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- [Tom] My brother
Harry wanted to be more
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than just a great
singer song writer.
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He wanted to change
the world and he did.
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♪ It was raining
hard in Frisco ♪
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♪ I needed one more
fare to make my night ♪
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- [Ken] Harry Chapin was one
of the greatest storytellers
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of all time.
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♪ She got in at the light ♪
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♪ Where you going
to my lady blue ♪
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- [Judy] Harry was
that rare combination
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of somebody with a
conscience and an ability
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to write a good song.
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♪ She said 16 Parkside Lane ♪
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- [Pete] Not many
song writers know how
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to tell a story the way he did.
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Not many singers know how
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to get a story across
the way he did.
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♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪
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♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪
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♪ When you're coming home dad ♪
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♪ I don't know when ♪
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- [Billy] When that
song first came out,
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a lot of people thought it
was a Harry Chapin song.
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It used to bother me, but
doesn't bother me anymore.
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Now I take it as a compliment.
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Because the truth is,
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Harry Chapin wrote
the best story songs.
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♪ My son turned ten
just the other day ♪
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♪ He said, thanks for the
ball, dad, come on let's play ♪
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- [Harry] I do about
220 concerts a year,
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about a hundred
which are benefits,
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about 60 of whom were
for World Hunger Year.
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I also do a bunch for the
Performing Arts Foundation.
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I also do about a half a
dozen a year for Ralph Nader.
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I've done a couple
so far this year
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for Citizens Action Fund.
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I also do things for
multiple sclerosis,
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muscular dystrophy, cancer
care, cystic fibrosis,
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and a couple of other things.
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If you get involved in things,
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you ended up by getting
involved in more things.
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- [Darryl] Harry made it
gangster to do something
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about things that need
something done for it.
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- [Bill] And that was Harry's
spirit indomitable spirit.
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He never gave up.
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- Steve Chapin.
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- [John] It was like he
knew that there was X amount
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of time left, because he
really did burn that candle,
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bright and fast.
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- [Harry] What's that
great line of Bob Dylan's?
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He is not busy being
born, he's busy dying.
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Luckily I'm one of these people.
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My credo was when in
doubt, do something.
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You're a little early, guys.
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Okay, big climax later
on, here's the story.
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♪ There you stand
in your dungarees ♪
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♪ Looking all grown up
and so very pleased ♪
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My mother always told
me it'd be like this.
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[girls giggling]
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- [Mark] To regard Harry as
merely a singer composer,
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which he was,
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is like considering babe
Ruth a pitcher, which he was.
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Both were that, but
far more than that.
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Harry quite simply was
the leading citizen artist
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of his generation.
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♪ And so you and I ♪
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♪ We watch our years go by ♪
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♪ We watch our
sweet dreams fly ♪
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♪ Far away, away,
but maybe someday ♪
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- Harry champion is an artist
who has been with us before
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with his guitar
and with his voice.
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- Please do it
for us, all right?
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- Love to.
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- Harry Chapin.
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- Once again, here
is Harry Chapin.
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[audience applauding]
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♪ It's a song for myself ♪
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♪ It's just a song for myself ♪
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- My mom had four boys
by the time she was 25
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with my dad, the jazz
drummer, Jim Chapin.
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The oldest with James, Butch
Chapin, and then Harry,
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and I was next, and
then brother Steve.
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But my mother and
dad divorced early.
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I was three, I think,
when they divorced
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because dad was a jazz
drummer and he was on the road
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and he loved drums and
he loved women. [laughs]
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It didn't work.
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♪ Keep your radio on, let's
have a big party W-I-N-S ♪
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♪ We can sing and have fun ♪
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We lived near here, West
11th Street, in the winters.
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♪ 1010 WINS New York ♪
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- [TV Commentator] As a fly
ball hit out to left field,
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Woodling getting under it.
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And the Yankees are champions!
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And look at Berra,
piggyback riding Kuzava.
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And then my stepfather
came in the family.
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He bought a brownstone
in Brooklyn for $16,000.
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- My mother Jean Elsbeth
Burke had six sons.
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Harry was number two
and I was number five.
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My mother had four
Chapins in two Harts.
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And she was an incredible woman
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who raised us all
basically as a single mom,
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because both of her husbands
were kind of not great choices.
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- We had the unfortunate,
or fortunate if you want,
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of having the storybook
evil stepfather.
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He was well meaning, but
unfortunately he couldn't handle
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four boys growing up
and it was a horror show
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of beatings and
all kinds of stuff.
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It just made us really tight.
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- [Jeb] We grew up in the school
yards and at Grace Church.
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Grace Church was crucial to us.
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It was really the foundation
of getting into music,
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of Harry, Tom, and Steve
getting into music.
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Big John Wallace, Bobby
Lamm, who we see in Chicago,
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was in the choir.
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- You know, going back to
the choir room and the piano,
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it really opened up a channel
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that I wouldn't
have otherwise had.
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- [Jeb] We kind of
grew up on our own
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out there in the world,
but the church and sports
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were the foundations
while my mom was trying
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to be a single mom and
work and have six boys
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that were all over the place.
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- Well, once we moved
to Brooklyn Heights,
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it was a school yard.
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The school and the school yard
were right next door to us.
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Our days were like literally
eight hours of handball,
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stickball,
ring-a-levio, stoop ball
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and anything with a
ball, any place, anyhow,
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it was just active,
active, active.
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- There's more family
history probably out here
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than anywhere else.
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- Because it's an older
place, that's why. [laughs]
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Well, this is every
summer, you know,
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we were kids and it was
like, yay, it's June.
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And we'd get here and then it's
barefoot, and it was tennis,
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it was the Lake.
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So this is my whole
life, every summer.
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- Andover was a kind of
ever-shifting feast of people.
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First of all, there was KB
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who was the presiding
patriarchal genius
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who appeared to me the most
brilliant man in America.
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- Harry never thought
about money growing up.
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He didn't have to.
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His family, while
not monetarily rich,
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they were rich in being
part of the intellectual
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give and take in the
country of being part
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of the American art history.
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And so Harry really never
had to think about money.
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♪ At first you seemed
just like my dream ♪
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♪ Of a finer better life ♪
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♪ Much more than
I could ask for ♪
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♪ In a lover or a wife ♪
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- [Harry] I was a
rich little poor boy.
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You've heard of the
poor little rich boys.
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People with a lot of money
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and very little
inspiration, very little.
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I came up with an
incredible family.
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No money, but I
never went hungry.
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But people who asked
the right questions,
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pushed and prodded you.
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- You had a mixture
of filmmakers.
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You have little Ricky,
who was making films.
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You have, Jim was bringing
out half of, you know,
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the Harlem left is coming out.
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It's just this constant
swirl of different kinds
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of people and experiences.
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All of them creative,
most of them on the left,
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one kind to another.
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- [Steve] Hey, if I were
Jewish then call it a mitzvah.
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For him to use his God
given gifts to do good.
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- [Sean] The thrust for us was
to find something in the arts
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that you spent your life doing.
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It wasn't about making a living.
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It wasn't about
making a lot of money.
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Wasn't even about
fame that so much,
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but it's something that
you've put into the world
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and put your life toward.
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- [Josh] There's a
kid out on my corner,
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hear him strumming like a fool.
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Shivering in his dungarees,
but still he's going to school.
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♪ There's a kid
out on my corner ♪
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♪ Hear him strumming
like a fool ♪
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♪ Shivering in his dungarees ♪
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♪ But still he's
going to school ♪
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- Harry was the can do.
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The family joke, which
I coined at one time
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and everybody loved,
was two's company,
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Harry's a crowd. [laughs]
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♪ Tzena, Tzena, Tzena, Tzena ♪
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♪ Can't you hear
the music playing ♪
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♪ In the city square ♪
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♪ Tzena, Tzena, Tzena, Tzena ♪
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♪ Come where all our
friends will find us ♪
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♪ With the dancers there ♪
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- My mother's sister had the
only Hi-Fi in the valley.
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Remember Hi-Fis?
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And she brought a recording
called The Weavers
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at Carnegie Hall and
played it for us.
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And that changed our world as
it did the world of this place
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and The Village,
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because they were
the inspiration for
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for the Kingston Trio,
for the Limeliters,
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the Tom Paxton on
down the line and,
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and the Chapin Brothers as well.
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We listen to that
recording all summer long.
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[banjo picking]
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If you invited one
Chapin brother,
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the three of us would
come with instruments.
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Steve first played
a 10-string ukulele
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and then moved on to the bass.
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And we became the
Chapin Brothers.
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♪ Sing along in chorus ♪
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- [Announcer] Tonight,
let's sing out
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with the students
of the University of
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Featuring Joanie Anderson.
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The Chapins.
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And now, Oscar Brown.
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That loud blast of assembles
and the bass you heard
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came from a drum, which
is new to our program.
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But is being handled by
the capable Mr. Chapin.
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Mr. Steve Chapin.
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- [Steve] Jim Chapin.
- Jim Chapin?
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- [Steve] I'm Steve.
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- You're Steve.
Well, who are you?
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- [Tom] Tom.
- That's Tom.
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Over there?
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- [Harry] Harry!
- Harry.
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And all together they're
the Chapin Family.
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- Their father is considered
one of the great drummers
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in America, and we're proud
to produce the whole family.
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So here are the Chapins.
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♪ I'm gonna walk all over
this wide, wide world ♪
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♪ See what there's to see ♪
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- Harry was the least
proficient musically,
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so it was kind of like everybody
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had their power
in different ways.
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♪ Well every man's
just skin and bones ♪
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♪ And a pair of itching feet ♪
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- Tom had a really high voice
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and could hit notes
that were unattainable
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and is an excellent
guitar player.
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Both of us, Tom
and I, could both
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really well sing in tune
and blend really well.
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- [Tom] Love the
idea of making music
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and and Harry started
writing for us as well.
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That's really sort of the
genesis of the Chapin Brothers
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and the connection
with folk music.
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- [Steve] Harry was
kind of like in charge
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and actually a lot of times
they would, they would,
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you know, other people behind
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would say you guys
got to do more.
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Three of us were playing with
our dad in the Village Gate.
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After the first set, dad comes
back to his boys and says,
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it's a little slow
out there tonight.
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Steve and Tom, I want
you guys to cheer up.
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Harry, cheer down.
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[audience applauding]
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- We were living in
Brooklyn Heights,
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not exactly the center of
the folk music universe.
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But was 15 minutes by
the A train to here.
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Tuesday night was hootenanny
night here at the Bitter End.
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And if you came in the afternoon
and you tried out for it,
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you might be able
to play that night.
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And we started doing that.
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- [Steve] Harry got this
film offer to go to Ethiopia,
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to do a documentary
about hunger in Ethiopia.
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And Harry was a
grownup, you know,
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he'd been working in the
documentary film world.
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In fact, one of his
documentary films
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was nominated for Academy Award,
"The Legendary Champions."
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♪ Way back when,
when men were men ♪
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♪ They always came
out fighting ♪
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- [Announcer] Tiny Tommy
Burns is soon getting home
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with his equalizer,
his booming right hand.
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Spires goes down.
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- Harry came back
six months later,
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and the boys who needed
the money to go to college
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had put together a new band.
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- Steve says, well,
you better tell him.
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So I sat there and said, Harry,
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we're kicking you
out of the band.
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What?
284
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- There was no way he
could walk back in.
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He wasn't a singer.
286
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We already had two
guitarists in the band.
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You know what I mean?
288
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At this time he didn't
bring anything to the table.
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- [Jeb] The Chapins had a
really cool rock and roll band.
290
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And when Harry came back,
he was no longer part of it.
291
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I understood that.
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Cause it was, in terms of like
musical judgment and judging,
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it was the right decision.
294
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- [Harry] I mean, I
come from a family
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of absolutely brilliant people.
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I've got some
brothers, as you know,
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I think are more naturally
talented than I am at music.
298
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But the only thing
different between them and I
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is I'm a little bit more
bullheaded and go out
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and bang my head
against the the castles.
301
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And they they've taken a little
bit more cooled out route.
302
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- We rented the Village
Gate for $400 a week.
303
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And our opening act was,
the first week was Harry,
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by himself.
305
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And he's singing these
long story songs.
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It was raining hard in
Frisco, and it was dead.
307
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He didn't know how
to perform yet.
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And the songs just lay there.
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And he did four nights,
four very hard nights
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opening for us, and we
were pretty good band.
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So instead of being
crushed by this, he says,
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hmm, I need a band.
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He calls up John Wallace,
who'd been a choir boy with us,
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to play bass, found a
guitar player, Ron Palmer,
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wonderful finger
style guitar player.
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Put an ad in the Village
Voice for a cello player,
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and got Tim Scott.
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And they started rehearsing
and inventing these songs.
319
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- He said, listen, I
don't have any money.
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He said that the most important
thing to me is loyalty.
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He said if stay with me, we're
all going to be partners.
322
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It was a handshake deal.
323
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And it was kept not only by
Harry, but by the family.
324
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He knew what he wanted.
325
00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:41,706
- It would be nice, the ninth.
326
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There's ninth and
the major seven.
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♪ Ba-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da
Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Da ♪
328
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I wonder if you should
hit the 4th up there.
329
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♪ Ba-Da-Da-Da ♪
330
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- Harry's songs started getting
a little more adventuresome
331
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and a little more
story-oriented,
332
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a little more
personally oriented.
333
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- He was ambitious.
334
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He really wanted to matter.
335
00:15:10,039 --> 00:15:12,302
- What I saw was
not what I expected.
336
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I lost it in the first number.
337
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I mean, I could tell
what was going on.
338
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This was a very well
integrated band, vocally.
339
00:15:19,396 --> 00:15:21,659
The instruments were wonderful,
340
00:15:21,833 --> 00:15:26,012
but I thought featuring the
sincerity of the cello was magic
341
00:15:26,186 --> 00:15:27,970
because I had tried to
talk artists to doing that
342
00:15:28,144 --> 00:15:31,713
in the past myself
and had not succeeded.
343
00:15:31,887 --> 00:15:34,629
They were comfortable with
the instruments they had.
344
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And I was looking for
something that would give
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even folk music an underpinning.
346
00:15:40,548 --> 00:15:42,071
- There's something
about a cello anyway,
347
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that plays in minor keys.
348
00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,728
And it was magical
with his music
349
00:15:46,902 --> 00:15:48,730
because it was so appropriate,
350
00:15:48,904 --> 00:15:52,647
because so much was visually
dramatic and emotional and sad.
351
00:15:52,821 --> 00:15:54,779
You know, so there's
nothing sadder
352
00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:57,043
than somebody sitting
next to you playing
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just beautiful string
lines on the cello.
354
00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,530
- There was a couple of
quirky things that Harry did
355
00:16:06,704 --> 00:16:08,489
that made him stand
apart from other people.
356
00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:12,362
Also the guy who was
singing falsetto.
357
00:16:12,536 --> 00:16:14,147
The guy's in the back row
with a real high voice.
358
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Like an opera singer, almost.
359
00:16:16,323 --> 00:16:18,107
That was different too.
360
00:16:21,676 --> 00:16:23,895
- [Robert] I was really kind
of shocked to see John Wallace
361
00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:26,594
be part of the whole thing.
362
00:16:26,768 --> 00:16:29,945
John always had a great
voice, great falsetto,
363
00:16:30,119 --> 00:16:33,949
and he always fooled
around with his range,
364
00:16:34,123 --> 00:16:36,996
singing low notes,
singing high notes.
365
00:16:42,088 --> 00:16:44,960
- [Billy] And then Harry was,
you know, telling his story.
366
00:16:45,134 --> 00:16:46,527
It made him stand out.
367
00:16:46,701 --> 00:16:49,704
- Listen to the story
about Mr. Tanner.
368
00:16:59,627 --> 00:17:03,892
- I always thought of
him as a troubadour.
369
00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:08,462
♪ Mister Tanner was a cleaner
from a town in the Midwest ♪
370
00:17:08,636 --> 00:17:11,073
♪ And of all the
cleaning shops around ♪
371
00:17:11,247 --> 00:17:12,814
♪ He'd made his the best ♪
372
00:17:12,988 --> 00:17:17,123
This is a person who,
you know, I don't know,
373
00:17:17,297 --> 00:17:22,041
I mean, listen, he sang great,
it was a charm that he had,
374
00:17:22,650 --> 00:17:26,001
but I think his real gift
was the storytelling.
375
00:17:26,175 --> 00:17:27,785
♪ His friends and neighbors
praised the voice ♪
376
00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:29,787
♪ That poured out
from his throat ♪
377
00:17:29,961 --> 00:17:32,312
♪ They said that he
should use his gift ♪
378
00:17:32,486 --> 00:17:35,489
♪ Instead of cleaning coats ♪
379
00:17:35,663 --> 00:17:37,882
- And so that, right
in front of him,
380
00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:39,754
was this possibility of
being a singer song writer.
381
00:17:39,928 --> 00:17:44,367
And two weeks later, he comes
back and it's a revelation.
382
00:17:47,153 --> 00:17:51,505
- [Jac] He wrapped his songs
around the people who listened.
383
00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:56,118
♪ And the good old days,
they say they're gone ♪
384
00:17:58,555 --> 00:17:59,600
- It was pretty thrilling.
385
00:17:59,774 --> 00:18:02,385
He's right in the
middle of that triangle
386
00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,953
and hearing this
stuff, you know.
387
00:18:05,127 --> 00:18:06,650
You knew there was
something to it.
388
00:18:06,824 --> 00:18:07,521
- Sort of part and parcel
of watching him do this
389
00:18:07,695 --> 00:18:10,741
and helping as much as we can.
390
00:18:10,915 --> 00:18:15,616
And being a little bit
astonished, but not shocked.
391
00:18:15,790 --> 00:18:18,749
♪ Could you put your
light on please ♪
392
00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:22,536
By the end of the summer,
they got a great review
393
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:24,799
in the New York times.
394
00:18:24,973 --> 00:18:26,801
And people were
coming to see Harry
395
00:18:26,975 --> 00:18:28,237
at the end of the summer.
396
00:18:28,411 --> 00:18:32,589
- When he was first
acknowledged at The Village Gate
397
00:18:32,763 --> 00:18:35,462
and the record company
people started coming down
398
00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:37,507
and he'd called the
different companies
399
00:18:37,681 --> 00:18:38,987
and talked to one
of the secretaries
400
00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:40,641
and say he was somebody else
401
00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:44,514
and then do a pitch for
Harry Chapin. [chuckles]
402
00:18:44,688 --> 00:18:47,169
Always out in front, you
know, always moving forward.
403
00:18:47,343 --> 00:18:49,824
Yeah, his motto was
onwards and upwards.
404
00:18:49,998 --> 00:18:52,653
- And that was the fall that
Clive Davis and Jac Holzman
405
00:18:52,827 --> 00:18:54,872
at Elektra Records and
Clive Davis at Columbia
406
00:18:55,046 --> 00:18:57,658
had a bidding war to get Harry.
