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{\an3}My grandfather lived in Holmby Hills,
which is the neighborhood
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{\an3}right between Wilshire Boulevard
and Sunset in Westwood.
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{\an3}It's the elite of the elite.
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{\an3}And now we are going to come up
on the right side,
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{\an3}is my grandfather's house.
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{\an3}There's his house,
and we would park right here in front
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{\an3}and then we would get up
and race up the stairs.
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{\an3}And that front window
was Grandpa's office.
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{\an3}As President of Occidental Petroleum,
Armand Hammer,
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{\an3}turned it into the 11th largest
oil company in the United States.
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{\an3}The Hammer name wielded
a lot of prestige and power.
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{\an3}And the two grandchildren,
Michael and Casey,
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{\an3}would you please stand up.
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{\an3}We were always hanging out
with royalty at these parties.
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{\an3}And we would get training
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{\an3}and you would learn
how to address the royalty.
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{\an3}It was just this secret society,
kind of inner circle of the elite.
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{\an3}How on earth do they expect us
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{\an3}to get anything done without money?
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{\an3}People were so curious
about that lifestyle,
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{\an3}about all that wealth.
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{\an3}On the outside, we were a perfect family.
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{\an8}- Hi, Casey!
- Come on in.
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{\an3}Watch your step.
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{\an3}But beneath it all
was a dark world of deceit,
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{\an3}betrayal, and corruption.
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{\an3}And that's why I'm coming forward.
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{\an3}It's time to stop the cycle.
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{\an3}So this is a picture
of the Hammer family.
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{\an3}And there's my father, Julian.
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{\an3}I'm standing behind him.
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{\an3}You have my brother Michael,
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{\an3}and then in the center of the shot
is my grandfather,
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{\an3}and he's holding Armie.
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{\an3}How did Armie Hammer go
from Hollywood Golden Boy
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{\an3}to an alleged abuser
in one evening in January?
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{\an3}When all this came out about Armie,
I was not shocked.
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{\an3}Sexually graphic texts and DMs
of dominating BDSM
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{\an3}and cannibalism are trending.
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{\an3}This behavior, it's deep rooted.
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{\an3}My father, Julian Hammer,
is Armie's grandfather.
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{\an3}When my mother met my father
they ended up in Tijuana,
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{\an3}drunk on the back of a motorcycle
and getting married.
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{\an3}And my mother had no idea that
my father was Armand Hammer's son,
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{\an3}had no idea about the wealth,
had no idea about any of it.
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{\an3}And then, when my father got married,
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{\an3}my grandfather decided that
my father needed to be responsible
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{\an3}now that he had a wife.
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{\an3}I was born in 1960.
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{\an3}We moved to Pacific Palisades,
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{\an3}which was near the coast in California.
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{\an3}But my father was such a mess.
He was always drunk.
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{\an3}And you just never knew
what kind of condition he was in.
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{\an3}There was a lot going on
behind closed doors.
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{\an3}Christmases were probably
my favorite time of year.
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{\an3}It was a big deal.
It was like a department store.
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{\an3}We all got piles and piles
of Christmas presents.
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{\an3}That's my brother Michael,
Armie's father,
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{\an3}and there he is
riding a little motorcycle.
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{\an3}I should be somewhere in there.
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{\an3}I remember one year it was Christmas Eve,
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{\an3}I was young, maybe five,
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{\an3}and I still believed in Santa Claus.
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{\an3}After I had gone to bed,
I heard screaming.
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{\an3}My father and mother were fighting,
and he was threatening to kill her.
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{\an3}My father slapped my mom really hard
and I remember seeing blood splatter.
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{\an3}She made me go back to my room
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{\an3}and said everything was okay.
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{\an3}And if I didn't go right to sleep,
Santa Claus wasn't going to come.
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{\an3}As a little girl, when you're seeing
your mom get beat up by your father,
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{\an3}and blood running down
the front of her body,
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{\an3}and her screaming, you don't understand.
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{\an3}I can't tell you how many times
I would get under my covers
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{\an3}and put my fingers in my ears and sing,
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{\an3}because I didn't want to hear the noise.
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{\an3}I didn't want to hear the screaming
because you can't make it stop.
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{\an3}As we got older, my father,
he got worse and worse and worse.
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{\an3}In the middle of the night,
my mom would collect me,
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{\an3}and we would grab what we could
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{\an3}and get in the car
and drive down the hill
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{\an3}and go to a motel...
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{\an3}And wait until the sun came up.
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{\an3}Until my father cooled down,
then we would go back to the house.
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{\an3}That happened a lot.
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{\an3}It always escalated.
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{\an3}You didn't know
what was going to happen next.
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{\an3}My mom had been threatening to leave,
but my grandfather always said,
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{\an3}if you leave my son, I'll ruin you
and make your life miserable.
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{\an3}And you won't have a penny.
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{\an3}My grandfather had powerful attorneys.
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{\an3}The public persona turned into
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{\an3}I can take everything away from you
with one stroke of the pen.
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{\an3}So it was a frightening, scary energy
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{\an8}that my grandfather had.
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{\an8}The Hammer family name
had to be pristine.
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{\an3}You couldn't be the reason
for the black mark.
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{\an3}While my grandfather was alive,
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{\an3}you played by his rules
or you got cut off.
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{\an3}We were taught that
Big Brother's always watching,
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{\an3}you can't get away from it.
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{\an3}My grandfather had files on anybody
you dated or any of your friends.
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{\an3}You would pick up your phone to talk
and you'd hear a click,
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{\an3}and you knew you were being recorded.
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{\an3}You didn't make a move
without thinking about,
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{\an3}"What if Grandpa finds out?"
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{\an3}Casey's grandfather
controlled his family.
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{\an3}He controlled everything.
