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{\an8}[Hannah] A rumor based on a kissruined a memory I hoped would be special.
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{\an8}In fact, it ruined just about everything.
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{\an8}13 Reasons Why was
a really special story to me,
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{\an8}especially when I read it
for the first time when I was 14
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because people were just really meanin middle school.
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And it really did change my perspectiveon how to treat people,
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because you really don't knowwhat other people are going through.
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[Luke] High school can bea tough environment
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{\an8}for an individual to grow
and to come in their own.
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[Langford] One of the big differencesabout 13 Reasons is that
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{\an8}we're treating the audience
like young adults, not as teenagers.
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{\an8}We're treating them as people.
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[Flynn] There's nothing about this storythat's polite.
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{\an8}You can really tell a story
that's gonna start a conversation.
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{\an8}As a society we tend to shy away
from these hard topics.
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{\an8}Sometimes in cinema we do that, too.
This is great because it says, "No.
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This is a problemand it needs to be addressed."
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[Asher] The whole issue of suicide is an uncomfortable thing to talk about,
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{\an8}but it happens,
so we have to talk about it.
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And it's dangerous not to talk about it
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because there's always room for hope.
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{\an8}We wanted to do it in a way
where it was honest,
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and we wanted to make something
that can hopefully help people,
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{\an8}because suicide should never,ever be an option.
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{\an8}[Minnette] To not seek out help,or to end it, is just tragic,
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{\an8}because who knows what you could
have gone on to do? Just see the future,
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know that there is so much lifeahead of you.
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[Walsh] These are all thingsthat need to be discussed,
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{\an8}and we need to educate
both young men and women.
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[Zach] If one thing had gone differentlysomewhere along the line...
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maybe none of this would have happened.
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[McCarthy] At the end of the day,we tell stories.
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{\an8}We're storytellers, and our job, probably
more than anything, is to entertain.
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{\an8}But you get a piece of material like this
that's about something,
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you know, you take that seriously, and--
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and you really hope the discussion beginsand will continue.
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[Yorkey] We wanted to beginby telling the truth
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about what effect these events would have.
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{\an8}We felt like if we could tell a story,
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{\an8}not only with integrity,
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{\an8}but hopefully one that had a chance
to really resonate with young people
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who don't necessarily get a steady diet
of truth in their entertainment,
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and hopefully could stand as something
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that was an honest representationof their experience.
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[shrieks, then giggles]
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[Langford] With the photothat's taken of Hannah,
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it was innocent,
but an unflattering photo out of context,
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posted by a guy with a particular rep,
or saying something,
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or spinning the story some kind
of way can destroy someone.
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And when Bryce takes the photofrom Justin
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and sends it round the school,it's the beginning of the end for her.
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It does irreparable damage
to Hannah's reputation.
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She can't go around
and personally remedy it for everyone.
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[Boe] It's definitely a generational thing
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because my whole middle and high school,
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when we got home,
all we would do is hop on,
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either it was Myspace, Facebook,
Twitter, and Instagram.
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So, that's our whole world,
is our school, and then social media.
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So, that's why
when you're being cyberbullied,
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you're being attacked by so many people
who are hiding behind,
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you know, a computer screen.
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{\an8}[Dr. Hu] Adults don't realize
how much cyberbullying is hurtful
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{\an8}because it didn't exist
when people my age were younger,
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and cyberbullying doesn't endwhen the school bell rings.
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Once something is online, it's just there,
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and a picture can say
a million different things.
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And people come up
and conjure up their own story,
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or what they think is right,
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and it affects you, it hurts you.
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{\an8}Suddenly you can feel so terribly
alone, and because of their interaction
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{\an8}and because they're so engaged
and tethered to their devices,
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there actually is no safe space.
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[Yorkey] The adults tend to trivialize
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what for teenagers and young adultsis not trivial.
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Teenage brains don't work
the way adult brains work.
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You know? Trauma and pain
feel like they're gonna last forever.
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And I think that we forget that sometimes.
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[Teefey]
Hopefully sharing these stories can...
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{\an8}can help parents pay attention
to things that may be small to them,
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{\an8}but could be rocking the world
of their kid.
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Pardon me...
