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Shall we do a mic test, Bill?
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Well, I'll just talk
about that loud, don't I?
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Not much louder.
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It looks like it's got
quite a good level there.
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Bouncin' about.
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Yep.
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Here we go.
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Play simple.
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You're leavin' space and holes
for people to fill in.
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Not to get in the way.
Not to be really noticed.
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'Cause if you did
the right thing
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you don't get noticed.
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And that's the way I play.
Very simple.
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I am Charlie Watts.
I am the drummer.
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I'm Brian Jones, the guitarist
and harmonica player.
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Keith Richards, guitar.
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Mick Jagger, s..
I sing...songs.
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Bill Wyman.
I play bass...guitar.
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♪ I see a red door ♪
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♪ And I want it painted black ♪
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♪ No colors anymore ♪
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♪ I want them to turn black ♪
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♪ I see the girls walk by ♪
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♪ Dressed
in their summer clothes ♪
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♪ I have to turn my head ♪
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♪ Until my darkness goes ♪
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♪ I see a line of cars ♪
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♪ And they're all
painted black ♪
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♪ With flowers and my love ♪
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♪ Both never to come back ♪
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♪ I see people
turn their heads ♪
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♪ And quickly look away ♪
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♪ Like a newborn baby ♪
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♪ It just happens every day ♪
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♪ I look inside myself ♪
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♪ And see my heart is black ♪
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♪ I see my red door ♪
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♪ I must have it
painted black ♪
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♪ Maybe then I'll fade away ♪
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♪ And not have to face
the facts ♪
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♪ It's not easy facin' up ♪
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♪ When your whole world
is black ♪
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♪ No more will my green sea ♪
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♪ Go turn a deeper blue ♪
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♪ I could not foresee
this thing ♪
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♪ Happening to you ♪
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You've always been
the silent Stone.
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That's been the-- the image.
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The great Stone Face, I know.
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♪ My love will laugh with me ♪
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♪ Before the mornin' comes ♪♪
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People always ask me
why I collected things
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and why I built an archive
like I did and still do.
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This is my little capsule
of my life in here.
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I suppose if you looked
at my bookshelves
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you would sort of
understand me better.
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I always thought it was
important to keep a record
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of what was going on.
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I've -- I've always
kept records
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or information of things
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since I was a-- a little boy
in the war.
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I remember standing out
in the streets
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with all the local families
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and watching the formations
of German bombers going over.
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It was just droning.
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Just this sound.
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There was
a German fighter bomber
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roaring up the street
towards us firing his guns.
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As it passed,
I ran down the street
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to where my grandmother
was waiting for me.
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She grabbed me
and we ran to go down
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the back of the stairs
to the air raid shelter.
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And then the silence.
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You go back to the school,
and there were two little girls
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who was in our class,
they weren't there anymore.
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They got killed.
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We go to that bomb site
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where there used to be
about 16 houses
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and find toys
and children's books
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and then we'd get chased off
by the air raid men.
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My grandmother
was like my mother.
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I mean,
she taught me everything.
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She was wonderful.
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She started me
collectin' things.
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All kinds of treasured
little things.
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I was collectin' stuff
and I made a scrapbook.
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And then I had to make
another scrapbook
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and another scrapbook.
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Then I have to get a trunk.
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And it just kept goin'
on and on.
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Whenever I came into contact
with anything
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that I could claim was mine,
I kept it.
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Throw it in the room here.
Throw it in the room.
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I always wanted to be
a musician.
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I always wanted to be
in a band.
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And I know it was so impossible
and so unlikely
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um, that I would be
that I just dismissed it
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completely from my mind.
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And, um, suddenly last year..
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...I -- I re -- remembered,
you know, after all that time.
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I suddenly remembered
that I'd always wanted to be
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and now I was, you know.
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It didn't mean a thing
to me anymore.
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It was a big,
it was such a big ambition.
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It was-- it was unobtainable
when I was little.
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I was coming from one
of the worst streets in Penge.
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It was like gang warfare
in those days.
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Most of the boys
in Blenheim Road
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ended up in borstals or prisons
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and a lot of them went bad.
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I was really quite ahead
of everybody
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because of what my gran
was teaching me.
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She did whatever she could
to bring me up.
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My mom and my dad
were not that kind of people.
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There was a emptiness,
a blankness in 'em.
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All that working-class stuff
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that children should be seen
and not heard.
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You felt pushed aside
all the time.
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I never really felt
like I had a home, you know.
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I really didn't.
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I went to a grammar school,
which was something special
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you know, in those days,
um, coming from a slum street.
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I was accused
of trying to be snobby
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by my mates in the street
and also by my dad.
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He always tried to insist
that I was working class
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and I should never
try to change
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because that's what I was.
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My dad pulled me out of school
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and the headmaster
wrote a letter to him.
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I've got it.
I've got the letter.
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And not only did he
pull me out of school
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he did the worst thing
possible.
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Put me to work
in a bettin' shop.
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He said,
"You're gonna contribute
to payin' for the house."
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Because he was a bricklayer,
and if he had bad weather
in the winter
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he couldn't work.
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I returned to live
with my grandmother
a number of times
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because I just couldn't get on
with my dad at all.
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I realized I was on me own.
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Once my grandmother died
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being loved kind of vanished,
really.
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She died when I was away
and I just never..
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...paid her back, really
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for all the love and affection
she gave me
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and I feel guilty about it.
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When I was born, she picked me
up in-- in her arms
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and said, "This boy's
gonna be world-famous."
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And everybody laughed
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including my mom, my dad,
my relatives.
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They all thought
it was like a big joke.
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Yeah.
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♪ I wanna tell you
how it's gonna be ♪
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♪ You're gonna give
your love to me ♪♪
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Give it up
for the Rolling Stones.
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♪ It sounds so sweet ♪
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The audience just stood
and sort of stared at us
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because we didn't have
no uniforms
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we didn't have
any matching guitars
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and we played
this blues and R&B
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which was alien to them.
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And then this crowd goes
fucking apeshit.
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♪ Going round and round ♪
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♪ Yeah reelin' and a rockin' ♪
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♪ What a crazy sound ♪
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♪ And they never
stopped rockin' ♪
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♪ Till the moon went down ♪♪
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We were just so different
from any other band.
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We played different music
to them.
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We played in a different way.
We played it better than them.
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Keith had all the licks off.
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And then you got Mick up front
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who's just all over
the bloody stage
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with the maracas and
the tambourine and all that.
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The greatest front man
there's ever been.
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It was a special band
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and we could blow
anyone off the stage
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no matter who it was.
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Bill had
a very individual style
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that wasn't particularly
hip or cool
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but he was his own person.
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He had a tremendous presence
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but he didn't impose
himself on you.
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Stone Face,
I think people called him
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or referred to him
as Stone Face.
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He was rake thin
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and when he smiled,
which wasn't that frequently
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his whole face lit up
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in a sort of great crease
of a smile.
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And he always had an air
of world-weariness.
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I remember seeing Bill
when we first rehearsed
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up the road in a pub.
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You know, he'd had a different
sort of upbringing.
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He's locked into an era
that was before us, really.
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So when we got on the road
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I think it was like liberation
for him.
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I went into the military
in '55.
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Thank God I got the strength
when I was in the military
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to be able to stand up
for myself
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and fight for my beliefs.
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Before that, I couldn't.
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I was posted to Germany.
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When I got there,
I met this great guy
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who was a genius footballer.
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His name was Gordon Lee Wyman.
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He was bit of a rebel.
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All his clothes were scruffy.
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And I kind of really
liked him for that
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because we all had to dress
tidy and neat
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otherwise we got a bollocking.
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But he seemed to
get away with it.
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He used to be
in the refuelin' trucks
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and he'd open the top
when it was being refueled.
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He'd be smokin' a cigarette
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and he'd just throw
the cigarette in the fuel.
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He did insane things.
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When he finished his fag,
he just dropped it in there.
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He was like the first person
I kind of idolized
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if you like.
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He did things his way,
and I related to all that.
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At the beginning of the Stones,
I decided to change my name
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because I'd never liked
my name.
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I officially changed my name
in '64 to Bill Wyman.
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I felt such a relief
havin' a different name
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and it just took a cloud
off my head.
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My dad hated me for it.
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He thought I was trying
to get away from my roots
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which I kind of was in a way.
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I mean,
it just changed my life.
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I bought a fleck jacket
just to be different, really.
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I'd have a Tony Curtis haircut
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hanging down the center there,
you know, a curly bit.
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People used to stare at me
in the street
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and I was proud of that.
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I was being an odd one out.
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At the barracks, the guys in
our room all clubbed together.
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We bought a radio in town,
in Oldenburg, for our room
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and at last we were able
to listen to whatever we wanted
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mostly through
American Forces Radio, AFN.
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We'd wake up at 5:30
in the morning
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and listen
to "Stickbuddy Jamboree"
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this fantastic country program.
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A very big, big, happy howdy
to you out there,
friends and neighbors.
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This is your old country buddy
Wagon Wheel Willie
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comin' at you
on "Stickbuddy Jamboree."
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Sit back and relax
and enjoy 25 minutes
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of good country
and western recorded music.
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Then, of course,
shortly after that
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we heard the beginnings
of rock and roll.
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♪ Train I ride ♪
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I could go
to the American PSI shops
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and buy the first
little 45 records.
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♪ Train I ride ♪♪
253
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It was just like
brand-new music.
254
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It just blew me away.
255
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And I had to be involved in it.
256
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I had to.
257
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I went straight down
into the Oldenburg town
258
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and I bought
my first acoustic guitar.
259
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When I came out of
the military on leave
260
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I went to the cinema,
the, uh, Regal Cinema
261
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in Beckenham
with a couple of friends
262
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and we saw this film
called "Rock, Rock, Rock!"
263
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About halfway through,
I saw this trio
264
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called Johnny Burnette
Trio who did this..
265
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♪ Lonesome train ♪
266
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...on a lonesome track.
267
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♪ Tum tum lonesome train ♪
268
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A bit like early Elvis.
269
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♪ I'm coming back ♪♪
270
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With all this, you know
271
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his mouth a bit twisted
272
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like Elvis and all that.
273
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I thought,
"Oh, they're great," you know.
274
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About ten minutes
further into the film
275
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there's this black guy
with a little mustache
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in a white suit
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with a little
Gibson Les Paul guitar.
278
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♪ Do do do la da da
do do da la da da da ♪♪
279
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Chuck Berry.
280
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And that just blew my mind.
281
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My hair went on the back
of my neck.
282
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I thought, "Fuckin' hell."
It just blew me away.
283
00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,169
This guy was doin'
the duck walk across the stage
284
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and shakin' his legs
and shudderin'.
285
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And the audience are laughing.
286
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They thought it was
a comedy show or something.
287
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And I'm sitting there thinking
288
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"This is the most
incredible thing
289
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that's ever happened to me."
290
00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,722
It was then that I thought
291
00:18:59,722 --> 00:19:01,557
"Well, I've got
to form a band."
292
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♪ Get too close
you know I'm gone ♪
293
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♪ Like a cool breeze ♪
294
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I'm out of the military
295
00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:11,151
and that's when the Cliftons
came into existence.
296
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♪ Wee wee hours ♪
297
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We used to sit in my kitchen
with a little tape recorder
298
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and just learn
all these basic songs.
299
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♪ Here come a flat-top
he was moving up with me ♪♪
300
00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:23,579
We used to play
all the hits of the day.
301
00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:25,999
Um, for that,
we used to get a pound each
302
00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,008
and a sandwich and a beer.
303
00:19:35,008 --> 00:19:37,093
How long did it take you
to learn to play?
304
00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:38,635
It was about --
305
00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:41,181
Now give him a chance, please.
306
00:19:41,181 --> 00:19:42,598
You can ask these questions,
everybody sends
307
00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:44,183
somebody else up.
No one wants to say anything.
308
00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:47,394
I just messed about
with a guitar at home.
309
00:19:47,394 --> 00:19:50,690
About three years ago.
Three and a half years ago.
310
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And eventually formed a group
311
00:19:53,902 --> 00:19:56,029
and I had to play bass 'cause
nobody else did, did they?
312
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:58,280
- And then I --
- Why do you play bass?
313
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Nobody else did.
314
00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:00,866
Yeah, because
there's more guitarists
315
00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:02,868
and less bass players.
316
00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:06,205
I went to my sister's house
for the weekend
317
00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:08,333
and we went to a dance.
318
00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:09,792
And I heard the bass.
319
00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:15,549
I heard the real bass guitar
for the first time.
320
00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:21,471
The low sound just filled you
up right down there, you know
321
00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:23,722
when everybody else
was playing up high.
322
00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:25,017
And I thought,
"God, that's what's missing
323
00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:27,396
in the Cliftons."
324
00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:32,481
And I asked them all. I said,
"Steve, you wanna play bass?"
325
00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,902
"No." "Cliff, do you
wanna play bass?" "No."
326
00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,160
Fucking hell, I suppose
I better do it then.
327
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,452
He didn't have a bass guitar
328
00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:47,079
because he couldn't afford
to buy one.
329
00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,125
What he did was detune
two or three of the top strings
330
00:20:50,125 --> 00:20:52,251
of an ordinary six-string
and he made..
331
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,128
What he made of it
was brilliant, you know.
332
00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:55,838
And I think we may have
all clubbed together
333
00:20:55,838 --> 00:20:58,090
to buy the bass guitar.
334
00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,759
We bought it and it was
the most ugly, horrible thing.
335
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:04,556
I turned this bass over,
got some chalk
336
00:21:04,556 --> 00:21:06,432
and redrew the body.
337
00:21:06,432 --> 00:21:08,268
And I went down the road
to my friend
338
00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:10,103
who had a fret work machine.
339
00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:11,438
I said, "I want you
to cut all this out."
340
00:21:11,438 --> 00:21:13,064
He went, "Are you serious?"
341
00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:14,732
I said "Yes, cut it out."
342
00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:18,611
Took it home,
put all new electrics in it.
343
00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:23,575
I put another pickup in,
a Baldwin pickup.
344
00:21:23,575 --> 00:21:27,077
Stripped it all down,
took all the frets out.
