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Alexander McQueen discovered himself. 14 00:03:52,023 --> 00:03:54,867 (McKitterick) Lee had this very strange CV. 15 00:03:55,736 --> 00:03:57,579 (McQueen) I wasn't very good at school. 16 00:03:57,738 --> 00:04:01,368 I was always drawing clothes in every lesson, 17 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:05,211 in science, in biology and... 18 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,592 But I used to enjoy art most. 19 00:04:12,335 --> 00:04:15,009 (Joyce) When he left school he wasn't sure what he wanted to do. 20 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:18,308 He was out of work. Looking for work, I should say. 21 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:22,680 Because my husband's very strict on the children going out to work. 22 00:04:23,305 --> 00:04:26,605 We was watching a television programme one evening 23 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:30,571 and they was saying that they couldn't get apprentices 24 00:04:30,812 --> 00:04:32,359 to work in Savile Row. 25 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:35,321 So I just said to him, "Why don't you go and try? 26 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:39,325 "Just knock on the door. They can only either say yes or no." 27 00:04:39,988 --> 00:04:41,615 And that's exactly what he done. 28 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:47,500 (Hitchcock) Anderson & Sheppard started in 1906. 29 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:49,506 We like to do things slightly different to other people. 30 00:04:50,916 --> 00:04:51,963 We have a house style. 31 00:04:52,125 --> 00:04:54,503 That's what we're going to teach the apprentices to make. 32 00:04:58,715 --> 00:05:02,094 (McQueen) I was taught by a master tailor from County Cork in Ireland. 33 00:05:02,344 --> 00:05:04,472 (Hitchcock) He was the best tailor we had on the premises. 34 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:06,932 You start off padding collars, putting in pockets, 35 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,401 but you're expected to make a full jacket 36 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:12,646 ready for fitting by the end of the first year. 37 00:05:12,813 --> 00:05:13,939 As soon as you put it on, 38 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:16,070 it should fit like a glove and you know it's made for you. 39 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,949 (McQueen) I knew I couldn't survive in a place like that for the rest of my life, 40 00:05:20,529 --> 00:05:24,033 cluttered in a small workshop, sitting on the bench, padding lapels. 41 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:26,543 But I did have a passion and I was good at it. 42 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:30,960 I was good at tailoring a jacket. I was quick at learning trousers. 43 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:34,088 I wanted to learn everything. "Give me everything." 44 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,213 (Tatsuno) It was the beginning of the '90s 45 00:05:37,629 --> 00:05:40,178 when I had a bespoke tailoring shop in Mount Street 46 00:05:40,423 --> 00:05:42,016 and he just walked in one day. 47 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:44,102 He looked like a skinhead, 48 00:05:44,219 --> 00:05:47,314 but he just told me he can cut a frock coat 49 00:05:47,514 --> 00:05:50,518 much better than the 50-year-old tailor I had. 50 00:05:50,934 --> 00:05:53,813 So I was very curious and I just told him, 51 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:56,527 "OK, show me what you can do." 52 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,320 I never really made clothes in a traditional way. 53 00:06:01,403 --> 00:06:03,371 I was experimenting myself 54 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:07,205 in how to create structure and volumes. 55 00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:11,880 I 'd begun to just take in material, any material. 56 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:16,377 And, by putting them all together, somehow you can start to create 57 00:06:16,585 --> 00:06:18,337 this three-dimensional form. 58 00:06:18,628 --> 00:06:20,471 He wanted to understand 59 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:23,053 why I'm doing it this way or that way. 60 00:06:24,134 --> 00:06:28,856 (Janet) When Lee was 17, he said, "I'll make you a couple of skirts. ” 61 00:06:29,472 --> 00:06:32,726 And I've got to say, they fitted like a glove. 62 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:36,188 They were so fitted to my body 63 00:06:36,313 --> 00:06:38,361 I couldn't even move my legs, hardly, 64 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:40,825 but I used to get compliments on this skirt. 65 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:43,199 I did use to wonder, 66 00:06:43,528 --> 00:06:46,748 "I hope he finds the right thing for himself in life." 67 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:50,035 (McKitterick) He was a sweet boy from the East End, 68 00:06:50,285 --> 00:06:51,878 looking to make money. 69 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:53,626 We needed technical help, 70 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:55,377 machinists, pattern cutters. 71 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,759 We needed people who had hands-on experience 72 00:06:58,001 --> 00:06:59,127 in making clothes. 73 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:02,222 He gave me no attitude, was never late, 74 00:07:02,297 --> 00:07:04,550 always knew what he was doing, always delivered. 75 00:07:05,508 --> 00:07:09,684 He listened continually to Sinéad O'Connor, which was quite odd. 76 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:12,353 No one else liked Sinéad O'Connor at the time 77 00:07:12,515 --> 00:07:14,233 but he really liked her for some reason. 78 00:07:14,392 --> 00:07:17,236 I always remember him with his Walkman on, listening to Sinéad O'Connor. 79 00:07:17,646 --> 00:07:20,695 (Man) Three, two, one, ignition. 80 00:07:21,316 --> 00:07:22,659 Lift-off. 81 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:28,032 (McKitterick) Red or Dead was this very young streetwear company. 82 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:30,913 When I said to him that the Space Baby collection 83 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:35,248 was based on the anniversary of the men landing on the moon, 84 00:07:35,622 --> 00:07:36,999 he was like, "What?" 85 00:07:38,208 --> 00:07:40,427 He didn't know that you could take a subject 86 00:07:40,543 --> 00:07:43,262 that had no relation to clothing 87 00:07:43,755 --> 00:07:46,474 and actually get inspiration from that to design clothing. 88 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:48,135 So, he didn't understand 89 00:07:48,343 --> 00:07:50,971 this idea of visual research 90 00:07:51,179 --> 00:07:53,523 or historic references or sexual references. 91 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,769 (Control) We copy you on the ground. (Armstrong) The Eagle has landed. 92 00:07:57,102 --> 00:07:58,945 He must have asked me questions, 93 00:07:59,437 --> 00:08:01,986 "What can I do next? How can I push myself forward?" 94 00:08:02,232 --> 00:08:03,700 And at the time 95 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:07,867 all the designers in Italy were opening diffusion lines. 96 00:08:09,531 --> 00:08:11,499 He went to Italy with no language, 97 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:14,544 no place to stay, no money, no qualifications. 98 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:19,959 I thought, "Within a week he'll be back with his tail between his legs." 99 00:08:22,794 --> 00:08:24,967 A week later, maybe 10 days, 100 00:08:25,255 --> 00:08:26,723 I get a call from Lee from Italy. 101 00:08:26,881 --> 00:08:29,634 (Chuckling) He'd landed a job as an assistant for Romeo Gigli. 102 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:32,638 To say I was shocked was an understatement. 103 00:08:34,681 --> 00:08:37,525 (Gigli) I said to him, "OK, I'm looking for a new jacket. 104 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:39,519 "I have in my mind this shape 105 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:42,530 "but my tailors, they cannot reach that shape. 106 00:08:42,689 --> 00:08:44,942 "Maybe you can help me to do it." 107 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,573 And we start to do that jacket 108 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:49,905 and within the first fitting 109 00:08:50,321 --> 00:08:53,791 I say, "No, it's wrong. That is not what I'm looking for." 110 00:08:54,492 --> 00:08:58,042 So with the tailor, with Lee, they did one more. 111 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:02,384 We did the second fitting and again I take out the lining, 112 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:04,965 look inside the jacket and it was wrong. 113 00:09:05,336 --> 00:09:08,556 Third fitting I say, "No, it's incorrect." 114 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:13,349 And I take out the lining and inside the jacket 115 00:09:13,678 --> 00:09:16,306 Lee wrote with a black pen, 116 00:09:16,681 --> 00:09:18,103 "Fuck you, Romeo." 117 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,734 That was a time when I was looking for new shapes, 118 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:25,607 for shapes, for shapes... 119 00:09:25,815 --> 00:09:29,194 And he was looking so deeply and hard. 120 00:09:29,486 --> 00:09:33,741 He was really deeply looking to understand everything. 121 00:09:34,449 --> 00:09:36,497 He was leaving my studio 122 00:09:36,659 --> 00:09:39,788 because he wanted to study more and more and more. 123 00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:43,917 (Bobby) You can't teach talent. 124 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:48,221 But what you can do is make them better at what they do, or more professional. 125 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:51,850 And to me, the whole thinking behind this MA 126 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:54,974 was to make them work in teams, working together, 127 00:09:55,261 --> 00:09:56,979 as you do in the fashion world. 128 00:09:57,597 --> 00:10:00,521 I saw this unprepossessing, I must say, 129 00:10:01,309 --> 00:10:02,652 very shabby, 130 00:10:02,811 --> 00:10:04,404 very unattractive... 131 00:10:04,521 --> 00:10:07,616 I hate to even say this but it was true. 132 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:12,662 ...boy with a bundle of clothes over his arm outside my office. 133 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:15,327 So I said to him, "Who are you looking for?" 134 00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:17,834 And he said, "I've come to see you." 135 00:10:18,827 --> 00:10:21,671 But I had no job, which he said he was after. 136 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:24,670 The whole thing intrigued me. He was passionate. 137 00:10:24,749 --> 00:10:27,753 And to me this is the secret, really. 138 00:10:28,586 --> 00:10:30,133 You... If you tap into that. 139 00:10:30,713 --> 00:10:32,681 (Chuckles) I found myself saying, 140 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,767 "Well, I think you should come on my course." 141 00:10:35,093 --> 00:10:38,267 And I couldn't offer him money. That was really sad. 142 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:40,144 And it was patently obvious he had none. 143 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:42,518 Aunt Renee said she had money in the bank, 144 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:45,733 sitting there not doing anything, and she would rather help Lee. 145 00:10:46,020 --> 00:10:47,772 She'd worked in the rag trade. 146 00:10:48,022 --> 00:10:50,116 She knew that Lee had talent. 147 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,902 And he came back and said, 148 00:10:52,026 --> 00:10:54,870 "My aunt is going to pay the fees 149 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:57,035 "and I'm coming." 150 00:10:58,783 --> 00:11:00,785 (McQueen) Saint Martins was the place to go. 151 00:11:00,994 --> 00:11:03,372 But what I liked about it was the freedom of expression 152 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:05,924 and being surrounded by like-minded people. 153 00:11:07,625 --> 00:11:12,096 We got on really well because we had the same sense of humour. 154 00:11:12,422 --> 00:11:16,472 And he laughed all the time, so he was just funny and disrespectful. 155 00:11:17,427 --> 00:11:22,228 And he'd do catwalk shows down the corridor. He'd just muck around. 156 00:11:22,307 --> 00:11:24,309 Whenever he could muck around, he'd muck around. 157 00:11:25,435 --> 00:11:27,529 I was teaching there at the time as well. 158 00:11:27,812 --> 00:11:30,565 And he was not frightened to tell people, "I know better than you." 159 00:11:31,357 --> 00:11:32,654 Even the tutors. 160 00:11:32,817 --> 00:11:36,242 He was a bit of a nightmare student because he knew so much. 161 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:39,077 I'm sure he was a pain and did interrupt people. 162 00:11:39,449 --> 00:11:41,292 He didn't actually dare interrupt me. 163 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:45,163 But he used it. He used it as I intended him to use it. 164 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:48,675 And he'd come to a painting or a book 165 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:51,128 and, not having had a formal education, 166 00:11:51,753 --> 00:11:53,471 it was all new to him. 167 00:11:53,671 --> 00:11:57,642 And that was it. He reinterpreted things in his way. 168 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,770 It wasn't filtered through, as with a lot of us 169 00:12:00,929 --> 00:12:03,853 who'd had more conventional backgrounds. 170 00:12:04,182 --> 00:12:05,229 I loved that. 171 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:09,771 He knew where to go for everything. London was his town. 172 00:12:10,188 --> 00:12:11,565 "Where do I get my buttonholes?" 173 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:14,363 He'd go,"You want to go to Martin in Soho." 174 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:18,238 "If you want fabric, then you want to go to Berwick Street, Shepherd's Bush." 175 00:12:20,031 --> 00:12:23,752 He would take me to gay bars and he would take me to lesbian bars 176 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:25,666 and he'd, like, sit me there and he'd go, 177 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:27,622 "This is what you want. This is what you want." 178 00:12:27,872 --> 00:12:31,126 I'd go, "No, I just want to go home. Can I just go home and do my homework?" 179 00:12:32,293 --> 00:12:35,046 (Bobby) The course always ended with the degree show. 180 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:39,426 No other college had ever been invited, as lwas, 181 00:12:39,676 --> 00:12:41,770 to show during British Fashion Week. 182 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:45,477 (McKitterick) He called me when he was finishing the final collection 183 00:12:45,807 --> 00:12:49,186 and asked me to come in to have a look and talk to him about it. 184 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:50,645 It had all the elements. 185 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:53,690 H had the history of the East End. 186 00:12:53,982 --> 00:12:57,361 It had the darkness, Jack the Ripper stalks his victims. 187 00:12:57,610 --> 00:13:01,205 It had the research. It had a really great story behind it. 188 00:13:01,698 --> 00:13:03,996 (Rebecca) He was reading books like Perfume, 189 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:05,835 which is all about the murder of women, 190 00:13:06,411 --> 00:13:09,540 and he had a very dark side to him as well, 191 00:13:09,664 --> 00:13:12,292 so he was drawing from a“ of these influences 192 00:13:12,583 --> 00:13:17,214 and then creating something very beautiful out of it. 193 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:21,680 (Fast-paced instrumental music) 194 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:40,703 (Blow) The pieces went past me and they moved in a way I've never seen. 195 00:13:43,489 --> 00:13:46,618 And I wanted them. They were modern. They were classical. 196 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:55,468 He would do a black coat and then he'd line it with human hair. 197 00:13:55,626 --> 00:13:58,345 And it was blood-red inside so it was like a body. 198 00:13:58,546 --> 00:14:00,844 It was like flesh with blood. 199 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:05,353 And I just thought, 200 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:07,768 "This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen." 201 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:12,861 it was about sabotage and tradition, which is the perfect combination, 202 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:14,900 and beauty and violence. 203 00:14:15,313 --> 00:14:18,112 All the things that t suppose the '90s represent. 204 00:14:18,483 --> 00:14:20,326 (Applause) 205 00:14:20,651 --> 00:14:22,449 (Reporter) How difficult is it to discover genius? 206 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:25,198 (Blow) Not at all difficult, cos they have it and I spot it. 207 00:14:25,823 --> 00:14:28,622 If you're interested in late 20th-century clothes, 208 00:14:28,826 --> 00:14:30,828 Isabella Blow is a big player. 209 00:14:31,329 --> 00:14:34,424 (Blow) I was at American Vogue and Anna Wintour discovered me 210 00:14:34,582 --> 00:14:37,005 and I worked for her and then I went to British Vogue. 211 00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:40,346 McQueen was her knight and she was gonna take him to the top. 212 00:14:40,463 --> 00:14:41,510 She was determined. 213 00:14:41,756 --> 00:14:44,635 (Blow) I just knew. I rang up his mother and said, "You've produced a genius." 214 00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:47,891 You know, he's like the Saint Laurent of the year 2000. 215 00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:49,764 And his mother said to him, 216 00:14:49,847 --> 00:14:53,397 "Look, there's this mad woman who keeps trying to call us. 217 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:55,312 "She wants some of your clothes." 218 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:57,859 I rang between six and eight times a day. 219 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,574 Finally I got a little voice on the end of the line, "Hello?" 220 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:04,199 I said, "Can I make an appointment with you? My name's Isabella Blow." 221 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:06,327 I don't know to this day if he knew who I was. 222 00:15:06,489 --> 00:15:08,787 No, I just wanted the money. I was desperate for money. 223 00:15:09,158 --> 00:15:11,707 I wasn't interested in him either. I just wanted the clothes. 