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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,632 --> 00:00:15,390 {\an8}♪♪ 2 00:00:15,473 --> 00:00:23,189 {\an8}♪♪ 3 00:00:23,273 --> 00:00:26,526 Dorsey: You don't dream... 4 00:00:26,609 --> 00:00:30,697 things that you can't imagine. 5 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:33,700 I dreamed about just growing up and being married 6 00:00:33,783 --> 00:00:36,536 and having a white house with a white fence 7 00:00:36,619 --> 00:00:38,413 and staying in it and cooking, 8 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:41,541 and I'm sure that came from my "Dick and Jane" reader. 9 00:00:41,624 --> 00:00:43,168 In high school, 10 00:00:43,251 --> 00:00:46,254 I decided I really wanted to be a secretary 11 00:00:46,337 --> 00:00:49,174 because I'd seen one someplace, maybe in a magazine, 12 00:00:49,257 --> 00:00:51,593 and they they wore church clothes every day 13 00:00:51,676 --> 00:00:53,052 and they didn't have to chop cotton, 14 00:00:53,136 --> 00:00:54,345 they didn't have to pick cotton, 15 00:00:54,429 --> 00:00:55,555 they didn't have to be in the hot sun. 16 00:00:55,638 --> 00:00:57,015 They set in a nice office 17 00:00:57,098 --> 00:00:59,267 and I saw pictures of them talking on telephones, 18 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:01,936 and I thought that was an excellent job to have. 19 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:04,481 It would be an excellent way to spend your life 20 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:06,441 if you didn't have the white house and the picket fence 21 00:01:06,524 --> 00:01:08,902 and all of that stuff. 22 00:01:11,654 --> 00:01:14,407 Hayes: And I worked for White folks every day. 23 00:01:14,491 --> 00:01:16,743 We'd leave school, come home, change clothes, 24 00:01:16,826 --> 00:01:19,662 go to the White folks' place, so we'd be around their kids. 25 00:01:19,746 --> 00:01:20,914 We get to fighting with them, 26 00:01:20,997 --> 00:01:22,373 get in arguments about civil rights, 27 00:01:22,457 --> 00:01:24,709 get in arguments about Black and White issues. 28 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:29,297 And we would fight. I mean, we'd literally bloody-up fight. 29 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:33,134 I mean, it was anger, serious anger. 30 00:01:33,218 --> 00:01:36,262 I don't remember fear, but my family, I think, 31 00:01:36,346 --> 00:01:40,141 was trying to express fear to us about it. 32 00:01:40,225 --> 00:01:43,269 You know, to be careful. 33 00:01:43,353 --> 00:01:48,149 And I remember that my sister, who was very fat at the time, 34 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:49,442 Mama had tried to get her 35 00:01:49,526 --> 00:01:51,402 to sweep under the bed with the broom, 36 00:01:51,486 --> 00:01:55,281 and she always said, "Mama, I cannot get down on my knees, 37 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:57,951 and get under that bed because I'm too fat." 38 00:01:58,034 --> 00:02:00,703 Well, one night, the police came in front of our house. 39 00:02:00,787 --> 00:02:04,499 They let the dog bark all night long just about, 40 00:02:04,582 --> 00:02:08,294 and Jean got down and got under the bed. 41 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:09,462 And Mama said to me, 42 00:02:09,546 --> 00:02:11,756 "Girl, hand that ol' girl that broom 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,842 since she already under the bed," you know. 44 00:02:13,925 --> 00:02:18,805 So it wasn't all dark. It was some light moments, too. 45 00:02:18,888 --> 00:02:22,725 {\an8}♪♪ 46 00:02:22,809 --> 00:02:26,479 ♪ Woke up this morning with my mind ♪ 47 00:02:26,563 --> 00:02:30,608 ♪ Stayed on freedom, oh ♪ 48 00:02:30,692 --> 00:02:34,612 ♪ Woke up this morning with my mind ♪ 49 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:38,199 ♪ Stayed on freedom, oh ♪ 50 00:02:38,283 --> 00:02:41,828 ♪ Woke up this morning with my mind ♪ 51 00:02:41,911 --> 00:02:45,540 ♪ Stayed on freedom ♪ 52 00:02:45,623 --> 00:02:47,250 ♪ Hallelu ♪ 53 00:02:47,333 --> 00:02:49,168 ♪ Hallelu ♪ 54 00:02:49,252 --> 00:02:53,506 ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 55 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:54,841 Narrator: A generation ago, 56 00:02:54,924 --> 00:02:57,927 Mississippi was a state like no other. 57 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:00,555 Its Blacks were free in name only, 58 00:03:00,638 --> 00:03:03,892 second-class citizens in a system unchanged 59 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:06,019 since the turn of the century. 60 00:03:06,102 --> 00:03:10,189 Most lived without hope, but a few fought back 61 00:03:10,273 --> 00:03:14,319 and others, Black and White, joined with them. 62 00:03:14,402 --> 00:03:19,157 They were young with no political power or experience. 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,533 Within four short years, 64 00:03:20,617 --> 00:03:22,535 they would lead their ragtag political army 65 00:03:22,619 --> 00:03:25,872 to the seat of national power. 66 00:03:25,955 --> 00:03:28,499 In the end, Mississippi and our country 67 00:03:28,583 --> 00:03:31,377 would never be the same, and neither would they. 68 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:35,548 ♪ Oh, I'm singin' and prayin' with my mind ♪ 69 00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:38,217 ♪ Prayin' on ♪ 70 00:03:38,301 --> 00:03:39,928 ♪ Stayed on freedom ♪ 71 00:03:40,011 --> 00:03:43,932 ♪ Singin' and prayin' with my mind ♪ 72 00:03:44,015 --> 00:03:47,435 ♪ Stayed on freedom ♪ 73 00:03:47,518 --> 00:03:49,020 ♪ Hallelu ♪ 74 00:03:49,103 --> 00:03:51,064 ♪ Hallelu ♪ 75 00:03:51,147 --> 00:03:55,401 ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 76 00:03:55,485 --> 00:04:02,617 {\an8}♪♪ 77 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:08,331 {\an8}♪♪ 78 00:04:08,414 --> 00:04:09,624 Dorsey: I started chopping cotton, 79 00:04:09,707 --> 00:04:12,168 I think, when I was about 6 or 7, 80 00:04:12,251 --> 00:04:13,711 and basically I was very happy. 81 00:04:13,795 --> 00:04:17,257 {\an8}I mean, I didn't know that we were poor 82 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:19,926 {\an8}because everybody I knew except the White folks, 83 00:04:20,009 --> 00:04:21,761 {\an8}which we all knew lived differently, 84 00:04:21,844 --> 00:04:23,304 {\an8}lived the same way we did. 85 00:04:23,388 --> 00:04:26,140 You know, I thought we were fine. 86 00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:31,646 My father was unable to read and write. 87 00:04:31,729 --> 00:04:33,314 He'd never gone to school. 88 00:04:33,398 --> 00:04:39,070 He was convinced that education was the only way Black people 89 00:04:39,153 --> 00:04:42,949 had to get out of anything they were in. 90 00:04:44,617 --> 00:04:46,035 The straw boss, the agent, 91 00:04:46,119 --> 00:04:48,955 the guy who was hired to run the operation, 92 00:04:49,038 --> 00:04:53,793 like a business manager, was opposed to us going to school 93 00:04:53,876 --> 00:04:57,213 when there was work to be done. 94 00:04:57,296 --> 00:04:59,257 And he had a rule. He would go around and say, 95 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:01,801 "These kids are too big to be in school anyway, 96 00:05:01,884 --> 00:05:03,344 and they need to be in the field." 97 00:05:03,428 --> 00:05:06,597 And my father was so adamant about going to school 98 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:09,225 until he would walk us to the bus stop 99 00:05:09,308 --> 00:05:10,768 with his gun every morning. 100 00:05:10,852 --> 00:05:17,316 {\an8}♪♪ 101 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,237 Like it or not, this is a European civilization, 102 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,239 {\an8}a White man civilization, 103 00:05:23,322 --> 00:05:27,535 {\an8}and it -- it should remain that, 104 00:05:27,618 --> 00:05:31,164 {\an8}with the Negroes considered to be, more or less, guests. 105 00:05:31,247 --> 00:05:34,208 You knew you couldn't look at White women, 106 00:05:34,292 --> 00:05:37,670 look at them in the eye without getting in trouble. 107 00:05:37,754 --> 00:05:40,089 Because you could be lynched for our rape, 108 00:05:40,173 --> 00:05:42,383 which was really something that people believed in, 109 00:05:42,467 --> 00:05:44,135 that you were looking at a woman 110 00:05:44,218 --> 00:05:49,057 in a way that indicated you had bad intentions toward her. 111 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:50,808 Man: We have -- we have in Greenwood, 112 00:05:50,892 --> 00:05:52,685 I think we have wonderful relations 113 00:05:52,769 --> 00:05:54,395 with our colored people. 114 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:56,355 It has been demonstrated through the years 115 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:58,858 in all of the businesses, type of businesses. 116 00:05:58,941 --> 00:06:02,987 The colored people are very happy, extremely happy 117 00:06:03,071 --> 00:06:04,363 in Mississippi. 118 00:06:04,447 --> 00:06:06,074 And I think they feel just as warmly toward us. 119 00:06:06,157 --> 00:06:07,533 That's a fact. 120 00:06:07,617 --> 00:06:10,328 Do you know anybody that disagrees with that? 121 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:15,666 Holland: I went to babysit for this White family, 122 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:20,254 and the White woman called me upstairs. 123 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:21,964 I went on upstairs in a hurry 124 00:06:22,048 --> 00:06:24,509 so as not to keep the White woman waiting. 125 00:06:24,592 --> 00:06:27,887 She said, "Mr. Lars wants to see you." 126 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:30,431 And I looked in the bed, Mr. Lars was laying there 127 00:06:30,515 --> 00:06:31,891 among the bedclothes. 128 00:06:31,974 --> 00:06:33,893 {\an8}They were so silky. 129 00:06:33,976 --> 00:06:38,481 {\an8}And I said, "Yessir, Mr. Lars, what do you want with me?" 130 00:06:38,564 --> 00:06:41,067 {\an8}And he immediately pulled me down into the bed 131 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:43,069 {\an8}and had intercourse with me. 132 00:06:43,152 --> 00:06:44,904 It was -- I was 11 years old. 133 00:06:44,987 --> 00:06:47,031 That day was my birthday. 134 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:48,574 There was no reason for us to run 135 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:50,076 and tell our mother or our father 136 00:06:50,159 --> 00:06:52,078 because they couldn't do anything about it 137 00:06:52,161 --> 00:06:54,539 but get killed if they said something about it. 138 00:06:54,622 --> 00:06:59,127 So many times, girls, we girls would talk in the bathroom 139 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:02,004 about it, you know, never telling our parents, 140 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:04,924 but it happened very, very frequently. 141 00:07:05,007 --> 00:07:12,056 {\an8}♪♪ 142 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:13,808 But after I was raped at 11, 143 00:07:13,891 --> 00:07:16,519 I started having men right and left, you know, 144 00:07:16,602 --> 00:07:21,440 so I was -- I was easy.. 145 00:07:21,524 --> 00:07:24,193 and I walked sassy. 146 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:25,778 And I would cuss. 147 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:28,364 I could out-cuss a longshoremen. 148 00:07:28,447 --> 00:07:30,533 {\an8}And I hated it. 149 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:33,077 {\an8}I hated it. 150 00:07:33,161 --> 00:07:35,413 {\an8}I had all kind of fantasies about it. 151 00:07:35,496 --> 00:07:39,625 I was fascinated by people like David and Goliath stories 152 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:41,002 when I -- 153 00:07:41,085 --> 00:07:42,795 These were my favorite biblical characters, 154 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,590 the cats who kicked folks' butt, you know? 155 00:07:45,673 --> 00:07:48,050 You know, and like Moses, 156 00:07:48,134 --> 00:07:51,637 drowning everybody in the Red Sea. 157 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:52,805 I used to go in the woods. 158 00:07:52,889 --> 00:07:54,098 I used to go in the back woods 159 00:07:54,182 --> 00:07:58,644 and preach and scream, "Fight 'em!" 160 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:01,606 Run into bushes and kick trees 161 00:08:01,689 --> 00:08:03,649 and pretend they was White folks. 162 00:08:03,733 --> 00:08:11,908 {\an8}♪♪ 163 00:08:11,991 --> 00:08:15,953 Dorsey: So you learn how to -- how to negotiate your life 164 00:08:16,037 --> 00:08:17,496 with White folks. 165 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:22,501 And I guess you also learn the fear associated with them 166 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:26,672 of -- of how much power they actually held over you, 167 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:29,508 how they could determine whether you continue to live 168 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:31,719 or whether you die. 169 00:08:32,845 --> 00:08:35,014 [ Indistinct yelling ] 170 00:08:35,097 --> 00:08:42,855 {\an8}♪♪ 171 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:46,025 {\an8}♪♪ 172 00:08:46,108 --> 00:08:49,028 {\an8}♪♪ 173 00:08:49,111 --> 00:08:51,572 Two, four, six, eight, we don't want to integrate. 174 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:54,533 Two, four, six, eight, we don't want to integrate. 175 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:57,578 I'll say for the mothers to keep their kids out of school. 176 00:08:57,662 --> 00:09:00,039 Altogether, we -- We are White people. 177 00:09:00,122 --> 00:09:01,958 We don't want them to go to school with niggers. 178 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:03,960 Narrator: The civil rights movement changed forever 179 00:09:04,043 --> 00:09:07,088 the old relationship between Blacks and Whites. 180 00:09:07,171 --> 00:09:12,218 It started in the '50s and gathered new momentum in 1960, 181 00:09:12,301 --> 00:09:14,053 when Black college students 182 00:09:14,136 --> 00:09:16,847 began staging sit-ins and freedom rides. 183 00:09:16,931 --> 00:09:19,892 Their dramatic confrontations at segregated lunch counters 184 00:09:19,976 --> 00:09:22,895 and bus stations stunned the nation 185 00:09:22,979 --> 00:09:26,023 and galvanized Blacks across the South. 186 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:28,567 ♪ Come all of you freedom lovers ♪ 187 00:09:28,651 --> 00:09:29,986 -Yeah! -Yeah! 188 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:32,655 ♪ The news I have to tell ♪ 189 00:09:32,738 --> 00:09:33,823 -Yeah! -Yeah! 190 00:09:33,906 --> 00:09:35,408 ♪ Of how those freedom fighters ♪ 191 00:09:35,491 --> 00:09:37,910 ♪ Came to Mississippi to dwell ♪ 192 00:09:37,994 --> 00:09:41,455 ♪ Oh, which side are you on, boys ♪ 193 00:09:41,539 --> 00:09:43,416 ♪ Which side are you on ♪ 194 00:09:43,499 --> 00:09:45,209 And I was really excited about that. 195 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:47,503 I would run home every -- every evening 196 00:09:47,586 --> 00:09:48,713 and listen to it. 197 00:09:48,796 --> 00:09:51,048 And every weekend when the newspapers came, 198 00:09:51,132 --> 00:09:54,051 we would read about it in a newspaper. 199 00:09:54,135 --> 00:09:57,179 And it was people saying, "I'm taking this stuff anymore." 200 00:09:57,263 --> 00:09:59,265 Who stood right up and looked him in the eye 201 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:04,228 in a way that I had never seen anybody do to White folk. 202 00:10:04,312 --> 00:10:06,063 ♪ Which side are you on ♪ 203 00:10:06,147 --> 00:10:10,318 Gray Adams: These young people were willing to take risks. 204 00:10:10,401 --> 00:10:11,610 They cared enough about 205 00:10:11,694 --> 00:10:13,446 what they thought was important, 206 00:10:13,529 --> 00:10:14,697 what was necessary 207 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:16,615 to be willing to do something about it. 208 00:10:16,699 --> 00:10:18,576 And that is what attracted me. 209 00:10:18,659 --> 00:10:21,162 {\an8}That is what attracted me because 210 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:24,290 {\an8}I was always out there trying to do something about something. 211 00:10:24,373 --> 00:10:26,417 {\an8}But the support system was never there. 212 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:29,462 {\an8}There was such an enormous feeling of pride 213 00:10:29,545 --> 00:10:32,798 {\an8}that we all felt in that activity and that action. 214 00:10:32,882 --> 00:10:34,258 {\an8}It just kind of radiated all over. 215 00:10:34,342 --> 00:10:36,802 {\an8}It gave you almost chills to see people 216 00:10:36,886 --> 00:10:39,639 actually hitting away at -- 217 00:10:39,722 --> 00:10:42,933 at the system of segregation that existed for so long 218 00:10:43,017 --> 00:10:45,853 and it was young people a lot like ourselves 219 00:10:45,936 --> 00:10:47,813 and they looked so magnificent. 220 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:51,150 I mean, both the men and the women, 221 00:10:51,233 --> 00:10:52,943 and they were so nicely dressed 222 00:10:53,027 --> 00:10:55,071 and -- and that was a part of it. 223 00:10:55,154 --> 00:10:58,074 I mean, they were all dressed up and they just gave you 224 00:10:58,157 --> 00:11:01,452 just an overwhelming sense of pride and accomplishment. 225 00:11:01,535 --> 00:11:03,871 Edwards: I became aware, as we all were, 226 00:11:03,954 --> 00:11:05,498 that the Freedom Rides started. 227 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:07,041 The busses were going South, 228 00:11:07,124 --> 00:11:10,461 and they refused to segregate at the southern borders 229 00:11:10,544 --> 00:11:12,671 where the law would kick in to police. 230 00:11:12,755 --> 00:11:14,924 {\an8}That is, if you went from Tennessee to Mississippi, 231 00:11:15,007 --> 00:11:17,176 {\an8}you suddenly had to go to the back of the bus. 232 00:11:17,259 --> 00:11:19,512 {\an8}Well, the freedom busses were going down 233 00:11:19,595 --> 00:11:22,056 {\an8}to break the segregated South. 234 00:11:22,139 --> 00:11:23,516 But I don't know they're Freedom Riders 235 00:11:23,599 --> 00:11:26,852 till the bus stopped in Jackson, and they get off. 236 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:29,480 And they go in the White side and I'm looking at... 237 00:11:31,607 --> 00:11:33,859 Here, for once in my life, 238 00:11:33,943 --> 00:11:38,823 my fantasies were being played out in real life for me. 239 00:11:38,906 --> 00:11:40,825 I had always wanted to be in a position 240 00:11:40,908 --> 00:11:44,495 where I could fight the White man and win. 241 00:11:44,578 --> 00:11:46,872 These people were winners. I'm with them. 242 00:11:46,956 --> 00:11:50,709 Ganz: This was young people that were challenging all this, 243 00:11:50,793 --> 00:11:54,171 {\an8}and it was ordinary people that were challenging all this, 244 00:11:54,255 --> 00:11:57,299 {\an8}and it was like -- 245 00:11:57,383 --> 00:11:59,593 {\an8}[ Sighs ] It was the call. 246 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:03,097 {\an8}It was the first time I really heard the call, 247 00:12:03,180 --> 00:12:05,641 {\an8}which is what it was. 248 00:12:05,724 --> 00:12:07,101 Narrator: The students 249 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:09,562 formed their own integrated organization called SNCC. 250 00:12:09,645 --> 00:12:12,731 Their symbol -- Black and White hands joined together. 251 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:15,609 The Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee 252 00:12:15,693 --> 00:12:18,112 attracted young people from around the country, 253 00:12:18,195 --> 00:12:22,158 including a young math teacher from New York City, Bob Moses. 254 00:12:22,241 --> 00:12:24,702 Moses had grown up in the Harlem projects, 255 00:12:24,785 --> 00:12:27,371 then attended all-White Hamilton College. 256 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:31,250 Moses: The sit-ins, when they broke out, just grabbed me. 257 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:35,421 The pictures of the Southern students 258 00:12:35,504 --> 00:12:38,757 and what I became aware of in looking at them 259 00:12:38,841 --> 00:12:42,761 was that they looked how I felt, 260 00:12:42,845 --> 00:12:48,517 and I really responded immediately to that. 261 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:50,436 Narrator: On a tour through the South, 262 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:51,937 Moses met with leaders 263 00:12:52,021 --> 00:12:54,273 of Mississippi's underground civil rights network -- 264 00:12:54,356 --> 00:12:58,903 men like the NAACP's Amzie Moore and Earl Steptoe. 265 00:12:58,986 --> 00:13:02,239 Moore wanted to take advantage of the new student energy, 266 00:13:02,323 --> 00:13:03,949 and he persuaded Moses to head up 267 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:07,995 SNCC's first voting rights project in McComb, Mississippi. 268 00:13:08,078 --> 00:13:12,249 There was a pull to go south, and I discovered SNCC. 269 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:19,757 {\an8}♪♪ 270 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,053 {\an8}♪♪ 271 00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:25,804 I was traveling by bus. 272 00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:29,391 And a couple of youngsters escorted me to the bus station 273 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:31,685 and they were looking to see, 274 00:13:31,769 --> 00:13:34,396 "Now, where is this representative of SNCC 275 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,857 going to sit on the bus," you know. 276 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,068 So I sat on the front. 