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WWW.MY-SUBS.CO
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I'm in Poland, at the former
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headquarters for Hitler's
subterranean weapons project...
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to investigate the secret work
the Third Reich and their
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apparent interests in the
occult, ancient wisdom and
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possibly even advanced,
extraterrestrial technology.
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At the height of World War II,
the Nazis engaged their top
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scientists to develop a number
of what they referred to as
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Wunderwaffe, or
"wonder weapons,"
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weapons that were so diabolical
and so scientifically
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incredible they would turn the tide
of the war against the the Allies.
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According to testimony collected
just after the war, one of these
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top-secret projects was
code-named Die Glocke,
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or "The Bell", and it was
believed to be a serious attempt
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to create a time travel device
that could soar through the sky,
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and eventually maybe even
reach the speed of light.
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But following the war, no trace
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of the Bell was ever found-
only a handful of drawings.
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I'm determined to find out
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whether or not this device
actually existed, and if so,
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could it have been based on designs
left behind by ancient astronauts.
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Could there really be a link
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between extraterrestrial
visitors and the Third Reich?
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My name is Giorgio Tsoukalos.
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I explore the world that exists
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between reality and speculation,
the known and the unknown.
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What we've been taught by mainstream
scholars is not the whole picture.
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I'm convinced that, every day, we
are one step closer to the truth.
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During the Second World War, it
was widely believed that the
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German Army possessed the
most technologically advanced
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military on the planet, boasting
an arsenal that included guided
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missiles, jet aircraft
and precision bombers.
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Adolf Hitler planned to use this
weaponry to defeat the Allied
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forces and create an empire
that would rule the world.
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But after they were defeated in
1945, more than 1,600 German
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scientists were brought to
the United States as part of
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Operation Paperclip, and there
are some who believe that these
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diabolical minds brought secret
knowledge that may have had an
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extraterrestrial origin.
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I'm in Ludwikowice, Poland, with
Igor Witkowski, author of The
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Truth About the Wunderwaffe,
or "wonder weapons."
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In 1997, while working as a
military journalist, Igor was
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shown original documents by a
Polish intelligence officer
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concerning a top secret Nazi
project titled "Kronos" and a
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mysterious weapon known as
Die Glocke, or the "Bell."
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Because Kronos, in ancient Greek
mythology, is also the name of
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the Titan god of time, there are
some who believe that Project
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Kronos involved the study of
time travel, and Die Glocke
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might have been part of some
type of a time machine.
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We are turning left and, uh, we are
just about to enter the valley
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in Ludwikowice, Poland, which
was, uh, sort of a Nazi
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equivalent of the
Area 51, I guess.
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Igor is taking me to a
place called the Henge,
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which is believed to be a former
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Nazi science laboratory and the
headquarters for Project Kronos.
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So this entire valley was sealed off,
and for what purpose was it sealed off?
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I mean, what-what was so
secret about this area?
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Under this valley, there
is a huge mine that, uh,
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bankrupted before the war and
was taken over by the SS for,
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uh... for their purposes because
it's, uh... it's something the
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size of a medium-sized
city underground.
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Interesting.
Okay.
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Yeah. It's here.
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Wow.
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I mean, I'm-I'm
speechless right now.
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I mean, I don't even know
what I'm looking at.
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So this is what they're
referring to as the Henge?
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Looks as if it's made of
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concrete, and, uh, I mean, it's
a very interesting structure.
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So what can you
tell me about this?
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It appears for the first
time on, uh, aerial
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photographs in, uh, September of
1944, so it certainly has been
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built, uh, shortly before
the end of the war.
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And the entire valley was
dedicated to research and
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development purposes, and this
is one of the objects here.
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And do you think that
this had something to do
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with them building the
Wunderwaffe and Die Glocke?
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There is one clue about it.
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The entire valley was sealed off
from the outside world, and
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this structure stands in the very
center of the security rings.
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The security rings consisted of,
uh, lines of fortifications,
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guarding rooms, uh, bunkers, uh,
gates, blockades for tanks and
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even lines of trenches, which is
something very unusual because
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this place was, uh, never
close to the front line.
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Interesting.
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According to Igor, the entire
valley is honeycombed with
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chambers, tunnels and
subterranean laboratories, all
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once dedicated to the development
of futuristic technologies.
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So this here is ground
zero for the Wunderwaffe.
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Looking around, there's some
power plants over here which
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would require a lot of energy, and
one has to wonder, what was it for?
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The SS general Hans Kammler
has, uh, built here an
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enormous industrial research
complex, and, uh, this power
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plant here, which consumed
around 1,000 tons of, uh, coal
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per day, was used to power
all that undertaking.
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Leading the search for the Wunderwaffe
was Nazi scientist Hans Kammler.
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Some claim that Kammler was the
most important officer in the SS
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and masterminded the development
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of cutting-edge projects based
upon ancient knowledge.
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Some have suggested that the
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Henge was designed to test Die
Glocke and that large chains
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would have been attached to the
bizarre structure so that the
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bell-shaped craft would
not fly away prematurely.
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But the Henge is nothing
compared to the vast network of
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tunnels and chambers which lie
hidden underground, the place
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where many believe Die Glocke,
or "the Bell," was constructed.
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This is very creepy down here.
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Very creepy.
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It's cold.
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Cold.
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It's damp.
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According to Igor, Nazi
Germany's prisoners of war were
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forced to participate in high-tech
experiments here at the Henge.
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This is the guard room.
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There was a machine gun here.
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These holes were for
throwing grenades.
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Wow.
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I mean, this is crazy.
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Yeah.
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Exactly how many of these
experiments were conducted
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is unknown, but it has been
documented that many former
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participants suffered nerve
damage and even a condition
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where the skin was coming off
the participants' faces, as
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though they had been exposed
to high levels of radiation.
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So do you think that the Bell
might've been a-a type of a
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propulsion device for an antigravity
machine or something like that?
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The Germans were using a
phenomenon which occurs when a
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high-energy vortex of some kind
is separated from the outside
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world, and, uh, it is causing
an antigravitational effect.
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According to reports
discovered after the war, some
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have suggested that German
scientists had been
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experimenting with antigravity
technologies and had been
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developing a type of vortex
engine powered by mercury.
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The idea was that the mercury
would spin in a gyroscopic
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manner within a closed system
and create lift, seemingly
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defying gravity in much the same way
many modern UFO sightings are described.
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Are you aware of any blueprints
that were ever discovered of
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this Wunderwaffe, the way it might've been
shaped, the way it might've looked like?
