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Perkins. 16 00:01:18,412 --> 00:01:20,789 One of the greatest drummers of all time, 17 00:01:20,872 --> 00:01:23,917 - Willie "Big Eyes" Smith. - Whoo! 18 00:01:24,001 --> 00:01:27,337 [upbeat blues music] 19 00:01:27,421 --> 00:01:28,839 ♪ Yeah ♪ 20 00:01:30,007 --> 00:01:31,925 ♪ Now when I was a young boy ♪ 21 00:01:33,885 --> 00:01:35,697 When you're talking about electric blues, Hubert Sumlin's 22 00:01:35,721 --> 00:01:37,681 contribution to Wolf's music... 23 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:39,224 ♪ My mother said I going to be ♪ 24 00:01:39,308 --> 00:01:40,535 can't separate those great records 25 00:01:40,559 --> 00:01:41,560 from Hubert's playing. 26 00:01:41,643 --> 00:01:42,662 He was the guitar player on 27 00:01:42,686 --> 00:01:43,979 "I Ain't Superstitious." 28 00:01:44,062 --> 00:01:45,981 ♪ But now I'm a man ♪ 29 00:01:46,064 --> 00:01:49,735 Willie Smith, he's the engine, you know? He's the groove. 30 00:01:49,818 --> 00:01:52,237 [Pretty] How do you explain when someone 31 00:01:52,321 --> 00:01:54,906 adds every time you sit down to play? 32 00:01:54,990 --> 00:01:56,283 ♪ I had lots of fun ♪ 33 00:01:56,366 --> 00:02:00,078 Pinetop's playing was really identifiable. 34 00:02:00,162 --> 00:02:02,664 Everybody from Eric Clapton to the Rolling Stones, 35 00:02:02,748 --> 00:02:05,083 Led Zeppelin, rock bands all over the place 36 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:07,586 that have made some of the most legendary records 37 00:02:07,669 --> 00:02:09,046 in the history of music, 38 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,006 all of these guys were influenced by them 39 00:02:11,089 --> 00:02:12,591 to one degree or another. 40 00:02:12,674 --> 00:02:15,010 ♪ Yeah ♪ 41 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:17,763 It's the ABCs of rock, baby. 42 00:02:17,846 --> 00:02:19,389 ♪ Whoa, child ♪ 43 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:22,434 ♪ Why ♪ 44 00:02:24,227 --> 00:02:25,896 That Howlin' Wolf sound, you know, 45 00:02:25,979 --> 00:02:27,814 Hubert and Howlin' Wolf and that band 46 00:02:27,898 --> 00:02:29,358 really changed a lot of people. 47 00:02:29,441 --> 00:02:32,194 All the slow, fast and medium-tempo blues, 48 00:02:32,277 --> 00:02:34,071 rock and roll just kind of took that 49 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:36,281 and they had the gold, and everybody kind of tried 50 00:02:36,365 --> 00:02:37,949 to make a little gold from their gold 51 00:02:38,033 --> 00:02:39,313 because it was perfect, you know? 52 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:41,870 ♪ I'm a man ♪ 53 00:02:41,953 --> 00:02:43,747 ♪ Yeah ♪ 54 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:45,540 ♪ I'm a rolling stone ♪ 55 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:48,335 [Robben] Hendrix was very influenced by Hubert Sumlin. 56 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:51,129 His sound and his looseness on the guitar. 57 00:02:51,254 --> 00:02:52,881 ♪ I'm a hoochie coochie man ♪ 58 00:02:54,341 --> 00:02:56,760 It was fascinating being on the road with, uh, 59 00:02:56,843 --> 00:02:58,762 with Clapton realizing how, 60 00:02:58,845 --> 00:03:01,223 how hard he dug into that stuff when he was kid and... 61 00:03:01,306 --> 00:03:03,392 [Eric] All of the early stuff I heard, 62 00:03:03,475 --> 00:03:05,977 Howlin' Wolf band and Muddy Waters' band 63 00:03:06,061 --> 00:03:08,105 and Howlin' Wolf's band, it was Hubert Sumlin. 64 00:03:08,188 --> 00:03:10,148 And so he became 65 00:03:10,273 --> 00:03:11,942 a hero of mine in his style. 66 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:14,027 He's a fantastic player. 67 00:03:14,111 --> 00:03:16,655 ♪ Hey, child ♪ 68 00:03:16,738 --> 00:03:19,825 Pinetop's the ability to, to play like that 69 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:21,618 and not step on the vocal 70 00:03:21,702 --> 00:03:24,454 and not step on the guitar player and not overdo it, 71 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:26,456 but not underdo it, is just incredible. 72 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:28,625 It takes incredible talent to be able to do that 73 00:03:28,709 --> 00:03:30,436 and there's not a lot of players that can do that 74 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:32,045 the way Pinetop did. 75 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:35,090 ♪ That mean, mannish boy ♪ 76 00:03:35,173 --> 00:03:36,758 I watch his hands move. 77 00:03:36,842 --> 00:03:39,928 I mean, he's from the old, old, old school. 78 00:03:40,011 --> 00:03:42,097 It seemed like every nook was just gold. 79 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:44,099 Every nook meant so much. 80 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,520 ♪ I'm a natural-born lover's man ♪ 81 00:03:49,438 --> 00:03:50,581 I think that's one of the things 82 00:03:50,605 --> 00:03:52,774 we inherited from the blues. 83 00:03:52,858 --> 00:03:54,860 You just play ahead. You're playing for yourself, 84 00:03:54,943 --> 00:03:56,987 but you're also there to entertain the audience 85 00:03:57,070 --> 00:03:59,030 and the show must go on. 86 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:07,330 ♪ Yeah ♪ 87 00:04:07,414 --> 00:04:09,541 - [laughing] - [Muddy] Not that bad. 88 00:04:09,624 --> 00:04:11,877 Imagine growing up on a plantation going, 89 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,587 "My choices are... 90 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:15,213 this life, 91 00:04:15,338 --> 00:04:19,134 or I have this harmonica, or this guitar or an idea, 92 00:04:19,217 --> 00:04:21,052 and I can entertain people, 93 00:04:21,136 --> 00:04:23,847 and maybe if I take a chance and move to Chicago, 94 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:26,475 I get discovered, I can get myself out of this life." 95 00:04:26,558 --> 00:04:29,603 [upbeat blues music] 96 00:04:31,396 --> 00:04:33,064 [Marc] As World War I erupted, 97 00:04:33,148 --> 00:04:35,025 millions of Southern, black men and women 98 00:04:35,108 --> 00:04:37,319 seeking to escape the oppressive conditions 99 00:04:37,402 --> 00:04:40,572 of the Jim Crow South would take their chances 100 00:04:40,655 --> 00:04:42,365 and head to Northern, industrial cities 101 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:46,244 like New York, Philadelphia and Chicago. 102 00:04:46,328 --> 00:04:48,330 ♪ Oh, oh ♪ 103 00:04:48,413 --> 00:04:50,874 As immigrants from the Delta Region, 104 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:52,959 they carried with them a rich culture, 105 00:04:53,043 --> 00:04:56,588 a culture that included American roots music 106 00:04:56,671 --> 00:04:59,758 or what we know today as the blues. 107 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:03,178 ♪ Well, tell me baby ♪ 108 00:05:03,261 --> 00:05:04,888 Two Delta musicians who decided 109 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:07,766 to take their chances on Chicago 110 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:10,268 were Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf. 111 00:05:10,352 --> 00:05:12,604 ♪ Don't you hear me cryin'? ♪ 112 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:17,234 At times friends, at times bitter rivals, 113 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:20,612 these men would ultimately go on to establish themselves 114 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:23,240 as the two titans of the blues. 115 00:05:25,242 --> 00:05:27,786 Over the course of their long careers, 116 00:05:27,869 --> 00:05:31,164 Muddy and Wolf would employ dozens of side musicians. 117 00:05:31,248 --> 00:05:34,960 Of these sidemen, Howlin' Wolf guitarist, Hubert Sumlin. 118 00:05:35,043 --> 00:05:38,088 [blues guitar music] 119 00:05:48,431 --> 00:05:51,977 [Marc] Muddy Waters' piano player, Pinetop Perkins. 120 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:55,105 [upbeat piano music] 121 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:07,617 [Marc] Muddy Waters' drummer, Willie "Big Eyes" Smith. 122 00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:10,745 [percussive blues music] 123 00:06:19,504 --> 00:06:21,798 Each of these men would have a unique relationship 124 00:06:21,882 --> 00:06:23,758 and play a pivotal role 125 00:06:23,842 --> 00:06:27,596 in the legacy of their respected, band leaders. 126 00:06:27,679 --> 00:06:30,098 And collectively, these three sidemen 127 00:06:30,181 --> 00:06:33,768 would go on to help redefine popular music as we know it. 128 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:38,231 But to fully understand the remarkable lives 129 00:06:38,315 --> 00:06:40,066 of these three men, 130 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:43,653 one must first understand the life of a sideman. 131 00:06:51,661 --> 00:06:53,246 It's the same story 1,000 times. 132 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:56,249 There's the guy and then there's everybody else. 133 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:04,925 Unfortunately, they always, 134 00:07:05,008 --> 00:07:06,968 they always kind of get brushed aside when, 135 00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:09,179 -I mean, there's no doubt, you take... -Willie. 136 00:07:09,262 --> 00:07:11,222 Yeah, Hubert or any of those guys out of that, 137 00:07:11,306 --> 00:07:12,933 and it's an entirely different beast. 138 00:07:13,016 --> 00:07:14,601 It's not, it's not nearly the same. 139 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,198 When your name isn't on the publishing, right... 140 00:07:29,074 --> 00:07:31,368 [chuckles] you're, you're, ain't getting any checks. 141 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,620 And when you're not the lead singer, 142 00:07:33,703 --> 00:07:35,288 you know your name on the marquee 143 00:07:35,372 --> 00:07:37,248 isn't really going to draw that many people. 144 00:07:37,332 --> 00:07:40,418 [Warren] Well, Hubert wasn't an artist like B.B. King 145 00:07:40,543 --> 00:07:42,420 or Freddy King or Albert King 146 00:07:42,545 --> 00:07:44,982 in the way that he wasn't front and center singing and playing. 147 00:07:45,006 --> 00:07:47,008 He was normally a sideman 148 00:07:47,092 --> 00:07:50,637 and he was adding his presence and his personality 149 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,515 to the music and to those amazing records. 150 00:07:53,598 --> 00:07:55,517 The true role of, 151 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,688 uh, a second, a, a hired, second gun, 152 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:02,273 you don't want it to overpower the guy. 153 00:08:02,357 --> 00:08:04,317 ♪ I've been [indistinct] ♪ 154 00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:08,780 ♪ You can't believe what I say ♪ 155 00:08:12,242 --> 00:08:15,203 I I've been[indistinct] baby ♪ 156 00:08:15,286 --> 00:08:18,456 ♪ And you can't believe what I say & 157 00:08:20,417 --> 00:08:23,753 Without the sideman, no music, you know? 158 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:26,798 Without that riff on "Killing Floor,"” no "Killing Floor." 159 00:08:26,881 --> 00:08:29,926 [upbeat blues music] 160 00:08:33,805 --> 00:08:36,474 You don't hear a lot of, uh... 161 00:08:36,558 --> 00:08:39,019 Hubert's solos the way you would hear, like, 162 00:08:39,102 --> 00:08:41,062 Albert King solos and stuff like that. 163 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:44,858 What you hear is the atmosphere that he created. 164 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:47,610 He plugs in and starts playing guitar, 165 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:50,572 and this is what happens automatically. 166 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:53,116 [guitar solo] 167 00:08:53,199 --> 00:08:56,161 [Shemekia] He was just, like, always in the background, 168 00:08:56,244 --> 00:08:58,204 quiet and calm, but, 169 00:08:58,288 --> 00:09:00,206 when he came out on stage 170 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:01,916 to do his thing, it was amazing. 171 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,419 I know from my own music but from all the music I love, 172 00:09:04,502 --> 00:09:05,896 it's never just a matter of whose name 173 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,380 is on the front of the record, 174 00:09:07,464 --> 00:09:09,064 or who the singer is, or even the writer. 