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- In the criminal justice
system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police,
who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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- Thanks, Professor.
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I'll let my team know
the good news
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and we'll have a business plan
ready for you by next week.
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Talk soon.
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- DOA's a Hudson grad student
named Emily Wade.
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27, two in the chest.
- Witnesses?
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- Just the classmate
who found her.
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Didn't see anything,
but she was pretty shaken up.
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Said she was
the most intelligent
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and driven woman
she'd ever met.
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- Where is this classmate now?
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- EMTs are treating her
for shock.
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- Evidence of a break-in?
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- No, looks like
it all went down outside.
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- Cameras?
- Afraid not.
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Off-campus housing.
Security's pretty lax.
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- All right, let's see
what footage we can find
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from businesses
and traffic cams, huh?
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- I'd ballpark time of death
as 9:30.
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- Any indication of assault?
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- No.
But some blood splatter.
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Means the shooter
was point blank.
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- I'll check inside.
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- Probably got hit
with some droplets.
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- Yup.
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"Thinking of you."
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Doesn't say who it's from
or where it's from.
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Can you bag that? Thanks.
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You already check this?
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Cell phone still here.
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Wallet, credit cards, money.
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- Doesn't look like anyone
tossed the place.
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There's jewelry still
along the nightstand.
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- So it's not a robbery,
not an assault.
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Double tap to the chest.
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Starting to feel like
an execution.
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The question is why.
- Sad.
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Seems like she was
going places too.
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- Too bad she'll never
get there now.
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♪
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♪
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- I was dropping off
a statistics outline
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Em had loaned me.
Saw this van speeding off.
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- What'd the van look like?
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- Uh, blue.
Green stripe down the side.
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- You get a look at the plates
or the driver?
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- Sorry. No.
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- How well did you know
the victim?
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- We were study partners.
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- Can you think of anybody
she had a problem with?
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- Yeah.
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We'd get drinks at this place
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in Dumbo on Wednesdays
called Ewing's.
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She didn't want to go
last week.
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Said she was fighting with
one of the bartenders.
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- You know what the issue
was about?
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- No.
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But he apparently followed her
to the library the other day.
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- Sorry, guys,
not open till five.
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- Nathan Brae.
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- Who's asking?
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- We're New York City
detectives.
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We need a word.
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♪
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Give me your hands.
Give me your hands.
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- I didn't do anything wrong.
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- I only ran because
I had coke on me.
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I didn't want
to get in trouble.
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- Good instincts,
so unless you start talking,
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we're gonna charge you
with possession.
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- What's your beef with
Emily Wade?
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- I was dating her friend,
Alli.
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It was going good, too,
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until she dumped me
out of the blue last week.
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Turns out Emily's been dissing
me all over the place.
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I was pissed.
- Is that why you followed her
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to the library?
- Yeah.
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I told her to stay the hell
out of my life
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and then some muscle-head
gets in between us
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and tells me to back off,
so I did.
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- And you didn't go back to
her place later that evening,
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try to finish the conversation?
- No.
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There's no point, you know?
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- So where were you?
- What do you mean?
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Why do you care?
- Because Emily Wade is dead.
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Nathan Brae's alibi checks out.
Nothing on canvass either.
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- Any next of kin
we can talk to?
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- Nobody even to notify.
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Her parents died
when she was five.
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She was raised in foster care.
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- So what about this
mysterious blue van?
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Snake eyes.
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- Got something here,
Lieutenant.
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This is last Wednesday
afternoon
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outside Drummond Library.
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- There's our boy,
giving her the what for.
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- The argument
doesn't get very far.
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- Huh, looks like
our Good Samaritan's
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no random bystander.
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- Any chance we can get an ID?
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- I already sent the image
to FIS.
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This is what
they just sent back.
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Bobby Gorman, 28, ex-Marine.
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- Any recent contact
with Emily?
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- Lot of romantic
back and forth.
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Whoa.
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Punctuated by a nasty DM
he sent early yesterday
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accusing her
of cheating on him.
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"I'm so angry,
I could kill you."
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- We got an address
on this charmer?
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- Sheepshead Bay.
- All right, guys.
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Dust off your E-ZPass.
You're going to Brooklyn.
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- I found out about Emily
on Citizen.
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I can't believe she's gone.
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- Were you two together?
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- For a few months.
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- How was it going?
- Ups and downs.
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But I saw a future there.
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- Let's talk about
those downs then, huh?
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Like you threatening
to kill her.
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- What? You think I did this?
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- We think you need
to explain why
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you were sending her
threatening texts.
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- I felt terrible about that.
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I was just venting.
- About what?
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- All she did was study.
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Barely had any time for me.
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So I showed up
at her place on Thursday
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to surprise her
with Knicks tickets,
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but she was on her way out,
all dressed up.
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She claimed she had
a family issue to deal with.
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- You go by her place
last night for any reason?
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- No.
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Look, I didn't kill her.
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I loved her.
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- Key card to Gorman's loft
confirms his alibi.
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- So where are we with
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the unspecified family issues
that he alluded to?
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- Still looking for the family.
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- All right, so let's work back
from the time of the murder.
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What was Emily doing that day?
Where was she?
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Who was she with?
- Already on it.
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I pulled Emily's financials.
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Found an Uber charge the day
of the murder at 4:14 p.m.
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- Hmm.
- Where'd she go?
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- Yes, I met with
the poor soul
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day before yesterday.
- About what?
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- Her foster brother, Lonnie,
is a member here.
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She was worried about him.
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- What was she worried about,
Pastor Butler?
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- Uh, it's Pastor Mike,
and no offense, Detectives,
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but I take my parishioners'
privacy very seriously.
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- We understand, but Emily
was murdered shortly after
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she left here,
so you have to understand
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that we need to know why
she was so concerned about him.
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- Yes.
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He'd been asking her for money.
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She was worried about the
direction his life was taking.
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- What direction
are we talking about?
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- She asked that
I motivate him to find a job.
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I told her I would do my best
and she left.
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Excuse me for a second.
Reverend Sherman.
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Liturgy looks perfect, Henry.
Thank you.
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Lord's work is never done.
