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I wanted to cause chaos. 14 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,120 I looked over at him. We'll see who kills who, huh? 15 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,520 I made the choice. 16 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,520 I took his life. 17 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,600 It's something that I've never intended to do, 18 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,280 I wish I didn't do. 19 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,600 I knew I was gonna get out of that car and murder those two men. 20 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,920 As he kneeled in front of me, 21 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,360 all I remember is pulling the trigger. 22 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,160 I'd killed them both. 23 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,560 I'd stabbed them to death. 24 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:42,400 Everybody keeps to themselves around here. 25 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,560 You see people coming and going. 26 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,480 And it's always been kind of the same. 27 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,400 They seemed like a fairly normal family. 28 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,880 Nothing ever stood out about them or their activities. 29 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,720 If there was a lot of trouble we would notice that, you know, 30 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,360 but there was never any kind of trouble over there. 31 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,720 They just did normal family things as far as I could tell. 32 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,000 My name is Linda Couch. 33 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,760 I was sentenced to 20 mandatory to life. 34 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,680 I was born and raised in Cincinnati, Ohio. 35 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:25,400 I met Walter at a wedding reception. 36 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,480 And I kept noticing him. 37 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,480 He was just standing around 38 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,440 while all the music was playing, 39 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,440 and I told my mom, I said, "Who is that?" 40 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,560 And she said, "I really don't know who he is." 41 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,360 I said, "Well, I'm going to go over and introduce myself." 42 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,360 So, I... 43 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,040 I took a little taste of my mom's beer, 44 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,920 just to give me a bit of courage to go and talk to him. 45 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:07,440 And the more we talked, the more we seemed to have some things in common, 46 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,040 and that's when he asked me to go out with him the next day. 47 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:16,840 I said, "Sure," 48 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,920 and, um, from there it just took off. 49 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,280 He was wonderful. 50 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,560 Clean-cut and very good-looking... 51 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,480 and I was just amazed that he... 52 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,640 even wanted to date me. 53 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,400 And it didn't take long before he proposed. 54 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,120 And, of course, I said yes. 55 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,520 And I should have thought it out better than that, 56 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,360 but being a teenager and thinking you're in love... 57 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,800 Yeah, I said yes... 58 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:01,880 and, um... 59 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,320 now, I wish I had never met him. 60 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,800 After we got married, we moved into his house. 61 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,680 At first, Walter was okay, um, very caring... 62 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,920 until I got pregnant with my first child. 63 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:36,160 Then things started to happen. Um, his whole attitude with me changed. 64 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,280 Walt was very brutal. 65 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:46,760 He pushed me down the steps 66 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,760 while I was still pregnant with, uh, Roxanne. 67 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,640 And when I brought Roxanne back from the hospital, 68 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,280 of course, all the parenting was left up to me... 69 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,160 and... 70 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,680 every time she would cry, he would get angry. 71 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,000 And he would go off with his friends and have a good time. 72 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,160 I got pregnant again. 73 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,280 And this time I had... 74 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,200 another girl. 75 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Then, my son. 76 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,800 But the one he hated the most was my first one, Roxanne. 77 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,040 The slightest little thing that she would do, 78 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,440 he would beat her with his... 79 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:54,960 With his belt. 80 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,760 Um, I... I tried to defend her many times 81 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,200 and I'd get the same thing. I'd get... I'd get beat up. 82 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,280 He cracked my nose. 83 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:12,920 I've had black eyes... 84 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,760 and... 85 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,720 I would take a lot of the beatings 86 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,280 that would have... would have been Roxanne, 87 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,160 rather than have her hurt. 88 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,240 This... This just went on 89 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,120 my entire time that I was married. 90 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,560 He never touched the other two. 91 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,240 It was just Roxanne and me. 92 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,920 He would bring his... 93 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,560 his so-called friends over to the house. 94 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,800 And one night... 95 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,240 I was awakened... 96 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,800 by being shook... 97 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,920 and when I opened my eyes, 98 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,160 all... all his friends were in the bedroom. 