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We have no evidence
To see anything on the moon.
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When buzz aldrin
Switched on the tv camera,
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Image quality was lost.
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Could the disappearance.
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Of a priceless
Moon-landing artifact...
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What happened
To those backup tapes?
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Be proof of a cover-up?
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Something's fishy, boys.
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Wow.
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Why can't modern technology
Deliver better evidence.
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Of the lunar lander's presence
On the moon?
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If this is there,
Why can't we see it?
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There's evidence There, proof.
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And what important detail
Is missing.
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From nasa's official photos?
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Why can't you see it
In any of the photos?
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Whoa! Hold on.
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A former fbi agent,
A former aerospace consultant.
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And leading conspiracy theorist,
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And an american astronaut
Are investigating...
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www.Vitac.Com.
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Captions paid for by
Discovery communications.
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We're in the middle
Of another mystery.
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This time,
The conspiracy claimed.
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That there's no physical
Evidence of a moon landing.
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And if there isn't any,
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Then there's the case to be made
That we never went.
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To disprove
The conspiracy theorists,
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We need to closely examine
The physical evidence,
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The videos and photos,
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To determine if the moon
Landing really happened.
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Yeah, like you say, you know,
Let's always go.
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Where the facts Take us, right?
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I mean, no evidence of a moon
Landing, maybe no moon landing.
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I think it all starts
With the first visual evidence.
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That we've had...
The actual moon-landing footage.
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You got to remember that,
Back in july of 1969,
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We did not actually see
A live feed from nasa.
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What we actually got Was a copy.
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The news networks actually shot
What they showed to us.
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In their own newsrooms
Off of a feed from nasa,
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And it raises the question,
"Can we really trust it?"
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Conspiracy theorists
Have long had a problem.
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With the july 20th broadcast.
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It could've been faked.
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Well, why don't we go look
At the original tapes, then?
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Okay, great. Where are those?
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The national archives
Will have them.
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Now, that's A national treasure.
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That video is one of the most
Important of all time.
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Fdr founded
The national archives.
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And records administration
In 1934.
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To document and preserve
America's historical records.
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As our country continues
To grow,
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The archives have expanded.
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To more than
40 facilities nationwide.
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They house everything
From the original.
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Signed declaration
Of independence.
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And the constitution
To the most important film,
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Photography, and electronic
Media in our nation's history.
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That's where the moon-landing
Footage will be.
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And the mere fact
That it's there proves.
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How important that footage is.
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We need someone familiar
With the source material.
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We want to see,
So we reached out to joe harris.
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Joe has been doing research
At the national archives.
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And the library of congress
For more than two decades,
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Most of the last 10 years.
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Sharply focused
On nasa-related information,
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Apollo 11 in particular.
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I've been working on a lot
Of nasa-related documentaries,
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Specifically apollo 11,
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Getting prepared
For the 50th anniversary.
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We're hoping joe
Could tell us what he's seen.
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On the moon-landing tapes.
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And provide us copies
We can get our own eyes on.
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So, how much material
Did you find?
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Like, what was transferred from
Nasa to the national archives?
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Right, well,
For their whole program,
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You're talking thousands
And thousands.
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And thousands of reels.
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From the start
Of the space program,
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Nasa was documenting Everything.
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Booster, go. Retro.
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They filmed tests,
Scientific experiments,
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The construction of equipment,
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And even astronaut
Training programs.
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To fly spacecraft,
Pilots are needed.
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Have you gone through
All of that?
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Well, no.
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I haven't had any more
Than several lifetimes.
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To look through all of it,
But a lot of it, a lot of it,
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And specifically For apollo 11.
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Do you think you can open
The hatch at this pressure?
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We're gonna try it.
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Okay, houston, I'm on the porch.
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To facilitate the
Filming of the apollo 11,
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The lunar module,
And the moon walk,
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Nasa had two
16-millimeter film cameras,
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A television camera orbiting
The moon in the columbia,
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And a black-and-white Tv camera.