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- Speaking of the Lord's work--
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it's been a minute since
I was an altar boy,
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but why would Emily think
career advice
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is something
that's in your portfolio?
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- The success of our flock
glorifies God,
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so part of our work is to
guide them to milk and honey.
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As Jesus said,
"I came that they may have life
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and have it abundantly."
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- And that's your thing?
Abundance?
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- Yes. My congregation
is very generous.
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- Thank you for your time.
- Thank you.
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- We'll let you know
if there's any follow-up.
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- Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.
- Tell me how you really feel.
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- Don't tell me you didn't see
that fancy, schmancy suit
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and $10,000 watch.
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He's bleeding that
congregation dry.
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- It's a little more
complicated than that.
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A guy like that--
he takes, but he also gives.
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- How so?
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- Some of these folks are
having trouble finding a job,
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paying rent, even harder time
staying positive.
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- No different from
any church I know.
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- Yeah, but Pastor Mike
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fills a void for people
who feel hopeless.
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He's modeling success
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so that his congregation
has something to aspire to.
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- Not my idea of religion.
- Not mine either.
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But religion is whatever
works for you, right?
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So some people think
it's the body of Christ
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being represented by a wafer.
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Some people think
it's ponying up so the pastor
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can wear a Rolex.
- I am not buying it.
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- He's not selling it to you.
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Prosperity means
something different
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when you grow up
poor and Black, Frank.
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- Fair enough.
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- Let's check with
Emily's foster brother.
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See what he knows.
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- Emily and I spent five years
in this group home in Canarsie.
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The only thing we got out
of that place was each other.
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She was my big sis.
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- Sorry for your loss, Lonnie.
- Yeah.
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- We're trying
to piece together
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Emily's movements
two days ago.
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When was the last time
you saw her?
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- I went by her place
about lunch.
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- Now, would you say that was a
social call or something else?
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- I needed her
to float me rent.
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- Oh, you were having
money problems?
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- I got laid off a month ago.
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Savings are a little light.
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- I mean, I couldn't imagine
how that conversation might go
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between me and my sister if I
was asking her to pay my rent.
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You guys didn't fight or argue,
did you?
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- No, she was happy to do it.
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She even had the money wired
to my landlord.
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- How much money
we talking about?
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- Two grand.
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- Yeah, well,
the brother's story checks out.
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- Then let's follow
the money trail.
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- Communication just finished
the work up on her device.
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GPS puts her at the corner
of 11th and Avenue C
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right after eight
on the night of the murder.
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The address is a match
for a pawn shop
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called Sid's Jewelry and Loans.
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- There ought to be security
cams on that street, right?
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- Searching now.
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Pawn shop's got them
on front and back.
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This is at 8:20.
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- That looks like Emily.
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- Hey, can you get
in tighter on that guy?
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- Yes,
but you never see his face.
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- All right, well,
fast forward on the tape.
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- This is 8:32.
- She hawks something,
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and then an hour later,
she's dead.
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- GPS confirms her next stop
was home.
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- Freeze that.
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- Yeah, blue van,
green pinstripe.
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00:11:53,887 --> 00:11:55,932
- Got a shot of the driver too.
250
00:11:55,976 --> 00:11:58,630
Can't make out details,
but it looks like a Black male
251
00:11:58,674 --> 00:12:02,069
wearing the same New York logo
hat as the guy on the street.
252
00:12:02,112 --> 00:12:04,375
- Could fit the bill of the van
leaving the murder scene.
253
00:12:04,419 --> 00:12:05,812
Can you pull up
the registration?
254
00:12:05,855 --> 00:12:08,553
- Plate comes back
to Ruben Grandy,
255
00:12:08,597 --> 00:12:10,164
Astoria.
256
00:12:10,207 --> 00:12:11,643
He's got priors
for armed robbery.
257
00:12:11,687 --> 00:12:13,254
- All right, bring him in.
258
00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:21,566
♪
259
00:12:22,611 --> 00:12:24,178
- Police!
Show me your hands.
260
00:12:24,221 --> 00:12:25,657
Show me your hands.
- Don't move!
261
00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:27,355
- Take it easy, fellas.
262
00:12:27,398 --> 00:12:29,879
- Who else is here?
- Nobody, I swear to God.
263
00:12:29,923 --> 00:12:31,402
- All rooms clear.
- Clear.
264
00:12:31,446 --> 00:12:33,709
- Let's go.
- All right, keep your hands up
265
00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,624
and stand up for me.
Let's go.
266
00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:36,799
- All right,
but I'ma need my crutches.
267
00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:38,627
I got a broken leg.
268
00:12:38,670 --> 00:12:43,153
♪
269
00:12:48,115 --> 00:12:51,292
- I told you, I was playing
poker here with some friends.
270
00:12:51,335 --> 00:12:54,121
- Where's your van?
- Gave it away a few weeks ago.
271
00:12:54,164 --> 00:12:56,558
- To who?
- My church. First Harmony.
272
00:12:56,601 --> 00:12:58,821
Cast won't come off till
summer, so I can't drive.
273
00:12:58,865 --> 00:13:00,780
I was happy to send it
their way too.
274
00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,391
- And why's that?
- Guy that runs the church,
275
00:13:03,434 --> 00:13:06,829
Pastor Mike, he's a good man.
276
00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:09,310
Found me a job when
I got out of Sing Sing.
277
00:13:09,353 --> 00:13:11,834
- So Pastor Mike is the one
driving the van now.
278
00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:14,532
- No, he gave it
to the vice pastor,
279
00:13:14,576 --> 00:13:16,839
Reverend Sherman.
280
00:13:16,883 --> 00:13:19,755
- Yes, I was driving
Ruben's van.
281
00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,583
My car is in the shop.
282
00:13:21,626 --> 00:13:23,106
- Where'd you go
after you left the church?
283
00:13:23,150 --> 00:13:24,804
- Home.
284
00:13:24,847 --> 00:13:27,415
- You have any interaction with
Emily Wade couple nights ago?
285
00:13:27,458 --> 00:13:29,678
- Who?
- Emily Wade.
286
00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:31,898
Her brother's Lonnie Ballard.