277 00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:41,654 It wasn't a long ride, 278 00:13:41,737 --> 00:13:45,032 and there was no one else on the bus, you know? 279 00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:47,993 So there was never any confrontation. 280 00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:50,955 {\an8}♪♪ 281 00:13:51,038 --> 00:13:52,164 ♪ Beat down in ♪ 282 00:13:52,248 --> 00:13:53,791 The rumors were going around. 283 00:13:53,874 --> 00:13:56,585 There were some of these Freedom Riders 284 00:13:56,669 --> 00:13:59,672 who were invading, you know, the town. 285 00:13:59,755 --> 00:14:01,382 Hayes: And these people said they the same people 286 00:14:01,465 --> 00:14:05,052 who done beat up the White folks down in Nashville 287 00:14:05,135 --> 00:14:06,929 and -- and made them submit 288 00:14:07,012 --> 00:14:09,181 to an integrated lunch counter setup. 289 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:10,599 And they the same folks 290 00:14:10,683 --> 00:14:12,393 who have been working on the Freedom Ride. 291 00:14:12,476 --> 00:14:13,602 They're the same folks 292 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:16,105 who work with Martin and the boycotts. 293 00:14:16,188 --> 00:14:17,565 They're the same folks 294 00:14:17,648 --> 00:14:19,900 who had the sit-ins in Greensboro, North Carolina, 295 00:14:19,984 --> 00:14:22,695 and we're here to make a change in Mississippi. 296 00:14:22,778 --> 00:14:24,947 So I said, "Goddamn, this is it." 297 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:26,156 ♪ Baby, honey ♪ 298 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,616 My sister, at church, 299 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:31,036 said Martin Luther King's brother was in McComb. 300 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,621 And so we hits the road. 301 00:14:32,705 --> 00:14:34,707 And somewhere in that night, we decide to go the next day 302 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:37,334 and look for Martin Luther King's brother, 303 00:14:37,418 --> 00:14:40,337 which turns out to be Bob Moses. 304 00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:43,215 Narrator: Moore convinced Moses that the only way 305 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:45,718 to crack Mississippi was through the vote. 306 00:14:45,801 --> 00:14:47,219 The state had half a million Blacks 307 00:14:47,303 --> 00:14:49,722 but would not allow them to register. 308 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:51,140 A voting campaign 309 00:14:51,223 --> 00:14:53,559 could turn the country's attention to this injustice 310 00:14:53,642 --> 00:14:56,562 and pull the federal government into their fight. 311 00:14:59,315 --> 00:15:04,486 Now, this strategy was explained to the feds, 312 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:06,322 to the Kennedy boys. 313 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:07,698 They bought into that. 314 00:15:07,781 --> 00:15:10,826 {\an8}Because the Justice Department believes 315 00:15:10,909 --> 00:15:14,496 {\an8}that if you could break the caste system in voting 316 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:18,876 {\an8}and that there was open and free voting by all people, 317 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:21,295 that that was the quickest and best way 318 00:15:21,378 --> 00:15:23,672 to break the entire caste system. 319 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:25,257 When these boys were coming to town, 320 00:15:25,341 --> 00:15:27,801 we'd sit and talk like we sitting and talking here. 321 00:15:27,885 --> 00:15:29,219 When John Doar would come to town, 322 00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:31,930 we'd sit and talk like this, so... 323 00:15:32,014 --> 00:15:35,267 As we would talk about this stuff within our midst, 324 00:15:35,351 --> 00:15:36,602 there was the understanding 325 00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:39,188 that we were all working on the same agenda. 326 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:41,273 {\an3}We want you to come down to the courthouse tomorrow. 327 00:15:41,357 --> 00:15:44,526 {\an5}Why? 328 00:15:41,357 --> 00:15:44,526 We having a freedom day for registration 329 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:47,279 {\an3}and we want you to come down tomorrow and register. 330 00:15:47,363 --> 00:15:49,948 Now, y'all ain't gonna march. I can't march. 331 00:15:50,032 --> 00:15:51,325 No, ma'am, we not gonna march. 332 00:15:51,408 --> 00:15:52,743 We just gonna go down to the courthouse. 333 00:15:52,826 --> 00:15:54,828 {\an5}Because I ain't. 334 00:15:52,826 --> 00:15:54,828 Yes, ma'am, we understand. 335 00:15:54,912 --> 00:15:56,580 See, the strategy was you'd go out 336 00:15:56,664 --> 00:15:58,582 and talk to people about voter registration, 337 00:15:58,666 --> 00:15:59,917 bring them to the class, 338 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,460 teach them how to interpret the Constitution, 339 00:16:01,543 --> 00:16:03,962 take them to the registrar's office the next day. 340 00:16:04,046 --> 00:16:05,756 And I really think that this is something 341 00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:07,466 that I can do the rest of my life 342 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:10,636 and will still be something here to be done in this area. 343 00:16:10,719 --> 00:16:14,765 Bob's focus was to try to just hit all these little towns 344 00:16:14,848 --> 00:16:19,019 around McComb -- Tylertown, Amite, Magnolia. 345 00:16:19,103 --> 00:16:20,813 I think we ended up in Brookhaven, 346 00:16:20,896 --> 00:16:24,358 knocking on doors and trying to get people to register to vote. 347 00:16:24,441 --> 00:16:27,361 I don't remember a break from that day. 348 00:16:27,444 --> 00:16:30,155 For me, I think that was the river of no return. 349 00:16:31,532 --> 00:16:33,826 President Kennedy: A great change is at hand, 350 00:16:33,909 --> 00:16:38,539 {\an8}and our task, our obligation is to make that revolution, 351 00:16:38,622 --> 00:16:42,626 {\an8}that change peaceful and constructive for all. 352 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:46,505 {\an8}Those who do nothing are inviting shame 353 00:16:46,588 --> 00:16:48,340 {\an8}as well as violence. 354 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:49,717 {\an8}Those who act boldly 355 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,679 {\an8}are recognizing right as well as reality. 356 00:16:53,762 --> 00:16:58,517 {\an8}Friends, I'm a Mississippi segregationist, 357 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,811 {\an8}and I am proud of it. 358 00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:02,855 {\an8}[ Applause ] 359 00:17:02,938 --> 00:17:04,231 Narrator: In 1960, 360 00:17:04,314 --> 00:17:06,984 the Democratic Party became a house divided. 361 00:17:07,067 --> 00:17:09,361 John Kennedy occupied the White House, 362 00:17:09,445 --> 00:17:13,157 but Democrats called Dixiecrats ruled the South 363 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,202 and resisted any attempts at change. 364 00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:20,497 Man #2: Our forefathers did not intend to share this country 365 00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:25,210 with the Japanese or the Eskimo or the Negro as equals 366 00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:27,629 because civilization and savagery 367 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:29,298 can never be equal. 368 00:17:29,381 --> 00:17:30,883 Narrator: In Mississippi, 369 00:17:30,966 --> 00:17:33,010 segregation was written into the bylaws 370 00:17:33,093 --> 00:17:35,179 of the state's Democratic Party, 371 00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:38,891 and it was carried out by an official alliance of lawmakers, 372 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:43,353 police forces, and White citizens' councils. 373 00:17:43,437 --> 00:17:46,398 The Magnolia state would be the battleground 374 00:17:46,482 --> 00:17:48,650 for the South's last stand. 375 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:51,445 [ "Dixie" playing ] 376 00:17:51,528 --> 00:17:54,490 Moses: From the governor through the legislature, 377 00:17:54,573 --> 00:17:57,826 through the judiciary, down through the sheriffs 378 00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:02,080 and all the counties and the highway patrolmen, 379 00:18:02,164 --> 00:18:05,959 the whole state was organized 380 00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:09,421 to promote and enforce racism. 381 00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:10,881 Right? 382 00:18:10,964 --> 00:18:15,010 And it was a kind of little South African enclave 383 00:18:15,093 --> 00:18:16,845 within the United States. 384 00:18:16,929 --> 00:18:19,431 We have had experience in the past 385 00:18:19,515 --> 00:18:22,392 with Negro political domination. 386 00:18:22,476 --> 00:18:25,020 It was known as the Reconstruction. 387 00:18:25,103 --> 00:18:27,981 There are some who call this present attempt 388 00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:30,275 to build up political power 389 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,115 through the mass registration of unqualified Negro voters 390 00:18:36,198 --> 00:18:37,866 the Second Reconstruction. 391 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:41,245 They were very strict on that voter registration question. 392 00:18:41,328 --> 00:18:44,122 It was like, "Y'all ain't gonna register to vote, period." 393 00:18:44,206 --> 00:18:46,792 No, you didn't pass it. You see there? 394 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:48,126 You didn't fill out -- 395 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:50,087 You just filled out that part. 396 00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:51,922 You didn't write anything in there. 397 00:18:52,005 --> 00:18:53,257 You didn't pass it. 398 00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:57,010 {\an1}You have to fill it out complete before you pass. 399 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:02,307 They failed me and told me 400 00:19:02,391 --> 00:19:04,977 I was disqualified to register. 401 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,478 My son -- four years in college, 402 00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:08,689 and he's the secretary of the NAACP. 403 00:19:08,772 --> 00:19:10,232 And he didn't pass. 404 00:19:10,315 --> 00:19:13,193 Nobody asked me any question except how old I was 405 00:19:13,277 --> 00:19:17,030 and didn't ask any interpretation of anything. 406 00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:18,824 And I said, "Well, I-I can't answer that." 407 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:20,659 And then he laughed, and he says, 408 00:19:20,742 --> 00:19:23,871 "Well, this is the question that we give to some," 409 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:26,456 meaning that this was the question that they give 410 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,041 to many of the Negroes, 411 00:19:28,125 --> 00:19:31,420 a question that they knew that they couldn't answer. 412 00:19:31,503 --> 00:19:34,173 Narrator: SNCC joined with other civil rights groups like CORE 413 00:19:34,256 --> 00:19:36,884 and the NAACP to form COFO, 414 00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:39,845 the Council of Federated Organizations. 415 00:19:39,928 --> 00:19:41,513 Word of their efforts spread quickly 416 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:45,183 through the surrounding counties and local Whites responded, 417 00:19:45,267 --> 00:19:46,643 Mississippi style. 418 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:49,980 ♪ Well, you can count them one by one ♪ 419 00:19:50,063 --> 00:19:52,274 ♪ It could be your son ♪ 420 00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:54,735 ♪ Count them two by two ♪ 421 00:19:54,818 --> 00:19:56,862 ♪ It could be me or you ♪ 422 00:19:56,945 --> 00:19:59,531 ♪ Count them three by three ♪ 423 00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:03,076 Doar: Southwest Mississippi was peculiar even for that area 424 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,873 because it was like you were back in the 17th century. 425 00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:09,917 It was very rural. 426 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,128 It was isolated and it was. 427 00:20:13,211 --> 00:20:15,255 It was mean country. 428 00:20:15,339 --> 00:20:18,550 ♪ Count them five by five ♪ 429 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:21,178 Man #3: Several of us were actually beaten, 430 00:20:21,261 --> 00:20:24,765 and I was arrested also in connection 431 00:20:24,848 --> 00:20:27,976 with taking people to the registrar's office. 432 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:30,771 ♪ In Mississippi, they got it fixed ♪ 433 00:20:30,854 --> 00:20:33,815 Narrator: Less than three months after Moses' arrival, 434 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:36,902 a White state legislator named E.H. Hurst 435 00:20:36,985 --> 00:20:38,487 {\an8}drew his revolver on a Black man 436 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:41,865 {\an8}involved in the voter registration campaign. 437 00:20:41,949 --> 00:20:45,410 Herbert Lee, a member of the NAACP, 438 00:20:45,494 --> 00:20:47,496 farmer and father of nine, 439 00:20:47,579 --> 00:20:50,123 was killed by a bullet to the head. 440 00:20:50,207 --> 00:20:53,085 Hurst claimed self-defense and was acquitted. 441 00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:54,836 Herbert Lee was one of the first people to go down 442 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,296 and register to vote in Amite County 443 00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:59,549 that Bob had taken down. 444 00:20:59,633 --> 00:21:02,219 Moses: Hurst and Lee knew each other, 445 00:21:02,302 --> 00:21:05,681 played together when they were young. 446 00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:10,978 Even into their adult life had helped each other, 447 00:21:11,061 --> 00:21:16,733 but Hurst was deeply affected by Lee's involvement 448 00:21:16,817 --> 00:21:19,319 in this kind of political activity. 449 00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:23,323 And he felt that it was within his purveyance 450 00:21:23,407 --> 00:21:27,452 to actually -- to assassinate Lee. 451 00:21:27,536 --> 00:21:32,791 ♪ We have walked through ♪ 452 00:21:32,874 --> 00:21:37,045 ♪ The shadows of death ♪ 453 00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:41,216 Moses: We took it upon ourselves to go out nightly 454 00:21:41,299 --> 00:21:47,014 searching for people who had witnessed the killings. 455 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:50,434 It was really very scary. 456 00:21:50,517 --> 00:21:53,228 You were afraid of every headlight 457 00:21:53,311 --> 00:21:56,481 that came up either behind you or passed you. 458 00:21:56,565 --> 00:22:00,235 ♪ Turn back ♪ 459 00:22:00,318 --> 00:22:01,862 I mean, it was terrible, 460 00:22:01,945 --> 00:22:05,323 but we -- we looked to see what jurisdic-- 461 00:22:05,407 --> 00:22:08,326 We tried to have -- We had an FBI investigation. 462 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:11,663 We never were able to make a criminal case out of that. 463 00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:13,665 That was our first encounter with this. 464 00:22:13,749 --> 00:22:17,669 And in many ways, I was directly involved 465 00:22:17,753 --> 00:22:21,298 and took -- felt personal responsibility. 466 00:22:21,381 --> 00:22:24,593 Well... 467 00:22:24,676 --> 00:22:28,430 well, a problem there is that many -- 468 00:22:28,513 --> 00:22:31,349 I had to come to grips with that problem 469 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:32,434 a long time ago 470 00:22:32,517 --> 00:22:34,352 in terms in my own self. 471 00:22:34,436 --> 00:22:36,730 And there's a real moral question 472 00:22:36,813 --> 00:22:39,649 in terms of involvement of other people. 473 00:22:39,733 --> 00:22:41,526 Um... 474 00:22:41,610 --> 00:22:44,738 one way is that to -- to be very careful 475 00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:47,240 about telling people about the risks involved 476 00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,533 so that there is no -- 477 00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:51,119 So that they have their own decision to make 478 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:53,538 as to whether they're willing to risk that -- 479 00:22:53,622 --> 00:22:54,790 that kind of danger. 480 00:22:54,873 --> 00:22:58,335 And -- and the question of personal fear 481 00:22:58,418 --> 00:23:01,588 just has to be constantly fraught. 482 00:23:01,671 --> 00:23:05,425 I mean, it's just something that's an inside question. 483 00:23:05,509 --> 00:23:08,887 {\an8}♪♪ 484 00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:11,264 Man #4: To which there's no easy answer. 485 00:23:11,348 --> 00:23:14,810 I-I don't know if there's an answer at all. 486 00:23:14,893 --> 00:23:19,064 ♪ Turn back ♪ 487 00:23:19,147 --> 00:23:22,526 And I remember Bob just devastated by what had happened. 488 00:23:22,609 --> 00:23:24,903 By this time, Bob is my -- 489 00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:27,239 You know, he's my little Jesus, you know what I'm saying? 490 00:23:27,322 --> 00:23:30,117 And I'm angry. I mean, to see him sad was like, 491 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,244 you know, that was enough for me to go find the cat 492 00:23:32,327 --> 00:23:33,912 that killed Herbert Lee myself, you know. 493 00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:39,459 That really sort of symbolized signing over in blood, 494 00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:41,086 right, to this struggle. 495 00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:43,296 So that was clear now -- 496 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:47,425 "Well, they will have to kill us to get us out of here." 497 00:23:47,509 --> 00:23:54,015 ♪ Never turn back ♪ 498 00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:58,603 Narrator: COFO set out to organize the rest of the state. 499 00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,772 This was something that we had not had, 500 00:24:00,856 --> 00:24:03,275 we had not really thought about it a lot. 501 00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:04,442 Certainly I had not. 502 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:05,694 It was just something 503 00:24:05,777 --> 00:24:07,195 you expected never to participate in. 504 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,030 And all of a sudden, whatever had been going on 505 00:24:09,114 --> 00:24:11,283 in the rest of the world was coming to Mississippi, 506 00:24:11,366 --> 00:24:14,202 and we were gonna be part of it. 507 00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:16,037 We had heard about people who have been beaten. 508 00:24:16,121 --> 00:24:18,248 We've known about the folks who had been killed 509 00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:20,000 for trying to exercise this privilege. 510 00:24:20,083 --> 00:24:21,793 When they got to Shelby, we were ready. 511 00:24:21,877 --> 00:24:24,171 We were just, "Tell us what to do and where to go." 512 00:24:24,254 --> 00:24:25,922 ♪ Get your rights, Jack ♪ 513 00:24:26,006 --> 00:24:30,135 ♪ And don't be a 'Tom' no more, no more, no more, no more ♪ 514 00:24:30,218 --> 00:24:31,970 ♪ Get your rights, Jack ♪ 515 00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:35,849 ♪ And don't be a 'Tom' no more ♪ 516 00:24:35,932 --> 00:24:39,227 We'd go and we'd go to the church and make up the flyers 517 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:40,520 and pass them out 518 00:24:40,604 --> 00:24:42,898 and people come to church. and we'd talk. 519 00:24:42,981 --> 00:24:46,693 And if somebody come tell us we got to get out of town, 520 00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:48,486 we get on out of town and go to the next town. 521 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:51,489 ♪ Oh, CORE, oh, CORE, don't you treat me this way ♪ 522 00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:54,284 ♪ I'll take my freedom ride someday ♪ 523 00:24:54,367 --> 00:24:57,245 ♪ Oh, no, you won't 'cause it's understood ♪ 524 00:24:57,329 --> 00:25:00,332 ♪ You're an Uncle Tom and you're just no good ♪ 525 00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:03,335 Dorsey: And we were eagerly anticipating the folks 526 00:25:03,418 --> 00:25:05,837 coming to bring freedom to Mississippi. 527 00:25:05,921 --> 00:25:07,214 ♪ That's right ♪ 528 00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:08,673 Hayes: We'd load up in the car 529 00:25:08,757 --> 00:25:10,133 and we get over there early in the morning. 530 00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:11,885 We stop at this big, fat preacher's house 531 00:25:11,968 --> 00:25:14,012 and tell him what we were there for. 532 00:25:14,095 --> 00:25:15,889 And he's so excited. 533 00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:18,433 And his wife starts bringing out the sausage 534 00:25:18,516 --> 00:25:20,685 and the biscuits and the molasses and the milk. 535 00:25:20,769 --> 00:25:22,687 And every time we emptied the table, 536 00:25:22,771 --> 00:25:24,022 she'd bring out some more 537 00:25:24,105 --> 00:25:26,149 and we just eat ourselves to death. 