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but you really hurt my feelings.
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[Yorkey] In high school,your reputation is everything.
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And she stopped being a human being
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to all those guys, and became a thing.
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[Dr. Hsu] The topic of slut shaming,like what happened with Hannah,
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we're in a place where, on the one hand,
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{\an8}girls feel incredible pressure
to be rated on being attractive,
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um, to be popular, to be good-looking,
to look perfect on Instagram.
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And yet if it goes just a touch
too far somehow,
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now you're a slut, nobody likes you,
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you're not worthy
of being a real girlfriend.
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[Jones] I think the hard thingabout the minute
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that a girl in this contextis labeled a slut
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is because it's just a snowball effect,
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because it gives people permission
to continue to treat her
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as though she's a sexual object
instead of a human being.
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Somehow all those things get mixed up,
especially for girls and women.
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And for a girl
who's just developing her identity,
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and just developing her body,
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and just learning
about sexuality and relationships,
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it's a lot of hurdles to navigate.
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[Hannah] I wanted youto do everything you were doing,
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so I don't know why my mindtook me everywhere else.
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Growing up and going through high school
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is when you're meant to be learning
about who you are,
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and maybe having, like,
your first sexual experiences,
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having your first boyfriend or girlfriendand trying to figure that out.
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And this huge culture of slut shaming
affects her, ultimately.
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[voices echoing]
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Thought you were easy.
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[heartbeat increasing]
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Thought you were easy.
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Stop it.
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Okay, sorry. I'm sorry.
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No, just stop, okay?
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[Minnette] I don't think Clay has any ideawhat's going on in that moment because...
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I think at first he wonders--He thinks he did something wrong.
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I think it's just, like, pure confusion,
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like just obviously there's something
going on that he had no idea about.
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[Dr. Hu] At that point,Hannah's been through so much,
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even being with a nice guy, like Clay,
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she starts to get almost
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
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[McCarthy] Through the process,
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everyone was reflectingon their high school experiences.
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Things they did right and wrong,things they regret.
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There's moments of like,"That one guy, I remember I did that,
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I shouldn't have. I should've spoke up."
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I hope there's discussions like that,
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not just between friends
in high schools and colleges
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when this show airs,
but between parents.
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You have nothing more to tell me...
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about bullying at school?
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No.
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Or, um...
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Hannah Baker?
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Look, I told you, Mom...
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I didn't really know her.
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[Yorkey] A big part of Clay's storyis that he is not a kid
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who can communicate how he's feeling,
or what's on his mind.
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This is one of the most powerfulmoments of the show for me
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because it rings so trueto who I was when I was a teenager,
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where you have so muchgoing on inside of you
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and so little abilityto share it with anybody.
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{\an8}I certainly remember experiencing
things when I was younger,
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{\an8}and being so overwhelmed
because I had no idea what it was,
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or what I was feeling.
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And it's hard to talk about when you can'tput it into words correctly.
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I guess, in a way, it'd be healthier
to sit there with your mom
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and say,
"All these things are going wrong,
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and life is just happening so fast,
and I'm so young,
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and I can't handle it,"
but no one has that awareness.
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Even someone as smart as Clay.
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It's not because you don't love them
or don't respect them.
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It's more just, "What do I say? What will
they say?" They won't understand.
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You gotta start opening up to us, kid.
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Just, you know,
let us know what's going on.
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It's hard to be the parent of a teenager.
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The teenagers are trying
to establish some independence.
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Sometimes when they would like help
on some level,
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they're also pushing it away.
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And both Clay and Hannah, at times,
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really would like some help,but don't know how to ask for it.
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[Teefey] I feel like parents being honestand not ignoring issues
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and not ignoring what they went through
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will really help kids, I think,
be a little bit more comfortable.
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And, I mean, I always told her:
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"You don't have to tell me everything,
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but if it's really something
that's important,
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I'm here and there's no judgment."
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[Asher] I think that'swhat people really identify with
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{\an8}because we've all made
those choices not to open up,
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{\an8}even though a person was right there
asking how we were doing.
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[Mr. Porter] I was glad to see you
on my calendar.
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[Hannah] Why?
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I'm just glad that you made
an appointment to come talk.
