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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:01,333 --> 00:02:05,850 Come on, First, come on, let's go! We're falling behind, 2 00:02:05,885 --> 00:02:07,559 we might have something up there. 3 00:02:07,594 --> 00:02:12,870 Just keep going up to the top of the hill, pull up behind 2-6 maybe 4 00:02:12,905 --> 00:02:15,894 Come on Sergeant Havard, you're overdue. 5 00:02:15,929 --> 00:02:20,369 Take a deep breath. Come on, keep movin'. 6 00:02:22,085 --> 00:02:25,376 If y'all move out up there to get up on the top, go ahead. 7 00:02:25,411 --> 00:02:28,609 Let the second platoon handle it if they can. 8 00:02:28,644 --> 00:02:35,666 The soldiers got a great deal of support from the States. 9 00:02:35,701 --> 00:02:42,344 Classes by the hundreds would write letters addressed to a soldier in Vietnam, 10 00:02:42,379 --> 00:02:49,724 and these were packed up and sent to our unit, and by and large, 11 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,436 the soldiers would try to respond to these things. 12 00:02:53,471 --> 00:03:02,129 There was a groundswell of popular support behind the troops in 1965. 13 00:03:02,164 --> 00:03:05,443 American combat troops went to South Vietnam 14 00:03:05,478 --> 00:03:07,600 to prevent the Communists from taking over. 15 00:03:07,635 --> 00:03:12,480 Before that, Americans had served as advisers to the South Vietnamese army. 16 00:03:12,515 --> 00:03:14,949 The advisory effort had failed. 17 00:03:14,984 --> 00:03:18,021 Now America was taking charge of the war. 18 00:03:19,717 --> 00:03:23,665 South Vietnam was on the other side of America's world. 19 00:03:29,326 --> 00:03:33,877 It was a strange, incomprehensible country for the American soldiers. 20 00:03:35,893 --> 00:03:40,654 A land whose people, language and culture were completely unfamiliar. 21 00:03:40,689 --> 00:03:45,951 Over the next two years the American force 22 00:03:45,986 --> 00:03:48,052 built up to nearly half a million troops. 23 00:03:48,087 --> 00:03:52,609 They were deployed in mountains, plains and deltas. 24 00:03:52,644 --> 00:03:55,425 They fought highly trained North Vietnamese 25 00:03:55,460 --> 00:03:59,108 regulars and lightly armed South Vietnamese guerrillas. 26 00:04:01,007 --> 00:04:03,502 This is the story of a few of those men. 27 00:04:06,165 --> 00:04:09,962 I had been accepted in, at several colleges, 28 00:04:09,997 --> 00:04:12,073 four colleges, by my senior year. 29 00:04:12,108 --> 00:04:16,447 And then I just decided, no, I'm gonna join the Marines. 30 00:04:16,482 --> 00:04:22,700 And I had to spend a lot of time talking to my parents about it, 31 00:04:22,735 --> 00:04:25,724 because at 17, of course, I would not have been allowed 32 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:27,974 to sign an enlistment contract in my own right. 33 00:04:28,009 --> 00:04:32,070 They had to sign it too, and really what I think tipped the scales 34 00:04:32,105 --> 00:04:36,913 in the discussion was at one point, after talking for a long time I said, 35 00:04:36,948 --> 00:04:39,514 "Mom, is this the way you raised me, 36 00:04:39,549 --> 00:04:42,307 to let other mothers' sons fight America's wars?" 37 00:04:42,342 --> 00:04:46,913 And they were young people during World War II. 38 00:04:46,948 --> 00:04:50,645 They believed in their country and that was it. 39 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,241 They hadn't raised me that way. 40 00:04:54,533 --> 00:04:58,038 Before going to Vietnam, recruits were shown an official film, 41 00:04:58,073 --> 00:05:00,632 produced to explain America's commitment. 42 00:05:00,667 --> 00:05:07,666 I do not find it easy to send the flower of our youth, 43 00:05:07,701 --> 00:05:10,596 our finest young men into battle. 44 00:05:10,631 --> 00:05:13,466 I have seen them in a thousand streets, 45 00:05:13,501 --> 00:05:18,169 of a hundred towns in every state in this Union, 46 00:05:18,204 --> 00:05:26,988 working and laughing and building and filled with hope and life. 47 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:35,076 But as long as there are men who hate and destroy, 48 00:05:35,111 --> 00:05:38,938 we must have the courage to resist. 49 00:05:38,973 --> 00:05:45,287 During my senior year, when the government said 50 00:05:45,322 --> 00:05:48,064 that the Communists were taking over Vietnam, 51 00:05:48,099 --> 00:05:51,845 and if we didn't stop them there we would have to stop them 52 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,640 eventually in San Diego, I took that at face value. 53 00:05:55,675 --> 00:06:00,863 And I saw my opportunity to really, to be a hero. 54 00:06:00,898 --> 00:06:05,640 The people of South Vietnam have fought for many long years. 55 00:06:05,675 --> 00:06:08,435 Thousands of them have died. 56 00:06:08,470 --> 00:06:12,337 Thousands more have been crippled and scarred by war. 57 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:18,544 And we just cannot now dishonor our word. Or abandon our commitment. 58 00:06:18,579 --> 00:06:25,405 Or leave those who believed us, and who trusted us, 59 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:32,242 to the terror and repression and murder that would follow. 60 00:06:32,277 --> 00:06:39,755 This then, my fellow Americans, is why we're in Vietnam. 61 00:06:49,203 --> 00:06:54,352 The buildup of American forces accelerated during 1965. 62 00:06:54,387 --> 00:06:59,195 Trained to fight a conventional war against the Soviets in Europe, 63 00:06:59,230 --> 00:07:03,187 the Americans found themselves unwrapping hand grenades in South Vietnam. 64 00:07:04,936 --> 00:07:09,981 By the end of the year, nearly 200,000 American troops had landed. 65 00:07:10,016 --> 00:07:15,509 One of the things that struck me first upon arriving in Vietnam 66 00:07:15,544 --> 00:07:18,804 and still strikes me now -- was that 67 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:21,081 it's probably the most beautiful country I've ever seen, 68 00:07:21,116 --> 00:07:26,693 and the one aspect of it that strikes me most deeply and stays with me, 69 00:07:26,728 --> 00:07:28,250 and it's the hardest to describe, 70 00:07:28,285 --> 00:07:32,424 is the intensity of the colors, especially the greens. 71 00:07:32,459 --> 00:07:35,762 They virtually, I mean, they almost vibrated, they were that intense. 72 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:54,654 American soldiers were unprepared for the complexity of South Vietnam. 73 00:07:55,981 --> 00:07:59,296 Some Vietnamese were loyal to Communist North Vietnam 74 00:07:59,331 --> 00:08:00,864 and the Vietcong guerrillas. 75 00:08:02,357 --> 00:08:06,052 Some belonged to various religious and political factions. 76 00:08:06,087 --> 00:08:09,097 Many tried to remain neutral. 77 00:08:10,852 --> 00:08:15,381 Others supported the anti-Communist government backed by the United States. 78 00:08:25,151 --> 00:08:28,918 The Vietcong and the North Vietnamese army, the NVA, 79 00:08:28,953 --> 00:08:32,009 controlled large parts of South Vietnam. 80 00:08:32,044 --> 00:08:37,090 GIs called these areas "Indian Country." 81 00:08:37,125 --> 00:08:42,995 The villages were hidden because they were 82 00:08:43,030 --> 00:08:46,352 almost always surrounded by very thick hedges. 83 00:08:46,387 --> 00:08:51,704 From outside the village you might not even see any evidence of a village. 84 00:08:51,739 --> 00:08:57,358 And then you'd walk through this hedge, and here was this whole society. 