457
And at the same time, there
might be a croc sitting there,
330
00:19:52,557 --> 00:19:57,337
or wild pigs or a scrub bull,
all that sort of stuff.
331
00:19:57,437 --> 00:20:00,257
You just got to be quick and
watch your back, you know?
332
00:20:00,357 --> 00:20:02,257
'Cause there's lots of things
that want to get ya.
333
00:20:02,357 --> 00:20:05,378
So you're just racing
against the time, all the time.
334
00:20:05,478 --> 00:20:08,138
Racing the clock,
racing the tide.
335
00:20:08,238 --> 00:20:11,498
So, you know, you get that fish
out as fast as you can.
336
00:20:11,598 --> 00:20:14,898
I'd have times where I'd just
saw the fucking thing in half
337
00:20:14,998 --> 00:20:16,999
just to get it out.
338
00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:21,499
I don't know, man, it's, um...
339
00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:25,419
It's... it's... it's a nightmare
within a nightmare, you know?
340
00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:27,519
Yeah.
341
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,240
And, you know...
and Michael's living this, man.
342
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,900
Nothing lasts up there.
343
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,861
You're fighting it the
whole time. It's a battle.
344
00:20:41,961 --> 00:20:43,961
It's a constant battle.
345
00:20:46,921 --> 00:20:51,221
You cannot be that,
you know, that loving,
346
00:20:51,321 --> 00:20:54,502
kind of looking after nature
and all that stuff
347
00:20:54,602 --> 00:20:56,182
because it's going to kill you.
348
00:20:56,282 --> 00:20:57,342
Everything does.
349
00:20:57,442 --> 00:20:59,182
Those big sawfish, you know,
350
00:20:59,282 --> 00:21:02,142
like, these beautiful
giant gentle creatures,
351
00:21:02,242 --> 00:21:03,582
they couldn't give a shit.
352
00:21:03,682 --> 00:21:05,223
When that's swinging like that
353
00:21:05,323 --> 00:21:08,703
and, you know,
bang into something of you
354
00:21:08,803 --> 00:21:11,303
and that's a tropical ulcer
and you're fucked.
355
00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:13,703
You will not even risk that.
356
00:21:13,803 --> 00:21:17,064
You just, like, you know,
grab the snout how you can,
357
00:21:17,164 --> 00:21:19,424
I'm getting my knife
and I'd just cut it off,
358
00:21:19,524 --> 00:21:22,624
and then I'd just watch
this beautiful creature
359
00:21:22,724 --> 00:21:25,484
just sink to the bottom,
bleed to death.
360
00:21:34,205 --> 00:21:35,665
And I don't feel good
about that.
361
00:21:35,765 --> 00:21:38,665
I don't feel good
about that at all.
362
00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:40,185
I feel really bad about it now.
363
00:21:40,285 --> 00:21:42,346
And especially now
that they're fucking endangered,
364
00:21:42,446 --> 00:21:44,926
you know, like,
and we've killed so many.
365
00:21:54,007 --> 00:21:57,107
During monsoon high tide,
366
00:21:57,207 --> 00:22:01,247
that's where we find
all the nets full of dead fish.
367
00:22:02,087 --> 00:22:04,547
Those ones...
368
00:22:04,647 --> 00:22:09,708
Sometimes we bring them here,
we have to wash it, gerni it,
369
00:22:09,808 --> 00:22:12,468
get all the dead bones out,
370
00:22:12,568 --> 00:22:16,068
clean it, dry it.
371
00:22:16,168 --> 00:22:19,949
Then we create these ones
from ghost net.
372
00:22:20,049 --> 00:22:23,369
We call it ghost net
because of dead fishes.
373
00:22:27,449 --> 00:22:30,710
My days when I was a boy,
374
00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:35,470
we were plentiful
of sawfish, plentiful.
375
00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:38,870
Then I see nothing now.
376
00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:42,571
Then I'm thinking,
if sawfish is gone...
377
00:22:44,531 --> 00:22:47,291
part of our culture's gone.
378
00:22:50,451 --> 00:22:53,031
They're just doing
their fishing industry.
379
00:22:53,131 --> 00:22:58,012
But the land still belongs
to the traditional owners.
380
00:23:23,014 --> 00:23:24,434
As far as I know,
381
00:23:24,534 --> 00:23:28,314
and as far as I see,
living in the Gulf,
382
00:23:28,414 --> 00:23:32,275
is that a lot of our communities
is a bit of a gold mine
383
00:23:32,375 --> 00:23:33,875
for the outside people.
384
00:23:33,975 --> 00:23:36,155
And these sort of people,
they go,
385
00:23:36,255 --> 00:23:38,195
and then you get
another cowboy in.
386
00:23:38,295 --> 00:23:41,635
And so our Rangers are very
active to apprehend them
387
00:23:41,735 --> 00:23:43,996
and say to them, "So, look
buddy, what are you doing?"
388
00:23:44,096 --> 00:23:47,116
And soon as they find
a little cowboy,
389
00:23:47,216 --> 00:23:52,656
they report them and he's
being acted on by law.
390
00:24:06,817 --> 00:24:09,278
We were just so arrogant
as fishermen, you know.
391
00:24:09,378 --> 00:24:12,818
We were white. We didn't...
We... It was ours.
392
00:24:14,338 --> 00:24:19,839
We hadn't ever thought
to ask anybody's permission.
393
00:24:19,939 --> 00:24:26,459
It didn't come into any of our
silly bloody Australian minds.
394
00:24:31,860 --> 00:24:35,480
You have an industry
that's mostly unregulated.
395
00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:37,520
You know, you'll be there
a long time
396
00:24:37,620 --> 00:24:40,400
before you'd see a fishing
inspector in the Gulf.
397
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:42,080
You know?
398
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:44,521
And to be honest,
399
00:24:44,621 --> 00:24:47,281
er, I don't know how comfortable
some of them are,
400
00:24:47,381 --> 00:24:48,801
going into those areas.
401
00:24:48,901 --> 00:24:51,601
I mean, they're very
remote areas.
402
00:24:51,701 --> 00:24:53,781
On your own, definitely not.
403
00:24:56,462 --> 00:24:59,222
We just tell 'em that they're
not allowed to fish there.
404
00:25:02,782 --> 00:25:05,242
But it means
some of these fishing people,
405
00:25:05,342 --> 00:25:08,723
some of these fishing families,
are dangerous?
406
00:25:08,823 --> 00:25:12,323
Oh, yeah.
Especially the Gaters. Yeah.
407
00:25:12,423 --> 00:25:15,663
Yeah, don't want to fish
close to them, yeah.
408
00:25:17,063 --> 00:25:19,724
Well, they've been on the rivers
409
00:25:19,824 --> 00:25:23,964
for nearly five
or six decades now, you know.
410
00:25:24,064 --> 00:25:27,104
They've been
polluting all the river.
411
00:25:28,544 --> 00:25:30,244
And I don't know why
412
00:25:30,344 --> 00:25:33,445
they gave them back
their licence, you know.
413
00:25:33,545 --> 00:25:36,325
'Cause, one time,
414
00:25:36,425 --> 00:25:41,645
they got - first day of
the barra season opening -
415
00:25:41,745 --> 00:25:45,966
they got 40 tonne of barra.
416
00:25:46,066 --> 00:25:49,646
And you wouldn't get
40 tonne in a day.
417
00:25:49,746 --> 00:25:51,366
Which means they were fishing
418
00:25:51,466 --> 00:25:55,526
when the barra season
was closed.
419
00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:59,147
Netting during
this closed season.
420
00:26:05,707 --> 00:26:08,087
We have
no respect for them.
421
00:26:08,187 --> 00:26:10,088
And we'll continue
to shut them out
422
00:26:10,188 --> 00:26:13,408
with the support
of the Fisheries.
423
00:26:13,508 --> 00:26:15,368
Those type of blokes,
424
00:26:15,468 --> 00:26:17,048
we don't hang around too long.
425
00:26:17,148 --> 00:26:19,888
We're in, we deal
with them and we're out.
426
00:26:19,988 --> 00:26:22,049
There's other blokes
that, you can go in,
427
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:23,809
they take it,
they cop it on the chin,
428
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:25,689
they know they've done
the wrong thing.
429
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:28,489
But this is a different breed.
430
00:26:28,589 --> 00:26:32,369
Totally different breed.
You don't hang around this mob.
431
00:26:32,469 --> 00:26:34,650
To us, they are very
dangerous people
432
00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,290
because they have the attitude
433
00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:39,530
and the habit
of pulling out guns.
434
00:26:39,630 --> 00:26:41,490
Everybody's got guns.
435
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:44,250
All right, let's get that--
Everybody's got guns.
436
00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:46,171
You're working in an environment
437
00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:49,171
where everything
wants to kill you.
438
00:26:49,271 --> 00:26:51,411
Once you go in,
and a fisherman sees ya,
439
00:26:51,511 --> 00:26:53,091
they're on the blower.
440
00:26:53,191 --> 00:26:56,932
Whether they like them
or not. It's the code.
441
00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:59,812
"Fisher! Fishos are here.
Customs are around.
442
00:26:59,912 --> 00:27:01,972
"Coppers are around.
Immigration's around."
443
00:27:02,072 --> 00:27:04,572
Whoever it is, it's the code.
They'll call each other.