407
00:18:57,832 --> 00:18:59,616
- [Harry] The bidding war
thing started, which I mean,
408
00:18:59,790 --> 00:19:02,402
it's not a time I
would like to relive,
409
00:19:02,576 --> 00:19:04,143
but it made us a lot of money.
410
00:19:04,317 --> 00:19:07,755
- Clive and I had gone toe
to toe on other artists.
411
00:19:07,929 --> 00:19:11,019
Delaney and Bonnie, he had
tried to take Judy Collins away.
412
00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:13,891
We were used to scrapping
with each other.
413
00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:15,980
- As his brother, it was
really exciting to watch
414
00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:17,504
this whole thing happen.
415
00:19:17,678 --> 00:19:18,896
- That's when the
trigger went off,
416
00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:20,550
this is the band
I can work with.
417
00:19:20,724 --> 00:19:22,857
♪ And maybe now
some lead guitar ♪
418
00:19:23,031 --> 00:19:25,381
♪ So it would not
sound so thin ♪
419
00:19:25,555 --> 00:19:27,427
♪ I need some drums to set ♪
420
00:19:27,601 --> 00:19:28,776
We made an offer.
421
00:19:30,081 --> 00:19:31,648
Atlantic made an offer.
422
00:19:31,822 --> 00:19:33,607
Clive made an offer.
423
00:19:33,781 --> 00:19:36,131
The numbers were
going back and forth.
424
00:19:36,305 --> 00:19:37,828
♪ I need all the
help I can get ♪
425
00:19:38,002 --> 00:19:40,048
♪ And we would play together ♪
426
00:19:40,222 --> 00:19:42,833
♪ Like fine musicians should ♪
427
00:19:43,007 --> 00:19:45,227
♪ And it would
sound like music ♪
428
00:19:45,401 --> 00:19:48,578
♪ And the music
would sound good ♪
429
00:19:48,752 --> 00:19:50,754
♪ But in real life
I'm stuck with ♪
430
00:19:50,928 --> 00:19:53,757
The band had come to my
house up in the country
431
00:19:53,931 --> 00:19:55,977
because I liked to
prerecord my records.
432
00:19:56,151 --> 00:19:57,892
I couldn't find Harry.
433
00:19:58,066 --> 00:19:59,633
Nobody could get ahold of them.
434
00:19:59,807 --> 00:20:01,678
Finally, I got a
call back from Harry.
435
00:20:01,852 --> 00:20:03,767
I said, well, I'm on
my way to California,
436
00:20:03,941 --> 00:20:06,640
then I said, we'll meet
you at the airport.
437
00:20:06,814 --> 00:20:10,687
So he met us and he said,
we're gonna go with Columbia.
438
00:20:10,861 --> 00:20:14,474
I was pissed off
because I thought we
439
00:20:14,648 --> 00:20:17,041
had shaken hands on the deal.
440
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:18,608
Stayed the week in California,
441
00:20:18,782 --> 00:20:21,568
I found out that the
Colombia numbers were,
442
00:20:21,742 --> 00:20:23,396
shall we say, less
than accurate,
443
00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:26,442
because I got the real numbers.
444
00:20:26,616 --> 00:20:28,227
But I never used them.
445
00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:32,056
Banged on the door at six
o'clock in the morning,
446
00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:37,192
they knew I was coming and
said, I'm not leaving here.
447
00:20:37,366 --> 00:20:38,846
Get a couch or something,
448
00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:42,241
I'm not leaving here
until we have a deal.
449
00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:54,427
- Harry had his, sort
of had the act together
450
00:20:54,601 --> 00:20:55,732
in its own way.
451
00:20:55,906 --> 00:20:57,821
They had this, it started
off with this trick
452
00:20:57,995 --> 00:21:02,043
with the lights and Taxi
was more than just a song.
453
00:21:02,217 --> 00:21:05,220
- In 72 I remember hearing
the taxi on the radio
454
00:21:05,394 --> 00:21:07,875
and then thinking, this
is something different.
455
00:21:08,049 --> 00:21:09,616
This is a folk song.
456
00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:10,921
Who is this guy?
457
00:21:11,095 --> 00:21:13,924
- Taxi's about 60% true.
458
00:21:14,098 --> 00:21:17,798
And so I use realities I
know about to set me going.
459
00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:21,671
And then I try to make
the song true to itself.
460
00:21:23,934 --> 00:21:26,807
♪ There was not much more
for us to talk about ♪
461
00:21:26,981 --> 00:21:30,811
♪ Whatever we had
once was gone ♪
462
00:21:30,985 --> 00:21:34,075
♪ So I turned my cab
into the driveway ♪
463
00:21:34,249 --> 00:21:35,685
♪ Past the gate and the
fine trimmed lawns ♪
464
00:21:35,859 --> 00:21:37,078
The songs have to mean
something to somebody
465
00:21:37,252 --> 00:21:40,429
if they're going to buy
them or keep playing.
466
00:21:40,603 --> 00:21:41,561
- [Bill] And Yours do.
467
00:21:41,735 --> 00:21:43,389
See, I think that
that can be the trap
468
00:21:43,563 --> 00:21:46,305
that years mean an awful
lot to a lot of people.
469
00:21:46,479 --> 00:21:50,613
- The writing there was so smart
and simple at the same time
470
00:21:50,787 --> 00:21:52,354
that I thought this was special.
471
00:21:52,528 --> 00:21:55,575
♪ Harry, keep the change ♪
472
00:21:57,098 --> 00:21:58,447
- Great song.
473
00:21:58,621 --> 00:22:01,711
She said, let's get together,
474
00:22:01,885 --> 00:22:03,931
but I knew it'd
never be arranged,
475
00:22:04,105 --> 00:22:07,326
And she handed me twenty
dollars for a two fifty fare,
476
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,806
she said Harry, keep the change.
477
00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:12,766
And that's such a cool line
478
00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:15,551
that the hair
stands up on my arm.
479
00:22:15,725 --> 00:22:17,553
Well, another man
might've been angry,
480
00:22:17,727 --> 00:22:19,033
another man might
have been hurt,
481
00:22:19,207 --> 00:22:21,078
but another man would never
would have let her go,
482
00:22:21,252 --> 00:22:23,472
I stuffed the bill on my shirt.
483
00:22:23,646 --> 00:22:26,388
I mean, that's, you
know, real life.
484
00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:28,085
That's really what happened.
485
00:22:28,259 --> 00:22:30,914
Whether it did or not, in
my mind, that happened.
486
00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:32,612
I could picture the whole thing.
487
00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:34,353
And the guy at the
end getting stoned,
488
00:22:34,527 --> 00:22:37,007
and I fly so high
when I'm stoned.
489
00:22:37,181 --> 00:22:39,314
You didn't hear that on the
radio, that was pretty risque.
490
00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:42,056
- We didn't start on AM radio.
491
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,145
We started on FM radio,
which I knew was going
492
00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:45,625
to be more friendly to him.
493
00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,801
And Harry went to
all the key stations
494
00:22:47,975 --> 00:22:50,107
and he told wonderful stories.
495
00:22:50,281 --> 00:22:54,764
And his personality, even if
you weren't seeing him live,
496
00:22:54,938 --> 00:22:57,419
you could hear it
through the interview.
497
00:22:57,593 --> 00:23:00,335
He was always there,
no matter what he did,
498
00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:02,076
whether he was doing
it for a charity
499
00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:07,255
or in the studio for himself,
he was 100% all the time.
500
00:23:07,429 --> 00:23:10,127
- [Billy] We were playing
in the Kiel Opera House
501
00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:11,041
in St. Louis.
502
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:15,916
And I was opening
up for Harry Chapin.
503
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:19,354
♪ It's nine o'clock
on Saturday ♪
504
00:23:19,528 --> 00:23:22,313
♪ The regular
crowd shuffles in ♪
505
00:23:22,488 --> 00:23:23,967
We got a great reception
from his audience.
506
00:23:24,141 --> 00:23:26,883
I didn't know how we're
gonna go over with his crowd.
507
00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:30,234
But they were very receptive,
very warm audience.
508
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:33,150
And he even talked
about me to the audience
509
00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:34,413
in his own show.
510
00:23:35,675 --> 00:23:37,633
He was the headliner,
but he said something,
511
00:23:37,807 --> 00:23:39,330
how about that, Billy Joel?
512
00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:40,593
And I thought that
was really nice.
513
00:23:40,767 --> 00:23:41,811
He didn't have to do that.
514
00:23:41,985 --> 00:23:45,162
But he plugged me
to his own audience.
515
00:23:45,336 --> 00:23:47,338
And I never forgot that.
516
00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:50,864
I thought that was a very
gentlemanly thing to do.
517
00:23:51,038 --> 00:23:53,736
Especially in the music business
where it's all dog-eat-dog
518
00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:56,957
and claws are out in
the music business.
519
00:23:58,349 --> 00:24:03,311
♪ Ah, he was the sun
burning bright and brittle ♪
520
00:24:03,485 --> 00:24:08,185
♪ And she was the moon shining
back his light a little ♪
521
00:24:09,143 --> 00:24:11,275
♪ He was a shooting star ♪
522
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:14,017
- I went out to Long
Island to play a club,
523
00:24:14,191 --> 00:24:16,542
just not even a club, like
a pub, it was like bar
524
00:24:16,716 --> 00:24:19,327
and Harry was in the bar.
525
00:24:19,501 --> 00:24:21,895
He wasn't drinking, he
was drinking a club soda.
526
00:24:22,069 --> 00:24:24,985
My favorite recollection of
him, this stays with me always,
527
00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:27,030
that he looked like he just
literally rolled out of bed.
528
00:24:27,204 --> 00:24:28,815
His hair was all over the place.
529
00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:30,512
He had like some wrinkled
t-shirts and jeans
530
00:24:30,686 --> 00:24:32,993
that were hanging so loose.
531
00:24:33,167 --> 00:24:35,169
And he was just sitting
there, talking to a guy.
532
00:24:35,343 --> 00:24:38,215
And when I started this,
when I was singing,
533
00:24:38,389 --> 00:24:41,305
he came over and he said,
"Hey," he goes like,
534
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,176
"What's your name, and
what are you doing?"
535
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:43,917
And all this stuff.
536
00:24:44,091 --> 00:24:47,442
And I told him, and that's
when he told me, he goes,
537
00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,010
"Well, you know, I'm doing
this thing down the street."
538
00:24:50,184 --> 00:24:53,143
He goes, "You should come
and audition for this
539
00:24:53,317 --> 00:24:55,755
"because I think that you
would be great for this.
540
00:24:55,929 --> 00:24:57,060
"It'd be fun for you."
541
00:24:57,234 --> 00:25:00,324
And, I was, "Okay." [laughs]
542
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:01,848
You know what I mean?
543
00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:04,067
Like, this is Harry Chapin,
no problem, I'm coming.
544
00:25:04,241 --> 00:25:06,417
♪ Shining back his
light a little ♪
545
00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:09,159
♪ He was a shooting star ♪
546
00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:11,248
He was very selfless.
547
00:25:11,422 --> 00:25:14,077
You know, this was genuine,
this was authentic.
548
00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:16,340
And so everything that
anybody ever reads about him
549
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,126
or hears about him,
the stories are true.
550
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:20,257
It's true.
551
00:25:20,431 --> 00:25:21,998
You know, he was
just, he was a dude.
552
00:25:22,172 --> 00:25:24,174
I mean, the best part,
the rest of that story
553
00:25:24,348 --> 00:25:26,307
is that he didn't
have any money.
554
00:25:26,481 --> 00:25:27,700
He was going in every pocket.
555
00:25:27,874 --> 00:25:29,832
I was like, watching
him do this.
556
00:25:30,006 --> 00:25:33,488
And I said to him,
do you need money?
557
00:25:33,662 --> 00:25:35,664
Which was just like
absolutely ridiculous.
558
00:25:35,838 --> 00:25:36,970
You know what I mean? [laughing]
559
00:25:37,144 --> 00:25:38,188
I said, "Do you need any money?"
560
00:25:38,362 --> 00:25:39,668
And he goes, "I don't
have any money."
561
00:25:39,842 --> 00:25:43,498
So I gave him $5 to pay for
the, whatever, club soda,
562
00:25:43,672 --> 00:25:46,109
water, I don't know
what he's drinking,
563
00:25:46,283 --> 00:25:47,371
it was clear and it wasn't
alcohol, I know that.
564
00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:48,851
But whether it was a
7Up, whatever, you know,
565
00:25:49,025 --> 00:25:50,026
but I gave him five bucks.
566
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,593
He had no money on him.
567
00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:55,466
And he was just, you know,
kinda like Colombo. [laughs]
568
00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:58,818
Kind of like the musical
version of Colombo.
569
00:25:58,992 --> 00:26:01,385
- First album, we
were at Fillmore East
570
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,128
and Harry showed up in the
wings and he was very sweet.
571
00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:07,000
You know, it was great
surprise to see him.
572
00:26:07,174 --> 00:26:08,958
He was very enthusiastic.
573
00:26:10,481 --> 00:26:12,440
The thing about Harry was
574
00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:17,358
that he's probably the most
charming kid you'd ever know.
575
00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:19,099
- I was just like
little, you know,
576
00:26:19,273 --> 00:26:20,622
a girl just singing in a bar.
577
00:26:20,796 --> 00:26:23,494
But he treated me with
such respect and dignity.
578
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:26,454
And I didn't forget that ever.
579
00:26:26,628 --> 00:26:30,284
- With '70s rock radio,
especially the storytellers,
580
00:26:30,458 --> 00:26:33,200
Jim Croce, Bob
Dylan, Joni Mitchell.
581
00:26:33,374 --> 00:26:38,335
But it was this one song
called "Cat's in the Cradle,"
582
00:26:38,509 --> 00:26:41,251
that I don't relate
to, 'cause I'm a kid.
583
00:26:41,425 --> 00:26:43,689
So it was a nursery rhyme,
584
00:26:43,863 --> 00:26:46,213
but it was just the
sound of the record.
585
00:26:46,387 --> 00:26:47,344
You know what I'm saying?
586
00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:49,608
That was so captivating.
587
00:26:49,782 --> 00:26:51,435
- The most original and
talented young songwriter
588
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:54,134
and performer, was
nominated for a Grammy Award
589
00:26:54,308 --> 00:26:56,527
as the Best New Artist of 1972.
590
00:26:56,702 --> 00:26:59,269
Would you please
welcome, Harry Chapin.
591
00:26:59,443 --> 00:27:00,706
[audience clapping]
592
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,099
♪ I'm talking about love ♪
593
00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:05,362
♪ Well she asked me,
what is it good for ♪
594
00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:09,149
♪ She asked me,
what could it do ♪
595
00:27:09,323 --> 00:27:11,760
♪ She asked me what
does it feel like ♪
596
00:27:11,934 --> 00:27:15,111
♪ And I told her
all that I knew ♪
597
00:27:15,285 --> 00:27:16,722
♪ I'm talkin' 'bout love ♪
598
00:27:16,896 --> 00:27:19,289
♪ Love can't solve any problem ♪
599
00:27:19,463 --> 00:27:22,336
♪ I'd be wrong if I
said that it could ♪
600
00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:23,685
♪ I was talkin' 'bout love ♪
601
00:27:23,859 --> 00:27:26,166
♪ Love can't save anybody ♪
602
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:28,516
♪ It just makes your
body feel good ♪
603
00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:30,649
- [Harry] Two, three, four.
604
00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:34,043
♪ She was down at the
land just delighted ♪
605
00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:37,264
♪ She was so something
jumping for joy ♪
606
00:27:37,438 --> 00:27:40,528
♪ She was laughing
crazy excited ♪
607
00:27:40,702 --> 00:27:43,531
♪ Like a baby with
a brand new toy ♪
608
00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:46,186
♪ I'm talkin' 'bout love ♪
609
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:47,753
- [Josh] It's you girl,
610
00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:50,494
you've put Rose colored
glasses on my eyes
611
00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,149
and made the world a game.
612
00:27:53,323 --> 00:27:57,327
And everything I thought I
knew, will never be the same.
613
00:27:57,501 --> 00:28:00,330
- This is a song about
how I met my wife.
614
00:28:00,504 --> 00:28:02,811
I was giving guitar
lessons back in the days
615
00:28:02,985 --> 00:28:04,378
where I used that
as a social means
616
00:28:04,552 --> 00:28:06,162
to get girls into my room.
617
00:28:06,336 --> 00:28:08,599
And this one turned out
a little more serious
618
00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:10,514
than I thought it would.
619
00:28:12,821 --> 00:28:14,780
- [Sandy] Out of the blue,
actually, he called up
620
00:28:14,954 --> 00:28:18,958
and he said, "I hear you
wanna take guitar lessons."
621
00:28:21,264 --> 00:28:22,483
♪ I come fresh from the street ♪
622
00:28:22,657 --> 00:28:26,661
♪ Fast on my feet,
kinda lean and lazy ♪
623
00:28:26,835 --> 00:28:28,576
- [Harry] My wife had three
kids when I've met her
624
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:32,449
and we've had two sons
by the normal methods.
625
00:28:32,623 --> 00:28:34,713
- They would share poems
when they first met.
626
00:28:34,887 --> 00:28:36,627
It was supposedly
for guitar lessons,
627
00:28:36,802 --> 00:28:39,108
but I think it moved to
other things over the years.
628
00:28:39,282 --> 00:28:41,720
♪ And for each full-hour
lesson I gave ♪
629
00:28:41,894 --> 00:28:44,505
♪ I got a crisp
ten dollar bill ♪
630
00:28:44,679 --> 00:28:46,681
- Sometimes he called
and said he was busy.
631
00:28:46,855 --> 00:28:51,338
Sometimes he just didn't
show up and sometimes he did.
632
00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:55,429
♪ She said she wanted to
learn to play the guitar ♪
633
00:28:55,603 --> 00:28:58,171
♪ And to hear her
children sing ♪
634
00:28:58,345 --> 00:28:59,476
We had a hot date.
635
00:28:59,650 --> 00:29:04,481
We went to Flame Steaks,
for $1.99. [laughs]
636
00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:08,703
- And he became on the scene
more and more over time.
637
00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:11,750
It was a slow process
of liking Harry.
638
00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:15,666
It took me a while
to warm up to him.
639
00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:17,668
And I can remember the first
time when I finally was,
640
00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:21,194
ah, you know, this
person is in my life.
641
00:29:21,368 --> 00:29:24,458
He had this energy of a
very, very young person.
642
00:29:24,632 --> 00:29:26,503
So for us, it was like just
having another fun person
643
00:29:26,677 --> 00:29:28,549
around the house.
644
00:29:28,723 --> 00:29:30,638
♪ I want to learn a love song ♪
645
00:29:30,812 --> 00:29:32,466
♪ I want to hear you play ♪
646
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,775
♪ She said, I want to learn a
love song before you go away ♪
647
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,605
- She made her wedding gown
and it had one of those,
648
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,259
I guess it was a
Mandarin collar.
649
00:29:43,433 --> 00:29:46,393
She, in seed pearls,
sewed I love Harry
650
00:29:47,655 --> 00:29:50,310
across the collar of
her wedding dress.