345
00:21:27,077 --> 00:21:30,539
Then I had to buy new strings,
these framer strings
346
00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:32,085
which were really
springy and soft.
347
00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:36,086
And I bought this amplifier.
348
00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:37,630
The fucking thing,
every time I touched it
349
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,089
I'd get electrocuted
350
00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:40,633
because it didn't have
an earth or anything.
351
00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:41,843
I'd just go, "Ah!"
352
00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:44,471
I bought
an 18-inch Goodman speaker
353
00:21:44,471 --> 00:21:46,263
the biggest speaker there was.
354
00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:49,893
And when I played this bass,
Jesus, the sound.
355
00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:54,689
I mean, it was amazing.
356
00:21:54,689 --> 00:21:57,237
Without knowing it,
I invented the fretless bass.
357
00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:14,875
I heard "Green Onions"
by Booker T & the MG's.
358
00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,795
♪ Boom doom pa doom doom ♪
359
00:22:16,795 --> 00:22:19,338
♪ Doom doom pa doom
pa doom doom ♪♪
360
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,257
And I thought,
"That bass is great."
361
00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,717
And I started to focus
362
00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:26,554
on trying to play bass
like Duck Dunn.
363
00:22:26,554 --> 00:22:28,890
That's who I learned
my basics from.
364
00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:31,308
The way to play,
to leave space
365
00:22:31,308 --> 00:22:33,310
don't be busy,
don't fill it up.
366
00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:34,688
You're not a fucking
lead guitarist
367
00:22:34,688 --> 00:22:36,146
you're a bass player.
368
00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:38,191
Focus on what
the drummer's doin'
369
00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:41,193
and play exactly
with the drums
370
00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:43,821
so that you've got
a strong foundation there
371
00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:47,075
that's solid, that everybody
else can build upon.
372
00:22:47,075 --> 00:22:51,829
♪ Can you handle it?
Handle it ♪
373
00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:54,124
♪ Can you handle it ♪♪
374
00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:01,423
I'd done gigs
with some of the lesser-known
375
00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:03,090
musicians of the time.
376
00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:04,592
I did have a bit of
experience like that
377
00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:07,595
but it was all rock and roll.
378
00:23:07,595 --> 00:23:09,556
The stuff that we were
all listening to
379
00:23:09,556 --> 00:23:12,392
they weren't many bass players
on any of those records.
380
00:23:12,392 --> 00:23:14,309
And I remember seeing
Bill playing and thinking
381
00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:17,439
"What, a bass player?"
And he looked like a Teddy Boy.
382
00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:19,356
I thought,
"Where's he come from?"
383
00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:21,401
You know, his bass playing
was fantastic.
384
00:23:21,401 --> 00:23:23,444
Really unique.
385
00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:26,448
Forming the Cliftons
was a breath of fresh air.
386
00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:29,701
I'd fallen in love
with playing music.
387
00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,911
We were doing all these gigs
and working hard
388
00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:35,539
but the trouble was
those shite promoters.
389
00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:38,250
They owed us so much money,
they just wouldn't pay us.
390
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,628
And so the bottom started
to fall out of the band.
391
00:23:41,628 --> 00:23:44,590
Tony Chapman answered an ad
392
00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:46,887
for a drummer
with an R&B band.
393
00:23:49,887 --> 00:23:53,182
That night we went back
to Mick's parents' house
394
00:23:53,182 --> 00:23:55,268
and they played Jimmy Reid
and various things
395
00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:56,560
that I'd never heard.
396
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,020
I think they quite liked
the way I played
397
00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:59,271
because I could play
the shuffle beat
398
00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,815
which most people couldn't.
399
00:24:00,815 --> 00:24:03,442
And then that's how I got to
play with the Stones, really.
400
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,987
Tony came to me and said,
"Bass player's left.
401
00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,826
Do you wanna come up
to rehearsal on Friday?"
402
00:24:11,826 --> 00:24:15,288
So I went up with him
and I had my big bass cabinet
403
00:24:15,288 --> 00:24:17,790
in the boot of his car
stickin' out.
404
00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,959
I took my homemade bass
405
00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:22,964
and I went to the
Weatherby Arms in Chelsea.
406
00:24:25,964 --> 00:24:28,676
I went in, and there they were,
Ian Stewart.
407
00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:30,761
He was nice
when I went in there.
408
00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:34,766
Mick was fairly sociable.
409
00:24:36,768 --> 00:24:38,728
And Brian and Keith
just didn't speak to me.
410
00:24:38,728 --> 00:24:41,316
They were up at the bar,
and they were really beatnik-y.
411
00:24:43,316 --> 00:24:44,817
I bought them all
a round of drinks
412
00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:46,277
and then they got
a bit more friendly
413
00:24:46,277 --> 00:24:48,279
and -- and passed
the cigarettes round.
414
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,240
So, then they were sociable,
you know.
415
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,409
They didn't have any money
or anything.
416
00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:54,118
They asked me
what music I liked
417
00:24:54,118 --> 00:24:56,704
and what music I played.
418
00:24:56,704 --> 00:25:00,416
So I said, "Well, Chuck Berry,"
and they went, "Great."
419
00:25:00,416 --> 00:25:02,460
"Jerry Lee Lewis." "No!"
420
00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:04,753
"Eddie Cochrane." "No!"
421
00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:07,548
All the rock and rollers,
they didn't like any of them.
422
00:25:07,548 --> 00:25:10,468
They said, "We're a blues band,
we're not a rock and roll band.
423
00:25:10,468 --> 00:25:11,678
We don't play that shit."
424
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:17,933
They'd already spoken
to Charlie Watts
425
00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:21,855
so they fired Tony,
and Charlie said he'd join.
426
00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:24,523
I kind of slotted in alright.
427
00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:26,151
♪ I said yeah ♪
428
00:25:26,151 --> 00:25:29,194
♪ Yeah yeah yeah Mona ♪
429
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:33,575
♪ Oh Mona ♪
430
00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:34,035
♪ I tell ya Mona
what I wanna do ♪♪
431
00:25:35,035 --> 00:25:36,536
I was a bit
of a rock and roller
432
00:25:36,536 --> 00:25:38,371
more than anything else
433
00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:42,208
and found that they were
playing pure blues.
434
00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,085
♪ Man ♪
435
00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:46,880
I mean,
really slow, slow blues.
436
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,049
♪ You know I didn't enjoy
things that kings and queens ♪♪
437
00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:51,925
You couldn't buy
a bloody blues record
438
00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:53,510
to save your life
in those days.
439
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,681
It was unheard of in England.
440
00:25:56,681 --> 00:25:58,682
I remember saying to them
at that rehearsal
441
00:25:58,682 --> 00:26:01,769
I said, "We can't play 12-bar
blues all fucking night."
442
00:26:01,769 --> 00:26:03,563
Which I was totally wrong about
443
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:06,069
because we ended up
doing exactly that.
444
00:26:10,069 --> 00:26:11,820
Within two months,
we were brilliant
445
00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:13,655
and sounded fantastic.
446
00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:18,452
And in 1963,
we played about 340 shows.
447
00:26:18,452 --> 00:26:21,413
We traveled everywhere
in Stu's van.
448
00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:23,458
He was a fantastic
blues piano player
449
00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:27,461
and he looked after us
on the road for 22 years.
450
00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:29,383
He was like
the sixth Stone, really.
451
00:26:31,383 --> 00:26:33,259
Stu would turn around and say
452
00:26:33,259 --> 00:26:36,512
"Okay, you three-chord wonders,
you're on."
453
00:26:36,512 --> 00:26:38,767
♪ Let's go fishin'
in the crawdad hole ♪
454
00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:42,770
♪ One two three four
five and nine ♪
455
00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:46,230
I couldn't survive working
456
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:48,692
because we started to get gigs
out of London.
457
00:26:48,692 --> 00:26:51,945
♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪
458
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:55,657
♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪
459
00:26:56,657 --> 00:26:59,121
♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪
460
00:27:01,121 --> 00:27:03,000
♪ Hey crawdaddy ♪♪
461
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,251
I told my parents and friends
462
00:27:07,251 --> 00:27:10,547
that I was gonna give up work
and go professional.
463
00:27:10,547 --> 00:27:12,382
Every single person I knew said
464
00:27:12,382 --> 00:27:15,218
"Don't do it.
Don't take the risk."
465
00:27:15,218 --> 00:27:18,308
And I thought,
"Fuck it, I'm gonna do it."
466
00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:25,185
Top British
rhythm and blues group
467
00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:28,480
and the best new group,
the Rolling Stones.
468
00:27:29,941 --> 00:27:31,067
I didn't think of it
469
00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:33,528
as progressin' anywhere
really big.
470
00:27:33,528 --> 00:27:36,448
It was the most excitin' thing
in my life.
471
00:27:36,448 --> 00:27:39,992
The sound we had,
no one compared
472
00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:41,499
with that sound in those days,
no one.
473
00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:48,585
I started to collect
the little bits and pieces
474
00:27:48,585 --> 00:27:49,002
as we traveled.
475
00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:53,173
If I was very lucky,
I grabbed a little poster
476
00:27:53,173 --> 00:27:55,719
and someone would give me
a photo they had taken.
477
00:27:57,719 --> 00:28:02,353
And it just slowly escalated
into this mountain.
478
00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:08,520
You know, it is all
a bit of a haze to me.
479
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,482
I mean, if I wanna know what
I did for certain in those years
480
00:28:11,482 --> 00:28:13,777
I have to ask Bill Wyman,
you know.
481
00:28:13,777 --> 00:28:16,779
- Who keeps the archives.
- Yeah.
482
00:28:16,779 --> 00:28:21,534
Bill was the first guy
to have a computer.
483
00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:24,412
He'd have his videos
and they'd be all stacked up.
484
00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:26,083
I bet he's probably got them
even now.
485
00:28:28,083 --> 00:28:31,047
He had movie cameras
before everybody.
486
00:28:34,047 --> 00:28:36,674
I took reels of film.
487
00:28:36,674 --> 00:28:39,858
Twenty years of home movies
on the road.
488
00:28:54,858 --> 00:28:59,196
The biggest ambition we had
was to play in a club
489
00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,865
and have people like
what we were playin'.
490
00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:04,952
We never dreamed
about making a record.
491
00:29:04,952 --> 00:29:07,247
It never crossed our minds
that we would ever
492
00:29:07,247 --> 00:29:09,499
be on TV or radio.
493
00:29:09,499 --> 00:29:13,086
Pie in the sky to think
we might go abroad sometime
494
00:29:13,086 --> 00:29:16,673
because we were playin'
uncommercial music.
495
00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:19,384
We were playin' pure blues
496
00:29:19,384 --> 00:29:22,261
and the only place we could
play it was in jazz clubs.
497
00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,099
Suddenly, we got a followin'
and it blossomed from there.
498
00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,185
Glyn Johns, who was
in that band, The Presidents
499
00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:33,940
said to us,
"I work at IBC Record Studios.
500
00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:36,692
I can get you three hours
recording time."
501
00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:39,865
We went, "What?
Make a record?"
502
00:29:41,865 --> 00:29:43,282
I'd seen the Rolling Stones
503
00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:44,784
and I thought
they were really good
504
00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:45,910
and I thought,
"There's definitely
505
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:47,287
a commercial opportunity here."
506
00:29:47,287 --> 00:29:49,204
So I approached
the studio owners and said
507
00:29:49,204 --> 00:29:51,750
"Can I bring these people in
and see what we can do?"
508
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:53,375
And they said, "Yes,
on the condition that you have
509
00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:54,961
"absolutely nothing to do
with getting the deal.
510
00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:56,628
We'll do the business."
511
00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:07,097
I took the Stones in
512
00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:09,224
and that was their first
recording session.
513
00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:12,479
We cut four things, I think.
Bill and I argue about this.
514
00:30:12,479 --> 00:30:14,980
I thought it was only three,
but he says it was five.
515
00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:16,482
He's probably right
516
00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:18,487
because he's got it
all written down somewhere.
517
00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:22,489
We went
and we cut five tracks.
518
00:30:22,489 --> 00:30:25,075
The guy who owned the place,
Harold Clewson
519
00:30:25,075 --> 00:30:27,952
took them around
to Decca and EMI and Pi
520
00:30:27,952 --> 00:30:29,453
and nobody liked them.
521
00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:32,792
And we thought that was the end
of our recording careers.
522
00:30:34,792 --> 00:30:37,336
It started to happen
when Andrew Oldham signed us.
523
00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:38,005
I'm proud of most things I did.
524
00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:40,673
Just, whether the proudness
remains
525
00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:42,384
is whether they happen
or they don't happen.
526
00:30:42,384 --> 00:30:44,594
Um, the biggest thing
naturally is the Rolling Stones.
527
00:30:44,594 --> 00:30:47,513
Andrew said he saw the sex
emanatin' from us
528
00:30:47,513 --> 00:30:48,932
and, you know,
and all this sort of bullshit
529
00:30:48,932 --> 00:30:51,518
the way Andrew talks,
which was fantastic
530
00:30:51,518 --> 00:30:53,355
'cause he was a genius.
531
00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:57,481
Bill, I didn't pay
much attention to
532
00:30:57,481 --> 00:30:59,192
and he knows that.
533
00:30:59,192 --> 00:31:02,237
Because of being
deeply superficial
534
00:31:02,237 --> 00:31:05,490
I judged books by their cover
535
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:08,284
and he seemed to be
much more of a Duane Eddy
536
00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:10,912
Johnny and the Hurricanes
type of guy to me
537
00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,080
than a, than a Bo Diddley guy.
538
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,459
Bill might have had moments
where he thought
539
00:31:16,459 --> 00:31:19,837
not that his life was over,
but his life was set.
540
00:31:19,837 --> 00:31:21,468
And then along came
the Rolling Stones.
541
00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:27,846
The phone rings
and it's Andrew Oldham saying
542
00:31:27,846 --> 00:31:30,222
"Can I speak to Terry O'Neill?"
So I speak to him.
543
00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,099
He said,
"Can you do what you did
544
00:31:32,099 --> 00:31:33,019
for the Beatles
for the Stones?"
545
00:31:34,019 --> 00:31:35,394
I said,
"Well, I'll give it a try."
546
00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:37,521
And that's when
I first met Bill.