99 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,440 And I said, "Whoa, why did you wake me up? Why are they all in here?" 100 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,040 He said, "Well... 101 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,200 they want to have a part of you too." 102 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,600 I was raped by all his friends 103 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,640 and Walt just watched... 104 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,440 and laughed. 105 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,920 Anytime his friends came over, that would happen. 106 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:00,840 I felt trapped. 107 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Slowly, but surely, he was bringing me to a breakdown. 108 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,400 Well, that was going to be my escape 109 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,400 by being in college and away from him for a while. 110 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,680 That angered him the most 111 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,120 because he would no longer have control over me. 112 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,360 He wanted me to quit the program and... 113 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,400 just stay home with him. 114 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,800 For the first time in my marriage, I told him no. 115 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,800 "Absolutely not. I'm not quitting." 116 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:08,960 Walt had blue eyes, 117 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,800 but he was so mad 118 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,240 that I swear his eyes were black. 119 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,000 That's how angry he was. 120 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,080 And I knew then that, "Oh, my God, I'm in trouble." 121 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,680 He went into the bedroom where we had our new purchased gun. 122 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,360 And I knew if I didn't do something, I was going to be killed. 123 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,560 And all I could think about was, 124 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,280 "Oh, my God, if he kills me, what's going to happen to Roxanne?" 125 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Um... 126 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,000 I truly feel that... 127 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,000 she would have... been killed. 128 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,480 So, I went... I went after him, 129 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,280 and the only thing I could think of was to kick him in the groin... 130 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,040 and he... 131 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,560 let loose of the gun a little bit, enough that I could grab it, 132 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,880 and as I was backing away... 133 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,160 I tripped over the back part of the bed, 134 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,800 and the gun went off and then shot him in the head. 135 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,200 And that's where I panicked. 136 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,600 I wasn't right. 137 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,360 Totally right at that time. 138 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,920 After everything, I... I wasn't thinking straight. 139 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,400 But when the police did show up, I told them everything. 140 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,960 I didn't leave anything out. 141 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,800 I gave them the gun. 142 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,120 I let them know what happened. 143 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,320 And how it happened. 144 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,840 Before a packed courtroom, Linda Couch cried. 145 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,960 Occasionally, she shook her head. 146 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Constantly beneath the table, she clutched a rosary. 147 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,200 Defense attorneys say Linda Couch's life was anything but calm. 148 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,080 Married at 16, they say she was tormented and abused 149 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,040 by a domineering husband. 150 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,680 Last October, they say, he insisted she drop her college classes. 151 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,640 She refused and the tragedy occurred. 152 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,720 They struggled, they fell, the gun went off... 153 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,440 and when it was over, Walter was dead. 154 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,200 Linda Lee Couch's persona was, 155 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:38,160 "Woe is me. Look at me. I'm a victim here. I shouldn't be here." 156 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,520 She certainly had a plan to present herself as a victim. 157 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,080 Did I see her as a victim? 158 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,080 Absolutely not. 159 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,640 My name is Pat Dinkelacker, 160 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,640 and in the case of State of Ohio vs. Linda Lee Couch, 161 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,960 I was an Assistant Hamilton County Prosecutor presenting the case 162 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,640 on behalf of the people of Ohio. 163 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,760 I was a prosecutor for 11 years. 164 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,760 I had done murders before, but this was a big deal. 165 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:14,880 I believe... 166 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,840 that, uh, she just no longer wanted Walter Couch around. 167 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,960 It did not matter to her that he was the father of her three kids 168 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,040 who needed him. 169 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,800 She wanted a different life. 170 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:35,200 And instead of choosing what is the normal thing to do, a divorce, 171 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,280 I think, because of who Linda Lee Couch is, 172 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,880 that she opted to take his life. 173 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,360 As far as Linda, at trial, 174 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,360 um, claims of abuse, 175 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,000 my remembrance tells me that she did claim some type of abuse... 176 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,040 but I am not aware... 177 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,880 today, and I was not aware in 1984, 178 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,720 of anything that I saw that in any way would justify her actions. 