85 00:08:57,393 --> 00:09:02,864 We knew that the people who lived there probably lived normal lives, 86 00:09:02,899 --> 00:09:06,140 that we might even understand if we were a part of it. 87 00:09:06,175 --> 00:09:08,667 But we weren't a part of it. 88 00:09:08,702 --> 00:09:12,588 All we saw were the people staring at us like we were from Mars. 89 00:09:14,505 --> 00:09:20,574 One of the first things that I began to wonder about really wonder about 90 00:09:20,609 --> 00:09:26,359 is the soldiers who were our allies, the Army of the Republic. 91 00:09:26,394 --> 00:09:29,603 We called them the ARVN -- they wouldn't fight! 92 00:09:29,893 --> 00:09:33,991 At least in our area,in heavily populated civilian areas 93 00:09:34,026 --> 00:09:37,757 where the enemy was literally the old farmer-by-day, 94 00:09:37,792 --> 00:09:39,266 fighter-by-night kind of thing. 95 00:09:39,301 --> 00:09:43,350 With virtually no equipment except what they could capture 96 00:09:43,385 --> 00:09:48,093 from the Americans and the ARVN, tremendously outnumbered, 97 00:09:48,128 --> 00:09:53,124 the Vietcong were there day after day after day picking away at us. 98 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:56,998 You know, I don't know, like gophers at the feet of a buffalo or something. 99 00:09:57,033 --> 00:10:01,686 And it occurred to me that these are the same people. 100 00:10:01,721 --> 00:10:07,114 The ARVN and the VC are the same people, the same race, the same culture, 101 00:10:07,149 --> 00:10:09,844 and yet one side seems to be chicken and the other side 102 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:15,098 seems to fight in the face of overwhelming disadvantages. 103 00:10:15,133 --> 00:10:17,721 And I started wondering why, you know, why is this? 104 00:10:17,756 --> 00:10:20,907 They were far more mobile than we were. 105 00:10:20,942 --> 00:10:23,120 It was their country, they knew where they were going, 106 00:10:23,155 --> 00:10:26,375 they didn't need guides to get them around, they didn't need interpreters. 107 00:10:26,410 --> 00:10:30,399 When we went into the field we took 50 or 60, 70 pounds of gear. 108 00:10:30,434 --> 00:10:34,122 Your average Vietcong guerrilla might have carried, 109 00:10:34,157 --> 00:10:36,238 might have been carrying ten pounds worth of stuff. 110 00:10:36,273 --> 00:10:38,805 He'd carry a rifle and a few rounds of ammunition 111 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,627 and a little plastic bag or a leaf filled with some rice, 112 00:10:42,662 --> 00:10:45,894 and that's all that man needed -- or woman. 113 00:10:45,929 --> 00:10:48,059 There were a lot of female guerrillas. 114 00:10:48,094 --> 00:10:50,955 They were quick, they could get around, 115 00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:56,233 and if they did not want to engage you,they simply melted away 116 00:10:56,268 --> 00:10:57,879 they disappeared, you didn't see them. 117 00:11:07,577 --> 00:11:11,335 Whenever you did make contact with the enemy, 118 00:11:11,370 --> 00:11:14,074 you'd go from the most horrible boredom, 119 00:11:14,109 --> 00:11:20,504 I mean just absolute deathly boredom to absolutely the other extreme, 120 00:11:20,539 --> 00:11:24,697 the most intense continual excitement I've ever known in my life. 121 00:11:24,732 --> 00:11:31,521 I'm not sure how to describe the energy you would feel 122 00:11:31,556 --> 00:11:34,612 and the excitement you would feel, however you felt about it 123 00:11:34,647 --> 00:11:37,643 in terms of being scared or liking it or disliking it or whatever. 124 00:11:37,678 --> 00:11:40,242 The excitement was there, I think, for everybody. 125 00:11:40,277 --> 00:11:43,604 You couldn't go through combat and remain detached. 126 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:48,650 It was the idea of someone shooting at you, someone trying to kill you. 127 00:11:48,685 --> 00:11:50,239 You were trying to kill someone. 128 00:11:50,274 --> 00:11:54,588 You were using that finger to try to take someone's life. 129 00:11:54,623 --> 00:11:56,877 And that sends a real charge through you. 130 00:12:13,736 --> 00:12:14,529 Two calling six, I've got 'em on corral. 131 00:12:14,564 --> 00:12:16,920 I've got contact with some snipers. Over 132 00:12:16,955 --> 00:12:22,950 Everybody get off the middle of this L. Z. Everybody. 133 00:12:22,985 --> 00:12:24,251 Move out! Get out there. 134 00:12:34,377 --> 00:12:39,202 American strategists planned to use fire power to break the will of the enemy. 135 00:12:39,237 --> 00:12:43,302 And make them talk peace on America's terms. 136 00:12:43,337 --> 00:12:47,559 It brought to bear the power of its industry and technology. 137 00:12:49,793 --> 00:12:51,606 And also its young men. 138 00:13:13,709 --> 00:13:18,353 I can recall one time when the 22nd NVA Regiment 139 00:13:18,388 --> 00:13:20,941 was located down on the coast in an open area. 140 00:13:20,976 --> 00:13:25,356 They were trying to move from one point to another and had hoped 141 00:13:25,391 --> 00:13:28,133 to be able to carry out this movement without being detected. 142 00:13:28,168 --> 00:13:31,051 But the First of the 9th Cavalry did detect them. 143 00:13:31,086 --> 00:13:32,943 They detected them very late in the evening. 144 00:13:32,978 --> 00:13:35,011 It was around five-thirty or six o'clock. 145 00:13:35,046 --> 00:13:39,836 And throughout the next two days proceeded to eliminate them once again, 146 00:13:39,871 --> 00:13:45,067 I might point out, primarily through the use of awesome fire power. 147 00:13:45,102 --> 00:13:52,144 I know that my battalion alone fired 22,000 artillery rounds into a very small area. 148 00:13:52,179 --> 00:13:57,136 And this area had been heavy jungle when we started the fight, 149 00:13:57,171 --> 00:14:00,215 and it really looked like the moonscape when we got through. 150 00:14:00,250 --> 00:14:01,980 But it wasn't just artillery fire. 151 00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:06,180 You had had air strikes coming in and tanks were brought up 152 00:14:06,215 --> 00:14:11,391 and this was the third time we had run up against the 22d NVA Regiment. 153 00:14:11,426 --> 00:14:16,658 And every time we ran up against them, why, we would tear 'em up, 154 00:14:16,693 --> 00:14:19,864 and they would fall back into the mountains. 155 00:14:19,899 --> 00:14:24,250 And six months later, they'd come back completely refurbished 156 00:14:24,285 --> 00:14:27,430 a new regiment -- and we'd have to go through this drill again. 157 00:14:33,575 --> 00:14:38,045 We captured the operations officer of the 22nd NVA Regiment. 158 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:43,572 He was very interesting to talk to after we'd had him for about a month. 159 00:14:43,607 --> 00:14:48,413 This man was a senior captain, which would be the equivalent 160 00:14:48,448 --> 00:14:51,830 probably of a major or lieutenant colonel from the U.S. Army. 161 00:14:51,865 --> 00:14:57,803 He was as dedicated to his leaders as I was dedicated to mine. 162 00:14:57,838 --> 00:15:00,747 I wasn't questioning what I was doing in Vietnam either. 163 00:15:00,782 --> 00:15:04,434 My leaders decided that I should go, and I went. 164 00:15:04,469 --> 00:15:07,686 And I was a good soldier. He was in the same position. 165 00:15:07,721 --> 00:15:13,194 And he was down there reunifying his country, as far as he was concerned. 166 00:15:13,229 --> 00:15:16,732 And that was all that he needed to know. 167 00:15:16,767 --> 00:15:23,297 Infiltration of large North Vietnamese army units into South Vietnam 168 00:15:23,332 --> 00:15:26,890 increased rapidly as American troops expanded their combat role. 169 00:15:31,007 --> 00:15:34,439 When the North Vietnamese reached the South, they often relied on 170 00:15:34,474 --> 00:15:38,971 Vietcong guerrillas recruited from Vietnam's predominantly peasant society. 