547
00:31:37,521 --> 00:31:39,982
I took the pictures back,
and the picture editor said
548
00:31:39,982 --> 00:31:43,278
"God, they look like
five prehistoric monsters."
549
00:31:43,278 --> 00:31:45,404
It was a mania
with the Beatles
550
00:31:45,404 --> 00:31:48,074
whereas with the Stones,
it was an appreciation.
551
00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:49,952
It became a cult.
552
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:39,667
Alright then, this is
the Rolling Stones interview
553
00:32:39,667 --> 00:32:42,170
for the fan club,
December, Christmastime.
554
00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:44,047
Mick, Bill and Charlie.
555
00:32:44,047 --> 00:32:47,174
When did you first get mobbed?
Do you remember that word?
556
00:32:47,174 --> 00:32:49,969
- Yeah.
- Well, that's a good question.
557
00:32:49,969 --> 00:32:51,554
I don't remember, you know.
558
00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:52,013
It was like something,
I remember --
559
00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:55,599
- I do.
- Oh, well, Bill, okay, go on.
560
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,310
He remembers everything.
I'm trying --
561
00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,480
We, the first time
we got mobbed..
562
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,981
- Go on, where was it?
- This doesn't happen anymore.
563
00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,442
It was about a third of the way
564
00:33:04,442 --> 00:33:07,112
through
the Everly Brothers tour.
565
00:33:07,112 --> 00:33:08,696
- Really?
- Up in the north.
566
00:33:08,696 --> 00:33:10,155
It was either
in Manchester or Liverpool
567
00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:11,990
one of those places.
568
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:14,036
Um, where we were actually
attacked for the first time
569
00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:17,163
when we tried to get out
of the theater.
570
00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:20,709
Okay, here we go.
571
00:33:20,709 --> 00:33:22,961
And now I'd like
to introduce to you
572
00:33:22,961 --> 00:33:25,838
the fabulous Rolling Stones.
573
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:31,469
We'd go on stage
and go jan-ta-jan
574
00:33:31,469 --> 00:33:32,679
and the whole crowd
would pour on stage
575
00:33:32,679 --> 00:33:34,471
and that was the end
of the show.
576
00:33:34,471 --> 00:33:37,099
Two chords, end of the show.
577
00:33:37,099 --> 00:33:40,310
And if we got through three
songs, it was, like, amazing.
578
00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,904
Sometimes they put police dogs
on each end of the stage
579
00:33:50,904 --> 00:33:53,450
to stop the kids getting on.
The police dogs went nuts.
580
00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:03,335
The only way you could get out
of the theater in time
581
00:34:03,335 --> 00:34:06,503
when you played the last chord
of the last song
582
00:34:06,503 --> 00:34:09,132
the curtains closed
and they had to play
583
00:34:09,132 --> 00:34:10,382
"God Save The Queen."
584
00:34:16,347 --> 00:34:19,309
And the audience had to stand
there for those two minutes.
585
00:34:19,309 --> 00:34:23,271
And that was the two minutes
we had to get off the stage
586
00:34:23,271 --> 00:34:25,523
down the corridors,
out of the building
587
00:34:25,523 --> 00:34:27,733
into the police van
or whatever it was
588
00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:30,028
the Black Mariah
or the ambulance
589
00:34:31,028 --> 00:34:33,280
or the newspaper van
we were using
590
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,076
to be inconspicuous.
591
00:34:36,076 --> 00:34:37,748
And gone.
592
00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:44,333
Sometimes we didn't get out
in time
593
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:46,425
and then we just got mashed.
594
00:34:52,425 --> 00:34:55,260
And then we went abroad,
fucking hell.
595
00:34:59,181 --> 00:35:02,190
Please fasten your seatbelts
and do not smoke.
596
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:11,777
♪ Everywhere I hear the sound ♪
597
00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:17,324
♪ Of marching
charging feet boy ♪
598
00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:21,204
♪ 'Cause summer's here
and the time is right ♪
599
00:35:21,204 --> 00:35:26,793
♪ For fighting
in the street boy ♪
600
00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:30,880
♪ Well now what can
a poor boy do ♪
601
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,634
♪ Except to sing
for a rock and roll band? ♪
602
00:35:34,634 --> 00:35:37,594
♪ 'Cause
in sleepy London town ♪
603
00:35:37,594 --> 00:35:43,188
♪ There's just no place
for a street fighting man ♪♪
604
00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:49,440
You talk about being worn out
605
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,983
but you've never been
as worn out
606
00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:53,485
as we were the other week.
607
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,112
On Wednesday, the 15th
608
00:35:55,112 --> 00:35:57,532
we left Munich
and flew to West Berlin
609
00:35:57,532 --> 00:36:00,411
and that's where
the story really starts.
610
00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:02,871
We arrived at the airport.
611
00:36:02,871 --> 00:36:04,998
They said we'll hold
a press conference.
612
00:36:04,998 --> 00:36:06,916
We got in,
started the press conference.
613
00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:08,418
We were there five minutes,
and the kids
614
00:36:08,418 --> 00:36:10,170
are breaking the doors down
and everything
615
00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:12,338
and the police kept
bringing reinforcements in
616
00:36:12,338 --> 00:36:14,800
to hold the doors
and everything at each end.
617
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,844
The chief of police
came over and he said
618
00:36:17,844 --> 00:36:19,971
"We can't hold 'em any longer.
You'll have to go."
619
00:36:19,971 --> 00:36:23,182
So we had to run out and fight
our way through to the bus
620
00:36:23,182 --> 00:36:25,934
and then the bus had to fight
its way through the crowd.
621
00:36:25,934 --> 00:36:29,646
And away we went with an escort
of about six police cars
622
00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:33,027
and about twenty helmeted
and armed police on motorbikes.
623
00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:35,028
Unbelievable, you know.
624
00:36:36,028 --> 00:36:38,155
I never had my movie camera
with me.
625
00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:40,240
I'm so annoyed
that I missed it, you know.
626
00:36:43,577 --> 00:36:46,331
♪ Well if you ever plan ♪
627
00:36:46,331 --> 00:36:47,956
We were over the moon to hear
628
00:36:47,956 --> 00:36:49,501
that we were gonna go
to America.
629
00:36:49,501 --> 00:36:51,210
♪ Just take my way ♪
630
00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:54,465
♪ That's the highway
that's the best ♪
631
00:36:55,465 --> 00:36:59,177
♪ Get your kicks on Route 66 ♪
632
00:36:59,177 --> 00:37:01,762
The Beatles,
they made it in America.
633
00:37:01,762 --> 00:37:04,974
The Rolling Stones
were made by America.
634
00:37:04,974 --> 00:37:08,268
One started to be able to watch
with all of them
635
00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:10,646
some magical development
636
00:37:10,646 --> 00:37:13,315
as they were able to record
637
00:37:13,315 --> 00:37:15,902
with their feet
touching the land
638
00:37:15,902 --> 00:37:17,072
that created their passion.
639
00:37:19,072 --> 00:37:21,490
You had to break every town
and every state.
640
00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:23,409
You were right
in the middle of it.
641
00:37:23,409 --> 00:37:25,994
♪ Oklahoma City looks
oh so pretty ♪
642
00:37:25,994 --> 00:37:28,083
♪ You'll see Amarillo ♪♪
643
00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:31,043
Let's run one down.
644
00:37:33,043 --> 00:37:35,255
Rolling master A.
Master A, take one.
645
00:37:37,673 --> 00:37:40,260
Going to Chess
was like a pilgrimage.
646
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:44,931
We knew that that's where
most of our idols recorded.
647
00:37:44,931 --> 00:37:47,269
Bo Diddley,
Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf.
648
00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:52,480
We hoped we could get
the right sound
649
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,773
that we weren't being able
to get in the UK.
650
00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:55,027
And we did.
651
00:37:58,027 --> 00:38:00,030
We played
their blues music brilliantly
652
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:03,331
and that's what shocked them.
653
00:38:10,331 --> 00:38:13,420
- What's your ambition now?
- To be a musician.
654
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:18,757
I'm not -- I'm not a musician.
I just play in a band, you know.
655
00:38:18,757 --> 00:38:20,052
♪ Well I'm a king bee ♪
656
00:38:22,052 --> 00:38:23,427
♪ Buzzing around ♪
657
00:38:23,427 --> 00:38:24,471
There was something about
658
00:38:24,471 --> 00:38:26,222
Bill's bass lines
in the Stones.
659
00:38:26,222 --> 00:38:28,849
It was the first thing
you'd hear
660
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:31,143
the thing
that was most hooky about it.
661
00:38:31,143 --> 00:38:35,065
It was so precise
and so contained, you know.
662
00:38:35,065 --> 00:38:36,025
It wasn't gettin' away
with itself.
663
00:38:37,025 --> 00:38:38,902
It was just right.
664
00:38:38,902 --> 00:38:41,279
The best informed
are the best players
665
00:38:41,279 --> 00:38:43,739
and I think
Bill's one of those.
666
00:38:43,739 --> 00:38:45,199
It's never been pop.
667
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:46,576
It's been rock and roll
668
00:38:46,576 --> 00:38:48,494
but it's been informed by blues
669
00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:52,248
which is
the magical combination.
670
00:38:52,248 --> 00:38:55,626
Bill is like no other
bass player I've ever heard.
671
00:38:55,626 --> 00:38:58,505
He has an incredibly simplistic
approach to what he's doing.
672
00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:01,257
And I think that's just
Bill's complete lack of ego
673
00:39:01,257 --> 00:39:02,509
as a musician, really.
674
00:39:02,509 --> 00:39:04,385
It's very often
not what you play
675
00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:06,346
but what you don't play,
what you leave out
676
00:39:06,346 --> 00:39:08,014
that makes a distinction
as to your abilities, really.
677
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,601
♪ We can make honey ♪
678
00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:14,728
♪ The world has never seen ♪
679
00:39:14,728 --> 00:39:17,565
There were a lot of these
really technically brilliant
680
00:39:17,565 --> 00:39:21,902
bass players that can play me
off the stage any time.
681
00:39:21,902 --> 00:39:24,905
To me, they just sound like
lead guitar players.
682
00:39:24,905 --> 00:39:28,869
So busy that there doesn't seem
much room for anybody else.
683
00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:32,539
♪ Sting-a-been ♪♪
684
00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:47,469
The key for me
is Bill and Charlie together.
685
00:39:47,469 --> 00:39:50,056
When they play together,
it's extraordinary.
686
00:39:50,056 --> 00:39:52,559
The power of the two of them
is greater than the four.
687
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,021
Just that magic chemical
combination of feel.
688
00:39:56,021 --> 00:39:58,606
♪ I just wanna
make love to you ♪♪
689
00:39:58,606 --> 00:40:02,402
Really easy guy.
And a really good bass player.
690
00:40:02,402 --> 00:40:04,904
Very, very unassuming
bass player.
691
00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:07,072
And some of the records
that we made
692
00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,826
he's quite brilliant on.
693
00:40:09,826 --> 00:40:12,077
Fortunately, the pair of us
694
00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:14,833
made a living
out of doing it together.
695
00:40:16,833 --> 00:40:19,168
We were always referred
to as the straightest
696
00:40:19,168 --> 00:40:21,932
rhythm section
in rock and roll.
697
00:40:36,978 --> 00:40:38,605
Bill, how did this,
uh, come about?
698
00:40:38,605 --> 00:40:41,608
This, uh, with writing
miserable articles
699
00:40:41,608 --> 00:40:44,235
about the Stones?
Did this originate in Europe?
700
00:40:44,235 --> 00:40:47,112
It started when we started
in England, you know
701
00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:49,740
but, um, by now in England
702
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:51,909
everybody knows
what we really are like
703
00:40:51,909 --> 00:40:54,211
so they don't write things
that are untrue, you know.
704
00:41:02,211 --> 00:41:04,672
The Beatles are loved
by pretty well everybody
705
00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:07,132
from the moms
down to the teenagers.
706
00:41:07,132 --> 00:41:10,637
It seems to me that
you're either loved or hated.
707
00:41:11,637 --> 00:41:14,891
Everything we did
was so alien to the norm.
708
00:41:14,891 --> 00:41:16,809
They just did not get it.
709
00:41:16,809 --> 00:41:20,480
Why we didn't succumb
to being showbiz-y.
710
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,481
All the other bands
would succumb to doing
711
00:41:22,481 --> 00:41:24,983
what they're told
just for that bit of publicity.
712
00:41:24,983 --> 00:41:27,824
We didn't need it, we avoided
publicity in the end.
713
00:41:30,824 --> 00:41:33,367
It was us against the world.
It really was.
714
00:41:33,367 --> 00:41:35,914
We were just refusing
to conform.
715
00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:41,251
If a kid wants
to let his hair grow long
716
00:41:41,251 --> 00:41:44,295
or he wants to wear rags,
or he wants to play a guitar
717
00:41:44,295 --> 00:41:45,630
or do anything,
or kick a ball in the street
718
00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:46,880
it's nothing to do with us.
719
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,675
If he likes to listen
to our music, that's great
720
00:41:48,675 --> 00:41:50,885
if he wants to come
to a concert.
721
00:41:50,885 --> 00:41:52,512
But apart from that,
we didn't believe
722
00:41:52,512 --> 00:41:54,523
we had any responsibility.
723
00:42:03,523 --> 00:42:06,275
I always thought he didn't
like me being in the Stones
724
00:42:06,275 --> 00:42:08,402
'cause he never
said anything nice.
725
00:42:08,402 --> 00:42:10,364
He was always moaning about it.
726
00:42:12,364 --> 00:42:14,534
I just don't think
that generation could get
727
00:42:14,534 --> 00:42:18,204
into their head that
their kids could be successful
728
00:42:18,204 --> 00:42:21,751
in something
that wasn't a normal job.
729
00:42:22,751 --> 00:42:26,128
So when I succeeded
playing music
730
00:42:26,128 --> 00:42:28,840
a -- and doing better than them
731
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,260
it was out of order,
wasn't it?
732
00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:35,054
But my mom did tell me
733
00:42:35,054 --> 00:42:36,556
on a couple of occasions
734
00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:38,432
when t -- they were in the pub
735
00:42:38,432 --> 00:42:41,061
uh, when someone
was going on about
736
00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:44,230
"Stones, dirty lot,"
he would stick up for us.
