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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:43,559 --> 00:00:45,864 Delighted to see you, Mikhail Sergeyevich. 2 00:01:12,434 --> 00:01:15,642 Mr Gorbachev, why doesn't Moscow want to acknowledge. 3 00:01:15,684 --> 00:01:18,059 Lithuania's desire for independence? 4 00:01:18,309 --> 00:01:20,559 If you’re going to call me ‘Mr’… 5 00:01:21,267 --> 00:01:23,684 I never have been and never will be ‘Mr’ 6 00:01:23,933 --> 00:01:27,351 and I don't want "misters" popping up in the USSR 7 00:01:27,392 --> 00:01:28,974 because of Perestroika. 8 00:01:28,975 --> 00:01:31,726 - I didn't mean... - I am against “misters”. 9 00:02:02,850 --> 00:02:09,530 They simply wanted to carry on doing 10 00:02:10,726 --> 00:02:13,267 what they did best. 11 00:02:13,858 --> 00:02:15,639 They had created 12 00:02:17,577 --> 00:02:21,521 a perpetual domain 13 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:27,142 and wanted to go on ruling this domain. 14 00:02:29,517 --> 00:02:34,517 It is maybe one of the greatest mistakes humankind has ever made… 15 00:02:34,975 --> 00:02:39,142 …and that mistake is all too evident 16 00:02:39,850 --> 00:02:43,975 within Russia and the former USSR. 17 00:02:45,100 --> 00:02:52,677 …the belief that power over something is the supreme value… 18 00:02:53,989 --> 00:02:56,032 power over the little people, 19 00:02:56,309 --> 00:03:00,354 but first and foremost power over territories, 20 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:02,729 over domains. 21 00:03:04,202 --> 00:03:09,552 And such an organisation, which calls itself "a state", 22 00:03:11,495 --> 00:03:18,284 exists solely to expand its territory 23 00:03:19,254 --> 00:03:20,684 and remain invincible. 24 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:26,809 They proclaimed this in their anthems and wherever else they pleased, 25 00:03:27,351 --> 00:03:33,538 "invincible, "everlasting", "we shall rule forever", 26 00:03:33,933 --> 00:03:36,267 and Lenin will live forever, 27 00:03:37,476 --> 00:03:39,726 all this nonsense is forever, 28 00:03:39,777 --> 00:03:43,039 and you must forget about everything else 29 00:03:43,071 --> 00:03:45,715 because "everything else" is evil, 30 00:03:46,517 --> 00:03:49,375 and if you serve evil, 31 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:52,904 even in your mind, 32 00:03:53,517 --> 00:03:55,142 then you are already an enemy. 33 00:03:56,242 --> 00:03:58,749 Whose enemy? Our enemy. 34 00:03:58,811 --> 00:04:00,274 And since we are the people 35 00:04:00,808 --> 00:04:02,404 that makes you an enemy of the people. 36 00:04:03,309 --> 00:04:07,892 If you think differently, if you don’t toe the party line 37 00:04:08,933 --> 00:04:11,142 you aren’t just an enemy of the state 38 00:04:11,309 --> 00:04:13,434 you are an enemy of the people, 39 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:18,434 because the authorities act in the name of the people, 40 00:04:20,059 --> 00:04:26,797 because they granted themselves this privilege: 41 00:04:27,351 --> 00:04:29,142 to be the people, as it were. 42 00:04:29,267 --> 00:04:31,809 This is a fundamental lie, 43 00:04:32,849 --> 00:04:37,017 and this whole Empire of Lies, which still flourishes today 44 00:04:37,684 --> 00:04:41,434 is founded on such complete falsehoods. 45 00:05:16,023 --> 00:05:17,390 What are they selling there? 46 00:05:21,642 --> 00:05:23,726 - One. - Please. 47 00:05:28,714 --> 00:05:29,714 Thank you. 48 00:05:29,903 --> 00:05:31,343 Two please. 49 00:05:54,189 --> 00:05:56,230 It would be better to sit lower down. 50 00:06:46,496 --> 00:06:48,519 - So many people! - Ah! 51 00:07:22,612 --> 00:07:24,351 So many people turned up! 52 00:09:10,892 --> 00:09:15,892 Dear singers, compatriots, 53 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:19,506 let's sing "Lietuva brangi": 54 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,642 Lithuania... 55 00:09:24,684 --> 00:09:25,684 Wait a second. 56 00:09:26,768 --> 00:09:31,768 Lithuania, 57 00:09:35,309 --> 00:09:40,309 my precious motherland, 58 00:09:43,017 --> 00:09:48,017 A land where 59 00:09:50,225 --> 00:09:55,225 heroes sleep in your graves: 60 00:09:58,726 --> 00:10:03,726 Your beauty lies 61 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:11,559 in the skies so blue! 62 00:10:15,017 --> 00:10:20,017 My precious, you've seen 63 00:10:22,142 --> 00:10:27,142 so much torment and woe. 64 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:40,850 It didn't just start suddenly like a bolt from the blue. 65 00:10:42,059 --> 00:10:46,726 We had a desire for a different life, a more truthful life. 66 00:10:47,017 --> 00:10:51,392 As Solzhenitsyn said: a life without lies. 67 00:10:53,434 --> 00:10:56,726 That’s just what we wanted - a life without lies. 68 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,559 We wanted to speak of things as they were, 69 00:11:00,684 --> 00:11:02,892 not things to please the powers-that-be, 70 00:11:03,642 --> 00:11:08,595 about things that needed to be solved, things that needed to be changed. 71 00:11:09,225 --> 00:11:11,776 We even wanted to suggest how things could be changed. 72 00:11:12,849 --> 00:11:16,850 The authorities saw this as a challenge, 73 00:11:17,517 --> 00:11:20,100 though they themselves had asked for this, 74 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,726 when they’d announced changes. 75 00:11:26,726 --> 00:11:28,225 Perestroika means change. 76 00:11:29,684 --> 00:11:34,684 They realised that they were heading towards complete bankruptcy 77 00:11:35,017 --> 00:11:37,975 with their wretched Soviet Union, 78 00:11:39,434 --> 00:11:42,642 and in order to save the situation some changes had to be made. 79 00:11:43,933 --> 00:11:46,684 They announced the possibility of reforms 80 00:11:48,059 --> 00:11:51,476 and permitted people to discuss this topic 81 00:11:52,351 --> 00:11:56,059 without running the risk of being exiled to the land of polar bears 82 00:11:56,726 --> 00:12:00,059 for agreeing with Moscow 83 00:12:00,405 --> 00:12:04,421 that change was necessary, 84 00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:06,242 and for saying that we too supported change. 85 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:08,974 So when they started to pressure us: 86 00:12:08,975 --> 00:12:12,947 “Why are you… you’re demanding too much”, 87 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,351 we naturally replied, “You yourselves are in favour of reforms 88 00:12:17,601 --> 00:12:21,760 but we want more profound, 89 00:12:22,256 --> 00:12:26,684 essential and far-reaching reforms.” 90 00:12:26,975 --> 00:12:28,917 They took fright when they heard this, 91 00:12:29,678 --> 00:12:33,540 because it was a threat to their power. 92 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:36,892 These were not the reforms they wanted. 93 00:12:38,892 --> 00:12:42,545 But they somehow felt obliged 94 00:12:42,905 --> 00:12:44,945 “not to instantly crush people with tanks” 95 00:12:46,434 --> 00:12:49,934 but to allow them to discuss things freely 96 00:12:50,227 --> 00:12:53,465 and to ‘let off the steam of discontent’ 97 00:12:53,933 --> 00:12:59,808 by making some trivial changes and reforms, some "perestroikas". 98 00:13:00,849 --> 00:13:05,142 “We’ll do a few changes and it’ll all be fine, 99 00:13:05,809 --> 00:13:10,098 then the Americans and the whole world 100 00:13:10,266 --> 00:13:12,982 will think the leopard’s changed his spots 101 00:13:13,267 --> 00:13:15,294 and they will help us survive 102 00:13:16,336 --> 00:13:19,098 in the same old system of lies". 103 00:14:27,770 --> 00:14:30,283 Just you wait, go on, say it! 104 00:14:30,363 --> 00:14:31,363 Fascists! 105 00:14:32,004 --> 00:14:33,004 Fascists! 106 00:14:43,675 --> 00:14:46,908 Hey, what are you doing? He didn’t do anything! 107 00:14:47,241 --> 00:14:48,566 We'll have to see about that! 108 00:15:00,027 --> 00:15:01,517 What are you filming here? 109 00:15:11,463 --> 00:15:12,979 Shame! 110 00:15:53,164 --> 00:15:56,381 I keep telling you, we must sing the national anthem! 111 00:15:56,933 --> 00:15:58,245 I thank all of you 112 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,726 who have gathered here, have come here… 113 00:16:00,850 --> 00:16:04,850 Lithuanians have shown that they aren't slaves, and will never be. 114 00:16:05,382 --> 00:16:06,382 Dear... 115 00:16:31,734 --> 00:16:32,927 Quick march! 116 00:16:43,184 --> 00:16:48,184 My elderly father used to say: “What a pity that I'm so old. 117 00:16:51,267 --> 00:16:54,653 I'm too old, I won't live to see 118 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:58,399 them heading back home, 119 00:17:01,517 --> 00:17:02,892 but you will see them 120 00:17:03,517 --> 00:17:08,184 flee from our land.“ 121 00:17:09,225 --> 00:17:11,892 In fact he did live to see it too, he lived to 100 years of age. 122 00:17:12,601 --> 00:17:14,411 He built this summer house 123 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:18,476 for his family. 124 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:23,725 It was an article of faith for us, 125 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:27,505 that this couldn’t last forever. 126 00:17:27,809 --> 00:17:30,128 "Perhaps I won't live to see it, but you will. 127 00:17:31,768 --> 00:17:34,850 Have faith." And this faith was justified. 128 00:17:35,476 --> 00:17:40,309 But it’s a different matter to have faith, to wait, to hope 129 00:17:40,392 --> 00:17:43,145 and then to plunge into despair, 130 00:17:43,447 --> 00:17:48,726 alcoholism and desperation, because you think that nothing can change. 131 00:17:49,933 --> 00:17:51,476 But why not try to do something? 132 00:18:23,854 --> 00:18:25,191 Lithuania! 133 00:18:38,701 --> 00:18:40,326 Lithuania! 134 00:19:02,309 --> 00:19:07,309 Lithuania, our dear homeland. 135 00:19:08,517 --> 00:19:13,517 Land of worthy heroes! 136 00:19:48,092 --> 00:19:49,092 I feel... 137 00:19:51,426 --> 00:19:56,426 I feel as if I am in the holy temple of Lithuania. 138 00:19:58,059 --> 00:20:01,559 This isn't merely a hall, merely a sports hall, 139 00:20:01,975 --> 00:20:06,849 this is not an ordinary auditorium, this is the holy temple of Lithuania. 140 00:20:15,975 --> 00:20:18,178 On behalf of Sąjūdis, 141 00:20:19,045 --> 00:20:22,922 I call upon you, my dear compatriots, 142 00:20:23,768 --> 00:20:26,604 to take on this arduous task, 143 00:20:26,994 --> 00:20:34,353 to stand shoulder to shoulder, to put your hands to the plough, 144 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,629 for the good of Lithuania. 145 00:20:38,601 --> 00:20:42,392 God bless us all! 146 00:20:53,642 --> 00:20:56,849 With great joy in my heart, 147 00:21:00,142 --> 00:21:02,891 with great faith 148 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:07,503 in your hearts, in your love, 149 00:21:07,768 --> 00:21:09,695 in your desire 150 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:13,990 to restore independent Lithuania... 151 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:29,309 Lithuania! 152 00:21:48,726 --> 00:21:53,440 I don't think I've ever been so happy in my whole life, 153 00:21:53,606 --> 00:21:55,792 as I am now, 154 00:21:56,092 --> 00:21:58,001 in this temple, 155 00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:01,144 here with the whole of Lithuania! 156 00:22:02,142 --> 00:22:04,933 All of Lithuania has gathered here. 157 00:22:05,142 --> 00:22:10,142 Klaipėda, Panevėžys, Utena, the whole country 158 00:22:11,184 --> 00:22:15,809 is here today in our temple. 159 00:22:19,601 --> 00:22:22,859 I declare 160 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:28,753 this extraordinary congress open. 161 00:22:53,351 --> 00:22:55,933 We invite the next speaker to the stand: 162 00:22:56,517 --> 00:22:59,767 the First secretary of the Central Committee 163 00:22:59,768 --> 00:23:03,017 of the Communist Party of Lithuania comrade Algirdas Brazauskas. 164 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:24,663 Dear delegates and guests of the founding congress 165 00:23:25,256 --> 00:23:28,392 of Sąjūdis, the Reform Movement of Lithuania, 166 00:23:29,372 --> 00:23:30,914 dear comrades, 167 00:23:32,243 --> 00:23:36,410 in the name of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Lithuania. 168 00:23:37,017 --> 00:23:40,184 I am honoured to greet the founding congress of Sąjūdis 169 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:43,645 on behalf of the Supreme Soviet, 170 00:23:43,983 --> 00:23:47,400 the Presidium and the government of the Lithuanian SSR 171 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:51,473 and to wish that its work 172 00:23:51,975 --> 00:23:55,933 may be constructive and productive. 173 00:24:02,434 --> 00:24:06,726 Three days ago I had a chance to meet with the General Secretary 174 00:24:07,267 --> 00:24:12,267 of the Central Committee of the CP of the Soviet Union, 175 00:24:13,491 --> 00:24:17,949 the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, Mikhail Gorbachev. 176 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:29,559 He asked me to transmit his warmest wishes 177 00:24:29,809 --> 00:24:33,267 to the creative and hard-working people of Lithuania, 178 00:24:40,608 --> 00:24:42,482 for whom he has great respect. 179 00:24:42,809 --> 00:24:45,059 Comrade Gorbachev said 180 00:24:45,418 --> 00:24:48,785 that in Sąjūdis he sees a positive force, 181 00:24:49,142 --> 00:24:52,601 which can benefit perestroika 182 00:24:53,017 --> 00:24:56,392 and strengthen the authority of Soviet Lithuania even further. 183 00:24:58,476 --> 00:25:02,248 The next speaker is Antanas Terleckas 184 00:25:02,435 --> 00:25:04,278 from the Freedom League of Lithuania. 185 00:25:16,059 --> 00:25:17,975 In the name of the Freedom League of Lithuania 186 00:25:18,059 --> 00:25:22,017 I proclaim that the Lithuanian nation with its glorious history 187 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:24,184 and centuries-old tradition of statehood 188 00:25:24,392 --> 00:25:28,768 can never be reconciled to the enslavement imposed upon it by Hitler and Stalin. 189 00:25:48,849 --> 00:25:52,601 The Freedom League of Lithuania demands from the government of the Soviet Union: 190 00:25:52,642 --> 00:25:57,434 1. A declaration that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is null and void; 191 00:25:57,892 --> 00:26:02,892 2. The withdrawal of its military forces from Lithuania, 192 00:26:03,809 --> 00:26:07,309 enabling the Lithuanian people to choose their own destiny. 193 00:26:12,142 --> 00:26:16,142 The Soviet press tries to convince us, that we are inferior, 194 00:26:16,392 --> 00:26:20,100 that we cannot survive on our own, with our economy destroyed 195 00:26:20,184 --> 00:26:22,059 by Stalin and Brezhnev. 196 00:26:22,225 --> 00:26:25,642 The disciples of colonialism preach that 197 00:26:25,768 --> 00:26:30,768 "small" nations cannot move an inch without "friendly" aid. 198 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,434 Perhaps it's time for us to cease being a burden 199 00:26:34,517 --> 00:26:36,476 to our benefactors from Moscow? 200 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:49,351 At the moment, the United Nations consists of 159 countries. 201 00:26:49,601 --> 00:26:52,768 We can be inspired by the 62 countries 202 00:26:53,017 --> 00:26:56,017 which have smaller populations than Lithuania. 203 00:26:56,434 --> 00:27:00,975 They have declined the help of bigger countries and declared their independence. 204 00:27:01,434 --> 00:27:06,434 Only poor old Russia is still carrying the heavy burden of patronage. 205 00:27:08,768 --> 00:27:12,142 Let's provide her with international aid - 206 00:27:12,476 --> 00:27:17,100 from now on, we'll try to carry our own political and economic burden. 207 00:27:27,245 --> 00:27:30,517 The Chairman of the Liturgical Commission 208 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:34,184 of the Lithuanian Dioceses, Vaclovas Aliulis has the floor. 209 00:27:34,892 --> 00:27:38,351 To be more precise, reverend Vaclovas Aliulis. 210 00:27:41,962 --> 00:27:44,762 First of all, a short clarification 211 00:27:44,816 --> 00:27:48,087 about tomorrow morning's mass. 212 00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:50,142 It was announced on TV 213 00:27:50,184 --> 00:27:52,642 that the mass will take place in the Cathedral. 214 00:27:55,225 --> 00:28:00,100 Our bishops are not prepared to enter the Cathedral for just one hour. 215 00:28:18,850 --> 00:28:20,849 We will not hold a service in the Cathedral 216 00:28:20,892 --> 00:28:24,476 until we get it back and reconsecrate it. 217 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:29,184 Holy mass will be held outside the closed doors of the Cathedral 218 00:28:29,642 --> 00:28:33,434 at 7.15 a.m. tomorrow. 219 00:28:36,392 --> 00:28:40,309 The service will be led by his Eminence Cardinal Vincentas Sladkevičius. 220 00:29:00,161 --> 00:29:01,476 Do you have a light? 221 00:29:08,148 --> 00:29:12,065 One, two, three - Lithuania is beautiful! 222 00:29:19,809 --> 00:29:22,974 Don't you worry, old pa, 223 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:31,100 Don't you worry, old pa, Your son will grow up, 224 00:29:32,517 --> 00:29:37,059 Your son will grow up. 225 00:30:06,515 --> 00:30:07,811 Hurrah! 226 00:30:22,267 --> 00:30:27,100 Remember, we also need to be patient. 227 00:30:27,850 --> 00:30:31,309 And sometimes we doubt if these changes are real. 228 00:30:31,915 --> 00:30:35,164 These current changes 229 00:30:35,219 --> 00:30:38,830 are like seedlings in autumn - 230 00:30:39,142 --> 00:30:43,920 we don't know whether they'll turn out to be 231 00:30:43,979 --> 00:30:46,073 wheat or rye. 232 00:30:46,562 --> 00:30:51,437 And we believe that these current changes 233 00:30:51,691 --> 00:30:57,401 will lead our people and our country to a joyful future. 234 00:30:58,684 --> 00:31:03,684 My friends, patience means progress, 235 00:31:04,267 --> 00:31:09,878 and our people must combine 236 00:31:09,939 --> 00:31:12,668 patience with growth. 237 00:31:19,517 --> 00:31:21,726 ...is this some trap or snare? 238 00:31:22,309 --> 00:31:24,768 Many of us are surely asking ourselves this very question, 239 00:31:24,793 --> 00:31:25,976 because it's so hard to believe 240 00:31:25,977 --> 00:31:28,712 that recent events in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia 241 00:31:28,748 --> 00:31:30,566 have been allowed to unfold without interference. 242 00:31:30,591 --> 00:31:32,100 So another query arises. 243 00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:36,251 Why is Sąjūdis not being stopped from becoming a real political power? 244 00:31:36,278 --> 00:31:38,833 Bastions are falling suspiciously fast. 245 00:31:38,858 --> 00:31:40,702 We are already discussing a national currency (litas), 246 00:31:40,727 --> 00:31:42,259 we have got a new government, 247 00:31:42,284 --> 00:31:45,101 and have been given back Vilnius Cathedral as a Christmas present, 248 00:31:45,126 --> 00:31:46,367 on the eve of our congress. 249 00:31:46,414 --> 00:31:49,271 This is a miracle - all our wishes are granted! 250 00:31:49,517 --> 00:31:51,933 But let's try to work out what's actually going on. 251 00:31:52,059 --> 00:31:54,809 We should remember that in a desperate situation, 252 00:31:54,850 --> 00:31:58,068 secondary things are always sacrificed for the sake of more important things. 253 00:31:58,392 --> 00:32:02,225 The situation of the Soviet Union, both internationally and at home, 254 00:32:02,309 --> 00:32:05,017 means it needs to make all sorts of concessions and reforms 255 00:32:05,075 --> 00:32:07,153 in order to preserve the existing power structure 256 00:32:07,178 --> 00:32:08,529 and the USSR itself. 257 00:32:11,199 --> 00:32:13,588 In this situation, the Baltic region, 258 00:32:13,589 --> 00:32:16,190 which has always had special relations with the USSR, 259 00:32:16,242 --> 00:32:18,609 has been given substantial freedom of action, 260 00:32:18,656 --> 00:32:20,382 and might even retain it for some time. 261 00:32:20,409 --> 00:32:24,075 In order to prevent us exercising this freedom fully and irreversibly, 262 00:32:24,284 --> 00:32:27,492 they have given us everything that can easily be withdrawn: 263 00:32:27,617 --> 00:32:30,284 Lithuanian citizenship, economic autonomy, 264 00:32:30,325 --> 00:32:32,868 and have met other demands which don't seem to them too drastic, 265 00:32:32,992 --> 00:32:35,075 as they can easily overturn them. 266 00:32:35,367 --> 00:32:38,117 There is only one question, and it is a very simple one: 267 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,659 are we still in the Union or not? 268 00:32:53,492 --> 00:32:56,284 Then the question arises, is it necessary to keep the point 269 00:32:56,492 --> 00:32:59,242 which describes Lithuania as a republic of the federation? 270 00:32:59,575 --> 00:33:00,919 If we do so, we acknowledge 271 00:33:00,993 --> 00:33:04,481 the legality of the decision taken by the parliament in 1940, 272 00:33:04,506 --> 00:33:06,799 to join the Soviet Union, and we legitimise the occupation 273 00:33:06,824 --> 00:33:08,393 on behalf of Sąjūdis. 274 00:33:08,742 --> 00:33:10,691 We must reject this point. 275 00:33:19,242 --> 00:33:20,909 That doesn't mean 276 00:33:21,701 --> 00:33:24,909 that we are calling for confrontation, for conflict, 277 00:33:25,033 --> 00:33:27,659 or for the desire to instantly quit the Soviet Union. 278 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:29,742 It is only a wish… 279 00:33:32,075 --> 00:33:33,701 It is only a statement of truth, 280 00:33:33,742 --> 00:33:37,444 which must recorded in the programme of Sąjūdis, and nothing more. 281 00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:39,159 Thank you for your attention. 282 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,492 The next speaker is Vytautas Petkevičius. 283 00:33:53,242 --> 00:33:54,367 Dear friends, 284 00:33:55,451 --> 00:33:58,909 I can't understand how 285 00:33:59,676 --> 00:34:03,159 the previous speaker contrived to appear on the podium. 286 00:34:08,784 --> 00:34:11,742 I may make myself very unpopular 287 00:34:13,117 --> 00:34:17,626 by saying that this speech 288 00:34:17,665 --> 00:34:19,175 seems to me to be a provocation. 289 00:34:31,033 --> 00:34:33,826 It was completely reckless. 290 00:34:33,962 --> 00:34:36,097 We must be realistic about our strength 291 00:34:36,122 --> 00:34:38,239 and understand what is possible now. 292 00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:40,659 We can't refuse the offer of freedom, 293 00:34:40,784 --> 00:34:44,159 we can't refuse such things as independence etc. 294 00:34:44,492 --> 00:34:48,659 But only a person who hasn't contributed to creating Sąjūdis 295 00:34:48,949 --> 00:34:51,200 could spit out such provocation. 296 00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:55,075 Someone courting popularity, and seeking undeserved recognition, 297 00:34:55,325 --> 00:34:57,117 for something he played no part in. 298 00:35:08,409 --> 00:35:09,509 If Petkevičius... 299 00:35:09,534 --> 00:35:10,634 He’s an agent-provocateur… 300 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:13,409 Enemy of the people... 301 00:35:15,242 --> 00:35:17,701 ...you gave such a halfwitted explanation, you see? 302 00:35:17,826 --> 00:35:21,784 I'm telling you, you haven't proved your point, 303 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:24,492 Only pure facts... No, you didn't set out… 304 00:35:25,117 --> 00:35:26,659 You only stated - either this or that. 305 00:35:28,701 --> 00:35:30,992 ...to label this speech 306 00:35:31,033 --> 00:35:32,909 as a provocation is completely… 307 00:35:33,742 --> 00:35:35,784 Petkevičius should apologize. 308 00:35:35,826 --> 00:35:38,949 I was approached by the representatives from Panevėžys and Šiauliai 309 00:35:38,992 --> 00:35:43,325 and they said, "If this was a statement from the Kaunas initiative group, 310 00:35:43,492 --> 00:35:45,576 we must express our doubts about this group." 311 00:35:45,617 --> 00:35:47,409 ...they would like to meet the Kaunas group. 