444
00:27:04,672 --> 00:27:08,532
So you go and you do as much
as you can while you can,
445
00:27:08,632 --> 00:27:10,653
until you get to the last boat
446
00:27:10,753 --> 00:27:12,753
and he says,
"I've been waiting for ya."
447
00:27:28,114 --> 00:27:31,354
Yeah, he loved that,
that fishing life.
448
00:27:34,035 --> 00:27:35,175
I couldn't
understand it.
449
00:27:35,275 --> 00:27:36,895
He always wanted us
to come and visit,
450
00:27:36,995 --> 00:27:38,575
but I just thought,
"Oh, my God,
451
00:27:38,675 --> 00:27:40,715
"I couldn't
live on a boat."
452
00:27:41,755 --> 00:27:43,855
Because we were
surprised that
453
00:27:43,955 --> 00:27:46,656
he was going
into that lifestyle,
454
00:27:46,756 --> 00:27:48,756
the fisherman lifestyle.
455
00:27:50,436 --> 00:27:56,016
But he was such a worker
that he made it profitable.
456
00:27:56,116 --> 00:28:02,757
And this is a photo
of me and Bevin and Glen.
457
00:28:04,797 --> 00:28:07,317
Bevin was six years younger
than I was.
458
00:28:08,757 --> 00:28:11,798
And Glen and I were
only 14 months apart.
459
00:28:13,678 --> 00:28:17,178
It's another photo of Bevin
and my two kids,
460
00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:19,018
Jolene and Luke.
461
00:28:19,118 --> 00:28:22,479
He was always cuddling the kids
just before he had his own.
462
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:28,319
All he wanted was a family.
463
00:28:32,439 --> 00:28:35,960
I think the first year
was probably happy.
464
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,220
But, um, when the kids
came along...
465
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,721
he got to maybe show
his domineering side.
466
00:28:50,561 --> 00:28:53,301
He was an
arrogant bugger at times.
467
00:28:53,401 --> 00:28:54,901
We didn't get along overly
468
00:28:55,001 --> 00:28:56,901
in the last couple of years
that he was there.
469
00:28:57,001 --> 00:29:01,442
But it was like the more money
we made, the more he needed.
470
00:29:03,682 --> 00:29:05,342
And then we bought
the El Dorado,
471
00:29:05,442 --> 00:29:07,862
and he wanted to turn it
into a shark boat.
472
00:29:07,962 --> 00:29:11,103
And I didn't want to be out
every day, every night,
473
00:29:11,203 --> 00:29:13,143
out in the ocean with the kids.
474
00:29:13,243 --> 00:29:15,583
It's just, like, I said to him,
"We bought a barra boat,
475
00:29:15,683 --> 00:29:17,943
"I want to be a barra fisherman,
not a shark fisherman."
476
00:29:18,043 --> 00:29:21,263
But he wanted
the big money in a hurry.
477
00:29:21,363 --> 00:29:23,064
Because with shark
and mackerel,
478
00:29:23,164 --> 00:29:26,784
you can make, like, 180 grand
in four weeks, easy.
479
00:29:26,884 --> 00:29:29,044
And that's what he wanted.
480
00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:42,945
He was a very
motivated person.
481
00:29:43,045 --> 00:29:45,185
You know, he wanted
a home for his kids.
482
00:29:45,285 --> 00:29:46,625
He wanted to set his kids up.
483
00:29:46,725 --> 00:29:48,586
You know, to him
he had three kids
484
00:29:48,686 --> 00:29:50,146
so then he had three properties
485
00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:54,266
and he was going to
have something for them.
486
00:29:54,366 --> 00:29:57,226
If Bevin was sitting here
having a conversation with you,
487
00:29:57,326 --> 00:29:59,186
there is no doubt in my mind
488
00:29:59,286 --> 00:30:01,707
that there would be
a kid hanging here,
489
00:30:01,807 --> 00:30:04,787
kid hanging off his...
you know, one sitting here.
490
00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:08,167
They were just... they wanted to
be in his presence all the time.
491
00:30:11,167 --> 00:30:15,548
He was just very loving,
especially towards her.
492
00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:22,928
I think Cathy knows a lot more
than what she has told us.
493
00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:41,270
Bevin and I
made a connection
494
00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:44,510
'cause he was on the outer.
495
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:47,430
I was a new kid on the block,
I was on the outer.
496
00:30:47,530 --> 00:30:50,551
So there was a lot of good
reason for us to develop
497
00:30:50,651 --> 00:30:54,111
a good friendship
and an honest mateship.
498
00:30:54,211 --> 00:30:57,791
And he loved
coming down to us because
499
00:30:57,891 --> 00:31:03,992
it was an escape for him,
from the family clan stuff,
500
00:31:04,092 --> 00:31:08,232
because he was
never full--
501
00:31:08,332 --> 00:31:11,432
I don't believe he was
ever fully accepted.
502
00:31:11,532 --> 00:31:16,593
And, you know, they would
say things about Bevin.
503
00:31:16,693 --> 00:31:18,593
And then when
I got to know Bevin,
504
00:31:18,693 --> 00:31:20,073
they certainly weren't true,
505
00:31:20,173 --> 00:31:23,033
but I think they
never forgave him
506
00:31:23,133 --> 00:31:25,474
for getting their little girl
Cathy, pregnant,
507
00:31:25,574 --> 00:31:28,214
when she was 16
or whenever.
508
00:31:28,894 --> 00:31:30,074
Um...
509
00:31:30,174 --> 00:31:32,754
And I think they never
forgave him for that,
510
00:31:32,854 --> 00:31:36,154
and he was never quite in the
fold, if you get what I mean.
511
00:31:36,254 --> 00:31:38,655
He was sort of always
on the outer a little bit.
512
00:31:40,375 --> 00:31:42,515
Apparently
there was a bit of animosity
513
00:31:42,615 --> 00:31:44,995
between Bevin and Michael
over the shark fishing thing,
514
00:31:45,095 --> 00:31:47,475
of Michael saying,
"Well, I want to fish the sharks
515
00:31:47,575 --> 00:31:49,436
"out the front of Pormpuraaw,
so you can't."
516
00:31:49,536 --> 00:31:52,336
And him going, "Well, I'm gonna,
whether you like it or not."
517
00:31:54,456 --> 00:31:56,236
There's nothing worse
than a fisherman
518
00:31:56,336 --> 00:31:58,716
that blowflies other fishermen
and follows 'em around.
519
00:31:58,816 --> 00:32:02,497
You're not a fisherman at all.
You're just a blowfly.
520
00:32:05,337 --> 00:32:08,277
At the end
of the first season,
521
00:32:08,377 --> 00:32:10,117
Bevin came to me
522
00:32:10,217 --> 00:32:12,517
because we were getting
ready to travel with them.
523
00:32:12,617 --> 00:32:14,318
They invited us
to come down to Karumba
524
00:32:14,418 --> 00:32:15,878
and travel down
there with them,
525
00:32:15,978 --> 00:32:19,278
and go to the fishermen's
annual meeting there.
526
00:32:19,378 --> 00:32:21,878
And that's when Bevin said,
"Look out, Rod,
527
00:32:21,978 --> 00:32:25,038
"the Gater family
are moving down this way.
528
00:32:25,138 --> 00:32:26,999
"They've got lots of licences.
529
00:32:27,099 --> 00:32:32,559
"They will do whatever
to catch fish and block you out.
530
00:32:32,659 --> 00:32:36,219
"And they're coming this way,
Rod. Watch your back."
531
00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:48,720
And David Ward was a very smart,
532
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:52,881
sort of streetwise type person.
533
00:32:52,981 --> 00:32:56,721
And I have
a high respect for David.
534
00:32:56,821 --> 00:33:01,161
He tried to be as diplomatic
and friendly as possible
535
00:33:01,261 --> 00:33:02,642
at the time,
536
00:33:02,742 --> 00:33:09,102
because he didn't want to
engage with them in a war.
537
00:33:19,983 --> 00:33:22,323
He's got blue,
the bluest of--
538
00:33:22,423 --> 00:33:24,403
Michael, the bluest
of blue eyes.
539
00:33:24,503 --> 00:33:27,244
He looks at ya, he doesn't look,
he doesn't see ya,
540
00:33:27,344 --> 00:33:29,764
he just looks
straight through ya.
541
00:33:29,864 --> 00:33:32,604
It's just... just weird,
strange look.
542
00:33:32,704 --> 00:33:35,204
You think he's looking at you
but you can just feel the eyes
543
00:33:35,304 --> 00:33:38,525
going through your head
out to the back.
544
00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:40,245
He's as fit as a mallee bull,
545
00:33:40,345 --> 00:33:42,505
you wouldn't want to
take him on.
546
00:33:47,785 --> 00:33:50,286
So, I'm getting
a bit concerned
547
00:33:50,386 --> 00:33:52,986
and I was told
they're heading my way.
548
00:33:54,346 --> 00:33:59,046
But they were looking
for their own patch...
549
00:33:59,146 --> 00:34:03,607
and they were prepared
to do whatever to get it.
550
00:34:03,707 --> 00:34:06,847
You can grow up
being afraid of the bogeyman,
551
00:34:06,947 --> 00:34:10,087
and that's what they've been,
my whole life.
552
00:34:10,187 --> 00:34:12,167
They're just there.
They're in your dreams.
553
00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:13,847
They're in your nightmares.
