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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,257 --> 00:00:51,091 Shall we do a mic test, Bill? 2 00:00:51,091 --> 00:00:53,219 Well, I'll just talk about that loud, don't I? 3 00:00:53,219 --> 00:00:54,554 Not much louder. 4 00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:56,015 It looks like it's got quite a good level there. 5 00:00:57,015 --> 00:00:59,225 Bouncin' about. 6 00:00:59,225 --> 00:01:01,061 Yep. 7 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:02,858 Here we go. 8 00:01:17,410 --> 00:01:19,078 Play simple. 9 00:01:19,078 --> 00:01:22,042 You're leavin' space and holes for people to fill in. 10 00:01:24,042 --> 00:01:26,296 Not to get in the way. Not to be really noticed. 11 00:01:28,296 --> 00:01:29,631 'Cause if you did the right thing 12 00:01:29,631 --> 00:01:31,257 you don't get noticed. 13 00:01:31,257 --> 00:01:33,929 And that's the way I play. Very simple. 14 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:39,432 I am Charlie Watts. I am the drummer. 15 00:01:39,432 --> 00:01:42,727 I'm Brian Jones, the guitarist and harmonica player. 16 00:01:42,727 --> 00:01:44,854 Keith Richards, guitar. 17 00:01:44,854 --> 00:01:48,274 Mick Jagger, s.. I sing...songs. 18 00:01:48,274 --> 00:01:52,861 Bill Wyman. I play bass...guitar. 19 00:02:07,584 --> 00:02:09,461 ♪ I see a red door ♪ 20 00:02:09,461 --> 00:02:13,550 ♪ And I want it painted black ♪ 21 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:15,801 ♪ No colors anymore ♪ 22 00:02:15,801 --> 00:02:19,472 ♪ I want them to turn black ♪ 23 00:02:19,472 --> 00:02:21,849 ♪ I see the girls walk by ♪ 24 00:02:21,849 --> 00:02:24,519 ♪ Dressed in their summer clothes ♪ 25 00:02:25,729 --> 00:02:27,896 ♪ I have to turn my head ♪ 26 00:02:27,896 --> 00:02:31,651 ♪ Until my darkness goes ♪ 27 00:02:31,651 --> 00:02:34,069 ♪ I see a line of cars ♪ 28 00:02:34,069 --> 00:02:37,782 ♪ And they're all painted black ♪ 29 00:02:37,782 --> 00:02:39,034 ♪ With flowers and my love ♪ 30 00:02:40,034 --> 00:02:43,955 ♪ Both never to come back ♪ 31 00:02:43,955 --> 00:02:45,999 ♪ I see people turn their heads ♪ 32 00:02:45,999 --> 00:02:49,794 ♪ And quickly look away ♪ 33 00:02:49,794 --> 00:02:51,712 ♪ Like a newborn baby ♪ 34 00:02:51,712 --> 00:02:56,050 ♪ It just happens every day ♪ 35 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:58,218 ♪ I look inside myself ♪ 36 00:02:58,218 --> 00:03:01,973 ♪ And see my heart is black ♪ 37 00:03:01,973 --> 00:03:03,849 ♪ I see my red door ♪ 38 00:03:03,849 --> 00:03:07,020 ♪ I must have it painted black ♪ 39 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:10,230 ♪ Maybe then I'll fade away ♪ 40 00:03:10,230 --> 00:03:13,026 ♪ And not have to face the facts ♪ 41 00:03:14,026 --> 00:03:16,154 ♪ It's not easy facin' up ♪ 42 00:03:16,154 --> 00:03:20,324 ♪ When your whole world is black ♪ 43 00:03:20,324 --> 00:03:22,242 ♪ No more will my green sea ♪ 44 00:03:22,242 --> 00:03:26,538 ♪ Go turn a deeper blue ♪ 45 00:03:26,538 --> 00:03:29,042 ♪ I could not foresee this thing ♪ 46 00:03:29,042 --> 00:03:32,670 ♪ Happening to you ♪ 47 00:03:32,670 --> 00:03:34,881 You've always been the silent Stone. 48 00:03:34,881 --> 00:03:36,091 That's been the-- the image. 49 00:03:36,091 --> 00:03:38,842 The great Stone Face, I know. 50 00:03:38,842 --> 00:03:40,970 ♪ My love will laugh with me ♪ 51 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:44,608 ♪ Before the mornin' comes ♪♪ 52 00:04:49,663 --> 00:04:53,584 People always ask me why I collected things 53 00:04:53,584 --> 00:04:57,471 and why I built an archive like I did and still do. 54 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:08,559 This is my little capsule of my life in here. 55 00:05:09,559 --> 00:05:11,644 I suppose if you looked at my bookshelves 56 00:05:11,644 --> 00:05:14,817 you would sort of understand me better. 57 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:20,110 I always thought it was important to keep a record 58 00:05:20,110 --> 00:05:22,488 of what was going on. 59 00:05:22,488 --> 00:05:24,324 I've -- I've always kept records 60 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:25,783 or information of things 61 00:05:25,783 --> 00:05:28,413 since I was a-- a little boy in the war. 62 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:46,971 I remember standing out in the streets 63 00:05:46,971 --> 00:05:49,057 with all the local families 64 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:52,351 and watching the formations of German bombers going over. 65 00:05:52,351 --> 00:05:54,187 It was just droning. 66 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:55,730 Just this sound. 67 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:57,357 There was a German fighter bomber 68 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:59,983 roaring up the street towards us firing his guns. 69 00:06:01,194 --> 00:06:03,071 As it passed, I ran down the street 70 00:06:03,071 --> 00:06:05,615 to where my grandmother was waiting for me. 71 00:06:05,615 --> 00:06:07,992 She grabbed me and we ran to go down 72 00:06:07,992 --> 00:06:10,370 the back of the stairs to the air raid shelter. 73 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:22,303 And then the silence. 74 00:06:28,303 --> 00:06:30,598 You go back to the school, and there were two little girls 75 00:06:30,598 --> 00:06:32,225 who was in our class, they weren't there anymore. 76 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:34,269 They got killed. 77 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:35,728 We go to that bomb site 78 00:06:35,728 --> 00:06:38,230 where there used to be about 16 houses 79 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:40,274 and find toys and children's books 80 00:06:40,274 --> 00:06:43,569 and then we'd get chased off by the air raid men. 81 00:06:45,572 --> 00:06:47,615 My grandmother was like my mother. 82 00:06:47,615 --> 00:06:49,367 I mean, she taught me everything. 83 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:50,245 She was wonderful. 84 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:54,497 She started me collectin' things. 85 00:06:55,497 --> 00:06:57,136 All kinds of treasured little things. 86 00:07:08,136 --> 00:07:11,221 I was collectin' stuff and I made a scrapbook. 87 00:07:11,221 --> 00:07:12,723 And then I had to make another scrapbook 88 00:07:12,723 --> 00:07:14,517 and another scrapbook. 89 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:16,769 Then I have to get a trunk. 90 00:07:16,769 --> 00:07:18,858 And it just kept goin' on and on. 91 00:07:22,858 --> 00:07:25,194 Whenever I came into contact with anything 92 00:07:25,194 --> 00:07:28,158 that I could claim was mine, I kept it. 93 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:32,747 Throw it in the room here. Throw it in the room. 94 00:07:36,747 --> 00:07:38,249 I always wanted to be a musician. 95 00:07:38,249 --> 00:07:40,709 I always wanted to be in a band. 96 00:07:40,709 --> 00:07:44,464 And I know it was so impossible and so unlikely 97 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:47,300 um, that I would be that I just dismissed it 98 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,134 completely from my mind. 99 00:07:49,134 --> 00:07:52,764 And, um, suddenly last year.. 100 00:07:52,764 --> 00:07:55,517 ...I -- I re -- remembered, you know, after all that time. 101 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:57,185 I suddenly remembered that I'd always wanted to be 102 00:07:57,185 --> 00:07:58,728 and now I was, you know. 103 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:00,980 It didn't mean a thing to me anymore. 104 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:02,607 It was a big, it was such a big ambition. 105 00:08:02,607 --> 00:08:05,442 It was-- it was unobtainable when I was little. 106 00:08:11,615 --> 00:08:14,536 I was coming from one of the worst streets in Penge. 107 00:08:14,536 --> 00:08:16,497 It was like gang warfare in those days. 108 00:08:18,497 --> 00:08:20,125 Most of the boys in Blenheim Road 109 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:22,668 ended up in borstals or prisons 110 00:08:22,668 --> 00:08:25,170 and a lot of them went bad. 111 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:27,798 I was really quite ahead of everybody 112 00:08:27,798 --> 00:08:29,843 because of what my gran was teaching me. 113 00:08:29,843 --> 00:08:32,889 She did whatever she could to bring me up. 114 00:08:34,889 --> 00:08:38,519 My mom and my dad were not that kind of people. 115 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:42,772 There was a emptiness, a blankness in 'em. 116 00:08:42,772 --> 00:08:45,107 All that working-class stuff 117 00:08:45,107 --> 00:08:47,693 that children should be seen and not heard. 118 00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:51,197 You felt pushed aside all the time. 119 00:08:51,197 --> 00:08:53,450 I never really felt like I had a home, you know. 120 00:08:53,450 --> 00:08:55,870 I really didn't. 121 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:04,168 I went to a grammar school, which was something special 122 00:09:04,168 --> 00:09:07,715 you know, in those days, um, coming from a slum street. 123 00:09:08,715 --> 00:09:11,759 I was accused of trying to be snobby 124 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:15,596 by my mates in the street and also by my dad. 125 00:09:15,596 --> 00:09:20,059 He always tried to insist that I was working class 126 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:21,519 and I should never try to change 127 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:23,231 because that's what I was. 128 00:09:26,231 --> 00:09:27,984 My dad pulled me out of school 129 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:29,735 and the headmaster wrote a letter to him. 130 00:09:29,735 --> 00:09:31,203 I've got it. I've got the letter. 131 00:09:39,203 --> 00:09:41,748 And not only did he pull me out of school 132 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:43,875 he did the worst thing possible. 133 00:09:44,875 --> 00:09:46,003 Put me to work in a bettin' shop. 134 00:09:47,003 --> 00:09:50,423 He said, "You're gonna contribute to payin' for the house." 135 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:52,926 Because he was a bricklayer, and if he had bad weather in the winter 136 00:09:52,926 --> 00:09:55,135 he couldn't work. 137 00:09:55,135 --> 00:09:58,431 I returned to live with my grandmother a number of times 138 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:00,187 because I just couldn't get on with my dad at all. 139 00:10:08,899 --> 00:10:10,613 I realized I was on me own. 140 00:10:13,613 --> 00:10:15,322 Once my grandmother died 141 00:10:15,322 --> 00:10:18,788 being loved kind of vanished, really. 142 00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:25,835 She died when I was away and I just never.. 143 00:10:26,835 --> 00:10:28,461 ...paid her back, really 144 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:32,298 for all the love and affection she gave me 145 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:34,471 and I feel guilty about it. 146 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:42,307 When I was born, she picked me up in-- in her arms 147 00:10:42,307 --> 00:10:45,311 and said, "This boy's gonna be world-famous." 148 00:10:45,311 --> 00:10:47,438 And everybody laughed 149 00:10:47,438 --> 00:10:50,692 including my mom, my dad, my relatives. 150 00:10:50,692 --> 00:10:52,198 They all thought it was like a big joke. 151 00:11:00,326 --> 00:11:01,828 Yeah. 152 00:11:14,591 --> 00:11:16,845 ♪ I wanna tell you how it's gonna be ♪ 153 00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:21,307 ♪ You're gonna give your love to me ♪♪ 154 00:11:23,307 --> 00:11:26,226 Give it up for the Rolling Stones. 155 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:28,855 ♪ It sounds so sweet ♪ 156 00:11:28,855 --> 00:11:31,857 The audience just stood and sort of stared at us 157 00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:34,110 because we didn't have no uniforms 158 00:11:34,110 --> 00:11:36,154 we didn't have any matching guitars 159 00:11:36,154 --> 00:11:38,697 and we played this blues and R&B 160 00:11:38,697 --> 00:11:41,368 which was alien to them. 161 00:11:41,368 --> 00:11:43,496 And then this crowd goes fucking apeshit. 162 00:11:45,496 --> 00:11:47,874 ♪ Going round and round ♪ 163 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:50,376 ♪ Yeah reelin' and a rockin' ♪ 164 00:11:50,376 --> 00:11:52,836 ♪ What a crazy sound ♪ 165 00:11:52,836 --> 00:11:55,255 ♪ And they never stopped rockin' ♪ 166 00:11:55,255 --> 00:11:57,139 ♪ Till the moon went down ♪♪ 167 00:12:25,662 --> 00:12:28,539 We were just so different from any other band. 168 00:12:28,539 --> 00:12:30,291 We played different music to them. 169 00:12:30,291 --> 00:12:33,168 We played in a different way. We played it better than them. 170 00:12:33,168 --> 00:12:35,046 Keith had all the licks off. 171 00:12:35,046 --> 00:12:36,380 And then you got Mick up front 172 00:12:36,380 --> 00:12:38,591 who's just all over the bloody stage 173 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:40,927 with the maracas and the tambourine and all that. 174 00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:43,096 The greatest front man there's ever been. 175 00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:49,144 It was a special band 176 00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:50,937 and we could blow anyone off the stage 177 00:12:50,937 --> 00:12:52,938 no matter who it was. 178 00:13:02,197 --> 00:13:05,326 Bill had a very individual style 179 00:13:05,326 --> 00:13:08,538 that wasn't particularly hip or cool 180 00:13:08,538 --> 00:13:12,458 but he was his own person. 181 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:15,378 He had a tremendous presence 182 00:13:15,378 --> 00:13:18,505 but he didn't impose himself on you. 183 00:13:18,505 --> 00:13:20,633 Stone Face, I think people called him 184 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:23,094 or referred to him as Stone Face. 185 00:13:23,094 --> 00:13:24,971 He was rake thin 186 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:28,640 and when he smiled, which wasn't that frequently 187 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,351 his whole face lit up 188 00:13:30,351 --> 00:13:32,812 in a sort of great crease of a smile. 189 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:37,610 And he always had an air of world-weariness. 190 00:13:39,610 --> 00:13:42,822 I remember seeing Bill when we first rehearsed 191 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:44,490 up the road in a pub. 192 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:47,659 You know, he'd had a different sort of upbringing. 193 00:13:47,659 --> 00:13:52,206 He's locked into an era that was before us, really. 194 00:13:52,206 --> 00:13:53,500 So when we got on the road 195 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:56,506 I think it was like liberation for him. 196 00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:03,342 I went into the military in '55. 