224 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:13,458 I didn't give her no money off. 225 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:15,965 I said, "That's 350, love. You can take it or leave it." 226 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:18,001 And... 227 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:19,381 And she loved that. 228 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:26,309 (Bobby) It wasn't until I went to the Bluebird Garage collection 229 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:28,011 that he did that I... 230 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:31,059 Well, I just thought, "What have I unleashed?" 231 00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:34,560 And he walked across and said, "I owe it all to you," 232 00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,861 which I thought was very, very sweet 233 00:15:37,019 --> 00:15:38,737 because it was far from true. 234 00:15:38,813 --> 00:15:43,319 He'd worked every... Every inch of the way himself. 235 00:15:44,444 --> 00:15:47,948 (Triumphal music) 236 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:58,838 Every fashion designer wants to create an illusion, 237 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,345 create things that disturb and fascinate people. 238 00:16:02,503 --> 00:16:04,676 Clothes are really beautiful to work with, 239 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:06,674 but there's also a reality outside. 240 00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:08,134 Some people don't want to hear it. 241 00:16:08,342 --> 00:16:11,596 It's all lovey-dovey and everything's fine in the world all the time. 242 00:16:11,846 --> 00:16:13,098 And I tell it the way it is. 243 00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:18,312 (Andrew) In the '90s, you used to make clothes to go out. 244 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:20,526 You used to make something just for that night. 245 00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:24,363 You're going to this nightclub. This person is on, or that DJ. 246 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,323 "Right, what are we going to do?" 247 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:30,077 t think Lee took everything. t mean, that's one of Lee's strengths. 248 00:16:30,323 --> 00:16:33,247 He took a lot of Bowery/s aesthetic. 249 00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:36,542 It's transgressive, it's in-your-face. 250 00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:40,133 And he thought, "How does this translate onto a runway?" 251 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:43,131 Lee also used that language of fetish 252 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:46,427 in terms of rubber and latex and leather 253 00:16:47,215 --> 00:16:49,559 and put it into his fashion design. 254 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:54,848 We started going out with each other but part of me was thinking, 255 00:16:54,972 --> 00:16:57,851 "But also it's quite useful cos I can sew as well. " 256 00:16:58,768 --> 00:17:00,611 It was literally anyone that could sew. 257 00:17:00,811 --> 00:17:03,860 It didn't matter whether they were any good at sewing or not. 258 00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,150 Were they willing to come and sit in the studio 259 00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:07,902 for, like, 16 hours a day? 260 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:09,946 And were they going to be fun to be around? 261 00:17:10,071 --> 00:17:14,451 Lee was the badly-behaved, naughty school boy 262 00:17:14,617 --> 00:17:17,461 that was always doing pranks on people in the pub, 263 00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:19,960 and that's the person that I liked and loved. 264 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:21,795 (Cheering) 265 00:17:25,753 --> 00:17:27,175 (McQueen speaking) 266 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,008 (Upbeat music plays) 267 00:17:31,092 --> 00:17:35,188 (Mira) At the time I first met Lee, lwas living in Hoxton Square, 268 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,899 and one day in pops this guy 269 00:17:38,349 --> 00:17:41,853 and I kind of figured he had rented, you know, the downstairs. 270 00:17:41,978 --> 00:17:44,106 "Come in for a cup of tea. Come in for a cup of tea." 271 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:45,777 And he asked what I did. 272 00:17:45,898 --> 00:17:48,742 I said, "Oh, you know, I do grooming for men, hair and make-up. " 273 00:17:49,151 --> 00:17:51,529 And he goes, "Oh. I'm having a show soon. 274 00:17:51,612 --> 00:17:53,535 "Would you do the hair and make-up for the guys?" 275 00:17:53,781 --> 00:17:54,828 And I was like, 276 00:17:54,991 --> 00:17:57,210 "Don't you need to see some of my work first?" 277 00:17:57,493 --> 00:17:59,495 I'd never done a show before, you know, so... 278 00:17:59,954 --> 00:18:03,128 And he's like "No, no, no, no. I can tell. I can tell." 279 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:06,594 (Alice) He said to me one day, "I've decided to do my own collection. " 280 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:09,931 I remember thinking "How on earth does he think he's gonna have a business 281 00:18:10,131 --> 00:18:11,303 "and make a collection? 282 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:16,225 "He's got nothing. He's got no money, no wherewithal, no studio, 283 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,099 "nobody to support him and nothing behind him." 284 00:18:19,432 --> 00:18:22,276 And yet he was determined this was what he was going to do. 285 00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:25,734 I survived on unemployment benefit 286 00:18:26,272 --> 00:18:28,320 and I bought all my fabrics. 287 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,865 I bought all my fabrics with my dole money. 288 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:36,291 And I went round to my parents for baked beans 289 00:18:36,407 --> 00:18:38,956 and tins of soup and things like that. 290 00:18:39,702 --> 00:18:42,080 (imitates violin and laughs) 291 00:18:45,249 --> 00:18:47,126 This is my pooch. 292 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:49,629 (Alice) He said to me, "I really need to get a logo." 293 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,844 We asked my boyfriend at the time if he would design it. 294 00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:55,138 It was my idea to put the "C" inside the 295 00:18:55,217 --> 00:18:57,515 but then Dave designed the rest of it. 296 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:01,603 He was fantastic at getting people to do a phenomena! amount of work for him. 297 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:03,851 And we were never, ever paid. 298 00:19:04,018 --> 00:19:07,488 In fact, we were paying him to work for him. 299 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:08,860 How amazing is that? 300 00:19:09,065 --> 00:19:12,740 (Mira) Just to be pan' of it, be part of his vision, yeah. 301 00:19:13,027 --> 00:19:15,997 He had that, even from the very beginning, that pull. 302 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,453 (McQueen) It's so bohemian. Warhol. 303 00:19:18,699 --> 00:19:19,746 Yeah. 304 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:21,877 (Mira) Dance your way to success. Come on! 305 00:19:21,994 --> 00:19:23,496 (Cheering and laughing) 306 00:19:24,622 --> 00:19:26,249 (Alice) Isabella was very keen to call him Alexander. 307 00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:28,627 She thought it sounded better as a designer. 308 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:31,299 It sounded grander and more romantic. 309 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:33,473 Issie got criticised for trying to make him posh. 310 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:35,345 So what? Good for lssie. 311 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:38,098 She was just trying to make him successful. And she did. 312 00:19:38,219 --> 00:19:39,766 Alexander McQueen is a brand. 313 00:19:40,096 --> 00:19:42,315 (Reporter) Why do you love her so much, Lee? 314 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:45,359 Cos she's the same as me. She doesn't care what people think. 315 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:47,145 At the end of the day we're... 316 00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:49,734 We're separate entities to everyone else 317 00:19:49,939 --> 00:19:51,907 and we have our own personal view about things. 318 00:19:52,274 --> 00:19:54,151 (Blow) When you fall in love with something, 319 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:57,701 you nurture it and you look after it like it's your... Garden. 320 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:00,116 People garden, they cook, they do the same thing. 321 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:02,039 My ingredients are clothes. 322 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:05,334 (Plum) She introduced him to everyone. She championed him. 323 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:08,583 So I suppose what initially started as a work relationship for her 324 00:20:08,666 --> 00:20:10,088 became a creative friendship. 325 00:20:10,167 --> 00:20:12,716 (Andrew) She was someone that was always really excited 326 00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:14,805 and wanted to see the next thing and the new thing 327 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,382 and wanted to push people. 328 00:20:16,507 --> 00:20:17,759 It was never about money. 329 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:21,429 I never saw any money going backwards and forwards between them. 330 00:20:23,097 --> 00:20:26,692 (Detmar) I just remember the laughter, the exciting creativity of the mid-'90s. 331 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:29,695 And the adventure they were on this rocket they shot to the moon. 332 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:32,773 -(lndistinct) -l'm sure you're a hungry little thing. 333 00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:36,156 (Detmar) The early days were very happy days. 334 00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:39,864 They were short times, but they were beautiful and they were funny. 335 00:20:40,364 --> 00:20:41,832 lssie didn't have children 336 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:45,787 so she threw her maternal love to her protégé. 337 00:20:46,495 --> 00:20:49,214 I looked forward to seeing him cos he made me laugh so much. 338 00:20:49,665 --> 00:20:51,884 Issie and McQueen had a very dirty sense of humour. 339 00:20:52,293 --> 00:20:54,887 McQueen would describe lssie as a cross between Lucrezia Borgia 340 00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:56,722 and a Billingsgate fish wife. 341 00:20:57,465 --> 00:20:59,513 lssie had a very vulgar humour. 342 00:20:59,717 --> 00:21:02,220 I always found the cocks and the cunts slightly... 343 00:21:03,012 --> 00:21:04,685 Always a bit... (Laughing) Oh! 344 00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:07,479 I wasn't really into their earthy humour. 345 00:21:08,058 --> 00:21:10,527 However rude McQueen got, lssie was even worse. 346 00:21:10,728 --> 00:21:13,948 They loved to play off each other like that and be outrageous. 347 00:21:14,023 --> 00:21:15,400 I know Alexander loves birds 348 00:21:15,566 --> 00:21:17,534 so I've got this bird hat on designed by Philip. 349 00:21:17,985 --> 00:21:21,330 We're going to do some falconry tomorrow cos Alexander's got a very... 350 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:23,290 He's passionate about birds. 351 00:21:23,532 --> 00:21:25,660 We're going to fly some falcons tomorrow afternoon. 352 00:21:26,118 --> 00:21:28,837 (Slow instrumental music plays) 353 00:21:47,097 --> 00:21:49,395 (Simon) We did go and stay at Hines a few times. 354 00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:52,861 You would end up diving into lssie's dressing-up box 355 00:21:53,062 --> 00:21:54,359 and we'd all be wearing 356 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,858 fantastical costumes for dinner and things like that. 357 00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:01,161 The world she inhabited was so far removed 358 00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:04,119 from the world that any of us had come from. 359 00:22:05,866 --> 00:22:07,413 There was a sort of unreality to it. 360 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,915 Whenever we went to that house, you just felt so at home. 361 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:15,509 And I think Lee felt very at home there. 362 00:22:16,627 --> 00:22:20,757 (Detmaq They had this big sister, a fun person to be with, who was outrageous. 363 00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:23,141 With lssie, "Be as different as you can. 364 00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:25,386 (Laughing) "And keep going! 365 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:27,938 "The more different, the more I love it." 366 00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:31,233 I really don't like the norm. I don't think it's... 367 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,227 You don't move forwards, seriously. 368 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:35,571 You just don't move forward if you play safe. 369 00:22:35,896 --> 00:22:37,739 You really do piss a lot of people off. 370 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,123 (Alice) His first shows were unbelievable. 371 00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:47,742 People were winded by them. 372 00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:51,125 People walked out. Quite a few acerbic reviews. 373 00:22:51,412 --> 00:22:54,666 But everything else before paled into comparison. 374 00:22:54,832 --> 00:22:56,926 I don't wanna do a show that you walk out of 375 00:22:57,001 --> 00:22:59,845 feeling like you've just had Sunday lunch. 376 00:22:59,962 --> 00:23:05,469 I want you to come out either feeling repulsed or exhilarated. 377 00:23:05,718 --> 00:23:07,470 As long as it's an emotion. 378 00:23:07,928 --> 00:23:11,353 If you leave without emotion, then I'm not doing myjob properly. 379 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,687 So that's that. 380 00:23:12,766 --> 00:23:16,191 That's the thing about Alexander. I think his clothes are very emotional. 381 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,023 This coat is, like, based on a tramp, 382 00:23:19,273 --> 00:23:21,321 so it's based on someone who hasn't got any money, 383 00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:23,819 standing in the street, nowhere to sleep. 384 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,580 You wrap it round yourself, you feel fantastic. 385 00:23:26,989 --> 00:23:29,868 Then you have all this passion and love 386 00:23:30,451 --> 00:23:33,546 and slashing and sex and romance. 387 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:37,549 (McQueen) The idea of the collection was never to produce. 388 00:23:38,459 --> 00:23:40,461 The shows were all about publicity 389 00:23:40,836 --> 00:23:45,342 and creating a marketing ploy for Alexander McQueen, the designer. 390 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:47,301 (McKitterick) They were impossible to reproduce. 391 00:23:47,468 --> 00:23:49,891 They were made of plastic bags or masking tape. 392 00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:51,187 They were show clothes. 393 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:53,232 (Andrew) Lee started doing bumsters. 394 00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:56,231 These were cut so low that you could see the model's pubic hair. 395 00:23:56,644 --> 00:23:58,692 (McQueen) It's nothing to do with pubic hair. 396 00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:01,528 It's just a technical thing where, as a tailor, 397 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,651 you're breaking up the proportion of the body 398 00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:06,574 by lowering the trousers, elongating the torso. 399 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:08,368 It's nothing to do with bum cleavage. 400 00:24:08,489 --> 00:24:10,867 It's an added bonus if you've got a nice bum. 401 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:12,584 (Detmar) He told that mannequin, 402 00:24:12,743 --> 00:24:15,166 "Put your pubic hairs in Anna Wintoufs face." 403 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,633 It's just funny, naughty behaviour. 404 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,461 You could give Alexander £500 405 00:24:22,711 --> 00:24:24,713 and he could produce 30 pieces of clothing. 406 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,259 (Andrew) He saw some cling film and said "I'm gonna make a dress out of that. " 407 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:30,682 'Tm going to put the model in it, wrap her up." 408 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:32,893 And he just cut this dress, put a zip in it 409 00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:34,606 and suddenly that went down the runway. 410 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,069 (Mira) Getting a tyre and running it over the suit. 411 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:41,196 Things like that. Just genius. 412 00:24:41,772 --> 00:24:43,365 (Andrew) £4 worth of lace. 413 00:24:43,607 --> 00:24:45,325 Invisible zip, £1. 414 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:47,619 Sprayed with car spray paint. 415 00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:50,664 They probably cost less than £10, those dresses, to make. 416 00:24:50,864 --> 00:24:54,494 But, through that weird alchemy of being cut and made by Lee, 417 00:24:54,702 --> 00:24:56,579 suddenly they're being requested. 418 00:24:57,162 --> 00:24:59,790 Avedon wanted to have this dress for Sharon Stone. 419 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:01,842 So it has to be in America now. 420 00:25:02,126 --> 00:25:04,879 "We need someone to fly over with the dress on Concorde." 421 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:08,349 That still upsets me to this day. I didn't get to go on Concorde. 422 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:10,176 (Both laughing) 423 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:11,643 It was me. 424 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:14,517 (Andrew) That's almost the period where I think, 425 00:25:14,722 --> 00:25:16,645 the madness really kicked in. 426 00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:19,898 (McQueen) The show was brilliant but I'll wake up tomorrow and think, 427 00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:23,114 "I've got to get a bottle of milk. Where am I going to get 42p from?" 428 00:25:23,439 --> 00:25:24,907 (Andrew) We went to a McDonald's. 429 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:27,485 We got two cheeseburgers, two fries, two Cokes. 