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{\an8}That has to be scary
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{\an8}to know that there are people
watching you all the time.
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{\an3}Walk the straight and narrow.
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{\an3}I see you.
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{\an3}You don't see me, but I see you.
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{\an3}I like to say that our lives
were like a chess board
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{\an3}and my grandfather basically
controlled all the moves.
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{\an3}But I had no idea about half
of the things my grandfather did...
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{\an3}and how powerful he really was.
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{\an3}Well, look who is here.
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{\an3}He happens to be president and CEO
of Occidental Petroleum in LA.
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{\an3}He is also one
of the wealthiest men in the world.
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{\an3}Please welcome Dr. Armand Hammer.
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{\an3}My grandfather built an oil empire
that up until his death was,
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{\an3}I believe the 16th largest company
in the world.
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{\an3}Well, that's a pretty good hand
for a rich guy.
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{\an3}Everything he touched turned to gold.
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{\an3}I worked for Armand Hammer
from 1986 to 1989
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{\an3}as one of his political
and media consultants.
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{\an8}I saw him exercise access
around the world.
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{\an8}Which was unparalleled
for a private individual.
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{\an3}He could at will enter the Kremlin.
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{\an8}I help him and he helps me. It is mutual.
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{\an8}We do not discuss secrets, just business.
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{\an3}Buckingham Palace, the White House,
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{\an3}they were all at his disposal
and at his bidding.
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{\an3}- Mr. Hammer?
- Yes.
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{\an3}This is the president, how are you?
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{\an3}Oh, hello, President Kennedy,
I'm glad to hear from you again.
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{\an3}I remember asking my grandfather why
he wasn't president of the US,
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{\an3}and he laughed and said,
"There wasn't enough power in it."
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{\an3}I mean, even now
people are still so fascinated.
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{\an3}It didn't start with Armie,
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{\an3}he is the great grandson
of Armand Hammer, an oil tycoon,
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{\an3}whose son Julian, who would be
Armie's grandfather was insane.
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{\an3}He beat the living daylights
out of his wife...
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{\an3}I was definitely pulling in eyeballs
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{\an3}just by sharing the things
that I was looking into.
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{\an3}I had many tips coming in
and it wasn't just tips about Armie.
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{\an3}It was tips about the whole family.
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{\an3}By virtue of sharing the story,
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{\an3}Candice
and I found each other on Instagram
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{\an3}and we started talking about the case.
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{\an8}I didn't even know who Armand Hammer was
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{\an8}and looking into him and his son
and his son, and then Armie,
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{\an3}it was so many people in this family
that had a sordid history.
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{\an3}People were absolutely dumbfounded.
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{\an3}What are the odds that there would be
so many generations of a family
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{\an3}behaving so badly.
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{\an3}What became readily apparent to us
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{\an3}was that there was still
a lot of things to uncover.
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{\an3}My mom always said that she stayed
with my father as long as she did
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{\an3}because of my grandfather.
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{\an3}So, it was a never-ending cycle
for a very long time.
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{\an3}But then finally, I was 11,
and she'd had enough,
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{\an3}and we went down the street
to the motel...
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{\an3}and this time we didn't go back.
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{\an3}When my parents got divorced
my grandfather kept to his word
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{\an3}and my father destroyed my mother
in court.
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{\an3}My father ended up only paying
like $200 a month child support.
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{\an3}My mom said that
the biggest regret of her life
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{\an3}was letting Michael decide
to stay with my father.
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{\an3}It was a while before my mother
let me go down and visit my father.
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{\an3}I just remember it was the house
I grew up in,
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{\an3}so it was familiar
but yet there were tons of people.
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{\an3}It was a lot of drinking,
a lot of smoke-filled rooms,
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{\an3}a lot of screaming, loud music,
a lot of drugs.
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{\an3}He always had like 16
or 17-year-old girls around,
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{\an3}not much older than I was,
five or six years older,
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{\an3}and he called them his housekeepers.
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{\an3}It was code for his girlfriends.
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{\an3}I believe it was sexual, in a sense,
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{\an3}where they were usually
sitting on each other's laps
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{\an3}or kissing or fondling each other.
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{\an3}It was almost like giant orgies.
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{\an3}Michael, my brother,
would bring his friends up to party
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{\an3}and they would hit on them as well.
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{\an3}The drugs were free flowing.
So it was a very free atmosphere.
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{\an8}Casey was one of my best friends.
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{\an3}I don't remember when the first time
I met Mike was,
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{\an3}but he was always around.
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{\an3}Casey and I would go to Julian's,
her father's house, as you walk in,
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{\an3}there was a big bowl of cocaine
in a very help yourself attitude.
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{\an3}It was an environment where
old men and young girls and cocaine,
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{\an3}and it was shocking.
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{\an3}Your parents aren't supposed to do that.
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{\an3}One time at a party, I'd come out
of my bedroom the next morning
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{\an3}and everyone was passed out
all over the floor.
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{\an3}I remember walking by the couch
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{\an3}and there were polaroid pictures
of one of my father's housekeepers.
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{\an3}And at the time, I thought
she was eating an ice cream,
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{\an3}because that's what you did
when you were little.
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{\an3}I kept looking at the pictures,
to figure out what was happening,
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{\an3}and that's how I realized
that it wasn't an ice cream,
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{\an3}that it was attached to a man.
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{\an3}One of the pictures in the background
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{\an3}was this figure in the corner
in a chair, watching.
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{\an3}I recognize that that was my father.
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{\an3}Being born in that family
and watching the behavior,
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{\an3}it was my normal.
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{\an3}I mean how do you know it's wrong
when that's all you know?
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{\an3}So when my father and my brother
surrounded themselves
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{\an3}with young, impressionable women
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{\an3}that would basically do anything
they asked,
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{\an3}that was the mentality I saw.