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Somewhere... here, yes, you
see, it's something that
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resembles a bell and it is
portrayed here as a part of
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some larger propulsion system.
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A time machine device
embedded in something
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that looks like a flying saucer.
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Could such a device
really exist?
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And if it did, could it
really travel through time?
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You know, the first thing that
jumps out at me is that they
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named this thing here
the "Vril Number 9."
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And vril is something that
refers to power in ancient
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Tibetan and Sanskrit texts.
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So why would anyone use this?
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It's a very obscure term,
this whole "Vril" thing.
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What can you tell me about why
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or how this "Vril" was actually
used, in this context here?
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What they have discovered
is that one may
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induce gravity from
electromagnetic forces.
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"Vril," in this case, seems to
be the most accurate description
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of the force that
we are discovering.
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According to Igor, The Bell
disappeared at the end
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of the war, along with its
mastermind, Hans Kammler.
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And there are those who
speculate, to this day, that
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both escaped through
a window in time.
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I'm at Castle Ksiaz in
Lower Silesia, Poland-
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a former development
headquarters for many of Adolf
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Hitler's top-secret weapons known as
Wunderwaffe, or "wonder weapons."
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Author and researcher Igor
Witkowski has brought me here to
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show me what he claims to be
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authentic Nazi documentation
for a device which some people
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believe could have been some
sort of a time machine.
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Igor, do you think that maybe
The Bell- that they also
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sometimes refer to as Die Glocke-
was a type of flying craft?
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It was a combination of some flying
machine with weapons of mass destruction.
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It seems that The Bell was the
main part of a propulsion
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system, of a flying craft,
not a flying craft itself.
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But we don't know the
rest of the picture.
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It has been widely reported
that the Nazis had an
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almost fanatical desire to
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locate and study ancient
religious texts and artifacts,
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which they believed
possessed great power.
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They were also fascinated by the
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occult and the study of the
forbidden or so-called "Dark Arts."
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Although much of this ancient
knowledge was lost at the end of
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the war, much of it was thought
to be taken by the Allies as
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spoils of war and may have
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served as the inspiration
for many of the advanced
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communications and weapons
systems in use today.
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The very idea of generating
gravity was based on
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scientific discoveries
that they had made.
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They were open, also, to the
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idea of incorporating knowledge
from the ancient past.
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And to the very possibility of other
intelligences in the universe.
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This all seems highly
advanced for its time.
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It was such an advanced idea,
the most secret research
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project carried out
in the Third Reich.
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And I have a very interesting
document here, which is signed
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by the General Kammler, which
says that it was, uh, engaging
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all the forces of the SS
at the end of the war.
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The way Igor describes
The Bell reminds me of
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the numerous accounts in ancient
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Hindu texts of the "vimanas"-
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airships that could stop on a
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dime and change direction at top
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speed, seemingly defying the
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laws of physics.
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The ancient Sanskrit text, the
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Mahabarata, describes an earthly
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arrival by these ancient
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spacecraft, which curiously
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resemble modern-day
UFO accounts.
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Today, most mainstream
historians identify the stories
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of the vimanas as works of
fiction, but in India some
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Hindus regard them as history.
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Is it possible that the Nazis
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had somehow rediscovered an
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alien technology that existed on
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Earth thousands of years ago?
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And, if so, where did they get
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such detailed information?
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In his 1993 book Secret
Societies and their Power in
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the 20th Century, author Jan
van Helsing wrote that a UFO
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crashed in Germany's
Black Forest in 1936...
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...three years before the
start of World War II.
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According to his account,
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Hitler's SS troops took
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possession of the downed craft
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and carried it away to their
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top-secret headquarters at
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Wewelsburg Castle.
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There, it is believed that Nazi
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scientists began their attempts
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to reverse-engineer technology
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found aboard the damaged craft.
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As I said good-bye to Igor,
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I couldn't stop thinking about
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the idea that the strange
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designs I'd seen of the Nazi
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Bell reminded me not only of
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Hindu vimanas, but also of
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stupas- an ancient bell-shaped
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design that Buddhists believed
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had mystical powers.
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After leaving Poland,
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I travelled to Switzerland to
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meet with my good friend and
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mentor, Erich von Daniken, the
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founding father behind what's
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known as the "ancient
astronaut theory."
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So do you think that
extraterrestrials are
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responsible why we have the
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stupa motif today?
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This particular shape?
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You see, we always were copiers.
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We saw some vimanas, which had
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the shape of a stupa.
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So, later, we made
copies out of the stupa.
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The-The cultures in the past-
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intellectually, they may have
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been brilliant, but they could
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not understand the technology.
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The stupa dates back
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thousands of years and is
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believed to have been inspired
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by early burial mounds in which
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the deceased were seated in an
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upright position and
covered with earth.
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Later, the stupa was thought to
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represent a seated Buddha, and
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over the centuries, its basic
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bell shape became refined with
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the addition of more and more
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elaborate designs.
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You know, some people have
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suggested that the
stupa shape itself...
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or, you know, that whatever
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vehicles were described in the
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past, might have had the
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possibility of-of time travel.
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Do think that such a
thing is possible?
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Uh... nothing is impossible.
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Nothing is impossible.
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I would not exclude this
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completely, because who knows
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what the future brings?
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Exactly.
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So... I'm in the Swiss Alps,
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consulting with Erich von
Daniken about Die Glocke, also
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known as The Bell, to see if he
thinks whether or not the Nazis
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may have been developing a time
travel device based on ancient
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Hindu and Buddhist designs
designs that perhaps were
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directly inspired by ancient
extraterrestrial technology.
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You see, the stupa is, uh,
a shape which you find in
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the Mahabharata- the
old Indian epic.
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There, small vehicles called
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"vimanas" had the
shape of a stupa.
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Since that time people always
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copied stupas because stupas had
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to do something with the gods
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and with heaven.
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There are numerous accounts
in ancient Sanskrit
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texts that describe vimanas and
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stupas, ancient
chariots of the gods.
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And they were described as
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flying chariots made of gleaming
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metal with amazing
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maneuverability in the air with
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powerful weapons that could
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annihilate the enemy from afar.
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Some were even described to be
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able to cloak themselves.
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Now, while mainstream scholars
interpret these events in divine
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and symbolic terms, the ancient
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astronaut theory suggests that
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this is rooted in misunderstood
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technology and that they were
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perhaps witnessing
extraterrestrial craft.
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You see, for example,
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here, this is the so-called
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Borobudur in Indonesia.
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It's a gigantic temple and it's
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just composed of hundreds and
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hundreds of stupas.
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Now these stupas are not empty.
