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- I'm kate snow, and this is
"dateline: Secrets uncovered."
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Deep in the woods,
a family lives in fear.
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- "what are you gonna do
if they come back?"
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- Of a threat from strangers.
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- "daddy will protect us.
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"daddy won't let anything bad
happen to you."
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- So, when the strangers arrive,
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A father takes matters
into his own hands.
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- I hear a crack, crack, crack,
gunfire.
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- The terror, the bullets--
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This was, like,
shooting fish in a barrel.
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- Glass is exploding--
just complete chaos.
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- The crime scene
caught on camera.
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- Anybody in the vehicle,
let me see your hands!
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- It was bad.
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Worse than anything
you would see in a movie.
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- Sometimes I've cried
for my dad.
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- Was this a murder?
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- Every day,
I think of that.
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- Alls I could think of,
is my kids.
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What about my kids?
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♪♪
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- Hello, and welcome to
"dateline: Secrets uncovered."
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It was supposed to be
a relaxing 4th of July
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In the sierra nevada mountains,
but one fateful night,
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A family getaway
turned into a holiday horror.
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A father,
determined to defend his home,
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Chased down
a carload of strangers.
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The deadly showdown
that followed
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Would divide a town
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Until one man's
battle for justice
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Exposed a stunning secret.
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Here's keith morrison
with "miles from nowhere."
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♪♪
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- It was in the dark
that the fear began,
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In the dark, with the sounds
of the black night around them
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That had grew and grew.
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- They terrorized our family,
our friends.
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- Who was out there
in the dark,
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Here, miles and miles
into primeval woods,
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So far from safety,
from civilized protection?
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- They could just
come onto our property
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And invade our lives.
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- But on a summer night
deep in the california sierra,
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The terror
came out of the dark,
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Came after them,
to take everything.
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[crying, whimpering]
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- The terrible,
desperate chase,
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Its awful end,
and now the question--
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What really happened
out there in the dark?
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- Stand up!
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- I still feel like
I need to go help him.
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- It looks so innocent now,
closed up, dead quiet, empty,
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Here in its place at the end
of a 100-yard dirt track
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That snakes off
this lonely country road
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Deep in the sierra nevada,
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But this was not how it was
or was ever meant to be.
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No...
Before it happened,
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Before that summer night
in July 2011,
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This was...
Well, let them tell it.
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- She said, "magical place."
- very-- it's fun.
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It's awesome.
It's fun.
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- Mostly, at winter,
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We would do
a snowball-ball fight,
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And then we would
come inside and eat
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And have some hot cocoa.
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- These are
the wallin-reed children.
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Darlin is the eldest,
then georgia,
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And little gregory.
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Mostly, they lived
in reno, nevada,
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But this-this at the end of
a two-hour drive into the woods,
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This was the place
they lived.
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- We'd go on hikes,
and there is, like, a lake
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That was very close.
- And we would fish.
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- And we'd swim.
- And we'd fish,
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And we'd go up there,
and we'd fish and swim.
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It was pretty much awesome.
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- Here, they discovered
a world far more magical
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Than any city
could ever be.
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It was their father's cabin,
really-- chad wallin-reed.
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Chad's grandparents
built the cabin the '70s
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When he was just a baby.
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- My children were definitely,
"daddy, we love the place."
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They've all grown up,
in diapers,
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All the way through,
goin' up there.
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- Mind you,
this was truly remote.
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Their only electricity
came from a generator.
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There was no cell phone service,
no phone at all,
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Which was just fine
with chad's wife, kerri.
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- It was very enjoyable
to be away from the phones,
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And traffic,
and, you know, work.
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[laughing]
- yeah.
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This is where chad taught
his children how to exist
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In the natural world,
how to catch a fish,
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Swim in a mountain lake,
feel safe in the dark.
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- He's an amazing father.
He loves his children so much.
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- The children saw the world
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And certainly their retreat
here in the country
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As a safe place for them,
just as it should be,
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And keeping it that way was
chad's particular preoccupation.
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Chad worried a lot
about safety, about security,
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Which may have come,
in part at least,
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From his time
in the military.
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He was, he said,
an army ranger,
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One of the elite few.
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Though, like a lot of vets,
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He seemed to carry
some baggage.
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- There's just some things
I'd rather not talk about
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And-and things that
I've tried to, uh, get over.
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I guess.
- Right.
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Kerri didn't pry.
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Let him deal with it
his own way.
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- Between himself
and the lord.
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He loves this country.
- Mm-hmm.
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- He, you know,
fought for our freedom,
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And it means a lot to him.
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- And now,
between the children
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And whatever was out there
in the woods
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Were only their parents.
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The nearest sheriff's office
almost an hour's drive away.
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Had to be your own policeman.
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That was how you felt?
- Yes.
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We had to protect ourselves.
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There was nobody else there
to protect us.
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- And out here,
that was no idle worry.
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Break-ins are not uncommon
in the isolated cabins
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Up here in the wilderness.
And theirs?
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- Oh, the cabin
has been broken in,
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You know, numerous times.
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- There's something very
invasive about that, too,
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When somebody goes into
property that's yours
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And takes something of yours.
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- It is.
It's not just invasive.
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It robs you of security.
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- Security was why chad
gave kerri a revolver,
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Taught her how to use it,
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And stocked the cabin
with guns,
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Including a favorite,
his ar-15,
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A lot like
his military weapon,
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Security and pleasure.
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What's the attraction
of those?
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- I think it's just the fun
in shooting 'em.
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It's just...
[laughing]
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You know, being able to put
a-a 30-round magazine
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And then set up a target
and just go at it.
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- Chad planted signs
at the edge of his property
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Out by the road,
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Stern warnings to would-be
vandals and thieves,
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And he watched, vigilant,
didn't rest easy,
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Especially because
one of those break-ins
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Had been
just that very year.
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- And if-if you did fall asleep,
it was very lightly,
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And every-every noise
would wake you up very easily.
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- Then, the 4th of July
weekend, 2011,
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The wallin-reeds
were joined by some friends
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Who set up a little campsite
on the property
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Near the road.
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- Just enjoying
each other's company
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And hanging out.
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- But early on
the Saturday morning,
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About 2 a.M.,
chad was jolted awake.
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- All of a sudden, I heard
all this yelling and commotion,
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And it sounded like
somebody was fighting,
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And I looked out,
and I saw this spotlight
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Being shined
all over the place,
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And I was like,
what the heck is goin' on?
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And then I walk out, and, uh,
as I'm lookin' down,
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This car goes speeding away.
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- Chad hopped in his truck.
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Drove to the end
of the driveway.
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- And that's when I noticed
one of the solar lights
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Had been taken.
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- A solar light,
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One of several
attached to metal poles
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Marking the edge
of the property,
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A cheap item, but still...
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Why would somebody
want one of those?
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- I don't know.
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- When morning came,
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Chad inspected
his friend's campsite
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Near the bottom
of the property.
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Were those footprints
of strangers
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Around their trailer?
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- It put us on-on edge,
you know, basically high alert.
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- I remember asking
my dad and mom,
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"what are you gonna do
if they come back,
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"and what would happen
if somebody got hurt?"
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- To witness your children
scared like that and insecure,
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And you, as a parent,
have failed,
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You know,
and that's how I felt was,
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As a father, as a--
as a person that,
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You know, supposed
to protect your family,
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And alls I could do
was offer words.
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"honey, if they come back,
daddy will--
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"daddy will protect you.
Daddy will take care of it."
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- A promise
he intended to keep.
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- What happened
the next night
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Would change
their lives forever.
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- I picked up the pistol
that was in my cup holder
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And pointed it
out the window.
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- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
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♪♪
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- Saturday morning,
July 4th weekend, 2011--
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Chad wallin-reed
and his family were on edge.
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Strangers had come very close,
middle of the night,
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Strangers who stole
a solar light
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And may have been
tramping around
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On their property.
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And suddenly,
the cabin felt more remote,
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The woods less like home,
and the children...
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- They asked,
"what if they come back
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And come all the way up
to the cabin? What if...?"
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- So, what did you say?
- "daddy will protect us.
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"daddy, you know, daddy won't
let anything bad happen to you."
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It was-- it was scary.
It was scary to me.
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- Then, that afternoon,
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While chad was away
on an errand,
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Kerri looked out
the window,
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And there was a jeep
heading up the long driveway
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Driven by a young man
she did not know.
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- He sat there for a while
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And like he was
lookin' around for somethin'.
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I had the kids stay down,
out of sight,
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So-so they wouldn't be seen.
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- Was he lost?
Looking for help?
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She took no chances.
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She reached for the gun
chad had taught her how to use.
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- I had my revolver,
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And I was headed
towards the door.
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- And then whoever it was
backed up and drove away.
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So, what did that do
to your level of anxiety
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That weekend?
- Oh, it-it was high.
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- Ramped it up some more.
- Oh, yes.
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- That evening,
still on edge,
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Kerri and the kids
watched a movie
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And fell asleep
on the couch.
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Chad sat outside
with his visiting friends,
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Who had set up camp
on his property.
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- We were just sittin' there
on the porch,
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Kickin' back, relaxin',
bsin'.
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- The story
of what happened next
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Is both complex
and, as you'll see, disputed,
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Which is why we have shot
our own video
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To help us
illustrate events.
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It was 9 or 10 p.M.,
said chad,
246
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When his friends
noticed a car.
247
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- And then they said,
248
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"it just shut
off his headlights
249
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"and pulled up
into the driveway."
250
00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:39,063
- What was going on?
That car the night before,
251
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The jeep that came up
the drive that very afternoon,
252
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And now strangers
were out there, again.
253
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- I picked up the ar
that was sittin'--
254
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It was sittin' right there
next to me.
255
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- His ar-15 bushmaster.
256
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[gunshot]
he fired a warning shot.
257
00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,480
- And then, uh,
258
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I just remember seein'
some guy runnin' away.
259
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- But would a warning
be enough?
260
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These had to be the same men
who came the night before.
261
00:12:05,024 --> 00:12:06,791
Now, here they were
a second time.
262
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These guys were bad news.
263
00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:11,295
I said, "I'm gonna try
and catch up to these guys.
264
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"you know, go get 'em.
You know, catch 'em."
265
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Get their license plate
or get their information
266
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Or somethin', you know,
267
00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:19,972
Because it was apparent
that this was more than
268
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Just we're here to play
and joke around with you.
269
00:12:23,577 --> 00:12:26,110
- Chad jumped in his truck
and gave chase,
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Barreling up
the twisty mountain road
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At up to 50 miles an hour.
272
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- As I was comin' up behind 'em,
somebody leaned out the, uh,
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The passenger side
of the vehicle
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And was shining
a million power spotlight.
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I mean,
it was just blinding.
276
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And then, uh, next thing
I know, as I'm lookin' up,
277
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I see these three flashes,
278
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And then I hear crack,
crack, crack, crack.
279
00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,669
It was, uh, the sound of,
you know, gunfire.
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- A sound chad knew
very well.
281
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He'd been in the army,
remember.
282
00:12:56,609 --> 00:12:57,743
So, what'd you do?
283
00:12:57,811 --> 00:13:01,080
- I, uh, picked up the pistol
that was in my cupholder,
284
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Chambered a round,
285
00:13:02,049 --> 00:13:03,681
And pointed it
out the window,
286
00:13:03,683 --> 00:13:07,352
And let, you know,
let off a few rounds and...
287
00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:10,755
- Did you hit anything?
- Not that I could tell, no.
288
00:13:10,757 --> 00:13:13,724
- Someone in the car ahead threw
solar lights out the window,
289
00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:15,293
Then waved something.
290
00:13:15,361 --> 00:13:19,631
- Like a piece of plastic,
somethin' shiny flyin' out,
291
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You know,
or hanging out a window,
292
00:13:21,167 --> 00:13:23,769
And, uh,
we kept on proceeding.
293
00:13:23,837 --> 00:13:26,839
- Back in the cabin,
kerri lay tense on the couch.
294
00:13:26,906 --> 00:13:29,907
Her three kids
sleeping beside her.
295
00:13:29,976 --> 00:13:33,177
- I was just, like,
in my mind, thinkin',
296
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Where are you?
297
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[laughing]
come home.
298
00:13:36,449 --> 00:13:42,187
You know, is everything okay?
I hope everything is okay.
299
00:13:42,255 --> 00:13:43,855
- Chad was still
in hot pursuit.
300
00:13:43,923 --> 00:13:45,356
Seven point six miles
they went,
301
00:13:45,425 --> 00:13:47,258
Careening up
the windy country road,
302
00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,126
Until the car
took a quick turn
303
00:13:49,195 --> 00:13:52,797
Onto a remote dirt road.
Chad right behind.
304
00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,865
- They did some fishtails,
305
00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:57,136
You know, like they had
slid the car,
306
00:13:57,203 --> 00:13:59,103
And at one point,
the passenger door
307
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Just started to open up,
308
00:14:00,206 --> 00:14:02,140
And I thought, you know,
these guys are gonna get out.
309
00:14:02,142 --> 00:14:05,476
They're gonna, you know,
they're gonna come at me.
310
00:14:05,478 --> 00:14:08,479
- The dirt road
emptied into a meadow,
311
00:14:08,548 --> 00:14:11,150
And the car
suddenly made a 180.
312
00:14:11,217 --> 00:14:12,683
And it looked like they were
comin' straight at you.
313
00:14:12,685 --> 00:14:13,684
- Yeah, I mean--
- like an--
314
00:14:13,753 --> 00:14:16,722
Looking like an assault.
- Right.
315
00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:20,558
- Were they gonna shoot him?
Ram him? What?
316
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- In military and in police,
317
00:14:23,496 --> 00:14:26,163
That's what we call
an escalation of tactics
318
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Until somebody, you know,
either backs down,
319
00:14:28,301 --> 00:14:30,568
Or the threat
is neutralized.
320
00:14:30,637 --> 00:14:35,073
- The other car kept coming.
Chad grabbed the ar-15.
321
00:14:35,141 --> 00:14:39,110
- And I just shoved it out
the window and fired off.
322
00:14:39,179 --> 00:14:40,177
- Where were they
compared to you?
323
00:14:40,246 --> 00:14:41,313
So, they were coming
this way.
324
00:14:41,381 --> 00:14:43,582
- They were right--
- right beside you.
325
00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:45,383
- Right, right.
326
00:14:45,451 --> 00:14:47,319
- How many shots did you--
327
00:14:47,387 --> 00:14:50,588
- I don't recall.
I just--
328
00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:53,157
- Just let it go.
- Right.
329
00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:56,727
- Chad watched his enemies'
driver's side window blow out.
330
00:14:56,796 --> 00:14:59,330
Glass rained down
on the meadow.
331
00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:02,333
The strangers' car
veered across the grass
332
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And came to rest
on the dirt road.
333
00:15:06,072 --> 00:15:09,807
- I just drove over to 'em,
and I was yelling at them,
334
00:15:09,876 --> 00:15:13,678
And, uh, I just remember
this-this young voice saying,
335
00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,147
Uh, "I give up. I give up.
I give up.
336
00:15:16,216 --> 00:15:21,353
"we're sorry, but, you know,
please don't kill me."
337
00:15:21,421 --> 00:15:25,490
It, uh, it doesn't make you
feel very good
338
00:15:25,558 --> 00:15:29,895
"to have somebody pleading
and begging for their life."
339
00:15:29,963 --> 00:15:33,230
- Chad's protective fury
lessened for a moment
340
00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:36,701
And then...
- I remember him yelling,
341
00:15:36,769 --> 00:15:42,773
Um, "I have
a three-month-old daughter."
342
00:15:42,842 --> 00:15:46,644
And alls I could think of
was my kids.
343
00:15:46,646 --> 00:15:49,114
Thinking you're-you're yelling
at me about your daughter
344
00:15:49,182 --> 00:15:51,782
And look what you just did.
345
00:15:51,851 --> 00:15:54,186
You know,
what about my kids?
346
00:15:54,253 --> 00:15:56,654
Did you ever consider
my kids?
347
00:15:56,656 --> 00:15:58,656
- Who were these men
in the car?
348
00:15:58,725 --> 00:16:00,458
What did they want?
349
00:16:00,527 --> 00:16:03,194
Here in the dark,
miles from nowhere,
350
00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:06,831
What had just happened,
and what was about to?
351
00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:14,338
- Back home, chad faces
the reality of what's happened.
352
00:16:14,407 --> 00:16:19,410
- I just remember
this lost look on her face,
353
00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,880
And I was just saying,
"I'm sorry."
354
00:16:21,948 --> 00:16:24,916
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
355
00:16:28,153 --> 00:16:34,626
♪♪
356
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- Late evening,
a remote mountain meadow
357
00:16:37,163 --> 00:16:39,630
In california's high sierra,
358
00:16:39,699 --> 00:16:41,432
His ar-15 at the ready,
359
00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:43,267
Chad wallin-reed
approached the car
360
00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:46,103
Full of men he believed
had been terrorizing him--
361
00:16:46,172 --> 00:16:47,572
Him, and his wife,
and his children,
362
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,574
And his peace.
363
00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:53,010
He carried his rifle
just like the army trained him.
364
00:16:53,079 --> 00:16:53,978
- I was at the ready.