554
00:34:13,947 --> 00:34:16,088
Every single day
for the last 17 years,
555
00:34:16,188 --> 00:34:18,568
that's all I've thought about.
556
00:34:18,668 --> 00:34:24,328
But, one day, everything's
going to come back to them.
557
00:34:24,428 --> 00:34:26,568
And then, one day,
they're going to work out
558
00:34:26,668 --> 00:34:28,709
how it felt to be us.
559
00:34:53,631 --> 00:34:55,571
Dad said
that I had to stay home,
560
00:34:55,671 --> 00:34:58,891
so Brad went
and, yeah, that was it.
561
00:34:58,991 --> 00:35:01,091
And Dad, he went to the nets
happy that day.
562
00:35:01,191 --> 00:35:03,192
He was...
563
00:35:05,072 --> 00:35:06,612
He was happy.
564
00:35:06,712 --> 00:35:08,652
But, oh...
565
00:35:08,752 --> 00:35:11,132
It should have been me
that went with my dad,
566
00:35:11,232 --> 00:35:13,972
because I was always there.
567
00:35:14,072 --> 00:35:16,733
Brad never went with Dad,
like, not to the shark pen.
568
00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:19,513
And the one day I didn't go...
569
00:35:21,113 --> 00:35:23,993
and I just regret that
every day.
570
00:35:28,194 --> 00:35:31,354
My little brother was
such a happy person.
571
00:35:33,194 --> 00:35:34,894
And...
572
00:35:37,274 --> 00:35:39,214
He was just happy.
He was always happy.
573
00:35:39,314 --> 00:35:40,735
He'd go fishing.
574
00:35:40,835 --> 00:35:42,815
He was...
he was an adventure.
575
00:35:42,915 --> 00:35:44,335
He... he just...
576
00:35:44,435 --> 00:35:47,795
He was... had a love of life.
577
00:35:48,315 --> 00:35:50,415
And...
578
00:35:50,515 --> 00:35:53,156
in five minutes
it was all gone.
579
00:35:57,476 --> 00:36:03,516
We were so left in the dark
with the whole scenario.
580
00:36:04,957 --> 00:36:08,177
Until I got the phone call, um...
581
00:36:08,277 --> 00:36:10,537
the day after
he went missing,
582
00:36:10,637 --> 00:36:13,177
at six o'clock in the morning
when Cathy rang me and said,
583
00:36:13,277 --> 00:36:15,017
"Bevin and Brad are missing."
584
00:36:15,117 --> 00:36:16,898
And I said,
"What do you mean, missing?"
585
00:36:16,998 --> 00:36:19,978
She said, "Well, they went
to check the nets yesterday,
586
00:36:20,078 --> 00:36:22,058
"and they never came back."
587
00:36:22,158 --> 00:36:24,538
And I said, "And
you're telling us this now?"
588
00:36:24,638 --> 00:36:25,858
She said, "Well, yeah,
589
00:36:25,958 --> 00:36:28,539
"we've been out
looking for 'em all night."
590
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,099
And I said, "Oh!"
591
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,659
She said, "So you'll have to
tell your mother."
592
00:36:32,759 --> 00:36:36,339
And that was pretty much
the end of the phone call.
593
00:36:36,439 --> 00:36:39,579
And we told Mum
and she just...
594
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,180
Poor Mum, she just... Yeah.
595
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,020
'Cause Bevin was the baby.
596
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,460
You know, we always said
he was the favourite
597
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,920
'cause he was, you know,
the baby of the family.
598
00:37:14,722 --> 00:37:17,903
I think there was, like,
a dozen or 20 aeroplanes.
599
00:37:18,003 --> 00:37:21,183
Volunteer Rescue, Marine
Rescue from Burketown,
600
00:37:21,283 --> 00:37:25,623
Karumba, Weipa, the Water
Police from Thursday Island.
601
00:37:25,723 --> 00:37:29,544
Everyone congregated
into what turned out to be
602
00:37:29,644 --> 00:37:31,824
a massive, big search area
603
00:37:31,924 --> 00:37:35,104
of over a thousand miles
of surface--
604
00:37:35,204 --> 00:37:38,664
You know, one of the
biggest searches I'd seen.
605
00:37:38,764 --> 00:37:43,025
I'm guessing there was...
there was over 10 boats,
606
00:37:43,125 --> 00:37:47,265
it's got to be closer to 20,
that were out there doing it.
607
00:37:47,365 --> 00:37:50,825
By then, we sort of knew
that Bevin had had his nets
608
00:37:50,925 --> 00:37:55,746
set out off the Coleman River
quite some ways.
609
00:37:55,846 --> 00:37:57,826
You know, I just thought
it was a matter of time.
610
00:37:57,926 --> 00:37:59,626
I was surprised
611
00:37:59,726 --> 00:38:02,906
by sunset that first day,
612
00:38:03,006 --> 00:38:04,786
that we hadn't found them.
613
00:38:04,886 --> 00:38:07,587
Because if they had
broken down,
614
00:38:07,687 --> 00:38:10,227
the currents are
only two, three knots.
615
00:38:10,327 --> 00:38:12,627
So, break down, here's the nets.
616
00:38:12,727 --> 00:38:15,787
Righto, okay,
went missing 10 hours ago.
617
00:38:15,887 --> 00:38:19,468
They're going to be
within 30 miles at most.
618
00:38:19,568 --> 00:38:22,428
You know, we know tides,
we know currents,
619
00:38:22,528 --> 00:38:25,388
we know tinnies,
we know the ocean.
620
00:38:25,488 --> 00:38:27,428
And we're all talking
on the radio,
621
00:38:27,528 --> 00:38:30,449
all the different
search vessels.
622
00:38:31,969 --> 00:38:35,309
I had my big spotlights
on the top of the roof
623
00:38:35,409 --> 00:38:37,749
of the boat,
which I turned to one side.
624
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:42,710
So as I was idling along, it was
just lighting up the beach.
625
00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:44,750
As we got past the Mungkan,
626
00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:47,630
which is a creek
just north of Pormpuraaw,
627
00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:49,550
we saw a fire on the beach.
628
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:52,030
And we go, "Here they are."
And we're spotlighting it.
629
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:55,151
It turned out to be a group
of local Indigenous community
630
00:38:55,251 --> 00:38:56,511
camped down there.
631
00:38:56,611 --> 00:38:58,231
It was like, "Oh," you know.
632
00:38:58,331 --> 00:39:00,471
You go from this level
down to that level.
633
00:39:00,571 --> 00:39:02,951
So, yeah, we're getting more
and more worried by that time,
634
00:39:03,051 --> 00:39:05,211
'cause that's where
I thought they'd be.
635
00:39:06,492 --> 00:39:08,032
So this was becoming,
636
00:39:08,132 --> 00:39:10,032
you know, like,
how could this really happen?
637
00:39:10,132 --> 00:39:12,032
How can you just,
really, that close in,
638
00:39:12,132 --> 00:39:14,792
just disappear,
in reasonably good weather?
639
00:39:14,892 --> 00:39:17,112
And then we'd well
and truly covered that area.
640
00:39:17,212 --> 00:39:19,193
I had my charts out
and everyone's calling in
641
00:39:19,293 --> 00:39:21,073
latitudes and longitudes
as they're going.
642
00:39:21,173 --> 00:39:23,453
I had my charts out
and went, "That's covered.
643
00:39:24,973 --> 00:39:27,273
"Let's work our way back north
towards our camp
644
00:39:27,373 --> 00:39:29,713
"in case something's happened
and they've gone that way."
645
00:39:29,813 --> 00:39:33,474
So I then did a grid pattern
all the way back.
646
00:39:33,574 --> 00:39:37,094
Yeah, you're thinking
of all possible scenarios.
647
00:39:38,574 --> 00:39:43,075
And next thing, a dinghy
comes flying up to us.
648
00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:44,635
In that dinghy,
649
00:39:44,735 --> 00:39:48,515
it's Michael Gater,
Cathy Simmonds.
650
00:39:48,615 --> 00:39:50,475
And they pulled up
alongside the boat.
651
00:39:50,575 --> 00:39:52,315
I gave Cathy a big hug
and said, "Don't worry.
652
00:39:52,415 --> 00:39:54,635
"There's that many boats
coming, everyone's coming."
653
00:39:54,735 --> 00:39:56,516
I'd been speaking
to other fishermen
654
00:39:56,616 --> 00:39:57,796
that were heading that way.
655
00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,596
"We'll find them,
we'll find them.
656
00:39:59,696 --> 00:40:01,436
"I'm going to keep working
my way down here
657
00:40:01,536 --> 00:40:03,356
"and then we're going to
head out and join the search."
658
00:40:03,456 --> 00:40:05,476
She said, "No, Michael and I
have just been
659
00:40:05,576 --> 00:40:07,197
"along all that area.
660
00:40:07,297 --> 00:40:10,417
"You don't have to do there.
Go out and join the grid here."
661
00:40:12,057 --> 00:40:14,837
And it was like
they didn't want us looking
662
00:40:14,937 --> 00:40:18,557
down along that area.
663
00:40:18,657 --> 00:40:22,518
And it seemed funny, as like...
Bevin and Brad are missing.
664
00:40:22,618 --> 00:40:24,478
Why are they...
what are those two doing
665
00:40:24,578 --> 00:40:27,098
roaring around
in a dinghy together?