737
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:46,942
He'd tell them
to mind their own business.
738
00:42:47,942 --> 00:42:50,820
And so he did it
without my knowledge
739
00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:52,864
but he never did it to my face.
740
00:42:52,864 --> 00:42:54,117
But he wasn't
that kind of a person.
741
00:42:57,117 --> 00:42:59,204
I mean, looking back,
I don't blame him
742
00:42:59,204 --> 00:43:02,623
because he -- he had
a terrible childhood.
743
00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,594
A really terrible childhood.
744
00:43:15,594 --> 00:43:19,099
Everything was changin'
in those early '60s.
745
00:43:24,061 --> 00:43:26,898
♪ You're the kind of person
you meet at certain ♪
746
00:43:26,898 --> 00:43:29,150
♪ Dismal dull affairs ♪
747
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:31,820
♪ Center of a crowd
talking much too loud ♪
748
00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:34,655
The music, art, fashion.
749
00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:37,367
Suddenly,
girls were wearing miniskirts.
750
00:43:37,367 --> 00:43:39,284
It just went
right across the board.
751
00:43:39,284 --> 00:43:42,288
♪ And though you try
you just can't hide ♪
752
00:43:42,288 --> 00:43:44,833
All the clubs
started to appear in London.
753
00:43:44,833 --> 00:43:47,751
You'd bump into the Beatles
or the Animals or the Hollies.
754
00:43:47,751 --> 00:43:49,461
Ah, they were just everywhere.
755
00:43:49,461 --> 00:43:50,963
You just moved
from one to the other
756
00:43:50,963 --> 00:43:52,800
and sometimes
you saw live acts.
757
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,677
You'd go
and see Benny King somewhere
758
00:43:56,677 --> 00:43:59,304
and then you'd see
Lee Dorsey somewhere else.
759
00:43:59,304 --> 00:44:02,641
I'm at the Scotch of St. James,
I met Otis Redding
760
00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:05,144
and talked to him
for about half an hour.
761
00:44:05,144 --> 00:44:07,938
You know, when you met
those people in those days
762
00:44:07,938 --> 00:44:10,442
they were like gods to me.
763
00:44:10,442 --> 00:44:12,735
I think a lot of it
had to do with the music
764
00:44:12,735 --> 00:44:14,945
and then the birth pill
765
00:44:14,945 --> 00:44:16,780
all them British movies
766
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:18,282
it was coming from everywhere.
767
00:44:18,282 --> 00:44:19,492
It was sort of a hurricane
768
00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:21,869
and we were coming
in the middle of it.
769
00:44:21,869 --> 00:44:24,329
♪ Your father's
still perfecting ways ♪
770
00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:26,791
♪ Of making sealing wax ♪
771
00:44:26,791 --> 00:44:28,219
♪ You better stop ♪♪
772
00:44:38,219 --> 00:44:39,846
Me and Brian used to go out
to the clubs
773
00:44:39,846 --> 00:44:41,893
and pick up girls.
774
00:44:44,893 --> 00:44:48,855
They used to camp outside
the hotel on the grass.
775
00:44:48,855 --> 00:44:51,148
You know, of course,
I jumped at it
776
00:44:51,148 --> 00:44:55,402
and it just became part
of my life after that.
777
00:44:55,402 --> 00:44:58,782
It became a habit just through
778
00:44:58,782 --> 00:45:02,452
honestly, loneliness
and just wanting affection.
779
00:45:02,452 --> 00:45:04,371
And these girls
were affectionate.
780
00:45:06,873 --> 00:45:09,083
There was probably
an addiction to sex
781
00:45:09,083 --> 00:45:11,418
because I wasn't addicted
to drugs
782
00:45:11,418 --> 00:45:13,681
and I wasn't addicted to wine.
783
00:45:22,681 --> 00:45:24,016
My first marriage,
it never worked.
784
00:45:25,016 --> 00:45:26,934
It was down
to the same old thing
785
00:45:26,934 --> 00:45:30,190
of marrying the girl
next door was the phrase.
786
00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:33,775
Getting married
got me out of the family.
787
00:45:33,775 --> 00:45:36,610
Of course, it did,
out of the home.
788
00:45:36,610 --> 00:45:39,364
It was hard
coming home to my wife
789
00:45:39,364 --> 00:45:41,282
who obviously knew
what was going on.
790
00:45:41,282 --> 00:45:44,159
But then I found at one time,
she had a relationship going.
791
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,579
I mean, obviously,
I don't blame her.
792
00:45:47,579 --> 00:45:50,416
And then you end up
with a child out of the blue
793
00:45:50,416 --> 00:45:52,918
and you just stay together
for the sake of the child
794
00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:55,838
which is always
the worst thing you can do.
795
00:45:55,838 --> 00:45:57,434
Until I finally got divorced.
796
00:46:08,434 --> 00:46:10,728
She insisted
that she would take Stephen
797
00:46:10,728 --> 00:46:14,110
to South Africa with her,
which really hurt me.
798
00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:21,739
But then I thought, "Well,
it's better that he grows up
799
00:46:21,739 --> 00:46:25,326
with one parent
in a normal way of life."
800
00:46:25,326 --> 00:46:27,583
If it isn't with me,
then it has to be with her.
801
00:46:31,583 --> 00:46:33,126
I'll get Stephen to say
something to you.
802
00:46:33,126 --> 00:46:34,543
Just a minute.
803
00:46:34,543 --> 00:46:36,463
Come and say hello to Dave.
804
00:46:36,463 --> 00:46:38,922
Come and say hello to Dave.
805
00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:40,884
- Hello.
- Say hello, Dave.
806
00:46:40,884 --> 00:46:43,219
- Hello.
- Say how are you?
807
00:46:43,219 --> 00:46:47,516
How are you?
I will see you soon. Bye-bye.
808
00:46:49,516 --> 00:46:52,646
He came back
in the summer of '68.
809
00:46:53,646 --> 00:46:56,315
And when I saw the state
he was in, I was shocked
810
00:46:56,315 --> 00:46:58,027
because he was complainin'
of toothache
811
00:46:59,027 --> 00:47:02,322
he was thin,
he didn't look well at all.
812
00:47:02,322 --> 00:47:05,824
So I refused to return him
to South Africa.
813
00:47:05,824 --> 00:47:09,748
And then I had to fight for him
and a divorce.
814
00:47:11,748 --> 00:47:13,166
I went to the court
815
00:47:13,166 --> 00:47:16,880
and the judge gave me custody,
which was a miracle.
816
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,728
And from that day on,
I brought Stephen up.
817
00:47:33,728 --> 00:47:35,271
I broke up from my wife.
818
00:47:35,271 --> 00:47:37,773
Astrid, my girlfriend,
moved in with me.
819
00:47:37,773 --> 00:47:39,869
I'd met her by then.
820
00:47:50,869 --> 00:47:53,164
We arrived at this gate
821
00:47:53,164 --> 00:47:56,793
and a gardener came
with a shotgun broken off
822
00:47:56,793 --> 00:47:58,628
and said, "What do you want?"
823
00:47:58,628 --> 00:48:00,505
And we said,
"Is this Gedding Hall?"
824
00:48:00,505 --> 00:48:02,297
And he said, "Yes."
825
00:48:02,297 --> 00:48:05,050
And I said, "We understand
that the place is goin' up
826
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:06,012
for sale tomorrow.
Could we have a look?"
827
00:48:07,012 --> 00:48:08,679
And he said,
"Well, the owners are not here
828
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,768
but I'll show you
'round the outside."
829
00:48:13,768 --> 00:48:16,896
And I saw this
unbelievable house
830
00:48:16,896 --> 00:48:19,400
which I just couldn't believe.
831
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,074
Oh, God,
it was extraordinary.
832
00:48:29,074 --> 00:48:32,077
The owner was Jeff Allen.
833
00:48:32,077 --> 00:48:34,873
He took me into the lounge
for a cup of tea
834
00:48:34,873 --> 00:48:39,668
and I saw a 10 by 8 photo
on the top of the TV
835
00:48:39,668 --> 00:48:43,047
of Ronnie,
Reggie and Charlie Kray
836
00:48:43,047 --> 00:48:45,759
saying "Love to Jeff
from the boys."
837
00:48:45,759 --> 00:48:47,760
"Uh, what's that, Mr. Allen?"
838
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,471
He says,
"Oh, they -- they're the Krays.
839
00:48:49,471 --> 00:48:51,309
They're friends of mine.
They're nice lads."
840
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:56,101
I found later
that he was a godfather
841
00:48:56,101 --> 00:48:59,146
and he would invest their money
in country houses and stuff
842
00:48:59,146 --> 00:49:01,775
but that's another story.
843
00:49:01,775 --> 00:49:03,610
I asked him how much he wanted
for the property
844
00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:06,237
and it was 45,000 pounds.
845
00:49:06,237 --> 00:49:08,782
After being a top band
for five years
846
00:49:08,782 --> 00:49:10,115
we didn't have money.
847
00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,702
Money always seemed to vanish.
848
00:49:12,702 --> 00:49:14,954
Jeff, bless him, did a deal
849
00:49:14,954 --> 00:49:18,166
and let me have it
for a price I could afford.
850
00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:19,958
He said, "I'll tell you what.
851
00:49:19,958 --> 00:49:22,878
"I admire you.
You're a self-made man like me.
852
00:49:22,878 --> 00:49:25,798
"I come from the east end of
London, you come from London.
853
00:49:25,798 --> 00:49:27,509
It's yours."
854
00:49:27,509 --> 00:49:28,717
It's a wonderful place.
855
00:49:28,717 --> 00:49:31,304
I mean, my soul is there,
I think.
856
00:49:31,304 --> 00:49:33,309
I'm never happier
than when I'm there.
857
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:38,894
So when the drug busts
were coming in '67
858
00:49:38,894 --> 00:49:40,148
I was just reading it
in the press.
859
00:49:42,148 --> 00:49:44,442
Mr. Jagger
accused of allowing his home
860
00:49:44,442 --> 00:49:46,485
at West Wittering
to be used for the purpose
861
00:49:46,485 --> 00:49:50,155
of smoking cannabis resin,
better known as hashish.
862
00:49:50,155 --> 00:49:52,742
And after the three-minute
hearing, Jones came out
863
00:49:52,742 --> 00:49:55,286
through the back of the court
and drove away
864
00:49:55,286 --> 00:49:57,579
crouching down
on the rear seat of a car.
865
00:49:57,579 --> 00:49:59,748
I honestly didn't know whether
who was gonna be in jail
866
00:49:59,748 --> 00:50:02,376
what week and who was gonna be
in the studio.
867
00:50:02,376 --> 00:50:04,295
I didn't want anything
to do with drugs.
868
00:50:04,295 --> 00:50:06,672
I didn't confront it with them.
869
00:50:06,672 --> 00:50:09,675
I just ignored it,
stepped away from it
870
00:50:09,675 --> 00:50:12,012
and got stuck
into what I wanted to do.
871
00:50:13,012 --> 00:50:16,056
I was avoiding
facing their problem
872
00:50:16,056 --> 00:50:17,851
because it wasn't my problem.
873
00:50:17,851 --> 00:50:20,603
So I was living two lives,
really.
874
00:50:21,603 --> 00:50:24,648
Once, I had a puff
of some bloody joint they had.
875
00:50:24,648 --> 00:50:28,862
Apparently, it had
elephant tranquilizer in it.
876
00:50:28,862 --> 00:50:30,989
I went down this corridor
and there was someone coming
877
00:50:30,989 --> 00:50:32,865
towards me
that I kind of vaguely knew
878
00:50:32,865 --> 00:50:34,867
so I stopped
and chatted to them
879
00:50:34,867 --> 00:50:37,871
for about 10 or 15 minutes.
880
00:50:37,871 --> 00:50:39,998
And then I looked up again
and it was me.
881
00:50:39,998 --> 00:50:41,750
I was looking in the mirror.
882
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:43,840
And I thought,
"I don't fucking need this."
883
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,134
I have to have my feet
on the ground.
884
00:50:51,134 --> 00:50:53,260
I can't go floatin' off.
885
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:56,222
The emptiness underneath me
terrifies me.
886
00:50:56,222 --> 00:50:58,474
I've got a phobia about it.
887
00:50:58,474 --> 00:51:00,476
Most people think
there's something else
888
00:51:00,476 --> 00:51:03,646
on the other side of the street
which they're not experiencin'
889
00:51:03,646 --> 00:51:07,233
and so they wanna go there
and try it out, don't they?
890
00:51:07,233 --> 00:51:09,235
So if you look at any band
891
00:51:09,235 --> 00:51:12,822
and I mean any band
from the mid '60s
892
00:51:12,822 --> 00:51:15,492
you've got losses. Every band.
893
00:51:15,492 --> 00:51:18,494
Searching for something
that really ain't there.
894
00:51:18,494 --> 00:51:21,416
Brian was a typical example
of that.
895
00:51:23,416 --> 00:51:26,378
I was really sad
when Brian started
896
00:51:26,378 --> 00:51:28,797
to, uh, fall to bits basically.
897
00:51:29,797 --> 00:51:32,217
We'd be in LA
and we'd go out to the clubs
898
00:51:32,217 --> 00:51:33,760
and he'd be on LSD.
899
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,596
And he -- he'd be getting out
the limo and going
900
00:51:36,596 --> 00:51:38,431
"Oh, look, there's snakes
all over the ground."
901
00:51:38,431 --> 00:51:39,932
He'd be jumping about
all over the ground.
902
00:51:39,932 --> 00:51:42,976
Fucking hell, Brian. You know,
"The ceiling's on fire."
903
00:51:42,976 --> 00:51:45,188
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it certainly is, Brian.
904
00:51:45,188 --> 00:51:47,440
I just used to let him
get on with it, but, um
905
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,782
he would go off
on those tangents a lot.
906
00:51:55,782 --> 00:51:58,326
He was thrown out of the band
907
00:51:58,326 --> 00:52:00,978
and he died a month later.
908
00:52:25,978 --> 00:52:28,063
Charlie phoned me up.
909
00:52:28,063 --> 00:52:30,650
He just said, "Brian died."
