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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,876 {\an3}My grandfather lived in Holmby Hills, which is the neighborhood 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,036 {\an3}right between Wilshire Boulevard and Sunset in Westwood. 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,280 {\an3}It's the elite of the elite. 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,716 {\an3}And now we are going to come up on the right side, 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,275 {\an3}is my grandfather's house. 6 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:35,836 {\an3}There's his house, and we would park right here in front 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,000 {\an3}and then we would get up and race up the stairs. 8 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,359 {\an3}And that front window was Grandpa's office. 9 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,715 {\an3}As President of Occidental Petroleum, Armand Hammer, 10 00:00:49,799 --> 00:00:54,355 {\an3}turned it into the 11th largest oil company in the United States. 11 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:58,436 {\an3}The Hammer name wielded a lot of prestige and power. 12 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,516 {\an3}And the two grandchildren, Michael and Casey, 13 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,836 {\an3}would you please stand up. 14 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,155 {\an3}We were always hanging out with royalty at these parties. 15 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:09,075 {\an3}And we would get training 16 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:13,435 {\an3}and you would learn how to address the royalty. 17 00:01:13,519 --> 00:01:19,836 {\an3}It was just this secret society, kind of inner circle of the elite. 18 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,355 {\an3}How on earth do they expect us 19 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:27,000 {\an3}to get anything done without money? 20 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:32,036 {\an3}People were so curious about that lifestyle, 21 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,319 {\an3}about all that wealth. 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,235 {\an3}On the outside, we were a perfect family. 23 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,515 {\an8}- Hi, Casey! - Come on in. 24 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:43,840 {\an3}Watch your step. 25 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:51,075 {\an3}But beneath it all was a dark world of deceit, 26 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:53,359 {\an3}betrayal, and corruption. 27 00:01:54,879 --> 00:01:56,799 {\an3}And that's why I'm coming forward. 28 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,239 {\an3}It's time to stop the cycle. 29 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:48,955 {\an3}So this is a picture of the Hammer family. 30 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:54,675 {\an3}And there's my father, Julian. 31 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:57,515 {\an3}I'm standing behind him. 32 00:02:57,599 --> 00:02:59,876 {\an3}You have my brother Michael, 33 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,835 {\an3}and then in the center of the shot is my grandfather, 34 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,479 {\an3}and he's holding Armie. 35 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,596 {\an3}How did Armie Hammer go from Hollywood Golden Boy 36 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,716 {\an3}to an alleged abuser in one evening in January? 37 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,235 {\an3}When all this came out about Armie, I was not shocked. 38 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:23,036 {\an3}Sexually graphic texts and DMs of dominating BDSM 39 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,795 {\an3}and cannibalism are trending. 40 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:29,240 {\an3}This behavior, it's deep rooted. 41 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:43,719 {\an3}My father, Julian Hammer, is Armie's grandfather. 42 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,355 {\an3}When my mother met my father they ended up in Tijuana, 43 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:51,635 {\an3}drunk on the back of a motorcycle and getting married. 44 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:56,716 {\an3}And my mother had no idea that my father was Armand Hammer's son, 45 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,276 {\an3}had no idea about the wealth, had no idea about any of it. 46 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,355 {\an3}And then, when my father got married, 47 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:06,795 {\an3}my grandfather decided that my father needed to be responsible 48 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:09,280 {\an3}now that he had a wife. 49 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,196 {\an3}I was born in 1960. 50 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,956 {\an3}We moved to Pacific Palisades, 51 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,639 {\an3}which was near the coast in California. 52 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:26,235 {\an3}But my father was such a mess. He was always drunk. 53 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:30,279 {\an3}And you just never knew what kind of condition he was in. 54 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,920 {\an3}There was a lot going on behind closed doors. 55 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:52,836 {\an3}Christmases were probably my favorite time of year. 56 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,916 {\an3}It was a big deal. It was like a department store. 57 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,079 {\an3}We all got piles and piles of Christmas presents. 58 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,315 {\an3}That's my brother Michael, Armie's father, 59 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:07,879 {\an3}and there he is riding a little motorcycle. 60 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:13,279 {\an3}I should be somewhere in there. 61 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:20,795 {\an3}I remember one year it was Christmas Eve, 62 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:22,716 {\an3}I was young, maybe five, 63 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,839 {\an3}and I still believed in Santa Claus. 64 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,040 {\an3}After I had gone to bed, I heard screaming. 65 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:38,160 {\an3}My father and mother were fighting, and he was threatening to kill her. 66 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:48,076 {\an3}My father slapped my mom really hard and I remember seeing blood splatter. 67 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,956 {\an3}She made me go back to my room 68 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,795 {\an3}and said everything was okay. 69 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:55,720 {\an3}And if I didn't go right to sleep, Santa Claus wasn't going to come. 70 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:04,396 {\an3}As a little girl, when you're seeing your mom get beat up by your father, 71 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,516 {\an3}and blood running down the front of her body, 72 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,920 {\an3}and her screaming, you don't understand. 73 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,076 {\an3}I can't tell you how many times I would get under my covers 74 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,235 {\an3}and put my fingers in my ears and sing, 75 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:22,115 {\an3}because I didn't want to hear the noise. 76 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:28,560 {\an3}I didn't want to hear the screaming because you can't make it stop. 77 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:40,519 {\an3}As we got older, my father, he got worse and worse and worse. 78 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,636 {\an3}In the middle of the night, my mom would collect me, 79 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,396 {\an3}and we would grab what we could 80 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,156 {\an3}and get in the car and drive down the hill 81 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,920 {\an3}and go to a motel... 82 00:06:56,439 --> 00:07:00,000 {\an3}And wait until the sun came up. 83 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,879 {\an3}Until my father cooled down, then we would go back to the house. 84 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:09,519 {\an3}That happened a lot. 85 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,636 {\an3}It always escalated. 86 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,600 {\an3}You didn't know what was going to happen next. 87 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,276 {\an3}My mom had been threatening to leave, but my grandfather always said, 88 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,235 {\an3}if you leave my son, I'll ruin you and make your life miserable. 89 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:29,956 {\an3}And you won't have a penny. 90 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,240 {\an3}My grandfather had powerful attorneys. 91 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,355 {\an3}The public persona turned into 92 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:41,720 {\an3}I can take everything away from you with one stroke of the pen. 93 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,636 {\an3}So it was a frightening, scary energy 94 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,516 {\an8}that my grandfather had. 95 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,240 {\an8}The Hammer family name had to be pristine. 