538 00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:28,944 ♪ Oh, no, you won't 'cause it's understood ♪ 539 00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:31,571 Holland: I heard there's some outside agitators 540 00:25:31,655 --> 00:25:34,366 had come to town to stir up trouble 541 00:25:34,449 --> 00:25:36,701 between the White and the coloreds 542 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:39,537 and that they weren't gonna have anything to do with them. 543 00:25:39,621 --> 00:25:41,373 I immediately start looking for them 544 00:25:41,456 --> 00:25:43,333 because if they was new men in town, 545 00:25:43,416 --> 00:25:45,210 I wanted to turn a trick with them. 546 00:25:45,293 --> 00:25:48,004 I figured maybe they'd have some money. 547 00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:50,882 I was trying to walk behind them and talk. 548 00:25:50,966 --> 00:25:53,635 "Hey, hey, there. Hey, you." You know? 549 00:25:53,718 --> 00:25:56,638 He wasn't excited about me and all he was interested in 550 00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:59,516 is getting me into the office to work. 551 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:01,935 So when he opened the door to go inside, 552 00:26:02,018 --> 00:26:05,146 I looked inside and I saw Emma Belle, 553 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:08,733 who's a legend in the civil rights movement. 554 00:26:08,817 --> 00:26:11,653 I saw her sitting at a typewriter, typing, 555 00:26:11,736 --> 00:26:13,488 and I had never seen a Black woman 556 00:26:13,571 --> 00:26:15,991 that could type like this woman could type. 557 00:26:16,074 --> 00:26:17,742 You know, she was typing. 558 00:26:17,826 --> 00:26:20,245 She wasn't even looking down at the paper. 559 00:26:20,328 --> 00:26:23,123 So I said to myself, "Oh, she's -- she's typing 560 00:26:23,206 --> 00:26:24,916 a whole lot of P's and Q's. 561 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,335 She don't know what's she doing." 562 00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:29,587 And I went on inside the office. 563 00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:33,008 I was scared to death because Mama had told me, 564 00:26:33,091 --> 00:26:35,552 "Don't go down near there, fooling with those folks" 565 00:26:35,635 --> 00:26:38,305 because she had to live in this town. 566 00:26:38,388 --> 00:26:39,556 And I went on inside. 567 00:26:39,639 --> 00:26:41,766 The first thing I did once I got inside 568 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:43,935 was go look over Emma Belle's shoulder 569 00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:45,979 and see what she really was typing. 570 00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:47,480 She hadn't missed a word. 571 00:26:47,564 --> 00:26:51,067 The people had read in the state newspapers, 572 00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:54,946 you know, the regular media that these people are communist, 573 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:56,948 these people are, et cetera. 574 00:26:57,032 --> 00:26:59,743 And the Black community was about as afraid of them 575 00:26:59,826 --> 00:27:01,077 as anybody else, you know? 576 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:03,788 My mother was dismayed. 577 00:27:03,872 --> 00:27:06,583 She was scared. She was disgusted. 578 00:27:06,666 --> 00:27:10,462 She would always say to my other sister and brothers, 579 00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:13,381 "When this old girl, this child that I've had, 580 00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:15,633 she's the biggest fool in the world. 581 00:27:15,717 --> 00:27:18,011 She'll run out there and get involved 582 00:27:18,094 --> 00:27:19,554 against the White folk." 583 00:27:19,637 --> 00:27:21,931 And she would always tell me, "Girl, don't you bring 584 00:27:22,015 --> 00:27:24,142 none of them Freedom Riders here to my house." 585 00:27:24,225 --> 00:27:27,937 Not a single church would -- would -- would receive them. 586 00:27:28,021 --> 00:27:32,233 And so we opened St. John to them in Palmers Crossing. 587 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:37,405 We have been thinking that the White people kept us down, 588 00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,324 but they didn't. You know what did it? 589 00:27:39,407 --> 00:27:41,201 Our fear... 590 00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:43,787 of a jailhouse kept us down. 591 00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:45,497 [ Cheers and applause ] 592 00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:47,999 Hayes: We would quote from the Bible sometimes. 593 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:49,459 We'd make a subject and a text 594 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,294 just like the preacher would do it. 595 00:27:51,378 --> 00:27:52,879 You know, I remember my favorite sermon 596 00:27:52,962 --> 00:27:55,840 was Moses and his stick and the stick was the vote. 597 00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:57,342 Gray Adams: And then they completed that 598 00:27:57,425 --> 00:27:59,010 by asking for a show of hands 599 00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:01,679 of people who would be willing to go down 600 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:03,264 to the courthouse tomorrow. 601 00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:05,809 I expected to see lots of hands go up. 602 00:28:05,892 --> 00:28:09,020 They didn't, so, you know, I... 603 00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:13,233 raised mine and, uh, three men -- 604 00:28:13,316 --> 00:28:16,861 bus drivers, school-bus drivers, 605 00:28:16,945 --> 00:28:18,988 We were the ones who committed 606 00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:21,866 to going to the courthouse. 607 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:26,955 We went down today and by...tonight, 608 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:29,207 probably the bus drivers didn't have a job, 609 00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:31,501 certainly not later than the next day. 610 00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:33,211 All the bus drivers had been fired. 611 00:28:33,294 --> 00:28:36,381 One day I was up in North Bolivar County, 612 00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:38,925 someplace on a plantation, 613 00:28:39,008 --> 00:28:41,678 and I went up to this White man and told him who I was 614 00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:45,140 and that I wanted to see if he had any objection 615 00:28:45,223 --> 00:28:47,809 to me talking to his people about registered to vote. 616 00:28:47,892 --> 00:28:49,978 And he was so nice. He said, "No, I don't." 617 00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:51,980 I was saying, "Gee, this is gonna be a piece of cake." 618 00:28:52,063 --> 00:28:54,566 And as I was walking away, he called to me and said, 619 00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:58,403 "Oh, by the way, when you finish registering them to vote, 620 00:28:58,486 --> 00:28:59,863 don't bring them back here. 621 00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:01,364 Take them to your house." 622 00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:05,869 And that just stopped me cold 623 00:29:05,952 --> 00:29:08,997 because I was living in this condemned house myself 624 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,791 that wasn't fit for people to be living in. 625 00:29:11,875 --> 00:29:15,295 I had no place, I had no job. 626 00:29:15,378 --> 00:29:18,381 {\an8}♪♪ 627 00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:22,385 You asking people to challenge the system and traditions, 628 00:29:22,469 --> 00:29:25,180 and you had to be prepared for the responsibility 629 00:29:25,263 --> 00:29:26,598 of what happened to those folks 630 00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:29,267 when -- when they followed your instructions 631 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:30,768 or listened to your pleadings 632 00:29:30,852 --> 00:29:33,521 or decide to join a movement with you on the spot 633 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,899 that you became responsible for the folks 634 00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:38,776 and their families and their welfare. 635 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:45,992 {\an8}♪♪ 636 00:29:46,075 --> 00:29:49,037 Hayes: The delta was really a terrible sight 637 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,288 during this period. 638 00:29:50,371 --> 00:29:52,290 I mean, you drive through this plantation, 639 00:29:52,373 --> 00:29:57,962 a plantation shack was really a one-room house falling down. 640 00:29:58,046 --> 00:30:01,758 That was the typical plantation shack with pieces of lumber 641 00:30:01,841 --> 00:30:05,303 and tin and stuff flying different directions 642 00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:08,556 and rotted porches and hanging doors 643 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,849 and busted-out windows. 644 00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:12,060 I mean, it was just terrible conditions 645 00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:13,478 that people would be living in. 646 00:30:13,561 --> 00:30:18,816 {\an8}♪♪ 647 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:24,030 {\an8}♪♪ 648 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:26,324 Woman: I've been tied a long time 649 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:28,826 in the state of Mississippi, 650 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:30,995 living in the county 651 00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,165 where James O. Eastland, the senator, 652 00:30:34,249 --> 00:30:38,711 and Senator Stennis can go to Washington 653 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:41,297 and tell the people that the people of Mississippi, 654 00:30:41,381 --> 00:30:46,177 the Negroes, are getting along good and we are satisfied. 655 00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:49,305 But I want him to know this -- both of them -- 656 00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:50,682 we are not satisfied, 657 00:30:50,765 --> 00:30:52,600 and we haven't been satisfied a long time. 658 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:54,477 ♪ We're gonna walk, walk ♪ 659 00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,396 ♪ We're gonna walk, walk ♪ 660 00:30:56,479 --> 00:30:58,523 ♪ We're gonna walk, walk ♪ 661 00:30:58,606 --> 00:31:01,109 ♪ With your mind on freedom ♪ 662 00:31:01,192 --> 00:31:04,654 There was this wonderful woman on the bus there 663 00:31:04,737 --> 00:31:08,449 who sang every church song that you can imagine. 664 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:13,121 And she really sort of lit up the bus with her spirit. 665 00:31:13,204 --> 00:31:15,915 ♪ Let my people go ♪ 666 00:31:15,999 --> 00:31:18,084 Moses: She was our mama in the movement. 667 00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:19,794 I mean, she was, like, 668 00:31:19,877 --> 00:31:21,796 she represented that spirit for us. 669 00:31:21,879 --> 00:31:24,882 ♪ Over the hills and everywhere ♪ 670 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:27,302 Moses: We were all children, 671 00:31:27,385 --> 00:31:29,762 and she was one of those who came forward 672 00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:31,472 to tell us something. 673 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:34,267 ♪ Let my people go ♪ 674 00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:37,562 Hamer: You can pray until you faint. 675 00:31:37,645 --> 00:31:40,690 But if you don't get up and try to do something, 676 00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:43,568 God is not gonna put it in your lap. 677 00:31:43,651 --> 00:31:46,154 Narrator: Fannie Lou Hamer had been a plantation timekeeper 678 00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:47,739 for 18 years. 679 00:31:47,822 --> 00:31:51,701 The day she registered to vote, she was fired and evicted. 680 00:31:51,784 --> 00:31:55,121 She joined SNCC as a full-time field secretary 681 00:31:55,204 --> 00:31:58,291 and became a powerful voice in the civil rights movement. 682 00:31:58,374 --> 00:32:00,293 Hamer: We are not afraid. 683 00:32:00,376 --> 00:32:06,090 ♪ We are not afraid ♪ 684 00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:08,509 Moses: Mrs. Hamer was an inspiration, I think, 685 00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:10,053 to everyone. 686 00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:13,681 She really represented what everyone 687 00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:17,268 was trying to organize for and struggle for, 688 00:32:17,352 --> 00:32:23,733 which was the transformation from the bottom of the society, 689 00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:26,277 the people who were sharecroppers 690 00:32:26,361 --> 00:32:31,074 living on those plantations, the promise of their being able 691 00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:35,995 to find their inner spirit and energy 692 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:41,459 and put that to the service of a great social movement. 693 00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:43,670 And Mrs. Hamer, more than anyone else, 694 00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:46,881 came to symbolize that transformation. 695 00:32:46,964 --> 00:32:51,302 You see, we are human beings, and we are not stopping now 696 00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:53,596 till we get something that's better. 697 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,391 We worked all these years for nothing. 698 00:32:56,474 --> 00:33:00,478 Women have gone to the field and worked from 10 to 12 hours 699 00:33:00,561 --> 00:33:02,105 for $3 a day. 700 00:33:02,188 --> 00:33:04,524 And I know what it is to suffer. 701 00:33:04,607 --> 00:33:06,859 And I know what it is to be hungry, 702 00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:09,112 and we are not going to stop 703 00:33:09,195 --> 00:33:11,447 even if I have to give up my life. 704 00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:13,282 We'll make it better for some child. 705 00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:17,662 ♪ Oh, I've got the light of freedom ♪ 706 00:33:17,745 --> 00:33:20,289 ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ 707 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:23,543 ♪ Oh, I've got the light of freedom ♪ 708 00:33:23,626 --> 00:33:25,503 So the excitement was -- 709 00:33:25,586 --> 00:33:27,630 was -- was this feeling of camaraderie, 710 00:33:27,714 --> 00:33:30,133 just knowing that you had somebody with you 711 00:33:30,216 --> 00:33:32,427 that was putting their life on the line 712 00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:35,638 just like you and a belief that you are invincible, 713 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:37,932 the belief that your cause was right. 714 00:33:38,015 --> 00:33:39,809 ♪ In the streets, Lord ♪ 715 00:33:39,892 --> 00:33:41,728 ♪ I'm gonna let it shine ♪ 716 00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:43,521 ♪ Oh, ho ho ♪ 717 00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:45,982 All of a sudden, for the first time in my life, 718 00:33:46,065 --> 00:33:48,192 I'm accepted. I'm part of the family. 719 00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:50,278 I'm part of the community. I'm treated as an equal. 720 00:33:50,361 --> 00:33:52,363 I'm treated as somebody who can be listened to, 721 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:55,366 who have ideas, who have something contribute. 722 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,660 ♪ Let it shine, let it shine ♪ 723 00:33:57,744 --> 00:33:59,829 ♪ Let it shine ♪ 724 00:33:59,912 --> 00:34:01,247 Alright. 725 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:04,500 ♪ Well, I woke up this morning with my mind ♪ 726 00:34:04,584 --> 00:34:07,044 Holland: The movement was the beginning 727 00:34:07,128 --> 00:34:08,379 of me finding myself. 728 00:34:08,463 --> 00:34:09,714 I felt that the movement 729 00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:12,216 is the greatest thing I've ever seen, 730 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,596 and I had a respect for people who started taken the stand 731 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,932 and made me feel good and people start looking at me. 732 00:34:20,016 --> 00:34:23,352 I would feel so proud when I would go to Tougaloo 733 00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:25,396 and I slept in Anne Moody's room. 734 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,065 You know, I would feel like, 735 00:34:27,148 --> 00:34:29,442 "Well, one day I'm going to be this great. 736 00:34:29,525 --> 00:34:31,861 I'm gonna be in college, you know." 737 00:34:31,944 --> 00:34:34,572 I wanted to be like them. I wanted to sound like them. 738 00:34:34,655 --> 00:34:38,576 I wanted to understand what the movement was about. 739 00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:41,120 Chief: This is an announcement. 740 00:34:41,204 --> 00:34:45,291 We will ask you first what your intentions are. 741 00:34:45,374 --> 00:34:47,835 Woman #2: We are going to the courthouse 742 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,253 to register voters. 743 00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:51,756 Holland: Chief LaRue was looked on with awe 744 00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:54,091 simply because he was the chief of police 745 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:57,261 and he had the last word on everything. 746 00:34:57,345 --> 00:35:00,932 And as usual, somebody pushed me forward. 747 00:35:01,015 --> 00:35:03,851 We would like to go on to the courthouse. 748 00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:06,270 Because I saw the look on his face. 749 00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:09,065 "Here is Ida Mae's girl up here." 750 00:35:09,148 --> 00:35:12,193 He was just stunned. He didn't know what to do. 751 00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:14,111 And for the first time in my life, 752 00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:17,448 I saw indecision in Chief LaRue's face 753 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:20,159 and that made me feel so proud. 754 00:35:20,243 --> 00:35:23,871 People start looking up into my face, into my eyes, 755 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:26,624 say, "That cat is sure enough tough, isn't she?" 756 00:35:26,707 --> 00:35:30,086 I wasn't so tough. I was scared on every march. 757 00:35:30,169 --> 00:35:32,046 But I knew that I couldn't turn back. 758 00:35:32,129 --> 00:35:34,257 Something just wouldn't let me turn back. 759 00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:41,973 {\an8}♪♪ 760 00:35:42,056 --> 00:35:44,684 It was so beautiful to see people 761 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:48,229 like Miss Lulabelle Johnson and Miss McGee. 762 00:35:48,312 --> 00:35:51,274 They would be walking with pride. 763 00:35:51,357 --> 00:35:54,110 And their titties would be sticking out 764 00:35:54,193 --> 00:35:56,028 a whole, long way in front of them, 765 00:35:56,112 --> 00:35:57,989 almost so you could see their titties 766 00:35:58,072 --> 00:36:00,074 a block before you see them, 767 00:36:00,157 --> 00:36:02,535 but they'd be walking with such pride 768 00:36:02,618 --> 00:36:04,412 and they'd be marching. 769 00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:06,831 And I remember myself trying to walk 770 00:36:06,914 --> 00:36:09,166 with that heavy step that they used. 771 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:12,378 Looked like the earth would catch their feet 772 00:36:12,461 --> 00:36:13,754 and hold them. 773 00:36:13,838 --> 00:36:18,217 ♪ For the child ♪ 774 00:36:18,301 --> 00:36:22,221 ♪ That I love ♪ 775 00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:24,640 ♪ Lift me up ♪ -♪ Lift me up ♪ 776 00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:27,059 -♪ Lift me up ♪ -♪ Lift me up ♪ 777 00:36:27,143 --> 00:36:29,186 -♪ Lift me way up ♪ -♪ Lift me up ♪ 778 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,564 ♪ Lift me on up ♪ 779 00:36:31,647 --> 00:36:34,525 Holland: But these women would walk their walk, you know, 780 00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:36,611 and then when they -- when they get up 781 00:36:36,694 --> 00:36:40,072 and they'd see the human barricade of policing, 782 00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,992 they start talking that talk and singing them songs, 783 00:36:43,075 --> 00:36:45,119 and saying, "I ain't scared of your jail 784 00:36:45,202 --> 00:36:46,662 'cause I want my freedom. 785 00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:49,165 I ain't gonna let nobody turn me around, 786 00:36:49,248 --> 00:36:50,708 gonna keep on marching." 787 00:36:50,791 --> 00:36:52,293 ♪ ...turn me around ♪ 788 00:36:52,376 --> 00:36:55,379 ♪ I'm gonna keep on a-walkin', keep on a-talkin' ♪ 789 00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:57,590 ♪ Marchin' up to freedom land ♪ 790 00:36:57,673 --> 00:37:00,760 ♪ Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around ♪ 791 00:37:00,843 --> 00:37:03,679 ♪ Turn me around, turn me around ♪ 792 00:37:03,763 --> 00:37:06,933 ♪ Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around ♪ 793 00:37:07,016 --> 00:37:09,560 ♪ I'm gonna keep on a-walkin', keep on a-talkin' ♪ 794 00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:12,355 Moses: Well, I found out that I could do it. 795 00:37:12,438 --> 00:37:15,858 I didn't think of it so much about dying, 796 00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:17,360 about how are you gonna die? 797 00:37:17,443 --> 00:37:20,655 What the thing was, how are you gonna live, right? 