He's a congregant.
287
00:13:31,941 --> 00:13:34,683
- Mm.
288
00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:36,032
Before I say anything else,
289
00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:37,773
I need to know why
you're asking that.
290
00:13:37,817 --> 00:13:39,427
- That van was used
in the commission
291
00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:41,821
of the murder of Emily Wade.
292
00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,257
- You accusing me of something?
293
00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,172
- You stop by a pawn shop
that night around 8:30,
294
00:13:45,215 --> 00:13:48,915
maybe one on 11th and Avenue C?
- No.
295
00:13:48,958 --> 00:13:50,655
- So you're saying
you went straight home
296
00:13:50,699 --> 00:13:52,005
from First Harmony
and you never left.
297
00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:54,877
Is that right, Henry?
- It's Reverend Sherman.
298
00:13:54,921 --> 00:13:56,966
You'd do well to remember
who you're talking to.
299
00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,712
- We know exactly
who we're talking to.
300
00:14:03,755 --> 00:14:05,714
An ex-con with a rap sheet
as long as my arm
301
00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:07,890
and a seven-year stint
in Fishkill.
302
00:14:07,934 --> 00:14:09,936
And now, all of a sudden,
you're a man of the cloth?
303
00:14:09,979 --> 00:14:12,025
- Meaning what?
- Meaning you're no bishop,
304
00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:14,288
so you need to account for your
whereabouts two nights ago.
305
00:14:14,331 --> 00:14:17,595
- The only one
I need to account to is God.
306
00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:19,641
And I won't stand here
and be insulted...
307
00:14:19,684 --> 00:14:21,295
- Hey.
- For devoting my life
308
00:14:21,338 --> 00:14:22,818
to the almighty.
- Calm down.
309
00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:24,646
- You can see yourselves out.
- You're on parole.
310
00:14:24,689 --> 00:14:26,126
You're not going anywhere.
311
00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:28,302
both: Hey, hey. Wait.
- Yo, take your hands off of me.
312
00:14:28,345 --> 00:14:30,304
Hey, Henry.
313
00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:32,349
- We got a church too.
314
00:14:32,393 --> 00:14:34,699
And putting hands
on my partner,
315
00:14:34,743 --> 00:14:36,788
that's a sin.
316
00:14:38,312 --> 00:14:40,662
Let's try this again.
- I already told you.
317
00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:42,969
I was at the church until six
then I went home.
318
00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:44,927
- How do you explain the fact
that you were seen
319
00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:46,973
in that van driving away
from the church?
320
00:14:47,016 --> 00:14:49,889
That same van was spotted
a few hours later
321
00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:51,716
fleeing the scene
of Emily's shooting.
322
00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,066
- Someone else
had to be driving it.
323
00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:54,937
- Somebody else
is driving your van?
324
00:14:54,981 --> 00:14:57,679
- Yeah, I left the keys on the
front tire when I parked it.
325
00:14:57,722 --> 00:14:59,202
- And why would you do that?
326
00:14:59,246 --> 00:15:01,335
- So parishioners in need
of transportation can use it.
327
00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:04,294
- You got callers for
possession and burglary.
328
00:15:04,338 --> 00:15:07,515
Maybe you're using again.
Maybe you're hard up for cash
329
00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:09,212
and you saw Emily
as an easy target.
330
00:15:09,256 --> 00:15:10,648
- You're wrong.
- I don't think I am.
331
00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:13,956
I'm searching your van.
332
00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,045
- You okay with all this?
- With what?
333
00:15:16,089 --> 00:15:17,351
- End of the day,
334
00:15:17,394 --> 00:15:20,745
you got to decide whose side
you're really on.
335
00:15:20,789 --> 00:15:22,834
- I've already decided,
brother.
336
00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:25,533
I'm on God's side.
337
00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:28,057
Turns out,
he doesn't like murder.
338
00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:32,844
- There's a baseball cap
with a New York logo on it
339
00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:35,717
and there's blood
on the armrest.
340
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,675
Blood.
341
00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:39,721
You want to explain that?
- I'm not talking.
342
00:15:39,764 --> 00:15:41,114
- Well, maybe you'll talk
to a jury.
343
00:15:41,157 --> 00:15:43,116
You're under arrest for
the murder of Emily Wade.
344
00:15:46,771 --> 00:15:49,296
- Calling docket
ending in 2129.
345
00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:50,906
People versus Henry Sherman
346
00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:53,387
charged with murder
in the second degree.
347
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:54,954
- How does the defendant plead?
348
00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:56,999
- Not guilty, Your Honor.
349
00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:58,958
- I'll hear the people on bail.
350
00:15:59,001 --> 00:16:00,263
- We're seeking remand.
351
00:16:00,307 --> 00:16:02,700
The defendant
stalked the victim,
352
00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:05,442
followed her home,
then shot her to death
353
00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:07,183
during a botched robbery.
354
00:16:07,227 --> 00:16:08,880
Evidence is substantial.
355
00:16:08,924 --> 00:16:10,926
We found the victim's blood
in a van
356
00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,754
that the defendant
had control over--
357
00:16:12,797 --> 00:16:15,800
the same van seen leaving
the victim's apartment
358
00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:18,107
shortly after the murder.
- Mr. Gale.
359
00:16:18,151 --> 00:16:21,589
- My client is a highly
respected member of the clergy.
360
00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,025
- With a lengthy
criminal record.
361
00:16:23,069 --> 00:16:26,507
- Who's lived an exemplary life
since finding God.
362
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:29,597
There's no eye witnesses,
no gun,
363
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,207
no evidence of motive.
364
00:16:31,251 --> 00:16:35,342
No one can put my client
behind the wheel of that van
365
00:16:35,385 --> 00:16:37,257
at the time of the murder.
366
00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:40,086
- An argument you're free
to make at trial, Mr. Gale.
367
00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:42,262
Bail is set at $1 million.
368
00:16:45,743 --> 00:16:50,009
- Case is solid,
but our motive is still weak.
369
00:16:50,052 --> 00:16:52,968
Why on Earth would this man
kill Emily Wade?
370
00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,405
- Does it matter?