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{\an3}Women were disposable
in the Hammer family.
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{\an3}So I had to move rooms,
they had to move my room.
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{\an3}Something about noise complaints.
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{\an3}I think they said it was... 417?
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{\an3}Oh, here it is.
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{\an3}A major news publication posted a video
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{\an3}and it showed Armie holding his phone,
220
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{\an3}walking into his room.
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{\an3}Alright, so far so good.
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{\an3}Bed looks pretty comfy.
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{\an3}He just glosses over a woman
on all fours, in lingerie,
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{\an3}and goes out and shows out the balcony.
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{\an3}Yeah, boy!
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{\an8}It's like, "Look the power I have.
I have a lady just sitting here
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{\an8}waiting for me to do
whatever I ask her to.
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{\an3}And she's staying quiet."
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{\an3}I was getting information via DMs
saying this is his finsta account,
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{\an3}El_destructo_86.
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{\an3}Finsta just means fake Instagram,
232
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{\an3}they are used by celebrities
that have a private account
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{\an3}separate from their public ones.
234
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{\an3}On this private account,
he posted anything he wanted.
235
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{\an3}Where his public one was very curated.
236
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{\an3}This one, he was posting videos
of him engaging in sexual things,
237
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{\an3}him doing drugs.
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{\an3}It was pretty wild.
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{\an3}He really wasn't hiding
what he was doing.
240
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{\an3}He had posted a picture of him
on the toilet with a drug test,
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{\an3}"Negative. My body is a finely tuned
toxicant processing unit,"
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{\an3}indicating that he took drugs,
and he passed a drug test.
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{\an3}Shit's getting weird.
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{\an3}Yep, got it all.
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{\an3}It's just such a reflection of how
above the law this man thinks he is,
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{\an3}that he is, not only in a car,
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{\an3}taking drugs and drinking while driving,
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{\an3}but videotaping it and posting it
249
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{\an3}because he thinks
it's cool to show his friends.
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{\an3}It seems like each generation
was impacted with a number of women
251
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{\an3}who had been wronged
by the Hammer family.
252
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{\an3}It's hard to imagine one person
behaving that badly.
253
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{\an3}To hear it's been going on
for generations
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{\an3}is kind of unimaginable.
255
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{\an3}My name is Edward J. Epstein.
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{\an8}Everything okay?
257
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{\an3}In 1980, the New York Times came to me
258
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{\an3}and asked if I wanted to write a profile
259
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{\an3}on Armand Hammer, so I did.
260
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{\an3}I began traveling with Armand Hammer.
261
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{\an3}I went all over the world with him.
262
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{\an3}I got to know him pretty well.
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{\an3}One of the things that intrigued me
about Hammer
264
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{\an3}was that his public persona
265
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{\an3}was purposefully divorced
from his private activities.
266
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{\an3}Armand controlled everyone,
including women.
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{\an3}And Hammer in his life
had three marriages.
268
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{\an3}Well, you haven't been unlucky
in love then.
269
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{\an3}The first was in Russia with Olga.
270
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{\an3}She wanted a career in Hollywood,
and I was here in New York.
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{\an3}It didn't last, we were divorced.
272
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{\an3}The second was with Angela.
273
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{\an3}Unfortunately, she was an alcoholic.
274
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{\an3}And after ten years putting up
with her, I divorced her.
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{\an3}Armand's wife, Angela...
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{\an3}in her divorce testimony,
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{\an3}she said that he willfully,
maliciously and deliberately
278
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{\an3}pursued a course of conduct,
employed techniques,
279
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{\an3}tactics, and practices, calculated
and designed to destroy her will.
280
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{\an3}He threatened her with serious
bodily violence and injury
281
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{\an3}and to beat her brains out
while brandishing a metal pipe.
282
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{\an3}"I feared my husband.
283
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{\an3}He is a master of psychological warfare."
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{\an3}My present wife, Frances,
we've been married 31 years
285
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{\an3}and this is the happiest
31 years of my life.
286
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{\an3}Well, what's the moral of this story?
287
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{\an3}Well, we must never give up.
288
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{\an3}Armand Hammer considered
his relations with women
289
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{\an3}as a means of getting something.
290
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{\an3}They served a purpose to him.
291
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{\an3}He married Frances for her money.
292
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{\an3}She gave him the money that allowed him
293
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{\an3}to go into the oil business in a big way.
294
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{\an3}Dr. Armand Hammer and his third wife,
Frances, took a $100,000 gamble
295
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{\an3}when they invested
in Occidental Petroleum,
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{\an3}a small and struggling oil company.
297
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{\an3}As far as the public was concerned,
298
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{\an3}Armand did not have extramarital
relationships.
299
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{\an3}In truth he always had mistresses,
and he always womanized.
300
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{\an3}He looked for young women
who he could control completely.
301
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{\an3}You have this page...
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{\an3}You have pictures
of the women in his life.
303
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{\an3}But this page... in the picture up here.
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{\an3}- That's Martha Kaufman...
- That was Martha Kaufman, yes.
305
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{\an3}- ...and down here is Hilary Gibson.
- Right.
306
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{\an3}- Who are these two people?
- Well, they're the same person.
307
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{\an3}I interviewed Martha Kaufman,
also known as Hilary Gibson.
308
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{\an3}One of Hammer's mistresses.
309
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{\an3}She told me that when his wife Frances,
310
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{\an3}found out she was having a liaison
with her husband.
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{\an3}Frances laid down the law and said
you have to get rid of this woman.
312
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{\an3}So, rather than give up his mistress,
313
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{\an3}he found a solution typical
to the kinds of solutions he found.
314
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{\an3}He had Martha Kaufman
change her name... Hilary Gibson,
315
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{\an3}wear a white wig,
316
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{\an3}and pretended to his wife
that she was a different woman.