312 00:35:47,451 --> 00:35:49,159 Perhaps you could meet and clear things up? 313 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,784 - Where are they? - Who wants to see us? 314 00:35:50,826 --> 00:35:51,908 The initiative group. 315 00:35:51,909 --> 00:35:53,826 - The Vilnius group? - Which group? 316 00:35:54,325 --> 00:35:56,201 Do you understand the nature of his demands? 317 00:35:56,202 --> 00:35:58,053 That man is calling for bloodshed! 318 00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:00,284 - No, he absolutely is not. - Why? 319 00:36:00,309 --> 00:36:02,714 - He isn't calling for bloodshed! - You people are so naïve! 320 00:36:02,739 --> 00:36:04,868 You obviously haven't understood what he was saying. 321 00:36:05,284 --> 00:36:07,367 The army will demand this and will do it. 322 00:36:07,701 --> 00:36:09,617 You started this mess so easily... 323 00:36:10,117 --> 00:36:13,492 You also say that 'glasnost' and all... What kind of 'glasnost' is this then? 324 00:36:14,075 --> 00:36:16,534 You just had to show off in front of the foreigners... 325 00:36:16,868 --> 00:36:18,534 Where is our group meeting? 326 00:36:19,075 --> 00:36:21,075 Respect Lithuania, honour... 327 00:36:22,576 --> 00:36:27,409 Let's cut to the chase: does Sąjūdis need this? 328 00:36:28,335 --> 00:36:29,602 Only a silly kid 329 00:36:29,627 --> 00:36:32,204 who hasn't given his life to the cause, could spout such stuff. 330 00:36:32,229 --> 00:36:33,229 You can't do this! 331 00:36:33,711 --> 00:36:35,293 Do you want a Karabakh-style war here? 332 00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,568 - No-one's saying that … - Then there's another question. 333 00:36:39,749 --> 00:36:40,624 Another question. 334 00:36:40,649 --> 00:36:43,296 Members of the Kaunas group... Just a second, comrade Vytautas. 335 00:36:43,335 --> 00:36:45,100 Dear comrade Petkevičius... 336 00:36:45,125 --> 00:36:47,575 - I’ve got a question... - Please, let's take turns to speak. 337 00:36:47,615 --> 00:36:50,075 I've got just a single question, with respect, Kaunas group... 338 00:36:50,107 --> 00:36:51,849 Kaunas group? 339 00:36:52,909 --> 00:36:56,325 Do you agree with this man's speech? 340 00:36:56,409 --> 00:36:57,949 He was giving his personal opinion. 341 00:36:57,992 --> 00:37:00,075 Hold on, do you agree with his speech? 342 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,451 I, personally, don't. 343 00:37:01,576 --> 00:37:03,075 The question should be different. 344 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:06,376 You should be asking if someone has the right to express such an opinion. 345 00:37:06,401 --> 00:37:07,599 That's exactly what I'm asking. 346 00:37:07,624 --> 00:37:11,409 This is the issue of utmost importance, that I will defend as a member of Sąjūdis. 347 00:37:11,659 --> 00:37:14,617 Because next time, when I express my opinion, 348 00:37:14,742 --> 00:37:17,033 another worthy fellow might show up 349 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:18,659 and call me an agent-provocateur. 350 00:37:19,784 --> 00:37:22,742 The same might happen to you, and to a second and third person. 351 00:37:22,784 --> 00:37:25,784 Listen, you should leave your personal opinion at home, 352 00:37:25,826 --> 00:37:27,715 here you represent the opinion of your city 353 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:30,018 and of a particular group. 354 00:37:30,088 --> 00:37:31,966 Don't foist your own opinion on people. 355 00:37:33,145 --> 00:37:34,700 We agree on Lithuania's destination, 356 00:37:34,725 --> 00:37:37,294 but we may strongly disagree about how to go to get there. 357 00:37:37,799 --> 00:37:40,551 You really need wisdom, a sense of responsibility... 358 00:37:41,492 --> 00:37:44,742 Not even close, don't ruin everything. 359 00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:46,968 This might shock you, but I want to say 360 00:37:47,033 --> 00:37:50,033 that I support his right to express his opinion. 361 00:37:50,075 --> 00:37:53,701 He does not have a right to share his own opinion... he does not. 362 00:37:54,742 --> 00:37:57,075 With respect, you don't understand what Sąjūdis is. 363 00:38:00,242 --> 00:38:02,771 ...it's a very good lesson, we also need to think how to leave. 364 00:38:02,826 --> 00:38:04,966 He expressed his opinion and that's it... 365 00:38:04,967 --> 00:38:05,850 He overreacted. 366 00:38:05,875 --> 00:38:07,527 That's right, Petkevičius also overreacted 367 00:38:07,552 --> 00:38:09,117 but it's very dangerous! 368 00:38:09,367 --> 00:38:12,159 Listen, you need to understand that this is a really serious matter, 369 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,033 It's not about hats or payslips... 370 00:38:16,284 --> 00:38:18,325 Folks, let's calm down. That's enough! 371 00:38:25,117 --> 00:38:29,325 Of course it was, and we relied on people’s good sense, 372 00:38:29,409 --> 00:38:34,409 that, given all the grievances 373 00:38:34,492 --> 00:38:37,200 and injustice they had endured, 374 00:38:38,576 --> 00:38:42,033 they would choose the right path. 375 00:38:43,492 --> 00:38:47,409 At first, that path was a call for "more freedoms". 376 00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:52,438 Then later we tried to channel it 377 00:38:52,611 --> 00:38:56,445 into a call for "greater autonomy", 378 00:38:57,701 --> 00:39:00,777 we even proposed some policies… 379 00:39:02,316 --> 00:39:04,316 The idea of economic autonomy - 380 00:39:04,325 --> 00:39:06,534 the Estonians came up with this idea. 381 00:39:07,242 --> 00:39:09,547 Here, in Lithuania, we began to call it 382 00:39:10,101 --> 00:39:14,201 either "economic sovereignty" 383 00:39:15,075 --> 00:39:17,534 or "ecological sovereignty", 384 00:39:18,242 --> 00:39:22,367 and this immediately confused the issue. 385 00:39:22,949 --> 00:39:27,242 What kind of "partial sovereignty" 386 00:39:27,576 --> 00:39:32,576 could be granted to the republic? 387 00:39:33,492 --> 00:39:35,701 Although we didn't even get that far. 388 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,200 However proposals were made for programmes of economic independence 389 00:39:41,492 --> 00:39:43,701 for the Baltic Soviet republics. 390 00:39:45,033 --> 00:39:47,659 Gorbachev even agreed 391 00:39:47,701 --> 00:39:51,033 to pass this law in Moscow 392 00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:52,949 to pacify the Baltic countries, 393 00:39:52,992 --> 00:39:55,409 to give them the impression that they had gained something. 394 00:39:56,284 --> 00:40:00,075 But, when the time came to pass the law, 395 00:40:00,242 --> 00:40:04,701 all the important clauses were rejected. 396 00:40:05,451 --> 00:40:06,617 It often happened like this: 397 00:40:07,617 --> 00:40:12,075 we would present a draft law hoping that it would be passed, 398 00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:16,492 but then amendments would be proposed: remove this, remove that, 399 00:40:16,784 --> 00:40:18,033 replace this with that... 400 00:40:18,117 --> 00:40:22,451 And, of course, the authorities agreed with the substitutions… 401 00:40:22,576 --> 00:40:27,576 These "amendments" were always top-down, 402 00:40:28,378 --> 00:40:30,611 and left nothing of the original proposal. 403 00:40:30,949 --> 00:40:35,367 So that even our most fierce advocates 404 00:40:35,657 --> 00:40:38,217 of gradual reforms 405 00:40:38,255 --> 00:40:39,902 like Mrs. Prunskienė, 406 00:40:40,245 --> 00:40:44,560 who was so proud that the law 407 00:40:44,617 --> 00:40:49,617 on economic independence would be passed, 408 00:40:50,492 --> 00:40:52,976 also came back disappointed, 409 00:40:52,977 --> 00:40:56,063 feeling she had been deceived and tricked by Moscow. 410 00:40:56,094 --> 00:40:59,159 They had been working hard, had agreed on everything, 411 00:40:59,242 --> 00:41:01,784 but when they got to Moscow, they were swindled. 412 00:41:02,534 --> 00:41:05,325 The law was meaningless, it was passed in name only. 413 00:41:05,909 --> 00:41:09,576 This was yet more proof 414 00:41:09,909 --> 00:41:14,909 that we would achieve nothing 415 00:41:15,243 --> 00:41:18,089 with partial concessions and reforms. 416 00:41:19,367 --> 00:41:24,367 The top brass always had tricks up their sleeves, 417 00:41:25,742 --> 00:41:29,992 according to the well-known principle: "I'm the boss, and you're an idiot". 418 00:41:36,026 --> 00:41:40,197 Comrade Deputies, Professor Landsbergis 419 00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:44,084 of the State Conservatory 420 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:48,576 of the Lithuanian SSR, has the floor. 421 00:41:53,701 --> 00:41:56,576 Honourable congress, honourable chairman, 422 00:41:57,367 --> 00:42:00,159 we must all try to understand each other, 423 00:42:00,742 --> 00:42:05,325 to find common goals and to value everyone’s noble aims. 424 00:42:05,992 --> 00:42:09,701 Let ‘s show a political culture that’s fit 425 00:42:10,033 --> 00:42:12,492 to be part of the universal culture of humanity. 426 00:42:13,949 --> 00:42:18,159 The desire of the Baltic republics to strengthen their autonomy, 427 00:42:18,492 --> 00:42:20,868 to aim for the return of their statehood 428 00:42:20,992 --> 00:42:24,784 is also the way to release the creative powers of the nation. 429 00:42:25,284 --> 00:42:27,492 This is one of the goals of perestroika. 430 00:42:28,117 --> 00:42:31,826 The gains won on this path will be gains for us all - 431 00:42:32,242 --> 00:42:36,554 for instance, the policy of economic autonomy for the republics, 432 00:42:36,601 --> 00:42:38,393 developed in the Baltics. 433 00:42:38,992 --> 00:42:42,367 It has already been adopted in Lithuania and Estonia 434 00:42:42,451 --> 00:42:46,701 and I hereby propose it to the congress as a law for the entire Union, 435 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,534 which, in our view, would be beneficial for all the republics. 436 00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:52,636 It would be sad 437 00:42:52,774 --> 00:42:57,425 if this proposal got dumped in the "miscellaneous" pile. 438 00:42:58,451 --> 00:43:04,200 The democratisation of a country includes the defence of the process of democracy. 439 00:43:04,909 --> 00:43:10,117 I would like to remind you of the warning given in Tallin on May 14th 440 00:43:10,492 --> 00:43:13,784 by the Baltic Assembly of the Popular Fronts, 441 00:43:13,826 --> 00:43:16,325 including the Lithuanian Sąjūdis 442 00:43:16,909 --> 00:43:18,690 to the Congress of People’s Deputies, 443 00:43:18,885 --> 00:43:23,347 a warning about the threat of war 444 00:43:23,418 --> 00:43:25,896 by the state against its own people. 445 00:43:26,617 --> 00:43:31,325 This document should be distributed among all the delegates of this congress. 446 00:43:31,409 --> 00:43:34,534 It calls for the armed forces to be used 447 00:43:34,909 --> 00:43:39,909 exclusively in defence against an external attack. 448 00:43:41,676 --> 00:43:45,843 These stipulations have also been included in more detail, 449 00:43:45,868 --> 00:43:48,325 in a letter to the USSR Congress of People’s Deputies, 450 00:43:49,075 --> 00:43:53,992 a letter signed by 50 deputies from Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, 451 00:43:54,617 --> 00:43:57,409 in which we propose 452 00:43:57,742 --> 00:44:01,325 to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR a legislative initiative 453 00:44:01,784 --> 00:44:04,742 including point number 4: 454 00:44:04,868 --> 00:44:07,075 the disbanding of the military units 455 00:44:07,492 --> 00:44:09,908 which took part in the killings and repression 456 00:44:09,909 --> 00:44:12,409 of civilians in the city of Tbilisi, 457 00:44:12,492 --> 00:44:14,659 and brought disgrace to the army’s name. 458 00:44:20,909 --> 00:44:23,409 These documents are convincing proof 459 00:44:23,451 --> 00:44:26,492 that our concerns relate to everyone - 460 00:44:26,617 --> 00:44:30,242 we want no peacetime testing 461 00:44:30,284 --> 00:44:32,701 of chemical warfare gasses, 462 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,784 and the Congress, which is responsible for the fate of democracy in this country, 463 00:44:37,242 --> 00:44:41,409 must stop any potential Napoleonic coup 464 00:44:41,784 --> 00:44:46,784 or Pinochet-style uprising from acquiring apparent legitimacy. 465 00:44:48,117 --> 00:44:49,992 Please remember what I'm referring to: 466 00:44:50,117 --> 00:44:54,117 the Minister of the Interior’s right 467 00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,492 to deploy special forces at his own discretion; 468 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,033 and to the right of the Supreme Soviet 469 00:45:02,367 --> 00:45:07,325 to declare a state of emergency throughout the entire country. 470 00:45:07,742 --> 00:45:11,075 For instance, it could imprison Gorbachev 471 00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:13,576 and openly proclaim itself a ruling junta. 472 00:45:14,701 --> 00:45:19,491 Do we really want to grant them such extraordinary powers 473 00:45:19,492 --> 00:45:21,576 without any public control? 474 00:45:22,075 --> 00:45:26,701 Are you really willing to accept a ghost standing at your door, 475 00:45:27,325 --> 00:45:30,992 with a badly written constitution in one hand 476 00:45:31,033 --> 00:45:33,701 and a blood-stained shovel in the other, 477 00:45:33,742 --> 00:45:35,868 which is what such legal powers amount to? 478 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,659 Lithuania, in any case, won’t accept this. 479 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:50,909 Please take my remarks as a proposal 480 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,242 for each and every Congress deputy to reflect upon this matter, 481 00:45:54,826 --> 00:45:59,826 to return to the discussions, and vote to repeal these provisions 482 00:45:59,868 --> 00:46:03,617 and recent amendments to the criminal law, 483 00:46:03,659 --> 00:46:06,492 especially with regard to crimes against the state. 484 00:46:06,742 --> 00:46:10,228 We must also reflect on what’s gone on so far 485 00:46:10,332 --> 00:46:12,111 and the different standpoints taken. 486 00:46:12,576 --> 00:46:17,242 3 days ago, Deputy Rodionov expressed his nostalgia for 1937 487 00:46:17,325 --> 00:46:19,576 and many deputies warmly applauded him. 488 00:46:20,451 --> 00:46:24,868 Think, comrade deputies, why did you clap? 489 00:46:29,701 --> 00:46:31,159 Another issue which concerns us all 490 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,117 is the black and bloody stain on the history of the USSR 491 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,200 created by the Hitler-Stalin pact, which has already been discussed here. 492 00:46:41,033 --> 00:46:43,450 The existence of these secret protocols 493 00:46:43,475 --> 00:46:46,744 is proved by the Nuremberg copies, 494 00:46:47,242 --> 00:46:51,956 and by the fact that these protocols were diligently used 495 00:46:51,957 --> 00:46:53,928 from 1939 to 1941. 496 00:46:54,659 --> 00:46:59,200 In my opinion, Mikhail Gorbachev himself has no doubts about their existence. 497 00:46:59,367 --> 00:47:04,325 I propose the following formulation for the parliamentary enquiry: 498 00:47:04,826 --> 00:47:07,949 On the Pact and the Problem of the Secret Protocols. 499 00:47:08,909 --> 00:47:12,367 The aim of the enquiry was clearly defined in the appeal to us 500 00:47:12,492 --> 00:47:15,159 by the Supreme Soviet of the Lithuanian SSR - 501 00:47:15,949 --> 00:47:18,784 to denounce these secret deals, 502 00:47:18,826 --> 00:47:21,491 signed by the then Soviet authorities, 503 00:47:21,492 --> 00:47:25,868 and to deem them null and void from the moment of signature. 504 00:47:26,659 --> 00:47:29,325 There is no doubt that it will be done, 505 00:47:30,242 --> 00:47:34,492 but it would in all our best interests not to drag our feet. 506 00:47:48,992 --> 00:47:53,492 They felt the growing strength of Sąjūdis 507 00:47:54,492 --> 00:47:55,992 and they... 508 00:48:00,659 --> 00:48:04,075 they started to push back against Sąjūdis 509 00:48:04,117 --> 00:48:08,742 and even refused to accept what had already been agreed: 510 00:48:09,367 --> 00:48:13,742 the Supreme Soviet had agreed 511 00:48:14,325 --> 00:48:19,075 to pass amendments in line with the Estonian amendments 512 00:48:19,659 --> 00:48:23,576 regarding the precedence of the laws of the republic... 513 00:48:26,614 --> 00:48:29,700 and even regarding the right to own land, to own the natural resources, 514 00:48:30,377 --> 00:48:33,252 declaring them to be the property of the Lithuanian Republic, 515 00:48:33,284 --> 00:48:34,992 and not the Soviet Union. 516 00:48:35,992 --> 00:48:40,450 We prepared the same draft 517 00:48:40,451 --> 00:48:43,072 as the Estonian government, 518 00:48:43,284 --> 00:48:48,242 and although the Brazauskas government did not approve it, 519 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,992 they agreed to "put it to the vote". 520 00:48:54,409 --> 00:48:59,245 They thought they were still in control 521 00:48:59,572 --> 00:49:01,460 in the Supreme Soviet 522 00:49:01,534 --> 00:49:04,909 but then they lost their nerve and tricked us, 523 00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:07,659 and when the time came to vote on the proposals, 524 00:49:09,492 --> 00:49:12,075 they pulled a fast one on us... 525 00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:17,159 And then, of course, we protested 526 00:49:18,165 --> 00:49:21,337 and declared that from that moment on. 527 00:49:21,563 --> 00:49:27,148 Sąjūdis would oppose these cheats. 528 00:49:27,409 --> 00:49:28,992 And what was their reaction? 529 00:49:29,117 --> 00:49:31,234 Then they began to... 530 00:49:32,937 --> 00:49:36,734 threaten us, put us under pressure and so on, 531 00:49:37,033 --> 00:49:38,819 but by then, 532 00:49:39,394 --> 00:49:43,286 we had already been elected as People's Deputies of the USSR, 533 00:49:44,492 --> 00:49:49,451 and enjoyed a certain protection from high-ranking officials, 534 00:49:50,534 --> 00:49:52,759 further up the pecking order 535 00:49:53,350 --> 00:49:54,926 than those in the republic. 536 00:49:56,701 --> 00:49:59,659 This gave us some kind of protection. 537 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:03,989 The local bosses couldn't just break us up or arrest us 538 00:50:04,445 --> 00:50:06,466 without Moscow's approval. 539 00:50:07,701 --> 00:50:09,825 And they wouldn’t have got such approval. 540 00:50:09,826 --> 00:50:12,444 They would have been told: “You’re incompetent. 541 00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:14,909 Find a way to shut them up, 542 00:50:17,033 --> 00:50:19,784 but without any arrests or violence"... 543 00:50:19,909 --> 00:50:22,492 In fact prison cells had already been prepared for us. 544 00:50:23,284 --> 00:50:28,033 We found out later that the old KGB cellars 545 00:50:28,325 --> 00:50:31,033 had been renovated, cleaned up 546 00:50:31,367 --> 00:50:36,159 and the cells for 34 people 547 00:50:36,701 --> 00:50:38,701 had been converted into 2-4 person cells. 548 00:50:39,909 --> 00:50:41,949 According to the status of the prisoners? 549 00:50:42,284 --> 00:50:46,742 Yes, for deputies and Sąjūdis members, 550 00:50:47,492 --> 00:50:51,949 if the occasion arose, if they went too far. 551 00:50:52,048 --> 00:50:55,416 So we created the Baltic Chain 552 00:50:55,417 --> 00:50:58,454 all the way from Vilnius to Tallinn, 553 00:50:58,617 --> 00:51:01,492 two million people took part. 554 00:51:01,992 --> 00:51:05,367 So how could they start repressions at such a moment? 555 00:51:06,033 --> 00:51:10,325 They were on very shaky ground... 556 00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:16,159 We stuck to our principle 557 00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:19,451 of non-violence: 558 00:51:20,033 --> 00:51:22,992 no destruction, 559 00:51:24,492 --> 00:51:27,508 no smashing of windows 560 00:51:28,180 --> 00:51:29,970 or burning of cars - 561 00:51:30,617 --> 00:51:32,492 nothing like that. 562 00:51:32,949 --> 00:51:35,826 We proceeded peacefully, calmly and creatively. 563 00:51:36,492 --> 00:51:41,492 And if they couldn't cope with change, 564 00:51:42,677 --> 00:51:46,343 let them make way for others who could undertake these "perestroikas". 565 00:52:12,931 --> 00:52:14,531 But where shall we put all these flowers? 566 00:52:25,868 --> 00:52:28,284 ...they told me not to bring them, there'll be other cars. 567 00:52:28,325 --> 00:52:29,992 There will be more cars, so then... 568 00:52:30,033 --> 00:52:32,200 They told me not to bring them, there's no room. 569 00:52:33,701 --> 00:52:35,242 They said "Don't bring any more". 570 00:54:48,572 --> 00:54:50,569 From Latvia and Estonia... 571 00:55:16,506 --> 00:55:21,063 Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, 572 00:55:23,389 --> 00:55:26,200 The Baltics are waking up, 573 00:55:26,921 --> 00:55:29,613 The Baltics are waking up, 574 00:55:30,326 --> 00:55:34,729 Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. 575 00:55:36,007 --> 00:55:37,759 Very good! Great! 576 00:55:40,735 --> 00:55:42,090 People, prepare yourselves! 577 00:55:42,256 --> 00:55:43,536 Now we're going to form a chain! 578 00:55:43,561 --> 00:55:44,561 Come here! 579 00:55:45,330 --> 00:55:46,330 Hold hands! 580 00:55:56,242 --> 00:55:58,242 Freedom for the three cousins. 581 00:56:22,110 --> 00:56:26,766 Your beauty lies. 582 00:56:27,245 --> 00:56:32,202 In the skies so blue. 583 00:56:33,282 --> 00:56:38,282 My precious, you've seen 584 00:56:38,632 --> 00:56:43,632 so much torment and woe. 585 00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:50,800 Your beauty lies 586 00:56:51,416 --> 00:56:56,352 in the skies so blue. 587 00:56:57,585 --> 00:57:02,112 My precious, you've seen 588 00:57:03,384 --> 00:57:08,149 so much torment and woe. 589 00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:08,202 I remember my speech in Vilnius, 590 00:58:09,242 --> 00:58:12,968 at the meeting with Šepetys, 591 00:58:13,288 --> 00:58:15,961 the secretary for ideology. 592 00:58:17,325 --> 00:58:20,239 There were a few Central Committee members present 593 00:58:20,264 --> 00:58:21,594 but he was the most senior, 594 00:58:22,492 --> 00:58:24,617 representing the local communist party. 595 00:58:25,617 --> 00:58:27,616 And we represented Sąjūdis, 596 00:58:27,617 --> 00:58:30,068 although we also had a few party members 597 00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:32,511 whose point of view 598 00:58:33,362 --> 00:58:36,292 already diverged from the official party line. 599 00:58:38,715 --> 00:58:41,347 Šepetys asked us 600 00:58:42,534 --> 00:58:44,657 "not to be too rebellious, 601 00:58:44,768 --> 00:58:47,576 not to create our own organisations", 602 00:58:47,868 --> 00:58:50,492 because they also wanted reforms. 603 00:58:51,325 --> 00:58:54,949 "Come and join us as advisors, as aides, 604 00:58:55,826 --> 00:58:58,784 and we can make these changes together." 605 00:59:00,475 --> 00:59:05,475 Then I decided to speak as if expressing my own personal opinion, 606 00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:09,492 though it was the position of Sąjūdis’s other wing. 607 00:59:10,117 --> 00:59:13,492 I told them that we could see 608 00:59:13,701 --> 00:59:17,270 that their organization 609 00:59:17,497 --> 00:59:20,769 was disunited, 610 00:59:21,367 --> 00:59:26,200 and that they had conflicting views on perestroika, on reform, 611 00:59:26,325 --> 00:59:29,992 on the rights of Lithuania and its people. 