171 00:15:39,006 --> 00:15:47,532 In Vietnam, for generations the real power and the economy of the education 172 00:15:47,567 --> 00:15:52,833 through which you get power, was in the hands of a very few people. 173 00:15:52,868 --> 00:15:56,507 Maybe three to five percent of the population controlled the government, 174 00:15:56,542 --> 00:15:58,576 controlled the economic life of the country. 175 00:15:58,611 --> 00:16:03,888 If you were a peasant or a lowly born, it was almost impossible to 176 00:16:03,923 --> 00:16:07,290 break out of this chain of your father and your grandfather. 177 00:16:07,325 --> 00:16:13,232 The Vietcong quite often can turn the peasant's mind into the idea 178 00:16:13,267 --> 00:16:16,744 that if you revolt, if you join us, we can change this system. 179 00:16:16,779 --> 00:16:21,146 As a result, many young men and women voluntarily, 180 00:16:21,181 --> 00:16:24,727 willingly joined the Vietcong in Vietnam. 181 00:16:24,762 --> 00:16:30,854 He's developed into a savior of his village and his family -- a super nationalist. 182 00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:34,184 He has to be able to be a pretty savage fighter -- ambushes, 183 00:16:34,219 --> 00:16:39,599 quick hit and run operations,participate in the terrorism 184 00:16:39,634 --> 00:16:43,453 and beheading or assassinations of village 185 00:16:43,488 --> 00:16:47,363 chiefs of effective government officials who were opposed to him. 186 00:16:47,398 --> 00:16:54,051 He might be an extremely sensitive young man, may be even Buddhist. 187 00:16:54,086 --> 00:16:58,405 He may regard human life very highly, and actually lose merits 188 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,256 for his passage to the life beyond by taking human life. 189 00:17:02,291 --> 00:17:06,600 It's a complete metamorphosis when he was riding that buffalo 190 00:17:06,635 --> 00:17:10,728 in the paddy field and became a fighting soldier against the government. 191 00:17:45,673 --> 00:17:50,770 Most of our enemy contact at that time was not contact at all, 192 00:17:50,805 --> 00:17:53,542 it was mines and snipers, mostly mines. 193 00:17:53,577 --> 00:17:55,173 Our battalion, if I recall correctly, 194 00:17:55,208 --> 00:17:58,400 had something on the order of 75 mining incidents per month. 195 00:17:58,435 --> 00:18:01,591 Most of them, many of them producing casualties. 196 00:18:12,036 --> 00:18:15,152 And so, day after day, you had dead Marines, 197 00:18:15,187 --> 00:18:18,130 wounded Marines, and nobody to fight back at. 198 00:18:18,165 --> 00:18:20,391 In the meantime, you've got guys, you know, you go out, 199 00:18:20,426 --> 00:18:23,537 you run a patrol, somebody hits a mine and there's a couple of dead people. 200 00:18:23,572 --> 00:18:26,420 And here's Joe the rice farmer out in his field. 201 00:18:26,455 --> 00:18:27,995 He just, he don't even stop. 202 00:18:28,030 --> 00:18:30,687 He don't even, it's like he didn't even hear the blast. 203 00:18:30,722 --> 00:18:33,893 And after awhile, you start thinking, well, 204 00:18:33,928 --> 00:18:35,713 these people must know where these mines are. 205 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:37,163 How come they never step on them? 206 00:18:37,198 --> 00:18:41,879 They must be, they must be VC. They must be VC sympathizers. 207 00:18:46,650 --> 00:18:50,912 And so over a relatively short period of time, 208 00:18:50,947 --> 00:18:55,815 you begin to treat all the Vietnamese as though they are the enemy. 209 00:18:55,850 --> 00:18:59,692 If you can't tell, you shoot first and ask questions later. 210 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:06,321 To deprive the enemy of peasant support, 211 00:19:06,356 --> 00:19:09,001 the American command tried a new tactic: 212 00:19:09,036 --> 00:19:12,554 moving the population out of Vietcong base areas. 213 00:19:12,589 --> 00:19:17,929 Actually, the operation itself consisted of a mobile landing 214 00:19:17,964 --> 00:19:23,019 air mobile landing, by helicopter -- in seven separate landing zones. 215 00:19:23,054 --> 00:19:27,078 And this simultaneous landing, of this much force, 216 00:19:27,113 --> 00:19:32,624 enabled us to get complete surprise,and as a result of the surprise achieved, 217 00:19:32,659 --> 00:19:37,858 the VC many of whom were in the town, some in the area just adjacent thereto 218 00:19:37,893 --> 00:19:41,353 were caught totally by surprise -- many without weapons -- 219 00:19:41,388 --> 00:19:45,565 running to tunnels and hiding places which they had developed over the years. 220 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:51,603 Because of this complete surprise, we got 221 00:19:51,638 --> 00:19:56,968 either by killing or capturing -- over 30 VC in the initial wave. 222 00:20:02,586 --> 00:20:10,082 The main goal of it was to eliminate the National Liberation Front 223 00:20:10,117 --> 00:20:15,927 political and military structure from a triangular area about 50 to 60 square miles. 224 00:20:15,962 --> 00:20:19,110 And it was decided that in order to do this, 225 00:20:19,145 --> 00:20:21,643 they would move out the entire population. 226 00:20:21,678 --> 00:20:25,324 The part I was involved in was the evacuation of Ben Suc 227 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:31,065 which was a decent size city of perhaps around 3,000 people. 228 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:35,365 We were provided some medical screening, 229 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,352 and medical back-up for the operation... 230 00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:45,531 During the evacuation of villagers from Ben Suc, 231 00:20:45,566 --> 00:20:50,890 I was struck by a sense of resoluteness in the villagers. 232 00:20:50,925 --> 00:20:54,003 They understood what was happening; 233 00:20:54,038 --> 00:20:59,273 they understood that they couldn't really change the situation. 234 00:20:59,308 --> 00:21:00,930 They were going to be taken out of their homes. 235 00:21:00,965 --> 00:21:04,500 I'm sure that deep down inside they knew that 236 00:21:04,535 --> 00:21:07,020 that was the end of Ben Suc as a village -- 237 00:21:07,055 --> 00:21:08,553 that we were going to destroy the village. 238 00:21:08,588 --> 00:21:14,958 They seemed to accept it with a very special kind of strength. 239 00:21:19,984 --> 00:21:25,261 It was kind of sad in a way because Ben Suc was a pretty village. 240 00:21:25,296 --> 00:21:29,210 It was a very old village and the people there seemed to enjoy a little better 241 00:21:29,717 --> 00:21:33,000 standard of living than people in many of the other villages. 242 00:21:34,932 --> 00:21:38,069 The villagers were taken out by boat, 243 00:21:38,104 --> 00:21:41,752 by helicopter and by truck to relocation centers. 244 00:21:41,787 --> 00:21:45,617 Basically, once the people were taken out, 245 00:21:45,652 --> 00:21:47,859 the whole thing was just turned into a parking lot. 246 00:21:47,894 --> 00:21:54,502 At the same time the villages themselves would be destroyed 247 00:21:54,537 --> 00:21:59,388 anything of material value would be eliminated -- mattresses would be slashed, 248 00:21:59,423 --> 00:22:02,963 rice would either be taken out or poisoned or dumped in the river, 249 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,203 crops would be defoliated. 250 00:22:09,238 --> 00:22:13,553 And it made it much more difficult for the Liberation Front 251 00:22:13,588 --> 00:22:17,593 to continue without this material and population base. 252 00:22:20,855 --> 00:22:24,416 The press corps in Saigon was briefed on the operation, 253 00:22:24,451 --> 00:22:28,552 called "Cedar Falls" by its commander, General Jonathan Seaman. 