96 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:57,476 {\an3}You couldn't be the reason for the black mark. 97 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,476 {\an3}While my grandfather was alive, 98 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,000 {\an3}you played by his rules or you got cut off. 99 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,836 {\an3}We were taught that Big Brother's always watching, 100 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,956 {\an3}you can't get away from it. 101 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,800 {\an3}My grandfather had files on anybody you dated or any of your friends. 102 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:21,675 {\an3}You would pick up your phone to talk and you'd hear a click, 103 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,959 {\an3}and you knew you were being recorded. 104 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,036 {\an3}You didn't make a move without thinking about, 105 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,720 {\an3}"What if Grandpa finds out?" 106 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,075 {\an3}Casey's grandfather controlled his family. 107 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:36,276 {\an3}He controlled everything. 108 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,435 {\an8}That has to be scary 109 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,480 {\an8}to know that there are people watching you all the time. 110 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:46,195 {\an3}Walk the straight and narrow. 111 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:48,075 {\an3}I see you. 112 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:50,720 {\an3}You don't see me, but I see you. 113 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,435 {\an3}I like to say that our lives were like a chess board 114 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:59,356 {\an3}and my grandfather basically controlled all the moves. 115 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,519 {\an3}But I had no idea about half of the things my grandfather did... 116 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:08,195 {\an3}and how powerful he really was. 117 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:09,876 {\an3}Well, look who is here. 118 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,996 {\an3}He happens to be president and CEO of Occidental Petroleum in LA. 119 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,396 {\an3}He is also one of the wealthiest men in the world. 120 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,799 {\an3}Please welcome Dr. Armand Hammer. 121 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,916 {\an3}My grandfather built an oil empire that up until his death was, 122 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,715 {\an3}I believe the 16th largest company in the world. 123 00:09:29,799 --> 00:09:32,356 {\an3}Well, that's a pretty good hand for a rich guy. 124 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,315 {\an3}Everything he touched turned to gold. 125 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,516 {\an3}I worked for Armand Hammer from 1986 to 1989 126 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,955 {\an3}as one of his political and media consultants. 127 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:50,435 {\an8}I saw him exercise access around the world. 128 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:53,559 {\an8}Which was unparalleled for a private individual. 129 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,396 {\an3}He could at will enter the Kremlin. 130 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,559 {\an8}I help him and he helps me. It is mutual. 131 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,075 {\an8}We do not discuss secrets, just business. 132 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:10,276 {\an3}Buckingham Palace, the White House, 133 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,200 {\an3}they were all at his disposal and at his bidding. 134 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:17,955 {\an3}- Mr. Hammer? - Yes. 135 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:19,996 {\an3}This is the president, how are you? 136 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,919 {\an3}Oh, hello, President Kennedy, I'm glad to hear from you again. 137 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:32,075 {\an3}I remember asking my grandfather why he wasn't president of the US, 138 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:36,555 {\an3}and he laughed and said, "There wasn't enough power in it." 139 00:10:36,639 --> 00:10:40,756 {\an3}I mean, even now people are still so fascinated. 140 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,396 {\an3}It didn't start with Armie, 141 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,756 {\an3}he is the great grandson of Armand Hammer, an oil tycoon, 142 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,315 {\an3}whose son Julian, who would be Armie's grandfather was insane. 143 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:52,516 {\an3}He beat the living daylights out of his wife... 144 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,555 {\an3}I was definitely pulling in eyeballs 145 00:10:55,639 --> 00:10:58,636 {\an3}just by sharing the things that I was looking into. 146 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,156 {\an3}I had many tips coming in and it wasn't just tips about Armie. 147 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,360 {\an3}It was tips about the whole family. 148 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,195 {\an3}By virtue of sharing the story, 149 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:12,356 {\an3}Candice and I found each other on Instagram 150 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,756 {\an3}and we started talking about the case. 151 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,396 {\an8}I didn't even know who Armand Hammer was 152 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,996 {\an8}and looking into him and his son and his son, and then Armie, 153 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,240 {\an3}it was so many people in this family that had a sordid history. 154 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:33,036 {\an3}People were absolutely dumbfounded. 155 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,156 {\an3}What are the odds that there would be so many generations of a family 156 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,315 {\an3}behaving so badly. 157 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,675 {\an3}What became readily apparent to us 158 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:44,799 {\an3}was that there was still a lot of things to uncover. 159 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,636 {\an3}My mom always said that she stayed with my father as long as she did 160 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,795 {\an3}because of my grandfather. 161 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:00,595 {\an3}So, it was a never-ending cycle for a very long time. 162 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,835 {\an3}But then finally, I was 11, and she'd had enough, 163 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,320 {\an3}and we went down the street to the motel... 164 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,480 {\an3}and this time we didn't go back. 165 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:18,036 {\an3}When my parents got divorced my grandfather kept to his word 166 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,996 {\an3}and my father destroyed my mother in court. 167 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,799 {\an3}My father ended up only paying like $200 a month child support. 168 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,955 {\an3}My mom said that the biggest regret of her life 169 00:12:32,039 --> 00:12:34,879 {\an3}was letting Michael decide to stay with my father. 170 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,600 {\an3}It was a while before my mother let me go down and visit my father. 171 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,156 {\an3}I just remember it was the house I grew up in, 172 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,320 {\an3}so it was familiar but yet there were tons of people. 173 00:12:54,799 --> 00:13:00,435 {\an3}It was a lot of drinking, a lot of smoke-filled rooms, 174 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:05,799 {\an3}a lot of screaming, loud music, a lot of drugs. 175 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:13,636 {\an3}He always had like 16 or 17-year-old girls around, 176 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,955 {\an3}not much older than I was, five or six years older, 177 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:19,475 {\an3}and he called them his housekeepers. 178 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,876 {\an3}It was code for his girlfriends. 179 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,036 {\an3}I believe it was sexual, in a sense, 180 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,555 {\an3}where they were usually sitting on each other's laps 181 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:34,519 {\an3}or kissing or fondling each other. 182 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,236 {\an3}It was almost like giant orgies. 183 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,795 {\an3}Michael, my brother, would bring his friends up to party 184 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:44,195 {\an3}and they would hit on them as well. 185 00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:47,960 {\an3}The drugs were free flowing. So it was a very free atmosphere. 186 00:13:49,879 --> 00:13:51,835 {\an8}Casey was one of my best friends. 187 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:57,356 {\an3}I don't remember when the first time I met Mike was, 188 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,679 {\an3}but he was always around. 