612 00:59:33,235 --> 00:59:37,636 So, we wouldn't know whom to advise, what to advise, 613 00:59:37,675 --> 00:59:39,134 or what our role would be. 614 00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:43,659 I said we’d go on with our programme 615 00:59:44,082 --> 00:59:46,159 which was open, 616 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,433 and only hostile to backwardness, 617 00:59:51,451 --> 00:59:54,242 stagnation and lies. 618 00:59:55,242 --> 00:59:57,827 Those of you who support 619 00:59:58,867 --> 01:00:02,286 our approach 620 01:00:03,033 --> 01:00:04,409 are welcome to join us. 621 01:00:05,451 --> 01:00:07,701 We won't come to you, you come to us. 622 01:00:09,315 --> 01:00:14,315 And those of you who oppose the reforms 623 01:00:14,576 --> 01:00:17,576 and reject the ideas of Sąjūdis 624 01:00:18,033 --> 01:00:21,784 can stay where you are." 625 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,992 And only a minority stayed put, 626 01:00:26,576 --> 01:00:30,284 because even in the ranks of the official communist party 627 01:00:30,325 --> 01:00:34,534 people were beginning to realise that they ran the risk 628 01:00:34,826 --> 01:00:38,367 of being left high and dry. 629 01:00:38,409 --> 01:00:41,992 They still hoped to achieve something, and they did have some success, 630 01:00:43,063 --> 01:00:47,089 even when they announced their separation 631 01:00:47,651 --> 01:00:49,526 from the USSR Communist party, 632 01:00:49,701 --> 01:00:52,701 and formed the independent Communist party of Lithuania. 633 01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:59,934 By the way, amongst all local organisations affiliated to Moscow, 634 01:01:03,949 --> 01:01:06,859 they were the last ones to split. 635 01:01:07,492 --> 01:01:10,367 The Composers' Union was the first one to break away. 636 01:01:11,451 --> 01:01:16,033 They declared their independence 637 01:01:16,117 --> 01:01:19,820 and then proposed friendly cooperation 638 01:01:20,062 --> 01:01:23,858 with the Union of Soviet Composers. 639 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,810 Left! Left! One! Two! Three! 640 01:01:34,617 --> 01:01:37,992 Left! Left! One! Two! Three! 641 01:02:15,781 --> 01:02:17,204 Give them a clap! 642 01:02:26,659 --> 01:02:28,534 Let's go to where the coat of arms is! 643 01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:33,284 We don't want to hear anything else, and that's that. 644 01:02:35,346 --> 01:02:37,112 Keep insisting, they'll have to let us in. 645 01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:52,159 Excuse me, can I go through? 646 01:02:52,992 --> 01:02:53,992 Hold it, men. 647 01:02:54,075 --> 01:02:55,659 - We have here... - I understand. 648 01:02:55,733 --> 01:02:57,706 No, now we... Hold it, these are the wrong people... 649 01:02:57,757 --> 01:02:59,826 Listen, if you want that kind of show... 650 01:02:59,909 --> 01:03:01,676 We just want to give back [our medals]. 651 01:03:01,826 --> 01:03:02,991 - That's all? - Yes. 652 01:03:02,992 --> 01:03:04,949 I don’t understand. He’s a good worker. 653 01:03:06,409 --> 01:03:07,492 Wait. 654 01:03:09,242 --> 01:03:10,784 Please, don't go near the windows. 655 01:03:11,033 --> 01:03:12,325 Right here... 656 01:03:13,784 --> 01:03:14,784 Come closer. 657 01:03:15,325 --> 01:03:16,659 One by one, please. 658 01:03:34,075 --> 01:03:36,075 We renounce all our awards and benefits. 659 01:03:36,576 --> 01:03:38,325 We're leaving this Gulag with benefits... 660 01:03:44,325 --> 01:03:46,868 Just show me… 661 01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:48,159 They're filming! 662 01:03:55,325 --> 01:03:57,200 Can you explain why you're getting rid of them? 663 01:03:59,242 --> 01:04:00,451 You don't need them? 664 01:04:01,451 --> 01:04:03,159 Nor you? 665 01:04:06,193 --> 01:04:09,902 - Why did you get these medals? - We don’t need them. 666 01:04:10,335 --> 01:04:12,890 People are saying that you fought to defend the Afghan people. 667 01:04:12,915 --> 01:04:15,107 - Why are you giving them back? - Nobody defended them. 668 01:04:15,617 --> 01:04:17,507 Let's move back. 669 01:04:18,242 --> 01:04:20,015 Move to the other side. 670 01:04:22,242 --> 01:04:24,538 Hey, listen... You are so... 671 01:04:31,492 --> 01:04:34,242 Lets’ sing our national anthem for these brave sons of Lithuania, 672 01:04:34,484 --> 01:04:37,539 and the Lithuanian Republic, 673 01:04:37,820 --> 01:04:40,338 the anthem which is sacred to our nation! 674 01:04:44,909 --> 01:04:47,492 The anthem of Lithuania! 675 01:04:48,033 --> 01:04:50,033 I've lost my voice, somebody, please start! 676 01:04:50,617 --> 01:04:55,159 Lithuania, our dear homeland. 677 01:04:55,949 --> 01:05:00,909 Land of noble heroes! 678 01:05:01,242 --> 01:05:06,242 May your sons draw strength. 679 01:05:06,868 --> 01:05:08,950 From the past... 680 01:05:21,909 --> 01:05:25,576 Comrade Yakovlev has the floor. 681 01:05:28,033 --> 01:05:29,617 Comrade deputies... 682 01:05:35,451 --> 01:05:36,659 Attention, please! 683 01:05:39,075 --> 01:05:40,576 May I have the deputies' attention, 684 01:05:40,659 --> 01:05:43,534 these issues are already being resolved. 685 01:05:45,576 --> 01:05:46,576 Thank you. 686 01:05:46,949 --> 01:05:48,549 Please carry on, Alexander Nikolayevich. 687 01:05:49,325 --> 01:05:52,142 I’ll begin with historical background. 688 01:05:52,451 --> 01:05:57,451 The Non-Aggression Pact between Germany and USSR 689 01:05:58,367 --> 01:06:03,242 was signed on August 23, 1939, and ratified on August 31 690 01:06:03,492 --> 01:06:06,242 by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. 691 01:06:07,159 --> 01:06:09,992 It was published on August 24, 692 01:06:10,325 --> 01:06:15,325 and ratified by the signatories on September 24. 693 01:06:16,868 --> 01:06:21,284 The existence of the secret protocol 694 01:06:21,409 --> 01:06:25,492 was mentioned for the first time at the Nuremburg trial in 1946. 695 01:06:26,325 --> 01:06:28,576 The purpose of the secret protocol 696 01:06:28,909 --> 01:06:31,826 was to divide the spheres of influence 697 01:06:31,909 --> 01:06:34,617 in the neighbouring sovereign countries between Stalin and Hitler. 698 01:06:34,992 --> 01:06:39,033 Even today there are a number of theories about how events in Europe 699 01:06:39,617 --> 01:06:43,617 would have unfolded without the pact and the protocol. 700 01:06:44,576 --> 01:06:46,992 For all his imperial ambitions, 701 01:06:47,033 --> 01:06:49,950 Stalin couldn't fail to realise how dangerous and immoral 702 01:06:49,992 --> 01:06:51,909 his secret deal with Hitler was. 703 01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:57,214 Even after the war, Stalin and Molotov covered up all traces of the protocol. 704 01:06:57,457 --> 01:07:00,409 The original document has never been found in our archives. 705 01:07:01,451 --> 01:07:06,170 Although the commission was unanimous in its judgement of the protocol 706 01:07:06,576 --> 01:07:09,659 there were various opinions about the pact itself. 707 01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:13,950 Some thought that, given the situation, 708 01:07:14,075 --> 01:07:16,159 the pact could be politically justified. 709 01:07:16,367 --> 01:07:19,242 The policy of Germany and Japan, the stance of Western democracies, 710 01:07:19,284 --> 01:07:21,826 had left the USSR with no choice. 711 01:07:22,033 --> 01:07:26,806 The USSR leadership had to adopt measures to ensure the security of the country, 712 01:07:27,033 --> 01:07:28,950 at least to delay the start of the war, 713 01:07:28,992 --> 01:07:33,284 and to use this extra time to strengthen the economy and defence. 714 01:07:34,033 --> 01:07:38,576 Others believed Stalin signed the non-aggression pact 715 01:07:38,617 --> 01:07:40,075 for completely different reasons - 716 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,910 his interest was not the pact itself 717 01:07:42,981 --> 01:07:45,909 but precisely the secret protocol, 718 01:07:46,242 --> 01:07:49,325 which would give him the opportunity to invade the Baltic states, 719 01:07:49,659 --> 01:07:52,784 Poland and Bessarabia, and perhaps even Finland. 720 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,509 In a word, he was driven to sign the pact by his aspiration to re-create the Empire, 721 01:07:56,534 --> 01:07:58,776 a desire which was alien to the principles of socialism. 722 01:07:58,909 --> 01:08:01,539 But this is beyond the scope of the pact 723 01:08:01,581 --> 01:08:03,805 as an international legal document. 724 01:08:04,701 --> 01:08:07,992 In relation to the protocol, the commission 725 01:08:08,492 --> 01:08:09,701 has concluded as follows: 726 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,348 1. A secret protocol, 727 01:08:14,388 --> 01:08:17,769 dated 23 August 1939, did exist, 728 01:08:18,075 --> 01:08:20,617 but no original document has come to light in either Soviet 729 01:08:20,659 --> 01:08:22,033 or foreign archives. 730 01:08:22,451 --> 01:08:27,117 The copies at the disposal of the USSR and the German Federal Republic 731 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,576 are considered authentic according to scholarly research. 732 01:08:31,117 --> 01:08:34,367 The wartime events that ensued, conformed to the plan in the protocol. 733 01:08:35,784 --> 01:08:39,284 2. The protocol was initially drafted by the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs 734 01:08:39,325 --> 01:08:43,075 and approved by Stalin and Molotov, who introduced minor amendments to it. 735 01:08:43,617 --> 01:08:46,949 Soviet negotiators acted dishonourably, 736 01:08:47,117 --> 01:08:48,950 abandoning their original intention 737 01:08:48,992 --> 01:08:52,159 to secure double guarantees for the independence of the Baltic states. 738 01:08:52,577 --> 01:08:58,226 They failed to insist on a clause committing Germany to restrain Japan, 739 01:08:58,576 --> 01:09:02,284 merely accepting a verbal promise from Ribbentrop about this matter. 740 01:09:02,784 --> 01:09:07,159 3. Political and government institutions of the Soviet Union 741 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,325 were not informed about the drafting of the protocol. 742 01:09:10,868 --> 01:09:14,784 Molotov wasn't legally entitled to sign the protocol. 743 01:09:15,325 --> 01:09:18,992 The protocol was excluded from the ratification procedure 744 01:09:19,117 --> 01:09:23,409 and wasn't ratified by the Soviet legislative and executive bodies. 745 01:09:24,949 --> 01:09:29,242 4. The protocol was adopted against the laws of the USSR 746 01:09:29,325 --> 01:09:33,075 and in breach of its obligations towards other countries, 747 01:09:33,325 --> 01:09:37,784 so from the judicial point of view was illegal. 748 01:09:38,234 --> 01:09:43,148 It was a deal on the aggressive intentions of the signatories. 749 01:09:44,075 --> 01:09:45,117 And finally, point 5: 750 01:09:45,165 --> 01:09:47,319 The method of drafting the protocol, 751 01:09:47,344 --> 01:09:49,975 and the terms and categories used, 752 01:09:50,004 --> 01:09:52,838 such as "territorial and political restructuring" 753 01:09:53,075 --> 01:09:57,784 were in breach of the Leninist principles of Soviet foreign policy. 754 01:09:58,117 --> 01:10:01,200 Perhaps that was the first time that the complexity of pre-war events 755 01:10:01,242 --> 01:10:04,242 was discussed in such stark terms, 756 01:10:04,534 --> 01:10:08,075 but there comes a time to confront even the most bitter truth. 757 01:10:09,284 --> 01:10:14,284 And thus Stalin was seen 758 01:10:15,491 --> 01:10:17,932 аs the villain of the piece 759 01:10:18,284 --> 01:10:22,701 while the Soviet regime, apparently, was only partially involved - 760 01:10:23,242 --> 01:10:26,576 the country had no idea what Stalin was up to. 761 01:10:27,539 --> 01:10:30,037 Perhaps it was Yakovlev's idea 762 01:10:32,998 --> 01:10:35,251 to manipulate the narrative, 763 01:10:36,582 --> 01:10:41,582 so that it was not the whole Soviet Union that was to blame, 764 01:10:42,451 --> 01:10:46,242 but the leadership, Stalin's leadership. 765 01:10:48,409 --> 01:10:53,409 Nevertheless, even the hardcore authoritarians 766 01:10:53,617 --> 01:10:57,336 understood that "the Baltic republics are going to leave", 767 01:10:58,950 --> 01:11:01,325 so they couldn't vote for this resolution. 768 01:11:01,576 --> 01:11:04,868 I asked the chairman of the commission 769 01:11:05,242 --> 01:11:09,242 about the secret protocols. 770 01:11:09,284 --> 01:11:12,342 But, unfortunately, I got no answer, and in fact what answer could I get, 771 01:11:12,587 --> 01:11:17,587 given that page 1 of the draft resolution 772 01:11:17,636 --> 01:11:19,480 stated that the original protocol 773 01:11:19,505 --> 01:11:22,242 had never been found, either in Soviet or foreign archives. 774 01:11:22,617 --> 01:11:24,026 Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, 775 01:11:24,097 --> 01:11:28,334 to state that the Congress of Deputies condemns the signing 776 01:11:28,585 --> 01:11:30,826 of the protocol of August 23 777 01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:34,492 i.e. the signing of a non-existent paper, would have no authority. 778 01:11:34,617 --> 01:11:38,033 Are you really going to allow yourselves to be misled and manipulated, 779 01:11:38,117 --> 01:11:42,242 after the commission carried out such a lengthy, painstaking, 780 01:11:42,409 --> 01:11:44,492 honest and unbiased investigation? 781 01:11:44,659 --> 01:11:49,659 Are you still the only people who doubt the fact 782 01:11:50,135 --> 01:11:53,868 that the protocol existed, that it was an act of conspiracy? 783 01:11:54,242 --> 01:11:56,659 Do you still doubt that their armies invaded these countries 784 01:11:56,701 --> 01:11:59,033 on the exact days and times specified in the protocol? 785 01:11:59,242 --> 01:12:01,950 Do you think it was just a coincidence? 786 01:12:01,992 --> 01:12:03,992 I lived through these events. 787 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,868 I have checked the facts and am convinced 788 01:12:07,075 --> 01:12:09,522 that events unfolded minute by minute 789 01:12:09,529 --> 01:12:12,410 in accordance with the protocol! 790 01:12:12,534 --> 01:12:16,409 So your doubts cannot be justified. 791 01:12:16,617 --> 01:12:21,576 I call upon you to vote for our resolution in its entirety! 792 01:12:21,701 --> 01:12:26,701 Let’s wash away the stain of shame and tell the truth to our people. 793 01:12:26,868 --> 01:12:27,868 Thank you. 794 01:12:29,451 --> 01:12:32,009 The voting has started and we shall take another vote later. 795 01:12:46,659 --> 01:12:50,409 The resolution has not been carried, it didn't get 50% of the vote. 796 01:12:55,659 --> 01:12:57,949 We all agreed on the procedure. 797 01:13:02,826 --> 01:13:04,950 What’s the way out of this impasse? 798 01:13:04,992 --> 01:13:09,784 Comrades, it seems to me we should sleep on it. 799 01:13:10,534 --> 01:13:12,950 As we Russians say, morning is wiser than evening. 800 01:13:13,033 --> 01:13:15,284 Let's give the commission more time 801 01:13:15,409 --> 01:13:17,451 and listen to it again tomorrow morning. 802 01:13:19,075 --> 01:13:20,909 They were happy, 803 01:13:22,826 --> 01:13:25,242 and we found it very amusing. 804 01:13:26,451 --> 01:13:29,295 Gorbachev and Lukyanov looked at us 805 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,776 from their podium with astonishment. 806 01:13:33,117 --> 01:13:34,492 Why were we laughing? 807 01:13:34,909 --> 01:13:37,659 Why weren’t we crying - we had lost, 808 01:13:38,242 --> 01:13:42,868 we had failed to achieve the goal we had fought so long and so hard for - 809 01:13:43,826 --> 01:13:45,159 but instead we were laughing! 810 01:13:46,284 --> 01:13:50,868 We were laughing because we saw how ridiculous they looked, 811 01:13:52,033 --> 01:13:55,409 now the whole issue had been made public. 812 01:13:55,576 --> 01:13:57,889 We had even distributed 813 01:13:58,638 --> 01:14:02,334 facsimiles of the protocol 814 01:14:02,576 --> 01:14:04,659 among all the People's Deputies. 815 01:14:05,492 --> 01:14:07,617 They were all staying at the "Moscow" hotel, 816 01:14:08,325 --> 01:14:11,367 including, the Lithuanian, and I think the Latvian and Estonian delegates. 817 01:14:11,451 --> 01:14:16,451 We printed a large number of sets of these documents 818 01:14:16,992 --> 01:14:19,325 bearing the signatures of Molotov and Ribbentrop, 819 01:14:19,534 --> 01:14:22,325 and handed them out 820 01:14:23,451 --> 01:14:26,075 so people would know what was being discussed. 821 01:14:27,659 --> 01:14:30,117 So to claim 822 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:33,534 that there were no signatures, that these documents didn't exist, 823 01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:38,576 simply because nobody in Moscow had found them yet... that was absurd. 824 01:14:40,242 --> 01:14:45,242 And then something happened that was 825 01:14:45,474 --> 01:14:47,534 straight out of Grimms' Fairy Tales: 826 01:14:49,242 --> 01:14:53,992 the powers-that-be are happy, 827 01:14:54,617 --> 01:14:57,117 we are laughing at the whole situation 828 01:14:57,451 --> 01:15:00,075 and Gorbachev feels uncomfortable. 829 01:15:01,242 --> 01:15:03,534 He turns to Yakovlev 830 01:15:04,367 --> 01:15:09,367 and suggests that the commission "does a bit more work on the document, 831 01:15:09,914 --> 01:15:11,385 to improve it". 832 01:15:12,075 --> 01:15:14,573 He wanted to delay the process. 833 01:15:14,852 --> 01:15:19,852 He didn't want it to be seen that the majority of conservative 834 01:15:20,427 --> 01:15:25,088 and Bolshevik deputies in the Congress 835 01:15:26,075 --> 01:15:28,696 had rejected a resolution that Gorbachev, 836 01:15:28,892 --> 01:15:32,460 the reformer-in-chief himself, 837 01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:34,884 had allowed to be put to the vote. 838 01:15:34,909 --> 01:15:38,949 It was as if they rejected Gorbachev. 839 01:15:39,784 --> 01:15:42,534 Gorbachev realised all this 840 01:15:42,909 --> 01:15:47,784 and proposed to continue the work so that it became an open-ended process. 841 01:15:48,325 --> 01:15:50,492 Yakovlev behaved honourably and refused. 842 01:15:52,534 --> 01:15:55,242 Maybe his reply isn’t in the transcripts - 843 01:15:55,325 --> 01:15:59,200 I've checked, and things are missing. 844 01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:05,159 Yakovlev definitely did say: "No, I've fulfilled my task. 845 01:16:06,033 --> 01:16:11,033 We presented the draft resolution 846 01:16:12,617 --> 01:16:17,617 and I don't see any reason to rework it. 847 01:16:18,534 --> 01:16:21,284 We’ve done our task 848 01:16:21,701 --> 01:16:25,075 and I won't work on it any more." 849 01:16:28,033 --> 01:16:31,659 So then we needed some sort of... 850 01:16:36,617 --> 01:16:38,284 ...miracle 851 01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:40,950 ...and a miracle occurred - 852 01:16:42,242 --> 01:16:47,242 an old man came up to the speakers' stand. 853 01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:51,868 Where had he sprung from? He wasn't a deputy. 854 01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:54,409 Who let him in? 855 01:16:55,409 --> 01:16:58,950 Perhaps they had kept him backstage, just in case of an emergency. 856 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,576 And it just so happened that there was an emergency. 857 01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:06,868 I remember vividly seeing him come up to the microphone 858 01:17:08,117 --> 01:17:10,659 although it seemed to me that he went up to the podium, 859 01:17:10,701 --> 01:17:13,949 but my colleague Sličytė says, 860 01:17:14,460 --> 01:17:20,976 "No, he was in the auditorium, among the deputies, close to the podium". 861 01:17:21,452 --> 01:17:24,200 Anyway, he somehow managed to get hold of the microphone, 862 01:17:24,868 --> 01:17:27,909 and said "I know something about this matter. 863 01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:32,367 I'm an archivist" - or maybe he said "I was an archivist"... 864 01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:37,689 "I know the whereabouts of the document 865 01:17:38,210 --> 01:17:41,110 about the transfer of these protocols 866 01:17:41,659 --> 01:17:44,576 to Molotov's secret archive. 867 01:17:45,868 --> 01:17:50,576 I remember these documents and their transfer, 868 01:17:51,018 --> 01:17:57,276 and I know that there is a certificate recording the transfer of the documents. 869 01:17:58,242 --> 01:18:00,325 That's where you need to look", he said, 870 01:18:01,617 --> 01:18:04,492 as if it was news to Gorbachev and co. 871 01:18:05,826 --> 01:18:09,075 They stubbornly insisted that the originals no longer existed, 872 01:18:09,242 --> 01:18:11,242 but the old man said that they did. 873 01:18:11,367 --> 01:18:12,950 So they went and found them. 874 01:18:27,033 --> 01:18:30,576 As soon as someone succeeds in dividing us, there will be trouble. 875 01:18:31,617 --> 01:18:33,659 You have your autonomy... 876 01:18:33,784 --> 01:18:37,170 at work, in your city, in your republic, 877 01:18:37,376 --> 01:18:39,967 however, comrades, we must stick together. 878 01:18:51,038 --> 01:18:52,727 We won't surrender! 879 01:18:58,451 --> 01:19:01,576 We have so many problems. How do we solve them all? 880 01:19:01,868 --> 01:19:05,617 Some people say: "Let's end it all, tear it all apart, let's be on our own!" 881 01:19:06,075 --> 01:19:07,442 No good will come of that idea. 882 01:19:07,492 --> 01:19:10,909 That, dear comrades, will lead you into a historical cul-de-sac. 883 01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:11,950 We don't think so. 884 01:19:12,659 --> 01:19:14,950 That's why I want to hear from you. 885 01:19:15,242 --> 01:19:19,325 If you get full autonomy right away and start trading at market prices... 886 01:19:19,949 --> 01:19:22,117 you‘ll fall flat on your faces! 887 01:19:22,325 --> 01:19:25,033 - That's why you shouldn't... - We're not afraid. 888 01:19:25,803 --> 01:19:29,047 You have to be aware of the grave state 889 01:19:29,061 --> 01:19:31,177 our Federation finds itself in today, 890 01:19:31,534 --> 01:19:32,949 as well as the entire Union. 891 01:19:33,075 --> 01:19:35,784 So we can’t ignore the problems that have built up over a long time. 892 01:19:35,950 --> 01:19:38,492 We need perestroika to solve all these issues. 893 01:19:38,868 --> 01:19:40,242 Perestroika has laid them bare. 894 01:19:40,285 --> 01:19:43,302 Could you have raised these questions anytime in the past? 895 01:19:43,367 --> 01:19:44,784 No, never. 896 01:19:44,909 --> 01:19:48,117 What’s more, if you did dare ask anything, you knew what would become of you. 897 01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,909 Moscow doesn't want perestroika. 898 01:19:50,949 --> 01:19:54,451 We must move out from the communal flat and live in separate cottages. 899 01:19:54,742 --> 01:19:57,784 That's why we need a completely different Federation. 900 01:19:57,949 --> 01:20:01,527 We can’t lose faith now, we mustn’t doubt 901 01:20:01,597 --> 01:20:04,448 that we can come to an agreement. 902 01:20:04,467 --> 01:20:06,133 We mustn't abandon our Union. 903 01:20:06,242 --> 01:20:08,451 Where would you run to? Why would you run? 904 01:20:08,868 --> 01:20:11,492 That's what you should think about, so do give it some thought. 905 01:20:12,117 --> 01:20:13,117 All the best. 906 01:20:15,916 --> 01:20:18,524 Welcome to the leader of the friendly neighbouring state! 907 01:20:21,534 --> 01:20:23,200 Freedom and independence for Lithuania! 908 01:20:40,909 --> 01:20:43,659 We don't need more rights, we need full independence! 909 01:20:45,492 --> 01:20:48,868 We don't need more rights, we need full independence. 910 01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:49,992 From whom? 911 01:20:50,075 --> 01:20:52,617 - Who instructed you to do this? - I wrote it myself. 912 01:20:52,659 --> 01:20:53,909 - You personally? - Yes, me personally. 913 01:20:53,950 --> 01:20:55,950 - Where do you work? - Here, at the factory. 914 01:20:55,992 --> 01:20:57,949 - What's your job? - I'm a metal worker. 915 01:20:58,033 --> 01:20:59,033 A metal worker? 916 01:20:59,075 --> 01:21:01,826 - And you can write so well? - What do you think? 917 01:21:02,909 --> 01:21:06,617 Do you think we Lithuanians can't write in Russian? 918 01:21:07,868 --> 01:21:11,367 We can write and read and speak Russian! 919 01:21:11,451 --> 01:21:15,117 Unlike the local Russians who can't even utter a single word in our language! 920 01:21:15,179 --> 01:21:17,067 I understand Lithuanian! 921 01:21:17,145 --> 01:21:18,506 I'm Russian. 922 01:21:21,336 --> 01:21:22,430 [...] unity! 923 01:21:22,742 --> 01:21:24,949 What's the difference? You're Lithuanian, I'm Russian? 