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[Yorkey] The scene with Mr. Porterin the last episode,
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{\an8}Hannah missed the opportunity
to say what had happened to her,
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and Mr. Porter missed the opportunity
and missed a lot of signs
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to see that this was someone
in immediate crisis
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who needed more help
than he gave her at that moment.
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[Asher] You know,Hannah's an imperfect person.
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She pushes people away, people thatwe know would have been there for her.
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You know, she could have been more open.
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But in a way,
she kind of sets up Mr. Porter to fail.
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I think it's okay to recognize that.
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She wasn't perfect,
she didn't do everything she could.
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And she should have done more.
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So, what happened, Hannah?
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How did you get here?
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Just...
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one thing on top of another.
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[Mr. Porter] If I'm gonna help you,
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I'm gonna need you
to be a little more specific.
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[Yorkey] The challenge for Hannah is that
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she would've had to have the strength
to describe what happened to her,
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and the courage and determination
to label it rape...
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to get his attention.
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And she was not able to do that.
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And that is not her fault.
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Sexual assault comes with so much shame,
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on top of the pain,on top of the violation,
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that for victims to talk about itis incredibly hard.
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And takes an incredibly safe space
and someone who is very skilled
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in making it possible
for the victims to talk about it.
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Mr. Porter didn't have that skill.
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Sometimes you can be trying so hard
and miss it.
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You can be sincere, but sincerely wrong.
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Did...?
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-You don't wanna talk about this, do you?
-No, I do.
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I think first and foremost is schools
can teach more emotional education.
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I think we're lacking
so severely in that arena.
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{\an8}It's very common for young adults
to not recognize their emotions,
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to not be able to verbalize them,
talk about them.
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If Hannah had been able to understand
what she was feeling,
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and why,
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then it could've made all the difference.
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You can sit down,
you don't need to be in a hurry.
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I need to get on with things,
Mr. Porter.
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If things aren't gonna change,
I better get on with it.
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-[phone ringing]
-Hey-- Hey, Hannah--
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[Yorkey] You only knowwhat they're willing to tell you
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and you only knowwhat they're able to tell you.
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They may Instagram and Snapchat
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and, you know, Facebook their lives,
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but that's curated.
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Even with all that, you still don'treally know what's going on in their life.
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[Bryce] There you are.
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Hey, we're playing beer pong out back.
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[both laughing]
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-Dude.
-You want to go?
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No, no, no, dude, I'm all right.
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I'm sticking around for Jessica.
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[laughing] She's so wasted.
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Oh, yeah?
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It was an interesting discussion
in the writers' room approaching the scene
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where Justin lets Bryce in
to ultimately have his way with Jessica.
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And there were people who said:
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I don't-- No one can--
No one would do this.
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It's impossible to do this.
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A lot of times guys will have this concept
of the bro code,
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that if their friend
is assaulting someone else,
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whether it's their girlfriend
or someone they don't know,
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that they just are gonna
kind of look the other way.
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And unfortunately this is not as rareas we would like it to be.
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What's mine is yours, right?
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[Jones] That's when it becomes dangerous,is bro code
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{\an8}at the expense of accountability.
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{\an8}And instead of saying, "Yeah,
I have your back in all situations,
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unless you do somethinglegitimately sketchy,"
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and then true bro code,
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and true friendship is, "I would neverlet you put yourself in that situation."
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[Dr. Hsu] The bystander effect,
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{\an8}when we talk
about how could someone not interfere
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{\an8}if you think something
terrible is going on.
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In the scene at the party,not only is Justin culpable,
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there's, I think,maybe some people wondering:
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"Why didn't Hannah do something?"
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You know, you put yourself
in that situation.
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Hannah was drunk, Hannah was hiding,
not supposed to be there.
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And to be honest, I think
she didn't realize it was happening.
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Then all of a sudden it was happening,
and then it was over.
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[Jones] We don't realizeactually in that moment so often
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people are completely frozen.
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You're like, "If I was in that situation,
I'd have totally done something."
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And I think it's easy
to talk about in theory,
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and the truth is, it requires
such a bold, authentic confidence
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to stand on your own two feet,
and to stand up for what you believe in,
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not in theory but in a moment
in which we're asking people
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to be brave for the 15 seconds
it matters most.