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In every stupa, inside
is the young Buddha.
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And what is the
young Buddha doing?
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He's using his hands, you see,
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to manipulate some control
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because, according to their
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belief, the stupa is the small
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vehicle with which you reach the
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big vehicle.
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The big vehicle is
surrounding the planet.
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The small vehicle comes down to
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earth and goes again,
but just to the big.
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So you have to manipulate some
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controls... and you remember,
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Giorgio, that we have this
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famous plaque of
Palenque in Mexico.
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Yes... And there, this young
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ruler Pakal is sitting on this
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sort of chair manipulating some
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controls with two hands.
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If you turn it a little, you
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have exactly the same pictures
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as young Buddha
sitting in a stupa.
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And, you see, when you take any
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Indian temple, it doesn't matter
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if the temple is a young
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temple- by young, I mean maybe
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it was constructed just 50 years
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ago- or if it's an old temple,
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if the temple is 2,000 years
ago, it doesn't matter what.
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On top of every Indian temple,
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still, today, you have
a so-called vimana.
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Vimana is, again, the flying
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machine from mythology but it
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was not mythology, and
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sometimes, it was reality.
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And sometimes the vimana has the
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shape of a stupa, again.
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What do you say to
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people who suggest that the
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ancient Indian epics are nothing
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else but a product of fantasy?
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This is all garbage.
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It was real.
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It was reality.
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The vimanas always came from
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the so-called "cities in
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the sky,"- today, we would say
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"mother spaceship."
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You know, there are
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some that have suggested that
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some of the Nazi scientists were
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inspired by Sanskrit texts.
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Do you think that's
a possibility?
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Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
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We know from, uh, some diaries
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of these scientists that they
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studied ancient Sanskrit texts
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and they were influenced.
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Erich then shared an
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interesting story with me about
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one of the German scientists
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he'd once met in person
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concerning the Wunderwaffe
developments.
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You see, Werner von
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Braun was the one who launched
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up Saturn V to the moon.
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He was a student of Professor
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Dr. Hermann Oberth.
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Hermann Oberth is what we call
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the "father of rockets."
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They were studying Hindu and,
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and the Veda text, definitely.
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Because when he was an old man,
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I had the chance to speak
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together with Hermann Oberth,
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and I asked him
about these things.
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Did you work at some kind of
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stupa sh..., uh, a kind of
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secret weapon and he said,
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"Yes, we did work, but we never
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finished the work.
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If we would have finished it,
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we would have won the war."
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Well, thank you very
much for-for answering
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some of these questions.
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And, uh, you know, I'm not sure
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yet where I will go next in this
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investigation, but, uh, this
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was invaluable information.
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Thank you very much,
Erich, as always.
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Thank you, Giorgio.
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You can come to my archives.
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It's endless.
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It will never end, all the links
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and stories together.
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It all comes together,
absolutely.
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It's always fascinating to talk
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with Erich, and speaking with
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him made me wonder if maybe
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Die Glocke wasn't only designed
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to be a part of a time-traveling
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craft but, perhaps, was also
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designed to be a
time-traveling craft.
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Because he kept on saying how
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the ancient people often
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reported seeing stupa-shaped
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craft coming down from the sky.
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But was the mysterious
bell-shaped object, simply known
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as Die Glocke, really
capable of space travel?
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And if so, could it reach the
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kind of incredible speeds
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necessary to enable it
to travel through time?
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Human beings have dreamed
of traveling through
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time for hundreds of years.
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In 1905, Albert Einstein proved
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that time travel is, in fact,
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achievable based on his famous
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theory of relativity.
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Since then, scientists have been
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trying to develop a time machine
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that can travel both forward and
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backwards in time.
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And some propose that the best
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way to manipulate time is by
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creating an artificial time
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vortex, or wormhole.
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Even NASA is developing warp
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drive technology that would
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allow us to exceed
the speed of light.
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And in so doing, travel
into the future.
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Now I'm back in the
States, in Pittsburgh.
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I still have some questions
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about time travel and there is
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no one better to ask about time
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travel than Stanton Friedman,
a nuclear physicist.
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So I'm really looking forward to
meet with one of the greatest
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minds in ufology today.
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Stanton, such a great time to
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see you again.
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How are you?
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Just fine.
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It's been a while.
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So, thank you very much for
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taking the time to meet with me
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and answer some of my questions.
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Not at all.
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I actually went to
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Poland to look at the Henge.
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Because, allegedly, the Nazis
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were working on this bell-shaped
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weapon called Die Glocke...
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at which they were able to
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manipulate space and time.
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Clearly something went
on, but what was it?
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There's no question
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that German technology
was outstanding.
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And before the Second World War,
certainly, they were ahead of
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the United States in many
areas of technology.
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What is your opinion
on the feasibility or
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the reality of time travel?
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Well, there are areas
where we know it works,
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as a matter of fact.
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As you get close to the speed of
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light, time slows down.
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How much?
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Well, it depends on
how close you get.
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In Albert Einstein's
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theory of relativity, time
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dilation refers to the passage
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of time being affected by the
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laws of nature, such as
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differences in gravity
and velocity.
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This phenomenon may be best
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illustrated by comparing an
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atomic clock on Earth with
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another one in space- even
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though both clocks function
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perfectly, the clock in space
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will run slower, due to the
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bending of space-time by the
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forces of gravity.
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So I wanted to know- since time
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travel is theoretically
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possible- if the Nazi
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scientists could have achieved
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it during World War II.
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Could you surmise that this
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bell shape or cone shape, in any
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way, shape or form, is conducive
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to manipulating time and space?
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00:26:24,281 --> 00:26:27,283
Whether it has anything to do
with time or not, I don't know.
513
00:26:27,284 --> 00:26:28,350
I like the symmetry of it.
514
00:26:28,351 --> 00:26:29,351
Mm-hmm.
515
00:26:29,352 --> 00:26:33,555
Because I expect anything
with time is symmetrical.
516
00:26:33,556 --> 00:26:37,627
If Hitler's guys had figured out
how to build a time machine or
517
00:26:37,628 --> 00:26:40,362
an antigravity machine or some
518
00:26:40,363 --> 00:26:42,165
entirely new physical craft,
519
00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:44,566
they would have used
it during the war.
520
00:26:44,567 --> 00:26:45,767
I cannot believe that Hitler
521
00:26:45,768 --> 00:26:47,437
would have withheld it.
522
00:26:47,438 --> 00:26:48,638
What if they
523
00:26:48,639 --> 00:26:51,841
couldn't complete what they were
524
00:26:51,842 --> 00:26:54,577
working on and it just so
525
00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:58,147
happened to be that America...