666
00:40:33,499 --> 00:40:35,599
Around the
5th of June 2003,
667
00:40:35,699 --> 00:40:37,739
I was working in the CIB.
668
00:40:39,139 --> 00:40:40,439
Here in Cairns.
669
00:40:40,539 --> 00:40:46,080
And basically I was advised
of the disappearance
670
00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:48,900
of Bevin and Brad Simmonds.
671
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:55,000
My role is purely from
an investigative perspective.
672
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:59,281
Is this situation
a kosher disappearance
673
00:40:59,381 --> 00:41:02,261
or is there a potential
for third party involvement?
674
00:41:08,622 --> 00:41:10,882
I said to Glen, "We got to
go looking for him."
675
00:41:10,982 --> 00:41:15,242
And Glen said,
"What are we going to do?"
676
00:41:15,342 --> 00:41:18,362
I said, "Well, if this
was us missing,
677
00:41:18,462 --> 00:41:21,403
"Bevin would come
looking for us."
678
00:41:21,503 --> 00:41:24,483
So my boss organised
a small plane.
679
00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:26,963
And, um...
680
00:41:27,063 --> 00:41:30,043
Anyway, we got to Edward River,
681
00:41:30,143 --> 00:41:33,084
Pormpuraaw as it's called now.
682
00:41:33,184 --> 00:41:35,564
And we stayed there for ages,
683
00:41:35,664 --> 00:41:38,604
waiting for someone to
pick us up - we didn't know who.
684
00:41:38,704 --> 00:41:41,764
And, anyway, Cathy ended up
coming to pick us up,
685
00:41:41,864 --> 00:41:43,864
and Michael.
686
00:41:45,705 --> 00:41:48,965
You know, Cathy...
she didn't want to talk to us.
687
00:41:49,065 --> 00:41:53,125
Like, "What are youse doing
here? Why did youse come?"
688
00:41:53,225 --> 00:41:57,566
She was uneasy about us
being there. Definitely.
689
00:41:57,666 --> 00:42:00,406
You know, I started hearing,
I suppose,
690
00:42:00,506 --> 00:42:02,626
a bit of wharf gossip.
691
00:42:04,866 --> 00:42:06,406
What you have to appreciate
692
00:42:06,506 --> 00:42:08,286
is about the fishing industry
in the Gulf.
693
00:42:08,386 --> 00:42:12,827
They're the greatest bunch
of rumour-mongers in the world.
694
00:42:14,827 --> 00:42:19,807
The story was that, um,
Michael was, um...
695
00:42:19,907 --> 00:42:24,008
having it off
with the fella's wife.
696
00:42:24,108 --> 00:42:27,728
Cathy, and, in fact, pretty much
the entire witness group
697
00:42:27,828 --> 00:42:30,248
concealed the fact that there
was an active relationship
698
00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:32,008
and an overt relationship
699
00:42:32,108 --> 00:42:35,289
between Cathy Simmonds
and Michael Gater.
700
00:42:35,389 --> 00:42:38,049
Yeah, for me, it's not
a matter of public interest.
701
00:42:38,149 --> 00:42:42,529
You know, we all keep
our secrets, good, bad, ugly,
702
00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:44,329
close to my heart.
703
00:42:44,429 --> 00:42:50,970
So, you know, whether Cathy had
slept with Michael Gater or not,
704
00:42:51,070 --> 00:42:55,270
really, it's none
of my business.
705
00:43:06,151 --> 00:43:08,971
A person who conceals
the fact of a relationship
706
00:43:09,071 --> 00:43:12,032
in that circumstance,
you wonder why.
707
00:43:15,752 --> 00:43:18,172
You're thinking,
"Well, that can't be, you know.
708
00:43:18,272 --> 00:43:19,812
"This can't possibly happen.
709
00:43:19,912 --> 00:43:21,653
"You can't, this can't--
No, no, no.
710
00:43:21,753 --> 00:43:23,653
"There'll be another
explanation for this
711
00:43:23,753 --> 00:43:25,753
"and we'll look again tomorrow."
712
00:43:32,113 --> 00:43:34,374
At the centre
of it all, Catherine Simmonds,
713
00:43:34,474 --> 00:43:36,934
wife of Bevin,
mother of 10-year-old Brad
714
00:43:37,034 --> 00:43:40,294
and one time lover
of Michael Gater.
715
00:43:40,394 --> 00:43:42,214
Things apparently turned sour
716
00:43:42,314 --> 00:43:44,474
when she said there
was no future for them.
717
00:43:45,714 --> 00:43:47,335
Oh, look,
Cathy was obviously...
718
00:43:47,435 --> 00:43:50,095
had a child missing at sea
and her husband.
719
00:43:50,195 --> 00:43:53,855
And originally
on the face of it
720
00:43:53,955 --> 00:43:56,575
you found Cathy
an honest witness.
721
00:43:56,675 --> 00:44:00,096
But, um, it was
like pulling teeth.
722
00:44:00,196 --> 00:44:03,356
But eventually we got
the information from her.
723
00:44:05,116 --> 00:44:06,776
After I realised
something was...
724
00:44:06,876 --> 00:44:09,136
something bad had happened,
or they were missing,
725
00:44:09,236 --> 00:44:10,537
I rang Mum.
726
00:44:10,637 --> 00:44:12,617
Mum ended up
getting onto the police.
727
00:44:12,717 --> 00:44:14,177
And then, um,
728
00:44:14,277 --> 00:44:16,737
I went over,
I was talking to Michael Gater
729
00:44:16,837 --> 00:44:20,737
and he jumped in
and he come searching as well.
730
00:44:20,837 --> 00:44:24,258
Because I had a bit of
an affair with Michael and...
731
00:44:24,358 --> 00:44:26,378
And so how long
had that fling been going?
732
00:44:26,478 --> 00:44:30,958
Oh, only a week maybe.
Yeah. Five days. Yeah.
733
00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:37,619
And, frankly,
it was overt, you know.
734
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,259
This was known through
the entire community, you know.
735
00:44:40,359 --> 00:44:44,259
So, concealment was nonsensical
736
00:44:44,359 --> 00:44:47,160
and concealment was suspicious.
737
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:52,260
Clearly.
738
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,380
And that's why she never
wanted me around, always,
739
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,521
because she knew that
I would see what she was up to.
740
00:45:04,041 --> 00:45:08,381
Subsequently,
we learned of a rumour
741
00:45:08,481 --> 00:45:13,982
of actual physical dispute
between Bevin and Michael,
742
00:45:14,082 --> 00:45:17,182
down in Karumba,
some months before.
743
00:45:17,282 --> 00:45:19,742
I dunno what...
how they got into the blue,
744
00:45:19,842 --> 00:45:21,942
but I think Michael
had Bevin down on the ground
745
00:45:22,042 --> 00:45:25,063
with his legs on his neck
or something, yeah.
746
00:45:25,163 --> 00:45:28,903
And then we left Bevin there
'cause he was really drunk.
747
00:45:29,003 --> 00:45:31,063
And we went out, 'cause we had
a place in Karumba,
748
00:45:31,163 --> 00:45:33,223
so we went and stayed
there for the night -
749
00:45:33,323 --> 00:45:36,084
the kids and I, and Michael.
750
00:45:42,204 --> 00:45:44,544
You know, this relationship
was overtly occurring
751
00:45:44,644 --> 00:45:46,184
on the El Dorado,
752
00:45:46,284 --> 00:45:51,025
while, you know,
her husband was away.
753
00:45:51,125 --> 00:45:53,665
We were in a different territory
when we're dealing with
754
00:45:53,765 --> 00:45:56,385
the potential murder of a child.
755
00:45:56,485 --> 00:45:58,265
Something as serious as this,
756
00:45:58,365 --> 00:46:01,666
you bring in the heavy
artillery, you know,
757
00:46:01,766 --> 00:46:03,886
and we brought in
the heavy artillery.
758
00:46:05,126 --> 00:46:06,866
We were joined
later by...
759
00:46:06,966 --> 00:46:10,146
I think they came from
Maritime Safety Queensland.
760
00:46:10,246 --> 00:46:12,507
Two guys that
the police had requested
761
00:46:12,607 --> 00:46:14,307
come down with a sonar.
762
00:46:14,407 --> 00:46:16,947
And they set up
on board our vessel
763
00:46:17,047 --> 00:46:20,227
with a machine
that would read the soundings.
764
00:46:20,327 --> 00:46:22,107
And we towed that torpedo
765
00:46:22,207 --> 00:46:26,428
around rivers and creeks
and offshore,
766
00:46:26,528 --> 00:46:29,968
extensively over
the next days and days.
767
00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:37,789
They don't do that when
people go missing at sea.
768
00:46:37,889 --> 00:46:39,749
They don't turn up with a sonar
769
00:46:39,849 --> 00:46:41,949
because we are looking for
somebody in the ocean.
770
00:46:42,049 --> 00:46:44,469
Never! 25 years, no one's ever
turned up with a sonar
771
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:46,309
and asked me to drag it
around the ocean
772
00:46:46,409 --> 00:46:48,650
looking for the people
that drowned.
773
00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:53,670
So then you get
a chill down your back
774
00:46:53,770 --> 00:46:55,870
and you get a bad feeling
that, you know,
775
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:58,570
this could be a double homicide.
776
00:47:04,811 --> 00:47:06,191
I couldn't believe it.