254 00:22:28,587 --> 00:22:32,990 They'll have a little trouble using them, but I should say right now 255 00:22:33,025 --> 00:22:38,514 that to destroy these vast tunnel complexes is a pretty formidable job. 256 00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:44,901 And we do the best we can. And I'm sure that 257 00:22:44,936 --> 00:22:48,995 if they're willing to go back in with just a whale of a lot of effort, 258 00:22:49,030 --> 00:22:51,309 and expend all that effort, 259 00:22:51,344 --> 00:22:55,228 they could probably rehabilitate them over a period of years,or months. 260 00:22:55,263 --> 00:22:58,132 But when you realize that it's taken them about 20 years to build 261 00:22:58,167 --> 00:23:02,088 this thing up, well, if I were a VC, I'd be somewhat discouraged. 262 00:23:05,892 --> 00:23:09,550 American forces ended the operation and withdrew. 263 00:23:11,923 --> 00:23:15,315 Soon, even without help from the civilian population, 264 00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:20,503 the enemy was back in its base,again threatening the region around Saigon. 265 00:23:24,984 --> 00:23:30,204 What really began to happen after a few months is that you begin, 266 00:23:30,239 --> 00:23:33,303 you could get as far as understanding that this was crazy. 267 00:23:33,338 --> 00:23:34,984 What was going on here was nuts. 268 00:23:35,019 --> 00:23:41,076 But didn't dare begin to draw conclusions from that, 269 00:23:41,111 --> 00:23:44,254 because they pointed in directions that were just terrifying. 270 00:23:44,289 --> 00:23:48,169 I mean, America might not be the guys on the white horses with the white hats, 271 00:23:48,204 --> 00:23:50,665 maybe we shouldn't be in Vietnam, 272 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,631 maybe I've gotten my ass out here in the bushes for nothing. 273 00:23:56,103 --> 00:24:00,138 You can't think about that kind of stuff in a situation like that. 274 00:24:00,173 --> 00:24:04,417 For instance, it never occurred to me to quit 275 00:24:04,452 --> 00:24:06,498 lay down my rifle and I'm not going to do this. 276 00:24:06,533 --> 00:24:09,817 Somewhere lurking in the back of my mind was 20 years 277 00:24:09,852 --> 00:24:11,632 of making big rocks into little rocks. 278 00:24:13,785 --> 00:24:18,947 I knew when I went to Vietnam that I had to be there for 395 days, 279 00:24:18,982 --> 00:24:22,995 and if I was still alive when I got to the end of those 395 days, 280 00:24:23,030 --> 00:24:24,847 I could go home and forget the whole thing. 281 00:24:28,429 --> 00:24:31,744 You wondered, you know, are we going to make contact today, 282 00:24:31,779 --> 00:24:32,852 are we going to get hit? 283 00:24:32,887 --> 00:24:37,387 But if you spent a lot of time thinking about that -- particularly, 284 00:24:37,422 --> 00:24:42,149 is this the day I'm going to buy the farm -- you'd go nuts! You'd go nuts! 285 00:24:46,389 --> 00:24:50,832 You found ways, without even doing it consciously, of keeping your thoughts 286 00:24:50,867 --> 00:24:54,443 well within the immediate environment that you were dealing with. 287 00:25:02,807 --> 00:25:08,202 There were leeches everywhere, and so whenever you stopped for a break 288 00:25:08,237 --> 00:25:10,818 you'd have to take your boots off and check for leeches. 289 00:25:10,853 --> 00:25:16,809 One of the major problems that guys had was a thing called "immersion foot." 290 00:25:16,844 --> 00:25:22,065 You'd get this kind of rot on your feet because your feet were always wet. 291 00:25:28,253 --> 00:25:35,138 It did get cold at night when we were out on operations during the monsoon. 292 00:25:42,035 --> 00:25:47,070 The heat was a lot harder to deal with in the summer months. 293 00:25:47,105 --> 00:25:52,640 You had been used to 100, regular 100 degrees up to 110 294 00:25:52,675 --> 00:25:58,219 some days it would get up to 120 -- and we ended up taking a lot of chances. 295 00:25:58,254 --> 00:26:00,757 You'd go without flak jackets, you'd go without a helmet 296 00:26:00,792 --> 00:26:04,171 trying to decide what the odds were of getting heat stroke 297 00:26:04,206 --> 00:26:06,241 as opposed to what the odds were of getting hit. 298 00:26:11,386 --> 00:26:17,079 I don't have nightmares about killing armed soldiers in combat. 299 00:26:25,235 --> 00:26:30,370 The thing I have the nightmares about is the woman in the rice field 300 00:26:30,405 --> 00:26:35,595 that I shot one day because she was running -- for no other reason 301 00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:39,205 because she was running away from the Americans 302 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,736 who were going to kill her, and I killed her. 303 00:26:41,771 --> 00:26:46,972 Fifty-five, 60-year-old, unarmed. 304 00:26:47,007 --> 00:26:52,287 And at the time I didn't even think twice about it. 305 00:26:55,689 --> 00:27:00,057 It's not like the San Francisco 49ers on one side of the field 306 00:27:00,092 --> 00:27:03,557 and the Cincinnati Bengals on the other.It's just not like that. 307 00:27:03,592 --> 00:27:07,217 It's, the enemy is all around you. 308 00:27:07,252 --> 00:27:11,659 One second you may be fired upon from the rear, 309 00:27:11,694 --> 00:27:15,479 the next second from straight ahead, or either flank. 310 00:27:15,514 --> 00:27:16,958 You never know. 311 00:27:16,993 --> 00:27:23,732 In other words you never knew who was the enemy and who was a friend. 312 00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:27,386 They all dressed alike, they were all Vietnamese. 313 00:27:27,421 --> 00:27:31,637 Some of them were Vietcong; they all looked alike. 314 00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:38,941 What follows is an account from both sides -- American and Vietnamese 315 00:27:38,976 --> 00:27:42,631 of what happened in a village Marines were trying to clear of Vietcong, 316 00:27:42,666 --> 00:27:49,364 ten miles from where U.S. troops first landed in 1965. It's January 1967. 317 00:27:49,399 --> 00:27:54,596 We planned a detailed two-company operation 318 00:27:54,631 --> 00:28:00,078 involving Golf Company of the second battalion, First Marines, 319 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:02,186 and Hotel Company which I command. 320 00:28:02,221 --> 00:28:07,152 I was put in charge of the operation as a senior company commander. 321 00:28:07,187 --> 00:28:12,380 Well, I could say like, normally you come through on a village operation, 322 00:28:12,415 --> 00:28:15,008 you come through on a sweeping motion on line 323 00:28:15,043 --> 00:28:16,207 and you're sweeping through the village. 324 00:28:16,242 --> 00:28:19,176 So we get up to this village and first you start off 325 00:28:19,211 --> 00:28:21,175 with a little light sniper fire, you know. 326 00:28:21,210 --> 00:28:23,287 Then, then you get these 50 calibers opened up, 327 00:28:23,322 --> 00:28:26,885 you're getting 30 calibers opened up and you're getting people falling all over 328 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,866 and so you're, you're running around trying to find out what you're doing. 329 00:28:30,267 --> 00:28:31,596 So we spread out and dug in. 330 00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:38,235 The lead squad of that third platoon got about 100 to 150 meters 331 00:28:38,236 --> 00:28:46,655 from the tree line,and fire increased from the tree line directly to their front, 332 00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:51,960 and they also started receiving fire from both their flanks. 333 00:28:51,995 --> 00:28:54,508 It was intense gun fire and it sounded like a jackhammer. 