430 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:30,033 And I was that tired that I just dropped the tray 431 00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:32,615 and then we had to pick the food up off the floor. 432 00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:35,292 And I thought, "This is a weird world, 433 00:25:35,409 --> 00:25:37,958 "that you've just shown the finale of London Fashion Week 434 00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:39,705 "but we haven't got five quid to eat." 435 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:42,049 That's how it is. People have got to understand that. 436 00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,211 You're doing fucking fab shows but you've got to start living. 437 00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,505 (Andrew) The Clothes Show, you know, BBC One. 438 00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:50,508 At the time 12 million viewers. You're 22 years old. 439 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,472 You're not in any of the shots 440 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:56,185 and you're dictating the terms on how you're going to appear. 441 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:57,890 (McQueen) Because I was doing the shows 442 00:25:58,015 --> 00:26:00,438 on money that I got from unemployment benefit, 443 00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:02,861 I could not afford to show my face on camera 444 00:26:02,978 --> 00:26:06,278 because I would be arrested for working as well as signing on. 445 00:26:06,523 --> 00:26:08,196 - Did it piss you off? -(Woman) No. 446 00:26:08,442 --> 00:26:10,115 It should have done. That was the idea. 447 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,572 (McQueen) I really worked that East End yob, 448 00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:17,460 this juxtaposition between a hooligan and someone that uses a needle. 449 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:19,044 And people couldn't fathom it. 450 00:26:19,369 --> 00:26:21,622 So it was new. It was a breath of fresh air. 451 00:26:22,206 --> 00:26:25,085 Savile Row, Cockney geezer, ding dong, all of that. 452 00:26:25,167 --> 00:26:27,420 He was aware how seductive that was. 453 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:29,926 I get a bit annoyed when I read that. 454 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,058 He was far from a bad boy. 455 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:37,517 In fact, he was a very loving, happy child 456 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:39,397 and very generous. 457 00:26:40,015 --> 00:26:41,688 (Woman) Beautiful face, huh? 458 00:26:43,185 --> 00:26:46,530 (Andrew) I just remember this one time when I went round his house. 459 00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:49,950 I think I said something was shit or something in front of his mum. 460 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:51,902 He turned round, glared at me and said, 461 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,909 "Don't you fucking swear in front of my fucking mother." 462 00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:57,954 (Joyce) We were never what people called poor. 463 00:26:58,158 --> 00:27:00,581 My husband was a London taxi driver. 464 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:02,754 Even though there was six children, 465 00:27:02,913 --> 00:27:05,507 they all had everything that they should have had. 466 00:27:05,666 --> 00:27:08,135 I don't know, it just seems... 467 00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:12,673 Like, honest, an honest place round here. 468 00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:15,802 You know where you stand, if you know what I mean. 469 00:27:15,926 --> 00:27:18,725 If someone's going to mug you, they tell you before they do it. 470 00:27:18,846 --> 00:27:20,348 (Laughing) I'm onlyjoking. 471 00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:24,401 (Gary) From our granddads, he got the sense of humour, 472 00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:26,361 which was, at times, wicked. 473 00:27:30,065 --> 00:27:31,317 (Laughing) 474 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:34,282 (Alice) I think that he struggled coming out of that background 475 00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:35,905 and going into the world. 476 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,990 I made the choice to come out to my father. 477 00:27:38,115 --> 00:27:39,788 I'd told all my brothers and sisters and aunts, 478 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,252 but my father was a London taxi driver. 479 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:43,920 He would come home at night and say, 480 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:46,670 "God, I nearly run over a bloody queer last night in Soho." 481 00:27:46,874 --> 00:27:48,046 I'd have to deal with this. 482 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:52,092 My dad could be a bit cutting sometimes, but he was joking. 483 00:27:52,504 --> 00:27:56,509 And if you didn't know him, you'd probably take that the wrong way. 484 00:27:57,342 --> 00:28:00,687 (Mira) Lee's father was saying, "Sell your clothes in Brick Lane," 485 00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:03,599 never quite understanding what Lee was doing. 486 00:28:04,099 --> 00:28:07,103 (McQueen) My dad wanted me to be some sort of mechanic or something, 487 00:28:07,311 --> 00:28:09,689 but... It never worked out that way. 488 00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:14,618 (Gary) From our nan he got that storytelling, 489 00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,329 that dark romance of the Victorian times. 490 00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:21,166 I think that really lent itself to his visions 491 00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,502 of the stories that he wanted to tell. 492 00:28:24,411 --> 00:28:25,754 (McQueen) It's all right, Mother. 493 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:32,336 (McQueen) Oh, Mother, come here. (Joyce) No, I'm too ugly. 494 00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:34,634 (McQueen speaking) 495 00:28:36,673 --> 00:28:40,052 (Andrew) She was very strong and powerful 496 00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,604 and quite a lot was unsaid, 497 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,020 but, my God, you realised there was a really strong bond between them. 498 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,944 (Alice) She made him feel like he could do anything. 499 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:53,399 I always encouraged them to read 500 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:55,409 and have lots of books 501 00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:59,197 because I myself loved history and things like that. 502 00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:03,204 That's one about a Highland clan. 503 00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:06,912 (Alice) She was looking into the genealogy of the McQueen family 504 00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:09,331 and aimed at proving 505 00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,710 that the McQueens came from McQueens of the Isle of Skye. 506 00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:14,928 (Gary) It opened up his world. 507 00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:18,720 He was born in Stratford, but he knew there was this other life for him 508 00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:20,676 which came from Scotland. 509 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,761 (Alice) She encouraged the sort of fantasy 510 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:24,972 and excitement of those stories 511 00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:26,394 and Lee went with it. 512 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:32,108 (McQueen) You have two types of Scotland people will associate themselves with, 513 00:29:32,312 --> 00:29:36,237 the Vivienne Westwood romantic Scotland, swathes of tartan silk. 514 00:29:37,192 --> 00:29:40,071 My ancestry is the Jacobites of Scotland. 515 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,498 The war of the English and the Scottish 516 00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:47,461 where the English raped loads of women, killed clans completely off. 517 00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:50,505 It's like a form of genocide. It was then. 518 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,207 And people don't realise this. 519 00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,215 I mean, take Bosnia. How many dead people have you seen? 520 00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:57,254 There's millions of dead people in Bosnia. 521 00:29:57,337 --> 00:29:58,680 It's just genocide in the end. 522 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,809 People have got to realise that it still goes on in the world today. 523 00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:13,983 (Ruti) There was something different about him. 524 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:19,824 He had this artistic energy in him rather than like a fashion designer. 525 00:30:21,903 --> 00:30:25,032 I rang his mother and said, "I want to work for your son." 526 00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:30,538 She gave rne the address and I went one morning 527 00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:33,757 and ever since, we were working every day 528 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:36,175 on the Highland Rape collection, 529 00:30:36,418 --> 00:30:38,591 trying to get the pieces ready. 530 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:40,630 (Mira) There were times 531 00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:44,218 when he hadn't yet started working on the collection and it was due soon 532 00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:46,471 and he would do one drawing after another, 533 00:30:46,595 --> 00:30:48,814 after another, after another, after another 534 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:50,732 and there was a collection in one evening. 535 00:30:50,974 --> 00:30:53,272 Very quick, very fluid. 536 00:30:53,894 --> 00:30:56,192 (Ruti) He was also very creative at night. 537 00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:58,861 His adrenaline was much more alive 538 00:30:59,107 --> 00:31:01,485 and we usually used to put music. 539 00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:05,997 (Mira) He would listen to the piano and it became very important. 540 00:31:06,406 --> 00:31:09,910 The composer Michael Nyman became part of his team. 541 00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:13,877 I was just enjoying myself to watch him 542 00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:16,300 because he was sitting like an old lady, 543 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:19,219 his needle and his thimble. 544 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,588 You can feel like he's... 545 00:31:21,922 --> 00:31:24,516 It's kind of a therapeutic work for him. 546 00:31:25,801 --> 00:31:27,474 (Alice) He went into a sort of zone. 547 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:29,596 I always used to say his eyes went black 548 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:32,141 because he suddenly was focusing on what he was doing 549 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:34,856 and he almost couldn't hear anybody else. 550 00:31:36,228 --> 00:31:38,322 (Andrew) He could draft a jacket, free-hand, 551 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,110 just with a piece of chalk, so he wasn't using measurements. 552 00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:45,162 He could just, from his eye, read someone's body measurements 553 00:31:45,278 --> 00:31:48,077 and then be able to draw that out onto a bit of cloth. 554 00:31:48,782 --> 00:31:50,534 At heart, Lee was a romantic, 555 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:53,916 and that romantic is because of that physical relationship 556 00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:55,543 to what you produce, 557 00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:58,508 which then comes back to that idea of craft in a way. 558 00:32:03,255 --> 00:32:05,633 (Gary) The family always got invites to the shows. 559 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,642 It was very important that my nan was there. 560 00:32:07,843 --> 00:32:09,971 He really wanted to make my nan proud. 561 00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:15,025 (Janet) Aunt Renee and Mum made sure that the models had some sandwiches. 562 00:32:15,225 --> 00:32:17,774 Mum would have probably done her sausage rolls. 563 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:22,191 We were all, as a group of young, really cool, English models, 564 00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:26,737 so excited to see this man that had this reputation. 565 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,824 (Janet) I was just amazed. All these people, photographers... 566 00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:35,667 And I thought, "My God, they're all here to see Lee. 567 00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:37,664 "I hope they're not disappointed." 568 00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:39,674 Because I thought, 569 00:32:39,833 --> 00:32:41,710 "This is just Lee from Stratford." 570 00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:44,171 (Fast-paced instrumental music) 571 00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:57,684 The darkness, 572 00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,818 the going to the depths and the recesses of one's mind 573 00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:05,484 to come up with such things like Highland Rape. 574 00:33:05,609 --> 00:33:09,830 "I'm going to send down loads of girls who look like they've just been raped." 575 00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:14,915 And then we were all looking like we'd come out of a hedge backwards 576 00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:17,121 and I was going, "ls this the hair and make-up?" 577 00:33:21,291 --> 00:33:23,635 (Andrew) They're not easy garments to look at. 578 00:33:23,877 --> 00:33:26,847 They do look like something from a crime scene. 579 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:39,477 (Kidd) I honestly just thought that he really just didn't like women, 580 00:33:39,768 --> 00:33:42,362 he didn't like the models, he didn't like anything, 581 00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:44,398 he was just trying to torture us all. 582 00:33:44,648 --> 00:33:46,446 But his vision, 583 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:48,364 when you actually came down, 584 00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:49,990 and the silhouette 585 00:33:50,195 --> 00:33:53,290 and the way he made you look was so extraordinary. 586 00:33:54,491 --> 00:33:57,586 I don't think I really understood, because I was 15 at the time, 587 00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:01,044 exactly what was going on or the connotations of it. 588 00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:05,343 It wasn't until probably the next day that I read the newspapers. 589 00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:08,296 And, you know, there was quite a backlash 590 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,802 of the statement of the show. 591 00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:12,175 I mean, it was pretty intense. 592 00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:16,981 But he made every single headline and that's what he wanted to do. 593 00:34:17,514 --> 00:34:19,357 And he sure got it. 594 00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:21,776 (Reporter) Judith Church, MP for Dagenham, 595 00:34:21,935 --> 00:34:24,108 thought there was no excuse for such a show. 596 00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:27,156 (Church) The very title of the show, Highland Rape, 597 00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:30,198 has been done to shock people. It's been done to attract publicity. 598 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,829 It has succeeded and that, in a way, is sad, 599 00:34:32,988 --> 00:34:34,865 because I think women want to look at fashion, 600 00:34:34,948 --> 00:34:36,291 but they don't want to see it 601 00:34:36,408 --> 00:34:38,911 in some way as portraying them as a victim. 602 00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,624 (McQueen) I'm not a misogynist. The idea was saying to the public, 603 00:34:43,999 --> 00:34:47,344 "A man takes from a woman. The woman's not giving it." 604 00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:48,719 That's what rape is. 605 00:34:48,837 --> 00:34:51,681 My oldest sister was badly beaten up by her husband. 606 00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:55,181 When you're eight years old and you see your sister strangled by her husband, 607 00:34:55,468 --> 00:34:57,015 who's now dead, thank God, 608 00:34:57,554 --> 00:35:00,774 you know, all you wanna do is make women look stronger. 609 00:35:01,683 --> 00:35:04,436 (Andrew) You might not like the honesty he was presenting you with, 610 00:35:04,561 --> 00:35:07,235 you might find it distasteful, shocking or aggressive 611 00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:11,239 or misogynistic, but for him it was his truth. 612 00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,241 Those garments all tell you about Lee 613 00:35:14,404 --> 00:35:16,202 and they're almost like confessional. 614 00:35:16,573 --> 00:35:19,577 They do relate to things that happened in his childhood. 615 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:24,589 We were just in our flat. It was literally in the middle of the evening. 616 00:35:24,664 --> 00:35:27,008 And he said, "Oh, by the way, I was abused 617 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,594 "when I was a child by my brother-in-law. " 618 00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:33,344 It just came out and he started crying 619 00:35:33,590 --> 00:35:35,763 and then we started talking 620 00:35:36,176 --> 00:35:38,770 and then, almost as soon as he started telling me all that, 621 00:35:39,012 --> 00:35:41,515 he said, "Anyway, t don't want to talk about that any more." 622 00:35:41,723 --> 00:35:44,442 (Gary) The stuff that he saw, I mean, the violence against my mum, 623 00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:48,864 the abuse he suffered by my dad and the abuse my mum suffered by Dad... 624 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:52,492 They had that affinity together. They shared that, Lee and my mum. 625 00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:56,322 They were both affected by the same person. 