If we can prove he shot her,
371
00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:57,320
his motive's irrelevant.
372
00:16:57,364 --> 00:16:59,931
My mentor taught me that.
373
00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:02,064
- Yes, but he also taught you
374
00:17:02,108 --> 00:17:04,980
juries hate cases
that don't make sense.
375
00:17:05,023 --> 00:17:07,852
- You're right. He did.
376
00:17:07,896 --> 00:17:10,986
So let's dig deeper.
377
00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:14,381
Find a credible reason why
Sherman wanted to kill Emily.
378
00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:18,037
- Scour his texts, email,
phone records, financials.
379
00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,652
Mm-hmm.
380
00:17:24,694 --> 00:17:28,263
A V12.
- Gentlemen.
381
00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:30,049
- Pastor Mike.
382
00:17:30,092 --> 00:17:31,876
Nice ride.
You got a minute?
383
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,488
- I'd love to chat,
but I'm late.
384
00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:36,620
One of my oldest and dearest
congregants is quite ill.
385
00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:39,623
I'm heading over to the
hospital to pray with him.
386
00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,321
Help him find peace
before he passes.
387
00:17:41,364 --> 00:17:43,497
- Oh, that's fantastic,
so this won't take long.
388
00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:44,672
We just have a few questions.
389
00:17:44,715 --> 00:17:46,065
- Sorry, I can't.
Not now.
390
00:17:46,108 --> 00:17:48,197
- Oh, you misunderstand
my kindness here.
391
00:17:48,241 --> 00:17:51,505
I'm not asking.
I'm telling.
392
00:17:51,548 --> 00:17:53,333
- You're telling?
393
00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:55,030
No, you don't get to tell me
a damn thing.
394
00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:57,163
- Sure I do.
For starters, I'm telling you
395
00:17:57,206 --> 00:17:58,947
that we know that
vice Pastor Sherman
396
00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:03,778
deposited a $50,000 check
a day after Emily Wade was shot.
397
00:18:03,821 --> 00:18:05,519
- So?
398
00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:08,043
- So we want to know
what the check was for.
399
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,958
- It's a private matter.
- Private?
400
00:18:10,001 --> 00:18:12,091
Sherman was charged
with murder,
401
00:18:12,134 --> 00:18:15,398
so anything he has said or done
is now a public matter.
402
00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:19,794
- I'm done talking,
so you can either arrest me
403
00:18:19,837 --> 00:18:22,188
or step out of my way.
404
00:18:22,231 --> 00:18:29,108
♪
405
00:18:29,151 --> 00:18:30,979
Good day.
406
00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,079
- Does your pastor
drive a Bentley?
407
00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,429
- I don't go to church enough
to know.
408
00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:55,569
- A superseding indictment
for first-degree murder.
409
00:18:55,612 --> 00:18:58,485
On what basis?
- Murder for hire.
410
00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:02,793
Pastor Mike paid your client
to kill Emily Wade.
411
00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:04,447
- Is this a joke?
412
00:19:04,491 --> 00:19:06,797
- Here are 50,000 reasons
it's not.
413
00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:11,933
- So he makes
a $50,000 deposit.
414
00:19:11,976 --> 00:19:14,240
Who cares?
- I'm guessing the jury might
415
00:19:14,283 --> 00:19:16,111
since it was
the day after the murder
416
00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:17,591
from a First Harmony account.
417
00:19:17,634 --> 00:19:21,203
- And phone logs show
Mr. Sherman called Pastor Mike
418
00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:24,598
just before and after
Emily Wade was shot to death.
419
00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:26,774
- Look, if we're right,
and we are,
420
00:19:26,817 --> 00:19:29,646
you would be wise to cooperate.
421
00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:32,867
Tell us what really happened,
or there's a very good chance
422
00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:36,436
you'll die in prison.
423
00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:39,221
- I've got nothing to say.
424
00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:43,399
- You feel obligation
to Pastor Mike
425
00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:45,662
because he took you in,
426
00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:48,012
he gave you a job,
a purpose.
427
00:19:48,056 --> 00:19:51,581
But what he really did
is use you.
428
00:19:51,625 --> 00:19:56,020
That's why you're here
taking the rap and he's not.
429
00:19:58,806 --> 00:20:01,765
Murder two, 15 years.
430
00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:05,334
- I'm not a rat.
431
00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:14,474
♪
432
00:20:14,517 --> 00:20:17,216
Hold on. Wait.
433
00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:26,616
- How about man one,
ten years flat?
434
00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,663
- We're listening.
435
00:20:29,706 --> 00:20:32,448
- Pastor Mike was nervous.
436
00:20:32,492 --> 00:20:35,016
Said that Emily was a problem.
437
00:20:35,059 --> 00:20:37,148
That we needed
to shut her ass up.
438
00:20:37,192 --> 00:20:40,804
- What did he mean by that?
439
00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:43,851
- He wanted me to kill her.
440
00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:48,682
- Why would he want to do that?
441
00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:53,034
- She told Pastor Mike
she was gonna call the police
442
00:20:53,077 --> 00:20:55,950
if he didn't return
her brother's donation.
443
00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:58,300
Let them know what's really
going on in the church.
444
00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:02,043
- Is that some sort of secret?
- No.
445
00:21:02,086 --> 00:21:04,872
But Pastor Mike
doesn't like paying taxes
446
00:21:04,915 --> 00:21:09,311
or going to jail,
so he panicked.
447
00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:11,618
- Okay.
448
00:21:11,661 --> 00:21:13,054
Yeah, we got a deal,
449
00:21:13,097 --> 00:21:15,970
assuming your story checks out,
of course.
450
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:24,413
Did you give or donate money
to Pastor Mike?
451
00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:26,546
- Yes.
452
00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:28,112
$40,000.
453
00:21:28,156 --> 00:21:31,333
- Did Emily know about this?
- Yes.
454
00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:33,379
I told her that day I asked her
to help me pay the rent.
455
00:21:33,422 --> 00:21:37,165
- Well, when she heard about
the donation, was she upset?
456
00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:41,343
Did she tell you she was going
to go get your money back?