798 00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:25,242 Holland: Bob was so gentle and so kind. 799 00:37:25,326 --> 00:37:27,078 You couldn't ask for anybody better. 800 00:37:27,161 --> 00:37:29,080 He'd plan strategy. 801 00:37:29,163 --> 00:37:30,831 He got people out of jail. 802 00:37:30,915 --> 00:37:33,501 He calmed nerves. He soothed feelings. 803 00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:37,004 He made everybody feel like they had a part to play. 804 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,340 I remember one time, he pointed to me, he said, 805 00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,760 "Now, Ida, now, you've been to jail before. 806 00:37:42,843 --> 00:37:44,136 You know how to go to jail." 807 00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:46,931 I was glad to say, "Yes, Bob. I do know." 808 00:37:47,014 --> 00:37:49,308 I was glad to be used for something. 809 00:37:49,392 --> 00:37:53,854 Where the whole town, to me, was looking down its nose at me, 810 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:57,942 the movement said to me, I was somebody. 811 00:37:58,025 --> 00:37:59,860 I was somebody, they said. 812 00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:01,278 ♪ ...let it shine ♪ 813 00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:03,698 ♪ Oh, light of freedom ♪ 814 00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:06,951 Dorsey: The movement exposed you to people 815 00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:08,452 who lived differently. 816 00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:12,415 I expose you to ideas and interests and concerns 817 00:38:12,498 --> 00:38:14,417 and for the first time, 818 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,211 introduce the possibility of a different life 819 00:38:17,294 --> 00:38:19,839 than just picking and chopping cotton. 820 00:38:19,922 --> 00:38:23,634 It unleashed yearnings in me. 821 00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:26,053 I felt like I had come home. 822 00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:29,765 All of my life, I had felt kind of odd -- 823 00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:32,893 the way I thought, the way I felt, 824 00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:35,855 the things that I was willing to do. 825 00:38:35,938 --> 00:38:39,608 And then here were some people who talked my language, 826 00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:42,653 who apparently thought the way I did 827 00:38:42,737 --> 00:38:45,656 and were really willing to take risk. 828 00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:48,993 And I just felt like, "Ha. Finally." 829 00:38:49,076 --> 00:38:51,537 I went looking for Martin Luther King's brother 830 00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:53,831 to find my heroes in the movement. 831 00:38:53,914 --> 00:38:59,170 And in addition to that, I find also a family setting. 832 00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:02,840 I mean, this was a turning point in my life. 833 00:39:05,092 --> 00:39:07,470 I was in heaven for a minute. 834 00:39:07,553 --> 00:39:11,849 [ Indistinct yelling ] 835 00:39:11,932 --> 00:39:13,851 Narrator: In June of 1963, 836 00:39:13,934 --> 00:39:17,480 President Kennedy sent the civil rights bill to Congress. 837 00:39:17,563 --> 00:39:20,733 It banned discrimination in public places. 838 00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,319 The South rose up to oppose it. 839 00:39:23,402 --> 00:39:26,906 ...will give the niggers special privilege 840 00:39:26,989 --> 00:39:28,991 and more rights than us White people 841 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:31,702 contrary to the United States Constitution. 842 00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:34,121 -Alright! -Alright! 843 00:39:34,205 --> 00:39:36,415 Narrator: Federal takeover of civil rights enforcement 844 00:39:36,499 --> 00:39:38,042 appeared imminent. 845 00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:41,295 Local Whites, afraid of losing control, 846 00:39:41,378 --> 00:39:43,464 took matters into their own hands. 847 00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:47,885 ♪ I've been in the storm ♪ 848 00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:50,054 I don't know -- I don't know who set the bomb, 849 00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:51,764 but it was probably because 850 00:39:51,847 --> 00:39:53,933 of my activities in the movement. 851 00:39:54,016 --> 00:39:56,685 You know, I don't know who threw the fire, 852 00:39:56,769 --> 00:40:00,648 but there were some people who saw an explosion, 853 00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:04,151 like somebody had thrown a bomb into our house. 854 00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:06,195 And my mama was in there, 855 00:40:06,278 --> 00:40:09,990 and she was in a wheelchair, you know, she couldn't walk. 856 00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:13,077 My mama died. Mama died. 857 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,121 I remember she died in the Greenwood Leflore Hospital 858 00:40:15,204 --> 00:40:17,998 a few days later. 859 00:40:18,082 --> 00:40:21,961 And my -- my most vivid memory of this time 860 00:40:22,044 --> 00:40:27,591 is the nurses, who I heard one of them say, uh, 861 00:40:27,675 --> 00:40:32,638 "I don't want to take care of that old, stinking Black woman." 862 00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:34,932 ♪ Ohhhh ♪ 863 00:40:35,015 --> 00:40:37,601 ♪ Give me a little time ♪ 864 00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:39,395 ♪ To pray ♪ 865 00:40:39,478 --> 00:40:41,605 I was trying to keep as many licks 866 00:40:41,689 --> 00:40:43,149 off of that side as I could. 867 00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:46,068 Narrator: Returning from a voter registration workshop, 868 00:40:46,152 --> 00:40:48,779 Fannie Lou Hamer and five other women were arrested 869 00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:52,616 in the Whites-only section of a Mississippi bus station. 870 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:54,118 And I was beat. 871 00:40:54,201 --> 00:40:56,787 I was beat and I was screaming. 872 00:40:56,871 --> 00:40:59,832 Then one of the White men that was sitting down, 873 00:40:59,915 --> 00:41:02,543 he got up and started beating me in the head, 874 00:41:02,626 --> 00:41:04,712 but I couldn't keep from screaming 875 00:41:04,795 --> 00:41:07,840 because it was horrible. 876 00:41:07,923 --> 00:41:09,341 Narrator: Three days later, 877 00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:12,928 the head of Mississippi's NAACP, Medgar Evers, 878 00:41:13,012 --> 00:41:15,472 was murdered in the driveway of his home, 879 00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:17,808 shot in the back with a high-powered rifle. 880 00:41:17,892 --> 00:41:22,271 ♪ But they laid Medgar Evers ♪ 881 00:41:22,354 --> 00:41:25,941 ♪ In his grave ♪ 882 00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:29,653 It was like living in a foreign country 883 00:41:29,737 --> 00:41:31,864 where you were challenging the powers to be. 884 00:41:31,947 --> 00:41:33,532 And it was with no protection. 885 00:41:33,616 --> 00:41:36,493 There were no courts to concern themselves about our lives. 886 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:42,833 The FBI was not down to protect us from a crime or violence. 887 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:44,126 There were no law enforcement -- 888 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:45,669 local and state law-enforcement officers 889 00:41:45,753 --> 00:41:47,004 that would protect us. 890 00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,381 So it was a very scary period. 891 00:41:49,465 --> 00:41:57,348 {\an8}♪♪ 892 00:41:57,431 --> 00:42:03,020 Gray Adams: I understood clearly that unless we found ways 893 00:42:03,103 --> 00:42:06,440 to focus national attention 894 00:42:06,523 --> 00:42:08,817 on what was happening in Mississippi 895 00:42:08,901 --> 00:42:10,819 that they were gonna wear us down... 896 00:42:10,903 --> 00:42:12,321 ♪ Odinga ♪ 897 00:42:12,404 --> 00:42:15,699 ...shoot us out or whatever was necessary 898 00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:16,867 to stop us. 899 00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:19,078 ♪ To see your kingdom ♪ 900 00:42:19,161 --> 00:42:22,248 Doar: They thought the Justice Department should do more. 901 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:25,584 And specifically, I told them 902 00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:29,046 that we could not protect them... 903 00:42:29,129 --> 00:42:30,381 in Mississippi. 904 00:42:30,464 --> 00:42:32,174 ♪ Oooohhh ♪ 905 00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:33,634 ♪ Ha ♪ 906 00:42:33,717 --> 00:42:38,639 ♪ Oooh oooh ooooohh ♪ 907 00:42:38,722 --> 00:42:39,932 ♪ Ha ♪ 908 00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:45,562 ♪ Freedom now ♪ 909 00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:46,814 ♪ Ha ♪ 910 00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:52,319 ♪ Freedom now ♪ 911 00:42:52,403 --> 00:42:53,612 ♪ Ha ♪ 912 00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:55,322 Narrator: The voter registration campaign 913 00:42:55,406 --> 00:42:56,740 was stalled. 914 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,075 In the county where COFO 915 00:42:58,158 --> 00:43:00,244 had concentrated most of its efforts, 916 00:43:00,327 --> 00:43:03,497 less than 100 Blacks could vote. 917 00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:04,873 Although President Lyndon Johnson 918 00:43:04,957 --> 00:43:07,126 would sign the Civil Rights Act into law, 919 00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:09,920 it did not protect Black voting rights, 920 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:12,256 but it did alienate the Dixiecrats. 921 00:43:12,339 --> 00:43:14,717 {\an8}Time has come for Mississippi congressmen 922 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,178 {\an8}and senators to disassociate themselves 923 00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:19,596 {\an8}from this party 924 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,932 {\an8}and join the conservative White voters of this state 925 00:43:22,016 --> 00:43:26,854 in supporting Republican electorate for Barry Goldwater. 926 00:43:26,937 --> 00:43:28,939 Narrator: The upcoming presidential election 927 00:43:29,023 --> 00:43:32,151 gave COFO the chance for a new strategy. 928 00:43:32,234 --> 00:43:34,111 At the Democratic National Convention, 929 00:43:34,194 --> 00:43:36,113 scheduled for the end of the summer, 930 00:43:36,196 --> 00:43:39,450 they could force a showdown with Mississippi's Dixiecrats 931 00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:43,495 and expose the state's injustice to the nation. 932 00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:46,248 But what we were after was how do you make 933 00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:50,377 a real political change in the state? 934 00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:54,381 And our one chance of doing that was attacking the state 935 00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:56,050 where they were weak, 936 00:43:56,133 --> 00:43:58,969 and their weakest point politically 937 00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:02,473 was at the National Democratic Convention. 938 00:44:02,556 --> 00:44:04,016 Narrator: To correct Mississippi, 939 00:44:04,099 --> 00:44:07,227 COFO needed to build national support fast. 940 00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:09,938 They decided to bring volunteers from across America 941 00:44:10,022 --> 00:44:11,440 into the state. 942 00:44:11,523 --> 00:44:15,486 We hope to send into Mississippi 943 00:44:15,569 --> 00:44:21,617 this summer upwards of 1,000 teachers, ministers, 944 00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:26,205 lawyers, and students from all around the country 945 00:44:26,288 --> 00:44:30,834 who will engage in what we're calling freedom schools, 946 00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:35,798 community-center programs, voter-registration activity. 947 00:44:35,881 --> 00:44:41,303 A program designed to open up Mississippi to the country. 948 00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:43,430 ♪ Well, I read in the paper ♪ 949 00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:45,015 ♪ Shoobe-doo-be-doo-be-doo ♪ 950 00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:46,850 ♪ Just the other day ♪ 951 00:44:46,934 --> 00:44:48,519 ♪ Shoobe-doo-be-doo-be-doo ♪ 952 00:44:48,602 --> 00:44:50,521 ♪ That Freedom Fighters ♪ 953 00:44:50,604 --> 00:44:52,022 ♪ Shoobe-doo-be-doo-be-doo ♪ 954 00:44:52,106 --> 00:44:54,817 ♪ Were on their way ♪ 955 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,777 Reporter: Some 700 college students 956 00:44:56,860 --> 00:45:00,364 from as far away as Boston and Southern California 957 00:45:00,447 --> 00:45:02,408 have come here to take part in a program 958 00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:05,911 called Freedom -- Freedom for Mississippi. 959 00:45:05,994 --> 00:45:07,371 Marshall, what are your motives 960 00:45:07,454 --> 00:45:09,623 for going down to Mississippi this summer? 961 00:45:09,706 --> 00:45:12,793 Reading the papers all last year, 962 00:45:12,876 --> 00:45:15,254 talking with people, and hearing 963 00:45:15,337 --> 00:45:17,047 about what was happening in Mississippi 964 00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:19,675 and in the South, shooting of Medgar Evers 965 00:45:19,758 --> 00:45:22,177 and other events like that 966 00:45:22,261 --> 00:45:26,723 generates such a feeling of outrage and injustice 967 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,892 that you feel you must act. 968 00:45:28,976 --> 00:45:31,270 {\an8}Part of the whole idea of the Summer Project 969 00:45:31,353 --> 00:45:34,064 {\an8}was -- was Bob's analysis 970 00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:37,568 that the law only covers certain people in America 971 00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:40,237 and it doesn't cover Southern Blacks. 972 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,073 It covers Northern Blacks a little bit, 973 00:45:43,157 --> 00:45:45,826 and it covers Northern Whites a whole lot. 974 00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,078 And so that if you want to bring the law to the South, 975 00:45:48,162 --> 00:45:51,165 you have to bring the people who the law covers to the South. 976 00:45:51,248 --> 00:45:55,586 {\an8}The SNCC staff were smart and a kind of smart 977 00:45:55,669 --> 00:45:57,004 {\an8}that wasn't just from book learning, 978 00:45:57,087 --> 00:45:59,798 {\an8}but was from having lived a certain kind of reality 979 00:45:59,882 --> 00:46:01,425 {\an8}and then interpreting it and figuring out, 980 00:46:01,508 --> 00:46:02,968 {\an8}"Well, what can you do about it?" 981 00:46:03,051 --> 00:46:04,470 {\an8}and really solving problems. 982 00:46:04,553 --> 00:46:06,763 {\an8}The people who organized the Mississippi Summer Project 983 00:46:06,847 --> 00:46:10,350 {\an8}understood that if I went to Mississippi, 984 00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:12,102 {\an8}my parents would care. 985 00:46:12,186 --> 00:46:13,896 {\an8}My brothers and my sister would care 986 00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:17,357 and my grandparents would care, my aunts and uncles would care. 987 00:46:17,441 --> 00:46:19,651 The people in the community would care. 988 00:46:19,735 --> 00:46:24,907 And people did things because someone they knew 989 00:46:24,990 --> 00:46:28,619 or at least someone from their community was involved. 990 00:46:28,702 --> 00:46:30,662 If a young Black from Mississippi 991 00:46:30,746 --> 00:46:33,790 were to get arrested, put in jail, 992 00:46:33,874 --> 00:46:35,751 that'd be that. 993 00:46:35,834 --> 00:46:37,920 But if one of us got arrested or put in jail, 994 00:46:38,003 --> 00:46:39,963 well, there'd be senator so-and-so on the phone 995 00:46:40,047 --> 00:46:42,174 and Congressman so-and-so on the phone. 996 00:46:42,257 --> 00:46:44,927 "The New York Times" calling, and that's what it meant 997 00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:47,554 to really bring the law to the South. 998 00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:50,599 And so there was a concern on the part of people 999 00:46:50,682 --> 00:46:52,726 {\an8}that what does that say to people, 1000 00:46:52,809 --> 00:46:56,230 {\an8}that you have to have a White body 1001 00:46:56,313 --> 00:46:59,817 {\an8}to protect a Black person? 1002 00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:04,988 I mean, aren't human lives worth the same? 1003 00:47:05,072 --> 00:47:06,990 So you raise in your mind, 1004 00:47:07,074 --> 00:47:11,036 "Does America have any obligation to protect me 1005 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,331 like they protect one of the senator's sons 1006 00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:17,000 who come down from Harvard or Yale?" 1007 00:47:17,084 --> 00:47:19,336 And, you know, that's -- that's -- that's an irony. 1008 00:47:19,419 --> 00:47:24,007 But the reality was, was that I would be a statistic. 1009 00:47:24,091 --> 00:47:25,759 Man #5: Some nigger lovers coming from the North. 1010 00:47:25,842 --> 00:47:27,135 Go home, Yankees. 1011 00:47:27,219 --> 00:47:28,762 You know, go home, you Yankees, nigger lovers. 1012 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:30,389 You want your daughter to marry a nigger? 1013 00:47:30,472 --> 00:47:33,517 [ Indistinct yelling ] 1014 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,396 Moses: Could you actually get Black people, 1015 00:47:37,479 --> 00:47:40,065 who were the SNCC, 1016 00:47:40,148 --> 00:47:42,859 working with these young White volunteers 1017 00:47:42,943 --> 00:47:46,572 in a way in which everyone could survive, right, 1018 00:47:46,655 --> 00:47:49,616 and could again -- could flourish? 1019 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,118 {\an8}Glasses. 1020 00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:54,621 {\an8}That was very good because you all got carried away, see? 1021 00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:56,206 {\an8}I mean, you were just supposed to yell 1022 00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:57,541 {\an8}and you start hitting us, 1023 00:47:57,624 --> 00:47:59,084 {\an8}so you got off your frustrations, you know. 1024 00:47:59,167 --> 00:48:02,004 {\an8}Half of what happened at Oxford was the staff 1025 00:48:02,087 --> 00:48:03,547 {\an8}trying to figure out whether, in fact, 1026 00:48:03,630 --> 00:48:05,757 {\an8}they wanted this group of volunteers to go down. 1027 00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:07,426 They were ambivalent about it, 1028 00:48:07,509 --> 00:48:09,886 and the volunteers trying to size the staff up. 1029 00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:12,889 And there was a big dance taking place 1030 00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:14,224 in which they were trying to decide 1031 00:48:14,308 --> 00:48:16,435 whether this was gonna work or not. 1032 00:48:16,518 --> 00:48:19,313 {\an8}♪♪ 1033 00:48:19,396 --> 00:48:21,607 Woman #3: Tuesday night, we saw a movie describing 1034 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:24,693 how the Negro was discriminated against in Mississippi 1035 00:48:24,776 --> 00:48:26,320 with regard to voting. 1036 00:48:26,403 --> 00:48:30,240 CBS Reports. "Mississippi and the 15th Amendment." 1037 00:48:30,324 --> 00:48:33,869 Woman #4: As I started up the steps to the courthouse, 1038 00:48:33,952 --> 00:48:36,121 I was a little afraid. 1039 00:48:36,204 --> 00:48:39,958 A registrar, Mr. Lann, was on his way out. 1040 00:48:40,042 --> 00:48:45,297 I'm small, and he's an extra-large man. 1041 00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:47,924 Woman #3: A big, fat, White county registrar 1042 00:48:48,008 --> 00:48:49,760 prevents Negroes from voting. 1043 00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:52,929 We laughed because it was so completely foreign to us. 1044 00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:56,099 Six of the staff members got up and walked out of the movie 1045 00:48:56,183 --> 00:48:57,768 because it was so real to them. 1046 00:48:57,851 --> 00:49:02,105 And some of the staff began to -- to take offense to that 1047 00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:06,652 because they didn't find that to be particularly funny. 1048 00:49:06,735 --> 00:49:09,112 It marked an explosion point. 1049 00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:11,698 It was a flash point for the staff 1050 00:49:11,782 --> 00:49:14,618 finally to let out with all of their frustrations 1051 00:49:14,701 --> 00:49:18,914 they've had and the hostilities they had towards the volunteers 1052 00:49:18,997 --> 00:49:20,832 over the previous few days. 1053 00:49:20,916 --> 00:49:23,460 Moses: What happened was quite profound 1054 00:49:23,543 --> 00:49:26,088 because what we were dealing with 1055 00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:30,926 was trying to sharpen the volunteers' 1056 00:49:31,009 --> 00:49:33,303 sense of reality. 1057 00:49:33,387 --> 00:49:36,640 Ganz: The day before we were going to leave Oxford 1058 00:49:36,723 --> 00:49:38,350 and go to Mississippi, 1059 00:49:38,433 --> 00:49:43,689 the word came that three civil rights workers had disappeared. 1060 00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:45,524 Reporter #2: James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, 1061 00:49:45,607 --> 00:49:47,359 and Michael Schwerner went to Mississippi 1062 00:49:47,442 --> 00:49:49,569 to help register Negroes as voters. 