651
00:29:50,484 --> 00:29:54,880
♪ Sandy is the seashore
and Sandy is the sea ♪
652
00:29:59,145 --> 00:30:00,450
- They were a wonderful couple
653
00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:03,453
in that they were kind of
yin and yang to each other.
654
00:30:03,627 --> 00:30:06,892
That he had the energy and
he needed the attention,
655
00:30:07,066 --> 00:30:09,590
and he loved to be out in front.
656
00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:11,331
And mom was the idea person.
657
00:30:11,505 --> 00:30:13,855
She was really the
thinker and the one
658
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:15,901
that would come
up with the ideas
659
00:30:16,075 --> 00:30:18,207
and throw some stuff out there.
660
00:30:18,381 --> 00:30:21,297
And then Harry would take that,
grab it, and move with it.
661
00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:25,127
- Sandy, well, her
influence on the music
662
00:30:25,301 --> 00:30:29,218
and on world hunger,
she was 100% supportive.
663
00:30:31,525 --> 00:30:34,484
Probably more than supportive,
she was encouraging.
664
00:30:34,658 --> 00:30:35,703
What a pair.
665
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,274
- In terms of my wife, she's
getting a PhD in education
666
00:30:41,448 --> 00:30:43,406
at Columbia, got her
master's at Harvard
667
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:46,105
and has the ability, I seem
to go from tree to tree
668
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,020
and she sees the forest.
669
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:55,331
A recording of his own
song, "Cat's in the Cradle,"
670
00:30:55,505 --> 00:30:57,638
sold over 1 million
copies as a single.
671
00:30:57,812 --> 00:30:59,118
- This is, as I said,
a song that Harry
672
00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:02,338
and his wife Sandy
collaborated on.
673
00:31:02,512 --> 00:31:04,732
- "Cat's in the Cradle," was
a poem that my mom wrote,
674
00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:06,734
showed it to Harry as kind of,
675
00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:08,301
this is a lesson to be learned,
676
00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:09,824
and then he turned it into song.
677
00:31:09,998 --> 00:31:10,956
And they did that a lot.
678
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:12,827
They shared things
back and forth.
679
00:31:13,001 --> 00:31:15,917
- The first time we heard
"Cat's in the Cradle,"
680
00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:17,266
I remember that time.
- Yeah.
681
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,529
- Yeah, we were in
the dressing room,
682
00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:21,967
he pulls up this wooden
chair, sticks his foot on it.
683
00:31:22,141 --> 00:31:24,534
You know, "I got this song guys,
684
00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:26,275
"I think it's gonna be a hit."
685
00:31:26,449 --> 00:31:27,929
He started playing it,
and it was like, Whoa.
686
00:31:28,103 --> 00:31:31,280
Everybody kind of said,
yeah, that's, that's nice.
687
00:31:31,454 --> 00:31:34,414
That's, you know, something
could happen with this.
688
00:31:34,588 --> 00:31:37,678
It was sort of number
one there for a while.
689
00:31:37,852 --> 00:31:39,767
- I have some people
around me that not only
690
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:42,596
will give me criticism, but
come up with very strong ideas.
691
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:45,294
And the most one is, the
most important one in my life
692
00:31:45,468 --> 00:31:48,341
is my wife who really came
up with the basic concept
693
00:31:48,515 --> 00:31:51,213
and many of the key
lines of this song.
694
00:31:51,387 --> 00:31:53,650
As Stravinsky once said,
great artists steal,
695
00:31:53,824 --> 00:31:55,000
bad artists borrow.
696
00:31:55,174 --> 00:31:56,566
I'm desperately trying
to be great artist
697
00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:58,699
so I stole this from my wife.
698
00:31:58,873 --> 00:32:00,092
It's called "Cats
in the Cradle,"
699
00:32:00,266 --> 00:32:01,702
and it's about my boy, Josh.
700
00:32:01,876 --> 00:32:04,835
- Yeah, He had a whole shtick
in concert where he would,
701
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:09,405
he would say it was about me
and lie about its origins.
702
00:32:09,579 --> 00:32:12,887
- And frankly, the song
scares me to death.
703
00:32:15,585 --> 00:32:19,981
- [Sandy] We don't know
life's lessons until too late.
704
00:32:20,155 --> 00:32:22,505
♪ My child arrived
just the other day. ♪
705
00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:24,812
- [Josh] It became
about, about all of us,
706
00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:26,118
I guess, in a way.
707
00:32:26,292 --> 00:32:27,684
- This is the tree
house that Harry built,
708
00:32:27,858 --> 00:32:30,644
and the address of our tree
house was 5J Locust Lane,
709
00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:32,341
hence the five Js.
710
00:32:32,515 --> 00:32:33,908
♪ And he was talking before
I knew it, and as he grew ♪
711
00:32:34,082 --> 00:32:37,042
♪ He'd say I'm gonna
be like you dad ♪
712
00:32:37,216 --> 00:32:41,785
♪ You know I'm
gonna be like you ♪
713
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,788
♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪
714
00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:47,704
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪
715
00:32:47,878 --> 00:32:49,576
♪ When you coming home, dad ♪
716
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:51,012
♪ I don't know when ♪
717
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:53,319
♪ But we'll get together then ♪
718
00:32:53,493 --> 00:32:54,842
- [Josh] He tried very
hard to be at home
719
00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:56,191
as much as he could,
720
00:32:56,365 --> 00:32:59,499
but he also was on the
road a tremendous amount.
721
00:32:59,673 --> 00:33:01,892
- Lusted to take advantage
of whatever opportunities
722
00:33:02,067 --> 00:33:03,546
were out there and
to make the most
723
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,461
of every opportunity he got.
724
00:33:05,635 --> 00:33:08,551
♪ Well my son turned
ten just the other day ♪
725
00:33:08,725 --> 00:33:11,772
♪ Said, thanks for the ball,
dad, come on let's play ♪
726
00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,340
- My dad was a fantastic dad.
727
00:33:14,514 --> 00:33:16,037
He was an action dad.
728
00:33:18,170 --> 00:33:20,781
♪ And he walked away, but
his smile never dimmed ♪
729
00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:24,002
♪ And said, I'm gonna
be like him, yeah ♪
730
00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:27,744
♪ You know I'm
gonna be like him ♪
731
00:33:27,918 --> 00:33:31,879
- So many instances of the
way that he touched people,
732
00:33:33,185 --> 00:33:36,275
we hear in all sorts of
stories that come back.
733
00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:37,102
♪ When you coming home, dad ♪
734
00:33:37,276 --> 00:33:38,451
♪ I don't know when ♪
735
00:33:38,625 --> 00:33:41,454
♪ But we'll get
together then, son ♪
736
00:33:41,628 --> 00:33:42,890
- And he would come
home and say, okay,
737
00:33:43,064 --> 00:33:45,893
we're going to do this
and you're gonna enjoy it
738
00:33:46,067 --> 00:33:47,634
and you're gonna
thank me for it.
739
00:33:47,808 --> 00:33:49,418
He was like the ringleader.
740
00:33:49,592 --> 00:33:51,812
♪ Well, he came from
college just the other day ♪
741
00:33:51,986 --> 00:33:53,509
- [Harry] I become a category.
742
00:33:53,683 --> 00:33:55,816
I mean, when they
say a Chapin song,
743
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:57,644
people know what
you're talking about.
744
00:33:57,818 --> 00:33:59,385
- You really weren't cat's in
the cradle-ing me back there?
745
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:00,386
- Of course not.
746
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,127
♪ And he said with a smile ♪
747
00:34:02,301 --> 00:34:04,651
♪ What I'd really like, dad,
is to borrow the car keys ♪
748
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:08,481
♪ See you later, can
I have them please ♪
749
00:34:08,655 --> 00:34:11,440
♪ Well the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪
750
00:34:11,614 --> 00:34:14,574
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪
751
00:34:14,748 --> 00:34:16,271
♪ When you coming home, dad ♪
752
00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:17,664
♪ I don't know when ♪
753
00:34:17,838 --> 00:34:20,797
♪ But we'll get together then ♪
754
00:34:20,971 --> 00:34:24,540
♪ You know we'll have
a good time then ♪
755
00:34:24,714 --> 00:34:26,107
- I should have golfed
with you sooner, dad.
756
00:34:26,281 --> 00:34:27,630
- I've never made the time.
757
00:34:27,804 --> 00:34:28,370
- Luke!
758
00:34:29,632 --> 00:34:31,112
- I need to call my son.
759
00:34:31,286 --> 00:34:32,592
- Where do you go home to?
760
00:34:32,766 --> 00:34:34,811
Where do you go
and rest retreat?
761
00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:38,598
- Well, I go home to my
home, my wife and five kids.
762
00:34:38,772 --> 00:34:41,949
I also go home to motel
rooms, my writing pad.
763
00:34:42,123 --> 00:34:45,953
I also go home to airplanes
and I also go home
764
00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:49,261
to rent-a-cars, and I also
go home to Washington,
765
00:34:49,435 --> 00:34:51,001
World Hunger Year.
766
00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:54,004
♪ But it's sure nice
talking to you, dad ♪
767
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:57,834
♪ It's been sure
nice talking to you ♪
768
00:34:58,008 --> 00:35:00,881
- She's 22, she's gonna go
off, do whatever she does.
769
00:35:01,055 --> 00:35:04,014
And then you see her at
holidays for a few hours here.
770
00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:07,192
Maybe you steal a
Saturday once in a while.
771
00:35:07,366 --> 00:35:11,196
Reminded me of the Harry Chapin
song, "Cat's in the Cradle,"
772
00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:14,764
which was a great old song
from a great, great man.
773
00:35:14,938 --> 00:35:16,505
Great New Yorker too.
774
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:17,767
- Hey, what's "Cat's
in the Cradle?"
775
00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:20,770
That a song from the
'70s, you've heard it.
776
00:35:20,944 --> 00:35:22,859
♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪
777
00:35:23,033 --> 00:35:25,775
[audience laughing]
778
00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:29,127
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪
779
00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:31,868
- Why don't you just play your
"Cat's in the Cradle," video?
780
00:35:32,042 --> 00:35:34,523
- Oh, hey, son of a
bitch, I love that song.
781
00:35:34,697 --> 00:35:35,655
That's got that
nice message in it.
782
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:36,569
- [Man] How are we doing?
783
00:35:36,743 --> 00:35:38,005
- Cat's in the Cradle.
784
00:35:38,179 --> 00:35:39,224
- Whoa, whoa, where
are you going?
785
00:35:39,398 --> 00:35:40,747
- I'm gonna go play
catch with my son
786
00:35:40,921 --> 00:35:43,358
before it gets too late
like "Cat's in the Cradle."
787
00:35:43,532 --> 00:35:44,620
- That's all very
"Cat's in the Cradle,"
788
00:35:44,794 --> 00:35:46,013
I don't wanna get into it.
789
00:35:46,187 --> 00:35:48,233
♪ Cause it's really
kind and simple ♪
790
00:35:48,407 --> 00:35:49,712
♪ When they came to me ♪
791
00:35:49,886 --> 00:35:51,540
♪ There's a lot of
people just like me ♪
792
00:35:51,714 --> 00:35:52,759
♪ Like me ♪
793
00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:54,456
♪ There's a whole
lot just like me ♪
794
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:56,893
♪ Like me ♪
795
00:35:57,067 --> 00:36:01,159
- Here's this song that
captivated me as a little kid.
796
00:36:01,333 --> 00:36:03,770
It stayed a current
theme in my life
797
00:36:03,944 --> 00:36:05,641
hearing the early hip hop guys
798
00:36:05,815 --> 00:36:08,166
that were even impressed by it.
799
00:36:10,951 --> 00:36:14,172
♪ You wanna party til
the break of day ♪
800
00:36:14,346 --> 00:36:16,174
♪ And he was talking before
I knew it, and as he grew ♪
801
00:36:16,348 --> 00:36:20,613
♪ He'd say I'm gonna
be like you, dad ♪
802
00:36:20,787 --> 00:36:24,747
♪ You know I'm
gonna be like you ♪
803
00:36:24,921 --> 00:36:27,141
♪ And the cat's in the
cradle and the silver spoon ♪
804
00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:29,926
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪
805
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:31,014
♪ When you coming home, son ♪
806
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:32,755
♪ I don't know when ♪
807
00:36:32,929 --> 00:36:35,454
♪ But we'll get
together then, dad ♪
808
00:36:35,628 --> 00:36:37,847
♪ We'll all have
a good time then ♪
809
00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:39,458
- Now here's what comes
810
00:36:39,632 --> 00:36:44,071
that I call the exodus part
of the song. [sings boldly]
811
00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:54,342
You get these
visions of Sal Mineo
812
00:36:54,516 --> 00:36:55,952
coming through the bull rings.
813
00:36:56,126 --> 00:36:59,826
[group laughing]
814
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,828
♪ The cat's in the cradle
and the silver spoon ♪
815
00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:04,613
♪ Little boy blue and
the man in the moon ♪
816
00:37:04,787 --> 00:37:05,919
♪ When you coming home, son ♪
817
00:37:06,093 --> 00:37:07,790
♪ I don't know when ♪
818
00:37:07,964 --> 00:37:09,792
♪ But we'll get
together then, dad ♪
819
00:37:09,966 --> 00:37:11,185
- Donkey!
820
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:15,276
♪ You know we'll have
a good time then ♪
821
00:37:24,851 --> 00:37:29,072
- [John] We knew, he was
kind of on a mission.
822
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:33,990
♪ I am the morning DJ
at W-O-L-D-D-D-D-D-D ♪
823
00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:40,388
- Before I met Harry I met Tom
824
00:37:40,562 --> 00:37:42,347
and I did a radio show with him,
825
00:37:42,521 --> 00:37:43,957
I was doing a show
called On this Rock
826
00:37:44,131 --> 00:37:45,741
for the ABC Radio Network.
827
00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:47,482
- I think the initial
thing actually
828
00:37:47,656 --> 00:37:50,180
was Bill Ayres meeting Harry.
829
00:37:50,355 --> 00:37:51,747
- I was a Catholic
priest at the time,
830
00:37:51,921 --> 00:37:53,793
which was a little strange
to be doing rock roll show,
831
00:37:53,967 --> 00:37:56,665
but I thought it was
a good idea. [laughs]
832
00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:58,841
♪ The bright good
morning voice ♪
833
00:37:59,015 --> 00:38:00,974
At the end of the
show, Tom said to me,
834
00:38:01,148 --> 00:38:01,888
that was really good.
835
00:38:02,062 --> 00:38:03,281
He said, you ask good questions.
836
00:38:03,455 --> 00:38:05,065
You outta talk to my
brother, he loves to talk.
837
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,719
Good morning and
welcome On this Rock.
838
00:38:06,893 --> 00:38:08,764
And we do have somebody
who makes it happen.
839
00:38:08,938 --> 00:38:12,159
Not only musically, but in
a whole lot of other ways.
840
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:13,813
It's a great pleasure
for me to do a show
841
00:38:13,987 --> 00:38:15,989
with a guy that I have
tremendous respect for,
842
00:38:16,163 --> 00:38:17,643
but also a real love for.
843
00:38:17,817 --> 00:38:20,298
A great friend, Harry Chapin.
844
00:38:20,472 --> 00:38:22,169
- [Harry] Well Bill,
we talked so many times
845
00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:24,302
in a non-recorded situation.
846
00:38:24,476 --> 00:38:25,825
It's gonna be
interesting to be here,
847
00:38:25,999 --> 00:38:27,696
captured on tape today.
848
00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:29,916
♪ When they let me go ♪
849
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:32,832
♪ So I drifted on down
to Tulsa, Oklahoma ♪
850
00:38:33,006 --> 00:38:35,835
♪ To do me a
late-night talk show ♪
851
00:38:36,009 --> 00:38:38,054
- He came on the show
and he was great.
852
00:38:38,228 --> 00:38:42,145
And at the end of it, he said
to me, that was really good.
853
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,846
He said, you should come
to my house for dinner.
854
00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:51,764
♪ I am the morning DJ
at W-O-L-D-D-D-D-D-D ♪
855
00:38:57,073 --> 00:39:01,034
- I remember he said to me,
even if I have to end up
856
00:39:01,208 --> 00:39:03,819
doing hand carvings in
the tip of a toothpick,
857
00:39:03,993 --> 00:39:06,822
it has to be something
nobody else has ever done.
858
00:39:06,996 --> 00:39:10,391
♪ W-O-L-D ♪
859
00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:15,265
♪ I am the morning
DJ on Danish radio ♪
860
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,745
- If Harry was an
inspiration to me,
861
00:39:16,919 --> 00:39:18,312
Bill was an
inspiration to Harry.
862
00:39:18,486 --> 00:39:21,010
♪ Playing all the hits for you ♪
863
00:39:21,184 --> 00:39:24,753
♪ But you got a long,
long way to go ♪
864
00:39:24,927 --> 00:39:26,146
- The amazing thing
about Why Hunger
865
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,845
and about Bill and Harry
is that sense of we.
866
00:39:40,334 --> 00:39:43,337
- So right away, they had
that spirit, you know,
867
00:39:43,511 --> 00:39:45,165
that wanting to change things
and make things better.
868
00:39:45,339 --> 00:39:47,733
That was a big part of his life.
869
00:39:52,999 --> 00:39:56,568
- [Harry] The dreams, let's
talk about our dreams.
870
00:39:59,658 --> 00:40:03,575
♪ I can hear my country crying ♪
871
00:40:03,749 --> 00:40:07,143
♪ For the dreams of yesterday ♪
872
00:40:07,317 --> 00:40:10,016
♪ It's the sound of
something dying ♪
873
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:13,236
♪ Saying we lost our way ♪
874
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,152
- We had a gathering of
friends at our house.
875
00:40:16,326 --> 00:40:18,894
They were talking about what
they've been doing in the '60s.
876
00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:21,767
And some had marched
on Washington.
877
00:40:23,246 --> 00:40:27,642
♪ As we're lookin'
for the light ♪
878
00:40:27,816 --> 00:40:30,993
♪ I can hear my country crying ♪
879
00:40:31,167 --> 00:40:34,127
♪ From the dark
that's in our eyes ♪
880
00:40:34,301 --> 00:40:36,999
♪ It reflects in dirty water ♪
881
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:39,828
♪ And the wasted lives ♪
882
00:40:40,002 --> 00:40:42,178
- When we met for dinner,
we started talking
883
00:40:42,352 --> 00:40:43,832
and I had an idea.
884
00:40:44,006 --> 00:40:46,182
I had come from the
civil rights movement.
885
00:40:46,356 --> 00:40:47,880
I had marched with Dr. King.
886
00:40:48,054 --> 00:40:51,361
I believed that hunger
and poverty were wrong.
887
00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:57,019
- One March on Washington
doesn't change the world
888
00:40:57,193 --> 00:40:58,934
and how can you
change the world?