197 00:14:03,342 --> 00:14:05,886 Thank God I got the strength when I was in the military 198 00:14:05,886 --> 00:14:07,554 to be able to stand up for myself 199 00:14:07,554 --> 00:14:09,724 and fight for my beliefs. 200 00:14:09,724 --> 00:14:11,308 Before that, I couldn't. 201 00:14:26,990 --> 00:14:28,576 I was posted to Germany. 202 00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:30,037 When I got there, I met this great guy 203 00:14:31,037 --> 00:14:33,206 who was a genius footballer. 204 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,958 His name was Gordon Lee Wyman. 205 00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:37,585 He was bit of a rebel. 206 00:14:37,585 --> 00:14:39,461 All his clothes were scruffy. 207 00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:41,255 And I kind of really liked him for that 208 00:14:41,255 --> 00:14:43,508 because we all had to dress tidy and neat 209 00:14:43,508 --> 00:14:45,217 otherwise we got a bollocking. 210 00:14:45,217 --> 00:14:47,306 But he seemed to get away with it. 211 00:14:54,686 --> 00:14:56,022 He used to be in the refuelin' trucks 212 00:14:57,022 --> 00:15:00,066 and he'd open the top when it was being refueled. 213 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:01,400 He'd be smokin' a cigarette 214 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,235 and he'd just throw the cigarette in the fuel. 215 00:15:03,235 --> 00:15:05,113 He did insane things. 216 00:15:05,113 --> 00:15:07,907 When he finished his fag, he just dropped it in there. 217 00:15:20,128 --> 00:15:23,173 He was like the first person I kind of idolized 218 00:15:23,173 --> 00:15:24,591 if you like. 219 00:15:24,591 --> 00:15:28,057 He did things his way, and I related to all that. 220 00:15:33,057 --> 00:15:36,269 At the beginning of the Stones, I decided to change my name 221 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:38,897 because I'd never liked my name. 222 00:15:38,897 --> 00:15:43,442 I officially changed my name in '64 to Bill Wyman. 223 00:15:43,442 --> 00:15:46,363 I felt such a relief havin' a different name 224 00:15:46,363 --> 00:15:48,740 and it just took a cloud off my head. 225 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:51,951 My dad hated me for it. 226 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:54,953 He thought I was trying to get away from my roots 227 00:15:54,953 --> 00:15:56,873 which I kind of was in a way. 228 00:15:56,873 --> 00:15:58,794 I mean, it just changed my life. 229 00:16:01,794 --> 00:16:05,467 I bought a fleck jacket just to be different, really. 230 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:10,470 I'd have a Tony Curtis haircut 231 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:13,431 hanging down the center there, you know, a curly bit. 232 00:16:13,431 --> 00:16:15,808 People used to stare at me in the street 233 00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:17,894 and I was proud of that. 234 00:16:17,894 --> 00:16:19,440 I was being an odd one out. 235 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:33,702 At the barracks, the guys in our room all clubbed together. 236 00:16:33,702 --> 00:16:37,871 We bought a radio in town, in Oldenburg, for our room 237 00:16:37,871 --> 00:16:40,833 and at last we were able to listen to whatever we wanted 238 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:44,379 mostly through American Forces Radio, AFN. 239 00:16:44,379 --> 00:16:46,339 We'd wake up at 5:30 in the morning 240 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:48,424 and listen to "Stickbuddy Jamboree" 241 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:51,344 this fantastic country program. 242 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:54,096 A very big, big, happy howdy to you out there, friends and neighbors. 243 00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:56,057 This is your old country buddy Wagon Wheel Willie 244 00:16:56,057 --> 00:16:58,308 comin' at you on "Stickbuddy Jamboree." 245 00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:01,229 Sit back and relax and enjoy 25 minutes 246 00:17:01,229 --> 00:17:04,898 of good country and western recorded music. 247 00:17:10,195 --> 00:17:12,240 Then, of course, shortly after that 248 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,075 we heard the beginnings of rock and roll. 249 00:17:20,457 --> 00:17:21,875 ♪ Train I ride ♪ 250 00:17:21,875 --> 00:17:24,169 I could go to the American PSI shops 251 00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:27,592 and buy the first little 45 records. 252 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:32,551 ♪ Train I ride ♪♪ 253 00:17:32,551 --> 00:17:33,886 It was just like brand-new music. 254 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:35,221 It just blew me away. 255 00:17:35,221 --> 00:17:36,890 And I had to be involved in it. 256 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:38,682 I had to. 257 00:17:38,682 --> 00:17:41,728 I went straight down into the Oldenburg town 258 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:44,150 and I bought my first acoustic guitar. 259 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:49,778 When I came out of the military on leave 260 00:17:49,778 --> 00:17:52,071 I went to the cinema, the, uh, Regal Cinema 261 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:55,075 in Beckenham with a couple of friends 262 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:57,828 and we saw this film called "Rock, Rock, Rock!" 263 00:17:59,828 --> 00:18:02,082 About halfway through, I saw this trio 264 00:18:02,082 --> 00:18:04,459 called Johnny Burnette Trio who did this.. 265 00:18:04,459 --> 00:18:06,086 ♪ Lonesome train ♪ 266 00:18:06,086 --> 00:18:07,545 ...on a lonesome track. 267 00:18:07,545 --> 00:18:09,338 ♪ Tum tum lonesome train ♪ 268 00:18:09,338 --> 00:18:10,757 A bit like early Elvis. 269 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:11,008 ♪ I'm coming back ♪♪ 270 00:18:12,008 --> 00:18:13,050 With all this, you know 271 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:14,094 his mouth a bit twisted 272 00:18:14,094 --> 00:18:15,345 like Elvis and all that. 273 00:18:15,345 --> 00:18:17,888 I thought, "Oh, they're great," you know. 274 00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:20,307 About ten minutes further into the film 275 00:18:20,307 --> 00:18:23,686 there's this black guy with a little mustache 276 00:18:23,686 --> 00:18:25,230 in a white suit 277 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:28,942 with a little Gibson Les Paul guitar. 278 00:18:28,942 --> 00:18:33,445 ♪ Do do do la da da do do da la da da da ♪♪ 279 00:18:33,445 --> 00:18:34,948 Chuck Berry. 280 00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:40,369 And that just blew my mind. 281 00:18:40,369 --> 00:18:41,038 My hair went on the back of my neck. 282 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:45,625 I thought, "Fuckin' hell." It just blew me away. 283 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,169 This guy was doin' the duck walk across the stage 284 00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:50,672 and shakin' his legs and shudderin'. 285 00:18:50,672 --> 00:18:52,089 And the audience are laughing. 286 00:18:52,089 --> 00:18:53,967 They thought it was a comedy show or something. 287 00:18:53,967 --> 00:18:55,134 And I'm sitting there thinking 288 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,845 "This is the most incredible thing 289 00:18:56,845 --> 00:18:58,137 that's ever happened to me." 290 00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,722 It was then that I thought 291 00:18:59,722 --> 00:19:01,557 "Well, I've got to form a band." 292 00:19:01,557 --> 00:19:03,934 ♪ Get too close you know I'm gone ♪ 293 00:19:03,934 --> 00:19:06,980 ♪ Like a cool breeze ♪ 294 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:08,690 I'm out of the military 295 00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:11,151 and that's when the Cliftons came into existence. 296 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:12,902 ♪ Wee wee hours ♪ 297 00:19:12,902 --> 00:19:15,571 We used to sit in my kitchen with a little tape recorder 298 00:19:15,571 --> 00:19:17,323 and just learn all these basic songs. 299 00:19:17,323 --> 00:19:20,827 ♪ Here come a flat-top he was moving up with me ♪♪ 300 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:23,579 We used to play all the hits of the day. 301 00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:25,999 Um, for that, we used to get a pound each 302 00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,008 and a sandwich and a beer. 303 00:19:35,008 --> 00:19:37,093 How long did it take you to learn to play? 304 00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:38,635 It was about -- 305 00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:41,181 Now give him a chance, please. 306 00:19:41,181 --> 00:19:42,598 You can ask these questions, everybody sends 307 00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:44,183 somebody else up. No one wants to say anything. 308 00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:47,394 I just messed about with a guitar at home. 309 00:19:47,394 --> 00:19:50,690 About three years ago. Three and a half years ago. 310 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:53,902 And eventually formed a group 311 00:19:53,902 --> 00:19:56,029 and I had to play bass 'cause nobody else did, did they? 312 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:58,280 - And then I -- - Why do you play bass? 313 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,490 Nobody else did. 314 00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:00,866 Yeah, because there's more guitarists 315 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:02,868 and less bass players. 316 00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:06,205 I went to my sister's house for the weekend 317 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:08,333 and we went to a dance. 318 00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:09,792 And I heard the bass. 319 00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:15,549 I heard the real bass guitar for the first time. 320 00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:21,471 The low sound just filled you up right down there, you know 321 00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:23,722 when everybody else was playing up high. 322 00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:25,017 And I thought, "God, that's what's missing 323 00:20:26,017 --> 00:20:27,396 in the Cliftons." 324 00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:32,481 And I asked them all. I said, "Steve, you wanna play bass?" 325 00:20:32,481 --> 00:20:35,902 "No." "Cliff, do you wanna play bass?" "No." 326 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,160 Fucking hell, I suppose I better do it then. 327 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,452 He didn't have a bass guitar 328 00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:47,079 because he couldn't afford to buy one. 329 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,125 What he did was detune two or three of the top strings 330 00:20:50,125 --> 00:20:52,251 of an ordinary six-string and he made.. 331 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,128 What he made of it was brilliant, you know. 332 00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:55,838 And I think we may have all clubbed together 333 00:20:55,838 --> 00:20:58,090 to buy the bass guitar. 334 00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,759 We bought it and it was the most ugly, horrible thing. 335 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:04,556 I turned this bass over, got some chalk 336 00:21:04,556 --> 00:21:06,432 and redrew the body. 337 00:21:06,432 --> 00:21:08,268 And I went down the road to my friend 338 00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:10,103 who had a fret work machine. 339 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:11,438 I said, "I want you to cut all this out." 340 00:21:11,438 --> 00:21:13,064 He went, "Are you serious?" 341 00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:14,732 I said "Yes, cut it out." 342 00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:18,611 Took it home, put all new electrics in it. 343 00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:23,575 I put another pickup in, a Baldwin pickup. 344 00:21:23,575 --> 00:21:27,077 Stripped it all down, took all the frets out. 345 00:21:27,077 --> 00:21:30,539 Then I had to buy new strings, these framer strings 346 00:21:30,539 --> 00:21:32,085 which were really springy and soft. 347 00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:36,086 And I bought this amplifier. 348 00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:37,630 The fucking thing, every time I touched it 349 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:39,089 I'd get electrocuted 350 00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:40,633 because it didn't have an earth or anything. 351 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:41,843 I'd just go, "Ah!" 352 00:21:41,843 --> 00:21:44,471 I bought an 18-inch Goodman speaker 353 00:21:44,471 --> 00:21:46,263 the biggest speaker there was. 354 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:49,893 And when I played this bass, Jesus, the sound. 355 00:21:52,644 --> 00:21:54,689 I mean, it was amazing. 356 00:21:54,689 --> 00:21:57,237 Without knowing it, I invented the fretless bass. 357 00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:14,875 I heard "Green Onions" by Booker T & the MG's. 358 00:22:14,875 --> 00:22:16,795 ♪ Boom doom pa doom doom ♪ 359 00:22:16,795 --> 00:22:19,338 ♪ Doom doom pa doom pa doom doom ♪♪ 360 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,257 And I thought, "That bass is great." 361 00:22:21,257 --> 00:22:22,717 And I started to focus 362 00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:26,554 on trying to play bass like Duck Dunn. 363 00:22:26,554 --> 00:22:28,890 That's who I learned my basics from. 364 00:22:28,890 --> 00:22:31,308 The way to play, to leave space 365 00:22:31,308 --> 00:22:33,310 don't be busy, don't fill it up. 366 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:34,688 You're not a fucking lead guitarist 367 00:22:34,688 --> 00:22:36,146 you're a bass player. 368 00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:38,191 Focus on what the drummer's doin' 369 00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:41,193 and play exactly with the drums 370 00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:43,821 so that you've got a strong foundation there 371 00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:47,075 that's solid, that everybody else can build upon. 372 00:22:47,075 --> 00:22:51,829 ♪ Can you handle it? Handle it ♪ 373 00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:54,124 ♪ Can you handle it ♪♪ 374 00:22:58,211 --> 00:23:01,423 I'd done gigs with some of the lesser-known 375 00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:03,090 musicians of the time. 376 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:04,592 I did have a bit of experience like that 377 00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:07,595 but it was all rock and roll. 378 00:23:07,595 --> 00:23:09,556 The stuff that we were all listening to 379 00:23:09,556 --> 00:23:12,392 they weren't many bass players on any of those records. 