1063 00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:51,363 It had been stressed at the training school 1064 00:49:51,446 --> 00:49:53,365 they had just completed that the federal government 1065 00:49:53,448 --> 00:49:55,742 {\an8}could offer them little protection. 1066 00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,662 {\an8}Narrator: A manhunt began for a summer volunteer 1067 00:49:58,745 --> 00:50:01,039 {\an8}and two veteran corps organizers, 1068 00:50:01,123 --> 00:50:04,126 last seen in a rural Mississippi jail. 1069 00:50:04,209 --> 00:50:06,712 The FBI discovered their empty car 1070 00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:08,964 but no sign of the men. 1071 00:50:09,047 --> 00:50:10,257 What do you think of this? 1072 00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:11,717 I believe them jokers planned 1073 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,552 and sitting up there in New York, 1074 00:50:13,635 --> 00:50:15,345 laughing at us Mississippi folk. 1075 00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:17,264 {\an5}You think it was a hoax? 1076 00:50:15,429 --> 00:50:17,264 I think so. 1077 00:50:17,347 --> 00:50:19,891 If they did, I feel like they asked for it. 1078 00:50:19,975 --> 00:50:22,018 They came here looking for trouble. 1079 00:50:22,102 --> 00:50:26,773 It was very clear to me that they were gone, 1080 00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:28,650 that they were dead, 1081 00:50:28,734 --> 00:50:31,027 and I knew that in my bones. 1082 00:50:31,111 --> 00:50:35,866 And now the problem was, was how to convey that to the volunteers 1083 00:50:35,949 --> 00:50:39,536 so that they could understand so they could have a choice 1084 00:50:39,619 --> 00:50:43,623 about going in or not going in, 1085 00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:47,335 trying to -- to know really what the conditions were 1086 00:50:47,419 --> 00:50:48,920 that they had to face, 1087 00:50:49,004 --> 00:50:52,132 that before they got there, right, 1088 00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:56,344 the die was cast, the stone was thrown, right? 1089 00:50:56,428 --> 00:50:59,806 It was very clear what the stakes were. 1090 00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:01,975 We were all gathered in this big auditorium. 1091 00:51:02,058 --> 00:51:05,020 I mean, there must've been about 300 of us there. 1092 00:51:05,103 --> 00:51:10,067 And Bob was up front speaking to us. 1093 00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:13,695 Bob spoke looking at his feet, 1094 00:51:13,779 --> 00:51:17,491 and this was just -- This was -- This is one 1095 00:51:17,574 --> 00:51:21,912 of my most profound experiences of leadership. 1096 00:51:21,995 --> 00:51:23,747 You know, this man stood up, who was the head 1097 00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:26,958 of the Mississippi Freedom Project -- Summer Project. 1098 00:51:27,042 --> 00:51:31,129 And he looked at his feet and kind of shuffled his feet 1099 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:33,715 and talked to us about how he felt. 1100 00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:37,427 That job fell to me, right, 1101 00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:40,680 of penetrating through 1102 00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:43,183 that the kids were dead. 1103 00:51:43,266 --> 00:51:45,769 Do whatever you want. 1104 00:51:45,852 --> 00:51:49,564 You can't bring them back. 1105 00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:53,276 Now you have a problem. 1106 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,613 You have got to reevaluate. 1107 00:51:56,696 --> 00:52:00,700 You are going to Mississippi in the light of the knowledge 1108 00:52:00,784 --> 00:52:05,121 that some of your crew are already dead 1109 00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:07,249 before you even get there. 1110 00:52:09,668 --> 00:52:13,547 He said, "Well, all of you in this room, 1111 00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:17,717 probably some of you aren't gonna survive the summer. 1112 00:52:17,801 --> 00:52:21,763 And you shouldn't feel like you have to go. 1113 00:52:21,847 --> 00:52:24,516 I mean, anybody should feel like they can just get up 1114 00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:26,059 and walk out of here 1115 00:52:26,142 --> 00:52:31,189 and not be thought as a coward or anything. It's just... 1116 00:52:31,273 --> 00:52:34,734 But you need to go, too." 1117 00:52:36,444 --> 00:52:40,532 And for him, it was like, 1118 00:52:40,615 --> 00:52:44,911 "I don't want to put you at risk this way. 1119 00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:47,664 But I have to put you at risk." 1120 00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:49,875 Chude Allen: And he ended that, 1121 00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:53,587 standing up there, you know, in overalls and T-shirt 1122 00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:55,922 and just looking at the floor, just saying, 1123 00:52:56,006 --> 00:53:00,677 "All I can say is I'll be there with you." 1124 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,721 And I would have gone anywhere. 1125 00:53:02,804 --> 00:53:04,723 I would have done anything he asked me to do, 1126 00:53:04,806 --> 00:53:06,224 I trusted him so much. 1127 00:53:06,308 --> 00:53:10,520 It was..incredibly powerful. 1128 00:53:13,398 --> 00:53:16,192 And I left that meeting 1129 00:53:16,276 --> 00:53:19,112 Knowing not only was I going down to Mississippi, 1130 00:53:19,195 --> 00:53:22,741 but that this would be the course for the rest of my life. 1131 00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:26,453 And then there was just silence. 1132 00:53:26,536 --> 00:53:28,079 And the whole place must have been silent 1133 00:53:28,163 --> 00:53:31,499 for about, I don't know, five minutes. 1134 00:53:36,129 --> 00:53:40,383 In the back of the room, a woman named Jean Wheeler stood up, 1135 00:53:40,467 --> 00:53:42,469 and she just started singing. 1136 00:53:42,552 --> 00:53:45,555 "They say that freedom is a constant struggle. 1137 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,934 They say that freedom is a constant struggle. 1138 00:53:49,017 --> 00:53:51,061 Oh, Lord, we struggled so long. 1139 00:53:51,144 --> 00:53:52,896 We must be free." 1140 00:53:52,979 --> 00:53:55,065 ♪ They say that freedom ♪ 1141 00:53:55,148 --> 00:53:56,566 Ganz: Pretty soon, everybody stood up 1142 00:53:56,650 --> 00:54:01,696 and just marched out of the room behind Jean. 1143 00:54:01,780 --> 00:54:03,073 ♪ They say ♪ 1144 00:54:03,156 --> 00:54:04,699 The next day we all went to Mississippi. 1145 00:54:04,783 --> 00:54:10,705 ♪ ...that freedom is a constant struggle ♪ 1146 00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:19,756 ♪ They say that freedom is a constant struggle ♪ 1147 00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:24,886 ♪ Oh, Lord, we've been struggling so long ♪ 1148 00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:28,056 ♪ That we must be free ♪ 1149 00:54:28,139 --> 00:54:32,936 ♪ We must be free ♪ 1150 00:54:36,189 --> 00:54:43,154 {\an8}♪♪ 1151 00:54:43,238 --> 00:54:46,408 {\an8}Johnson: If we allow these invaders to succeed 1152 00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:49,202 {\an8}in their dastardly scheme, 1153 00:54:49,285 --> 00:54:53,081 we will be guilty of a very costly error. 1154 00:54:53,164 --> 00:54:56,876 Red: The state will be invaded by 50,000 people, 1155 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,047 {\an3}and they were always referred to as invaders. 1156 00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:02,966 I'm totally convinced 1157 00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:05,468 {\an8}that they would slant the weather report 1158 00:55:05,552 --> 00:55:07,554 {\an8}if it preserved segregation 1159 00:55:07,637 --> 00:55:09,639 {\an8}and Southern way of life, 1160 00:55:09,723 --> 00:55:11,349 {\an8}whatever that was. 1161 00:55:11,433 --> 00:55:12,475 {\an8}Red used to say the best way 1162 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:13,810 {\an8}to get me up and going in the morning 1163 00:55:13,893 --> 00:55:16,229 {\an1}was just to pitch me the "Jackson Daily News." 1164 00:55:16,312 --> 00:55:17,397 I'd get so mad. 1165 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,358 She'd be so mad before she got... 1166 00:55:20,442 --> 00:55:25,030 They literally armed themselves 1167 00:55:25,113 --> 00:55:29,492 for the coming of the volunteers into the state that summer. 1168 00:55:29,576 --> 00:55:31,828 That -- that really sums it up. 1169 00:55:31,911 --> 00:55:33,163 It was an army as though 1170 00:55:33,246 --> 00:55:37,167 you were going to be invaded by the enemy. 1171 00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:44,174 {\an8}♪♪ 1172 00:55:44,257 --> 00:55:47,010 Ganz: We were housed right in among the community, 1173 00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:51,222 and they had a welcome for us and they put out a big spread 1174 00:55:51,306 --> 00:55:53,892 and they put us in people's houses. 1175 00:55:53,975 --> 00:55:55,185 Oh, it was great. 1176 00:55:55,268 --> 00:55:58,271 I mean, they were so welcoming to us, 1177 00:55:58,354 --> 00:56:01,441 and it made us feel secure, you know, 1178 00:56:01,524 --> 00:56:03,026 until we sort of eventually began 1179 00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:06,988 sort of poking our heads out and beginning to do stuff. 1180 00:56:07,072 --> 00:56:09,783 {\an8}♪♪ 1181 00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:11,451 Booth: And the first night, 1182 00:56:11,534 --> 00:56:13,328 there had been chiggers in the bed, 1183 00:56:13,411 --> 00:56:17,373 which are little mite-sized, you-can't-even-see-'em bugs, 1184 00:56:17,457 --> 00:56:18,708 and they got into my legs 1185 00:56:18,792 --> 00:56:21,836 and I was just filled with chigger bites. 1186 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,589 The way you treat them is you have to put your legs 1187 00:56:24,672 --> 00:56:28,301 in turpentine and -- or gasoline, 1188 00:56:28,384 --> 00:56:31,554 and then they'll -- they'll fall off. 1189 00:56:31,638 --> 00:56:35,558 But just everything was a new experience. 1190 00:56:35,642 --> 00:56:36,851 Ganz: Then there was dealing 1191 00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:38,394 with the whole White/Black business, 1192 00:56:38,478 --> 00:56:41,147 about, you know, people 40 years your senior 1193 00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:43,399 calling you mister and giving you their seat. 1194 00:56:43,483 --> 00:56:46,486 I still wasn't used to calling White people 1195 00:56:46,569 --> 00:56:49,614 by their first name without saying "Miss." 1196 00:56:49,697 --> 00:56:51,157 I mean, there it was. 1197 00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:54,244 You know, there's like 400 years of oppression right there. 1198 00:56:54,327 --> 00:56:59,582 I-I could never, uh, let that go -- that "Miss." 1199 00:56:59,666 --> 00:57:01,793 It was too ingrained in me because, remember, 1200 00:57:01,876 --> 00:57:06,297 we had to even call White children "Miss" and "Mister." 1201 00:57:06,381 --> 00:57:07,632 I mean, talk about grappling things 1202 00:57:07,715 --> 00:57:09,008 at a very personal level. 1203 00:57:09,092 --> 00:57:11,719 I mean, that was like always the sort of thing. 1204 00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:14,430 I mean, the system had been so institutionalized 1205 00:57:14,514 --> 00:57:16,224 down to every personal encounter. 1206 00:57:16,307 --> 00:57:18,852 Don't you ever give up that gun. 1207 00:57:18,935 --> 00:57:20,478 That's all you got left 1208 00:57:20,562 --> 00:57:23,523 to protect that little baby in that crib 1209 00:57:23,606 --> 00:57:27,110 because these dirty devils will be in your home. 1210 00:57:27,193 --> 00:57:30,530 That's what they want. They do not want equality. 1211 00:57:30,613 --> 00:57:33,449 You know they don't want equality. 1212 00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:36,411 They don't want something like you got. 1213 00:57:36,494 --> 00:57:39,581 They want what you've got -- your women. 1214 00:57:39,664 --> 00:57:41,457 [ Cheers and applause ] 1215 00:57:41,541 --> 00:57:43,418 Ganz: The role of sex in the community -- 1216 00:57:43,501 --> 00:57:47,130 the weirdness was the White community's weirdness about it. 1217 00:57:47,213 --> 00:57:48,715 I mean, it made them nutty. 1218 00:57:48,798 --> 00:57:51,050 People were obsessed with this question 1219 00:57:51,134 --> 00:57:55,054 of Black male, White female sex. 1220 00:57:55,138 --> 00:57:56,347 It pervaded the project. 1221 00:57:56,431 --> 00:57:59,350 It was -- it was as if I wasn't a person. 1222 00:57:59,434 --> 00:58:01,436 It was as if I was a White woman. 1223 00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,939 That was my identity, and it was very oppressive. 1224 00:58:05,023 --> 00:58:07,275 {\an8}♪♪ 1225 00:58:07,358 --> 00:58:08,818 Hayes: We're coming in an environment 1226 00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:10,987 where White women are sitting down, 1227 00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:16,326 talking to you, like an equal. 1228 00:58:16,409 --> 00:58:19,120 It was unheard of. 1229 00:58:19,204 --> 00:58:22,957 You know, and let alone having sex with one. 1230 00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,668 Holland: Well, a lot of the families were afraid to sit down 1231 00:58:25,752 --> 00:58:29,047 at the table with the people that they were housing 1232 00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:30,924 because they were White. 1233 00:58:31,007 --> 00:58:34,385 We had never sat and eaten with White folks before, 1234 00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:37,138 and we would -- They would fix all the pork 1235 00:58:37,222 --> 00:58:40,892 and all the pig feet and all that, you know. 1236 00:58:40,975 --> 00:58:43,895 People -- And, you know, and what was so funny 1237 00:58:43,978 --> 00:58:47,565 is the White students, who had never eaten anything, 1238 00:58:47,649 --> 00:58:48,942 eating chitlings and all, 1239 00:58:49,025 --> 00:58:51,194 were just sitting there eating like they were -- 1240 00:58:51,277 --> 00:58:54,739 like they were very, very happy to do so. 1241 00:58:54,822 --> 00:58:57,867 And the outhouses that we had to use, 1242 00:58:57,951 --> 00:59:00,870 well, I was -- I was really surprised because I said, 1243 00:59:00,954 --> 00:59:02,247 "Well, I know this White girl 1244 00:59:02,330 --> 00:59:04,040 ain't gonna go use this outhouse, 1245 00:59:04,123 --> 00:59:06,084 you know, like everybody else." 1246 00:59:06,167 --> 00:59:08,086 And the girl would use the outhouse 1247 00:59:08,169 --> 00:59:10,046 like she was born to it, you know, 1248 00:59:10,129 --> 00:59:11,547 and then that -- that made us 1249 00:59:11,631 --> 00:59:15,510 all sort of get gang around them and gather around them. 1250 00:59:15,593 --> 00:59:24,894 {\an8}♪♪ 1251 00:59:24,978 --> 00:59:26,562 Narrator: In Mississippi, 1252 00:59:26,646 --> 00:59:29,148 Whites did not socialize with Blacks. 1253 00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:31,484 They did not worship in Black churches, 1254 00:59:31,567 --> 00:59:35,363 teach in Black schools, or live in Black homes. 1255 00:59:35,446 --> 00:59:38,074 Northern Whites were breaking all the rules 1256 00:59:38,157 --> 00:59:40,702 and Southern Whites retaliated. 1257 00:59:40,785 --> 00:59:43,413 Freedom Summer triggered 1,000 arrests, 1258 00:59:43,496 --> 00:59:47,917 35 shootings and church burnings and 80 beatings. 1259 00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:51,796 And any Southern Whites who sympathized with the volunteers 1260 00:59:51,879 --> 00:59:55,174 were singled out for their own form of punishment. 1261 00:59:57,176 --> 00:59:59,095 And there was a hardening 1262 00:59:59,178 --> 01:00:01,264 of the political atmosphere. 1263 01:00:01,347 --> 01:00:03,933 {\an3}It was -- There was no soft edges at all. 1264 01:00:04,017 --> 01:00:07,228 It was just... 1265 01:00:07,312 --> 01:00:08,521 Absolutely segregation 1266 01:00:08,604 --> 01:00:11,107 and segregation and segregation forever. 1267 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:14,444 We decided on our own that our White volunteers 1268 01:00:14,527 --> 01:00:16,696 would organize in the White community. 1269 01:00:16,779 --> 01:00:20,908 It was just sort of like, "Well, we should have a dialogue. 1270 01:00:20,992 --> 01:00:23,536 Can't we talk about these things? 1271 01:00:23,619 --> 01:00:25,246 How can we avoid confrontation?" 1272 01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:28,875 It was a very, sort of very moderate kind of exchange. 1273 01:00:28,958 --> 01:00:31,627 {\an1}So we sat around and talked about different things, 1274 01:00:31,711 --> 01:00:35,173 and the house was surrounded by these cars 1275 01:00:35,256 --> 01:00:39,844 and the lights were focused on the front door. 1276 01:00:39,927 --> 01:00:42,305 And we were just amazed. 1277 01:00:42,388 --> 01:00:44,098 And we just -- "What in the world?" 1278 01:00:44,182 --> 01:00:45,975 Even then, I was so secure 1279 01:00:46,059 --> 01:00:47,143 in my position in the community, 1280 01:00:47,226 --> 01:00:48,478 I walked out there. 1281 01:00:48,561 --> 01:00:49,771 I wanted the damn fools to see 1282 01:00:49,854 --> 01:00:51,189 that it was all right. 1283 01:00:51,272 --> 01:00:52,815 They were there with me. 1284 01:00:52,899 --> 01:00:55,485 It just was beyond my conception 1285 01:00:55,568 --> 01:00:58,404 that I could be in any danger in my own house. 1286 01:00:58,488 --> 01:01:00,656 They were more shocked than anybody. 1287 01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:01,991 They were totally shocked. 1288 01:01:02,075 --> 01:01:04,035 They had no notion that that community 1289 01:01:04,118 --> 01:01:05,661 in which they lived in and done business in 1290 01:01:05,745 --> 01:01:08,748 and worked in would turn on them like that. 1291 01:01:08,831 --> 01:01:09,999 And, boy, it did. 1292 01:01:10,083 --> 01:01:13,669 {\an1}People wouldn't even speak to us on the street 1293 01:01:13,753 --> 01:01:16,506 {\an1}and would never call us on the phone anymore, 1294 01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:18,758 never come to the house, 1295 01:01:18,841 --> 01:01:20,385 and he lost his business. 1296 01:01:20,468 --> 01:01:24,430 He was asked to -- to give up his office. 1297 01:01:24,514 --> 01:01:27,558 And these things were hitting us 1298 01:01:27,642 --> 01:01:30,937 just one right after the other. 1299 01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:32,563 Following this thing, 1300 01:01:32,647 --> 01:01:34,524 and we were really sort of groggy. 1301 01:01:34,607 --> 01:01:38,027 It just reinforced about, like, how closed the White community 1302 01:01:38,111 --> 01:01:40,530 was at that point to -- to -- 1303 01:01:40,613 --> 01:01:44,367 It was so fearful and so under siege 1304 01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:49,539 that, you know, it would just expel its own like that. 1305 01:01:49,622 --> 01:01:52,208 It was... 1306 01:01:52,291 --> 01:01:54,544 I just don't know -- The hurt. 1307 01:01:54,627 --> 01:01:57,588 There's no way to describe the hurt. 1308 01:01:57,672 --> 01:01:58,965 It really... 1309 01:01:59,048 --> 01:02:00,466 When a family splits, it's history. 1310 01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:01,968 Not only that, but just the fact 1311 01:02:02,051 --> 01:02:06,139 {\an1}that you -- I had never been put down in my life. 1312 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:07,723 I've never been rejected 1313 01:02:07,807 --> 01:02:10,351 and over something that I felt it 1314 01:02:10,435 --> 01:02:12,728 that was -- It just wasn't right. 1315 01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:17,567 And it was... It was very painful. 1316 01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:26,451 {\an8}♪♪ 1317 01:02:26,534 --> 01:02:27,785 Ganz: But, I mean, you also knew 1318 01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:29,287 that you were tapping at something 1319 01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:31,205 that was right at the heart of the whole way 1320 01:02:31,289 --> 01:02:34,417 in which they thought about their culture and the world 1321 01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,085 and we were threatening that. 1322 01:02:36,169 --> 01:02:41,382 {\an8}♪♪ 1323 01:02:41,466 --> 01:02:46,512 {\an8}♪♪ 1324 01:02:46,596 --> 01:02:50,600 Okay, now we're holding our precinct meeting 1325 01:02:50,683 --> 01:02:53,936 for the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. 1326 01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:55,813 Narrator: COFO drafted the students 1327 01:02:55,897 --> 01:02:58,858 into its overall strategy of challenging the Dixiecrats 1328 01:02:58,941 --> 01:03:01,486 at the Democratic National Convention. 1329 01:03:01,569 --> 01:03:02,862 The base for that attack 1330 01:03:02,945 --> 01:03:05,740 was the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party, 1331 01:03:05,823 --> 01:03:09,660 an alternative to the state's all-White Democrats. 1332 01:03:09,744 --> 01:03:11,287 By summer's end, 1333 01:03:11,370 --> 01:03:15,166 the MFDP hoped to send its own delegation to Atlantic City 1334 01:03:15,249 --> 01:03:17,502 as a rival to the state's regulars 1335 01:03:17,585 --> 01:03:20,379 and demand to be seated in their place. 1336 01:03:20,463 --> 01:03:22,632 It would be up to the national party 1337 01:03:22,715 --> 01:03:26,135 to choose between them. 1338 01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:27,637 The self-styled 1339 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,056 Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party delegation 1340 01:03:30,139 --> 01:03:32,975 represents no one but itself. 