175 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:10,633 It's always a collaborative effort 176 00:09:10,717 --> 00:09:12,177 with the band members, you know? 177 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:14,512 It's hard to say whether Willie showed up 178 00:09:14,596 --> 00:09:16,931 at the studio at Chess and gave Muddy the arrangement 179 00:09:17,015 --> 00:09:18,600 the way he came up with it, but, 180 00:09:18,683 --> 00:09:20,310 I like to think that after years 181 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:22,479 of opening for the Muddy Waters Band 182 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:24,647 and all the years when I went on 183 00:09:24,731 --> 00:09:26,333 and they were... We collaborated when shows, 184 00:09:26,357 --> 00:09:28,151 when they opened for me later in colleges, 185 00:09:28,234 --> 00:09:30,612 the musicianship and the chemistry 186 00:09:30,695 --> 00:09:34,115 between Willie and Pinetop was just phenomenal. 187 00:09:34,199 --> 00:09:36,826 I mean, there's no way to separate the contribution 188 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:37,994 of each member of that. 189 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:40,371 There was just a feel. 190 00:09:40,455 --> 00:09:41,623 [Marc] Levon Helm's summed up 191 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:43,374 the difficult life of a sideman 192 00:09:43,458 --> 00:09:45,794 with his direct, plainspoken style. 193 00:09:47,962 --> 00:09:50,340 "The very term itself, sideman, 194 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:52,300 it's just a God damn putdown. 195 00:09:52,383 --> 00:09:54,886 Hell, everyone knows who Muddy Waters is. 196 00:09:54,969 --> 00:09:57,931 Everyone knows who Howlin' Wolf is and they should. 197 00:09:58,014 --> 00:10:01,434 But, damn, not enough people know who Hubert Sumlin is. 198 00:10:01,518 --> 00:10:04,813 Not enough people know who Pinetop Perkins is. 199 00:10:04,896 --> 00:10:07,941 The players, they don't even get a dance book. 200 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:10,860 Hell, they don't even get to go to the dance. 201 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:13,071 Muddy and Wolf get fucked while there, at the dance, 202 00:10:13,154 --> 00:10:15,615 while the rest of us just have to hear about it.” 203 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:31,506 Blues is the music of survivors. 204 00:10:31,589 --> 00:10:34,467 It's not those who died in, on the path and got lynched. 205 00:10:34,551 --> 00:10:36,845 It's those who survived. 206 00:10:36,928 --> 00:10:39,013 They got to sing the blues. 207 00:10:40,014 --> 00:10:41,683 ♪ Who's that writin' ♪ 208 00:10:41,766 --> 00:10:43,685 ♪ John The Revalator ♪ 209 00:10:43,768 --> 00:10:46,813 ♪ Tell me who's that writin' John The Revelator ♪ 210 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:49,333 Those songs were meant so that a man could go out in the field 211 00:10:49,357 --> 00:10:51,985 and he could chop all day long. 212 00:10:52,068 --> 00:10:54,863 And he's chopping and you hear a song like a... 213 00:10:56,114 --> 00:11:00,201 ♪ There ain't no hammer ♪ 214 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:06,708 ♪ That ring like mine ♪ 215 00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:09,627 Woke up this morning. 216 00:11:09,752 --> 00:11:13,798 I was... Feeling around for my shoes. Well? 217 00:11:13,882 --> 00:11:18,678 ♪ All the way to the jail, boy ♪ 218 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:40,074 The blues came along during the times of separate, 219 00:11:40,158 --> 00:11:42,785 but unequal, if you want to be truthful about that, 220 00:11:42,869 --> 00:11:45,622 segregation in its worst, 221 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:47,415 more harsh forms. 222 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:49,459 [Bernard] It developed from a struggle. 223 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:52,295 They had the blues for real, you know? 224 00:11:52,378 --> 00:11:54,964 Field working, the Ku Klux Klan. 225 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:58,426 Just being black and living in America was rough. 226 00:11:58,509 --> 00:12:02,555 It gave, it gave everybody black the blues. 227 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,933 Pine and Hubert both knew, 228 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:06,601 if you stepped out of line, 229 00:12:06,684 --> 00:12:08,228 you either got beaten or killed. 230 00:12:08,311 --> 00:12:09,896 And you didn't step out of line 231 00:12:09,979 --> 00:12:11,689 in Mississippi in 1920s and '30s 232 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:13,191 if you were an African American man. 233 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:14,376 You didn't look at a white woman. 234 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,652 You didn't do a lot of things, 235 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:17,320 and they knew they had to get on 236 00:12:17,403 --> 00:12:19,072 that highway and get out of there. 237 00:12:19,155 --> 00:12:21,783 Get 55, go through St. Louis, and end up in Chicago. 238 00:12:21,866 --> 00:12:23,326 And that's where everybody was headed 239 00:12:23,409 --> 00:12:24,953 in order to have some respect. 240 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:28,373 ♪ In your neighborhood ♪ 241 00:12:28,456 --> 00:12:30,041 When did you start playing? 242 00:12:30,124 --> 00:12:32,377 How old were you when you started playing piano? 243 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:34,254 Not playing for the money, 244 00:12:34,337 --> 00:12:37,215 just playing, just learning how to play, how old were you? 245 00:12:37,298 --> 00:12:41,010 Around about 13, 14 years old. 246 00:12:42,011 --> 00:12:43,012 Yeah. 247 00:12:43,096 --> 00:12:46,057 [crickets chirping] 248 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:47,976 [birds chirping] 249 00:12:48,059 --> 00:12:50,436 [Marc] Born July 7th, 1913 250 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,815 on the Honey Island Plantation in Belzoni, Mississippi, 251 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:57,527 Pinetop Perkins was born into a sharecropper's existence. 252 00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:59,445 [upbeat blues music] 253 00:12:59,529 --> 00:13:02,615 By age seven, Pinetop's parents had split up 254 00:13:02,699 --> 00:13:05,368 and his mother took him to live with his grandmother. 255 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,745 A woman Pinetop described as, 256 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:09,914 "A mean, Black Creek Indian 257 00:13:09,998 --> 00:13:12,750 who would get mad at you just for looking at her.” 258 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:14,335 Pine would find out the hard way 259 00:13:14,419 --> 00:13:16,296 that disobeying Grandma 260 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:19,382 literally meant taking his life in his own hands. 261 00:13:21,926 --> 00:13:24,012 As Pine's passion for music grew, 262 00:13:24,095 --> 00:13:25,930 he began to resent the backbreaking, 263 00:13:26,014 --> 00:13:28,016 field labor and strict existence 264 00:13:28,099 --> 00:13:30,518 of life living under Grandma's roof. 265 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,146 This all came to a head one day 266 00:13:33,229 --> 00:13:35,773 when Pine failed to obey Grandma's instructions 267 00:13:35,898 --> 00:13:38,026 regarding the cutting of stove wood 268 00:13:38,109 --> 00:13:39,861 for the family shack. 269 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:42,739 Infuriated, she grabbed a glass, cork bottle 270 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:45,074 and smashed him across the head with it. 271 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:49,037 The bottle shattered knocking Pinetop out cold. 272 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,040 When he came to, he found Grandma beating him 273 00:13:52,123 --> 00:13:53,708 with one of those sticks of stove wood. 274 00:13:54,625 --> 00:13:56,419 Pinetop had had enough. 275 00:13:57,462 --> 00:13:59,922 Later recounting the incident, he said, 276 00:14:00,006 --> 00:14:02,467 "I woke up, man, and I left there running. 277 00:14:02,550 --> 00:14:04,260 I hauled rump away from there. 278 00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:06,804 I left them and I went out on my own.” 279 00:14:06,888 --> 00:14:09,223 Pinetop was 16 years old. 280 00:14:10,266 --> 00:14:13,269 [upbeat blues music] 281 00:14:14,145 --> 00:14:17,065 By this time, Pinetop had become a skillful musician 282 00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:19,734 and was finding steady work playing gambling houses, 283 00:14:19,817 --> 00:14:22,945 juke joints, fish fries and brothels. 284 00:14:24,364 --> 00:14:27,909 In 1943, Pinetop would get his big break 285 00:14:27,992 --> 00:14:29,792 when he was asked to join Sonny Boy Williamson 286 00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:31,579 and the King Biscuit Entertainers 287 00:14:31,662 --> 00:14:34,665 on the popular King Biscuit Time radio show. 288 00:14:36,834 --> 00:14:38,711 In the decades to follow, 289 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:40,755 Pinetop would work countless, odd jobs 290 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:43,508 to support himself as a musician. 291 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:46,177 He did everything from driving a tractor, 292 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:49,263 running a gambling house, making moonshine 293 00:14:49,347 --> 00:14:52,225 and teaching Ike Turner how to play the piano. 294 00:15:06,531 --> 00:15:08,091 [Marc] He would go on to record and tour 295 00:15:08,116 --> 00:15:09,992 with the likes of Bobby Blueblan, 296 00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:12,203 Robert Nighthawk, Earl Hooker 297 00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:15,790 and legendary Sun Records Producer, Sam Phillips. 298 00:15:31,889 --> 00:15:33,266 Uh-huh. 299 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:39,814 [upbeat blues music] 300 00:15:39,897 --> 00:15:43,276 [Marc] At a 1969 gig in Upstate New York, 301 00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:46,529 Muddy Waters would ask Pinetop to join his band. 302 00:15:48,364 --> 00:15:50,491 [Paul] We had a gig in Buffalo, New York 303 00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:52,118 at the Governor's Tavern 304 00:15:52,201 --> 00:15:54,537 and Pine was an opening act for Muddy Waters. 305 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:57,498 Pinetop's relationship with Muddy was of two people 306 00:15:57,582 --> 00:16:00,001 that had shared very similar experiences 307 00:16:00,084 --> 00:16:03,171 whereas some of the other band members hadn't, 308 00:16:03,254 --> 00:16:05,173 grown up on a plantation. 309 00:16:05,256 --> 00:16:07,133 Muddy and Pine hit it off right away. 310 00:16:07,216 --> 00:16:09,844 Muddy used to call Pine "Old man," 311 00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:12,763 and I, I don't know who was older though. 312 00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:14,765 On the piano, the Old Man. 313 00:16:15,683 --> 00:16:17,059 Pinetop Perkins. 314 00:16:17,143 --> 00:16:18,895 [audience applauding] 315 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,664 [Paul] Muddy called, "Come on over here, Old Man, 316 00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:22,398 and let's play some cards." 317 00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:23,941 And they'd play casino. 318 00:16:24,025 --> 00:16:27,737 [indistinct chattering] 319 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:29,947 I used to get a kick out of watching them play casino 320 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:31,550 because, because they put the card out. 321 00:16:31,574 --> 00:16:33,367 "Hal I'm going to, I'm going to get you. 322 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:34,869 I'm going to get you, Old Man." 323 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:36,662 [Marc] Pinetop would go on to occupy 324 00:16:36,746 --> 00:16:39,749 the piano chair in Muddy's band for over a decade. 325 00:16:39,832 --> 00:16:42,168 Pine would appear on more than half a dozen albums 326 00:16:42,251 --> 00:16:44,754 and play a significant role in the revitalization 327 00:16:44,837 --> 00:16:48,466 of Muddy's career that would unfold throughout the '70s. 328 00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:01,354 Uh-huh. 329 00:17:13,157 --> 00:17:18,746 ♪ I long, Babe, I long ♪ 330 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:22,375 ♪ You think I'm going to let you ♪ 331 00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:26,504 ♪ Do me wrong ♪ 332 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:30,716 ♪ But I don't know ♪ 333 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:34,762 ♪ I long ♪ 334 00:17:36,097 --> 00:17:38,558 ♪ Babe, I long ♪ 335 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:45,731 ♪ And I'm going to sing this time, baby ♪ 336 00:17:46,983 --> 00:17:49,318 ♪ Ain't going to sing no more ♪ 337 00:17:50,987 --> 00:17:53,573 ♪ Now my time go around ♪ 338 00:17:54,448 --> 00:17:56,951 ♪ I believe I've got to go ♪ 339 00:17:59,245 --> 00:18:01,664 ♪ Oh, I long ♪ 340 00:18:03,332 --> 00:18:05,459 ♪ I long ♪ 341 00:18:06,669 --> 00:18:09,589 ♪ Babe, I long ♪ 342 00:18:15,136 --> 00:18:18,139 [audience applauding] 343 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:21,058 Without the blues, there would be no rock and roll. 344 00:18:21,142 --> 00:18:22,619 I mean, there's all that there is to it. 345 00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:23,996 There wouldn't be any rock and roll 346 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:26,022 if it wasn't for those guys. 347 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:29,275 I mean, they've had a huge influence. Like Muddy did that song, 348 00:18:29,358 --> 00:18:31,503 "The Blues Had a Baby and They Named It Rock and Roll." 349 00:18:31,527 --> 00:18:34,989 That was, just about right. 