380 00:23:12,392 --> 00:23:14,309 And I remember seeing Bill playing and thinking 381 00:23:14,309 --> 00:23:17,439 "What, a bass player?" And he looked like a Teddy Boy. 382 00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:19,356 I thought, "Where's he come from?" 383 00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:21,401 You know, his bass playing was fantastic. 384 00:23:21,401 --> 00:23:23,444 Really unique. 385 00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:26,448 Forming the Cliftons was a breath of fresh air. 386 00:23:26,448 --> 00:23:29,701 I'd fallen in love with playing music. 387 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,911 We were doing all these gigs and working hard 388 00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:35,539 but the trouble was those shite promoters. 389 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:38,250 They owed us so much money, they just wouldn't pay us. 390 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,628 And so the bottom started to fall out of the band. 391 00:23:41,628 --> 00:23:44,590 Tony Chapman answered an ad 392 00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:46,887 for a drummer with an R&B band. 393 00:23:49,887 --> 00:23:53,182 That night we went back to Mick's parents' house 394 00:23:53,182 --> 00:23:55,268 and they played Jimmy Reid and various things 395 00:23:55,268 --> 00:23:56,560 that I'd never heard. 396 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,020 I think they quite liked the way I played 397 00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:59,271 because I could play the shuffle beat 398 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,815 which most people couldn't. 399 00:24:00,815 --> 00:24:03,442 And then that's how I got to play with the Stones, really. 400 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,987 Tony came to me and said, "Bass player's left. 401 00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:08,826 Do you wanna come up to rehearsal on Friday?" 402 00:24:11,826 --> 00:24:15,288 So I went up with him and I had my big bass cabinet 403 00:24:15,288 --> 00:24:17,790 in the boot of his car stickin' out. 404 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:19,959 I took my homemade bass 405 00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:22,964 and I went to the Weatherby Arms in Chelsea. 406 00:24:25,964 --> 00:24:28,676 I went in, and there they were, Ian Stewart. 407 00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:30,761 He was nice when I went in there. 408 00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:34,766 Mick was fairly sociable. 409 00:24:36,768 --> 00:24:38,728 And Brian and Keith just didn't speak to me. 410 00:24:38,728 --> 00:24:41,316 They were up at the bar, and they were really beatnik-y. 411 00:24:43,316 --> 00:24:44,817 I bought them all a round of drinks 412 00:24:44,817 --> 00:24:46,277 and then they got a bit more friendly 413 00:24:46,277 --> 00:24:48,279 and -- and passed the cigarettes round. 414 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,240 So, then they were sociable, you know. 415 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,409 They didn't have any money or anything. 416 00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:54,118 They asked me what music I liked 417 00:24:54,118 --> 00:24:56,704 and what music I played. 418 00:24:56,704 --> 00:25:00,416 So I said, "Well, Chuck Berry," and they went, "Great." 419 00:25:00,416 --> 00:25:02,460 "Jerry Lee Lewis." "No!" 420 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:04,753 "Eddie Cochrane." "No!" 421 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:07,548 All the rock and rollers, they didn't like any of them. 422 00:25:07,548 --> 00:25:10,468 They said, "We're a blues band, we're not a rock and roll band. 423 00:25:10,468 --> 00:25:11,678 We don't play that shit." 424 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:17,933 They'd already spoken to Charlie Watts 425 00:25:17,933 --> 00:25:21,855 so they fired Tony, and Charlie said he'd join. 426 00:25:21,855 --> 00:25:24,523 I kind of slotted in alright. 427 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:26,151 ♪ I said yeah ♪ 428 00:25:26,151 --> 00:25:29,194 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah Mona ♪ 429 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:33,575 ♪ Oh Mona ♪ 430 00:25:33,575 --> 00:25:34,035 ♪ I tell ya Mona what I wanna do ♪♪ 431 00:25:35,035 --> 00:25:36,536 I was a bit of a rock and roller 432 00:25:36,536 --> 00:25:38,371 more than anything else 433 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:42,208 and found that they were playing pure blues. 434 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,085 ♪ Man ♪ 435 00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:46,880 I mean, really slow, slow blues. 436 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,049 ♪ You know I didn't enjoy things that kings and queens ♪♪ 437 00:25:50,049 --> 00:25:51,925 You couldn't buy a bloody blues record 438 00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:53,510 to save your life in those days. 439 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:56,681 It was unheard of in England. 440 00:25:56,681 --> 00:25:58,682 I remember saying to them at that rehearsal 441 00:25:58,682 --> 00:26:01,769 I said, "We can't play 12-bar blues all fucking night." 442 00:26:01,769 --> 00:26:03,563 Which I was totally wrong about 443 00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:06,069 because we ended up doing exactly that. 444 00:26:10,069 --> 00:26:11,820 Within two months, we were brilliant 445 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:13,655 and sounded fantastic. 446 00:26:13,655 --> 00:26:18,452 And in 1963, we played about 340 shows. 447 00:26:18,452 --> 00:26:21,413 We traveled everywhere in Stu's van. 448 00:26:21,413 --> 00:26:23,458 He was a fantastic blues piano player 449 00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:27,461 and he looked after us on the road for 22 years. 450 00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:29,383 He was like the sixth Stone, really. 451 00:26:31,383 --> 00:26:33,259 Stu would turn around and say 452 00:26:33,259 --> 00:26:36,512 "Okay, you three-chord wonders, you're on." 453 00:26:36,512 --> 00:26:38,767 ♪ Let's go fishin' in the crawdad hole ♪ 454 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:42,770 ♪ One two three four five and nine ♪ 455 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:46,230 I couldn't survive working 456 00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:48,692 because we started to get gigs out of London. 457 00:26:48,692 --> 00:26:51,945 ♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪ 458 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:55,657 ♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪ 459 00:26:56,657 --> 00:26:59,121 ♪ I said hey crawdaddy ♪ 460 00:27:01,121 --> 00:27:03,000 ♪ Hey crawdaddy ♪♪ 461 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,251 I told my parents and friends 462 00:27:07,251 --> 00:27:10,547 that I was gonna give up work and go professional. 463 00:27:10,547 --> 00:27:12,382 Every single person I knew said 464 00:27:12,382 --> 00:27:15,218 "Don't do it. Don't take the risk." 465 00:27:15,218 --> 00:27:18,308 And I thought, "Fuck it, I'm gonna do it." 466 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:25,185 Top British rhythm and blues group 467 00:27:25,185 --> 00:27:28,480 and the best new group, the Rolling Stones. 468 00:27:29,941 --> 00:27:31,067 I didn't think of it 469 00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:33,528 as progressin' anywhere really big. 470 00:27:33,528 --> 00:27:36,448 It was the most excitin' thing in my life. 471 00:27:36,448 --> 00:27:39,992 The sound we had, no one compared 472 00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:41,499 with that sound in those days, no one. 473 00:27:46,499 --> 00:27:48,585 I started to collect the little bits and pieces 474 00:27:48,585 --> 00:27:49,002 as we traveled. 475 00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:53,173 If I was very lucky, I grabbed a little poster 476 00:27:53,173 --> 00:27:55,719 and someone would give me a photo they had taken. 477 00:27:57,719 --> 00:28:02,353 And it just slowly escalated into this mountain. 478 00:28:06,353 --> 00:28:08,520 You know, it is all a bit of a haze to me. 479 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,482 I mean, if I wanna know what I did for certain in those years 480 00:28:11,482 --> 00:28:13,777 I have to ask Bill Wyman, you know. 481 00:28:13,777 --> 00:28:16,779 - Who keeps the archives. - Yeah. 482 00:28:16,779 --> 00:28:21,534 Bill was the first guy to have a computer. 483 00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:24,412 He'd have his videos and they'd be all stacked up. 484 00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:26,083 I bet he's probably got them even now. 485 00:28:28,083 --> 00:28:31,047 He had movie cameras before everybody. 486 00:28:34,047 --> 00:28:36,674 I took reels of film. 487 00:28:36,674 --> 00:28:39,858 Twenty years of home movies on the road. 488 00:28:54,858 --> 00:28:59,196 The biggest ambition we had was to play in a club 489 00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,865 and have people like what we were playin'. 490 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:04,952 We never dreamed about making a record. 491 00:29:04,952 --> 00:29:07,247 It never crossed our minds that we would ever 492 00:29:07,247 --> 00:29:09,499 be on TV or radio. 493 00:29:09,499 --> 00:29:13,086 Pie in the sky to think we might go abroad sometime 494 00:29:13,086 --> 00:29:16,673 because we were playin' uncommercial music. 495 00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:19,384 We were playin' pure blues 496 00:29:19,384 --> 00:29:22,261 and the only place we could play it was in jazz clubs. 497 00:29:22,261 --> 00:29:25,099 Suddenly, we got a followin' and it blossomed from there. 498 00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:30,185 Glyn Johns, who was in that band, The Presidents 499 00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:33,940 said to us, "I work at IBC Record Studios. 500 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:36,692 I can get you three hours recording time." 501 00:29:36,692 --> 00:29:39,865 We went, "What? Make a record?" 502 00:29:41,865 --> 00:29:43,282 I'd seen the Rolling Stones 503 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:44,784 and I thought they were really good 504 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:45,910 and I thought, "There's definitely 505 00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:47,287 a commercial opportunity here." 506 00:29:47,287 --> 00:29:49,204 So I approached the studio owners and said 507 00:29:49,204 --> 00:29:51,750 "Can I bring these people in and see what we can do?" 508 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:53,375 And they said, "Yes, on the condition that you have 509 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:54,961 "absolutely nothing to do with getting the deal. 510 00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:56,628 We'll do the business." 511 00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:07,097 I took the Stones in 512 00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:09,224 and that was their first recording session. 513 00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:12,479 We cut four things, I think. Bill and I argue about this. 514 00:30:12,479 --> 00:30:14,980 I thought it was only three, but he says it was five. 515 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:16,482 He's probably right 516 00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:18,487 because he's got it all written down somewhere. 517 00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:22,489 We went and we cut five tracks. 518 00:30:22,489 --> 00:30:25,075 The guy who owned the place, Harold Clewson 519 00:30:25,075 --> 00:30:27,952 took them around to Decca and EMI and Pi 520 00:30:27,952 --> 00:30:29,453 and nobody liked them. 521 00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:32,792 And we thought that was the end of our recording careers. 522 00:30:34,792 --> 00:30:37,336 It started to happen when Andrew Oldham signed us. 523 00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:38,005 I'm proud of most things I did. 524 00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:40,673 Just, whether the proudness remains 525 00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:42,384 is whether they happen or they don't happen. 526 00:30:42,384 --> 00:30:44,594 Um, the biggest thing naturally is the Rolling Stones. 527 00:30:44,594 --> 00:30:47,513 Andrew said he saw the sex emanatin' from us 528 00:30:47,513 --> 00:30:48,932 and, you know, and all this sort of bullshit 529 00:30:48,932 --> 00:30:51,518 the way Andrew talks, which was fantastic 530 00:30:51,518 --> 00:30:53,355 'cause he was a genius. 531 00:30:55,355 --> 00:30:57,481 Bill, I didn't pay much attention to 532 00:30:57,481 --> 00:30:59,192 and he knows that. 533 00:30:59,192 --> 00:31:02,237 Because of being deeply superficial 534 00:31:02,237 --> 00:31:05,490 I judged books by their cover 535 00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:08,284 and he seemed to be much more of a Duane Eddy 536 00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:10,912 Johnny and the Hurricanes type of guy to me 537 00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,080 than a, than a Bo Diddley guy. 538 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,459 Bill might have had moments where he thought 539 00:31:16,459 --> 00:31:19,837 not that his life was over, but his life was set. 540 00:31:19,837 --> 00:31:21,468 And then along came the Rolling Stones. 541 00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:27,846 The phone rings and it's Andrew Oldham saying 542 00:31:27,846 --> 00:31:30,222 "Can I speak to Terry O'Neill?" So I speak to him. 543 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,099 He said, "Can you do what you did 544 00:31:32,099 --> 00:31:33,019 for the Beatles for the Stones?" 545 00:31:34,019 --> 00:31:35,394 I said, "Well, I'll give it a try." 546 00:31:35,394 --> 00:31:37,521 And that's when I first met Bill. 547 00:31:37,521 --> 00:31:39,982 I took the pictures back, and the picture editor said 548 00:31:39,982 --> 00:31:43,278 "God, they look like five prehistoric monsters." 549 00:31:43,278 --> 00:31:45,404 It was a mania with the Beatles 550 00:31:45,404 --> 00:31:48,074 whereas with the Stones, it was an appreciation. 551 00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:49,952 It became a cult. 552 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:39,667 Alright then, this is the Rolling Stones interview 553 00:32:39,667 --> 00:32:42,170 for the fan club, December, Christmastime. 554 00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:44,047 Mick, Bill and Charlie. 555 00:32:44,047 --> 00:32:47,174 When did you first get mobbed? Do you remember that word? 556 00:32:47,174 --> 00:32:49,969 - Yeah. - Well, that's a good question. 