365
00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:56,648
Hey, if-if they
came out of that vehicle
366
00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:59,383
And made any-any movements,
367
00:16:59,452 --> 00:17:01,051
You know, I could see
their hands, and, you know,
368
00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:02,453
I'd approach the vehicle.
369
00:17:02,455 --> 00:17:04,922
- This is the car
chad shot at.
370
00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:07,025
As he checked out
the inside, clearing it,
371
00:17:07,094 --> 00:17:08,693
As they say
in the military,
372
00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:11,196
He saw the driver
had been hit.
373
00:17:11,264 --> 00:17:14,065
- He was hunched over
the steering wheel,
374
00:17:14,133 --> 00:17:15,200
And then, uh,
375
00:17:15,268 --> 00:17:16,935
When I got into the
driver's side of the vehicle,
376
00:17:17,003 --> 00:17:21,206
He was laid back, and, uh,
his head was-was down.
377
00:17:21,274 --> 00:17:22,873
I mean, I didn't check
for a pulse
378
00:17:22,942 --> 00:17:24,875
Or anything like that,
379
00:17:24,877 --> 00:17:27,879
But, uh, there was a bullet,
you know, wound in his neck.
380
00:17:27,947 --> 00:17:29,680
- Were they--
some of the others
381
00:17:29,682 --> 00:17:31,549
Were wounded, also, right?
382
00:17:31,551 --> 00:17:33,885
- At that point in time,
I didn't know.
383
00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:36,354
- Nor did chad know
any of the men in the car,
384
00:17:36,356 --> 00:17:37,488
Who they were,
385
00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:39,358
Why they'd
approached his home,
386
00:17:39,425 --> 00:17:41,492
But once he saw
they no longer posed a threat,
387
00:17:41,561 --> 00:17:43,027
He said, he told the men
388
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:45,563
He'd do what he could
to find help for them.
389
00:17:45,632 --> 00:17:47,698
- I said, "I'm gonna go call
the sheriff."
390
00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:49,368
- And he drove
the seven and a half miles
391
00:17:49,435 --> 00:17:51,235
Back to his cabin.
392
00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:52,537
As you're driving back,
393
00:17:52,605 --> 00:17:54,171
As you're now
trying to figure out
394
00:17:54,173 --> 00:17:55,240
What the hell you've done,
395
00:17:55,308 --> 00:17:56,841
What was going on
in your heart,
396
00:17:56,909 --> 00:17:58,109
Your mind, your soul?
397
00:17:58,111 --> 00:18:00,111
- An assessment.
- Uh-huh.
398
00:18:00,179 --> 00:18:03,047
- Somebody is either dead
or dying.
399
00:18:03,115 --> 00:18:05,583
Something very serious
has happened here.
400
00:18:05,585 --> 00:18:07,519
What steps do we go through?
401
00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:10,121
- None of that drive
was occupied with the,
402
00:18:10,123 --> 00:18:12,390
"oh, my god, what the hell
have I done?"
403
00:18:12,392 --> 00:18:15,259
- No, no, uh-uh.
404
00:18:15,328 --> 00:18:17,261
- When he pulled
into the driveway,
405
00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:19,263
Chad was greeted
by his friends.
406
00:18:19,332 --> 00:18:21,465
They had seen him race off
into the night.
407
00:18:21,467 --> 00:18:23,801
Now, he told them
what happened.
408
00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:25,870
- And I said,
"I caught up to 'em.
409
00:18:25,872 --> 00:18:27,538
You know, they shot at me,
I shot back,
410
00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,607
And I think
I killed one of 'em."
411
00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:32,410
And at first, everybody
was like, ahh, you know,
412
00:18:32,412 --> 00:18:33,811
Just laughin'
and stuff like that.
413
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,483
And I said, "no, I-I-I think
I killed one of 'em."
414
00:18:38,551 --> 00:18:41,485
- Chad's wife, kerri,
up in the cabin with the kids,
415
00:18:41,487 --> 00:18:43,888
Couldn't tell
what chad was saying outside.
416
00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:45,689
- It felt like much longer
than it actually was
417
00:18:45,758 --> 00:18:47,091
For him to get out
of the truck
418
00:18:47,093 --> 00:18:49,693
And to-to come inside
the cabin,
419
00:18:49,762 --> 00:18:51,428
And then he came inside.
420
00:18:51,497 --> 00:18:53,163
- And she's like, "well, what,
you know, what happened?"
421
00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:56,635
I said, "you know,
I took off after 'em,
422
00:18:56,702 --> 00:19:00,971
"and, uh, I think I killed
one of 'em."
423
00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:03,241
- He was so upset.
424
00:19:03,243 --> 00:19:08,846
He-he looked as if
he continued to talk,
425
00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:10,715
That he would just not
be able to maintain
426
00:19:10,717 --> 00:19:13,117
Any composure whatsoever.
427
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:18,256
- And I just remember-- I just
remember her looking at me,
428
00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:23,127
And, uh, I couldn't tell
what the look was about,
429
00:19:23,129 --> 00:19:30,467
Whether, you know,
it was a relief from her,
430
00:19:30,536 --> 00:19:39,077
Or it was a, uh,
who are you?
431
00:19:39,145 --> 00:19:44,281
I mean, it was some kind of
look of accusation, I guess,
432
00:19:44,350 --> 00:19:50,354
And, you know, I just remember
just this lost look on her face
433
00:19:50,423 --> 00:19:53,358
I've never, ever seen
in my entire life,
434
00:19:53,426 --> 00:19:59,498
And I was just sayin',
"I'm sorry. I'm sorry."
435
00:19:59,565 --> 00:20:03,768
- But what should he do?
Chad wasn't exactly sure.
436
00:20:03,836 --> 00:20:05,703
He turned
to his friend, jason.
437
00:20:05,771 --> 00:20:07,438
- I was thinking,
well, maybe I could go back,
438
00:20:07,506 --> 00:20:09,908
And one of us could go
and make a phone call,
439
00:20:09,976 --> 00:20:12,710
And one of us
could go back and help,
440
00:20:12,779 --> 00:20:13,711
But jason was like,
441
00:20:13,779 --> 00:20:16,914
"no. Going back
would be a terrible idea."
442
00:20:16,916 --> 00:20:20,784
And he said,
"we need to go and call 911."
443
00:20:20,853 --> 00:20:23,655
- Remember, their cabin
didn't have a telephone.
444
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:26,390
So, kerri got dressed,
and then she, and chad,
445
00:20:26,392 --> 00:20:28,993
And their friend drove the
winding road down the mountain
446
00:20:29,061 --> 00:20:31,862
Toward the main highway,
perhaps nine miles down,
447
00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:34,398
Hunting for a spot
with cell phone reception.
448
00:20:34,467 --> 00:20:37,735
- I called out,
and I'd gotten through,
449
00:20:37,803 --> 00:20:40,338
And right as, you know,
I was talking to the lady,
450
00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:41,939
The call dropped,
451
00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:44,608
And then I had to drive down
a little bit farther.
452
00:20:44,677 --> 00:20:46,478
We were able to make a call
out there.
453
00:20:52,685 --> 00:20:54,151
- He was concerned,
he said,
454
00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:56,086
About getting help
for the wounded.
455
00:20:56,155 --> 00:20:58,555
- In my mind, was
how are they gonna find
456
00:20:58,624 --> 00:21:00,492
These, you know,
individuals?
457
00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:02,026
How are they gonna
get there to help them?
458
00:21:02,094 --> 00:21:03,160
I mean, they're out
in the middle of nowhere
459
00:21:03,229 --> 00:21:04,828
On a dirt road.
460
00:21:04,897 --> 00:21:07,298
- This northern stretch
of the sierra nevada
461
00:21:07,366 --> 00:21:09,266
Is an up and down world
of river gorges
462
00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:11,635
And mountain peaks,
difficult to forage,
463
00:21:11,637 --> 00:21:14,072
And far from any towns
or resorts.
464
00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:16,040
The few deputies on patrol
465
00:21:16,042 --> 00:21:18,510
Are scattered
over a vast wilderness,
466
00:21:18,577 --> 00:21:21,111
And so it's not
altogether surprising
467
00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:25,249
That one of the first lawmen
to respond to chad's 911 call
468
00:21:25,251 --> 00:21:27,851
Turned out to be
a game warden.
469
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,723
What is surprising,
is who was riding with him,
470
00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,926
A photographer of all people,
471
00:21:34,994 --> 00:21:38,128
One of the first to reach
the scene of the shooting,
472
00:21:38,197 --> 00:21:40,364
And the images
he captured...
473
00:21:40,433 --> 00:21:41,331
- It was bad.
474
00:21:41,401 --> 00:21:42,333
Worse than anything
you would see in a movie,
475
00:21:42,401 --> 00:21:43,701
I'll tell ya that.
476
00:21:47,507 --> 00:21:49,474
- The horrifying
real life scene
477
00:21:49,542 --> 00:21:51,542
That first responders found.
478
00:21:51,610 --> 00:21:54,778
- I just remember seeing this
hand come up out of the grass.
479
00:21:54,847 --> 00:21:57,482
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
480
00:22:01,287 --> 00:22:05,823
♪♪
481
00:22:05,891 --> 00:22:08,425
- Welcome back to
"dateline: Secrets uncovered."
482
00:22:08,494 --> 00:22:09,760
I'm kate snow.
483
00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:13,297
Chad wallin-reed opened fire
on a car full of men
484
00:22:13,299 --> 00:22:15,165
He believed
had been threatening
485
00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:16,700
His wife and children.
486
00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:20,170
Chad told family and friends
he may have killed one of them
487
00:22:20,239 --> 00:22:22,040
And injured several others,
488
00:22:22,108 --> 00:22:24,709
But officials were about
to find a crime scene
489
00:22:24,777 --> 00:22:27,177
With its own secrets
to reveal.
490
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:31,916
Back to keith morrison
with "miles from nowhere."
491
00:22:31,984 --> 00:22:33,451
- In the high sierra,
492
00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:36,787
The life of a game warden
is a solitary one,
493
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:40,725
Hours of driving along
back country roads alone.
494
00:22:40,793 --> 00:22:43,961
Wardens hunt everything from
bear poachers to pot farmers
495
00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:46,897
And its prey that
sometimes shoots back.
496
00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:49,800
That lone justice angle
attracted a reality show,
497
00:22:49,869 --> 00:22:52,669
Which sent a photographer
named ben staley
498
00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:56,273
To the little town of quincy,
here in plumas county.
499
00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:59,209
- I'd been in-in the quincy area
for a couple months,
500
00:22:59,278 --> 00:23:00,411
Gettin' into all kinds
of trouble
501
00:23:00,479 --> 00:23:02,413
With the california
game wardens.
502
00:23:02,481 --> 00:23:04,615
- It was
the 4th of July weekend,
503
00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:06,550
Late on a Saturday night.
504
00:23:06,619 --> 00:23:10,154
Staley had been taping with
the game warden since daybreak.
505
00:23:10,156 --> 00:23:12,289
He was ready to pack it in.
506
00:23:12,291 --> 00:23:14,892
Then an urgent call
went out over the radio.
507
00:23:14,961 --> 00:23:16,361
Shots fired.
508
00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:17,961
- We're speeding
to get there,
509
00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,498
Um, to perhaps break it up,
perhaps stop it.
510
00:23:21,567 --> 00:23:24,102
Perhaps save lives.
You don't really know.
511
00:23:24,170 --> 00:23:25,837
- They didn't know,
in other words,
512
00:23:25,905 --> 00:23:27,838
That they were responding
to the 911 call
513
00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:29,506
From chad wallin-reed
514
00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:32,309
After his armed confrontation
with six men
515
00:23:32,311 --> 00:23:35,312
On a dark road
running through a meadow.
516
00:23:35,381 --> 00:23:37,648
While racing to the scene,
staley and the warden
517
00:23:37,716 --> 00:23:39,783
Met up with
a sheriff's deputy.
518
00:23:39,852 --> 00:23:41,985
Then, over the radio,
came a new twist.
519
00:23:42,054 --> 00:23:44,389
Two men, possibly wounded,
had been found wandering
520
00:23:44,457 --> 00:23:46,190
Through a campground.
521
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:48,058
- So, we go
to this campground,
522
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:50,194
And, sure enough,
you know, we all hop out,
523
00:23:50,196 --> 00:23:51,395
And then there's-there's,
like, two guys
524
00:23:51,463 --> 00:23:52,731
In the middle of
this campground
525
00:23:52,798 --> 00:23:53,998
With blood on 'em.
526
00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:55,265
One of the sheriff
takes them.
527
00:23:55,267 --> 00:23:57,068
They-they cuff 'em up
and take 'em right there.
528
00:23:57,136 --> 00:24:00,271
And then these guys are like,
"look, our friends are hurt,"
529
00:24:00,339 --> 00:24:02,606
And they give us
directions to where
530
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:04,008
The incident occurred.
531
00:24:04,076 --> 00:24:05,409
- The meadow, that is,
532
00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:07,679
The dirt road where
the shooting took place,
533
00:24:07,746 --> 00:24:10,013
A place so remote
that without those directions,
534
00:24:10,082 --> 00:24:11,883
They might never
have found it.
535
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,618
As they drove
through the night,
536
00:24:13,686 --> 00:24:16,821
They listened to
the chatter on the two-way.
537
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:19,223
- It was very chaotic.
538
00:24:19,225 --> 00:24:20,958
Nobody knew exactly
what was happening.
539
00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:23,093
Nobody knew if
there was, you know,
540
00:24:23,162 --> 00:24:24,762
Multiple people
shooting at each other,
541
00:24:24,764 --> 00:24:26,630
If it was two people
shooting at each other.
542
00:24:26,699 --> 00:24:28,232
There was all these
conflicting reports
543
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,967
Coming in over the radio.
544
00:24:30,036 --> 00:24:31,702
It's really scary.
545
00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,036
- Staley and the warden
were now joined
546
00:24:33,105 --> 00:24:35,172
By a total
of three deputies.
547
00:24:35,174 --> 00:24:37,841
The makeshift team
convoyed to the meadow,
548
00:24:37,843 --> 00:24:40,244
Geared up for
a possible shootout.
549
00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:44,249
They found a lone vehicle,
its windows blown out.
550
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:46,383
- I want you to stand up!
Stand up!
551
00:24:46,385 --> 00:24:48,652
- Staley shot this footage
of the encounter,
552
00:24:48,721 --> 00:24:52,056
Which later became part of
the official public record.
553
00:24:52,124 --> 00:24:53,790
- Right away, there's
two guys comin' towards,
554
00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:55,126
With their hands up.
555
00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:56,927
One guy is limpin'
really bad.
556
00:24:56,996 --> 00:24:58,463
Um, he was shot
through the leg.
557
00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:00,064
They're both
bloody and cut up.
558
00:25:00,132 --> 00:25:02,132
They both look
really freaked out.
559
00:25:02,201 --> 00:25:04,067
- Then staley saw
something strange
560
00:25:04,136 --> 00:25:05,802
Poking out of
the meadow floor.
561
00:25:05,871 --> 00:25:07,337
- I just remember seeing
this hand come up
562
00:25:07,339 --> 00:25:08,873
Out of the grass.
563
00:25:08,941 --> 00:25:10,875
- I got one off to
the right here, one hand up.
564
00:25:10,943 --> 00:25:12,743
- Okay.
565
00:25:12,812 --> 00:25:14,345
- All right.
Keep your hands up!
566
00:25:14,413 --> 00:25:16,381
- And everyone was like,
"whoa, we got a hand."
567
00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:18,750
- Staley recorded everything,
the warden,
568
00:25:18,817 --> 00:25:21,218
The deputies arresting
the wounded men,
569
00:25:21,287 --> 00:25:23,221
The hand poking out
of the grass,
570
00:25:23,289 --> 00:25:26,623
And then the young man
who was connected to that hand,
571
00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:29,559
His right calf shredded
by a bullet.
572
00:25:29,629 --> 00:25:30,894
- Had tourniqueted his leg,
573
00:25:30,963 --> 00:25:32,162
But the sheriffs
and the wardens
574
00:25:32,231 --> 00:25:34,498
Right away saw that
he had it on too tight,
575
00:25:34,567 --> 00:25:36,234
And he'd had it on
too long,
576
00:25:36,302 --> 00:25:38,236
And it was very painful,
and they took it off,
577
00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:40,438
And, uh, he
was bleeding a lot.
578
00:25:40,506 --> 00:25:44,041
- This badly wounded man
plus the others made five,
579
00:25:44,043 --> 00:25:45,643
But there was one more.
580
00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:47,244
- And then there was
another guy in the backseat,
581
00:25:47,246 --> 00:25:49,780
Who was, I guess,
the driver.
582
00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:51,449
Uh, he was a lot worse off.
583
00:25:51,517 --> 00:25:53,318
But he was talking,
he was moving his mouth.
584
00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:55,319
I could hear sounds.
I couldn't make--
585
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:56,920
I couldn't make
any words out, you know,
586
00:25:56,989 --> 00:25:58,689
But it-it didn't look good.
587
00:25:58,757 --> 00:26:00,792
- The driver had been shot
in the head.
588
00:26:00,859 --> 00:26:02,659
- It was worse than anything
you would see in a movie.
589
00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:05,696
This was so violent
and so gory.
590
00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:09,533
- What happened here?