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[Boe] When I read episode nine,I called a very close family member
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who is a rape survivor,
and she was so grateful
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that we weren't shying away
from the ugliness
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because she told me that
that is the only way
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that people are really going to understand
a rape survivor's mind
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and what they had to go through.
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I remember the table reads
for this stuff.
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Just reading it on paper was devastating,
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and then having to bring it to life
was... really fucking hard to do,
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so I can't even imagine what a lot
of these girls are going through,
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or anyone who is a survivorof sexual assault.
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[Boe] Jessica's forever changed.It's a permanent, permanent thing,
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which I hope people,
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young boys, especially,
who will watch this,
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understand that it's not okay
to get drunk
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and then just have your way with people,
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because you are changing
that person's life and your own
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for the rest of your life.
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A lot of people who have, at some point,
committed sexual assault,
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or some form of it, or rape,
they're acquaintances.
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They're-- They're people that you know.
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This is one of those things that needsto be talked about and addressed.
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Not saying anythingcan also be very dangerous.
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If Bryce doesn't have consequences,
he's gonna keep doing what he's doing.
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She wanted me.
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Me.
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She was practically begging me
to fuck her.
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If that's rape,
every girl at school wants to be raped.
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Someone like Bryce,
we call them a predator, which he is.
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But it's so important
that the show really depicts
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that it's not so clear and so obvious.
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He's a popular guy, he's an athlete,
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and that it's so common for a victim
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to feel like,
"No one would ever believe me."
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Bryces exist.
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They exist on every single campus,
and in every facet...
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of life, and I think there's an immenseamount of misinformation for young men
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around what consent even is.
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That's the disconnect
in how we're poorly educating men
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and young women,
and how we're failing them,
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because we're not educating them
on what real consent actually looks like.
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[Flynn] It just needsto be a part of a conversation.
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Sometimes people think,
"If I talk to them about sex,
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I'm gonna find out all the details."
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It's like, no, just talk to them
about what should be done, you know?
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Begin it with: she needs to say yes first.
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And so we have to literally
give them the phrase of:
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"What do you say in that moment?"
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Which is even just pausing
and saying:
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"Hey, I want to make sure
you're cool with us having sex."
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Is this okay?
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Yeah. More than okay.
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That's actually incredibly sexy, and that
makes any girl feel really taken care of,
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and I think if we can better program them
with the right things to say,
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and teach them the impactthat their actions have on people
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are actually very real,
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and have, potentially,
very serious consequences,
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maybe we could do somethingabout preventing it.
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The reality is that someone
who commits sexual assault
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is almost never a one-time offender
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and will often find victim after victim.
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[Bryce] Can't believe Hannah Baker
finally came to one of my parties.
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[Yorkey] The scene in episode 12of Hannah and Bryce in the hot tub
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was one of the two most difficult scenes
to film.
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We didn't look away
from the sexual assaults in the show,
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because to do otherwise is to minimizewhat those characters go through
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and what teenage girlsgo through every day.
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Well, uh, I better get going.
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My parents are probably, like,
super worried by now.
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You just got here.
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[Langford] One of the biggest goalswas to represent everything
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as authentically
and as truthful as possible.
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And Jessica Yu,
who directed, um, this episode,
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she really did put a lot of thought
into the way it was gonna be shot.
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You know, in the scene
we stay on Hannah's face,
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and it's actually in the script
where it says we stay on her face
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longer than is comfortable.
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And I think it's important
that we did that because...
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it is uncomfortable.
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I think it does a great job
of showing you kind of exactly
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what this person might be going through.
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We had counselors advise us in
the writing of it, in the shooting of it.
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They talked to Justin Prentice,
who played Bryce,
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to Katherine Langford,
who plays Hannah,
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really helping them understand what's
going through the characters' minds,
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why they behave as they do.
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I spoke with Rebecca Hedrick, um,
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and Rebecca Kaplan from It's On Us,
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and, you know, what I learned was...
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[stammers] I kind of had a bit of
an insight into what people go through
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whilst an assault is happening.