557 00:32:49,969 --> 00:32:51,554 I don't remember, you know. 558 00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:52,013 It was like something, I remember -- 559 00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:55,599 - I do. - Oh, well, Bill, okay, go on. 560 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,310 He remembers everything. I'm trying -- 561 00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:00,480 We, the first time we got mobbed.. 562 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,981 - Go on, where was it? - This doesn't happen anymore. 563 00:33:02,981 --> 00:33:04,442 It was about a third of the way 564 00:33:04,442 --> 00:33:07,112 through the Everly Brothers tour. 565 00:33:07,112 --> 00:33:08,696 - Really? - Up in the north. 566 00:33:08,696 --> 00:33:10,155 It was either in Manchester or Liverpool 567 00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:11,990 one of those places. 568 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:14,036 Um, where we were actually attacked for the first time 569 00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:17,163 when we tried to get out of the theater. 570 00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:20,709 Okay, here we go. 571 00:33:20,709 --> 00:33:22,961 And now I'd like to introduce to you 572 00:33:22,961 --> 00:33:25,838 the fabulous Rolling Stones. 573 00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:31,469 We'd go on stage and go jan-ta-jan 574 00:33:31,469 --> 00:33:32,679 and the whole crowd would pour on stage 575 00:33:32,679 --> 00:33:34,471 and that was the end of the show. 576 00:33:34,471 --> 00:33:37,099 Two chords, end of the show. 577 00:33:37,099 --> 00:33:40,310 And if we got through three songs, it was, like, amazing. 578 00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:50,904 Sometimes they put police dogs on each end of the stage 579 00:33:50,904 --> 00:33:53,450 to stop the kids getting on. The police dogs went nuts. 580 00:34:00,539 --> 00:34:03,335 The only way you could get out of the theater in time 581 00:34:03,335 --> 00:34:06,503 when you played the last chord of the last song 582 00:34:06,503 --> 00:34:09,132 the curtains closed and they had to play 583 00:34:09,132 --> 00:34:10,382 "God Save The Queen." 584 00:34:16,347 --> 00:34:19,309 And the audience had to stand there for those two minutes. 585 00:34:19,309 --> 00:34:23,271 And that was the two minutes we had to get off the stage 586 00:34:23,271 --> 00:34:25,523 down the corridors, out of the building 587 00:34:25,523 --> 00:34:27,733 into the police van or whatever it was 588 00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:30,028 the Black Mariah or the ambulance 589 00:34:31,028 --> 00:34:33,280 or the newspaper van we were using 590 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,076 to be inconspicuous. 591 00:34:36,076 --> 00:34:37,748 And gone. 592 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:44,333 Sometimes we didn't get out in time 593 00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:46,425 and then we just got mashed. 594 00:34:52,425 --> 00:34:55,260 And then we went abroad, fucking hell. 595 00:34:59,181 --> 00:35:02,190 Please fasten your seatbelts and do not smoke. 596 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:11,777 ♪ Everywhere I hear the sound ♪ 597 00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:17,324 ♪ Of marching charging feet boy ♪ 598 00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:21,204 ♪ 'Cause summer's here and the time is right ♪ 599 00:35:21,204 --> 00:35:26,793 ♪ For fighting in the street boy ♪ 600 00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:30,880 ♪ Well now what can a poor boy do ♪ 601 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,634 ♪ Except to sing for a rock and roll band? ♪ 602 00:35:34,634 --> 00:35:37,594 ♪ 'Cause in sleepy London town ♪ 603 00:35:37,594 --> 00:35:43,188 ♪ There's just no place for a street fighting man ♪♪ 604 00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:49,440 You talk about being worn out 605 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,983 but you've never been as worn out 606 00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:53,485 as we were the other week. 607 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,112 On Wednesday, the 15th 608 00:35:55,112 --> 00:35:57,532 we left Munich and flew to West Berlin 609 00:35:57,532 --> 00:36:00,411 and that's where the story really starts. 610 00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:02,871 We arrived at the airport. 611 00:36:02,871 --> 00:36:04,998 They said we'll hold a press conference. 612 00:36:04,998 --> 00:36:06,916 We got in, started the press conference. 613 00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:08,418 We were there five minutes, and the kids 614 00:36:08,418 --> 00:36:10,170 are breaking the doors down and everything 615 00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:12,338 and the police kept bringing reinforcements in 616 00:36:12,338 --> 00:36:14,800 to hold the doors and everything at each end. 617 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,844 The chief of police came over and he said 618 00:36:17,844 --> 00:36:19,971 "We can't hold 'em any longer. You'll have to go." 619 00:36:19,971 --> 00:36:23,182 So we had to run out and fight our way through to the bus 620 00:36:23,182 --> 00:36:25,934 and then the bus had to fight its way through the crowd. 621 00:36:25,934 --> 00:36:29,646 And away we went with an escort of about six police cars 622 00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:33,027 and about twenty helmeted and armed police on motorbikes. 623 00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:35,028 Unbelievable, you know. 624 00:36:36,028 --> 00:36:38,155 I never had my movie camera with me. 625 00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:40,240 I'm so annoyed that I missed it, you know. 626 00:36:43,577 --> 00:36:46,331 ♪ Well if you ever plan ♪ 627 00:36:46,331 --> 00:36:47,956 We were over the moon to hear 628 00:36:47,956 --> 00:36:49,501 that we were gonna go to America. 629 00:36:49,501 --> 00:36:51,210 ♪ Just take my way ♪ 630 00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:54,465 ♪ That's the highway that's the best ♪ 631 00:36:55,465 --> 00:36:59,177 ♪ Get your kicks on Route 66 ♪ 632 00:36:59,177 --> 00:37:01,762 The Beatles, they made it in America. 633 00:37:01,762 --> 00:37:04,974 The Rolling Stones were made by America. 634 00:37:04,974 --> 00:37:08,268 One started to be able to watch with all of them 635 00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:10,646 some magical development 636 00:37:10,646 --> 00:37:13,315 as they were able to record 637 00:37:13,315 --> 00:37:15,902 with their feet touching the land 638 00:37:15,902 --> 00:37:17,072 that created their passion. 639 00:37:19,072 --> 00:37:21,490 You had to break every town and every state. 640 00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:23,409 You were right in the middle of it. 641 00:37:23,409 --> 00:37:25,994 ♪ Oklahoma City looks oh so pretty ♪ 642 00:37:25,994 --> 00:37:28,083 ♪ You'll see Amarillo ♪♪ 643 00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:31,043 Let's run one down. 644 00:37:33,043 --> 00:37:35,255 Rolling master A. Master A, take one. 645 00:37:37,673 --> 00:37:40,260 Going to Chess was like a pilgrimage. 646 00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:44,931 We knew that that's where most of our idols recorded. 647 00:37:44,931 --> 00:37:47,269 Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Howlin' Wolf. 648 00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:52,480 We hoped we could get the right sound 649 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,773 that we weren't being able to get in the UK. 650 00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:55,027 And we did. 651 00:37:58,027 --> 00:38:00,030 We played their blues music brilliantly 652 00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:03,331 and that's what shocked them. 653 00:38:10,331 --> 00:38:13,420 - What's your ambition now? - To be a musician. 654 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:18,757 I'm not -- I'm not a musician. I just play in a band, you know. 655 00:38:18,757 --> 00:38:20,052 ♪ Well I'm a king bee ♪ 656 00:38:22,052 --> 00:38:23,427 ♪ Buzzing around ♪ 657 00:38:23,427 --> 00:38:24,471 There was something about 658 00:38:24,471 --> 00:38:26,222 Bill's bass lines in the Stones. 659 00:38:26,222 --> 00:38:28,849 It was the first thing you'd hear 660 00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:31,143 the thing that was most hooky about it. 661 00:38:31,143 --> 00:38:35,065 It was so precise and so contained, you know. 662 00:38:35,065 --> 00:38:36,025 It wasn't gettin' away with itself. 663 00:38:37,025 --> 00:38:38,902 It was just right. 664 00:38:38,902 --> 00:38:41,279 The best informed are the best players 665 00:38:41,279 --> 00:38:43,739 and I think Bill's one of those. 666 00:38:43,739 --> 00:38:45,199 It's never been pop. 667 00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:46,576 It's been rock and roll 668 00:38:46,576 --> 00:38:48,494 but it's been informed by blues 669 00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:52,248 which is the magical combination. 670 00:38:52,248 --> 00:38:55,626 Bill is like no other bass player I've ever heard. 671 00:38:55,626 --> 00:38:58,505 He has an incredibly simplistic approach to what he's doing. 672 00:38:58,505 --> 00:39:01,257 And I think that's just Bill's complete lack of ego 673 00:39:01,257 --> 00:39:02,509 as a musician, really. 674 00:39:02,509 --> 00:39:04,385 It's very often not what you play 675 00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:06,346 but what you don't play, what you leave out 676 00:39:06,346 --> 00:39:08,014 that makes a distinction as to your abilities, really. 677 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,601 ♪ We can make honey ♪ 678 00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:14,728 ♪ The world has never seen ♪ 679 00:39:14,728 --> 00:39:17,565 There were a lot of these really technically brilliant 680 00:39:17,565 --> 00:39:21,902 bass players that can play me off the stage any time. 681 00:39:21,902 --> 00:39:24,905 To me, they just sound like lead guitar players. 682 00:39:24,905 --> 00:39:28,869 So busy that there doesn't seem much room for anybody else. 683 00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:32,539 ♪ Sting-a-been ♪♪ 684 00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:47,469 The key for me is Bill and Charlie together. 685 00:39:47,469 --> 00:39:50,056 When they play together, it's extraordinary. 686 00:39:50,056 --> 00:39:52,559 The power of the two of them is greater than the four. 687 00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,021 Just that magic chemical combination of feel. 688 00:39:56,021 --> 00:39:58,606 ♪ I just wanna make love to you ♪♪ 689 00:39:58,606 --> 00:40:02,402 Really easy guy. And a really good bass player. 690 00:40:02,402 --> 00:40:04,904 Very, very unassuming bass player. 691 00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:07,072 And some of the records that we made 692 00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,826 he's quite brilliant on. 693 00:40:09,826 --> 00:40:12,077 Fortunately, the pair of us 694 00:40:12,077 --> 00:40:14,833 made a living out of doing it together. 695 00:40:16,833 --> 00:40:19,168 We were always referred to as the straightest 696 00:40:19,168 --> 00:40:21,932 rhythm section in rock and roll. 697 00:40:36,978 --> 00:40:38,605 Bill, how did this, uh, come about? 698 00:40:38,605 --> 00:40:41,608 This, uh, with writing miserable articles 699 00:40:41,608 --> 00:40:44,235 about the Stones? Did this originate in Europe? 700 00:40:44,235 --> 00:40:47,112 It started when we started in England, you know 701 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:49,740 but, um, by now in England 702 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:51,909 everybody knows what we really are like 703 00:40:51,909 --> 00:40:54,211 so they don't write things that are untrue, you know. 704 00:41:02,211 --> 00:41:04,672 The Beatles are loved by pretty well everybody 705 00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:07,132 from the moms down to the teenagers. 706 00:41:07,132 --> 00:41:10,637 It seems to me that you're either loved or hated. 707 00:41:11,637 --> 00:41:14,891 Everything we did was so alien to the norm. 708 00:41:14,891 --> 00:41:16,809 They just did not get it. 709 00:41:16,809 --> 00:41:20,480 Why we didn't succumb to being showbiz-y. 710 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,481 All the other bands would succumb to doing 711 00:41:22,481 --> 00:41:24,983 what they're told just for that bit of publicity. 712 00:41:24,983 --> 00:41:27,824 We didn't need it, we avoided publicity in the end. 713 00:41:30,824 --> 00:41:33,367 It was us against the world. It really was. 714 00:41:33,367 --> 00:41:35,914 We were just refusing to conform. 715 00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:41,251 If a kid wants to let his hair grow long 716 00:41:41,251 --> 00:41:44,295 or he wants to wear rags, or he wants to play a guitar 717 00:41:44,295 --> 00:41:45,630 or do anything, or kick a ball in the street 718 00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:46,880 it's nothing to do with us. 719 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,675 If he likes to listen to our music, that's great 720 00:41:48,675 --> 00:41:50,885 if he wants to come to a concert. 721 00:41:50,885 --> 00:41:52,512 But apart from that, we didn't believe 722 00:41:52,512 --> 00:41:54,523 we had any responsibility. 723 00:42:03,523 --> 00:42:06,275 I always thought he didn't like me being in the Stones 724 00:42:06,275 --> 00:42:08,402 'cause he never said anything nice. 725 00:42:08,402 --> 00:42:10,364 He was always moaning about it. 726 00:42:12,364 --> 00:42:14,534 I just don't think that generation could get 727 00:42:14,534 --> 00:42:18,204 into their head that their kids could be successful 728 00:42:18,204 --> 00:42:21,751 in something that wasn't a normal job. 729 00:42:22,751 --> 00:42:26,128 So when I succeeded playing music 730 00:42:26,128 --> 00:42:28,840 a -- and doing better than them 731 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,260 it was out of order, wasn't it? 732 00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:35,054 But my mom did tell me 733 00:42:35,054 --> 00:42:36,556 on a couple of occasions 734 00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:38,432 when t -- they were in the pub 735 00:42:38,432 --> 00:42:41,061 uh, when someone was going on about 736 00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:44,230 "Stones, dirty lot," he would stick up for us. 737 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:46,942 He'd tell them to mind their own business. 738 00:42:47,942 --> 00:42:50,820 And so he did it without my knowledge 739 00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:52,864 but he never did it to my face. 740 00:42:52,864 --> 00:42:54,117 But he wasn't that kind of a person. 741 00:42:57,117 --> 00:42:59,204 I mean, looking back, I don't blame him 742 00:42:59,204 --> 00:43:02,623 because he -- he had a terrible childhood. 