334 00:28:54,543 --> 00:28:55,955 You ever hear a jackhammer going off? 335 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:58,557 Sounded like they had about 10 to 15 jackhammers going off 336 00:28:58,592 --> 00:29:00,521 at the same time, I mean, total chaos. 337 00:29:00,556 --> 00:29:06,206 And I called in artillery support to fire on the tree line. 338 00:29:06,241 --> 00:29:09,777 Waiting for the word to advance, but there wasn't no advance. 339 00:29:09,812 --> 00:29:13,690 So we was pinned down, we were pinned down all day, all night. 340 00:29:13,725 --> 00:29:17,001 In the rain, and it rained like somethin' pitiful. 341 00:29:17,036 --> 00:29:19,634 And we couldn't see nothin', we couldn't see nothin', we were just pinned down. 342 00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:25,462 And we had casualties, we took on a lot of casualties. 343 00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:29,548 Out of about 30 men, there were 11 left. 344 00:29:29,583 --> 00:29:34,897 And we called in helicopters to come in that night in the darkness, 345 00:29:34,932 --> 00:29:37,282 to get the wounded and killed out. 346 00:29:37,317 --> 00:29:41,114 The first helicopter load we got out was the last one 347 00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:45,408 because the Vietcong opened up on the helicopter wounding the pilot, 348 00:29:45,443 --> 00:29:48,835 and no other pilots were willing to volunteer to come in. 349 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:52,314 I'd watch guys lay there and cry for their mothers all night long. 350 00:29:52,349 --> 00:29:59,505 Dyin', slowly dyin', askin' to be shot because they can't take it no more. 351 00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:03,427 And you're sitting up there with your -- but you're a bundle of nerves. 352 00:30:03,462 --> 00:30:07,324 You're a bundle of nerves and all you can do is wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... 353 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:17,585 We ended up going some 36 plus hours without food or water, or sleep obviously. 354 00:30:17,620 --> 00:30:22,579 And uh, that is saying a lot when you consider the temperature 355 00:30:22,614 --> 00:30:28,593 was around 100 degrees, no water, no food, no rest. 356 00:30:28,628 --> 00:30:34,533 We were pretty tired Marines at the end of that first day. 357 00:30:34,568 --> 00:30:41,985 There were two villages there that the battalion wanted swept 358 00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:46,083 and searched to see if there were any remaining VC in there. 359 00:30:46,118 --> 00:30:51,418 It lightened, lightened up and then we advanced toward the village. 360 00:30:52,713 --> 00:30:56,689 When the Americans came, I was a boy in the fourth grade. 361 00:30:56,724 --> 00:31:01,984 I was on my way to school when I heard the Americans were coming. 362 00:31:02,019 --> 00:31:07,822 I was very scared and ran back home with my friends. 363 00:31:07,857 --> 00:31:12,039 By the time I got thee and had hidden my things 364 00:31:12,074 --> 00:31:15,449 the Americans were close to the village. 365 00:31:15,484 --> 00:31:18,590 Airplanes were overhead bombing, 366 00:31:18,625 --> 00:31:22,259 soldiers were coming and shells were exploding. 367 00:31:22,294 --> 00:31:26,807 Somebody had seen some movement in some of the houses, 368 00:31:26,842 --> 00:31:31,235 and the next thing we knew we were receiving automatic weapons fire. 369 00:31:31,270 --> 00:31:35,236 Lt. O'Connor was hit in the left shoulder above the heart. 370 00:31:35,271 --> 00:31:38,235 And he was bleeding quite severely. 371 00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:46,964 I remember sloshing back to where he went down with the company corpsman and uh, 372 00:31:46,999 --> 00:31:54,228 we started returning fire and providing a covering base of fire, 373 00:31:54,263 --> 00:32:00,159 calling artillery in and scheduled an emergency medivac helicopter 374 00:32:00,194 --> 00:32:02,317 to come in and get Lt. O'Connor out. 375 00:32:02,352 --> 00:32:09,304 Lt. O'Connor, I recall, was delirious. He kept trying to get up. 376 00:32:09,339 --> 00:32:12,010 It was taking the three of us to keep him on the ground. 377 00:32:12,045 --> 00:32:19,162 He kept trying to get up to get to his platoon to deploy them and command them, 378 00:32:19,197 --> 00:32:21,640 not realizing how seriously he was hurt. 379 00:32:21,675 --> 00:32:28,857 The corpsman put a hemostat on the artery to stop the bleeding, 380 00:32:28,892 --> 00:32:36,919 and we were successful in getting a helicopter to take out Lt. O'Connor 381 00:32:36,954 --> 00:32:41,795 at the same time as we assaulted the village two or three hundred meters 382 00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:44,235 to the front of us where the fire was coming from. 383 00:32:44,270 --> 00:32:47,973 We was the first team in, we unloaded several rounds. 384 00:32:48,008 --> 00:32:51,525 We dropped a couple of grenades in the hootches to get the people out, 385 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,298 because to get one Vietnamese out of that hole, they won't come. 386 00:32:55,333 --> 00:33:00,386 I mean we didn't speak perfect Vietnamese so in order to get them out of there 387 00:33:00,421 --> 00:33:02,276 you either cranked off a couple of rounds or 388 00:33:02,311 --> 00:33:04,275 you dropped your M-26 grenade down there 389 00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:06,108 and they get the message and they come out of there. 390 00:33:06,143 --> 00:33:11,506 The assault took anywhere from two to three minutes, 391 00:33:11,541 --> 00:33:13,454 maybe five minutes at the outside. 392 00:33:13,489 --> 00:33:18,499 As quickly as I could determine that there were, 393 00:33:18,534 --> 00:33:22,820 or there was no longer any fire being returned, 394 00:33:22,855 --> 00:33:26,001 I ordered cease fire and consolidation. 395 00:33:28,684 --> 00:33:32,582 When they came to my house, there were ten family members inside, 396 00:33:32,617 --> 00:33:35,761 including my 14-year-old son. 397 00:33:35,796 --> 00:33:41,112 Four or five soldiers came right over. 398 00:33:41,147 --> 00:33:44,176 When they came in, I stood up and greeted them. 399 00:33:44,211 --> 00:33:49,806 They laughed when I did that, they seemed to hate us. 400 00:33:52,944 --> 00:33:56,894 They just turned around and threw a grenade into the house. 401 00:33:56,929 --> 00:34:01,284 Nine or ten people were blown to pieces. 402 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:06,603 I was the only one who was wounded and survived. 403 00:34:06,638 --> 00:34:10,072 My son and everyone else just fell dead. 404 00:34:10,107 --> 00:34:16,400 I was wounded and extremely frightened 405 00:34:16,435 --> 00:34:19,145 and crawled quickly into a corner of the house. 406 00:34:21,373 --> 00:34:26,814 Although the grenade had already exploded, the soldiers fired their guns 407 00:34:26,849 --> 00:34:31,049 at the people to make sure that nobody would survive. 408 00:34:34,221 --> 00:34:38,669 It was mass chaos. Like I say, everybody's running around screaming. 409 00:34:38,704 --> 00:34:40,955 We got in the village and asked where the VC were 410 00:34:40,990 --> 00:34:43,279 and people in the village were saying no VC, 411 00:34:43,314 --> 00:34:46,648 and like at one end of the village you could hear machine gun fire 412 00:34:46,683 --> 00:34:49,425 going off and people screaming, you know,and you know that somebody 413 00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:52,790 was either down in one of them holes getting dug out of there or something. 