317
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{\an3}And Frances his wife
never figured it out?
318
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{\an3}No.
319
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{\an3}What he demanded was control
of every part of her life,
320
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{\an3}including her identity.
321
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{\an3}It was all in his nature of a man
who totally wanted to control a woman
322
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{\an3}that he viewed as an object,
not as a human being.
323
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{\an3}Martha Kaufman, Armand's mistress,
324
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{\an3}had to be available
to meet his schedule at short notice.
325
00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,715
{\an3}He gave her two beepers
to alert her to his calls.
326
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{\an3}He prohibited her from seeing other men,
327
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{\an3}and to make sure of her whereabouts
in Los Angeles.
328
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{\an3}He had a homing device
installed in her car
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{\an3}and a tap placed on her phone.
330
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{\an3}He had my location on his phone.
331
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{\an3}He also controlled her vacation schedule.
332
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{\an3}She had to submit to his sexual demands,
333
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{\an3}even when she considered them
extremely humiliating.
334
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{\an3}Something that's very degrading,
very belittling...
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{\an3}Unfortunately, not shocked.
336
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{\an3}This is exactly the kind of things
I experienced.
337
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{\an3}This is... extremely humiliating.
338
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{\an3}I resonate with that.
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{\an3}Armie is so consuming.
340
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{\an3}He does whatever he wants,
but you're his.
341
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{\an3}Completely.
342
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{\an3}I kept looking more into the archives
of newspaper articles
343
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:36,755
{\an3}trying to find more content
relating to the overlaps
344
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{\an3}and parallels between each generation.
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{\an8}Son of Armand Hammer seized.
346
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{\an3}Julian Hammer, 47-year-old son
of industrialist, Armand Hammer,
347
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{\an3}was arrested at his home Thursday night
348
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{\an3}for allegedly threatening a man
in his home with a shotgun.
349
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{\an3}Hammer brandished the weapon
after returning home
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{\an3}and finding 19-year-old Gary Bowers
there with Cathe Boal, 28.
351
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{\an3}Hammer reportedly said to Bowers,
352
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{\an3}"Hold it, take another step
and I'll blow you apart."
353
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{\an3}Right now, in San Francisco,
we are interviewing Cathe Boal.
354
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{\an3}Stop.
355
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{\an3}I want to start by saying
thank you for being here today.
356
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,440
{\an3}You're welcome, and Casey is welcome.
I am doing this for Casey.
357
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{\an3}I met Julian Hammer in the mid-70s.
358
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{\an3}He needed someone to come
and clean the house.
359
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,319
{\an3}And he offered me the job.
360
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{\an3}I had just had a child,
so I was able to bring my son there,
361
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,319
{\an3}while I was cleaning the house.
362
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,396
{\an3}The first day I came to work,
there was a big party going on.
363
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,519
{\an3}A gambling party going on
for a couple of days apparently.
364
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{\an3}Everybody in Pacific Palisades
that lived there knew about Julian.
365
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:10,275
{\an3}He was always in nice pajamas
and a beautiful robe and slippers.
366
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{\an3}That's how he entertained.
367
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,240
{\an3}Because he was the Hugh Hefner
of Pacific Palisades.
368
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,195
{\an3}As days went on, he started kind of
opening up to me about the real him,
369
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{\an3}instead of being the phony
370
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{\an3}with all the people coming up
and partying and stuff.
371
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,715
{\an3}He was a real charmer,
he knew how to get his way.
372
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{\an3}He was just suave, you know,
when he wanted to be.
373
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{\an3}As time went on we just got real close.
374
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{\an3}When my son was nine months old,
375
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{\an3}Julian convinced me that
I should leave my husband.
376
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:56,596
{\an3}We had been seeing each other
around six months or so,
377
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,279
{\an3}then we got engaged.
378
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,715
{\an3}He seemed to be more possessive
as time went on.
379
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:08,235
{\an3}He didn't want me
to have any friends, just him.
380
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,759
{\an3}I was naive really, I guess,
you might say.
381
00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:14,755
{\an3}But I thought,
if I could give him enough love,
382
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:16,995
{\an3}that maybe I could change him,
383
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,035
{\an3}of course you don't change anybody,
384
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,799
{\an3}but I didn't know that then.
385
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,836
{\an3}One night, I convinced him that
it was time for him to take me out.
386
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,000
{\an3}And after we had dinner,
he wanted to stop at a bar.
387
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,876
{\an3}Julian started hanging around
with the guys in there
388
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,116
{\an3}and kind of flirting around
with the guys.
389
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,316
{\an3}I got jealous, I didn't like the idea
that he's flirting.
390
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,316
{\an3}Why aren't you flirting with me?
Why with them?
391
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,480
{\an3}Then I started realizing
it was a gay bar.
392
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,480
{\an3}He did not want to leave.
393
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:10,876
{\an3}I just got so upset,
I just walked out of the bar,
394
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,119
{\an3}walked across the street,
put my thumb out.
395
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,235
{\an3}Within like five minutes,
this really nice guy pulled over.
396
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:24,116
{\an3}And he took me to Julian's house.
397
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,440
{\an3}And as he started to leave,
Julian pulled up.
398
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:33,359
{\an3}And that's when everything escalated
because Julian saw him at the door...
399
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:39,119
{\an3}and got upset that
a man had brought me home.
400
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,876
{\an3}The go-to was always a gun.
401
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,356
{\an3}That was his thing. When he got mad,
402
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,995
{\an3}I'll go get my gun, and I'll shoot you.
403
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,359
{\an3}That was his way to get control.
404
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,796
{\an3}Oh, boy.
405
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,755
{\an3}Julian Hammer, 47,
son of industrialist Armand Hammer,
406
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,316
{\an3}was arrested on suspicion of assault
with a deadly weapon
407
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,316
{\an3}and released on a $1000 bail.