1341 01:03:33,059 --> 01:03:36,562 And that we have no other way of doing it 1342 01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:41,526 except through the Freedom Democratic Party 1343 01:03:41,609 --> 01:03:44,487 since the state of Mississippi denied us 1344 01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:49,700 the right to participate in the regular Democratic Party. 1345 01:03:49,784 --> 01:03:52,828 Rauh: I was the moderator of a panel there 1346 01:03:52,912 --> 01:03:54,997 on civil liberties. 1347 01:03:55,081 --> 01:03:57,124 And from the audience, 1348 01:03:57,208 --> 01:03:58,751 after the panelists had finished, 1349 01:03:58,834 --> 01:04:01,087 the first question was, 1350 01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:06,759 {\an8}"What do you think if we bring a delegation of loyal Democrats 1351 01:04:06,842 --> 01:04:09,303 {\an8}from Mississippi to the convention 1352 01:04:09,387 --> 01:04:13,849 and challenge the regulars who will be all-White 1353 01:04:13,933 --> 01:04:17,270 and will be all anti-Johnson?" 1354 01:04:17,353 --> 01:04:19,522 So I didn't have to hesitate. 1355 01:04:19,605 --> 01:04:21,983 I said, "I think it's a wonderful idea. 1356 01:04:22,066 --> 01:04:23,609 I urge you to do it." 1357 01:04:23,693 --> 01:04:29,865 Joe was particularly placed to be a pivotal person in this 1358 01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:34,870 because he was general counsel for the United Auto Workers, 1359 01:04:34,954 --> 01:04:37,248 Walter Reuther's organization. 1360 01:04:37,331 --> 01:04:42,628 And then he was also heading up the delegation from D.C. 1361 01:04:42,712 --> 01:04:45,214 So a few days later, 1362 01:04:45,298 --> 01:04:47,049 Bob comes into my office and says, 1363 01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:49,135 "You thought that was such a hell of a good idea, 1364 01:04:49,218 --> 01:04:51,137 will you be the lawyer for us?" 1365 01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:55,224 I said, "Yes," And that's how I got there. 1366 01:04:55,308 --> 01:04:57,143 It was people taking on a system 1367 01:04:57,226 --> 01:04:58,227 at the highest level. 1368 01:04:58,311 --> 01:04:59,562 People taking on the folks 1369 01:04:59,645 --> 01:05:01,731 who allowed people to be beaten to death 1370 01:05:01,814 --> 01:05:05,359 and shot to death and lynched and work without pay 1371 01:05:05,443 --> 01:05:07,111 and living in ragged houses 1372 01:05:07,194 --> 01:05:08,946 at the point where it could be dealt with. 1373 01:05:09,905 --> 01:05:12,908 ♪ Which side are you on, boy ♪ 1374 01:05:12,992 --> 01:05:15,036 ♪ Which side are you on ♪ 1375 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,413 ♪ Which side are you on ♪ 1376 01:05:17,496 --> 01:05:22,752 Moses: What we needed was some force within that party 1377 01:05:22,835 --> 01:05:25,004 to galvanize it and say, 1378 01:05:25,087 --> 01:05:29,592 "Look, don't go this way, go this way. 1379 01:05:29,675 --> 01:05:31,427 What you need is not to pamper 1380 01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:38,601 to the White, Southern, racist political power base 1381 01:05:38,684 --> 01:05:40,269 within the Democratic Party. 1382 01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:43,272 What you need is to lay the foundation 1383 01:05:43,356 --> 01:05:46,692 for building another base." 1384 01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:48,444 The regular Democrats had caucuses, 1385 01:05:48,527 --> 01:05:51,113 and so we had caucuses -- precinct caucuses 1386 01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:54,116 to elect delegates to the convention 1387 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,453 who would elect the delegates to go to Atlantic City. 1388 01:05:57,536 --> 01:06:00,581 Gray Adams: It was heartwarming to see these people 1389 01:06:00,665 --> 01:06:02,625 who had not the slightest notion, 1390 01:06:02,708 --> 01:06:06,504 including myself, of what the political arena 1391 01:06:06,587 --> 01:06:10,549 was like really out there taking hold, 1392 01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:13,135 setting up the precinct meetings, 1393 01:06:13,219 --> 01:06:14,679 setting up the county meeting, 1394 01:06:14,762 --> 01:06:16,597 setting up the district meetings. 1395 01:06:16,681 --> 01:06:20,101 They, like us, knew that every step 1396 01:06:20,184 --> 01:06:22,728 was taking us another step. 1397 01:06:22,812 --> 01:06:25,690 ♪ You'll either be a Freedom Fighter ♪ 1398 01:06:25,773 --> 01:06:29,318 Holland: So what Miss Hamer have me do 1399 01:06:29,402 --> 01:06:31,153 when I would go from door to door 1400 01:06:31,237 --> 01:06:35,032 is to tell people that if we stick together, 1401 01:06:35,116 --> 01:06:38,327 then we can take the seats up there in Washington, 1402 01:06:38,411 --> 01:06:41,080 at the convention in Atlantic City. 1403 01:06:41,163 --> 01:06:43,791 We can become great. So this -- What this -- 1404 01:06:43,874 --> 01:06:46,168 This is exactly what I would tell the people 1405 01:06:46,252 --> 01:06:48,963 when I went to try to get them to come to the meeting. 1406 01:06:49,046 --> 01:06:50,673 And I remember telling Miss Hamer, 1407 01:06:50,756 --> 01:06:52,550 "They gonna seat you all, Miss Hamer." 1408 01:06:52,633 --> 01:06:55,052 And she said, "Oh, you think so, Ida?" 1409 01:06:55,136 --> 01:06:57,304 I said, "Yes, ma'am, they gonna seat y'all." 1410 01:06:57,388 --> 01:06:59,014 ♪ Oh, freedom ♪ 1411 01:06:59,098 --> 01:07:00,641 Sellars: They had an objective in mind 1412 01:07:00,725 --> 01:07:05,479 to throw out the Dixiecrats and throw out those people 1413 01:07:05,563 --> 01:07:07,898 who are not loyal to the Democratic Party 1414 01:07:07,982 --> 01:07:10,693 and to put themselves into those positions. 1415 01:07:10,776 --> 01:07:14,989 I said if they told the story, which I knew, they would appeal 1416 01:07:15,072 --> 01:07:17,074 to the consciousness of almost everybody 1417 01:07:17,158 --> 01:07:20,911 who was a straight-thinking American citizen. 1418 01:07:20,995 --> 01:07:22,580 What people were really waiting for 1419 01:07:22,663 --> 01:07:27,334 is "What is gonna happen, right, at the end of this summer? 1420 01:07:27,418 --> 01:07:31,630 What is the response of the National Democratic Party 1421 01:07:31,714 --> 01:07:33,215 going to be? 1422 01:07:33,299 --> 01:07:36,802 Is there going to be some attack 1423 01:07:36,886 --> 01:07:39,054 on the power base of racism?" 1424 01:07:39,138 --> 01:07:41,056 {\an8}♪♪ 1425 01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:43,559 And, of course, what the students brought with them 1426 01:07:43,642 --> 01:07:47,646 was the attention and the pressure of the country. 1427 01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:49,398 Alright. You -- Can you tell us 1428 01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:51,400 exactly what have you learned here? 1429 01:07:51,484 --> 01:07:53,652 Ganz: The press was a critical part of this struggle, 1430 01:07:53,736 --> 01:07:54,945 and they knew it. 1431 01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:57,448 And they knew that their telling the story 1432 01:07:57,531 --> 01:08:00,910 was a big part of making the whole thing happen. 1433 01:08:00,993 --> 01:08:03,954 The Mississippi summer was a media summer, 1434 01:08:04,038 --> 01:08:05,414 and I recognized that, 1435 01:08:05,498 --> 01:08:07,958 and I also recognized that I was a media person. 1436 01:08:08,042 --> 01:08:10,669 That is to say, many of them sought me out. 1437 01:08:10,753 --> 01:08:14,256 I think partly because my father was in politics 1438 01:08:14,340 --> 01:08:17,259 and we recognized that we were powerful people in the sense 1439 01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:18,761 that we'd come from families 1440 01:08:18,844 --> 01:08:21,931 and just being there brought our families with us. 1441 01:08:22,014 --> 01:08:26,685 Just our appearance in the state with a declared social agenda 1442 01:08:26,769 --> 01:08:30,606 was going to be a major step all by itself. 1443 01:08:30,689 --> 01:08:33,692 And the media circus that followed us 1444 01:08:33,776 --> 01:08:36,112 was probably going to have the most major impact. 1445 01:08:36,195 --> 01:08:38,072 Our first step would be to sign people up 1446 01:08:38,155 --> 01:08:40,324 to the Freedom Democratic Party. 1447 01:08:40,407 --> 01:08:43,953 Just that put them at a certain level of risk. 1448 01:08:44,036 --> 01:08:47,122 Then there was getting people to talk to you. 1449 01:08:47,206 --> 01:08:51,126 Holland: So then they started using teams, Whites and Blacks, 1450 01:08:51,210 --> 01:08:53,963 because I think that the reason they used the Whites 1451 01:08:54,046 --> 01:08:57,550 because Blacks had a hard time saying no to White folk. 1452 01:08:57,633 --> 01:08:59,260 You don't care what they were saying. 1453 01:08:59,343 --> 01:09:03,305 So they used the White women, and we would go in teams 1454 01:09:03,389 --> 01:09:06,100 and we would try to get people to go vote. 1455 01:09:06,183 --> 01:09:09,311 They would say, "Yes, ma'am, I'm going. 1456 01:09:09,395 --> 01:09:12,148 Yes, ma'am, I'm going. I'll be there tomorrow." 1457 01:09:12,231 --> 01:09:14,149 And by the time they left, they go inside, 1458 01:09:14,233 --> 01:09:16,819 shut the door, pull the curtains down, 1459 01:09:16,902 --> 01:09:19,154 and say, "I ain't going nowhere." 1460 01:09:19,238 --> 01:09:20,489 And a little White girl -- 1461 01:09:20,573 --> 01:09:22,157 "I can't understand what happened." 1462 01:09:22,241 --> 01:09:25,953 All along, we'd be giggling behind our hands, us Blacks, 1463 01:09:26,036 --> 01:09:28,122 'cause we understood what had happened. 1464 01:09:28,205 --> 01:09:34,670 {\an8}♪♪ 1465 01:09:34,753 --> 01:09:36,797 Dorsey: What I remember about meeting White kids 1466 01:09:36,881 --> 01:09:38,507 the first time who were movement kids -- 1467 01:09:38,591 --> 01:09:42,344 young people in the movement -- was their demeanor, 1468 01:09:42,428 --> 01:09:44,221 how they -- how they treated us, 1469 01:09:44,305 --> 01:09:46,307 um, how they approached you, 1470 01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:48,934 how they were courteous and polite, 1471 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:51,562 and how they didn't talk down to you. 1472 01:09:51,645 --> 01:09:54,023 And there was no fear associated in talking to them. 1473 01:09:54,106 --> 01:09:57,818 There was no consciousness of your place with them. 1474 01:09:57,902 --> 01:10:00,446 ♪ Kumbaya ♪ 1475 01:10:00,529 --> 01:10:03,449 Holland: These students were all from colleges, 1476 01:10:03,532 --> 01:10:06,911 you know, major colleges across the United States, 1477 01:10:06,994 --> 01:10:10,414 and they would help me get my language together, 1478 01:10:10,497 --> 01:10:12,583 help me get my speech together. 1479 01:10:12,666 --> 01:10:15,044 Books was brought in by the truckload 1480 01:10:15,127 --> 01:10:17,880 from various points by people who understood 1481 01:10:17,963 --> 01:10:20,716 that there were still homes in the Mississippi Delta 1482 01:10:20,799 --> 01:10:22,051 where there were no books 1483 01:10:22,134 --> 01:10:23,928 and there were people eager to learn, 1484 01:10:24,011 --> 01:10:27,306 I mean, who just soaked up stuff like sponges, you know? 1485 01:10:27,389 --> 01:10:34,188 ♪ Ohhh, Lord ♪ 1486 01:10:34,271 --> 01:10:37,900 {\an5}Chude Allen: I taught what we called Negro history in the morning. 1487 01:10:37,983 --> 01:10:39,860 That was my core class, 1488 01:10:39,944 --> 01:10:42,905 and I didn't know this information myself. 1489 01:10:42,988 --> 01:10:44,740 I went to one of the best liberal arts colleges 1490 01:10:44,823 --> 01:10:46,158 in the country, 1491 01:10:46,241 --> 01:10:49,244 and I did not know this information. 1492 01:10:49,328 --> 01:10:51,956 And so there was this feeling -- 1493 01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:53,832 a great feeling of responsibility to go home, 1494 01:10:53,916 --> 01:10:57,086 go back to the dormitory every night and to prepare, 1495 01:10:57,169 --> 01:11:00,714 because here were people that -- that wanted it all. 1496 01:11:00,798 --> 01:11:02,549 ♪ Ahhhhh ♪ 1497 01:11:02,633 --> 01:11:05,594 Holland: People had sent lots of books down 1498 01:11:05,678 --> 01:11:08,305 and the movement had started a library. 1499 01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:10,432 And then I got my first introduction 1500 01:11:10,516 --> 01:11:14,144 to a Black person who was writing -- Richard Wright. 1501 01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:17,189 And as I read Richard Wright's book, I kept thinking, 1502 01:11:17,273 --> 01:11:20,818 "Well, do you mean Black folk can actually write books?" 1503 01:11:20,901 --> 01:11:24,947 Because I'd always been told Blacks had done no great things. 1504 01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:26,281 They hadn't done anything. 1505 01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:29,785 We had nothing that we could be proud of. 1506 01:11:29,868 --> 01:11:32,037 {\an8}♪♪ 1507 01:11:32,121 --> 01:11:34,039 Dorsey: We all looked into the things 1508 01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:36,542 because it was part of the overcoming 1509 01:11:36,625 --> 01:11:37,960 the low self-esteem 1510 01:11:38,043 --> 01:11:40,087 that we'd been made to feel about ourselves 1511 01:11:40,170 --> 01:11:42,089 and sort of reexamine our practices 1512 01:11:42,172 --> 01:11:45,801 and our behavior from positions of strength. 1513 01:11:46,885 --> 01:11:51,306 Hayes: I always felt inferior to the northern students. 1514 01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:55,019 Personally, I thought they were smarter than we were. 1515 01:11:55,102 --> 01:12:00,399 I thought -- And they thought they were smarter than we were. 1516 01:12:00,482 --> 01:12:03,736 I knew we knew more about Mississippi than they did, 1517 01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:07,656 but they had the ability to carry out these long analyses 1518 01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:11,994 and intellectual discussions about our environment, 1519 01:12:12,077 --> 01:12:16,623 and that seemed like a foreign language to us. 1520 01:12:16,707 --> 01:12:18,625 Ganz: There were cultural tensions 1521 01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:20,127 and leadership tensions, 1522 01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:22,588 and I mean, just all the things that kind of go 1523 01:12:22,671 --> 01:12:26,675 with this encounter of these very different, 1524 01:12:26,759 --> 01:12:29,386 very different cultures and very different people. 1525 01:12:29,470 --> 01:12:32,681 I grew up believing that the police were your friends. 1526 01:12:32,765 --> 01:12:35,684 They were the crossing guards who helped you cross the street 1527 01:12:35,768 --> 01:12:40,105 and the place to call if you ran into trouble. 1528 01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:41,815 And I said, "Well, dear, 1529 01:12:41,899 --> 01:12:46,070 I never, ever at any time thought the police was my friend 1530 01:12:46,153 --> 01:12:48,864 because anytime the police showed up in my community, 1531 01:12:48,947 --> 01:12:50,074 it meant trouble." 1532 01:12:50,157 --> 01:12:56,080 {\an8}♪♪ 1533 01:12:56,163 --> 01:13:02,086 {\an8}♪♪ 1534 01:13:02,169 --> 01:13:07,966 {\an8}♪♪ 1535 01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:10,677 Ganz: The experience of arbitrary power 1536 01:13:10,761 --> 01:13:13,222 being used against you 1537 01:13:13,305 --> 01:13:15,682 was something that made me crazy. 1538 01:13:15,766 --> 01:13:21,688 The feeling of being able to depend on only yourself 1539 01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:24,274 and those most immediately close to you, 1540 01:13:24,358 --> 01:13:26,944 that the courts, the law, the whole system 1541 01:13:27,027 --> 01:13:28,904 was not there to defend you, 1542 01:13:28,987 --> 01:13:30,781 but it was in fact there to oppress you. 1543 01:13:30,864 --> 01:13:32,032 I mean, to do you in. 1544 01:13:32,116 --> 01:13:34,618 And there's no appeal to rule of reason 1545 01:13:34,701 --> 01:13:36,078 or law or anything like that. 1546 01:13:36,161 --> 01:13:39,123 It's just, "Hey, that's -- He's got the power." 1547 01:13:39,206 --> 01:13:42,459 Whew! That's a real powerful, emotional exp-- 1548 01:13:42,543 --> 01:13:44,086 You grew up in a safe, middle-class community, 1549 01:13:44,169 --> 01:13:45,754 you don't experience that. 1550 01:13:45,838 --> 01:13:49,258 And there was a combination of a feeling of powerlessness 1551 01:13:49,341 --> 01:13:56,431 and rage together that really, um... 1552 01:13:56,515 --> 01:14:01,728 makes you want to consider almost any means 1553 01:14:01,812 --> 01:14:05,732 of dealing with that because it totally takes away 1554 01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:08,944 your -- your humanity and your dignity. 1555 01:14:09,027 --> 01:14:11,447 You know, I mean, for me, I could get on a plane 1556 01:14:11,530 --> 01:14:12,948 and go back to Bakersfield. 1557 01:14:13,031 --> 01:14:16,785 And so, I mean, I can never know 1558 01:14:16,869 --> 01:14:19,830 what it is to live with that all my life. 1559 01:14:19,913 --> 01:14:21,665 For me, it was just a taste, 1560 01:14:21,748 --> 01:14:24,835 but that taste was one that, uh... 1561 01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:27,963 Well, it changed my life. 1562 01:14:28,046 --> 01:14:35,679 {\an8}♪♪ 1563 01:14:35,762 --> 01:14:43,228 {\an8}♪♪ 1564 01:14:43,312 --> 01:14:45,397 There was a time when many people in Mississippi 1565 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:46,899 thought that the disappearance 1566 01:14:46,982 --> 01:14:49,318 of the three civil-rights workers was a hoax. 1567 01:14:49,401 --> 01:14:52,112 But now that their murdered bodies have been discovered, 1568 01:14:52,196 --> 01:14:54,698 confirming what many refuse to believe, 1569 01:14:54,781 --> 01:14:57,326 the voices of doubt are still. 1570 01:14:57,409 --> 01:15:00,996 Narrator: On August 12, 1964, the bodies of Goodman, 1571 01:15:01,079 --> 01:15:03,123 Schwerner, and Chaney were found. 1572 01:15:03,207 --> 01:15:07,836 ♪ We are not afraid ♪ 1573 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:12,507 ♪ We are not afraid ♪ 1574 01:15:12,591 --> 01:15:17,804 ♪ Today ♪ 1575 01:15:17,888 --> 01:15:25,646 ♪ Oh, deep in my heart ♪ 1576 01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:31,443 ♪ I do believe ♪ 1577 01:15:31,527 --> 01:15:36,740 ♪ Oh, we shall overcome ♪ 1578 01:15:36,823 --> 01:15:39,660 ♪ Someday ♪ 1579 01:15:39,743 --> 01:15:40,911 Narrator: Two days later, 1580 01:15:40,994 --> 01:15:43,121 the Freedom Party began its convention. 1581 01:15:43,205 --> 01:15:45,540 The state convention for the Freedom Democratic Party 1582 01:15:45,624 --> 01:15:46,959 is now in session. 1583 01:15:47,042 --> 01:15:50,045 [ Cheers and applause ] 1584 01:15:50,128 --> 01:15:54,174 {\an8}I consider this an assemblage of people 1585 01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:58,887 {\an8}who, yes, have come through the wilderness of tears, 1586 01:15:58,971 --> 01:16:02,849 who, yes, have come through the beatings, 1587 01:16:02,933 --> 01:16:06,395 the harassment, the brutalization, 1588 01:16:06,478 --> 01:16:12,693 and I consider this a convention that speaks to the nation 1589 01:16:12,776 --> 01:16:14,820 and speaks to the world 1590 01:16:14,903 --> 01:16:19,908 and its voice is saying that the day has come 1591 01:16:19,992 --> 01:16:23,161 when racism must be banished 1592 01:16:23,245 --> 01:16:28,667 from the political-body politic of our country and people. 1593 01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:30,585 [ Cheers and applause ] 1594 01:16:30,669 --> 01:16:34,381 ♪ Go tell it on the mountain ♪ 1595 01:16:34,464 --> 01:16:37,551 I said, "Politics is a tough game. 1596 01:16:37,634 --> 01:16:40,595 The president has more strength than everybody else 1597 01:16:40,679 --> 01:16:44,933 put together at his renomination convention. 1598 01:16:45,017 --> 01:16:49,271 But we've got such a wonderful case against the other side." 1599 01:16:49,354 --> 01:16:51,189 I told them they were gonna win. 1600 01:16:51,273 --> 01:16:53,817 ♪ Let me people go ♪ 1601 01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:57,988 Walking in to the hall that Sunday morning 1602 01:16:58,071 --> 01:17:00,699 and -- and seeing all of these people here 1603 01:17:00,782 --> 01:17:02,659 and how pleased they were 1604 01:17:02,743 --> 01:17:06,621 and how proud they were with themselves and each other 1605 01:17:06,705 --> 01:17:08,915 was just one fantastic reward 1606 01:17:08,999 --> 01:17:12,961 for all of the risk that had been taken up until that time. 1607 01:17:13,045 --> 01:17:15,881 They knew that we're going to Atlantic City. 1608 01:17:15,964 --> 01:17:19,134 You know, the sharecroppers, the maids, 1609 01:17:19,217 --> 01:17:21,345 the, you know, the people, 1610 01:17:21,428 --> 01:17:24,973 those who always looked elsewhere for their leadership, 1611 01:17:25,057 --> 01:17:28,310 always looked to other people for their leadership. 1612 01:17:28,393 --> 01:17:32,731 Narrator: The MFDP was winning allies in the North. 1613 01:17:32,814 --> 01:17:36,234 9 Democratic delegations and 25 congressmen 1614 01:17:36,318 --> 01:17:38,403 had decided to back its challenge. 1615 01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:42,032 ♪ Go tell it on the mountain ♪ 1616 01:17:42,115 --> 01:17:45,994 ♪ To let my people go ♪ 1617 01:17:46,078 --> 01:17:48,330 And then you can begin to see 1618 01:17:48,413 --> 01:17:51,041 that maybe you are stepping onto the -- 1619 01:17:51,124 --> 01:17:52,834 onto the stage of history 1620 01:17:52,918 --> 01:17:55,003 because you could begin to see this -- 1621 01:17:55,087 --> 01:17:56,338 this mammoth thing unfold. 