457
00:21:41,387 --> 00:21:44,346
- She was upset.
She thought I was an idiot.
458
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:46,261
But she didn't think
like I did.
459
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:50,352
She's not a believer like me.
460
00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:53,312
Wait.
461
00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:54,748
You think Pastor Mike
has something to do
462
00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:56,619
with her murder?
463
00:21:56,663 --> 00:21:58,099
- That is correct.
464
00:21:58,142 --> 00:22:00,231
- When she found out
you gave him that money,
465
00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:03,713
she stormed over to the church
and demanded he give it back.
466
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:06,020
- Or she would inform
the police about his antics.
467
00:22:06,063 --> 00:22:07,543
- What do you mean antics?
468
00:22:07,587 --> 00:22:10,372
- Buying houses and boats
with his congregants'
469
00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:12,461
hard-earned cash.
- You're wrong.
470
00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:14,507
The money we give
helps with prosperity.
471
00:22:14,550 --> 00:22:16,117
It's part of the gospel.
472
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,858
- I know this is hard
for you to hear--
473
00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:19,947
- Pastor Mike would never
hurt Emily.
474
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:21,427
He's a healer.
475
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:26,083
I mean, if it wasn't for him,
I'd probably be dead.
476
00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,998
I mean, he got me off heroin.
477
00:22:31,611 --> 00:22:33,613
- And with all due respect,
478
00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:37,138
that has nothing to do with
your sister's case.
479
00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:43,536
- I think I've had enough.
480
00:22:43,579 --> 00:22:46,147
Please leave.
481
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:48,323
Now.
482
00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:53,502
- Let me get this straight.
483
00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:56,375
You want to go after a pillar
of the community,
484
00:22:56,418 --> 00:22:58,812
a clergyman,
485
00:22:58,855 --> 00:23:00,683
on the word
of a convicted felon
486
00:23:00,727 --> 00:23:02,468
with every reason to trade up.
487
00:23:02,511 --> 00:23:05,384
- We believe Henry Sherman
is telling the truth.
488
00:23:05,427 --> 00:23:08,038
The victim's brother confirmed
the crux of his story.
489
00:23:08,082 --> 00:23:10,954
- That's great,
but Sherman is still the felon
490
00:23:10,998 --> 00:23:13,870
with a fantastic motive
to lie his ass off.
491
00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:16,264
- We're talking about
a religious leader
492
00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:19,615
who orchestrated someone's
murder to cover up his scheme.
493
00:23:19,659 --> 00:23:22,313
If we don't at least try
to hold someone like that
494
00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:24,925
accountable,
we're in the wrong line of work.
495
00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:32,672
- Put Pastor Mike on trial,
not his church.
496
00:23:32,715 --> 00:23:36,415
If you lose religious jurors,
you won't have a prayer.
497
00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:42,769
choir:
♪ Gonna lay down my burden
498
00:23:42,812 --> 00:23:45,206
♪ Down by the riverside
499
00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:49,993
♪ Study war no more
- Yes.
500
00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:51,691
Lord.
501
00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,215
They live.
- Yes.
502
00:23:54,258 --> 00:23:57,044
- Praise the Lord.
- Yeah!
503
00:23:57,087 --> 00:23:58,915
- Thank you, choir,
for lifting our spirits
504
00:23:58,959 --> 00:24:00,743
on the winds of your song.
Amen?
505
00:24:00,787 --> 00:24:02,353
all: Amen.
- Amen?
506
00:24:02,397 --> 00:24:03,964
all: Amen.
507
00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:05,226
- I want to talk about
508
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:07,707
the importance of
your financial support.
509
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:10,057
What you give your church
will come back to you tenfold.
510
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,016
all: Yes.
- Detectives.
511
00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,018
You're interrupting
our service.
512
00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:17,238
- Pastor, we need a word.
513
00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:20,023
- You're gonna have to wait.
- Justice waits for no man.
514
00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:26,160
You're under arrest
for the murder of Emily Wade.
515
00:24:31,644 --> 00:24:35,691
- Fear not, my children.
God has a plan.
516
00:24:35,735 --> 00:24:37,388
The righteous shall prevail.
517
00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:42,829
- This is ludicrous.
518
00:24:42,872 --> 00:24:44,483
Do you seriously think
519
00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:46,397
that I'm involved
in this young woman's death?
520
00:24:46,441 --> 00:24:47,573
- We do.
521
00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,227
- Because Reverend Sherman
made up a story.
522
00:24:50,271 --> 00:24:52,665
- He seemed pretty credible.
523
00:24:52,708 --> 00:24:56,364
- Evidence supports it too.
524
00:24:56,407 --> 00:24:59,846
- I suppose the darkness
from within was just
525
00:24:59,889 --> 00:25:01,238
too much for him to overcome.
526
00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:03,502
- Yeah, that may be true,
but right now,
527
00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:06,940
you need to help yourself
and tell us what happened.
528
00:25:11,901 --> 00:25:14,338
- I'm done talking.
529
00:25:14,382 --> 00:25:16,253
I want a lawyer.
530
00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:19,256
Reverend Sherman can say
whatever he wants,
531
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:22,216
but the truth will prevail.
532
00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:29,745
- After Emily Wade
left First Harmony,
533
00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:32,879
did you have occasion to confer
with Pastor Mike?
534
00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:35,272
- I did.
- And what did he tell you
535
00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:37,536
about the conversation
that he'd had with her?
536
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:49,939
- We didn't talk about her.
We talked about his sermon.
537
00:25:49,983 --> 00:25:52,463
- He didn't tell you
that Ms. Wade
538
00:25:52,507 --> 00:25:54,248
wanted her brother's money back
539
00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:56,206
or she was gonna go
to the police?
540
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:57,643
- No.
- He didn't tell you
541
00:25:57,686 --> 00:26:00,036
that she would destroy
everything you'd built,
542
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,778
so you had to shut her up?
- No.
543
00:26:05,781 --> 00:26:08,392
♪
544
00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,439
- Mr. Sherman,
did you or did you not tell me
545
00:26:11,482 --> 00:26:14,747
Pastor Mike paid you
to kill Emily Wade.