743 00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,594 A really terrible childhood. 744 00:43:15,594 --> 00:43:19,099 Everything was changin' in those early '60s. 745 00:43:24,061 --> 00:43:26,898 ♪ You're the kind of person you meet at certain ♪ 746 00:43:26,898 --> 00:43:29,150 ♪ Dismal dull affairs ♪ 747 00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:31,820 ♪ Center of a crowd talking much too loud ♪ 748 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:34,655 The music, art, fashion. 749 00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:37,367 Suddenly, girls were wearing miniskirts. 750 00:43:37,367 --> 00:43:39,284 It just went right across the board. 751 00:43:39,284 --> 00:43:42,288 ♪ And though you try you just can't hide ♪ 752 00:43:42,288 --> 00:43:44,833 All the clubs started to appear in London. 753 00:43:44,833 --> 00:43:47,751 You'd bump into the Beatles or the Animals or the Hollies. 754 00:43:47,751 --> 00:43:49,461 Ah, they were just everywhere. 755 00:43:49,461 --> 00:43:50,963 You just moved from one to the other 756 00:43:50,963 --> 00:43:52,800 and sometimes you saw live acts. 757 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,677 You'd go and see Benny King somewhere 758 00:43:56,677 --> 00:43:59,304 and then you'd see Lee Dorsey somewhere else. 759 00:43:59,304 --> 00:44:02,641 I'm at the Scotch of St. James, I met Otis Redding 760 00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:05,144 and talked to him for about half an hour. 761 00:44:05,144 --> 00:44:07,938 You know, when you met those people in those days 762 00:44:07,938 --> 00:44:10,442 they were like gods to me. 763 00:44:10,442 --> 00:44:12,735 I think a lot of it had to do with the music 764 00:44:12,735 --> 00:44:14,945 and then the birth pill 765 00:44:14,945 --> 00:44:16,780 all them British movies 766 00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:18,282 it was coming from everywhere. 767 00:44:18,282 --> 00:44:19,492 It was sort of a hurricane 768 00:44:19,492 --> 00:44:21,869 and we were coming in the middle of it. 769 00:44:21,869 --> 00:44:24,329 ♪ Your father's still perfecting ways ♪ 770 00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:26,791 ♪ Of making sealing wax ♪ 771 00:44:26,791 --> 00:44:28,219 ♪ You better stop ♪♪ 772 00:44:38,219 --> 00:44:39,846 Me and Brian used to go out to the clubs 773 00:44:39,846 --> 00:44:41,893 and pick up girls. 774 00:44:44,893 --> 00:44:48,855 They used to camp outside the hotel on the grass. 775 00:44:48,855 --> 00:44:51,148 You know, of course, I jumped at it 776 00:44:51,148 --> 00:44:55,402 and it just became part of my life after that. 777 00:44:55,402 --> 00:44:58,782 It became a habit just through 778 00:44:58,782 --> 00:45:02,452 honestly, loneliness and just wanting affection. 779 00:45:02,452 --> 00:45:04,371 And these girls were affectionate. 780 00:45:06,873 --> 00:45:09,083 There was probably an addiction to sex 781 00:45:09,083 --> 00:45:11,418 because I wasn't addicted to drugs 782 00:45:11,418 --> 00:45:13,681 and I wasn't addicted to wine. 783 00:45:22,681 --> 00:45:24,016 My first marriage, it never worked. 784 00:45:25,016 --> 00:45:26,934 It was down to the same old thing 785 00:45:26,934 --> 00:45:30,190 of marrying the girl next door was the phrase. 786 00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:33,775 Getting married got me out of the family. 787 00:45:33,775 --> 00:45:36,610 Of course, it did, out of the home. 788 00:45:36,610 --> 00:45:39,364 It was hard coming home to my wife 789 00:45:39,364 --> 00:45:41,282 who obviously knew what was going on. 790 00:45:41,282 --> 00:45:44,159 But then I found at one time, she had a relationship going. 791 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,579 I mean, obviously, I don't blame her. 792 00:45:47,579 --> 00:45:50,416 And then you end up with a child out of the blue 793 00:45:50,416 --> 00:45:52,918 and you just stay together for the sake of the child 794 00:45:52,918 --> 00:45:55,838 which is always the worst thing you can do. 795 00:45:55,838 --> 00:45:57,434 Until I finally got divorced. 796 00:46:08,434 --> 00:46:10,728 She insisted that she would take Stephen 797 00:46:10,728 --> 00:46:14,110 to South Africa with her, which really hurt me. 798 00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:21,739 But then I thought, "Well, it's better that he grows up 799 00:46:21,739 --> 00:46:25,326 with one parent in a normal way of life." 800 00:46:25,326 --> 00:46:27,583 If it isn't with me, then it has to be with her. 801 00:46:31,583 --> 00:46:33,126 I'll get Stephen to say something to you. 802 00:46:33,126 --> 00:46:34,543 Just a minute. 803 00:46:34,543 --> 00:46:36,463 Come and say hello to Dave. 804 00:46:36,463 --> 00:46:38,922 Come and say hello to Dave. 805 00:46:38,922 --> 00:46:40,884 - Hello. - Say hello, Dave. 806 00:46:40,884 --> 00:46:43,219 - Hello. - Say how are you? 807 00:46:43,219 --> 00:46:47,516 How are you? I will see you soon. Bye-bye. 808 00:46:49,516 --> 00:46:52,646 He came back in the summer of '68. 809 00:46:53,646 --> 00:46:56,315 And when I saw the state he was in, I was shocked 810 00:46:56,315 --> 00:46:58,027 because he was complainin' of toothache 811 00:46:59,027 --> 00:47:02,322 he was thin, he didn't look well at all. 812 00:47:02,322 --> 00:47:05,824 So I refused to return him to South Africa. 813 00:47:05,824 --> 00:47:09,748 And then I had to fight for him and a divorce. 814 00:47:11,748 --> 00:47:13,166 I went to the court 815 00:47:13,166 --> 00:47:16,880 and the judge gave me custody, which was a miracle. 816 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,728 And from that day on, I brought Stephen up. 817 00:47:33,728 --> 00:47:35,271 I broke up from my wife. 818 00:47:35,271 --> 00:47:37,773 Astrid, my girlfriend, moved in with me. 819 00:47:37,773 --> 00:47:39,869 I'd met her by then. 820 00:47:50,869 --> 00:47:53,164 We arrived at this gate 821 00:47:53,164 --> 00:47:56,793 and a gardener came with a shotgun broken off 822 00:47:56,793 --> 00:47:58,628 and said, "What do you want?" 823 00:47:58,628 --> 00:48:00,505 And we said, "Is this Gedding Hall?" 824 00:48:00,505 --> 00:48:02,297 And he said, "Yes." 825 00:48:02,297 --> 00:48:05,050 And I said, "We understand that the place is goin' up 826 00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:06,012 for sale tomorrow. Could we have a look?" 827 00:48:07,012 --> 00:48:08,679 And he said, "Well, the owners are not here 828 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,768 but I'll show you 'round the outside." 829 00:48:13,768 --> 00:48:16,896 And I saw this unbelievable house 830 00:48:16,896 --> 00:48:19,400 which I just couldn't believe. 831 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,074 Oh, God, it was extraordinary. 832 00:48:29,074 --> 00:48:32,077 The owner was Jeff Allen. 833 00:48:32,077 --> 00:48:34,873 He took me into the lounge for a cup of tea 834 00:48:34,873 --> 00:48:39,668 and I saw a 10 by 8 photo on the top of the TV 835 00:48:39,668 --> 00:48:43,047 of Ronnie, Reggie and Charlie Kray 836 00:48:43,047 --> 00:48:45,759 saying "Love to Jeff from the boys." 837 00:48:45,759 --> 00:48:47,760 "Uh, what's that, Mr. Allen?" 838 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,471 He says, "Oh, they -- they're the Krays. 839 00:48:49,471 --> 00:48:51,309 They're friends of mine. They're nice lads." 840 00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:56,101 I found later that he was a godfather 841 00:48:56,101 --> 00:48:59,146 and he would invest their money in country houses and stuff 842 00:48:59,146 --> 00:49:01,775 but that's another story. 843 00:49:01,775 --> 00:49:03,610 I asked him how much he wanted for the property 844 00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:06,237 and it was 45,000 pounds. 845 00:49:06,237 --> 00:49:08,782 After being a top band for five years 846 00:49:08,782 --> 00:49:10,115 we didn't have money. 847 00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,702 Money always seemed to vanish. 848 00:49:12,702 --> 00:49:14,954 Jeff, bless him, did a deal 849 00:49:14,954 --> 00:49:18,166 and let me have it for a price I could afford. 850 00:49:18,166 --> 00:49:19,958 He said, "I'll tell you what. 851 00:49:19,958 --> 00:49:22,878 "I admire you. You're a self-made man like me. 852 00:49:22,878 --> 00:49:25,798 "I come from the east end of London, you come from London. 853 00:49:25,798 --> 00:49:27,509 It's yours." 854 00:49:27,509 --> 00:49:28,717 It's a wonderful place. 855 00:49:28,717 --> 00:49:31,304 I mean, my soul is there, I think. 856 00:49:31,304 --> 00:49:33,309 I'm never happier than when I'm there. 857 00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:38,894 So when the drug busts were coming in '67 858 00:49:38,894 --> 00:49:40,148 I was just reading it in the press. 859 00:49:42,148 --> 00:49:44,442 Mr. Jagger accused of allowing his home 860 00:49:44,442 --> 00:49:46,485 at West Wittering to be used for the purpose 861 00:49:46,485 --> 00:49:50,155 of smoking cannabis resin, better known as hashish. 862 00:49:50,155 --> 00:49:52,742 And after the three-minute hearing, Jones came out 863 00:49:52,742 --> 00:49:55,286 through the back of the court and drove away 864 00:49:55,286 --> 00:49:57,579 crouching down on the rear seat of a car. 865 00:49:57,579 --> 00:49:59,748 I honestly didn't know whether who was gonna be in jail 866 00:49:59,748 --> 00:50:02,376 what week and who was gonna be in the studio. 867 00:50:02,376 --> 00:50:04,295 I didn't want anything to do with drugs. 868 00:50:04,295 --> 00:50:06,672 I didn't confront it with them. 869 00:50:06,672 --> 00:50:09,675 I just ignored it, stepped away from it 870 00:50:09,675 --> 00:50:12,012 and got stuck into what I wanted to do. 871 00:50:13,012 --> 00:50:16,056 I was avoiding facing their problem 872 00:50:16,056 --> 00:50:17,851 because it wasn't my problem. 873 00:50:17,851 --> 00:50:20,603 So I was living two lives, really. 874 00:50:21,603 --> 00:50:24,648 Once, I had a puff of some bloody joint they had. 875 00:50:24,648 --> 00:50:28,862 Apparently, it had elephant tranquilizer in it. 876 00:50:28,862 --> 00:50:30,989 I went down this corridor and there was someone coming 877 00:50:30,989 --> 00:50:32,865 towards me that I kind of vaguely knew 878 00:50:32,865 --> 00:50:34,867 so I stopped and chatted to them 879 00:50:34,867 --> 00:50:37,871 for about 10 or 15 minutes. 880 00:50:37,871 --> 00:50:39,998 And then I looked up again and it was me. 881 00:50:39,998 --> 00:50:41,750 I was looking in the mirror. 882 00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:43,840 And I thought, "I don't fucking need this." 883 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,134 I have to have my feet on the ground. 884 00:50:51,134 --> 00:50:53,260 I can't go floatin' off. 885 00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:56,222 The emptiness underneath me terrifies me. 886 00:50:56,222 --> 00:50:58,474 I've got a phobia about it. 887 00:50:58,474 --> 00:51:00,476 Most people think there's something else 888 00:51:00,476 --> 00:51:03,646 on the other side of the street which they're not experiencin' 889 00:51:03,646 --> 00:51:07,233 and so they wanna go there and try it out, don't they? 890 00:51:07,233 --> 00:51:09,235 So if you look at any band 891 00:51:09,235 --> 00:51:12,822 and I mean any band from the mid '60s 892 00:51:12,822 --> 00:51:15,492 you've got losses. Every band. 893 00:51:15,492 --> 00:51:18,494 Searching for something that really ain't there. 894 00:51:18,494 --> 00:51:21,416 Brian was a typical example of that. 895 00:51:23,416 --> 00:51:26,378 I was really sad when Brian started 896 00:51:26,378 --> 00:51:28,797 to, uh, fall to bits basically. 897 00:51:29,797 --> 00:51:32,217 We'd be in LA and we'd go out to the clubs 898 00:51:32,217 --> 00:51:33,760 and he'd be on LSD. 899 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,596 And he -- he'd be getting out the limo and going 900 00:51:36,596 --> 00:51:38,431 "Oh, look, there's snakes all over the ground." 901 00:51:38,431 --> 00:51:39,932 He'd be jumping about all over the ground. 902 00:51:39,932 --> 00:51:42,976 Fucking hell, Brian. You know, "The ceiling's on fire." 903 00:51:42,976 --> 00:51:45,188 Oh, yeah. Yeah, it certainly is, Brian. 904 00:51:45,188 --> 00:51:47,440 I just used to let him get on with it, but, um 905 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,782 he would go off on those tangents a lot. 906 00:51:55,782 --> 00:51:58,326 He was thrown out of the band 907 00:51:58,326 --> 00:52:00,978 and he died a month later. 908 00:52:25,978 --> 00:52:28,063 Charlie phoned me up. 909 00:52:28,063 --> 00:52:30,650 He just said, "Brian died." 910 00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:32,693 I couldn't believe it, you know. 911 00:52:32,693 --> 00:52:35,905 The press was so bad at the funeral. 912 00:52:35,905 --> 00:52:39,826 I mean, everybody's around the grave, you know 913 00:52:39,826 --> 00:52:42,619 and they're -- they're putting the coffin in and all that 914 00:52:42,619 --> 00:52:45,581 and the, the preacher's reading -- reading out 915 00:52:45,581 --> 00:52:47,333 and, like, all his family and relatives 916 00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:50,378 are all, like, tranquillized and everything. 917 00:52:50,378 --> 00:52:51,795 Everybody's crying and upset. 918 00:52:51,795 --> 00:52:54,048 There's thousands of fans everywhere. 919 00:52:54,048 --> 00:52:55,342 And there's kids running up to you 920 00:52:55,342 --> 00:52:57,510 asking for autographs, you know. 921 00:52:57,510 --> 00:53:00,722 And, uh, there's press guys with cameras everywhere 922 00:53:00,722 --> 00:53:03,016 like all leaning over you and getting snaps in the.. 923 00:53:04,016 --> 00:53:05,393 Oh, man, it was really sick. 924 00:53:05,393 --> 00:53:10,065 There's...movies going and all that, you know. 925 00:53:10,065 --> 00:53:11,193 There was no respect at all. 926 00:53:13,193 --> 00:53:16,992 And when he went, it really sort of got me bad. 927 00:53:20,992 --> 00:53:23,378 Somebody a bit special. 928 00:53:31,378 --> 00:53:33,380 That planned Hyde Park concert 929 00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:36,215 ended up being a bit of a memorial to Brian 930 00:53:36,215 --> 00:53:38,552 because of his death two days earlier. 931 00:53:39,552 --> 00:53:42,222 An English park on a Saturday afternoon 932 00:53:42,222 --> 00:53:44,431 July 5, 1969. 933 00:53:44,431 --> 00:53:48,186 There must be 200,000 people here, youngsters. 934 00:53:48,186 --> 00:53:49,813 In about another hour, I should imagine 935 00:53:49,813 --> 00:53:52,273 there will be a quarter of a million. 936 00:53:52,273 --> 00:53:54,994 And it was extraordinary that day. 937 00:54:17,465 --> 00:54:19,092 Alright! 938 00:54:31,146 --> 00:54:34,940 ♪ You know I'm yours and I'm hers ♪ 939 00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:38,949 ♪ Somebody else's too ♪ 940 00:54:42,949 --> 00:54:46,460 ♪ You know I'm yours and I'm hers ♪♪ 941 00:54:54,460 --> 00:54:56,755 It was Mick Taylor's first show with us. 942 00:54:56,755 --> 00:54:59,132 That must have been a staggerin' thing for him. 943 00:54:59,132 --> 00:55:01,259 The first gig with a band 944 00:55:01,259 --> 00:55:04,971 and you're playin' half a million people. 