350 00:18:35,072 --> 00:18:36,842 I mean, there definitely wouldn't be rock and roll 351 00:18:36,866 --> 00:18:37,946 if it wasn't for the blues. 352 00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:41,078 [upbeat blues music] 353 00:18:45,541 --> 00:18:47,168 ♪ 'Cause all you people ♪ 354 00:18:47,251 --> 00:18:48,478 [Scott] We wouldn't have any rock and roll 355 00:18:48,502 --> 00:18:50,463 if it wasn't for Chess Records. 356 00:18:50,546 --> 00:18:52,256 Any rock and roll. 357 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:56,093 Chess had Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters and Chuck Berry. 358 00:18:56,177 --> 00:18:59,430 So they are the architects of rock and roll. 359 00:18:59,513 --> 00:19:01,307 I know they're in the blues genre. 360 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,977 But that, that is the very beating heart of rock and roll, 361 00:19:05,061 --> 00:19:08,481 is, is the, the blues music of the South and Chicago. 362 00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:10,608 The music that those guys created, 363 00:19:10,691 --> 00:19:13,110 it built this bridge from blues to rock 364 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:16,530 because it was too dirty and nasty and angular 365 00:19:16,614 --> 00:19:20,326 to just be Delta blues and traditional blues. 366 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:23,704 But people had not quite taken it all the way 367 00:19:23,788 --> 00:19:26,832 to like Jimi Hendrix at that time. 368 00:19:26,916 --> 00:19:29,377 So this was the missing link. 369 00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:31,671 This was that area where the music 370 00:19:31,754 --> 00:19:34,590 kind of had its own categorization. 371 00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:37,468 It was like nothing else anybody else was doing. 372 00:19:38,594 --> 00:19:40,680 [Marc] By the late '50s, British teens 373 00:19:40,763 --> 00:19:43,015 unaffected by issues of politics and race 374 00:19:43,099 --> 00:19:45,309 were fascinated by the mysterious nature 375 00:19:45,393 --> 00:19:48,979 and undeniable authenticity of American blues. 376 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:52,775 I mean, there's this exotic thing about finding records 377 00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:55,528 from the Deep South and, you know, 378 00:19:55,611 --> 00:19:56,880 these, I mean, there's a whole collection. 379 00:19:56,904 --> 00:19:58,322 -These guys... -The mystery... 380 00:19:58,406 --> 00:20:00,008 Yeah, the mystery of it all. I mean, there's, 381 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,118 you don't know if these guys are alive or dead. 382 00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:05,246 And you don't, you don't know if these stories are mythical or true. 383 00:20:05,329 --> 00:20:08,165 In Britain, they'd be, they'd... I don't know what they'd be playing. 384 00:20:08,249 --> 00:20:10,584 There'd certainly be no Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin 385 00:20:10,668 --> 00:20:12,128 or Beatles without those records. 386 00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:32,064 [Marc] In 1964, the Rolling Stones, 387 00:20:32,148 --> 00:20:34,066 still a fledgling band, 388 00:20:34,150 --> 00:20:36,444 decided against management's advice 389 00:20:36,527 --> 00:20:39,822 to record an American blues song as their next single. 390 00:20:41,031 --> 00:20:44,910 The Stones insisted on recording Howlin' Wolf's "Little Red Rooster” 391 00:20:44,994 --> 00:20:47,580 featuring Hubert Sumlin's signature, guitar riff. 392 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,039 The Rolling Stones. 393 00:20:49,123 --> 00:20:51,500 [crowd cheering] 394 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:53,919 ♪ I am the Little Red Rooster, baby ♪ 395 00:20:55,087 --> 00:20:58,132 ♪ Too lazy to crow today ♪ 396 00:20:58,215 --> 00:21:00,801 [Keith] Let's see if we can actually spin it back around 397 00:21:00,885 --> 00:21:02,762 and give them the blues 398 00:21:02,845 --> 00:21:04,430 and make American, white kids 399 00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:06,348 listen to "Little Red Rooster" 400 00:21:06,432 --> 00:21:08,142 and then go, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." 401 00:21:08,225 --> 00:21:09,727 Uh-huh. 402 00:21:09,810 --> 00:21:11,812 "You had it all the time, pal, 403 00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:14,356 you know, you just didn't listen." 404 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,251 [man] We actually said, "This is a Howlin' Wolf's song 405 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:17,461 or this is a Muddy Waters' song.” 406 00:21:17,485 --> 00:21:19,570 So the kids got to know this 407 00:21:19,653 --> 00:21:22,072 and then they went out searching for the records. 408 00:21:24,909 --> 00:21:27,161 ♪ The dogs begin to bark, baby ♪ 409 00:21:28,204 --> 00:21:31,749 ♪ The howls began howlin' ♪ 410 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:34,936 It was really the British guys that brought it around, 411 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,048 you know, to the Americans and then, uh, um, 412 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:43,260 turned on guys like me and, uh, to go back and, and dig. 413 00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:47,723 British bands at that time, they sort of, um... 414 00:21:49,558 --> 00:21:51,018 you know, took it in, 415 00:21:51,101 --> 00:21:52,937 they sort of made it their own thing, 416 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:55,689 and they put it right back in our face. 417 00:21:55,773 --> 00:21:58,275 Like, "Hey, Americans, look what you have 418 00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,944 and you're not even aware of it." 419 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,979 [Marc] "Little Red Rooster" would reach number one in England 420 00:22:35,062 --> 00:22:37,439 and to this day remains the only blues song 421 00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:39,233 ever to hit that mark. 422 00:22:39,316 --> 00:22:40,568 [Joe] The Stones made no bones 423 00:22:40,651 --> 00:22:42,045 about whose songs they were playing. 424 00:22:42,069 --> 00:22:44,071 Then the next generation, were these bands 425 00:22:44,154 --> 00:22:46,323 were, like, really playing blues. 426 00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:47,908 The Allman Brothers... 427 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:50,578 we don't play 428 00:22:50,661 --> 00:22:52,913 a whole lot of real intricate stuff. 429 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:57,084 Basis of it, the groove of it is, is... 430 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,212 spawned from the blues. 431 00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:02,047 ♪ I don't care how long you're gone ♪ 432 00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:05,801 ♪ I don't care how long you stay ♪ 433 00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:08,971 ♪ It's going to come true, baby ♪ 434 00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:12,016 ♪ We get a home someday ♪ 435 00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:13,809 No matter where else it may go, 436 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:17,062 it's going to come back to... 437 00:23:17,146 --> 00:23:20,065 I mean, it's all just drenched in the blues. 438 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:27,573 Those guys, those are the guys that performed all the, 439 00:23:27,656 --> 00:23:30,951 all the songs that are so dear to my heart, you know? 440 00:23:31,035 --> 00:23:32,912 We started doing the Beacon and guests 441 00:23:32,995 --> 00:23:34,455 started showing up and I was like, 442 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:35,765 "You know what? If we're going to have people out, 443 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,374 let's have people out." 444 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:40,085 Like, "Let's have people that started this band. 445 00:23:40,169 --> 00:23:42,105 Let's have people that Duane Allman would want to have out."” 446 00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:44,107 It was like sitting down, playing with your grandpa. 447 00:23:44,131 --> 00:23:46,508 [Derek] Hubert was one of the first names that come to mind. 448 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:48,969 So, when those guys got back to us, it was like, 449 00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:50,471 "Hu would love to come out."” 450 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:53,474 You know, Me and Warren, we were, we were pumped. 451 00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:56,393 "No shit? Hubert's coming out?" [laughing] 452 00:23:56,477 --> 00:23:59,730 [Warren] The one and only legendary Hubert Sumlin on the guitar. 453 00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:02,858 [crowd cheering] 454 00:24:07,071 --> 00:24:09,448 ♪ One summer day ♪ 455 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:13,911 ♪ She went away ♪ 456 00:24:16,997 --> 00:24:19,583 ♪ She had packed her suitcase ♪ 457 00:24:21,502 --> 00:24:23,420 ♪ And moved away ♪ 458 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:29,343 ♪ I don't worry ♪ 459 00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:34,306 ♪ I don't worry ♪ 460 00:24:37,393 --> 00:24:40,771 ♪ I'm saton top ♪ 461 00:24:42,106 --> 00:24:43,607 ♪ Of the world ♪ 462 00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:53,200 ♪ Goodbye ♪ 463 00:24:53,283 --> 00:24:55,869 When you hear Hubert tell stories, he's talking about, 464 00:24:55,953 --> 00:24:59,581 "You know, I was with Etta backstage in 1955..." 465 00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:01,667 And you realize he's talking about The Apollo 466 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:03,711 with James Brown and Etta James 467 00:25:03,794 --> 00:25:06,005 and he's hitting on Etta in 1955 468 00:25:06,088 --> 00:25:07,589 and all this stuff's going on. 469 00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:10,217 He doesn't realize how incredibly cool it is. 470 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:14,138 He was, he was a fantastic guy and a great storyteller too 471 00:25:14,221 --> 00:25:16,932 because he had all these stories about being on the road. 472 00:25:17,016 --> 00:25:18,994 And he would always do that thing where he'd incorporate 473 00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:20,662 your name in the story, and then he's like, 474 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:22,539 "And then, Derek, you know what Wolf said to me?" 475 00:25:22,563 --> 00:25:24,023 And I was like, "What, Hubert? What?" 476 00:25:24,106 --> 00:25:25,858 He's one of those guys that had a knack, 477 00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:28,152 that when you talk to him, of making you feel 478 00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:29,835 like the most important guy in the world. 479 00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:31,321 Pinetop... 480 00:25:31,405 --> 00:25:32,448 uh, 481 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,324 he, wow, what a resilient guy. 482 00:25:37,286 --> 00:25:38,286 Chain smoked cigarettes. 483 00:25:38,328 --> 00:25:39,747 [lighter flicking] 484 00:25:41,582 --> 00:25:44,877 And he loved women, we had lots of discussions about women. 485 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,880 Hey, Pinetop, what was that song you sung about big women? 486 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:51,008 [man] Yeah! [laughing] 487 00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:52,801 Shaking on the bones. 488 00:26:10,944 --> 00:26:12,529 [men laughing] 489 00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:14,364 [Bobby] Just... just warmhearted. 