910
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:32,693
I couldn't believe it,
you know.
911
00:52:32,693 --> 00:52:35,905
The press was so bad
at the funeral.
912
00:52:35,905 --> 00:52:39,826
I mean, everybody's around
the grave, you know
913
00:52:39,826 --> 00:52:42,619
and they're -- they're putting
the coffin in and all that
914
00:52:42,619 --> 00:52:45,581
and the, the preacher's
reading -- reading out
915
00:52:45,581 --> 00:52:47,333
and, like, all his family
and relatives
916
00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:50,378
are all, like, tranquillized
and everything.
917
00:52:50,378 --> 00:52:51,795
Everybody's crying and upset.
918
00:52:51,795 --> 00:52:54,048
There's thousands
of fans everywhere.
919
00:52:54,048 --> 00:52:55,342
And there's kids
running up to you
920
00:52:55,342 --> 00:52:57,510
asking for autographs, you know.
921
00:52:57,510 --> 00:53:00,722
And, uh, there's press guys
with cameras everywhere
922
00:53:00,722 --> 00:53:03,016
like all leaning over you
and getting snaps in the..
923
00:53:04,016 --> 00:53:05,393
Oh, man, it was really sick.
924
00:53:05,393 --> 00:53:10,065
There's...movies going
and all that, you know.
925
00:53:10,065 --> 00:53:11,193
There was no respect at all.
926
00:53:13,193 --> 00:53:16,992
And when he went,
it really sort of got me bad.
927
00:53:20,992 --> 00:53:23,378
Somebody a bit special.
928
00:53:31,378 --> 00:53:33,380
That planned Hyde Park concert
929
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:36,215
ended up being a bit
of a memorial to Brian
930
00:53:36,215 --> 00:53:38,552
because of his death
two days earlier.
931
00:53:39,552 --> 00:53:42,222
An English park
on a Saturday afternoon
932
00:53:42,222 --> 00:53:44,431
July 5, 1969.
933
00:53:44,431 --> 00:53:48,186
There must be 200,000 people
here, youngsters.
934
00:53:48,186 --> 00:53:49,813
In about another hour,
I should imagine
935
00:53:49,813 --> 00:53:52,273
there will be a quarter
of a million.
936
00:53:52,273 --> 00:53:54,994
And it was extraordinary
that day.
937
00:54:17,465 --> 00:54:19,092
Alright!
938
00:54:31,146 --> 00:54:34,940
♪ You know I'm yours
and I'm hers ♪
939
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:38,949
♪ Somebody else's too ♪
940
00:54:42,949 --> 00:54:46,460
♪ You know I'm yours
and I'm hers ♪♪
941
00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:56,755
It was Mick Taylor's
first show with us.
942
00:54:56,755 --> 00:54:59,132
That must have been
a staggerin' thing for him.
943
00:54:59,132 --> 00:55:01,259
The first gig with a band
944
00:55:01,259 --> 00:55:04,971
and you're playin'
half a million people.
945
00:55:04,971 --> 00:55:07,681
From every direction
I looked at
946
00:55:07,681 --> 00:55:09,809
there were just heads
947
00:55:09,809 --> 00:55:12,436
and it was just like a carpet
of different colored hair.
948
00:55:12,436 --> 00:55:15,443
That's what
I could explain it as.
949
00:55:19,443 --> 00:55:21,362
The whole day was wonderful.
950
00:55:21,362 --> 00:55:25,532
There was no -- no violence,
no fights, no drugs, no..
951
00:55:25,532 --> 00:55:27,751
It just went like a dream.
952
00:55:34,751 --> 00:55:36,003
That autumn, we set off
on a tour of America
953
00:55:37,003 --> 00:55:39,507
with Mick Taylor
and it was a wonderful tour.
954
00:55:41,507 --> 00:55:44,510
The future of the band
was looking very healthy
955
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:45,929
and positive.
956
00:55:45,929 --> 00:55:48,514
You didn't have so much
of the screamin'
957
00:55:48,514 --> 00:55:51,643
or very little of it,
and people were listening.
958
00:55:52,643 --> 00:55:54,813
And then came Altamont.
959
00:55:54,813 --> 00:55:58,233
We wanted to repeat
Hyde Park in America
960
00:55:58,233 --> 00:56:00,902
as a thank you
to the US fans.
961
00:56:00,902 --> 00:56:02,862
Okay, it's definitely on.
962
00:56:02,862 --> 00:56:04,572
The Rolling Stones
are not going to appear
963
00:56:04,572 --> 00:56:07,282
at the, uh, raceway in Sonoma.
964
00:56:07,282 --> 00:56:09,744
They've decided now they're
going to hold the concert
965
00:56:09,744 --> 00:56:13,123
with the Grateful Dead,
the Jefferson Airplane, Santana
966
00:56:13,123 --> 00:56:16,041
and, of course, the Rolling
Stones at Altamont Speedway
967
00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:18,420
which is halfway between
Tracy and Livermore.
968
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:20,137
What you do
is you catch Highway 80..
969
00:56:28,137 --> 00:56:29,722
I don't really like
talking about Altamont
970
00:56:29,722 --> 00:56:33,559
'cause it was such
an awful, awful, awful event.
971
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:35,728
The violence
just never stopped.
972
00:56:35,728 --> 00:56:38,398
And we kept trying to stop it,
and we knew if we just
973
00:56:38,398 --> 00:56:40,150
walked off the stage,
it'd probably be worse.
974
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:42,735
So we hung on
and tried to cool people out
975
00:56:42,735 --> 00:56:44,452
and it didn't work.
976
00:56:51,452 --> 00:56:53,579
Four people in the audience,
uh, died
977
00:56:53,579 --> 00:56:56,081
one of them from stab wounds,
and the argument goes on
978
00:56:56,081 --> 00:56:58,543
about how and what
is to blame for that
979
00:56:58,543 --> 00:57:01,628
or how that could have been
prevented, I should say.
980
00:57:01,628 --> 00:57:03,882
Sometimes
things get out of control
981
00:57:03,882 --> 00:57:06,384
and you can't do
anything about it.
982
00:57:06,384 --> 00:57:09,554
It was the death of the '60s,
that's what they called it.
983
00:57:09,554 --> 00:57:12,806
The death of the '60s.
It was, really.
984
00:57:12,806 --> 00:57:16,603
It was the time when the Stones
could have just died
985
00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:18,155
and they nearly did.
986
00:57:34,496 --> 00:57:37,456
By 1970, we all owed
987
00:57:37,456 --> 00:57:40,793
around about 100,000 pounds
to the Inland Revenue
988
00:57:40,793 --> 00:57:42,795
which we thought had been paid.
989
00:57:42,795 --> 00:57:46,632
Tax with the labor government
was between 83 and 93%.
990
00:57:46,632 --> 00:57:48,967
There was no way
we could possibly
991
00:57:48,967 --> 00:57:50,387
earn enough money
to pay it back.
992
00:57:50,387 --> 00:57:52,389
♪ I saw her today ♪
993
00:57:52,389 --> 00:57:54,474
It was impossible for us
to stay in England
994
00:57:54,474 --> 00:57:56,018
and so we had to go to France.
995
00:57:57,018 --> 00:58:00,105
♪ A glass of wine
in her hand ♪
996
00:58:00,105 --> 00:58:02,315
And then, of course, we became
the very first tax exiles.
997
00:58:02,315 --> 00:58:05,985
♪ I knew she was gonna meet
her connection ♪
998
00:58:05,985 --> 00:58:07,654
It was difficult.
We're probably
999
00:58:07,654 --> 00:58:09,739
the most robbed band ever
1000
00:58:09,739 --> 00:58:11,327
but you learn, don't you?
1001
00:58:14,327 --> 00:58:18,248
♪ You can't always get
what you want ♪
1002
00:58:18,248 --> 00:58:20,666
I mean, some bands have
one shot, they got nothing
1003
00:58:20,666 --> 00:58:21,001
that's the end of it.
1004
00:58:22,001 --> 00:58:24,420
They don't have the chance
of moving on
1005
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:25,963
to improve their situation.
1006
00:58:25,963 --> 00:58:30,844
♪ You can't always get
what you want ♪
1007
00:58:30,844 --> 00:58:34,514
But I hated leaving England.
I hated it.
1008
00:58:34,514 --> 00:58:37,307
But we were told
there was no alternative.
1009
00:58:46,483 --> 00:58:48,695
When I left that mornin'
1010
00:58:48,695 --> 00:58:52,364
and I left my mom and dad there
and my son, Stephen
1011
00:58:52,364 --> 00:58:55,367
I was tearful,
and I really didn't wanna go.
1012
00:58:55,367 --> 00:58:58,288
♪ Fair share of abuse ♪♪
1013
00:58:58,288 --> 00:59:00,717
I was sure I wasn't gonna like
living in France.
1014
00:59:59,056 --> 00:00:01,768
People thought we all went
and lived in the same house.
1015
01:00:06,648 --> 01:00:08,608
We had to look
for somewhere to record
1016
01:00:08,608 --> 01:00:11,360
because, you know,
we needed a new record.
1017
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,800
And in the end,
we never found anything.
1018
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,594
We have to go
to Keith's house to do it.
1019
01:00:36,594 --> 01:00:38,221
Keith insists,
otherwise Keith ain't ever
1020
01:00:38,221 --> 01:00:40,224
gonna go to the session,
you know.
1021
01:00:42,224 --> 01:00:44,481
That's where we recorded
Exile On Main Street.
1022
01:00:48,481 --> 01:00:51,233
We did it in the basement
of his house.
1023
01:00:51,233 --> 01:00:52,777
It was a sad time
1024
01:00:52,777 --> 01:00:56,447
because everybody just got
absorbed in takin' drugs.
1025
01:00:56,447 --> 01:00:59,367
I didn't want it.
I didn't want anything of it,
apart from the music.
1026
01:01:09,585 --> 01:01:12,130
♪ I wanna tell you
about a dance ♪♪
1027
01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:14,715
We were in this basement,
which was like an oven.
1028
01:01:14,715 --> 01:01:17,010
And there's pictures of us
lying on the floor, you know.
1029
01:01:18,010 --> 01:01:22,306
Whatever inconveniences,
whatever things were impossible
1030
01:01:22,306 --> 01:01:24,268
to deal with sometimes,
it worked.
1031
01:01:26,268 --> 01:01:29,190
We were dynamite.
Un -- unbeatable, really.
1032
01:01:30,190 --> 01:01:32,318
Title five, take one.
1033
01:01:51,628 --> 01:01:53,505
Last week, New York City
finally got to see
1034
01:01:53,505 --> 01:01:54,505
and hear the Rolling Stones.
1035
01:01:54,505 --> 01:01:55,882
We were the last stop on a tour
1036
01:01:55,882 --> 01:01:57,887
that I'm sure most of you
have heard about.
1037
01:02:01,887 --> 01:02:03,597
Would you ever do
30 cities again
1038
01:02:03,597 --> 01:02:05,226
in that amount of time
if it were up to you?
1039
01:02:07,226 --> 01:02:09,061
As long as I get a holiday,
you know.
1040
01:02:09,061 --> 01:02:11,123
There's never been so much
energy as on this tour.
1041
01:03:10,123 --> 01:03:11,458
If the Stones broke up
1042
01:03:11,458 --> 01:03:13,293
I don't wanna start any rumors
'cause there aren't any
1043
01:03:13,293 --> 01:03:16,463
but if they did,
say, next week after this tour
1044
01:03:16,463 --> 01:03:17,800
what would you do?
1045
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,802
You know, I always tried
to live a normal life
1046
01:03:22,802 --> 01:03:25,262
when I would finished recording
or finished touring
1047
01:03:25,262 --> 01:03:28,141
or finished the concert
or whatever it was
1048
01:03:28,141 --> 01:03:31,646
I'd go back
and try to be normal.
1049
01:03:33,646 --> 01:03:36,648
We managed to build finances
1050
01:03:36,648 --> 01:03:39,943
and be able to pay our taxes
and still have money.
1051
01:03:39,943 --> 01:03:42,322
And then, of course,
it opened me
1052
01:03:42,322 --> 01:03:44,702
to a whole new life here.
1053
01:04:03,592 --> 01:04:05,679
You've got a lovely suntan.
1054
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,097
This presumably is, uh,
south of France suntan
1055
01:04:08,097 --> 01:04:09,932
because that's where
you're living now, is it not?
1056
01:04:09,932 --> 01:04:11,476
Yeah, that's my French look.
1057
01:04:11,476 --> 01:04:13,686
What do you do when you're
there apart from sunbathe?
1058
01:04:13,686 --> 01:04:16,356
In France, there are
so many different people
1059
01:04:16,356 --> 01:04:18,233
to -- to mix with
1060
01:04:18,233 --> 01:04:20,402
and, uh, I meet
with quite a lot of them
1061
01:04:20,402 --> 01:04:23,195
and going to art exhibitions,
all kinds of stuff.
1062
01:04:23,195 --> 01:04:24,240
It's really nice.
1063
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,701
And I did meet Andre Verde
1064
01:04:27,701 --> 01:04:30,452
who was the one
that introduced me to artists
1065
01:04:30,452 --> 01:04:32,887
and poets and writers
and sculptors.
1066
01:04:48,887 --> 01:04:50,514
And you would go
to the little dinners
1067
01:04:50,514 --> 01:04:52,726
in the local restaurants.
1068
01:04:52,726 --> 01:04:54,692
It became
a lovely little family.
1069
01:05:00,692 --> 01:05:03,862
And then I met Jimmy Baldwin,
fucking hell.
1070
01:05:03,862 --> 01:05:05,572
I met him at the Colombe d'Or.
1071
01:05:05,572 --> 01:05:06,905
I'd go to his house
1072
01:05:06,905 --> 01:05:09,742
and I realized how much
he loved Ray Charles.
1073
01:05:09,742 --> 01:05:11,244
And I didn't know a lot
about Ray Charles.
1074
01:05:11,244 --> 01:05:13,454
I'd seen a Ray Charles concert
1075
01:05:13,454 --> 01:05:16,166
with Keith and Charlie
in '64 in England.
1076
01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:17,458
I said to Jimmy, "Can I borrow
1077
01:05:17,458 --> 01:05:18,876
some of your Ray Charles'
records?"