414 00:34:52,825 --> 00:34:56,639 And we dropped plenty of hand grenades down in booby traps, 415 00:34:56,674 --> 00:35:00,530 and I mean in holes and stuff to see if we could root them out. 416 00:35:00,565 --> 00:35:04,090 And, you go into a hootch and you got, you got tunnels in there 417 00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:07,257 and you got old ladies and kids in there running out and, 418 00:35:07,292 --> 00:35:11,079 we didn't, I didn't shoot any old ladies and kids. 419 00:35:11,114 --> 00:35:14,050 I know, I know half the guys in my squad didn't shoot no old ladies and kids 420 00:35:14,085 --> 00:35:17,056 because it just -- that wasn't the fight there. 421 00:35:17,091 --> 00:35:21,415 They came and asked us about the Vietcong. 422 00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:24,673 There were only women and children around then 423 00:35:24,708 --> 00:35:27,275 and we didn't know where the VC were. 424 00:35:27,310 --> 00:35:29,877 But they shot at us anyway. 425 00:35:29,912 --> 00:35:34,868 They burned down the houses and then they killed all of our farm animals. 426 00:35:34,903 --> 00:35:41,257 After they killed the people, they burned down all the houses 427 00:35:41,292 --> 00:35:46,537 so the survivors had no place to live. They burned everything. 428 00:35:46,572 --> 00:35:49,379 Even dead children were burned. 429 00:35:49,414 --> 00:35:53,622 So I could collect only this much of the remains of three children. 430 00:35:53,657 --> 00:35:56,700 It was only a handful of bones. 431 00:35:56,735 --> 00:36:02,779 Like I say, you get in the way of an M-14 or M-60 caliber machine gun 432 00:36:02,814 --> 00:36:06,019 and there's no tellin' who's gonna get killed. 433 00:36:06,054 --> 00:36:09,842 And you got an angry 18-year-old kid behind the gun 434 00:36:09,877 --> 00:36:11,966 and he's just seen his buddy gettin' killed. 435 00:36:12,001 --> 00:36:13,743 And he's not gonna have no remorse for 436 00:36:13,778 --> 00:36:16,694 who's on the receiving end of that 60 caliber machine gun. 437 00:36:16,729 --> 00:36:22,257 The soldiers used their guns in a very brutal way. 438 00:36:22,292 --> 00:36:26,115 Some of the wounded people went to their beds to lie down. 439 00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:29,393 The soldiers shot their ears. 440 00:36:29,428 --> 00:36:32,128 Blood was coming out in pools as they lay there. 441 00:36:34,386 --> 00:36:37,131 Then the soldiers shot at their stomachs 442 00:36:37,166 --> 00:36:38,905 and their insides splattered all over. 443 00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:45,516 Then they smashed people's heads, using the butts of their guns. 444 00:36:45,551 --> 00:36:50,111 This terrified everyone who was still alive; 445 00:36:50,146 --> 00:36:53,328 the children screamed at the brutality they were seeing. 446 00:36:53,363 --> 00:36:56,974 But the soldiers kept on with their questioning. 447 00:36:57,009 --> 00:37:00,485 First, they shot our water basin to pieces, 448 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,939 then they just opened fire at us, just opened fire continuously. 449 00:37:03,974 --> 00:37:07,622 I was wounded and fell down. 450 00:37:07,657 --> 00:37:11,882 Looking back at that time I have to say that it was so horrible 451 00:37:11,917 --> 00:37:13,680 that I can't describe it all. 452 00:37:17,021 --> 00:37:20,629 After I was wounded -- I was wounded here and there's still a scar 453 00:37:20,664 --> 00:37:26,010 from the gunshot wound, right here -- several dead people fell on me. 454 00:37:26,045 --> 00:37:29,557 So I escaped being killed. 455 00:37:29,592 --> 00:37:33,695 Probably, in his eyes, from a kid's point of view it probably did, 456 00:37:33,730 --> 00:37:36,106 he probably seen it that way, you know. 457 00:37:36,141 --> 00:37:40,269 But like I said, we done a dog-down [sic] job that third day 458 00:37:40,304 --> 00:37:43,699 and it wasn't nothing unusual about burning them hootches down 459 00:37:43,734 --> 00:37:49,852 and digging them Vietnamese people out of them holes and scattering animals, 460 00:37:49,887 --> 00:37:52,039 pigs and chickens around like we normally do. 461 00:37:52,074 --> 00:37:55,149 It's just a normal procedure we do. Especially after three days. 462 00:37:55,184 --> 00:37:58,119 Three days of blood and guts in the mud. 463 00:37:58,154 --> 00:38:03,674 Hey! You can't take it. We couldn't take it, and like I said, 464 00:38:03,709 --> 00:38:06,386 I can't account for every Marine that was there and what they done at, 465 00:38:06,421 --> 00:38:08,536 at that particular time,they done it 466 00:38:08,571 --> 00:38:12,556 because they felt that, that's what they had to do. 467 00:38:12,591 --> 00:38:15,322 I can't account for how they acted, you know. 468 00:38:15,357 --> 00:38:18,345 Everybody's got their own way, but if he seen it that way, 469 00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:23,718 that's the way he seen it. And the way I seen it, it was war. 470 00:38:34,263 --> 00:38:38,870 After military operations in the field, men returned to their base camps. 471 00:38:43,935 --> 00:38:48,028 They were little American islands in the midst of South Vietnam. 472 00:39:02,001 --> 00:39:02,888 "OK, let's saddle up." 473 00:39:06,986 --> 00:39:09,367 "Go on with your digging Miller, I'll go." 474 00:39:09,402 --> 00:39:11,280 "You're feeling all right, Little John?" 475 00:39:11,315 --> 00:39:15,458 "Never better. Besides, I wouldn't know what to do with myself, 476 00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:17,505 sitting around here without you guys." 477 00:39:18,893 --> 00:39:22,536 Next to the bases, small Vietnamese towns grew up. 478 00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,229 For the men here and on the new American air bases, 479 00:39:42,264 --> 00:39:44,235 there was never much time off from the war. 480 00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:47,876 Bombing operations were conducted around the clock. 481 00:39:47,911 --> 00:39:51,310 North Vietnam was a main target. 482 00:39:51,345 --> 00:39:55,726 The bombing of North Vietnam was considered a linch pin 483 00:39:55,761 --> 00:39:58,841 of the whole war strategy for two reasons. 484 00:39:58,876 --> 00:40:06,015 First, it was the way you applied pressure and caused pain in North Vietnam itself. 485 00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:13,925 Secondly, it was supposedly the way you cut off the necessary 486 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,685 flow of supplies from North Vietnam to the North Vietnamese 487 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,826 and Vietcong troops fighting in South Vietnam. 488 00:40:26,614 --> 00:40:29,473 Interdiction was the key term. 489 00:40:29,508 --> 00:40:34,531 And it looked to us that even though we were stepping up the bombing, 490 00:40:34,566 --> 00:40:41,651 almost month by month, that there was no impact on North Vietnamese 491 00:40:41,686 --> 00:40:44,229 and Vietcong military activities in the South. 492 00:40:44,264 --> 00:40:50,114 So we had to ask the question: was the interdiction campaign working at all? 493 00:40:50,149 --> 00:40:53,832 So we started to make the calculations: 494 00:40:53,867 --> 00:40:59,063 how much supplies would have to come from north to south 495 00:40:59,098 --> 00:41:04,353 to keep 150,000 troops in the field and fighting, 496 00:41:04,388 --> 00:41:07,596 producing as much devastation as they were? 497 00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:13,810 And we had a pretty good fix on how many trucks the North Vietnamese 498 00:41:13,845 --> 00:41:17,238 were sending down and we estimated, as I remember it, 499 00:41:17,273 --> 00:41:20,751 some-thing like 50 to 100 trucks a week. 500 00:41:20,786 --> 00:41:24,497 And that they only needed to get through ten or 20 of those trucks 501 00:41:24,532 --> 00:41:30,262 to maintain just that level of military activity that they had been carrying out 502 00:41:30,297 --> 00:41:34,288 And we estimated that based on past experience, 503 00:41:34,323 --> 00:41:39,682 there was no way we could eliminate those, that 20 percent. 