924 01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,492 What’s your vision of your independence? 925 01:21:27,576 --> 01:21:30,826 I was born in an independent Lithuania and my vision is to die in a free land. 926 01:21:31,992 --> 01:21:35,825 Fine, but how you see this independence? 927 01:21:35,826 --> 01:21:38,659 I imagine that, just like Lenin said, 928 01:21:38,784 --> 01:21:41,325 no one nation should dictate to another 929 01:21:41,367 --> 01:21:42,992 and then we shall have our independence. 930 01:21:49,217 --> 01:21:50,721 Gorbachev! 931 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,299 Gorbachev! 932 01:21:57,076 --> 01:21:59,241 If the working class, the farmers, the intellectuals, 933 01:21:59,266 --> 01:22:01,985 preserve, improve and develop 934 01:22:02,096 --> 01:22:04,250 their economy, their lives, their cities and so on, 935 01:22:04,733 --> 01:22:06,733 there’s no problem - the dust will settle, 936 01:22:07,157 --> 01:22:09,532 and all these opportunist types will break their necks. 937 01:22:10,456 --> 01:22:12,693 If everything turns out just as I say 938 01:22:12,875 --> 01:22:14,350 we shall overcome all obstacles. 939 01:22:15,299 --> 01:22:16,634 We shall overcome all obstacles. 940 01:22:16,745 --> 01:22:19,579 Remember what I say and spread the word. 941 01:22:20,675 --> 01:22:22,259 Give him our support! 942 01:22:22,750 --> 01:22:25,417 Why have you come to scare us instead of trying to understand? 943 01:22:27,488 --> 01:22:30,571 Independence for Lithuania we need your understanding and respect. 944 01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:32,921 We are for an independent Lithuanian CP. 945 01:22:33,385 --> 01:22:37,843 A farmer without land - a village without a future! 946 01:22:38,134 --> 01:22:39,759 Our aim - independent Lithuania! 947 01:22:39,801 --> 01:22:42,092 Ok, I’ve read all your slogans. You can relax! 948 01:22:43,213 --> 01:22:46,046 He says your arms will get tired if you keep holding them up… 949 01:22:46,128 --> 01:22:49,504 I’ve read them, now come down here, and we can have a discussion. 950 01:22:50,259 --> 01:22:53,467 “Freedom...” I've already read that one, thank you. 951 01:22:53,509 --> 01:22:55,425 That's it, you've done your task. 952 01:22:56,842 --> 01:22:59,300 I don’t think Sąjūdis people are lepers, 953 01:22:59,467 --> 01:23:04,300 but there are some destructive elements within the organisation. 954 01:23:04,467 --> 01:23:08,384 But in principle, this movement is engaging with 955 01:23:08,467 --> 01:23:10,884 wide social circles in Lithuania. 956 01:23:11,009 --> 01:23:14,300 Representatives of other nationalities are also involved. 957 01:23:14,342 --> 01:23:16,592 I'm realistic, I’m fine with that, 958 01:23:17,217 --> 01:23:22,217 as long as Sąjūdis seeks a way forward, 959 01:23:23,533 --> 01:23:26,200 tries to improve perestroika and make it more dynamic, 960 01:23:26,259 --> 01:23:30,968 to enhance life within the nation and the relationship between the nations. 961 01:23:31,009 --> 01:23:34,759 But, if Sąjūdis tries to stir people up, to ignite violence, 962 01:23:34,834 --> 01:23:37,208 it will get what it deserves from me. 963 01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:38,425 We will not allow it. 964 01:23:39,519 --> 01:23:41,049 - Thank you. - Good bye. 965 01:23:49,926 --> 01:23:52,009 Mikhail Gorbachev has the floor. 966 01:24:00,217 --> 01:24:03,467 I hope this is not the last applause I receive here. 967 01:24:12,205 --> 01:24:14,581 Freedom! 968 01:24:24,162 --> 01:24:25,662 Occupation is Lithuania’s tragedy. 969 01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:34,634 Mikhail Sergeyevich, give us back what Stalin stole - 970 01:24:35,926 --> 01:24:37,717 our Lithuanian statehood! 971 01:24:37,842 --> 01:24:40,467 Your comrades are roaming round Lithuania 972 01:24:40,509 --> 01:24:43,551 to advocate for the Russian empire. 973 01:24:43,759 --> 01:24:45,384 We don't need the empire! 974 01:24:45,551 --> 01:24:50,384 We don't need a prison of nations dressed up in pretty colours! 975 01:24:51,049 --> 01:24:53,259 Freedom for Lithuania! 976 01:24:53,842 --> 01:24:57,634 Russia has on its conscience many crimes committed against Lithuania. 977 01:24:58,092 --> 01:25:02,175 However, Lithuanians don't want to live in permanent hostility with Russia. 978 01:25:02,425 --> 01:25:06,132 If the former foes in western Europe could make peace with each other, 979 01:25:06,133 --> 01:25:11,133 then peace between Lithuania and Russia mainly rests on you, Mikhail Sergeyevich. 980 01:25:11,592 --> 01:25:13,968 It's in Russia's best interests 981 01:25:14,050 --> 01:25:17,425 to make radical changes to the foreign policy developed by Stalin, 982 01:25:17,467 --> 01:25:19,467 in particular, the policy towards Lithuania. 983 01:25:20,217 --> 01:25:24,384 Even when Gorbachev came in January of that same year [1990] 984 01:25:26,842 --> 01:25:30,319 we gave him a friendly reception. 985 01:25:30,382 --> 01:25:35,215 I'm not talking about his meeting with party members, 986 01:25:36,425 --> 01:25:39,038 but Sąjūdis was ready to greet him. 987 01:25:41,265 --> 01:25:43,437 We called a massive rally, 988 01:25:43,509 --> 01:25:46,092 Cathedral Square was overflowing with people 989 01:25:46,217 --> 01:25:48,217 who’d come to meet Gorbachev. 990 01:25:48,717 --> 01:25:52,847 Gorbachev came as a VIP, 991 01:25:52,939 --> 01:25:55,003 a positive character, 992 01:25:55,300 --> 01:25:58,050 the leader of the neighbouring country. 993 01:26:00,050 --> 01:26:01,384 However, he was deeply offended. 994 01:26:02,926 --> 01:26:06,717 But we made our attitude clear: 995 01:26:08,049 --> 01:26:11,359 he's a revered, 996 01:26:11,554 --> 01:26:14,783 respected reformer etc. 997 01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:18,092 He is the head of another state. 998 01:26:19,009 --> 01:26:21,842 He called it all "professors' scheming". 999 01:26:22,563 --> 01:26:24,572 We should stop this scheming... 1000 01:26:24,676 --> 01:26:28,133 Yes, that we were impudent and so on... 1001 01:26:28,842 --> 01:26:33,217 Of course, we were anticipating events 1002 01:26:34,425 --> 01:26:38,133 but after March 11 independence was enshrined in law. 1003 01:26:46,525 --> 01:26:47,762 Sąjūdis! 1004 01:26:53,814 --> 01:26:55,140 Freedom for Lithuania! 1005 01:26:55,956 --> 01:26:57,366 Hurrah! 1006 01:26:57,603 --> 01:26:58,803 Don't betray, lads! 1007 01:27:03,273 --> 01:27:04,300 Don’t betray! 1008 01:27:04,551 --> 01:27:06,133 Don't betray! 1009 01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:42,462 Congratulations! Independence today! 1010 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,363 Deputies, please take your seats. 1011 01:28:10,592 --> 01:28:15,592 Firstly, we need to check if we have a quorum. 1012 01:28:17,842 --> 01:28:19,175 Please count. 1013 01:28:30,968 --> 01:28:33,049 There are 129 deputies. 1014 01:28:35,009 --> 01:28:37,676 Another one's just arrived. We have 130. 1015 01:28:38,509 --> 01:28:41,049 130 deputies. 1016 01:28:42,884 --> 01:28:46,217 We have a quorum. We can start. 1017 01:28:48,425 --> 01:28:51,509 Dear deputies, the next item on the agenda 1018 01:28:51,717 --> 01:28:56,717 is to propose candidates for the post of Chairman of the Supreme Council. 1019 01:28:59,259 --> 01:29:01,342 We're waiting for proposals. 1020 01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:07,884 Please. 1021 01:29:07,926 --> 01:29:10,342 I would like to nominate R. Ozolas 1022 01:29:10,605 --> 01:29:13,480 for this highly responsible post. 1023 01:29:13,884 --> 01:29:16,217 I think the fact that he's a philosopher 1024 01:29:16,259 --> 01:29:19,259 would be a positive benefit, 1025 01:29:19,300 --> 01:29:22,092 helping him take a democratic approach 1026 01:29:22,137 --> 01:29:25,176 towards all the people of Lithuania and all political parties. 1027 01:29:25,509 --> 01:29:28,634 I suggest nominations should be made from the podium. 1028 01:29:28,717 --> 01:29:31,217 This is a serious matter and... 1029 01:29:38,425 --> 01:29:39,842 Honourable Chairman, 1030 01:29:41,021 --> 01:29:42,271 dear Deputies. 1031 01:29:43,551 --> 01:29:47,801 I propose the Chairman 1032 01:29:50,884 --> 01:29:52,884 of the Seimas Council of Sąjūdis, 1033 01:29:52,926 --> 01:29:56,467 V. Landsbergis. 1034 01:29:56,634 --> 01:30:00,884 I’ll present the reasons for my candidacy later. 1035 01:30:06,491 --> 01:30:09,592 Leaving questions of party loyalty and ambition aside, 1036 01:30:09,634 --> 01:30:11,592 but using a bit of peasant wisdom, 1037 01:30:11,717 --> 01:30:14,884 and taking into account our present and future situation, 1038 01:30:15,425 --> 01:30:20,259 I reckon we need a calm, experienced, tolerant farmer with strong nerves, 1039 01:30:20,634 --> 01:30:25,634 who could unite worker bees and queen bees and all other bees. 1040 01:30:27,717 --> 01:30:30,926 Allow me to say that I can see just such a farmer here today, 1041 01:30:31,050 --> 01:30:35,551 in the respected figure of A. Brazauskas. 1042 01:30:35,842 --> 01:30:40,842 Moreover, we can't ignore the 100 000 spontaneous signatures 1043 01:30:41,968 --> 01:30:45,092 that were collected in support of his candidacy. 1044 01:30:45,175 --> 01:30:46,551 Thank you for your attention. 1045 01:30:48,884 --> 01:30:52,509 If I remember correctly, we also need the agreement. 1046 01:30:53,592 --> 01:30:56,050 Please, honourable Mr Brazauskas. 1047 01:30:56,611 --> 01:30:59,131 Yes, I agree. Do I need to speak now? 1048 01:30:59,306 --> 01:31:01,161 No, later on. 1049 01:31:05,049 --> 01:31:07,973 Now, honourable Mr Landsbergis, please stand up. 1050 01:31:07,998 --> 01:31:10,123 I am willing to run for election. 1051 01:31:16,551 --> 01:31:18,175 Quiet please. 1052 01:31:19,634 --> 01:31:22,259 Now, honourable Mr Ozolas. 1053 01:31:22,926 --> 01:31:24,801 There should be only one round of voting, 1054 01:31:25,676 --> 01:31:28,425 so I withdraw my candidacy, thank you. 1055 01:31:29,166 --> 01:31:33,133 Two candidates for the post of Chairman of the Supreme Council. 1056 01:31:35,133 --> 01:31:37,926 The ballot will be secret. 1057 01:32:39,551 --> 01:32:40,634 Lithuania! 1058 01:32:41,133 --> 01:32:42,551 Lithuania! 1059 01:32:56,801 --> 01:32:59,049 Don't let Brazauskas humiliate Lithuania! 1060 01:32:59,968 --> 01:33:03,801 According to para 2.1 of the regulations 1061 01:33:04,342 --> 01:33:09,009 of the Supreme Council of the Lithuanian SSR, 1062 01:33:09,362 --> 01:33:15,651 V. Landsbergis is elected as the Chairman of the Supreme Council of Lithuanian SSR. 1063 01:33:19,584 --> 01:33:23,251 Congratulations to the honourable V. Landsbergis. 1064 01:33:25,525 --> 01:33:28,899 Please come and take your seat. 1065 01:34:10,133 --> 01:34:14,259 Frankly, I don’t quite know how to address you, 1066 01:34:15,425 --> 01:34:19,049 dear deputies, colleagues, peers, 1067 01:34:19,676 --> 01:34:22,050 but you are even more than that - 1068 01:34:22,384 --> 01:34:25,842 it seems that there is much more to say. 1069 01:34:26,968 --> 01:34:31,425 We are in some sense partners, people who share the same destiny. 1070 01:34:32,300 --> 01:34:37,049 The destiny of our country has united us at this very time, 1071 01:34:38,842 --> 01:34:41,551 on this very land. 1072 01:34:44,676 --> 01:34:48,137 You have chosen one among you 1073 01:34:49,418 --> 01:34:52,425 to hold this more prominent position, to take on this more complicated role. 1074 01:34:54,676 --> 01:34:56,884 Someone had to be nominated 1075 01:34:57,842 --> 01:35:00,049 so that we can work as a parliament 1076 01:35:00,092 --> 01:35:03,009 and complete the tasks we were elected to perform. 1077 01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:27,505 Everybody liked him, he fought off everyone. 1078 01:35:27,889 --> 01:35:30,293 People attacked him, but he's very good... 1079 01:35:41,633 --> 01:35:44,131 ...he got Sąjūdis back on track. 1080 01:35:52,801 --> 01:35:57,801 I call upon you to vote in a spirit of unity, 1081 01:35:58,676 --> 01:36:01,259 so that we get a two thirds majority. 1082 01:36:01,342 --> 01:36:03,384 Who is for this law 1083 01:36:03,425 --> 01:36:06,009 concerning the name of our state and its coat of arms? 1084 01:36:22,643 --> 01:36:23,648 Against? 1085 01:36:28,278 --> 01:36:29,444 Abstentions? 1086 01:36:31,918 --> 01:36:32,918 None. 1087 01:36:35,092 --> 01:36:37,842 The count is 133. 1088 01:36:38,425 --> 01:36:42,342 The Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania 1089 01:36:42,441 --> 01:36:46,730 passed this law with 133 votes for, 1090 01:36:47,742 --> 01:36:52,535 no votes against and no abstentions. 1091 01:37:27,712 --> 01:37:31,940 J. Bieliauskienė, former political prisoner 1092 01:37:32,011 --> 01:37:35,168 and social activist, has the floor. 1093 01:37:42,050 --> 01:37:46,968 I call you to embrace unity, forgiveness and the spirit of repentance. 1094 01:37:47,009 --> 01:37:51,092 Without repentance, without accepting one's own guilt, 1095 01:37:51,133 --> 01:37:53,049 there can be no forgiveness. 1096 01:37:53,175 --> 01:37:57,175 First of all, I need forgiveness from my own conscience. 1097 01:37:57,842 --> 01:38:00,509 I want to assure the honourable Chairman, 1098 01:38:00,551 --> 01:38:03,884 the honourable Presidium and the free Parliament 1099 01:38:04,009 --> 01:38:06,801 that there's nothing to fear - we are strong, 1100 01:38:06,968 --> 01:38:11,384 we are surrounded by myriads of our martyrs, 1101 01:38:11,551 --> 01:38:13,717 our heroes, our fighters, 1102 01:38:13,884 --> 01:38:16,634 who have paid for our freedom with their blood. 1103 01:38:16,884 --> 01:38:18,833 For non-believers, they can serve as an example, 1104 01:38:18,953 --> 01:38:21,050 to believers they are a great mystical power, 1105 01:38:21,175 --> 01:38:24,968 they are our comrades-in-arms, they keep vigil on our path to freedom, 1106 01:38:25,050 --> 01:38:27,089 they will help us to remain united, 1107 01:38:27,166 --> 01:38:29,854 to overcome even the greatest hardships. 1108 01:38:30,009 --> 01:38:31,634 Thank you for your attention. 1109 01:38:31,842 --> 01:38:35,300 Let's be united, noble and we will remain free. 1110 01:38:47,890 --> 01:38:50,050 Thank you, Jadvyga Bieliauskienė. 1111 01:38:50,551 --> 01:38:55,509 It seems that Mother Lithuania has just spoken through her lips. 1112 01:38:55,936 --> 01:38:57,167 Lithuania! 1113 01:38:57,709 --> 01:38:59,170 Lithuania! 1114 01:39:55,175 --> 01:39:59,968 The Act of The Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania 1115 01:40:01,133 --> 01:40:04,801 on the restoration of the independent state: 1116 01:40:07,175 --> 01:40:10,009 in accordance with the will of the nation, 1117 01:40:11,300 --> 01:40:13,300 the Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania, 1118 01:40:14,217 --> 01:40:16,842 decrees and solemnly proclaims 1119 01:40:17,525 --> 01:40:22,525 the restoration of the sovereign powers of the Lithuanian state, 1120 01:40:23,175 --> 01:40:28,175 that were taken away by foreign powers in 1940, 1121 01:40:29,049 --> 01:40:33,175 and from henceforth Lithuania is once again an independent state. 1122 01:40:34,926 --> 01:40:36,957 The Independence Act 1123 01:40:36,988 --> 01:40:41,738 passed by the Lithuanian Council on Feb 16, 1918, 1124 01:40:42,759 --> 01:40:47,759 and the resolution on the restoration of the Lithuanian state 1125 01:40:47,917 --> 01:40:52,453 passed by the Constituent Assembly of Lithuania on May 15, 1920 1126 01:40:52,732 --> 01:40:55,357 never lost their legal power 1127 01:40:55,794 --> 01:40:59,627 and are the foundation of the Constitution of the Lithuanian State. 1128 01:41:01,467 --> 01:41:05,384 The territory of the Lithuanian State is integral and undivided. 1129 01:41:05,759 --> 01:41:09,425 Constitutions of other states have no legal power here. 1130 01:41:50,217 --> 01:41:52,717 - Tomaševičius. - Abstained. 1131 01:41:53,050 --> 01:41:55,050 - Tupikas. - For. 1132 01:41:55,342 --> 01:41:57,467 - Ulba. - For. 1133 01:41:58,259 --> 01:42:00,092 - Uoka. - For. 1134 01:42:00,842 --> 01:42:02,968 - Vagnorius. - For. 1135 01:42:03,592 --> 01:42:05,717 - Vaišvila. - For. 1136 01:42:06,467 --> 01:42:08,801 - Vaitiekūnas. - For. 1137 01:42:09,344 --> 01:42:11,427 - Valatka. - For. 1138 01:42:12,034 --> 01:42:14,201 - Valionytė. - For. 1139 01:42:14,768 --> 01:42:17,603 - Varanauskas. - For. 1140 01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:20,633 - Vilkas. - For. 1141 01:42:21,272 --> 01:42:23,397 - Zingeris. - For. 1142 01:42:24,018 --> 01:42:26,102 - Žalys. - For. 1143 01:42:27,092 --> 01:42:29,509 - Žiemelis. - For. 1144 01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:32,358 - Kropas. - For. 1145 01:42:34,425 --> 01:42:39,425 124 deputies have voted for this act. 1146 01:42:40,204 --> 01:42:41,995 No votes against. 1147 01:42:42,634 --> 01:42:44,884 There were six abstentions. 1148 01:42:44,968 --> 01:42:46,467 The act has been passed. 1149 01:42:46,551 --> 01:42:50,092 I salute the Supreme Council, I salute Lithuania. 1150 01:43:16,677 --> 01:43:21,469 Lithuania, our dear homeland. 1151 01:43:22,022 --> 01:43:26,617 Land of worthy heroes! 1152 01:43:27,580 --> 01:43:32,580 May your sons draw strength 1153 01:43:33,509 --> 01:43:38,509 from the past. 1154 01:43:39,801 --> 01:43:44,801 May your children always 1155 01:43:45,579 --> 01:43:50,579 choose the paths of virtue 1156 01:43:51,348 --> 01:43:56,348 may they work for their own good 1157 01:43:57,175 --> 01:44:01,049 and the good of all the people. 1158 01:44:21,466 --> 01:44:23,000 Lithuania! 1159 01:44:53,539 --> 01:44:54,935 Thank you! 1160 01:44:56,265 --> 01:44:58,017 Thank you! 1161 01:45:27,717 --> 01:45:29,307 The day after the vote on independence. 1162 01:45:30,041 --> 01:45:35,135 Brazauskas was flying to Moscow. 1163 01:45:35,968 --> 01:45:38,133 He gave a very significant reply 1164 01:45:40,259 --> 01:45:42,801 to Bill Keller 1165 01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:48,370 from the New York Times, 1166 01:45:50,394 --> 01:45:51,777 who asked him, 1167 01:45:53,133 --> 01:45:56,551 "What's your reaction to yesterday's events?" 1168 01:45:57,426 --> 01:46:01,300 Brazauskas was candid, he said, "Things will end badly, 1169 01:46:03,050 --> 01:46:05,634 we'll get into great difficulties". 1170 01:46:08,717 --> 01:46:13,717 The American was taken aback: “But you voted for it.” 1171 01:46:14,759 --> 01:46:17,968 Brazauskas explained: "We had no choice", 1172 01:46:21,842 --> 01:46:25,676 meaning that they felt morally obliged to vote for it [independence]. 1173 01:46:25,801 --> 01:46:27,551 Nobody was holding a gun to their heads - 1174 01:46:27,801 --> 01:46:30,968 but the prospect of public disapproval 1175 01:46:32,342 --> 01:46:37,342 was so unpleasant, so unappealing, 1176 01:46:37,467 --> 01:46:39,044 that they didn't dare oppose 1177 01:46:39,701 --> 01:46:44,677 the people’s will for independence. 1178 01:46:46,662 --> 01:46:51,162 They proposed various manoeuvres: 1179 01:46:51,509 --> 01:46:56,525 “we too want independence, but later, and not the way you're going about it - 1180 01:46:56,968 --> 01:47:00,551 but differently, not the way you're doing it - 1181 01:47:00,717 --> 01:47:04,133 out of the blue, with no prior notice, and without permission". 1182 01:47:04,801 --> 01:47:08,634 But we knew that neither Gorbachev 1183 01:47:09,009 --> 01:47:12,509 nor Moscow would give prior permission. 1184 01:47:20,384 --> 01:47:23,133 For the Congress of People's Deputies, 1185 01:47:23,926 --> 01:47:28,926 the decisions of the Supreme Council of the Lithuanian SSR 1186 01:47:29,050 --> 01:47:32,425 have no legal authority. 1187 01:47:33,050 --> 01:47:36,676 The USSR Congress of People's Deputies decrees, 1188 01:47:37,592 --> 01:47:42,592 according to article 73 para 11 1189 01:47:43,009 --> 01:47:47,717 and article 108 of the USSR Constitution, 1190 01:47:48,342 --> 01:47:52,509 that the legislative acts of March 12, 1191 01:47:52,968 --> 01:47:56,467 passed by the Supreme Soviet of the Lithuanian SSR 1192 01:47:56,801 --> 01:48:00,342 on the restoration of the independence of the Lithuanian state 1193 01:48:00,467 --> 01:48:05,467 and on the repeal of the USSR Constitution on the territory of the LSSR 1194 01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:07,968 are null and void. 1195 01:48:10,717 --> 01:48:13,551 What does this decree mean? 1196 01:48:13,926 --> 01:48:18,133 Does it mean that we defy 1197 01:48:19,259 --> 01:48:23,842 the will of the people of the Republic, 1198 01:48:24,259 --> 01:48:29,259 who constitutionally elected 1199 01:48:30,009 --> 01:48:33,759 the supreme institution of state authority in the republic? 1200 01:48:34,425 --> 01:48:36,342 What shall we do 1201 01:48:37,009 --> 01:48:40,884 if these people insist on having it their own way? 1202 01:48:42,050 --> 01:48:44,092 What measures do you suggest we take? 1203 01:48:44,801 --> 01:48:47,217 To pass such a decree in the Congress 1204 01:48:47,342 --> 01:48:50,133 without the deputies seeing the documents 1205 01:48:50,300 --> 01:48:52,884 passed by Lithuania’s Supreme Soviet, 1206 01:48:53,049 --> 01:48:56,049 and moreover... no, we haven't received them. 1207 01:48:56,425 --> 01:48:57,425 ...moreover, 1208 01:48:59,537 --> 01:49:02,954 on the first day, according to what I heard, 1209 01:49:03,049 --> 01:49:06,745 the authorities were told to investigate the situation 1210 01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:09,107 and to report their findings - we haven't heard the report. 1211 01:49:09,229 --> 01:49:11,646 To pass such a decree is very risky. 1212 01:49:12,634 --> 01:49:15,425 I wouldn't like it if Kaliningrad region 1213 01:49:15,509 --> 01:49:20,509 was cut off by this new potential source of military confrontation. 1214 01:49:21,050 --> 01:49:23,759 And if force is used, we perfectly understand 1215 01:49:23,884 --> 01:49:27,676 that the nation that has expressed its will won't submit to violence. 1216 01:49:30,376 --> 01:49:34,059 When asking who benefits from 1217 01:49:34,332 --> 01:49:38,762 the separation of Lithuania from the USSR, 1218 01:49:39,092 --> 01:49:41,801 let's be frank and open. 1219 01:49:42,259 --> 01:49:46,342 We should stop trying to appease and pity those who don't pity us. 1220 01:49:47,287 --> 01:49:51,204 In my opinion, it is to the benefit of the political extremists, 1221 01:49:51,717 --> 01:49:54,551 who are pushing forward their agenda, and who have already undermined 1222 01:49:54,634 --> 01:49:57,968 party and state power in the Lithuanian Republic. 1223 01:49:58,509 --> 01:50:00,551 But it’s of no benefit to the Lithuanians. 1224 01:50:01,133 --> 01:50:06,133 It’s a betrayal of the defenders of Soviet Lithuania, both living and dead. 1225 01:50:06,926 --> 01:50:10,342 I take it as a stab in the back of our entire Soviet people, 1226 01:50:10,425 --> 01:50:12,425 it's a stab in the back of perestroika, 1227 01:50:12,592 --> 01:50:17,592 it’s a blow against the economic and political reforms in our country. 1228 01:50:19,592 --> 01:50:23,425 I suggest we postpone the decision. 1229 01:50:24,384 --> 01:50:26,049 Why? Let me explain. 1230 01:50:26,133 --> 01:50:29,049 Firstly, the procedure's wrong. 1231 01:50:30,049 --> 01:50:34,259 Although Lithuanian delegates have observers’ rights, 1232 01:50:34,384 --> 01:50:37,801 they didn't know that this issue would be discussed. 1233 01:50:37,842 --> 01:50:42,842 Most of them aren’t here. 1234 01:50:43,551 --> 01:50:44,717 That's my first point. 1235 01:50:45,050 --> 01:50:46,884 You may disagree with me. 1236 01:50:47,307 --> 01:50:49,282 Secondly, 1237 01:50:50,048 --> 01:50:53,603 I am sure that hasty resolutions 1238 01:50:53,676 --> 01:50:58,509 and hasty actions, perhaps also taken by the Lithuanian side, 1239 01:50:59,217 --> 01:51:02,522 would only block the way towards finding 1240 01:51:02,569 --> 01:51:05,780 a constructive solution in the future. 1241 01:51:08,050 --> 01:51:10,759 In Lithuania, as in Belarus and Russia, 1242 01:51:11,801 --> 01:51:14,551 they drink brine to cure a bad hangover. 1243 01:51:14,968 --> 01:51:17,676 But brine can’t cure political hangovers. 