889
00:40:59,108 --> 00:41:02,851
And then the subject came
up that if you're going
890
00:41:03,025 --> 00:41:05,941
to make a difference,
you pick something
891
00:41:06,115 --> 00:41:08,944
that's important enough
to dedicate a lifetime.
892
00:41:09,118 --> 00:41:10,816
♪ Do we take to the road ♪
893
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:13,601
♪ And make tomorrow today ♪
894
00:41:13,775 --> 00:41:17,213
♪ Or take to our heels boys ♪
895
00:41:17,387 --> 00:41:20,608
♪ And watch her fade away ♪
896
00:41:23,263 --> 00:41:25,265
- [Harry] I would say
that my prime goal in life
897
00:41:25,439 --> 00:41:26,701
is to have an
impact in that area.
898
00:41:26,875 --> 00:41:27,789
Why?
899
00:41:27,963 --> 00:41:29,922
Because it is the
most basic area.
900
00:41:30,096 --> 00:41:32,054
The fact is hunger
also involves ecology.
901
00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:33,447
It also involves energy.
902
00:41:33,621 --> 00:41:35,449
It also involves women's
rights and about economics
903
00:41:35,623 --> 00:41:36,581
and about politics.
904
00:41:36,755 --> 00:41:40,410
It involves the future
of our own kind.
905
00:41:40,585 --> 00:41:43,457
- So Harry was right, as he
was right about so many things.
906
00:41:43,631 --> 00:41:45,198
There's no need for hunger.
907
00:41:45,372 --> 00:41:48,897
It's an abnormality
in the human economic
908
00:41:49,071 --> 00:41:50,159
and political condition.
909
00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:51,465
It's a farce.
910
00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:56,209
- [Dave] What they did was they
knew something about people,
911
00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:58,603
they knew who they
wanted to help.
912
00:41:58,777 --> 00:42:01,170
- They made a commitment over
the years to spend the rest
913
00:42:01,344 --> 00:42:03,216
of our lives fighting poverty.
914
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:05,305
- [Ken] His philosophy
about stuff, his feelings
915
00:42:05,479 --> 00:42:09,701
about the importance of
solving these core issues,
916
00:42:09,875 --> 00:42:11,572
were really amazing.
917
00:42:11,746 --> 00:42:13,966
♪ A song beyond the walls ♪
918
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:16,708
♪ Through the open
roads and the skyways ♪
919
00:42:16,882 --> 00:42:19,580
♪ Is where our future goes ♪
920
00:42:19,754 --> 00:42:21,103
- [Dave] The two of them
had taken on the world.
921
00:42:21,277 --> 00:42:23,628
- Harry and I both recognized,
right from the beginning,
922
00:42:23,802 --> 00:42:25,630
that if you want
to solve hunger,
923
00:42:25,804 --> 00:42:26,326
you can't just feed people.
924
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,284
That's the first step.
925
00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:30,678
And at the time that
movement was just beginning,
926
00:42:30,852 --> 00:42:31,853
emergency food.
927
00:42:32,027 --> 00:42:33,507
And so we got into that.
928
00:42:33,681 --> 00:42:35,509
- You know, and it was
right around the time
929
00:42:35,683 --> 00:42:36,945
of the Bangladesh concert.
930
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,078
And I think they
decided we could
931
00:42:39,252 --> 00:42:42,298
do a Bangladesh type
concert for hunger.
932
00:42:46,476 --> 00:42:50,176
♪ See the love, love
that's sleeping ♪
933
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:51,917
- [Sandy] Bill and Harry talking
934
00:42:52,091 --> 00:42:53,919
about the concert in Bangladesh.
935
00:42:54,093 --> 00:42:56,356
- So I said to Harry,
why don't we do a
936
00:42:56,530 --> 00:42:59,272
kind of Bangladesh type
concert, but make it for Africa.
937
00:42:59,446 --> 00:43:01,361
He said, "Great
idea, I love it."
938
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:03,276
So we went to the UN.
939
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:05,060
He knew a guy at the UN,
940
00:43:05,234 --> 00:43:06,975
and the guy said, "Yeah,
it's a great idea."
941
00:43:07,149 --> 00:43:09,282
- Bill, and I guess Harry,
who I really didn't,
942
00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:11,197
it might even have been
the first time I met Harry.
943
00:43:11,371 --> 00:43:13,852
And they explained
to us that they
944
00:43:14,026 --> 00:43:16,071
were gonna do this concert.
945
00:43:16,245 --> 00:43:17,899
- And we had several,
several meetings,
946
00:43:18,073 --> 00:43:20,641
but it never worked out.
947
00:43:20,815 --> 00:43:23,339
♪ It was an early
morning bar room ♪
948
00:43:23,513 --> 00:43:26,255
♪ And the place just opened up ♪
949
00:43:26,429 --> 00:43:29,868
♪ And the little man
come in so fast and ♪
950
00:43:30,042 --> 00:43:32,479
♪ Started at his cup. ♪
951
00:43:32,653 --> 00:43:36,352
- [Tom] They began to
realize a couple of things.
952
00:43:36,526 --> 00:43:38,659
First of all, this is a
world that can feed itself.
953
00:43:38,833 --> 00:43:43,229
And second of all, that a
concert wasn't gonna do it.
954
00:43:43,403 --> 00:43:47,146
Something had to be
here today, next week,
955
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,454
a month from now, a year
from now, 10 years from now.
956
00:43:51,629 --> 00:43:53,108
And in the course of that,
957
00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:54,849
they decided we really
need an organization
958
00:43:55,023 --> 00:43:57,069
that is just working on this.
959
00:43:57,243 --> 00:44:00,159
And Bill and Harry
said, we could do this.
960
00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,422
♪ But the little
man just sat there ♪
961
00:44:02,596 --> 00:44:07,296
♪ Like he'd never
heard a sound ♪
962
00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:10,473
♪ The waitress she
gave out with a cough ♪
963
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,651
- [Bill] We've had
some fantastic bombs,
964
00:44:13,825 --> 00:44:16,262
in terms of some concerts
that we tried to plan
965
00:44:16,436 --> 00:44:17,524
that didn't come off.
966
00:44:17,698 --> 00:44:19,395
But we've done, how
many, about 50 concerts?
967
00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:23,225
- Yeah, Yeah, well, the thing,
Bill, is as you have said,
968
00:44:23,399 --> 00:44:25,532
and I, I mean, it's a thing
that I believe in strongly
969
00:44:25,706 --> 00:44:28,535
that if you're serious about
something you're not looking
970
00:44:28,709 --> 00:44:30,450
for the one march,
the one concert.
971
00:44:30,624 --> 00:44:34,193
That you're involved
on a day to day basis,
972
00:44:34,367 --> 00:44:35,760
you here today, tomorrow,
next week, next month,
973
00:44:35,934 --> 00:44:37,892
next year, 10 years from now.
974
00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:40,547
- I didn't know Bill
enough or Harry,
975
00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:42,636
to know that that's
what they did.
976
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:43,768
They did the impossible.
977
00:44:43,942 --> 00:44:46,248
- He was in a hurry
to do everything,
978
00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:50,035
make everything he
could happen, you know.
979
00:44:50,209 --> 00:44:54,169
And literally believed
that through his efforts
980
00:44:54,343 --> 00:44:57,172
and the efforts, if he could
get the politicians involved,
981
00:44:57,346 --> 00:44:59,609
he could eliminate
these issues of hunger
982
00:44:59,784 --> 00:45:01,611
and homelessness and poverty.
983
00:45:01,786 --> 00:45:03,178
- [Bill] Let's talk
about our dreams here.
984
00:45:03,352 --> 00:45:04,614
- [Harry] Well, it's
an interesting time.
985
00:45:04,789 --> 00:45:06,573
I hope they don't
forget the fact
986
00:45:06,747 --> 00:45:08,923
that what America truly
stands for is not B1 Bombers.
987
00:45:09,097 --> 00:45:11,447
What makes us unique
is human rights,
988
00:45:11,621 --> 00:45:13,798
human needs and human dignity.
989
00:45:13,972 --> 00:45:14,755
- Not so bad.
990
00:45:16,801 --> 00:45:18,237
- Wow, looks great!
991
00:45:18,411 --> 00:45:22,110
It's interesting to
look back to the 1970s
992
00:45:22,284 --> 00:45:25,070
into the friendship
that Bill and Harry had
993
00:45:25,244 --> 00:45:27,333
and the vision that they shared,
994
00:45:27,507 --> 00:45:31,076
and how active they
were in Washington, DC.
995
00:45:32,294 --> 00:45:36,734
♪ It was the town that
made America famous ♪
996
00:45:37,996 --> 00:45:39,649
- He's really looking
for commonality.
997
00:45:39,824 --> 00:45:42,130
He was trying to figure out
what the biggest issues were,
998
00:45:42,304 --> 00:45:43,653
who wanted to be involved
in the biggest issues,
999
00:45:43,828 --> 00:45:46,569
and how they could work
together for a solution.
1000
00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:50,791
- I loved when Bill and
Harry would come in.
1001
00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:53,402
One would be the crashing surf,
1002
00:45:54,490 --> 00:45:56,928
the other would be
the gentle stream.
1003
00:45:57,102 --> 00:45:59,974
But both delivered the message.
1004
00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:01,976
- And I think when
he and Bill met,
1005
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:03,673
they were both very
positive people
1006
00:46:03,848 --> 00:46:06,198
who believed in the
power of possibility.
1007
00:46:06,372 --> 00:46:09,854
And neither of them, not
just wouldn't take no
1008
00:46:10,028 --> 00:46:11,986
for an answer, they didn't
think that no really existed
1009
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,379
in the hearts of other people,
1010
00:46:13,553 --> 00:46:15,729
because the two of them
were such yes people.
1011
00:46:15,903 --> 00:46:17,731
And in that sense
sometimes I think Sandy
1012
00:46:17,905 --> 00:46:20,603
and I both married a preacher.
1013
00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:22,736
- His political sensibility
1014
00:46:23,911 --> 00:46:27,523
was also kind of
prophetic and timeless.
1015
00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:32,441
♪ Now they were the folks
that made America famous ♪
1016
00:46:33,486 --> 00:46:35,227
- So we started
knocking on doors.
1017
00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:36,576
And Harry was very persuasive.
1018
00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:37,838
He walked in like this and say,
1019
00:46:38,012 --> 00:46:40,493
I got this presidential
commission, why
1020
00:46:40,667 --> 00:46:43,452
- He had entree on a
lot of different levels
1021
00:46:43,626 --> 00:46:44,932
and he would use them.
1022
00:46:45,106 --> 00:46:47,195
And it's not as if he would
say hello and greet them.
1023
00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:51,417
He would say, hello, and
say, what are you doing?
1024
00:46:51,591 --> 00:46:55,421
- Well we thought 52,
I guess we had 52, 53.
1025
00:46:55,595 --> 00:46:58,337
- And we have a number of
people who have not signed it,
1026
00:46:58,511 --> 00:47:00,556
who have said that if
it comes to a vote,
1027
00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:02,384
they'll vote for it.
1028
00:47:02,558 --> 00:47:04,822
And they also will not
do anything to stop it
1029
00:47:04,996 --> 00:47:06,780
from going up on the
unanimous consent.
1030
00:47:06,954 --> 00:47:09,783
- Well we got, I think just
I this morning from Chicago,
1031
00:47:09,957 --> 00:47:11,524
called a bunch of senators.
1032
00:47:11,698 --> 00:47:14,483
- But Baker said
that he wouldn't.
1033
00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:17,312
- We're gonna share some
songs here for a little while.
1034
00:47:17,486 --> 00:47:19,184
- Do you know who he is?
1035
00:47:19,358 --> 00:47:20,359
This is my brother,
Harry Chapin.
1036
00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:22,448
[Harry laughing]
1037
00:47:22,622 --> 00:47:25,668
♪ I was crammed into
a coffee house pew ♪
1038
00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:26,887
- I think if there was some way
1039
00:47:27,061 --> 00:47:30,195
that we could harness
Harry's energy,
1040
00:47:31,674 --> 00:47:34,852
we could solve all the
problems in the world:
1041
00:47:35,026 --> 00:47:39,944
energy problem, world food
problems and everything else.
1042
00:47:40,118 --> 00:47:42,729
Harry and I have
become quite friendly,
1043
00:47:42,903 --> 00:47:46,080
worked very closely together
on the whole question
1044
00:47:46,254 --> 00:47:47,734
of world food.
1045
00:47:47,908 --> 00:47:50,432
He's been in my
office nearly daily
1046
00:47:51,781 --> 00:47:53,479
and then he's off to
somewhere like California
1047
00:47:53,653 --> 00:47:54,872
for the afternoon or evening,
1048
00:47:55,046 --> 00:47:56,874
and is back again
later in the same day.
1049
00:47:57,048 --> 00:47:59,659
- I bought what Henry
Kissinger said in 1974
1050
00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:01,443
at the World Food
Conference, and he said,
1051
00:48:01,617 --> 00:48:03,968
I think it indicate
the focus that Harry
1052
00:48:04,142 --> 00:48:07,232
and others want to
place on the resolution.
1053
00:48:07,406 --> 00:48:09,799
Now, passing a resolution
itself does nothing.
1054
00:48:09,974 --> 00:48:11,976
- About the commission,
because it's asked
1055
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:13,629
to answer difficult questions
1056
00:48:13,803 --> 00:48:16,545
about the United States
policies affecting hunger.
1057
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,156
We're asking, what are we doing?
1058
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:19,679
Can we do it better?
1059
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:21,724
And can we do more?
1060
00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:26,947
♪ Say they know
what's going on ♪
1061
00:48:27,121 --> 00:48:30,255
♪ But I sometimes think
the difference is ♪
1062
00:48:30,429 --> 00:48:32,822
♪ Just in how I think and see ♪
1063
00:48:32,997 --> 00:48:36,478
♪ And the only
changes going on ♪
1064
00:48:36,652 --> 00:48:39,481
♪ Are going on in me ♪
1065
00:48:40,961 --> 00:48:43,703
- [Bill] We actually were
able to get a majority
1066
00:48:43,877 --> 00:48:47,576
of congressmen to sign on
to this and vote to say yes.
1067
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:50,014
And then named Harry
as one of the members
1068
00:48:50,188 --> 00:48:51,276
of the commission.
1069
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:53,408
- [Ken] What is unique
about this person?
1070
00:48:53,582 --> 00:48:55,106
What is it that when
they walk in the room,
1071
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,890
they dominate the room?
1072
00:48:57,064 --> 00:48:59,893
Everything changes, there's
a whole different energy
1073
00:49:00,067 --> 00:49:02,504
in the room and
dynamic and karma
1074
00:49:02,678 --> 00:49:04,202
or whatever you wanna call it.
1075
00:49:04,376 --> 00:49:06,378
And Harry was one
of those people.
1076
00:49:06,552 --> 00:49:09,163
And I saw that the first
moment I met with him.
1077
00:49:09,337 --> 00:49:12,297
[audience applauding]
1078
00:49:14,864 --> 00:49:17,693
- You guys don't do bad
after you're pushed a little.
1079
00:49:17,867 --> 00:49:20,044
Same way by Congress,
I tell you, same thing.
1080
00:49:20,218 --> 00:49:22,568
- What a lovely man
and how right was he?
1081
00:49:22,742 --> 00:49:25,440
But he lobbied to
nicely in Congress.
1082
00:49:25,614 --> 00:49:28,574
You know, those fuckers are up
for election every two years,
1083
00:49:28,748 --> 00:49:29,705
take them out.
1084
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,100
They're so vulnerable.
1085
00:49:33,274 --> 00:49:34,754
- He called me one
day and he said,
1086
00:49:34,928 --> 00:49:36,408
"We're going to
the White House."
1087
00:49:36,582 --> 00:49:40,586
Carter had invited a whole
bunch of record company people.
1088
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,502
They got the idea that we
had about doing a concert.
1089
00:49:43,676 --> 00:49:44,851
So Harry said, "You
gotta get dressed up."
1090
00:49:45,025 --> 00:49:46,635
I said, "Me get dressed up?
1091
00:49:46,809 --> 00:49:47,897
"You got to get dressed up."
1092
00:49:48,072 --> 00:49:49,073
"Oh no, wait until
you see it," he said,
1093
00:49:49,247 --> 00:49:50,509
"Sandy bought me a new suit."
1094
00:49:50,683 --> 00:49:51,684
Oh, okay.
1095
00:49:51,858 --> 00:49:52,815
- I walk in the
white house, right?
1096
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:54,339
I dropped a piece of paper.
1097
00:49:54,513 --> 00:49:57,037
I leaned down, I go,
[imitates ripping sound]
1098
00:49:57,211 --> 00:50:00,736
My pants are ripped from here
all the way through to here.
1099
00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:02,912
So for the rest of the
day, I'm going like.
1100
00:50:03,087 --> 00:50:04,566
Can you imagine the secret
service men watching me,
1101
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:05,959
I'm going like this.
1102
00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:07,526
[audience laughing]
1103
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:08,788
Incredible.
1104
00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:11,443
- Meeting was not going too well
1105
00:50:11,617 --> 00:50:13,097
and these record company guys
are going, buh, buh, buh.
1106
00:50:13,271 --> 00:50:14,402
Harry stands up and he says,
1107
00:50:14,576 --> 00:50:16,709
"I've been pedaling
my rear end for hunger
1108
00:50:16,883 --> 00:50:18,145
"for all these years."
1109
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,278
And he turns around and
he shows them. [laughs]
1110
00:50:20,452 --> 00:50:22,019
- I met Harry in 1978.
1111
00:50:23,324 --> 00:50:24,630
I was in the studio.
1112
00:50:24,804 --> 00:50:27,850
He was making a record
in another studio.
1113
00:50:28,025 --> 00:50:31,637
And he came smiling up to me
and started talking to me.
1114
00:50:31,811 --> 00:50:35,206
And 20 minutes went
by, 30 minutes went by.
1115
00:50:36,816 --> 00:50:39,949
We talked about everything,
politics, music.
1116
00:50:40,124 --> 00:50:41,560
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
1117
00:50:41,734 --> 00:50:43,127
- This was true about
Harry, he loved to talk.
1118
00:50:43,301 --> 00:50:45,651
- Not only would he leave
the room in the middle
1119
00:50:45,825 --> 00:50:47,131
of one of your sentences,
he'd leave the room
1120
00:50:47,305 --> 00:50:48,915
in the middle of one
of his sentences.
1121
00:50:49,089 --> 00:50:53,485
His mind was always two minutes
ahead of what was going on.
1122
00:50:53,659 --> 00:50:56,531
- He'd be walking along
and you'd be running.
1123
00:50:56,705 --> 00:50:58,751
- [Ken] I couldn't keep
up with Harry Chapin.
1124
00:50:58,925 --> 00:51:01,188
Harry Chapman was in a hurry
about everything in his life.
1125
00:51:01,362 --> 00:51:02,233
- Whose pencil did I steal here?
1126
00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:03,799
- He had a kind of leadership
1127
00:51:03,973 --> 00:51:06,019
that I always called
the Pied Piper.