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{\an8}Whenever someone is faced
with a major trauma,
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{\an8}they have the fight, flight
or freeze response.
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They will either fight their way
out of it, run away from it, or freeze.
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And especially if there have
been accumulated trauma in the past,
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then one of the--
The more likely option would be to freeze,
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and that's what happened with Hannah.
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{\an8}She might even dissociate a little bit.
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A lot of times victims of trauma talk
about feeling apart from their body.
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She goes blank.You see the light go out of her eyes.
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She's completely lost her sense of selfat that point.
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[indistinct chattering and applause]
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[Jones] Very rarely do I think we showthe bravery and the candor and the pain
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that exists on the other sideof being a survivor.
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And how damaging,how deeply damaging that is, both,
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we see with Hannah obviously,
and we also see with Jessica.
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When you're in that position,
it is so hard to reach out
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because you feel
you're gonna burden someone else,
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or you don't think people want to listen,
or you don't think they care.
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So many girls are afraid to come forward
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when something like this happens
because immediately the victim-shaming,
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oftentimes, is actually worse
than even the initial assault.
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They have their entire character
judged, criticized.
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Well, why was she wearing this?
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Why did she go to that house?
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Why didn't she do X, Y, Z?
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When really that's not the point.
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I think we need to start
these conversations differently,
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and instead of asking
what she did or didn't do,
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we need to ask what he did
and why he was doing it.
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It's on us to educate people
on how to receive that kind of information
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when girls have the courage
to come forward.
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You okay?
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Fine.
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Yeah?
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You don't look fine.
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Rape should be a topic that we should
all be able to talk about,
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and not feel ashamed.
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I want survivors to knowthat it's not your fault,
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and it's okay to talk about it.
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And you need to build
a good support system
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to be able to heal.
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The more often you tell your story
of being assaulted,
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the more it loses power over you.
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I hope that people watching this show
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will feel empowered to be ableto go to someone for help.
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[Jones] We see Jessica going through that,reaching out
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to someone that she knows loves her,
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that hopefully she can, you know,
really get the help of adults
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and professionals to come in
and help her with that.
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I don't think any girl
should go through that alone
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or think that she can handle that alone.
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Some of you cared.
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None of you cared enough.
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Neither did I.
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And I'm sorry.
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[Yorkey] By the time we reach the last dayof Hannah's life,
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she is completely depleted.
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It's beyond simply being depressed.
She thinks her life is worth nothing.
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And she thinks her life really only exists
as a problem to other people.
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And she has been treated
time and time again as an object,
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so her sense of self
and her sense of agency,
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her sense that anything she can docan make things better is gone.
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[Dr. Hsu] She stops trying, and she stopsreaching out for any life lines,
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and she's not strong enough
or healthy enough at that point
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to stand up and assert herself.
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Sometimes I'll hear a parent say,"Well, not my kid.
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He'd never do it, or she'd never do itbecause she's really smart.
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Her grades are good."
And it has nothing to do with that.
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Young adults haven't fully formed
their frontal lobe,
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or executive function as we call it,
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so everything that happens
feels like this is forever.
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They often feel like there's no way out,
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and this can lead to very impulsive acts.
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[Yorkey] We had a number of people ask usalong the way
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why we had Hannah kill herselfin the way we did and why we showed it.
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We worked very hard not to be gratuitous,
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but we did want it
to be painful to watch...
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because we wanted it to be very clear
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that there is nothing...
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in any way...
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worthwhile about suicide.
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[Mrs. Baker] Hannah. Come on.
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[Walsh] We just wanted to makethat moment, particularly,
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as realistic as it possibly could be
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without ever having experienced that.
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That's the moment,
the sort of pinnacle of the series,
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where you talk about
wanting to do honor
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to people that have actually
had to go through this in their lives.
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Like you want to pay tribute to them
and make it real and authentic.
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[Dr. Hsu] As hard as it wasto see the final decision
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that Hannah made when she died of suicide,
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{\an8}I think it was important to show
that it's not a pretty death,
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{\an8}it's not an easy one,
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and then the pain that never endsfor her parents immediately thereafter,
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who are left with this horrible burden.