591
00:26:09,601 --> 00:26:11,868
Sorting it out fell
to detective steve peay
592
00:26:11,937 --> 00:26:13,471
And chris hendrickson.
593
00:26:13,539 --> 00:26:15,874
- It was very confusing for
all the officers responding.
594
00:26:15,941 --> 00:26:17,874
They were all under
the impression that
595
00:26:17,943 --> 00:26:20,277
The suspects were
in the meadow,
596
00:26:20,346 --> 00:26:22,145
In the car,
and maybe armed,
597
00:26:22,214 --> 00:26:24,014
And officers treated 'em
as such.
598
00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:27,151
- Adding to the confusion,
the remote location,
599
00:26:27,153 --> 00:26:29,053
Multiple locations.
600
00:26:29,121 --> 00:26:30,587
- We had two gentlemen
at the campground.
601
00:26:30,656 --> 00:26:33,290
We have four gentlemen down at
this potential crime scene,
602
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,360
And then I had
mr. Wallin-reed
603
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,895
With another detective
at another spot.
604
00:26:37,963 --> 00:26:41,164
Officers, ambulances,
helicopters comin' in.
605
00:26:41,233 --> 00:26:43,834
It's very chaotic--
very chaotic that night.
606
00:26:43,902 --> 00:26:46,103
- Deputies, led by
sergeant peay, met chad
607
00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:47,637
A few miles from
the meadow,
608
00:26:47,707 --> 00:26:49,240
Listened to his account
of the chase.
609
00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:01,786
- But while sergeant peay
was talking to chad,
610
00:27:01,854 --> 00:27:03,987
Some of the other detectives
were out here in the meadow
611
00:27:04,056 --> 00:27:06,523
Looking for the weapon
or weapons
612
00:27:06,525 --> 00:27:09,326
Those young men
must have fired at chad.
613
00:27:09,395 --> 00:27:12,195
They searched the car,
they searched around the car.
614
00:27:12,264 --> 00:27:14,064
They looked
all around the meadow.
615
00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,333
They found nothing.
616
00:27:16,402 --> 00:27:17,669
But then, it's a big meadow,
617
00:27:17,736 --> 00:27:21,338
And those are very deep
and very dark woods.
618
00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:23,874
Some of those
young men did run.
619
00:27:23,942 --> 00:27:27,010
They could've dumped
a gun out there somewhere.
620
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:28,946
But they didn't all run.
621
00:27:28,948 --> 00:27:30,681
- I got one off to
the right here, one hand up.
622
00:27:30,749 --> 00:27:32,816
- Remember the one shot
in the leg,
623
00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:34,784
The one cameraman
ben staley documented
624
00:27:34,854 --> 00:27:36,420
With his hand sticking up,
625
00:27:36,488 --> 00:27:39,223
Who was found bleeding out
in the meadow?
626
00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:41,958
He didn't bleed out.
He survived.
627
00:27:42,027 --> 00:27:45,162
His name is
justin lewis smyth,
628
00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:48,131
Lewis, and he's about
to give us his account
629
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,501
Of a July 4th weekend
on a dark and lonely road
630
00:27:51,503 --> 00:27:53,904
In the high sierra.
631
00:27:53,972 --> 00:27:55,672
- Coming up...
632
00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:59,109
Confusion and terror,
a very different story
633
00:27:59,111 --> 00:28:00,712
Of those shots in the dark.
634
00:28:00,779 --> 00:28:03,681
- The next thing I know,
glass is exploding.
635
00:28:03,749 --> 00:28:05,817
It's just complete chaos.
636
00:28:05,884 --> 00:28:08,986
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
637
00:28:19,464 --> 00:28:22,133
- This is where it ended,
in an ink black meadow
638
00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:23,600
In the high sierra
639
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:26,536
Barely illuminated
by a pair of headlights.
640
00:28:26,538 --> 00:28:28,539
Here is the actual video
of the sheriff's deputies,
641
00:28:28,607 --> 00:28:30,340
Guns drawn,
approaching the car,
642
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:33,410
Preparing for a possible
shootout with gunmen.
643
00:28:33,479 --> 00:28:36,547
Instead, they found
shooting victims,
644
00:28:36,615 --> 00:28:39,016
Three of them,
severely wounded.
645
00:28:39,018 --> 00:28:42,085
- Somebody makes their way over
towards the car and says...
646
00:28:42,087 --> 00:28:43,888
- Let me see your hands!
647
00:28:45,090 --> 00:28:47,824
- Lewis smyth can be seen
in the footage here,
648
00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:51,194
Shot in the right leg,
bleeding profusely.
649
00:28:51,196 --> 00:28:52,497
The belt he used
as a tourniquet
650
00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:55,699
Placed just above his knee
possibly saved his life.
651
00:28:55,767 --> 00:28:57,667
- At that point,
it's pretty obvious to me
652
00:28:57,736 --> 00:28:58,836
That I'm gonna lose my leg.
653
00:28:58,904 --> 00:29:00,704
I-I mean, I'm not sure
how long had gone by,
654
00:29:00,773 --> 00:29:02,206
Maybe an hour and a half.
655
00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:03,907
- And there were
other victims,
656
00:29:03,976 --> 00:29:06,778
A bloody and baffling scene
for the deputies.
657
00:29:06,845 --> 00:29:08,445
Who were these men?
658
00:29:08,513 --> 00:29:10,514
How did they provoke
a violent confrontation
659
00:29:10,516 --> 00:29:12,583
With army vet
chad wallin-reed.
660
00:29:12,651 --> 00:29:15,787
Chad and his family said
they'd been terrorized,
661
00:29:15,854 --> 00:29:18,789
But that was not the story
lewis smyth had to tell.
662
00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:22,860
Lewis' version began
663
00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:26,029
An hour's drive away
in susanville, california,
664
00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:28,265
Population almost 18,000,
665
00:29:28,334 --> 00:29:31,669
Home to two state prisons,
two movie theaters,
666
00:29:31,737 --> 00:29:34,739
And, on July 4th weekend, 2011,
667
00:29:34,807 --> 00:29:38,341
To restless young men
in search of fun.
668
00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:41,345
There was lewis, of course,
and his very best friend,
669
00:29:41,347 --> 00:29:43,480
A 20-year-old
junior college student
670
00:29:43,482 --> 00:29:45,749
Named rory mcguire.
671
00:29:45,817 --> 00:29:49,085
- He was the center of
attention wherever he went.
672
00:29:49,154 --> 00:29:51,022
- All eyes were on rory,
673
00:29:51,089 --> 00:29:53,156
In fact, right
from the start.
674
00:29:53,225 --> 00:29:56,026
That amazing shock
of red hair at birth
675
00:29:56,094 --> 00:29:58,862
Surprising even
his own mother, carol.
676
00:29:58,931 --> 00:30:00,897
- His named was
gonna be colin,
677
00:30:00,966 --> 00:30:03,300
And then he came out
with the red hair,
678
00:30:03,368 --> 00:30:05,035
And I had to look
through a baby name book,
679
00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:09,639
And I found the name rory,
which means red king in irish,
680
00:30:09,641 --> 00:30:13,044
And so hence
rory colin mcguire.
681
00:30:13,111 --> 00:30:16,446
- And that red hair came with
a personality to match.
682
00:30:16,515 --> 00:30:19,082
- There was only one rory,
and everyone knew who it was.
683
00:30:19,084 --> 00:30:22,320
He was vivacious.
He was creative.
684
00:30:22,387 --> 00:30:25,456
He was exciting.
He was funny.
685
00:30:25,524 --> 00:30:27,791
He was the life
of the party.
686
00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:29,726
- We would talk every day.
687
00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:31,528
I'd tell him
almost every detail,
688
00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:33,330
Laugh about little things.
689
00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:34,731
I told my mom
I wanted a brother,
690
00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:38,535
And, uh, I felt like
I kinda got that with rory.
691
00:30:38,537 --> 00:30:40,737
- Anyway, that Friday night,
July 1st,
692
00:30:40,739 --> 00:30:43,941
Rory and lewis were joined
by four other young men
693
00:30:43,943 --> 00:30:46,743
In search of a party
they'd heard about.
694
00:30:46,745 --> 00:30:51,082
- We were looking for
a friend of ours' brother
695
00:30:51,149 --> 00:30:54,751
Who was having a gathering
up by antelope lake.
696
00:30:54,753 --> 00:30:57,687
- Girls up there,
somebody said.
697
00:30:57,756 --> 00:30:59,422
So, here's what the did.
698
00:30:59,491 --> 00:31:01,491
And once again,
we prepared special video,
699
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,294
This time to illustrate
lewis' story
700
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:07,464
In which they all squeezed
into rory's sebring,
701
00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,968
Drove to the lake,
but couldn't find the party.
702
00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:13,504
So, they got up to
a little mischief
703
00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:15,306
Up there by the lake
704
00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:17,375
With a spotlight
one of them brought,
705
00:31:17,442 --> 00:31:20,176
The kind that plugs into
a cigarette lighter.
706
00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,178
- We stopped
at the top of a canyon,
707
00:31:22,247 --> 00:31:25,917
And we're shining the light
down on a campsite,
708
00:31:25,984 --> 00:31:29,052
And a bunch of people
came out yellin'.
709
00:31:29,121 --> 00:31:31,455
They were mad,
and anyways, uh...
710
00:31:31,457 --> 00:31:33,991
Everybody kinda got
a kick out of that.
711
00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:36,793
- Then, one of them remembered
some crazy warning signs
712
00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:39,863
They'd seen by the roadside,
wanted to show his buddies.
713
00:31:39,931 --> 00:31:43,199
They found them,
trained the spotlight on them.
714
00:31:43,268 --> 00:31:47,605
- And one of 'em says "warning:
You are entering r.O.C.,"
715
00:31:48,941 --> 00:31:50,774
The r.O.C.,
something to do with
716
00:31:50,842 --> 00:31:54,144
This red-blooded
christians only.
717
00:31:54,146 --> 00:31:56,013
Others will be--
718
00:31:56,015 --> 00:31:58,748
Deadly force,
uh, will be used.
719
00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:02,019
- Deadly force?
Red-blooded christians only?
720
00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:03,354
Were they kidding?
721
00:32:03,422 --> 00:32:05,455
Seemed almost like
a dare.
722
00:32:05,524 --> 00:32:07,490
One of them
hopped out of the car.
723
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,026
- He grabs a solar light
724
00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:13,029
And ripped down one of
the smaller of the two signs
725
00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,364
And comes runnin' back in,
726
00:32:14,433 --> 00:32:17,501
And then we-we
took off from there.
727
00:32:17,503 --> 00:32:20,503
- Cheap light, maybe
four or five bucks,
728
00:32:20,572 --> 00:32:21,706
Still...
729
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:23,907
Why did he take
the solar light, did he say?
730
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:25,709
- No, I think it was
assumed it was just
731
00:32:25,777 --> 00:32:30,447
Some sort of random
act of vandalism
732
00:32:30,515 --> 00:32:32,983
That, I guess,
young kids would do.
733
00:32:33,051 --> 00:32:35,118
- And then the noisy car
full of young men
734
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,720
Rolled back home,
735
00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:38,722
And they all went to bed.
736
00:32:40,125 --> 00:32:43,193
The following evening
was Saturday, July 2nd,
737
00:32:43,262 --> 00:32:45,462
And, sure enough,
there was a second chance,
738
00:32:45,531 --> 00:32:48,465
Same lake, new party.
739
00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:50,400
So, again, a bunch
of young men
740
00:32:50,469 --> 00:32:53,403
Piled into rory mcguire's
chrysler sebring.
741
00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:56,073
- And went and met up
with two others
742
00:32:56,075 --> 00:32:58,409
At the chevron gas station
743
00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:01,878
Where we bought, I think,
a bottle of blueberry vodka
744
00:33:01,947 --> 00:33:04,814
And a couple 40-ounces
of beer to take with us.
745
00:33:04,883 --> 00:33:06,082
- Okay.
746
00:33:06,151 --> 00:33:08,284
- And we get about
halfway up the grade,
747
00:33:08,353 --> 00:33:11,355
And we approach
the property, again.
748
00:33:11,423 --> 00:33:13,356
- The wallin-reed property.
749
00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:15,558
Suddenly, rory
stopped the car.
750
00:33:15,627 --> 00:33:18,361
And again, one of the group
jumped out and stole
751
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:20,363
Two more solar lights.
752
00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:22,632
- Ten seconds passed or so,
753
00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:25,635
And right as caesar
was getting into the car,
754
00:33:25,704 --> 00:33:28,905
I heard a-- what sounded
like a gunshot.
755
00:33:28,974 --> 00:33:30,440
- Rory hit the gas.
756
00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:33,110
"was somebody shooting at us?"
they asked each other.
757
00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:36,180
Lewis, a little freaked out,
looked out the back window.
758
00:33:36,248 --> 00:33:38,782
- I turned around
just to see
759
00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:40,150
A truck behind us.
760
00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:41,918
- Gaining on you.
761
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,320
- Yeah, I could
pretty much tell that
762
00:33:43,322 --> 00:33:45,321
That meant business.
763
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:47,457
And right after that,
I remember seeing
764
00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:51,328
A green laser traveling around
in the car with us.
765
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:52,797
- A green laser?
766
00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:54,464
A laser from a gun?
767
00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:55,833
- We assumed, yes.
768
00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:58,067
It's like you-you
can't believe it.
769
00:33:58,069 --> 00:33:59,602
No, they're not
gonna shoot us.
770
00:33:59,671 --> 00:34:00,670
Uh, that's absurd.
771
00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:01,806
- People don't shoot
other people, yeah.
772
00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:03,339
- No, not for this.
773
00:34:03,408 --> 00:34:06,009
And right after that,
I hear pow-pow-pow,
774
00:34:06,078 --> 00:34:07,210
And then, every once
in a while,
775
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:08,912
You'd hear a ding on the trunk
or somethin' like that.
776
00:34:08,981 --> 00:34:10,614
- It's hitting the car.
- Yes.
777
00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:12,215
- They tried blinding
the shooter
778
00:34:12,284 --> 00:34:13,550
With their spotlight.
779
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:15,086
Didn't seem to help.
780
00:34:15,153 --> 00:34:19,189
- Meanwhile, this whole time,
we've been trying to call 911,
781
00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:20,758
And there's no service,
782
00:34:20,826 --> 00:34:22,760
And somebody suggests
we wave
783
00:34:22,828 --> 00:34:24,561
My white tee shirt
out the window.
784
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:26,429
- Let's wave this.
Maybe he'll stop.
785
00:34:26,498 --> 00:34:27,832
- Exactly, yeah.
786
00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:29,433
We were trying
every technique we could
787
00:34:29,501 --> 00:34:30,834
To have them stop.
- Yeah.
788
00:34:30,836 --> 00:34:32,702
- So, he was--
- and this guy just kept firing.
789
00:34:32,704 --> 00:34:34,637
- Oh, throughout
the whole rest of this trip,
790
00:34:34,706 --> 00:34:37,340
There's flurries of shots
being taken at us.
791
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:41,312
- Desperate now, rushing along
a road he did not know,
792
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:43,613
Rory suddenly took
a wrong turn.
793
00:34:45,117 --> 00:34:47,784
- So, we were on this dirt road,
still taking fire
794
00:34:47,786 --> 00:34:49,853
At different points in time,
795
00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:52,889
And he's still chasing us,
and, uh...
796
00:34:52,958 --> 00:34:55,059
Eventually what I hear
rory say is,
797
00:34:55,127 --> 00:34:57,761
"this road just came
to an abrupt stop."
798
00:34:57,763 --> 00:35:00,463
And so, he's trying
to flip around.
799
00:35:00,465 --> 00:35:01,866
- Trying to get away,
said lewis,
800
00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:03,066
Get around the truck.
801
00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:05,202
Get out of the meadow
they were trapped in.
802
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:06,536
- The next thing I know,
803
00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:09,607
Glass is exploding
everywhere,
804
00:35:09,674 --> 00:35:11,208
Hitting us in the head.
805
00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:12,943
- Was the car still moving,
at that point?
806
00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:16,679
- Yes, and it's
just complete chaos.
807
00:35:16,748 --> 00:35:18,748
At that point,
808
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:23,087
That was when, uh,
when I got shot.
809
00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:26,489
It felt like a heat
kinda came over my leg.
810
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:28,691
- When the car
finally came to a stop,
811
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,995
Those who could ran.
812
00:35:31,062 --> 00:35:32,695
- I said, "come on, rory.
Let's go."
813
00:35:32,764 --> 00:35:37,167
And I looked up, and rory
had his face in his chest,
814
00:35:37,169 --> 00:35:40,904
And I'm pretty sure
he said, "I can't."
815
00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:45,009
And right at that moment,
I saw the laser light again.
816
00:35:45,076 --> 00:35:47,811
And at that point,
the gunman approached.
817
00:35:49,614 --> 00:35:51,147
- Coming up...
818
00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:53,984
Was the shooter coming
to finish the job?
819
00:35:54,052 --> 00:35:55,918
- He starts to circle
around the car.
820
00:35:55,988 --> 00:35:58,521
The whole while,
he's pointing the gun at us.