1128
00:51:06,193 --> 00:51:07,847
- Mr. Chapin, you said
something in your concert
1129
00:51:08,021 --> 00:51:11,851
about world hunger, about
you helping with that.
1130
00:51:12,025 --> 00:51:13,853
And I don't think
that's much of a problem
1131
00:51:14,027 --> 00:51:16,986
because I feel if we can
just improve agriculture
1132
00:51:17,161 --> 00:51:18,597
in the underdeveloped countries,
1133
00:51:18,771 --> 00:51:20,947
that ought to be
sufficient to help it.
1134
00:51:21,121 --> 00:51:22,862
- Well, it's
interesting, you know,
1135
00:51:23,036 --> 00:51:25,169
one of the things we're
trying to make people aware of
1136
00:51:25,343 --> 00:51:27,780
both for World Hunger Year,
which we founded five years ago
1137
00:51:27,954 --> 00:51:29,477
on the president's
commission on world hunger,
1138
00:51:29,651 --> 00:51:30,696
which I'm a member
of, is the fact
1139
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:33,046
that there's so many
myths about hunger.
1140
00:51:33,220 --> 00:51:34,613
And one of them is that
we got too many people
1141
00:51:34,787 --> 00:51:36,093
and not enough food.
1142
00:51:36,267 --> 00:51:37,442
And if we just grow enough food
1143
00:51:37,616 --> 00:51:40,706
and stop the population
expansion that we
1144
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,883
But this is belied very clearly
by a country that you may
1145
00:51:44,057 --> 00:51:45,754
have heard of called the
United States of America.
1146
00:51:45,928 --> 00:51:47,669
- I live in the Bronx.
1147
00:51:47,843 --> 00:51:51,020
The Bronx, out of 62
counties in New York state,
1148
00:51:51,195 --> 00:51:54,763
the Bronx ranks 62 as
the most unhealthiest.
1149
00:51:54,937 --> 00:51:56,200
Yeah, so this is the
garden of happiness
1150
00:51:56,374 --> 00:51:58,506
and this is the 30th year.
1151
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,856
So I tell people
that if you were sad,
1152
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:04,860
not feeling well, when you
come in here, you'll see,
1153
00:52:05,034 --> 00:52:06,514
you'll feel happy.
1154
00:52:06,688 --> 00:52:08,516
So that's why we call it
the garden of happiness.
1155
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:10,431
It's a valley of love for me.
1156
00:52:10,605 --> 00:52:11,954
I enjoy the people here.
1157
00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:14,740
I enjoy waking up in the
morning to hear the birds sing.
1158
00:52:14,914 --> 00:52:16,437
I enjoy nature.
1159
00:52:17,395 --> 00:52:21,486
And most of all, I enjoy
the people and the children.
1160
00:52:23,183 --> 00:52:24,837
- [Harry] I mean, the
fact is we've had hunger
1161
00:52:25,011 --> 00:52:26,578
all the way through human
history and there's some things
1162
00:52:26,752 --> 00:52:27,927
that we're gonna
have to do about it.
1163
00:52:28,101 --> 00:52:29,233
- [Bill] Some basic changes.
1164
00:52:29,407 --> 00:52:30,799
- [Harry] Right?
1165
00:52:30,973 --> 00:52:32,410
- [Bill] And some of those
are political and economic.
1166
00:52:32,584 --> 00:52:34,629
- [Harry] And people have to
be aware of what they can do
1167
00:52:34,803 --> 00:52:36,762
or how these things
could caused.
1168
00:52:36,936 --> 00:52:38,851
Many of the economic
dislocations in this country
1169
00:52:39,025 --> 00:52:40,287
right now, they're causing
hardship for some people
1170
00:52:40,461 --> 00:52:42,115
have a basis in the same thing
1171
00:52:42,289 --> 00:52:43,856
that are making people
starve in other countries.
1172
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:47,816
- And so this is quote unquote,
a low income neighborhood.
1173
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:51,168
But for me, it's not about
being about low income,
1174
00:52:51,342 --> 00:52:52,952
marginalized or poor.
1175
00:52:53,126 --> 00:52:55,084
It's about changing
the lens of those
1176
00:52:55,259 --> 00:52:59,698
that have been the victim
of politics, of racism,
1177
00:52:59,872 --> 00:53:02,135
in terms of hunger and poverty.
1178
00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:08,010
♪ He's the last of
the protest singers ♪
1179
00:53:08,185 --> 00:53:10,970
♪ Selling truth and commitment ♪
1180
00:53:11,144 --> 00:53:13,799
♪ He don't get much
work these days ♪
1181
00:53:13,973 --> 00:53:16,715
♪ He's billed as a novelty act ♪
1182
00:53:16,889 --> 00:53:18,717
- [Harry] You can fool
people for a amount of time,
1183
00:53:18,891 --> 00:53:21,807
but in the long run, if you
wanted to know where America was
1184
00:53:21,981 --> 00:53:25,071
in the '60s, you have to listen
to Dylan, to the Beatles,
1185
00:53:25,245 --> 00:53:27,769
to Paul Simon, to Crosby,
Stills, Nash, and Young.
1186
00:53:27,943 --> 00:53:30,816
You do not need, look
at the top 20 albums,
1187
00:53:30,990 --> 00:53:32,383
you do not need
listen to those albums
1188
00:53:32,557 --> 00:53:33,601
to know where America--
1189
00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:34,863
- [Bill] With a
couple of exceptions.
1190
00:53:35,037 --> 00:53:35,647
- [Harry] Okay, well
I think one of them,
1191
00:53:35,821 --> 00:53:36,996
you were about to mention.
1192
00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:38,171
- [Bill] Yeah, absolutely,
Bruce Springsteen,
1193
00:53:38,345 --> 00:53:39,520
I think is a very
good example of that.
1194
00:53:39,694 --> 00:53:41,609
- I wouldn't say Bruce
necessarily missed meals,
1195
00:53:41,783 --> 00:53:46,048
but I think it was
part of a thin margin.
1196
00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:49,313
- Next night I came in, Harry
comes bounding up smiling,
1197
00:53:49,487 --> 00:53:51,880
and he starts talking to me.
1198
00:53:52,054 --> 00:53:54,361
30 minutes goes by, so finally,
1199
00:53:55,841 --> 00:53:58,235
I used to try to hide from him.
1200
00:54:00,411 --> 00:54:01,847
I'd come in and I'd
ask the secretary
1201
00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:04,589
if Harry was in the lobby.
1202
00:54:04,763 --> 00:54:07,244
Then I'd sneak in the studio.
1203
00:54:07,418 --> 00:54:09,028
- I guess I've been
known for the last three
1204
00:54:09,202 --> 00:54:10,334
or four years of
the most politically
1205
00:54:10,508 --> 00:54:14,251
and socially active
performer in America.
1206
00:54:14,425 --> 00:54:16,296
I found a lot of music
critics are wishing I'd spend
1207
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:18,124
more time in politics
and a lot of politicians
1208
00:54:18,298 --> 00:54:20,126
that wished that I was
spending more time in music.
1209
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:22,781
But anyway, or at least
suggesting that I do.
1210
00:54:22,955 --> 00:54:26,350
- He chose what he chose,
and the day that he chose it,
1211
00:54:26,524 --> 00:54:28,743
he threw down everything he had.
1212
00:54:28,917 --> 00:54:31,137
- That's also part of
the Harry and Bill thing,
1213
00:54:31,311 --> 00:54:33,008
which is they're
interested in the work.
1214
00:54:33,182 --> 00:54:35,054
And we said, how do
we get this done?
1215
00:54:35,228 --> 00:54:36,447
How do we help?
1216
00:54:36,621 --> 00:54:38,100
And how do we make
this move forward
1217
00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:40,451
and move this increment,
you know, really,
1218
00:54:40,625 --> 00:54:42,322
really help this situation.
1219
00:54:42,496 --> 00:54:44,846
- Is the idea of a participatory
democracy outmoded?
1220
00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:47,545
Is the American dream outmoded?
1221
00:54:48,894 --> 00:54:51,375
- As far as his
sense of citizenship,
1222
00:54:51,549 --> 00:54:55,727
his sense of patriotism,
you look at words he said,
1223
00:54:55,901 --> 00:54:58,382
words he wrote 30-odd years ago
1224
00:54:58,556 --> 00:55:01,298
and they ring out
beautifully today.
1225
00:55:03,082 --> 00:55:06,477
- I think the thing that makes
all of us want to be alive,
1226
00:55:06,651 --> 00:55:08,087
it's to matter.
1227
00:55:08,261 --> 00:55:09,784
And the way you matter is to
care enough about something
1228
00:55:09,958 --> 00:55:11,090
so you keep doing it.
1229
00:55:11,264 --> 00:55:12,831
- Harry and Bill were
ahead of their time
1230
00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:14,833
because really what happened
1231
00:55:15,007 --> 00:55:16,225
when they started
the organization,
1232
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,358
there was like a hundred
soup kitchens and pantries
1233
00:55:18,532 --> 00:55:20,752
in New York city,
now there's 1300.
1234
00:55:20,926 --> 00:55:22,710
There's no less hunger.
1235
00:55:22,884 --> 00:55:25,844
So they always had a
root cause approach
1236
00:55:26,018 --> 00:55:30,239
to look at the systems
and structures that
1237
00:55:30,414 --> 00:55:32,851
What is at that intersection?
1238
00:55:33,025 --> 00:55:35,723
which we, at Why Hunger,
define as social justice.
1239
00:55:35,897 --> 00:55:38,944
You have to solve hunger
by looking at poverty,
1240
00:55:39,118 --> 00:55:41,903
by looking at a social justice.
1241
00:55:42,077 --> 00:55:46,038
And when you do that, there
are plenty of people out there,
1242
00:55:46,212 --> 00:55:48,170
and this is what
makes me hopeful,
1243
00:55:48,345 --> 00:55:52,914
that we can live the vision
that Bill and Harry charted
1244
00:55:53,088 --> 00:55:54,351
so many years ago.
1245
00:55:56,091 --> 00:55:58,050
- Harry's pumping the
crowds, "Are you ready?"
1246
00:55:58,224 --> 00:56:00,052
You know, "Are you ready?"
1247
00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:01,793
- Are you ready?
1248
00:56:01,967 --> 00:56:05,013
- Since it's halftime and
Harry's in the toilet,
1249
00:56:05,187 --> 00:56:08,539
you know, in the dumper
and here's them come in.
1250
00:56:08,713 --> 00:56:09,844
And hears them
talking about him.
1251
00:56:10,018 --> 00:56:11,019
And it's Wallace, and says,
1252
00:56:11,193 --> 00:56:12,760
"If I hear one more
freaking time."
1253
00:56:12,934 --> 00:56:13,979
- "Are you ready?"
1254
00:56:14,153 --> 00:56:14,980
- "Are you ready?"
1255
00:56:15,154 --> 00:56:16,111
Are you ready?
1256
00:56:16,285 --> 00:56:16,982
- "Are you ready?"
1257
00:56:17,156 --> 00:56:17,896
- For every song.
1258
00:56:18,070 --> 00:56:20,072
- Are you ready?
1259
00:56:20,246 --> 00:56:23,031
- Back in the cheap seats,
they're ready. [snorting]
1260
00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:24,642
- Barking at
halftime or whatever,
1261
00:56:24,816 --> 00:56:26,165
I'm mumbling and
cursing under my breath.
1262
00:56:26,339 --> 00:56:28,036
You know?
1263
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:29,864
And I thought I heard a
little rustle in the stall
1264
00:56:30,038 --> 00:56:32,911
or something, but you know,
took a leak or whatever,
1265
00:56:33,085 --> 00:56:35,304
I'm still cursing and
mumbling, that son of a bitch
1266
00:56:35,479 --> 00:56:37,742
and are you ready
and other bullshit.
1267
00:56:37,916 --> 00:56:39,657
- I say the funniest
thing about Harry,
1268
00:56:39,831 --> 00:56:40,745
so Harry, what'd you do?
1269
00:56:40,919 --> 00:56:42,181
He says, "I pulled my legs up."
1270
00:56:42,355 --> 00:56:43,965
Which is the funniest
thing I've ever heard.
1271
00:56:44,139 --> 00:56:46,185
Anybody else would've said,
"I can hear you, Big John."
1272
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:47,404
You know, it'd be like that.
1273
00:56:47,578 --> 00:56:48,796
But instead, I
pulled my legs up.
1274
00:56:48,970 --> 00:56:50,537
I said, that's what a man.
1275
00:56:50,711 --> 00:56:52,147
- He never said a word until--
1276
00:56:52,321 --> 00:56:53,410
- Never said a word.
1277
00:56:53,584 --> 00:56:54,846
The second half he's
doing the same shit.
1278
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:56,064
Are you ready?
1279
00:56:56,238 --> 00:56:57,501
Are you ready?
1280
00:56:57,675 --> 00:56:59,154
At one point, he turns
around with this big smile
1281
00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:03,898
on his face, "Are you
ready Big John?." [laughs]
1282
00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:06,205
- So we went out to
California to mix.
1283
00:57:06,379 --> 00:57:10,557
I'm standing on this balcony,
third floor of this motel.
1284
00:57:10,731 --> 00:57:13,255
And I hear, "Hey, hey."
1285
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,780
I looked down and there's Harry.
1286
00:57:15,954 --> 00:57:16,824
[audience laughing]
1287
00:57:16,998 --> 00:57:18,609
And he starts talking to me.
1288
00:57:18,783 --> 00:57:19,958
[audience laughing]
1289
00:57:20,132 --> 00:57:22,439
- Talks to me for
that 40 minutes,
1290
00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:25,224
standing down there looking up.
1291
00:57:25,398 --> 00:57:27,095
He was trying to get
me to do something.
1292
00:57:27,269 --> 00:57:32,187
- Ralph Nader had called Jann
Wenner and said, you know,
1293
00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:35,103
this guy, Harry Chapin is
like the most effective person
1294
00:57:35,277 --> 00:57:37,541
I've ever seen on Capitol Hill.
1295
00:57:37,715 --> 00:57:39,238
- They should say to
me what music can be
1296
00:57:39,412 --> 00:57:43,982
is that synthesis of magic
and meaning that, well,
1297
00:57:44,156 --> 00:57:47,289
no other art form, I
think, does so well.
1298
00:57:50,423 --> 00:57:53,078
♪ Remember when the music ♪
1299
00:57:53,252 --> 00:57:57,996
♪ Came from wooden boxes
strung with silver wire ♪
1300
00:57:58,605 --> 00:58:01,042
- [Bill] I love that song,
and it was a very appropriate
1301
00:58:01,216 --> 00:58:05,133
entry here at this point,
because just at this very moment
1302
00:58:05,307 --> 00:58:08,223
in walks brother Tom, who
plays lead guitar on that.
1303
00:58:08,397 --> 00:58:09,355
How you doing Tom?
1304
00:58:09,529 --> 00:58:10,922
- [Tom] Good, Bill,
good to see you.
1305
00:58:11,096 --> 00:58:12,314
- [Bill] And not only
good plays lead guitar,
1306
00:58:12,489 --> 00:58:14,839
but also has helped
enormously in this venture
1307
00:58:15,013 --> 00:58:16,536
that Harry and I just
been talking about,
1308
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:17,972
the World Hunger stuff.
1309
00:58:18,146 --> 00:58:19,452
You have bailed us out
any number of times.
1310
00:58:19,626 --> 00:58:21,541
- [Harry] My band calls
Tom the benefit band,
1311
00:58:21,715 --> 00:58:23,891
because every time I
need somebody to do
1312
00:58:24,065 --> 00:58:25,023
Tom is out there with me.
1313
00:58:25,197 --> 00:58:26,851
- [Bill] Yeah, that's great.
1314
00:58:27,025 --> 00:58:28,896
- It's part of what
he wanted to do.
1315
00:58:29,070 --> 00:58:30,245
He was trying to raise
as much as he could.
1316
00:58:30,419 --> 00:58:34,206
- From daddy's speech
on volunteerism,
1317
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:36,600
we must all go that extra mile.
1318
00:58:36,774 --> 00:58:40,038
We must be aggressive in the
sense of challenging others
1319
00:58:40,212 --> 00:58:43,476
and making them realize that
the American dream implies
1320
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:46,740
that all of us must
be actively involved.
1321
00:58:48,046 --> 00:58:49,874
We all have the potential
to move the world
1322
00:58:50,048 --> 00:58:53,007
and the world is
ready to be moved.
1323
00:58:53,181 --> 00:58:56,228
- And I really do think
that people like Pete Seeger
1324
00:58:56,402 --> 00:58:59,318
inspired him and you
know, obviously my mother,
1325
00:58:59,492 --> 00:59:01,320
and Bill and others.
1326
00:59:01,494 --> 00:59:06,064
And I think that anybody who
is able to accomplish something
1327
00:59:06,238 --> 00:59:08,327
hopes that it doesn't end
and that it continues,
1328
00:59:08,501 --> 00:59:11,417
but that relies on other
people to also be inspired,
1329
00:59:11,591 --> 00:59:13,854
to be passionate,
to be committed.
1330
00:59:14,028 --> 00:59:15,987
- [Bill] What we wanna
talk about tonight
1331
00:59:16,161 --> 00:59:18,380
is this whole business
of changing the world.
1332
00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:19,991
We got into that last week.
1333
00:59:20,165 --> 00:59:21,688
I take small topics like
that, you know me, right?
1334
00:59:21,862 --> 00:59:24,561
The topic that we'd
like to get into
1335
00:59:24,735 --> 00:59:28,869
is not only hunger, but your
attitude towards society
1336
00:59:29,043 --> 00:59:30,958
and your role within it.
1337
00:59:31,132 --> 00:59:33,004
Whether you think you
have any possibility
1338
00:59:33,178 --> 00:59:34,658
of changing anything,
1339
00:59:34,832 --> 00:59:36,224
maybe you've gotten
a little bit cynical.
1340
00:59:36,398 --> 00:59:37,225
Do you think so?
1341
00:59:37,399 --> 00:59:38,705
Do you think that the two of us
1342
00:59:38,879 --> 00:59:40,011
are absolutely out of our minds?
1343
00:59:40,185 --> 00:59:42,404
I mean, some of our
friends think we are.
1344
00:59:42,579 --> 00:59:44,015
- [Harry] Yeah, some of our
friends are probably right.
1345
00:59:44,189 --> 00:59:46,278
♪ There you stand
in your dungarees ♪
1346
00:59:46,452 --> 00:59:49,455
♪ Looking all grown up
and so very pleased ♪
1347
00:59:49,629 --> 00:59:52,284
♪ When you write your poems
they have so much to say ♪
1348
00:59:52,458 --> 00:59:54,242
- One of my favorite
stories about Harry
1349
00:59:54,416 --> 00:59:57,071
is taking him to a Laker game
in 1980 on election night.