408
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,035
{\an3}Somehow or another,
I'd always give in to him,
409
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:14,759
{\an3}thinking this time it'll be better.
410
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,039
{\an3}Unfortunately, it never was.
411
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,396
{\an3}A few days later, we're arguing
and I saw the gun in his hand.
412
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,836
{\an3}I just said, "You are not going
to pull that gun out on me,"
413
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,519
{\an3}"or point it at me."
And that's when I went for the gun.
414
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:33,916
{\an3}The gun went off.
415
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,156
{\an3}My 9-month-old son was in the room,
he was only a few feet away.
416
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,319
{\an3}And so, it could have ricocheted
and hit him and killed him.
417
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,556
{\an3}So that was it. I left.
That was it. It was over.
418
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,316
{\an3}There's no consequence.
419
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,279
{\an3}Well, what message are you sending?
420
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,839
{\an8}What's going to happen to me?
I am a Hammer.
421
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,235
{\an3}Nothing ever happened to Julian.
422
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:06,200
{\an3}Because Armand Hammer
had the money to make it go away.
423
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:09,876
{\an3}Bottom line,
he could do whatever he wanted.
424
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,435
{\an3}He could get away with murder.
425
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:13,920
{\an3}And he did.
426
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:24,955
{\an3}Armie Hammer's great grandfather Julian
427
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,475
{\an3}was arrested for manslaughter in 1955.
428
00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,515
{\an3}His friend Bruce came to LA
to celebrate his birthday
429
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,396
{\an3}and reminded him that Julian
owed him $400
430
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,556
{\an3}and Julian shot him two times.
431
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,920
{\an3}This while Sue was pregnant
with Armie's father Michael.
432
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,876
{\an3}The story that he told us
was self-defense.
433
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,636
{\an3}But my mom was very quick to tell me,
434
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,480
{\an3}"No, your father murdered someone
in cold blood."
435
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,876
{\an3}Armand Hammer got a phone call saying
that his son had just shot someone.
436
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,000
{\an8}And so, to save, not his son,
but to save his own reputation...
437
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,435
{\an8}he actually delivered $50,000 in cash
to his lawyer,
438
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,195
{\an3}basically quashing
the charges against his son,
439
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,319
{\an3}stopping his son
from going to prison for murder.
440
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,116
{\an3}He didn't even seem like he was bothered
441
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,235
{\an3}that he shot his friend
over the gambling debt.
442
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,076
{\an3}You talked to him,
he was nonchalant about it.
443
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,955
{\an3}You could get away with murder.
444
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,400
{\an3}You could do anything,
there was no accountability.
445
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,836
{\an3}Each generation,
the men learned very early
446
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,356
{\an3}that money makes things go away.
447
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,839
{\an3}It keeps people quiet.
448
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,556
{\an3}After the murder, Julian,
was given a position by Armand Hammer
449
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,440
{\an3}at Occidental Petroleum
out of the public eye.
450
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,995
{\an3}Julian eventually began doing things
for his father.
451
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,715
{\an3}Illegal things like helping his father
452
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:04,799
{\an3}surreptitiously record conversations.
453
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,116
{\an3}Julian set him up
with a hidden microphone
454
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,596
{\an3}and wired him up,
455
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,995
{\an3}as we've seen in police movies.
456
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,035
{\an3}He became part of the secretive world,
457
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:19,720
{\an3}a spy world if you want.
458
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,116
{\an3}Armand Hammer understood
the criminal mind,
459
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,116
{\an3}that if you're wired
and have someone on tape,
460
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,440
{\an3}you have control over them.
461
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,076
{\an3}The perception of Hammer
in the early 1980s
462
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,836
{\an8}was that he was a humanitarian,
a philanthropist.
463
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,156
{\an8}He was a billionaire,
basically whose mission in life
464
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,480
{\an3}was to bring about world peace.
465
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,836
{\an3}The few of us who were writing
about Hammer,
466
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,955
{\an3}we're finding out
there was this story there
467
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,279
{\an3}that the press had not gotten a hold of.
468
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:23,836
{\an3}Hammer had successfully buried
the story of his past.
469
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,596
{\an3}In the Hammer family tree,
you have Armie Hammer,
470
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,235
{\an3}and his father Michael,
his father Julian,
471
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,396
{\an3}his father Armand and his father Julius.
472
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,160
{\an3}I'm here to talk about Julius.
473
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:41,519
{\an3}Julius Hammer had come to America,
like many of the Jews of Russia.
474
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,475
{\an3}He was also a doctor,
475
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:49,515
{\an3}but more than that
he became an active politician.
476
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:54,279
{\an3}Julius Hammer was a founder
of the American Communist Party.
477
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,755
{\an3}When his son, in 1898, was born,
he named him Armand Hammer
478
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:10,435
{\an3}after the symbol
of the Communist Party in Russia,
479
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:12,039
{\an3}the arm and the hammer.
480
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,035
{\an3}The Russians used the Hammer family
through Julius Hammer
481
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,155
{\an3}to channel money into New York,
482
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,716
{\an3}fund the communist party,
483
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:33,280
{\an3}and then steal technology
and trade secrets from the US.
484
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,115
{\an3}After years of research,
485
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,276
{\an3}the CIA concluded that Armand Hammer
486
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,519
{\an3}was used to collect information
for the KGB.
487
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:50,000
{\an3}He was an agent of the Soviet Union.
488
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,916
{\an3}Armie's great-grandfather, Armand Hammer,
489
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,599
{\an3}goes to Moscow to take over
what his father had built there.
490
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:06,115
{\an3}Armand Hammer became an agent
of his father's company.
491
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:11,356
{\an3}He was a money launderer,
he was a courier for funds
492
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,916
{\an3}that were channeled
to Soviet espionage in the US.