1078
01:05:18,876 --> 01:05:20,210
He said, "Yeah."
1079
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:22,630
He said, "I'll bring them
up to your house."
1080
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:24,423
And, God,
over the next few days
1081
01:05:24,423 --> 01:05:26,717
I just played
Ray Charles nonstop
1082
01:05:26,717 --> 01:05:31,057
and he became my favorite
musician of the 20th century.
1083
01:05:33,057 --> 01:05:35,518
Then Andre Verde invited me
1084
01:05:35,518 --> 01:05:38,438
to go to Marc Chagall's house.
1085
01:05:38,438 --> 01:05:41,523
"You mean Marc Chagall,
the painter?"
1086
01:05:41,523 --> 01:05:42,193
He said, "Yeah, yeah."
1087
01:05:44,193 --> 01:05:46,114
He was absolutely wonderful.
1088
01:05:48,114 --> 01:05:52,117
He said, "Your long hair,
not original, change it."
1089
01:05:52,117 --> 01:05:54,329
I said, "But we were
the first band with long hair."
1090
01:05:54,329 --> 01:05:57,331
He said, "Oh, that's okay then.
Then you are the originals."
1091
01:05:59,125 --> 01:06:01,338
I was friends with him for the
last eight years of his life.
1092
01:06:04,338 --> 01:06:08,342
I got to know
the -- the simple way he lived.
1093
01:06:08,342 --> 01:06:10,512
You don't avoid
all them little things.
1094
01:06:10,512 --> 01:06:13,222
They're all part of living,
aren't they?
1095
01:06:13,222 --> 01:06:15,641
Of course, then you enjoy
the bigger things better
1096
01:06:15,641 --> 01:06:17,643
if you deal
with the little things.
1097
01:06:42,876 --> 01:06:44,795
So what's the purpose
of doing the tour?
1098
01:06:44,795 --> 01:06:46,806
Oh, I got fed up with gardening.
1099
01:06:54,806 --> 01:06:58,059
Oh, man, the Rolling Stones
are just it, you know.
1100
01:06:58,059 --> 01:06:59,019
What do you mean?
1101
01:07:00,019 --> 01:07:02,313
They're the greatest
rock and roll band in the world.
1102
01:07:02,313 --> 01:07:05,858
♪ Gold Coast slave ship
bound for cotton fields ♪
1103
01:07:05,858 --> 01:07:09,529
♪ Sold in the market
down in New Orleans ♪
1104
01:07:09,529 --> 01:07:13,490
♪ Scarred old slaver knows
he's doin' alright ♪
1105
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:17,831
♪ Hear him whip the women
just around midnight ♪
1106
01:07:19,831 --> 01:07:24,213
♪ Brown sugar
how come you taste so good? ♪
1107
01:07:27,213 --> 01:07:28,715
♪ Brown sugar ♪
1108
01:07:28,715 --> 01:07:31,550
♪ Just like a good boy should ♪
1109
01:07:31,550 --> 01:07:35,137
♪ Yeah yeah yeah woo ♪
1110
01:07:35,137 --> 01:07:38,646
♪ Just like a
just like a black boy should ♪♪
1111
01:07:55,032 --> 01:07:57,036
On a personal sense, Bill,
is it difficult
1112
01:07:58,036 --> 01:08:01,246
in -- in some respects
being a Rolling Stone
1113
01:08:01,246 --> 01:08:02,041
in terms
of -- of the pressure that --
1114
01:08:03,041 --> 01:08:05,085
That's difficult for a start,
but carry on.
1115
01:08:05,085 --> 01:08:06,835
In terms of the pressure
in the sense
1116
01:08:06,835 --> 01:08:09,260
that that brings on you
as an individual?
1117
01:08:15,260 --> 01:08:17,764
There's a lot of difficulties,
uh..
1118
01:08:17,764 --> 01:08:20,225
I think the main difficulty
in being a Rolling Stone
1119
01:08:20,225 --> 01:08:23,228
is to pursue
your other interests.
1120
01:08:26,105 --> 01:08:28,899
I did the first solo album
of a Stone in '73
1121
01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:30,122
called Monkey Grip.
1122
01:08:42,122 --> 01:08:45,625
♪ Good old monkey grip
monkey grip ♪
1123
01:08:45,625 --> 01:08:47,962
♪ Monkey grip monkey grip ♪♪
1124
01:08:48,962 --> 01:08:51,881
I was regarded as bass player
of the Rolling Stones.
1125
01:08:51,881 --> 01:08:53,966
I was not expected
to be anything else
1126
01:08:53,966 --> 01:08:55,845
or to do anything else.
1127
01:08:56,845 --> 01:08:58,721
You really had to go out there
1128
01:08:58,721 --> 01:09:00,810
and try to prove yourself.
1129
01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:05,936
You did an album back in '74
with Buddy Guy
1130
01:09:05,936 --> 01:09:07,439
uh, Buddy Guy and Junior Wells
1131
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,984
who were two of the original
Chicago Blues Brothers.
1132
01:09:10,984 --> 01:09:14,319
I was just asked to get
a rhythm section together
1133
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,488
to play with them
at the Montreux Jazz Festival
1134
01:09:16,488 --> 01:09:17,493
in Switzerland.
1135
01:09:20,493 --> 01:09:23,078
I got this phone call
from Claude Nobbs.
1136
01:09:23,078 --> 01:09:24,413
He said,
"I'd like to invite you
1137
01:09:24,413 --> 01:09:25,998
"to the Montreux Jazz Festival
1138
01:09:25,998 --> 01:09:27,250
"because I've got Muddy Waters
1139
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:28,626
"and he hasn't got
a band or anything.
1140
01:09:28,626 --> 01:09:29,918
"Do you think you could put
1141
01:09:29,918 --> 01:09:31,628
a little rhythm section
together?"
1142
01:09:31,628 --> 01:09:34,632
We just loaded up,
and I drove to Switzerland.
1143
01:09:35,632 --> 01:09:37,720
♪ Gonna make pretty women ♪
1144
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,515
♪ Jump and shout ♪
1145
01:09:43,515 --> 01:09:45,935
♪ Then the world wanna know ♪
1146
01:09:46,935 --> 01:09:49,229
♪ What's this all about ♪
1147
01:09:49,229 --> 01:09:51,528
♪ But they'll know I'm here ♪
1148
01:09:55,528 --> 01:09:58,699
♪ Everybody knows I'm here ♪♪
1149
01:10:00,699 --> 01:10:03,536
Buddy Guy and Junior Wells
are sittin' on the side
1150
01:10:03,536 --> 01:10:07,041
listenin' to us and Buddy says,
"Can you be our support band?"
1151
01:10:08,041 --> 01:10:09,542
I said, "Yeah, yeah."
1152
01:10:09,542 --> 01:10:13,715
♪ The thing that I think
I would do ♪
1153
01:10:15,715 --> 01:10:19,903
♪ Ooh no one will never know ♪♪
1154
01:10:36,903 --> 01:10:39,154
We went there
to back up Muddy Waters.
1155
01:10:39,154 --> 01:10:42,951
So I needed that bass player
to fill every missed note
1156
01:10:42,951 --> 01:10:44,493
which I still do.
1157
01:10:44,493 --> 01:10:48,247
Every note I missed, I wanted
him to...fill in for me
1158
01:10:48,247 --> 01:10:51,583
'cause I was missin'
a lot of notes back then.
1159
01:10:51,583 --> 01:10:56,296
Somebody like him can get
the word out faster than I can.
1160
01:10:56,296 --> 01:10:58,257
People still look at those guys
1161
01:10:58,257 --> 01:11:02,302
as the greatest rock and roll
band that ever played.
1162
01:11:13,148 --> 01:11:16,067
Glyn Johns rings up and says,
"Bill, are you interested
1163
01:11:16,067 --> 01:11:18,110
in doing a session tomorrow
for me?"
1164
01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:20,613
He says, "I need you
to play with Howlin' Wolf."
1165
01:11:20,613 --> 01:11:23,408
I went, "What? Howlin' Wolf?
1166
01:11:23,408 --> 01:11:25,076
Bloody hell, put me in.
Who else is on?"
1167
01:11:25,076 --> 01:11:26,453
And he says,
"Well, I've got Charlie."
1168
01:11:26,453 --> 01:11:28,287
And I thought, "Oh, fantastic."
1169
01:11:28,287 --> 01:11:31,623
"And Eric Clapton.
It will be the three of you."
1170
01:11:31,623 --> 01:11:34,877
I went, "Oh, God almighty.
I'd love it, yes."
1171
01:11:34,877 --> 01:11:37,465
♪ Well I got
a little red rooster ♪
1172
01:11:38,465 --> 01:11:42,969
♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪
1173
01:11:42,969 --> 01:11:45,305
And so I went down the next day
1174
01:11:45,305 --> 01:11:49,141
met up with everybody
and said hello to Wolf.
1175
01:11:49,141 --> 01:11:52,520
Bloody hell.
I was saying hello to my hero.
1176
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,064
Alright, let -- let everybody
get together then
1177
01:11:55,064 --> 01:11:56,358
and we'll try to make it.
1178
01:11:56,358 --> 01:11:59,152
Wolf had a voice
that, uh, nobody else had.
1179
01:11:59,152 --> 01:12:02,363
Oh, man, come on, he..
1180
01:12:02,363 --> 01:12:04,282
He ain't got nothin' to do
but count off.
1181
01:12:04,282 --> 01:12:06,827
Alright, let's get on it.
1182
01:12:07,827 --> 01:12:11,997
It was wonderful to do it
with Wolf and meet his family.
1183
01:12:11,997 --> 01:12:14,167
He was a lovely man,
he was so gentle.
1184
01:12:14,167 --> 01:12:15,542
He was this gentle giant.
1185
01:12:15,542 --> 01:12:18,880
He was terrifying to look at
and to be around.
1186
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,006
Those moments are there
to be caught.
1187
01:12:21,006 --> 01:12:23,804
But you're bloody lucky
most times if you catch 'em.
1188
01:12:25,804 --> 01:12:28,942
♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪♪
1189
01:12:38,942 --> 01:12:40,694
We got the message
from the office
1190
01:12:40,694 --> 01:12:43,279
that Mick Taylor said
I've left.
1191
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,032
Fuck, now we were just
gonna start recording.
1192
01:12:46,032 --> 01:12:48,286
We haven't got a fucking
guitar player, you know.
1193
01:12:50,286 --> 01:12:51,871
Tune up room session.
1194
01:12:51,871 --> 01:12:53,372
Ah!
1195
01:12:56,376 --> 01:13:00,546
♪ Baby baby
I've been so sad ♪
1196
01:13:00,546 --> 01:13:05,135
It finally came down to trying
to borrow Woody for the tour.
1197
01:13:05,135 --> 01:13:06,677
Borrowing him from the Faces.
1198
01:13:06,677 --> 01:13:08,595
♪ Where you do belong ♪
1199
01:13:08,595 --> 01:13:11,599
He was a nice catalyst
between me and Charlie
1200
01:13:11,599 --> 01:13:13,810
and Keith and Mick.
1201
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:17,479
Ronnie was like the clown that
sort of linked it all together.
1202
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,733
♪ If I ever get back
to Fun City ♪
1203
01:13:19,733 --> 01:13:23,863
♪ Girl I'm gonna make you
scream all night ♪♪
1204
01:13:24,863 --> 01:13:26,739
What is it
after so many years of touring
1205
01:13:26,739 --> 01:13:28,037
that -- that keeps you going?
1206
01:13:33,037 --> 01:13:35,539
I don't know.
Just playing together.
1207
01:13:35,539 --> 01:13:38,542
All -- all the memories
and all the places, the people.
1208
01:13:38,542 --> 01:13:40,502
Uh, I can't --
I can't explain it.
1209
01:13:40,502 --> 01:13:42,046
It's just good
to get on the stage
1210
01:13:42,046 --> 01:13:44,298
and play in front of people
who wanna listen to you.
1211
01:14:18,041 --> 01:14:20,002
♪ Mama and papa told me
I was crazy to stay ♪
1212
01:14:21,002 --> 01:14:23,630
♪ I was a fag in New York
I was gay ♪♪
1213
01:14:23,630 --> 01:14:28,134
In July '78,
I tripped on some cables
1214
01:14:28,134 --> 01:14:30,011
and fell about 6 or 7 feet
with my guitar
1215
01:14:31,011 --> 01:14:32,555
and was knocked out.
1216
01:14:32,555 --> 01:14:34,349
Everybody else had gone
1217
01:14:34,349 --> 01:14:37,351
and then suddenly realized
that I was nowhere around.
1218
01:14:37,351 --> 01:14:39,645
So people came back
and just saw my silver boots
1219
01:14:39,645 --> 01:14:42,231
stickin' out
through the curtain.
1220
01:14:42,231 --> 01:14:45,568
And for the rest of that tour,
I had to play
1221
01:14:45,568 --> 01:14:48,126
with two central fingers
strapped up.
1222
01:15:01,126 --> 01:15:03,627
'81, we toured America.
1223
01:15:03,627 --> 01:15:05,587
Massive tour of America,
it was wonderful.
1224
01:15:19,019 --> 01:15:21,270
'82, we toured Europe.
1225
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:24,899
Same thing.
Also massive and wonderful.
1226
01:15:24,899 --> 01:15:27,068
♪ I've been holding out
so long ♪
1227
01:15:27,068 --> 01:15:29,362
♪ I've been sleeping
all alone ♪
1228
01:15:29,362 --> 01:15:30,871
♪ Girl I miss you ♪♪
1229
01:15:37,871 --> 01:15:40,206
And then nothing happened.
1230
01:15:40,206 --> 01:15:41,541
Mick and Keith started arguing
1231
01:15:41,541 --> 01:15:43,917
and fighting about
God knows what.
1232
01:15:43,917 --> 01:15:46,212
We never played a gig
for seven years.
1233
01:15:46,212 --> 01:15:49,923
In the meantime, I started
to look out for myself.
1234
01:16:16,826 --> 01:16:19,828
Great, let's break
and, uh, have some tea
1235
01:16:19,828 --> 01:16:22,122
and then we'll come up
and listen to it again
all the way through, shall we?