1350
00:59:57,245 --> 00:59:59,639
- I was in a limo with
Ken Kragen and Harry
1351
00:59:59,813 --> 01:00:02,903
outside the Forum in
Inglewood, California,
1352
01:00:03,077 --> 01:00:04,992
and I was really excited,
1353
01:00:05,166 --> 01:00:06,603
being a New York
Knicks fan all life
1354
01:00:06,777 --> 01:00:08,517
to sit courtside at the Lakers.
1355
01:00:08,692 --> 01:00:10,519
We get to the game, and
it's a little surreal,
1356
01:00:10,694 --> 01:00:12,260
because we're down
to the courtside
1357
01:00:12,434 --> 01:00:13,392
and Jack Nicholson's there,
1358
01:00:13,566 --> 01:00:15,176
and it's the Lakers
in the Forum.
1359
01:00:15,350 --> 01:00:17,439
It's kind of fun, but
there's this ominous feeling.
1360
01:00:17,614 --> 01:00:20,051
- Right now Jimmy
Carter's preparing
1361
01:00:20,225 --> 01:00:22,444
to get into the
presidential limousine.
1362
01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:25,012
He will be making his
concession speech.
1363
01:00:25,186 --> 01:00:28,537
- And I'm sitting with
Harry during the game.
1364
01:00:28,712 --> 01:00:32,063
We have been in the back
room watching television
1365
01:00:32,237 --> 01:00:35,196
and what was happening
in the election.
1366
01:00:35,370 --> 01:00:38,547
- I promised you four years ago
1367
01:00:38,722 --> 01:00:41,725
that I would never lie to you.
1368
01:00:41,899 --> 01:00:46,294
So I can't stand here tonight
and say it doesn't hurt.
1369
01:00:46,468 --> 01:00:48,470
- [Ken] And suddenly he
said to me, you know what?
1370
01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:51,256
I've lost most of the Democrats
that were my supporters
1371
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:54,476
on stuff I was trying to
get done on the issues
1372
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:57,262
of hunger and
homelessness and poverty.
1373
01:00:57,436 --> 01:01:01,179
- The president pledged
the utmost in cooperation
1374
01:01:01,353 --> 01:01:03,964
in the transition
that will take place.
1375
01:01:04,138 --> 01:01:05,574
- I'm gonna have
to leave right now,
1376
01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:07,098
I'm going to fly to
Washington immediately.
1377
01:01:07,272 --> 01:01:09,753
And they ran on an
anti-crime platform.
1378
01:01:09,927 --> 01:01:13,278
I'm going to show them how
the reduction in those issues
1379
01:01:13,452 --> 01:01:16,803
can really affect what
they want to accomplish.
1380
01:01:19,197 --> 01:01:21,590
- Reagan wasn't
interested in any of this.
1381
01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:24,506
♪ He was crazy of course ♪
1382
01:01:24,681 --> 01:01:27,509
♪ From the first she
must have known it ♪
1383
01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:31,862
Harry and I sat in his house
just a few miles from here.
1384
01:01:32,036 --> 01:01:34,429
And we went in tears
saying, you know,
1385
01:01:34,603 --> 01:01:37,345
a couple of years of our
lives doing this stuff.
1386
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:40,174
And then we said, okay,
we're not gonna stop there.
1387
01:01:40,348 --> 01:01:42,046
We're gonna keep going.
1388
01:01:43,482 --> 01:01:48,356
♪ She believed in
his believing ♪
1389
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:53,318
♪ Ah, he was the sun
burning bright and brittle ♪
1390
01:01:53,492 --> 01:01:58,236
♪ And she was the moon shining
back his light a little ♪
1391
01:01:58,889 --> 01:02:01,630
♪ He was a shooting star ♪
1392
01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:04,764
♪ She was softer
and more slowly ♪
1393
01:02:04,938 --> 01:02:06,374
- In your life, do
you wanna be one cover
1394
01:02:06,548 --> 01:02:07,985
on Hit Parade Magazine,
1395
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:11,815
or would you like to get the
Nobel Peace Prize? [laughs]
1396
01:02:11,989 --> 01:02:13,164
- [Interviewer]
What was his answer?
1397
01:02:13,338 --> 01:02:14,818
- The Nobel peace prize.
1398
01:02:14,992 --> 01:02:17,821
- So, I mean, the fact is that
the news about Harry Chapin
1399
01:02:17,995 --> 01:02:19,257
right now is there's no news.
1400
01:02:19,431 --> 01:02:20,475
I've been doing
this for nine years,
1401
01:02:20,649 --> 01:02:21,825
half my concerts are benefits.
1402
01:02:21,999 --> 01:02:23,565
I'm mostly socially and
politically involved
1403
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:26,133
performing in America,
I'm going to continue be.
1404
01:02:26,307 --> 01:02:27,265
I'm not gonna get bullied.
1405
01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:29,310
- Ken Kragen had
tried to manage Harry.
1406
01:02:29,484 --> 01:02:31,356
He was just, he was
the manager of Harry,
1407
01:02:31,530 --> 01:02:32,357
if you could manage him.
1408
01:02:32,531 --> 01:02:34,185
- One of my problems with Harry,
1409
01:02:34,359 --> 01:02:36,491
trying to get Harry to
focus on his own career.
1410
01:02:36,665 --> 01:02:38,842
Harry would go do the
barbecue in your backyard
1411
01:02:39,016 --> 01:02:41,235
and raise a thousand
dollars for some charity.
1412
01:02:41,409 --> 01:02:44,543
Kenny Rogers was very
interested in those issues
1413
01:02:44,717 --> 01:02:46,023
and that kind of thing.
1414
01:02:46,197 --> 01:02:47,459
But he would go out
1415
01:02:47,633 --> 01:02:49,722
and raise a hundred
thousand dollars in a show.
1416
01:02:49,896 --> 01:02:52,290
- He may have been the
single most unselfish person
1417
01:02:52,464 --> 01:02:53,813
I've ever met in my life.
1418
01:02:53,987 --> 01:02:57,164
When he was really involved
in this hunger project,
1419
01:02:57,338 --> 01:03:00,733
he would do 150 shows
a year for hunger.
1420
01:03:01,865 --> 01:03:04,171
And he would donate, he would
make three or $4,000 a night
1421
01:03:04,345 --> 01:03:05,520
and he could donate
all this money
1422
01:03:05,694 --> 01:03:08,088
to the hunger
projects that he had.
1423
01:03:08,262 --> 01:03:10,003
- What Kenny raised
in one show was more
1424
01:03:10,177 --> 01:03:13,050
than what Harry raised
in a year shows.
1425
01:03:13,224 --> 01:03:14,138
But he loved it.
1426
01:03:14,312 --> 01:03:16,662
He loved the interaction
with the public.
1427
01:03:16,836 --> 01:03:18,664
He loved just talking to them.
1428
01:03:18,838 --> 01:03:20,797
He was such a people person,
1429
01:03:20,971 --> 01:03:24,104
and was making money
signing merchandise.
1430
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:27,978
He felt that was terrific.
1431
01:03:28,152 --> 01:03:31,285
♪ I've sung it all tonight. ♪
1432
01:03:31,459 --> 01:03:32,809
- I'll be out in the lobby,
but I forgot to mention that,
1433
01:03:32,983 --> 01:03:35,550
signing anything
you want me to sign.
1434
01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:38,815
- He would come to the
Huntington Arts Festival,
1435
01:03:38,989 --> 01:03:41,818
which was in back of the YMCA.
1436
01:03:41,992 --> 01:03:43,558
He was there to attract people,
1437
01:03:43,732 --> 01:03:46,823
but he get there and take
tickets, he'd collect money.
1438
01:03:46,997 --> 01:03:49,260
He'd be all around the place.
1439
01:03:49,434 --> 01:03:51,349
He'd be singing to
people individually,
1440
01:03:51,523 --> 01:03:52,741
he'd be performing.
1441
01:03:52,916 --> 01:03:56,441
- I got up this morning
at 5:00 in Hampton Beach,
1442
01:03:56,615 --> 01:04:00,749
New Hampshire to get
a limousine driven
1443
01:04:00,924 --> 01:04:03,883
by a rather interesting old
gentlemen down to Logan airport
1444
01:04:04,057 --> 01:04:05,667
in Boston and flew down here.
1445
01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:07,539
And I'm impressed,
everybody's here ready to go.
1446
01:04:07,713 --> 01:04:10,498
I'm just barely ready
myself. [laughs]
1447
01:04:10,672 --> 01:04:14,720
- [Jeb] What happened is
that this frenetic energy
1448
01:04:14,894 --> 01:04:19,943
started to take the focus off
of kind of concrete planning
1449
01:04:20,465 --> 01:04:24,730
and maintenance of,
I know that's a word
1450
01:04:24,904 --> 01:04:27,994
maintenance, but of the career,
1451
01:04:28,168 --> 01:04:29,691
which is what leverages it all.
1452
01:04:29,866 --> 01:04:32,564
- Every time he was asked
to help people, he did it.
1453
01:04:32,738 --> 01:04:36,481
- So cooperative and
willing to do anything
1454
01:04:36,655 --> 01:04:38,657
and everything
that we ask of him,
1455
01:04:38,831 --> 01:04:41,094
to the point of the guitar and
the pencil out of the cable
1456
01:04:41,268 --> 01:04:42,487
and the whole thing.
1457
01:04:42,661 --> 01:04:44,315
- And he said one thing
that I always remembered,
1458
01:04:44,489 --> 01:04:46,317
he said, gee, you know,
I play one night for me
1459
01:04:46,491 --> 01:04:48,972
and one night for the other guy.
1460
01:04:49,146 --> 01:04:51,452
And later on when I was
trying to put my music
1461
01:04:51,626 --> 01:04:55,543
to some pragmatic piece,
I remember what he said.
1462
01:04:55,717 --> 01:04:58,372
Not being bent to extremism,
1463
01:04:58,546 --> 01:05:01,419
I wasn't as generous
as he was, but.
1464
01:05:01,593 --> 01:05:04,248
- It was a bone of
contention, you know,
1465
01:05:04,422 --> 01:05:06,772
I mean, with various people.
1466
01:05:06,946 --> 01:05:09,731
The band didn't think he should
be doing that many shows.
1467
01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:13,344
I mean, sometimes he
would do a show, you know,
1468
01:05:13,518 --> 01:05:16,825
50 miles from Columbus,
Ohio a month before we
1469
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,741
were actually doing
municipal arena.
1470
01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:22,701
- I do about 200
concerts a year,
1471
01:05:22,875 --> 01:05:23,832
about 100 which are benefits.
1472
01:05:24,007 --> 01:05:25,486
Mostly with the group,
1473
01:05:25,660 --> 01:05:26,792
but tonight it's gonna be
a little bit different.
1474
01:05:26,966 --> 01:05:28,402
- Really wanted to
make people happy.
1475
01:05:28,576 --> 01:05:30,535
So he didn't want to go
around pissing people off
1476
01:05:30,709 --> 01:05:32,319
or frustrating them.
1477
01:05:32,493 --> 01:05:33,930
It's just tough to stop
the train, you know?
1478
01:05:34,104 --> 01:05:36,671
And he certainly
couldn't get off.
1479
01:05:36,845 --> 01:05:38,456
- I wrote this song
1480
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:40,632
about the same time I wrote
"Cat's in the Cradle."
1481
01:05:40,806 --> 01:05:42,112
- Well, he wasn't going
to be talked out of it.
1482
01:05:42,286 --> 01:05:43,374
- He could drive you crazy,
1483
01:05:43,548 --> 01:05:45,942
and he was completely
unscrupulous about
1484
01:05:46,116 --> 01:05:48,031
It was always for
the greater good,
1485
01:05:48,205 --> 01:05:50,033
and often it actually was.
1486
01:05:50,207 --> 01:05:54,385
♪ Where it's gone,
I did not know ♪
1487
01:05:55,734 --> 01:05:58,606
- [Billy] It was inspiring,
how motivated he was
1488
01:05:58,780 --> 01:05:59,956
to try to help others.
1489
01:06:00,130 --> 01:06:01,870
You couldn't help but see that.
1490
01:06:02,045 --> 01:06:03,524
He was like a saint.
1491
01:06:03,698 --> 01:06:06,397
And to the point
of being a martyr.
1492
01:06:08,877 --> 01:06:12,446
- This is as far back
as September 16th, 1976.
1493
01:06:13,665 --> 01:06:16,711
And he's making
promises of how his life
1494
01:06:16,885 --> 01:06:19,410
is gonna look in November, 1976.
1495
01:06:19,584 --> 01:06:21,542
This one didn't take
[laughs] or really,
1496
01:06:21,716 --> 01:06:24,981
you can see how
difficult it was gonna be
1497
01:06:26,765 --> 01:06:29,420
for him to adhere to this
over a long period of time,
1498
01:06:29,594 --> 01:06:30,682
because there was
just too much to do.
1499
01:06:30,856 --> 01:06:33,163
At this time you got two
really powerful people.
1500
01:06:33,337 --> 01:06:35,426
Sandy is a powerful person.
1501
01:06:37,341 --> 01:06:39,473
Harry's an incredibly
powerful person.
1502
01:06:39,647 --> 01:06:43,912
And Harry is racing toward
whatever destiny he envisioned
1503
01:06:45,262 --> 01:06:47,699
and worrying, getting it done.
1504
01:06:47,873 --> 01:06:50,441
And Sandy had been
through all this stuff.
1505
01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:53,531
The marriage was really
rocky right then.
1506
01:06:53,705 --> 01:06:55,402
- As you go through your
life, you get a little older,
1507
01:06:55,576 --> 01:06:56,403
you run a couple of
years under your belt.
1508
01:06:56,577 --> 01:06:58,797
You start realizing that
the story of your life
1509
01:06:58,971 --> 01:07:01,930
is not always those golden
dreams you're chasing,
1510
01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:04,803
but the people that you end
up spending your time with.
1511
01:07:04,977 --> 01:07:07,893
And usually, hopefully,
it's a spouse.
1512
01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:11,940
And so this is a song of a
guy whose spent some time
1513
01:07:12,115 --> 01:07:15,161
and suddenly is seeing his life
flashed back in front of him
1514
01:07:15,335 --> 01:07:17,120
and reassessing everything.
1515
01:07:17,294 --> 01:07:20,645
- Okay, Mr. Harry Chapin,
"Story of a Life."
1516
01:07:26,303 --> 01:07:28,827
♪ I can see myself
it's a golden sunrise ♪
1517
01:07:29,001 --> 01:07:31,134
♪ Young boy open up your eyes ♪
1518
01:07:31,308 --> 01:07:36,095
♪ It's supposed to be your day ♪
1519
01:07:36,269 --> 01:07:39,533
♪ Now off you go horizon bound ♪
1520
01:07:39,707 --> 01:07:41,970
♪ And you won't stop
until you've found ♪
1521
01:07:42,145 --> 01:07:47,106
♪ Your own kind of way ♪
1522
01:07:47,628 --> 01:07:49,543
♪ And the wind will
whip your tousled hair ♪
1523
01:07:49,717 --> 01:07:52,503
♪ The sun, the rain,
the sweet despair ♪
1524
01:07:52,677 --> 01:07:57,725
♪ Great tales of
love and strife ♪
1525
01:07:57,899 --> 01:08:00,598
♪ And somewhere on
your path to glory ♪
1526
01:08:00,772 --> 01:08:04,863
♪ You will write your
story of a life ♪
1527
01:08:05,037 --> 01:08:05,907
- I have an agenda, I'm not--
1528
01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:07,387
- [Woman] What is your agenda?
1529
01:08:07,561 --> 01:08:09,389
- Well, I want to matter.
1530
01:08:09,563 --> 01:08:10,869
Every human being
wants to matter.
1531
01:08:11,043 --> 01:08:12,914
Gene McCarthy said it
brilliantly about football.
1532
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:15,482
He said, you gotta be smart
enough to play the game
1533
01:08:15,656 --> 01:08:16,440
and dumb enough to
think it matters.
1534
01:08:16,614 --> 01:08:18,529
Well in terms of pop music,
1535
01:08:18,703 --> 01:08:20,835
I'm not quite dumb enough
to think it matters.
1536
01:08:21,009 --> 01:08:22,837
I'm just smart enough
to play the game.
1537
01:08:23,011 --> 01:08:24,665
So I put it in the context.
1538
01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:26,624
I'm a man who generates about
two and a half million dollars
1539
01:08:26,798 --> 01:08:27,842
every year, and I'm broke.
1540
01:08:28,016 --> 01:08:29,235
I mean my net worth right now,
1541
01:08:29,409 --> 01:08:30,715
my accountant told me it's zero.
1542
01:08:30,889 --> 01:08:33,979
It goes through me and I
feel that that's my security.
1543
01:08:34,153 --> 01:08:35,807
My security is to
be on the edge.
1544
01:08:35,981 --> 01:08:36,721
- What are you gonna do?
1545
01:08:36,895 --> 01:08:38,026
And what are you not gonna do?
1546
01:08:38,201 --> 01:08:39,941
And he had no idea.
1547
01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:42,292
You're traveling on the edge.
1548
01:08:42,466 --> 01:08:43,641
You know, you're always racing.
1549
01:08:43,815 --> 01:08:45,382
You're late.
1550
01:08:45,556 --> 01:08:47,601
You're traveling five times
as much as anybody else.
1551
01:08:47,775 --> 01:08:50,169
You're just upping the odds.
1552
01:08:50,343 --> 01:08:52,432
♪ And all the lips
you never kissed ♪
1553
01:08:52,606 --> 01:08:57,655
♪ Cut through you like a knife ♪
1554
01:08:58,743 --> 01:09:01,180
♪ And now you see
stretched out before thee ♪
1555
01:09:01,354 --> 01:09:05,315
♪ Just another story of a life ♪
1556
01:09:05,489 --> 01:09:07,534
- I would hate to
be 75 years old,
1557
01:09:07,708 --> 01:09:10,015
it's one of the
things that arms me,
1558
01:09:10,189 --> 01:09:12,235
and say, if only I
had, I wish I had,
1559
01:09:12,409 --> 01:09:14,498
I wonder what my life meant.
1560
01:09:14,672 --> 01:09:17,501
My credo, which might
be interesting for
1561
01:09:17,675 --> 01:09:20,721
is when in doubt, do something.
1562
01:09:20,895 --> 01:09:22,723
Because in the long run, we're
not sure about a prior life
1563
01:09:22,897 --> 01:09:24,116
or an afterlife.
1564
01:09:24,290 --> 01:09:25,465
We're all hoping for that.
1565
01:09:25,639 --> 01:09:27,815
But what we can do is
maximize what we have
1566
01:09:27,989 --> 01:09:30,601
in his brief flicker of
time, in the infinity,
1567
01:09:30,775 --> 01:09:33,038
and try to milk that.
1568
01:09:33,212 --> 01:09:35,823
Let's say there was an
imaginary automobile company
1569
01:09:35,997 --> 01:09:37,521
that built automobiles,
1570
01:09:37,695 --> 01:09:41,873
that when hit from
behind burst into flame.