493
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,475
{\an3}It was secret. It was illegal.
It was dangerous.
494
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,435
{\an3}"Behind every great fortune
is a great crime."
495
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:27,955
{\an3}Certainly, behind the Hammer fortune,
496
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:32,639
{\an3}there were a great number
of great crimes.
497
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,316
{\an3}The time for successful capitalist
498
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,475
{\an3}earning profits in the height
of communism was over.
499
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,676
{\an3}And Dr. Armand Hammer decided to leave
500
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,435
{\an3}as he realized his businesses
would never triumph
501
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,519
{\an3}under Stalin's crushing rule.
502
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:58,960
{\an3}When Hammer arrived in the US
in the early 1930s,
503
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,676
{\an3}there was still this fear of Russia
and Communism.
504
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,635
{\an8}So one of his most important missions
was to bury his past.
505
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,719
{\an3}Dr. Hammer, I'll show this audience
a picture of Olga.
506
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,236
{\an3}This is your first wife here.
Here she is.
507
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,356
{\an3}What didn't fit in with his legend
of being an American
508
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,676
{\an3}who just happened to be in Russia
was that he had a Russian wife
509
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,955
{\an3}and a Russian child born in Moscow,
Julian.
510
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,995
{\an3}So he tried to create
as much distance as he could.
511
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:37,796
{\an3}He even had a paternity test taken
in the hopes that it would show
512
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,400
{\an3}that his son Julian
was not really his son.
513
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,995
{\an3}It was sad when I heard the whole story
514
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,916
{\an3}from Julian's point of view.
515
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,599
{\an3}He knew he was always thought of
as an embarrassment, an albatross.
516
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,876
{\an3}So, the relationship between
Armand and Julian
517
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:05,196
{\an3}was a relationship of a father
trying to hide his son,
518
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,079
{\an3}and his only son, from the world.
519
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:19,236
{\an3}My father and brother hated each other.
520
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,836
{\an3}They constantly were arguing
and bickering and fighting,
521
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,035
{\an3}but in front of grandpa,
522
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,276
{\an3}they were patting each other on the back
523
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,519
{\an3}and being phony and superficial.
524
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,716
{\an3}My brother wanted to surpass my father,
525
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,955
{\an3}but my father wasn't going
to let that happen.
526
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,955
{\an3}Julian was very jealous of Michael,
that I saw.
527
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:40,435
{\an3}He was very jealous.
528
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:44,155
{\an3}He was rough on Michael,
very mean to Michael.
529
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,276
{\an3}I did see a pattern there.
530
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,075
{\an3}That Julian, I think,
was hard on his children
531
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:52,679
{\an3}because Armand was hard on Julian.
532
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,515
{\an3}The second trip I took from Washington
533
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,635
{\an3}down to visit my father,
534
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,000
{\an3}everyone was drinking way too much.
535
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,960
{\an3}And my father offered my brother
a million dollars for his girlfriend.
536
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,599
{\an3}My brother, it was like
a monster unleashed.
537
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:30,876
{\an3}They both said, "I'll kill you,"
and they ran outside.
538
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,796
{\an3}When I finally circled the building,
539
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,356
{\an3}I saw police had separated them.
540
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,876
{\an3}The cops didn't arrest either one
of them,
541
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,756
{\an3}and let them both drive away,
intoxicated as they were.
542
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,196
{\an3}And Michael's girlfriend ended up
going with my father, quote unquote,
543
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,039
{\an3}to tame the situation.
544
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:58,435
{\an3}She was older than most of the girls,
probably 19.
545
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,679
{\an3}She ended up living with my father
for like another eight months.
546
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,716
{\an3}When I graduated from high school,
my grandfather said,
547
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,719
{\an3}"Go to the University of San Diego
because your brother's there."
548
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,559
{\an3}USD was a Catholic private school,
2000 students. So it was very small.
549
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,396
{\an3}Michael was larger
than life on the campus,
550
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,396
{\an3}meaning he had a reputation.
551
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,079
{\an3}Him and his friends, of partying
and just all kinds of things.
552
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:39,435
{\an3}Michael was the life of the party.
He was the leader of the guys.
553
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:41,555
{\an3}When their group would come in,
554
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,796
{\an3}Michael would always be
the front and center.
555
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,955
{\an3}He was almost the stereotypical,
wealthy kid you see in teen movies.
556
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,035
{\an3}What was his slogan?
557
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,796
{\an3}I think he even wanted t-shirts made
that said "Decadence, a way of life."
558
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,916
{\an3}He kind of always had a different girl.
559
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,796
{\an3}It would be one of those things
where, you know,
560
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,435
{\an3}do we have to get to know her?
There'll be a new one next week.
561
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,155
{\an3}It didn't matter what room he was in,
562
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,435
{\an3}he commanded your attention,
he wanted your attention.
563
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:21,796
{\an3}Almost every single one
of Casey's closest friends
564
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,840
{\an3}ended up sleeping with Michael
at some point or another.
565
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,876
{\an3}One night I had found a photo album
in his closet
566
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,475
{\an3}and it was a lot of naked people
in the pictures, like an orgy,
567
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,635
{\an3}and there was cash and there were drugs
568
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719
{\an3}and there was a gun in the closet.
569
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,796
{\an3}Michael was mirroring my father.
570
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,836
{\an3}And showing early signs
of what my father was like.
571
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,679
{\an3}It was scary.
572
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,196
{\an3}My name is Wendy Williams.
573
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,840
{\an3}Casey and Michael Hammer are my cousins.
574
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:05,836
{\an3}I thought they were just wealthy,
they had this wonderful life.
575
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,400
{\an3}When it was not like that at all.
576
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,599
{\an3}Michael was pretty reckless
when he was younger.