Grabbed it.
526
00:26:58,148 --> 00:26:59,314
I've seen no signs of that.
527
00:26:59,315 --> 00:27:00,582
However, we finally got 156
528
00:27:00,583 --> 00:27:04,320
pages of top-secret UMBRA
529
00:27:04,321 --> 00:27:05,822
NSA UFO documents.
530
00:27:05,823 --> 00:27:08,424
You can read one
sentence per page.
531
00:27:08,425 --> 00:27:10,193
Everything else is whited out.
532
00:27:10,194 --> 00:27:12,594
Interesting. Okay... CIA...
yeah, the CIA
533
00:27:12,595 --> 00:27:15,197
released a bunch of
blacked-out documents.
534
00:27:15,198 --> 00:27:18,834
Some of them have six words you can
read, some eight words you can read.
535
00:27:18,835 --> 00:27:21,437
And people said,
"There's no cover-up."
536
00:27:21,438 --> 00:27:22,604
Well, there is a cover-up.
537
00:27:22,605 --> 00:27:23,840
It's very hard to say anything
538
00:27:23,841 --> 00:27:25,207
is impossible.
539
00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:27,610
Well, Stan, this has
been a great honor.
540
00:27:27,611 --> 00:27:28,444
I've learned a lot.
541
00:27:28,445 --> 00:27:30,446
And, uh, your contribution
here has been invaluable.
542
00:27:30,447 --> 00:27:31,447
So thank you very much.
543
00:27:31,448 --> 00:27:32,849
It's been my pleasure.
544
00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:33,850
I've learned something, too.
545
00:27:33,851 --> 00:27:36,185
And I'll let you know
how all of this goes.
546
00:27:36,186 --> 00:27:37,186
Good.
547
00:27:37,187 --> 00:27:39,055
All right?
548
00:27:39,511 --> 00:27:42,691
I'm in Southern California about
549
00:27:42,692 --> 00:27:45,628
to meet with Dr. Bob Frisbee, a
550
00:27:45,629 --> 00:27:47,429
retired aerospace engineer, and
551
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:49,364
we're about to conduct some wind
552
00:27:49,365 --> 00:27:53,335
tunnel tests on a
bell-shaped object.
553
00:27:53,336 --> 00:27:54,770
I want to find out whether or
554
00:27:54,771 --> 00:27:57,172
not a vehicle with this shape is
555
00:27:57,173 --> 00:27:58,640
suitable for flight, because we
556
00:27:58,641 --> 00:28:01,476
still don't know if Die Glocke
557
00:28:01,477 --> 00:28:05,915
was designed to be some
kind of spacecraft.
558
00:28:05,916 --> 00:28:09,385
Giorgio, welcome to
the NASA wind tunnel
559
00:28:09,386 --> 00:28:11,387
at Cal State L.A.
560
00:28:11,388 --> 00:28:12,787
This is awesome.
561
00:28:12,788 --> 00:28:14,389
So this is where the hard-core
562
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:15,658
science takes place.
563
00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:17,659
Absolutely.
564
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:18,793
I've been all over
565
00:28:18,794 --> 00:28:20,263
the place, investigating this
566
00:28:20,264 --> 00:28:22,931
idea that the Nazis built this
567
00:28:22,932 --> 00:28:25,833
strange weapon called
568
00:28:25,834 --> 00:28:27,402
Die Glocke, or "The Bell," and
569
00:28:27,403 --> 00:28:30,672
that this might have had
something to do with a time-
570
00:28:30,673 --> 00:28:32,675
travel device, which I
find very intriguing.
571
00:28:32,676 --> 00:28:35,677
In order to do something
like time travel,
572
00:28:35,678 --> 00:28:38,680
you're going to need very large
573
00:28:38,681 --> 00:28:40,815
energies and masses, and very
574
00:28:40,816 --> 00:28:42,885
odd configurations, in order to
575
00:28:42,886 --> 00:28:44,954
make the equations of general
576
00:28:44,955 --> 00:28:47,689
relativity come out the
way you want them to.
577
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:48,823
You touched upon
578
00:28:48,824 --> 00:28:50,293
something that I've always found
579
00:28:50,294 --> 00:28:52,962
very interesting, because, yes,
580
00:28:52,963 --> 00:28:55,531
it is conceivable that time
581
00:28:55,532 --> 00:28:57,366
travel is possible.
582
00:28:57,367 --> 00:28:58,700
But the energy requirements for
583
00:28:58,701 --> 00:29:01,970
that would be so vast that even
584
00:29:01,971 --> 00:29:04,840
if we combined all of our
585
00:29:04,841 --> 00:29:06,775
available energy resources
586
00:29:06,776 --> 00:29:09,245
today, is it correct that we
587
00:29:09,246 --> 00:29:11,447
don't have the energy resources
588
00:29:11,448 --> 00:29:14,382
to actually fire up the engine?
589
00:29:14,383 --> 00:29:15,584
To make something like
590
00:29:15,585 --> 00:29:17,954
this work requires an enormous
591
00:29:17,955 --> 00:29:22,591
amount of mass to
warp space-time.
592
00:29:22,592 --> 00:29:24,459
So if we somehow had an enormous
593
00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:27,530
amount of negative energy,
594
00:29:27,531 --> 00:29:29,732
we could warp space in just the
595
00:29:29,733 --> 00:29:32,334
directions you need, and the way
596
00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:34,302
you need, to do things like
597
00:29:34,303 --> 00:29:36,738
antigravity, warp drives,
598
00:29:36,739 --> 00:29:39,742
wormholes and, potentially,
time machines.
599
00:29:39,743 --> 00:29:40,842
I love it.
600
00:29:40,843 --> 00:29:42,544
In this investigation, when I
601
00:29:42,545 --> 00:29:44,479
read up that maybe the Nazis
602
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,748
were working on a bell-shaped
603
00:29:46,749 --> 00:29:48,950
energy device that some have
604
00:29:48,951 --> 00:29:50,485
proposed might have been a time
605
00:29:50,486 --> 00:29:52,754
machine or something like that,
606
00:29:52,755 --> 00:29:54,756
my mind, you know, was blown.
607
00:29:54,757 --> 00:29:55,858
What do you think?
608
00:29:55,859 --> 00:29:57,426
Well, first of all,
609
00:29:57,427 --> 00:30:00,428
Germany invented relativity and
610
00:30:00,429 --> 00:30:02,764
quantum mechanics.