945 00:55:04,971 --> 00:55:07,681 From every direction I looked at 946 00:55:07,681 --> 00:55:09,809 there were just heads 947 00:55:09,809 --> 00:55:12,436 and it was just like a carpet of different colored hair. 948 00:55:12,436 --> 00:55:15,443 That's what I could explain it as. 949 00:55:19,443 --> 00:55:21,362 The whole day was wonderful. 950 00:55:21,362 --> 00:55:25,532 There was no -- no violence, no fights, no drugs, no.. 951 00:55:25,532 --> 00:55:27,751 It just went like a dream. 952 00:55:34,751 --> 00:55:36,003 That autumn, we set off on a tour of America 953 00:55:37,003 --> 00:55:39,507 with Mick Taylor and it was a wonderful tour. 954 00:55:41,507 --> 00:55:44,510 The future of the band was looking very healthy 955 00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:45,929 and positive. 956 00:55:45,929 --> 00:55:48,514 You didn't have so much of the screamin' 957 00:55:48,514 --> 00:55:51,643 or very little of it, and people were listening. 958 00:55:52,643 --> 00:55:54,813 And then came Altamont. 959 00:55:54,813 --> 00:55:58,233 We wanted to repeat Hyde Park in America 960 00:55:58,233 --> 00:56:00,902 as a thank you to the US fans. 961 00:56:00,902 --> 00:56:02,862 Okay, it's definitely on. 962 00:56:02,862 --> 00:56:04,572 The Rolling Stones are not going to appear 963 00:56:04,572 --> 00:56:07,282 at the, uh, raceway in Sonoma. 964 00:56:07,282 --> 00:56:09,744 They've decided now they're going to hold the concert 965 00:56:09,744 --> 00:56:13,123 with the Grateful Dead, the Jefferson Airplane, Santana 966 00:56:13,123 --> 00:56:16,041 and, of course, the Rolling Stones at Altamont Speedway 967 00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:18,420 which is halfway between Tracy and Livermore. 968 00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:20,137 What you do is you catch Highway 80.. 969 00:56:28,137 --> 00:56:29,722 I don't really like talking about Altamont 970 00:56:29,722 --> 00:56:33,559 'cause it was such an awful, awful, awful event. 971 00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:35,728 The violence just never stopped. 972 00:56:35,728 --> 00:56:38,398 And we kept trying to stop it, and we knew if we just 973 00:56:38,398 --> 00:56:40,150 walked off the stage, it'd probably be worse. 974 00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:42,735 So we hung on and tried to cool people out 975 00:56:42,735 --> 00:56:44,452 and it didn't work. 976 00:56:51,452 --> 00:56:53,579 Four people in the audience, uh, died 977 00:56:53,579 --> 00:56:56,081 one of them from stab wounds, and the argument goes on 978 00:56:56,081 --> 00:56:58,543 about how and what is to blame for that 979 00:56:58,543 --> 00:57:01,628 or how that could have been prevented, I should say. 980 00:57:01,628 --> 00:57:03,882 Sometimes things get out of control 981 00:57:03,882 --> 00:57:06,384 and you can't do anything about it. 982 00:57:06,384 --> 00:57:09,554 It was the death of the '60s, that's what they called it. 983 00:57:09,554 --> 00:57:12,806 The death of the '60s. It was, really. 984 00:57:12,806 --> 00:57:16,603 It was the time when the Stones could have just died 985 00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:18,155 and they nearly did. 986 00:57:34,496 --> 00:57:37,456 By 1970, we all owed 987 00:57:37,456 --> 00:57:40,793 around about 100,000 pounds to the Inland Revenue 988 00:57:40,793 --> 00:57:42,795 which we thought had been paid. 989 00:57:42,795 --> 00:57:46,632 Tax with the labor government was between 83 and 93%. 990 00:57:46,632 --> 00:57:48,967 There was no way we could possibly 991 00:57:48,967 --> 00:57:50,387 earn enough money to pay it back. 992 00:57:50,387 --> 00:57:52,389 ♪ I saw her today ♪ 993 00:57:52,389 --> 00:57:54,474 It was impossible for us to stay in England 994 00:57:54,474 --> 00:57:56,018 and so we had to go to France. 995 00:57:57,018 --> 00:58:00,105 ♪ A glass of wine in her hand ♪ 996 00:58:00,105 --> 00:58:02,315 And then, of course, we became the very first tax exiles. 997 00:58:02,315 --> 00:58:05,985 ♪ I knew she was gonna meet her connection ♪ 998 00:58:05,985 --> 00:58:07,654 It was difficult. We're probably 999 00:58:07,654 --> 00:58:09,739 the most robbed band ever 1000 00:58:09,739 --> 00:58:11,327 but you learn, don't you? 1001 00:58:14,327 --> 00:58:18,248 ♪ You can't always get what you want ♪ 1002 00:58:18,248 --> 00:58:20,666 I mean, some bands have one shot, they got nothing 1003 00:58:20,666 --> 00:58:21,001 that's the end of it. 1004 00:58:22,001 --> 00:58:24,420 They don't have the chance of moving on 1005 00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:25,963 to improve their situation. 1006 00:58:25,963 --> 00:58:30,844 ♪ You can't always get what you want ♪ 1007 00:58:30,844 --> 00:58:34,514 But I hated leaving England. I hated it. 1008 00:58:34,514 --> 00:58:37,307 But we were told there was no alternative. 1009 00:58:46,483 --> 00:58:48,695 When I left that mornin' 1010 00:58:48,695 --> 00:58:52,364 and I left my mom and dad there and my son, Stephen 1011 00:58:52,364 --> 00:58:55,367 I was tearful, and I really didn't wanna go. 1012 00:58:55,367 --> 00:58:58,288 ♪ Fair share of abuse ♪♪ 1013 00:58:58,288 --> 00:59:00,717 I was sure I wasn't gonna like living in France. 1014 00:59:59,056 --> 00:00:01,768 People thought we all went and lived in the same house. 1015 01:00:06,648 --> 01:00:08,608 We had to look for somewhere to record 1016 01:00:08,608 --> 01:00:11,360 because, you know, we needed a new record. 1017 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,800 And in the end, we never found anything. 1018 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,594 We have to go to Keith's house to do it. 1019 01:00:36,594 --> 01:00:38,221 Keith insists, otherwise Keith ain't ever 1020 01:00:38,221 --> 01:00:40,224 gonna go to the session, you know. 1021 01:00:42,224 --> 01:00:44,481 That's where we recorded Exile On Main Street. 1022 01:00:48,481 --> 01:00:51,233 We did it in the basement of his house. 1023 01:00:51,233 --> 01:00:52,777 It was a sad time 1024 01:00:52,777 --> 01:00:56,447 because everybody just got absorbed in takin' drugs. 1025 01:00:56,447 --> 01:00:59,367 I didn't want it. I didn't want anything of it, apart from the music. 1026 01:01:09,585 --> 01:01:12,130 ♪ I wanna tell you about a dance ♪♪ 1027 01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:14,715 We were in this basement, which was like an oven. 1028 01:01:14,715 --> 01:01:17,010 And there's pictures of us lying on the floor, you know. 1029 01:01:18,010 --> 01:01:22,306 Whatever inconveniences, whatever things were impossible 1030 01:01:22,306 --> 01:01:24,268 to deal with sometimes, it worked. 1031 01:01:26,268 --> 01:01:29,190 We were dynamite. Un -- unbeatable, really. 1032 01:01:30,190 --> 01:01:32,318 Title five, take one. 1033 01:01:51,628 --> 01:01:53,505 Last week, New York City finally got to see 1034 01:01:53,505 --> 01:01:54,505 and hear the Rolling Stones. 1035 01:01:54,505 --> 01:01:55,882 We were the last stop on a tour 1036 01:01:55,882 --> 01:01:57,887 that I'm sure most of you have heard about. 1037 01:02:01,887 --> 01:02:03,597 Would you ever do 30 cities again 1038 01:02:03,597 --> 01:02:05,226 in that amount of time if it were up to you? 1039 01:02:07,226 --> 01:02:09,061 As long as I get a holiday, you know. 1040 01:02:09,061 --> 01:02:11,123 There's never been so much energy as on this tour. 1041 01:03:10,123 --> 01:03:11,458 If the Stones broke up 1042 01:03:11,458 --> 01:03:13,293 I don't wanna start any rumors 'cause there aren't any 1043 01:03:13,293 --> 01:03:16,463 but if they did, say, next week after this tour 1044 01:03:16,463 --> 01:03:17,800 what would you do? 1045 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,802 You know, I always tried to live a normal life 1046 01:03:22,802 --> 01:03:25,262 when I would finished recording or finished touring 1047 01:03:25,262 --> 01:03:28,141 or finished the concert or whatever it was 1048 01:03:28,141 --> 01:03:31,646 I'd go back and try to be normal. 1049 01:03:33,646 --> 01:03:36,648 We managed to build finances 1050 01:03:36,648 --> 01:03:39,943 and be able to pay our taxes and still have money. 1051 01:03:39,943 --> 01:03:42,322 And then, of course, it opened me 1052 01:03:42,322 --> 01:03:44,702 to a whole new life here. 1053 01:04:03,592 --> 01:04:05,679 You've got a lovely suntan. 1054 01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,097 This presumably is, uh, south of France suntan 1055 01:04:08,097 --> 01:04:09,932 because that's where you're living now, is it not? 1056 01:04:09,932 --> 01:04:11,476 Yeah, that's my French look. 1057 01:04:11,476 --> 01:04:13,686 What do you do when you're there apart from sunbathe? 1058 01:04:13,686 --> 01:04:16,356 In France, there are so many different people 1059 01:04:16,356 --> 01:04:18,233 to -- to mix with 1060 01:04:18,233 --> 01:04:20,402 and, uh, I meet with quite a lot of them 1061 01:04:20,402 --> 01:04:23,195 and going to art exhibitions, all kinds of stuff. 1062 01:04:23,195 --> 01:04:24,240 It's really nice. 1063 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,701 And I did meet Andre Verde 1064 01:04:27,701 --> 01:04:30,452 who was the one that introduced me to artists 1065 01:04:30,452 --> 01:04:32,887 and poets and writers and sculptors. 1066 01:04:48,887 --> 01:04:50,514 And you would go to the little dinners 1067 01:04:50,514 --> 01:04:52,726 in the local restaurants. 1068 01:04:52,726 --> 01:04:54,692 It became a lovely little family. 1069 01:05:00,692 --> 01:05:03,862 And then I met Jimmy Baldwin, fucking hell. 1070 01:05:03,862 --> 01:05:05,572 I met him at the Colombe d'Or. 1071 01:05:05,572 --> 01:05:06,905 I'd go to his house 1072 01:05:06,905 --> 01:05:09,742 and I realized how much he loved Ray Charles. 1073 01:05:09,742 --> 01:05:11,244 And I didn't know a lot about Ray Charles. 1074 01:05:11,244 --> 01:05:13,454 I'd seen a Ray Charles concert 1075 01:05:13,454 --> 01:05:16,166 with Keith and Charlie in '64 in England. 1076 01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:17,458 I said to Jimmy, "Can I borrow 1077 01:05:17,458 --> 01:05:18,876 some of your Ray Charles' records?" 1078 01:05:18,876 --> 01:05:20,210 He said, "Yeah." 1079 01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:22,630 He said, "I'll bring them up to your house." 1080 01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:24,423 And, God, over the next few days 1081 01:05:24,423 --> 01:05:26,717 I just played Ray Charles nonstop 1082 01:05:26,717 --> 01:05:31,057 and he became my favorite musician of the 20th century. 1083 01:05:33,057 --> 01:05:35,518 Then Andre Verde invited me 1084 01:05:35,518 --> 01:05:38,438 to go to Marc Chagall's house. 1085 01:05:38,438 --> 01:05:41,523 "You mean Marc Chagall, the painter?" 1086 01:05:41,523 --> 01:05:42,193 He said, "Yeah, yeah." 1087 01:05:44,193 --> 01:05:46,114 He was absolutely wonderful. 1088 01:05:48,114 --> 01:05:52,117 He said, "Your long hair, not original, change it." 1089 01:05:52,117 --> 01:05:54,329 I said, "But we were the first band with long hair." 1090 01:05:54,329 --> 01:05:57,331 He said, "Oh, that's okay then. Then you are the originals." 1091 01:05:59,125 --> 01:06:01,338 I was friends with him for the last eight years of his life. 1092 01:06:04,338 --> 01:06:08,342 I got to know the -- the simple way he lived. 1093 01:06:08,342 --> 01:06:10,512 You don't avoid all them little things. 1094 01:06:10,512 --> 01:06:13,222 They're all part of living, aren't they? 1095 01:06:13,222 --> 01:06:15,641 Of course, then you enjoy the bigger things better 1096 01:06:15,641 --> 01:06:17,643 if you deal with the little things. 1097 01:06:42,876 --> 01:06:44,795 So what's the purpose of doing the tour? 1098 01:06:44,795 --> 01:06:46,806 Oh, I got fed up with gardening. 1099 01:06:54,806 --> 01:06:58,059 Oh, man, the Rolling Stones are just it, you know. 1100 01:06:58,059 --> 01:06:59,019 What do you mean? 1101 01:07:00,019 --> 01:07:02,313 They're the greatest rock and roll band in the world. 1102 01:07:02,313 --> 01:07:05,858 ♪ Gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields ♪ 1103 01:07:05,858 --> 01:07:09,529 ♪ Sold in the market down in New Orleans ♪ 1104 01:07:09,529 --> 01:07:13,490 ♪ Scarred old slaver knows he's doin' alright ♪ 1105 01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:17,831 ♪ Hear him whip the women just around midnight ♪ 1106 01:07:19,831 --> 01:07:24,213 ♪ Brown sugar how come you taste so good? ♪ 1107 01:07:27,213 --> 01:07:28,715 ♪ Brown sugar ♪ 1108 01:07:28,715 --> 01:07:31,550 ♪ Just like a good boy should ♪ 1109 01:07:31,550 --> 01:07:35,137 ♪ Yeah yeah yeah woo ♪ 1110 01:07:35,137 --> 01:07:38,646 ♪ Just like a just like a black boy should ♪♪ 1111 01:07:55,032 --> 01:07:57,036 On a personal sense, Bill, is it difficult 1112 01:07:58,036 --> 01:08:01,246 in -- in some respects being a Rolling Stone 1113 01:08:01,246 --> 01:08:02,041 in terms of -- of the pressure that -- 1114 01:08:03,041 --> 01:08:05,085 That's difficult for a start, but carry on. 1115 01:08:05,085 --> 01:08:06,835 In terms of the pressure in the sense 1116 01:08:06,835 --> 01:08:09,260 that that brings on you as an individual? 1117 01:08:15,260 --> 01:08:17,764 There's a lot of difficulties, uh.. 1118 01:08:17,764 --> 01:08:20,225 I think the main difficulty in being a Rolling Stone 1119 01:08:20,225 --> 01:08:23,228 is to pursue your other interests. 1120 01:08:26,105 --> 01:08:28,899 I did the first solo album of a Stone in '73 1121 01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:30,122 called Monkey Grip. 1122 01:08:42,122 --> 01:08:45,625 ♪ Good old monkey grip monkey grip ♪ 1123 01:08:45,625 --> 01:08:47,962 ♪ Monkey grip monkey grip ♪♪ 1124 01:08:48,962 --> 01:08:51,881 I was regarded as bass player of the Rolling Stones. 1125 01:08:51,881 --> 01:08:53,966 I was not expected to be anything else 1126 01:08:53,966 --> 01:08:55,845 or to do anything else. 1127 01:08:56,845 --> 01:08:58,721 You really had to go out there 1128 01:08:58,721 --> 01:09:00,810 and try to prove yourself. 1129 01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:05,936 You did an album back in '74 with Buddy Guy 1130 01:09:05,936 --> 01:09:07,439 uh, Buddy Guy and Junior Wells 1131 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,984 who were two of the original Chicago Blues Brothers. 1132 01:09:10,984 --> 01:09:14,319 I was just asked to get a rhythm section together 1133 01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,488 to play with them at the Montreux Jazz Festival 1134 01:09:16,488 --> 01:09:17,493 in Switzerland. 1135 01:09:20,493 --> 01:09:23,078 I got this phone call from Claude Nobbs. 1136 01:09:23,078 --> 01:09:24,413 He said, "I'd like to invite you 1137 01:09:24,413 --> 01:09:25,998 "to the Montreux Jazz Festival 1138 01:09:25,998 --> 01:09:27,250 "because I've got Muddy Waters 1139 01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:28,626 "and he hasn't got a band or anything. 1140 01:09:28,626 --> 01:09:29,918 "Do you think you could put 1141 01:09:29,918 --> 01:09:31,628 a little rhythm section together?" 1142 01:09:31,628 --> 01:09:34,632 We just loaded up, and I drove to Switzerland. 1143 01:09:35,632 --> 01:09:37,720 ♪ Gonna make pretty women ♪ 1144 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,515 ♪ Jump and shout ♪ 1145 01:09:43,515 --> 01:09:45,935 ♪ Then the world wanna know ♪ 1146 01:09:46,935 --> 01:09:49,229 ♪ What's this all about ♪ 1147 01:09:49,229 --> 01:09:51,528 ♪ But they'll know I'm here ♪ 1148 01:09:55,528 --> 01:09:58,699 ♪ Everybody knows I'm here ♪♪ 1149 01:10:00,699 --> 01:10:03,536 Buddy Guy and Junior Wells are sittin' on the side 1150 01:10:03,536 --> 01:10:07,041 listenin' to us and Buddy says, "Can you be our support band?" 1151 01:10:08,041 --> 01:10:09,542 I said, "Yeah, yeah." 1152 01:10:09,542 --> 01:10:13,715 ♪ The thing that I think I would do ♪ 1153 01:10:15,715 --> 01:10:19,903 ♪ Ooh no one will never know ♪♪ 1154 01:10:36,903 --> 01:10:39,154 We went there to back up Muddy Waters. 