504 00:41:39,717 --> 00:41:41,712 No matter how effective the bombing was, 505 00:41:41,747 --> 00:41:48,805 they were going to get at least that through. In other words, 506 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,816 the interdiction campaign was not working and would not work. 507 00:41:57,625 --> 00:42:00,098 Now, of course, there was one alternative. 508 00:42:00,133 --> 00:42:05,369 You could have engaged in the kind of bombing of North Vietnam 509 00:42:05,404 --> 00:42:08,390 that would've devastated the society totally. 510 00:42:08,425 --> 00:42:12,804 You could have bombed the dams, you could have destroyed the population, 511 00:42:12,839 --> 00:42:14,992 I suppose you could have used nuclear weapons. 512 00:42:15,027 --> 00:42:19,263 We, I think, fortunately had the good judgment, 513 00:42:19,298 --> 00:42:25,018 had the basic humanity not to consider that kind of bombing campaign. 514 00:42:28,757 --> 00:42:34,177 By the end of 1967, the war was draining America's armed forces. 515 00:42:34,212 --> 00:42:38,734 When experienced soldiers completed their one-year tour of duty, 516 00:42:38,769 --> 00:42:42,615 their replacements included a growing proportion of draftees. 517 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,391 When I first spotted Vietnam -- 518 00:42:47,426 --> 00:42:51,191 when I first spotted the country from the plane 519 00:42:51,226 --> 00:42:55,808 is when I really started to understand that there's really a war going on here. 520 00:42:55,843 --> 00:42:59,298 You know? I mean, I could tell by looking at the countryside. 521 00:42:59,333 --> 00:43:02,634 There were bomb craters, artillery craters everywhere. 522 00:43:02,669 --> 00:43:06,292 I mean, it wasn't as if you saw a nice beautiful forest 523 00:43:06,327 --> 00:43:08,961 and then you went on in and you saw a battleground then. 524 00:43:08,996 --> 00:43:12,400 The whole country was covered with bomb craters. 525 00:43:12,435 --> 00:43:18,783 As soon as the plane landed and we got off the plane we got onto these buses. 526 00:43:18,818 --> 00:43:23,183 A typical bus, except that they looked like prison buses, 527 00:43:23,218 --> 00:43:27,711 army green prison buses with wire mesh over the windows. 528 00:43:27,746 --> 00:43:34,771 And I asked why, you know, this kind of bus. 529 00:43:34,806 --> 00:43:37,401 I thought we were in friendly country here, you know. 530 00:43:37,436 --> 00:43:41,229 And they told me that it was to stop people from running up 531 00:43:41,264 --> 00:43:43,181 and throwing grenades into the bus. 532 00:43:43,216 --> 00:43:47,248 Oh my God, you mean people are trying to kill me? 533 00:43:47,283 --> 00:43:50,656 Wait a minute, you know. I never really thought about dying before. 534 00:43:53,761 --> 00:44:04,263 I was drafted, pretty naive 20-year-old kid, really, hardly a man. 535 00:44:04,298 --> 00:44:09,417 And with a pretty narrow view of what the world was really like. 536 00:44:09,452 --> 00:44:14,588 As soon as I got there things just, it was almost like 537 00:44:14,623 --> 00:44:16,582 there were a bunch of guys that got together 538 00:44:16,617 --> 00:44:21,735 and gone camping one afternoon, that had never camped in their lives. 539 00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:28,863 I probably saw half a dozen dead Americans 540 00:44:28,898 --> 00:44:33,746 before I ever shot at the North Vietnamese or Vietcong. 541 00:44:33,781 --> 00:44:36,136 Strictly from our own mistakes. 542 00:44:36,171 --> 00:44:41,081 People walking along behind somebody with their trigger guard undone 543 00:44:41,116 --> 00:44:44,715 and tripping and shooting somebody in the back accidentally. 544 00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:47,917 You trusted yourself only. 545 00:44:47,952 --> 00:44:51,219 You weren't likely to trust many other people, 546 00:44:51,254 --> 00:44:53,815 because you know your life was on the line here. 547 00:45:00,622 --> 00:45:03,624 Where the fuck was that Second Platoon when we got up there? 548 00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:06,829 All right, I need a perimeter set up here quick! 549 00:45:06,864 --> 00:45:10,324 Oh man!You got any first aid dressing? 550 00:45:10,359 --> 00:45:12,200 I don't have any... 551 00:45:12,235 --> 00:45:19,355 Oh! I knew they were going to get us today!...Goddamn... 552 00:45:19,390 --> 00:45:26,630 Get the perimeter set up around us. You got the first aid? 553 00:45:33,117 --> 00:45:38,056 What's that? Another day in the 'Nam. 554 00:45:50,342 --> 00:45:54,444 The third time I heard it somebody was saying, "Tex, help me, Tex." 555 00:45:54,479 --> 00:45:58,690 And so my friend says, "Don't be a fool. 556 00:45:58,725 --> 00:46:01,456 Don't go out there, you're gonna get killed." 557 00:46:01,491 --> 00:46:04,521 And I probably think that he was more scared of me 558 00:46:04,556 --> 00:46:08,084 leaving him alone than me getting hurt. 559 00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:12,264 But I didn't go out for like ten minutes, I kept hearing this, 560 00:46:12,299 --> 00:46:16,344 this friend of mine hollering, "Tex, help me, help me." 561 00:46:16,379 --> 00:46:18,325 And so finally I don't know what happened. 562 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,067 I didn't really think it over or anything, 563 00:46:20,102 --> 00:46:25,752 I just instinctively jumped out of the bomb crater and ran over to help this guy. 564 00:46:25,787 --> 00:46:29,662 Just as I got to him I was putting one knee down on the ground 565 00:46:29,697 --> 00:46:36,037 and was just reaching for him and I felt this thud in my back, 566 00:46:36,072 --> 00:46:38,907 and I thought my other friend had run out too 567 00:46:38,942 --> 00:46:42,286 and had tripped or something when I stopped, you know, 568 00:46:42,321 --> 00:46:44,746 and had like accidentally kneed me in the back. 569 00:46:44,781 --> 00:46:46,970 It was just, you know, like if somebody had punched you 570 00:46:47,005 --> 00:46:48,454 right in the back as hard as they could. 571 00:46:48,489 --> 00:46:51,109 Well, it knocked the breath out of me. I took this deep breath. 572 00:46:51,144 --> 00:46:56,229 When I took the breath, this blood just came flying right out of my throat 573 00:46:56,264 --> 00:46:58,394 as if I had a faucet in my mouth, 574 00:46:58,429 --> 00:47:04,889 and, you know, like my chest hits the ground. 575 00:47:04,924 --> 00:47:09,084 I'm laying on my M-16. And uh, I realized that I'd been shot. 576 00:47:10,873 --> 00:47:14,454 I went back, I flashed back to my training, 577 00:47:14,489 --> 00:47:16,986 and I remembered yelling and screaming things. 578 00:47:17,021 --> 00:47:19,550 They would yell, "What's the spirit of the bayonet?" 579 00:47:19,585 --> 00:47:22,206 And you would have to scream back, "To kill." 580 00:47:22,241 --> 00:47:23,874 That was the spirit of the bayonet. 581 00:47:23,909 --> 00:47:28,210 And I'm thinking, you know, my whole job is to kill -- I'm a trained killer. 582 00:47:28,245 --> 00:47:30,411 That's all I know how to do -- I'm an 11-B40, 583 00:47:30,446 --> 00:47:32,716 light weapons infantry, I'm just a trained killer. 