777
00:47:06,291 --> 00:47:08,511
I don't think anyone
could believe it.
778
00:47:08,611 --> 00:47:11,031
You know, you didn't know
what to believe,
779
00:47:11,131 --> 00:47:13,132
what was true, and...
780
00:47:17,012 --> 00:47:19,152
And I know when
we were there,
781
00:47:19,252 --> 00:47:22,552
the beach is as clear as.
782
00:47:22,652 --> 00:47:24,993
The ocean was like glass.
783
00:47:25,093 --> 00:47:29,073
You could see for miles,
absolute miles.
784
00:47:29,173 --> 00:47:31,833
And I remember standing
on the beach, thinking,
785
00:47:31,933 --> 00:47:34,713
"How can we not find anything?"
786
00:47:34,813 --> 00:47:36,473
You know, not anything.
787
00:47:36,573 --> 00:47:38,994
Because Bevin and Brad
were supposed to be both
788
00:47:39,094 --> 00:47:42,434
in the orange overalls,
789
00:47:42,534 --> 00:47:45,834
and they would've had a net
and bits and pieces in the boat.
790
00:47:45,934 --> 00:47:50,955
But not one ounce
of debris at all.
791
00:47:51,055 --> 00:47:52,835
Nothing.
792
00:47:52,935 --> 00:47:56,495
And that's the type of boat
that Bevin was in.
793
00:47:57,535 --> 00:48:00,996
That's Beth Ward and Brad.
794
00:48:01,096 --> 00:48:04,836
So it's a big dinghy,
for that to vanish.
795
00:48:04,936 --> 00:48:08,396
Like, somebody knows
where it went.
796
00:48:08,496 --> 00:48:11,956
You know, all that stuff
just doesn't disappear.
797
00:48:14,297 --> 00:48:17,517
You get a teaspoon of oil
798
00:48:17,617 --> 00:48:19,317
and pour it on water,
799
00:48:19,417 --> 00:48:22,437
you'll see a rainbowy shimmer
800
00:48:22,537 --> 00:48:24,537
for a long way.
801
00:48:26,018 --> 00:48:27,638
An outboard motor,
802
00:48:27,738 --> 00:48:30,158
well, firstly, it's two stroke,
so it's got oil in the fuel.
803
00:48:30,258 --> 00:48:32,758
So if it would've sunk,
that fuel would've floated
804
00:48:32,858 --> 00:48:34,318
with a shimmer of oil.
805
00:48:34,418 --> 00:48:37,579
Would've been spotted
by a plane, if nothing else.
806
00:48:39,419 --> 00:48:42,519
There was lots of things that
could float out of that boat.
807
00:48:42,619 --> 00:48:46,279
Our specialised barra net hooks,
they usually had floats on,
808
00:48:46,379 --> 00:48:48,479
so if you dropped 'em over
the side, you could lean over
809
00:48:48,579 --> 00:48:51,400
and grab 'em before
a crocodile did.
810
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,920
You know, when a boat goes down,
things turn up.
811
00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:57,880
Nothing was found.
812
00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:00,840
And that's
the extraordinary thing.
813
00:49:00,940 --> 00:49:02,001
Not just extraordinary,
814
00:49:02,101 --> 00:49:04,341
but extraordinary
piled on extraordinary.
815
00:49:07,141 --> 00:49:10,361
We were in the field
for 50 days.
816
00:49:10,461 --> 00:49:14,482
You know, this investigation
really commenced
817
00:49:14,582 --> 00:49:17,562
on the 6th, 7th of June
818
00:49:17,662 --> 00:49:20,982
and ran through to May
of the following year.
819
00:49:23,182 --> 00:49:25,922
So what we've got
is Joan and Michael Gater
820
00:49:26,022 --> 00:49:29,523
within five kilometres
of the offshore net,
821
00:49:29,623 --> 00:49:34,523
at the same time that
Bevin and Brad are at that net.
822
00:49:34,623 --> 00:49:37,923
And there was nobody else.
823
00:49:38,023 --> 00:49:43,664
There was nobody else.
You know, it is isolated.
824
00:49:45,144 --> 00:49:48,524
Half a net
had been cleared of fish.
825
00:49:48,624 --> 00:49:50,365
And then an event occurs,
826
00:49:50,465 --> 00:49:52,865
which they stopped
clearing the net.
827
00:49:54,505 --> 00:49:57,725
So, bottom line is
Michael and Joan arrive
828
00:49:57,825 --> 00:50:01,165
somewhere... 9:30, 10:00.
829
00:50:01,265 --> 00:50:06,086
So, they're unaccounted
for four hours.
830
00:50:06,186 --> 00:50:10,766
Michael attributes the delay
to vehicle breakdowns.
831
00:50:10,866 --> 00:50:14,246
And I think I said
to the crew that - [exhales] -
832
00:50:14,346 --> 00:50:17,267
"If he's lying,
he's a good liar."
833
00:50:18,067 --> 00:50:20,967
"He's a good liar."
834
00:50:21,067 --> 00:50:25,807
Now, upon arrival,
they then swap boats.
835
00:50:25,907 --> 00:50:28,808
So why that is relevant
is because the vessel
836
00:50:28,908 --> 00:50:31,728
that they used on that morning
goes missing,
837
00:50:31,828 --> 00:50:37,448
and is, some weeks later,
found secreted and sunk.
838
00:50:37,548 --> 00:50:39,129
The motivation
was attributed to
839
00:50:39,229 --> 00:50:41,769
the fact that the vessel
had been "stolen"
840
00:50:41,869 --> 00:50:45,749
and it was necessary
to conceal this from the police.
841
00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:48,609
Um, stories...
842
00:50:48,709 --> 00:50:51,370
Stories are
they'd take it up a creek
843
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:54,050
or up a river somewhere,
anchor it up,
844
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:56,530
go around the back,
take the motor off,
845
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:58,330
put the motor in the bush,
846
00:50:58,430 --> 00:51:00,690
undo the bungs
on the back of the boat,
847
00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:02,250
and it would just slowly
848
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:04,571
sink in situ in the river.
849
00:51:04,671 --> 00:51:07,691
They know where it is,
no one else does.
850
00:51:07,791 --> 00:51:14,451
Certainly this family has been
associated with suspicion
851
00:51:14,551 --> 00:51:17,192
for many, many years
about things like that.
852
00:51:17,992 --> 00:51:20,492
And Michael...
853
00:51:20,592 --> 00:51:23,092
obviously intelligent.
854
00:51:23,192 --> 00:51:25,292
Simply the fact is
855
00:51:25,392 --> 00:51:27,292
that we would never have
laid a glove on him
856
00:51:27,392 --> 00:51:28,933
if he was by himself.
857
00:51:29,033 --> 00:51:33,333
It was only separately when
Joan's statement was obtained
858
00:51:33,433 --> 00:51:37,253
and his mother couldn't
keep the story together.
859
00:51:37,353 --> 00:51:39,553
So it was that...
860
00:51:41,314 --> 00:51:45,834
which turned the smoke
into a fire.
861
00:51:47,674 --> 00:51:48,734
From that point in time,
862
00:51:48,834 --> 00:51:50,814
we have to treat these people
as suspects.
863
00:51:50,914 --> 00:51:53,235
The game is formally on.
864
00:51:58,635 --> 00:52:01,055
For whatever reason, Joan Gater
come into our camp.
865
00:52:01,155 --> 00:52:04,256
She wanted to buy... That's
right, she wanted to borrow,
866
00:52:04,356 --> 00:52:08,376
and wanted to see if I had
some refrigerant gas.
867
00:52:08,476 --> 00:52:10,296
We did the normal
neighbourly thing.
868
00:52:10,396 --> 00:52:12,216
Would you like a cup of coffee
and a biscuit?
869
00:52:12,316 --> 00:52:13,896
We're sitting at the table
870
00:52:13,996 --> 00:52:16,577
having a cup of coffee
and a biscuit.
871
00:52:16,677 --> 00:52:19,217
And somehow, for some reason,
872
00:52:19,317 --> 00:52:22,017
she brought this
conversation up,
873
00:52:22,117 --> 00:52:25,937
saying how she knew things
about the bush.
874
00:52:26,037 --> 00:52:28,858
And that her uncle
or something like that,
875
00:52:28,958 --> 00:52:31,938
I'm pretty sure it was her
uncle, was in special forces
876
00:52:32,038 --> 00:52:33,578
up in New Guinea
877
00:52:33,678 --> 00:52:35,618
and had taught her
878
00:52:35,718 --> 00:52:37,898
if you wanted to get rid
of a body, how to do it.
879
00:52:37,998 --> 00:52:40,338
You wrapped 'em up tightly
in trawler net
880
00:52:40,438 --> 00:52:41,859
and weighted 'em down.
881
00:52:41,959 --> 00:52:43,859
So if you sunk them
down to the bottom,
882
00:52:43,959 --> 00:52:45,619
they would sink in the mud.
883
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,539
The bones, nothing would ever
float to the surface.
884
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:51,099
And in these northern waters,
885
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,700
all the plankton and everything
would eat everything away
886
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,800
and nothing would ever be found.
887
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,860
And I'm sitting there going,
well, that's weird.
888
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,021
Why would you
want to tell me that?
889
00:53:05,121 --> 00:53:09,301
And that made me
very much on guard.
890
00:53:09,401 --> 00:53:11,301
We were lucky we
had two big dogs.