189 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:06,516 {\an3}Casey and I would go to Julian's, her father's house, as you walk in, 190 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:13,320 {\an3}there was a big bowl of cocaine in a very help yourself attitude. 191 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:21,435 {\an3}It was an environment where old men and young girls and cocaine, 192 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:26,039 {\an3}and it was shocking. 193 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:31,159 {\an3}Your parents aren't supposed to do that. 194 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:37,356 {\an3}One time at a party, I'd come out of my bedroom the next morning 195 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,039 {\an3}and everyone was passed out all over the floor. 196 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,435 {\an3}I remember walking by the couch 197 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:49,835 {\an3}and there were polaroid pictures of one of my father's housekeepers. 198 00:14:49,919 --> 00:14:53,675 {\an3}And at the time, I thought she was eating an ice cream, 199 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:56,919 {\an3}because that's what you did when you were little. 200 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:04,356 {\an3}I kept looking at the pictures, to figure out what was happening, 201 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,156 {\an3}and that's how I realized that it wasn't an ice cream, 202 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,000 {\an3}that it was attached to a man. 203 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:16,756 {\an3}One of the pictures in the background 204 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,200 {\an3}was this figure in the corner in a chair, watching. 205 00:15:23,399 --> 00:15:25,919 {\an3}I recognize that that was my father. 206 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,955 {\an3}Being born in that family and watching the behavior, 207 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:35,075 {\an3}it was my normal. 208 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:38,916 {\an3}I mean how do you know it's wrong when that's all you know? 209 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,276 {\an3}So when my father and my brother surrounded themselves 210 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,715 {\an3}with young, impressionable women 211 00:15:45,799 --> 00:15:48,715 {\an3}that would basically do anything they asked, 212 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:51,120 {\an3}that was the mentality I saw. 213 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 {\an3}Women were disposable in the Hammer family. 214 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,475 {\an3}So I had to move rooms, they had to move my room. 215 00:16:14,559 --> 00:16:16,876 {\an3}Something about noise complaints. 216 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,480 {\an3}I think they said it was... 417? 217 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,759 {\an3}Oh, here it is. 218 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,675 {\an3}A major news publication posted a video 219 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:31,195 {\an3}and it showed Armie holding his phone, 220 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:33,075 {\an3}walking into his room. 221 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,435 {\an3}Alright, so far so good. 222 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:38,036 {\an3}Bed looks pretty comfy. 223 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,715 {\an3}He just glosses over a woman on all fours, in lingerie, 224 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:45,075 {\an3}and goes out and shows out the balcony. 225 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:46,955 {\an3}Yeah, boy! 226 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:50,756 {\an8}It's like, "Look the power I have. I have a lady just sitting here 227 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,356 {\an8}waiting for me to do whatever I ask her to. 228 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,320 {\an3}And she's staying quiet." 229 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:06,715 {\an3}I was getting information via DMs saying this is his finsta account, 230 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,876 {\an3}El_destructo_86. 231 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,076 {\an3}Finsta just means fake Instagram, 232 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,275 {\an3}they are used by celebrities that have a private account 233 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,116 {\an3}separate from their public ones. 234 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,076 {\an3}On this private account, he posted anything he wanted. 235 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,156 {\an3}Where his public one was very curated. 236 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,316 {\an3}This one, he was posting videos of him engaging in sexual things, 237 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,640 {\an3}him doing drugs. 238 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,755 {\an3}It was pretty wild. 239 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:39,640 {\an3}He really wasn't hiding what he was doing. 240 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:46,475 {\an3}He had posted a picture of him on the toilet with a drug test, 241 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:51,116 {\an3}"Negative. My body is a finely tuned toxicant processing unit," 242 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,035 {\an3}indicating that he took drugs, and he passed a drug test. 243 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,720 {\an3}Shit's getting weird. 244 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,076 {\an3}Yep, got it all. 245 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,596 {\an3}It's just such a reflection of how above the law this man thinks he is, 246 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,916 {\an3}that he is, not only in a car, 247 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,396 {\an3}taking drugs and drinking while driving, 248 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,035 {\an3}but videotaping it and posting it 249 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,000 {\an3}because he thinks it's cool to show his friends. 250 00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:33,916 {\an3}It seems like each generation was impacted with a number of women 251 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,440 {\an3}who had been wronged by the Hammer family. 252 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,559 {\an3}It's hard to imagine one person behaving that badly. 253 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,035 {\an3}To hear it's been going on for generations 254 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,720 {\an3}is kind of unimaginable. 255 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,715 {\an3}My name is Edward J. Epstein. 256 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:05,235 {\an8}Everything okay? 257 00:19:05,319 --> 00:19:09,836 {\an3}In 1980, the New York Times came to me 258 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,356 {\an3}and asked if I wanted to write a profile 259 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:13,799 {\an3}on Armand Hammer, so I did. 260 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,596 {\an3}I began traveling with Armand Hammer. 261 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,916 {\an3}I went all over the world with him. 262 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,799 {\an3}I got to know him pretty well. 263 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,715 {\an3}One of the things that intrigued me about Hammer 264 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:29,636 {\an3}was that his public persona 265 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:34,279 {\an3}was purposefully divorced from his private activities. 266 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,715 {\an3}Armand controlled everyone, including women. 267 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:43,596 {\an3}And Hammer in his life had three marriages. 268 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,235 {\an3}Well, you haven't been unlucky in love then. 269 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:50,195 {\an3}The first was in Russia with Olga. 270 00:19:50,279 --> 00:19:53,636 {\an3}She wanted a career in Hollywood, and I was here in New York. 271 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,200 {\an3}It didn't last, we were divorced. 272 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,156 {\an3}The second was with Angela. 273 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,636 {\an3}Unfortunately, she was an alcoholic. 274 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,160 {\an3}And after ten years putting up with her, I divorced her. 275 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,200 {\an3}Armand's wife, Angela... 276 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:13,316 {\an3}in her divorce testimony, 277 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,796 {\an3}she said that he willfully, maliciously and deliberately 278 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,836 {\an3}pursued a course of conduct, employed techniques, 279 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,839 {\an3}tactics, and practices, calculated and designed to destroy her will. 280 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,195 {\an3}He threatened her with serious bodily violence and injury 281 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:36,039 {\an3}and to beat her brains out while brandishing a metal pipe. 282 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,316 {\an3}"I feared my husband. 283 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,480 {\an3}He is a master of psychological warfare." 