626 00:35:57,739 --> 00:36:01,164 And they had that connection through that, you know. 627 00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:04,542 And Lee saw my mum very much like a mother figure 628 00:36:05,205 --> 00:36:08,880 and somebody that he wanted to protect, 629 00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:11,340 but my mum wanted to protect him as well. 630 00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:16,801 I had quite a big burden on my shoulders. 631 00:36:17,509 --> 00:36:18,977 Erm... 632 00:36:20,637 --> 00:36:23,561 But I'd always felt close to Lee 633 00:36:24,099 --> 00:36:25,146 and... 634 00:36:27,227 --> 00:36:32,984 ln the early years, Lee had seen things like domestic violence and, 635 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,332 at the time, it must have also had an effect on his mind. 636 00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,372 (Gary) And that stuff he had to get out, 637 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:45,495 I think it was a way of exercising his demons, 638 00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:50,133 a way of protecting women and himself by creating these strong women 639 00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:52,215 who looked like they had armour on. 640 00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:54,471 It was armour for his heart as well, you know, so... 641 00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:58,717 (Andrew) The relationship between me and Lee, 642 00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,726 I joke that it was four seasons long, 643 00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:04,397 purely because I think those collections and those shows became markers 644 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:10,104 in terms of how our work life was also tied up with our relationship. 645 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,817 And, looking back on it now, 646 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:13,857 I can see the reasons why it would be... 647 00:37:13,982 --> 00:37:15,825 How could a relationship work 648 00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:19,658 with all the things that were going on in his life, 649 00:37:19,863 --> 00:37:21,865 all the things in his past? 650 00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:25,790 I can't think of any relationship that would be able to deal with that. 651 00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:30,005 (Short bursts of fast instrumental music) 652 00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:37,176 (Tape plays) 653 00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,052 (McQueen speaking) 654 00:37:51,728 --> 00:37:55,699 When you went to St Martins, in the first year you'd go to Paris 655 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:59,319 and the idea is that you're meant to go to exhibitions. 656 00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:01,537 But we would just spend all of our time 657 00:38:01,738 --> 00:38:04,207 wangling our way into the various shows. 658 00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,034 So we went to this show and it was... 659 00:38:06,242 --> 00:38:09,746 It was all very floral and there was chiffon and Lee was going, 660 00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:12,207 "Well, that's rubbish. That's rubbish. Oh, my God. 661 00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:14,835 "This is just the worst show ever. Bloody hell. 662 00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:16,966 "Givenchy, that's a load of crap! 663 00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:18,797 "That's for, like, old ladies. 664 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:22,851 "I never, ever want to work somewhere like that." 665 00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:24,059 (Speaking in French) 666 00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:37,278 It was a really exciting time to be covering the industry 667 00:38:37,482 --> 00:38:39,450 because it was changing, it was evolving. 668 00:38:39,651 --> 00:38:42,871 People like Bernard Arnault were buying up small family brands 669 00:38:43,238 --> 00:38:45,491 and then turning them into global corporations. 670 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,785 And first he brought in John Galliano 671 00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:50,332 and, after two years, moved John over to Dior 672 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:52,876 and then needed another new, young, hot flavour 673 00:38:53,122 --> 00:38:54,624 for Givenchy. 674 00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:56,755 (Presenter) And so he said... Why did he want you? 675 00:38:56,918 --> 00:39:00,047 He said when I was hired that I was his horse. 676 00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:03,141 I don't know if that's in looks or what, but... 677 00:39:03,258 --> 00:39:04,305 (Presenter laughs) 678 00:39:04,509 --> 00:39:06,728 But he said I was his horse he betted on. 679 00:39:07,095 --> 00:39:10,440 I was living with Lee when Givenchy called 680 00:39:10,515 --> 00:39:14,110 and he thought that they wanted him to design a handbag. 681 00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:15,945 And I'm like "Wow. WOW!" 682 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:18,406 "Cool man!" You know? 683 00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:21,159 Next thing I know 684 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,033 he comes in and he basically says 685 00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:27,244 they've asked him to be creative director of Givenchy. 686 00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:30,035 And I was like, "You are kidding me!" 687 00:39:30,285 --> 00:39:34,131 He called me at work and then he said, "They've offered me this job. 688 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,458 "If I move to Paris, will you come with me?" 689 00:39:36,541 --> 00:39:37,963 I was like, "Yeah, of course." 690 00:39:38,126 --> 00:39:42,222 It was sort of exciting and also quite scary as well 691 00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:45,259 because it was still that honeymoon period of our relationship. 692 00:39:45,842 --> 00:39:49,437 (Presenter) Why did you go to Givenchy, having already created your own name, 693 00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:52,857 having won British Designer of the Year twice in a row? 694 00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:55,317 (McQueen) For one reason, the money was good. 695 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:58,022 But what do I do with the money from Givenchy? 696 00:39:58,313 --> 00:40:01,533 I put it straight back into McQueen. lt helps me employ people for McQueen 697 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,110 to build my own company up. 698 00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:07,205 (Mira) Very talented people that he brought with him to Givenchy. 699 00:40:07,322 --> 00:40:08,369 What a team! 700 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:11,535 (Sebastien) He told me, "I will need a team to work with me 701 00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:14,003 "so I was thinking of you. 702 00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:17,208 "So, think about it and let me know." 703 00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:20,001 There's nothing to think about. Of course, I'll take the job. 704 00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:24,715 We took an aeroplane from City Airport. 705 00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:29,428 We were the weirdest people in the plane. It was all businessmen. 706 00:40:29,636 --> 00:40:32,230 And we were there with our bleached jeans, 707 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,478 with a lot of attitude. 708 00:40:35,308 --> 00:40:37,310 (McQueen) Where did you find this? In Japan. 709 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,937 (indistinct conversation) 710 00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:41,027 (McQueen) Really? (Man) Yeah. 711 00:40:41,356 --> 00:40:43,484 (McQueen mumbling in French) 712 00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:46,535 -(Man) Oh, oh! -(McQueen speaks French) 713 00:40:47,654 --> 00:40:48,701 (Whooping) 714 00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:51,707 (Murray) There was huge excitement. Cos imagine being that age 715 00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:54,453 and you're being given that amount of, one, responsibility 716 00:40:54,869 --> 00:40:56,212 and also that amount of money. 717 00:40:57,705 --> 00:40:58,797 (McQueen) Statue! 718 00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,710 (Murray) There's Sebastién Pons. 719 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,553 (McQueen) Hello, Sebastién! 720 00:41:04,170 --> 00:41:05,763 - Sweaty armpits. -Come on! 721 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:07,261 God, you've got wet patches. 722 00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:10,969 I think that in the McQueen studio I was a little bit like the bouffant 723 00:41:11,177 --> 00:41:12,554 because I was the funny one there. 724 00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:14,935 They were taking the piss out of my accent. 725 00:41:15,264 --> 00:41:17,733 A Spanish bouffant in a British court. 726 00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:20,479 (Murray) Simon Costin. 727 00:41:20,687 --> 00:41:22,689 (McQueen) God, you're looking fairly gross today. 728 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:27,365 I saw myself as the person that put things into context. 729 00:41:27,527 --> 00:41:29,905 The set was always there to reflect 730 00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:33,325 the sort of untold story of the collection. 731 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,669 There was Katy, of course, Katy England. 732 00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:39,456 (McQueen) Katy's the most important part of McQueen. 733 00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:41,875 Camera up, please. 734 00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:44,210 (McQueen) She's the Tweedledee to my Tweedledum. 735 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:46,337 She fuels my imagination. 736 00:41:47,171 --> 00:41:49,299 I help research the collection. 737 00:41:49,799 --> 00:41:53,679 I, erm, bring things to his attention 738 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,098 that I think might be important in fashion. 739 00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,268 Basically, I'm always there at the right-hand side. 740 00:41:59,642 --> 00:42:02,862 Shaun Leane was very much involved in the business, making jewellery. 741 00:42:03,312 --> 00:42:04,438 What do you think, eh? 742 00:42:05,064 --> 00:42:06,236 Fancy a dance? 743 00:42:06,482 --> 00:42:09,076 (Leane) For me to do work Hke this is very good for me. 744 00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:11,366 It allows me to go from one extreme to the other. 745 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,783 And now I'm going into different areas. I'm working with body jewellery 746 00:42:15,241 --> 00:42:18,120 and it's really going into a form of sculpture. 747 00:42:19,078 --> 00:42:20,421 (Murray) Sarah Burton. 748 00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:22,168 Sarah was the intern. 749 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:23,958 (Sebastién) He looked at us 750 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:26,177 like the sort of pillars 751 00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,797 that would make him feel secure. 752 00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:32,508 (Murray) We had this really nice flat. 753 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,729 I loved the area. I mean... Place des Vosges. I mean, hello? 754 00:42:42,477 --> 00:42:44,320 (McQueen) Oh, God, that's pretty scary. 755 00:42:45,438 --> 00:42:47,406 (Simon) Thinking about it now, it was tiny. 756 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,159 When I would come over to start working on the set, 757 00:42:50,401 --> 00:42:51,778 I'd be on the sofa. 758 00:42:52,487 --> 00:42:55,081 (indistinct background chatter) 759 00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,200 (McQueen) Ooh, ooh! 760 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,665 (McQueen) Sebastién! 761 00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:01,671 (Squeals) Oh, language! 762 00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:03,335 (McQueen laughs) 763 00:43:03,498 --> 00:43:06,172 I always ended up sleeping in Lee's room 764 00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:09,630 because Lee was always collapsing on the sofa. 765 00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:10,968 (Sebastién) Lee! 766 00:43:12,632 --> 00:43:15,135 - You changed the pillows. -(McQueen) Yeah, fucking right. 767 00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:17,558 (McQueen laughs) 768 00:43:18,221 --> 00:43:20,724 We had a driver so we got driven everywhere. 769 00:43:20,848 --> 00:43:22,850 (McQueen) Oh, wait a minute, he's gone blurry. 770 00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:24,481 That's better. 771 00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:26,112 Say hello to the people of England. 772 00:43:26,187 --> 00:43:28,155 (All laugh) 773 00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:29,945 (Murray) Such fun. 774 00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,448 (McQueen) We can do some funny tricks. 775 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:36,531 Hello, I'm on speed, baby. 776 00:43:37,073 --> 00:43:39,246 (All laugh) 777 00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:42,458 (Sebastién) When we arrived at Givenchy, 778 00:43:42,787 --> 00:43:44,539 everybody was kind of like 779 00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:47,500 bending their head to him 780 00:43:47,917 --> 00:43:49,919 and calling him Monsieur McQueen, 781 00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:53,969 which was like, "They're calling you Monsieur McQueen? Here?" 782 00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,516 (McQueen) Cath! Woo-ooh! 783 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:01,139 (McQueen laughs) 784 00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:03,475 (Sebastién) When we arrived I think they were in shock. 785 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,102 The way we dress, the way we work 786 00:44:06,269 --> 00:44:08,613 and the jokes we made. 787 00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:11,532 (Simon) Obviously it was very grand, with chandeliers, 788 00:44:11,858 --> 00:44:14,577 so it was very different from the working environment in London 789 00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:18,073 which was a very, very small room, chaotic, with stuff everywhere. 790 00:44:18,489 --> 00:44:20,287 (McQueen) Here I have my own office. 791 00:44:20,449 --> 00:44:22,952 I pick up the phone and I get what I want. 792 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:25,834 (Laughs) Cos I want it, I want it, I want it! 793 00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:27,416 So I ask for it. 794 00:44:27,707 --> 00:44:31,177 (Murray) We was just like a bunch of young kids running about in Givenchy. 795 00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,384 (Presenter) Were they surprised you were chosen? 796 00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:38,935 Well, I think that it put most people in a coma when I got chosen! 797 00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:43,063 (Sebastien) All of a sudden, we're there, 798 00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:46,066 sitting in Hubert de Givenchy's house, 799 00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:49,939 looking out the window and you see the Balenciaga sign 800 00:44:50,062 --> 00:44:52,064 and you knew that Yves Saint Laurent was there 801 00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:54,575 and knowing that John Galliano was there 802 00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:57,328 at Avenue Montaigne, just a few yards from there. 803 00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:00,281 And there we are with Alexander McQueen, 804 00:45:00,406 --> 00:45:02,659 being the new talk of the town. 805 00:45:02,992 --> 00:45:05,165 And I felt special. 806 00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:08,372 (Murray) He was trying to find his feet there. 807 00:45:08,539 --> 00:45:10,462 He obviously had to make a huge impression 808 00:45:10,625 --> 00:45:12,502 because it was his first collection. 809 00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:15,129 (Sebastien) I remember telling Lee, 810 00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:17,511 "Everybodys looking at us and we have nothing." 811 00:45:17,590 --> 00:45:19,092 And he always would answer, 812 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,018 "Don't worry, Sebastién, we'll get it done." 813 00:45:21,344 --> 00:45:22,391 (Tape plays) 814 00:45:23,012 --> 00:45:24,639 (McQueen speaking) 815 00:45:37,151 --> 00:45:40,997 (McQueen) This is Paris and Paris chic. This is Givenchy, this is not McQueen. 816 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,910 This is where elegant suits are made and fantastic fabrics are used. 817 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,878 I mean, it's going to take my own label, McQueen, 818 00:45:48,037 --> 00:45:50,631 another 40 years to get the reputation this one has. 819 00:45:51,207 --> 00:45:54,461 (Sebastien) I remember once we saw this beautiful work. 820 00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:58,681 Lee asked Catherine DeLondres, who was in charge of the atelier, 821 00:45:59,090 --> 00:46:01,218 "Who's done this fabulous work?" 822 00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:03,302 "She's not allowed to come in." 823 00:46:03,511 --> 00:46:05,639 He's like, "What do you mean, she's not allowed in? 824 00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:06,810 "Please let her in." 825 00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:11,691 I remember from that day on Lee wanted to see the person 826 00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:14,693 who has worked directly with the garment. 827 00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:17,946 And I think they loved that. 828 00:46:18,401 --> 00:46:20,244 (McQueen) This is the Bet Lynch dress. 829 00:46:21,821 --> 00:46:24,950 And we also treated it, bonding plastic over the top 830 00:46:25,866 --> 00:46:29,086 for raincoats so you get the whole ensemble. 831 00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:31,005 None of us spoke French 832 00:46:31,122 --> 00:46:34,217 and the French atelier didn't speak English. 833 00:46:34,542 --> 00:46:37,762 Lee would actually draw in the air how it would have to be. 834 00:46:38,296 --> 00:46:41,721 -(Catherine in French) -(McQueen) Yeah. Yeah, it's OK. 835 00:46:41,924 --> 00:46:43,972 (Catherine and McQueen speak French) 836 00:46:44,385 --> 00:46:47,355 (McQueen) Oh, it's OK. I thought it was just pantalon. 