1244 01:51:18,057 --> 01:51:21,308 Allow me to express my indignation 1245 01:51:21,884 --> 01:51:23,342 at the lack of respect 1246 01:51:23,384 --> 01:51:26,384 shown to the 3rd Congress of Peoples' Deputies, 1247 01:51:26,766 --> 01:51:30,500 by Landsbergis, the newly elected chairman 1248 01:51:30,603 --> 01:51:34,189 of the Supreme Council of Lithuania. 1249 01:51:34,274 --> 01:51:37,300 He has failed to show up 1250 01:51:38,049 --> 01:51:42,519 and is unwilling to put his demands 1251 01:51:42,759 --> 01:51:45,497 to the USSR directly. 1252 01:51:53,009 --> 01:51:55,300 In accordance with article 176, 1253 01:51:55,592 --> 01:51:58,259 I'd like to ask the leader of the Lithuanian delegation 1254 01:51:58,384 --> 01:52:01,592 to give an explanation regarding a matter that disturbs me immensely. 1255 01:52:01,884 --> 01:52:05,049 If my memory doesn't fail me - and there’s nothing wrong with my memory - 1256 01:52:05,342 --> 01:52:09,676 it states in the 4th volume of the Great Soviet Encyclopaedia 1257 01:52:09,842 --> 01:52:14,050 that only 5% of the population of Vilnius is Lithuanian. 1258 01:52:14,384 --> 01:52:17,091 The Soviet of Nationalities 1259 01:52:17,092 --> 01:52:20,634 and the Committee of Constitutional control 1260 01:52:20,676 --> 01:52:23,509 must examine the legal grounds 1261 01:52:23,686 --> 01:52:28,103 on which the capital city of Vilnius may eventually break away from Lithuania. 1262 01:52:28,425 --> 01:52:31,717 If that happens, what kind of farm yard 1263 01:52:31,842 --> 01:52:36,133 do they propose to use as a venue for talks with the great Soviet Union? 1264 01:52:45,050 --> 01:52:49,005 Until a law is passed on the process 1265 01:52:49,067 --> 01:52:52,427 of separation from the USSR 1266 01:52:52,634 --> 01:52:55,217 and the conduct of a referendum in the republic, 1267 01:52:55,717 --> 01:53:00,217 we should enforce direct presidential rule on the territory of Lithuania. 1268 01:53:00,592 --> 01:53:04,259 And in that way we would ensure the protection of the USSR’s interests 1269 01:53:04,300 --> 01:53:08,217 in the given territory. 1270 01:53:14,842 --> 01:53:17,884 I'd like to proceed from the discussion 1271 01:53:18,926 --> 01:53:21,676 we had at the start of the Congress. 1272 01:53:23,009 --> 01:53:26,300 The Congress and all of us here express the will of the Soviet people 1273 01:53:26,676 --> 01:53:29,509 in declaring our respect for the Lithuanian nation. 1274 01:53:30,046 --> 01:53:33,129 We are able to distinguish between the Lithuanian people and those individuals 1275 01:53:33,154 --> 01:53:35,453 who are pushing the nation into a historical cul-de-sac, 1276 01:53:35,884 --> 01:53:40,884 and endangering the fate of the people. 1277 01:53:41,794 --> 01:53:43,250 They put the people in danger. 1278 01:53:44,259 --> 01:53:47,467 We have to help both the Lithuanian people 1279 01:53:47,634 --> 01:53:49,509 and many of those 1280 01:53:49,551 --> 01:53:54,092 who are today involved in making these decisions, 1281 01:53:54,259 --> 01:53:58,050 which... some of which we know about, although not all of them. 1282 01:53:58,217 --> 01:53:59,968 These people need to come to their senses. 1283 01:54:01,884 --> 01:54:04,467 And I believe we can help them do that 1284 01:54:06,384 --> 01:54:10,717 by sticking to two essential principles: 1285 01:54:11,050 --> 01:54:13,092 by showing respect and patience, 1286 01:54:13,133 --> 01:54:18,092 but also by being firm and principled. 1287 01:54:21,300 --> 01:54:22,758 If anyone thinks 1288 01:54:22,759 --> 01:54:26,717 this issue can be solved by simply raising a hand 1289 01:54:26,968 --> 01:54:28,842 in a hasty night-time meeting 1290 01:54:29,049 --> 01:54:33,551 instead of waiting for the next Congress, and so on, this is a very frivolous way 1291 01:54:33,884 --> 01:54:38,884 of deciding the fate of a people, 1292 01:54:39,009 --> 01:54:41,968 and of our peoples as a whole. It's simply irresponsible. 1293 01:54:46,010 --> 01:54:50,302 We had chosen the perfect date for this: 1294 01:54:51,009 --> 01:54:54,968 the 3rd Congress of People’s Deputies was meeting in Moscow 1295 01:54:55,551 --> 01:54:58,551 where they were due to elect Gorbachev president. 1296 01:54:59,217 --> 01:55:04,217 It would have been very awkward for him to send troops into Vilnius. 1297 01:55:06,425 --> 01:55:08,717 And we had made the right choice. 1298 01:55:09,717 --> 01:55:11,451 And after three days, 1299 01:55:13,256 --> 01:55:17,668 their Congress, the high command 1300 01:55:18,259 --> 01:55:20,217 together with Gorbachev, 1301 01:55:21,384 --> 01:55:25,259 decreed that our decisions weren’t valid. 1302 01:55:27,852 --> 01:55:31,227 But we could say that we'd been an independent country 1303 01:55:31,592 --> 01:55:34,634 for three days already, 1304 01:55:34,968 --> 01:55:39,634 and no foreign power had the right to declare 1305 01:55:39,717 --> 01:55:44,049 that our decisions were valid or not. 1306 01:55:44,133 --> 01:55:46,717 If anything, their decisions were not valid, 1307 01:55:47,551 --> 01:55:49,801 or valid for them but not for Lithuania... 1308 01:55:49,926 --> 01:55:54,926 The decisions of our neighbour, the Soviet Union, 1309 01:55:56,884 --> 01:55:59,425 were not necessarily relevant to us, 1310 01:55:59,509 --> 01:56:01,133 they weren't our decisions - 1311 01:56:01,801 --> 01:56:04,259 our decisions had already been made. 1312 01:56:19,509 --> 01:56:21,342 I'm calling from a taxi. 1313 01:56:21,467 --> 01:56:23,259 We are near Vilnius. 1314 01:56:23,634 --> 01:56:27,300 I'm a member of the information centre of the Supreme Council. 1315 01:57:23,611 --> 01:57:26,354 A column of tanks and armoured personnel carriers 1316 01:57:26,838 --> 01:57:31,491 were heading from the west to Vilnius. 1317 01:57:32,092 --> 01:57:34,259 At the outskirts of Vilnius 1318 01:57:34,384 --> 01:57:38,968 they could take the turning towards their base 1319 01:57:39,759 --> 01:57:41,551 or towards the centre of the city. 1320 01:57:42,592 --> 01:57:46,842 And they turned towards the city centre, towards the Supreme Council! 1321 01:57:47,432 --> 01:57:52,102 We realised that our last hours 1322 01:57:52,425 --> 01:57:55,417 or minutes might have come. 1323 01:57:56,300 --> 01:58:01,300 They drove past the Supreme Council, with their weapons cocked, 1324 01:58:02,418 --> 01:58:05,626 heavy machine guns aimed at our windows. 1325 01:58:07,049 --> 01:58:12,049 The message was loud and clear: "Remember who you've picked a fight with!" 1326 01:58:29,467 --> 01:58:30,942 Do you know why they've occupied it? 1327 01:58:33,467 --> 01:58:35,551 They've done it because [...] 1328 01:58:36,435 --> 01:58:39,435 It’s all at the request of the CPSU. 1329 01:58:40,067 --> 01:58:43,342 This is one of the most brutal acts 1330 01:58:43,634 --> 01:58:47,133 of the Soviet army in recent times. 1331 01:58:47,717 --> 01:58:51,384 It has no legal basis whatsoever. 1332 01:58:51,467 --> 01:58:55,734 They couldn't give any answers 1333 01:58:55,806 --> 01:58:59,358 when our prosecutors asked about the legal basis. 1334 01:59:02,217 --> 01:59:07,217 As a result of our negotiations 1335 01:59:07,701 --> 01:59:09,152 we've got a team of staff 1336 01:59:10,009 --> 01:59:15,009 who will set themselves up tomorrow at 9.30 am 1337 01:59:15,373 --> 01:59:17,031 in the Council of Ministers 1338 01:59:18,926 --> 01:59:23,926 and will be working round the clock in the Ministry of the Interior. 1339 01:59:24,342 --> 01:59:28,217 Do you think there'll be a coup? 1340 01:59:33,842 --> 01:59:35,217 Anything is possible. 1341 01:59:36,009 --> 01:59:40,259 The past few days have been very eventful. 1342 01:59:40,634 --> 01:59:44,592 They say that their main goal 1343 01:59:44,676 --> 01:59:49,092 is to ensure that not a single shot is fired. 1344 01:59:59,885 --> 02:00:01,982 - I am very sorry, I won't talk. - You will have it! 1345 02:00:02,678 --> 02:00:03,987 It will be all yours! 1346 02:00:13,384 --> 02:00:17,634 Paulauskas has illegally accepted the post of the prosecutor for the Republic; 1347 02:00:17,801 --> 02:00:21,926 he deliberately avoids any contact with the Prosecutor’s office of the USSR, 1348 02:00:22,092 --> 02:00:24,009 and ignores its instructions. 1349 02:00:24,551 --> 02:00:26,759 Paulauskas' behaviour 1350 02:00:27,259 --> 02:00:31,133 is a gross violation of the constitution of the USSR, 1351 02:00:31,759 --> 02:00:35,300 and of the USSR’s law “On The Prosecutor’s Office of the USSR”; 1352 02:00:35,384 --> 02:00:37,425 his conduct violates the ethical code 1353 02:00:37,551 --> 02:00:40,884 and is incompatible with his position in the Prosecutor’s Office. 1354 02:00:42,050 --> 02:00:46,509 Artūras Stasevich Paulauskas must be relieved of his post 1355 02:00:46,551 --> 02:00:50,467 as First Deputy Prosecutor of the Lithuanian SSR; 1356 02:00:50,551 --> 02:00:52,759 he must be fired from the Prosecutor’s Office, 1357 02:00:52,801 --> 02:00:56,300 and deprived of his rank of senior judicial consultant. 1358 02:00:57,009 --> 02:00:59,759 Signed, Sukharev, Prosecutor General of the SSR. 1359 02:01:02,759 --> 02:01:07,551 The grounds for sacking comrade Paulauskas are unclear. 1360 02:01:09,926 --> 02:01:13,676 In my opinion, I've clearly and precisely expressed the Prosecutor General’s order: 1361 02:01:13,968 --> 02:01:15,841 i.e. gross violations against the code 1362 02:01:15,842 --> 02:01:17,634 of the Constitution of the USSR, 1363 02:01:17,676 --> 02:01:20,384 violations of the law 'On The Prosecutor’s Office of the USSR’ 1364 02:01:21,884 --> 02:01:25,592 and in relation to his appointment being made in an unconstitutional way... 1365 02:01:26,717 --> 02:01:28,384 These are the grounds. 1366 02:01:28,467 --> 02:01:32,480 90 % of the Lithuanian staff 1367 02:01:32,610 --> 02:01:34,606 will resign from the Prosecutor’s Office. 1368 02:01:36,049 --> 02:01:37,801 Nobody’s irreplaceable. 1369 02:01:40,621 --> 02:01:43,704 I am a member of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of Lithuania, 1370 02:01:43,926 --> 02:01:48,592 so I hope that, as we are in Lithuania, you will allow me to say a few words. 1371 02:01:48,884 --> 02:01:50,884 Have I tried to prevent anyone speaking? 1372 02:01:50,968 --> 02:01:53,861 On the contrary, I'd like to tell all comrades... 1373 02:01:53,919 --> 02:01:54,759 Please go ahead. 1374 02:01:54,801 --> 02:01:58,801 Firstly, I'd like to congratulate my esteemed friend Paulauskas. 1375 02:01:59,050 --> 02:02:02,384 At last, after being stripped of his rank, 1376 02:02:02,676 --> 02:02:05,842 although keeping his post as prosecutor, 1377 02:02:06,342 --> 02:02:08,467 since he is, after all, a prosecutor, 1378 02:02:08,509 --> 02:02:10,342 he has finally been recognized by Moscow 1379 02:02:10,384 --> 02:02:12,717 not as a prosecutor of the USSR, 1380 02:02:12,801 --> 02:02:15,009 but as a member of the Prosecutor’s Office of Lithuania. 1381 02:02:20,268 --> 02:02:24,702 I hope that comrade Sukharev will do me the same honour. 1382 02:02:24,853 --> 02:02:26,043 Please pass the message on. 1383 02:02:26,926 --> 02:02:30,049 In the name of the Presidium of the Supreme Council 1384 02:02:30,300 --> 02:02:34,717 of the Republic of Lithuania, I regret the USSR Prosecutor's Office 1385 02:02:34,869 --> 02:02:36,658 doesn't understand that such matters 1386 02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:40,639 can only be solved by political means. 1387 02:02:41,717 --> 02:02:46,049 I regret that our guest, comrade Vasilyev didn't see fit to introduce himself 1388 02:02:46,050 --> 02:02:48,425 to the Supreme Council of Lithuania. 1389 02:02:48,926 --> 02:02:52,592 It reminds me of the events of 1940. 1390 02:02:52,968 --> 02:02:55,050 I'd like to explain to comrade Vasilyev 1391 02:02:55,300 --> 02:02:57,509 so that he can tell comrade Sukharev, 1392 02:02:57,717 --> 02:03:00,592 that at present he is on the territory 1393 02:03:00,634 --> 02:03:02,842 of the sovereign Lithuanian State. 1394 02:03:03,050 --> 02:03:06,968 And that the orders of the USSR Prosecutor General 1395 02:03:07,009 --> 02:03:11,501 must be characterised as interference in the legislature of Lithuania. 1396 02:03:11,717 --> 02:03:15,133 They are therefore null and void, and won't be recognised. 1397 02:03:15,602 --> 02:03:19,352 A group from the USSR Prosecutor’s Office who are here now in this room, 1398 02:03:19,377 --> 02:03:20,759 recently came to visit us. 1399 02:03:20,842 --> 02:03:24,050 I thought they would behave like guests. 1400 02:03:24,551 --> 02:03:28,384 I regret that I’ll have to end my speech in an unparliamentary fashion: 1401 02:03:28,968 --> 02:03:33,259 since I don't dare ask them to clear out, 1402 02:03:33,300 --> 02:03:34,884 I will clear out myself. 1403 02:03:34,926 --> 02:03:37,676 I’m sure that my colleagues from the Prosecutor’s Office of Lithuania 1404 02:03:37,717 --> 02:03:39,801 will also realise that now is the moment 1405 02:03:39,842 --> 02:03:42,650 to return to their desks, and to carry on working under the leadership 1406 02:03:42,683 --> 02:03:46,049 of the legally elected Prosecutor, namely, Prosecutor Paulauskas. 1407 02:04:49,467 --> 02:04:51,801 Landsbergis is a cultured man, 1408 02:04:51,924 --> 02:04:53,558 he knows ten languages 1409 02:04:55,055 --> 02:05:00,551 the country needs a leader who is educated, cultured... 1410 02:05:01,696 --> 02:05:03,772 Do you really want... 1411 02:05:03,891 --> 02:05:08,590 No, you are proud of your nation if you act... 1412 02:05:10,384 --> 02:05:13,342 I believe that the Russian people are very decent... 1413 02:05:16,801 --> 02:05:18,717 but we will never let them come here 1414 02:05:19,092 --> 02:05:22,425 and exterminate the memory of the people... Never. 1415 02:05:22,634 --> 02:05:25,926 Lithuania accepts everyone, it loves and respects everyone... 1416 02:05:26,009 --> 02:05:28,300 And we'll thrive in the Union! 1417 02:05:31,248 --> 02:05:34,745 We want Gorbachev to take charge, 1418 02:05:34,799 --> 02:05:37,618 not Landsbergis, we don’t need Germans! 1419 02:05:43,634 --> 02:05:45,717 We liberated Lithuania, for fuck's sake, "occupiers". 1420 02:05:48,077 --> 02:05:50,369 - You liberated Lithuania? - Liberated Lithuania. 1421 02:05:50,469 --> 02:05:51,604 Why didn't you leave? 1422 02:05:52,300 --> 02:05:54,467 You should've told us to leave earlier. 1423 02:05:54,509 --> 02:05:56,551 And who built all of this? 1424 02:06:00,677 --> 02:06:01,677 We did! 1425 02:06:02,598 --> 02:06:04,128 Oh, congratulations! 1426 02:06:04,538 --> 02:06:05,811 Oh, aren't you clever! 1427 02:06:06,050 --> 02:06:08,592 How am I an "occupier"? 1428 02:06:08,801 --> 02:06:10,050 How am I an "occupier"? 1429 02:06:13,968 --> 02:06:15,342 Are we to blame for this? 1430 02:06:15,384 --> 02:06:20,050 Hitler killed our people too, so many of our people... 1431 02:06:20,300 --> 02:06:23,842 - I fought in the war myself... - We need to resolve this peacefully... 1432 02:06:25,050 --> 02:06:26,384 With goodwill. 1433 02:06:26,592 --> 02:06:29,425 Let Lithuania separate, but we don't need Landsbergis. 1434 02:06:30,597 --> 02:06:33,325 Comrades! 1435 02:06:37,217 --> 02:06:39,676 Long live Soviet Lithuania! 1436 02:06:44,717 --> 02:06:47,157 USSR is the road to slavery, Lithuania is the road to freedom! 1437 02:06:55,027 --> 02:06:56,614 Come down here! 1438 02:06:57,770 --> 02:06:58,770 Scum! 1439 02:07:11,574 --> 02:07:12,638 Comrades! 1440 02:07:12,961 --> 02:07:14,458 Listen, comrades! 1441 02:07:19,759 --> 02:07:22,342 Comrades, don't give in to provocation! 1442 02:07:22,415 --> 02:07:23,415 Please calm down! 1443 02:07:28,014 --> 02:07:29,634 Wait, I'm talking to you! 1444 02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:31,900 Come here! 1445 02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:33,146 Grab him! 1446 02:07:33,205 --> 02:07:34,937 - Punch him! - He's quick on the uptake! 1447 02:07:43,009 --> 02:07:45,759 Standing here, I realise, 1448 02:07:45,926 --> 02:07:50,049 that this is a little island, where words like 1449 02:07:50,300 --> 02:07:52,676 “socialism”, “communism”, 1450 02:07:52,801 --> 02:07:57,217 “the Communist Party of the Soviet Union!” are still respected. 1451 02:08:02,744 --> 02:08:04,264 We built everything! 1452 02:08:04,873 --> 02:08:07,924 I'll put it this way: we're not dead yet, good gentlemen! 1453 02:08:08,384 --> 02:08:11,092 We didn't come to Lithuania to make a quick buck, 1454 02:08:11,342 --> 02:08:12,842 we aren't fly-by-nights, 1455 02:08:12,968 --> 02:08:15,842 we create and defend the well-being of the people. 1456 02:08:17,331 --> 02:08:19,769 You’ll have noticed that there are troops here. 1457 02:08:19,842 --> 02:08:24,050 If we provoke the army, things might escalate to the point that, 1458 02:08:24,133 --> 02:08:26,384 if I were the Minister of Defence 1459 02:08:26,425 --> 02:08:29,425 or Prime Minister Ryzhkov, or the President, 1460 02:08:29,551 --> 02:08:32,115 I would leave the remaining troops in Lithuania 1461 02:08:32,116 --> 02:08:36,855 under the control and command of Prunskienė and Landsbergis. 1462 02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:40,423 Let them try to find common ground with our troops. 1463 02:08:40,842 --> 02:08:44,592 And here, in Vilnius, there are 600 families who are homeless. 1464 02:08:45,049 --> 02:08:48,300 I wouldn't be surprised, if some colonel of my rank 1465 02:08:48,415 --> 02:08:50,623 overthrew the government of Landsbergis. 1466 02:08:50,717 --> 02:08:53,968 But we won't take responsibility for him. 1467 02:08:55,300 --> 02:08:59,717 They thought they could easily oust us, 1468 02:09:00,050 --> 02:09:02,092 that the factories would down tools 1469 02:09:02,801 --> 02:09:05,425 that workers would take to the streets, 1470 02:09:05,467 --> 02:09:08,050 demanding political change. 1471 02:09:08,425 --> 02:09:12,420 Incidentally, Mr Brazauskas 1472 02:09:12,740 --> 02:09:15,457 used to talk about this all the time. 1473 02:09:15,652 --> 02:09:19,318 He would gently hint that "really we need a change of policy", 1474 02:09:20,842 --> 02:09:25,842 thus insinuating that we needed a change of government. 1475 02:09:28,634 --> 02:09:33,634 His comrade-in-arms Juršėnas, a deputy and an influential communist 1476 02:09:34,342 --> 02:09:36,092 in the Supreme Council, 1477 02:09:36,342 --> 02:09:39,533 put forward a proposal 1478 02:09:40,467 --> 02:09:44,968 as early as March, 1479 02:09:45,050 --> 02:09:48,301 or maybe in April, very early on, 1480 02:09:48,801 --> 02:09:52,809 a proposal to organise presidential elections. 1481 02:09:56,049 --> 02:10:00,644 Of course, he was counting on the immense popularity of Brazauskas. 1482 02:10:00,836 --> 02:10:04,252 And he even explained, quite candidly, 1483 02:10:04,551 --> 02:10:08,931 "it's the only way of getting rid of Landsbergis". 1484 02:10:18,300 --> 02:10:19,968 Wow, look! 1485 02:10:38,259 --> 02:10:40,217 That's nothing, don't worry! 1486 02:10:45,484 --> 02:10:47,446 Shame! 1487 02:11:13,342 --> 02:11:16,801 Don't worry, they'll soon run out of that trash they're dropping. 1488 02:11:33,828 --> 02:11:35,643 Clear off! 1489 02:11:37,509 --> 02:11:38,717 You know what? 1490 02:11:39,217 --> 02:11:42,885 The best response 1491 02:11:42,969 --> 02:11:45,933 to these litter louts 1492 02:11:46,050 --> 02:11:48,425 is to ignore them. 1493 02:11:52,133 --> 02:11:56,092 They've been polluting the world for 70 years now. 1494 02:12:05,050 --> 02:12:09,217 And now they're retreating from all the occupied countries. 1495 02:12:09,425 --> 02:12:12,300 They're still polluting the minds of their own people. 1496 02:12:12,467 --> 02:12:14,592 Pathetic behaviour. 1497 02:12:26,676 --> 02:12:29,342 It's a pity they're also making all this racket. 1498 02:12:36,133 --> 02:12:37,968 Go home! To Moscow! 1499 02:12:40,759 --> 02:12:42,133 Lithuania! 1500 02:12:45,551 --> 02:12:47,801 Lithuania will be free. 1501 02:12:59,092 --> 02:13:03,341 They now demanding that we revoke the resolutions 1502 02:13:03,342 --> 02:13:06,009 of the Supreme Council 1503 02:13:06,384 --> 02:13:10,425 and that independent Lithuania becomes dependent again! 1504 02:13:10,509 --> 02:13:11,717 Never! 1505 02:13:18,634 --> 02:13:20,968 Lithuania! May peace reign in your home. 1506 02:13:26,375 --> 02:13:29,999 In yesterday's edition of "Izvestya", 1507 02:13:30,474 --> 02:13:34,343 they suggested that we abandon our principles 1508 02:13:37,300 --> 02:13:41,708 but today you can read the words 1509 02:13:42,259 --> 02:13:44,717 that are written in our hearts, 1510 02:13:45,133 --> 02:13:48,884 words that were set down 1511 02:13:49,009 --> 02:13:52,851 650 years ago, 1512 02:13:53,217 --> 02:13:56,009 almost 700 years ago, 1513 02:13:56,676 --> 02:13:59,049 I'll remind you of them: 1514 02:14:00,009 --> 02:14:03,467 "Sooner iron will melt as wax 1515 02:14:04,030 --> 02:14:06,671 and water will turn into stone 1516 02:14:06,734 --> 02:14:10,360 than we take back our word". 1517 02:14:27,519 --> 02:14:31,890 The economic blockade came into effect 1518 02:14:32,573 --> 02:14:35,281 on the 18th or 19th of April. 1519 02:14:36,217 --> 02:14:40,837 At the same time in the West, in France, 1520 02:14:41,501 --> 02:14:43,402 there was a summit going on. 1521 02:14:46,049 --> 02:14:50,394 They received this news and as usual 1522 02:14:51,717 --> 02:14:53,759 "were extremely concerned". 1523 02:14:54,926 --> 02:14:59,884 They expressed their concern and the wish that Gorbachev wouldn't use troops. 1524 02:15:00,509 --> 02:15:03,968 And we tried, that is, I tried, 1525 02:15:06,467 --> 02:15:11,467 to introduce into the dictionary, into political vocabulary, 1526 02:15:13,926 --> 02:15:16,425 the term "economic violence", 1527 02:15:17,759 --> 02:15:20,092 since everyone was against violence, 1528 02:15:20,968 --> 02:15:22,771 i.e. against shooting people. 1529 02:15:24,509 --> 02:15:29,509 I talked about both military and economic violence, 1530 02:15:30,509 --> 02:15:32,673 we were being coerced by the blockade, 1531 02:15:34,052 --> 02:15:38,008 by the disruption of all economic life, 1532 02:15:38,648 --> 02:15:40,282 by the creation of shortages, 1533 02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:43,430 so that the people would revolt 1534 02:15:43,469 --> 02:15:46,728 and blame Sąjūdis, blame Landsbergis, 1535 02:15:47,133 --> 02:15:51,009 and would demand political change, a change of government etc. 1536 02:15:51,050 --> 02:15:53,926 They were pinning their hopes on that. 1537 02:15:59,676 --> 02:16:02,778 They're not just cutting off the supply of oil and gas, 1538 02:16:02,840 --> 02:16:06,884 but also other strategic resources, 1539 02:16:08,467 --> 02:16:11,717 They're preventing the normal flow of traffic. 1540 02:16:12,009 --> 02:16:13,676 They've blocked the railroad cars. 1541 02:16:13,801 --> 02:16:17,908 Lithuanian vehicles aren't allowed to refuel 1542 02:16:18,260 --> 02:16:19,940 outside Lithuania, 1543 02:16:20,092 --> 02:16:21,968 in the republics of the Soviet Union. 1544 02:16:22,306 --> 02:16:26,372 First of all, it is of utmost importance for us and the Supreme Council, 1545 02:16:26,513 --> 02:16:31,513 to define our actions, 1546 02:16:32,448 --> 02:16:36,220 to further address the highest levels 1547 02:16:37,340 --> 02:16:39,127 of the Union, 1548 02:16:40,592 --> 02:16:44,633 to endorse urgent negotiations 1549 02:16:44,878 --> 02:16:49,421 including another check on our position, 1550 02:16:49,482 --> 02:16:52,733 in terms of compromises and other strategic actions. 1551 02:17:21,371 --> 02:17:22,892 Green jerrycans [...] 1552 02:17:23,515 --> 02:17:24,515 Never mind. 1553 02:17:40,928 --> 02:17:45,845 In fact, the blockade began to fall apart due to corruption, 1554 02:17:46,425 --> 02:17:51,425 corruption in the ranks of the Soviet army and its administration. 1555 02:17:51,676 --> 02:17:56,509 Because they started selling petrol "under the counter" 1556 02:17:57,884 --> 02:18:00,725 and our businesses 1557 02:18:03,009 --> 02:18:07,842 and transport networks started to stock up - 1558 02:18:08,050 --> 02:18:10,759 it was expensive, but you could buy it. 1559 02:18:12,133 --> 02:18:17,009 And they got bread on the side too. 1560 02:18:17,551 --> 02:18:19,884 So we benefited from this corruption. 1561 02:18:20,926 --> 02:18:25,926 One of our comrades, Virgilijus Čepaitis, 1562 02:18:28,551 --> 02:18:32,009 came up with an idea which might have worked, 1563 02:18:32,092 --> 02:18:33,597 but we didn't want to risk it, 1564 02:18:33,809 --> 02:18:35,434 to completely open the market. 