284 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,515 {\an3}My present wife, Frances, we've been married 31 years 285 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:53,556 {\an3}and this is the happiest 31 years of my life. 286 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,156 {\an3}Well, what's the moral of this story? 287 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,480 {\an3}Well, we must never give up. 288 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,556 {\an3}Armand Hammer considered his relations with women 289 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,556 {\an3}as a means of getting something. 290 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,715 {\an3}They served a purpose to him. 291 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:14,995 {\an3}He married Frances for her money. 292 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:17,396 {\an3}She gave him the money that allowed him 293 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,356 {\an3}to go into the oil business in a big way. 294 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:25,076 {\an3}Dr. Armand Hammer and his third wife, Frances, took a $100,000 gamble 295 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,636 {\an3}when they invested in Occidental Petroleum, 296 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,640 {\an3}a small and struggling oil company. 297 00:21:31,599 --> 00:21:33,955 {\an3}As far as the public was concerned, 298 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:37,755 {\an3}Armand did not have extramarital relationships. 299 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:42,759 {\an3}In truth he always had mistresses, and he always womanized. 300 00:21:44,039 --> 00:21:48,519 {\an3}He looked for young women who he could control completely. 301 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:51,556 {\an3}You have this page... 302 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,076 {\an3}You have pictures of the women in his life. 303 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,675 {\an3}But this page... in the picture up here. 304 00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:59,995 {\an3}- That's Martha Kaufman... - That was Martha Kaufman, yes. 305 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,955 {\an3}- ...and down here is Hilary Gibson. - Right. 306 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:06,156 {\an3}- Who are these two people? - Well, they're the same person. 307 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,475 {\an3}I interviewed Martha Kaufman, also known as Hilary Gibson. 308 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:13,596 {\an3}One of Hammer's mistresses. 309 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,596 {\an3}She told me that when his wife Frances, 310 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,715 {\an3}found out she was having a liaison with her husband. 311 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:25,796 {\an3}Frances laid down the law and said you have to get rid of this woman. 312 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,475 {\an3}So, rather than give up his mistress, 313 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:32,675 {\an3}he found a solution typical to the kinds of solutions he found. 314 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:39,275 {\an3}He had Martha Kaufman change her name... Hilary Gibson, 315 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,715 {\an3}wear a white wig, 316 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,356 {\an3}and pretended to his wife that she was a different woman. 317 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,836 {\an3}And Frances his wife never figured it out? 318 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,599 {\an3}No. 319 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,116 {\an3}What he demanded was control of every part of her life, 320 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,475 {\an3}including her identity. 321 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:03,396 {\an3}It was all in his nature of a man who totally wanted to control a woman 322 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,680 {\an3}that he viewed as an object, not as a human being. 323 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,035 {\an3}Martha Kaufman, Armand's mistress, 324 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,435 {\an3}had to be available to meet his schedule at short notice. 325 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,715 {\an3}He gave her two beepers to alert her to his calls. 326 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:24,955 {\an3}He prohibited her from seeing other men, 327 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:28,836 {\an3}and to make sure of her whereabouts in Los Angeles. 328 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,916 {\an3}He had a homing device installed in her car 329 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,796 {\an3}and a tap placed on her phone. 330 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,235 {\an3}He had my location on his phone. 331 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:39,515 {\an3}He also controlled her vacation schedule. 332 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:43,275 {\an3}She had to submit to his sexual demands, 333 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,396 {\an3}even when she considered them extremely humiliating. 334 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,316 {\an3}Something that's very degrading, very belittling... 335 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,916 {\an3}Unfortunately, not shocked. 336 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,035 {\an3}This is exactly the kind of things I experienced. 337 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,079 {\an3}This is... extremely humiliating. 338 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,039 {\an3}I resonate with that. 339 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,680 {\an3}Armie is so consuming. 340 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,636 {\an3}He does whatever he wants, but you're his. 341 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,359 {\an3}Completely. 342 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,995 {\an3}I kept looking more into the archives of newspaper articles 343 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:36,755 {\an3}trying to find more content relating to the overlaps 344 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:38,799 {\an3}and parallels between each generation. 345 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,755 {\an8}Son of Armand Hammer seized. 346 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:47,035 {\an3}Julian Hammer, 47-year-old son of industrialist, Armand Hammer, 347 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,116 {\an3}was arrested at his home Thursday night 348 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,876 {\an3}for allegedly threatening a man in his home with a shotgun. 349 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,675 {\an3}Hammer brandished the weapon after returning home 350 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,796 {\an3}and finding 19-year-old Gary Bowers there with Cathe Boal, 28. 351 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,275 {\an3}Hammer reportedly said to Bowers, 352 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,240 {\an3}"Hold it, take another step and I'll blow you apart." 353 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,715 {\an3}Right now, in San Francisco, we are interviewing Cathe Boal. 354 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,119 {\an3}Stop. 355 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,836 {\an3}I want to start by saying thank you for being here today. 356 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,440 {\an3}You're welcome, and Casey is welcome. I am doing this for Casey. 357 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,955 {\an3}I met Julian Hammer in the mid-70s. 358 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:35,316 {\an3}He needed someone to come and clean the house. 359 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,319 {\an3}And he offered me the job. 360 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,275 {\an3}I had just had a child, so I was able to bring my son there, 361 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,319 {\an3}while I was cleaning the house. 362 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,396 {\an3}The first day I came to work, there was a big party going on. 363 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,519 {\an3}A gambling party going on for a couple of days apparently. 364 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,599 {\an3}Everybody in Pacific Palisades that lived there knew about Julian. 365 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:10,275 {\an3}He was always in nice pajamas and a beautiful robe and slippers. 366 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,880 {\an3}That's how he entertained. 367 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,240 {\an3}Because he was the Hugh Hefner of Pacific Palisades. 368 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,195 {\an3}As days went on, he started kind of opening up to me about the real him, 369 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,836 {\an3}instead of being the phony 370 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,279 {\an3}with all the people coming up and partying and stuff. 371 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,715 {\an3}He was a real charmer, he knew how to get his way. 372 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,359 {\an3}He was just suave, you know, when he wanted to be. 373 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,920 {\an3}As time went on we just got real close. 374 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,995 {\an3}When my son was nine months old, 375 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,675 {\an3}Julian convinced me that I should leave my husband. 