891
00:53:11,401 --> 00:53:14,421
So when I was
not in the camp,
892
00:53:14,521 --> 00:53:16,921
I carried my shotgun
with me at all times.
893
00:53:26,842 --> 00:53:29,583
We established
that all firearms
894
00:53:29,683 --> 00:53:32,583
owned, registered to
Michael Gater were missing.
895
00:53:32,683 --> 00:53:34,383
Entirely gone.
896
00:53:34,483 --> 00:53:38,623
Um, Joan Gater,
in explanation of this,
897
00:53:38,723 --> 00:53:40,423
said that sometime prior,
898
00:53:40,523 --> 00:53:43,424
Michael Gater had attempted
suicide in a vessel
899
00:53:43,524 --> 00:53:45,424
and that they'd thrown
the firearms overboard
900
00:53:45,524 --> 00:53:46,784
as a consequence.
901
00:53:46,884 --> 00:53:50,104
However, Vincent Gater
discounted this
902
00:53:50,204 --> 00:53:51,944
as just a straight lie.
903
00:53:52,044 --> 00:53:54,065
So, therefore,
Joan Gater's explanation
904
00:53:54,165 --> 00:53:56,945
in regard to
why the guns are missing
905
00:53:57,045 --> 00:53:58,865
is not only false,
906
00:53:58,965 --> 00:54:03,785
it's a direct lie,
proven by her son.
907
00:54:03,885 --> 00:54:06,766
And they were never recovered.
We never found them.
908
00:54:13,926 --> 00:54:16,346
The only scenario
I can come up with,
909
00:54:16,446 --> 00:54:21,587
if they've both been shot,
if that be the case,
910
00:54:21,687 --> 00:54:28,187
I can only think
that, for some reason...
911
00:54:28,287 --> 00:54:34,148
the shooter never saw the kid
until after Dad had been shot.
912
00:54:34,248 --> 00:54:36,768
And then the kid's
head's popped up.
913
00:54:48,329 --> 00:54:51,189
I dreamt that Brad...
914
00:54:51,289 --> 00:54:53,969
He's still in my dreams.
915
00:54:56,610 --> 00:54:58,550
I said, "Are you okay?"
916
00:54:58,650 --> 00:55:01,910
He said, "Yeah, I'm with
Dad and Granddad."
917
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:04,070
And I said, "Are you all right?"
918
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:06,030
He said, "Yeah."
919
00:55:06,130 --> 00:55:07,711
I said, "What happened?"
920
00:55:07,811 --> 00:55:10,671
He said, "They rolled us up
in an orange net,
921
00:55:10,771 --> 00:55:12,551
"and put us in a croc hole."
922
00:55:19,652 --> 00:55:22,372
I have vivid dreams sometimes.
923
00:55:35,773 --> 00:55:38,593
The rivers themselves
are lush
924
00:55:38,693 --> 00:55:43,114
and full of beautiful creatures.
925
00:55:43,214 --> 00:55:46,554
But then when you're in the
estuary, which is the mangroves,
926
00:55:46,654 --> 00:55:49,074
which is the ugliest
place of all, man,
927
00:55:49,174 --> 00:55:52,954
like, these ugly trees and this
mud and the water's all brown.
928
00:55:53,054 --> 00:55:55,475
You look at it and go,
"This place is shit, man."
929
00:55:55,575 --> 00:55:58,355
But the estuary is a breeding
ground for everything
930
00:55:58,455 --> 00:56:01,155
and it's full of fish.
931
00:56:01,255 --> 00:56:04,595
And where all these fish are,
of course, is crocodiles, man,
932
00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:06,775
and they're all over the place.
933
00:56:09,056 --> 00:56:12,996
And I guess the lesson
in all of that nature,
934
00:56:13,096 --> 00:56:17,796
is that there's no room
for the weak in there, man.
935
00:56:17,896 --> 00:56:20,037
You won't survive.
936
00:56:20,137 --> 00:56:22,477
So, we were brutal out there.
937
00:56:22,577 --> 00:56:27,077
I learned that off of Michael,
that you got to assert yourself.
938
00:56:27,177 --> 00:56:30,757
When you have to hand-kill
animals with a knife,
939
00:56:30,857 --> 00:56:32,878
over and over and over,
940
00:56:32,978 --> 00:56:35,318
you know, you discover
your brutality
941
00:56:35,418 --> 00:56:38,998
and you start pushing it away
and then you know...
942
00:56:39,098 --> 00:56:43,118
we're the alpha here
and we've got guns
943
00:56:43,218 --> 00:56:45,919
and we'll fuck ya
and we'll fuck ya first.
944
00:56:46,019 --> 00:56:48,279
And that way you stay on top.
945
00:56:48,379 --> 00:56:52,759
And I learnt that from Michael,
I reckon, and I felt it too.
946
00:56:52,859 --> 00:56:54,439
Yep.
947
00:56:54,539 --> 00:56:57,080
You just harden up.
948
00:57:29,902 --> 00:57:33,123
It's a sordid tale
involving two fishing families
949
00:57:33,223 --> 00:57:35,123
from the far, far north.
950
00:57:35,223 --> 00:57:37,883
Father and son,
Bevin and Brad Simmonds missing,
951
00:57:37,983 --> 00:57:42,543
presumed murdered by
Joan Gater and her son Michael.
952
00:57:53,384 --> 00:57:57,225
What I'm trying to do
is bring to the jury...
953
00:57:58,265 --> 00:58:02,125
as transparent a story as I can,
954
00:58:02,225 --> 00:58:04,805
because, you know,
what ultimately your jury sees
955
00:58:04,905 --> 00:58:07,965
is but a mere shadow.
956
00:58:08,065 --> 00:58:10,286
But there were undertones
957
00:58:10,386 --> 00:58:14,166
of a potential third party involvement.
958
00:58:14,266 --> 00:58:16,046
Now, to be specific,
959
00:58:16,146 --> 00:58:18,706
and to cut to the chase,
Catherine Simmonds.
960
00:58:23,427 --> 00:58:26,667
I never seen that
woman shed a tear. Never!
961
00:58:27,787 --> 00:58:29,787
And I don't think that's normal.
962
00:58:32,307 --> 00:58:35,048
She stopped all engagements
with us.
963
00:58:35,148 --> 00:58:37,008
Why would someone do that?
964
00:58:37,108 --> 00:58:39,128
You know, you rally
around your family,
965
00:58:39,228 --> 00:58:43,608
you pull them in closer
and you, you know, share stories
966
00:58:43,708 --> 00:58:46,089
to get to the bottom
of something.
967
00:58:46,189 --> 00:58:49,609
She didn't. She just distanced.
She distanced the kids.
968
00:58:49,709 --> 00:58:52,429
And that's the way she kept it.
969
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:58,810
And I've believed that
right from the start,
970
00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:02,290
that she put
the thought out there.
971
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:07,230
I honestly believe
that it was orchestrated.
972
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:10,171
With the promise that,
you know,
973
00:59:10,271 --> 00:59:13,631
I can't be with you,
while Bevin's here.
974
00:59:19,991 --> 00:59:22,972
And Bevin knew, like...
975
00:59:23,072 --> 00:59:26,772
Bevin said that Michael
had been buying her jewellery.
976
00:59:26,872 --> 00:59:29,252
$3,500 they paid
for this watch,
977
00:59:29,352 --> 00:59:32,972
Joan and Michael Gater.
978
00:59:33,072 --> 00:59:35,253
It was an enormously
expensive gesture by Michael.
979
00:59:35,353 --> 00:59:37,573
Like, this watch,
apart from it being effectively
980
00:59:37,673 --> 00:59:40,013
a glamour costume
bit a jewellery,
981
00:59:40,113 --> 00:59:43,333
it was entirely unsuitable
for use in that environment.
982
00:59:43,433 --> 00:59:47,474
You know, how does Cathy
Simmonds explain this watch?
983
00:59:49,274 --> 00:59:52,214
So it indicates a level
of lack of respect.
984
00:59:52,314 --> 00:59:55,774
And he said,
"She will not take my kids."
985
00:59:55,874 --> 00:59:57,614
And she knew that.
986
00:59:57,714 --> 00:59:59,175
There's no way in the world
987
00:59:59,275 --> 01:00:03,855
she could have left Bevin
for another bloke
988
01:00:03,955 --> 01:00:07,455
and took them kids 'cause he
would've fought tooth and nail.
989
01:00:07,555 --> 01:00:09,015
And there are
990
01:00:09,115 --> 01:00:12,216
at least four or five witnesses
that relate to us
991
01:00:12,316 --> 01:00:14,616
direct conversations
with Michael Gater,
992
01:00:14,716 --> 01:00:18,976
in regard to, if Bevin
went missing at the net,
993
01:00:19,076 --> 01:00:21,076
no one would ever know.
994
01:00:28,557 --> 01:00:30,537
Well, every investigation
comes to a point
995
01:00:30,637 --> 01:00:34,197
where you've got to
make a decision.
996
01:00:36,558 --> 01:00:38,538
Also, you know,
997
01:00:38,638 --> 01:00:41,018
when push comes to shove
that you're arresting them,
998
01:00:41,118 --> 01:00:44,258
that creates a different mindset
for these people.
999
01:00:44,358 --> 01:00:45,378
So there's opportunities
1000
01:00:45,478 --> 01:00:47,219
potentially there
that might arise.