821
00:35:58,590 --> 00:36:01,158
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
822
00:36:12,469 --> 00:36:14,904
- In a remote forest meadow,
in the dark,
823
00:36:14,974 --> 00:36:17,140
A tiny green dot
probed the interior
824
00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:20,543
Of rory mcguire's immobilized
chrysler sebring.
825
00:36:20,545 --> 00:36:22,213
The laser site was back,
826
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,215
Its green dot
a roving bullseye.
827
00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:27,818
Lewis smyth, crouched,
wounded and immobile
828
00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:29,152
In the backseat,
829
00:36:29,221 --> 00:36:31,955
Watched the green dot
move across his body,
830
00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:34,892
Waited for the gunman
to finish him off.
831
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,760
- He kinda starts
to circle around the car.
832
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:40,096
The whole while,
he's pointing the gun at us.
833
00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:41,631
Lookin' like a swat team
834
00:36:41,633 --> 00:36:43,300
Or somethin' like
that had come in.
835
00:36:43,368 --> 00:36:44,834
When he comes up, he says,
836
00:36:44,836 --> 00:36:46,303
"you mother----ers
shoot at my house.
837
00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:48,371
I got kids,"
or somethin' like that.
838
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,107
And we said, "we didn't
shoot at your house.
839
00:36:50,175 --> 00:36:51,507
We wouldn't do that."
840
00:36:51,576 --> 00:36:52,976
So, the gunman points
the gun right at me,
841
00:36:52,978 --> 00:36:55,980
And I said, "look, we didn't
shoot at your house.
842
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:58,915
Please just call
an ambulance."
843
00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:01,017
And he took off.
844
00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:05,255
- Suddenly, relief.
845
00:37:05,323 --> 00:37:06,524
Some of the friends
had run for cover
846
00:37:06,591 --> 00:37:07,857
During the shooting.
847
00:37:07,926 --> 00:37:09,727
Now, they returned
to the car,
848
00:37:09,794 --> 00:37:11,060
But to what?
849
00:37:11,129 --> 00:37:12,796
They were alone
in the dark,
850
00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:15,531
And their friend,
the driver, rory
851
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,667
Was clearly in bad shape.
852
00:37:17,669 --> 00:37:19,936
- My friend has just
been shot in his head.
853
00:37:19,938 --> 00:37:21,237
I'm shot.
854
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,805
We just assume we're
gonna get back in the car.
855
00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:24,874
We're gonna get outta here
and go get help.
856
00:37:24,943 --> 00:37:26,275
- Somehow, they managed
to move rory
857
00:37:26,345 --> 00:37:28,411
To the backseat
of the car,
858
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,613
But when one of them
turned the key...
859
00:37:30,615 --> 00:37:31,881
- The car wouldn't start.
860
00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:35,084
It just kept getting
worse and worse.
861
00:37:35,153 --> 00:37:37,620
- No car, no cell service,
862
00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:39,622
No idea exactly
where they were,
863
00:37:39,691 --> 00:37:41,224
No idea where
help might be,
864
00:37:41,293 --> 00:37:43,894
No idea if they'd
survive the night
865
00:37:43,962 --> 00:37:47,163
Or if the gunman
was gonna come back.
866
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:49,232
Two of them volunteered
to run out
867
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:51,768
Into the blackness for help,
868
00:37:51,837 --> 00:37:54,370
See if they could find
a cabin or a ranch house
869
00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:57,107
Where they might find
a working landline.
870
00:37:57,175 --> 00:38:01,044
Question was, would
their friends still be alive
871
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:04,714
When and if they got back?
872
00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:07,984
- So, I decided it's time
probably to check on my leg.
873
00:38:07,986 --> 00:38:09,652
When I pulled
my pantleg down,
874
00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,521
It sounded like
somebody had poured
875
00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:14,358
A ton of water
on the ground, just splat.
876
00:38:14,425 --> 00:38:16,460
My calf was
basically exploded
877
00:38:16,528 --> 00:38:20,064
In a few-- like,
numerous pieces.
878
00:38:20,131 --> 00:38:24,201
- Stuck in place, easy targets,
if the gunman returned.
879
00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:26,069
- We had fear that
he was gonna come back
880
00:38:26,071 --> 00:38:27,671
And finish the job.
881
00:38:27,739 --> 00:38:29,273
- Some of the young men
decided the car
882
00:38:29,341 --> 00:38:31,141
Was more target than refuge
883
00:38:31,209 --> 00:38:33,677
And hid in the tall grass
of the meadow.
884
00:38:33,745 --> 00:38:35,878
- They didn't feel comfortable
staying at the car,
885
00:38:35,947 --> 00:38:37,280
And I don't blame 'em.
886
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:39,882
- And now, the two best friends,
lewis and rory,
887
00:38:39,951 --> 00:38:41,918
Were trapped in the dark.
888
00:38:41,986 --> 00:38:44,088
Lewis laid down
on the ground,
889
00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:46,689
Propped his wounded leg
against the car,
890
00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:49,092
Tried to keep
talking to rory,
891
00:38:49,094 --> 00:38:51,228
Who was lying
in the backseat.
892
00:38:51,296 --> 00:38:52,830
- Rory was shot in his head.
893
00:38:52,897 --> 00:38:55,032
He could barely talk,
but when he did,
894
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,899
It was jumbled,
it was horrible.
895
00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:59,369
He would call out
my name a lot.
896
00:38:59,437 --> 00:39:03,239
Um, I told him--
897
00:39:03,241 --> 00:39:05,709
I guess, uh, just naively,
898
00:39:05,777 --> 00:39:07,444
That I feel your pain.
899
00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:11,114
He was able to reply, uh,
something, "you have no idea."
900
00:39:11,182 --> 00:39:14,451
My whole leg had become numb
from my knee down.
901
00:39:14,453 --> 00:39:16,319
And then shortly
after that,
902
00:39:16,387 --> 00:39:18,788
My left leg
started going numb
903
00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:20,590
And then the rest
of my extremities
904
00:39:20,592 --> 00:39:23,060
Until eventually
it reached my lips,
905
00:39:23,128 --> 00:39:25,795
And then it got to the point
where I was like,
906
00:39:25,797 --> 00:39:28,264
Well, maybe-maybe
I'll die.
907
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:29,733
- And just about then,
908
00:39:29,801 --> 00:39:32,735
Lewis saw headlights
appear in the distance.
909
00:39:32,804 --> 00:39:34,737
- And eventually,
somebody makes their way
910
00:39:34,739 --> 00:39:36,807
Over towards the car
and says...
911
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:38,141
- Let me see your hands!
912
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:39,542
- It was
the sheriff's deputy,
913
00:39:39,611 --> 00:39:41,478
And you can see
in ben staley's video
914
00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:44,280
Documenting the scene,
that's when lewis
915
00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:46,282
Weakly stuck
his left hand up
916
00:39:46,351 --> 00:39:48,484
Out of the meadow grass.
917
00:39:48,553 --> 00:39:50,653
- I laid there
on the ground for a while,
918
00:39:50,655 --> 00:39:54,023
And somebody was
holding onto my leg,
919
00:39:54,092 --> 00:39:55,425
Trying to stop
the bleeding,
920
00:39:55,493 --> 00:39:57,627
And so they were sticking
their hand in my wound,
921
00:39:57,696 --> 00:39:59,295
And I'm surprised
I could still feel pain
922
00:39:59,297 --> 00:40:01,297
Because my leg
had gone numb so long ago.
923
00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:03,166
All that remained,
was the pain.
924
00:40:06,171 --> 00:40:10,173
So, what I remember was,
I got loaded into a paramedic.
925
00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:12,409
And at this point,
it's just major relief.
926
00:40:13,845 --> 00:40:16,712
- Rory was airlifted out
to a hospital in reno.
927
00:40:16,781 --> 00:40:20,050
He was barely alive,
no longer conscious.
928
00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:22,919
Telling the story
was not easy for lewis.
929
00:40:22,987 --> 00:40:24,387
- Give me a minute.
Sorry if that was--
930
00:40:24,389 --> 00:40:26,457
- It's okay.
931
00:40:26,524 --> 00:40:29,792
- His anxiety was
not hard to understand.
932
00:40:29,861 --> 00:40:31,661
But what didn't make sense?
933
00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:34,730
How his account differed
on some very key points
934
00:40:34,799 --> 00:40:36,399
From that of
chad wallin-reed,
935
00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:38,601
The man who confronted them.
936
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:40,603
For example,
chad accused the young men
937
00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:43,873
Of firing first
during the car chase.
938
00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:45,541
- Next thing I know,
as I'm lookin' up,
939
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:49,012
I see these three flashes,
940
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,748
And then I hear
crack, crack, crack, crack.
941
00:40:53,284 --> 00:40:56,686
- But according to lewis,
that never happened.
942
00:40:56,688 --> 00:40:58,888
What's more, he said,
chad didn't seem worried
943
00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:01,959
They had a gun when he
approached their car.
944
00:41:02,026 --> 00:41:05,762
Did he, at any point,
say, "are you armed,"
945
00:41:05,764 --> 00:41:08,031
Or, "do you have a gun,"
or, "throw your weapon away,"
946
00:41:08,033 --> 00:41:10,033
Or anything like that?
- Nothing like that,
947
00:41:10,035 --> 00:41:11,434
Which is kinda confusing
948
00:41:11,503 --> 00:41:15,705
Seeing as he accused us
of shooting at his house,
949
00:41:15,774 --> 00:41:17,307
But he was pointing
the gun at us
950
00:41:17,375 --> 00:41:18,908
Like we were armed.
951
00:41:18,977 --> 00:41:20,409
- So, he came up
to the car and said,
952
00:41:20,478 --> 00:41:22,111
"were you the one shooting
at my house?"
953
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:23,446
- Yes.
954
00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:25,982
- He didn't say,
"shoot at me in the car."
955
00:41:26,051 --> 00:41:28,118
- No.
956
00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:29,385
- Odd.
957
00:41:29,387 --> 00:41:31,587
Remember, chad told
the police
958
00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:34,590
The young men shot at him
during the chase.
959
00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:37,260
Did he ever,
that night, say,
960
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,462
"why were you shooting
at me in the car,"
961
00:41:39,531 --> 00:41:41,198
Or, "you shot at me
in the car,"
962
00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:42,331
Or anything like that?
963
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,066
- Nothing like that, no.
964
00:41:44,135 --> 00:41:45,935
- Did you have a gun?
- No.
965
00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:47,270
- Did anybody in
the car have a gun?
966
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:48,471
- No.
967
00:41:48,539 --> 00:41:51,007
- Did you own a gun?
- No.
968
00:41:51,009 --> 00:41:52,942
- The police were looking
for a gun, of course,
969
00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:54,945
Couldn't just take
somebody's word for it,
970
00:41:55,013 --> 00:41:57,881
But neither could they,
nor could we,
971
00:41:57,949 --> 00:42:00,651
Ignore one more
big discrepancy
972
00:42:00,718 --> 00:42:03,619
Between lewis' story
and chad's.
973
00:42:03,621 --> 00:42:05,756
Remember, in his interview,
chad said he told
974
00:42:05,823 --> 00:42:08,392
Lewis and his friends
when he left 'em in the meadow
975
00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:11,694
That he was
going to get help.
976
00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:14,363
- I said, um, "I'm gonna
go call the sheriff."
977
00:42:14,432 --> 00:42:17,099
- But that's not
what lewis heard.
978
00:42:17,168 --> 00:42:19,903
No, he said, he remembered
quite clearly
979
00:42:19,971 --> 00:42:21,772
What their assailant said
980
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,507
Just before he got
into his truck to leave.
981
00:42:24,509 --> 00:42:25,775
- He said, "if I ever see
982
00:42:25,844 --> 00:42:27,043
Any of you mother----ers
up here again,
983
00:42:27,111 --> 00:42:29,479
I'm gonna kill
all you guys.
984
00:42:29,548 --> 00:42:31,213
- Coming up...
985
00:42:31,282 --> 00:42:33,951
Police try to figure out
who is telling the truth
986
00:42:34,018 --> 00:42:35,851
About the confrontation,
987
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,455
And they soon find
chad's account is changing.
988
00:42:39,523 --> 00:42:40,457
- I think it finally
sunk in
989
00:42:40,525 --> 00:42:42,925
That he was gonna
get caught in his story.
990
00:42:42,927 --> 00:42:45,929
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
991
00:42:53,503 --> 00:42:56,138
- Welcome back to
"dateline: Secrets uncovered."
992
00:42:56,207 --> 00:42:59,675
Here again is
keith morrison.
993
00:42:59,744 --> 00:43:02,479
- There is, safe to say,
no way on this earth
994
00:43:02,547 --> 00:43:05,214
A mother can be
adequately prepared
995
00:43:05,283 --> 00:43:08,485
For the news carol starzer
was about to receive.
996
00:43:08,553 --> 00:43:10,754
It was Sunday morning,
July 3rd.
997
00:43:10,822 --> 00:43:12,288
She had just gotten
a message.
998
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:14,957
"call back, now."
999
00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:18,094
- I knew something was wrong.
Something was wrong.
1000
00:43:18,163 --> 00:43:19,962
And I call back immediately,
1001
00:43:20,031 --> 00:43:22,965
And I just
couldn't believe it.
1002
00:43:23,034 --> 00:43:25,701
- "come quickly," they said,
"to the hospital."
1003
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:28,037
- All we knew was, he was
in critical condition,
1004
00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:30,039
And we needed to get there
as soon as possible,
1005
00:43:30,041 --> 00:43:31,975
And that's all
they would tell us.
1006
00:43:32,043 --> 00:43:33,776
- So, carol, heart
in her mouth,
1007
00:43:33,778 --> 00:43:35,712
Raced along
the highway to reno
1008
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,581
And her son, rory.
1009
00:43:37,649 --> 00:43:38,981
That same Sunday morning,
1010
00:43:38,983 --> 00:43:40,783
Chad and kerri's children
woke up to the sound
1011
00:43:40,852 --> 00:43:43,786
Of strangers rummaging
through the cabinet.
1012
00:43:43,788 --> 00:43:45,988
- And, like, searched
through our stuff,
1013
00:43:46,057 --> 00:43:49,258
And, like, they took
all of the guns.
1014
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:51,527
- They are police.
- And I was--
1015
00:43:51,596 --> 00:43:53,129
I was crying
when I woke up.
1016
00:43:53,131 --> 00:43:54,197
- Yeah.
1017
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:55,364
- Because I didn't know
who they were.
1018
00:43:55,366 --> 00:43:56,699
- Must have been terrifying.
1019
00:43:56,701 --> 00:43:58,535
- Yeah.
1020
00:43:58,603 --> 00:43:59,935
- And then the strangers
told them
1021
00:44:00,004 --> 00:44:02,272
Their parents were explaining
things to the police
1022
00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:03,606
And...
1023
00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:05,541
- I knew my dad had it
under control.
1024
00:44:05,610 --> 00:44:08,611
He is very smart
and thoughtful.
1025
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:10,312
- In fact, all night,
1026
00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:13,416
Chad had been in deep
conversation with detectives
1027
00:44:13,484 --> 00:44:15,619
From the plumas county
sheriff's office.
1028
00:44:15,687 --> 00:44:17,019
- I told 'em.
I explained to 'em,
1029
00:44:17,088 --> 00:44:18,021
You know,
what had happened,
1030
00:44:18,089 --> 00:44:19,822
And he was very upset.
1031
00:44:19,891 --> 00:44:24,560
- Going over again and again
what happened at the cabin,
1032
00:44:24,629 --> 00:44:27,363
On the road,
in the meadow.
1033
00:44:27,365 --> 00:44:29,699
Here, chad explained
what was in his mind
1034
00:44:29,701 --> 00:44:32,835
When those men seemed to be
terrorizing his family,
1035
00:44:32,904 --> 00:44:36,639
How he decided he had to do
something to protect his kids.
1036
00:45:04,001 --> 00:45:05,868
- Chad told detective steve peay
1037
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:08,638
How the men in the car
had fired at him,
1038
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:11,907
How, in self-defense,
he fired back.
1039
00:45:11,976 --> 00:45:13,677
- He talked about
that was training
1040
00:45:13,745 --> 00:45:15,145
That he had received
from the military,
1041
00:45:15,213 --> 00:45:16,747
To continue
to follow the threat,
1042
00:45:16,814 --> 00:45:20,149
To neutralize the threat.
Got into a zone
1043
00:45:20,218 --> 00:45:22,952
And needed to neutralize
the threat, he felt.
1044
00:45:22,954 --> 00:45:25,154
- Got into a zone.
- A zone.
1045
00:45:25,223 --> 00:45:27,824
- Like a military term.
- Yes.
1046
00:45:34,699 --> 00:45:37,767
- Then detective peay
decided to take chad on a tour
1047
00:45:37,835 --> 00:45:40,769
To recreate the almost
eight-mile chase
1048
00:45:40,839 --> 00:45:44,508
And the shooting on location
and on videotape.
1049
00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,843
- You come out
of your driveway.
1050
00:45:46,845 --> 00:45:49,512
And we drove with
mr. Wallin-reed
1051
00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:51,314
From his cabin in my vehicle,
uh, videotaping,
1052
00:45:51,382 --> 00:45:55,719
And he took us right back here
to the meadow here.