179 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,760 I've had black eyes. 180 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,800 He cracked my nose. 181 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,600 He pushed me down the steps while I was still pregnant with Roxanne. 182 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,000 The slightest little thing that she would do, 183 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,440 he would beat her with his belt. 184 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,200 This just went on 185 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,840 my entire time that I was married. 186 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,560 Some of the things she said, I'm hearing for the first time. 187 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,920 Very serious allegations, 188 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,480 but we didn't hear that back in 1984. 189 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,840 If you got black eyes, if you got a cracked nose, 190 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,920 if those things happened to you, 191 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,840 you needed to do something right then and there 192 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,000 to make sure that Mr. Couch, number one, didn't do it again, 193 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:12,720 number two, that you were safe, and number three, to protect that child. 194 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,240 Why all of a sudden, now, 195 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,760 many, many years later, are we hearing this for the first time? 196 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,200 Walt was very brutal. 197 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,920 So, literally, I was raped... 198 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,720 by all his friends... 199 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,320 and Walt just watched, 200 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,240 and laughed. 201 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,520 I've prosecuted. I've been a judge. 202 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,960 Anybody that claims that they are raped, that's a serious thing, 203 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,920 and it is to be taken seriously. 204 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,560 Why didn't we hear this in 1984? 205 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,680 It could have been something that, if it was true, 206 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,440 and I'm not gonna be the one that says I think she's making it up or whatever, 207 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,040 but if it was true, Ms. Couch, 208 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,400 why didn't we hear about it in 1984? 209 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,320 I... I will say this, unequivocally, 210 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,400 that the evidence that was presented at the trial, by us as well as them, 211 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,120 in no way conforms with what she's saying today is what happened. 212 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:27,080 At trial, we learned that Walter Couch, the victim, 213 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,560 he was... he was a pretty good guy. 214 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,440 Because the family, and I... I do remember this specifically, 215 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,120 the family was devastated by his loss. 216 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,560 Absolutely devastated. 217 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,800 He was a... a good guy 218 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,600 who certainly did not deserve to die the way he died. 219 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:20,080 My father was a headstrong man. 220 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,800 He had a temper... 221 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,000 that would just go from zero to 80 in a split second. 222 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,520 One little thing would set this man off. 223 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,240 My name is Roxanne Raquel Wagner. 224 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,880 I am the oldest daughter of Linda and Douglas Walter Couch. 225 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,600 I have lived in Ghana for three years now. 226 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:06,320 And I fell in love with it. I fell in love with the people. 227 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,400 It's a peaceful country, 228 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:16,840 and I live a peaceful life. 229 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,160 When I was a kid growing up, 230 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,520 I looked just like my mother. 231 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,360 And I wasn't what my father wanted. 232 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,280 I wasn't pretty enough. I was too big. 233 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,240 Um, my grades weren't good enough for him. 234 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,600 Anything I did wasn't good enough for him. 235 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,600 So I would be beaten every day. 236 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,600 On my hands, on my backside, on my legs, my arms. It didn't matter. 237 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,080 He would take his belt off and beat me with that, 238 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,280 to the point where I would just lay down. 239 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,560 I... I got used to it though. 240 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,040 And, I mean, as sad as that is to say, I got used to it. 241 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Um... 242 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,520 And I just had to deal with it. 243 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,840 There was nothing else I could do. 244 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,760 I was a kid. 245 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:36,800 Sorry. 246 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,840 But... 247 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,120 But I tried to learn, okay, what would set him off, 248 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,600 so I could try to avoid it. 249 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,960 But regardless of what I did... 250 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,280 it didn't matter. 251 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,000 They all thought he was such a great man, such a loving father, 252 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,720 because that was what he portrayed. 253 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,080 But it was just all show. 254 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,760 It was just one big... 255 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:12,560 magic trick. 256 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,200 An illusion that he created for everybody else. 257 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,480 Their marriage was a disaster from day one. 258 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,200 He would hit her. 259 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,600 He would shove her down to the ground. I've seen it. I saw it myself many times. 260 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Um... 261 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,960 I've seen him throw her up against the wall. 262 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,160 I've seen the bruises on her, 263 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,680 the hand marks around her throat at times... 