837 00:46:49,098 --> 00:46:50,771 (Catherine speaking French) 838 00:47:07,658 --> 00:47:08,784 (Catherine laughs) 839 00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:13,669 They're quite precise and like... They, like, take the threads out and... 840 00:47:13,998 --> 00:47:16,092 I just get the scissors and go, "Whack it off!" 841 00:47:16,584 --> 00:47:18,427 And they go... (Muted scream) Like that. 842 00:47:19,962 --> 00:47:21,714 And I go, "lt's OK, it's only clothes." 843 00:47:22,006 --> 00:47:24,429 (Mira) I'll never forget the expression on her face. 844 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:27,637 But in the end she saw exactly what he was doing. 845 00:47:27,762 --> 00:47:28,809 She was in awe. 846 00:47:28,971 --> 00:47:33,021 A very mutual, you know, respect grew between the two of them. 847 00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:36,399 (McQueen) Haute couture is about the atelier. I come from Savile Row. 848 00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,655 So I have great respect for the tailors. 849 00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:41,154 They deserve just as much praise as I do. 850 00:47:42,485 --> 00:47:45,284 (Sebastian) Lee, one day he said, "Where can we go and eat'? 851 00:47:45,488 --> 00:47:47,115 "Where do the workers eat?" 852 00:47:47,323 --> 00:47:49,542 And then Catherine said, "There is a canteen 853 00:47:49,825 --> 00:47:51,702 "in the basement for the workers." 854 00:47:51,827 --> 00:47:53,704 And Lee was like, "So let's go there." 855 00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:57,592 When we went down there, the people, they're flipping out. 856 00:47:57,792 --> 00:47:59,920 "Alexander is eating with us!" 857 00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:02,304 They couldn't believe it. 858 00:48:02,421 --> 00:48:06,676 These fashion houses, they treat the designer like he's a king. 859 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:09,057 And they treated Lee like a king, 860 00:48:09,303 --> 00:48:11,226 but Lee didn't want to behave like a king, 861 00:48:11,305 --> 00:48:13,683 Lee wanted to behave like a regular person. 862 00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:19,363 (McQueen) OK. 863 00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:21,157 The ideas for the show, 864 00:48:21,482 --> 00:48:24,110 they grew out of the collection as the collection developed. 865 00:48:24,652 --> 00:48:27,326 He would pull threads and stories out of that. 866 00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:31,167 And there was always mood boards and things pinned all over the walls. 867 00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:34,044 Everyone fed in. it was a very group practice. 868 00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:36,960 But Lee was the spider in the centre of the web, as it were, 869 00:48:37,206 --> 00:48:39,459 pulling everything together and distilling 870 00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:41,510 what it was that he had in his head. 871 00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:44,301 I remember the fraughtness about a week before the show 872 00:48:44,672 --> 00:48:48,051 with things coming down and not right and things having to be changed. 873 00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,519 It was really insanely crazy. 874 00:48:50,636 --> 00:48:52,354 The pressure was super intense. 875 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,542 (Sebastien) In 25 days to put a 55-outfit collection together 876 00:49:13,826 --> 00:49:15,328 is not an easy task. 877 00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:22,301 (Simon) The first couture show had the theme of the Golden Fleece, 878 00:49:22,501 --> 00:49:23,753 Jason and the Argonauts. 879 00:49:25,296 --> 00:49:27,014 (Murray) They wanted it to be amazing. 880 00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:31,727 My first feeling from Alex's description was, 881 00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:35,018 they had to be warriors 882 00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:37,395 mixed with goddesses. 883 00:49:37,683 --> 00:49:40,357 I said, "We do horns?" He said, "Yeah, but do big." 884 00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:43,488 I said, "But how big?" He said, "You know Genghis Khan? 885 00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:45,149 "He's the junior size. 886 00:49:45,357 --> 00:49:46,404 "Give me the senior." 887 00:49:46,692 --> 00:49:49,445 It's the 19th of January 1997 888 00:49:49,778 --> 00:49:53,282 and, as they say in the trade, we're about to witness a fashion moment. 889 00:49:53,407 --> 00:49:55,375 At the tender age of 27, 890 00:49:55,451 --> 00:49:58,000 British Designer of the Year Alexander McQueen 891 00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:01,333 is about to show his first haute couture collection. 892 00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:03,292 (Dramatic orchestral music) 893 00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:17,898 (Nicolas) Every model had to have a character, 894 00:50:18,098 --> 00:50:20,442 an identity, a signature. 895 00:50:20,976 --> 00:50:23,946 Every single girl could have been a show on her own. 896 00:50:25,314 --> 00:50:28,363 (Sebastian) Where did the inspiration come from? He told me, "From the logo." 897 00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:33,330 The logo is the Gs, which looks like a Greek motif, 898 00:50:33,948 --> 00:50:36,497 and the Givenchy label is white and gold. 899 00:50:37,952 --> 00:50:41,456 (Kidd) Always with Lee's collections, there were some pieces where you'd go, 900 00:50:41,830 --> 00:50:44,253 "God, that's rather risqué." 901 00:50:45,209 --> 00:50:48,258 I think a tot of the press focused on the ones 902 00:50:48,462 --> 00:50:52,433 that were a little bit more crazy or a little bit, you know, unwearable. 903 00:50:53,551 --> 00:50:55,724 French designers were complaining and saying, 904 00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:59,645 "Oh, they're not even French and they're taking over Givenchy. 905 00:50:59,807 --> 00:51:01,559 "Look what he's doing to Givenchy." 906 00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:03,568 I think it was them saying, 907 00:51:04,144 --> 00:51:05,737 "I'm still gonna be who I am, 908 00:51:05,813 --> 00:51:07,861 "regardless that you put me in this posh space. 909 00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:09,692 "I'm still who I am." 910 00:51:10,192 --> 00:51:12,695 I liked that, that they stayed true to who they were. 911 00:51:13,028 --> 00:51:16,953 They actually brought England into Paris in their own unique way. 912 00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:18,792 (Applause) 913 00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:22,330 (Nicolas) People were talking, fashion editors. 914 00:51:22,538 --> 00:51:24,882 "He has a big mouth. He has a big head. 915 00:51:25,207 --> 00:51:27,005 "Oh, the British! What does he think?" 916 00:51:27,376 --> 00:51:31,802 And then I understood that basically the world was against him. 917 00:51:32,381 --> 00:51:34,008 (Presenter) And you do your first show. 918 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,265 (Presenter) It's not a huge success. (McQueen) No, that's true. 919 00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:39,605 -(Presenter laughs) -Well done. 920 00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:43,560 They were wishing to see him crash and be destroyed. 921 00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:45,819 They have claws and knives 922 00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:47,613 and they're throwing everything into your back, 923 00:51:47,688 --> 00:51:49,440 which is fine cos I'm a good fighter! 924 00:51:49,648 --> 00:51:50,695 (Both laugh) 925 00:51:51,275 --> 00:51:53,198 I remember us afterwards. 926 00:51:53,402 --> 00:51:54,699 You know, Lee was... 927 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,078 Oh, hellish, yeah. 928 00:51:58,324 --> 00:52:01,544 That was a really horrid night. lt was a difficult night after that. 929 00:52:02,828 --> 00:52:05,297 A few punches and arguments. 930 00:52:11,629 --> 00:52:13,631 (Blow) I think he's done a lot with the house, 931 00:52:13,756 --> 00:52:15,758 because Givenchy have had a lot of press. 932 00:52:15,924 --> 00:52:19,804 It's a more difficult thing to deal with cos McQueen is McQueen in London. 933 00:52:20,054 --> 00:52:23,900 Givenchy is taking over from another man in Paris. 934 00:52:24,058 --> 00:52:27,232 As Alexander says,"lt's like taking a dinosaur out of the sea." 935 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,489 And I think in one season he's done that. 936 00:52:30,856 --> 00:52:34,702 So I think in a year he will have done 20 times that. 937 00:52:35,944 --> 00:52:37,571 (Detmar) Givenchy changed everything. 938 00:52:37,946 --> 00:52:39,414 The fun times were over. 939 00:52:39,865 --> 00:52:41,583 I had an accountant who spoke French. 940 00:52:41,784 --> 00:52:43,661 They were going to Paris to sign the deal. 941 00:52:43,869 --> 00:52:46,918 And I said, "Please, make sure lssie gets something out of it." 942 00:52:47,122 --> 00:52:48,544 And then I kind of did ask McQueen 943 00:52:48,707 --> 00:52:50,755 and he said, "lssie and I are not about money." 944 00:52:51,168 --> 00:52:54,593 When the money did come and Alexander cut her out... 945 00:52:55,339 --> 00:52:56,511 That was very tough. 946 00:52:57,007 --> 00:52:59,806 Their friendship changed. She was so hurt at this rejection. 947 00:53:00,135 --> 00:53:03,309 She'd have created a buzz. She'd have had a salon at Givenchy. 948 00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:06,358 She'd have made it the most happening place in Paris. 949 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:14,864 (Murray) I do remember going to Hilles straight after the takeover at Givenchy. 950 00:53:16,652 --> 00:53:21,203 You cannot imagine the tension between the two of them in this room. 951 00:53:21,699 --> 00:53:24,794 These designers think that you made me. 952 00:53:25,703 --> 00:53:28,331 - And it's never been about that. -No, they don't. 953 00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:30,708 - I know that that's... -But they do! 954 00:53:30,791 --> 00:53:34,671 You see it all the time in the press! They say, "Oh, Isabella Blow, 955 00:53:34,837 --> 00:53:37,590 "responsible for Philip Treacy and Alexander McQueen." 956 00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:40,009 -(Blow) No, they say... -They do just say that! 957 00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:43,429 (McQueen) But it's never been about that for me and you. 958 00:53:43,554 --> 00:53:45,022 Whether I was part of it? 959 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:46,898 Does that annoy you that they put a strap on it? 960 00:53:46,974 --> 00:53:49,568 "As discovered by Isabella Blow." Does it piss you off? 961 00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,697 No, not at all, because lssie has helped me a lot in that way, 962 00:53:52,855 --> 00:53:54,698 but not in the way that she's like... 963 00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:57,151 She does it because she loves my clothes, 964 00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:58,531 not because she loves me. 965 00:53:58,694 --> 00:54:01,072 Exactly. That's the point. 966 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,032 Because I can't stand her guts! 967 00:54:04,783 --> 00:54:06,160 I'm joking. 968 00:54:06,702 --> 00:54:10,377 (Murray) I do remember sitting there, thinking to myself, 969 00:54:10,664 --> 00:54:14,259 "Please, lay off lssie because she's done nothing but help you, 970 00:54:14,543 --> 00:54:17,296 "but you seem to be giving her a really difficult time." 971 00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:19,173 (Detmar) Issie kingmaker. 972 00:54:19,423 --> 00:54:22,267 This is the man she championed and then he resented that 973 00:54:22,384 --> 00:54:23,727 and wanted to be his own man 974 00:54:24,011 --> 00:54:26,890 so there was no position for Isabella Blow at Givenchy. 975 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:28,978 Punishment. 976 00:54:29,850 --> 00:54:32,399 And I remember McQueen turned to me and said, 977 00:54:32,478 --> 00:54:34,321 "I'm the tycoon now, Detmar." 978 00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:36,611 And it wasn't meant affectionately. 979 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:39,693 We had a policy. Don't show hurt, don't show weakness. 980 00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:42,534 Keep your head up, keep proud, keep fighting. 981 00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:44,914 Something will turn up. It's got to. 982 00:54:45,115 --> 00:54:48,164 His star ascended and hers didn't as much 983 00:54:48,368 --> 00:54:50,871 and, you know, he slightly abandoned her. 984 00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:54,341 (Detmar) Then Issie suddenly got this job at The Sunday Times 985 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,549 and McQueen said, "You've been resurrected, lssie. " 986 00:54:57,711 --> 00:55:00,009 And I thought, "No thanks to you, mate." 987 00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:06,263 (McQueen) I saw myself within the press and in the public eye as the gazelle. 988 00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,643 And the gazelle always got eaten. 989 00:55:09,473 --> 00:55:12,852 And that's how I see human life. We can all be discarded quite easily. 990 00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:16,860 The fragility of a designer's time in the press. 991 00:55:17,314 --> 00:55:18,907 You're there, you're gone. 992 00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:20,279 (Laughs) 993 00:55:20,734 --> 00:55:21,951 It's a jungle out there. 994 00:55:22,945 --> 00:55:25,198 (Sebastién) I went to his London studio 995 00:55:25,447 --> 00:55:27,666 and he was talking about a haute couture show. 996 00:55:28,033 --> 00:55:31,037 "I tried to please them and then I fucked it up. 997 00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:32,750 "I'm gonna do my own thing. 998 00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:35,215 "It's gonna be very McQueen, the next one. 999 00:55:35,457 --> 00:55:39,587 "Fuck you! Fuck you, all of you. I'm gonna show you." 1000 00:55:39,878 --> 00:55:43,303 (Simon) We went from this sort of... The hallowed halls of Givenchy 1001 00:55:43,841 --> 00:55:46,344 into the sort of rough, gritty Borough Market, 1002 00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:48,933 people just sweeping all the rotting fruit and veg up. 1003 00:55:49,096 --> 00:55:51,599 (McQueen) It's nice to show them the rough pan' of London, 1004 00:55:51,765 --> 00:55:54,609 make them a bit scared, look over their shoulder once in a while. 1005 00:55:54,768 --> 00:55:56,315 (Nicolas) It's nothing to do with couture. 1006 00:55:56,436 --> 00:55:57,813 Now you've got your own studio. 1007 00:55:57,855 --> 00:56:01,450 We're in another chapter, in another world, in another McQueen. 1008 00:56:01,650 --> 00:56:04,324 All camera crews go round the front gate. 1009 00:56:04,444 --> 00:56:06,117 (Simon) The London shows were always... 1010 00:56:06,321 --> 00:56:08,323 The audience, the expectation, was so great. 1011 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:12,336 The shows in Paris were far more formal and reserved. 1012 00:56:12,536 --> 00:56:14,630 People would scream their heads off in London. 1013 00:56:17,499 --> 00:56:22,471 (Kidd) It was crazy, people literally fighting to see the catwalk. 1014 00:56:23,714 --> 00:56:25,842 (Murray) Lee just running from model to model 1015 00:56:26,008 --> 00:56:27,931 and screaming and shouting at everyone. 1016 00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,846 (McQueen) Simon, we want to start the show! 1017 00:56:31,305 --> 00:56:34,559 (Shaw) And just always moving, always dressing, always stressing. 1018 00:56:35,017 --> 00:56:37,691 Stressing and dressing, actually, together. 1019 00:56:38,145 --> 00:56:40,022 (Woman) Are we all standing by, ready to go? 1020 00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:41,319 (McQueen) OK. 1021 00:56:41,481 --> 00:56:43,859 Where's Russell? ls he out there? ls he getting ready? 1022 00:56:44,151 --> 00:56:45,323 (Woman) Yeah. 1023 00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:47,621 (Shaw) One of the models was late. 1024 00:56:47,696 --> 00:56:50,415 He said, "Fuck her" and he started the show. 1025 00:56:50,699 --> 00:56:53,373 (Kidd) He'd just go, "Right, Jodes, just go for it. " 1026 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:54,832 He used to psyche me up. 1027 00:56:54,953 --> 00:56:57,297 I used to literally get out onto the catwalk and go... 1028 00:56:57,497 --> 00:56:58,669 (Roars) 1029 00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:07,682 (Simon) It was really the first time 1030 00:57:07,841 --> 00:57:11,687 the collection kind of seeped out into everything, 1031 00:57:11,887 --> 00:57:15,983 from the energy that was in that space to the effect it had on people. 1032 00:57:17,225 --> 00:57:20,695 A sort of angst, an anger and fear, 1033 00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,986 that was woven through that show. 1034 00:57:24,149 --> 00:57:25,651 (Sebastién) We were mind-blown 1035 00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:28,950 because they didn't look like models. 1036 00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,328 They look like animals with this big hair 1037 00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:34,451 and this animal make-up. 1038 00:57:34,826 --> 00:57:35,873 It was like... 1039 00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:38,080 It was intense. 1040 00:57:40,624 --> 00:57:42,501 (Simon) Some students that weren't allowed in 1041 00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:46,259 stormed the barricades and kicked over a“ these fire pots. 1042 00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:49,007 And then the fire started. 1043 00:57:49,633 --> 00:57:51,476 (Simon) Cos there were a pile of crashed cars 1044 00:57:51,843 --> 00:57:55,063 and I don't think we'd emptied the cars of petrol. 1045 00:57:55,347 --> 00:57:57,065 (Kidd) The car's actually on fire. 1046 00:57:57,683 --> 00:58:00,653 There's a fricking car on fire on the catwalk. 1047 00:58:00,936 --> 00:58:03,155 (Simon) And everyone thought it was part of the show. 1048 00:58:03,522 --> 00:58:06,901 "Don't you...dare go out there with fire extinguishers. 1049 00:58:07,067 --> 00:58:09,866 "Just keep sending them out. Keep sending them out." 1050 00:58:11,571 --> 00:58:15,166 (Shaw) Had that not been rectified, that whole tent 1051 00:58:15,659 --> 00:58:19,835 and all the top fashion editors and models would have been history. 1052 00:58:21,123 --> 00:58:27,096 (Kidd) That's just back to typical, wonderful, mad, brilliant Lee. 1053 00:58:28,422 --> 00:58:30,174 (Crowd applauding) 1054 00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:35,437 (Slow dramatic orchestral music) 1055 00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:41,393 (Tape plays) 1056 00:58:43,562 --> 00:58:45,030 (McQueen speaking) 1057 00:58:53,113 --> 00:58:55,992 (Reporter) Did you move out of London and settle in Paris? 