490 00:26:14,448 --> 00:26:19,536 Just easygoing, whatever, whatever, you know? 491 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:21,180 Yeah, as long as they got some McDonald. 492 00:26:21,205 --> 00:26:22,205 [laughing] 493 00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:23,248 He loved McDonald's. 494 00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:41,767 Two double cheeseburgers, two apple pies and Sprite, 495 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:44,937 which is five dollars on the dollar menu and shares for two meals. 496 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,939 That's what he ate every day. 497 00:26:55,906 --> 00:26:58,575 He didn't even care that I was some long-haired, 498 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,537 young, white kid who probably should have been, 499 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:03,831 you know, in a Pearl Jam cover band. 500 00:27:03,914 --> 00:27:05,749 These guys were my fricking Pearl Jam. 501 00:27:05,833 --> 00:27:07,334 They were my musical heroes 502 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:09,137 and they just treated me like any other cat. 503 00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:12,756 Mostly we just talked about other stuff, you know? 504 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,551 Like fishing and women and what they like to drink. 505 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,845 Willie was another one of those guys that called me son. 506 00:27:17,928 --> 00:27:20,681 And, you know, we took him out on the road with us as well 507 00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:23,267 and we had a, a tremendous amount of fun. 508 00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:25,894 And we talked about a lot of things, uh, personal. 509 00:27:25,978 --> 00:27:27,521 I mean, he's got a lot of kids 510 00:27:27,604 --> 00:27:30,107 and I've met many of his children. 511 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:32,693 He and I were friends and discussed, uh, 512 00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:34,403 my experience becoming a father 513 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:36,613 and starting, you know, beginning my own family 514 00:27:36,738 --> 00:27:37,799 and raising children and stuff. 515 00:27:37,823 --> 00:27:39,449 But I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma 516 00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:42,953 and in 1960 517 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:46,582 I went to Chicago to get into the blues, 518 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:50,627 and the first band I ever saw in my life 519 00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:52,129 had these guys in it. 520 00:27:52,212 --> 00:27:56,758 Muddy Waters, James Cotton, Otis Spann 521 00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:59,511 and, guess who was playing drums in that band? 522 00:27:59,595 --> 00:28:03,140 [audience screaming] 523 00:28:03,223 --> 00:28:04,725 Willie Smith. 524 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:08,061 [Willie] If you want to go back, let's go all the way back. 525 00:28:08,145 --> 00:28:11,273 Ever since I can remember, I always wanted to play. 526 00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:14,359 [percussive music] 527 00:28:14,443 --> 00:28:17,070 [trumpet playing] 528 00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:20,991 ♪ Train arrive ♪ 529 00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:24,578 [Marc] Willie Smith was born January 19th, 1936 530 00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:26,663 just across the mighty Mississippi 531 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:29,750 from Pinetop and Hubert in Helena, Arkansas. 532 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,794 [upbeat blues music] 533 00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:35,464 Growing up amidst all the great music of the South, 534 00:28:35,547 --> 00:28:37,591 Willie inherited his mother's love of music 535 00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:41,053 and passion for the blues at an early age. 536 00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:43,639 However, a burning desire to play an instrument 537 00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:45,766 was hampered by a lack of money. 538 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,247 [Marc] Undeterred, Willie picked up the harmonica, 539 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:10,332 the most affordable and portable instrument 540 00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,125 available to him at the time. 541 00:29:12,209 --> 00:29:15,629 [harmonica playing] 542 00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:18,131 Like so many Southern, black men and women, 543 00:29:18,215 --> 00:29:20,467 Willie's mother would join the great migration North 544 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:22,010 and head to Chicago. 545 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:24,930 Leaving Willie behind with his grandmother, 546 00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:27,683 she hoped to find a better job and build a better life 547 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,559 for her and her young son. 548 00:29:31,395 --> 00:29:33,855 Throughout his youth, Willie formed many bands 549 00:29:33,939 --> 00:29:36,525 and was developing a serious love of the blues. 550 00:29:37,859 --> 00:29:40,028 Never missing a chance to check out the new music 551 00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:42,364 playing on all the juke boxes, 552 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:45,909 Willie became particularly fond of Muddy Waters, 553 00:29:45,993 --> 00:29:47,869 the man who was redefining the music 554 00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:51,456 with his new, Chicago style, electrified blues. 555 00:29:51,540 --> 00:29:54,543 ♪ Well, I'm going away to leave ♪ 556 00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:57,713 ♪ Won't be back no more going back down South ♪ 557 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:01,675 At age 17, Willie was called to join his mother in Chicago. 558 00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:04,928 Taking the lllinois Central North, 559 00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:06,332 he didn't get off until he arrived 560 00:30:06,388 --> 00:30:08,890 at Chicago Central Station. 561 00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:13,895 ♪ Well, babe, I just can't be satisfied and I just can't be ♪ 562 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:17,816 It wouldn't be long before his mom would take him to meet his idol, Muddy Waters. 563 00:30:19,109 --> 00:30:20,777 And within a few years, 564 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:23,363 Willie would find himself occupying the drum chair 565 00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:25,032 in Muddy's band. 566 00:30:25,115 --> 00:30:27,242 A position he would fill off and on 567 00:30:27,326 --> 00:30:29,119 for the next four decades. 568 00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:34,958 [upbeat blues guitar music] 569 00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:54,269 [upbeat blues guitar music] 570 00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:20,563 And he was a great, blues player. I mean, I think people kind of overlooked that 571 00:31:20,587 --> 00:31:22,839 a little bit because they're so enamored 572 00:31:22,964 --> 00:31:25,175 of his sound and his tone, 573 00:31:25,258 --> 00:31:26,927 just this aura of Jimi Hendrix. 574 00:31:40,816 --> 00:31:44,403 [Marc] Arriving in England in the fall of 1966, 575 00:31:44,486 --> 00:31:47,280 Jimi Hendrix, a big fan of Hubert's guitar playing 576 00:31:47,364 --> 00:31:50,617 and in particular his lick on the song, "Killing Floor,” 577 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,537 would use that song to stun the who's who 578 00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:54,996 of the British Rock scene. 579 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,374 [audience applauding] 580 00:31:57,457 --> 00:32:00,877 Jimi would then take his talent to a much larger stage, 581 00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:03,672 one populated by none other than his idols, 582 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:05,715 Hubert Sumlin and Howlin' Wolf. 583 00:32:06,883 --> 00:32:07,926 Thank you. 584 00:32:09,219 --> 00:32:13,014 [Will] Hendrix was in the crowd and, and he came up and, 585 00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:15,559 you know, he was just, went straight for the stage. 586 00:32:23,483 --> 00:32:26,528 [upbeat blues music] 587 00:32:35,245 --> 00:32:36,913 [will] Wolf... the band was playing 588 00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:38,998 and he came on the stage and played with the band. 589 00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:54,181 ♪ I should have quit you ♪ 590 00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:57,476 ♪ A long time ago ♪ 591 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:24,461 [upbeat rock music] 592 00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:34,906 [Will] If you look at Jimi Hendrix choosing to play "Killing Floor," 593 00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,682 he's the guy that redefined electric guitar playing. 594 00:33:37,766 --> 00:33:40,769 [guitar playing] 595 00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:45,490 [Will] To have been influenced then by Hubert Sumlin, that says a lot. 596 00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:56,409 Hubert was a big influence on Jimi Hendrix. 597 00:33:57,994 --> 00:33:59,621 Basically, if you take him, 598 00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:02,332 you take that style and you put it through 599 00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:04,834 a big amplifier and turn it up, 600 00:34:04,918 --> 00:34:06,253 you've got Hendrix. 601 00:34:08,672 --> 00:34:11,132 When you listen to a lot of those Wolf records, 602 00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:14,386 Hubert's contribution to that music 603 00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:17,013 was so important because 604 00:34:17,097 --> 00:34:18,932 it helped create something 605 00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:23,186 that transcended where blues had been at that point. 606 00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:25,647 It led us to rock and roll. 607 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:27,691 That's such a heavy contribution, 608 00:34:27,774 --> 00:34:29,442 it can't be overlooked. 609 00:34:29,526 --> 00:34:31,278 I always found myself wondering 610 00:34:31,361 --> 00:34:34,322 does he know how heavy he is? 611 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:36,032 Did he know how heavy he was? 612 00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:38,660 I don't know, he was such a lighthearted, 613 00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:40,370 fun-loving character 614 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:43,623 that I never got the, the sense that he was even aware 615 00:34:43,707 --> 00:34:45,667 of how much he had contributed. 616 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:48,670 The blues for him was life. 617 00:34:51,423 --> 00:34:52,507 Life. 618 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:55,093 And it made him happy. 619 00:34:56,553 --> 00:34:59,723 And he could play the devil out of it. 620 00:34:59,806 --> 00:35:02,058 [upbeat blues music] 621 00:35:02,142 --> 00:35:04,144 [Marc] Hubert Sumlin was born to a loving mother 622 00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:05,937 and strict, sharecropping father 623 00:35:06,021 --> 00:35:10,483 in Greenwood, Mississippi on November 16th, 1931. 624 00:35:12,193 --> 00:35:14,696 His big brother ignited Hubert's passion for music 625 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:17,073 after fashioning a makeshift guitar 626 00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:18,992 known as a diddley bow, 627 00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:20,869 by nailing a piece of bailing wire 628 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,954 to the side of the family shack. 629 00:35:24,414 --> 00:35:26,750 Using a Coke bottle as a slide, 630 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,628 he made a sound that Hubert found irresistible. 