1236
01:16:22,122 --> 01:16:24,585
That's good.
That sounds really good to me.
1237
01:16:25,585 --> 01:16:28,880
Everybody wants to do a solo
album, but not seriously.
1238
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,925
So I sat down
and, uh, started writin'.
1239
01:16:31,925 --> 01:16:33,717
I -- I made up
little cassettes at home
1240
01:16:33,717 --> 01:16:35,011
on this terrible
little tape recorder I've got
1241
01:16:36,011 --> 01:16:39,474
not a ReVox
or anything sophisticated.
1242
01:16:39,474 --> 01:16:42,060
When I did "Je Suis Un Rock
Star," everything went crazy.
1243
01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:44,104
♪ Je suis un rock star ♪
1244
01:16:44,104 --> 01:16:46,146
♪ Je avais un residence ♪
1245
01:16:46,146 --> 01:16:48,565
♪ Je habiter la ♪
1246
01:16:48,565 --> 01:16:50,777
♪ A la south of France ♪
1247
01:16:50,777 --> 01:16:52,945
♪ Voulez vous ♪
1248
01:16:52,945 --> 01:16:54,613
♪ Partir with me? ♪
1249
01:16:54,613 --> 01:16:58,744
♪ And come and rester la
with me in France ♪
1250
01:17:00,744 --> 01:17:03,288
Playing the single now.
1251
01:17:03,288 --> 01:17:06,792
That is Bill Wyman, "Si, Si,
Chay Suis Un Rock Star."
1252
01:17:06,792 --> 01:17:08,293
Am I saying that right, Bill?
1253
01:17:08,293 --> 01:17:11,756
"Je Suis Un Rock Star."
I am a rock star, yeah.
1254
01:17:11,756 --> 01:17:16,136
I don't believe it.
I mean, I'm not serious.
1255
01:17:16,136 --> 01:17:18,805
Currently in Europe,
your single is, uh
1256
01:17:18,805 --> 01:17:21,306
in the top ten, right?
In -- In England?
1257
01:17:21,306 --> 01:17:23,685
Yeah, it's gone top 15
in every country so far
1258
01:17:23,685 --> 01:17:25,145
and I'm really pleased with it.
1259
01:17:25,145 --> 01:17:29,064
I'm very naively excited
about having a hit record
1260
01:17:29,064 --> 01:17:31,609
just like I was in '63
with the Stones.
1261
01:17:31,609 --> 01:17:33,819
It's -- it's like Christmas.
1262
01:17:33,819 --> 01:17:36,698
♪ Je avais un residence ♪♪
1263
01:17:36,698 --> 01:17:38,283
Tell me, Bill, is it different
1264
01:17:38,283 --> 01:17:39,951
when a superstar goes
to the men's room
1265
01:17:39,951 --> 01:17:42,119
than for your average
ordinary person?
1266
01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:44,497
Um, yeah.
1267
01:17:44,497 --> 01:17:46,582
What's the difference?
1268
01:17:46,582 --> 01:17:48,837
- You have a super pee.
- Super pee.
1269
01:17:55,382 --> 01:17:57,886
Everybody thought
that our life was so romantic
1270
01:17:57,886 --> 01:17:59,679
and wonderful and exciting
and all that.
1271
01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:02,724
It was for two hours,
if you were on stage.
1272
01:18:02,724 --> 01:18:05,856
The rest of the time
was boredom.
1273
01:18:10,856 --> 01:18:14,030
It's very difficult
to keep your sanity, actually.
1274
01:18:18,030 --> 01:18:19,615
You moved away
from all your friends.
1275
01:18:19,615 --> 01:18:20,824
You were always traveling.
1276
01:18:20,824 --> 01:18:22,702
You're always on the road,
you know.
1277
01:18:22,702 --> 01:18:24,703
So it's forever changin'.
1278
01:18:24,703 --> 01:18:27,631
Nothing's kind of permanent.
1279
01:18:34,631 --> 01:18:36,675
There was no time.
1280
01:18:36,675 --> 01:18:38,551
I mean,
you looked around suddenly
1281
01:18:38,551 --> 01:18:42,596
and you hadn't seen
your cousin Peter for two years
1282
01:18:42,596 --> 01:18:45,016
and even brothers and sisters
you almost lose touch with
1283
01:18:46,016 --> 01:18:48,240
because you're -- you're livin'
in a different world.
1284
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,536
I got this invite
to go to this event
1285
01:19:04,536 --> 01:19:07,666
and there was all these people
dancing in the front.
1286
01:19:09,666 --> 01:19:13,086
I saw this beautiful girl
with her hair up.
1287
01:19:13,086 --> 01:19:16,761
I spoke to her and found
her name was Mandy Smith.
1288
01:19:21,761 --> 01:19:24,389
It was from the heart.
It wasn't from, like, lust
1289
01:19:24,389 --> 01:19:27,774
or anything like that
which people was seeing it as.
1290
01:19:38,278 --> 01:19:41,072
Bill, were you in any way,
were you in any way hesitant
1291
01:19:41,072 --> 01:19:44,074
having been a bachelor boy
for so long
1292
01:19:44,074 --> 01:19:45,743
or free -- free spirit
for so long
1293
01:19:45,743 --> 01:19:47,328
were you very hesitant about
1294
01:19:47,328 --> 01:19:49,997
taking the months
of marriage again?
1295
01:19:49,997 --> 01:19:51,541
No, I always thought
she was the right girl
1296
01:19:51,541 --> 01:19:53,960
from the moment I met her,
but it was just the wrong time.
1297
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,587
She was too young.
1298
01:19:55,587 --> 01:19:58,631
I thought she had to go out
and see life a bit
1299
01:19:58,631 --> 01:20:00,925
before she could make
that kind of a decision.
1300
01:20:00,925 --> 01:20:03,302
He is the rebel Rolling Stone
1301
01:20:03,302 --> 01:20:05,137
but their wedding blessing
today
1302
01:20:05,137 --> 01:20:07,390
could not have been
more traditional.
1303
01:20:07,390 --> 01:20:09,475
They both said
they wouldn't feel married
1304
01:20:09,475 --> 01:20:11,810
without the formalities
of a church service.
1305
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:14,149
And those they had,
right down to the confettis.
1306
01:20:17,149 --> 01:20:18,734
When we first met each other,
actually.
1307
01:20:18,734 --> 01:20:21,112
When, like, years ago,
we wanted to get married
1308
01:20:21,112 --> 01:20:22,988
but obviously we couldn't.
1309
01:20:22,988 --> 01:20:24,865
The things work out in the end
if they're right
1310
01:20:24,865 --> 01:20:26,826
and we always thought
it was right since the beginning
1311
01:20:26,826 --> 01:20:28,332
and, uh, here we are.
1312
01:20:33,332 --> 01:20:37,341
I was really stupid to ever
think it could possibly work.
1313
01:20:41,341 --> 01:20:44,594
Two sad marriages, really
1314
01:20:44,594 --> 01:20:47,689
and I decided it was time
I got my fucking life in order.
1315
01:20:56,689 --> 01:21:01,819
Five, four, three, two, one.
1316
01:21:01,819 --> 01:21:03,570
Fire.
1317
01:21:04,988 --> 01:21:07,617
♪ Start me up ♪
1318
01:21:07,617 --> 01:21:09,202
♪ If you start me up
I'll never stop ♪
1319
01:21:09,202 --> 01:21:12,372
We hadn't played one show
from '82 to '89.
1320
01:21:12,372 --> 01:21:14,207
So it was
a coming together again
1321
01:21:14,207 --> 01:21:16,211
but I saw it as a grand finale.
1322
01:21:18,211 --> 01:21:20,130
We did five Wembley Stadiums
1323
01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:22,760
we did six Shea Stadiums
in New York.
1324
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,804
We went to Japan
for the first time.
1325
01:21:27,804 --> 01:21:30,890
We played the Tokyo Dome,
45,000 people
1326
01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:33,393
ten shows one after the other.
1327
01:21:33,393 --> 01:21:35,603
It was fantastic.
1328
01:21:43,403 --> 01:21:45,364
♪ I can't get no ♪
1329
01:21:47,364 --> 01:21:50,076
In Prague,
we played to 130,000 people
1330
01:21:50,076 --> 01:21:54,204
because they came from Poland
and Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
1331
01:21:54,204 --> 01:21:56,416
All in all, those three tours
1332
01:21:56,416 --> 01:21:58,752
we played 120 shows
1333
01:21:58,752 --> 01:22:02,255
seven and a quarter
million people.
1334
01:22:02,255 --> 01:22:03,006
It was extraordinary.
1335
01:22:04,006 --> 01:22:07,926
♪ Supposed to fire
my imagination ♪
1336
01:22:07,926 --> 01:22:09,264
♪ I can't get no ♪♪
1337
01:22:11,264 --> 01:22:13,557
We finished that tour.
1338
01:22:13,557 --> 01:22:15,225
I just sat back
1339
01:22:15,225 --> 01:22:18,104
and I thought this is
a nice time to end my career
1340
01:22:18,104 --> 01:22:20,403
with the Rolling Stones,
on a big high.
1341
01:22:25,403 --> 01:22:26,988
So I left.
1342
01:22:30,824 --> 01:22:33,118
All those 31 years
with the band
1343
01:22:33,118 --> 01:22:35,788
I -- I absolutely loved
what we did
1344
01:22:35,788 --> 01:22:38,332
loved what we achieved.
1345
01:22:38,332 --> 01:22:43,945
But I needed to sort out
my personal life and my future.
1346
01:23:07,945 --> 01:23:10,239
There's a very happy bird
up there.
1347
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:37,399
It's fantastic.
1348
01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:46,360
They're really cute
little butterflies.
1349
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:52,114
♪ Love is such
a wonderful thing ♪
1350
01:23:52,114 --> 01:23:55,409
♪ When you need it ♪
1351
01:23:55,409 --> 01:23:57,662
♪ Look around for it ♪
1352
01:23:57,662 --> 01:24:00,873
♪ Love is such
a wonderful thing ♪♪
1353
01:24:00,873 --> 01:24:02,458
Go on, you go.
1354
01:24:02,458 --> 01:24:04,543
You've got a better memory
than me on those days.
1355
01:24:04,543 --> 01:24:06,796
- Oh, yeah. Why?
- The romantic moments.
1356
01:24:06,796 --> 01:24:08,881
Yeah, why do you forget
all the romantic moments?
1357
01:24:08,881 --> 01:24:10,591
I do. I -- I remember
all the other stuff.
1358
01:24:10,591 --> 01:24:12,886
You remember all the facts,
but you forget
all the romantic moments.
1359
01:24:12,886 --> 01:24:14,054
Yeah.
1360
01:24:14,054 --> 01:24:16,722
Suzanne and I met in 1979
1361
01:24:16,722 --> 01:24:21,603
and she became the inspiration
for "Je Suis Un Rock Star."
1362
01:24:21,603 --> 01:24:24,564
- Can you see me in there?
- Can you say famous?
1363
01:24:24,564 --> 01:24:25,564
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1364
01:24:25,564 --> 01:24:26,568
Hi.
1365
01:24:28,568 --> 01:24:30,403
We are cliche.
1366
01:24:30,403 --> 01:24:33,405
I was a model,
he was a musician.
1367
01:24:33,405 --> 01:24:36,158
He was with a photographer,
I was quite bored at the party
1368
01:24:36,158 --> 01:24:39,953
and I thought
I should probably go up
and talk to this photographer.
1369
01:24:39,953 --> 01:24:42,873
And Bill started to chat me up
1370
01:24:42,873 --> 01:24:45,417
and I started to -- to talk
about music
1371
01:24:45,417 --> 01:24:48,253
askin' him why
he was so interested in music.
1372
01:24:48,253 --> 01:24:50,345
And I felt kind of bad
that I didn't recognize him.
1373
01:24:55,345 --> 01:24:56,305
And that's Matilda.
1374
01:24:58,305 --> 01:24:59,974
We got you.
1375
01:24:59,974 --> 01:25:01,018
Can we use your paintbrushes?
1376
01:25:02,018 --> 01:25:03,774
I guess so.
It's a bit late now, isn't it?
1377
01:25:08,774 --> 01:25:11,569
Oh, we'll have to get
these eggs.
1378
01:25:11,569 --> 01:25:16,115
When we decided to get married,
it was to have a family.
1379
01:25:16,115 --> 01:25:18,327
He wanted to start life
over again.
1380
01:25:19,327 --> 01:25:21,453
He just wanted to have
a normal life.
1381
01:25:21,453 --> 01:25:24,623
He wanted to be able
to walk down the street
1382
01:25:24,623 --> 01:25:27,460
and be able to go
to a movie theater
1383
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:28,877
without being bothered.
1384
01:25:28,877 --> 01:25:30,755
He just wanted to know
what that felt like.
1385
01:25:30,755 --> 01:25:32,966
Yeah, so.. Shh.
1386
01:25:41,181 --> 01:25:44,020
When we got married
and when we had the kids
1387
01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:47,814
it gave him time.
1388
01:25:47,814 --> 01:25:50,149
I think time is his foundation
1389
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:52,109
and he wants to use
all this time
1390
01:25:52,109 --> 01:25:54,948
in a very productive way.
1391
01:25:56,948 --> 01:25:59,324
He just has this need
1392
01:25:59,324 --> 01:26:04,329
to almost relive
what he experienced
1393
01:26:04,329 --> 01:26:07,250
and put it
in some sort of order
1394
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:10,471
and find out who he really was
and what he'd gone through.
1395
01:26:20,471 --> 01:26:24,184
So he started to dig out
the old boxes
1396
01:26:24,184 --> 01:26:26,854
scannin' things..
1397
01:26:27,854 --> 01:26:29,898
...and really started
to look at it
1398
01:26:29,898 --> 01:26:32,734
as a life's work ahead of him
1399
01:26:32,734 --> 01:26:35,779
that he had to complete.
1400
01:26:35,779 --> 01:26:38,864
I think when he works on the
archive, it inspires him.
1401
01:26:38,864 --> 01:26:41,117
It's almost like
he has a treasure
1402
01:26:41,117 --> 01:26:43,378
and he wants to share it
with someone else.