376 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,596 {\an3}We had been seeing each other around six months or so, 377 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,279 {\an3}then we got engaged. 378 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,715 {\an3}He seemed to be more possessive as time went on. 379 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:08,235 {\an3}He didn't want me to have any friends, just him. 380 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,759 {\an3}I was naive really, I guess, you might say. 381 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,755 {\an3}But I thought, if I could give him enough love, 382 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:16,995 {\an3}that maybe I could change him, 383 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,035 {\an3}of course you don't change anybody, 384 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,799 {\an3}but I didn't know that then. 385 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,836 {\an3}One night, I convinced him that it was time for him to take me out. 386 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,000 {\an3}And after we had dinner, he wanted to stop at a bar. 387 00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,876 {\an3}Julian started hanging around with the guys in there 388 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,116 {\an3}and kind of flirting around with the guys. 389 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,316 {\an3}I got jealous, I didn't like the idea that he's flirting. 390 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,316 {\an3}Why aren't you flirting with me? Why with them? 391 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,480 {\an3}Then I started realizing it was a gay bar. 392 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,480 {\an3}He did not want to leave. 393 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,876 {\an3}I just got so upset, I just walked out of the bar, 394 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,119 {\an3}walked across the street, put my thumb out. 395 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,235 {\an3}Within like five minutes, this really nice guy pulled over. 396 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:24,116 {\an3}And he took me to Julian's house. 397 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,440 {\an3}And as he started to leave, Julian pulled up. 398 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:33,359 {\an3}And that's when everything escalated because Julian saw him at the door... 399 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:39,119 {\an3}and got upset that a man had brought me home. 400 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,876 {\an3}The go-to was always a gun. 401 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,356 {\an3}That was his thing. When he got mad, 402 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,995 {\an3}I'll go get my gun, and I'll shoot you. 403 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,359 {\an3}That was his way to get control. 404 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,796 {\an3}Oh, boy. 405 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,755 {\an3}Julian Hammer, 47, son of industrialist Armand Hammer, 406 00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,316 {\an3}was arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon 407 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,316 {\an3}and released on a $1000 bail. 408 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,035 {\an3}Somehow or another, I'd always give in to him, 409 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:14,759 {\an3}thinking this time it'll be better. 410 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,039 {\an3}Unfortunately, it never was. 411 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,396 {\an3}A few days later, we're arguing and I saw the gun in his hand. 412 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,836 {\an3}I just said, "You are not going to pull that gun out on me," 413 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,519 {\an3}"or point it at me." And that's when I went for the gun. 414 00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:33,916 {\an3}The gun went off. 415 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,156 {\an3}My 9-month-old son was in the room, he was only a few feet away. 416 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,319 {\an3}And so, it could have ricocheted and hit him and killed him. 417 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,556 {\an3}So that was it. I left. That was it. It was over. 418 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,316 {\an3}There's no consequence. 419 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,279 {\an3}Well, what message are you sending? 420 00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,839 {\an8}What's going to happen to me? I am a Hammer. 421 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,235 {\an3}Nothing ever happened to Julian. 422 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:06,200 {\an3}Because Armand Hammer had the money to make it go away. 423 00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,876 {\an3}Bottom line, he could do whatever he wanted. 424 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,435 {\an3}He could get away with murder. 425 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:13,920 {\an3}And he did. 426 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:24,955 {\an3}Armie Hammer's great grandfather Julian 427 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,475 {\an3}was arrested for manslaughter in 1955. 428 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,515 {\an3}His friend Bruce came to LA to celebrate his birthday 429 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,396 {\an3}and reminded him that Julian owed him $400 430 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,556 {\an3}and Julian shot him two times. 431 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,920 {\an3}This while Sue was pregnant with Armie's father Michael. 432 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,876 {\an3}The story that he told us was self-defense. 433 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,636 {\an3}But my mom was very quick to tell me, 434 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,480 {\an3}"No, your father murdered someone in cold blood." 435 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,876 {\an3}Armand Hammer got a phone call saying that his son had just shot someone. 436 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,000 {\an8}And so, to save, not his son, but to save his own reputation... 437 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,435 {\an8}he actually delivered $50,000 in cash to his lawyer, 438 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,195 {\an3}basically quashing the charges against his son, 439 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,319 {\an3}stopping his son from going to prison for murder. 440 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,116 {\an3}He didn't even seem like he was bothered 441 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,235 {\an3}that he shot his friend over the gambling debt. 442 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,076 {\an3}You talked to him, he was nonchalant about it. 443 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,955 {\an3}You could get away with murder. 444 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,400 {\an3}You could do anything, there was no accountability. 445 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,836 {\an3}Each generation, the men learned very early 446 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,356 {\an3}that money makes things go away. 447 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,839 {\an3}It keeps people quiet. 448 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,556 {\an3}After the murder, Julian, was given a position by Armand Hammer 449 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,440 {\an3}at Occidental Petroleum out of the public eye. 450 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,995 {\an3}Julian eventually began doing things for his father. 451 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,715 {\an3}Illegal things like helping his father 452 00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:04,799 {\an3}surreptitiously record conversations. 453 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,116 {\an3}Julian set him up with a hidden microphone 454 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,596 {\an3}and wired him up, 455 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,995 {\an3}as we've seen in police movies. 456 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,035 {\an3}He became part of the secretive world, 457 00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:19,720 {\an3}a spy world if you want. 458 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,116 {\an3}Armand Hammer understood the criminal mind, 459 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,116 {\an3}that if you're wired and have someone on tape, 460 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,440 {\an3}you have control over them. 461 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,076 {\an3}The perception of Hammer in the early 1980s 462 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,836 {\an8}was that he was a humanitarian, a philanthropist. 463 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,156 {\an8}He was a billionaire, basically whose mission in life 464 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,480 {\an3}was to bring about world peace. 465 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,836 {\an3}The few of us who were writing about Hammer, 466 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,955 {\an3}we're finding out there was this story there 467 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,279 {\an3}that the press had not gotten a hold of. 468 00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:23,836 {\an3}Hammer had successfully buried the story of his past. 469 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,596 {\an3}In the Hammer family tree, you have Armie Hammer, 470 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,235 {\an3}and his father Michael, his father Julian, 471 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,396 {\an3}his father Armand and his father Julius. 