1571
01:09:42,047 --> 01:09:43,353
Now nothing like that would
ever happened in the real world,
1572
01:09:43,527 --> 01:09:44,832
you know that.
1573
01:09:45,006 --> 01:09:47,183
- Ballad writer and singer
Harry Chapin died today
1574
01:09:47,357 --> 01:09:48,967
in a car crash in Long Island.
1575
01:09:49,141 --> 01:09:51,012
- [Reporter] His death came
suddenly in a fiery collision
1576
01:09:51,187 --> 01:09:53,798
with a tractor trailer truck
on a Long Island highway.
1577
01:09:53,972 --> 01:09:55,669
- [Woman] Harry was to have
given a concert last night
1578
01:09:55,843 --> 01:09:58,672
on Long Island, as usual,
it would have been free.
1579
01:09:58,846 --> 01:10:01,153
[somber music]
1580
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:11,163
- In the insecurity that
we have about a prior life
1581
01:10:11,337 --> 01:10:13,296
or an afterlife with God,
I hope there is a God.
1582
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:14,993
If he does exist, he's
got a rather weird
1583
01:10:15,167 --> 01:10:17,213
sense of humor, however.
1584
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:20,825
But if there's a process
that will allow us
1585
01:10:20,999 --> 01:10:23,349
to live our days, that
will allow us that degree
1586
01:10:23,523 --> 01:10:25,699
of equanimity towards the end,
1587
01:10:25,873 --> 01:10:28,746
looking at that black
implacable wall of death,
1588
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,661
to allow us that
degree of peace,
1589
01:10:30,835 --> 01:10:33,446
that degree of
non-fear, I want in.
1590
01:10:36,841 --> 01:10:39,235
♪ Hello, honey, it's me ♪
1591
01:10:39,409 --> 01:10:44,152
♪ What did you think when you
heard me back on the radio ♪
1592
01:10:46,764 --> 01:10:48,200
♪ What did the kids think ♪
1593
01:10:48,374 --> 01:10:52,639
♪ When they found it was
their long-lost daddy-o ♪
1594
01:10:52,813 --> 01:10:54,075
- I lived in a loft right below
1595
01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:56,948
with management loft
was Jeb and Bob Hinkle.
1596
01:10:57,122 --> 01:10:58,428
And there was a new
secretary and she comes down
1597
01:10:58,602 --> 01:10:59,603
and knocks on the door.
1598
01:10:59,777 --> 01:11:00,952
And Jeb and Bob are
waiting for Harry
1599
01:11:01,126 --> 01:11:04,042
in the city here to
talk about booking
1600
01:11:04,216 --> 01:11:06,697
and try to convince him
not to do so many benefits.
1601
01:11:06,871 --> 01:11:10,788
- On July 15th, the day
before Harry was killed,
1602
01:11:10,962 --> 01:11:14,792
there was a meeting scheduled
at ICM with the great agent,
1603
01:11:14,966 --> 01:11:19,100
Shelley Schultz, who ran
the department for ICM.
1604
01:11:19,275 --> 01:11:23,366
And this was a meeting to
really go over some specifics
1605
01:11:23,540 --> 01:11:26,673
about how we have to,
it's like a come to Jesus.
1606
01:11:26,847 --> 01:11:28,719
We've really got to
focus on the career.
1607
01:11:28,893 --> 01:11:30,938
What we're doing here
is diminishing returns.
1608
01:11:31,112 --> 01:11:32,244
You're hurting yourself.
1609
01:11:32,418 --> 01:11:34,812
And it was to try to
come up with an agreement
1610
01:11:34,986 --> 01:11:37,815
that would help Harry,
A, help his career,
1611
01:11:37,989 --> 01:11:41,862
and help him make more
money for the charities.
1612
01:11:42,036 --> 01:11:45,953
♪ Wherever you may be. ♪
1613
01:11:46,127 --> 01:11:48,042
And on July 15th, Harry
didn't show for that meeting.
1614
01:11:48,216 --> 01:11:49,479
I was really pissed.
1615
01:11:49,653 --> 01:11:52,133
I think I even called my mother.
1616
01:11:55,528 --> 01:11:57,878
So the next day it
was rescheduled.
1617
01:11:58,052 --> 01:11:59,315
So he said, I'll come tomorrow,
1618
01:11:59,489 --> 01:12:00,707
I'm sorry, I'll
just do it tomorrow.
1619
01:12:00,881 --> 01:12:02,753
So we scheduled it
for the next day.
1620
01:12:02,927 --> 01:12:03,971
When we were at the
meeting the next day,
1621
01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:07,627
and the time started to
pass and Harry wasn't there,
1622
01:12:07,801 --> 01:12:10,935
I did kind of have
a little bad feeling
1623
01:12:11,109 --> 01:12:12,850
because I had made
such a big stink,
1624
01:12:13,024 --> 01:12:14,982
Harry had been so
sheepish about it,
1625
01:12:15,156 --> 01:12:16,375
and we had set it up.
1626
01:12:16,549 --> 01:12:19,117
I just couldn't imagine
him not showing for that.
1627
01:12:19,291 --> 01:12:20,901
- I got on the phone
and it was a cop.
1628
01:12:21,075 --> 01:12:25,993
And he says, what relation
are you to the deceased?
1629
01:12:26,167 --> 01:12:28,082
And I go, what?
1630
01:12:28,256 --> 01:12:32,086
He says, and turns out someone
had died on the expressway.
1631
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:34,611
And they didn't know who it was,
1632
01:12:36,003 --> 01:12:37,701
because his wallet
had burned up.
1633
01:12:37,875 --> 01:12:40,878
He was rear ended
on the expressway
1634
01:12:41,052 --> 01:12:44,403
and died principally
because that the seatbelt
1635
01:12:44,577 --> 01:12:45,970
that was in the
Volkswagen Rabbit
1636
01:12:46,144 --> 01:12:48,059
was really a one-point seatbelt,
1637
01:12:48,233 --> 01:12:50,670
over the top of the shoulder.
1638
01:12:50,844 --> 01:12:53,107
It wasn't across his waist.
1639
01:12:53,281 --> 01:12:55,849
The driver got, busted
the window, cut his thing,
1640
01:12:56,023 --> 01:12:56,850
pulled him out.
1641
01:12:57,024 --> 01:12:58,852
So he was partly
burned his hands.
1642
01:12:59,026 --> 01:13:01,377
The way I recognized him
was that he had a watch,
1643
01:13:01,551 --> 01:13:02,769
a pocket watch on him.
1644
01:13:02,943 --> 01:13:04,902
It said from Michael Moore.
1645
01:13:06,164 --> 01:13:07,992
Harry had done benefits.
1646
01:13:08,166 --> 01:13:11,952
I told Michael Moore this
recently, he went, oh my gosh.
1647
01:13:12,126 --> 01:13:13,780
Harry had done three or four
benefits for Michael Moore
1648
01:13:13,954 --> 01:13:15,782
to start the Flint Voice
1649
01:13:15,956 --> 01:13:17,480
and then the Michigan
Voice early on.
1650
01:13:17,654 --> 01:13:19,830
As Michael Moore says, no
Harry, no Michael Moore.
1651
01:13:20,004 --> 01:13:22,876
- He was such a generous
individual, giving.
1652
01:13:23,050 --> 01:13:27,359
He didn't know me from
Adam, and he said, sure,
1653
01:13:27,533 --> 01:13:29,187
I'll come to Flint
and help you out.
1654
01:13:29,361 --> 01:13:31,842
And they gave him a watch that
said, from the Flint Voice
1655
01:13:32,016 --> 01:13:35,193
to a great American, or
something, Harry Chapin
1656
01:13:35,367 --> 01:13:36,629
from Michael Moore.
1657
01:13:36,803 --> 01:13:38,196
And I said, dad, that's Harry.
1658
01:13:38,370 --> 01:13:39,850
That's the Michael Moore watch.
1659
01:13:40,024 --> 01:13:41,678
- I was in a meeting with
the city at the time.
1660
01:13:41,852 --> 01:13:43,810
And I got a call from Tom.
1661
01:13:43,984 --> 01:13:45,856
The fact he's getting
through means it's bad.
1662
01:13:46,030 --> 01:13:47,205
Because it was a big,
big deal meeting,
1663
01:13:47,379 --> 01:13:48,989
had like, top guys
from the city.
1664
01:13:49,163 --> 01:13:52,515
I said, Tom, it's Harry
I says, is it bad?
1665
01:13:52,689 --> 01:13:53,167
He says yes, it's real bad.
1666
01:13:53,341 --> 01:13:54,386
I said, is he dead?
1667
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:55,692
He says, Yeah, he's dead.
1668
01:13:55,866 --> 01:14:00,523
♪ When I look up,
what should I see ♪
1669
01:14:03,221 --> 01:14:07,355
♪ Moon burning, stars shining ♪
1670
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:09,749
♪ Sweet silver light on me ♪
1671
01:14:09,923 --> 01:14:11,534
- I could have been in that car.
1672
01:14:11,708 --> 01:14:14,493
I've thought about
this many times.
1673
01:14:14,667 --> 01:14:17,235
And in a way my
wife saved my life
1674
01:14:17,409 --> 01:14:19,019
because she asked me to
go up to Massachusetts
1675
01:14:19,193 --> 01:14:21,544
to visit her cousin.
1676
01:14:21,718 --> 01:14:23,328
So I said to Harry,
I can't make this.
1677
01:14:23,502 --> 01:14:26,244
- We had been in Hawaii for
one of our family vacations
1678
01:14:26,418 --> 01:14:27,375
for two weeks.
1679
01:14:27,550 --> 01:14:28,899
And the rest of the
family flew back.
1680
01:14:29,073 --> 01:14:30,944
I stayed because I
had friends in Hawaii
1681
01:14:31,118 --> 01:14:34,687
and I was expected to
come back, I don't know,
1682
01:14:34,861 --> 01:14:36,341
about a week later or something.
1683
01:14:36,515 --> 01:14:39,866
And I had called the house and
no one wanted to talk to me.
1684
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,129
They said they would call me
back, which I thought was odd.
1685
01:14:42,303 --> 01:14:44,175
- I remember a
conversation between him
1686
01:14:44,349 --> 01:14:46,438
and my mom when he was
leaving that morning.
1687
01:14:46,612 --> 01:14:48,353
And there was a question
1688
01:14:48,527 --> 01:14:49,702
as to whether I was
gonna go with him.
1689
01:14:49,876 --> 01:14:51,965
Which is one of those
crazy sorta, you know,
1690
01:14:52,139 --> 01:14:53,837
I missed the plane that
crashed or whatever.
1691
01:14:54,011 --> 01:14:57,493
But so I feel like
that's part of my memory
1692
01:14:57,667 --> 01:15:00,408
is that I was sort
of kind of excited
1693
01:15:00,583 --> 01:15:02,976
and like, Oh, I'm gonna have
to spend the day with my dad.
1694
01:15:03,150 --> 01:15:04,891
And it was just sorta like,
no, it doesn't make sense,
1695
01:15:05,065 --> 01:15:06,850
you'll see him later.
1696
01:15:07,024 --> 01:15:11,115
♪ Tell me why you're
crying my son ♪
1697
01:15:11,289 --> 01:15:15,119
♪ I know you're
frightened like everyone ♪
1698
01:15:15,293 --> 01:15:17,338
- I was on the beach,
so I had no idea.
1699
01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:21,168
I remember it was dark
by the time we got back.
1700
01:15:21,342 --> 01:15:24,389
Our friend came out to
the car and she said,
1701
01:15:24,563 --> 01:15:26,391
did you hear what happened?
1702
01:15:26,565 --> 01:15:30,613
It's a horrible thing, Harry
Chapin died on the expressway.
1703
01:15:30,787 --> 01:15:32,528
And she didn't know
I was in the car.
1704
01:15:32,702 --> 01:15:34,486
So that's how I heard it.
1705
01:15:35,792 --> 01:15:40,100
♪ And if you take
my hand my son ♪
1706
01:15:40,274 --> 01:15:44,409
♪ All will be well
when the day is done ♪
1707
01:15:44,583 --> 01:15:49,196
♪ And if you take
my hand my son ♪
1708
01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:54,375
♪ All will be well
when the day is done ♪
1709
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:56,377
- I was home on long Island
1710
01:15:56,552 --> 01:15:58,249
and there were all
these different stories.
1711
01:15:58,423 --> 01:16:00,338
Oh, this happened,
or it was a crash
1712
01:16:00,512 --> 01:16:01,600
or it was a this or it was that.
1713
01:16:01,774 --> 01:16:04,037
It was just totally unexpected.
1714
01:16:04,211 --> 01:16:07,693
Because he was, he
was such a vital guy.
1715
01:16:07,867 --> 01:16:09,826
He was so alive, Harry.
1716
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,959
You just can't
imagine him the sick
1717
01:16:13,133 --> 01:16:14,961
or something like
that happening to him.
1718
01:16:15,135 --> 01:16:16,397
It's just, no, that
wouldn't happen to Harry.
1719
01:16:16,572 --> 01:16:17,224
It wouldn't happen to him.
1720
01:16:17,398 --> 01:16:19,183
And it did.
1721
01:16:19,357 --> 01:16:21,838
- We were in New York, Spyder
and I, and in my apartment.
1722
01:16:22,012 --> 01:16:23,274
And I had WNEW on.
1723
01:16:27,191 --> 01:16:30,455
And I don't even know what was
playing before or whatever,
1724
01:16:30,629 --> 01:16:32,762
but it was like a news flash.
1725
01:16:34,024 --> 01:16:35,242
We were in shock.
1726
01:16:35,416 --> 01:16:36,896
I mean, there was no
other thing to say.
1727
01:16:37,070 --> 01:16:40,117
And then just the
supreme sadness of it.
1728
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,513
Of knowing that that light
had gone out, you know,
1729
01:16:46,776 --> 01:16:49,039
just, it was hurtful.
1730
01:16:49,213 --> 01:16:49,822
- I remember crying.
1731
01:16:49,996 --> 01:16:51,737
I cried a lot, you know.
1732
01:16:55,393 --> 01:16:57,569
And my first instinct is
what my first instinct
1733
01:16:57,743 --> 01:17:01,660
has been before that and
since then, it's not fair.
1734
01:17:01,834 --> 01:17:04,358
This is the last guy
you'd expect to die young.
1735
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:06,578
Absolutely the last guy.
1736
01:17:09,363 --> 01:17:13,150
- I maybe wondered whether
there was a God up there.
1737
01:17:14,412 --> 01:17:15,674
- When Harry died, I considered
1738
01:17:15,848 --> 01:17:17,154
it the biggest loss of my life.
1739
01:17:17,328 --> 01:17:19,286
- And the universe cracked.
1740
01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:24,770
♪ Oh, well I wonder ♪
1741
01:17:24,944 --> 01:17:29,645
♪ Yes I wonder ♪
1742
01:17:31,559 --> 01:17:35,563
♪ What would happen ♪
1743
01:17:35,738 --> 01:17:40,481
♪ What would happen
to this world ♪
1744
01:17:41,787 --> 01:17:46,531
♪ Well I wonder what would
happen to this world ♪
1745
01:17:55,801 --> 01:17:58,064
- My name is Bill Ayers, and
if I can hold myself together
1746
01:17:58,238 --> 01:18:00,501
for the next couple hours here,
1747
01:18:00,676 --> 01:18:02,678
I'm supposed to lead us
through this memorial service
1748
01:18:02,852 --> 01:18:05,028
for our friend and
brother Harry Chapin.
1749
01:18:05,202 --> 01:18:07,465
- I'll never see,
never think of Harry
1750
01:18:07,639 --> 01:18:10,207
without big grin on
his face in a hurry,
1751
01:18:10,381 --> 01:18:13,732
arriving just in
time to go on stage
1752
01:18:13,906 --> 01:18:16,735
and dashing off right
afterwards because he had
1753
01:18:16,909 --> 01:18:18,389
to be somewhere
else an hour later.
1754
01:18:18,563 --> 01:18:23,307
♪ One man's hands, can't
tear a prison down ♪
1755
01:18:24,438 --> 01:18:29,139
♪ Two man's hands, can't
tear a prison down ♪
1756
01:18:30,662 --> 01:18:34,710
♪ But if two and two
and 50 make a million ♪
1757
01:18:34,884 --> 01:18:37,364
♪ We'll see that
day come round ♪
1758
01:18:37,538 --> 01:18:42,239
♪ We'll see that
day come round ♪
1759
01:18:42,413 --> 01:18:45,503
- Now Harry's wonderful,
and very loving wife, Sandy,
1760
01:18:45,677 --> 01:18:47,505
came up with the idea
1761
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,290
of a Presidential
Commission, World Hunger.
1762
01:18:50,464 --> 01:18:52,510
She gave the formidable
task to Harry.
1763
01:18:52,684 --> 01:18:54,338
I could have told
her it was impossible
1764
01:18:54,512 --> 01:18:58,037
if she'd ever asked me,
but Sandy knew better.
1765
01:18:59,778 --> 01:19:01,824
And all of us in Washington
told Harry that the President's
1766
01:19:01,998 --> 01:19:03,216
opposed to any more commissions.
1767
01:19:03,390 --> 01:19:04,696
It'd be impossible.
1768
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:06,306
There were logistical,
there were partisan reasons.
1769
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,352
There were all these reasons
why it couldn't be done.
1770
01:19:08,526 --> 01:19:10,484
Harry said, that's nice, and
now here's how we're going
1771
01:19:10,658 --> 01:19:12,486
to go about doing it.
1772
01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:20,581
♪ Now we were the kids
that made America famous ♪
1773
01:19:22,192 --> 01:19:23,584
♪ We were the kind of kids ♪
1774
01:19:23,759 --> 01:19:27,806
♪ That long since drove
our parents to despair. ♪
1775
01:19:27,980 --> 01:19:30,287
- I think we're also both
believers in the udge factor,
1776
01:19:30,461 --> 01:19:33,072
which is the combination
of all those little things
1777
01:19:33,246 --> 01:19:34,421
that people do in
many different areas
1778
01:19:34,595 --> 01:19:36,423
that end up by making
a great big udge
1779
01:19:36,597 --> 01:19:38,774
that tends to move things.
1780
01:19:38,948 --> 01:19:42,734
♪ And trying not to care. ♪
1781
01:19:42,908 --> 01:19:46,520
- Door is open, we're ushered
in to see the precedent.
1782
01:19:46,694 --> 01:19:50,481
Even at that meeting, even
after Harry beat him down
1783
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:54,528
and President Carter
agreed to go along
1784
01:19:54,702 --> 01:19:58,315
with the World Hunger
Commission, Harry wouldn't stop.
1785
01:19:58,489 --> 01:19:59,882
He continued to hammer
into the president
1786
01:20:00,056 --> 01:20:02,493
the reasons why we
had to have this.
1787
01:20:02,667 --> 01:20:05,409
The president sat there, he
said, tried to say, you know,
1788
01:20:05,583 --> 01:20:08,194
I've agreed with you,
I've agreed with you.
1789
01:20:08,368 --> 01:20:09,195
He did agree.