611
00:30:02,765 --> 00:30:05,033
So, intellectually, they had
612
00:30:05,034 --> 00:30:07,035
more than enough horsepower to
613
00:30:07,036 --> 00:30:09,504
actually come to grips with the
614
00:30:09,505 --> 00:30:12,440
science of something like this.
615
00:30:12,441 --> 00:30:14,443
The idea of time
616
00:30:14,444 --> 00:30:16,478
travel being possible is very
617
00:30:16,479 --> 00:30:18,046
exciting to me, and the concept
618
00:30:18,047 --> 00:30:20,616
that a person could travel not
619
00:30:20,617 --> 00:30:22,517
only through space but also
620
00:30:22,518 --> 00:30:26,621
through time is even
more incredible.
621
00:30:26,622 --> 00:30:27,790
But was the mysterious
622
00:30:27,791 --> 00:30:29,792
bell-shaped object simply known
623
00:30:29,793 --> 00:30:32,061
as Die Glocke really capable of
624
00:30:32,062 --> 00:30:34,397
space travel, and, if so, could
625
00:30:34,398 --> 00:30:35,930
it reach the kind of incredible
626
00:30:35,931 --> 00:30:38,633
speeds necessary to enable it to
627
00:30:38,634 --> 00:30:40,468
travel through time?
628
00:30:40,469 --> 00:30:43,339
That is what I
needed to find out.
629
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:44,674
Giorgio, I'd like to
630
00:30:44,675 --> 00:30:45,808
introduce you to Dr. Wu.
631
00:30:45,809 --> 00:30:46,542
Hello.
632
00:30:46,543 --> 00:30:49,477
Pleasure to meet
you; how are you?
633
00:30:49,478 --> 00:30:51,046
Welcome to the wind
tunnel lab, gentlemen.
634
00:30:51,047 --> 00:30:52,814
This is... this is great.
635
00:30:52,815 --> 00:30:54,550
Yeah. Let me... So this is it.
636
00:30:54,551 --> 00:30:55,418
Yeah.
637
00:30:55,419 --> 00:30:57,620
Today we're gonna measure
the aerodynamic drag.
638
00:30:57,621 --> 00:31:00,622
Now, of course, in the
vacuum of space, drag is not
639
00:31:00,623 --> 00:31:05,093
an issue, but a craft that's
also designed to maneuver on
640
00:31:05,094 --> 00:31:10,433
Earth would need to be
aerodynamically sound.
641
00:31:10,434 --> 00:31:14,102
Let's fire her up.
642
00:31:25,903 --> 00:31:32,743
I'm meeting with retired aerospace
engineer Dr. Bob Frisbee.
643
00:31:32,744 --> 00:31:34,745
I've asked him to test a
644
00:31:34,746 --> 00:31:36,580
stupa-shaped object in a wind
645
00:31:36,581 --> 00:31:38,349
tunnel to determine if it is
646
00:31:38,350 --> 00:31:41,752
aerodynamically
suitable for flight.
647
00:31:41,753 --> 00:31:43,754
If we can prove that the object
648
00:31:43,755 --> 00:31:45,622
could not only fly but be
649
00:31:45,623 --> 00:31:46,891
capable of reaching the
650
00:31:46,892 --> 00:31:49,226
incredible speeds necessary for
651
00:31:49,227 --> 00:31:50,760
space travel, then it's just
652
00:31:50,761 --> 00:31:52,895
possible that the German
653
00:31:52,896 --> 00:31:54,597
Die Glocke might actually have
654
00:31:54,598 --> 00:31:57,767
been capable of time travel.
655
00:31:57,768 --> 00:31:59,769
Let's fire her up.
656
00:32:04,865 --> 00:32:07,477
And now we increase
657
00:32:07,478 --> 00:32:08,778
the air speed, you can see the
658
00:32:08,779 --> 00:32:09,779
drag will be increasing.
659
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:13,316
Where do we see the air speed?
660
00:32:13,317 --> 00:32:14,317
Right here.
661
00:32:14,318 --> 00:32:14,884
Aha.
662
00:32:14,885 --> 00:32:16,586
As Dr. Wu increases the air
663
00:32:16,587 --> 00:32:18,788
speed within the chamber, a drag
664
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:20,791
sensor measures how efficient
665
00:32:20,792 --> 00:32:22,392
the object is in terms of
666
00:32:22,393 --> 00:32:23,627
aerodynamic resistance.
667
00:32:23,628 --> 00:32:26,229
We almost reach 100
miles per hour.
668
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:27,398
Okay.
669
00:32:27,399 --> 00:32:29,800
I think that's... we
have more than enough
670
00:32:29,801 --> 00:32:31,235
information.
671
00:32:31,236 --> 00:32:33,637
And so now we can
look at the data.
672
00:32:33,638 --> 00:32:34,804
Yeah.
673
00:32:34,805 --> 00:32:36,239
When Dr. Wu showed
674
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,807
us his evaluation of how the
675
00:32:37,808 --> 00:32:39,543
bell-shaped design performed in
676
00:32:39,544 --> 00:32:41,411
the wind tunnel, I expected that
677
00:32:41,412 --> 00:32:43,479
it would produce a lot of drag,
678
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,248
because it doesn't look anything
679
00:32:45,249 --> 00:32:46,650
like a rocket ship or the sleek
680
00:32:46,651 --> 00:32:48,651
aerodynamic designs associated
681
00:32:48,652 --> 00:32:52,922
with most flying machines.
682
00:32:52,923 --> 00:32:54,658
So what does this mean?
683
00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:56,259
How efficient is this shape?
684
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:58,661
It's a comparison with
other shapes like a
685
00:32:58,662 --> 00:33:01,231
spherical ball.
686
00:33:01,232 --> 00:33:02,432
The wind tunnel test
687
00:33:02,433 --> 00:33:03,933
indicated that the bell shape is
688
00:33:03,934 --> 00:33:07,304
about twice as
efficient as a sphere.
689
00:33:07,305 --> 00:33:08,839
I'm surprised how
690
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,275
aerodynamically sound the stupa
691
00:33:11,276 --> 00:33:12,977
actually is.
692
00:33:12,978 --> 00:33:14,978
Even though it... looks
693
00:33:14,979 --> 00:33:16,513
like it would be terribly
694
00:33:16,514 --> 00:33:18,314
inefficient, it's better than
695
00:33:18,315 --> 00:33:20,583
the simplest sphere... yeah.
696
00:33:20,584 --> 00:33:23,454
I mean, that is, uh,
very interesting.
697
00:33:23,455 --> 00:33:25,389
That is surprising, for sure.