1058 00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:59,579 I stay in both. I'm here for six months and in London six months. All over. 1059 00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:03,715 My dog is in London and I'm missing him. I'm missing my dog. 1060 00:59:03,874 --> 00:59:06,047 (Reporter laughs) 1061 00:59:06,168 --> 00:59:09,047 (Melancholic music) 1062 00:59:11,548 --> 00:59:15,348 (Mira) TraveHing between the two cities to do Givenchy and McQueen, 1063 00:59:15,469 --> 00:59:17,767 of course it would take its toll. 1064 00:59:18,972 --> 00:59:20,269 But he did it. 1065 00:59:20,515 --> 00:59:22,859 And he managed to make the shows amazing. 1066 00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:29,692 (Simon) By that time there was so much more pressure 1067 00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:32,949 because he was also doing his own line and then having to do 1068 00:59:33,153 --> 00:59:34,826 ready-to-wear and couture. 1069 00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:37,620 You could see the beginning of the pressure that Lee was under. 1070 00:59:37,866 --> 00:59:41,291 (Sebastién) The favourite company of LVMH was Dior. 1071 00:59:41,661 --> 00:59:46,007 Lee felt they were really comparing him with Galliano. 1072 00:59:46,917 --> 00:59:48,965 And then he sort of found out 1073 00:59:49,127 --> 00:59:53,007 that John had four times more budget than him 1074 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:55,934 to create his haute couture collection. 1075 00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:59,767 The house we loved was the McQueen house. 1076 01:00:00,222 --> 01:00:02,941 Givenchy was like a stepbrother. 1077 01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:07,571 We knew that our time there had an expiry date. 1078 01:00:09,231 --> 01:00:14,112 When we arrived at Paris Lee's clothes tended to be very rigid 1079 01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:16,367 and I think in Paris 1080 01:00:16,530 --> 01:00:19,283 he got to discover the soft side of things. 1081 01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:24,000 We took that and we brought it to London. 1082 01:00:26,123 --> 01:00:29,548 For No. 13, I remember him very happy. 1083 01:00:29,668 --> 01:00:34,174 Lee had it very clear in his head what he wanted to do. 1084 01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:36,891 We all left the meeting thinking, 1085 01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:38,976 "Oh, my God, he has it very dear this season." 1086 01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:41,264 "He knows what colours, he knows the shape..." 1087 01:00:41,429 --> 01:00:44,683 He himself was feeling at peace. 1088 01:00:47,352 --> 01:00:51,232 The first show I ever worked on with Lee, he liked the idea of robots. 1089 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:53,408 (Sebastien) Lee kept going on about it, 1090 01:00:53,608 --> 01:00:55,531 "Oh, I 'm gonna have this robot, this model. " 1091 01:00:55,861 --> 01:00:59,991 And we were like "Oh, no! The robots again. Oh, my God." 1092 01:01:02,367 --> 01:01:03,994 We were just hoping he was gonna forget the idea. 1093 01:01:04,286 --> 01:01:07,881 But then, the night before the show, the robot did turn up 1094 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,792 and we didn't have a dress to go with the robot. 1095 01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:12,427 I went back to the studio. 1096 01:01:12,544 --> 01:01:16,048 I was like, "Guys, we need to make a dress for the finale." 1097 01:01:16,339 --> 01:01:19,843 We went under the table and pulled all these jewels out 1098 01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:22,562 and he was like, "Hey, there's the dress." 1099 01:01:23,054 --> 01:01:26,649 (Slow instrumental music) 1100 01:01:30,562 --> 01:01:32,189 (Mira) They told him it was impossible 1101 01:01:32,272 --> 01:01:34,445 and he said, "No, it's not. You can do it." 1102 01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:38,328 That's what Lee did for people, he made them do the impossible. 1103 01:01:39,237 --> 01:01:42,537 (Joseph) We got some technician down to operate the robots and Lee was, 1104 01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:44,872 "Oh, yeah, let's make the robots do more of this." 1105 01:01:45,035 --> 01:01:47,208 He's directing these robots like they're actors 1106 01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:51,709 and, consequently, you end up with this incredible choreography, 1107 01:01:51,917 --> 01:01:53,260 her spinning. 1108 01:01:54,628 --> 01:01:57,757 (McQueen) You had Shalom Harlow there and these two robots going round. 1109 01:01:58,006 --> 01:02:01,135 And the thing is, the robots looked like they had a mind of their own. 1110 01:02:03,637 --> 01:02:06,891 (Pace of music speeds up) 1111 01:02:20,654 --> 01:02:24,534 (McQueen) I think that's the first time that I was blown away by my own show. 1112 01:02:25,367 --> 01:02:28,712 That man and machine thing at the end was... I 'm still in shock, really. 1113 01:02:28,912 --> 01:02:30,914 It's the first time I've cried at my show, so... 1114 01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:32,712 Yeah. 1115 01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:05,203 (Janet) Lee was living his dream. 1116 01:03:05,532 --> 01:03:08,536 He would never have given the work up, as hard as it was, 1117 01:03:08,702 --> 01:03:11,171 because you get that one chance in life. 1118 01:03:13,290 --> 01:03:17,090 (Mira) The first time I knew that Lee was actually getting very famous 1119 01:03:17,252 --> 01:03:19,721 was when some stranger came up to us 1120 01:03:19,879 --> 01:03:21,927 in the supermarket and asked for his autograph. 1121 01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:25,640 And I remember him saying to me, "Oh, my God, that's so scary." 1122 01:03:26,177 --> 01:03:29,181 And I realised then that something was happening. 1123 01:03:29,347 --> 01:03:32,521 He was breaking outside of fashion and becoming famous. 1124 01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:36,647 (Alice) That whole celebrity thing, people chasing after him. 1125 01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:38,360 You got the feeling he was saying, 1126 01:03:38,481 --> 01:03:41,109 "This is not the important thing. This fame is nonsense. 1127 01:03:41,609 --> 01:03:43,828 "The important thing is what I do." 1128 01:03:44,863 --> 01:03:47,036 (Murray) I sometimes wish he'd had a normal life 1129 01:03:47,115 --> 01:03:50,244 and that he could just be a normal person 1130 01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:54,669 in terms of not having that pressure of everything at such a young age. 1131 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,136 (Mira) I knew Lee when he had nothing but a rubbish bin full of clothes, 1132 01:03:59,294 --> 01:04:03,265 so I saw very quickly him become a millionaire and more. 1133 01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:07,519 And the more money he had, he seemed to be more unhappy. 1134 01:04:08,803 --> 01:04:10,396 (Detmar) With the money came drugs. 1135 01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:12,391 And that was the sad thing. 1136 01:04:12,557 --> 01:04:13,729 (Tape plays) 1137 01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:15,856 (McQueen speaking) 1138 01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:38,333 (Mira) When did it become bad? 1139 01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:42,045 Well, it became bad when the pressure became too much for him 1140 01:04:42,212 --> 01:04:45,261 and he obviously started dealing with it 1141 01:04:45,465 --> 01:04:49,220 in ways he shouldn't have, unfortunately. 1142 01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:51,771 (Detmar) With cocaine came an aggressiveness, 1143 01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:54,683 that kind of anger, that sort of paranoia. 1144 01:04:55,475 --> 01:04:57,352 He still made some great clothes, 1145 01:04:57,435 --> 01:04:59,233 but the personality changed. 1146 01:04:59,354 --> 01:05:03,200 (McQueen) All the hard work I do. I do 10 collections a year. 1147 01:05:03,358 --> 01:05:04,530 And it's hard work. 1148 01:05:04,692 --> 01:05:07,320 I didn't go to Givenchy, they come to me. 1149 01:05:07,529 --> 01:05:09,782 I got really upset when people started saying 1150 01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:12,792 I was gonna get fired when it wasn't true. 1151 01:05:12,992 --> 01:05:14,835 "Sod the lot of you. I do what I like." 1152 01:05:18,164 --> 01:05:19,757 (Murray) There was definitely a change 1153 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:21,884 and definitely a move in our relationship. 1154 01:05:22,043 --> 01:05:24,216 He had two sides to him. 1155 01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:27,181 He could come in a super cool mood, 1156 01:05:27,507 --> 01:05:30,977 like, full of laughter and that, 1157 01:05:31,052 --> 01:05:32,725 or it could be 1158 01:05:33,012 --> 01:05:34,685 a devil crossing the door. 1159 01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:37,442 (Murray) He was obviously a very troubled person 1160 01:05:38,226 --> 01:05:40,069 and the darkness created 1161 01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:44,358 this amazing creativity and genius artist. 1162 01:05:48,027 --> 01:05:51,156 T had a tattoo saying McQueen on my arm. 1163 01:05:51,823 --> 01:05:53,700 I got it covered up and when he found out, 1164 01:05:53,867 --> 01:05:55,790 that was kind of like the end of everything. 1165 01:05:57,162 --> 01:05:58,505 (Alice) Lee was a romantic. 1166 01:05:58,872 --> 01:06:01,796 I think that he flirted always with the idea of love. 1167 01:06:01,875 --> 01:06:04,128 I'm not sure whether he ever achieved it. 1168 01:06:05,503 --> 01:06:08,382 The big thing in his life that he was in love with was his work. 1169 01:06:08,673 --> 01:06:11,722 And also he didn't trust anyone. 1170 01:06:12,218 --> 01:06:13,561 He thought, 1171 01:06:13,845 --> 01:06:16,724 "lf the boyfriend is not here, it's because he's with someone else." 1172 01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:19,234 And that made him suffer a lot. 1173 01:06:19,767 --> 01:06:23,192 (McQueen) People forget fashion 's always been about attracting a mate. 1174 01:06:23,313 --> 01:06:25,862 H's about sexuality, showing a person who you are. 1175 01:06:26,024 --> 01:06:28,493 I'm sorry if you think I'm stupid. 1176 01:06:28,818 --> 01:06:31,697 Even though I'm chubby and I would like to look smaller. 1177 01:06:32,113 --> 01:06:34,081 I mean, let's be realistic here. 1178 01:06:34,532 --> 01:06:35,909 (Tape plays) 1179 01:06:36,409 --> 01:06:37,456 (McQueen speaking) 1180 01:06:44,334 --> 01:06:46,177 (Alice) When he changed his appearance, 1181 01:06:46,377 --> 01:06:48,800 he said, "I changed myself. it was the wrong thing to do. 1182 01:06:49,005 --> 01:06:51,053 "I lost touch with who I was." 1183 01:06:51,591 --> 01:06:55,016 (McKitterick) What was it? Ten years from Lee, little Lee McQueen, 1184 01:06:55,094 --> 01:06:56,937 satin the corner of my studio sewing away, 1185 01:06:57,180 --> 01:07:00,684 to this svelte figure dressed in Comme des Gargons, 1186 01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:03,486 having to become something he didn't really want to be, 1187 01:07:03,728 --> 01:07:06,698 this son' of persona, this Alexander McQueen. 1188 01:07:08,733 --> 01:07:10,030 (Tape plays) 1189 01:07:11,736 --> 01:07:13,204 (McQueen speaking) 1190 01:07:34,551 --> 01:07:36,144 (Simon) 6:00 in the morning. 1191 01:07:37,011 --> 01:07:39,764 (Woman 1) Don't! Don't do that to her. (Woman 2) Oh, Simon. 1192 01:07:40,098 --> 01:07:42,226 -(Simon chuckles) -(Woman 2) Oh, my God. 1193 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,728 (Simon, chuckling) She's only got a few hours left. 1194 01:07:47,689 --> 01:07:49,282 It wasn't fun any more for me. 1195 01:07:49,649 --> 01:07:51,993 That was the bottom line. It just wasn't fun any more. 1196 01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:54,488 (indistinct conversation) 1197 01:07:54,612 --> 01:07:56,706 (Woman) I don't like the camera much. 1198 01:07:56,823 --> 01:07:58,666 Turn it off now. 1199 01:07:59,033 --> 01:08:01,502 (Mira) I've never done better work than my time with Lee. 1200 01:08:01,953 --> 01:08:05,708 There was times that were dark with him and times that were very bright. 1201 01:08:06,165 --> 01:08:09,510 And we all chose it. We all chose to be there. 1202 01:08:10,044 --> 01:08:12,513 We all chose to not be there sometimes as well. 1203 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,723 (Sebastién) I collapsed once in Givenchy 1204 01:08:15,008 --> 01:08:18,182 because of the pressure and the workload. 1205 01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:20,938 We had a price to pay and it was our health. 1206 01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:24,062 I grew in the company, of course. 1207 01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:27,108 I wasn't the little boy that I started there. 1208 01:08:27,478 --> 01:08:30,027 As I grew up, I realised that... 1209 01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:35,613 I was feeling like I was a little bit claustrophobic of the situation. 1210 01:08:36,154 --> 01:08:38,873 (McQueen cheerfully) Sebastién! (Man) Oh, Sebastién... 1211 01:08:39,073 --> 01:08:40,700 (McQueen) Come on, you ugly bitch. 1212 01:08:41,993 --> 01:08:43,495 (McQueen laughing) Ooh! 1213 01:08:43,828 --> 01:08:46,832 It was like full devotion to the McQueen house. 1214 01:08:47,373 --> 01:08:49,341 Looking after his dogs, 1215 01:08:49,876 --> 01:08:52,004 endless hours of working 1216 01:08:52,337 --> 01:08:55,216 and weekends either working 1217 01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:57,058 or socialising with Lee. 1218 01:08:57,383 --> 01:09:00,262 We were going also on holiday together. 1219 01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:03,607 I even know how to fake his signature, you know. 1220 01:09:04,015 --> 01:09:05,983 I was feeling, like, trapped. 1221 01:09:06,893 --> 01:09:09,146 Even if I loved what I was doing. 1222 01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:13,108 I tried to... To speak with him 1223 01:09:13,441 --> 01:09:15,239 and that didn't end up that well. 1224 01:09:15,610 --> 01:09:17,988 The day I told him I was leaving, he told me, 1225 01:09:18,237 --> 01:09:20,956 "Well, you'd better think about it because there is no way back." 1226 01:09:23,368 --> 01:09:26,372 And I left and it was really sad, you know. 1227 01:09:26,496 --> 01:09:29,249 My leaving, you know, it was... 1228 01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:31,175 No one... 1229 01:09:32,543 --> 01:09:35,797 No one, erm... No one came to... 1230 01:09:37,256 --> 01:09:40,180 After all the work I've done and... 1231 01:09:40,843 --> 01:09:42,220 (Sighs) 1232 01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:52,067 Unfortunately, Lee took things quite to heart 1233 01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:54,695 without maybe thinking about 1234 01:09:54,857 --> 01:09:56,530 what the other person was going through 1235 01:09:56,609 --> 01:09:58,156 or what they needed 1236 01:09:58,361 --> 01:09:59,988 and he would take it very personally 1237 01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:02,915 when someone would leave or he felt betrayed. 1238 01:10:03,074 --> 01:10:04,792 (Tape plays) 1239 01:10:06,661 --> 01:10:08,254 (McQueen speaking) 1240 01:10:28,683 --> 01:10:32,733 (Kidd) A lot of people around fashion do suffer from anxiety, 1241 01:10:32,979 --> 01:10:35,277 do suffer from panic attacks, depression. 1242 01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:38,492 The industry is feeding this ego. 1243 01:10:38,818 --> 01:10:41,162 And it has a very negative effect. 1244 01:10:42,029 --> 01:10:44,908 (Joseph) For the Voss show the original concept was a padded cell. 1245 01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:50,705 (Kidd) You start losing who you are and it becomes a darkness 1246 01:10:50,955 --> 01:10:52,582 and a place that you can't get out of. 1247 01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:55,214 (Joseph) And, of course, Lee being Lee, 1248 01:10:55,418 --> 01:10:57,512 he wasn't happy with just this one great idea. 1249 01:10:57,754 --> 01:11:00,303 You then had to have another box in the middle 1250 01:11:00,715 --> 01:11:03,969 as a kind of theatrical climax to the show. 1251 01:11:04,343 --> 01:11:07,643 When he came and sat down to explain what it was, 1252 01:11:08,055 --> 01:11:10,558 he wouldn't look me in the eye and he was saying, 1253 01:11:11,017 --> 01:11:14,362 "Yes, it's about death and beauty and rebirth." 1254 01:11:14,645 --> 01:11:16,192 "lt's gonna be beautiful." 1255 01:11:16,647 --> 01:11:19,366 I really wasn't expecting to be recreating 1256 01:11:19,442 --> 01:11:22,286 Joel-Peter Witkin's famous incubus image. 1257 01:11:22,445 --> 01:11:23,492 (Tape plays) 1258 01:11:24,071 --> 01:11:25,914 (McQueen speaking) 1259 01:11:31,454 --> 01:11:32,501 (Tape stops) 1260 01:11:32,872 --> 01:11:34,340 It's a pretty gruesome image 1261 01:11:34,457 --> 01:11:37,210 and I'm thinking, "Oh, my goodness, am I gonna do this?" 1262 01:11:37,376 --> 01:11:39,174 And I was like, "All right, then, I will do it, 1263 01:11:39,253 --> 01:11:41,301 "but I want you to know... " 1264 01:11:41,672 --> 01:11:43,720 Serious face. "...that I 'm doing it for an'. " 1265 01:11:45,218 --> 01:11:47,721 And he looked at me like I was mad 1266 01:11:47,887 --> 01:11:49,639 and then he looked away and he went, 1267 01:11:49,847 --> 01:11:51,975 "I thought we all were, weren't we?" And he was off. 1268 01:11:52,475 --> 01:11:55,979 The actual set had that Stanley Kubrick 2001 1269 01:11:56,145 --> 01:11:58,318 meets an insane asylum feel. 1270 01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,693 And there was a two-way mirror so that when the fashion people, 1271 01:12:01,901 --> 01:12:04,905 when the fashion press came in to wait for the show to start, 1272 01:12:05,029 --> 01:12:07,123 they were ail looking at themselves in the mirror. 1273 01:12:07,406 --> 01:12:10,080 The music started, ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum, 1274 01:12:10,326 --> 01:12:13,250 with this heartbeat that went faster and faster and faster. 1275 01:12:13,704 --> 01:12:16,378 (Joseph) We didn't know what to expect, what was gonna happen. 1276 01:12:16,541 --> 01:12:18,293 None of the audience knew at all. 1277 01:12:19,252 --> 01:12:23,598 (McQueen) Fashion is a big bubble and sometimes I feel like popping it. 1278 01:12:32,348 --> 01:12:34,692 (Joseph) When the show starts, boom, you can see inside. 1279 01:12:34,892 --> 01:12:36,894 But the models can't see the audience at all. 1280 01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:40,361 (Olley) it was suddenly a much more kind of voyeuristic thing. 