1790
01:20:11,589 --> 01:20:13,765
Harry wasn't gonna
let him off that easy.
1791
01:20:13,939 --> 01:20:16,420
Not just by agreeing.
1792
01:20:16,594 --> 01:20:21,338
He wanted not only to agree,
he wanted him to be committed,
1793
01:20:21,817 --> 01:20:24,210
wanted to be committed.
1794
01:20:24,384 --> 01:20:27,779
Now that's the difference
between Harry Chapin
1795
01:20:27,953 --> 01:20:32,784
and those who simply give
lip service to our cause.
1796
01:20:32,958 --> 01:20:37,702
♪ We all live the life
that made America famous ♪
1797
01:20:39,095 --> 01:20:43,839
♪ The cops would make a point
to shadow us around our town ♪
1798
01:20:45,753 --> 01:20:47,146
- Tom, I think, once said
that being brother to Harry
1799
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,453
was like being brother
to a steam engine.
1800
01:20:49,627 --> 01:20:50,584
And there's some truth to that,
I mean, that's what he was.
1801
01:20:50,758 --> 01:20:52,935
He was a source of energy,
you know, in a world,
1802
01:20:53,109 --> 01:20:55,067
unfortunately, that's
all too short of energy.
1803
01:20:55,241 --> 01:20:58,288
♪ It makes a body proud ♪
1804
01:21:01,552 --> 01:21:04,468
- And this is a song
from his last album,
1805
01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:09,516
which I thought was one
of the best he ever wrote.
1806
01:21:15,827 --> 01:21:18,656
♪ Remember when the music ♪
1807
01:21:18,830 --> 01:21:23,574
♪ Came from wooden boxes
strung with silver wire ♪
1808
01:21:24,967 --> 01:21:29,667
♪ And as we sang the words, it
would set our minds on fire, ♪
1809
01:21:30,668 --> 01:21:35,455
♪ For we believed in
things, and so we'd sing. ♪
1810
01:21:36,717 --> 01:21:39,155
♪ Remember when the music ♪
1811
01:21:39,329 --> 01:21:44,377
♪ Was the best of
what we dreamed of for
1812
01:21:45,813 --> 01:21:50,557
♪ And as we sang we worked,
for time was just a line ♪
1813
01:21:51,167 --> 01:21:55,736
♪ A gift we saved, a
gift the future gave ♪
1814
01:21:57,651 --> 01:22:01,438
- Harry had a good
insight about how people
1815
01:22:01,612 --> 01:22:05,616
should be treated, that
everybody deserves compassion.
1816
01:22:08,706 --> 01:22:11,404
- Harry really didn't care
about doing any of these things
1817
01:22:11,578 --> 01:22:13,058
to get to heaven.
1818
01:22:13,232 --> 01:22:15,974
He always figured, that would
sort of take care of itself.
1819
01:22:16,148 --> 01:22:19,499
He was doing things
because of this life.
1820
01:22:19,673 --> 01:22:22,938
♪ Or we had dreams to keep ♪
1821
01:22:31,163 --> 01:22:33,426
- I had dreams about Harry.
1822
01:22:34,601 --> 01:22:39,389
♪ Well, I dreamed I saw you
at the end of the rainbow ♪
1823
01:22:40,781 --> 01:22:45,525
♪ Years behind a young boy
started a journey to the sun. ♪
1824
01:22:45,917 --> 01:22:47,484
- Well, all of us have
had dreams about Harry,
1825
01:22:47,658 --> 01:22:48,746
I think that close to him.
1826
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,530
This is one I had.
1827
01:22:50,704 --> 01:22:53,533
So I call this the
very best place to be.
1828
01:22:53,707 --> 01:22:57,320
In my dreams, I saw him,
alive and well once more.
1829
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,065
He was ready to greet me
on a far distant shore.
1830
01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:04,892
His smile lit up
like the morning sun
1831
01:23:05,067 --> 01:23:07,243
and I could feel my spirit soar.
1832
01:23:07,417 --> 01:23:09,158
And he said, welcome my brother
1833
01:23:09,332 --> 01:23:12,509
to the treasures
we have in store.
1834
01:23:12,683 --> 01:23:17,427
♪ Watch the circle,
life is like that ♪
1835
01:23:20,169 --> 01:23:24,303
♪ Turn around and
you might be alone ♪
1836
01:23:26,827 --> 01:23:29,830
- I really got involved
in the issues of hunger
1837
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:32,007
and homelessness due to Harry.
1838
01:23:32,181 --> 01:23:36,533
♪ We are the world,
we are the children ♪
1839
01:23:38,143 --> 01:23:42,843
Literally felt, physically felt
Harry Chapin crawl inside me
1840
01:23:44,323 --> 01:23:46,108
and I felt he was
orchestrating everything.
1841
01:23:46,282 --> 01:23:51,330
♪ There's a choice we're making,
we're saving our own lives ♪
1842
01:23:52,027 --> 01:23:56,466
♪ It's true we make a better
day, just you and me ♪
1843
01:23:57,989 --> 01:23:59,730
Harry was truly the inspiration
1844
01:23:59,904 --> 01:24:02,428
for all the good works
I did since his death.
1845
01:24:02,602 --> 01:24:04,735
Things like we are the
world and the song,
1846
01:24:04,909 --> 01:24:07,912
and which is still going
strong to this day.
1847
01:24:08,086 --> 01:24:10,697
And hand across America, five
and a half million people
1848
01:24:10,871 --> 01:24:14,397
holding hands in one continuous
line from New York to LA
1849
01:24:14,571 --> 01:24:16,747
all for the purpose
of raising awareness
1850
01:24:16,921 --> 01:24:19,880
about hunger and
homelessness in America.
1851
01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,753
Inspired greatly by Harry
Chapin and his beliefs.
1852
01:24:22,927 --> 01:24:25,582
- Harry Chapin died
five years ago.
1853
01:24:27,627 --> 01:24:30,891
It was a cruel death
and a great loss.
1854
01:24:31,066 --> 01:24:35,766
But he'd thrown a pebble into
a pond and I saw the ripples.
1855
01:24:38,856 --> 01:24:42,512
Reached Geldoff, reached
me, reached Willie Nelson,
1856
01:24:43,904 --> 01:24:46,516
reached millions of
people around the world.
1857
01:24:46,690 --> 01:24:49,084
When Harry Belafonte called me,
1858
01:24:49,258 --> 01:24:52,739
I was exactly in the frame of
mind to build a lobby further
1859
01:24:52,913 --> 01:24:54,741
for USA for Africa.
1860
01:24:54,915 --> 01:24:58,702
Once we have those two,
we could extend this idea
1861
01:25:00,138 --> 01:25:02,097
to the planet, so Live Aid.
1862
01:25:05,361 --> 01:25:07,624
- Guys like Harry was
very inspirational
1863
01:25:07,798 --> 01:25:11,062
to what the whole purpose
of hip hop was for.
1864
01:25:11,236 --> 01:25:15,153
To get off your butt and do
something about the conditions.
1865
01:25:15,327 --> 01:25:19,505
- [Harry] Welcome in, welcome
in to the lost and forsaken.
1866
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:23,814
This is a better place to be,
the very best place to be.
1867
01:25:24,945 --> 01:25:28,079
♪ Life is like that ♪
1868
01:25:28,253 --> 01:25:32,388
♪ Turn around and
you might be alone ♪
1869
01:25:35,347 --> 01:25:39,221
- An incredibly generous
older brother, you know.
1870
01:25:39,395 --> 01:25:40,918
He was, as he was as a man.
1871
01:25:41,092 --> 01:25:43,790
So you got me
emotional now. [laughs]
1872
01:25:43,964 --> 01:25:47,142
- He really wanted to change
the world, and he did.
1873
01:25:47,316 --> 01:25:48,882
- Harry Chapman was posthumously
1874
01:25:49,056 --> 01:25:52,016
given the highest civilian
honor the United States
1875
01:25:52,190 --> 01:25:56,238
can bestow, the special
Congressional Gold Medal
1876
01:25:56,412 --> 01:25:59,066
was awarded a Harry for
his devotion to the issue
1877
01:25:59,241 --> 01:26:02,113
of hunger around the world.
1878
01:26:02,287 --> 01:26:06,813
This medal has been given by
Congress to only 114 citizens
1879
01:26:06,987 --> 01:26:10,600
in the more than 200 years
since the country was founded.
1880
01:26:10,774 --> 01:26:14,256
Only four other songwriters
have received the medal.
1881
01:26:14,430 --> 01:26:18,564
George and Ira Gershwin, George
M. Cohan, and Irving Berlin.
1882
01:26:18,738 --> 01:26:21,741
Other recipients include
George Washington,
1883
01:26:21,915 --> 01:26:26,181
Robert F. Kennedy, Thomas
Edison, and now Harry Chapin.
1884
01:26:39,019 --> 01:26:42,675
- [Josh] Oh if a man tried
to take his time on earth
1885
01:26:42,849 --> 01:26:45,939
and prove before he
died, what one man's life
1886
01:26:46,113 --> 01:26:50,335
could be worth, I wonder what
would happen to this world?
1887
01:26:53,469 --> 01:26:56,298
- COVID-19 is brought
out the best in people.
1888
01:26:56,472 --> 01:26:58,735
We can't forget
that 40 years ago,
1889
01:26:58,909 --> 01:27:00,737
there was one person
and one person only
1890
01:27:00,911 --> 01:27:03,522
who spoke about the
issue of food insecurity
1891
01:27:03,696 --> 01:27:04,958
and hunger in this country.
1892
01:27:05,132 --> 01:27:09,006
♪ Oh well I wonder,
yes I wonder ♪
1893
01:27:10,094 --> 01:27:14,620
And if Harry were alive
today, what would he be doing?
1894
01:27:14,794 --> 01:27:17,057
He would be doing exactly
what he did 40 years ago,
1895
01:27:17,232 --> 01:27:20,278
and that's speaking out
and creating a response.
1896
01:27:20,452 --> 01:27:22,280
He saw hunger as a
shame of America,
1897
01:27:22,454 --> 01:27:23,977
and he did something about it
1898
01:27:24,151 --> 01:27:27,416
by establishing Long Island
Cares and Why Hunger.
1899
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:29,069
How grateful should
we be as a nation
1900
01:27:29,244 --> 01:27:30,941
that's 40 years after he's gone,
1901
01:27:31,115 --> 01:27:34,858
this man's legacy continues
stronger than ever?
1902
01:27:39,863 --> 01:27:42,735
- [Noreen] We certainly have
helped millions of people,
1903
01:27:42,909 --> 01:27:44,998
hundreds of thousands
of kids in the summer,
1904
01:27:45,172 --> 01:27:46,870
every year annually.
1905
01:27:47,044 --> 01:27:50,700
We help hundreds of
thousands of callers
1906
01:27:50,874 --> 01:27:52,702
that reach out to our hotline.
1907
01:27:52,876 --> 01:27:54,921
And through our
direct partnerships
1908
01:27:55,095 --> 01:27:58,969
with grassroots organizations
who are feeding people,
1909
01:27:59,143 --> 01:28:02,755
serving food, we have been
able to build their capacity
1910
01:28:02,929 --> 01:28:05,236
to serve millions of people.
1911
01:28:05,410 --> 01:28:07,369
♪ I wonder, yes I wonder ♪
1912
01:28:07,543 --> 01:28:09,762
♪ Yes I wonder, yes I wonder ♪
1913
01:28:09,936 --> 01:28:11,938
♪ What would happen,
what would happen ♪
1914
01:28:12,112 --> 01:28:14,941
♪ What would happen
to this world ♪
1915
01:28:15,115 --> 01:28:20,033
♪ Well I wonder what would
happen to this world ♪
1916
01:28:20,207 --> 01:28:22,688
- [Paule] We take care of
people's fundamental wellbeing.
1917
01:28:22,862 --> 01:28:25,909
We don't ask questions
about income.
1918
01:28:26,083 --> 01:28:28,607
We don't ask questions
about immigration status.
1919
01:28:28,781 --> 01:28:31,044
We don't ask about
people's resources.
1920
01:28:31,218 --> 01:28:34,396
All we know is that
people are struggling.
1921
01:28:40,315 --> 01:28:41,707
- Yes, I'm hopeful.
1922
01:28:41,881 --> 01:28:45,102
I'm out there each and
every day trying to bring
1923
01:28:45,276 --> 01:28:48,888
to the conversation of why
is there hunger and poverty?
1924
01:28:49,062 --> 01:28:51,978
And I think both Bill
and Harry would be happy
1925
01:28:52,152 --> 01:28:54,416
to the fact to see that the
organization, Why Hunger,
1926
01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:58,420
has not only tackled
that question locally,
1927
01:28:58,594 --> 01:29:01,771
but has really tackled
that question globally.
1928
01:29:01,945 --> 01:29:04,077
♪ Do we join the parade ♪
1929
01:29:04,251 --> 01:29:06,079
♪ Or do we try and turn around ♪
1930
01:29:06,253 --> 01:29:11,302
♪ Well, I wonder what would
happen to this world ♪
1931
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:15,872
- First, they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
1932
01:29:16,046 --> 01:29:18,614
then they fight
you, then you win.
1933
01:29:23,619 --> 01:29:24,663
He few things right.
1934
01:29:24,837 --> 01:29:27,362
- But I think Harry
instinctively knew
1935
01:29:27,536 --> 01:29:30,408
that it was gonna take a lot
more than just love to survive,
1936
01:29:30,582 --> 01:29:34,064
that it was gonna take a
strong sense of purpose,
1937
01:29:34,238 --> 01:29:38,677
a duty, and a good clear eye
on the dirty ways of the world.
1938
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,337
And so in keeping his
promise to himself,
1939
01:29:47,599 --> 01:29:50,950
he reminds us of our
promise to ourselves.
1940
01:29:51,124 --> 01:29:53,736
And then tonight,
alongside Harry,
1941
01:29:56,086 --> 01:30:00,177
it's that promise that his
spirit would have us remember
1942
01:30:02,701 --> 01:30:04,399
and honor and recommit,
1943
01:30:06,879 --> 01:30:07,967
so do something.
1944
01:30:10,056 --> 01:30:12,755
And may his song be song.
1945
01:30:12,929 --> 01:30:15,975
[audience clapping]
1946
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:18,282
♪ Remember when the music ♪
1947
01:30:18,456 --> 01:30:23,505
♪ Was a glow on the
horizon of a newborn day ♪
1948
01:30:24,375 --> 01:30:29,119
♪ And as we sang, the sun come
up and chase the dark away ♪
1949
01:30:30,250 --> 01:30:34,994
♪ And life was good,
for we knew we could ♪
1950
01:30:35,342 --> 01:30:37,519
- Life is not a neat entity.
1951
01:30:37,693 --> 01:30:39,956
It's a Grade C movie.
1952
01:30:40,130 --> 01:30:41,174
It's not a Grade a movie
1953
01:30:41,348 --> 01:30:43,220
where everything
neatly fits into place.
1954
01:30:43,394 --> 01:30:44,830
It's sloppy.
1955
01:30:45,004 --> 01:30:48,225
But the final analysis it's
terribly, terribly exciting
1956
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:50,967
and to, in a sense,
immerse yourself into it
1957
01:30:51,141 --> 01:30:55,232
and all those complexities
rather than hide from it.
1958
01:30:59,323 --> 01:31:02,065
[harmonica wailing]
1959
01:31:09,507 --> 01:31:12,249
[audience cheering]
1960
01:31:16,296 --> 01:31:17,820
I believe in believers.
1961
01:31:17,994 --> 01:31:20,605
At a time when there's
gigantic questions,
1962
01:31:20,779 --> 01:31:22,259
engagement is the answer.
1963
01:31:22,433 --> 01:31:24,261
I love, however, when
you find some kind
1964
01:31:24,435 --> 01:31:27,177
of perverse patterns, and
that's what circles to me are.
1965
01:31:27,351 --> 01:31:29,527
Hey, Tom Chapin,
come on out here
1966
01:31:29,701 --> 01:31:32,965
and help us do
something, come on.
1967
01:31:33,139 --> 01:31:35,794
I wrote this thing
for you, here we go.
1968
01:31:39,232 --> 01:31:42,322
- [Sandy] Everybody learning
and growing and sharing
1969
01:31:42,497 --> 01:31:45,761
and moving, because
otherwise it's a dead end.
1970
01:31:45,935 --> 01:31:49,112
♪ All my life's a circle ♪
1971
01:31:49,286 --> 01:31:52,550
♪ Sunrise and sundown ♪
1972
01:31:52,724 --> 01:31:55,988
♪ The moon rolls
through the nighttime ♪
1973
01:31:56,162 --> 01:31:59,426
♪ 'Til the daybreak
comes around ♪
1974
01:31:59,601 --> 01:32:03,387
♪ All my life's a circle ♪
1975
01:32:03,561 --> 01:32:06,869
♪ But I can't tell you why ♪
1976
01:32:07,043 --> 01:32:09,959
♪ Season's spinning
round again ♪
1977
01:32:10,133 --> 01:32:15,181
♪ The years keep rollin' by ♪
1978
01:32:16,095 --> 01:32:19,011
♪ It seems like I've
been here before ♪
1979
01:32:19,185 --> 01:32:22,754
♪ And I sure remember when ♪
1980
01:32:22,928 --> 01:32:26,279
♪ And I got this funny feeling ♪
1981
01:32:26,453 --> 01:32:30,196
♪ That we'll all
get together again ♪
1982
01:32:30,370 --> 01:32:32,503
♪ And again, and again,
and again, and again ♪
1983
01:32:32,677 --> 01:32:34,592
- [Woman] Think you've
really made a difference.
1984
01:32:34,766 --> 01:32:37,029
- I don't know, but I've been
involved with the good people
1985
01:32:37,203 --> 01:32:40,859
with alive hearts, alive
heads, and alive acts.
1986
01:32:46,865 --> 01:32:50,652
♪ All my life's a circle ♪
1987
01:32:50,826 --> 01:32:54,394
♪ But I can't tell you why ♪
1988
01:32:54,569 --> 01:32:58,268
♪ Season's spinning
round again ♪
1989
01:32:58,442 --> 01:33:02,664
♪ The years keep rollin' by ♪
1990
01:33:02,838 --> 01:33:05,841
- I miss him, and I
miss what he missed.
1991
01:33:07,973 --> 01:33:09,235
Here we are talking about him.
1992
01:33:09,409 --> 01:33:12,021
Harry, you're still here, baby.
1993
01:33:12,195 --> 01:33:15,502
- Let's put your hands together
and have a great big ending!
1994
01:33:15,677 --> 01:33:19,637
♪ And the years
keep on rollin' by ♪
1995
01:33:34,260 --> 01:33:36,393
- [Harry] You guys
are outrageous.
1996
01:33:36,567 --> 01:33:40,092
Steve Chapin, Big John
Wallace, Howard Fields,
1997
01:33:40,266 --> 01:33:42,921
Doug Walker, Yvonne
Cable, Tom Chapin.
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