1622 01:17:56,421 --> 01:17:57,672 And it was much bigger than life. 1623 01:17:57,756 --> 01:17:59,883 It was much bigger than any one of us. 1624 01:17:59,966 --> 01:18:03,178 And it was through the efforts of all that it came together. 1625 01:18:03,261 --> 01:18:06,014 ♪ Nothing but freedom ♪ 1626 01:18:06,098 --> 01:18:09,434 ♪ Over me, over me ♪ 1627 01:18:09,518 --> 01:18:12,062 We knew that we were, you know, 1628 01:18:12,145 --> 01:18:14,481 the true representatives of the people going, 1629 01:18:14,564 --> 01:18:16,858 so I think everybody was up. 1630 01:18:16,942 --> 01:18:20,320 ♪ And go home to my Lord ♪ 1631 01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:22,197 ♪ And be free ♪ 1632 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,033 I felt that our argument was strong enough 1633 01:18:25,117 --> 01:18:26,535 and certainly valid. 1634 01:18:26,618 --> 01:18:28,912 I had expectations that they were gonna go up there 1635 01:18:28,995 --> 01:18:31,373 and really give the Democratic Party fits. 1636 01:18:31,456 --> 01:18:33,792 ♪ Oh, I'll be a slave ♪ 1637 01:18:33,875 --> 01:18:36,920 ♪ I'll be buried in my grave ♪ 1638 01:18:37,003 --> 01:18:39,256 I think we thought anything could happen, 1639 01:18:39,339 --> 01:18:41,716 that they might could go up in and unseat people. 1640 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,137 We had the kind of confidence that the righteous have. 1641 01:18:45,220 --> 01:18:48,807 Nothing could happen except success. 1642 01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:50,851 ♪ No more moanin' ♪ 1643 01:18:50,934 --> 01:18:52,728 Sellars: We took up a number of people 1644 01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:54,646 who had never been out of the state of Mississippi 1645 01:18:54,729 --> 01:18:56,148 in their lives. 1646 01:18:56,231 --> 01:18:58,733 Some had never been out of the county that they grew up in. 1647 01:18:58,817 --> 01:19:02,237 And here they were, going north to represent their families 1648 01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:03,989 and their friends and their party 1649 01:19:04,072 --> 01:19:06,199 and their county and their precinct. 1650 01:19:06,283 --> 01:19:08,702 And it was just a good feeling that here we are. 1651 01:19:08,785 --> 01:19:10,912 We on the threshold of bringing about change. 1652 01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,706 ♪ Oh, freedom ♪ 1653 01:19:12,789 --> 01:19:15,917 ♪ Oh, freedom ♪ 1654 01:19:16,001 --> 01:19:18,920 ♪ Oh, freedom ♪♪ 1655 01:19:19,004 --> 01:19:20,505 ♪ Miss Dolly ♪ 1656 01:19:20,589 --> 01:19:25,093 ♪ It's so nice to have you back where you belong ♪ 1657 01:19:25,177 --> 01:19:27,971 ♪ You're lookin' swell, Dolly ♪ 1658 01:19:28,054 --> 01:19:30,599 ♪ I can tell, Dolly ♪ 1659 01:19:30,682 --> 01:19:33,351 ♪ You're still glowin', you're still crowin' ♪ 1660 01:19:33,435 --> 01:19:35,896 ♪ You're still goin' strong ♪ 1661 01:19:35,979 --> 01:19:38,857 ♪ I feel the room swayin' ♪ 1662 01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:41,818 ♪ While the band is playin' ♪ 1663 01:19:41,902 --> 01:19:44,696 Rauh: I was certain that the Democratic Party 1664 01:19:44,779 --> 01:19:48,325 would cast out the Dixiecrats from Mississippi. 1665 01:19:48,408 --> 01:19:52,454 I had real hopes that we were on the verge of a breakthrough. 1666 01:19:52,537 --> 01:19:56,166 ♪ Dolly must never go away again ♪ 1667 01:19:56,249 --> 01:19:59,252 {\an8}♪♪ 1668 01:19:59,336 --> 01:20:00,545 Narrator: To gain seats 1669 01:20:00,629 --> 01:20:02,547 as Mississippi delegates to the convention, 1670 01:20:02,631 --> 01:20:04,883 the MFDP would first need to testify 1671 01:20:04,966 --> 01:20:07,260 before the credentials committee. 1672 01:20:07,344 --> 01:20:08,929 The delegates carried with them evidence 1673 01:20:09,012 --> 01:20:12,098 they had been shut out of the political system. 1674 01:20:12,182 --> 01:20:13,850 As challengers, they set out 1675 01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:16,478 to win the hearts and minds of the nation. 1676 01:20:17,395 --> 01:20:19,523 Ganz: On the boardwalk across from the convention center, 1677 01:20:19,606 --> 01:20:22,692 there was the picture of Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner. 1678 01:20:22,776 --> 01:20:24,945 And that was sort of our encampment over there 1679 01:20:25,028 --> 01:20:27,405 and our vigil that we were holding. 1680 01:20:27,489 --> 01:20:29,115 Sellars: We brought the Freedom Singers out 1681 01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:32,452 and we sung freedom songs, and we had the delegates out, 1682 01:20:32,536 --> 01:20:34,079 lobbying people on the boardwalk 1683 01:20:34,162 --> 01:20:36,957 and lobbying other delegates and telling the story. 1684 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,001 We did everything that we could possibly do 1685 01:20:40,085 --> 01:20:41,503 to make the case 1686 01:20:41,586 --> 01:20:43,338 for the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party. 1687 01:20:43,421 --> 01:20:46,841 Go tell it on the mountain 1688 01:20:46,925 --> 01:20:49,261 ♪ Over the hills... ♪ 1689 01:20:49,344 --> 01:20:51,763 We had the burnt-out Ford station wagon 1690 01:20:51,846 --> 01:20:54,099 that Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner were in. 1691 01:20:54,182 --> 01:20:56,851 We got the bell from the church that burned. 1692 01:20:56,935 --> 01:20:58,853 We had anticipated just appealing 1693 01:20:58,937 --> 01:21:00,730 to the consciousness of America, 1694 01:21:00,814 --> 01:21:04,025 and America would stand up and say, "No more, Mississippi." 1695 01:21:04,109 --> 01:21:05,694 ♪ ...go ♪ 1696 01:21:05,777 --> 01:21:08,780 ♪ Children of the Israelites ♪ 1697 01:21:08,863 --> 01:21:09,990 ♪ Oh, let my people go ♪ 1698 01:21:10,073 --> 01:21:11,533 Reporter #3: With its special coverage 1699 01:21:11,616 --> 01:21:13,076 of the activities leading to the opening 1700 01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:15,203 of the Democratic National Convention. 1701 01:21:15,287 --> 01:21:18,415 The Credentials Committee of the Democratic Convention 1702 01:21:18,498 --> 01:21:20,667 has now begun to deal with the case 1703 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:24,379 of the Mississippi rival delegation... 1704 01:21:24,462 --> 01:21:25,839 Narrator: As Mississippi's Dixiecrats 1705 01:21:25,922 --> 01:21:28,049 {\an8}fought against seating the Freedom delegates, 1706 01:21:28,133 --> 01:21:31,761 {\an8}the MFDP brought its story to national television. 1707 01:21:31,845 --> 01:21:34,723 {\an8}And what I want the credentials committee to hear 1708 01:21:34,806 --> 01:21:38,226 {\an8}is the terror which the regular party uses 1709 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:39,686 {\an8}on the people of Mississippi, 1710 01:21:39,769 --> 01:21:42,105 which is what the next witness will explain. 1711 01:21:42,188 --> 01:21:44,232 Mrs. Fannie Lou Hamer. 1712 01:21:44,316 --> 01:21:48,403 {\an8}Moses: I remember being in back of the Credentials Committee 1713 01:21:48,486 --> 01:21:51,573 when Mrs. Hamer was testifying. 1714 01:21:51,656 --> 01:21:56,578 It was the 31st of August in 1962 1715 01:21:56,661 --> 01:22:00,081 that 18 of us traveled 26 miles 1716 01:22:00,165 --> 01:22:03,376 to the county courthouse in Indianola 1717 01:22:03,460 --> 01:22:07,255 to try to register to become first-class citizens. 1718 01:22:07,339 --> 01:22:12,761 {\an8}Moses: And that was a wonderful charging experience, 1719 01:22:12,844 --> 01:22:16,806 {\an8}right, to hear her deliver that testimony 1720 01:22:16,890 --> 01:22:20,727 in front of all those people and to the whole country. 1721 01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:23,772 {\an5}...Indianola, where the bus driver 1722 01:22:23,855 --> 01:22:25,398 was charged that day 1723 01:22:25,482 --> 01:22:28,568 with driving a bus the wrong color. 1724 01:22:28,652 --> 01:22:31,404 Reporter #4: We will return to this scene in Atlantic City, 1725 01:22:31,488 --> 01:22:33,782 but now we switch to the White House 1726 01:22:33,865 --> 01:22:35,283 and NBC's Robert Goralski. 1727 01:22:35,367 --> 01:22:39,496 {\an8}Rauh: Johnson saw her and blew his stack, 1728 01:22:39,579 --> 01:22:44,167 and he called a press conference to get her off the air. 1729 01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:47,629 On this day nine months ago... 1730 01:22:47,712 --> 01:22:49,214 Moses: Here you had a story 1731 01:22:49,297 --> 01:22:51,591 that the country really needed to hear, 1732 01:22:51,675 --> 01:22:54,969 and what you have is the president of the United States 1733 01:22:55,053 --> 01:22:57,263 thwarting the democratic process. 1734 01:22:57,347 --> 01:23:02,435 That night, the networks really fixed Johnson's wagon. 1735 01:23:02,519 --> 01:23:06,773 They replayed Fannie Lou Hamer in full. 1736 01:23:06,856 --> 01:23:11,361 If the Freedom Democratic Party is not seated now, 1737 01:23:11,444 --> 01:23:13,321 I question America. 1738 01:23:13,405 --> 01:23:15,907 Is this America, 1739 01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:19,327 the land of the free and the home of the brave, 1740 01:23:19,411 --> 01:23:24,666 where we have to sleep with our telephones off the hook 1741 01:23:24,749 --> 01:23:28,002 because our lives are being threatened daily 1742 01:23:28,086 --> 01:23:29,879 because we want to live 1743 01:23:29,963 --> 01:23:33,007 as decent human beings in America? 1744 01:23:33,091 --> 01:23:35,385 Thank you. 1745 01:23:35,468 --> 01:23:36,678 [ Applause ] 1746 01:23:36,761 --> 01:23:41,266 Boy, after that, it was just like we had it made. 1747 01:23:41,349 --> 01:23:44,686 Man #6: I am proud to report to you as chairman 1748 01:23:44,769 --> 01:23:47,856 of the Oregon delegation to this convention 1749 01:23:47,939 --> 01:23:51,818 that in a meeting of the delegation this morning, 1750 01:23:51,901 --> 01:23:53,361 we voted 20 to nothing 1751 01:23:53,445 --> 01:23:56,698 to take this Mississippi issue to the floor 1752 01:23:56,781 --> 01:23:58,158 of this convention. 1753 01:23:58,241 --> 01:23:59,784 [ Cheers and applause ] 1754 01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:02,787 {\an8}♪♪ 1755 01:24:02,871 --> 01:24:06,583 ♪ Let my people go ♪ 1756 01:24:06,666 --> 01:24:11,004 ♪ Look like the children by Moses' land ♪ 1757 01:24:11,087 --> 01:24:15,341 ♪ Let my people go ♪ 1758 01:24:15,425 --> 01:24:17,385 Dorsey: I mean, we were charged up, 1759 01:24:17,469 --> 01:24:20,096 and we were right that what these folk were doing 1760 01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:21,473 were wrong and immoral 1761 01:24:21,556 --> 01:24:24,559 and that they were not playing by the rules, 1762 01:24:24,642 --> 01:24:25,977 which, in fact, we've been taught 1763 01:24:26,060 --> 01:24:27,771 that the country was supposed to go by. 1764 01:24:27,854 --> 01:24:31,232 And I don't think that if this issue 1765 01:24:31,316 --> 01:24:34,027 gets to the floor of that convention, 1766 01:24:34,110 --> 01:24:37,363 that they can possibly turn them down. 1767 01:24:37,447 --> 01:24:39,908 I don't see how they possibly can do it 1768 01:24:39,991 --> 01:24:42,744 if they really understand what's at stake. 1769 01:24:44,871 --> 01:24:47,040 Dorsey: And we thought that once we presented ourselves 1770 01:24:47,123 --> 01:24:49,042 in an organized fashion 1771 01:24:49,125 --> 01:24:51,127 where you would actually confront people 1772 01:24:51,211 --> 01:24:53,671 with what they were doing that was wrong 1773 01:24:53,755 --> 01:24:55,715 and remind them of what they were supposed to be doing 1774 01:24:55,799 --> 01:24:57,801 and they would simply stop doing what was wrong. 1775 01:24:57,884 --> 01:24:59,260 This is America. 1776 01:24:59,344 --> 01:25:02,096 I believe any man should be able to rise. 1777 01:25:02,180 --> 01:25:03,765 {\an8}Narrator: Although Mississippi's Dixiecrats 1778 01:25:03,848 --> 01:25:06,935 {\an8}threatened to campaign for the Republican candidate, 1779 01:25:07,018 --> 01:25:10,104 they held one advantage over the MFDP. 1780 01:25:10,188 --> 01:25:13,691 President Johnson feared that seating a Black delegation 1781 01:25:13,775 --> 01:25:16,319 would lose him the entire Southern vote. 1782 01:25:16,402 --> 01:25:18,822 Reporter #5: Delegates of the Freedom Democratic Party. 1783 01:25:18,905 --> 01:25:22,408 These people who have, in their convention in Jackson, 1784 01:25:22,492 --> 01:25:25,495 Mississippi, turned themselves delegates. 1785 01:25:25,578 --> 01:25:27,580 Narrator: Johnson gave Hubert Humphrey 1786 01:25:27,664 --> 01:25:30,208 the job of stopping the MFDP's bid. 1787 01:25:30,291 --> 01:25:34,337 [ Chuckles ] Well, so then Hubert Humphrey came to town 1788 01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:37,674 and, you know, Mr. Liberal. 1789 01:25:37,757 --> 01:25:40,093 And it turned out that he'd been sent in by Johnson 1790 01:25:40,176 --> 01:25:41,427 as a hatchet man. 1791 01:25:41,511 --> 01:25:42,804 My only interest in this 1792 01:25:42,887 --> 01:25:46,015 is that it was an attempt to try to bring about 1793 01:25:46,099 --> 01:25:48,226 a reconciliation of views and the hopes 1794 01:25:48,309 --> 01:25:50,687 to keep our convention united. 1795 01:25:50,770 --> 01:25:52,063 Sellars: If Humphrey wanted to be 1796 01:25:52,146 --> 01:25:54,983 the Democratic vice president nominee, 1797 01:25:55,066 --> 01:25:59,195 then he would have to assist in bringing about a compromise 1798 01:25:59,279 --> 01:26:03,408 because Lyndon did not want to alienate 1799 01:26:03,491 --> 01:26:06,786 the Southern constituency, the Southern Dixiecrats. 1800 01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:08,955 Johnson puts pressure on everybody. 1801 01:26:09,038 --> 01:26:11,624 His pressure on me was very simple. 1802 01:26:11,708 --> 01:26:13,877 He took the two people who probably would have 1803 01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,547 had the most important part in my life at that moment. 1804 01:26:17,630 --> 01:26:21,593 Hubert Humphrey, my close political associate. 1805 01:26:21,676 --> 01:26:23,761 And Walter Reuther, the head of UAW, 1806 01:26:23,845 --> 01:26:26,723 the autoworkers of which I was the general counsel. 1807 01:26:26,806 --> 01:26:30,685 That was my best client. So he's a genius at that. 1808 01:26:30,768 --> 01:26:32,437 I think he must have studied at the foot 1809 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,272 of a famous British politician 1810 01:26:34,355 --> 01:26:37,483 who said, "Every man has his price." 1811 01:26:37,567 --> 01:26:41,195 All of a sudden, we started getting all these reports back 1812 01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:44,282 that people were having to change. 1813 01:26:44,365 --> 01:26:46,701 And I remember very specifically a woman 1814 01:26:46,784 --> 01:26:48,494 from the California delegation here 1815 01:26:48,578 --> 01:26:52,832 who -- who -- a Black woman who broke down crying 1816 01:26:52,916 --> 01:26:54,042 after she'd been visited 1817 01:26:54,125 --> 01:26:56,336 by one of the Democratic powers-that-be 1818 01:26:56,419 --> 01:26:58,880 told that, well, her husband was up for a judgeship 1819 01:26:58,963 --> 01:27:00,548 and he could just forget it if she voted 1820 01:27:00,632 --> 01:27:02,884 for the Freedom Delegation. 1821 01:27:02,967 --> 01:27:06,471 Well, welcome to the real world of Democratic politics. 1822 01:27:06,554 --> 01:27:11,935 Tuesday afternoon was the real crux of the fight. 1823 01:27:12,018 --> 01:27:13,978 Mondale: It may not satisfy everybody... 1824 01:27:14,062 --> 01:27:16,397 Narrator: At the Credentials Committee meeting, 1825 01:27:16,481 --> 01:27:18,900 Humphrey's protégé, Walter Mondale, 1826 01:27:18,983 --> 01:27:22,153 offered a compromise solution approved by Johnson. 1827 01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:25,239 At the same moment, away from the committee hearing, 1828 01:27:25,323 --> 01:27:29,744 Humphrey requested a separate meeting with MFDP leaders. 1829 01:27:29,827 --> 01:27:35,416 {\an8}They wanted to meet with a few of us over at the hotel, 1830 01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:41,130 {\an8}and they began a discussion of what the administration 1831 01:27:41,214 --> 01:27:43,758 {\an8}was willing to propose to the delegation, 1832 01:27:43,841 --> 01:27:47,261 which was essentially an offer for a symbolic power. 1833 01:27:47,345 --> 01:27:51,182 That wasn't what -- was anything that we could accept. 1834 01:27:51,265 --> 01:27:54,060 Mondale: We recommend that the convention adopt 1835 01:27:54,143 --> 01:27:55,979 the following resolution. 1836 01:27:56,062 --> 01:27:59,190 Rauh: Walter Mondale kept saying it was now a fair compromise. 1837 01:27:59,273 --> 01:28:02,151 When I finally got the floor, I said, "Look, 1838 01:28:02,235 --> 01:28:05,113 we have made progress, but you've got to ask 1839 01:28:05,196 --> 01:28:07,615 Aaron Henry, the head of the delegation, 1840 01:28:07,699 --> 01:28:08,616 what he thinks." 1841 01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:10,576 At that moment, 1842 01:28:10,660 --> 01:28:13,621 Aaron Henry and Bob and all the others 1843 01:28:13,705 --> 01:28:15,415 were with Reuther and Humphrey. 1844 01:28:15,498 --> 01:28:19,419 I begged for an adjournment for a couple of hours. 1845 01:28:19,502 --> 01:28:20,670 "Vote, vote, vote!" 1846 01:28:20,753 --> 01:28:23,172 You could hear it like a legal lynching. 1847 01:28:23,256 --> 01:28:25,091 I did everything I could at the time. 1848 01:28:25,174 --> 01:28:26,175 I tried to filibuster. 1849 01:28:26,259 --> 01:28:27,760 "Vote, vote, vote!" 1850 01:28:27,844 --> 01:28:32,640 I made a motion that we have a roll call. 1851 01:28:32,724 --> 01:28:34,308 "Vote, vote, vote!" 1852 01:28:34,392 --> 01:28:36,019 Hopeless. 1853 01:28:36,102 --> 01:28:39,063 It was just decided to go ahead. 1854 01:28:39,147 --> 01:28:40,773 Reporter #6: If you've been out to the movies 1855 01:28:40,857 --> 01:28:42,525 hear in a few seconds 1856 01:28:42,608 --> 01:28:45,611 what has happened so far in the convention this evening. 1857 01:28:45,695 --> 01:28:50,033 The Credentials Committee, after laborious work, 1858 01:28:50,116 --> 01:28:51,534 came up with a compromise 1859 01:28:51,617 --> 01:28:55,371 to accept the Mississippi delegation from the one 1860 01:28:55,455 --> 01:28:57,123 that is mainly Negro 1861 01:28:57,206 --> 01:28:59,792 into the convention hall as honored guests 1862 01:28:59,876 --> 01:29:03,921 and to let two of its members cast votes 1863 01:29:04,005 --> 01:29:06,382 as delegates at large, which is something 1864 01:29:06,466 --> 01:29:09,594 that has never been heard of in a convention before. 1865 01:29:09,677 --> 01:29:10,845 Moses: When we left the meeting, 1866 01:29:10,928 --> 01:29:13,681 we found a phalanx of media people 1867 01:29:13,765 --> 01:29:19,312 with cameras out in the hallway, and they were asking us, 1868 01:29:19,395 --> 01:29:21,898 What did we feel about the compromise? 1869 01:29:21,981 --> 01:29:27,111 And it gradually dawned on us that a decision had been reached 1870 01:29:27,195 --> 01:29:29,739 while we were actually discussing 1871 01:29:29,822 --> 01:29:32,533 what the proposal would be. 1872 01:29:32,617 --> 01:29:35,953 {\an8}It was just complete, you know, 1873 01:29:36,037 --> 01:29:38,206 manipulation and cynicism. 1874 01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:41,042 You feel the acceptance of a compromise, 1875 01:29:41,125 --> 01:29:42,710 whether it was a victory at this point? 1876 01:29:42,794 --> 01:29:44,087 Yes, I do. 1877 01:29:44,170 --> 01:29:46,798 I think it was a victory for the forces of reason, 1878 01:29:46,881 --> 01:29:49,217 and I think it was a victory for the Democrats. 1879 01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:51,385 I think it was a victory for our country. 1880 01:29:51,469 --> 01:29:54,347 Moses: The next day, then we had the big meeting 1881 01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:57,725 to discuss whether or not the delegation wanted 1882 01:29:57,809 --> 01:30:00,728 to accept these two symbolic seats. 1883 01:30:00,812 --> 01:30:06,526 They didn't just offer the delegation two seats at large. 1884 01:30:06,609 --> 01:30:08,528 They offered the delegation two seats 1885 01:30:08,611 --> 01:30:13,074 at large to be occupied by Aaron Henry and Ed King, 1886 01:30:13,157 --> 01:30:16,911 the chairman of the delegation and the national committeeman. 1887 01:30:16,994 --> 01:30:19,956 And we spent I don't know how long there. 1888 01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:21,624 I know it was a long time 1889 01:30:21,707 --> 01:30:26,754 and people debated why we should and why we shouldn't. 1890 01:30:26,838 --> 01:30:28,422 Sellars: Many of the people who were coming in, 1891 01:30:28,506 --> 01:30:30,967 we thought were people who were gonna be supportive 1892 01:30:31,050 --> 01:30:35,263 and encourage us to fight, not to accept the compromise. 1893 01:30:35,346 --> 01:30:36,889 And what was happening is that these people 1894 01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:39,600 were turning almost in your -- in your face. 1895 01:30:39,684 --> 01:30:43,354 Almost every liberal spokesperson of the time came. 1896 01:30:43,437 --> 01:30:45,773 I sat in the church. There was the Freedom Delegation. 1897 01:30:45,857 --> 01:30:49,777 Edith Green, Wayne Morris, Dr. King, Walter Reuther. 1898 01:30:49,861 --> 01:30:52,989 Everybody came through that afternoon and made speeches 1899 01:30:53,072 --> 01:30:54,615 recommending to the Freedom Delegation 1900 01:30:54,699 --> 01:30:56,284 that they accept the compromise. 1901 01:30:56,367 --> 01:30:57,702 They thought, you know, 1902 01:30:57,785 --> 01:31:00,746 "Hey, this is something. It's better than nothing." 1903 01:31:00,830 --> 01:31:05,501 But the fact of the matter was it was nothing. 1904 01:31:05,585 --> 01:31:07,044 Sellars: And I think it was Miss Hamer who said 1905 01:31:07,128 --> 01:31:09,130 that we have come too far. We worked too hard. 1906 01:31:09,213 --> 01:31:11,382 We've suffered too much to come up here 1907 01:31:11,465 --> 01:31:14,635 and not get anything but a crumb of bread. 