1281 01:12:41,858 --> 01:12:43,826 The bandages he put on a“ the model's heads 1282 01:12:43,943 --> 01:12:48,790 so it had that slight feeling of unease and sickness and a bed/am feel about it. 1283 01:12:53,870 --> 01:12:57,249 (Mira) There was one time that I 'd just come out of surgery 1284 01:12:57,456 --> 01:12:59,049 and he came to visit me 1285 01:12:59,458 --> 01:13:02,086 and he saw me and I had bandages everywhere. 1286 01:13:02,253 --> 01:13:06,008 I was all bruised up and he was like, "Fucking wicked!", as he would do that. 1287 01:13:06,841 --> 01:13:08,764 He absorbed things like a sponge, 1288 01:13:09,135 --> 01:13:10,887 saw the beauty in the ugly, 1289 01:13:11,137 --> 01:13:13,105 as with the bandages on me. 1290 01:13:16,517 --> 01:13:17,564 (Laughing) 1291 01:13:28,613 --> 01:13:31,492 (Heartbeat) 1292 01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:43,420 (McQueen) Life isn't perfect. We're not a“ perfect size-zero models. 1293 01:13:43,586 --> 01:13:46,430 But there is beauty within the eye of the beholder. 1294 01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:50,142 (Flatlining beep) 1295 01:14:00,770 --> 01:14:03,148 (Olley) For the final image to be this one 1296 01:14:03,397 --> 01:14:07,618 of a large woman with moths everywhere, it sounds like a joke, really. 1297 01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:11,034 But I do think there's a sense of humour going on underneath there as well. 1298 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,998 It's fat birds and moths. 1299 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,618 I mean, isn't thatjust fashion's worst nightmare? 1300 01:14:20,665 --> 01:14:23,714 (Tom Ford) Every season whose collections do I look at? 1301 01:14:23,793 --> 01:14:25,761 Whose collections am I jealous of in a sense? 1302 01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:29,348 Whose collections do I think are absolutely amazing? 1303 01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:34,346 (Viglezio) Tom was literally God ln the industry. 1304 01:14:34,679 --> 01:14:36,522 I guess, even if Lee was a rebel 1305 01:14:36,764 --> 01:14:39,313 and he was a totally different kind of person, 1306 01:14:39,684 --> 01:14:42,528 he probably was flattered and, you know, touched 1307 01:14:42,728 --> 01:14:46,824 by the fact that someone like Tom Ford noticed him and wanted him. 1308 01:14:47,316 --> 01:14:49,193 Also he was smart enough to know 1309 01:14:49,443 --> 01:14:51,320 that he needed that financial help. 1310 01:14:52,405 --> 01:14:54,203 (McQueen speaking) 1311 01:15:09,255 --> 01:15:12,384 The wonderful thing about Lee is he is poet... 1312 01:15:12,675 --> 01:15:14,393 He won't like this either, but it's true. 1313 01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:18,140 ...poet and commerce united, because he's very practical. 1314 01:15:18,639 --> 01:15:21,392 So he understands you can express whatever you want on the runway 1315 01:15:21,726 --> 01:15:24,900 but you need something beautiful on the hanger to sell to a store. 1316 01:15:26,147 --> 01:15:29,276 (Alice) Gucci Group was smart. They saw what the potential was. 1317 01:15:29,525 --> 01:15:32,825 And they offered McQueen a deal he thought he couldn't refuse 1318 01:15:33,195 --> 01:15:35,323 which was, "Here, we'll underwrite your company 1319 01:15:35,573 --> 01:15:38,076 "and give you 50% of the ownership." 1320 01:15:38,534 --> 01:15:40,002 They had secret meetings 1321 01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:41,837 so none of it would get back to Arnault 1322 01:15:41,954 --> 01:15:43,297 and the LVMH people. 1323 01:15:43,456 --> 01:15:46,255 They had no idea it was coming until it hit them. 1324 01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,255 (McQueen) I was quite adamant when I talked to Tom 1325 01:15:50,796 --> 01:15:52,844 that this was a one-man band. 1326 01:15:53,382 --> 01:15:56,261 So they leave you alone to design what you want? 1327 01:15:56,469 --> 01:15:57,561 Hundred percent. 1328 01:15:57,636 --> 01:15:59,604 (McQueen) I was looking for major investment 1329 01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:03,234 and then Gucci got in touch and... 1330 01:16:05,019 --> 01:16:06,487 The rest is history. 1331 01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:09,615 (McQueen laughs) 1332 01:16:10,524 --> 01:16:12,197 Au revoir, Givenchy. 1333 01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:16,201 (Lively stringed music) 1334 01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:25,498 (Music stops abruptly) 1335 01:16:28,334 --> 01:16:29,677 (Dog panting) 1336 01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:33,180 (McQueen) Got ya! 1337 01:16:34,006 --> 01:16:36,384 (Melancholic orchestral music) 1338 01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:42,352 (Dogs growling playfully) 1339 01:16:48,395 --> 01:16:49,521 What are you doing? 1340 01:16:49,814 --> 01:16:53,318 I have an affinity with the sea. I don't know, maybe cos I'm Pisces. 1341 01:16:54,193 --> 01:16:56,742 And when it rains and it snows 1342 01:16:57,113 --> 01:17:00,208 and you're near the sea and you can hear the waves... 1343 01:17:01,325 --> 01:17:04,329 H's very melancholic but it's very romantic. 1344 01:17:06,997 --> 01:17:09,876 Sometimes you need to have a break 1345 01:17:10,793 --> 01:17:12,261 to get away from everything 1346 01:17:12,378 --> 01:17:16,679 and not to think about business and fashion shows 1347 01:17:17,091 --> 01:17:19,264 and to take time out. 1348 01:17:25,182 --> 01:17:27,059 I have to be surrounded by nature. 1349 01:17:27,852 --> 01:17:29,229 This is older than the house. 1350 01:17:29,562 --> 01:17:33,317 This is over 400 years old. It's an elm tree. 1351 01:17:33,691 --> 01:17:36,194 And we uplight it at night. 1352 01:17:39,405 --> 01:17:41,373 And, like, it's good inspiration. 1353 01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:45,745 (Melancholic orchestral music) 1354 01:17:49,081 --> 01:17:51,254 All my friends come here and, you know, 1355 01:17:51,542 --> 01:17:55,263 we have the fire on and we watch DVDs and listen to music. 1356 01:17:56,297 --> 01:17:58,766 It's nice and relaxing. 1357 01:18:06,432 --> 01:18:10,903 He would be spending time with my mum a lot, down the cottage. 1358 01:18:11,562 --> 01:18:14,441 (Janet) I'm grateful that we had that time together. 1359 01:18:15,149 --> 01:18:18,653 We'd see more of each other and we did things together. 1360 01:18:19,987 --> 01:18:22,206 (McQueen) My family keep me grounded. 1361 01:18:22,448 --> 01:18:24,667 Fashion can be a very superficial business. 1362 01:18:27,328 --> 01:18:30,127 When I started in London there was nothing like this. 1363 01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:34,381 It's as close as we can get to haute couture in England. 1364 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,634 All the people here are students and it's, like, training them up 1365 01:18:38,005 --> 01:18:41,305 and giving them that initial step into the world of fashion. 1366 01:18:42,968 --> 01:18:44,891 Lee knew from when I was a little boy 1367 01:18:45,095 --> 01:18:47,723 that I loved to draw and I was always very artistic. 1368 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,189 A lot of time had passed and I was working at a rubbish tip 1369 01:18:51,727 --> 01:18:54,981 and Lee had the position for a textile designer on menswear 1370 01:18:55,272 --> 01:18:57,024 and that's when he took me on. 1371 01:18:57,524 --> 01:18:59,492 Lee was really happy having me there, 1372 01:19:00,027 --> 01:19:02,155 firstly on the creative level, 1373 01:19:02,363 --> 01:19:04,081 but secondly just having 1374 01:19:05,074 --> 01:19:07,372 something that reminded him of his past 1375 01:19:07,618 --> 01:19:09,495 and his childhood. 1376 01:19:11,372 --> 01:19:12,544 Let's have a look. 1377 01:19:13,540 --> 01:19:17,170 (McQueen) There was a period when it wasn't so good and I had a lot of angst. 1378 01:19:17,378 --> 01:19:20,006 It was kind of hard. There was a lot of confliction in my head 1379 01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,639 with doing a job that I didn't wanna do, which was Givenchy. 1380 01:19:23,801 --> 01:19:25,849 But I think I've come to a stage where 1381 01:19:26,387 --> 01:19:29,516 I just accept this is my fife, this is what I was born to do. 1382 01:19:34,019 --> 01:19:35,396 (McQueen) Oh. 1383 01:19:35,688 --> 01:19:37,907 -(Laughter) -(Woman) I like you like this. 1384 01:19:39,149 --> 01:19:41,527 (Gary) He controlled the vibe wherever he went. 1385 01:19:41,694 --> 01:19:45,324 A lot of the time he was such a buzz to be around. 1386 01:19:45,447 --> 01:19:47,620 The way I put it, it was like he was the queen bee 1387 01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:51,538 with the worker bees responding to the signals from that queen bee. 1388 01:19:51,704 --> 01:19:53,672 And people felt that, you know. 1389 01:19:53,914 --> 01:19:55,882 He had this kind of childish way 1390 01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:58,753 of mucking about in the studio environment. 1391 01:19:59,044 --> 01:20:02,548 It just made things so fight and such a nice place to be. 1392 01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:05,893 There was always something creative happening. 1393 01:20:06,010 --> 01:20:07,762 That's what excited everybody. 1394 01:20:10,222 --> 01:20:13,647 (McQueen) I speak so loudly in my work itself, you know. 1395 01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:15,732 I think everything I do is personal. 1396 01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:19,489 Even turning Kate Moss into a hologram is kind of personal. It's ethereal. 1397 01:20:19,732 --> 01:20:23,202 It's a time I'm feeling at one with the world and heavenly. 1398 01:20:23,485 --> 01:20:25,704 If you want to know me, just look at my work. 1399 01:20:34,455 --> 01:20:37,049 (Slow triumphal music) 1400 01:20:44,423 --> 01:20:46,221 (Reporter) What does fashion mean to you? 1401 01:20:47,217 --> 01:20:48,469 My life. 1402 01:20:54,016 --> 01:20:55,484 (Detmar) lssie died proud, 1403 01:20:55,642 --> 01:20:58,111 having achieved beyond her wildest dreams. 1404 01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:02,032 (Plum) The fact that Issie went was a huge blow to so many people, 1405 01:21:02,274 --> 01:21:03,400 including Alexander. 1406 01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:05,031 A huge blow. 1407 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,994 (Bells tolling) 1408 01:21:25,464 --> 01:21:29,514 I saw him at Issie's funeral and I've never seen anyone so devastated. 1409 01:21:30,886 --> 01:21:32,263 I couldn't recognise him. 1410 01:21:32,346 --> 01:21:35,395 He sat right behind me and I turned round and saw this person 1411 01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:40,438 in a Highland kilt and a hat, looking very sad. 1412 01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:42,815 I thought, "My God, it's McQueen, Alexander." 1413 01:21:43,148 --> 01:21:45,822 And the look on his face was haunting. 1414 01:21:46,402 --> 01:21:47,449 I felt... 1415 01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:49,200 I felt for him. 1416 01:21:49,405 --> 01:21:52,249 You could just feel... You could just see the pain. 1417 01:21:53,158 --> 01:21:54,375 He suffered. 1418 01:21:54,618 --> 01:21:55,665 I could see the love. 1419 01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:57,337 Never deny the love. 1420 01:21:57,496 --> 01:21:59,874 It was such a love affair between those two. 1421 01:22:03,335 --> 01:22:05,178 lssie seemed to slot in 1422 01:22:05,295 --> 01:22:07,423 between a sister and a mum. 1423 01:22:08,465 --> 01:22:13,312 She was in the middle and Lee just loved lssie. 1424 01:22:14,763 --> 01:22:17,232 (Detmar) The connection between Issie and McQueen... 1425 01:22:17,599 --> 01:22:19,317 They both carried sadnesses. 1426 01:22:20,018 --> 01:22:21,611 Alexander had been abused. 1427 01:22:21,728 --> 01:22:25,323 He felt that person had destroyed his innocence. 1428 01:22:25,691 --> 01:22:28,865 Issie had this very sad instance when she was about five years old 1429 01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:31,326 when her brother that she was playing with died. 1430 01:22:31,530 --> 01:22:34,500 Not lssie's fault, but she always felt responsible for him 1431 01:22:34,783 --> 01:22:36,376 and carried that guilt. 1432 01:22:36,493 --> 01:22:39,372 There was a destructive side and destructive issues 1433 01:22:39,496 --> 01:22:42,716 which she could never resolve entirely and they would blow up. 1434 01:22:43,709 --> 01:22:45,552 It became more and more serious. 1435 01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:48,338 (Blow) I don't take drugs, but I take medication. 1436 01:22:48,589 --> 01:22:52,184 I mean, sometimes I have to take a pill, just to keep me calm. 1437 01:22:52,551 --> 01:22:56,226 The pathway to her self-destruction was clear. 1438 01:22:57,097 --> 01:23:00,727 Issie, perhaps, was thinking she didn't want to go on forever. 1439 01:23:01,185 --> 01:23:03,233 She couldn't rein vent herself as an old woman 1440 01:23:03,353 --> 01:23:05,026 cos fashion 's all about youth. 1441 01:23:05,355 --> 01:23:08,529 Discovering people is a big thing. It's like being a mother. 1442 01:23:09,026 --> 01:23:10,994 And the milk's dried up. 1443 01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:13,705 (Detmar) Issie was planning her death. 1444 01:23:14,656 --> 01:23:16,658 So she wanted to say goodbye to McQueen. 1445 01:23:18,368 --> 01:23:20,746 And she organised a weekend. 1446 01:23:21,163 --> 01:23:24,463 She'd gone to a lot of trouble with a very lovely menu. 1447 01:23:26,293 --> 01:23:28,170 And Alexander was exhausted when he turned up 1448 01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:30,089 and just stayed in his room. 1449 01:23:31,882 --> 01:23:34,886 Whatever she needed, he wasn't able to give it himself. 1450 01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:39,599 But they did see each other, yeah. There was a farewell between them. 1451 01:23:39,765 --> 01:23:41,642 Big hug and kiss and... 1452 01:23:42,142 --> 01:23:43,940 "See you in the next world." I don't know. 1453 01:23:44,186 --> 01:23:47,190 The thing is, when you're ill, you don't know... 1454 01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:48,570 You're very alone. 1455 01:23:48,815 --> 01:23:51,068 (Detmar) lssie had ovarian cancer at the end. 1456 01:23:51,401 --> 01:23:54,575 If it was terminal, who knows. She wasn't interested in chemotherapy. 1457 01:23:56,657 --> 01:23:58,159 The last thing Issie said to me, 1458 01:23:58,825 --> 01:24:02,250 "Do you remember, Detmar, when I was a ray of sunshine?" 1459 01:24:02,329 --> 01:24:04,707 And I said, "You'll always be a ray of sunshine." 1460 01:24:08,835 --> 01:24:11,338 McQueen is calling his show "La Dame Bleue." 1461 01:24:11,672 --> 01:24:13,140 He's dedicating this show 1462 01:24:13,257 --> 01:24:17,558 to his late great friend and mentor, Isabella Blow. 1463 01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:19,897 You could see her in the clothes. 1464 01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,808 You could smell the perfume of her around. 1465 01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:26,111 And you could see her children, in a way, backstage, 1466 01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:29,193 Alexander and Philip going crazy together. 1467 01:24:29,481 --> 01:24:31,529 (Mira) What bonded them was lssie. 1468 01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:35,659 Isabella single-handedly invented Alexander and myself 1469 01:24:35,946 --> 01:24:37,323 from nowhere 1470 01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:42,704 with such conviction that... We will never experience again. 1471 01:24:43,245 --> 01:24:48,126 Her belief in you made you be the person you are. 1472 01:24:49,876 --> 01:24:51,344 (Wings flapping) 1473 01:24:58,051 --> 01:25:00,099 (Tinkling screech) 1474 01:25:00,887 --> 01:25:02,889 (Melancholic instrumental music) 1475 01:25:07,728 --> 01:25:11,403 Bomb Once you sat down and you saw the set and the music, 1476 01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:14,698 you were there and it held you, 1477 01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:18,743 because I kept seeing her in the clothes that he was putting on the catwalk 1478 01:25:19,072 --> 01:25:21,916 and the hats, of course, that Philip was designing. 1479 01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:30,297 (Viglezio) It was actually creating some mythical figure 1480 01:25:30,584 --> 01:25:33,758 that was like lssie's presence at the show. 1481 01:25:41,887 --> 01:25:43,184 (Detmar) So emotional. 1482 01:25:43,722 --> 01:25:45,224 I just couldn't stop crying, 1483 01:25:45,682 --> 01:25:47,400 just bent over double. 1484 01:25:47,476 --> 01:25:48,944 And, erm... 1485 01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:51,484 Grief is grief. You have to go through it. 1486 01:25:57,569 --> 01:26:01,039 (Bobby) And then to see them come on and realise how young they were 1487 01:26:01,365 --> 01:26:03,413 and they had lost a great friend 1488 01:26:03,867 --> 01:26:05,869 and how they had loved her. 1489 01:26:12,584 --> 01:26:15,087 (Janet) I think it had a big effect on Lee. 1490 01:26:16,296 --> 01:26:18,970 After lssie passed away, 1491 01:26:19,716 --> 01:26:23,596 he was in a really dark place. 1492 01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:24,892 (Tape plays) 1493 01:26:28,141 --> 01:26:29,609 (McQueen speaking) 1494 01:26:40,529 --> 01:26:43,453 (Sebastien) We were watching TV in the evening 1495 01:26:43,699 --> 01:26:46,293 and Lee McQueen opened the news that day 1496 01:26:46,451 --> 01:26:48,579 with the Horn of Plenty show. 1497 01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:54,464 And my father was sitting there and he's like, “Sebastian, come over. 1498 01:26:54,668 --> 01:26:57,512 "I think it's your crazy friend's fashion on TV." 1499 01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:01,220 And when my father saw the collection, he was like, 1500 01:27:02,050 --> 01:27:04,553 "I think your friend has gone really mad." 1501 01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:09,975 And I think with Horn of Plenty 1502 01:27:10,225 --> 01:27:12,694 that really reflects the fashion world today, 1503 01:27:13,562 --> 01:27:14,688 a pile of crap. 1504 01:27:21,862 --> 01:27:24,365 (Sebastién) Three years of being apart, 1505 01:27:24,531 --> 01:27:27,751 I think a lot and I think he thinks a lot also. 1506 01:27:29,244 --> 01:27:33,090 And when I called him, it was like, "Hello, Lee?" 1507 01:27:33,540 --> 01:27:35,042 (As McQueen) "Hello?" 1508 01:27:35,292 --> 01:27:36,635 "Lee, it's Sebastién." 1509 01:27:36,752 --> 01:27:40,632 "Where the fuck have you been all this time, you fucking bastard?" 1510 01:27:41,339 --> 01:27:46,891 We just started again like... Like the brothers we were before. 1511 01:27:48,013 --> 01:27:50,391 So then I took the ferry to Ibiza 1512 01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:52,684 and I went to his villa. 1513 01:27:52,934 --> 01:27:56,609 When he opened the door, I was in shock 1514 01:27:56,855 --> 01:28:00,155 because the person who opened the door, 1515 01:28:00,484 --> 01:28:03,328 he was a different person, he was really skinny 1516 01:28:03,612 --> 01:28:07,617 and looking very fragile and very, very pale. 1517 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,500 When I hugged him, that's when I noticed 1518 01:28:11,661 --> 01:28:14,210 something has changed because... 