631 00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:34,758 Hubert's mother, recognizing her son's passion, 632 00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:36,926 would spend an entire week's salary 633 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:39,471 to buy Hubert his first real guitar. 634 00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:41,097 This would mark the start 635 00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:43,475 of a lifelong, love affair with the instrument. 636 00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:47,062 [upbeat blues guitar music] 637 00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:12,712 [Marc] The next time a Coke bottle would figure so prominently 638 00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:14,339 into young Hubert's life, 639 00:36:14,422 --> 00:36:16,049 it would have equally significant 640 00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:17,801 and long-lasting consequences. 641 00:36:40,824 --> 00:36:42,325 ♪ I've got the house rockin' boogie ♪ 642 00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:44,536 ♪ Everybody's on the ball ♪ 643 00:36:44,619 --> 00:36:47,664 [upbeat blues music] 644 00:37:10,895 --> 00:37:13,690 ♪ Baby, that's Howlin' time ♪ 645 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:29,080 ♪ Hey, hey ♪ 646 00:37:29,164 --> 00:37:31,416 ♪ Baby, saint is on the ball ♪ 647 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:34,919 ♪ Hey, hey ♪ 648 00:37:35,003 --> 00:37:37,255 ♪ Saintis on the ball ♪ 649 00:37:57,484 --> 00:38:00,528 [upbeat blues music] 650 00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:07,160 [Marc] In the ensuing years, 651 00:38:07,243 --> 00:38:09,871 Howlin' Wolf would keep tabs on the brash, young man 652 00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:11,873 who had literally fallen out of the sky 653 00:38:11,956 --> 00:38:14,125 onto his head and into his life. 654 00:38:15,376 --> 00:38:18,421 In 1954, Wolf would call down South 655 00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:21,257 and ask Hubert to join him in Chicago. 656 00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,885 His arrival would mark the beginning of an extraordinary 657 00:38:23,968 --> 00:38:25,637 father son-like relationship 658 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,097 that would last for the next quarter century. 659 00:38:29,057 --> 00:38:31,059 During that time, Hubert and Wolf 660 00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:33,561 would form one of the greatest, musical partnerships 661 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:35,814 in the history of Western music. 662 00:38:37,774 --> 00:38:40,360 The relationship between Hubert and Wolf, 663 00:38:40,443 --> 00:38:42,821 was really the relationship between a father and a son. 664 00:38:44,364 --> 00:38:47,200 Hubert thought of Wolf as his father. 665 00:38:47,283 --> 00:38:49,452 Wolf thought of him as, as his son. 666 00:38:49,536 --> 00:38:52,831 Howlin' Wolf's voice and Hubert Sumlin's guitar playing went hand-in-hand. 667 00:38:52,914 --> 00:38:56,000 And you almost couldn't really hear one without the other. 668 00:38:56,084 --> 00:38:58,878 The combination of Hubert Sumlin and Howlin' Wolf 669 00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:01,714 was like that was why they were brought into this world. 670 00:39:01,798 --> 00:39:03,633 For that. 671 00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:06,427 Don't care what they were doing before or who they had with. 672 00:39:06,511 --> 00:39:09,848 It's just when you see a hand that fit in the glove perfect, 673 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:12,535 that's what you use to catch everything with. 674 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,311 Hubert is a smart, guitar player. 675 00:39:15,436 --> 00:39:19,524 And he don't ever, he didn't ever pretend he knew so much. 676 00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:23,027 He would use the world like, "I tried.” 677 00:39:23,111 --> 00:39:24,153 And when he said that... 678 00:39:24,237 --> 00:39:25,237 [puffs] 679 00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:28,575 [Bonnie] "300 Pounds of Joy" to me 680 00:39:28,658 --> 00:39:30,743 is the greatest guitar solo I've ever heard. 681 00:39:30,827 --> 00:39:33,496 That guitar solo, when I want to show people 682 00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:35,206 what I love about Wolf, 683 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:36,875 not only is it his singing, 684 00:39:36,958 --> 00:39:39,002 but it's Hubert's playing, and that solo does it. 685 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:42,130 The timing of the solo on "300 Hundred Pounds of Joy," 686 00:39:42,213 --> 00:39:44,632 which I can sing to you verbatim, 687 00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:47,343 and I've been at parties, you know, high and sober 688 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:49,429 and played it and made people sit, "Shh-shh-shh." 689 00:39:49,512 --> 00:39:52,765 [upbeat blues music] 690 00:39:58,605 --> 00:40:00,732 The way he swings inside the beat 691 00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:03,067 and delays and does, it's so much poetry. 692 00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:04,879 I mean, I'm sure that he wasn't sitting around 693 00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:06,714 thinking about it, it's just the way that he played. 694 00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:09,365 Of all these guys, he was the legit rock star. 695 00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:11,618 People knew about Pinetop and Willie. 696 00:40:11,701 --> 00:40:14,495 People revered in the rock world of Hubert Sumlin. 697 00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:17,624 [cars humming] 698 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:20,607 - [woman] Willie? - [man] Look at that. 699 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,934 [Hubert laughing] 700 00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:38,728 Look at that! 701 00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:48,321 To rank him in 100 top guitar players, 702 00:40:48,404 --> 00:40:50,531 he's got to at least be in the top five 703 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:51,991 if not the top three. 704 00:40:52,075 --> 00:40:54,619 I mean, for his influence and his imprint 705 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:57,372 that he left on everybody. 706 00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:59,624 [Derek] I was really happy to see Hubert 707 00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:01,584 on that list when it first came out. 708 00:41:01,668 --> 00:41:04,837 -It's like there was some justice. [chuckles] -Exactly. 709 00:41:04,921 --> 00:41:06,798 It wasn't correct where he was put. 710 00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:09,258 But it was the fact that he was on there. 711 00:41:09,342 --> 00:41:10,969 - Yep. - Made me feel good. 712 00:41:11,052 --> 00:41:14,430 All these kids that, that play guitar now, you know, 713 00:41:14,514 --> 00:41:16,015 even if they don't know it, 714 00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:18,309 they've stolen something from Hubert Sumlin. 715 00:41:28,861 --> 00:41:30,196 Ha-ha-ha. 716 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:32,615 Yeah! 717 00:41:33,783 --> 00:41:35,827 [Lance] It blows my mind that Hubert Sumlin's not 718 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:37,370 in the rock and roll Hall of Fame. 719 00:41:37,453 --> 00:41:39,330 You can hear Hubert Sumlin 720 00:41:39,414 --> 00:41:42,875 in every modern, lead guitar player today. 721 00:41:42,959 --> 00:41:47,380 I mean, he is as important as Chuck Berry in that respect. 722 00:41:47,463 --> 00:41:49,841 For him to not get that due is mind-blowing. 723 00:42:06,649 --> 00:42:09,694 [upbeat blues music] 724 00:42:13,656 --> 00:42:17,994 ♪ Should've quit you long, long, long time ago ♪ 725 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:25,793 ♪ Should have quit you, baby, long, long, long time ago ♪ 726 00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:33,801 ♪ Should've quit you way on back in Mexico ♪ 727 00:43:24,811 --> 00:43:28,064 [Marc] As the 1970s dawned, the demand and appreciation 728 00:43:28,147 --> 00:43:30,316 for the blues had begun to fade. 729 00:43:31,484 --> 00:43:34,946 However, like so many times in the past, 730 00:43:35,029 --> 00:43:37,573 the music would ultimately prevail, 731 00:43:37,657 --> 00:43:40,535 helped in a large part by several key events 732 00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:43,037 that not only kept the blues alive, 733 00:43:43,121 --> 00:43:45,164 but also helped it thrive. 734 00:43:46,791 --> 00:43:49,085 These would include the Johnny Winter produced 735 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:53,005 Muddy Waters album Hard Again and Chess Records, 736 00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:55,049 The London Howlin' Wolf Sessions. 737 00:43:56,968 --> 00:43:59,512 Pinetop, Willie and Hubert 738 00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:02,974 would each play integral parts in these important events. 739 00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:06,102 [blues guitar music] 740 00:44:09,063 --> 00:44:11,023 [Wolf] Let's show you how to do it. You know now. 741 00:44:11,107 --> 00:44:13,484 Now you and Hubert take it 742 00:44:23,578 --> 00:44:25,621 I just started to pick up guitar 743 00:44:25,705 --> 00:44:28,082 and at that point I was listening to... 744 00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:32,503 Clapton, and Hendrix, and Johnny Winter. 745 00:44:32,587 --> 00:44:33,963 And my brother said, 746 00:44:34,046 --> 00:44:36,215 "Hey, check out this Howlin' Wolf record. 747 00:44:36,299 --> 00:44:38,301 Eric Clapton's playing on it." 748 00:44:38,384 --> 00:44:40,887 And it was the London Sessionrecords. 749 00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:43,931 So like a lot of people my age, 750 00:44:44,015 --> 00:44:46,642 my first encounter with Wolf 751 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:48,394 was the London Sessions. 752 00:44:48,477 --> 00:44:52,190 When Wolf went over to do the London Sessions, 753 00:44:52,273 --> 00:44:56,027 uh, in England and they flew him over there, 754 00:44:56,110 --> 00:44:57,653 generally what they did with people 755 00:44:57,778 --> 00:44:59,548 is they would bring, like, Muddy Waters or whatever. 756 00:44:59,572 --> 00:45:01,490 And, and then they would match them up 757 00:45:01,574 --> 00:45:03,159 with a bunch of English musicians. 758 00:45:03,242 --> 00:45:04,744 But Wolf brought Hubert with him. 759 00:45:04,827 --> 00:45:06,746 He insisted that Hubert be there, you know, 760 00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:08,789 because he was such an integral part of his sound. 761 00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:11,417 [man] Tell me aboutthe London Howlin' Wolf Sessions. 762 00:45:41,864 --> 00:45:44,909 [blues guitar music] 763 00:45:47,036 --> 00:45:49,121 Those sessions, I think it's incalculable 764 00:45:49,205 --> 00:45:51,707 because you've got, if you bring together, 765 00:45:51,832 --> 00:45:53,626 almost at the peak of their powers, uh, 766 00:45:53,709 --> 00:45:55,294 you have these British musicians. 767 00:45:55,378 --> 00:45:57,797 Uh, and, and now the, 768 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,383 they're slowly becoming the elder statesmen of blues, 769 00:46:00,466 --> 00:46:02,677 uh, people like Howlin' Wolf 770 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,471 uh, and almost passing the torch to a degree. 771 00:46:18,567 --> 00:46:21,070 Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts showed up. 772 00:46:21,153 --> 00:46:24,407 And, you know, every musician in London was there. 773 00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:26,325 Mick Jagger was in the studio. 774 00:46:26,409 --> 00:46:28,244 [blues guitar music] 775 00:46:28,327 --> 00:46:31,622 Howlin' Wolf was very resistant to playing with these guys. 776 00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:34,834 In London, Wolf was completely out of his element. 777 00:46:34,917 --> 00:46:37,545 He, was uncomfortable out of his element. 778 00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:41,233 Eric came up to me after the first day and said, 779 00:46:41,257 --> 00:46:43,360 "Do you think I should even come back tomorrow, you know, 780 00:46:43,384 --> 00:46:44,969 I mean, Wolf just grabbed me 781 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,887 and seems he doesn't like us." 782 00:46:46,971 --> 00:46:49,116 And I said, "No, no, no, come, you can come back tomorrow. 