1565 02:18:36,638 --> 02:18:39,263 Let's respond to the blockade, by opening the market: 1566 02:18:39,829 --> 02:18:44,829 let anyone bring in goods from wherever, and sell as much as they want, 1567 02:18:45,972 --> 02:18:47,049 without any regulations. 1568 02:18:48,869 --> 02:18:52,454 This might've torn the Soviet Union apart. 1569 02:18:58,551 --> 02:19:00,676 Allow me to suggest a form of words. 1570 02:19:00,717 --> 02:19:03,425 - Simply leave it out. - Chairman, may I suggest a form of words: 1571 02:19:03,551 --> 02:19:08,551 Seeking to implement our intention, announced on May 16, 1572 02:19:08,604 --> 02:19:12,009 to resolve a set of questions in the statement of 19 May, 1573 02:19:12,050 --> 02:19:14,009 The Supreme Council of Lithuania decrees… 1574 02:19:14,425 --> 02:19:15,425 Ok. 1575 02:19:17,175 --> 02:19:19,759 I'd like to mention another point. 1576 02:19:20,300 --> 02:19:23,592 Does the title of the document name the participants in the negotiations? 1577 02:19:23,926 --> 02:19:26,801 The Republic of Lithuania and the USSR. 1578 02:19:28,012 --> 02:19:29,715 That isn't mentioned within the document. 1579 02:19:29,740 --> 02:19:32,133 Only the "parties to the negotiations" are mentioned. 1580 02:19:32,175 --> 02:19:34,717 The "Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania", 1581 02:19:34,801 --> 02:19:36,759 not just "the Republic of Lithuania". 1582 02:19:38,300 --> 02:19:42,842 So I suggest we replace "official" with "international" negotiations. 1583 02:19:43,205 --> 02:19:45,455 - Yes, yes. - That's an essential change. 1584 02:19:46,133 --> 02:19:49,759 We still don't have a single document which wouldn't raise doubts or queries, 1585 02:19:49,842 --> 02:19:51,634 just yesterday at the Supreme Council... 1586 02:19:51,801 --> 02:19:55,759 You must do what you want, but please don't insert things 1587 02:19:55,842 --> 02:19:59,009 that will provoke new thoughts and new motives. 1588 02:19:59,034 --> 02:20:01,292 - Chairman... - If we don't achieve anything by this... 1589 02:20:01,551 --> 02:20:03,801 I just want to say one thing. 1590 02:20:05,050 --> 02:20:08,467 We must first subject our position to scrutiny, and then defend it. 1591 02:20:09,456 --> 02:20:11,456 I'm personally happy for you defend it, 1592 02:20:11,492 --> 02:20:14,946 but I would also like to understand what's behind... 1593 02:20:14,971 --> 02:20:16,763 The parliament hasn't been told, 1594 02:20:16,816 --> 02:20:19,702 here, in this circle, we don't know either. 1595 02:20:19,734 --> 02:20:20,888 I can't tell you everything. 1596 02:20:20,913 --> 02:20:23,284 I understand, but I can't just trust you blindly. 1597 02:20:23,650 --> 02:20:26,942 If you don't trust me, then it's pointless me being here [...] 1598 02:20:28,148 --> 02:20:29,148 If you don't trust me? 1599 02:20:29,257 --> 02:20:31,757 I can trust you and help you, that's as much as I can do. 1600 02:20:32,151 --> 02:20:33,884 What meaning does it add? 1601 02:20:33,968 --> 02:20:35,717 This document is almost there. 1602 02:20:35,759 --> 02:20:38,551 - What's the point in shoving in new stuff? - I don't know. 1603 02:20:41,425 --> 02:20:45,217 All in all there were 14 versions of this text. 1604 02:20:45,884 --> 02:20:48,661 We all came up with our own wording. 1605 02:20:49,425 --> 02:20:52,699 And my wording was as follows... 1606 02:20:56,175 --> 02:20:58,801 It was rather sly, ambiguous, 1607 02:20:59,342 --> 02:21:02,342 that we declare a moratorium, 1608 02:21:03,968 --> 02:21:06,842 not on the Act of Independence, of course, 1609 02:21:07,175 --> 02:21:12,175 but on it's consequences, 1610 02:21:14,133 --> 02:21:17,926 clarifying that we would not pass 1611 02:21:18,572 --> 02:21:23,572 any new legislative acts ensuing from this. 1612 02:21:24,300 --> 02:21:26,968 The ones that have already been passed are fine, 1613 02:21:27,050 --> 02:21:30,259 but we won't pass any new acts for the next 100 days. 1614 02:21:30,425 --> 02:21:35,425 So you have a 100 day moratorium on new acts 1615 02:21:35,842 --> 02:21:38,300 related to independence 1616 02:21:38,848 --> 02:21:42,797 and only if we enter into 1617 02:21:43,230 --> 02:21:46,369 international negotiations. 1618 02:21:47,217 --> 02:21:50,926 That is, only if Gorbachev recognises us as a government. 1619 02:21:53,342 --> 02:21:58,342 But that was enough for them, and they proclaimed to the entire world. 1620 02:21:58,384 --> 02:22:00,133 "Lithuania has declared a moratorium". 1621 02:22:02,592 --> 02:22:06,968 And he set off to the US to ask for money, 1622 02:22:07,300 --> 02:22:11,801 as if he had already solved the problem with Lithuania. 1623 02:22:12,217 --> 02:22:17,175 We didn’t know it at the time, but over there, 1624 02:22:17,300 --> 02:22:22,300 in closed session, he was told that, 1625 02:22:23,217 --> 02:22:30,631 unless he reached some kind of agreement with Lithuania, 1626 02:22:31,092 --> 02:22:35,259 he would not get any help from America. 1627 02:22:36,133 --> 02:22:40,551 They concluded an agreement on economic cooperation, aid, 1628 02:22:40,592 --> 02:22:44,133 credits and so on... And trade with America... 1629 02:22:44,342 --> 02:22:48,283 This meant he could dig himself out 1630 02:22:48,387 --> 02:22:51,786 from his hole of bankruptcy, 1631 02:22:52,842 --> 02:22:56,516 but only if he could break 1632 02:22:57,165 --> 02:22:59,780 the deadlock with Lithuania. 1633 02:23:02,175 --> 02:23:05,968 Had we known about this condition, 1634 02:23:06,431 --> 02:23:10,671 we could have taken a stronger position, 1635 02:23:11,610 --> 02:23:13,851 because he had no other options. 1636 02:23:14,217 --> 02:23:18,592 But he tried to show that we had no options that we had to give in. 1637 02:23:32,247 --> 02:23:33,247 Where do we take this? 1638 02:23:33,873 --> 02:23:34,884 Let's go! 1639 02:23:35,918 --> 02:23:36,918 Over there, ahead of us. 1640 02:23:38,668 --> 02:23:39,460 Careful. 1641 02:23:39,599 --> 02:23:40,992 You can give two each. 1642 02:23:41,122 --> 02:23:42,768 - Over there? - One more. 1643 02:24:03,836 --> 02:24:05,275 Who should I ask? 1644 02:24:05,342 --> 02:24:08,259 Where is this customs post going to stand? 1645 02:24:11,649 --> 02:24:13,866 We can put it either there or there. 1646 02:24:14,342 --> 02:24:16,009 I don't know where to let them in. 1647 02:24:16,858 --> 02:24:18,283 They need to stop there. 1648 02:24:18,855 --> 02:24:20,253 We stop them and explain. 1649 02:24:27,949 --> 02:24:29,038 Careful, lads. 1650 02:24:30,367 --> 02:24:32,800 All get hold of it and carefully lower it down. 1651 02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:34,440 Take hold of the end. 1652 02:24:35,221 --> 02:24:36,221 Take hold of the end. 1653 02:24:36,367 --> 02:24:37,900 Two of us'll take it. 1654 02:24:38,527 --> 02:24:40,299 - Careful. - Now we’ll take it onto the road. 1655 02:24:40,324 --> 02:24:41,660 Ok, let's carry it over there. 1656 02:25:00,050 --> 02:25:03,175 Soon the customs officer will arrive, he'll get things organised. 1657 02:25:05,509 --> 02:25:07,133 What are they yelling? 1658 02:25:07,592 --> 02:25:08,845 Why do we need all this? 1659 02:25:15,133 --> 02:25:16,300 Let me tie it on. 1660 02:25:22,175 --> 02:25:23,509 Nobody knows what's going on. 1661 02:25:24,842 --> 02:25:25,842 I'm only joking. 1662 02:25:34,362 --> 02:25:36,510 - Push! - Be very careful now, lads! 1663 02:25:44,622 --> 02:25:45,689 Bury it deeper… 1664 02:25:50,634 --> 02:25:51,634 Flowers! 1665 02:25:55,699 --> 02:25:56,699 What do I have to do. 1666 02:26:08,525 --> 02:26:09,710 Stop there and don't budge! 1667 02:26:10,619 --> 02:26:12,560 D’you understand? Stop there and don't budge! 1668 02:26:52,520 --> 02:26:57,520 Soon they realised, that they hadn't gained anything. 1669 02:27:00,050 --> 02:27:04,009 Nothing had changed for Lithuania: Lithuania continued to function, 1670 02:27:04,509 --> 02:27:08,217 Lithuania was strengthening its international status, 1671 02:27:08,467 --> 02:27:11,300 gaining more and more support, 1672 02:27:11,384 --> 02:27:15,384 although without final recognition of its government. 1673 02:27:15,509 --> 02:27:19,968 Although that was being discussed and was only a matter of time. 1674 02:27:22,634 --> 02:27:26,759 On the other hand, we were choosing our own path... 1675 02:27:28,759 --> 02:27:31,968 independence in all aspects: 1676 02:27:32,884 --> 02:27:35,915 the year was coming to an end 1677 02:27:36,559 --> 02:27:40,787 and the Soviet budget was about to expire; 1678 02:27:41,926 --> 02:27:46,217 because we had still been being financed by the Soviets in March, 1679 02:27:47,217 --> 02:27:52,217 we still had these connections: expenditure, revenue 1680 02:27:53,050 --> 02:27:54,717 and we were still using roubles. 1681 02:27:55,175 --> 02:27:57,554 And Lithuania began 1682 02:27:57,934 --> 02:28:01,857 international negotiations with firms, 1683 02:28:02,092 --> 02:28:04,551 about the printing of Lithuanian currency. 1684 02:28:05,634 --> 02:28:08,625 Therefore, 1991 would be 1685 02:28:09,029 --> 02:28:12,545 a turning point and a blow 1686 02:28:13,049 --> 02:28:16,384 to the imperialists in Moscow. 1687 02:28:17,300 --> 02:28:20,300 We had been already threatened 1688 02:28:21,801 --> 02:28:25,717 by Mr or comrade Maslyukov in Moscow - 1689 02:28:26,049 --> 02:28:31,049 Prunskienė informed me about this when she came back from Moscow. 1690 02:28:32,425 --> 02:28:37,425 Maslyukov said that he was going to end all dealings with Lithuania, 1691 02:28:37,842 --> 02:28:41,592 all supplies, including animal fodder, 1692 02:28:41,801 --> 02:28:46,717 and she passed on this message, with the remarkable expression, 1693 02:28:47,717 --> 02:28:52,217 "this winter you'll have to kill all your cattle", 1694 02:28:52,884 --> 02:28:55,819 if you are disobedient 1695 02:28:56,299 --> 02:28:59,278 and try to exit from the Soviet budget. 1696 02:29:01,813 --> 02:29:05,063 Of course they were unable, 1697 02:29:05,088 --> 02:29:10,445 or didn't have the capacity to allow civilized negotiations. 1698 02:29:11,634 --> 02:29:13,015 That was one moment. 1699 02:29:14,259 --> 02:29:18,551 Another was when a secret decree 1700 02:29:19,175 --> 02:29:20,509 was issued in Moscow 1701 02:29:21,300 --> 02:29:25,467 by the Ministry of Interior and internal forces etc., 1702 02:29:26,029 --> 02:29:27,385 stating their obligation... 1703 02:29:34,050 --> 02:29:39,050 to keep order in the capitals of the Soviet republics 1704 02:29:39,842 --> 02:29:41,628 in the fight against crime. 1705 02:29:42,634 --> 02:29:45,342 They had declared a war on crime, 1706 02:29:45,759 --> 02:29:48,842 which included the right for troops 1707 02:29:50,592 --> 02:29:53,778 to patrol the capitals 1708 02:29:54,850 --> 02:29:56,531 of the Soviet republics, 1709 02:29:56,717 --> 02:29:58,509 including Lithuania, of course, 1710 02:29:59,175 --> 02:30:04,175 to patrol and inspect any suspicious flat 1711 02:30:05,801 --> 02:30:08,551 without a search warrant, 1712 02:30:08,717 --> 02:30:12,467 because Moscow had already given a priori permission: 1713 02:30:12,842 --> 02:30:15,759 "If you suspect anything 1714 02:30:15,842 --> 02:30:19,342 you can enter, check and take necessary measures". 1715 02:30:19,551 --> 02:30:22,009 That’s a complete military dictatorship. 1716 02:30:22,592 --> 02:30:27,592 It wasn't declared publicly, 1717 02:30:27,926 --> 02:30:30,175 but they issued this decree. 1718 02:30:30,856 --> 02:30:35,856 Perhaps they wanted us to know 1719 02:30:36,563 --> 02:30:42,725 the sort of measures they would take, if we didn't surrender. 1720 02:31:36,581 --> 02:31:37,883 Clear out, clear out! 1721 02:32:29,423 --> 02:32:30,423 Occupiers! 1722 02:32:30,907 --> 02:32:32,290 Occupiers! 1723 02:33:07,532 --> 02:33:11,324 The internal situation 1724 02:33:12,043 --> 02:33:15,088 within the entire Union 1725 02:33:16,395 --> 02:33:19,288 and the international situation, 1726 02:33:20,300 --> 02:33:21,934 had reached 1727 02:33:24,534 --> 02:33:26,587 a critical level 1728 02:33:27,884 --> 02:33:31,133 in relation to Saddam Hussein, 1729 02:33:31,342 --> 02:33:33,676 to Iraq having taken over Kuwait 1730 02:33:34,842 --> 02:33:37,509 and proclaimed that from now on 1731 02:33:37,592 --> 02:33:40,259 it’s part of our land, an internal matter. 1732 02:33:40,425 --> 02:33:42,884 Just like the Soviet Union - 1733 02:33:43,551 --> 02:33:46,717 it would take over some country and then it became an internal matter. 1734 02:33:48,189 --> 02:33:50,772 Of course, the West didn't agree with that 1735 02:33:50,968 --> 02:33:52,865 and gave Saddam Hussein 1736 02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:57,955 an ultimatum. 1737 02:33:58,384 --> 02:34:03,042 But he was backed up by the Soviet Union and Gorbachev. 1738 02:34:04,425 --> 02:34:08,926 So Gorbachev thought 1739 02:34:08,968 --> 02:34:13,259 that his military ventures against Lithuania 1740 02:34:13,842 --> 02:34:18,842 wouldn't be judged too harshly, 1741 02:34:18,968 --> 02:34:23,968 because his agreement was needed for the operation in the Persian Gulf. 1742 02:34:25,801 --> 02:34:30,801 And since Gorbachev gave his agreement, a verbal agreement, 1743 02:34:31,049 --> 02:34:36,049 he allowed the Americans to proceed without any great risk, 1744 02:34:36,634 --> 02:34:40,049 although there were many Soviet troops in Iraq. 1745 02:34:40,425 --> 02:34:41,884 And they took to their heels 1746 02:34:44,049 --> 02:34:46,384 when the operation commenced, 1747 02:34:46,634 --> 02:34:49,551 they didn't support Hussein. 1748 02:34:50,592 --> 02:34:52,884 So, Gorbachev gave his agreement, 1749 02:34:53,259 --> 02:34:58,259 counting on the fact that he wouldn't be judged or punished 1750 02:34:58,661 --> 02:35:02,277 for aggression against Lithuania. 1751 02:36:04,815 --> 02:36:07,042 We won't leave... 1752 02:36:09,255 --> 02:36:13,480 If necessary, we’ll get hold of whatever we need! 1753 02:36:15,461 --> 02:36:17,533 Life or death! 1754 02:36:18,634 --> 02:36:21,092 I'd rather die than live like this! 1755 02:38:57,259 --> 02:38:59,968 - Push that button! - We'll open the window and tell them. 1756 02:39:00,049 --> 02:39:01,342 They won't be able to hear! 1757 02:39:10,342 --> 02:39:12,009 Dear comrades! 1758 02:39:15,861 --> 02:39:17,111 Quiet! 1759 02:39:22,926 --> 02:39:24,884 Please, listen to me! 1760 02:39:25,009 --> 02:39:28,717 I am the deputy of the Supreme Council Birutė Nedzinskienė. 1761 02:39:32,676 --> 02:39:34,633 I can only tell you that 1762 02:39:34,634 --> 02:39:38,175 we have been debating nearly all night. 1763 02:39:38,259 --> 02:39:41,509 A majority of the deputies approved... 1764 02:39:41,592 --> 02:39:43,050 Keep it short! 1765 02:39:43,842 --> 02:39:46,801 ...approved the lowering of prices. 1766 02:39:46,884 --> 02:39:49,175 The government got it wrong. 1767 02:39:51,506 --> 02:39:52,585 It should resign! 1768 02:39:53,735 --> 02:39:54,753 It should resign! 1769 02:40:03,842 --> 02:40:06,259 Why are you standing here? 1770 02:40:09,092 --> 02:40:11,384 This is such gibberish! How can people... 1771 02:40:11,801 --> 02:40:13,717 How are people going to feed themselves? 1772 02:40:17,471 --> 02:40:20,847 - How many people do you have there? - The majority now. 1773 02:40:21,175 --> 02:40:23,216 - We support you. - Thank you. 1774 02:40:26,717 --> 02:40:27,551 Let her through. 1775 02:40:27,634 --> 02:40:31,384 Because now it will be easier for us, against so many... 1776 02:40:31,963 --> 02:40:34,997 If they don't cut prices, there will be a revolt! 1777 02:40:37,300 --> 02:40:40,592 A worker can't afford to pay such prices! 1778 02:40:40,901 --> 02:40:45,901 Of course, the enemy used this situation 1779 02:40:46,676 --> 02:40:51,676 to incite people to overthrow the government. 1780 02:40:52,259 --> 02:40:57,259 It’s also remarkable that these attempts to overthrow, 1781 02:40:57,283 --> 02:40:58,546 these protests, 1782 02:40:58,676 --> 02:41:01,206 didn't target the government, 1783 02:41:01,387 --> 02:41:04,858 which had tried to raise prices, 1784 02:41:05,175 --> 02:41:08,676 but the parliament, which had prevented it from happening. 1785 02:41:09,425 --> 02:41:12,509 By the way, in answer to your question - 1786 02:41:12,676 --> 02:41:16,634 Prunskienė and the government didn't have the right to raise prices 1787 02:41:17,092 --> 02:41:22,058 because on New Year's eve in the Supreme Council, 1788 02:41:22,472 --> 02:41:28,768 we had passed a short decree banning price changes 1789 02:41:29,049 --> 02:41:31,717 without preliminary discussion, 1790 02:41:33,676 --> 02:41:37,259 but they just went ahead anyway. 1791 02:41:37,509 --> 02:41:38,968 It was a fait accompli. 1792 02:41:39,049 --> 02:41:41,175 And she was delighted about it. 1793 02:41:41,587 --> 02:41:45,545 She phoned me early in the morning on the 7th and said, 1794 02:41:45,968 --> 02:41:48,968 "You don't seem too happy?" 1795 02:41:50,133 --> 02:41:53,050 I said: "You've made a very bad move, 1796 02:41:53,300 --> 02:41:57,092 and we'll have to deal with it." 1797 02:41:58,419 --> 02:42:00,989 Well, she just chuckled at that, 1798 02:42:01,425 --> 02:42:02,425 and left... 1799 02:42:02,639 --> 02:42:06,347 Of course, I phoned Moscow, Gorbachev, 1800 02:42:07,049 --> 02:42:10,592 I mean, I sent a telegram - I have my dispatches to Gorbachev - 1801 02:42:11,049 --> 02:42:15,049 because the situation in Lithuania was getting worse. 1802 02:42:15,342 --> 02:42:20,342 I offered to meet him anywhere, anytime, 1803 02:42:20,926 --> 02:42:25,592 to prevent further escalation. 1804 02:42:26,342 --> 02:42:27,676 Of course, he didn't answer. 1805 02:42:34,300 --> 02:42:35,842 They're saying 20 military vehicles. 1806 02:42:36,009 --> 02:42:37,384 Let it be 100. 1807 02:42:37,592 --> 02:42:40,467 Prunskienė is the only threat to us, not the vehicles. 1808 02:42:40,592 --> 02:42:45,259 Who's more dangerous to correspond with, Brazauskas or Gorbachev? 1809 02:42:45,342 --> 02:42:47,133 I always say Brazauskas. 1810 02:42:47,259 --> 02:42:50,258 So many times we had to write, confirm... This how it is. 1811 02:42:50,259 --> 02:42:52,634 Why do we need Gorbachev? What can he do? Nothing! 1812 02:43:07,470 --> 02:43:09,207 A column has set off near the Seimas. 1813 02:43:46,402 --> 02:43:49,312 The police must stand in front of this crowd. 1814 02:43:51,157 --> 02:43:55,034 Everybody on this side of the fountain, please move to the other side. 1815 02:44:03,425 --> 02:44:06,300 Government without communists! We trust Landsbergis. 1816 02:44:06,425 --> 02:44:09,592 We can’t surround the entire Supreme Council. 1817 02:44:11,508 --> 02:44:12,508 Lithuania! 1818 02:44:13,333 --> 02:44:14,333 Lithuania! 1819 02:44:24,152 --> 02:44:29,338 Don't occupy the other square, where there'll be another rally. 1820 02:44:29,653 --> 02:44:32,684 Many of them aren't bad people, they've just been misled. 1821 02:44:33,095 --> 02:44:36,503 Ignore any taunts or jibes, 1822 02:44:36,623 --> 02:44:41,655 ignore them even if they try to provoke you into a reaction. 1823 02:44:42,194 --> 02:44:44,363 Thank you, I have to attend a meeting. 1824 02:44:51,509 --> 02:44:53,384 Dear citizens of Vilnius, 1825 02:44:54,050 --> 02:44:56,049 and not only Vilnius, 1826 02:44:56,092 --> 02:44:59,425 there are people here from all over Lithuania. 1827 02:45:00,009 --> 02:45:05,009 We strongly protest against an organised, profascist plot. 1828 02:45:08,092 --> 02:45:11,009 ...workers of Lithuania... who have gathered here... 1829 02:45:17,171 --> 02:45:18,171 Shame! 1830 02:45:55,509 --> 02:46:00,509 On the 10th we received a telegram from Gorbachev, an ultimatum. 1831 02:46:03,050 --> 02:46:06,555 It's also in the public domain, I can quote. 1832 02:46:07,676 --> 02:46:12,047 Gorbachev demanded that we revoke 1833 02:46:12,609 --> 02:46:18,931 our illegal and anti-constitutional actions, 1834 02:46:20,217 --> 02:46:21,642 and instead... 1835 02:46:25,259 --> 02:46:28,316 accept the supremacy of the Soviet constitution. 1836 02:46:28,341 --> 02:46:30,028 They had already realised 1837 02:46:31,467 --> 02:46:35,217 that Lithuania was telling the West, 1838 02:46:35,551 --> 02:46:38,842 and that I tried to explain to Bush, 1839 02:46:39,509 --> 02:46:44,509 that their accusations about our unconstitutional acts were false, 1840 02:46:44,842 --> 02:46:47,467 because we already had our own constitution, 1841 02:46:47,592 --> 02:46:50,801 and owed no duty to the constitution of another state. 1842 02:46:51,884 --> 02:46:55,425 Thus, we weren't acting unconstitutionally 1843 02:46:55,717 --> 02:46:57,968 with regard to the Soviet constitution. 1844 02:46:58,259 --> 02:47:02,551 We weren't in the USSR anymore, we had our own constitution, 1845 02:47:05,259 --> 02:47:08,384 so the wording formulated by Gorbachev or his advisors on this point 1846 02:47:08,759 --> 02:47:13,339 --was quite transparent: 1847 02:47:13,926 --> 02:47:18,926 it was a demand to start to obey their constitution again. 1848 02:47:19,175 --> 02:47:22,133 This was tantamount to an admission 1849 02:47:22,509 --> 02:47:25,175 that their constitution was already void in Lithuania. 1850 02:47:26,133 --> 02:47:28,384 It would have to be readopted. 1851 02:47:29,049 --> 02:47:32,551 And we could reply to Comrade Gorbachev, 1852 02:47:33,098 --> 02:47:38,861 “We were elected to return independence to Lithuania, 1853 02:47:39,506 --> 02:47:43,548 not to rejoin the Soviet Union, 1854 02:47:44,050 --> 02:47:45,801 as you are now demanding. 1855 02:47:46,175 --> 02:47:50,823 By recognising your constitution we would be rejoining your state. 1856 02:47:52,425 --> 02:47:55,582 We have no right even to discuss that, 1857 02:47:56,419 --> 02:47:58,509 even if we wanted to”. 1858 02:48:12,026 --> 02:48:15,096 People, come here, to the side! 1859 02:48:15,494 --> 02:48:16,707 The troops are getting ready! 1860 02:48:45,138 --> 02:48:47,807 I can tell you, I served in the army myself. 1861 02:48:47,832 --> 02:48:49,580 They don't do such things without a reason. 1862 02:49:26,622 --> 02:49:27,914 Lithuania! 1863 02:49:46,133 --> 02:49:48,422 People, clear the road! 1864 02:49:58,630 --> 02:49:59,848 Fascists! 1865 02:50:10,434 --> 02:50:12,089 Go, go bravely! 1866 02:50:19,030 --> 02:50:20,302 Listen, men... 1867 02:50:41,899 --> 02:50:43,217 Lithuania! 1868 02:51:25,551 --> 02:51:26,785 Lithuania! 1869 02:51:31,801 --> 02:51:35,009 Three people shot, one most probably killed, 1870 02:51:35,049 --> 02:51:36,092 he fell to the ground. 1871 02:51:36,133 --> 02:51:39,175 We tried our best to drag him back, but we couldn't. 1872 02:51:41,092 --> 02:51:42,251 Where do you live? 1873 02:51:43,024 --> 02:51:47,400 Gorky Street, 47-58. 1874 02:51:49,759 --> 02:51:50,926 Is there a phone there? 1875 02:51:51,133 --> 02:51:54,133 They wouldn't let anyone out... No, there's no phone. 1876 02:51:54,509 --> 02:51:57,383 So, the second floor, run up to the third, 1877 02:51:57,384 --> 02:51:59,068 to the Presidium hall and the press centre 1878 02:51:59,093 --> 02:52:00,859 and call an urgent press conference. 1879 02:52:01,050 --> 02:52:04,509 They're not allowing anyone to pass, and they're all standing there... 1880 02:52:04,551 --> 02:52:06,926 ...armed people 1881 02:52:07,050 --> 02:52:08,842 are standing there too... 1882 02:52:09,467 --> 02:52:13,676 When I was leaving they were starting, they were starting... 1883 02:52:14,509 --> 02:52:18,217 The tanks started heading towards the Press house. 1884 02:52:18,676 --> 02:52:21,226 Everybody form up in ranks! 1885 02:52:24,229 --> 02:52:25,229 It's starting... 1886 02:52:27,717 --> 02:52:28,717 It's starting... 1887 02:52:40,636 --> 02:52:41,636 Faster! 1888 02:52:45,412 --> 02:52:46,412 In threes! 1889 02:53:01,884 --> 02:53:03,758 It's hopeless, men, hopeless. 1890 02:53:03,759 --> 02:53:06,259 It's hopeless, but all the same we must mount a defence. 1891 02:53:11,415 --> 02:53:12,935 The town of Panevėžys is standing by... 1892 02:53:16,717 --> 02:53:19,592 From this very moment, the danger is real. 1893 02:53:21,968 --> 02:53:26,133 In 15 minutes' time, I will swear in all those who are still here, 1894 02:53:26,551 --> 02:53:29,676 and from that moment, you'll be soldiers of the Lithuanian Republic, 1895 02:53:30,009 --> 02:53:32,634 with all the consequences that entails, 1896 02:53:33,092 --> 02:53:37,258 i.e. the Geneva Conventions will apply, and if you are taken prisoner, 1897 02:53:37,259 --> 02:53:39,259 you can claim combatant status. 