1519 01:28:14,623 --> 01:28:17,672 His body structure was just bones. 1520 01:28:18,043 --> 01:28:21,798 There was hardly any muscle or flesh there. 1521 01:28:24,633 --> 01:28:28,809 (Gary) Lee come in with the idea of having an invitation for a show 1522 01:28:28,929 --> 01:28:30,931 that had that metamorphosis. 1523 01:28:31,097 --> 01:28:34,692 He wanted his face to transform into a skull. 1524 01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:40,407 Everything in his life had just led to these feelings of torment. 1525 01:28:41,316 --> 01:28:43,489 Lee was HIV positive. 1526 01:28:44,361 --> 01:28:47,535 Even though it isn't a death sentence as such, 1527 01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,414 I think it was always in the back of Lee's mind. 1528 01:28:51,868 --> 01:28:54,371 You'd feel the bad vibes when Lee was down. 1529 01:28:54,621 --> 01:28:58,171 There was a real depression that was brought with that as well. 1530 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:01,174 (Slow stringed music) 1531 01:29:11,054 --> 01:29:13,148 (Janet) I think the trouble is with Lee, 1532 01:29:13,390 --> 01:29:17,236 after a show, when you've done that build-up and you've worked hard, 1533 01:29:17,477 --> 01:29:21,323 you could see there was a little bit of a down. 1534 01:29:23,692 --> 01:29:25,194 And then onto the next show. 1535 01:29:25,861 --> 01:29:26,908 Again. 1536 01:29:28,363 --> 01:29:32,163 Yeah, it was just show after show. I don't know how Lee did it. 1537 01:29:37,372 --> 01:29:41,047 (McQueen) The pressures kind of quite immense now 1538 01:29:41,293 --> 01:29:45,014 because of the Gucci contract and, erm... 1539 01:29:46,339 --> 01:29:47,386 You know, the... 1540 01:29:47,674 --> 01:29:50,974 I do the men's now and now I also do McQ, 1541 01:29:51,219 --> 01:29:53,722 so it's about 14 collections a year again, 1542 01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:57,810 same as when I was at Givenchy, so it's hard work. 1543 01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:06,322 (Gary) He would have liked the idea of moving away 1544 01:30:06,484 --> 01:30:08,031 and just leaving everything behind, 1545 01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:12,200 but as it was his name above the door and his reputation as a person 1546 01:30:12,365 --> 01:30:15,710 and everything he had built, he couldn't just abandon it. 1547 01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:25,921 If I ever get that old and I'm still around and I leave my company, 1548 01:30:26,713 --> 01:30:30,092 I'll just burn the place down so there's no one working there. 1549 01:30:30,383 --> 01:30:33,136 (Reporter) Really? So you'd never let someone carry on 1550 01:30:33,762 --> 01:30:36,606 the McQueen tradition or the McQueen brand 1551 01:30:36,723 --> 01:30:38,600 if you weren't actively involved? 1552 01:30:39,309 --> 01:30:40,401 Erm... 1553 01:30:41,311 --> 01:30:43,564 I don't think so. I mean, it doesn't... 1554 01:30:44,230 --> 01:30:47,951 It... Because that person will have to come up with the concepts for my show 1555 01:30:48,109 --> 01:30:49,986 and my shows are so personal. 1556 01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:51,617 How can... How can that be? 1557 01:30:53,281 --> 01:30:56,330 (Janet) I said, "Why don't you just step away, Lee, for a year?" 1558 01:30:56,910 --> 01:30:58,457 And he just said, "You don't understand." 1559 01:30:58,536 --> 01:31:01,756 He said, "I'm responsible for 50 people. 1560 01:31:01,998 --> 01:31:05,127 "They've got to pay their mortgages. I can't just stop." 1561 01:31:08,046 --> 01:31:09,889 (Viglezio) I was always thinking 1562 01:31:10,048 --> 01:31:12,471 there's so much sadness in him, 1563 01:31:12,717 --> 01:31:14,560 and that was sad, you know, 1564 01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:19,190 because he was this successful, flamboyant being 1565 01:31:19,432 --> 01:31:21,355 who actually was so lonely deep inside. 1566 01:31:21,601 --> 01:31:24,229 It can be. lt can be really lonely. 1567 01:31:24,562 --> 01:31:26,155 And I think... 1568 01:31:26,564 --> 01:31:29,693 You know, I think there's more to life than fashion 1569 01:31:30,068 --> 01:31:33,197 and I don't want to be stuck in that bubble of, "This is what I do." 1570 01:31:33,321 --> 01:31:37,042 It's nice because you see everyone in the office. 1571 01:31:37,283 --> 01:31:39,206 They go home and they can shut off 1572 01:31:39,661 --> 01:31:42,505 but I'm still Alexander McQueen after I shut the door. 1573 01:31:42,789 --> 01:31:45,463 Do you know what I mean? I've got to go home with myself, so... 1574 01:31:46,084 --> 01:31:47,677 You know, if you've had a bad day, 1575 01:31:47,794 --> 01:31:50,343 I've only got myself to answer to, so... 1576 01:31:50,422 --> 01:31:51,469 (Laughing) 1577 01:31:59,180 --> 01:32:03,105 I mean, with us, he was, like, behaving... 1578 01:32:04,102 --> 01:32:05,604 All right, OK, 1579 01:32:06,438 --> 01:32:10,659 but deep inside we knew that he wasn't... 1580 01:32:12,569 --> 01:32:14,242 He wasn't 100%. 1581 01:32:14,821 --> 01:32:16,949 He could hear voices. 1582 01:32:17,115 --> 01:32:20,619 He was telling me that they were chasing him. 1583 01:32:21,536 --> 01:32:23,379 One thing he used to say, 1584 01:32:23,538 --> 01:32:25,882 "Paranoia will destroy ya." 1585 01:32:26,708 --> 01:32:28,927 (Joseph) I remember doing a drawing 1586 01:32:29,377 --> 01:32:32,051 which, basically, has got lots of cameras around. 1587 01:32:32,213 --> 01:32:34,557 We're thinking, "Maybe the cameras could be on robots." 1588 01:32:34,841 --> 01:32:37,344 It was always about getting the camera right in your face 1589 01:32:37,552 --> 01:32:40,852 and it's surveillance, making the audience a bit uncomfortable. 1590 01:32:41,556 --> 01:32:43,399 (Gary) The idea behind Plato's Atlantis 1591 01:32:43,475 --> 01:32:46,445 is where people come from the land and go back into the sea. 1592 01:32:46,603 --> 01:32:47,820 (Tape plays) 1593 01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:49,276 (McQueen speaking) 1594 01:32:58,865 --> 01:32:59,912 (Tape stops) 1595 01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,294 (Gary) He loved swimming, scuba diving. 1596 01:33:02,494 --> 01:33:05,589 He loved that feeling of just being in a different world unden/vater, 1597 01:33:06,206 --> 01:33:07,708 just away from everything, 1598 01:33:07,832 --> 01:33:10,176 almost like you're back in the womb, floating. 1599 01:33:10,543 --> 01:33:14,389 You know? And that kind of serenity you would get through that. 1600 01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:18,719 (Sebastién) Plato's Atlantis was kind of like a study in his head 1601 01:33:18,968 --> 01:33:20,845 with all the digital printing 1602 01:33:21,304 --> 01:33:24,228 and all the experimenting, pattern-cutting. 1603 01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:27,899 And the robots were there again. 1604 01:33:28,228 --> 01:33:32,278 He said to me, "I designed my last coflection, Sebastian." 1605 01:33:32,857 --> 01:33:35,781 And he told me, "I've had enough with all this. 1606 01:33:36,611 --> 01:33:38,409 "I am gonna kill myself." 1607 01:33:39,197 --> 01:33:41,871 "What do you mean, you're gonna kill yourself?" 1608 01:33:42,283 --> 01:33:44,456 He's like, "Yeah, I... 1609 01:33:44,536 --> 01:33:47,380 "I am fed up. I've had it with this. 1610 01:33:47,539 --> 01:33:49,541 "L just wanna put an end to it. 1611 01:33:49,833 --> 01:33:53,383 "And in my last show, in the end..." 1612 01:33:53,545 --> 01:33:55,013 He said, "Do you remember Voss? 1613 01:33:55,797 --> 01:33:57,891 "So, I'm gonna do the same sort of thing, 1614 01:33:58,424 --> 01:34:02,179 "but it's going to be a Perspex box the size of a human being. 1615 01:34:02,303 --> 01:34:03,555 "So, when the show ends, 1616 01:34:03,721 --> 01:34:07,567 "this box is gonna come up from the ground 1617 01:34:08,893 --> 01:34:10,895 "with me inside. 1618 01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:12,693 "And then I'm just... 1619 01:34:12,814 --> 01:34:14,566 "I'm just gonna shoot myself." 1620 01:34:15,984 --> 01:34:17,031 And... 1621 01:34:18,778 --> 01:34:20,200 (Stammering) And I... 1622 01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:23,492 I mean, I just didn't know what to... How to react to that. 1623 01:34:23,616 --> 01:34:25,368 You know what I mean? Because“. 1624 01:34:26,161 --> 01:34:27,708 He sounded so convinced. 1625 01:34:27,871 --> 01:34:29,669 (Tape plays) 1626 01:34:30,081 --> 01:34:31,128 (McQueen speaking) 1627 01:34:38,506 --> 01:34:40,554 It was like he thought 1628 01:34:40,925 --> 01:34:45,522 that the whole fashion "system" was against him. 1629 01:34:46,222 --> 01:34:49,021 And I said, "No, no one is against you. 1630 01:34:49,851 --> 01:34:53,196 "But if you are thinking to do this, 1631 01:34:53,313 --> 01:34:55,691 "you're gonna harm so many people 1632 01:34:56,191 --> 01:34:59,070 "because people come to your shows to see your beauty, 1633 01:34:59,485 --> 01:35:02,159 "your talent, your creativity and 1634 01:35:03,573 --> 01:35:05,541 "to see you, to see your work." 1635 01:35:05,950 --> 01:35:08,169 (Soft instrumental music) 1636 01:35:22,342 --> 01:35:24,219 (Frackowiak) He was like a movie director. 1637 01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:27,309 We had to be like aliens and he told us this. 1638 01:35:27,513 --> 01:35:29,891 He said, "Listen, you have to have this face. 1639 01:35:30,308 --> 01:35:32,731 "Strong, you know. You have to be powerful." 1640 01:35:32,894 --> 01:35:35,363 With this show, he kind of threw a bomb on us. 1641 01:35:35,480 --> 01:35:37,858 "OK, this is it. Finished. Everything is finished. 1642 01:35:38,024 --> 01:35:39,867 "We are reborn. We're starting anew. 1643 01:35:40,026 --> 01:35:41,573 "New chapter, new planet." 1644 01:35:41,694 --> 01:35:43,492 (Music intensifies) 1645 01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:56,838 (Frackowiak) I was really scared. 1646 01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,088 I tried not to picture myself falling. 1647 01:35:59,712 --> 01:36:01,339 I wanted him to be proud of me 1648 01:36:01,464 --> 01:36:03,887 and I wanted him to be proud 1649 01:36:04,259 --> 01:36:07,183 that he has such an army of models. 1650 01:36:14,102 --> 01:36:15,854 (Gary) Endless print designs. 1651 01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:19,483 It might have been a fish's fin or scales from a snake, 1652 01:36:20,024 --> 01:36:23,574 and then manipulated and montaged 1653 01:36:23,695 --> 01:36:26,039 into a repeat pattern. 1654 01:36:26,197 --> 01:36:28,871 And it became something else, unrecognisable. 1655 01:36:29,284 --> 01:36:32,663 This was the turn of the digital age coming into fashion. 1656 01:36:34,205 --> 01:36:36,799 (Sebastian) It towards the end he wasn't that happy, 1657 01:36:37,083 --> 01:36:40,383 why his best collection is there? 1658 01:36:48,553 --> 01:36:52,183 He knew he needed something revolutionary. 1659 01:36:52,724 --> 01:36:55,694 And I think Plato's Atlantis is, I'm sorry. 1660 01:37:06,446 --> 01:37:09,871 (Janet) I didn't go to Plato, my mum not being well. 1661 01:37:10,033 --> 01:37:12,001 She was on dialysis at the time. 1662 01:37:12,327 --> 01:37:16,503 Lee didn't really want to face the fact that we was gonna lose Mum. 1663 01:37:16,581 --> 01:37:19,050 Because he'd lost lssie, 1664 01:37:19,167 --> 01:37:21,215 he wasn't, erm, 1665 01:37:22,545 --> 01:37:25,298 dealing with Mum not being well. 1666 01:37:35,850 --> 01:37:38,979 (Gary) After my grandmother Joyce passed away, 1667 01:37:40,938 --> 01:37:42,940 he was in really bad shape. 1668 01:37:43,524 --> 01:37:45,401 (Janet) Lee was distraught. 1669 01:37:45,860 --> 01:37:48,534 We was sitting in the living room at my dad's 1670 01:37:49,864 --> 01:37:52,868 and he didn't look himself at all, Lee. 1671 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:58,210 I mean, we was all taking my mum's passing bad. 1672 01:37:59,207 --> 01:38:04,134 I think we was all worried about Lee because obviously Mum and Lee... 1673 01:38:06,547 --> 01:38:08,390 Lee idolised my mum. 1674 01:38:19,852 --> 01:38:21,946 The Iastjob he gave me to do 1675 01:38:22,063 --> 01:38:24,486 was designing the gravestone. 1676 01:38:25,817 --> 01:38:28,696 He liked the idea of the wings wrapping round the gravestone 1677 01:38:28,820 --> 01:38:31,949 to kind of embrace my grandmother Joyce. 1678 01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:35,167 Originally, I had hands 1679 01:38:35,284 --> 01:38:37,958 which were facing down on top of the gravestone. 1680 01:38:38,287 --> 01:38:43,464 But the hands for him facing down was holding them down. 1681 01:38:43,751 --> 01:38:46,504 He wanted them uplifted, so he turned the hands upwards. 1682 01:38:50,633 --> 01:38:52,635 (Janet) I called Lee 1683 01:38:52,927 --> 01:38:54,270 and 1684 01:38:55,471 --> 01:38:57,223 we spoke about 1685 01:38:58,224 --> 01:39:00,226 Mum's funeral and... 1686 01:39:01,561 --> 01:39:03,859 And that was the last conversation. 1687 01:39:05,982 --> 01:39:07,279 -(Tape plays) -(McQueen speaking) 1688 01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:21,214 (Mira) The night... 1689 01:39:21,372 --> 01:39:24,216 lwas in bed, I was reading, and I felt... 1690 01:39:25,042 --> 01:39:27,010 I felt something touch my head. 1691 01:39:28,379 --> 01:39:30,473 Very softly and very gently. 1692 01:39:30,548 --> 01:39:33,051 I touched my head and I said to myself, 1693 01:39:33,551 --> 01:39:35,474 "Who's here? Who are you?" 1694 01:39:36,053 --> 01:39:39,557 I knew someone had passed and was saying goodbye. 1695 01:39:59,660 --> 01:40:03,881 I got a call at half past 9:00 in the morning 1696 01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:05,542 from my sister. 1697 01:40:05,666 --> 01:40:08,169 And then that phone call... 1698 01:40:10,046 --> 01:40:12,390 Just changed... 1699 01:40:13,883 --> 01:40:15,100 Everything. 1700 01:40:16,427 --> 01:40:18,600 I just really couldn't believe what I was hearing 1701 01:40:18,763 --> 01:40:21,892 because itjust seemed so surreal in that moment. 1702 01:40:24,393 --> 01:40:29,866 Just the vision in my mind of Lee being sort of all alone 1703 01:40:29,982 --> 01:40:31,575 and doing that as well 1704 01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:34,366 was playing through my mind, you know, and it's quite... 1705 01:40:35,696 --> 01:40:37,073 Er... 1706 01:40:37,198 --> 01:40:39,917 It's not the nicest way to go, you know. 1707 01:40:40,701 --> 01:40:42,749 Suicide, alone, hanging. 1708 01:40:43,454 --> 01:40:45,206 It's, erm... 1709 01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:49,169 I just don't want to think what was going through his mind, 1710 01:40:49,418 --> 01:40:52,092 how lonely he must have been as well, doing it. 1711 01:41:01,347 --> 01:41:03,270 (Reporter 1) The fashion world is in shock 1712 01:41:03,516 --> 01:41:05,894 over news that Alexander McQueen has died... 1713 01:41:06,102 --> 01:41:09,276 (Reporter 2) The darling of British fashion has been found dead after... 1714 01:41:09,605 --> 01:41:12,654 (Reporters speaking other languages) 1715 01:41:26,539 --> 01:41:28,166 (Sebastién) He used to say that a lot. 1716 01:41:28,332 --> 01:41:29,959 "One day 1717 01:41:30,126 --> 01:41:33,676 "I'm gonna come home inside a body bag." 1718 01:41:35,881 --> 01:41:37,883 And that day when... 1719 01:41:40,052 --> 01:41:43,226 The news opened again that day 1720 01:41:43,389 --> 01:41:46,518 of him leaving his house inside a body bag. 1721 01:41:52,940 --> 01:41:57,821 (Rebecca) I'd taken my kids to Hamleys' 100th-year celebration 1722 01:41:58,154 --> 01:42:00,748 and my partner picked me up and said, 1723 01:42:00,906 --> 01:42:01,953 "I've got..." 1724 01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:05,043 I can't do it. It'll just be really silly. I'll just cry. 1725 01:42:05,453 --> 01:42:08,002 He said, "Lee's dead." 1726 01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:11,000 And it was just such a shock 1727 01:42:11,417 --> 01:42:14,796 and I was so angry for a really long time. 1728 01:42:15,046 --> 01:42:17,265 Because you think just... "How do you... 1729 01:42:17,757 --> 01:42:20,135 "How did that happen?" You know? He's... 1730 01:42:21,802 --> 01:42:23,054 I think that 1731 01:42:25,389 --> 01:42:28,233 perhaps after my mum went 1732 01:42:28,392 --> 01:42:33,865 that he felt there was nothing that could make him happy any more. 1733 01:42:34,774 --> 01:42:38,699 And I just think it was in that moment that 1734 01:42:40,863 --> 01:42:43,366 he had that emptiness. 1735 01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:47,082 I miss him a lot, yeah. 1736 01:42:47,703 --> 01:42:51,082 I miss that... That... You know... 1737 01:42:51,791 --> 01:42:54,795 He could have had, like, some really great happiness in his life 1738 01:42:54,877 --> 01:42:58,006 and he didn't quite have that in his personal life. 1739 01:42:58,214 --> 01:43:02,139 And... That's what I wish... Wished for him most. 1740 01:43:02,968 --> 01:43:04,220 ($<>ftly) Yeah. 1741 01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:11,611 I'm so happy I got to... 1742 01:43:12,812 --> 01:43:14,689 To meet him and to... 1743 01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:18,192 To share 1744 01:43:18,734 --> 01:43:22,284 part of my life with his story and everything. 1745 01:43:23,364 --> 01:43:24,786 But I miss him. 1746 01:43:24,865 --> 01:43:26,367 I wish 1747 01:43:27,493 --> 01:43:30,713 things ended in a different way. 1748 01:43:46,387 --> 01:43:48,435 (Plum) He wanted to make really beautiful things 1749 01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:50,141 and he sculpted in clothing. 1750 01:43:50,391 --> 01:43:52,064 He was a sculptor really, I think, 1751 01:43:52,351 --> 01:43:54,149 and that's where that silhouette came from. 1752 01:43:56,021 --> 01:43:59,195 (Mira) His clothes made me feel that you could be feminine, 1753 01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,200 but at the same time, you know, "Don't fuck with me, I'm a bitch." 1754 01:44:03,529 --> 01:44:05,031 (Laughs) 1755 01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:11,420 (Sebastian) The thing I remember best is seeing him working. 1756 01:44:12,163 --> 01:44:13,836 It was magical. 1757 01:44:14,123 --> 01:44:16,876 For me, he was like a magician. 1758 01:44:20,379 --> 01:44:22,677 (Kidd) One outfit would just be insane 1759 01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:25,639 and then the next one would just be genius. 1760 01:44:27,178 --> 01:44:32,730 (Viglezio) Nobody could create emotions in a show like Lee McQueen did. 1761 01:44:35,478 --> 01:44:39,153 (Gary) Fashion for Lee was a way of just communicating a whole world 1762 01:44:39,273 --> 01:44:42,447 and he wanted to take himself out of the picture, 1763 01:44:42,526 --> 01:44:46,030 for people just to focus on this art that he was creating. 1764 01:44:47,490 --> 01:44:51,916 (Simon) Raucous, bolshie, incredibly funny, incredibly driven. 1765 01:44:52,369 --> 01:44:56,840 Not only did he have a singular vision, but he was a very singular individual. 1766 01:44:57,166 --> 01:45:01,171 And his strength of personality was quite phenomenal. 1767 01:45:01,796 --> 01:45:04,219 You just don't see many people like that. 1768 01:45:04,548 --> 01:45:07,017 They don't... They don't come up very often. 152705

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