783 00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:50,474 It'll be fine." 784 00:46:50,558 --> 00:46:51,785 So the next day I saw Eric, I said, 785 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:54,770 "Look, why don't you ask him 786 00:46:54,854 --> 00:46:57,732 to show you the changes 787 00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,443 on slide guitar for 'Little Red Rooster?' 788 00:47:00,526 --> 00:47:02,778 And, of course, Eric knew it in his sleep. 789 00:47:02,862 --> 00:47:04,322 But he got the idea. 790 00:47:04,405 --> 00:47:07,033 And so you can hear on the record him saying, 791 00:47:07,116 --> 00:47:09,452 "Hey, Wolf, you know, would you show us how, 792 00:47:09,535 --> 00:47:11,430 you know, the slide part goes on 'Little Red Rooster?" 793 00:47:11,454 --> 00:47:13,164 We really can't do it without you, man. 794 00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:14,540 We want you to play it with us." 795 00:47:14,623 --> 00:47:17,877 So Wolf reaches down to his cardboard, 796 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,007 guitar case and pulls out his old, Sears Silvertone Guitar 797 00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:25,134 and he starts playing this humongous, 798 00:47:25,217 --> 00:47:27,803 unbelievable, slide sound. 799 00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:29,972 And you can hear on the record if you listen to it, 800 00:47:30,056 --> 00:47:32,558 you know, how he's teaching them the song. 801 00:47:32,641 --> 00:47:35,686 And at that moment, I think Wolf melted. 802 00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:38,814 [blues guitar music] 803 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,403 [Wolf] Let's show you how to do it. You know now. 804 00:47:44,487 --> 00:47:47,740 Now you and Hubert take it Now you play it that way. 805 00:47:47,823 --> 00:47:50,010 [Eric] You sure you wouldn't like, why don't you play acoustic on it? 806 00:47:50,034 --> 00:47:51,452 - [Wolf] No. - [Eric] With us, man. 807 00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:53,537 See if you'll play with us, Wolf, 808 00:47:53,621 --> 00:47:55,331 then we'll be able to follow you better. 809 00:47:55,414 --> 00:47:58,209 Like, like you were doing it right then, man. 810 00:47:58,292 --> 00:48:00,020 - [man] You there. - [Eric] That's how we should record it 811 00:48:00,044 --> 00:48:01,128 and I can follow you, 812 00:48:01,212 --> 00:48:02,588 I can see what you're doing. 813 00:48:02,671 --> 00:48:04,382 [man] Really, just sit here and do it. 814 00:48:04,465 --> 00:48:07,593 [Wolf] Listen, everybody get together there 815 00:48:07,676 --> 00:48:08,969 and we'll try to make it. 816 00:48:09,053 --> 00:48:10,137 [Eric] Okay, let's try. 817 00:48:10,221 --> 00:48:11,514 I don't know if I can do it 818 00:48:11,597 --> 00:48:13,349 - without you. - [Wolf] Oh, man. 819 00:48:13,432 --> 00:48:15,851 Come on, he's just, you ain't got nothing to do 820 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:18,145 but count if off and, and, um, 821 00:48:19,188 --> 00:48:21,857 and, uh, change on the, and you know, when you said. 822 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:24,026 One. 823 00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:27,071 [blues guitar music] 824 00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:28,239 Two. 825 00:48:28,322 --> 00:48:30,699 [blues guitar music] 826 00:48:30,783 --> 00:48:31,826 Three. 827 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:33,994 [blues guitar music] 828 00:48:34,078 --> 00:48:35,663 Four, you change. 829 00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:38,624 [upbeat blues music] 830 00:48:38,707 --> 00:48:41,836 ♪ Have you seen my little red rooster ♪ 831 00:48:43,504 --> 00:48:45,756 ♪ Even when you're at peace ♪ 832 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,633 ♪ Same as all ♪ 833 00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:55,349 ♪ You know I had no peace ♪ 834 00:48:55,433 --> 00:48:56,976 ♪ In my mind ♪ 835 00:48:58,436 --> 00:49:02,148 ♪ People said my little red rooster be gone ♪ 836 00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:52,239 - [man 1] Alright. - [man 2] That's it. 837 00:49:52,323 --> 00:49:54,408 - [man 1] Yeah, that's it. - [man 2] That's it. 838 00:49:54,492 --> 00:49:56,327 [man 1] That's it, that's it. [chuckles] 839 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:59,455 Hard Againsonically is one of the best albums 840 00:49:59,538 --> 00:50:01,081 ever recorded in the blues genre. 841 00:50:01,165 --> 00:50:02,333 It's just one of the great, 842 00:50:02,416 --> 00:50:03,477 greatest, blues albums of all time. 843 00:50:03,501 --> 00:50:04,793 That record comes on 844 00:50:04,877 --> 00:50:06,754 and it is just fat and compressed. 845 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:08,506 That first tune hits you 846 00:50:08,589 --> 00:50:10,508 and it's just like, that groove is just bam. 847 00:50:10,591 --> 00:50:12,968 [blues guitar music] 848 00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:14,553 ♪ Yeah ♪ 849 00:50:16,514 --> 00:50:18,974 That's the most powerful blues riff ever played. 850 00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:21,477 Everybody knows that riff, everybody. 851 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,271 The Muddy Waters Band that I always wanted to be a part of, 852 00:50:24,355 --> 00:50:26,482 it had Pinetop, it had Willie "Big Eyes" Smith, 853 00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,734 it had Bob Margolin, Johnny Winter, 854 00:50:28,817 --> 00:50:30,319 Muddy Waters, all these guys. 855 00:50:30,402 --> 00:50:32,321 Once Chess folded and he went to G.R.T, 856 00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:34,448 they didn't really know what to do with him. 857 00:50:34,532 --> 00:50:36,408 They made some pretty bad records. 858 00:50:36,492 --> 00:50:38,136 I just wanted to get him back to where I knew 859 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,329 he always wanted to be. 860 00:50:40,412 --> 00:50:44,542 [Lance] Johnny wanted to capture the essence and the passion 861 00:50:44,625 --> 00:50:46,877 of that whole band 862 00:50:46,961 --> 00:50:48,837 being in the room together 863 00:50:48,921 --> 00:50:51,590 and, you know, capture, like I said capturing 864 00:50:51,674 --> 00:50:53,884 that lightning in a bottle, and, and he did. 865 00:50:53,968 --> 00:50:55,636 ♪ And ♪ 866 00:50:56,971 --> 00:50:59,282 [Johnny] It was a lot of fun. We did everything real quick. 867 00:50:59,306 --> 00:51:01,141 One or two takes. 868 00:51:01,225 --> 00:51:03,018 Everybody knew what they were doing. 869 00:51:03,102 --> 00:51:05,229 It's all seasoned, blues guys. 870 00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:07,815 So it was a very easy record to make. It was just a lot of fun. 871 00:51:07,898 --> 00:51:09,400 [Muddy] Johnny the boss man now. 872 00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:11,151 [indistinct] We going to hear something. 873 00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:14,196 [upbeat blues music] 874 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,657 Johnny wanted to turn Muddy back 875 00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:18,492 into the Muddy that he knew and listened to. 876 00:51:18,576 --> 00:51:20,428 So that was his main thing, that's how he produced that. 877 00:51:20,452 --> 00:51:21,954 It was all live. 878 00:51:22,037 --> 00:51:24,039 He tried to do it one take as much as possible. 879 00:51:24,123 --> 00:51:26,417 Willie's drums were captured 880 00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:28,627 in the most powerful light ever. 881 00:51:28,711 --> 00:51:31,213 Pinetop's playing is just weaving in and out 882 00:51:31,297 --> 00:51:33,465 of every song throughout the entire record 883 00:51:33,549 --> 00:51:36,594 and he plays all these great parts just at the right time. 884 00:51:38,846 --> 00:51:40,931 Johnny is of course in the band. 885 00:51:41,015 --> 00:51:42,683 They're, they're playing live 886 00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:46,186 and he couldn't control himself behind the console, 887 00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:48,314 like, screaming and shouting. 888 00:51:48,397 --> 00:51:50,232 Just getting off so much on the music. 889 00:51:50,316 --> 00:51:52,318 I think that kind of says it all. 890 00:51:54,153 --> 00:51:58,490 [Bob] Hard Againreally kind of helped revive Muddy's career 891 00:51:58,574 --> 00:52:00,659 and I run into a lot of people who are, 892 00:52:00,743 --> 00:52:03,495 all about 50 years old now who say, 893 00:52:03,579 --> 00:52:06,999 "That's what got me into blues right there. Through Johnny Winter." 894 00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:10,294 Which is exactly what Johnny was deliberately 895 00:52:10,377 --> 00:52:12,296 trying to do and he did that. 896 00:52:12,379 --> 00:52:15,841 ♪ Because I know she can't be beat ♪ 897 00:52:15,924 --> 00:52:17,801 Yeah. That were some fun years, man. 898 00:52:20,846 --> 00:52:21,889 [man] Great music. 899 00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:23,682 No money but look at all the fun 900 00:52:23,766 --> 00:52:26,477 you was having, that's what life is all about. 901 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,605 [upbeat blues music] 902 00:52:31,815 --> 00:52:34,526 [Marc] Three and a half decades after it's released, 903 00:52:34,610 --> 00:52:37,655 "The Blues Brothers" ” is considered a timeless classic 904 00:52:37,738 --> 00:52:40,449 and continues to entertain fans around the world. 905 00:52:40,532 --> 00:52:42,493 ♪ Boom, boom, boom ♪ 906 00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:43,869 ♪ Hmm-hmm ♪ 907 00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:45,371 When Danny and I wrote the movie, 908 00:52:45,454 --> 00:52:47,081 it, it was important that we have artists 909 00:52:47,164 --> 00:52:49,583 on Maxwell Street in Chicago. 910 00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:51,293 And then we said, "Well, great, 911 00:52:51,377 --> 00:52:53,420 here's an opportunity to get some great artists.” 912 00:52:53,504 --> 00:52:55,381 And so we approached Muddy Waters 913 00:52:55,464 --> 00:52:57,216 and he was very enthusiastic. 914 00:52:57,299 --> 00:52:59,444 And that's why Pinetop, that's why those guys are there, 915 00:52:59,468 --> 00:53:01,220 because it's his backup guys. 916 00:53:02,221 --> 00:53:03,806 ♪ Oh, c'mon on home ♪ 917 00:53:03,889 --> 00:53:07,267 The plan was for John Lee Hooker to sing a song 918 00:53:07,351 --> 00:53:09,144 and for Muddy to sing a song. 919 00:53:09,269 --> 00:53:11,814 Uh, the day that came to shoot Maxwell Street, 920 00:53:11,897 --> 00:53:13,941 Muddy was sick, he got the flu. 921 00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:15,776 So we went ahead without Muddy 922 00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:18,362 and that's why John Lee is by himself there 923 00:53:18,445 --> 00:53:19,780 backed up by those guys. 924 00:53:19,863 --> 00:53:21,865 ♪ Why'd you talk like that ♪ 925 00:53:22,783 --> 00:53:24,660 ♪ I can't take it like that ♪ 926 00:53:26,036 --> 00:53:27,871 ♪ How, how, how, how ♪ 927 00:53:28,747 --> 00:53:30,541 ♪ Hey, hey ♪ 928 00:53:30,624 --> 00:53:31,959 ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 929 00:53:32,042 --> 00:53:34,044 These guys were greatly appreciated, 930 00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:36,171 but not by a mass audience, 931 00:53:36,255 --> 00:53:39,758 which basically means they were opening acts and, 932 00:53:39,842 --> 00:53:41,385 and not being booked that much. 933 00:53:41,468 --> 00:53:43,846 So Danny and John did an extraordinary thing, 934 00:53:43,929 --> 00:53:45,931 they exploited their own celebrity 935 00:53:46,014 --> 00:53:48,475 to focus attention 936 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,437 on these amazing, American acts. 937 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,981 [Marc] Although Pinetop and Willie appear in the film 938 00:53:54,064 --> 00:53:57,192 playing a part in yet another significant, cultural moment, 939 00:53:57,276 --> 00:53:59,820 most viewers never even noticed they were there. 940 00:53:59,903 --> 00:54:03,031 Just another day in the life of a sideman. 941 00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:21,675 ♪ One summer day she went away ♪ 942 00:54:24,136 --> 00:54:26,430 ♪ Walked off and left me ♪ 943 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,976 ♪ She gone to stay ♪ 944 00:54:31,059 --> 00:54:33,854 When Wolf was schedule to play in Europe, couldn't make it. 945 00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:35,790 And Hubert, I guess it's like you could just say, 946 00:54:35,814 --> 00:54:37,149 was a, you know, in his stead. 947 00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:56,919 ♪ She went away ♪ 948 00:55:04,343 --> 00:55:06,112 [will] There's a story that's almost mythological 949 00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:08,347 around Wolf wanting to tell Hubert something. 