1898 02:53:39,801 --> 02:53:43,049 Some people here are 60, 70, 80 years old. 1899 02:53:43,050 --> 02:53:44,509 They will only hinder our efforts. 1900 02:53:44,592 --> 02:53:47,551 If you say, "only cowards are leaving", 1901 02:53:47,717 --> 02:53:50,259 they will insist on staying. 1902 02:53:50,425 --> 02:53:53,384 During these 15 minutes some of you may want to pop out and come back... 1903 02:53:53,425 --> 02:53:56,551 i.e. those who stay will join the ranks. 1904 02:53:57,384 --> 02:54:02,384 Yes, but all the elderly should leave, according to the law, 1905 02:54:03,717 --> 02:54:07,467 not because they're cowards, but because the law says so. 1906 02:54:07,592 --> 02:54:11,009 - How old is too old? - Listen, even a man of 40, 1907 02:54:11,050 --> 02:54:13,801 if he's limping, or missing a leg, 1908 02:54:14,175 --> 02:54:15,884 he'll only be a burden. 1909 02:54:20,259 --> 02:54:21,759 Time is ticking away. 1910 02:54:22,009 --> 02:54:23,551 Men, we have only five minutes left. 1911 02:54:23,883 --> 02:54:25,250 Five minutes with a break... 1912 02:54:40,300 --> 02:54:41,817 Kaunas is Kaunas. 1913 02:54:42,717 --> 02:54:45,259 My son has a sticker that says "Don't you threaten us". 1914 02:54:47,727 --> 02:54:50,092 OK, boys, let's stand for a bit, relax for a moment, but... 1915 02:54:52,816 --> 02:54:57,816 ...but the imminent threat of a new Soviet occupation 1916 02:54:59,154 --> 02:55:01,723 obliges me to make this announcement. 1917 02:55:02,936 --> 02:55:06,066 As is already known, The Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania 1918 02:55:06,857 --> 02:55:10,253 calls the people of Lithuania to acts of civil disobedience 1919 02:55:11,402 --> 02:55:13,853 if a new occupation begins, 1920 02:55:14,440 --> 02:55:17,205 if a puppet government is established. 1921 02:55:17,871 --> 02:55:19,841 I must explain to you [...] 1922 02:55:33,725 --> 02:55:35,698 Soldiers, dress right! 1923 02:55:36,609 --> 02:55:37,609 Attention! 1924 02:55:52,300 --> 02:55:53,842 Volunteers of Lithuania, 1925 02:55:55,634 --> 02:55:56,634 Dress right! 1926 02:55:57,759 --> 02:55:58,759 Attention! 1927 02:56:02,672 --> 02:56:05,547 Men, I must inform you 1928 02:56:05,884 --> 02:56:07,634 that we already have some casualties, 1929 02:56:07,915 --> 02:56:11,582 and today it is highly likely that we will have to defend 1930 02:56:11,746 --> 02:56:16,196 the Parliament and the Government of the Republic of Lithuania, 1931 02:56:17,717 --> 02:56:19,717 I have requested all those 1932 02:56:20,467 --> 02:56:23,551 who understand the risk we face, 1933 02:56:24,217 --> 02:56:27,295 and do not wish to stay here, to leave the building. 1934 02:56:28,535 --> 02:56:30,909 All of those who stay and take the oath 1935 02:56:31,384 --> 02:56:35,634 will, from that moment on, become soldiers of Lithuania. 1936 02:56:36,968 --> 02:56:41,968 I will ask V. Landsbergis, Chairman of the Supreme Council, 1937 02:56:42,676 --> 02:56:44,801 to say a few words, 1938 02:56:45,092 --> 02:56:47,300 and then we will all take the oath. 1939 02:56:51,975 --> 02:56:55,540 The coming hours will be decisive; 1940 02:56:57,009 --> 02:57:02,009 Lithuania's independence will be won, 1941 02:57:03,717 --> 02:57:05,676 or lost once more; 1942 02:57:06,842 --> 02:57:11,842 if we lose, we will rise up again and again 1943 02:57:12,163 --> 02:57:14,393 and fight for freedom. 1944 02:57:16,259 --> 02:57:20,153 But above all, we must defend our rights. 1945 02:57:23,717 --> 02:57:25,163 You have a choice. 1946 02:57:26,107 --> 02:57:28,555 We have already chosen. 1947 02:57:37,384 --> 02:57:39,092 Repeat after me: 1948 02:57:39,300 --> 02:57:43,926 when I say, "I", each of you will say your surname. 1949 02:57:45,926 --> 02:57:47,307 Raise your right hand. 1950 02:57:51,968 --> 02:57:53,451 I... 1951 02:57:59,050 --> 02:58:02,035 - With you as my witness... - With you as my witness... 1952 02:58:03,049 --> 02:58:04,989 - I swear. - I swear 1953 02:58:05,801 --> 02:58:07,928 not to spare my strength and my life 1954 02:58:08,259 --> 02:58:11,247 not to spare my strength and my life 1955 02:58:12,049 --> 02:58:13,828 in defending the State of Lithuania 1956 02:58:14,092 --> 02:58:16,450 in defending the State of Lithuania 1957 02:58:16,884 --> 02:58:18,300 and its independence. 1958 02:58:18,551 --> 02:58:20,604 And its independence. 1959 02:58:21,592 --> 02:58:23,759 - I swear... - I swear... 1960 02:58:24,133 --> 02:58:25,961 This political operation... 1961 02:58:26,592 --> 02:58:31,259 Of course, they hoped for Lithuania to be riven by internal dissent. 1962 02:58:31,644 --> 02:58:33,840 Burokevičius' party 1963 02:58:33,894 --> 02:58:37,746 was not alone 1964 02:58:38,009 --> 02:58:40,425 in sending pleading cables: 1965 02:58:41,384 --> 02:58:44,050 "Declare presidential rule. 1966 02:58:44,259 --> 02:58:48,033 It’s chaos here, people are in danger, 1967 02:58:49,092 --> 02:58:53,321 Sąjūdis government is behaving incredibly". 1968 02:58:53,384 --> 02:58:54,884 This was a pack of lies. 1969 02:58:55,092 --> 02:58:57,004 Those were their methods... 1970 02:58:58,759 --> 02:59:02,717 As for the ill-fated. 1971 02:59:03,175 --> 02:59:07,050 National Salvation Committee of Lithuania, 1972 02:59:07,884 --> 02:59:11,851 established by the same communists and KGB agents, 1973 02:59:12,425 --> 02:59:16,717 it proclaimed itself to be the new supreme power, 1974 02:59:17,049 --> 02:59:20,883 since the previous government had either already unravelled, 1975 02:59:20,884 --> 02:59:22,049 or had become impotent, 1976 02:59:22,175 --> 02:59:26,668 and so, acting as responsible people, we will take authority into our own hands, 1977 02:59:26,842 --> 02:59:31,759 complete authority, 1978 02:59:32,259 --> 02:59:35,712 in order to lead the state and the people 1979 02:59:35,751 --> 02:59:38,380 out of this crisis situation, 1980 02:59:38,717 --> 02:59:42,175 brought about by Sąjūdis and Landsbergis. 1981 02:59:43,009 --> 02:59:45,092 But this was attempt was unsuccessful too, 1982 02:59:47,384 --> 02:59:49,842 although it was fully planned, 1983 02:59:50,009 --> 02:59:53,129 and later, other countries 1984 02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:56,052 used this salvation committee as a model. 1985 03:00:42,884 --> 03:00:44,425 - To the right. - Where? 1986 03:00:44,551 --> 03:00:46,926 Up these stairs at the very top, right? 1987 03:00:48,592 --> 03:00:50,968 Ah, I was wondering where they got their sticks from. 1988 03:00:58,429 --> 03:00:59,888 Do you have any more baskets? 1989 03:02:25,259 --> 03:02:29,842 It was a planned military operation that was prepared in Moscow 1990 03:02:30,634 --> 03:02:34,009 and even had its own headquarters 1991 03:02:34,425 --> 03:02:38,842 with military maps and little flags, 1992 03:02:38,867 --> 03:02:42,243 showing the position of different forces and their planned movement. 1993 03:02:42,509 --> 03:02:44,842 And they did move according to the plan 1994 03:02:44,884 --> 03:02:48,509 because extra forces were needed: 1995 03:02:51,281 --> 03:02:52,413 parachutists, 1996 03:02:56,092 --> 03:02:58,094 airborne troops 1997 03:02:58,425 --> 03:03:03,425 were sent from Pskov, 1998 03:03:03,492 --> 03:03:05,995 from Kaliningrad to Lithuania. 1999 03:03:06,049 --> 03:03:08,764 It took a couple of days, 2000 03:03:08,920 --> 03:03:12,743 starting on the 4th of January 2001 03:03:13,050 --> 03:03:19,231 when Prunskienė's government illegally decided to raise prices. 2002 03:03:19,884 --> 03:03:24,220 Military supplies also formed a part 2003 03:03:24,384 --> 03:03:29,384 of their attack strategy. 2004 03:03:29,801 --> 03:03:32,832 These supplies included 2005 03:03:32,996 --> 03:03:37,175 illegal items, 2006 03:03:38,842 --> 03:03:41,801 internationally banned items 2007 03:03:42,300 --> 03:03:47,175 such as expanding bullets 2008 03:03:48,508 --> 03:03:51,923 which cause 2009 03:03:52,752 --> 03:03:56,320 irreversible internal damage 2010 03:03:56,926 --> 03:04:00,425 and terrible suffering to the victim. 2011 03:04:01,049 --> 03:04:03,050 They used these, 2012 03:04:03,133 --> 03:04:07,259 as was verified by the commission set up by the "Shield" organization. 2013 03:04:08,148 --> 03:04:12,747 "Shield" was a pro-democratic group 2014 03:04:12,802 --> 03:04:14,880 of military officers. 2015 03:04:15,133 --> 03:04:20,133 They came and investigated and wrote their report. 2016 03:04:20,639 --> 03:04:22,825 That’s another very important document. 2017 03:04:23,759 --> 03:04:25,049 Those bullets... 2018 03:04:28,509 --> 03:04:32,294 You could see that the soldiers' eyes 2019 03:04:32,733 --> 03:04:34,348 were glazed over. 2020 03:04:36,217 --> 03:04:39,049 One of my doctors said, "That's pill No.5, 2021 03:04:39,509 --> 03:04:43,175 it makes them indifferent to any obstacle in their way - 2022 03:04:43,259 --> 03:04:46,592 be it a woman, a child, an old person..." 2023 03:05:36,916 --> 03:05:38,251 Lithuania! 2024 03:05:44,108 --> 03:05:45,524 Lithuania! 2025 03:06:46,384 --> 03:06:48,676 Fascists! 2026 03:06:49,823 --> 03:06:51,465 Now let's give them a bit of a fright... 2027 03:06:56,460 --> 03:06:58,136 Bloody hell, I told you to break it up... 2028 03:06:58,772 --> 03:07:00,647 - Get back, I said! - Clear out now... 2029 03:07:06,175 --> 03:07:10,259 Film them beating the guy over there, 2030 03:07:10,300 --> 03:07:12,049 on the left. 2031 03:08:14,384 --> 03:08:19,133 The National Salvation Committee of Lithuania 2032 03:08:20,009 --> 03:08:23,467 is the government of the common folk. 2033 03:08:23,801 --> 03:08:28,425 The government of workers, peasants, public servants. 2034 03:08:30,676 --> 03:08:34,217 They probably thought that the crowd would disperse. 2035 03:08:35,300 --> 03:08:36,425 Obviously. 2036 03:08:36,551 --> 03:08:40,086 They were very well equipped 2037 03:08:41,210 --> 03:08:43,460 and had military superiority. 2038 03:08:43,634 --> 03:08:47,175 They fired into the air or at the ground, 2039 03:08:47,259 --> 03:08:51,884 but then started firing straight ahead, when the crowd didn't disperse. 2040 03:08:52,133 --> 03:08:55,551 Tanks were used to crush people. 2041 03:08:56,092 --> 03:09:01,968 People should have run away 2042 03:09:02,676 --> 03:09:05,842 when they saw the level of violence. 2043 03:09:05,926 --> 03:09:08,092 But they did not budge, 2044 03:09:08,759 --> 03:09:10,934 they kept blocking the way, 2045 03:09:11,217 --> 03:09:16,133 dragged people out from under the wheels, 2046 03:09:17,259 --> 03:09:23,120 all the while cursing the attackers as fascists. 2047 03:09:24,425 --> 03:09:27,926 Who was commanding the military operation? 2048 03:09:28,175 --> 03:09:32,213 Vilnius' Commandant Uskhopchik 2049 03:09:33,790 --> 03:09:37,450 was present so he got blamed, 2050 03:09:39,311 --> 03:09:41,467 and later he was used as a scapegoat, 2051 03:09:42,050 --> 03:09:44,546 as if he had given the order. 2052 03:09:45,384 --> 03:09:48,283 But a special team was sent 2053 03:09:48,353 --> 03:09:50,776 by President Gorbachev himself, 2054 03:09:50,842 --> 03:09:52,512 an assault troop called "Alpha", 2055 03:09:53,175 --> 03:09:57,291 that only operated on his say-so. 2056 03:09:58,467 --> 03:10:02,411 At that moment their leader was. 2057 03:10:04,669 --> 03:10:06,768 Colonel Golovatov, 2058 03:10:08,467 --> 03:10:12,408 who was later involved in a very interesting international story. 2059 03:10:13,634 --> 03:10:18,634 So Golovatov gave them orders about what to seize and how to do it: 2060 03:10:20,781 --> 03:10:25,230 to seize the buildings by firing at them, 2061 03:10:26,057 --> 03:10:29,292 and at the windows, by bursting in, 2062 03:10:29,717 --> 03:10:34,717 and if necessary, by firing at people too. 2063 03:10:37,683 --> 03:10:42,683 The order was "to clear the entrances". 2064 03:10:45,092 --> 03:10:48,384 How do you clear the entrances with crowds of people everywhere? 2065 03:10:48,634 --> 03:10:53,634 By saying, "to hell with those people, kill them". 2066 03:10:55,061 --> 03:10:57,158 So they cleared the entrances 2067 03:11:01,395 --> 03:11:04,516 to enable them to carry out the order 2068 03:11:05,676 --> 03:11:08,133 to take over radio and TV. 2069 03:11:09,714 --> 03:11:13,259 Golovatov was in command of "Alpha" 2070 03:11:13,300 --> 03:11:17,175 but he had no authority to order the attack. 2071 03:11:17,259 --> 03:11:22,217 He said himself, "It's nonsense to blame me. 2072 03:11:22,425 --> 03:11:23,759 There was a Commander-in-Chief!" 2073 03:11:23,801 --> 03:11:24,801 And who was that? 2074 03:11:24,842 --> 03:11:25,852 Gorbachev! 2075 03:11:58,537 --> 03:11:59,537 Fascists! 2076 03:12:00,185 --> 03:12:01,185 Fascists! 2077 03:12:32,978 --> 03:12:34,844 ...d'you understand, you bloody lout? 2078 03:13:03,525 --> 03:13:04,778 Let's get in front! 2079 03:13:21,720 --> 03:13:22,939 Clear out! 2080 03:13:37,116 --> 03:13:38,116 I'm not armed! 2081 03:13:39,023 --> 03:13:40,649 Why are you doing this? 2082 03:13:46,194 --> 03:13:47,194 Get lost! 2083 03:13:47,210 --> 03:13:48,110 Go home! 2084 03:13:48,132 --> 03:13:49,132 Get lost, I'm telling you! 2085 03:13:49,179 --> 03:13:50,527 Go home! 2086 03:14:01,294 --> 03:14:02,815 You're worse than animals! 2087 03:14:09,967 --> 03:14:10,967 Split up. 2088 03:14:11,068 --> 03:14:12,184 Disperse! 2089 03:14:17,807 --> 03:14:19,088 Get out of here. 2090 03:14:20,104 --> 03:14:21,104 Out! 2091 03:14:21,338 --> 03:14:22,338 Out! 2092 03:14:27,695 --> 03:14:28,910 Disperse! 2093 03:14:38,063 --> 03:14:39,063 Stop! 2094 03:14:39,528 --> 03:14:41,370 Don't degrade yourselves in front of them! 2095 03:15:08,092 --> 03:15:10,676 Holy Mary, Mother of God, 2096 03:15:10,717 --> 03:15:12,883 pray for us sinners now, 2097 03:15:12,884 --> 03:15:15,676 and at the hour of our death. Amen. 2098 03:15:15,717 --> 03:15:19,175 Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. 2099 03:15:19,676 --> 03:15:22,926 Blessed art thou among women, blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 2100 03:15:23,842 --> 03:15:26,384 Holy Mary, Mother of God, 2101 03:15:26,425 --> 03:15:28,467 pray for us sinners now, 2102 03:15:28,509 --> 03:15:31,217 and at the hour of our death. Amen. 2103 03:15:31,300 --> 03:15:33,634 Hail Mary, full of Grace, 2104 03:15:33,676 --> 03:15:35,175 The Lord is with thee. 2105 03:15:35,259 --> 03:15:39,259 Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 2106 03:15:39,467 --> 03:15:41,926 Holy Mary, Mother of God, 2107 03:15:42,009 --> 03:15:44,217 pray for us sinners now, 2108 03:15:44,300 --> 03:15:47,050 and at the hour of our death. Amen. 2109 03:15:47,509 --> 03:15:49,842 Hail Mary, Full of Grace, 2110 03:15:49,926 --> 03:15:51,425 The Lord is with thee. 2111 03:15:51,717 --> 03:15:55,717 Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 2112 03:15:55,801 --> 03:15:58,009 Holy Mary, Mother of God, 2113 03:15:58,300 --> 03:15:59,759 pray for us sinners now... 2114 03:16:01,300 --> 03:16:03,592 Afanasyev is calling from Moscow. 2115 03:16:04,049 --> 03:16:05,634 Yuri Nikolaevich, 2116 03:16:06,009 --> 03:16:08,092 we have a lot of casualties that we already know of. 2117 03:16:08,175 --> 03:16:11,049 The Chairman is filling him in on current developments. 2118 03:16:11,509 --> 03:16:13,634 As of yet, we are uncertain about the number of fatalities, 2119 03:16:13,676 --> 03:16:16,509 but there are bound to be some. 2120 03:16:18,523 --> 03:16:20,384 They've taken over the TV tower 2121 03:16:20,425 --> 03:16:23,884 now they’re taking over the Central Telegraph... 2122 03:16:23,926 --> 03:16:27,009 There are lots of ambulances at the Supreme Council. 2123 03:16:27,551 --> 03:16:29,050 I've called... 2124 03:16:29,300 --> 03:16:32,009 Lots of ambulances everywhere not only at the Supreme... 2125 03:16:32,133 --> 03:16:34,092 ...in Gorbachev's reception room 2126 03:16:34,926 --> 03:16:39,926 and asked for him to be informed immediately about the military action 2127 03:16:40,842 --> 03:16:45,133 that has started in the city with tanks, armoured vehicles and armed troops. 2128 03:16:45,634 --> 03:16:47,551 Give me the information! 2129 03:16:47,592 --> 03:16:50,384 ...approaching the TV tower, 2130 03:16:50,425 --> 03:16:53,049 which is being defended by a large crowd. It's a highly dangerous situation. 2131 03:16:53,050 --> 03:16:56,968 I've urgently requested that he halt the operation, 2132 03:16:57,049 --> 03:17:00,425 to prevent bloodshed. 2133 03:17:01,592 --> 03:17:03,592 - Do you understand Russian? - Yes. 2134 03:17:03,884 --> 03:17:07,133 I advise you to leave this building. 2135 03:17:07,884 --> 03:17:10,467 Your lives are at risk if you stay here. 2136 03:17:10,968 --> 03:17:13,849 That night. 2137 03:17:15,685 --> 03:17:18,881 Lithuania’s Supreme Council made an appeal 2138 03:17:19,384 --> 03:17:23,634 to governments worldwide: 2139 03:17:25,884 --> 03:17:30,884 “The Soviet Union has begun an undeclared war 2140 03:17:31,050 --> 03:17:33,133 against the Republic of Lithuania. 2141 03:17:37,050 --> 03:17:41,884 Innocent lives are being lost" and so on. 2142 03:17:42,926 --> 03:17:44,327 So this is... 2143 03:17:47,206 --> 03:17:48,840 the first confirmation. 2144 03:17:50,009 --> 03:17:54,217 People in Moscow tried to spin it 2145 03:17:54,509 --> 03:17:56,968 the other way. "Lithuania has declared war against..." 2146 03:17:59,993 --> 03:18:04,516 Lithuania explained its position... 2147 03:18:05,509 --> 03:18:10,049 Far from declaring war, Lithuania was the one being attacked. 2148 03:18:10,968 --> 03:18:12,842 But they went claiming 2149 03:18:12,884 --> 03:18:15,259 that Lithuania had declared war against the USSR! 2150 03:18:15,384 --> 03:18:18,936 Yes, as if we were complete idiots and had attacked the USSR... 2151 03:18:20,289 --> 03:18:24,695 Somehow we survived 2152 03:18:25,446 --> 03:18:26,766 the 13th of January 2153 03:18:27,467 --> 03:18:31,894 and managed to stop 2154 03:18:31,995 --> 03:18:33,861 further aggression, 2155 03:18:34,050 --> 03:18:36,884 and they saw the impasse they were in. 2156 03:18:39,049 --> 03:18:43,089 One high-ranking officer in Vilnius 2157 03:18:43,407 --> 03:18:47,717 said, off the record, but very vividly, when asked, 2158 03:18:48,050 --> 03:18:51,356 “Why didn't you take the Supreme Council?” 2159 03:18:54,842 --> 03:18:58,042 "It would have been a bloodbath". 2160 03:19:43,592 --> 03:19:44,968 Put it next to the bus. 2161 03:19:45,092 --> 03:19:46,592 Next to the bus. 2162 03:19:54,592 --> 03:19:55,884 You have to leave a passage. 2163 03:19:57,634 --> 03:19:59,551 - OK... - People, who's in charge here? 2164 03:20:00,259 --> 03:20:01,124 The crowd! 2165 03:20:01,149 --> 03:20:03,876 I won't be able to get it to the militia if you pile stuff up here. 2166 03:20:03,884 --> 03:20:05,133 We'll need some more... 2167 03:21:02,425 --> 03:21:04,592 ...lines from the Bible. 2168 03:21:06,049 --> 03:21:09,884 It impressed me deeply and helped me. 2169 03:21:10,676 --> 03:21:13,676 I put my faith in God's hands. 2170 03:22:07,829 --> 03:22:09,078 President, 2171 03:22:10,801 --> 03:22:12,676 look at your hands. 2172 03:22:15,592 --> 03:22:17,954 Look into your heart. 2173 03:22:22,425 --> 03:22:24,816 If you were powerless, 2174 03:22:26,603 --> 03:22:31,509 why are you shielding these killers 2175 03:22:32,795 --> 03:22:34,166 with your name? 2176 03:22:36,133 --> 03:22:39,069 If you had the power to stop them, 2177 03:22:39,974 --> 03:22:41,651 why didn't you? 2178 03:22:44,370 --> 03:22:45,909 Where is your country going? 2179 03:22:50,009 --> 03:22:54,968 It's heading towards an abyss, and could drag the whole world into it. 2180 03:22:55,923 --> 03:22:57,635 Why would you do that? 2181 03:23:01,996 --> 03:23:07,787 Stop the massacre if you can. 2182 03:23:09,152 --> 03:23:10,869 A Nobel Peace Prize M. S. Gorbachev. 2183 03:23:11,009 --> 03:23:16,009 My precious motherland, 2184 03:23:20,300 --> 03:23:24,759 A land where heroes 2185 03:23:25,217 --> 03:23:29,926 sleep in your graves, 2186 03:23:31,509 --> 03:23:35,884 The ancient battles 2187 03:23:36,092 --> 03:23:41,092 weren't fought in vain! 2188 03:23:42,050 --> 03:23:47,050 The songs of praise 2189 03:23:47,159 --> 03:23:52,133 were not composed in vain! 2190 03:23:52,634 --> 03:23:57,133 The ancient battles 2191 03:23:57,551 --> 03:24:02,551 weren't fought in vain! 2192 03:24:03,217 --> 03:24:07,759 The songs of praise 2193 03:24:07,926 --> 03:24:12,801 were not composed in vain! 2194 03:24:13,372 --> 03:24:16,049 And yet Gorbachev didn't dare 2195 03:24:17,033 --> 03:24:19,642 to give this command, to follow through. 2196 03:24:20,509 --> 03:24:25,509 He even had to express his disagreement publicly. 2197 03:24:26,592 --> 03:24:28,381 Although the same morning 2198 03:24:34,968 --> 03:24:39,537 he had held some discussion with his aides, 2199 03:24:40,509 --> 03:24:44,050 who had persuaded him that the only way out was for him 2200 03:24:44,884 --> 03:24:47,676 to go to Vilnius himself, 2201 03:24:49,300 --> 03:24:52,066 and make an appearance at Parliament, 2202 03:24:53,050 --> 03:24:55,592 and say that there has been a mistake, 2203 03:24:55,842 --> 03:24:58,009 that someone on the spot has got it wrong, 2204 03:24:58,467 --> 03:25:02,175 that we regret it, we are sorry, we will punish the culprits, 2205 03:25:02,717 --> 03:25:06,454 and that Lithuania has the right to independence. 2206 03:25:08,926 --> 03:25:12,454 Let's shake hands and depart in peace. 2207 03:25:13,050 --> 03:25:15,968 Even though it’s a bloodstained peace, 2208 03:25:16,050 --> 03:25:18,384 and it must never happen again. 2209 03:25:19,133 --> 03:25:22,676 The aides persuaded him, he said, “write me a speech”, 2210 03:25:24,300 --> 03:25:26,154 and ordered a plane to be made ready. 2211 03:25:26,759 --> 03:25:28,759 The aides wrote the speech, 2212 03:25:29,092 --> 03:25:32,049 but something happened overnight. 2213 03:25:32,676 --> 03:25:34,916 When they brought him the speech, 2214 03:25:35,174 --> 03:25:38,854 he put it away in a box, 2215 03:25:38,968 --> 03:25:41,455 because he wouldn’t be needing it. 2216 03:25:42,801 --> 03:25:45,332 He was forbidden to make it. 2217 03:25:48,259 --> 03:25:52,009 It would have looked as if... It's a pity the blood had been shed - 2218 03:25:52,467 --> 03:25:55,717 it would've looked as if, either directly or indirectly, 2219 03:25:55,884 --> 03:25:58,522 he was following our suggestion: 2220 03:26:00,300 --> 03:26:02,759 "Don't follow in Stalin’s footsteps. 2221 03:26:03,676 --> 03:26:06,477 Stalin’s criminal actions were condemned, 2222 03:26:07,509 --> 03:26:11,977 but if you do the right thing, Lithuania will build you a monument”. 2223 03:26:14,175 --> 03:26:15,842 But he didn't want to do that, 2224 03:26:16,092 --> 03:26:20,530 or more probably, wasn't allowed to, the security service stopped it. 2225 03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:07,079 Grant to them eternal rest, O Lord! 2226 03:29:08,089 --> 03:29:13,089 Let eternal light shine upon them. 2227 03:29:16,254 --> 03:29:21,170 Because God is merciful, 2228 03:29:21,565 --> 03:29:26,256 and full of grace. 2229 03:29:29,427 --> 03:29:32,678 Requiem. 2230 03:30:00,243 --> 03:30:01,381 Do not cry. 2231 03:30:02,907 --> 03:30:04,107 Do not cry. 2232 03:30:05,189 --> 03:30:06,443 Do not be sad. 2233 03:30:07,750 --> 03:30:11,118 Today we must shed tears for those 2234 03:30:11,918 --> 03:30:15,468 who’ve been fostering lies 2235 03:30:16,157 --> 03:30:20,141 and violence for 50 years, 2236 03:30:20,679 --> 03:30:25,304 who robbed our homeland of independence. 2237 03:30:26,036 --> 03:30:29,744 We needn't cry for those 2238 03:30:30,126 --> 03:30:33,792 whom we are laying to rest, 2239 03:30:34,167 --> 03:30:36,500 or those whom we cannot lay to rest. 2240 03:30:36,930 --> 03:30:38,679 They are our pride. 2241 03:30:39,459 --> 03:30:41,241 They are our joy. 2242 03:31:01,959 --> 03:31:06,959 Hail Mary, Full of Grace. 2243 03:31:09,209 --> 03:31:13,084 The Lord is with thee. 2244 03:31:13,959 --> 03:31:18,959 Blessed art thou among women, 2245 03:31:20,500 --> 03:31:25,500 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 2246 03:31:27,174 --> 03:31:29,636 Holy Mary, 2247 03:31:29,706 --> 03:31:34,145 Mother of God 2248 03:31:34,902 --> 03:31:39,235 pray for us sinners now, 2249 03:31:39,906 --> 03:31:44,906 and at the hour of our death. 