1001
01:00:47,319 --> 01:00:49,859
Someone might decide,
"Well, too good for me, boys,
1002
01:00:49,959 --> 01:00:53,619
"I'll tell you everything
about it. I'll fess up."
1003
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:55,719
That didn't occur.
1004
01:00:57,279 --> 01:00:59,900
When you believe you've
exploited and gathered
1005
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,420
as much information
as you could potentially
1006
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,500
likely to ever gather,
1007
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,020
and the only further information
1008
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,120
can come from
the perpetrators...
1009
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,061
time to act.
1010
01:01:12,161 --> 01:01:15,541
13th of December 2003, we acted.
1011
01:01:15,641 --> 01:01:20,261
And we charged them,
Joan and Michael Gater...
1012
01:01:20,361 --> 01:01:22,921
of the murder of
Brad and Bevin Simmonds.
1013
01:01:26,682 --> 01:01:30,482
Only Michael and Joan Gater have
been charged with this matter.
1014
01:01:49,404 --> 01:01:51,704
I sat there
during that court case,
1015
01:01:51,804 --> 01:01:53,984
and I sat there for almost
the whole two weeks.
1016
01:01:54,084 --> 01:01:55,704
I don't think
they knew I was there,
1017
01:01:55,804 --> 01:01:57,344
but I was just listening
to everything.
1018
01:01:57,444 --> 01:02:02,225
And I just thought,
"Man, they're just there."
1019
01:02:02,325 --> 01:02:04,705
"That's all you've got.
1020
01:02:04,805 --> 01:02:07,985
"He's the easiest
person to blame."
1021
01:02:08,085 --> 01:02:09,825
You know,
I sat in the courtroom
1022
01:02:09,925 --> 01:02:12,986
with my mum
and my grandma every day.
1023
01:02:13,086 --> 01:02:17,666
And Bevin was the father
1024
01:02:17,766 --> 01:02:19,906
and he was the husband.
1025
01:02:20,006 --> 01:02:23,746
Yeah, he could be tough,
but he was not the monster
1026
01:02:23,846 --> 01:02:25,887
that he was made out to be.
1027
01:02:28,207 --> 01:02:32,947
It was almost like it was
justified what happened to him.
1028
01:02:33,047 --> 01:02:35,707
The jury came out, there
was very little eye contact.
1029
01:02:35,807 --> 01:02:38,188
There was a lot
of the Gater family
1030
01:02:38,288 --> 01:02:40,508
present in the courtroom,
1031
01:02:40,608 --> 01:02:45,128
which at the time
was quite intimidating.
1032
01:02:46,408 --> 01:02:49,989
A lot of people were
so scared to speak out.
1033
01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:53,369
And those that did speak...
1034
01:02:54,369 --> 01:02:57,689
um, were belittled.
1035
01:03:00,610 --> 01:03:02,870
It just looked
completely like,
1036
01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:04,870
they happened to be there
at that time,
1037
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:06,550
"Yeah, let's pin it on them,
1038
01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:08,270
"because we've got
no fucking imagination.
1039
01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:09,910
"We can't work
anything else out.
1040
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:13,631
"And, look, let's go for
the easy target," you know.
1041
01:03:13,731 --> 01:03:15,771
Who's going to believe him?
1042
01:03:17,331 --> 01:03:19,551
Michael, his entire life
1043
01:03:19,651 --> 01:03:23,751
had effectively lived
the closed environment
1044
01:03:23,851 --> 01:03:26,032
on the vessels with his family.
1045
01:03:26,132 --> 01:03:30,232
It was only in his late
twenties, early thirties
1046
01:03:30,332 --> 01:03:35,392
that he discovered the benefits
and pleasures
1047
01:03:35,492 --> 01:03:38,553
arising from female companionship.
1048
01:03:38,653 --> 01:03:40,313
Whereupon
he's lost the plot,
1049
01:03:40,413 --> 01:03:43,473
and he's doing
anything else but fishing.
1050
01:03:43,573 --> 01:03:46,593
He's off pursuing women,
1051
01:03:46,693 --> 01:03:49,154
which is a quite natural
and sensible course of conduct
1052
01:03:49,254 --> 01:03:52,274
for a young man
in his situation.
1053
01:03:52,374 --> 01:03:56,914
However, from
Joan Gater's perspective,
1054
01:03:57,014 --> 01:03:59,194
her husband has a single arm.
1055
01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:01,355
He's effectively
an invalid on the vessels.
1056
01:04:01,455 --> 01:04:03,115
She doesn't actively go fishing.
1057
01:04:03,215 --> 01:04:05,235
Michael is the fisherman
for the family.
1058
01:04:05,335 --> 01:04:06,995
Vincent is probably too young.
1059
01:04:07,095 --> 01:04:09,755
Vincent, his brother, he's
probably too young at this stage
1060
01:04:09,855 --> 01:04:12,275
to actually shoulder
the major responsibility.
1061
01:04:12,375 --> 01:04:14,036
So, from Joan Gater's
perspective,
1062
01:04:14,136 --> 01:04:17,756
the empire is tottering because
Michael is not on the job.
1063
01:04:17,856 --> 01:04:19,556
He's lost focus.
1064
01:04:19,656 --> 01:04:24,436
Joan then starts making
overtures to the Ward family
1065
01:04:24,536 --> 01:04:26,277
about the benefits of
1066
01:04:26,377 --> 01:04:30,197
a Michael Gater/Cathy Simmonds
formal union.
1067
01:04:30,297 --> 01:04:36,437
And Joan starts to offer
a range of incentives,
1068
01:04:36,537 --> 01:04:40,578
in regard to fishing licences,
financial remuneration...
1069
01:04:41,458 --> 01:04:43,318
to effectively a dowry,
1070
01:04:43,418 --> 01:04:44,798
I suppose,
1071
01:04:44,898 --> 01:04:47,918
to facilitate this.
1072
01:04:48,018 --> 01:04:50,679
And it would've been
a satisfactory conclusion,
1073
01:04:50,779 --> 01:04:52,679
from both families'
perspectives,
1074
01:04:52,779 --> 01:04:54,959
for this to arise
in a natural course of events,
1075
01:04:55,059 --> 01:04:57,759
of a relationship devolving
and a divorce
1076
01:04:57,859 --> 01:04:59,279
and everyone moves on,
1077
01:04:59,379 --> 01:05:01,639
and if it moves into Michael
and Cathy's direction, well,
1078
01:05:01,739 --> 01:05:05,080
yahoo, the two clans
have been joined,
1079
01:05:05,180 --> 01:05:07,320
and Michael becomes
very focused
1080
01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:10,380
and the empire can continue
steaming along.
1081
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:19,401
But I suspect
that there was no...
1082
01:05:19,501 --> 01:05:23,501
clear sign of a formal
separation between...
1083
01:05:24,741 --> 01:05:27,362
Catherine and Bevin.
1084
01:05:27,462 --> 01:05:30,342
So Michael's limbo
was set to continue.
1085
01:05:36,022 --> 01:05:39,643
Bevin leaves for
about a two-week period,
1086
01:05:39,743 --> 01:05:45,203
to work on some
boat-related issues,
1087
01:05:45,303 --> 01:05:47,883
particularly for
a shark reel.
1088
01:05:47,983 --> 01:05:52,164
And in his absence,
the romance was continued
1089
01:05:52,264 --> 01:05:54,444
in quite overt fashion,
where Michael was in fact living
1090
01:05:54,544 --> 01:05:57,424
on the El Dorado
with Cathy and the family.
1091
01:06:01,024 --> 01:06:04,845
Clearly, Cathy is not of
a mind to end the relationship.
1092
01:06:04,945 --> 01:06:07,845
There are a whole range
of consequences of that.
1093
01:06:07,945 --> 01:06:10,325
Financial is one of them.
1094
01:06:10,425 --> 01:06:14,405
And then within five or six days
of his return,
1095
01:06:14,505 --> 01:06:17,186
the father and son
disappear at the net.
1096
01:06:27,507 --> 01:06:29,687
Brad Simmonds
and his father Bevin
1097
01:06:29,787 --> 01:06:32,647
haven't been seen
in more than two years.
1098
01:06:32,747 --> 01:06:35,367
And prosecutors say
it's all because of the affair
1099
01:06:35,467 --> 01:06:39,768
Cathy Simmonds was having
with a jealous trawler skipper.
1100
01:06:39,868 --> 01:06:42,328
It's alleged - with the help
of his mother, Joan -
1101
01:06:42,428 --> 01:06:46,368
he murdered father and son
and disposed of their bodies.
1102
01:06:46,468 --> 01:06:49,248
He then spent the night
with an oblivious Cathy
1103
01:06:49,348 --> 01:06:52,929
aboard the family boat,
the El Dorado.
1104
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:55,569
You know, they painted
the whole picture, right?
1105
01:06:55,669 --> 01:06:57,289
So, you know, alcohol
1106
01:06:57,389 --> 01:07:00,569
and, you know, all this stuff
out of control, you know.
1107
01:07:00,669 --> 01:07:02,249
And I'm sitting there, thinking,
1108
01:07:02,349 --> 01:07:05,210
"Yeah... it doesn't sound like
the picture I remember.
1109
01:07:05,310 --> 01:07:07,690
"No, it doesn't sound like
what I experienced at all.