546
00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:17,097
- I did tell you that,
547
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:18,925
and I was lying
because I wanted a deal.
548
00:26:20,404 --> 00:26:22,319
- Quiet or I'll clear
the gallery.
549
00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:26,454
- The truth is you're lying now
out of some misguided
550
00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:28,151
sense of loyalty to your boss,
aren't you?
551
00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,719
- I'm not lying.
I'm telling the truth.
552
00:26:30,763 --> 00:26:32,547
- Sir, I remind you that
if you violate the terms
553
00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:34,462
of your plea agreement--
- Objection.
554
00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:37,334
Asked and answered.
- I agree.
555
00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:40,468
Mr. Price,
the witness' testimony
556
00:26:40,511 --> 00:26:42,339
is very clear.
557
00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,780
- Nothing further.
558
00:26:47,823 --> 00:26:49,303
- Mr. Dressler?
559
00:26:49,346 --> 00:26:50,957
- No questions, Your Honor.
560
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,916
- The People request
a brief recess.
561
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,657
- We're adjourned
until tomorrow.
562
00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,497
- Rikers' Visitor Log shows
Pastor Mike's attorney
563
00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:11,455
went to visit Sherman
in jail yesterday.
564
00:27:11,499 --> 00:27:15,111
Less than 24 hours later,
Sherman sandbags us.
565
00:27:15,155 --> 00:27:16,678
It's witness tampering.
566
00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:18,811
- No doubt.
567
00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:20,769
But that's too hard to prove.
568
00:27:20,813 --> 00:27:22,641
We'll just have to make
the case without him.
569
00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:30,953
- We were looking at calls
coming into Pastor Mike
570
00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:32,999
the day of the murder, right?
571
00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:34,348
- Yeah, I'm not following.
572
00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,916
- We know Sherman
called Pastor Mike
573
00:27:36,959 --> 00:27:38,657
right after he killed Emily.
574
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,703
But according to this call log,
Pastor Mike called someone else
575
00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:44,837
as soon as that conversation
was finished.
576
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,056
- Let's find out who he called
and what he said.
577
00:27:52,061 --> 00:27:54,368
- As Senior Pastor
of First Harmony,
578
00:27:54,411 --> 00:27:57,414
I don't have
day-to-day involvement.
579
00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:01,854
I function strictly
in an advisory capacity now.
580
00:28:01,897 --> 00:28:04,683
- Yes, but that capacity
includes
581
00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:07,120
the provision of counsel
to Pastor Mike, doesn't it?
582
00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:08,556
- It does.
583
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,081
- Does he typically call you
in the evening?
584
00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:14,040
- He does not.
- But he did call you
585
00:28:14,083 --> 00:28:16,390
December 14th at night.
586
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:17,957
What did you two talk about?
587
00:28:19,915 --> 00:28:21,743
I'm a preacher.
588
00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:24,267
Conversations with
my congregants are
589
00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,748
meant to be confidential.
590
00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:28,968
- A woman was murdered.
591
00:28:29,011 --> 00:28:30,883
Doesn't that trump
confidentiality?
592
00:28:30,926 --> 00:28:34,234
♪
593
00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:38,629
- He called me on that night
as his clergyman.
594
00:28:38,673 --> 00:28:42,633
He wanted
to unburden his soul,
595
00:28:42,677 --> 00:28:46,507
which means the nature
of that conversation
596
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:50,903
is protected under the laws
of the State of New York.
597
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:55,603
- So just so I'm clear...
598
00:28:55,646 --> 00:28:59,781
you're okay
if a murderer walks free?
599
00:29:06,962 --> 00:29:11,967
- I'm not talking, fellas.
Simple as that.
600
00:29:12,011 --> 00:29:17,407
♪
601
00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:24,893
- Bryant is the whole ballgame.
He has to testify.
602
00:29:24,937 --> 00:29:29,289
- But he's a clergyman.
And he's right about the law.
603
00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:31,900
His conversation with
the defendant is privileged.
604
00:29:31,944 --> 00:29:35,730
- Unless that privilege is
in service of a crime or fraud.
605
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:37,297
- You're on dangerous ground,
Nolan.
606
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,429
To prove that,
you have to attack the church.
607
00:29:39,473 --> 00:29:41,083
I thought we agreed
608
00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:43,825
that we would make the case
about the man not the religion.
609
00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:45,087
- I'm not going after religion.
610
00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:47,960
I'm going after
a single corrupt preacher.
611
00:29:48,003 --> 00:29:49,744
- It'll read as blasphemy.
612
00:29:49,788 --> 00:29:51,659
- Delegitimizing First Harmony
613
00:29:51,702 --> 00:29:54,183
is the only way
to convict Pastor Mike.
614
00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,055
Otherwise, we may as well
drop the charges.
615
00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:59,449
- If we lose this case,
all people will remember
616
00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:01,756
is an over-zealous prosecutor
617
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,628
who vilified a church
for no good reason.
618
00:30:04,672 --> 00:30:07,327
And that's all
I'm going to remember too.
619
00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:13,768
- The mere suggestion
this trial should devolve into
620
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:17,206
a referendum on the legitimacy
of First Harmony is outrageous.
621
00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,905
- I take the point.
Mr. Price?
622
00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:24,126
- The People are aware of
the sensitivities at play here.
623
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:26,259
But we're only questioning
that legitimacy
624
00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:29,436
for the limited purposes
of a privilege inquiry.
625
00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:32,308
- The phone call between
Pastor Mike and Pastor Bryant
626
00:30:32,352 --> 00:30:35,616
was obviously for the purpose
of seeking spiritual advice.
627
00:30:35,659 --> 00:30:37,313
- Presumptively
for that purpose,
628
00:30:37,357 --> 00:30:39,881
a presumption
that can be overcome
629
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:43,798
if we establish that the church
is a corrupt enterprise.
630
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,931
- I share your concerns,
Mr. Dressler,
631
00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:48,281
but this is a murder trial.
632
00:30:48,324 --> 00:30:50,936
So I'm gonna grant the People
a limited opportunity
633
00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:53,416
to demonstrate fraud.