264 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000 and... 265 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,440 as... as the years went on, it got worse and worse and worse. 266 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,200 When I first heard about the case, 267 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,760 I guess, like a lot of people, you're wondering what really happened. 268 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,880 It was face-to-face, and we was fighting for the gun. 269 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,160 I kept pleading to him to give me the gun. 270 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,240 "Give me the gun before someone gets hurt. I know someone's gonna get hurt." 271 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,480 It then became, to me, very clear, 272 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,280 she took his life on purpose. 273 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,520 She wanted him to die and she shot him and killed him. 274 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,320 Walter Couch was shot in the back of the head. 275 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,000 It wasn't a shot to the chest. 276 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,520 It wasn't a shot to the arm or whatever, indicating any type of a struggle. 277 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,080 It was a shot that, in my opinion, was an execution shot. 278 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,640 I felt pressure... 279 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,640 to get the right thing done. 280 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,040 Convictions are hard to get. 281 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,120 We needed to show... 282 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,200 You can call it premeditation. 283 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,480 Under the law, it's technically "prior calculation and design." 284 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,040 And we knew we had to get all the pieces of the puzzle together. 285 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,800 And the first piece of evidence goes back to the deed. 286 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,320 A deed to the house that Walter and Linda lived in. 287 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:14,840 They put in a deed 288 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,080 that it all goes to Walter. 289 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,640 Nothing to Linda Lee Couch. Nothing. 290 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Shortly before the murder, Linda Lee Couch got a hold of that deed, 291 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,080 cut it, glued it, 292 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,680 retyped it, whatever, 293 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,160 put it together and deeded it to Linda Lee Couch. 294 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,480 Well, then you go on to the next step. 295 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,640 She got the kids out of the house. 296 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,160 That was part of the plan. 297 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,960 The kids couldn't be around the house if she's gonna execute her husband. 298 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480 So she knew exactly what she was doing. 299 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,400 Then it goes from there. 300 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,880 She goes to kind of a department store in Cincinnati, 301 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,400 and she does what? She buys a gun. 302 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,960 She had never expressed any interest in a gun before, 303 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,000 had never had a gun before as far as our evidence showed us. 304 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,280 But she picks out a .22 caliber semi-automatic. 305 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,280 Asked the guy there how to load it, he shows her how to load it, 306 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:28,520 and buys some bullets. 307 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,680 And then there's no question, 308 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,240 on October 13th, Walter Couch gets a bullet 309 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,720 to the back of his head and dies. 310 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,040 I didn't know at the time whether... 311 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,760 if anybody was gonna believe me 312 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,240 that this could be an accident. 313 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,480 I do not believe that in any way, shape or form, 314 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,680 that that gun went off accidentally 315 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,040 and that Linda Lee Couch accidentally killed her husband. 316 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,480 I truly believe that she did it with prior calculation and design, 317 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,120 and I believe I will go to my grave believing that. 318 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,960 She wanted out. 319 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,760 She wanted out of the... the marriage, 320 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,120 she wanted... 321 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,000 out and away from him. 322 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,680 She had taken out credit cards. She had taken out loans. 323 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,600 And my father never knew. 324 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,240 So, she was sort of hoarding for... 325 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,600 her future life... 326 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,200 and she told me all this. 327 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:04,040 I was with her when she went to the banks, when she would withdraw the money. 328 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,120 Um, I knew she had hid things up in the... the ceiling. I saw her do it. 329 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,760 I was her confidante. I was her best friend. 330 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Because she had nobody else to talk to. 331 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,480 But she just said, she always just told me, 332 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,960 "Don't tell anyone, so no one will take it away from us," 333 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,200 and all of that. 334 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,600 Eventually, all these loans came due... 335 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,840 and the bank kept insisting that he had to physically come in. 336 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,800 And she got scared. 337 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,800 She knew if he went there, that was it. 338 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:56,760 She had to keep him from discovering everything that she had done. 339 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,600 Because she knew that if he discovered it, that was the end. 340 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,400 There was no coming back from that. 341 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,600 I don't know what he would have done, 342 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,200 but it would not have been good for any of us. 343 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,520 My name is Lawrence E. Whalen, 344 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,560 and at the time I was the Assistant Police Chief 345 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,040 in charge of the operations bureau. 