950 00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:24,988 ♪ End up sitting on top of the world ♪ 951 00:55:30,702 --> 00:55:33,247 [Will] What was it that he wanted to tell him? I don't know. 952 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,541 I think we can only speculate about what it was. 953 00:55:35,624 --> 00:55:38,585 I think he wanted to tell him, "I see you as a son." 954 00:55:38,669 --> 00:55:40,462 And I think he, he felt that connection 955 00:55:40,546 --> 00:55:43,173 with, with Hubert, and not to get that, 956 00:55:43,257 --> 00:55:45,384 not to get that payoff if you will, 957 00:55:45,467 --> 00:55:47,803 um, I think it, uh, 958 00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:50,907 it's just one of the many things that I think haunted Hubert throughout his life. 959 00:55:50,931 --> 00:55:53,976 [blues music] 960 00:55:58,230 --> 00:56:00,399 [Marc] By 1983, both Howlin' Wolf 961 00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:02,192 and Muddy Waters had died. 962 00:56:03,193 --> 00:56:04,987 Their passing would mark the end 963 00:56:05,070 --> 00:56:08,282 of two of the most influential careers in music history 964 00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:12,202 and serve as a reminder that with or without the blues, 965 00:56:12,286 --> 00:56:13,829 music was moving on. 966 00:56:14,955 --> 00:56:16,582 ♪ Blues ♪ 967 00:56:17,666 --> 00:56:22,754 Disco, new wave and arena rock were now the reigning kings. 968 00:56:22,838 --> 00:56:26,675 And although these forms owed a great debt to the blues, 969 00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:28,594 not many seemed to care. 970 00:56:29,761 --> 00:56:32,347 It was into this inhospitable environment 971 00:56:32,472 --> 00:56:35,934 that Hubert, Pinetop and Willie were cast 972 00:56:36,018 --> 00:56:39,271 forcing them to reinvent themselves and their careers, 973 00:56:40,147 --> 00:56:42,274 whether they were ready for it or not. 974 00:56:42,357 --> 00:56:45,402 [upbeat blues music] 975 00:56:46,361 --> 00:56:49,406 [light acoustic guitar music] 976 00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:55,162 [will] Wolf's death just absolutely devastated Hubert. 977 00:56:56,580 --> 00:56:59,333 If you didn't really have a father figure 978 00:56:59,416 --> 00:57:01,269 or didn't particularly respect your father figure, 979 00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:04,838 and then this musician came in and taught you the ropes, 980 00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:07,507 loved you, maybe perhaps hated you at times. 981 00:57:07,591 --> 00:57:09,927 But just showed you everything about life, 982 00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:12,220 the good, the bad, all, all these things. 983 00:57:12,304 --> 00:57:15,098 If that goes, I mean, your support system goes. 984 00:57:15,182 --> 00:57:16,516 Your foundation goes. 985 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,119 And I think that that's what he needed. 986 00:57:18,143 --> 00:57:19,895 I think that Hubert needed that foundation 987 00:57:19,978 --> 00:57:22,397 to give him a direction. 988 00:57:22,522 --> 00:57:25,025 I think without him, I think he was truly lost. 989 00:57:25,108 --> 00:57:27,194 [Jim] Hubert lost Howlin' Wolf. 990 00:57:27,277 --> 00:57:28,654 He got divorced. 991 00:57:28,737 --> 00:57:30,030 He lost his house. 992 00:57:30,113 --> 00:57:31,365 So he had nothing. 993 00:57:31,448 --> 00:57:34,117 He had no family, no friends, 994 00:57:35,243 --> 00:57:39,498 no band and, um, he was too famous 995 00:57:39,581 --> 00:57:43,669 to be a sideman and too shy to be a leader. 996 00:57:43,752 --> 00:57:46,046 So he's in a real tough spot. 997 00:58:03,146 --> 00:58:06,441 [Will] It's his attitude towards his own life and his career 998 00:58:06,525 --> 00:58:09,653 and people's perception of him as well, I think that hurt him as well. 999 00:58:09,736 --> 00:58:11,896 That just saw him as another guitar player if you will. 1000 00:58:30,632 --> 00:58:32,352 [Will] Popular music has just had, moved on. 1001 00:58:32,426 --> 00:58:34,261 If you're looking at working, blues musicians, 1002 00:58:34,344 --> 00:58:36,054 I think really you got to look at the '70s 1003 00:58:36,138 --> 00:58:38,557 through the '80s, you know, life was tough. 1004 00:58:48,692 --> 00:58:50,569 ♪ You couldn't believe in me ♪ 1005 00:58:53,155 --> 00:58:56,241 ♪ I did everything you know I could ♪ 1006 00:59:01,496 --> 00:59:04,499 ♪ You couldn't believe in me ♪ 1007 00:59:04,624 --> 00:59:07,794 ♪ 'Cause I did everything people, I could ♪ 1008 00:59:13,633 --> 00:59:16,762 ♪ One day I'm going to do something and ♪ 1009 00:59:16,845 --> 00:59:19,890 ♪ Maybe someday I do something good ♪ 1010 00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,641 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1011 00:59:25,771 --> 00:59:28,690 [Jim] It's very sad that as Hubert peaked, 1012 00:59:28,774 --> 00:59:30,484 Howlin' Wolf faded. 1013 00:59:30,567 --> 00:59:33,737 And, and, you know, those lost years, 1014 00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:37,616 those great, that was when he was great, you know? 1015 00:59:37,699 --> 00:59:39,868 Howlin' Wolf left and Hubert was there 1016 00:59:39,951 --> 00:59:41,536 with all of that talent. 1017 00:59:53,465 --> 00:59:56,968 [Hugh] Hubert was probably 24/7 drunk or as much as he could be. 1018 00:59:57,052 --> 00:59:58,470 I'm sure he was doing blow. 1019 00:59:58,553 --> 01:00:01,932 I mean, he was releasing or performing so rarely, 1020 01:00:02,015 --> 01:00:04,476 I don't think people even realized who he was at the time. 1021 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:08,647 I think he had fallen so far into the hole that he was gone. 1022 01:00:08,730 --> 01:00:11,775 [blues guitar music] 1023 01:00:14,903 --> 01:00:16,696 Pinetop Perkins was living in a low-income 1024 01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:20,575 housing neighborhood in Chicago with part of his family. 1025 01:00:20,659 --> 01:00:22,579 Most of the time that we would send money to him, 1026 01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:24,388 it would get stolen before it would get to him. 1027 01:00:24,412 --> 01:00:26,164 Because he would call us back and tell us 1028 01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:27,666 that this was happening. 1029 01:00:27,749 --> 01:00:29,501 And he was also being physically abused, 1030 01:00:29,584 --> 01:00:32,129 and, uh, just a lot of horrible stuff going on. 1031 01:00:32,212 --> 01:00:34,256 He had been arrested for drinking and driving 1032 01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:36,466 once at least, and he was put into jail 1033 01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:38,885 and he was on work release for a while. 1034 01:00:38,969 --> 01:00:41,888 I don't think people realized because Pine was still playing, 1035 01:00:41,972 --> 01:00:43,765 and he was still getting to gigs. 1036 01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:46,017 He wasn't doing well, he was drinking and looking bad 1037 01:00:46,101 --> 01:00:47,861 on stage and stuff, but he was getting there. 1038 01:01:25,557 --> 01:01:28,560 [piano music] 1039 01:01:42,073 --> 01:01:43,658 [laughing] 1040 01:01:58,298 --> 01:02:00,425 Couldn't believe nobody else wanted these guys. 1041 01:02:00,508 --> 01:02:03,428 That just blew my mind that they were sitting in poverty 1042 01:02:03,511 --> 01:02:06,181 and getting beat up and treated like garbage 1043 01:02:06,264 --> 01:02:07,557 and nobody cared. 1044 01:02:07,641 --> 01:02:08,784 I mean, the moment they called me, 1045 01:02:08,808 --> 01:02:09,893 I was like, "Yes." 1046 01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:13,021 [upbeat rock music] 1047 01:02:16,358 --> 01:02:18,443 ♪ If I had to follow ♪ 1048 01:02:20,153 --> 01:02:23,198 ♪ My second mind ♪ 1049 01:02:23,281 --> 01:02:25,909 [Marc] Throughout the '90s and into the new millennium, 1050 01:02:25,992 --> 01:02:28,203 a blues resurgence would push the music 1051 01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:29,788 to the forefront of popular culture. 1052 01:02:29,871 --> 01:02:31,706 ♪ John the Revelator ♪ 1053 01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:33,959 ♪ He's a smooth operator ♪ 1054 01:02:34,042 --> 01:02:36,378 ♪ Time we got him down inside ♪ 1055 01:02:36,461 --> 01:02:38,004 Blues music would once again 1056 01:02:38,088 --> 01:02:40,590 serve as a prime source of inspiration 1057 01:02:40,674 --> 01:02:42,550 for a whole new generation of artists. 1058 01:02:42,634 --> 01:02:45,053 ♪ It's true ♪ 1059 01:02:45,136 --> 01:02:47,764 ♪ Baby I'm howlin' for you ♪ 1060 01:02:48,932 --> 01:02:52,686 [Hugh] '78 to '90, that was a period of bad, bad, bad music. 1061 01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:55,188 When that period died, 1062 01:02:55,272 --> 01:02:57,041 I think the people were ready to hear good music. 1063 01:02:57,065 --> 01:02:58,668 So it was really good timing for all of us 1064 01:02:58,692 --> 01:02:59,835 because when they were ready to come back, 1065 01:02:59,859 --> 01:03:01,444 people were ready to hear them. 1066 01:03:01,528 --> 01:03:03,238 [upbeat blues music] 1067 01:03:03,321 --> 01:03:04,590 [Marc] But it wasn't only musicians 1068 01:03:04,614 --> 01:03:06,366 that were drawn to the blues. 1069 01:03:06,449 --> 01:03:09,286 When Madison Avenue needed just the right sound 1070 01:03:09,369 --> 01:03:12,455 to suggest raw passion and gritty sexuality, 1071 01:03:12,539 --> 01:03:15,667 the song "Smokestack Lightning” featuring Hubert's iconic, 1072 01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:18,378 guitar riff and Howlin' Wolf's primordial wail 1073 01:03:19,296 --> 01:03:22,173 helped to sell a whole new form of inspiration. 1074 01:03:22,257 --> 01:03:23,925 [announcer] So why would you let something 1075 01:03:24,009 --> 01:03:26,886 like erectile dysfunction get in your way? 1076 01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:29,639 Isn't it time you talked to your doctor about Viagra? 1077 01:03:29,723 --> 01:03:31,641 [Marc] This renewed appreciation 1078 01:03:31,725 --> 01:03:33,435 for genuine, American roots music 1079 01:03:33,518 --> 01:03:35,270 brought with it a renewed interest 1080 01:03:35,353 --> 01:03:37,856 in the few remaining, authentic blues musicians. 1081 01:03:44,487 --> 01:03:46,281 [laughing] 1082 01:03:58,501 --> 01:04:00,545 [woman] We'll just stay for a couple hours 1083 01:04:00,628 --> 01:04:03,381 if you don't want to stay through the whole thing, okay? 1084 01:04:03,465 --> 01:04:05,967 - [Pinetop] All right. - [woman] I think you'll be fine. 1085 01:04:06,051 --> 01:04:07,969 Let me see, let me look at you. 1086 01:04:08,053 --> 01:04:09,554 [Pinetop] All right. 1087 01:04:09,637 --> 01:04:12,223 - [woman] Look, look up. - [Pinetop laughing] 1088 01:04:12,307 --> 01:04:16,603 - Hey, boy. - Hey, boy, how are you doing? 1089 01:04:16,686 --> 01:04:18,146 Alright. 1090 01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:23,693 [laughing] 1091 01:04:23,777 --> 01:04:26,071 [woman] We get to the red carpet unless we get lost. 1092 01:04:30,492 --> 01:04:32,535 [man indistinct] ..L.A. live. 1093 01:04:32,619 --> 01:04:34,347 [announcer] For best, traditional, blues album, 1094 01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:38,500 the nominees are James Cotton, Cyndi Lauper, 1095 01:04:38,583 --> 01:04:41,169 Charlie Musselwhite, Pinetop Perkins 1096 01:04:41,252 --> 01:04:42,837 and Willie "Big Eyes" ” Smith. 1097 01:04:42,921 --> 01:04:45,048 - [man] Yeah! - [announcer] Jimmie Vaughan. 1098 01:04:45,131 --> 01:04:47,592 And the Grammy goes to Joined At The Hip, 1099 01:04:47,675 --> 01:04:52,013 Pinetop Perkins and Willie "Big Eyes" Smith. 1100 01:04:52,097 --> 01:04:54,682 I think I was more impatient than he was. 1101 01:04:54,766 --> 01:04:58,686 So when they did call his name to, to come up, 1102 01:04:58,770 --> 01:05:00,355 he still was sitting there 1103 01:05:00,438 --> 01:05:01,856 and I'm jumping all over the place, 1104 01:05:01,940 --> 01:05:03,417 jumping up and down, jumping up saying, 1105 01:05:03,441 --> 01:05:04,441 "You won, you won." 1106 01:05:04,484 --> 01:05:05,318 And finally I shook him, 1107 01:05:05,402 --> 01:05:06,319 I said, "You won." 1108 01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:09,447 [upbeat blues music] 1109 01:05:11,950 --> 01:05:15,328 [crowd cheering] 1110 01:05:15,412 --> 01:05:18,998 Whoo! Whoo! Thank you, thank you. 1111 01:05:19,082 --> 01:05:21,209 First of all... [chuckles] 1112 01:05:21,292 --> 01:05:23,896 I'm a little nervous now, I had so much to say when I got up here 1113 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,713 and I'm a little bit emotional, I'm so glad, 1114 01:05:25,797 --> 01:05:28,508 I didn't ever thought my heart would be this full. 1115 01:05:28,591 --> 01:05:30,260 But I'm, uh, I want to give, 1116 01:05:30,343 --> 01:05:33,304 first of all, all the thanks go out to God Almighty. 