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Located outside
The lunar module itself.
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To transmit those
First steps on the moon.
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Two hasselblad cameras
Were aboard apollo 11.
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One remained inside the vehicle.
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And was used for interior
Pictures of the capsule.
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And the photos shot
Through its windows.
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The other hasselblad was used
For outside the vehicle.
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It was heavily modified to
Survive the harsh lunar surface.
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And painted silver to help
Regulate its temperature.
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So what have you been able to
Find, regarding apollo 11?
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Well, I actually brought
A sample of something.
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That's from the mission
Control room,
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And they zoom right in
To the moon landing right here.
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- Joe, that's grainy.
- It is.
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But it is a real special moment,
And it's all we got.
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It's awful.
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- Is that a foot, chad?
- It is a foot.
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It's also the moon.
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Roger that.
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If you say so, joe.
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Footage of the moon
Landing obviously exists,
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But it's grainy
And looks secondhand.
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The images are indecipherable.
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Our investigation will require
The original broadcast footage.
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That's all you got.
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So, what about the original
Apollo 11 material,
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The stuff that backed up
The broadcast?
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You mean The magnetic tapes.
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Yeah.
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I've been through that place
With a fine-tooth comb,
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And I have not found these tapes
That you are looking for.
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They... they don't...
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They don't exist
At the archives.
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This is ground zero for
A lot of conspiracy theories.
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When documents, artifacts,
Or witnesses go missing,
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People always want to know
What's being covered up.
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Something's fishy, boys.
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What do you mean
"Something's fishy"?
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Mike here is our
In-house conspiracy theorist.
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I feel like you have to have
A certain look, too.
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He does.
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Could the apollo 11 tapes
Have just disappeared?
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If they're not
In the national archives,
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They have to be somewhere.
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Well, where do you suggest we go
Next to try to find these tapes?
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Apparently, There's been a team.
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Searching for the tapes
Since the early 2000s.
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I would check with them.
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Alright, well, it sounds
Like that's where we need.
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To take This investigation next.
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Let's do this.
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Joe directed us
To john sarkissian,
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An operations scientist
From the csiro.
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Parkes radio observatory
In australia.
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Csiro is australia's
Federal agency.
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Responsible for
Scientific research,
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And the parkes observatory.
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Was one of the tracking
Stations around the globe.
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That nasa had arranged
To receive.
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Video transmissions
From the moon.
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At the moment neil armstrong.
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Opened the hatch
Of the lunar module.
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And stepped out
Onto the moon's surface,
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Parkes was The tracking station.
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With the direct line
On the apollo signal.
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Let me go ahead
And raise him on the video.
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Hey, john, it's chad jenkins
From the us. How are you?
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Hey, I'm here with leland melvin
And mike bara.
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Hi, john.
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Could you tell us
About your background.
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And the work that you did
With the space program?
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Said that 500 million people.
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Gathered at tv sets
Around the world.
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To wait for the first earthling
To set foot on the moon.
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Never before had so many people
Been attuned.
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To one event at one time.
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So, we understand you might
Be able to explain to us.
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How the original
Apollo 11 broadcast.
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Was received and stored.
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You got A good picture?
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There's a great deal
Of contrast in it,
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And currently, it's upside
Down on our monitors,
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But we can make out
A fair amount of detail.
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The bandwidth needed to
Transmit video from space.
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Was already being utilized
To send vital ship data,
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The apollo 11's bearing,
And electronic status to earth.
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They couldn't transmit
The amount of data.
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Needed for a standard tv signal,
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So they needed to cut back
On the data.
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They would send via tv camera.
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So a new format was developed,
One that was smaller and slower.
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And required less bandwidth.
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Just 320 scan lines
And only 10 frames per second.
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That's why it looks so jumpy.
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That's a third of the speed
Of a conventional tv camera.
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What was the process
For converting the signal.
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So that the people
Could see it on television?
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So, the best way
To get this on tv.
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Was literally to point a camera
At a monitor and film that?