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One of the things that when I talked
to parents, when I talked to Dr. Hu,
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that it was important
to sort of get in context with
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for how it completely
consumes your life.
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{\an8}It's important for the viewers to see that
there's often a lot of collateral damage
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{\an8}when someone dies,
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{\an8}and the person contemplating suicide
might not realize how much
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their death will affect people that they
love and that they didn't want to hurt.
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[Hannah] For those of you who will nowbe looking for signs everywhere,
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what does it really look like?
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Yeah.
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Here's the scary thing:
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It looks like nothing.
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[Dr. Hsu] There are statisticsthat say that for every suicide
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there's at least six people
who are very intimately impacted.
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[Dr. Hu] People are ata higher risk of suicide
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if someone that they knowhas died by suicide.
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And it seems counterintuitive,
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and yet the person who has survived
somebody else's suicide
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often feels guiltyand can blame themselves,
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and that seems to be a large partof what happens with Alex.
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Alex Standall...
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shot himself in the head last night.
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He's in critical condition at Mercy.
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[Dr. Hedrick] Suicide is now the secondleading cause of death for teenagers.
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And every warning sign, every symptom
of depression should be taken seriously.
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A drastic change in behavior,a drop in their grades,
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getting in fights with their peers,or parents, or authority figures,
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substance abuse, these areall different signs to look out for.
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[Heizer] A lot of times it feels like
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things you're experiencingaren't treatable,
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and that's why it can be overwhelming
to try to explain it to someone
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because you just feel like there's nothing
you can do about it.
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But there usually is.
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It's absolutely treatable.
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Anxiety is, depression is,
talk therapy,
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treatment centers,
there's a million ways you can find help.
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[Dr. Hsu] I think a lot of timespeople feel paralyzed by:
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"I don't know how to talk about this.
Maybe it'll go away.
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Maybe they seem okay.
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I don't feel equipped to talk."
But then nobody talks about it,
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and that's actually the worst thing
that any of us can do.
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Really, it's about just listening,saying, "I'll be there,
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and we'll find the help together."
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If someone watching this is feeling
like their life doesn't have worth,
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I hope that you seearound Hannah in this show
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all the people who care about her,
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and know that there are those peoplein your life as well.
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[Dr. Hu] It's okay to not be okay.
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It's okay to not be perfect,
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and for everything to be exactly right
every moment of the day,
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but that you can get past that.
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It gets better.
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You won't always feel this bad.
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[Langford] Reach out,even if you feel like Hannah
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and can't talk to your parents,
or don't want to tell anyone at school
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because you're embarrassed,call a hotline.
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Talk to someone anonymously.
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Just talk to someone
because the minute you start talking,
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it gets easier.
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And just know that there's life
beyond what you're feeling at the moment.
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I promise it will get better.
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There is an entire future
of incredible things waiting for you.
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And if you go, you don't get to--
You don't get to see it.
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I hope that this show really opens up
a lot of conversations
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and helps people realizethe smallest thing you do,
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the smallest thing you do to someone,
the smallest thing you say,
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can change so much
for better or worse.
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Skye.
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{\an8}Hey, Skye.
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{\an8}What?
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{\an8}Hey, uh... how's it going?
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{\an8}[McCarthy] It's more than a showabout a young woman's suicide,
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or sexual abuse, sexual violence, rape,
it's much more than that.
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I think it's a wonderful way
the show ends,
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with Clay just taking a minuteto acknowledge a woman in his life
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who he hasn't connected with in a while.
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And it's those small steps,
which I think can make a big difference.
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[Dr. Hsu]
I've seen that make a difference,
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and I've had people actuallyon their way to harm themselves
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kind of stall because they were thrown off
because somebody was nice.
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And I think that's where it starts.
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It just starts
with reaching out to people.
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You know, saying, "Hey, what's up?
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You matter to me.
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I'm glad you're in my world."
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It has to get better.
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The way we treat each other
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and look out for each other.
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It has to get better somehow.
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[exhales]
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There is absolutely nothing wrong
with saying that you need help.
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And if you need help at all,
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{\an8}you can go to 13reasonswhy.info
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{\an8}to find an organization in your area.
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{\an8}You can help others
by spreading it as well.
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