472 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,160 {\an3}I'm here to talk about Julius. 473 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:41,519 {\an3}Julius Hammer had come to America, like many of the Jews of Russia. 474 00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,475 {\an3}He was also a doctor, 475 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:49,515 {\an3}but more than that he became an active politician. 476 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:54,279 {\an3}Julius Hammer was a founder of the American Communist Party. 477 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,755 {\an3}When his son, in 1898, was born, he named him Armand Hammer 478 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:10,435 {\an3}after the symbol of the Communist Party in Russia, 479 00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:12,039 {\an3}the arm and the hammer. 480 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,035 {\an3}The Russians used the Hammer family through Julius Hammer 481 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,155 {\an3}to channel money into New York, 482 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,716 {\an3}fund the communist party, 483 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:33,280 {\an3}and then steal technology and trade secrets from the US. 484 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,115 {\an3}After years of research, 485 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,276 {\an3}the CIA concluded that Armand Hammer 486 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,519 {\an3}was used to collect information for the KGB. 487 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:50,000 {\an3}He was an agent of the Soviet Union. 488 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,916 {\an3}Armie's great-grandfather, Armand Hammer, 489 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,599 {\an3}goes to Moscow to take over what his father had built there. 490 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:06,115 {\an3}Armand Hammer became an agent of his father's company. 491 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:11,356 {\an3}He was a money launderer, he was a courier for funds 492 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,916 {\an3}that were channeled to Soviet espionage in the US. 493 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,475 {\an3}It was secret. It was illegal. It was dangerous. 494 00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,435 {\an3}"Behind every great fortune is a great crime." 495 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,955 {\an3}Certainly, behind the Hammer fortune, 496 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:32,639 {\an3}there were a great number of great crimes. 497 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,316 {\an3}The time for successful capitalist 498 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,475 {\an3}earning profits in the height of communism was over. 499 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,676 {\an3}And Dr. Armand Hammer decided to leave 500 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,435 {\an3}as he realized his businesses would never triumph 501 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,519 {\an3}under Stalin's crushing rule. 502 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:58,960 {\an3}When Hammer arrived in the US in the early 1930s, 503 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,676 {\an3}there was still this fear of Russia and Communism. 504 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,635 {\an8}So one of his most important missions was to bury his past. 505 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,719 {\an3}Dr. Hammer, I'll show this audience a picture of Olga. 506 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,236 {\an3}This is your first wife here. Here she is. 507 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,356 {\an3}What didn't fit in with his legend of being an American 508 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,676 {\an3}who just happened to be in Russia was that he had a Russian wife 509 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,955 {\an3}and a Russian child born in Moscow, Julian. 510 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,995 {\an3}So he tried to create as much distance as he could. 511 00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:37,796 {\an3}He even had a paternity test taken in the hopes that it would show 512 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,400 {\an3}that his son Julian was not really his son. 513 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,995 {\an3}It was sad when I heard the whole story 514 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,916 {\an3}from Julian's point of view. 515 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,599 {\an3}He knew he was always thought of as an embarrassment, an albatross. 516 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,876 {\an3}So, the relationship between Armand and Julian 517 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:05,196 {\an3}was a relationship of a father trying to hide his son, 518 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,079 {\an3}and his only son, from the world. 519 00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,236 {\an3}My father and brother hated each other. 520 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,836 {\an3}They constantly were arguing and bickering and fighting, 521 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,035 {\an3}but in front of grandpa, 522 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,276 {\an3}they were patting each other on the back 523 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,519 {\an3}and being phony and superficial. 524 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,716 {\an3}My brother wanted to surpass my father, 525 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,955 {\an3}but my father wasn't going to let that happen. 526 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,955 {\an3}Julian was very jealous of Michael, that I saw. 527 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:40,435 {\an3}He was very jealous. 528 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:44,155 {\an3}He was rough on Michael, very mean to Michael. 529 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,276 {\an3}I did see a pattern there. 530 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,075 {\an3}That Julian, I think, was hard on his children 531 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,679 {\an3}because Armand was hard on Julian. 532 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,515 {\an3}The second trip I took from Washington 533 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,635 {\an3}down to visit my father, 534 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,000 {\an3}everyone was drinking way too much. 535 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,960 {\an3}And my father offered my brother a million dollars for his girlfriend. 536 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,599 {\an3}My brother, it was like a monster unleashed. 537 00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,876 {\an3}They both said, "I'll kill you," and they ran outside. 538 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,796 {\an3}When I finally circled the building, 539 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,356 {\an3}I saw police had separated them. 540 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,876 {\an3}The cops didn't arrest either one of them, 541 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,756 {\an3}and let them both drive away, intoxicated as they were. 542 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,196 {\an3}And Michael's girlfriend ended up going with my father, quote unquote, 543 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,039 {\an3}to tame the situation. 544 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:58,435 {\an3}She was older than most of the girls, probably 19. 545 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,679 {\an3}She ended up living with my father for like another eight months. 546 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,716 {\an3}When I graduated from high school, my grandfather said, 547 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,719 {\an3}"Go to the University of San Diego because your brother's there." 548 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,559 {\an3}USD was a Catholic private school, 2000 students. So it was very small. 549 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,396 {\an3}Michael was larger than life on the campus, 550 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,396 {\an3}meaning he had a reputation. 551 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,079 {\an3}Him and his friends, of partying and just all kinds of things. 552 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,435 {\an3}Michael was the life of the party. He was the leader of the guys. 553 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:41,555 {\an3}When their group would come in, 554 00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,796 {\an3}Michael would always be the front and center. 555 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,955 {\an3}He was almost the stereotypical, wealthy kid you see in teen movies. 556 00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,035 {\an3}What was his slogan? 557 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,796 {\an3}I think he even wanted t-shirts made that said "Decadence, a way of life." 558 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,916 {\an3}He kind of always had a different girl. 559 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,796 {\an3}It would be one of those things where, you know, 560 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,435 {\an3}do we have to get to know her? There'll be a new one next week. 561 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,155 {\an3}It didn't matter what room he was in, 562 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,435 {\an3}he commanded your attention, he wanted your attention. 