1053
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:13,669
- Chad made it quite clear
1054
00:46:13,738 --> 00:46:16,405
He used a small pistol,
.380 caliber,
1055
00:46:16,474 --> 00:46:18,541
To return fire
during the chase.
1056
00:46:18,609 --> 00:46:21,277
- And he told us he knew
exactly where he shot from.
1057
00:46:21,345 --> 00:46:25,014
Um, so, we-- I'd get out,
and I'd mark that area,
1058
00:46:25,016 --> 00:46:27,883
So we could back and search
that area for casings.
1059
00:46:27,952 --> 00:46:30,219
- Then the cops took chad
down that dirt road,
1060
00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:33,289
Which led into the meadow,
and there they could plainly see
1061
00:46:33,291 --> 00:46:35,424
That other officers
had already marked
1062
00:46:35,493 --> 00:46:38,295
Several shell casings
in the meadow.
1063
00:46:38,362 --> 00:46:41,965
And abruptly,
chad's story changed.
1064
00:46:42,033 --> 00:46:44,134
- I had spent many hours
with him that night,
1065
00:46:44,202 --> 00:46:45,634
Questioning him,
1066
00:46:45,703 --> 00:46:47,036
Asking him if any other
firearms had been used,
1067
00:46:47,104 --> 00:46:48,705
And he continually said, "no."
1068
00:46:48,773 --> 00:46:51,307
And then, at the very end
of the-the interview
1069
00:46:51,309 --> 00:46:53,375
And the drive,
then he finally did tell us
1070
00:46:53,444 --> 00:46:55,711
That there was another gun used.
1071
00:46:55,713 --> 00:46:56,847
- That's when he saw
on the ground,
1072
00:46:56,914 --> 00:46:59,715
As they all did,
.223 caliber casings,
1073
00:46:59,784 --> 00:47:04,119
The kind that would come from
an ar-15 assault rifle,
1074
00:47:04,188 --> 00:47:08,591
Which chad finally admitted
he used here in the meadow.
1075
00:47:20,138 --> 00:47:22,538
- But then his
story changed, again.
1076
00:47:22,608 --> 00:47:24,807
He admitted he fired the ar-15
1077
00:47:24,809 --> 00:47:28,077
Just before
he got to the meadow.
1078
00:47:41,225 --> 00:47:42,224
- I think it finally sunk in
1079
00:47:42,293 --> 00:47:44,493
That-that it was all gonna
come back to him,
1080
00:47:44,562 --> 00:47:46,763
And he was gonna get caught
in his story.
1081
00:47:46,831 --> 00:47:49,432
- Chad isn't the only one
feeling the heat.
1082
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:54,437
Rory mcguire's friends face
tough questions from the police.
1083
00:47:54,505 --> 00:47:55,971
Coming up...
1084
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,974
- Oh, I-I pushed them.
I said, "listen.
1085
00:47:58,042 --> 00:48:01,378
If there was a gun, uh,
you need to tell us."
1086
00:48:01,445 --> 00:48:04,847
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
1087
00:48:07,784 --> 00:48:12,421
♪♪
1088
00:48:12,490 --> 00:48:15,524
- As rory mcguire
clung to life in the hospital,
1089
00:48:15,593 --> 00:48:18,194
Detective steve peay
had chad wallin-reed
1090
00:48:18,196 --> 00:48:19,662
Take him on a tour,
1091
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:22,531
Following the path of
the car chase from the cabin,
1092
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,066
Down the dirt road,
1093
00:48:24,068 --> 00:48:26,769
Into the meadow
where the hot pursuit ended.
1094
00:48:26,838 --> 00:48:30,873
With a video camera rolling,
chad recounted every detail.
1095
00:48:39,884 --> 00:48:43,152
- Problem was,
his story kept shifting.
1096
00:48:43,154 --> 00:48:45,354
At first, he said
he only used a small pistol
1097
00:48:45,423 --> 00:48:47,189
During the confrontation.
1098
00:48:47,191 --> 00:48:49,226
But after driving through
an area littered with
1099
00:48:49,293 --> 00:48:53,295
.223 caliber shell casings,
chad admitted
1100
00:48:53,297 --> 00:48:58,000
He had also fired
his ar-15 assault rifle.
1101
00:49:07,845 --> 00:49:09,578
- Why the initial reluctance?
1102
00:49:09,647 --> 00:49:12,314
Well, perhaps because
the ar-15,
1103
00:49:12,383 --> 00:49:14,718
Which chad bought legally
in nevada,
1104
00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:17,119
Was illegal in california.
1105
00:49:17,188 --> 00:49:19,855
Though chad said
he didn't know that.
1106
00:49:19,924 --> 00:49:23,526
At any rate, now chad detailed
how he used the rifle again
1107
00:49:23,594 --> 00:49:28,030
When he saw rory's car
make a sudden u-turn.
1108
00:49:31,135 --> 00:49:35,272
- So, perhaps still
in self-defense mode.
1109
00:49:48,286 --> 00:49:51,554
- And so, there it was,
chad's story.
1110
00:49:51,622 --> 00:49:56,592
But as detective peay listened,
something seemed off.
1111
00:49:56,661 --> 00:49:58,094
- Just somewhat odd,
the-the story,
1112
00:49:58,162 --> 00:49:59,162
And as it unfolded,
1113
00:49:59,230 --> 00:50:01,363
Each-each time
we talked to him, it kind--
1114
00:50:01,365 --> 00:50:03,032
It somewhat changed.
1115
00:50:03,034 --> 00:50:04,900
- Then, that morning,
detective peay heard from
1116
00:50:04,902 --> 00:50:06,502
His colleague,
chris hendrickson,
1117
00:50:06,571 --> 00:50:09,873
Who had spent his night
talking to those young men.
1118
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:13,509
Rory mcguire, now in surgery,
wasn't able to talk,
1119
00:50:13,511 --> 00:50:15,644
But the other five,
said detective hendrickson,
1120
00:50:15,713 --> 00:50:19,615
He talked to them separately,
told exactly the same story,
1121
00:50:19,683 --> 00:50:22,285
How they stole the solar lights,
were chased,
1122
00:50:22,353 --> 00:50:26,889
Tried to surrender,
and then made a wrong turn.
1123
00:50:26,958 --> 00:50:29,792
- Rory mcguire didn't know
this area that well,
1124
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:33,328
And the kids realized
after they passed it
1125
00:50:33,397 --> 00:50:35,197
That they'd missed this turn
right here
1126
00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:39,802
That goes-goes down to, um,
antelope lake.
1127
00:50:39,804 --> 00:50:42,005
- Why antelope lake?
1128
00:50:42,073 --> 00:50:44,940
Because, the men told
detective hendrickson,
1129
00:50:45,009 --> 00:50:49,011
There were cabins there,
people, safety.
1130
00:50:49,013 --> 00:50:50,546
But the main thing
1131
00:50:50,614 --> 00:50:52,481
Those young men
told detective hendrickson
1132
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:55,951
Was they did not shoot at
chad wallin-reed.
1133
00:50:55,953 --> 00:50:59,356
In fact, they assured him,
they didn't have a gun.
1134
00:50:59,423 --> 00:51:01,757
Did you ask them?
Did you push them on that?
1135
00:51:01,826 --> 00:51:04,026
- Oh, I-I pushed them.
I said, "listen.
1136
00:51:04,028 --> 00:51:07,230
If there was a gun, uh,
you need to tell us.
1137
00:51:07,298 --> 00:51:10,967
I mean, if you had a gun
and were shooting back,
1138
00:51:11,035 --> 00:51:14,503
You would be in your right
as defending yourself
1139
00:51:14,505 --> 00:51:15,772
'cause you're being shot at."
1140
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,107
They would always say,
"no, no, there was no gun.
1141
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:19,374
I guarantee you."
1142
00:51:19,443 --> 00:51:20,909
- Later that morning,
detectives went out
1143
00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:24,513
To the meadow and discovered
some fascinating evidence,
1144
00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:27,616
For one thing,
shards of broken glass
1145
00:51:27,685 --> 00:51:30,919
Which clearly marked precisely
where the car was
1146
00:51:30,988 --> 00:51:33,655
When chad blew out the windows.
1147
00:51:33,724 --> 00:51:38,393
Curious, it wasn't exactly
where chad said it was.
1148
00:51:38,462 --> 00:51:42,065
And something else--
rory's car must have hit a rock
1149
00:51:42,133 --> 00:51:44,066
During its rush
through the meadow
1150
00:51:44,135 --> 00:51:47,336
Just after it made the u-turn
farther out in the meadow.
1151
00:51:47,404 --> 00:51:50,539
- And it started, uh,
draining the oil out of the car.
1152
00:51:50,541 --> 00:51:54,043
- And left,
clear as a giant magic marker,
1153
00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:55,911
A brownish-black trail
1154
00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:58,680
Through the long grass
of the meadow.
1155
00:51:58,749 --> 00:52:00,950
Interesting.
1156
00:52:01,018 --> 00:52:02,951
By now, it was something like
12 hours
1157
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:05,754
Since chad ran off
to chase those men.
1158
00:52:05,823 --> 00:52:07,890
He was exhausted.
Had been, he said,
1159
00:52:07,892 --> 00:52:09,892
Entirely cooperative
with the cops,
1160
00:52:09,894 --> 00:52:11,693
Told them everything he knew.
1161
00:52:11,762 --> 00:52:13,695
He was ready now to go home
to his wife, kerri,
1162
00:52:13,764 --> 00:52:15,564
And their three kids.
1163
00:52:15,633 --> 00:52:20,169
So, what happened next was
something he did not expect.
1164
00:52:20,237 --> 00:52:22,639
- He was arrested for
attempted murder
1165
00:52:22,706 --> 00:52:26,309
And also, um, assault
with a deadly weapon.
1166
00:52:27,177 --> 00:52:28,977
- As the 4th of July approached,
1167
00:52:29,046 --> 00:52:32,447
Chad wallin-reed
was booked in the local jail.
1168
00:52:32,516 --> 00:52:37,587
Could any outcome be worse?
Well, yes, it could
1169
00:52:37,655 --> 00:52:40,890
And was about to be,
for everyone.
1170
00:52:42,593 --> 00:52:44,026
- Coming up...
1171
00:52:44,028 --> 00:52:47,529
Grief and shock
as a mother finally finds out
1172
00:52:47,531 --> 00:52:49,265
What happened to her son.
1173
00:52:49,267 --> 00:52:52,868
- It's horrible.
The nurse immediately--
1174
00:52:52,937 --> 00:52:55,604
Her face--
she looked at me.
1175
00:52:55,673 --> 00:52:57,506
I knew.
1176
00:52:57,508 --> 00:53:00,643
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
1177
00:53:03,346 --> 00:53:14,023
♪♪
1178
00:53:14,091 --> 00:53:16,358
- Here's why people
move to the high sierra,
1179
00:53:16,427 --> 00:53:19,095
To get away from the city,
its constant pressures,
1180
00:53:19,163 --> 00:53:22,497
Its regular explosions
of violent crime,
1181
00:53:22,566 --> 00:53:24,600
Or at least that's how it was
for plumas county
1182
00:53:24,668 --> 00:53:27,169
District attorney
david hollister,
1183
00:53:27,171 --> 00:53:29,205
Who moved to his new job
in the county seat
1184
00:53:29,273 --> 00:53:32,842
Of little quincy, california
after years of prosecuting
1185
00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:35,311
The worst
that oakland had to offer.
1186
00:53:35,313 --> 00:53:39,915
He came for the quiet,
the family values.
1187
00:53:39,984 --> 00:53:41,984
And now,
here he was fielding calls
1188
00:53:41,986 --> 00:53:46,388
From the local sheriff's office
about an extremely violent act,
1189
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:50,058
Which the shooter himself
freely admitted to.
1190
00:53:50,127 --> 00:53:53,263
- We're small enough where
any type of homicide that occurs
1191
00:53:53,330 --> 00:53:54,796
I get called right away.
1192
00:53:54,865 --> 00:53:56,732
- So, how much
did you have to do
1193
00:53:56,801 --> 00:53:59,735
With the decision to charge him?
- Everything.
1194
00:53:59,737 --> 00:54:01,937
- And from what
the detectives told him,
1195
00:54:02,006 --> 00:54:04,072
What happened
seemed pretty clear
1196
00:54:04,141 --> 00:54:05,542
To d.A. Hollister.
1197
00:54:05,609 --> 00:54:08,544
- He chased those boys
7.6 miles,
1198
00:54:08,546 --> 00:54:10,880
And he shot to kill.
1199
00:54:10,948 --> 00:54:14,149
- And so, before Sunday,
July 3rd was half gone,
1200
00:54:14,218 --> 00:54:16,819
Chad wallin-reed was booked,
and strip searched,
1201
00:54:16,821 --> 00:54:19,287
And locked up
in the plumas county jail.
1202
00:54:19,357 --> 00:54:22,624
The charge?
Attempted murder.
1203
00:54:22,693 --> 00:54:26,229
What was that like
when they took him?
1204
00:54:26,297 --> 00:54:33,001
- It's very, very hard for them
to take my husband away.
1205
00:54:34,371 --> 00:54:36,038
- Didn't expect it?
- No.
1206
00:54:36,106 --> 00:54:41,009
I never envisioned
being away from my husband.
1207
00:54:41,078 --> 00:54:43,578
- Back in the woods
at chad's cabin,
1208
00:54:43,647 --> 00:54:45,580
The detectives who arrested him
prowled the property
1209
00:54:45,582 --> 00:54:48,317
Still decorated in
4th of July bunting,
1210
00:54:48,385 --> 00:54:49,985
Looking for evidence.
1211
00:54:50,054 --> 00:54:52,921
- The ar-15 was inside on the--
on the gunrack.
1212
00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:55,858
There was also a closet
inside the cabin that contained,
1213
00:54:55,926 --> 00:55:01,930
Uh, large amounts of ammunition
for various guns, shotguns.
1214
00:55:01,999 --> 00:55:03,665
- And out on the edge
of chad's property,
1215
00:55:03,734 --> 00:55:05,934
Out near the road,
the detectives found
1216
00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:09,071
That unusual
no trespassing sign.
1217
00:55:09,139 --> 00:55:12,140
You are entering the r.O.C.,
the sign said,
1218
00:55:12,209 --> 00:55:14,677
Which meant
the republic of chad.
1219
00:55:14,745 --> 00:55:16,279
This is a restricted area.
1220
00:55:16,347 --> 00:55:18,947
Only red-blooded patriotic
christian americans
1221
00:55:19,016 --> 00:55:20,550
Are authorized for access.
1222
00:55:20,617 --> 00:55:23,752
The use of deadly force
is authorized for use
1223
00:55:23,821 --> 00:55:26,555
On those found
in non-compliance.
1224
00:55:26,624 --> 00:55:28,090
The young men in the car
thought it was
1225
00:55:28,092 --> 00:55:32,561
Some kind of joke.
Doesn't seem that way now.
1226
00:55:32,629 --> 00:55:34,964
At the very same time,
still July 3rd,
1227
00:55:35,032 --> 00:55:37,766
The driver of the shot up car,
rory mcguire,
1228
00:55:37,835 --> 00:55:40,035
Was in a reno hospital.
1229
00:55:40,104 --> 00:55:43,705
His mother, carol starzer,
by his bedside in the icu
1230
00:55:43,707 --> 00:55:46,309
As he lay with
a bullet in his brain.
1231
00:55:46,377 --> 00:55:47,642
- It was horrible.
1232
00:55:47,711 --> 00:55:49,911
I didn't know what
critical condition meant,
1233
00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:51,446
So I really didn't know
1234
00:55:51,515 --> 00:55:54,584
Critical meant
probably not gonna make it.
1235
00:55:54,651 --> 00:55:57,986
And the nurse immediately--
her face--
1236
00:55:57,988 --> 00:56:01,857
She looked at me.
I knew.
1237
00:56:01,859 --> 00:56:03,458
- But it was weird,
said carol,
1238
00:56:03,527 --> 00:56:06,661
When she saw rory lying there
unconscious.
1239
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:09,264
- And he actually
looked perfect.
1240
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:10,999
I was very shocked.
1241
00:56:11,068 --> 00:56:14,603
Except for the plate that
they placed over his head
1242
00:56:14,672 --> 00:56:17,739
Where the bullet went in, um,
1243
00:56:17,741 --> 00:56:21,877
I-I just remember him
as looking like he was asleep.
1244
00:56:21,945 --> 00:56:25,014
- It's a sight you can't
probably get outta your head.
1245
00:56:25,082 --> 00:56:29,351
- Every day, I think of that.
1246
00:56:29,419 --> 00:56:33,622
I think of that
every single day.
1247
00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:35,357
- Rory's father,
carol's ex-husband,
1248
00:56:35,425 --> 00:56:37,159
Dave mcguire, came, too.
1249
00:56:37,227 --> 00:56:42,431
Tried not successfully
to hold back his soaring rage.
1250
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:44,833
A soldier did this?
1251
00:56:44,835 --> 00:56:47,102
- I put myself
in that same scenario,
1252
00:56:47,171 --> 00:56:49,839
And-and if I needed to,
I would defend myself,
1253
00:56:49,907 --> 00:56:52,975
But once it's over,
it's my responsibility
1254
00:56:52,977 --> 00:56:58,447
To-to render aid.