1110
01:07:07,790 --> 01:07:09,770
"You're just...
you're bullshitting."
1111
01:07:09,870 --> 01:07:13,730
Now forget the fact
that we had no bodies,
1112
01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:17,691
we had no forensics,
no witnesses to the event.
1113
01:07:17,791 --> 01:07:20,391
And we had an entirely
circumstantial case.
1114
01:07:21,551 --> 01:07:25,611
You don't know.
None of you know shit.
1115
01:07:25,711 --> 01:07:27,131
Whatever it was, it's tragic,
1116
01:07:27,231 --> 01:07:31,532
and would've been violent
and messy, but...
1117
01:07:31,632 --> 01:07:34,172
third party involvement
led to their deaths
1118
01:07:34,272 --> 01:07:36,632
of a homicidal nature.
1119
01:07:40,113 --> 01:07:42,733
I couldn't even go
to the last day of the trial,
1120
01:07:42,833 --> 01:07:44,973
because I knew that
they were going to get off,
1121
01:07:45,073 --> 01:07:47,813
and I couldn't
bear to be there.
1122
01:07:47,913 --> 01:07:50,013
I knew they were going to
walk free, and they did.
1123
01:07:50,113 --> 01:07:53,494
They walked out of
the courtroom free people.
1124
01:07:53,594 --> 01:07:58,094
But I still remember
the look on Michael's face
1125
01:07:58,194 --> 01:08:02,014
when... when the verdict
was read.
1126
01:08:02,114 --> 01:08:04,295
And he turned around,
1127
01:08:04,395 --> 01:08:08,095
and he just had this
shock look on his face,
1128
01:08:08,195 --> 01:08:10,655
like, "Oh!"
1129
01:08:10,755 --> 01:08:12,775
That was it. "Oh!"
1130
01:08:12,875 --> 01:08:15,795
As he turned around
and then he faced back.
1131
01:08:17,676 --> 01:08:20,276
And that was pretty much it.
1132
01:08:21,276 --> 01:08:23,616
I remember being so angry
1133
01:08:23,716 --> 01:08:26,496
and...
1134
01:08:26,596 --> 01:08:28,817
You know, they sort of
come over to interview us,
1135
01:08:28,917 --> 01:08:33,697
but they were just so hell-bent
on Michael's story.
1136
01:08:33,797 --> 01:08:37,157
Michael and Joan, they've
just been acquitted of murder!
1137
01:08:38,477 --> 01:08:40,377
And I just think
Bevin and Brad
1138
01:08:40,477 --> 01:08:42,978
were kind of really forgotten
in that moment.
1139
01:08:45,878 --> 01:08:49,598
I guess that, well,
I'll take that to my grave.
1140
01:08:51,998 --> 01:08:55,059
This is a void of information.
1141
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:56,539
This whole investigation
1142
01:08:56,639 --> 01:09:01,499
surrounds the reconstruction
of the surrounding events.
1143
01:09:01,599 --> 01:09:04,779
But the actual events
are a black hole of information.
1144
01:09:04,879 --> 01:09:06,100
None.
1145
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,620
No one knows
what happened.
1146
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,540
There's only the perpetrators
of this crime are the--
1147
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,820
And I say it's a crime,
incontrovertibly it's a crime.
1148
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,981
This isn't a disappearance
at sea.
1149
01:09:18,081 --> 01:09:20,581
This isn't an accident.
1150
01:09:20,681 --> 01:09:23,881
There's third party involvement
of some nature in this.
1151
01:09:27,161 --> 01:09:28,581
So the only people alive
1152
01:09:28,681 --> 01:09:30,742
are the perpetrators
who can tell us what happened.
1153
01:09:30,842 --> 01:09:33,722
And I don't know.
I don't know.
1154
01:09:47,883 --> 01:09:49,943
You know,
and, sure, I can understand,
1155
01:09:50,043 --> 01:09:52,583
you know,
killing the things you have to,
1156
01:09:52,683 --> 01:09:56,604
but you don't kill the things
you don't have to.
1157
01:09:59,604 --> 01:10:03,304
It's not that I don't think
that Michael, you know...
1158
01:10:03,404 --> 01:10:05,184
or they aren't capable
of doing it.
1159
01:10:05,284 --> 01:10:08,385
I mean, you're capable
of doing it for sure, man.
1160
01:10:08,485 --> 01:10:09,705
We're all capable of doing it.
1161
01:10:09,805 --> 01:10:12,505
And I guess you're
on the edge there a lot more
1162
01:10:12,605 --> 01:10:15,725
because of your lifestyle.
1163
01:10:23,086 --> 01:10:27,466
Our family unit definitely
fell apart after that.
1164
01:10:27,566 --> 01:10:30,707
You know, I don't even speak
to any of my other cousins
1165
01:10:30,807 --> 01:10:33,627
because of this.
1166
01:10:33,727 --> 01:10:37,667
You know, Glen and I were sort
of at loggerheads too about it.
1167
01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:40,467
So we didn't talk for a while.
1168
01:10:40,567 --> 01:10:44,408
Just really rocked
the whole family, I guess.
1169
01:10:54,128 --> 01:10:58,309
My role here is justice.
1170
01:10:58,409 --> 01:11:02,349
Maybe my law was a bit stronger
then the Westerners.
1171
01:11:02,449 --> 01:11:04,569
That's how I feel.
1172
01:11:06,329 --> 01:11:12,590
You do anything wrong or murder
committed in the bush...
1173
01:11:12,690 --> 01:11:17,170
There's a justice spear,
it's a three-prong spear.
1174
01:11:19,651 --> 01:11:21,791
It's painful.
1175
01:11:21,891 --> 01:11:23,751
It's painful.
1176
01:11:23,851 --> 01:11:27,551
That's the only way
they can settle a matter
1177
01:11:27,651 --> 01:11:29,771
in two different clan groups.
1178
01:11:31,012 --> 01:11:34,032
Justice spear.
1179
01:11:34,132 --> 01:11:39,332
Then when that happens,
everything's back to normal.
1180
01:11:40,452 --> 01:11:43,313
But our way...
1181
01:11:43,413 --> 01:11:46,773
revenge,
before everything stops.
1182
01:11:50,333 --> 01:11:52,073
Day one of a murder.
1183
01:11:52,173 --> 01:11:55,074
"Hm! All good."
1184
01:11:55,174 --> 01:11:59,494
Day three, four, five.
"Yep, I got this."
1185
01:12:00,454 --> 01:12:02,474
Week one...
1186
01:12:02,574 --> 01:12:04,154
Week two...
1187
01:12:04,254 --> 01:12:06,354
A month... A year...
1188
01:12:06,454 --> 01:12:07,995
10 years...
1189
01:12:08,095 --> 01:12:10,115
20 years...
1190
01:12:10,215 --> 01:12:13,535
A murderer has
to live with the guilt.
1191
01:12:17,495 --> 01:12:20,056
Part of the reason
I'm sitting here...
1192
01:12:21,176 --> 01:12:22,756
There's...
1193
01:12:22,856 --> 01:12:28,076
I feel guilty that
I didn't speak to the police
1194
01:12:28,176 --> 01:12:30,076
prior to the event.
1195
01:12:30,176 --> 01:12:34,557
And part of my
not speaking up earlier,
1196
01:12:34,657 --> 01:12:38,197
even... I was gutless
as I was scared.
1197
01:12:38,297 --> 01:12:40,997
Part of it was
my own survival.
1198
01:12:41,097 --> 01:12:43,117
You know?
1199
01:12:43,217 --> 01:12:44,758
So if I've got it,
1200
01:12:44,858 --> 01:12:47,818
then a lot of other people
have got it a lot more.
1201
01:12:52,418 --> 01:12:55,638
Bevin and Brad's bodies
remain missing.
1202
01:12:55,738 --> 01:12:57,479
They haven't been recovered.
1203
01:12:57,579 --> 01:13:03,559
These matters remain
live investigations, forever.
1204
01:13:03,659 --> 01:13:07,659
You know, it's...
it's a bleeding sore.
1205
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:11,640
We'll never know.
1206
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:17,160
You know, we'll never know
that last moment, you know?
1207
01:13:17,260 --> 01:13:19,520
Did they feel fear?
Did they feel scared?
1208
01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:22,661
Did they feel peace?
Did they...?
1209
01:13:28,101 --> 01:13:31,681
Little Brad, his heart
was a bit like his dad.
1210
01:13:31,781 --> 01:13:33,442
He'd had this great heart.
1211
01:13:33,542 --> 01:13:36,062
And I'm not going to
say goodbye to 'em.
1212
01:13:37,422 --> 01:13:40,422
Because... they will
never die to me.
1213
01:13:41,662 --> 01:13:44,262
They will always
be in my memory.
1214
01:13:47,583 --> 01:13:51,463
Yeah, I'm not saying goodbye.
Sorry, I can't.
1215
01:13:55,623 --> 01:13:59,364
Wherever they were missing,
1216
01:13:59,464 --> 01:14:02,364
their spirits should be
hanging around that area
1217
01:14:02,464 --> 01:14:06,624
where they were killed
or murdered.
1218
01:14:08,664 --> 01:14:14,865
After life, we believe
we still roam our country.
1219
01:14:17,625 --> 01:14:21,586
Sometimes, we do see them...
1220
01:14:23,786 --> 01:14:27,146
but they are all spirit now.
90037
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