563 00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:21,796 {\an3}Almost every single one of Casey's closest friends 564 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,840 {\an3}ended up sleeping with Michael at some point or another. 565 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,876 {\an3}One night I had found a photo album in his closet 566 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,475 {\an3}and it was a lot of naked people in the pictures, like an orgy, 567 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,635 {\an3}and there was cash and there were drugs 568 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719 {\an3}and there was a gun in the closet. 569 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,796 {\an3}Michael was mirroring my father. 570 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,836 {\an3}And showing early signs of what my father was like. 571 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,679 {\an3}It was scary. 572 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,196 {\an3}My name is Wendy Williams. 573 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,840 {\an3}Casey and Michael Hammer are my cousins. 574 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:05,836 {\an3}I thought they were just wealthy, they had this wonderful life. 575 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,400 {\an3}When it was not like that at all. 576 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,599 {\an3}Michael was pretty reckless when he was younger. 577 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,840 {\an3}I remember Armand Hammer coming in to intervene with Michael. 578 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,196 {\an3}He was making specific demands 579 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,115 {\an3}of how Michael's life was going to be. 580 00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:33,916 {\an3}Basically, there would be no money, unless he cleaned up his life 581 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,519 {\an3}and did what Armand wanted. 582 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,440 {\an3}Which was come work for the company. 583 00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:50,995 {\an3}It always appeared that Michael was the Hammer heir, 584 00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:55,515 {\an3}and Casey was, for lack of a better way to say it, 585 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,840 {\an3}just be nice and be pretty and we'll take care of you. 586 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,515 {\an3}Michael had gotten back in good graces with my grandfather 587 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,515 {\an3}and then was hired at Oxy. 588 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,635 {\an3}And so, Michael saw he could try and manipulate my grandfather 589 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,039 {\an3}or get above my father's hierarchy. 590 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:26,916 {\an3}Happy birthday to you 591 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,356 {\an3}Happy birthday to you... 592 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,559 {\an3}Grandpa would throw parties all the time. 593 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:39,559 {\an3}We'd get invited and it was a select few of 2000 of his closest friends. 594 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,316 {\an3}It was who's who in Hollywood, if you got invited. 595 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,239 {\an3}It's now my great privilege to introduce Mr. Gregory Peck. 596 00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:59,955 {\an3}It was a huge deal when they were like, 597 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,719 {\an3}"Armand Hammer is hosting Prince Charles and Lady Diana." 598 00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,555 {\an3}So yeah, it's pretty cool when you got to tell people 599 00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:11,119 {\an3}that you were there. 600 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,955 {\an3}My father was forced to show up at a function or a party. 601 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:20,955 {\an3}And just didn't want to have anything to do with it. 602 00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,519 {\an3}Whereas, my brother wanted it so deeply 603 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:29,199 {\an3}to take his place as heir apparent to the throne. 604 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,316 {\an3}I tried watching the HBO show Succession. 605 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,199 {\an3}I got through three episodes and I had to turn it off. 606 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,955 {\an3}Everyone's brown-nosing each other and saying fake stuff. 607 00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,796 {\an3}And everyone hates each other on the inside, 608 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,115 {\an3}but on the outside, they're pretending to get along. 609 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:59,599 {\an3}Magnify Succession a million times, and it was literally my family. 610 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,599 {\an3}Michael was 27, 28 when he first met Armie's mother Dru. 611 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,316 {\an3}He was flying first class and he was really drunk. 612 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,236 {\an3}And I guess Dru was sitting next to him 613 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,360 {\an3}and before she got off the airplane, she was planning to marry him. 614 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:33,115 {\an3}She was very religious and very, not like what Michael goes out with. 615 00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:35,515 {\an3}When he got off the airplane and he said, 616 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,115 {\an3}"I met someone," we were all like, "Sure." 617 00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:42,955 {\an3}Then when we met Dru, we thought, oh, that's never going to last. 618 00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,676 {\an3}But my grandfather rolled out the red carpet for her 619 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,515 {\an3}and her parents. 620 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,916 {\an3}He wanted Michael and Dru to get married, 621 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,316 {\an3}because this was a wholesome Tulsa wealthy family 622 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,155 {\an3}that was very religious. 623 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,555 {\an3}And my grandfather believed that Dru could change Michael. 624 00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:03,316 {\an3}After we got out of college, 625 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,796 {\an3}Michael came over one night to Casey's house 626 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,396 {\an3}and introduced this woman as his fiancée. 627 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,475 {\an3}We got to know her. 628 00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:15,836 {\an3}But then, he was with other girls who went out with us. 629 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,115 {\an3}And you know, we would ask questions like, 630 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,316 {\an3}"Did you break up with your fiancée?" "No. She's fine." 631 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,239 {\an3}"She couldn't come out tonight." 632 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,836 {\an3}When they got married, it was an elaborate to-do in Tulsa, 633 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,236 {\an3}where who's who was invited. 634 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,876 {\an3}It was a giant wedding. 635 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,236 {\an3}When Dru gave birth to Armie, 636 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,756 {\an3}they would parade him around to grandpas. 637 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,360 {\an3}Everyone fawned all over him. 638 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,836 {\an3}I remember being at Michael and Dru's house in the Palisades. 639 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,756 {\an3}Armie, just this little cute toe head little boy 640 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,035 {\an3}comes up to me and Michael says, 641 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,876 {\an3}"Will you give your aunt Casey a hug goodbye?" 642 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,000 {\an3}And he kicked me in the shins. 643 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,716 {\an3}I was like, "You're such a little brat." 644 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,159 {\an3}But God forbid you touch or say anything bad to Armie. 645 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,396 {\an3}Armie was given Armand Douglas Hammer after my grandfather. 646 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,035 {\an3}He was the prince, the crown, the continuation of the Hammer name, 647 00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:22,599 {\an3}so the whole Hammer family could live again in a whole 'nother generation. 648 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,236 {\an3}- Armand Hammer... - Armand Hammer... 649 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,635 {\an3}Millionaire Armand Hammer is dead. 650 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,639 {\an3}He died last night at the age of 92. 