698
00:33:25,390 --> 00:33:27,858
If the tests prove anything,
699
00:33:27,859 --> 00:33:32,263
it's that appearances
can be deceiving.
700
00:33:32,264 --> 00:33:35,565
In May of 2014, an aerospace
701
00:33:35,566 --> 00:33:37,668
company called SpaceX unveiled
702
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:39,870
Version 2 of their Dragon
703
00:33:39,871 --> 00:33:41,939
spaceship, designed for travel
704
00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:44,874
into deep space.
705
00:33:44,875 --> 00:33:46,943
And this ultramodern spacecraft,
706
00:33:46,944 --> 00:33:48,879
like the Nazi Bell, bears a
707
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,882
striking similarity
to ancient stupas.
708
00:33:52,883 --> 00:33:54,618
Dr. Frisbee, thank you very much
709
00:33:54,619 --> 00:33:57,020
for answering some
of my questions.
710
00:33:57,021 --> 00:33:59,289
And those wind tunnel tests were
711
00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:01,025
incredible.
712
00:34:01,026 --> 00:34:02,625
This is a way of opening
713
00:34:02,626 --> 00:34:04,762
the possibilities as to what can
714
00:34:04,763 --> 00:34:06,497
be going on in the world and the
715
00:34:06,498 --> 00:34:07,698
universe around us.
716
00:34:07,699 --> 00:34:08,899
Those are the only
717
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:10,700
questions that we ask because
718
00:34:10,701 --> 00:34:12,568
this is something where people
719
00:34:12,569 --> 00:34:14,971
have forgotten that science, in
720
00:34:14,972 --> 00:34:17,642
the end, is an adventure.
721
00:34:19,978 --> 00:34:22,379
I now know that the design for
722
00:34:22,380 --> 00:34:23,913
Die Glocke is aerodynamically
723
00:34:23,914 --> 00:34:26,650
sound, but what I still don't
724
00:34:26,651 --> 00:34:28,518
know is whether or not the
725
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:30,787
device was ever constructed.
726
00:34:30,788 --> 00:34:32,756
To find out the answer,
727
00:34:32,757 --> 00:34:34,358
I traveled to Kecksburg,
728
00:34:34,359 --> 00:34:36,326
Pennsylvania, the sight of
729
00:34:36,327 --> 00:34:38,394
a now-famous UFO crash involving
730
00:34:38,395 --> 00:34:43,066
a mysterious bell-shaped object.
731
00:34:43,067 --> 00:34:46,937
On December 9, 1965, a brilliant
732
00:34:46,938 --> 00:34:48,939
fireball streaking across the
733
00:34:48,940 --> 00:34:51,507
sky was witnessed by thousands
734
00:34:51,508 --> 00:34:53,410
of people as it flew over
735
00:34:53,411 --> 00:34:56,479
Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
736
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,648
Several hundred people saw it
737
00:34:58,649 --> 00:35:00,416
come crashing through the trees
738
00:35:00,417 --> 00:35:02,519
into a deep ravine.
739
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,954
These witnesses also reported
740
00:35:04,955 --> 00:35:06,956
that the U.S. Army later arrived
741
00:35:06,957 --> 00:35:09,392
on the scene, placed the object
742
00:35:09,393 --> 00:35:11,961
on a flatbed truck and quickly
743
00:35:11,962 --> 00:35:13,764
took it away.
744
00:35:13,765 --> 00:35:15,766
To this day, the military has
745
00:35:15,767 --> 00:35:21,972
denied that this event
even took place.
746
00:35:21,973 --> 00:35:23,773
My first stop is to meet with
747
00:35:23,774 --> 00:35:26,776
Stan Gordon, a local researcher
748
00:35:26,777 --> 00:35:29,546
who is an expert in the 1965
749
00:35:29,547 --> 00:35:32,983
Kecksburg crash.
750
00:35:32,984 --> 00:35:35,686
This is, um, one of
the photos I took in
751
00:35:35,687 --> 00:35:37,688
the mid-1980s.
752
00:35:37,689 --> 00:35:40,858
This is where we found what appeared
to be a pattern of tree damage.
753
00:35:40,859 --> 00:35:41,858
These were actually all
754
00:35:41,859 --> 00:35:42,860
physically knocked down.
755
00:35:42,861 --> 00:35:43,860
Okay.
756
00:35:43,861 --> 00:35:46,063
Okay, now, as you went down
into the wooded area and
757
00:35:46,064 --> 00:35:48,731
followed the trajectory, well,
then you found the fact that,
758
00:35:48,732 --> 00:35:49,999
as this thing moved along,
759
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,101
it knocked tops of trees out.
760
00:35:52,102 --> 00:35:53,804
Some trees were broken in the
761
00:35:53,805 --> 00:35:54,871
same direction.
762
00:35:54,872 --> 00:35:55,872
Right.
763
00:35:55,873 --> 00:35:57,708
Clearly, there was something
764
00:35:57,709 --> 00:36:00,410
there, and there were
reports in the news?
765
00:36:00,411 --> 00:36:01,612
Well, the newspaper
766
00:36:01,613 --> 00:36:03,113
accounts are quite interesting.
767
00:36:03,114 --> 00:36:04,847
The story made the national
768
00:36:04,848 --> 00:36:05,849
news, so it was picked up
769
00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:07,483
by not only the local papers,
770
00:36:07,484 --> 00:36:08,885
but it was also picked up
771
00:36:08,886 --> 00:36:11,021
by the national media as well.
772
00:36:11,022 --> 00:36:13,157
This was from our local
Greensburg Tribune-Review.
773
00:36:13,158 --> 00:36:14,157
Look at that.
774
00:36:14,158 --> 00:36:17,026
"Unidentified Flying Object
Falls Near Kecksburg."
775
00:36:17,027 --> 00:36:19,028
"Army Ropes Off Area."
776
00:36:19,029 --> 00:36:21,465
Interesting, okay.
777
00:36:21,466 --> 00:36:23,032
In your investigations, did you
778
00:36:23,033 --> 00:36:24,767
come across any reports whether
779
00:36:24,768 --> 00:36:26,769
or not there were any people
780
00:36:26,770 --> 00:36:28,037
inside this object?
781
00:36:28,038 --> 00:36:29,505
Because in Roswell's story, we
782
00:36:29,506 --> 00:36:31,642
always hear how they carried
783
00:36:31,643 --> 00:36:33,043
away bodies and that one of
784
00:36:33,044 --> 00:36:35,612
those bodies,
allegedly, was alive.