1403
01:26:59,927 --> 01:27:02,055
And I decided
to play music again.
1404
01:27:07,226 --> 01:27:09,729
Forming the Rhythm Kings
enabled me to play
1405
01:27:09,729 --> 01:27:12,690
with a whole variety
of wonderful musicians
1406
01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:16,069
and dig into the roots
of -- of music
1407
01:27:16,069 --> 01:27:18,863
finding a lot of early stuff
1408
01:27:18,863 --> 01:27:21,865
which had been forgotten about
and reviving it.
1409
01:27:45,015 --> 01:27:46,932
Do you mind, sir,
putting that down?
1410
01:27:46,932 --> 01:27:48,935
We can't have that
going on here.
1411
01:28:00,822 --> 01:28:05,076
The atmosphere on the bus,
it's like, uh, it's a family.
1412
01:28:05,076 --> 01:28:06,994
He likes being around players.
1413
01:28:06,994 --> 01:28:09,372
He likes the jokes.
1414
01:28:09,372 --> 01:28:11,430
All his life,
he's been a working player.
1415
01:28:26,430 --> 01:28:30,476
Bill is the kind of artist
who wants to do the music
1416
01:28:30,476 --> 01:28:31,895
but he doesn't necessarily
have to have
1417
01:28:31,895 --> 01:28:33,813
all the adulation for it.
1418
01:28:33,813 --> 01:28:36,610
He's playing his music
for himself.
1419
01:28:39,610 --> 01:28:43,989
You have to have that courage
to take that other road
1420
01:28:43,989 --> 01:28:45,492
to be yourself,
to find yourself
1421
01:28:45,492 --> 01:28:48,161
because you can get lost
in this road to stardom.
1422
01:28:48,161 --> 01:28:50,329
I mean, you really can,
and that's all you have
1423
01:28:50,329 --> 01:28:53,207
and then maybe at the end
of your life, you're like
1424
01:28:53,207 --> 01:28:56,336
"Wow, I wish I had,
you know, taken a few moments
1425
01:28:56,336 --> 01:28:58,005
to stop and smell the roses."
1426
01:28:59,005 --> 01:29:00,840
And I don't think that
Bill will ever say that.
1427
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,844
I think he has been able to not
only smell them but name them.
1428
01:29:16,355 --> 01:29:19,192
To have gone through
that life experience
1429
01:29:19,192 --> 01:29:24,363
and still be very rooted,
really the child of the 1940s
1430
01:29:24,363 --> 01:29:26,868
I mean, you're looking
at old England with this guy.
1431
01:29:28,868 --> 01:29:31,453
People only really
get bothered by fame
1432
01:29:31,453 --> 01:29:34,832
or it disturbs them is
when they start acting famous.
1433
01:29:34,832 --> 01:29:37,716
I don't think Bill
ever started acting famous.
1434
01:29:42,716 --> 01:29:45,092
I can get by on things we do
1435
01:29:45,092 --> 01:29:47,886
and, uh,
some better than average
1436
01:29:47,886 --> 01:29:50,140
better than some
and worse than some.
1437
01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:51,890
But, uh, you can always learn
1438
01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:54,020
and you never become as good
as you'd like to.
1439
01:29:55,020 --> 01:29:57,814
I don't think,
no matter what you play.
1440
01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:04,904
♪ Georgia Georgia ♪
1441
01:30:04,904 --> 01:30:07,407
Ray Charles was playing
at the South Bank.
1442
01:30:07,407 --> 01:30:10,326
And halfway through the concert,
Ray Charles decides to do
1443
01:30:10,326 --> 01:30:12,453
"Georgia On My Mind"
on the piano
1444
01:30:12,453 --> 01:30:15,582
and he dismisses the band
and the Raylettes and everyone
1445
01:30:15,582 --> 01:30:19,293
and he's by himself
on the stage, and he starts..
1446
01:30:19,293 --> 01:30:22,881
♪ Georgia da da da Georgia ♪
1447
01:30:22,881 --> 01:30:25,466
And it was so emotional.
1448
01:30:25,466 --> 01:30:30,346
The whole audience,
4000 people in tears.
1449
01:30:30,346 --> 01:30:31,847
With Ray Charles,
and I thought
1450
01:30:31,847 --> 01:30:34,600
"No one, no one
1451
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,770
gets an audience like that,
you know, except him."
1452
01:30:37,770 --> 01:30:42,524
It was amazing. And, uh, anyway,
the concert finished.
1453
01:30:42,524 --> 01:30:45,529
See, I get emotional
because it was so fantastic.
1454
01:30:46,529 --> 01:30:49,282
It finished, and the people,
and my friends said
1455
01:30:49,282 --> 01:30:52,118
"Can we go backstage
and meet him?" And I went..
1456
01:30:53,536 --> 01:30:55,622
I said, "Musicians, they don't
really like people
1457
01:30:55,622 --> 01:30:57,457
"coming backstage when
they've just come offstage.
1458
01:30:57,457 --> 01:30:59,708
"They're exhausted, and they're
tired, and they're sweaty
1459
01:30:59,708 --> 01:31:02,712
and they just wanna have a break
and all that."
1460
01:31:02,712 --> 01:31:04,546
So I said,
"No, I'd rather not."
1461
01:31:04,546 --> 01:31:07,132
They said, "Alright, but just
stay here until the audience go
1462
01:31:07,132 --> 01:31:09,011
and then we can go
quieter out."
1463
01:31:10,011 --> 01:31:12,639
While we were waiting there,
someone came
1464
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:15,850
from backstage,
and they came over and said, um
1465
01:31:15,850 --> 01:31:18,479
"Mr. Charles knows you're here
and he wants to invite you."
1466
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,149
Because you admire him
more than any other musician
1467
01:31:23,149 --> 01:31:24,859
don't you, yeah?
1468
01:31:29,698 --> 01:31:33,663
You know, it was,
it was a fantastic moment.
1469
01:31:37,663 --> 01:31:39,458
- Just wait a minute.
- It's okay.
1470
01:31:41,458 --> 01:31:43,671
Ah! Leave it a minute.
1471
01:31:44,671 --> 01:31:46,716
So..
1472
01:31:47,716 --> 01:31:49,137
Yeah, he, uh..
1473
01:31:53,137 --> 01:31:56,145
We went backstage and met him.
1474
01:32:00,145 --> 01:32:03,734
He was...fantastic.
1475
01:32:05,734 --> 01:32:08,278
- I can't do it, sorry.
- Anyhow, they asked him..
1476
01:32:08,278 --> 01:32:12,865
Ray Charles asked him
if he would play
on his next album and --
1477
01:32:12,865 --> 01:32:15,076
- And I chickened out.
- He just said how could I --
1478
01:32:15,076 --> 01:32:17,203
I said, "I'm not good enough."
1479
01:32:17,203 --> 01:32:19,041
That's what he.. Yeah.
1480
01:32:21,041 --> 01:32:22,001
You just, well, you didn't
say it to his face --
1481
01:32:23,001 --> 01:32:24,293
- I did.
- Did you really?
1482
01:32:24,293 --> 01:32:25,295
- Yeah.
- Oh, my God.
1483
01:32:25,295 --> 01:32:26,628
I didn't know that.
1484
01:32:26,628 --> 01:32:28,088
- Yeah.
- And what did he say?
1485
01:32:28,088 --> 01:32:31,885
He was, we -- we spent half
an hour in his dressing room.
1486
01:32:31,885 --> 01:32:33,387
He's absolutely fantastic.
1487
01:32:35,387 --> 01:32:36,057
And then he said that.
1488
01:32:38,057 --> 01:32:39,684
He said, "Would you like to play
on my next album?"
1489
01:32:39,684 --> 01:32:42,730
I said, "I'm not good enough."
1490
01:32:44,730 --> 01:32:47,110
♪ Just an old sweet song ♪
1491
01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:53,655
♪ Keeps Georgia on my mind ♪♪
1492
01:32:53,655 --> 01:32:55,742
Almost every bass player
I've ever met
1493
01:32:55,742 --> 01:32:59,537
is always a big guy
with huge hands.
1494
01:32:59,537 --> 01:33:01,413
When I was a little boy,
you know
1495
01:33:01,413 --> 01:33:04,417
all my heroes
were the little guys.
1496
01:33:04,417 --> 01:33:06,586
I think there's something
about being the little guy
1497
01:33:06,586 --> 01:33:09,506
you always wanna prove
that you can still do it
1498
01:33:09,506 --> 01:33:11,757
against the big guys
1499
01:33:11,757 --> 01:33:13,967
and that's the drive.
1500
01:33:13,967 --> 01:33:16,429
And it's been my drive
all my life.
1501
01:33:21,518 --> 01:33:23,939
You make your own way,
don't you?
1502
01:33:25,939 --> 01:33:29,618
You just head in directions
that you think are good
at the time.
1503
01:33:38,618 --> 01:33:40,161
Something magical happened.
1504
01:33:40,161 --> 01:33:43,376
Something unusual.
Something rare.
1505
01:33:46,376 --> 01:33:49,878
Which shouldn't have really
happened to a working-class boy
1506
01:33:49,878 --> 01:33:53,216
from South London,
and it's bizarre.
1507
01:33:53,216 --> 01:33:55,140
It's a bizarre life I've had.
1508
01:34:00,140 --> 01:34:04,365
Bill Wyman.
I play bass...guitar.
1509
01:34:18,365 --> 01:34:20,671
I think we're done here,
aren't we?
1510
01:34:49,564 --> 01:34:51,524
♪ Tell you a secret ♪
1511
01:34:51,524 --> 01:34:53,027
♪ You gotta keep it hid ♪
1512
01:34:54,027 --> 01:34:56,195
♪ Tell you about a woman ♪
1513
01:34:56,195 --> 01:34:58,489
♪ And the things she did ♪
1514
01:34:58,489 --> 01:35:00,699
♪ She took my money ♪
1515
01:35:00,699 --> 01:35:02,827
♪ And she took my pride ♪
1516
01:35:02,827 --> 01:35:04,037
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1517
01:35:05,037 --> 01:35:07,211
♪ I got nothing to hide ♪
1518
01:35:11,211 --> 01:35:13,925
♪ Because I'm moving on
down the line ♪
1519
01:35:16,925 --> 01:35:19,719
♪ I'm gonna leave
that no-good woman ♪
1520
01:35:19,719 --> 01:35:22,557
♪ Get that devil woman
off my mind ♪
1521
01:35:25,557 --> 01:35:27,060
♪ I'll take
the moonlight special ♪
1522
01:35:27,060 --> 01:35:30,063
♪ Moonlight special ♪
♪ Gonna do it right ♪
1523
01:35:30,063 --> 01:35:32,231
♪ Yeah the moonlight special ♪
♪ Moonlight special ♪
1524
01:35:32,231 --> 01:35:34,818
♪ And travel overnight ♪
1525
01:35:34,818 --> 01:35:37,069
♪ I'm going up the country ♪
♪ I'm going up the country ♪
1526
01:35:37,069 --> 01:35:39,988
♪ Where I can't be found ♪
1527
01:35:39,988 --> 01:35:44,579
♪ Find a hideaway and keep
my ear close to the ground ♪
1528
01:35:47,579 --> 01:35:49,127
♪ Yes I'm moving on
down the line ♪
1529
01:35:53,127 --> 01:35:55,963
♪ I'm gonna leave
that no-good woman ♪
1530
01:35:55,963 --> 01:35:59,759
♪ Get that devil woman
off my mind ♪
1531
01:35:59,759 --> 01:36:01,399
♪ Aww tell me ♪
1532
01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:17,777
♪ She's a mean mistreater ♪
♪ Mean mistreater ♪
1533
01:36:17,777 --> 01:36:20,070
♪ And she treat me bad ♪
♪ Treat me bad ♪
1534
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:21,155
♪ She's a robber
and a cheater ♪
1535
01:36:21,155 --> 01:36:22,448
♪ Robber and a cheater ♪
1536
01:36:22,448 --> 01:36:24,701
♪ She's got me mad ♪
♪ Got me mad ♪
1537
01:36:24,701 --> 01:36:26,037
♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪
♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪
1538
01:36:27,037 --> 01:36:29,079
♪ Right out of my mind ♪
♪ Right out of my mind ♪
1539
01:36:29,079 --> 01:36:31,791
♪ I'm gonna leave that woman ♪
♪ Gonna leave that woman ♪
1540
01:36:31,791 --> 01:36:34,630
♪ Leave that woman way behind ♪
1541
01:36:37,630 --> 01:36:40,177
♪ 'Cause I'm moving on
down the line ♪
1542
01:36:43,177 --> 01:36:45,014
♪ I'm gonna leave
that no-good woman ♪
1543
01:36:46,014 --> 01:36:48,644
♪ Get that devil woman
off my mind ♪
1544
01:36:51,644 --> 01:36:54,104
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1545
01:36:54,104 --> 01:36:56,315
♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪
1546
01:36:56,315 --> 01:36:58,150
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1547
01:36:58,150 --> 01:37:00,694
♪ Ooh about the things
she did ♪
1548
01:37:00,694 --> 01:37:02,905
♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪
1549
01:37:02,905 --> 01:37:05,824
♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪
1550
01:37:05,824 --> 01:37:08,662
Shh.
1551
01:37:10,662 --> 01:37:12,085
♪ Early in the morning
about the break of day ♪
1552
01:37:15,085 --> 01:37:17,463
♪ That's when
my baby ran away ♪
1553
01:37:19,463 --> 01:37:21,051
♪ Crying and pleading
won't do no good ♪
1554
01:37:24,051 --> 01:37:26,430
♪ Come back baby
I wish you would ♪
1555
01:37:28,430 --> 01:37:30,766
♪ I love you girl
I can't help myself ♪
1556
01:37:30,766 --> 01:37:34,020
♪ Oh aah ♪
1557
01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:36,189
♪ Go ♪
1558
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:38,484
♪ Yeah ♪
1559
01:37:39,484 --> 01:37:40,238
♪ Oh ♪♪
1560
01:37:43,238 --> 01:37:44,948
Goodnight.
1561
01:37:44,948 --> 01:37:47,199
Everyone,
this is Rhythm Kings.
1562
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:48,868
Goodnight to you all.
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