577
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,840
{\an3}I remember Armand Hammer
coming in to intervene with Michael.
578
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,196
{\an3}He was making specific demands
579
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,115
{\an3}of how Michael's life was going to be.
580
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:33,916
{\an3}Basically, there would be no money,
unless he cleaned up his life
581
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,519
{\an3}and did what Armand wanted.
582
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,440
{\an3}Which was come work for the company.
583
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:50,995
{\an3}It always appeared that Michael
was the Hammer heir,
584
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:55,515
{\an3}and Casey was,
for lack of a better way to say it,
585
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,840
{\an3}just be nice and be pretty
and we'll take care of you.
586
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,515
{\an3}Michael had gotten back
in good graces with my grandfather
587
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,515
{\an3}and then was hired at Oxy.
588
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:12,635
{\an3}And so, Michael saw he could try
and manipulate my grandfather
589
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,039
{\an3}or get above my father's hierarchy.
590
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:26,916
{\an3}Happy birthday to you
591
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,356
{\an3}Happy birthday to you...
592
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,559
{\an3}Grandpa would throw parties all the time.
593
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:39,559
{\an3}We'd get invited and it was a select
few of 2000 of his closest friends.
594
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,316
{\an3}It was who's who in Hollywood,
if you got invited.
595
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,239
{\an3}It's now my great privilege
to introduce Mr. Gregory Peck.
596
00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:59,955
{\an3}It was a huge deal when they were like,
597
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,719
{\an3}"Armand Hammer is hosting
Prince Charles and Lady Diana."
598
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,555
{\an3}So yeah, it's pretty cool
when you got to tell people
599
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:11,119
{\an3}that you were there.
600
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,955
{\an3}My father was forced to show up
at a function or a party.
601
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:20,955
{\an3}And just didn't want to have anything
to do with it.
602
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,519
{\an3}Whereas, my brother wanted it so deeply
603
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:29,199
{\an3}to take his place
as heir apparent to the throne.
604
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,316
{\an3}I tried watching the HBO show Succession.
605
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,199
{\an3}I got through three episodes
and I had to turn it off.
606
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,955
{\an3}Everyone's brown-nosing each other
and saying fake stuff.
607
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,796
{\an3}And everyone hates each other
on the inside,
608
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,115
{\an3}but on the outside,
they're pretending to get along.
609
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:59,599
{\an3}Magnify Succession a million times,
and it was literally my family.
610
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,599
{\an3}Michael was 27, 28
when he first met Armie's mother Dru.
611
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,316
{\an3}He was flying first class
and he was really drunk.
612
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,236
{\an3}And I guess Dru was sitting next to him
613
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,360
{\an3}and before she got off the airplane,
she was planning to marry him.
614
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:33,115
{\an3}She was very religious and very,
not like what Michael goes out with.
615
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:35,515
{\an3}When he got off the airplane and he said,
616
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,115
{\an3}"I met someone,"
we were all like, "Sure."
617
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:42,955
{\an3}Then when we met Dru, we thought,
oh, that's never going to last.
618
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,676
{\an3}But my grandfather rolled out
the red carpet for her
619
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,515
{\an3}and her parents.
620
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,916
{\an3}He wanted Michael and Dru to get married,
621
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,316
{\an3}because this was a wholesome
Tulsa wealthy family
622
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,155
{\an3}that was very religious.
623
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,555
{\an3}And my grandfather believed
that Dru could change Michael.
624
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:03,316
{\an3}After we got out of college,
625
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,796
{\an3}Michael came over one night
to Casey's house
626
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,396
{\an3}and introduced this woman as his fiancée.
627
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,475
{\an3}We got to know her.
628
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:15,836
{\an3}But then, he was with other girls
who went out with us.
629
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,115
{\an3}And you know,
we would ask questions like,
630
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,316
{\an3}"Did you break up with your fiancée?"
"No. She's fine."
631
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,239
{\an3}"She couldn't come out tonight."
632
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,836
{\an3}When they got married,
it was an elaborate to-do in Tulsa,
633
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,236
{\an3}where who's who was invited.
634
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,876
{\an3}It was a giant wedding.
635
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,236
{\an3}When Dru gave birth to Armie,
636
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,756
{\an3}they would parade him around to grandpas.
637
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,360
{\an3}Everyone fawned all over him.
638
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,836
{\an3}I remember being at Michael
and Dru's house in the Palisades.
639
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,756
{\an3}Armie, just this little cute
toe head little boy
640
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,035
{\an3}comes up to me and Michael says,
641
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,876
{\an3}"Will you give your aunt Casey
a hug goodbye?"
642
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,000
{\an3}And he kicked me in the shins.
643
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,716
{\an3}I was like, "You're such a little brat."
644
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,159
{\an3}But God forbid you touch
or say anything bad to Armie.
645
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,396
{\an3}Armie was given Armand Douglas Hammer
after my grandfather.
646
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,035
{\an3}He was the prince, the crown,
the continuation of the Hammer name,
647
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:22,599
{\an3}so the whole Hammer family could live
again in a whole 'nother generation.
648
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,236
{\an3}- Armand Hammer...
- Armand Hammer...
649
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,635
{\an3}Millionaire Armand Hammer is dead.
650
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,639
{\an3}He died last night at the age of 92.
651
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,716
{\an3}I was living in Hawaii
when I got a phone call
652
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,276
{\an3}that my grandfather had passed.
653
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,876
{\an3}And it was that phone call that
you never thought was gonna happen.
654
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,199
{\an3}It was from Michael.
655
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:59,276
{\an3}I remember dropping the phone,
656
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,159
{\an3}and the room spinning...
657
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,276
{\an3}Armand Hammer philanthropist,
art collector, and industrialist...
658
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,756
{\an3}It was a huge deal.
The coverage was incredible.