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That's like photocopying
A photocopy over and over,
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And we all know how that looks.
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If this was the best
Tv tech america had,
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How is it possible we had all
The other technology necessary.
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To get to the moon?
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We've heard there's been
A backup tape.
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That was recorded
Of the moon landing, as well.
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Can you describe to us
What that is?
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The missing moon-landing tapes.
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What happened
To those backup tapes?
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Wow.
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We've heard there's been
A backup tape.
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That was recorded
Of the moon landing, as well.
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Can you describe to us
What that is?
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What happened to those
Backup tapes?
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That's cray-cray.
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What led you to start hunting
Down these tapes?
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These aren't just
Historical treasures.
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They're also vital artifacts.
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That could quiet conspiracy
Theorists like mike.
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Wow. Erased?
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What the...
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They coded these
Important tapes with a system.
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That left it unclear
What was even on them.
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Hey, john, thanks a lot.
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- Thanks, john.
- Thanks, john.
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It was kind of strange, though,
That he said.
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There's intricate code
On these tapes.
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No one had The decoder ring.
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To tell that these were
The apollo tapes.
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You know, you would think
Someone would have written.
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"Apollo 11, moon landing tapes,"
But, you know...
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Or pull the little tab.
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So you couldn't record
Over them, you know?
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- Yeah.
- I mean, it's actually baffling.
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I mean, look,
Without those tapes,
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Is there any real evidence
That we went to the moon in '69?
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Well, we do have photographs.
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The problem to mike
And the conspiracy theorists.
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Is the moon landing pictures
We do have look fake.
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They want to know, for starters,
Where are the stars.
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The reason so many
Conspiracy theories exist.
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Is because there are
So many illogical details.
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Surrounding the '69 landing.
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It makes people wonder.
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- You have to jump to conspiracy.
- Of course.
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What mike knows about conspiracy
Theories is more than made up.
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For by his lack of knowledge
About the basics of photography.
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So I've taken him
To pound ridge, new york,
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To meet with an expert.
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Stan honda is
An old friend of mine.
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He's a photojournalist who's
Astronomy-related photography.
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Has been featured
In dozens of magazines,
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Newspapers, and websites.
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He did a five-year stint.
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Photographing
The space-shuttle program.
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And nasa's used his photography
On their own sites.
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We need him, using the science
Behind astro photography,
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To explain to mike
Why there are no stars visible.
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In those moon-landing photos.
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- Hey, stan, how's it going?
- Leland.
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- Good to see you again.
- Good to see you.
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You know, hey, mike,
This guy took pictures of me.
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When I was walking to go out.
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To the space shuttle
In the astro van.
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Both my missions, right?
For your very first flight.
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Sts-122.
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- 122.
- And 129.
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So you could prove that he
Actually got on a space shuttle?
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He's not making it up.
No, he's not making it up.
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That wasn't A conspiracy theory.
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Cool.
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I may be the resident
Conspiracy theorists,
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But I don't doubt leland's
Space-shuttle missions.
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I've seen proof.
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I have evidence
Of those flights.
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I respect that.
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Well, hey, this guy,
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We got to convince him
About some things, you know?
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You're a professional
Photographer.
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And you do all
Of this incredible work,
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Astro photography at night.
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But there's these pictures
That were taken of earth.
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From the moon. Right.
285
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And these conspiracy theorists
Believe that they're fake.
286
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Well, you know,
I think it's more than that.
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The issue,
From the conspiracy community,
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The way people talk
About the photos is,
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A lot of them
Just don't look right.
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And kind of the biggest thing
That comes up.
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Is the fact that
There's no stars in the sky.
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People expect to see stars
And planets and galaxies.
293
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And milky way and things
Like that, so everybody wonders,
294
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"Why can't you see it
In any of the photos?"
295
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You just get this absolute sort
Of black curtain.
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Over the astronauts
At the landing sites,
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And that's kind
Of considered very suspect.
298
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It's simple.