1908 01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:16,762 Moses: It was very clear to them 1909 01:31:16,846 --> 01:31:20,683 that they were not being asked to share power. 1910 01:31:20,766 --> 01:31:23,478 The question was called for, the vote was taken. 1911 01:31:23,561 --> 01:31:26,898 And the answer was no, we won't accept it. 1912 01:31:26,981 --> 01:31:31,402 And, uh, that was a pretty sobering moment. 1913 01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:34,989 Narrator: The regular Mississippi Democrats 1914 01:31:35,072 --> 01:31:37,074 also rejected the compromise. 1915 01:31:37,158 --> 01:31:39,493 They refused to honor its call for a loyalty oath 1916 01:31:39,577 --> 01:31:43,247 to the Democratic ticket and walked out of the convention. 1917 01:31:43,331 --> 01:31:45,917 In a last attempt at symbolic recognition, 1918 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,837 MFDP members tried to fill the empty Mississippi seats. 1919 01:31:49,921 --> 01:31:51,172 Chancellor: I'm now in the middle 1920 01:31:51,255 --> 01:31:52,965 {\an8}of the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party 1921 01:31:53,049 --> 01:31:54,258 {\an8}or what's left of it. 1922 01:31:54,342 --> 01:31:57,762 {\an8}They say all 68 or 69 delegates are here. 1923 01:31:57,845 --> 01:32:00,598 {\an8}They are starting their march in the hall now. 1924 01:32:00,681 --> 01:32:03,267 {\an8}Ganz: We decided, "Well, we're gonna just take this thing 1925 01:32:03,351 --> 01:32:06,479 the next step and get seated on the floor anyway 1926 01:32:06,562 --> 01:32:08,689 in protest against what was going on." 1927 01:32:08,773 --> 01:32:09,857 Reporter #7: One by one, 1928 01:32:09,941 --> 01:32:11,192 the members of the Freedom Delegation 1929 01:32:11,275 --> 01:32:13,236 from Mississippi are getting into the hall, 1930 01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:16,030 and they are doing it by sending one in at a time 1931 01:32:16,113 --> 01:32:18,908 to borrow credentials from those who are already in, 1932 01:32:18,991 --> 01:32:20,076 carry them out of their pockets 1933 01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:21,536 and give it to somebody else. 1934 01:32:21,619 --> 01:32:23,496 This process is being repeated 1935 01:32:23,579 --> 01:32:26,707 and presumably soon they will all be inside. 1936 01:32:26,791 --> 01:32:27,875 Reporter #8: Could you tell us, sir, 1937 01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:29,293 did you walk in with a ticket? 1938 01:32:29,377 --> 01:32:31,045 {\an8}Man #7: Yes, I have a ticket. I walked in. 1939 01:32:31,128 --> 01:32:35,299 {\an8}Moses: What that convention was, it was a huge classroom. 1940 01:32:35,383 --> 01:32:39,762 People were actually learning the democratic process, 1941 01:32:39,845 --> 01:32:41,889 right, in the convention. 1942 01:32:41,973 --> 01:32:46,477 It was a great sort of theater for empowerment. 1943 01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,396 Woman #5: Before the eyes of the world, 1944 01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,731 they are peaceful and loving. 1945 01:32:50,815 --> 01:32:53,442 And when they get back to Mississippi, 1946 01:32:53,526 --> 01:32:57,363 "Nigger, you can't come in here. Nigger, you can't come in there. 1947 01:32:57,446 --> 01:32:58,739 Nigger, you get out!" 1948 01:32:58,823 --> 01:33:02,576 All we want is a chance to be a part of America. 1949 01:33:02,660 --> 01:33:06,122 Ganz: The last night, Johnson came out on the balcony, 1950 01:33:06,205 --> 01:33:07,415 across from our vigil 1951 01:33:07,498 --> 01:33:09,583 of Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner 1952 01:33:09,667 --> 01:33:12,169 and tried to speak, and we tried to do everything 1953 01:33:12,253 --> 01:33:15,798 we can to let him know that his actions spoke louder 1954 01:33:15,881 --> 01:33:18,467 than any words he could possibly say. 1955 01:33:18,551 --> 01:33:21,554 And, uh... 1956 01:33:21,637 --> 01:33:26,017 we left Atlantic City with this profound sense of betrayal. 1957 01:33:28,227 --> 01:33:33,441 {\an8}♪♪ 1958 01:33:33,524 --> 01:33:38,612 {\an8}♪♪ 1959 01:33:38,696 --> 01:33:42,533 It undermined for me any faith in what -- 1960 01:33:42,616 --> 01:33:45,703 what is called the democratic process 1961 01:33:45,786 --> 01:33:47,121 in this country. 1962 01:33:47,204 --> 01:33:50,958 I mean, angry, wondering, where do you go from here? 1963 01:33:51,042 --> 01:33:53,544 What is the next step if you've done everything? 1964 01:33:53,627 --> 01:33:56,797 If the official electoral process doesn't work 1965 01:33:56,881 --> 01:33:58,341 because Blacks were excluded 1966 01:33:58,424 --> 01:34:01,344 and you've done everything you could with nonviolence, 1967 01:34:01,427 --> 01:34:03,346 then with organizing 1968 01:34:03,429 --> 01:34:05,723 and with talking with people and being reasonable, 1969 01:34:05,806 --> 01:34:09,477 and if that doesn't work, where do you go next? 1970 01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:15,816 My hopes and dreams about being part 1971 01:34:15,900 --> 01:34:18,319 of the National Democratic Party was dead. 1972 01:34:18,402 --> 01:34:22,615 ♪ Beep beep, bang bang, ungawa, black power ♪ 1973 01:34:22,698 --> 01:34:26,327 ♪ Beep beep, bang bang, ungawa, black power ♪ 1974 01:34:26,410 --> 01:34:31,040 Moses: You lost a group of young Black people 1975 01:34:31,123 --> 01:34:35,086 who were looking to that political process 1976 01:34:35,169 --> 01:34:36,670 as a legitimate process 1977 01:34:36,754 --> 01:34:41,634 for entering into real power sharing. 1978 01:34:41,717 --> 01:34:44,845 And then you also began to disillusion 1979 01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:47,890 a whole generation of young White people. 1980 01:34:47,973 --> 01:34:52,520 [ Indistinct yelling ] 1981 01:34:52,603 --> 01:34:56,315 The Democratic Party missed the chance 1982 01:34:56,399 --> 01:35:02,530 to capture the attention and energy of the generation 1983 01:35:02,613 --> 01:35:07,535 that really set the tone for the '60s. 1984 01:35:07,618 --> 01:35:11,872 {\an8}♪♪ 1985 01:35:11,956 --> 01:35:13,707 Ganz: They were afraid of young people, 1986 01:35:13,791 --> 01:35:15,376 they were afraid of change, 1987 01:35:15,459 --> 01:35:19,004 they were afraid of opening the doors to all the new ideas 1988 01:35:19,088 --> 01:35:21,173 and fresh blood that wanted in. 1989 01:35:21,257 --> 01:35:23,050 And it's like they had erected barriers 1990 01:35:23,134 --> 01:35:24,718 and wanted to keep us out. 1991 01:35:24,802 --> 01:35:29,348 And to their own ultimate, um, uh... 1992 01:35:29,432 --> 01:35:31,892 Not just to their shame, but to their -- 1993 01:35:31,976 --> 01:35:33,018 to their undoing. 1994 01:35:33,102 --> 01:35:37,231 {\an8}♪♪ 1995 01:35:37,314 --> 01:35:39,900 Moses: What happened there in '64 symbolized 1996 01:35:39,984 --> 01:35:41,902 the situation that we're in now, 1997 01:35:41,986 --> 01:35:45,281 that is the National Democratic Party 1998 01:35:45,364 --> 01:35:47,616 and the political leadership of that time said, 1999 01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:52,413 "Okay, there's room for these kind of people." 2000 01:35:52,496 --> 01:35:54,039 Right? 2001 01:35:54,123 --> 01:35:57,626 And it was the professional people within our group, right, 2002 01:35:57,710 --> 01:36:00,087 who were asked to become part 2003 01:36:00,171 --> 01:36:04,467 and actually did become part of the Democratic Party. 2004 01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:06,510 But on the other hand, they said, 2005 01:36:06,594 --> 01:36:09,096 "There isn't room for these people." 2006 01:36:09,180 --> 01:36:11,807 Right? The grassroots people, the sharecroppers, 2007 01:36:11,891 --> 01:36:15,895 the common workers, the day workers, right? 2008 01:36:15,978 --> 01:36:20,483 There's room for them as recipients of largesse. 2009 01:36:20,566 --> 01:36:24,361 Right? Poverty programs and the like. 2010 01:36:24,445 --> 01:36:29,200 There isn't room for them as participants in power sharing. 2011 01:36:31,494 --> 01:36:35,122 A different scenario that could have worked its way out 2012 01:36:35,206 --> 01:36:39,668 would have been for empowering the Freedom Democratic Party. 2013 01:36:39,752 --> 01:36:41,962 There would have been a struggle, 2014 01:36:42,046 --> 01:36:46,926 right, and vicious struggle, but not armed struggle. 2015 01:36:47,009 --> 01:36:48,886 At once it got into armed struggle 2016 01:36:48,969 --> 01:36:53,474 and rioting and shooting and calling in the National Guard, 2017 01:36:53,557 --> 01:36:55,351 then you got into a polarization, 2018 01:36:55,434 --> 01:36:57,937 which we are not out of yet. 2019 01:36:58,020 --> 01:37:01,649 It's one of the great tragedies of this country. 2020 01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:09,657 {\an8}♪♪ 2021 01:37:09,740 --> 01:37:16,455 {\an8}♪♪ 2022 01:37:16,539 --> 01:37:22,962 {\an8}♪♪ 2023 01:37:23,045 --> 01:37:27,591 {\an5}Dorsey: Economically, I think things are worse in many ways. 2024 01:37:27,675 --> 01:37:30,511 I can take you to places where people still live 2025 01:37:30,594 --> 01:37:33,180 under very oppressive poverty. 2026 01:37:33,264 --> 01:37:37,101 There are places like this still in this state. 2027 01:37:37,184 --> 01:37:39,353 But the most significant thing I think 2028 01:37:39,436 --> 01:37:42,356 that the movement gave to us 2029 01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:46,860 was it removed people from fear. 2030 01:37:46,944 --> 01:37:52,157 The freedom from fear of being dragged out of your house 2031 01:37:52,241 --> 01:37:53,701 in the middle of the night for daring 2032 01:37:53,784 --> 01:37:57,288 to want to be a part of the mainstream, 2033 01:37:57,371 --> 01:37:59,415 a want to dream, a want to participate, 2034 01:37:59,498 --> 01:38:02,001 a want to have that equal justice 2035 01:38:02,084 --> 01:38:03,294 and equal pay for equal work 2036 01:38:03,377 --> 01:38:05,588 that my father used to talk about. 2037 01:38:05,671 --> 01:38:08,924 The generations since the movement have not been taught 2038 01:38:09,008 --> 01:38:11,510 to stay in their place or to understand 2039 01:38:11,594 --> 01:38:15,681 that there's a certain way to walk and stand 2040 01:38:15,764 --> 01:38:18,475 and look at and relate to White people. 2041 01:38:18,559 --> 01:38:20,686 And I think that is -- For Whites and Black, 2042 01:38:20,769 --> 01:38:23,564 I think that is the most significant contribution 2043 01:38:23,647 --> 01:38:25,357 that it made to the people. 2044 01:38:25,441 --> 01:38:29,653 {\an8}♪♪ 2045 01:38:29,737 --> 01:38:32,239 Narrator: SNCC won a major battle in Mississippi. 2046 01:38:32,323 --> 01:38:34,491 One year after Atlantic City, 2047 01:38:34,575 --> 01:38:37,620 Congress passed the Voting Rights Act, 2048 01:38:37,703 --> 01:38:40,456 guaranteeing for the first time since Reconstruction, 2049 01:38:40,539 --> 01:38:43,500 federal supervision of elections. 2050 01:38:44,835 --> 01:38:46,920 Hayes: And so we walk in in 1961 2051 01:38:47,004 --> 01:38:50,674 with everything segregated, no voters. 2052 01:38:50,758 --> 01:38:52,468 The first voter we take to register to vote 2053 01:38:52,551 --> 01:38:55,137 is shot down and killed by no less than a representative 2054 01:38:55,220 --> 01:38:57,765 of the state of Mississippi. 2055 01:38:57,848 --> 01:39:02,019 But by 1965, 4 years later, 2056 01:39:02,102 --> 01:39:04,396 the books were open for these people to be registered to vote. 2057 01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:08,609 When I came back and we went to a fast-food restaurant 2058 01:39:08,692 --> 01:39:12,112 and somebody said, "Let's go on in here and order," 2059 01:39:12,196 --> 01:39:14,406 I said, "Child, we can't go in here, can we?" 2060 01:39:14,490 --> 01:39:16,951 They said, "Yeah," and we went to the counter 2061 01:39:17,034 --> 01:39:19,870 and a White man was behind the counter and he said, 2062 01:39:19,953 --> 01:39:22,331 "May I help you, ma'am?" 2063 01:39:22,414 --> 01:39:23,624 And that's when I said -- 2064 01:39:23,707 --> 01:39:26,627 And, girl, I bought the hamburger, 2065 01:39:26,710 --> 01:39:28,962 the coffee, the French fries, 2066 01:39:29,046 --> 01:39:31,924 because every time he had to say, "Ma'am" and "thank you." 2067 01:39:32,007 --> 01:39:34,677 And never before had I heard a White man, 2068 01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,806 you know, a local White man saying that kind of thing. 2069 01:39:38,889 --> 01:39:43,769 {\an8}♪♪ 2070 01:39:43,852 --> 01:39:45,312 Hayes: And I wish it were possible. 2071 01:39:45,396 --> 01:39:47,773 I wish it were possible for young people now to -- 2072 01:39:47,856 --> 01:39:50,067 Even if it was just for a day -- 2073 01:39:50,150 --> 01:39:51,944 to experience the kind of camaraderie 2074 01:39:52,027 --> 01:39:55,322 and the kind of commitment that we were a part of. 2075 01:39:55,406 --> 01:39:59,576 I mean, to hear of someone in danger 2076 01:39:59,660 --> 01:40:03,539 and see people run to that danger as hunger -- 2077 01:40:03,622 --> 01:40:06,500 As a hungry man would run to food 2078 01:40:06,583 --> 01:40:08,460 to give a hand, to give help. 2079 01:40:08,544 --> 01:40:11,839 Um... 2080 01:40:11,922 --> 01:40:15,342 There are not words truly to explain it. I mean... 2081 01:40:15,426 --> 01:40:20,013 {\an8}♪♪ 2082 01:40:20,097 --> 01:40:22,307 I still struggle to have that experience. 2083 01:40:22,391 --> 01:40:25,853 I still look for that commitment to ideals 2084 01:40:25,936 --> 01:40:27,896 greater than the individual. 2085 01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:31,859 It speaks to the needs of the whole community of humanity. 2086 01:40:31,942 --> 01:40:38,532 {\an8}♪♪ 2087 01:40:38,615 --> 01:40:45,205 {\an8}♪♪ 2088 01:40:45,289 --> 01:40:51,920 {\an8}♪♪ 2089 01:40:52,004 --> 01:40:58,761 {\an8}♪♪ 2090 01:41:00,929 --> 01:41:04,725 ♪ Woke up this morning with my mind ♪ 2091 01:41:04,808 --> 01:41:08,228 ♪ Stayed on freedom ♪ 2092 01:41:08,312 --> 01:41:12,232 {\an8}♪ Oh, woke up this morning with my mind ♪ 2093 01:41:12,316 --> 01:41:15,903 {\an8}♪ Stayed on freedom ♪ 2094 01:41:15,986 --> 01:41:19,948 {\an8}♪ Oh, woke up this morning with my mind ♪ 2095 01:41:20,032 --> 01:41:24,119 {\an8}"August 7, 1964, Ruleville, Mississippi. 2096 01:41:24,203 --> 01:41:25,579 {\an8}Dear Ollie. 2097 01:41:25,662 --> 01:41:28,207 {\an8}Ollie, this is the greatest experience of my life. 2098 01:41:28,290 --> 01:41:30,334 {\an8}I wonder what in the hell I have been doing 2099 01:41:30,417 --> 01:41:31,919 {\an8}for the last 22 years 2100 01:41:32,002 --> 01:41:35,214 {\an8}before I came down here and really lived." 2101 01:41:35,297 --> 01:41:38,884 {\an8}♪ Stayed on freedom ♪ 2102 01:41:38,967 --> 01:41:42,221 {\an8}♪ Oh, walking and talking with my mind ♪ 2103 01:41:42,304 --> 01:41:46,099 {\an8}Because the core values that were behind Mississippi Summer 2104 01:41:46,183 --> 01:41:50,229 {\an8}actually still believe are broader than just 1964, 2105 01:41:50,312 --> 01:41:51,855 {\an8}broader than civil rights, 2106 01:41:51,939 --> 01:41:56,985 {\an8}but about remaking society. 2107 01:41:57,069 --> 01:41:58,111 {\an8}♪ Hallelu ♪ 2108 01:41:58,195 --> 01:42:02,199 {\an8}♪ Hallelujah ♪ 2109 01:42:02,282 --> 01:42:05,452 {\an8}It was an incredible high 2110 01:42:05,536 --> 01:42:08,747 {\an8}to all of a sudden be with women 2111 01:42:08,831 --> 01:42:12,626 {\an8}and to hear women talk about experiences 2112 01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:14,211 {\an8}that were similar to your own. 2113 01:42:14,294 --> 01:42:17,798 {\an8}And that's when it dawned on us that it was not private. 2114 01:42:17,881 --> 01:42:21,301 {\an8}It was not personal. It was political. 2115 01:42:21,385 --> 01:42:23,303 {\an8}And, you know, that was it. 2116 01:42:23,387 --> 01:42:25,639 {\an8}I started organizing women. 2117 01:42:25,722 --> 01:42:27,140 {\an8}♪ Hallelu ♪ 2118 01:42:27,224 --> 01:42:29,142 {\an8}♪ Hallelu ♪ 2119 01:42:29,226 --> 01:42:32,145 {\an8}♪ Hallelujah ♪ 2120 01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:33,772 {\an8}♪ Let's walk! Come on and walk ♪ 2121 01:42:33,856 --> 01:42:35,816 {\an8}Sellars: You think about all the creative kinds of things 2122 01:42:35,899 --> 01:42:37,109 {\an8}that we did. 2123 01:42:37,192 --> 01:42:39,152 {\an8}When you look at all the new organizations, 2124 01:42:39,236 --> 01:42:41,321 {\an8}you began to see that things have changed. 2125 01:42:41,405 --> 01:42:43,365 {\an8}They're not what they -- what they used to be 2126 01:42:43,448 --> 01:42:45,784 {\an8}and they're certainly not the best that they could be. 2127 01:42:45,868 --> 01:42:47,119 {\an8}But they have changed. 2128 01:42:47,202 --> 01:42:50,622 {\an8}♪ Walk, walk, we're gonna walk ♪ 2129 01:42:50,706 --> 01:42:53,458 {\an8}Malva: To know that we were not alone, 2130 01:42:53,542 --> 01:42:56,837 {\an8}that we were free, you might say, 2131 01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:59,089 {\an8}we almost felt like we could just... 2132 01:42:59,172 --> 01:43:01,550 {\an9}And we quite literally didn't have to avoid 2133 01:43:01,633 --> 01:43:03,802 {\an8}certain subjects anymore 2134 01:43:03,886 --> 01:43:07,139 {\an8}There we stood, and to hell with you. 2135 01:43:07,222 --> 01:43:09,016 {\an8}♪ Ahhh ♪ 2136 01:43:09,099 --> 01:43:12,311 {\an8}♪ Stayed on freedom ♪ 2137 01:43:12,394 --> 01:43:14,730 {\an8}I think one reason why a lot of us 2138 01:43:14,813 --> 01:43:17,733 {\an8}who went through that experience are still at it 2139 01:43:17,816 --> 01:43:21,528 {\an8}in one way or another is because it gave us hope. 2140 01:43:21,612 --> 01:43:24,072 {\an8}In other words, we didn't experience being defeated. 2141 01:43:24,156 --> 01:43:25,574 {\an8}Yes, we had reverses. 2142 01:43:25,657 --> 01:43:28,702 {\an8}Yeah, the Democratic convention, this, that and the other. 2143 01:43:28,785 --> 01:43:31,455 {\an8}But we -- we kept moving forward. 2144 01:43:31,538 --> 01:43:33,498 {\an8}And that's what keeps people hanging in there, 2145 01:43:33,582 --> 01:43:35,167 {\an8}is hope. 2146 01:43:35,250 --> 01:43:41,340 {\an8}♪♪ 2147 01:43:41,423 --> 01:43:45,469 {\an8}Holland: I'm -- First of all, I'm Dr. Endesha Ida Mae Holland, 2148 01:43:45,552 --> 01:43:46,845 {\an8}and nobody forget that. 2149 01:43:46,929 --> 01:43:48,221 {\an8}[ Laughing ] 2150 01:43:48,305 --> 01:43:50,766 {\an8}That's the funniest thing and it's the grandest 2151 01:43:50,849 --> 01:43:53,060 {\an8}and the glorious thing I've ever heard of. 2152 01:43:53,143 --> 01:43:56,939 {\an8}Just think -- little cat from Greenwood 2153 01:43:57,022 --> 01:43:58,315 {\an8}could achieve that. 2154 01:43:58,398 --> 01:44:02,361 {\an8}So that's who I am, and I'm also a writer. 2155 01:44:02,444 --> 01:44:05,447 {\an8}I write plays. 2156 01:44:05,530 --> 01:44:07,324 {\an8}I write plays that deals 2157 01:44:07,407 --> 01:44:10,911 {\an8}with the history of people here in Mississippi. 2158 01:44:10,994 --> 01:44:17,167 {\an8}♪♪ 2159 01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:19,044 {\an8}We now have more elected officials in the state 2160 01:44:19,127 --> 01:44:22,047 {\an8}of Mississippi than we have in any other state in the Union, 2161 01:44:22,130 --> 01:44:24,007 {\an8}who are Black or African-Americans. 2162 01:44:24,091 --> 01:44:32,474 {\an8}♪♪ 2163 01:44:32,557 --> 01:44:34,810 {\an8}Dorsey: If you go look at the registration book 2164 01:44:34,893 --> 01:44:38,772 {\an8}and you'll find that it's signed Lula Clara Warren Dorsey, 2165 01:44:38,855 --> 01:44:40,899 {\an8}and maybe even with a Mrs. 2166 01:44:40,983 --> 01:44:43,944 {\an8}because part of the registration thing, 2167 01:44:44,027 --> 01:44:45,570 {\an8}it also gave us our courtesy titles. 2168 01:44:45,654 --> 01:44:47,614 {\an8}We were no longer girl and boy. 2169 01:44:47,698 --> 01:44:49,116 {\an8}We were real people. 2170 01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:55,038 {\an8}♪♪ 2171 01:44:55,122 --> 01:44:58,208 {\an8}Wherever you find one picture of one individual 2172 01:44:58,291 --> 01:45:01,211 {\an8}who was associated with this movement in Mississippi, 2173 01:45:01,294 --> 01:45:04,006 {\an8}you find somebody doing something different 2174 01:45:04,089 --> 01:45:05,924 {\an8}all the way down to little people like me 2175 01:45:06,008 --> 01:45:08,677 {\an8}buying a sewing machine for a group of five ladies 2176 01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:10,637 {\an8}to make African clothes. 2177 01:45:10,721 --> 01:45:14,558 {\an8}That one sewing machine will employ 20 people in Africa. 2178 01:45:14,641 --> 01:45:17,602 {\an8}And that, to me, is still SNCC in Africa. 2179 01:45:17,686 --> 01:45:24,109 {\an8}♪♪ 2180 01:45:24,192 --> 01:45:26,069 {\an8}Moses: How is a country 2181 01:45:26,153 --> 01:45:29,114 {\an8}which is increasingly pluralistic 2182 01:45:29,197 --> 01:45:34,327 {\an8}with a lot of nationalities, cultures, right, 2183 01:45:34,411 --> 01:45:39,624 {\an8}languages, right, which must all work together, 2184 01:45:39,708 --> 01:45:44,212 {\an8}how does it find something which can drive everybody 2185 01:45:44,296 --> 01:45:47,132 {\an8}towards the common good for everyone? 2186 01:45:47,215 --> 01:45:56,016 {\an8}♪♪ 2187 01:45:56,099 --> 01:46:04,691 {\an8}♪♪ 2188 01:46:04,775 --> 01:46:12,908 {\an8}♪♪ 2189 01:46:12,991 --> 01:46:21,041 {\an8}♪♪ 2190 01:46:21,124 --> 01:46:29,257 {\an8}♪♪ 2191 01:46:29,341 --> 01:46:38,183 {\an8}♪♪ 2192 01:46:38,266 --> 01:46:46,399 {\an8}♪♪ 2193 01:46:46,483 --> 01:46:54,199 {\an8}♪♪ 2194 01:46:54,282 --> 01:47:02,707 {\an8}♪♪ 2195 01:47:02,791 --> 01:47:10,590 {\an8}♪♪ 2196 01:47:10,674 --> 01:47:18,431 {\an8}♪♪ 2197 01:47:18,515 --> 01:47:26,815 {\an8}♪♪ 2198 01:47:26,898 --> 01:47:35,740 {\an8}♪♪ 2199 01:47:35,824 --> 01:47:44,249 {\an8}♪♪ 2200 01:47:44,332 --> 01:47:52,257 {\an8}♪♪ 2201 01:47:52,340 --> 01:48:00,265 {\an8}♪♪ 2202 01:48:00,348 --> 01:48:08,273 {\an8}♪♪ 2203 01:48:08,356 --> 01:48:16,323 {\an8}♪♪ 2204 01:48:16,406 --> 01:48:24,331 {\an8}♪♪ 2205 01:48:24,414 --> 01:48:32,339 {\an8}♪♪ 2206 01:48:32,422 --> 01:48:40,430 {\an8}♪♪ 174642

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