651 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,716 {\an3}I was living in Hawaii when I got a phone call 652 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,276 {\an3}that my grandfather had passed. 653 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,876 {\an3}And it was that phone call that you never thought was gonna happen. 654 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,199 {\an3}It was from Michael. 655 00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:59,276 {\an3}I remember dropping the phone, 656 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,159 {\an3}and the room spinning... 657 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,276 {\an3}Armand Hammer philanthropist, art collector, and industrialist... 658 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,756 {\an3}It was a huge deal. The coverage was incredible. 659 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,595 {\an3}From 1921, Hammer was making deals... 660 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:18,236 {\an3}I just remember being at the airport, getting ready to board my flight, 661 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,155 {\an3}and on all the monitors and screens, "Armand Hammer dies." 662 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,756 {\an3}Armand Hammer, the son of one of the founders 663 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,396 {\an3}of the American Communist Party, acquired Occidental Petroleum... 664 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,916 {\an3}You couldn't get away from it. It was just surreal. 665 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,955 {\an3}I hope that when I pass on, I will have left the world 666 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,639 {\an3}a little better than when I found it. 667 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:44,676 {\an3}Michael had called me, 668 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,716 {\an3}and grandpa was still dead on the bed, 669 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,515 {\an3}while he was looting the house. 670 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:54,955 {\an3}There were five vans out front, 671 00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,756 {\an3}and Michael and Dru bringing down tapestries 672 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,676 {\an3}and taking things from the house. 673 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,396 {\an3}I had flown in that morning. 674 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,035 {\an3}I rented a car, and I remember driving to my father's house 675 00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,876 {\an3}and I was just trying to make sense of everything. 676 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,595 {\an3}A few days later, we were called into Arthur Groman's office, 677 00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,515 {\an3}who was my grandfather's best friend and attorney, 678 00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,639 {\an3}and that was where the reading of the will was. 679 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,079 {\an3}Michael was on my right and my father was across from me. 680 00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,595 {\an3}Arthur Groman's reading through it and saying, 681 00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:34,756 {\an3}"And I leave my granddaughter 682 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:40,276 {\an3}Casey Lane Hammer, $250,000 in cash." 683 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,035 {\an3}And then, "I leave Julian Hammer, my son, 684 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:50,836 {\an3}$500,000, pay off his house and car and debts. 685 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,000 {\an3}And I leave Michael Armand Hammer, the Rolls Royce. 686 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,316 {\an3}And then the last paragraph or so was, 687 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,155 {\an3}"And the executor of the estate 688 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:10,360 {\an3}is Michael Armand Hammer and his wife, Dru Ann Hammer." 689 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:19,075 {\an3}My grandfather had 40 million dollars of cash left. 690 00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:23,639 {\an3}I got $250,000, my father got $500,000. 691 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,196 {\an3}Everything else got passed on to Michael. 692 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,555 {\an3}And at that point, you're like, "Wait, what?" 693 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,199 {\an3}You don't think you are hearing any of it. 694 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,236 {\an3}And my father starts going off. 695 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,635 {\an3}"What do you mean you get the Rolls Royce?" 696 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,236 {\an3}"I want the Rolls Royce." 697 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,716 {\an3}And I'm like, in my mind thinking, 698 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,876 {\an3}you don't even understand the gravity of what happened. 699 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,595 {\an3}It made no sense. 700 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:58,555 {\an3}And when I asked when the new will was signed, it was in October. 701 00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,679 {\an3}Forty days later, my grandfather died. 702 00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:17,475 {\an3}The expectation of his family members was, he was a billionaire. 703 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:22,360 {\an3}And then, when his will was read, they learned that he wasn't. 704 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,559 {\an3}He had given away most of his money. 705 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,480 {\an3}So, the Hammer family was left, basically, fighting among themselves. 706 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:39,396 {\an3}Michael decided he would grab as much of the money 707 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,635 {\an3}and as much of the power as he could, 708 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,880 {\an3}and as executive, there were few people to oppose him. 709 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,595 {\an3}It was like checkmate. 710 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,716 {\an3}Michael was putting the screws to my father and I, 711 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,075 {\an3}and my brother told my mother, "Casey's just a casualty," 712 00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:02,119 {\an3}because he hated my father so much, he wanted him out on the street. 713 00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,155 {\an3}To have Michael, 714 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,115 {\an3}who professed himself as a man of God, 715 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:11,480 {\an3}doing this to my father and myself. 716 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,236 {\an3}It's not about the inheritance, 717 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,880 {\an3}as much as it is about just being acknowledged. 718 00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,356 {\an3}I was completely left out. 719 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,075 {\an3}That's sad when you realize 720 00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,719 {\an3}that you don't have any family or anybody who love you. 721 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,356 {\an3}I don't know how to process all of that. 722 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,760 {\an3}I just, um, yeah... 723 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,239 {\an3}It didn't end well. 724 00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:59,276 {\an3}Armie talked a lot about the evilness of the men in his family. 725 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,276 {\an3}His dad, his grandpa, his great grandpa. 726 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,475 {\an3}He didn't sound ashamed of it. 727 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,400 {\an3}It's almost like it was a badge of honor. 728 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,836 {\an3}After the Sedona night with the ropes, 729 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,599 {\an3}Armie's pulling me even closer. 730 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,320 {\an3}We go to Dallas and meet his mom. 731 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,360 {\an3}He warned me that it would be interesting. 732 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,880 {\an3}And that, it was. 733 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,679 {\an3}She's just like Armie. She's gorgeous, tall, beautiful. 734 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,035 {\an3}They both command a room. 735 00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:50,559 {\an3}You know, they have a presence. 736 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,960 {\an3}At dinner, Armie was talking negatively about his father, 737 00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,595 {\an3}and she just blurted out, "You need to give him some slack 738 00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:09,396 {\an3}because this happened to him when he was younger." 739 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,199 {\an3}And it was something that I should not have been there for. 740 00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:22,880 {\an3}Nobody could have been prepared for what I heard that night. 741 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,880 {\an3}It was just some deep-rooted family trauma. 742 00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,199 {\an3}Casey, was your father sexually abusing you? 743 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,880 {\an3}Francesca Villa Iyuno-SDI Group 66879

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