346 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,640 There was a dispatch came out about 3:40 in the afternoon, 347 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,160 regarding some type of family trouble, a domestic disturbance. 348 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,600 Routine type call. 349 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680 Didn't seem to be anything too far out of the ordinary. 350 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,280 I pulled over here up on the curb, got out. 351 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,160 There were two or three people in the front yard. 352 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,360 One was the deceased's father, Walter Couch Senior. 353 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,640 They were yelling. 354 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,280 There was a lot of confusion, a melee going on, 355 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,680 and the... the mother was shouting, "She killed my son, she killed my son!" 356 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,520 There were several people in the backyard, 357 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,800 a couple of family members, a couple of neighbors, 358 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,840 and they were looking... 359 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,640 over into... 360 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,800 what had been a vegetable garden over the summer. 361 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,440 It was a level, even plot just turned over 362 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,600 as you would lightly after a... a season of planting. 363 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,000 And you could... From here, standing at this point, you could smell death. 364 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,440 Ten days after he disappeared, 365 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,920 Walter Couch's father found his son's body. 366 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,440 For two days, it lay wrapped in a rug in the basement 367 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,840 until Linda Couch decided to hide it in the backyard. 368 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,360 My name is Clint Eckberg, 369 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,280 and I was a juror on the Linda Couch murder case. 370 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,560 Seeing Linda Couch at the table in the courtroom, 371 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,680 there is the initial feeling of, uh, sympathy 372 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,960 and, uh, concern for the individual. 373 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,240 How could they have possibly gotten themselves in this situation? 374 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200 But as the case unraveled, 375 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,480 and with the evidence presented, 376 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,360 the thoughts in my mind go more to, you know, 377 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880 "This is a pretty cold-hearted act." 378 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,840 That children were used to take it to the next step... 379 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,480 just... it's shocking, 380 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,840 uh, inhuman. 381 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,520 Carrying him out in a carpet, 382 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,640 putting the carpet into the grave out in the backyard... 383 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,760 would certainly, I would think, stay with you for the rest of your life. 384 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,480 I knew that I didn't commit the crime. I didn't kill him, 385 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,400 but I felt just absolutely horrible inside. 386 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,240 Because she had me, unbeknownst to me... 387 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,800 bury my own father in the cold ground. 388 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,120 It was very difficult for me to process. 389 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,040 It... It stayed with me for... for a long time, 390 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,360 until I literally just had to forgive myself 391 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,040 because I... I realized I was just a... I was just a kid at the time. 392 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,920 That night's actions literally destroyed an entire family. 393 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,480 She said she felt trapped, 394 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480 but by her trying to get her freedom... 395 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,280 she trapped us. 396 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,480 She knew, without me being on her side... 397 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,400 that... 398 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,640 she had no one left. 399 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:36,080 So, for her to see me up there, against her, 400 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,840 I'm sure it felt like a big betrayal... to her. 401 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,200 I... I tried to defend her many times, 402 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,640 and my children always came first with me. 403 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,200 If I had to take a beating, I took it. 404 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,920 Wow. 405 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,320 She never, everstood up for me. 406 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,280 This is a woman who literally walked out the door 407 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,760 whenever he was doing it because she didn't want to see it. 408 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,440 So what she's saying actually makes me mad... 409 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,760 because while he did beat her... 410 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,360 He did. That is true. 411 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,240 She never, ever took anything for me. 412 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,520 For her to say that, 413 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,680 you know, she... she tried to get the gun away 414 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,080 because she feared that she would be killed 415 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,560 and then I would be killed? 416 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,400 No. No, no, no, no, no. 417 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,840 Linda's concern is always about Linda. 418 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,000 Not about me. 419 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,640 Never has been about me. 420 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,320 I was raped by all his friends. 421 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,920 Anytime his friends came over, that would happen. 