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If they were on the moon,
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Why aren't there stars
In the pictures?
301
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And, also, There's the fact.
302
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That all the sort of
Pre-production art.
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That nasa created
For the missions.
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That they would show to people
Always showed the stars.
305
00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:55,853
And the milky way
And everything.
306
00:15:55,855 --> 00:15:58,222
That pre-mission artwork
Has conspiracy theorists.
307
00:15:58,224 --> 00:16:00,058
Digging in even deeper.
308
00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:02,393
If the moon landing was faked
On a sound stage,
309
00:16:02,395 --> 00:16:04,295
Why wouldn't nasa
Just fake stars, too?
310
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It'd be easy enough.
311
00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:07,999
The explanation you'll hear
In some circles is,
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Astronomers would be able
To detect.
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The particular constellations,
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Weren't where they would've
Been on that date.
315
00:16:13,974 --> 00:16:16,741
It all starts with nasa training
Astronauts in photography.
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00:16:16,743 --> 00:16:18,823
Leland, I think you underwent
A lot of that training.
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Yeah, photo...
Something called photo tv.
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And I know that the apollo
Astronauts had many,
319
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Many months of training
To have the right settings.
320
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For those hasselblad cameras.
321
00:16:27,754 --> 00:16:31,355
That were taking these pictures
On the moon.
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The apollo crew
Underwent intensive training.
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For the rigors and requirements
Of their space mission.
324
00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:40,598
But like leland and
The space-shuttle astronauts.
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Would do in subsequent years,
The men of the apollo mission.
326
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:46,504
Were also trained in the use
Of the photo equipment.
327
00:16:46,506 --> 00:16:49,941
They would be taking
To the moon.
328
00:16:49,943 --> 00:16:52,710
Nasa had these astronauts
Spend years learning.
329
00:16:52,712 --> 00:16:56,214
And using the particular cameras
They'd have on their mission.
330
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They were required to run
Practice exercises in places.
331
00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:04,889
Where they could train
With the equipment in full gear.
332
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On geologic terrain that
Replicated the lunar surface.
333
00:17:10,597 --> 00:17:14,165
Why don't you tell us
A little about the photography.
334
00:17:14,167 --> 00:17:16,234
In those pictures we take
Of the moon, of space,
335
00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:17,535
And astro photography.
336
00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:19,504
What are the main differences
Between photography.
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00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:21,339
On the earth Versus on the moon?
338
00:17:21,341 --> 00:17:24,208
We got a lot of stars
Up in the sky.
339
00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:25,743
I want to see him prove to me.
340
00:17:25,745 --> 00:17:28,746
That astronauts couldn't capture
Stars in their photos.
341
00:17:44,998 --> 00:17:47,231
What are the main differences
Between photography.
342
00:17:47,233 --> 00:17:48,866
On the earth Versus on the moon?
343
00:17:48,868 --> 00:17:50,068
Probably not a whole lot.
344
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:51,390
It's bright and sunny
On the moon.
345
00:17:51,392 --> 00:17:52,872
When they were doing
Their moon walks.
346
00:17:52,896 --> 00:17:53,905
I think they planned it.
347
00:17:53,907 --> 00:17:56,307
So that the moon
Would be on the lit side,
348
00:17:56,309 --> 00:17:58,976
'cause once that side
Of the moon is in darkness,
349
00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:00,812
It's in darkness for 14 days.
350
00:18:00,814 --> 00:18:03,548
That's the lunar night,
So that's a long time.
351
00:18:03,550 --> 00:18:05,016
They had bright sunlight.
352
00:18:05,018 --> 00:18:06,484
If you looked
At all the pictures,
353
00:18:06,486 --> 00:18:10,121
There were shadows from both the
Astronauts, the lunar module.
354
00:18:10,123 --> 00:18:13,324
It's the darkness and the light
That really affect the exposure.
355
00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:15,226
Of the film
The astronauts were using.
356
00:18:15,228 --> 00:18:17,428
Nasa's objective
Was to shoot the moon,
357
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:19,497
So stan is using
The same settings.