2250 03:31:45,862 --> 03:31:47,779 Amen. 2251 03:31:49,312 --> 03:31:54,312 Grant to them eternal rest, O Lord. 2252 03:31:57,709 --> 03:32:01,395 Let light perpetual 2253 03:32:01,845 --> 03:32:05,530 shine upon them. 2254 03:32:41,112 --> 03:32:43,571 It was a complete shambles. 2255 03:32:44,532 --> 03:32:48,281 Gorbachev was tossing this way and that, 2256 03:32:48,957 --> 03:32:50,846 still unable to decide what to do, 2257 03:32:54,654 --> 03:32:58,441 so the deputy minister of Foreign Affairs, was authorised - 2258 03:32:59,117 --> 03:33:00,894 I still have his name somewhere - 2259 03:33:01,736 --> 03:33:05,730 to summon the Western ambassadors 2260 03:33:05,750 --> 03:33:08,167 including the American ambassador, 2261 03:33:10,509 --> 03:33:12,738 and he read from a sheet of paper, 2262 03:33:12,984 --> 03:33:15,694 in a trembling voice, 2263 03:33:16,500 --> 03:33:20,583 that he was authorised to inform the world 2264 03:33:22,377 --> 03:33:25,017 that Gorbachev personally had nothing to do with it, 2265 03:33:26,220 --> 03:33:31,073 he knew nothing about what was going on. 2266 03:33:34,890 --> 03:33:39,499 Some local leaders and forces 2267 03:33:39,638 --> 03:33:43,488 were to blame. 2268 03:33:46,496 --> 03:33:49,419 And those Soviet troops 2269 03:33:49,974 --> 03:33:53,563 who had fired on defenceless people, 2270 03:33:54,849 --> 03:33:59,155 had not received any orders 2271 03:33:59,304 --> 03:34:02,130 from the highest authorities in the USSR. 2272 03:34:04,909 --> 03:34:07,916 After listening to this nonsense, 2273 03:34:08,837 --> 03:34:14,443 the American ambassador, Matlock, 2274 03:34:14,667 --> 03:34:17,917 very reasonably and modestly asked, 2275 03:34:17,959 --> 03:34:22,959 "So you're going to find the guilty men 2276 03:34:23,459 --> 03:34:26,292 and then punish them, right?" 2277 03:34:29,171 --> 03:34:30,888 Nobody answered, "Right", 2278 03:34:32,114 --> 03:34:34,540 because nobody was punished. 2279 03:34:34,985 --> 03:34:39,657 On the contrary: the troops who killed innocent people 2280 03:34:39,993 --> 03:34:41,880 were given medals for their feats 2281 03:34:43,098 --> 03:34:47,125 in the name of their native land. 2282 03:35:45,294 --> 03:35:47,081 - Hello, good afternoon... - Hello. 2283 03:35:48,467 --> 03:35:52,801 The treaty is all-encompassing, 2284 03:35:53,974 --> 03:35:57,015 we had many different obstacles, 2285 03:35:57,316 --> 03:36:00,472 so it was a very long road. 2286 03:36:01,759 --> 03:36:05,449 There were some disagreements about certain aspects, 2287 03:36:07,425 --> 03:36:11,851 but the working groups on both sides did a thorough job 2288 03:36:12,551 --> 03:36:17,551 and so, today Mr Landsbergis and I 2289 03:36:19,009 --> 03:36:22,968 added some final touches, 2290 03:36:23,801 --> 03:36:28,801 and we believe that the treaty is ready for signing. 2291 03:36:29,342 --> 03:36:34,342 We also have chosen today, the 29th of July, as the signing day. 2292 03:36:35,192 --> 03:36:39,231 I think that the signing of such a treaty 2293 03:36:40,634 --> 03:36:44,727 will push the central authorities of the Union 2294 03:36:45,634 --> 03:36:49,899 to get round the table 2295 03:36:49,931 --> 03:36:52,301 as soon as possible, and bash out a treaty 2296 03:36:52,326 --> 03:36:56,871 between the Union and the Republic of Lithuania. 2297 03:36:57,874 --> 03:37:00,088 What kind of treaty do you mean? 2298 03:37:02,049 --> 03:37:04,428 A bilateral one. 2299 03:37:05,932 --> 03:37:10,475 I can add that 2300 03:37:12,717 --> 03:37:18,007 the position of Boris Yeltsin, concerning the 13th of January 2301 03:37:18,372 --> 03:37:19,852 and his general approach 2302 03:37:21,144 --> 03:37:26,144 is obviously very important to the whole of Lithuania... 2303 03:37:29,425 --> 03:37:33,038 No other leader of a great power 2304 03:37:34,092 --> 03:37:36,676 spoke out about January 13 2305 03:37:36,912 --> 03:37:38,539 the way the leader of Russia did. 2306 03:37:40,801 --> 03:37:45,801 He expressed himself frankly 2307 03:37:48,717 --> 03:37:51,574 and according to his conscience. 2308 03:37:53,253 --> 03:37:55,551 This is what matters most to me 2309 03:37:56,384 --> 03:37:59,634 and this is why Boris Nikolayevich has my deepest admiration. 2310 03:38:00,259 --> 03:38:02,050 Now, dear colleagues, please excuse me... 2311 03:38:02,092 --> 03:38:03,676 Boris Nikolayevich and Mr Landsbergis 2312 03:38:03,717 --> 03:38:05,984 have agreed to pose together for a picture for posterity. 2313 03:38:06,904 --> 03:38:10,491 Boris Nikolayevich, as President of Russia will you be holding a press-conference? 2314 03:38:12,676 --> 03:38:14,634 - Do I need to? - Of course. 2315 03:38:15,327 --> 03:38:17,134 - Ok, I'll put it on my 'to do' list. - Use the... 2316 03:38:17,159 --> 03:38:19,242 - We'll request it, Boris Nikolayevich. - Fine. 2317 03:38:28,770 --> 03:38:33,812 The treaty we signed with Yeltsin gave us full recognition. 2318 03:38:34,676 --> 03:38:36,384 It stated that, 2319 03:38:37,592 --> 03:38:40,884 "We recognise the Russian Federation 2320 03:38:41,384 --> 03:38:45,884 as a sovereign state, 2321 03:38:46,049 --> 03:38:49,041 based on its documents 2322 03:38:49,337 --> 03:38:52,901 of the 12th June 1990, 2323 03:38:53,842 --> 03:38:56,296 and Russia recognises us, 2324 03:38:56,350 --> 03:39:00,632 according to our resolutions of March 11”. 2325 03:39:02,592 --> 03:39:07,592 Later, when the Gorbachevists 2326 03:39:09,349 --> 03:39:10,838 started muddying the water, 2327 03:39:11,300 --> 03:39:14,516 claiming that during the bloodshed 2328 03:39:14,815 --> 03:39:18,372 we weren't yet a recognised state, 2329 03:39:19,259 --> 03:39:22,759 I could point to the treaty: The President of Russia's signature 2330 03:39:23,259 --> 03:39:25,842 confirms that we were recognised on March 11, 2331 03:39:27,868 --> 03:39:32,868 and not on the day in September 1990, 2332 03:39:35,175 --> 03:39:38,342 when Gorbachev was kind enough 2333 03:39:39,154 --> 03:39:41,954 to recognise our sovereignty 2334 03:39:43,140 --> 03:39:47,745 on behalf of the Federal Soviet, of the Federation Council. 2335 03:39:50,990 --> 03:39:52,168 Whatever... 2336 03:39:52,425 --> 03:39:57,425 In July, 1991, on the eve of 2337 03:39:57,507 --> 03:40:00,612 signing the treaty with Yeltsin 2338 03:40:01,049 --> 03:40:03,592 we had already agreed all the details, 2339 03:40:03,884 --> 03:40:06,050 even the most sensitive ones, 2340 03:40:06,300 --> 03:40:11,300 which the negotiators had left for leaders and Presidents to work out. 2341 03:40:12,968 --> 03:40:15,098 There were two disputed points: 2342 03:40:16,884 --> 03:40:21,884 the 1920 peace treaty 2343 03:40:22,136 --> 03:40:25,704 between Russia and Lithuania 2344 03:40:27,041 --> 03:40:31,049 and the Soviet annexation of Lithuania. 2345 03:40:32,300 --> 03:40:35,759 They wanted the references removed 2346 03:40:36,676 --> 03:40:39,049 but I said, "I can't do that 2347 03:40:39,050 --> 03:40:41,801 without the agreement of my people and my Parliament, 2348 03:40:42,259 --> 03:40:45,717 but let's split the difference: 2349 03:40:46,175 --> 03:40:50,629 I agree to remove one point but the other one stays”. 2350 03:40:51,968 --> 03:40:56,968 So we removed the point about the peace treaty of 1920, 2351 03:40:57,801 --> 03:41:02,801 and left the one condemning the annexation, 2352 03:41:03,384 --> 03:41:08,040 the unlawful Soviet annexation of Lithuania, 2353 03:41:08,599 --> 03:41:10,122 that took place in 1940. 2354 03:41:11,425 --> 03:41:14,425 Then came the solemn moment of signing: 2355 03:41:14,801 --> 03:41:18,801 I was surrounded by my delegation and Yeltsin was surrounded by his, 2356 03:41:19,759 --> 03:41:24,759 including big shots like Khasbulatov and Gaidar, 2357 03:41:26,175 --> 03:41:30,588 and suddenly they started butting in, 2358 03:41:31,217 --> 03:41:32,482 saying, 2359 03:41:33,448 --> 03:41:38,448 “there were two stumbling blocks. 2360 03:41:39,050 --> 03:41:42,517 So, since one of them has been removed, why not get rid of the other one too?” 2361 03:41:44,801 --> 03:41:47,567 And then I felt as if I'd been trapped. 2362 03:41:49,801 --> 03:41:54,227 I couldn't refuse to sign such an important treaty, 2363 03:41:54,884 --> 03:41:58,759 even if they chose to cross something out at the last minute. 2364 03:41:59,175 --> 03:42:01,132 That's what they like to do - 2365 03:42:01,592 --> 03:42:06,768 they make last minute changes to put you in a tight spot. 2366 03:42:08,416 --> 03:42:11,127 When I sensed this trap, 2367 03:42:11,662 --> 03:42:14,502 I said to Yeltsin, who was sitting across the table from me, 2368 03:42:15,175 --> 03:42:18,342 "Boris Nikolayevich, we've already agreed this, 2369 03:42:19,175 --> 03:42:21,107 and you are a man of your word”. 2370 03:42:22,133 --> 03:42:26,731 For some reason I just blurted it out. 2371 03:42:28,634 --> 03:42:32,551 And he told them, "It's out of the question, 2372 03:42:32,759 --> 03:42:35,691 we've made an agreement and we'll stick to it." 2373 03:42:45,676 --> 03:42:48,175 The heart of Lithuania. 2374 03:43:01,717 --> 03:43:03,133 Freedom for Lithuania Marijampolė. 2375 03:43:18,509 --> 03:43:20,717 Carry them one by one. One by one... 2376 03:43:25,049 --> 03:43:26,300 Don't sweat it. 2377 03:44:04,384 --> 03:44:06,467 This is the radio of independent Lithuania speaking. 2378 03:44:06,509 --> 03:44:08,509 Here is the 5 o'clock news. 2379 03:44:08,634 --> 03:44:12,968 Deputies of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania 2380 03:44:13,133 --> 03:44:17,009 have decided to continue in special session. 2381 03:44:17,259 --> 03:44:21,692 At 18.30 they will discuss an address... 2382 03:44:43,943 --> 03:44:45,365 ...there has been a coup 2383 03:44:46,120 --> 03:44:48,345 which can only be called 2384 03:44:48,912 --> 03:44:53,600 a shameful and unlawful act in the history of our country. 2385 03:45:16,592 --> 03:45:17,592 August came. 2386 03:45:18,092 --> 03:45:23,092 There was a putsch, a revolt, in Moscow, 2387 03:45:24,425 --> 03:45:27,551 and its instigators declared 2388 03:45:27,642 --> 03:45:31,336 that power in Lithuania was back in the hands of 2389 03:45:31,774 --> 03:45:33,883 the putschists, 2390 03:45:36,739 --> 03:45:38,676 the army was under their command. 2391 03:45:43,759 --> 03:45:46,717 The commander-in-chief of the Baltic region, 2392 03:45:47,050 --> 03:45:52,050 General Fyodor Kuzmin from Riga called me and said, 2393 03:45:53,049 --> 03:45:56,217 "from now on, I run the Baltics 2394 03:45:57,597 --> 03:45:59,483 and you must 2395 03:45:59,851 --> 03:46:03,200 obey my orders". 2396 03:46:04,049 --> 03:46:09,049 I said, "I'm sorry, but we won't obey you, 2397 03:46:11,009 --> 03:46:13,104 and you'll be responsible 2398 03:46:13,384 --> 03:46:16,760 if you choose the path of aggression." 2399 03:46:17,928 --> 03:46:22,801 We already had some defensive military structures. 2400 03:46:24,133 --> 03:46:27,842 Of course, people were ready to fight, 2401 03:46:28,016 --> 03:46:29,916 even though... 2402 03:46:31,572 --> 03:46:34,657 the battle would have been purely symbolic. 2403 03:46:35,259 --> 03:46:38,036 But we chose to have a political battle. 2404 03:46:39,050 --> 03:46:43,759 During the first session of the Parliament 2405 03:46:44,049 --> 03:46:48,050 we expressed wholehearted support for democratic Russia 2406 03:46:48,634 --> 03:46:49,634 and its... 2407 03:46:54,676 --> 03:46:59,133 legal authority vested in Boris Yeltsin. 2408 03:47:00,175 --> 03:47:02,367 We are on Russia's side, 2409 03:47:04,300 --> 03:47:06,206 and not on the side of the Kremlin putsch. 2410 03:47:07,870 --> 03:47:12,553 Lithuania didn't falter for a single moment, 2411 03:47:13,676 --> 03:47:16,295 and had no intention 2412 03:47:16,583 --> 03:47:21,756 of negotiating with the putschists. 2413 03:47:23,592 --> 03:47:27,770 They might be able to destroy us, 2414 03:47:27,809 --> 03:47:29,162 but not Lithuania. 2415 03:47:39,968 --> 03:47:42,634 What was the outcome of your speech with the chairman? 2416 03:47:44,842 --> 03:47:45,842 It's hard to say. 2417 03:47:46,092 --> 03:47:48,676 When will the radio and TV buildings be given back? 2418 03:47:48,717 --> 03:47:49,968 When I receive the order. 2419 03:47:50,009 --> 03:47:51,009 Thank you. 2420 03:48:12,820 --> 03:48:14,682 Leave the street, so they can pass! 2421 03:48:24,570 --> 03:48:27,387 Dear people, please move to the sidewalk. 2422 03:48:27,637 --> 03:48:28,818 I can see from here 2423 03:48:29,305 --> 03:48:31,315 that there's plenty of space. 2424 03:49:02,721 --> 03:49:04,057 Get into your vehicles! 2425 03:50:17,698 --> 03:50:18,847 Lithuania! 2426 03:50:39,177 --> 03:50:40,177 Freedom! 2427 03:50:40,232 --> 03:50:41,232 Hurrah! 2428 03:50:45,307 --> 03:50:46,808 They've finally gone! 2429 03:50:51,430 --> 03:50:52,483 Lithuania! 2430 03:51:03,759 --> 03:51:07,867 We learned all the details only later; 2431 03:51:09,049 --> 03:51:14,049 most probably, it was agreed a priori with President Gorbachev, 2432 03:51:15,425 --> 03:51:19,906 who went on holiday on the eve [of the putsch] 2433 03:51:20,300 --> 03:51:22,711 although this day was intended 2434 03:51:22,842 --> 03:51:27,556 as the dawn of a new agreement for the Union, 2435 03:51:29,425 --> 03:51:31,908 which Gorbachev had been pinning all his hopes on. 2436 03:51:33,467 --> 03:51:36,884 And he just washes his hands of it, and goes off on holiday. 2437 03:51:38,300 --> 03:51:43,300 This had to be interpreted as his capitulation 2438 03:51:44,509 --> 03:51:49,050 in the face of inner challenges 2439 03:51:49,425 --> 03:51:54,425 which he was incapable of coping with. 2440 03:51:55,251 --> 03:51:59,300 He had to admit that times had changed, 2441 03:51:59,394 --> 03:52:01,220 and that relations had to be different, 2442 03:52:01,467 --> 03:52:06,467 and that if he wanted to survive, he had to lead the Soviet Union 2443 03:52:07,634 --> 03:52:10,932 and Russia on the new path, 2444 03:52:11,369 --> 03:52:14,005 that Yeltsin was creating. 2445 03:52:17,842 --> 03:52:22,092 But it was unbearable for Gorbachev to cooperate with Yeltsin, 2446 03:52:23,217 --> 03:52:25,580 and he couldn't force himself 2447 03:52:26,385 --> 03:52:29,841 to stand side by side with Yeltsin. 2448 03:52:33,175 --> 03:52:37,824 He was, and still is, inclined 2449 03:52:37,895 --> 03:52:39,286 to damn Yeltsin 2450 03:52:40,467 --> 03:52:43,876 for the decline and fall [of the Union]. 2451 03:52:45,908 --> 03:52:50,206 He still doesn't realise that his own inadequacy 2452 03:52:51,425 --> 03:52:53,929 is to blame. 2453 03:53:16,425 --> 03:53:19,425 The homeland is calling you, 2454 03:53:19,884 --> 03:53:24,259 Lithuania will be free once again... 2455 03:54:01,384 --> 03:54:03,217 My dear 2456 03:54:04,009 --> 03:54:09,009 free citizens of our free land! 2457 03:54:11,209 --> 03:54:13,045 Finally the day dawned, 2458 03:54:13,755 --> 03:54:18,755 the day we knew would surely come, 2459 03:54:20,342 --> 03:54:22,342 because we believed 2460 03:54:22,766 --> 03:54:25,630 in a Higher justice. 2461 03:54:26,634 --> 03:54:30,758 I remember three years ago in Vilnius, 2462 03:54:30,759 --> 03:54:34,049 in the Cathedral square, when Sąjūdis was born, 2463 03:54:34,759 --> 03:54:36,665 when the Lithuanian anthem 2464 03:54:36,876 --> 03:54:40,906 rang out from thousands of hearts 2465 03:54:42,425 --> 03:54:47,217 and many of us shed a tear, especially the elderly who said then, 2466 03:54:47,801 --> 03:54:52,384 "Thank you God, for letting me live to see this day". 2467 03:54:53,175 --> 03:54:55,592 But that was three years ago. 2468 03:54:56,217 --> 03:54:58,943 Then the barricades and the chains 2469 03:54:59,553 --> 03:55:03,017 started to fall away. 2470 03:55:03,259 --> 03:55:05,342 It was only the beginning of the road. 2471 03:55:05,759 --> 03:55:10,759 But freedom, and faith were already in our hearts, 2472 03:55:12,009 --> 03:55:14,676 and the conviction that there was no other way. 2473 03:55:15,717 --> 03:55:19,342 Today nobody doubts anymore, 2474 03:55:19,676 --> 03:55:24,342 that Lithuania is a free, independent state! 2475 03:55:37,133 --> 03:55:39,696 If stalinists, putschists 2476 03:55:39,759 --> 03:55:45,056 led by Yanayev or any other dictatorship had returned, 2477 03:55:45,827 --> 03:55:50,050 and Europe had been forced, 2478 03:55:50,096 --> 03:55:54,331 or had felt obliged 2479 03:55:54,822 --> 03:55:56,676 to recognise this putschist government 2480 03:55:57,049 --> 03:56:00,384 for the sake of world peace, 2481 03:56:01,016 --> 03:56:04,098 that would have meant curtains 2482 03:56:04,371 --> 03:56:06,961 for everybody who opposed them, 2483 03:56:08,215 --> 03:56:11,092 including the rebels of Lithuania. 2484 03:56:13,009 --> 03:56:15,259 And the West would have to bear with it 2485 03:56:17,842 --> 03:56:22,842 or would have asked permission to visit those who had been arrested, 2486 03:56:25,759 --> 03:56:27,167 to check if they were still alive, 2487 03:56:29,574 --> 03:56:32,645 or not. 2488 03:56:39,467 --> 03:56:41,666 But the putsch had its consequences, 2489 03:56:42,842 --> 03:56:44,855 which exist to this day. 2490 03:56:47,342 --> 03:56:51,675 Even Yeltsin wasn't able to punish them 2491 03:56:53,092 --> 03:56:55,634 because of internal resistance, 2492 03:56:55,676 --> 03:57:00,056 i.e. support for the defeated putschists. 2493 03:57:01,133 --> 03:57:05,946 They had very strong support, so Yeltsin compromised 2494 03:57:08,049 --> 03:57:10,634 by declaring a kind of amnesty, 2495 03:57:12,968 --> 03:57:15,342 although they were traitors. 2496 03:57:19,968 --> 03:57:24,717 So they are as strong as ever 2497 03:57:26,884 --> 03:57:28,059 in the structures of power, 2498 03:57:29,572 --> 03:57:32,978 in influencing policy, 2499 03:57:33,797 --> 03:57:36,046 and that is still going on today. 2500 03:57:37,467 --> 03:57:40,208 Now they have almost heroic status... 2501 03:57:46,217 --> 03:57:49,778 They fought for things they thought needed to be fought for, 2502 03:57:50,592 --> 03:57:53,133 what Gorbachev wasn't able to fight for... 2503 03:57:53,856 --> 03:57:56,886 They tried to do it instead of Gorbachev. 2504 03:57:58,425 --> 03:57:59,592 Well done, guys! 2505 03:58:10,758 --> 03:58:12,556 I request the Chief of Protocol 2506 03:58:12,836 --> 03:58:15,006 to escort the delegation of the Republic of Lithuania 2507 03:58:15,257 --> 03:58:18,678 to its place in the General Assembly Hall. 2508 03:58:32,119 --> 03:58:33,119 Distinguished delegates, 2509 03:58:33,822 --> 03:58:35,600 I have the pleasure of welcoming 2510 03:58:36,920 --> 03:58:42,145 the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the Republic of Korea, 2511 03:58:42,940 --> 03:58:45,552 the Federated States of Micronesia, 2512 03:58:46,177 --> 03:58:47,361 Marshall Islands, 2513 03:58:48,283 --> 03:58:52,684 Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania 2514 03:58:52,839 --> 03:58:57,183 as members of the United Nations. 2515 03:59:07,461 --> 03:59:09,781 The Assembly will now hear an address 2516 03:59:10,375 --> 03:59:13,641 by the President of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania, 2517 03:59:15,243 --> 03:59:21,121 His Excellency Mr Vytautas Landsbergis. 2518 03:59:21,382 --> 03:59:24,940 I request the Chief of Protocol to escort His Excellency the President. 2519 03:59:36,952 --> 03:59:39,725 On behalf of the General Assembly, I have the honour to welcome 2520 03:59:40,887 --> 03:59:44,040 to the United Nations 2521 03:59:45,160 --> 03:59:47,760 the President of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania, 2522 03:59:48,799 --> 03:59:52,439 His Excellency Mr Vytautas Landsbergis, 2523 03:59:52,784 --> 03:59:54,532 and to invite him to address the Assembly. 2524 03:59:54,799 --> 03:59:56,291 You have the floor, Mr Landsbergis. 2525 04:00:12,833 --> 04:00:15,360 The independent states of the world 2526 04:00:16,324 --> 04:00:20,519 which founded and fostered the UN 2527 04:00:21,677 --> 04:00:23,940 have today welcomed Lithuania into the family of nations. 2528 04:00:26,421 --> 04:00:32,084 So Lithuania, a European state for eight centuries, 2529 04:00:32,842 --> 04:00:37,420 which its neighbour wiped off the map twice in the last 200 years, 2530 04:00:37,795 --> 04:00:41,900 today rises from the ashes, 2531 04:00:42,056 --> 04:00:45,025 like the mythical phoenix. 2532 04:00:47,751 --> 04:00:53,521 But Lithuania has been reborn not only from the ashes of WWII, 2533 04:00:54,900 --> 04:00:59,068 Lithuania was reborn from the sufferings and struggle of her people, 2534 04:01:00,080 --> 04:01:02,340 from their faith and their labours. 2535 04:01:04,694 --> 04:01:08,721 What did our country have faith in for the last decades, 2536 04:01:09,840 --> 04:01:13,241 when crude force and cynical pragmatism 2537 04:01:14,157 --> 04:01:17,220 took away the faith of many in what the world might be? 2538 04:01:19,058 --> 04:01:24,178 Our country had faith in fundamentals: truth and justice. 2539 04:01:25,654 --> 04:01:28,721 I can say this: 2540 04:01:28,808 --> 04:01:31,780 oppression and lies exist, but they are temporary, 2541 04:01:32,457 --> 04:01:37,740 and falsehood cannot reign for ever. 2542 04:01:40,902 --> 04:01:42,736 Did you want to be a politician? 2543 04:01:43,801 --> 04:01:44,821 Well, no. 2544 04:01:48,045 --> 04:01:51,629 I wanted to be an ordinary person! 2545 04:01:52,425 --> 04:01:54,300 ...to study music, 2546 04:01:54,384 --> 04:01:57,425 to bring up my children, to have a family, 2547 04:01:57,551 --> 04:02:02,362 just to stay out of trouble and not end up in Siberia. 2548 04:02:05,133 --> 04:02:08,384 That was as far as my dreams went. 2549 04:02:09,425 --> 04:02:13,676 But why did you choose to abandon the eternal verities 2550 04:02:14,050 --> 04:02:16,509 in favour of the here and now? 2551 04:02:17,393 --> 04:02:19,079 Because... 2552 04:02:19,845 --> 04:02:23,017 that's life. 2553 04:02:26,259 --> 04:02:30,886 One of my acquaintances, a writer of children's books, 2554 04:02:32,259 --> 04:02:35,124 has written a few books 2555 04:02:37,117 --> 04:02:39,547 about a brown bear cub. 2556 04:02:42,592 --> 04:02:46,098 And that cub 2557 04:02:46,887 --> 04:02:48,995 also had a philosophical insight, 2558 04:02:50,133 --> 04:02:51,277 which he expressed as: 2559 04:02:52,386 --> 04:02:57,346 "Everything would be fine, if it wasn't for this life". 2560 04:03:01,884 --> 04:03:06,217 So, we have trouble living life and we agonise over it. 2561 04:03:08,233 --> 04:03:09,350 Was it scary? 2562 04:03:10,392 --> 04:03:11,392 No. 2563 04:03:15,049 --> 04:03:17,801 It was painful 2564 04:03:19,802 --> 04:03:21,553 when we got the news 2565 04:03:22,029 --> 04:03:26,657 about people being killed at the TV tower. 2566 04:03:31,717 --> 04:03:36,175 And we didn't know how many - hundreds, even thousands, could be killed, 2567 04:03:36,217 --> 04:03:38,259 because there was a huge crowd 2568 04:03:38,676 --> 04:03:41,300 and they were determined to stay put, 2569 04:03:42,425 --> 04:03:44,707 even at the cost of their lives. 2570 04:03:46,676 --> 04:03:50,002 Anybody could have easily said, 2571 04:03:50,658 --> 04:03:54,129 "you are to blame". 2572 04:03:54,551 --> 04:03:58,342 The aggressor also tried to put it like that: 2573 04:03:58,717 --> 04:04:00,425 “Why didn't you surrender?” 2574 04:04:02,300 --> 04:04:06,304 It wasn't just us who didn't surrender - those people didn't surrender. 2575 04:04:08,175 --> 04:04:09,999 If, despite their will 2576 04:04:11,655 --> 04:04:16,242 to defend their honour, we had surrendered, 2577 04:04:16,551 --> 04:04:17,881 we would have been traitors, 2578 04:04:20,009 --> 04:04:23,009 unworthy of respect or support, 2579 04:04:23,259 --> 04:04:28,362 but their hopes for a better world 2580 04:04:28,803 --> 04:04:30,281 would have perished too, of course. 2581 04:04:31,676 --> 04:04:36,676 And the world - their world and perhaps the wider world - 2582 04:04:37,425 --> 04:04:39,566 would have sunk into despair. 2583 04:04:42,049 --> 04:04:43,884 But we fought to defend our hope. 2584 04:04:47,551 --> 04:04:50,342 My first political book 2585 04:04:54,342 --> 04:04:56,454 was also about hope; its title is: 2586 04:04:57,485 --> 04:05:00,363 "Those Who Found Hope".205198

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