785
00:36:35,613 --> 00:36:37,180
So is there anything similar in
786
00:36:37,181 --> 00:36:39,749
this particular case?
787
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:41,751
There have been some
788
00:36:41,752 --> 00:36:43,854
very interesting accounts which
789
00:36:43,855 --> 00:36:45,856
suggest the possibility that
790
00:36:45,857 --> 00:36:47,657
someone or something may have
791
00:36:47,658 --> 00:36:49,459
been inside the object.
792
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:51,061
Mm-hmm.
793
00:36:51,062 --> 00:36:52,729
What do you, personally, think
794
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:55,064
the Kecksburg object was?
795
00:36:55,065 --> 00:36:56,733
Well, I can tell you
796
00:36:56,734 --> 00:36:58,202
there's various theories on it.
797
00:36:58,203 --> 00:37:00,070
It ranges from being a very
798
00:37:00,071 --> 00:37:01,805
sophisticated power source to
799
00:37:01,806 --> 00:37:04,775
some type of antigravity machine
800
00:37:04,776 --> 00:37:07,677
and to, in fact, a time machine.
801
00:37:07,678 --> 00:37:09,746
A time machine?
802
00:37:09,747 --> 00:37:11,613
Is it at all possible that
803
00:37:11,614 --> 00:37:13,550
Die Glocke, or the Nazi Bell,
804
00:37:13,551 --> 00:37:15,084
and the UFO that crashed in the
805
00:37:15,085 --> 00:37:18,621
woods at Kecksburg are
one and the same?
806
00:37:18,622 --> 00:37:20,791
And if so, what happened to it?
807
00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:24,763
And could there be an
extraterrestrial connection?
808
00:37:27,901 --> 00:37:31,337
I'm in Kecksburg,
Pennsylvania with local
809
00:37:31,338 --> 00:37:33,473
researcher Stan Gordon, about to
810
00:37:33,474 --> 00:37:34,942
look at a full-sized model of
811
00:37:34,943 --> 00:37:40,480
the UFO that allegedly
crashed here in 1965.
812
00:37:40,481 --> 00:37:42,683
According to reports, it looks
813
00:37:42,684 --> 00:37:43,917
very much like the German
814
00:37:43,918 --> 00:37:45,953
Die Glocke, and I can't wait to
815
00:37:45,954 --> 00:37:49,124
see it with my own eyes.
816
00:37:50,223 --> 00:37:52,092
So this is it, huh?
817
00:37:52,093 --> 00:37:53,360
That's correct, yes.
818
00:37:53,361 --> 00:37:54,360
Wow.
819
00:37:54,361 --> 00:37:56,362
Let's go take a
little closer look.
820
00:37:56,363 --> 00:37:57,364
Sure.
821
00:37:57,365 --> 00:37:59,366
I mean, this is
pretty interesting.
822
00:37:59,367 --> 00:38:01,367
Is this... I mean, tell
me the story behind this.
823
00:38:01,368 --> 00:38:03,837
Is this a... an exact replica of
824
00:38:03,838 --> 00:38:05,105
the eyewitness report?
825
00:38:05,106 --> 00:38:07,106
Well, this is the mock-up
of the object that
826
00:38:07,107 --> 00:38:10,844
reportedly fell
here, back in 1965.
827
00:38:10,845 --> 00:38:12,244
The Kecksburg UFO
828
00:38:12,245 --> 00:38:14,246
looks almost identical to the
829
00:38:14,247 --> 00:38:15,981
designs and drawings I've seen
830
00:38:15,982 --> 00:38:18,117
of the so-called "Nazi Bell."
831
00:38:18,118 --> 00:38:21,353
And it's sort of
blowing my mind.
832
00:38:21,354 --> 00:38:23,355
So what can you tell me about
833
00:38:23,356 --> 00:38:24,391
the size reference to the
834
00:38:24,392 --> 00:38:26,793
eyewitness reports in comparison
835
00:38:26,794 --> 00:38:28,927
to this replica right here?
836
00:38:28,928 --> 00:38:31,130
Well, according to eyewitnesses
who were up in the
837
00:38:31,131 --> 00:38:33,733
ravine and were standing only
several feet away from the
838
00:38:33,734 --> 00:38:36,135
object, they estimate that this
839
00:38:36,136 --> 00:38:37,936
thing was approximately, maybe,
840
00:38:37,937 --> 00:38:40,940
about ten to 12 feet,
maybe more, in length.
841
00:38:40,941 --> 00:38:43,677
And about eight to ten
feet in diameter.
842
00:38:43,678 --> 00:38:45,145
And the popular term
843
00:38:45,146 --> 00:38:46,945
here is that this is called
844
00:38:46,946 --> 00:38:47,947
"The Acorn," right?
845
00:38:47,948 --> 00:38:48,947
That's correct.
846
00:38:48,948 --> 00:38:50,717
Well, one eyewitness said it
847
00:38:50,718 --> 00:38:52,217
looked like somebody took liquid
848
00:38:52,218 --> 00:38:53,952
metal and poured it into an
849
00:38:53,953 --> 00:38:54,954
acorn-shaped mold.
850
00:38:54,955 --> 00:38:55,954
There's no rivets.
851
00:38:55,955 --> 00:38:56,956
There's no seams.
852
00:38:56,957 --> 00:38:57,956
There's no weld marks.
853
00:38:57,957 --> 00:38:59,826
There's no fuselage, no windows.
854
00:38:59,827 --> 00:39:01,161
No doors.
855
00:39:01,162 --> 00:39:05,030
And on that raised-up back
area, what really caught his
856
00:39:05,031 --> 00:39:08,233
attention, and others, were these
unusual markings that were
857
00:39:08,234 --> 00:39:13,907
raised up off the surface and looked
more like symbols than letters.
858
00:39:13,908 --> 00:39:15,041
All right, I'll just
859
00:39:15,042 --> 00:39:18,378
take some... some
pictures for my archives.
860
00:39:18,379 --> 00:39:22,315
This has a perfect acorn shape.
861
00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:25,184
So can you actually take
me to the crash site?
862
00:39:25,185 --> 00:39:27,186
I can take you up to the
general area where a lot of
863
00:39:27,187 --> 00:39:29,188
the activity took
place that evening.
864
00:39:29,189 --> 00:39:30,190
Sounds great.
865
00:39:30,191 --> 00:39:31,424
All right.
866
00:39:31,425 --> 00:39:32,759
So let's go to the crash site.
867
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,759
Yeah?
868
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,195
Okay.