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00:18:19,499 --> 00:18:21,532
That the astronauts used.
359
00:18:21,534 --> 00:18:24,235
So, three things really control
The exposure,
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00:18:24,237 --> 00:18:26,003
What the picture
Really looks like,
361
00:18:26,005 --> 00:18:28,673
And it's aperture,
Which is the f-stop in the lens.
362
00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:29,907
How big the hole is, Right?
363
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:31,275
Right, How big or small.
364
00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:33,511
The shutter speed, which is
How fast the shutter goes,
365
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:35,580
If it goes quick
Or if it does slow,
366
00:18:35,582 --> 00:18:38,182
Of you could leave it open
For several seconds sometimes.
367
00:18:38,184 --> 00:18:40,585
For a scene like this,
The sun is shining,
368
00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:42,086
We have a nice meadow here,
369
00:18:42,088 --> 00:18:45,189
Trees, blue sky,
And some nice clouds.
370
00:18:45,191 --> 00:18:46,991
Couldn't have picked
A better day, right?
371
00:18:46,993 --> 00:18:48,893
No, this is great.
This is a great day.
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00:18:48,895 --> 00:18:50,261
So the camera meter tells me
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I could use a shutter speed
Of 1/500th of a second...
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00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:55,299
At f10, which is roughly.
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00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:59,003
A daytime exposure At that iso.
376
00:18:59,005 --> 00:19:03,441
So, I'll take a couple pictures
Of our scene here.
377
00:19:03,443 --> 00:19:05,209
And so we'll remember
That setting,
378
00:19:05,211 --> 00:19:07,612
'cause this is
Under bright sunlight.
379
00:19:07,614 --> 00:19:10,915
Daytime on the moon
Is probably even brighter.
380
00:19:10,917 --> 00:19:12,683
And a location
With a lot of light,
381
00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:14,919
Like the highly reflective
Lunar surface,
382
00:19:14,921 --> 00:19:18,055
You'd use a fast shutter speed
And a small aperture.
383
00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:19,757
Apollo astronauts
Had the cameras.
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00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:22,260
Set to shoot
The brighter thing, the moon,
385
00:19:22,262 --> 00:19:24,395
At the cost of capturing
The darkness.
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00:19:24,397 --> 00:19:26,230
And stars That surround it.
387
00:19:26,232 --> 00:19:30,201
I'll keep my camera at this
Setting, the 1/500th and f10,
388
00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:32,270
And then we'll come back
After the sun sets.
389
00:19:32,272 --> 00:19:34,105
When we can see
Some stars in the sky.
390
00:19:34,107 --> 00:19:37,041
And we'll take some pictures
Of the exact same scene,
391
00:19:37,043 --> 00:19:40,144
And we'll see if we can see
Some stars with this setting.
392
00:19:40,146 --> 00:19:41,345
Let's do it.
393
00:19:41,347 --> 00:19:43,067
Stan's demonstration
Of daytime photography.
394
00:19:43,091 --> 00:19:44,388
And light reflection Is helpful.
395
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:45,783
But to do a full examination,
396
00:19:45,785 --> 00:19:47,518
We're gonna have to
Try this at night.
397
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,053
I want to see him prove to me.
398
00:19:49,055 --> 00:19:51,622
That astronauts couldn't capture
Stars in their photos.
399
00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:00,865
Beautiful night. Perfect night.
400
00:20:00,867 --> 00:20:02,900
Yeah, we got a lot of stars
Up in the sky.
401
00:20:02,902 --> 00:20:04,101
Good to see this.
402
00:20:04,103 --> 00:20:05,903
The westchester astronomy club
Comes out here.
403
00:20:05,927 --> 00:20:07,471
With their telescopes
To look at stars,
404
00:20:07,473 --> 00:20:10,508
Faint things that we can't
See back in new york city.
405
00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:12,230
The camera is still set at
The same setting.