1155 01:10:39,154 --> 01:10:42,951 So I needed that bass player to fill every missed note 1156 01:10:42,951 --> 01:10:44,493 which I still do. 1157 01:10:44,493 --> 01:10:48,247 Every note I missed, I wanted him to...fill in for me 1158 01:10:48,247 --> 01:10:51,583 'cause I was missin' a lot of notes back then. 1159 01:10:51,583 --> 01:10:56,296 Somebody like him can get the word out faster than I can. 1160 01:10:56,296 --> 01:10:58,257 People still look at those guys 1161 01:10:58,257 --> 01:11:02,302 as the greatest rock and roll band that ever played. 1162 01:11:13,148 --> 01:11:16,067 Glyn Johns rings up and says, "Bill, are you interested 1163 01:11:16,067 --> 01:11:18,110 in doing a session tomorrow for me?" 1164 01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:20,613 He says, "I need you to play with Howlin' Wolf." 1165 01:11:20,613 --> 01:11:23,408 I went, "What? Howlin' Wolf? 1166 01:11:23,408 --> 01:11:25,076 Bloody hell, put me in. Who else is on?" 1167 01:11:25,076 --> 01:11:26,453 And he says, "Well, I've got Charlie." 1168 01:11:26,453 --> 01:11:28,287 And I thought, "Oh, fantastic." 1169 01:11:28,287 --> 01:11:31,623 "And Eric Clapton. It will be the three of you." 1170 01:11:31,623 --> 01:11:34,877 I went, "Oh, God almighty. I'd love it, yes." 1171 01:11:34,877 --> 01:11:37,465 ♪ Well I got a little red rooster ♪ 1172 01:11:38,465 --> 01:11:42,969 ♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪ 1173 01:11:42,969 --> 01:11:45,305 And so I went down the next day 1174 01:11:45,305 --> 01:11:49,141 met up with everybody and said hello to Wolf. 1175 01:11:49,141 --> 01:11:52,520 Bloody hell. I was saying hello to my hero. 1176 01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,064 Alright, let -- let everybody get together then 1177 01:11:55,064 --> 01:11:56,358 and we'll try to make it. 1178 01:11:56,358 --> 01:11:59,152 Wolf had a voice that, uh, nobody else had. 1179 01:11:59,152 --> 01:12:02,363 Oh, man, come on, he.. 1180 01:12:02,363 --> 01:12:04,282 He ain't got nothin' to do but count off. 1181 01:12:04,282 --> 01:12:06,827 Alright, let's get on it. 1182 01:12:07,827 --> 01:12:11,997 It was wonderful to do it with Wolf and meet his family. 1183 01:12:11,997 --> 01:12:14,167 He was a lovely man, he was so gentle. 1184 01:12:14,167 --> 01:12:15,542 He was this gentle giant. 1185 01:12:15,542 --> 01:12:18,880 He was terrifying to look at and to be around. 1186 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,006 Those moments are there to be caught. 1187 01:12:21,006 --> 01:12:23,804 But you're bloody lucky most times if you catch 'em. 1188 01:12:25,804 --> 01:12:28,942 ♪ Too lazy to crow for day ♪♪ 1189 01:12:38,942 --> 01:12:40,694 We got the message from the office 1190 01:12:40,694 --> 01:12:43,279 that Mick Taylor said I've left. 1191 01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,032 Fuck, now we were just gonna start recording. 1192 01:12:46,032 --> 01:12:48,286 We haven't got a fucking guitar player, you know. 1193 01:12:50,286 --> 01:12:51,871 Tune up room session. 1194 01:12:51,871 --> 01:12:53,372 Ah! 1195 01:12:56,376 --> 01:13:00,546 ♪ Baby baby I've been so sad ♪ 1196 01:13:00,546 --> 01:13:05,135 It finally came down to trying to borrow Woody for the tour. 1197 01:13:05,135 --> 01:13:06,677 Borrowing him from the Faces. 1198 01:13:06,677 --> 01:13:08,595 ♪ Where you do belong ♪ 1199 01:13:08,595 --> 01:13:11,599 He was a nice catalyst between me and Charlie 1200 01:13:11,599 --> 01:13:13,810 and Keith and Mick. 1201 01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:17,479 Ronnie was like the clown that sort of linked it all together. 1202 01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,733 ♪ If I ever get back to Fun City ♪ 1203 01:13:19,733 --> 01:13:23,863 ♪ Girl I'm gonna make you scream all night ♪♪ 1204 01:13:24,863 --> 01:13:26,739 What is it after so many years of touring 1205 01:13:26,739 --> 01:13:28,037 that -- that keeps you going? 1206 01:13:33,037 --> 01:13:35,539 I don't know. Just playing together. 1207 01:13:35,539 --> 01:13:38,542 All -- all the memories and all the places, the people. 1208 01:13:38,542 --> 01:13:40,502 Uh, I can't -- I can't explain it. 1209 01:13:40,502 --> 01:13:42,046 It's just good to get on the stage 1210 01:13:42,046 --> 01:13:44,298 and play in front of people who wanna listen to you. 1211 01:14:18,041 --> 01:14:20,002 ♪ Mama and papa told me I was crazy to stay ♪ 1212 01:14:21,002 --> 01:14:23,630 ♪ I was a fag in New York I was gay ♪♪ 1213 01:14:23,630 --> 01:14:28,134 In July '78, I tripped on some cables 1214 01:14:28,134 --> 01:14:30,011 and fell about 6 or 7 feet with my guitar 1215 01:14:31,011 --> 01:14:32,555 and was knocked out. 1216 01:14:32,555 --> 01:14:34,349 Everybody else had gone 1217 01:14:34,349 --> 01:14:37,351 and then suddenly realized that I was nowhere around. 1218 01:14:37,351 --> 01:14:39,645 So people came back and just saw my silver boots 1219 01:14:39,645 --> 01:14:42,231 stickin' out through the curtain. 1220 01:14:42,231 --> 01:14:45,568 And for the rest of that tour, I had to play 1221 01:14:45,568 --> 01:14:48,126 with two central fingers strapped up. 1222 01:15:01,126 --> 01:15:03,627 '81, we toured America. 1223 01:15:03,627 --> 01:15:05,587 Massive tour of America, it was wonderful. 1224 01:15:19,019 --> 01:15:21,270 '82, we toured Europe. 1225 01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:24,899 Same thing. Also massive and wonderful. 1226 01:15:24,899 --> 01:15:27,068 ♪ I've been holding out so long ♪ 1227 01:15:27,068 --> 01:15:29,362 ♪ I've been sleeping all alone ♪ 1228 01:15:29,362 --> 01:15:30,871 ♪ Girl I miss you ♪♪ 1229 01:15:37,871 --> 01:15:40,206 And then nothing happened. 1230 01:15:40,206 --> 01:15:41,541 Mick and Keith started arguing 1231 01:15:41,541 --> 01:15:43,917 and fighting about God knows what. 1232 01:15:43,917 --> 01:15:46,212 We never played a gig for seven years. 1233 01:15:46,212 --> 01:15:49,923 In the meantime, I started to look out for myself. 1234 01:16:16,826 --> 01:16:19,828 Great, let's break and, uh, have some tea 1235 01:16:19,828 --> 01:16:22,122 and then we'll come up and listen to it again all the way through, shall we? 1236 01:16:22,122 --> 01:16:24,585 That's good. That sounds really good to me. 1237 01:16:25,585 --> 01:16:28,880 Everybody wants to do a solo album, but not seriously. 1238 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,925 So I sat down and, uh, started writin'. 1239 01:16:31,925 --> 01:16:33,717 I -- I made up little cassettes at home 1240 01:16:33,717 --> 01:16:35,011 on this terrible little tape recorder I've got 1241 01:16:36,011 --> 01:16:39,474 not a ReVox or anything sophisticated. 1242 01:16:39,474 --> 01:16:42,060 When I did "Je Suis Un Rock Star," everything went crazy. 1243 01:16:42,060 --> 01:16:44,104 ♪ Je suis un rock star ♪ 1244 01:16:44,104 --> 01:16:46,146 ♪ Je avais un residence ♪ 1245 01:16:46,146 --> 01:16:48,565 ♪ Je habiter la ♪ 1246 01:16:48,565 --> 01:16:50,777 ♪ A la south of France ♪ 1247 01:16:50,777 --> 01:16:52,945 ♪ Voulez vous ♪ 1248 01:16:52,945 --> 01:16:54,613 ♪ Partir with me? ♪ 1249 01:16:54,613 --> 01:16:58,744 ♪ And come and rester la with me in France ♪ 1250 01:17:00,744 --> 01:17:03,288 Playing the single now. 1251 01:17:03,288 --> 01:17:06,792 That is Bill Wyman, "Si, Si, Chay Suis Un Rock Star." 1252 01:17:06,792 --> 01:17:08,293 Am I saying that right, Bill? 1253 01:17:08,293 --> 01:17:11,756 "Je Suis Un Rock Star." I am a rock star, yeah. 1254 01:17:11,756 --> 01:17:16,136 I don't believe it. I mean, I'm not serious. 1255 01:17:16,136 --> 01:17:18,805 Currently in Europe, your single is, uh 1256 01:17:18,805 --> 01:17:21,306 in the top ten, right? In -- In England? 1257 01:17:21,306 --> 01:17:23,685 Yeah, it's gone top 15 in every country so far 1258 01:17:23,685 --> 01:17:25,145 and I'm really pleased with it. 1259 01:17:25,145 --> 01:17:29,064 I'm very naively excited about having a hit record 1260 01:17:29,064 --> 01:17:31,609 just like I was in '63 with the Stones. 1261 01:17:31,609 --> 01:17:33,819 It's -- it's like Christmas. 1262 01:17:33,819 --> 01:17:36,698 ♪ Je avais un residence ♪♪ 1263 01:17:36,698 --> 01:17:38,283 Tell me, Bill, is it different 1264 01:17:38,283 --> 01:17:39,951 when a superstar goes to the men's room 1265 01:17:39,951 --> 01:17:42,119 than for your average ordinary person? 1266 01:17:42,119 --> 01:17:44,497 Um, yeah. 1267 01:17:44,497 --> 01:17:46,582 What's the difference? 1268 01:17:46,582 --> 01:17:48,837 - You have a super pee. - Super pee. 1269 01:17:55,382 --> 01:17:57,886 Everybody thought that our life was so romantic 1270 01:17:57,886 --> 01:17:59,679 and wonderful and exciting and all that. 1271 01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:02,724 It was for two hours, if you were on stage. 1272 01:18:02,724 --> 01:18:05,856 The rest of the time was boredom. 1273 01:18:10,856 --> 01:18:14,030 It's very difficult to keep your sanity, actually. 1274 01:18:18,030 --> 01:18:19,615 You moved away from all your friends. 1275 01:18:19,615 --> 01:18:20,824 You were always traveling. 1276 01:18:20,824 --> 01:18:22,702 You're always on the road, you know. 1277 01:18:22,702 --> 01:18:24,703 So it's forever changin'. 1278 01:18:24,703 --> 01:18:27,631 Nothing's kind of permanent. 1279 01:18:34,631 --> 01:18:36,675 There was no time. 1280 01:18:36,675 --> 01:18:38,551 I mean, you looked around suddenly 1281 01:18:38,551 --> 01:18:42,596 and you hadn't seen your cousin Peter for two years 1282 01:18:42,596 --> 01:18:45,016 and even brothers and sisters you almost lose touch with 1283 01:18:46,016 --> 01:18:48,240 because you're -- you're livin' in a different world. 1284 01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,536 I got this invite to go to this event 1285 01:19:04,536 --> 01:19:07,666 and there was all these people dancing in the front. 1286 01:19:09,666 --> 01:19:13,086 I saw this beautiful girl with her hair up. 1287 01:19:13,086 --> 01:19:16,761 I spoke to her and found her name was Mandy Smith. 1288 01:19:21,761 --> 01:19:24,389 It was from the heart. It wasn't from, like, lust 1289 01:19:24,389 --> 01:19:27,774 or anything like that which people was seeing it as. 1290 01:19:38,278 --> 01:19:41,072 Bill, were you in any way, were you in any way hesitant 1291 01:19:41,072 --> 01:19:44,074 having been a bachelor boy for so long 1292 01:19:44,074 --> 01:19:45,743 or free -- free spirit for so long 1293 01:19:45,743 --> 01:19:47,328 were you very hesitant about 1294 01:19:47,328 --> 01:19:49,997 taking the months of marriage again? 1295 01:19:49,997 --> 01:19:51,541 No, I always thought she was the right girl 1296 01:19:51,541 --> 01:19:53,960 from the moment I met her, but it was just the wrong time. 1297 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,587 She was too young. 1298 01:19:55,587 --> 01:19:58,631 I thought she had to go out and see life a bit 1299 01:19:58,631 --> 01:20:00,925 before she could make that kind of a decision. 1300 01:20:00,925 --> 01:20:03,302 He is the rebel Rolling Stone 1301 01:20:03,302 --> 01:20:05,137 but their wedding blessing today 1302 01:20:05,137 --> 01:20:07,390 could not have been more traditional. 1303 01:20:07,390 --> 01:20:09,475 They both said they wouldn't feel married 1304 01:20:09,475 --> 01:20:11,810 without the formalities of a church service. 1305 01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:14,149 And those they had, right down to the confettis. 1306 01:20:17,149 --> 01:20:18,734 When we first met each other, actually. 1307 01:20:18,734 --> 01:20:21,112 When, like, years ago, we wanted to get married 1308 01:20:21,112 --> 01:20:22,988 but obviously we couldn't. 1309 01:20:22,988 --> 01:20:24,865 The things work out in the end if they're right 1310 01:20:24,865 --> 01:20:26,826 and we always thought it was right since the beginning 1311 01:20:26,826 --> 01:20:28,332 and, uh, here we are. 1312 01:20:33,332 --> 01:20:37,341 I was really stupid to ever think it could possibly work. 1313 01:20:41,341 --> 01:20:44,594 Two sad marriages, really 1314 01:20:44,594 --> 01:20:47,689 and I decided it was time I got my fucking life in order. 1315 01:20:56,689 --> 01:21:01,819 Five, four, three, two, one. 1316 01:21:01,819 --> 01:21:03,570 Fire. 1317 01:21:04,988 --> 01:21:07,617 ♪ Start me up ♪ 1318 01:21:07,617 --> 01:21:09,202 ♪ If you start me up I'll never stop ♪ 1319 01:21:09,202 --> 01:21:12,372 We hadn't played one show from '82 to '89. 1320 01:21:12,372 --> 01:21:14,207 So it was a coming together again 1321 01:21:14,207 --> 01:21:16,211 but I saw it as a grand finale. 1322 01:21:18,211 --> 01:21:20,130 We did five Wembley Stadiums 1323 01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:22,760 we did six Shea Stadiums in New York. 1324 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,804 We went to Japan for the first time. 1325 01:21:27,804 --> 01:21:30,890 We played the Tokyo Dome, 45,000 people 1326 01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:33,393 ten shows one after the other. 1327 01:21:33,393 --> 01:21:35,603 It was fantastic. 1328 01:21:43,403 --> 01:21:45,364 ♪ I can't get no ♪ 1329 01:21:47,364 --> 01:21:50,076 In Prague, we played to 130,000 people 1330 01:21:50,076 --> 01:21:54,204 because they came from Poland and Hungary and Czechoslovakia. 1331 01:21:54,204 --> 01:21:56,416 All in all, those three tours 1332 01:21:56,416 --> 01:21:58,752 we played 120 shows 1333 01:21:58,752 --> 01:22:02,255 seven and a quarter million people. 1334 01:22:02,255 --> 01:22:03,006 It was extraordinary. 1335 01:22:04,006 --> 01:22:07,926 ♪ Supposed to fire my imagination ♪ 1336 01:22:07,926 --> 01:22:09,264 ♪ I can't get no ♪♪ 1337 01:22:11,264 --> 01:22:13,557 We finished that tour. 1338 01:22:13,557 --> 01:22:15,225 I just sat back 1339 01:22:15,225 --> 01:22:18,104 and I thought this is a nice time to end my career 1340 01:22:18,104 --> 01:22:20,403 with the Rolling Stones, on a big high. 1341 01:22:25,403 --> 01:22:26,988 So I left. 1342 01:22:30,824 --> 01:22:33,118 All those 31 years with the band 1343 01:22:33,118 --> 01:22:35,788 I -- I absolutely loved what we did 1344 01:22:35,788 --> 01:22:38,332 loved what we achieved. 1345 01:22:38,332 --> 01:22:43,945 But I needed to sort out my personal life and my future. 1346 01:23:07,945 --> 01:23:10,239 There's a very happy bird up there. 1347 01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:37,399 It's fantastic. 1348 01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:46,360 They're really cute little butterflies. 1349 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:52,114 ♪ Love is such a wonderful thing ♪ 1350 01:23:52,114 --> 01:23:55,409 ♪ When you need it ♪ 1351 01:23:55,409 --> 01:23:57,662 ♪ Look around for it ♪ 1352 01:23:57,662 --> 01:24:00,873 ♪ Love is such a wonderful thing ♪♪ 1353 01:24:00,873 --> 01:24:02,458 Go on, you go. 1354 01:24:02,458 --> 01:24:04,543 You've got a better memory than me on those days. 1355 01:24:04,543 --> 01:24:06,796 - Oh, yeah. Why? - The romantic moments. 