634
00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:56,332
And the defense will have
the chance to rebut.
635
00:31:02,077 --> 00:31:06,908
- Mr. Conley, how much did you
donate to First Harmony?
636
00:31:06,952 --> 00:31:09,519
- $61,000 over three years.
637
00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:10,869
- And during that time,
638
00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,741
did you experience
any financial setbacks?
639
00:31:13,784 --> 00:31:16,744
- Yes.
I lost my home, my car.
640
00:31:16,787 --> 00:31:18,398
Couldn't even pay
the storage facility,
641
00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:19,878
so they sold my stuff.
642
00:31:19,921 --> 00:31:23,229
- And yet you continued donating
to First Harmony, right?
643
00:31:23,272 --> 00:31:24,665
- Yes.
- Why?
644
00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:26,841
- Because Pastor Mike told me
if I stopped giving,
645
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:29,322
it could jeopardize
my relationship with God.
646
00:31:29,365 --> 00:31:32,238
- The money you donated--
do you know where it went?
647
00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:34,327
- Yeah. His Tesla.
648
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:37,591
His mansion in Armonk.
His catamaran.
649
00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:40,681
What Pastor needs a catamaran?
650
00:31:40,724 --> 00:31:42,901
- Nothing further.
651
00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,950
- Mr. Conley,
652
00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:51,735
are you currently a member
of Gamblers Anonymous?
653
00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:55,478
- Yes.
654
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,959
- And how much money
have you lost gambling
655
00:31:58,003 --> 00:31:59,439
the past three years?
656
00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:01,180
- I don't remember.
657
00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:04,661
- Nearly $200,000.
Is that right?
658
00:32:04,705 --> 00:32:06,446
- I guess.
659
00:32:06,489 --> 00:32:08,622
- So First Harmony
isn't the real cause
660
00:32:08,665 --> 00:32:10,798
of your financial woes,
is it?
661
00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:12,234
- Doesn't matter.
662
00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,541
That man over there
stole from me.
663
00:32:14,584 --> 00:32:21,069
♪
664
00:32:21,113 --> 00:32:23,942
- Mr. Ballard, you're
a recovering heroin addict.
665
00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:25,726
Is that right?
- Recovered.
666
00:32:25,769 --> 00:32:27,293
- That's amazing.
667
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:30,383
And to what do you attribute
your recovery?
668
00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:31,993
- Pastor Mike.
669
00:32:32,037 --> 00:32:35,127
He got me into a facility,
paid for the program.
670
00:32:35,170 --> 00:32:36,911
Visited me every day
for six weeks
671
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,391
to make sure
I was doing the work.
672
00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:40,697
- Were you employed
as a sales rep
673
00:32:40,741 --> 00:32:42,656
for Shearing Pharmaceuticals?
674
00:32:42,699 --> 00:32:45,006
- Yes, for four years.
675
00:32:45,050 --> 00:32:46,616
I just got laid off.
676
00:32:46,660 --> 00:32:49,402
- I'm sorry about that.
And who got you that job?
677
00:32:49,445 --> 00:32:51,143
- Pastor Mike.
678
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:52,796
- There's been testimony about
679
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,321
Pastor Mike's
extravagant lifestyle.
680
00:32:55,364 --> 00:32:56,975
Are you familiar
with how he lives?
681
00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:58,237
- Of course.
682
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,543
And it's a blessing
to the congregation.
683
00:33:00,587 --> 00:33:03,111
- Do you believe First Harmony
defrauded you in any way?
684
00:33:03,155 --> 00:33:05,592
- No.
As Pastor Mike likes to say,
685
00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:08,682
"When we invest in the church,
we invest in ourselves."
686
00:33:08,725 --> 00:33:10,423
And I'm living proof
that's true.
687
00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:12,033
- Thank you.
688
00:33:14,688 --> 00:33:15,950
- Mr. Ballard,
689
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,387
I'm very sorry about
the loss of your sister.
690
00:33:18,431 --> 00:33:20,911
- Thank you.
691
00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:25,786
- Until a short time ago,
what was your net worth?
692
00:33:25,829 --> 00:33:27,788
- About $40,000.
693
00:33:27,831 --> 00:33:29,833
- What's your net worth now?
694
00:33:29,877 --> 00:33:32,706
- Less than that.
- In fact, it is zero.
695
00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:36,753
Because you donated every cent
you had to First Harmony.
696
00:33:36,797 --> 00:33:38,146
- I'll make more.
697
00:33:38,190 --> 00:33:40,975
- How much have you given
First Harmony
698
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,499
over the past four years?
699
00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:44,805
- I don't remember.
700
00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:48,765
- Does almost $90,000
sound right?
701
00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:53,031
- I donated because
that's the right thing to do.
702
00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:55,120
I owe Pastor Mike.
I owe him.
703
00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:59,515
- Well, isn't it possible that
the man you say you owe
704
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,604
turned you into
a productive citizen
705
00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:04,694
in order to milk you
of everything you earned?
706
00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:07,567
- No. Donating to your church
is the right thing to do.
707
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,612
Pastor Mike deserves
every penny I gave him.
708
00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:11,527
- Oh, you gave Pastor Mike
your money?
709
00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:14,139
- No, no, I meant I--
I gave it to First Harm--
710
00:34:14,181 --> 00:34:16,010
this man is trying to fool me!
711
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:17,751
- No, sir.
712
00:34:17,793 --> 00:34:21,710
I am not the one fooling you.
713
00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:24,062
Nothing further.
714
00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:30,110
♪
715
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,460
- The parishioners who donated
716
00:34:32,505 --> 00:34:34,681
did so knowing that Pastor Mike
was spending at least
717
00:34:34,724 --> 00:34:37,161
some of the money on himself.
718
00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,728
No one was threatened
or coerced.
719
00:34:39,773 --> 00:34:44,125
They donated for inspiration,
which is exactly what they got.
720
00:34:44,168 --> 00:34:49,348
Pastor Mike's success
was a beacon to his parish,
721
00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:52,132
which is all that
the prosperity gospel entails.
722
00:34:52,177 --> 00:34:54,483
You get the benefit
of your bargain,
723
00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:58,052
it can't be fraud.