869
00:39:35,196 --> 00:39:36,862
I know this is crazy
870
00:39:36,863 --> 00:39:38,764
to think about, but did a time
871
00:39:38,765 --> 00:39:40,065
machine built by the Nazis
872
00:39:40,066 --> 00:39:42,001
during World War II really
873
00:39:42,002 --> 00:39:46,306
crash-land here in
Kecksburg in 1965?
874
00:39:46,307 --> 00:39:48,440
I mean, it's highly speculative
875
00:39:48,441 --> 00:39:50,342
and I'm not saying that this is
876
00:39:50,343 --> 00:39:52,212
what happened, but just the
877
00:39:52,213 --> 00:39:54,012
possibility is mind-blowing and
878
00:39:54,013 --> 00:39:56,282
I can't wait to see the area
879
00:39:56,283 --> 00:40:00,219
where this thing touched down.
880
00:40:00,220 --> 00:40:02,221
So this was the general area?
881
00:40:02,222 --> 00:40:04,224
Right. It-it's deep
inside the wooded area.
882
00:40:04,225 --> 00:40:06,226
So you're telling
me it's down there.
883
00:40:06,227 --> 00:40:08,228
In this general... Right, yeah.
884
00:40:08,229 --> 00:40:09,496
Okay.
885
00:40:09,497 --> 00:40:12,231
Let's see if I can...
886
00:40:12,232 --> 00:40:13,833
And so, from what direction did
887
00:40:13,834 --> 00:40:15,034
it approach?
888
00:40:15,035 --> 00:40:16,302
Well, the object came
889
00:40:16,303 --> 00:40:17,971
in, roughly, from that general
890
00:40:17,972 --> 00:40:19,972
area, went out towards the
891
00:40:19,973 --> 00:40:22,242
mountains, out
towards Laurelville.
892
00:40:22,243 --> 00:40:24,244
Then the object turned and began
893
00:40:24,245 --> 00:40:25,978
to track back towards Kecksburg,
894
00:40:25,979 --> 00:40:27,980
went a little further out, and
895
00:40:27,981 --> 00:40:30,250
made another turn and then came
down into the wooded ravine.
896
00:40:30,251 --> 00:40:31,251
So multiple turns?
897
00:40:31,252 --> 00:40:32,251
Yes.
898
00:40:32,252 --> 00:40:34,521
I mean, this would indicate
to me that it wasn't
899
00:40:34,522 --> 00:40:38,391
necessarily a flat-out crash,
but maybe they were looking for
900
00:40:38,392 --> 00:40:40,860
a clearing to land safely.
901
00:40:40,861 --> 00:40:43,128
Well, this object, whatever
it was, apparently had
902
00:40:43,129 --> 00:40:45,498
made an unintentional landing.
903
00:40:45,499 --> 00:40:47,000
It crashed through the woods.
904
00:40:47,001 --> 00:40:48,501
It knocked down trees and then
905
00:40:48,502 --> 00:40:50,068
it ended up down into the bottom
906
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:51,271
of the ravine.
907
00:40:51,272 --> 00:40:52,871
That's interesting.
908
00:40:52,872 --> 00:40:54,340
I would love to go a little bit
909
00:40:54,341 --> 00:40:56,108
closer to see if we maybe can
910
00:40:56,109 --> 00:40:59,077
spot some of those
knocked-over trees.
911
00:40:59,078 --> 00:41:00,948
Maybe they still exist.
912
00:41:06,019 --> 00:41:08,521
So, in this place, you're
913
00:41:08,522 --> 00:41:10,422
telling me that there used to be
914
00:41:10,423 --> 00:41:12,858
trees that were cut off in some
915
00:41:12,859 --> 00:41:14,159
sort of a pattern where the
916
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,563
thing allegedly came in?
917
00:41:16,564 --> 00:41:17,896
Well, we had found what
918
00:41:17,897 --> 00:41:20,300
appeared to be a
pattern of trajectory.
919
00:41:20,301 --> 00:41:23,302
We had found some trees that were
knocked down in the same direction.
920
00:41:23,303 --> 00:41:25,304
Other trees with the
tops knocked out.
921
00:41:25,305 --> 00:41:28,509
This is quite fascinating.
922
00:41:32,879 --> 00:41:34,880
After visiting the site of the
923
00:41:34,881 --> 00:41:36,916
Kecksburg UFO crash, I'm
924
00:41:36,917 --> 00:41:39,018
fascinated by the eyewitness
925
00:41:39,019 --> 00:41:41,054
accounts of what appeared to be
926
00:41:41,055 --> 00:41:42,923
an acorn-shaped spacecraft...
927
00:41:43,923 --> 00:41:45,458
...and its similarity to the
928
00:41:45,459 --> 00:41:47,059
designs for Die Glocke- that
929
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:48,928
were discovered after the war.
930
00:41:50,865 --> 00:41:52,331
Is it possible that the
931
00:41:52,332 --> 00:41:53,565
technologies the Nazis were
932
00:41:53,566 --> 00:41:55,335
developing toward the end of
933
00:41:55,336 --> 00:41:57,202
World War II were based on
934
00:41:57,203 --> 00:42:01,007
ancient Buddhist
and Hindu texts?
935
00:42:01,008 --> 00:42:02,474
And was their plan to construct
936
00:42:02,475 --> 00:42:04,344
a time travel device made
937
00:42:04,345 --> 00:42:06,612
possible by reverse-engineering
938
00:42:06,613 --> 00:42:09,215
extraterrestrial technology?
939
00:42:09,216 --> 00:42:11,351
Two facts are certain:
940
00:42:11,352 --> 00:42:13,085
Dr. Hans Kammler, the man in
941
00:42:13,086 --> 00:42:15,154
charge of the Nazi Die Glocke
942
00:42:15,155 --> 00:42:18,491
project, disappeared
after the war.
943
00:42:18,492 --> 00:42:21,360
And in 1965, thousands of people
944
00:42:21,361 --> 00:42:23,096
witnessed a UFO that they
945
00:42:23,097 --> 00:42:25,197
described as looking almost like
946
00:42:25,198 --> 00:42:27,500
an upside-down bell- one that
947
00:42:27,501 --> 00:42:32,038
changed direction like someone
was inside, steering it.
948
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:34,039
Although a connection between
949
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,574
these two events has not yet
950
00:42:35,575 --> 00:42:38,510
been proven, I am sure that, one
951
00:42:38,511 --> 00:42:43,650
day, we will achieve some type
of technology that will allow us
952
00:42:43,651 --> 00:42:49,444
to travel not only through space,
but perhaps also through time...
953
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:51,224
in search of aliens.
954
00:42:51,225 --> 00:42:54,426
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