1117 01:05:33,388 --> 01:05:34,722 That's who did this. 1118 01:05:34,806 --> 01:05:36,158 That's were the first thanks go to. 1119 01:05:36,182 --> 01:05:38,268 The next thanks go to my wife, 1120 01:05:38,351 --> 01:05:40,311 that stood up with me, stood behind me 1121 01:05:40,395 --> 01:05:43,231 through all these triumphs and fails, we're here. 1122 01:05:43,314 --> 01:05:46,067 To win it with one of his greatest friends 1123 01:05:46,151 --> 01:05:49,195 and one of the greatest, top musicians. 1124 01:05:49,279 --> 01:05:52,490 So that made it even more important to him. 1125 01:05:52,574 --> 01:05:54,200 Thanks to all of the people 1126 01:05:54,284 --> 01:05:55,910 that had something to do with this. 1127 01:05:55,994 --> 01:05:58,079 I'm a little emotion... Thank you. 1128 01:05:58,163 --> 01:05:59,622 [woman] Whoo. 1129 01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:04,210 At this point, it must have had, 1130 01:06:04,294 --> 01:06:06,880 I hadn't, just to put it in perspective, 1131 01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:08,465 about 53 years. 1132 01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:11,216 First one. 1133 01:06:12,385 --> 01:06:14,387 Well, what can I say? 1134 01:06:14,471 --> 01:06:17,265 It's better late than never. [chuckles] 1135 01:06:17,348 --> 01:06:19,058 That's five decades, man. 1136 01:06:19,142 --> 01:06:21,394 That's a half of a century that he put into it 1137 01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:23,563 and, to finally... 1138 01:06:24,856 --> 01:06:26,983 get the recognition, I guess. 1139 01:06:27,901 --> 01:06:30,403 And it was more of a... 1140 01:06:30,487 --> 01:06:33,823 I hate to use the word, more of, uh... 1141 01:06:33,907 --> 01:06:35,325 a relief. 1142 01:06:35,408 --> 01:06:37,952 Like, "Yes, now the world finally knows 1143 01:06:38,036 --> 01:06:39,638 what you've been through, they know your story." 1144 01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:42,707 [crowd cheering] 1145 01:06:52,091 --> 01:06:53,134 [laughing] 1146 01:06:55,553 --> 01:06:57,931 [audience laughing] 1147 01:06:58,014 --> 01:07:01,059 [upbeat blues music] 1148 01:07:06,064 --> 01:07:09,859 ♪ Got my mojo workin' ♪ 1149 01:07:09,943 --> 01:07:12,320 ♪ Got my mojo workin' ♪ 1150 01:07:12,403 --> 01:07:13,947 [vocalizing] 1151 01:07:20,954 --> 01:07:23,957 [upbeat blues music] 1152 01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:36,594 [Pretty] Being able to play in the '70s and '80s, 1153 01:07:37,637 --> 01:07:41,808 you have very few folks 1154 01:07:41,891 --> 01:07:44,185 who make it that far 1155 01:07:44,269 --> 01:07:47,313 and who can stay in the music business. 1156 01:07:47,397 --> 01:07:50,441 [upbeat blues music] 1157 01:08:15,717 --> 01:08:18,720 [audience applauding] 1158 01:08:18,803 --> 01:08:21,306 Legendary bluesman and Austin resident 1159 01:08:21,389 --> 01:08:23,057 Pinetop Perkins has died. 1160 01:08:23,141 --> 01:08:25,143 Tributes for legendary, blues pianist, 1161 01:08:25,226 --> 01:08:27,270 Pinetop Perkins, following his death. 1162 01:08:27,353 --> 01:08:29,981 He's being fondly remembered as one of the last, 1163 01:08:30,064 --> 01:08:32,191 great, Mississippi bluesman. 1164 01:08:32,275 --> 01:08:34,115 [reporter] Just last month, Joe Willie Perkins, 1165 01:08:34,193 --> 01:08:38,031 nicknamed Pinetop, became the oldest, Grammy winner ever. 1166 01:08:39,324 --> 01:08:42,160 March 2011 to March 2012 1167 01:08:42,243 --> 01:08:44,829 was the biggest transition my life will ever have. 1168 01:08:44,912 --> 01:08:47,957 [gentle music] 1169 01:08:50,168 --> 01:08:52,354 [Hugh] The last time I saw Pinetop, he was holding a Grammy 1170 01:08:52,378 --> 01:08:53,378 at the Grammy Awards. 1171 01:08:53,421 --> 01:08:55,006 It was, like, perfect. 1172 01:08:55,089 --> 01:08:56,689 He always talked to me about that trophy, 1173 01:08:56,716 --> 01:08:57,818 and the trophy was the Grammy. 1174 01:08:57,842 --> 01:08:59,010 He got his trophy, 1175 01:08:59,093 --> 01:09:02,221 went back to Austin a hero. 1176 01:09:02,305 --> 01:09:03,931 Went to bed and died. 1177 01:09:04,015 --> 01:09:06,851 I mean, at 97, that's not a bad way to go. 1178 01:09:21,449 --> 01:09:23,910 [Kenny] He's one of the nicest, most wonderful people 1179 01:09:23,993 --> 01:09:25,679 that you would ever meet in your entire life. 1180 01:09:25,703 --> 01:09:27,914 He's the kind of guy that I want to be, you know? 1181 01:09:27,997 --> 01:09:30,416 Both musically and personally. 1182 01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:31,918 He, he was just a, 1183 01:09:32,001 --> 01:09:34,337 an extraordinary example of a human being. 1184 01:09:45,264 --> 01:09:50,561 When I feel sad, I, I try to think about Willie's laugh. 1185 01:09:54,107 --> 01:09:57,276 I think about some of the silly things that he did 1186 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,113 and that push the sadness away. 1187 01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:10,164 [Marc] In 2011, Pinetop, Hubert and Willie 1188 01:10:10,248 --> 01:10:14,293 all passed away within eight months of each other. 1189 01:10:14,377 --> 01:10:16,421 [Javik] I was still coping with the Pine thing, 1190 01:10:16,504 --> 01:10:18,381 and then Dad passed. 1191 01:10:18,464 --> 01:10:20,133 I tried to block that out. 1192 01:10:20,216 --> 01:10:21,926 Then Hubert passed, 1193 01:10:22,009 --> 01:10:24,887 which was literally just a couple months after Willie. 1194 01:10:24,971 --> 01:10:26,764 It was just like a domino effect, man. 1195 01:10:26,848 --> 01:10:29,434 It was just like, oh, man, can I buy a break. 1196 01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:32,854 Those three guys, man. 1197 01:10:32,937 --> 01:10:34,939 It was a reason, a lesson and a story 1198 01:10:35,022 --> 01:10:36,441 behind their passing, man. 1199 01:10:36,524 --> 01:10:37,751 That's just, that's just how I had to keep 1200 01:10:37,775 --> 01:10:39,068 thinking and believing. 1201 01:10:46,242 --> 01:10:48,786 Still searching for those answers, you know? 1202 01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:51,348 They're going to let me know one day. 1203 01:10:51,372 --> 01:10:52,749 [chuckling] One day. 1204 01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:03,593 [Willie] I woke up with the blues and keeping the blues alive. 1205 01:11:03,676 --> 01:11:05,928 You know, so that's it, that's all we can do, 1206 01:11:06,012 --> 01:11:08,222 is try to keep the blues alive. 1207 01:11:08,347 --> 01:11:11,100 As long as you can do that, they'll never die. 1208 01:11:12,059 --> 01:11:15,438 You got to think about the younger generations, you know? 1209 01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:17,982 That's what, that's, that's what all those changes come from. 1210 01:11:18,065 --> 01:11:19,776 If, if it were left up to you and me, 1211 01:11:19,859 --> 01:11:21,652 things would never change. 1212 01:11:21,736 --> 01:11:22,779 When I play music, 1213 01:11:23,863 --> 01:11:25,656 it's like nothing else matters. 1214 01:11:26,532 --> 01:11:27,909 It's, it's... 1215 01:11:29,744 --> 01:11:34,248 it's like an escape from reality for a second, 1216 01:11:34,373 --> 01:11:36,167 you know, when you're solo, 1217 01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:38,002 and you're, like, in the moment. 1218 01:11:38,085 --> 01:11:39,587 It's just you, 1219 01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:40,910 and your guitar and your music, 1220 01:11:40,963 --> 01:11:42,256 and that's all that matters. 1221 01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:45,384 [crickets chirping] 1222 01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:55,686 [car humming] 1223 01:11:55,770 --> 01:11:58,815 [upbeat blues guitar music] 1224 01:12:22,797 --> 01:12:25,800 [Austin] I never met Pinetop or Hubert or Willie 1225 01:12:25,883 --> 01:12:27,635 but just listening to those guys, 1226 01:12:27,718 --> 01:12:29,303 you almost feel like you meet them, 1227 01:12:29,428 --> 01:12:30,572 through listening to them and, 1228 01:12:30,596 --> 01:12:32,306 and listening to their playing. 1229 01:12:32,431 --> 01:12:35,977 You almost get that connection through their playing and, 1230 01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:39,188 I, I really don't know what the blues world 1231 01:12:39,272 --> 01:12:41,190 or the music world, in general, 1232 01:12:41,274 --> 01:12:42,692 would be without those guys. 1233 01:12:43,609 --> 01:12:46,070 They were the sons of the blues, 1234 01:12:46,153 --> 01:12:48,322 and they were the fathers of rock and roll. 1235 01:12:48,447 --> 01:12:51,409 [harmonica music] 1236 01:12:51,492 --> 01:12:53,327 That chord is what keeps coolest. 1237 01:12:53,452 --> 01:12:56,789 [Gary] It was Pinetop's vision to perpetuate the music 1238 01:12:56,873 --> 01:13:00,334 to carry on the tradition of the blues 1239 01:13:00,418 --> 01:13:03,629 in that location right there in Clarksdale, Mississippi. 1240 01:13:03,713 --> 01:13:07,008 Part of Pinetop's vision was he wanted to keep 1241 01:13:07,091 --> 01:13:09,510 musicians like himself alive 1242 01:13:09,594 --> 01:13:11,804 playing music in, into the future. 1243 01:13:11,888 --> 01:13:13,848 It displays the music 1244 01:13:13,931 --> 01:13:16,601 as a viable means to make a livelihood. 1245 01:13:16,684 --> 01:13:19,353 I can't imagine my life without the blues 1246 01:13:19,437 --> 01:13:23,024 and the guitar and, I would be, I'd be just a normal kid. 1247 01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:25,943 I'd be that kid, you know, that would want to stay in the house 1248 01:13:26,027 --> 01:13:28,070 and play video games all day. 1249 01:13:28,154 --> 01:13:30,754 That kid that just really don't have nothing going for themselves. 1250 01:13:33,367 --> 01:13:36,245 Um, I was in my dad's truck one day 1251 01:13:36,329 --> 01:13:40,374 and he put on the blues station and I liked it. So... I started learning it. 1252 01:13:40,499 --> 01:13:42,376 [Joe] Some of them are the next 1253 01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:44,045 generation, they're going to be 1254 01:13:44,128 --> 01:13:45,689 the ones that you hear, you'll hear their names. 1255 01:13:45,713 --> 01:13:46,714 No doubt about it. 1256 01:13:46,797 --> 01:13:47,798 Yeah. 1257 01:13:47,882 --> 01:13:50,927 [upbeat blues guitar music] 1258 01:14:26,796 --> 01:14:30,675 [Willie] And I would like to be remembered for who I am. 1259 01:14:30,758 --> 01:14:33,678 To me, a musician, you know? Not, not good and not bad. 1260 01:14:33,761 --> 01:14:36,013 I don't want to be remembered for, "Oh, he was great.” 1261 01:14:36,097 --> 01:14:38,808 Or "He was this." No, I just want to be remembered for who I am. 1262 01:14:39,684 --> 01:14:42,228 Plain, old, Willie Smith. 1263 01:14:42,311 --> 01:14:43,813 [laughs] 1264 01:14:43,896 --> 01:14:46,899 [upbeat blues guitar music] 1265 01:14:48,693 --> 01:14:49,777 You got it. 1266 01:15:52,965 --> 01:15:56,135 ♪ How can you forget ♪ 1267 01:15:58,721 --> 01:16:02,892 ♪ For long you've been mistreated ♪ 1268 01:16:03,768 --> 01:16:05,978 ♪ When you spend your life working ♪ 1269 01:16:06,062 --> 01:16:09,273 ♪ Your fingers to the bone ♪ 1270 01:16:10,524 --> 01:16:14,862 ♪ On a Mississippi cotton field ♪ 1271 01:16:14,945 --> 01:16:18,824 ♪ Or in a Chicago speakeasy ♪ 1272 01:16:18,908 --> 01:16:22,703 ♪ Behind a microphone ♪ 1273 01:16:23,746 --> 01:16:28,918 ♪ Not everyone know your name ♪ 1274 01:16:29,001 --> 01:16:34,507 ♪ A lot of joy but still that crushing pain ♪ 1275 01:16:38,636 --> 01:16:44,100 ♪ Well, everyone calls on you to play the blues ♪ 1276 01:16:48,521 --> 01:16:52,566 ♪ You're just another shade of gray ♪ 1277 01:16:55,069 --> 01:17:01,659 ♪ With very little to show and a lot more to lose ♪ 1278 01:17:11,377 --> 01:17:17,383 ♪ Long, long, long long, long, long ♪ 1279 01:17:17,466 --> 01:17:23,764 ♪ Long, long, long long road to glory ♪ 1280 01:17:23,848 --> 01:17:27,143 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1281 01:17:27,226 --> 01:17:30,604 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1282 01:17:30,729 --> 01:17:34,024 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1283 01:17:34,108 --> 01:17:37,236 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1284 01:17:58,549 --> 01:18:01,468 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1285 01:18:01,552 --> 01:18:04,597 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1286 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,975 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1287 01:18:08,058 --> 01:18:11,395 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1288 01:18:11,478 --> 01:18:14,607 ♪ Long road to glory ♪ 1289 01:18:48,432 --> 01:18:51,560 [upbeat piano music] 1290 01:19:03,989 --> 01:19:04,990 [footsteps receding] 93720

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