422 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,160 She likes to tell stories. She likes to get sympathy... 423 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,600 and she will tell anyone anything 424 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,240 if she thinks she can get something from it... 425 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,400 but for her to say that... 426 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,040 they had, all the time, they had all these parties all the time, 427 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,320 and that they basically, they raped her every time, 428 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,640 that just... that just didn't happen. 429 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,800 She could tell you a lie... 430 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,200 and you would think it's the gospel truth, 431 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,400 because she has told so many lies to so many people. 432 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,320 She believes her own lies. 433 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,000 She believes that... that this all happened... 434 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,640 in her head. 435 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,920 I wouldn't say that I planned no murder. 436 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,000 I... I didn't mean to kill him. 437 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,800 Um, I made a bad choice in putting him in the backyard, yes, 438 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,480 but if I'd been in my right frame of mind, I would have called the police. 439 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,320 Um... 440 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,440 I didn't want any of this to happen. 441 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,080 I didn't... I didn't want him dead. I just wanted him... 442 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,360 to let us go. 443 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,000 I wanted to leave, but yet I was scared to leave. 444 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,320 I didn't know what else to do. 445 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,680 When I was in trial... 446 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,440 my attorney advised me... 447 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,680 not to say anything about my... 448 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,720 abuse from my husband. 449 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,160 He said, "Without any evidence, 450 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,720 your word is just your word, not anybody else's." 451 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,800 I truly believe if I'd been able to say what I wanted to say in court, 452 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,320 I would not be sitting here today. 453 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:32,280 She never, ever stood up for me. 454 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,000 This is a woman who literally walked out the door 455 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,080 because she didn't want to see it. 456 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,800 I hate to say this, but Roxanne is lying. 457 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,280 I did try to, uh, protect her. 458 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,560 And many a times I had... 459 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,480 She may not have known it, but I took a lot of her beatings. 460 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,920 I don't understand why, um... 461 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,520 Well, maybe I do understand why she's lying. 462 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,160 Um, Roxanne... 463 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,840 was under the thumb of my in-laws 464 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,920 for all those years that she was... was growing up 465 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,440 while I was in here. 466 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,560 When she testified, I... 467 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,040 Even my attorney said to me... 468 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,160 that all that she said in court 469 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,240 was rehearsed. 470 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,000 It just didn't sound like her. 471 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,760 I still love her. 472 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,960 Um, that'll never change. I love all my children. 473 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,520 I felt just absolutely horrible inside 474 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,360 because she had me, unbeknownst to me... 475 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,960 bury my own father in the cold ground. 476 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,960 Knowing that I helped bury him, 477 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,840 it... it stayed with me for... for a long time. 478 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,000 They didn't help to dig. I mean, they were outside when I was doing it. 479 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,520 But they... they didn't do any of the digging. 480 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,440 There was no way those kids would have... 481 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,600 They were too young. They, they... They couldn't have done it. 482 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,120 And my state of mind at that point... 483 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,960 I wasn't even thinking about how it might affect the children. 484 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,680 Um... 485 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,560 I wasn't even a... Didn't know how it was going to affect me. 486 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:57,600 Um... 487 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,840 I feel like I have served my time and more than that. 488 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,240 It's very frustrating every time you go 489 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,960 and they just give you that reason 490 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,080 for denying you: "Due to the nature of your crime..." 491 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,440 Well, my nature of my crime will never end. 492 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,760 It's always going to be the same, 493 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,040 but what isn't the same is me. 494 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,160 I've changed. 495 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,960 I have done everything that I can possibly do 496 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,400 to prove I'm a better person. 497 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,600 Once I'm released here, I'm going to get me a job, 498 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,560 and I'm going to have my own place. 499 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,640 And just live out my life. 500 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,720 Whether or not, uh... 501 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,440 old friends... 502 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,160 want to see me or not, or my children... 503 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,640 I'm just going to continue to be who I am. 39923

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