1255
00:56:58,449 --> 00:57:01,650
This is not a battle zone.
1256
00:57:01,718 --> 00:57:05,455
This isn't some hick town
in-in california.
1257
00:57:05,522 --> 00:57:07,789
- Around the same time,
at the jail in quincy,
1258
00:57:07,858 --> 00:57:09,257
An hour and a half away,
1259
00:57:09,326 --> 00:57:11,993
Chad placed
a telephone call to his father.
1260
00:57:12,062 --> 00:57:14,931
The call, of course,
was recorded.
1261
00:57:31,215 --> 00:57:33,015
- But as the hours
stretched through the night
1262
00:57:33,017 --> 00:57:34,549
Into July 4th,
1263
00:57:34,618 --> 00:57:37,086
Chad began to see more
and more clearly
1264
00:57:37,153 --> 00:57:41,123
That he was not to blame.
Those men shot at him,
1265
00:57:41,125 --> 00:57:43,760
And he never set out
to hurt anyone.
1266
00:57:43,827 --> 00:57:45,694
- I can honestly
sit there and say
1267
00:57:45,696 --> 00:57:46,962
I didn't get in my vehicle.
1268
00:57:47,031 --> 00:57:50,432
I didn't sit there at the moment
I had the ar-15 sayin',
1269
00:57:50,501 --> 00:57:53,569
"I'm gonna pick this weapon,
and I'm gonna go down there,
1270
00:57:53,571 --> 00:57:55,303
And I'm gonna
kill these guys."
1271
00:57:55,372 --> 00:57:57,907
Heck no. No way.
- Yeah.
1272
00:57:57,975 --> 00:58:00,710
- There ain't no way.
1273
00:58:00,777 --> 00:58:04,112
- In fact, thought chad,
it was really he and his family
1274
00:58:04,181 --> 00:58:06,315
Who were the victims here.
1275
00:58:06,383 --> 00:58:09,252
- If they had never shot at me--
- uh-huh.
1276
00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:11,453
- There would be no reason
for a gun.
1277
00:58:11,455 --> 00:58:13,321
There would have been
no reason for me to fire,
1278
00:58:13,323 --> 00:58:15,190
To shoot,
to use the firearm.
1279
00:58:15,192 --> 00:58:16,459
You know, in my mind frame,
1280
00:58:16,527 --> 00:58:18,828
These people are
trying to kill me.
1281
00:58:18,896 --> 00:58:22,064
- Kerri visited her husband
in jail to tell him that
1282
00:58:22,066 --> 00:58:26,668
She was in his corner and
would always be, no matter what.
1283
00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:28,537
Do you wish that
he'd just kind of stopped
1284
00:58:28,605 --> 00:58:30,672
Along the way somewhere and
said, "oh, to hell with it,"
1285
00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:33,276
And just let them go
and come back?"
1286
00:58:33,343 --> 00:58:34,343
- No.
1287
00:58:34,411 --> 00:58:37,947
- 'cause you wouldn't
have this problem now.
1288
00:58:38,015 --> 00:58:40,615
- Yeah.
I guess, to a point,
1289
00:58:40,684 --> 00:58:44,586
As far as a problem being
that my husband is not at home,
1290
00:58:44,655 --> 00:58:47,023
But we would still be in fear
1291
00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:50,092
That these people
would come back to our--
1292
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,363
To terrorize us more.
He was protecting us.
1293
00:58:55,432 --> 00:58:58,033
He was making sure
that we were safe.
1294
00:58:58,101 --> 00:59:01,103
- And then, as the long
holiday weekend wound down,
1295
00:59:01,105 --> 00:59:04,706
It got even worse
for all of them.
1296
00:59:04,708 --> 00:59:07,242
Rory mcguire died.
1297
00:59:07,311 --> 00:59:09,844
- He hemorrhaged a couple hours
after we got there,
1298
00:59:09,913 --> 00:59:11,613
And that was--
that was the end.
1299
00:59:11,683 --> 00:59:12,581
He was gone.
1300
00:59:12,583 --> 00:59:14,917
He was brain dead,
at that point.
1301
00:59:14,985 --> 00:59:18,720
- How do you get used to a thing
like that happening to ya?
1302
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:22,792
- I still feel like
he's in the meadow,
1303
00:59:22,859 --> 00:59:23,992
In the car,
in the meadow.
1304
00:59:24,061 --> 00:59:27,429
I still feel like
I need to go help him.
1305
00:59:27,497 --> 00:59:30,198
- It changes life forever.
- Forever.
1306
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,301
We'll never be the same.
1307
00:59:33,303 --> 00:59:35,537
- And a few hours later,
the loving husband,
1308
00:59:35,605 --> 00:59:39,941
Doting father,
army ranger chad wallin-reed
1309
00:59:39,943 --> 00:59:43,545
Was now an accused...
- Murderer.
1310
00:59:43,613 --> 00:59:47,149
They took me back down
to the booking area.
1311
00:59:47,151 --> 00:59:50,752
"you're being charged with
first degree murder."
1312
00:59:50,821 --> 00:59:55,758
- What did that feel like?
- I can't describe it.
1313
00:59:55,826 --> 00:59:58,560
When you look at
the word "murder,"
1314
00:59:58,629 --> 01:00:05,033
And it describes heinous,
premeditated, malicious,
1315
01:00:05,102 --> 01:00:11,506
Aforethought,
that's pretty, uh,
1316
01:00:11,575 --> 01:00:13,709
That's pretty grotesque.
1317
01:00:13,711 --> 01:00:15,778
- Bail was set at
a million dollar,
1318
01:00:15,846 --> 01:00:19,114
Money chad and his family
did not have.
1319
01:00:19,183 --> 01:00:21,850
But out there,
out in the wider world,
1320
01:00:21,919 --> 01:00:26,055
A new issue was emerging
called "stand your ground,"
1321
01:00:26,123 --> 01:00:29,124
And, also,
a certain attorney discovered,
1322
01:00:29,193 --> 01:00:31,926
There were some tiny specks
of evidence
1323
01:00:31,995 --> 01:00:35,831
At the crime scene
that just might set chad free.
1324
01:00:38,368 --> 01:00:40,235
- Coming up...
1325
01:00:40,304 --> 01:00:44,472
The evidence that chad's
attorney says backs him up.
1326
01:00:44,541 --> 01:00:47,143
- They found
the three .380 casings
1327
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:49,377
That were
not from chad's gun.
1328
01:00:49,379 --> 01:00:52,714
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
1329
01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:59,220
♪♪
1330
01:00:59,289 --> 01:01:01,691
Welcome back.
Rory mcguire was dead,
1331
01:01:01,758 --> 01:01:05,161
And chad wallin-reed was
now charged with his murder.
1332
01:01:05,228 --> 01:01:07,429
The army vet
continued to insist
1333
01:01:07,497 --> 01:01:10,165
He pulled the trigger
in self-defense,
1334
01:01:10,233 --> 01:01:12,233
And an unexpected ally
was about to
1335
01:01:12,302 --> 01:01:14,235
Help him make his case.
1336
01:01:14,304 --> 01:01:16,971
When it was time for the trial,
the defense would be
1337
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,575
Armed with evidence they said
showed chad's accusers
1338
01:01:20,577 --> 01:01:23,044
Were not as innocent
as it seemed.
1339
01:01:23,113 --> 01:01:26,382
Here again is keith morrison
with "miles from nowhere."
1340
01:01:28,585 --> 01:01:31,420
- For most of two years,
often twice a week,
1341
01:01:31,488 --> 01:01:33,555
Kerri wallin-reed
drove back and forth
1342
01:01:33,557 --> 01:01:34,723
Through the high sierra
1343
01:01:34,792 --> 01:01:38,059
To visit her husband
in the plumas county lockup.
1344
01:01:38,061 --> 01:01:42,063
Not easy, any of it.
- It's horrible.
1345
01:01:42,132 --> 01:01:47,936
It's just the worst, um,
being without my husband,
1346
01:01:48,004 --> 01:01:51,005
And-and, um, the children
being without their father
1347
01:01:51,074 --> 01:01:55,143
Is just--
it's-it's unimaginable.
1348
01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:59,547
- And the children stayed home
and worried mostly.
1349
01:01:59,549 --> 01:02:04,753
- Sometimes I've been frightened
and cried for my dad.
1350
01:02:04,821 --> 01:02:07,956
And when he's sick,
I cry hard
1351
01:02:08,024 --> 01:02:10,291
Because I don't know
if-if he might die
1352
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:15,631
From if he's sick
or if he'll be okay.
1353
01:02:17,567 --> 01:02:21,370
- At the very same time,
rory mcguire's mother, carol,
1354
01:02:21,438 --> 01:02:27,309
Cried for a son, the future,
an expectation gone forever.
1355
01:02:27,311 --> 01:02:29,577
What do you think
is the appropriate thing
1356
01:02:29,579 --> 01:02:31,247
That should happen to this man?
1357
01:02:31,314 --> 01:02:35,850
- Never step foot
outside of prison ever again,
1358
01:02:35,919 --> 01:02:38,052
Not be able to see-- have--
1359
01:02:38,121 --> 01:02:40,455
Not have conjugal visits
with his wife,
1360
01:02:40,524 --> 01:02:43,124
Not-not be able to
see his children
1361
01:02:43,193 --> 01:02:45,593
Go through birthdays
and marriages and--
1362
01:02:45,595 --> 01:02:49,998
'cause I now am cut short of
all of that with my son.
1363
01:02:50,066 --> 01:02:52,467
- And in little quincy,
stuck in his cell,
1364
01:02:52,536 --> 01:02:54,068
Chad had all the time
in the world
1365
01:02:54,137 --> 01:02:56,404
To think about what he did.
1366
01:02:56,473 --> 01:02:59,607
- There's this triple effect of,
well, if you never had a gun,
1367
01:02:59,609 --> 01:03:01,010
This never--
woulda never happened.
1368
01:03:01,077 --> 01:03:03,811
But then I--
somethin' just drives me inside
1369
01:03:03,881 --> 01:03:08,084
To say they were wrong.
1370
01:03:08,151 --> 01:03:11,020
They scared your family.
1371
01:03:11,087 --> 01:03:12,821
- Chad found himself
fuming about
1372
01:03:12,889 --> 01:03:14,956
The first degree murder charge
against him--
1373
01:03:14,958 --> 01:03:18,293
Felt his alleged victims
were the ones in the wrong.
1374
01:03:18,361 --> 01:03:20,229
- Did they deserve
to be stopped?
1375
01:03:20,297 --> 01:03:22,030
Absolutely.
1376
01:03:22,098 --> 01:03:25,433
They don't deserve the right
to do that to people.
1377
01:03:25,502 --> 01:03:27,702
- Fuming is possibly
all chad might have done
1378
01:03:27,771 --> 01:03:30,171
Except a prominent
defense attorney
1379
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,842
Named john ohlson
heard about chad's predicament
1380
01:03:33,844 --> 01:03:38,446
And saw a way, he believed,
to set him free.
1381
01:03:38,515 --> 01:03:39,981
This sort of
stand your ground idea?
1382
01:03:40,050 --> 01:03:41,649
- Yeah, yeah.
1383
01:03:41,651 --> 01:03:44,986
- California doesn't have
a stand your ground law per se
1384
01:03:44,988 --> 01:03:45,987
Like some states do,
1385
01:03:46,056 --> 01:03:48,656
But there is a state
jury instruction that says
1386
01:03:48,725 --> 01:03:50,859
A person under threat
has a right
1387
01:03:50,927 --> 01:03:55,530
To stand his or her ground
and even pursue an assailant.
1388
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:57,732
Chad wallin-reed,
said attorney ohlson,
1389
01:03:57,801 --> 01:03:59,534
Is just the sort of person
1390
01:03:59,536 --> 01:04:02,938
For whom
that defense was intended.
1391
01:04:03,006 --> 01:04:06,275
- He's not a gangbanger.
1392
01:04:06,343 --> 01:04:09,144
He doesn't have
a criminal record.
1393
01:04:09,146 --> 01:04:11,614
He has a-a good,
clean military record.
1394
01:04:11,681 --> 01:04:14,349
- Chad began looking forward to
a trial--
1395
01:04:14,417 --> 01:04:16,751
Turned down a deal
from the d.A.
1396
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:17,952
- There's a story to be told.
1397
01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:19,488
There's thing that
need to come out.
1398
01:04:19,556 --> 01:04:26,361
I think that a trial will, um,
be a rather awakening.
1399
01:04:26,429 --> 01:04:29,631
- But first,
they had to choose a jury,
1400
01:04:29,699 --> 01:04:32,367
Which would be a fight
in pretty little quincy,
1401
01:04:32,369 --> 01:04:34,570
A place composed of
gun-owning country folk
1402
01:04:34,638 --> 01:04:38,106
And liberal
big city transplants.
1403
01:04:38,174 --> 01:04:40,842
- There were a lot of letters
to the editor
1404
01:04:40,911 --> 01:04:42,176
Of the local paper,
1405
01:04:42,245 --> 01:04:44,180
And I think they were
pretty evenly divided
1406
01:04:44,247 --> 01:04:45,713
Between people saying that
1407
01:04:45,715 --> 01:04:47,582
The state ought to
reimburse chad
1408
01:04:47,584 --> 01:04:52,454
The cost of his ammunition
and people saying, you know,
1409
01:04:52,522 --> 01:04:54,055
I moved up here
from the bay area
1410
01:04:54,124 --> 01:04:56,524
To get away from all this,
and people shouldn't have guns,
1411
01:04:56,526 --> 01:04:59,060
And they shouldn't shoot guns.
1412
01:04:59,062 --> 01:05:01,529
- When the trial began,
ohlson seemed satisfied
1413
01:05:01,598 --> 01:05:04,933
With the jury he got.
Could go either way but...
1414
01:05:05,001 --> 01:05:09,270
- My desire is to walk him
out of that courtroom.
1415
01:05:09,339 --> 01:05:12,074
Take him by the elbow and
lead him out of the courtroom.
1416
01:05:12,142 --> 01:05:13,741
Turn him over to his family.
1417
01:05:13,810 --> 01:05:17,012
- Here is how ohlson presented
his stand your ground defense
1418
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,180
In his opening to the jury.
1419
01:05:24,421 --> 01:05:26,287
- Ohlson told the jury
his client was
1420
01:05:26,289 --> 01:05:29,023
A protective family man
doing what he felt
1421
01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:30,758
He had to do as a father
1422
01:05:30,827 --> 01:05:33,695
After those menacing visits
to his house.
1423
01:05:33,763 --> 01:05:35,230
- After this
Friday night incident,
1424
01:05:35,232 --> 01:05:37,232
They were afraid,
and I think it sets the tone
1425
01:05:37,234 --> 01:05:38,500
For his state of mind.
1426
01:05:38,568 --> 01:05:40,568
- He wanted to protect those
two sweet little girls.
1427
01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:41,769
- Yes.
1428
01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:42,971
- And you wanna show the jury
the sweet little girls
1429
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,840
He wanted to protect.
- Sure.
1430
01:05:45,909 --> 01:05:47,041
Fair enough, huh?
1431
01:05:47,110 --> 01:05:49,978
- And some of the jury wept
as 12-year-old darlin
1432
01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:52,780
Repeated the story she told us
about the night
1433
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:54,515
The men came to their property.
1434
01:05:54,584 --> 01:05:57,118
- And I remember
asking my dad and mom,
1435
01:05:57,187 --> 01:05:58,787
"what are you gonna do
if they come back,
1436
01:05:58,855 --> 01:06:02,657
And what would happen
if somebody got hurt?"
1437
01:06:02,726 --> 01:06:03,726
- What'd they say?
1438
01:06:03,793 --> 01:06:07,261
- They said that everything
was going to be okay
1439
01:06:07,330 --> 01:06:13,869
And that, um, my dad is here
to protect us.
1440
01:06:13,937 --> 01:06:15,470
He can protect us.
1441
01:06:15,539 --> 01:06:18,272
- Then kerri,
chad's devoted wife,
1442
01:06:18,341 --> 01:06:21,409
Took the stand determined
to protect her husband
1443
01:06:21,411 --> 01:06:24,846
Just as she believed
he protected her that night.
1444
01:06:29,953 --> 01:06:32,521
- It scared us
tr-tremendously.
1445
01:06:32,589 --> 01:06:35,023
- "and that's the reason
chad chased those men,"
1446
01:06:35,025 --> 01:06:37,292
Said kerri.
"he was no monster."
1447
01:06:41,765 --> 01:06:43,232
- Distraught.
1448
01:06:45,569 --> 01:06:47,002
No.
1449
01:06:49,306 --> 01:06:50,905
He was.
1450
01:06:50,974 --> 01:06:53,041
- The whole case, of course,
would boil down
1451
01:06:53,110 --> 01:06:57,378
To whether chad was fired upon
and shot back in self-defense.
1452
01:06:57,380 --> 01:07:00,381
Ohlson said the evidence
backed chad up.
1453
01:07:00,383 --> 01:07:01,449
- I think
we'll pretty well prove
1454
01:07:01,518 --> 01:07:05,987
That there was a gun
in the victim's car
1455
01:07:05,989 --> 01:07:08,057
And that they fired
at chad.