659
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,595
{\an3}From 1921, Hammer was making deals...
660
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:18,236
{\an3}I just remember being at the airport,
getting ready to board my flight,
661
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,155
{\an3}and on all the monitors and screens,
"Armand Hammer dies."
662
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,756
{\an3}Armand Hammer,
the son of one of the founders
663
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,396
{\an3}of the American Communist Party,
acquired Occidental Petroleum...
664
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,916
{\an3}You couldn't get away from it.
It was just surreal.
665
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,955
{\an3}I hope that when I pass on,
I will have left the world
666
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,639
{\an3}a little better than when I found it.
667
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:44,676
{\an3}Michael had called me,
668
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,716
{\an3}and grandpa was still dead on the bed,
669
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,515
{\an3}while he was looting the house.
670
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:54,955
{\an3}There were five vans out front,
671
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,756
{\an3}and Michael and Dru
bringing down tapestries
672
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,676
{\an3}and taking things from the house.
673
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,396
{\an3}I had flown in that morning.
674
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,035
{\an3}I rented a car, and I remember
driving to my father's house
675
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:09,876
{\an3}and I was just trying to make sense
of everything.
676
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,595
{\an3}A few days later, we were called
into Arthur Groman's office,
677
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,515
{\an3}who was my grandfather's best friend
and attorney,
678
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,639
{\an3}and that was where
the reading of the will was.
679
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,079
{\an3}Michael was on my right
and my father was across from me.
680
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,595
{\an3}Arthur Groman's reading through it
and saying,
681
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:34,756
{\an3}"And I leave my granddaughter
682
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:40,276
{\an3}Casey Lane Hammer, $250,000 in cash."
683
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,035
{\an3}And then, "I leave Julian Hammer, my son,
684
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:50,836
{\an3}$500,000, pay off his house
and car and debts.
685
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,000
{\an3}And I leave Michael Armand Hammer,
the Rolls Royce.
686
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,316
{\an3}And then the last paragraph or so was,
687
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,155
{\an3}"And the executor of the estate
688
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:10,360
{\an3}is Michael Armand Hammer
and his wife, Dru Ann Hammer."
689
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:19,075
{\an3}My grandfather had
40 million dollars of cash left.
690
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:23,639
{\an3}I got $250,000, my father got $500,000.
691
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,196
{\an3}Everything else got passed on to Michael.
692
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,555
{\an3}And at that point, you're like,
"Wait, what?"
693
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,199
{\an3}You don't think you are hearing
any of it.
694
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,236
{\an3}And my father starts going off.
695
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,635
{\an3}"What do you mean
you get the Rolls Royce?"
696
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,236
{\an3}"I want the Rolls Royce."
697
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,716
{\an3}And I'm like, in my mind thinking,
698
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,876
{\an3}you don't even understand
the gravity of what happened.
699
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,595
{\an3}It made no sense.
700
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:58,555
{\an3}And when I asked when the new will
was signed, it was in October.
701
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,679
{\an3}Forty days later, my grandfather died.
702
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:17,475
{\an3}The expectation of his family members
was, he was a billionaire.
703
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:22,360
{\an3}And then, when his will was read,
they learned that he wasn't.
704
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,559
{\an3}He had given away most of his money.
705
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,480
{\an3}So, the Hammer family was left,
basically, fighting among themselves.
706
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:39,396
{\an3}Michael decided he would grab
as much of the money
707
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,635
{\an3}and as much of the power as he could,
708
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,880
{\an3}and as executive,
there were few people to oppose him.
709
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,595
{\an3}It was like checkmate.
710
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,716
{\an3}Michael was putting the screws
to my father and I,
711
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,075
{\an3}and my brother told my mother,
"Casey's just a casualty,"
712
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:02,119
{\an3}because he hated my father so much,
he wanted him out on the street.
713
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,155
{\an3}To have Michael,
714
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,115
{\an3}who professed himself as a man of God,
715
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:11,480
{\an3}doing this to my father and myself.
716
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,236
{\an3}It's not about the inheritance,
717
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,880
{\an3}as much as it is
about just being acknowledged.
718
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:25,356
{\an3}I was completely left out.
719
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,075
{\an3}That's sad when you realize
720
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,719
{\an3}that you don't have any family
or anybody who love you.
721
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,356
{\an3}I don't know how to process all of that.
722
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,760
{\an3}I just, um, yeah...
723
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,239
{\an3}It didn't end well.
724
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:59,276
{\an3}Armie talked a lot about the evilness
of the men in his family.
725
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,276
{\an3}His dad, his grandpa, his great grandpa.
726
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,475
{\an3}He didn't sound ashamed of it.
727
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,400
{\an3}It's almost like it was a badge of honor.
728
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,836
{\an3}After the Sedona night with the ropes,
729
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,599
{\an3}Armie's pulling me even closer.
730
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,320
{\an3}We go to Dallas and meet his mom.
731
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,360
{\an3}He warned me
that it would be interesting.
732
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,880
{\an3}And that, it was.
733
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,679
{\an3}She's just like Armie.
She's gorgeous, tall, beautiful.
734
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,035
{\an3}They both command a room.
735
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:50,559
{\an3}You know, they have a presence.
736
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:57,960
{\an3}At dinner, Armie was talking
negatively about his father,
737
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,595
{\an3}and she just blurted out,
"You need to give him some slack
738
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:09,396
{\an3}because this happened to him
when he was younger."
739
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,199
{\an3}And it was something that
I should not have been there for.
740
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:22,880
{\an3}Nobody could have been prepared
for what I heard that night.
741
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,880
{\an3}It was just some deep-rooted
family trauma.
742
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,199
{\an3}Casey, was your father
sexually abusing you?
743
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,880
{\an3}Francesca Villa Iyuno-SDI Group
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