724
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:01,142
- Mr. Price?
725
00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:06,930
- Fraud needn't be a function
of deceit or coercion.
726
00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,628
It can also be manipulation
727
00:35:08,671 --> 00:35:11,239
by a person
in a position of trust,
728
00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:15,156
such as a pastor
who tells his flock
729
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,507
that their relationship with God
will be compromised
730
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:21,684
if they don't give money
to the church.
731
00:35:21,728 --> 00:35:24,209
These donations were part
of a shameless money grab
732
00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:27,212
by a charismatic
and manipulative figure
733
00:35:27,255 --> 00:35:30,084
in a position
of control and power.
734
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:33,914
The defendant concealed these
cash contributions from the IRS
735
00:35:33,957 --> 00:35:35,916
and used the money he received
736
00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:38,397
to finance
his opulent lifestyle.
737
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,141
That is not religion.
That's fraud.
738
00:35:51,061 --> 00:35:54,500
- I agree with Mr. Price.
739
00:35:54,543 --> 00:35:59,244
And since the defense
did not rebut his claims,
740
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,638
I am vitiating
the clergy privilege.
741
00:36:02,682 --> 00:36:09,645
♪
742
00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:18,219
- Mr. Price.
743
00:36:18,263 --> 00:36:20,003
Why you doing this?
- Excuse me?
744
00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:22,180
- Trying to destroy my church.
745
00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,660
- No, I can assure you,
that is not my objective.
746
00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:26,619
- You're acting like we don't
know what we're doing,
747
00:36:26,662 --> 00:36:28,925
that Pastor Mike
is trying to defraud us.
748
00:36:28,969 --> 00:36:31,450
That's not
what's going on here.
749
00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:33,800
We know what we're doing.
We want to give him our money.
750
00:36:33,843 --> 00:36:37,804
- That is your choice.
I--I don't really care.
751
00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:39,980
I'm simply trying to present
the facts to the jury
752
00:36:40,023 --> 00:36:41,895
so they know
what really happened--
753
00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:44,245
so they know who really
killed Emily, your sister.
754
00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:45,942
I-I would've thought
that's something
755
00:36:45,986 --> 00:36:47,117
you might be interested in
as well.
756
00:36:47,161 --> 00:36:49,032
- Don't do that.
757
00:36:49,076 --> 00:36:53,036
Don't you dare suggest that
I don't love my sister Emily.
758
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,257
I do. More than anything.
759
00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:57,432
But she's gone.
760
00:36:57,476 --> 00:36:59,434
Ain't nothing
we can do about that.
761
00:36:59,478 --> 00:37:00,827
And nothing you could do
to convince me
762
00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:02,524
that Pastor Mike is involved.
763
00:37:02,568 --> 00:37:05,048
- I won't bother trying.
- Wait, wait.
764
00:37:07,225 --> 00:37:10,750
I'm just scared.
765
00:37:10,793 --> 00:37:15,058
If you destroy Pastor Mike
and my church...
766
00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:20,629
I'm left with
absolutely nothing.
767
00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:27,419
Please.
768
00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,870
- Pastor Mike Butler
769
00:37:43,913 --> 00:37:47,743
called you at 9:14 on the
evening of Emily Wade's murder.
770
00:37:49,745 --> 00:37:52,618
- He did.
- And what did he tell you?
771
00:37:59,538 --> 00:38:03,803
- He told me
he wanted to pray with me
772
00:38:03,846 --> 00:38:07,285
because he had transgressed.
773
00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:15,641
- Did he tell you exactly
what the transgression was?
774
00:38:15,684 --> 00:38:18,208
- This is not right.
775
00:38:18,252 --> 00:38:21,168
That conversation was sacred.
776
00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:22,343
- Pastor Bryant--
777
00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:25,477
- Only God
should know the contents.
778
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,394
- Will the court please instruct
the witness to answer?
779
00:38:29,437 --> 00:38:32,135
- Pastor Bryant,
the court has ruled
780
00:38:32,179 --> 00:38:34,137
clergy privilege
does not apply here.
781
00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:35,791
- Oh.
- If you don't answer,
782
00:38:35,835 --> 00:38:37,445
I will have to hold you
in contempt.
783
00:38:37,489 --> 00:38:39,186
Do you understand that?
784
00:38:39,229 --> 00:38:42,929
♪
785
00:38:42,972 --> 00:38:44,191
- Yes.
786
00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:47,847
- Ask your question again,
Mr. Price.
787
00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:50,980
- I'll make it a simple
yes or no question.
788
00:38:51,024 --> 00:38:53,896
Did the defendant tell you
789
00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:58,205
that he had instructed
Mr. Sherman to kill Emily Wade?
790
00:38:58,248 --> 00:39:03,950
♪
791
00:39:03,993 --> 00:39:05,343
- Yes.
792
00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:24,710
- Nothing further.
793
00:39:24,753 --> 00:39:26,973
- Then we are adjourned
for the day.
794
00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:33,936
- Man one, 20 max.
795
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:36,809
- Murder two, 20 to life.
796
00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:45,339
- I'll start drafting
the plea agreement.
797
00:39:45,383 --> 00:39:49,299
- I'll, um,
talk to Emily's brother,
798
00:39:49,343 --> 00:39:51,693
let him know the case is over.
799
00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:03,662
Lonnie?
800
00:40:03,705 --> 00:40:06,708
It's Nolan Price
from the DA's office.
801
00:40:08,623 --> 00:40:11,800
Hello, Lonnie?
802
00:40:23,377 --> 00:40:26,206
Oh, no. Lonnie?
803
00:40:26,249 --> 00:40:28,904
Lonnie.
804
00:40:28,948 --> 00:40:31,211
Lonnie? Lonnie?
805
00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:32,734
Lonnie? Oh, God.
806
00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:39,393
Yeah, I-I need an ambulance.
807
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,830
435 Warshaw, Queens.
Apartment 4B.
808
00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:44,572
He's overdosed.
I need help right away.
809
00:40:46,356 --> 00:40:49,882
Lonnie?
Lonnie, stay with me.
60684
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