1456
01:07:08,124 --> 01:07:11,526
- "the young men in that car
not exactly boy scouts,"
1457
01:07:11,595 --> 01:07:12,727
Said ohlson.
1458
01:07:12,796 --> 01:07:16,798
- Well, the police asked
these people if they had guns.
1459
01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:19,001
- Mm-hmm.
- And they said, "no,
1460
01:07:19,069 --> 01:07:21,370
"we wouldn't carry guns.
We would never carry guns."
1461
01:07:21,438 --> 01:07:23,404
And one of 'em we have
a facebook page
1462
01:07:23,473 --> 01:07:25,807
Displaying a--
both a gun and a knife.
1463
01:07:25,876 --> 01:07:28,409
- "and they must have had a gun
that night," said ohlson,
1464
01:07:28,478 --> 01:07:30,678
Because on the route
of the chase,
1465
01:07:30,747 --> 01:07:33,547
Investigators found
three shell casings,
1466
01:07:33,617 --> 01:07:37,351
Casings that did not match
any of chad's guns.
1467
01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:38,686
- The interesting thing now
is, he said,
1468
01:07:38,755 --> 01:07:39,955
"they shot at me
three times,"
1469
01:07:40,023 --> 01:07:43,825
And they found the three
.380 casings
1470
01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:47,829
That were, um, together
that were not from chad's gun.
1471
01:07:47,897 --> 01:07:48,896
- Mm-hmm.
1472
01:07:48,965 --> 01:07:50,932
- Corresponding
with the three shots.
1473
01:07:50,934 --> 01:07:53,234
- And there was another
truly stunning clue
1474
01:07:53,303 --> 01:07:55,903
Collected on the night
of the shooting, said ohlson.
1475
01:07:55,905 --> 01:07:57,905
According to
his forensic expert,
1476
01:07:57,974 --> 01:08:01,776
There was gun residue
inside the young men's car
1477
01:08:01,778 --> 01:08:04,312
And even on
some of their hands.
1478
01:08:04,314 --> 01:08:06,248
- Somebody shot
out of that car.
1479
01:08:06,316 --> 01:08:07,449
- Because?
1480
01:08:07,517 --> 01:08:10,252
- Because of the gunshot
residue in the car,
1481
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,387
The lack of bullet strikes
on that side of the car,
1482
01:08:13,456 --> 01:08:15,858
And the gunshot residue
on the hand
1483
01:08:15,925 --> 01:08:18,726
Of the person who was riding
shotgun, if you will.
1484
01:08:18,795 --> 01:08:20,795
- And why did chad
keep shooting at the car
1485
01:08:20,865 --> 01:08:22,797
After it made a u-turn?
1486
01:08:22,866 --> 01:08:25,800
"very good reason,"
said his attorney.
1487
01:08:25,802 --> 01:08:26,667
- If they turn around
1488
01:08:26,736 --> 01:08:28,669
And were coming back
out of there,
1489
01:08:28,738 --> 01:08:30,471
Those two cars would be
on the same track
1490
01:08:30,540 --> 01:08:33,342
With the car
coming right at him,
1491
01:08:33,409 --> 01:08:36,143
And he's been fired on
already coming back on--
1492
01:08:36,213 --> 01:08:37,346
Back towards him.
1493
01:08:37,413 --> 01:08:39,480
He thinks they're firing
on him, again.
1494
01:08:39,549 --> 01:08:42,950
- Chad declined to take
the stand in his own defense,
1495
01:08:43,019 --> 01:08:44,485
So the jury
didn't get to hear him say
1496
01:08:44,554 --> 01:08:45,953
He did the right thing.
1497
01:08:46,022 --> 01:08:49,091
He did what he had to do
when he squeezed the trigger.
1498
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:50,826
Is it possible
you were wrong, though?
1499
01:08:50,894 --> 01:08:53,228
- No.
1500
01:08:53,296 --> 01:08:55,497
- So, a case
for self-defense
1501
01:08:55,565 --> 01:08:58,499
Any jury
would have to take seriously,
1502
01:08:58,568 --> 01:09:00,569
And thus prosecutor
david hollister's
1503
01:09:00,637 --> 01:09:02,370
Big challenge.
1504
01:09:02,372 --> 01:09:05,106
Time to bring out
a little ammunition,
1505
01:09:05,175 --> 01:09:08,676
A literal trail of evidence
through the grass,
1506
01:09:08,745 --> 01:09:12,113
A sticky,
brownish-black mess
1507
01:09:12,182 --> 01:09:14,583
That told
a fascinating story.
1508
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,388
- Rory's best friend
comes face-to-face
1509
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:22,189
With the man who shot him.
1510
01:09:22,259 --> 01:09:24,058
- When I looked at him,
my heart kinda jumped.
1511
01:09:24,060 --> 01:09:27,095
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
1512
01:09:30,532 --> 01:09:36,137
♪♪
1513
01:09:36,139 --> 01:09:38,072
- The old
plumas county courthouse,
1514
01:09:38,141 --> 01:09:40,608
Solid and lovely
in the autumn sun,
1515
01:09:40,677 --> 01:09:42,610
Has pride of place here
on main street
1516
01:09:42,679 --> 01:09:44,613
In quincy, california.
1517
01:09:44,681 --> 01:09:48,749
Inside, up on the top floor,
is an overworked d.A.'s office,
1518
01:09:48,818 --> 01:09:51,420
All too accustomed to
the limited funding abilities
1519
01:09:51,487 --> 01:09:53,021
Of a small county,
1520
01:09:53,089 --> 01:09:55,157
A fact of life
david hollister had to consider
1521
01:09:55,225 --> 01:09:58,894
Very carefully as he prepared
to prosecute chad wallin-reed
1522
01:09:58,962 --> 01:10:00,896
For first degree murder.
1523
01:10:00,964 --> 01:10:04,098
- We better do this case right,
and we'd better do it once
1524
01:10:04,167 --> 01:10:07,101
Because that's about, uh,
our-our only shot at it.
1525
01:10:07,170 --> 01:10:08,436
- Trouble was...
1526
01:10:08,504 --> 01:10:11,572
- This was a difficult case,
uh, from the start.
1527
01:10:11,641 --> 01:10:14,175
- The defendant, after all,
was not just a family man,
1528
01:10:14,243 --> 01:10:17,312
The father of these
three adorable children.
1529
01:10:17,380 --> 01:10:19,914
He was, as he told
the detectives, ex-military,
1530
01:10:19,916 --> 01:10:21,916
Once an army ranger.
1531
01:10:21,985 --> 01:10:23,318
You don't get to be
one of those
1532
01:10:23,386 --> 01:10:26,854
Without good judgment
and real character.
1533
01:10:26,923 --> 01:10:29,924
And on top of that,
there was that wild card jury,
1534
01:10:29,993 --> 01:10:31,326
People who needed
to be persuaded
1535
01:10:31,394 --> 01:10:34,061
That chad showed
bad judgment
1536
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:35,930
And very poor character.
1537
01:10:35,999 --> 01:10:37,131
- Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
1538
01:10:37,133 --> 01:10:38,300
The evidence is gonna show
1539
01:10:38,367 --> 01:10:40,201
The defendant was not
in imminent danger
1540
01:10:40,203 --> 01:10:43,071
When he fired those shots.
1541
01:10:43,139 --> 01:10:44,472
He was angry,
1542
01:10:44,474 --> 01:10:46,807
And he was mad that they were
trying to get away.
1543
01:10:46,876 --> 01:10:48,542
- To set the scene,
so to speak,
1544
01:10:48,611 --> 01:10:50,946
Prosecutor hollister
showed the jury the video
1545
01:10:51,014 --> 01:10:53,681
Shot by that
reality show cameraman
1546
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:55,683
Now part of
the public record.
1547
01:10:55,685 --> 01:10:58,687
- I'll cover this guy here.
- This was graphic stuff.
1548
01:10:58,755 --> 01:11:01,757
Right there, in living color,
the bloodied bodies
1549
01:11:01,824 --> 01:11:05,293
Of injured and apparently
terrified young men.
1550
01:11:05,361 --> 01:11:07,896
The officers trying to attend
to their medical needs.
1551
01:11:07,964 --> 01:11:09,497
- Breathe through your nose.
1552
01:11:09,566 --> 01:11:11,432
- How important
was that video?
1553
01:11:11,434 --> 01:11:16,237
- It gave the jury
a true understanding
1554
01:11:16,305 --> 01:11:18,239
Of the horror that happened
that night.
1555
01:11:18,241 --> 01:11:21,976
I mean, you've got lewis smyth
with, uh, his leg propped up
1556
01:11:21,978 --> 01:11:23,178
And the tourniquet there,
1557
01:11:23,246 --> 01:11:25,846
And you've got
rory mcguire in the backseat
1558
01:11:25,915 --> 01:11:28,249
With-with a horrible
head injury.
1559
01:11:28,251 --> 01:11:32,119
I mean, that's something
I can't capture in words.
1560
01:11:32,188 --> 01:11:34,456
- Lewis smyth, the young man
you met earlier,
1561
01:11:34,524 --> 01:11:36,257
Was a key witness
for the state.
1562
01:11:36,325 --> 01:11:38,793
Remember, that bullet
from chad's ar-15
1563
01:11:38,861 --> 01:11:40,461
Shredded lewis' leg.
1564
01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:42,197
He was frankly
lucky to keep the leg
1565
01:11:42,265 --> 01:11:44,265
And survive the night.
1566
01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:46,000
Did you see the defendant
1567
01:11:46,002 --> 01:11:47,335
Sitting over there
in the courtroom?
1568
01:11:47,403 --> 01:11:49,737
- I only looked at him
once or twice.
1569
01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:52,474
My heart kinda jumped,
and I knew it was him.
1570
01:11:52,542 --> 01:11:54,809
- Lewis had been
a nervous wreck
1571
01:11:54,811 --> 01:11:56,410
Since all this happened
he told us,
1572
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,012
And in court
he was no less nervous
1573
01:11:58,014 --> 01:11:58,946
As he told the jury
1574
01:11:58,948 --> 01:12:01,682
About seeing
the green lasered gunsight,
1575
01:12:01,751 --> 01:12:04,819
About the flurries of shots
fired by the defendant,
1576
01:12:04,821 --> 01:12:09,290
About the young men's efforts
to end the car chase.
1577
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:10,759
- First of all, they fled.
1578
01:12:10,827 --> 01:12:12,494
They drove as fast
as they could.
1579
01:12:12,562 --> 01:12:14,095
They threw out
the solar lights.
1580
01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:16,230
They held a white t-shirt
out the window.
1581
01:12:16,299 --> 01:12:18,365
If you wanna look
at a textbook definition
1582
01:12:18,435 --> 01:12:21,235
For doing everything you can
in your power to withdraw,
1583
01:12:21,304 --> 01:12:24,438
To say, "no more,
we're done," they did it.
1584
01:12:24,507 --> 01:12:25,974
- "but yet,"
said the prosecutor,
1585
01:12:26,042 --> 01:12:28,375
"chad kept right on shooting."
1586
01:12:28,445 --> 01:12:30,244
- He told the detectives,
"you know, I-I think
1587
01:12:30,313 --> 01:12:31,912
"that might have been
a white flag."
1588
01:12:31,981 --> 01:12:33,581
I don't think there's
any question those kids
1589
01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:35,850
Did everything they could
to give up.
1590
01:12:35,919 --> 01:12:36,984
- But here's the thing.
1591
01:12:36,986 --> 01:12:38,920
If the young men
fired at chad first,
1592
01:12:38,988 --> 01:12:41,522
As the defense went to
a lot of trouble to prove,
1593
01:12:41,591 --> 01:12:45,193
Then maybe chad's reaction
was reasonable.
1594
01:12:45,261 --> 01:12:48,463
But did they fire a gun?
Did they even have one?
1595
01:12:48,465 --> 01:12:50,998
Remember those three
non-chad shell casings
1596
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,066
Found on the road
1597
01:12:52,068 --> 01:12:54,368
That the defense made
such a big fuss about?
1598
01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:56,271
"couldn't have been
from the young men,"
1599
01:12:56,339 --> 01:12:59,474
Said the prosecutor.
And how did he know?
1600
01:12:59,542 --> 01:13:02,411
Simple law of speed
versus gravity.
1601
01:13:02,478 --> 01:13:03,612
- You're telling me--
1602
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:07,014
These kids are fleeing
at 50 miles an hour.
1603
01:13:07,016 --> 01:13:09,484
You're telling me
that they fired three shots.
1604
01:13:09,552 --> 01:13:12,086
The casings are a foot
and a half apart.
1605
01:13:12,155 --> 01:13:14,022
At 50 miles an hour,
that's outrageous.
1606
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:15,723
That's crazy.
1607
01:13:15,792 --> 01:13:18,326
- But remember, the defense
forensic expert was clear
1608
01:13:18,328 --> 01:13:21,763
There was gunshot residue
in the young men's car
1609
01:13:21,831 --> 01:13:23,030
And on some of their hands
1610
01:13:23,099 --> 01:13:26,867
Proving they must have
fired a gun, must have,
1611
01:13:26,936 --> 01:13:30,505
To which david hollister
replied, "nonsense."
1612
01:13:30,507 --> 01:13:32,907
That defense expert
must not have been privy
1613
01:13:32,975 --> 01:13:34,642
To all the evidence.
1614
01:13:34,710 --> 01:13:38,312
- The gunshot residue
really wasn't gunshot residue.
1615
01:13:38,381 --> 01:13:42,383
Uh, it was elements that could
make up gunshot residue.
1616
01:13:42,451 --> 01:13:46,120
Any time a car is hit with
that many high velocity rounds
1617
01:13:46,122 --> 01:13:47,722
From-from an ar-15,
1618
01:13:47,724 --> 01:13:49,590
You're gonna expect
to see lead.
1619
01:13:49,659 --> 01:13:52,393
- Ahh, yes,
but expert versus expert?
1620
01:13:52,461 --> 01:13:55,263
Matter of opinion?
How would a jury know?
1621
01:13:55,331 --> 01:13:57,198
What the state needed,
was something that would prove
1622
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,335
Beyond a reasonable doubt
that chad was lying
1623
01:14:00,403 --> 01:14:03,138
About what happened
out there in the night.
1624
01:14:03,206 --> 01:14:08,008
And seemed like maybe
they had just exactly that.
1625
01:14:08,077 --> 01:14:09,210
Remember chad's insistence
1626
01:14:09,278 --> 01:14:11,146
That the car
came straight at him
1627
01:14:11,214 --> 01:14:13,815
Through the meadow,
as if for a final showdown?
1628
01:14:13,883 --> 01:14:15,282
And it looked like they were
coming straight at you.
1629
01:14:15,351 --> 01:14:16,551
- Yeah. I mean, yeah.
- Like an--
1630
01:14:16,553 --> 01:14:18,619
Lookin' like an assault.
- Right.
1631
01:14:18,688 --> 01:14:19,887
- Looked like
they were attacking you.
1632
01:14:19,889 --> 01:14:24,291
- Right.
It was just... My...
1633
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,560
My frame of mind
was that these people
1634
01:14:26,629 --> 01:14:28,563
Were coming back
to shoot at me.
1635
01:14:28,565 --> 01:14:32,033
I had swerved my vehicle
out of the way of their vehicle.
1636
01:14:32,035 --> 01:14:33,367
I mean, they were
coming straight back at me.
1637
01:14:33,436 --> 01:14:36,437
We were nose-to-nose.
1638
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,106
- But, as the prosecutor
told the jury,
1639
01:14:39,175 --> 01:14:42,776
Evidence found in the meadow
told a very different story.
1640
01:14:42,845 --> 01:14:45,246
The detectives
took us there to show us.
1641
01:14:45,248 --> 01:14:48,015
Remember how
the young men's car hit a rock,
1642
01:14:48,017 --> 01:14:50,218
Cracked open the oil pan?
1643
01:14:50,286 --> 01:14:53,387
The dripping oil
left a distinctive trail.
1644
01:14:53,389 --> 01:14:55,055
- And then we could see
the oil
1645
01:14:55,124 --> 01:14:58,260
That had been laid down
by rory mcguire's car.
1646
01:14:58,327 --> 01:15:00,128
- Using that trial of oil,
1647
01:15:00,196 --> 01:15:02,663
The prosecutor
had an animation created,
1648
01:15:02,732 --> 01:15:06,667
Which showed the car was not
heading toward chad's truck
1649
01:15:06,736 --> 01:15:08,802
But instead
was heading around it,
1650
01:15:08,871 --> 01:15:10,604
Away from chad.
1651
01:15:10,673 --> 01:15:12,473
- And where
detective hendrickson
is standing,
1652
01:15:12,475 --> 01:15:14,875
Is about where they
traveled past,
1653
01:15:14,877 --> 01:15:18,145
And then he started shooting
at their car.
1654
01:15:18,214 --> 01:15:19,813
- How do they know
where the car was
1655
01:15:19,882 --> 01:15:21,282
When it was hit?
1656
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:23,083
By the shattered glass
of its window,
1657
01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:26,087
Some of it still here
marking the spot,
1658
01:15:26,089 --> 01:15:28,889
And the glass told the story,
too, they said,
1659
01:15:28,891 --> 01:15:31,760
About the true intentions
of chad wallin-reed.
1660
01:15:31,827 --> 01:15:34,696
- His shot placement
was very, very well-placed.