584 00:47:32,751 --> 00:47:36,186 And it's a, you know, all of a sudden I thought: how did I get here? 585 00:47:36,221 --> 00:47:39,672 I never wanted to be a trained killer, I didn't want to kill anybody, 586 00:47:39,707 --> 00:47:42,110 I didn't know the first thing about -- I started thinking, 587 00:47:42,145 --> 00:47:45,470 you know, for the first time, what the hell is communism? 588 00:47:45,505 --> 00:47:48,592 I couldn't define it and I'm layin' here and going to die for 589 00:47:48,627 --> 00:47:51,207 killing a bunch of people 'cause they happen to be Communist! 590 00:47:53,831 --> 00:47:56,365 And we began to realize that if somebody 591 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,096 will actually live out here in this stupid jungle, dig tunnels all day long, 592 00:48:01,131 --> 00:48:06,012 live in these tunnels for ten years, just to fight us, you know, 593 00:48:06,047 --> 00:48:09,156 when we're there to do good, it made you start wondering. 594 00:48:09,191 --> 00:48:11,240 You know, if they're willing to go through all that 595 00:48:11,275 --> 00:48:15,968 and I must admit, you know that those things weighed on our minds. 596 00:48:16,003 --> 00:48:18,031 Maybe if it had been a different kind of war, 597 00:48:18,066 --> 00:48:19,987 we wouldn't start thinking like that, 598 00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:22,861 but the troops who were actually out there doing the killing 599 00:48:22,896 --> 00:48:27,150 really began to respect the people that they were killing. 600 00:48:45,503 --> 00:48:50,162 By late 1967, the American forces in South Vietnam numbered nearly 601 00:48:50,197 --> 00:49:00,079 half a million and U.S. commanders were asking for more. 602 00:49:04,326 --> 00:49:10,954 Vice President Hubert Humphrey came to Saigon to reaffirm America's commitment. 603 00:49:10,989 --> 00:49:18,392 And may I say that despite public opinion polls none of which may I say 604 00:49:18,427 --> 00:49:21,613 have ever been friendly toward a nation's commitment in battle 605 00:49:21,648 --> 00:49:27,430 despite criticism, despite understandable impatience, 606 00:49:27,465 --> 00:49:33,778 we mean to stick it out,until aggression is turned back 607 00:49:33,813 --> 00:49:41,282 and until a just and honorable peace can be achieved, until the job is done. 608 00:49:41,317 --> 00:49:44,834 That is the policy of the President of the United States, 609 00:49:44,869 --> 00:49:49,952 the Vice President of the United States and the Congress of the United States. 610 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:51,929 So let people understand that. 611 00:49:57,617 --> 00:50:01,405 In the Republic of Vietnam for wounds received in connection with 612 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,688 military operations against a hostile force. 613 00:50:03,723 --> 00:50:07,900 Congratulations. For heroism against a North Vietnamese unit. 614 00:50:07,935 --> 00:50:11,428 I think after a while I began to feel that 615 00:50:11,463 --> 00:50:15,230 someone was taking advantage of our bravery and our courage, 616 00:50:15,265 --> 00:50:18,041 and I think there was that, to no good end. 617 00:50:18,076 --> 00:50:23,506 So we were being used, really, for God knows what purpose, 618 00:50:23,541 --> 00:50:28,722 at least in terms that we could understand and appreciate on a gut level, 619 00:50:28,757 --> 00:50:31,862 which was the level on which you operated in Vietnam. 620 00:50:31,897 --> 00:50:36,302 Words like "Peace with honor" and "negotiations," 621 00:50:36,337 --> 00:50:41,457 they didn't pay the bills over there. Not when you were out in the field. 622 00:50:41,492 --> 00:50:46,315 Well, the things I tried to put away was seeing my partners gettin' killed. 623 00:50:46,316 --> 00:50:50,185 Layin' out there in that mud and that rain for so long. 624 00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:53,611 That's the only thing that really upset me about that whole operation. 625 00:50:53,646 --> 00:50:57,369 I could'a give a damn about what happened inside that village. 626 00:50:57,404 --> 00:50:59,647 Those are my personal feelings. 627 00:51:02,737 --> 00:51:09,109 In grade school we learned about Redcoats, the nasty British soldiers 628 00:51:09,144 --> 00:51:12,473 that tried to stifle our freedom, and the tyranny of George III, 629 00:51:12,508 --> 00:51:20,573 and I think again, subconsciously -- but not very subconsciously 630 00:51:20,608 --> 00:51:24,537 I began increasingly to have the feeling that I was a Redcoat. 631 00:51:24,572 --> 00:51:28,684 I think it was one of the most staggering realizations of my life 632 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:34,238 that to suddenly understand that I, I wasn't a hero, I wasn't a good guy, 633 00:51:34,273 --> 00:51:38,166 I wasn't handing out candy and cigarettes to the kids in the French villages. 634 00:51:38,201 --> 00:51:44,122 That somehow I had become everything I had learned to believe was evil. 635 00:51:44,157 --> 00:51:48,780 Now when I went on R & R in Hong Kong, I came very close to deserting. 636 00:51:48,815 --> 00:51:51,290 Somehow in the space of eight months I'd reached the point 637 00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:55,128 from being a volunteer hurrying off to do his duty for his country, 638 00:51:55,163 --> 00:51:59,778 to seriously contemplating desertion, to just disappearing into the world somewhere. 639 00:51:59,813 --> 00:52:06,112 We had just gotten there and we was sort of eager to do a good job and, 640 00:52:06,147 --> 00:52:10,821 and gain the respect as good Marines, you know? 641 00:52:10,856 --> 00:52:13,121 And we kinda looked after each other, 'cause like I say, 642 00:52:13,156 --> 00:52:16,785 we came out of boot cap and we was on that, on that first team there, 643 00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:19,731 and we got real close, 'cause the old guys that was rotating, 644 00:52:19,766 --> 00:52:22,149 they had their time and we was trying to 645 00:52:22,184 --> 00:52:25,208 set a pattern for our own selves to do good. 646 00:52:25,243 --> 00:52:34,300 And there just seemed to be no label on anyone except "soldier." 647 00:52:34,335 --> 00:52:36,747 And "comrade" and "buddy." 648 00:52:36,782 --> 00:52:43,952 And based on that, they performed well, extremely well. 649 00:52:43,987 --> 00:52:51,003 And it was a pleasure to have, and a privilege to have commanded them. 650 00:52:51,038 --> 00:52:54,442 For wounds received in connection with military operations 651 00:52:54,477 --> 00:52:56,623 against a hostile force.When did you get hit? 652 00:52:56,658 --> 00:52:58,896 25 October sir.25 October. 653 00:52:58,931 --> 00:53:00,646 Yes, sir.You're one of our early ones...Yes, sir. 654 00:53:00,681 --> 00:53:03,228 Congratulations. 655 00:53:03,263 --> 00:53:05,098 Meritorious service... 656 00:53:05,133 --> 00:53:09,804 Congratulations. You've done an outstanding job. That's uh... quite a medal. 657 00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:13,481 By direction of the President under provisions of regulation 672-5. 658 00:53:13,516 --> 00:53:18,069 After almost three years, American combat forces had won major battles, 659 00:53:18,104 --> 00:53:19,695 but not the war. 660 00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:23,515 American commanders had expected their massive firepower 661 00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:25,231 to grind down the enemy. 662 00:53:25,266 --> 00:53:28,048 But despite the enormous casualties, 663 00:53:28,083 --> 00:53:31,502 the Communists were in-creasing their infiltration into South Vietnam 664 00:53:31,537 --> 00:53:34,853 as they prepared for the biggest offensive of the war. 62745

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