1356 01:24:06,796 --> 01:24:08,881 Yeah, why do you forget all the romantic moments? 1357 01:24:08,881 --> 01:24:10,591 I do. I -- I remember all the other stuff. 1358 01:24:10,591 --> 01:24:12,886 You remember all the facts, but you forget all the romantic moments. 1359 01:24:12,886 --> 01:24:14,054 Yeah. 1360 01:24:14,054 --> 01:24:16,722 Suzanne and I met in 1979 1361 01:24:16,722 --> 01:24:21,603 and she became the inspiration for "Je Suis Un Rock Star." 1362 01:24:21,603 --> 01:24:24,564 - Can you see me in there? - Can you say famous? 1363 01:24:24,564 --> 01:24:25,564 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1364 01:24:25,564 --> 01:24:26,568 Hi. 1365 01:24:28,568 --> 01:24:30,403 We are cliche. 1366 01:24:30,403 --> 01:24:33,405 I was a model, he was a musician. 1367 01:24:33,405 --> 01:24:36,158 He was with a photographer, I was quite bored at the party 1368 01:24:36,158 --> 01:24:39,953 and I thought I should probably go up and talk to this photographer. 1369 01:24:39,953 --> 01:24:42,873 And Bill started to chat me up 1370 01:24:42,873 --> 01:24:45,417 and I started to -- to talk about music 1371 01:24:45,417 --> 01:24:48,253 askin' him why he was so interested in music. 1372 01:24:48,253 --> 01:24:50,345 And I felt kind of bad that I didn't recognize him. 1373 01:24:55,345 --> 01:24:56,305 And that's Matilda. 1374 01:24:58,305 --> 01:24:59,974 We got you. 1375 01:24:59,974 --> 01:25:01,018 Can we use your paintbrushes? 1376 01:25:02,018 --> 01:25:03,774 I guess so. It's a bit late now, isn't it? 1377 01:25:08,774 --> 01:25:11,569 Oh, we'll have to get these eggs. 1378 01:25:11,569 --> 01:25:16,115 When we decided to get married, it was to have a family. 1379 01:25:16,115 --> 01:25:18,327 He wanted to start life over again. 1380 01:25:19,327 --> 01:25:21,453 He just wanted to have a normal life. 1381 01:25:21,453 --> 01:25:24,623 He wanted to be able to walk down the street 1382 01:25:24,623 --> 01:25:27,460 and be able to go to a movie theater 1383 01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:28,877 without being bothered. 1384 01:25:28,877 --> 01:25:30,755 He just wanted to know what that felt like. 1385 01:25:30,755 --> 01:25:32,966 Yeah, so.. Shh. 1386 01:25:41,181 --> 01:25:44,020 When we got married and when we had the kids 1387 01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:47,814 it gave him time. 1388 01:25:47,814 --> 01:25:50,149 I think time is his foundation 1389 01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:52,109 and he wants to use all this time 1390 01:25:52,109 --> 01:25:54,948 in a very productive way. 1391 01:25:56,948 --> 01:25:59,324 He just has this need 1392 01:25:59,324 --> 01:26:04,329 to almost relive what he experienced 1393 01:26:04,329 --> 01:26:07,250 and put it in some sort of order 1394 01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:10,471 and find out who he really was and what he'd gone through. 1395 01:26:20,471 --> 01:26:24,184 So he started to dig out the old boxes 1396 01:26:24,184 --> 01:26:26,854 scannin' things.. 1397 01:26:27,854 --> 01:26:29,898 ...and really started to look at it 1398 01:26:29,898 --> 01:26:32,734 as a life's work ahead of him 1399 01:26:32,734 --> 01:26:35,779 that he had to complete. 1400 01:26:35,779 --> 01:26:38,864 I think when he works on the archive, it inspires him. 1401 01:26:38,864 --> 01:26:41,117 It's almost like he has a treasure 1402 01:26:41,117 --> 01:26:43,378 and he wants to share it with someone else. 1403 01:26:59,927 --> 01:27:02,055 And I decided to play music again. 1404 01:27:07,226 --> 01:27:09,729 Forming the Rhythm Kings enabled me to play 1405 01:27:09,729 --> 01:27:12,690 with a whole variety of wonderful musicians 1406 01:27:12,690 --> 01:27:16,069 and dig into the roots of -- of music 1407 01:27:16,069 --> 01:27:18,863 finding a lot of early stuff 1408 01:27:18,863 --> 01:27:21,865 which had been forgotten about and reviving it. 1409 01:27:45,015 --> 01:27:46,932 Do you mind, sir, putting that down? 1410 01:27:46,932 --> 01:27:48,935 We can't have that going on here. 1411 01:28:00,822 --> 01:28:05,076 The atmosphere on the bus, it's like, uh, it's a family. 1412 01:28:05,076 --> 01:28:06,994 He likes being around players. 1413 01:28:06,994 --> 01:28:09,372 He likes the jokes. 1414 01:28:09,372 --> 01:28:11,430 All his life, he's been a working player. 1415 01:28:26,430 --> 01:28:30,476 Bill is the kind of artist who wants to do the music 1416 01:28:30,476 --> 01:28:31,895 but he doesn't necessarily have to have 1417 01:28:31,895 --> 01:28:33,813 all the adulation for it. 1418 01:28:33,813 --> 01:28:36,610 He's playing his music for himself. 1419 01:28:39,610 --> 01:28:43,989 You have to have that courage to take that other road 1420 01:28:43,989 --> 01:28:45,492 to be yourself, to find yourself 1421 01:28:45,492 --> 01:28:48,161 because you can get lost in this road to stardom. 1422 01:28:48,161 --> 01:28:50,329 I mean, you really can, and that's all you have 1423 01:28:50,329 --> 01:28:53,207 and then maybe at the end of your life, you're like 1424 01:28:53,207 --> 01:28:56,336 "Wow, I wish I had, you know, taken a few moments 1425 01:28:56,336 --> 01:28:58,005 to stop and smell the roses." 1426 01:28:59,005 --> 01:29:00,840 And I don't think that Bill will ever say that. 1427 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,844 I think he has been able to not only smell them but name them. 1428 01:29:16,355 --> 01:29:19,192 To have gone through that life experience 1429 01:29:19,192 --> 01:29:24,363 and still be very rooted, really the child of the 1940s 1430 01:29:24,363 --> 01:29:26,868 I mean, you're looking at old England with this guy. 1431 01:29:28,868 --> 01:29:31,453 People only really get bothered by fame 1432 01:29:31,453 --> 01:29:34,832 or it disturbs them is when they start acting famous. 1433 01:29:34,832 --> 01:29:37,716 I don't think Bill ever started acting famous. 1434 01:29:42,716 --> 01:29:45,092 I can get by on things we do 1435 01:29:45,092 --> 01:29:47,886 and, uh, some better than average 1436 01:29:47,886 --> 01:29:50,140 better than some and worse than some. 1437 01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:51,890 But, uh, you can always learn 1438 01:29:51,890 --> 01:29:54,020 and you never become as good as you'd like to. 1439 01:29:55,020 --> 01:29:57,814 I don't think, no matter what you play. 1440 01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:04,904 ♪ Georgia Georgia ♪ 1441 01:30:04,904 --> 01:30:07,407 Ray Charles was playing at the South Bank. 1442 01:30:07,407 --> 01:30:10,326 And halfway through the concert, Ray Charles decides to do 1443 01:30:10,326 --> 01:30:12,453 "Georgia On My Mind" on the piano 1444 01:30:12,453 --> 01:30:15,582 and he dismisses the band and the Raylettes and everyone 1445 01:30:15,582 --> 01:30:19,293 and he's by himself on the stage, and he starts.. 1446 01:30:19,293 --> 01:30:22,881 ♪ Georgia da da da Georgia ♪ 1447 01:30:22,881 --> 01:30:25,466 And it was so emotional. 1448 01:30:25,466 --> 01:30:30,346 The whole audience, 4000 people in tears. 1449 01:30:30,346 --> 01:30:31,847 With Ray Charles, and I thought 1450 01:30:31,847 --> 01:30:34,600 "No one, no one 1451 01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,770 gets an audience like that, you know, except him." 1452 01:30:37,770 --> 01:30:42,524 It was amazing. And, uh, anyway, the concert finished. 1453 01:30:42,524 --> 01:30:45,529 See, I get emotional because it was so fantastic. 1454 01:30:46,529 --> 01:30:49,282 It finished, and the people, and my friends said 1455 01:30:49,282 --> 01:30:52,118 "Can we go backstage and meet him?" And I went.. 1456 01:30:53,536 --> 01:30:55,622 I said, "Musicians, they don't really like people 1457 01:30:55,622 --> 01:30:57,457 "coming backstage when they've just come offstage. 1458 01:30:57,457 --> 01:30:59,708 "They're exhausted, and they're tired, and they're sweaty 1459 01:30:59,708 --> 01:31:02,712 and they just wanna have a break and all that." 1460 01:31:02,712 --> 01:31:04,546 So I said, "No, I'd rather not." 1461 01:31:04,546 --> 01:31:07,132 They said, "Alright, but just stay here until the audience go 1462 01:31:07,132 --> 01:31:09,011 and then we can go quieter out." 1463 01:31:10,011 --> 01:31:12,639 While we were waiting there, someone came 1464 01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:15,850 from backstage, and they came over and said, um 1465 01:31:15,850 --> 01:31:18,479 "Mr. Charles knows you're here and he wants to invite you." 1466 01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,149 Because you admire him more than any other musician 1467 01:31:23,149 --> 01:31:24,859 don't you, yeah? 1468 01:31:29,698 --> 01:31:33,663 You know, it was, it was a fantastic moment. 1469 01:31:37,663 --> 01:31:39,458 - Just wait a minute. - It's okay. 1470 01:31:41,458 --> 01:31:43,671 Ah! Leave it a minute. 1471 01:31:44,671 --> 01:31:46,716 So.. 1472 01:31:47,716 --> 01:31:49,137 Yeah, he, uh.. 1473 01:31:53,137 --> 01:31:56,145 We went backstage and met him. 1474 01:32:00,145 --> 01:32:03,734 He was...fantastic. 1475 01:32:05,734 --> 01:32:08,278 - I can't do it, sorry. - Anyhow, they asked him.. 1476 01:32:08,278 --> 01:32:12,865 Ray Charles asked him if he would play on his next album and -- 1477 01:32:12,865 --> 01:32:15,076 - And I chickened out. - He just said how could I -- 1478 01:32:15,076 --> 01:32:17,203 I said, "I'm not good enough." 1479 01:32:17,203 --> 01:32:19,041 That's what he.. Yeah. 1480 01:32:21,041 --> 01:32:22,001 You just, well, you didn't say it to his face -- 1481 01:32:23,001 --> 01:32:24,293 - I did. - Did you really? 1482 01:32:24,293 --> 01:32:25,295 - Yeah. - Oh, my God. 1483 01:32:25,295 --> 01:32:26,628 I didn't know that. 1484 01:32:26,628 --> 01:32:28,088 - Yeah. - And what did he say? 1485 01:32:28,088 --> 01:32:31,885 He was, we -- we spent half an hour in his dressing room. 1486 01:32:31,885 --> 01:32:33,387 He's absolutely fantastic. 1487 01:32:35,387 --> 01:32:36,057 And then he said that. 1488 01:32:38,057 --> 01:32:39,684 He said, "Would you like to play on my next album?" 1489 01:32:39,684 --> 01:32:42,730 I said, "I'm not good enough." 1490 01:32:44,730 --> 01:32:47,110 ♪ Just an old sweet song ♪ 1491 01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:53,655 ♪ Keeps Georgia on my mind ♪♪ 1492 01:32:53,655 --> 01:32:55,742 Almost every bass player I've ever met 1493 01:32:55,742 --> 01:32:59,537 is always a big guy with huge hands. 1494 01:32:59,537 --> 01:33:01,413 When I was a little boy, you know 1495 01:33:01,413 --> 01:33:04,417 all my heroes were the little guys. 1496 01:33:04,417 --> 01:33:06,586 I think there's something about being the little guy 1497 01:33:06,586 --> 01:33:09,506 you always wanna prove that you can still do it 1498 01:33:09,506 --> 01:33:11,757 against the big guys 1499 01:33:11,757 --> 01:33:13,967 and that's the drive. 1500 01:33:13,967 --> 01:33:16,429 And it's been my drive all my life. 1501 01:33:21,518 --> 01:33:23,939 You make your own way, don't you? 1502 01:33:25,939 --> 01:33:29,618 You just head in directions that you think are good at the time. 1503 01:33:38,618 --> 01:33:40,161 Something magical happened. 1504 01:33:40,161 --> 01:33:43,376 Something unusual. Something rare. 1505 01:33:46,376 --> 01:33:49,878 Which shouldn't have really happened to a working-class boy 1506 01:33:49,878 --> 01:33:53,216 from South London, and it's bizarre. 1507 01:33:53,216 --> 01:33:55,140 It's a bizarre life I've had. 1508 01:34:00,140 --> 01:34:04,365 Bill Wyman. I play bass...guitar. 1509 01:34:18,365 --> 01:34:20,671 I think we're done here, aren't we? 1510 01:34:49,564 --> 01:34:51,524 ♪ Tell you a secret ♪ 1511 01:34:51,524 --> 01:34:53,027 ♪ You gotta keep it hid ♪ 1512 01:34:54,027 --> 01:34:56,195 ♪ Tell you about a woman ♪ 1513 01:34:56,195 --> 01:34:58,489 ♪ And the things she did ♪ 1514 01:34:58,489 --> 01:35:00,699 ♪ She took my money ♪ 1515 01:35:00,699 --> 01:35:02,827 ♪ And she took my pride ♪ 1516 01:35:02,827 --> 01:35:04,037 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1517 01:35:05,037 --> 01:35:07,211 ♪ I got nothing to hide ♪ 1518 01:35:11,211 --> 01:35:13,925 ♪ Because I'm moving on down the line ♪ 1519 01:35:16,925 --> 01:35:19,719 ♪ I'm gonna leave that no-good woman ♪ 1520 01:35:19,719 --> 01:35:22,557 ♪ Get that devil woman off my mind ♪ 1521 01:35:25,557 --> 01:35:27,060 ♪ I'll take the moonlight special ♪ 1522 01:35:27,060 --> 01:35:30,063 ♪ Moonlight special ♪ ♪ Gonna do it right ♪ 1523 01:35:30,063 --> 01:35:32,231 ♪ Yeah the moonlight special ♪ ♪ Moonlight special ♪ 1524 01:35:32,231 --> 01:35:34,818 ♪ And travel overnight ♪ 1525 01:35:34,818 --> 01:35:37,069 ♪ I'm going up the country ♪ ♪ I'm going up the country ♪ 1526 01:35:37,069 --> 01:35:39,988 ♪ Where I can't be found ♪ 1527 01:35:39,988 --> 01:35:44,579 ♪ Find a hideaway and keep my ear close to the ground ♪ 1528 01:35:47,579 --> 01:35:49,127 ♪ Yes I'm moving on down the line ♪ 1529 01:35:53,127 --> 01:35:55,963 ♪ I'm gonna leave that no-good woman ♪ 1530 01:35:55,963 --> 01:35:59,759 ♪ Get that devil woman off my mind ♪ 1531 01:35:59,759 --> 01:36:01,399 ♪ Aww tell me ♪ 1532 01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:17,777 ♪ She's a mean mistreater ♪ ♪ Mean mistreater ♪ 1533 01:36:17,777 --> 01:36:20,070 ♪ And she treat me bad ♪ ♪ Treat me bad ♪ 1534 01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:21,155 ♪ She's a robber and a cheater ♪ 1535 01:36:21,155 --> 01:36:22,448 ♪ Robber and a cheater ♪ 1536 01:36:22,448 --> 01:36:24,701 ♪ She's got me mad ♪ ♪ Got me mad ♪ 1537 01:36:24,701 --> 01:36:26,037 ♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪ ♪ Gonna wash that woman ♪ 1538 01:36:27,037 --> 01:36:29,079 ♪ Right out of my mind ♪ ♪ Right out of my mind ♪ 1539 01:36:29,079 --> 01:36:31,791 ♪ I'm gonna leave that woman ♪ ♪ Gonna leave that woman ♪ 1540 01:36:31,791 --> 01:36:34,630 ♪ Leave that woman way behind ♪ 1541 01:36:37,630 --> 01:36:40,177 ♪ 'Cause I'm moving on down the line ♪ 1542 01:36:43,177 --> 01:36:45,014 ♪ I'm gonna leave that no-good woman ♪ 1543 01:36:46,014 --> 01:36:48,644 ♪ Get that devil woman off my mind ♪ 1544 01:36:51,644 --> 01:36:54,104 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1545 01:36:54,104 --> 01:36:56,315 ♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪ 1546 01:36:56,315 --> 01:36:58,150 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1547 01:36:58,150 --> 01:37:00,694 ♪ Ooh about the things she did ♪ 1548 01:37:00,694 --> 01:37:02,905 ♪ I'm gonna tell you a secret ♪ 1549 01:37:02,905 --> 01:37:05,824 ♪ Gonna keep it hid ♪ 1550 01:37:05,824 --> 01:37:08,662 Shh. 1551 01:37:10,662 --> 01:37:12,085 ♪ Early in the morning about the break of day ♪ 1552 01:37:15,085 --> 01:37:17,463 ♪ That's when my baby ran away ♪ 1553 01:37:19,463 --> 01:37:21,051 ♪ Crying and pleading won't do no good ♪ 1554 01:37:24,051 --> 01:37:26,430 ♪ Come back baby I wish you would ♪ 1555 01:37:28,430 --> 01:37:30,766 ♪ I love you girl I can't help myself ♪ 1556 01:37:30,766 --> 01:37:34,020 ♪ Oh aah ♪ 1557 01:37:35,020 --> 01:37:36,189 ♪ Go ♪ 1558 01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:38,484 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1559 01:37:39,484 --> 01:37:40,238 ♪ Oh ♪♪ 1560 01:37:43,238 --> 01:37:44,948 Goodnight. 1561 01:37:44,948 --> 01:37:47,199 Everyone, this is Rhythm Kings. 1562 01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:48,868 Goodnight to you all. 122196

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