1661
01:15:34,764 --> 01:15:36,830
It was head height,
1662
01:15:36,899 --> 01:15:39,132
Shooting at the windows
of the vehicle.
1663
01:15:39,202 --> 01:15:42,236
One went low into
the rear passenger door,
1664
01:15:42,305 --> 01:15:44,171
Which then went into
justin smyth's leg,
1665
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:45,472
But most of
the shot placement
1666
01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:47,707
Was all high,
head height.
1667
01:15:47,709 --> 01:15:50,911
- "in other words, chad wasn't
shooting to disable the car,"
1668
01:15:50,980 --> 01:15:52,446
Said the prosecutor.
1669
01:15:52,515 --> 01:15:53,647
"the evidence suggested
1670
01:15:53,716 --> 01:15:55,983
"he was shooting
to kill the occupants,
1671
01:15:56,052 --> 01:15:58,854
"even as they were
trying to get away."
1672
01:15:58,921 --> 01:16:04,326
- Was the defendant
in imminent fear
1673
01:16:04,393 --> 01:16:07,862
Of death
or great bodily injury,
1674
01:16:07,864 --> 01:16:14,001
So that he immediately
had to use deadly force?
1675
01:16:14,003 --> 01:16:16,470
Unequivocally,
the answer is no.
1676
01:16:16,539 --> 01:16:19,140
- So, what attitude, uh,
in your mind, did he have
1677
01:16:19,208 --> 01:16:21,742
When the-- when he took out
after those kids?
1678
01:16:21,744 --> 01:16:23,877
- The last words he said
before he got in the truck
1679
01:16:23,946 --> 01:16:26,680
Was, "I'm gonna go get
those sons of bitches."
1680
01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:28,615
And I think he meant it.
1681
01:16:28,685 --> 01:16:31,419
- The prosecutor
felt confident.
1682
01:16:31,487 --> 01:16:34,756
But in a town divided
over guns and self-protection,
1683
01:16:34,824 --> 01:16:38,226
Who could be sure
what the jury would decide?
1684
01:16:38,294 --> 01:16:41,696
This is exactly the kinda case
that leads to hung juries.
1685
01:16:41,764 --> 01:16:44,832
- Absolutely. Absolutely,
and that's a fear.
1686
01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:47,701
- In that case,
chad could walk
1687
01:16:47,770 --> 01:16:50,971
Since little quincy couldn't
afford to try him again.
1688
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,041
And then just as the trial
came to its end,
1689
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:56,511
A long sought
bit of information
1690
01:16:56,579 --> 01:17:00,714
Finally landed
in d.A. Hollister's mailbox.
1691
01:17:00,783 --> 01:17:02,583
Oh, my...
1692
01:17:02,651 --> 01:17:03,917
- I was shocked.
1693
01:17:03,986 --> 01:17:07,589
I don't think there's
any other way to put it.
1694
01:17:07,657 --> 01:17:11,725
- Coming up,
the twist no one saw coming.
1695
01:17:11,794 --> 01:17:14,461
- It was very clear
the defendant had lied
1696
01:17:14,463 --> 01:17:16,331
About something
you just don't lie about.
1697
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:19,000
- When "dateline:
Secrets uncovered" continues.
1698
01:17:30,212 --> 01:17:33,147
- It's not often that a gift
drops in a person's lap,
1699
01:17:33,215 --> 01:17:36,350
Manna from heaven,
exactly when it's most needed,
1700
01:17:36,419 --> 01:17:37,685
Which, in this case,
1701
01:17:37,753 --> 01:17:39,220
Just as the trial
was wrapping up,
1702
01:17:39,288 --> 01:17:42,223
Was a carefully sealed
official looking package
1703
01:17:42,225 --> 01:17:45,459
Addressed to plumas county
d.A. David hollister.
1704
01:17:45,528 --> 01:17:48,296
- Candidly, I give credit
to the detectives.
1705
01:17:48,364 --> 01:17:51,298
- He'd asked them
to track down
1706
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:53,834
Chad wallin-reed's
military records,
1707
01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:55,970
Just to confirm
his background.
1708
01:17:55,972 --> 01:17:58,439
- It was something
that we simply felt like
1709
01:17:58,507 --> 01:18:00,641
We had to follow through on.
1710
01:18:00,643 --> 01:18:03,377
- Remember, throughout
chad's interview with police,
1711
01:18:03,446 --> 01:18:06,413
He talked again and again
about his army career.
1712
01:18:12,788 --> 01:18:14,855
- Implying that what he did
in that meadow
1713
01:18:14,924 --> 01:18:18,026
He had first done
under enemy fire overseas.
1714
01:18:25,334 --> 01:18:28,703
- Maybe even that he'd been
having some sort of flashback.
1715
01:18:36,145 --> 01:18:37,411
- It took nine months,
1716
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:40,514
Many of them ensnarled
in military red tape,
1717
01:18:40,516 --> 01:18:43,018
But now
here were the records,
1718
01:18:43,085 --> 01:18:47,087
And what they revealed
was nothing short of shocking.
1719
01:18:47,089 --> 01:18:51,625
In here was conformation that
chad was in the army all right,
1720
01:18:51,694 --> 01:18:54,229
But that's about
all that was true.
1721
01:18:54,296 --> 01:18:55,963
- He was not a ranger.
1722
01:18:56,032 --> 01:18:57,631
He had not fulfilled
his commitment.
1723
01:18:57,700 --> 01:18:59,099
He had not served overseas.
1724
01:18:59,168 --> 01:19:00,701
He had not been
in combat overseas.
1725
01:19:00,703 --> 01:19:03,103
He had not killed people
on the other side of the world.
1726
01:19:03,172 --> 01:19:04,906
He had not done
any of those things.
1727
01:19:04,974 --> 01:19:08,743
- In fact, the army
asked chad to leave.
1728
01:19:08,811 --> 01:19:11,680
Discharged him for
forging sick leave papers
1729
01:19:11,747 --> 01:19:14,648
And bringing a personal firearm
into the barracks.
1730
01:19:14,717 --> 01:19:17,384
And this was perhaps
the worst--
1731
01:19:17,453 --> 01:19:21,588
For wearing a combat infantry
badge and a ranger tab
1732
01:19:21,657 --> 01:19:24,259
And other such badges,
when all of those things,
1733
01:19:24,326 --> 01:19:25,793
Which the jury
had been made to believe
1734
01:19:25,861 --> 01:19:27,328
About chad's military service
1735
01:19:27,396 --> 01:19:30,197
Based on his own statements
to police,
1736
01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:32,000
Were all lies.
1737
01:19:32,067 --> 01:19:36,137
- It was very clear
the defendant had lied
1738
01:19:36,205 --> 01:19:37,871
About something
you just don't lie about.
1739
01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:40,275
- Sure. And if he's gonna
lie about that...
1740
01:19:40,342 --> 01:19:41,675
- Absolutely.
1741
01:19:41,677 --> 01:19:44,411
His talk about,
"I only fired three shots,
1742
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:48,148
I used the pistol,"
all these other lies added up.
1743
01:19:48,217 --> 01:19:51,418
- "the liar," said hollister,
"who shot those young men
1744
01:19:51,487 --> 01:19:54,288
"out of anger,
pure and simple."
1745
01:19:54,357 --> 01:19:58,559
- You don't get to chase
a person down and kill 'em.
1746
01:19:58,627 --> 01:20:00,494
That's not self-defense.
1747
01:20:00,496 --> 01:20:04,231
- But defense attorneys stuck
to the heart of their case.
1748
01:20:04,233 --> 01:20:06,301
"it was,"
said john ohlson's partner
1749
01:20:06,368 --> 01:20:07,901
In his closing argument,
1750
01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:10,304
"a clear case
of self-defense."
1751
01:20:10,373 --> 01:20:14,775
- He was placed in reasonable
fear of imminent danger
1752
01:20:14,843 --> 01:20:17,044
Or death by the actions
of the occupants
1753
01:20:17,112 --> 01:20:18,980
Of the mcguire vehicle
1754
01:20:19,048 --> 01:20:21,715
On the road
when they were shooting at him
1755
01:20:21,717 --> 01:20:24,518
And then when they turned
in the meadow
1756
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,387
And came back at him.
1757
01:20:26,389 --> 01:20:29,456
- Self-defense or murder?
1758
01:20:29,458 --> 01:20:30,857
To wait
for a jury's decision,
1759
01:20:30,927 --> 01:20:34,061
Is a kind of agony
for both sides.
1760
01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:37,064
Rory mcguire's dad
still struggling
1761
01:20:37,066 --> 01:20:39,534
With an inexpressible anger.
1762
01:20:39,602 --> 01:20:41,869
- The justice system
can't give him
1763
01:20:41,871 --> 01:20:45,873
What I feel he has coming.
And...
1764
01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:50,478
No amount of jail time
will-will fix it.
1765
01:20:50,546 --> 01:20:54,281
- Those sweet, sad,
innocent little kids...
1766
01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:57,284
- I like that
he is always funny
1767
01:20:57,353 --> 01:21:00,754
And, um, uh,
he's always loving.
1768
01:21:00,823 --> 01:21:05,292
He protects us a lot and--
- okay.
1769
01:21:05,361 --> 01:21:06,560
And you miss him.
1770
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:07,628
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1771
01:21:07,696 --> 01:21:11,566
That part is pretty obvious.
1772
01:21:11,634 --> 01:21:14,968
Before the jury even got
the case, chad's wife, kerri,
1773
01:21:15,037 --> 01:21:18,305
Told us she already knew
what the outcome would be.
1774
01:21:18,374 --> 01:21:19,439
I mean, in your
heart of hearts,
1775
01:21:19,508 --> 01:21:22,109
Do you think the jury
will say, "not guilty?"
1776
01:21:22,178 --> 01:21:23,178
- I know that
the lord has told me
1777
01:21:23,245 --> 01:21:25,245
That chad will be home.
1778
01:21:25,247 --> 01:21:28,315
- But then any other thought?
1779
01:21:28,317 --> 01:21:32,120
- Can I imagine him
being away from us for-- no.
1780
01:21:32,187 --> 01:21:33,988
No. It hurts.
1781
01:21:34,056 --> 01:21:38,525
It-- that-that-that thought,
those words, hurt my heart.
1782
01:21:38,594 --> 01:21:42,062
- Surprising then when
kerri heard what chad told us
1783
01:21:42,131 --> 01:21:44,532
When we interviewed him
before the trial.
1784
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:45,799
What do you think?
1785
01:21:45,868 --> 01:21:48,670
Are you going to be,
uh, acquitted?
1786
01:21:48,737 --> 01:21:53,340
- No.
- No?
1787
01:21:53,409 --> 01:21:57,078
- I'll end up spending
the rest of my life in prison.
1788
01:21:57,146 --> 01:21:59,346
- You believe that?
- Absolutely.
1789
01:21:59,415 --> 01:22:06,620
- Why?
- I think that, uh...
1790
01:22:06,689 --> 01:22:08,222
[sighs]
I don't--
1791
01:22:08,224 --> 01:22:10,891
My faith
in the legal system
1792
01:22:10,959 --> 01:22:13,360
Has seriously been shaken.
1793
01:22:13,429 --> 01:22:14,895
I think the majority
of the people
1794
01:22:14,897 --> 01:22:18,566
Have a negative opinion
about me.
1795
01:22:18,634 --> 01:22:21,568
- Of course, no one could know
the way the jury would go,
1796
01:22:21,637 --> 01:22:24,971
Especially in a town
divided like quincy.
1797
01:22:25,041 --> 01:22:26,440
- You're holding your breath
the whole time,
1798
01:22:26,509 --> 01:22:29,176
Whether it's your-your
first trial or your 50th.
1799
01:22:29,178 --> 01:22:31,712
- They didn't have to
hold their breath very long,
1800
01:22:31,780 --> 01:22:33,180
Less than a day.
1801
01:22:33,248 --> 01:22:36,383
- We, the jury,
in the above entitled cause,
1802
01:22:36,385 --> 01:22:37,584
Find the defendant,
1803
01:22:37,653 --> 01:22:41,922
Gregory chad wallin-reed,
guilty of a felony
1804
01:22:41,991 --> 01:22:46,594
To whit murder first degree
of rory mcguire.
1805
01:22:46,662 --> 01:22:49,262
- Guilty
of first degree murder.
1806
01:22:49,331 --> 01:22:51,666
Out of the cameras reach
in the gallery,
1807
01:22:51,734 --> 01:22:54,001
Rory's mom began sobbing,
1808
01:22:54,069 --> 01:22:56,603
Two years
of pent up heartbreak.
1809
01:22:56,672 --> 01:22:59,606
- I knew we couldn't fix
what had happened,
1810
01:22:59,608 --> 01:23:03,810
But maybe we give her
just a little sense of justice.
1811
01:23:03,879 --> 01:23:06,280
- I'll never have a friend
like that again
1812
01:23:06,282 --> 01:23:08,148
Or somebody I considered
a brother.
1813
01:23:08,150 --> 01:23:09,950
- That's a sweet picture.
1814
01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:11,752
- Lewis told us
it's his duty now
1815
01:23:11,820 --> 01:23:16,156
To keep rory's memory alive
for himself and for carol,
1816
01:23:16,225 --> 01:23:18,025
Who is in his life now
for good.
1817
01:23:18,027 --> 01:23:19,426
- This might be the last.
Yeah.
1818
01:23:19,495 --> 01:23:21,962
- I love carol, and I-I think
she-she loves me back.
1819
01:23:22,031 --> 01:23:23,497
There's always a place
for me in her home,
1820
01:23:23,565 --> 01:23:25,298
And we can't stop
talkin' about him.
1821
01:23:25,367 --> 01:23:27,901
She's happy that I was
a front row seat
1822
01:23:27,970 --> 01:23:29,035
To rory's life,
1823
01:23:29,105 --> 01:23:30,837
And I'm able
to tell her about it.
1824
01:23:30,839 --> 01:23:33,874
- At his sentencing hearing,
chad addressed rory's family.
1825
01:23:44,987 --> 01:23:47,320
- We had already asked kerri
what she would do
1826
01:23:47,389 --> 01:23:49,523
Without her chad,
if she had to,
1827
01:23:49,525 --> 01:23:53,660
And now his sentence,
84 years to life.
1828
01:23:53,730 --> 01:23:58,332
You know, I mean, there are,
god knows, countless families
1829
01:23:58,334 --> 01:24:00,667
Of people who are in prison
who wait, and wait, and wait,
1830
01:24:00,736 --> 01:24:02,370
And then, it's,
oh, I can't wait anymore,
1831
01:24:02,438 --> 01:24:03,603
And they have to go on
with their lives,
1832
01:24:03,672 --> 01:24:05,672
And they kinda make
a new plan.
1833
01:24:05,674 --> 01:24:06,673
Would you ever think
about doing that?
1834
01:24:06,742 --> 01:24:09,143
- No.
- Not a chance.
1835
01:24:09,145 --> 01:24:10,144
- No.
1836
01:24:10,212 --> 01:24:11,678
- Why is it
so important to you?
1837
01:24:11,747 --> 01:24:13,680
- 'cause he's my husband.
1838
01:24:13,749 --> 01:24:17,818
He's my soulmate,
the love of my life.
1839
01:24:20,623 --> 01:24:21,955
- Their little cabin,
1840
01:24:22,024 --> 01:24:26,893
That piece of paradise,
was sold to pay legal bills.
1841
01:24:26,962 --> 01:24:29,296
- We have fond memories.
1842
01:24:29,298 --> 01:24:31,565
We do.
1843
01:24:31,633 --> 01:24:37,238
And now, there's-there's
no good memories to be had,
1844
01:24:37,306 --> 01:24:40,975
But we can hold onto
the ones that we have.
1845
01:24:41,043 --> 01:24:43,310
- And 7.6 miles away,
1846
01:24:43,378 --> 01:24:47,314
Out there in the mountains,
snow blanketed the meadow,
1847
01:24:47,382 --> 01:24:49,850
Hiding the only remnants
of what happened,
1848
01:24:49,852 --> 01:24:51,852
A few shards of glass,
1849
01:24:51,854 --> 01:24:53,854
And a little rock
to mark the spot
1850
01:24:53,922 --> 01:24:57,858
Where a young man with
so much potential was wasted.
1851
01:25:00,863 --> 01:25:04,599
- Part of me
feels that rory is fine.
1852
01:25:04,666 --> 01:25:06,466
- Why do you say,
"rory is fine?"
1853
01:25:06,535 --> 01:25:08,201
- He's not in the meadow,
1854
01:25:08,270 --> 01:25:09,803
And he's not
in that hospital bed,
1855
01:25:09,872 --> 01:25:11,271
And he's not on that road
1856
01:25:11,340 --> 01:25:13,540
Trying to get away
from the shooter.
1857
01:25:13,609 --> 01:25:17,611
He's not afraid anymore.
1858
01:25:17,613 --> 01:25:21,081
So, he's-he's fine.
1859
01:25:22,951 --> 01:25:24,084
- That's all
for this edition
1860
01:25:24,153 --> 01:25:26,286
Of "dateline:
Secrets uncovered."
1861
01:25:26,355 --> 01:25:30,991
I'm kate snow.
Thank you for watching.
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