406
00:20:12,254 --> 00:20:14,478
That we took the picture
During the daytime.
407
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,547
Daylight exposure,
Small aperture,
408
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:19,550
A fast shutter speed,
And a low iso.
409
00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:20,551
I'll go ahead
And take a picture.
410
00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:22,386
Okay. All right.
411
00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:23,821
Under daylight conditions,
412
00:20:23,823 --> 00:20:26,857
Stan used the small aperture
And fast shutter speed.
413
00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:29,994
Now, at night, leland and mike
Can see what happens.
414
00:20:29,996 --> 00:20:32,763
When those very same settings
Are used again.
415
00:20:32,765 --> 00:20:35,099
And as you can see,
There's nothing there.
416
00:20:35,101 --> 00:20:36,234
Yeah, it's pitch black.
417
00:20:36,236 --> 00:20:38,736
And so, this exposure
Would not be able.
418
00:20:38,738 --> 00:20:41,205
To expose
For the faint starlight.
419
00:20:41,207 --> 00:20:42,607
Simulating the camera settings.
420
00:20:42,609 --> 00:20:44,842
Used by the apollo 11
Astronauts,
421
00:20:44,844 --> 00:20:47,144
We see that
The relatively dim stars.
422
00:20:47,146 --> 00:20:50,881
Don't generate nearly enough
Light to be exposed to film.
423
00:20:50,883 --> 00:20:52,116
Okay.
424
00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:53,918
So, the truth is, though,
Is that on the moon,
425
00:20:53,942 --> 00:20:55,753
You are gonna have
A bunch of bright sunlight.
426
00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:57,421
Saturating the foreground,
427
00:20:57,423 --> 00:20:59,390
So you're gonna see
The stuff in the foreground.
428
00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:00,658
Right.
429
00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:02,727
How accurate is that
In comparison to this test?
430
00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,696
It's a pretty good comparison
Because the astronauts,
431
00:21:05,698 --> 00:21:08,266
Whether they were
Photographing another astronaut.
432
00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:10,935
Or a rock formation
And then they got the sky in.
433
00:21:10,937 --> 00:21:12,903
Or if they just pointed
The camera at the sky,
434
00:21:12,905 --> 00:21:16,641
It would still be
At that same daylight setting.
435
00:21:16,643 --> 00:21:20,044
And so the sky, whether it
Filled the whole picture.
436
00:21:20,046 --> 00:21:21,912
Or if it just filled
Part of the picture,
437
00:21:21,914 --> 00:21:23,781
It would look the same.
438
00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:26,984
It would be black,
No detail, no stars.
439
00:21:26,986 --> 00:21:29,487
Yeah, okay.
440
00:21:29,489 --> 00:21:32,189
So, I do a lot
Of night-sky photography,
441
00:21:32,191 --> 00:21:35,760
And so, at night, of course,
The settings are much different.
442
00:21:35,762 --> 00:21:38,763
Because the stars themselves
Are very, very faint.
443
00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,432
So I'll set up the camera,
And what I do is increase.
444
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:43,267
The apertures,
Slow down the shutter.
445
00:21:43,269 --> 00:21:46,237
I do a 15-second
Or longer exposures.
446
00:21:46,239 --> 00:21:50,041
So, we had 1/500th of
A second shutter speed before.
447
00:21:50,043 --> 00:21:51,309
Now we're going to 15 seconds,
448
00:21:51,311 --> 00:21:53,077
Which is a much,
Much longer shutter speed.
449
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:54,145
Yeah.
450
00:21:54,147 --> 00:21:55,446
Like your own eyes,
451
00:21:55,448 --> 00:21:57,648
The aperture setting on
The astronauts' cameras.
452
00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:00,451
Couldn't adjust to the
Brightness of the lunar surface.
453
00:22:00,453 --> 00:22:02,953
And the dimmer starlight
At the same time.
454
00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:05,075
When you're at a concert
And the lights suddenly beam.
455
00:22:05,099 --> 00:22:06,924
In your eyes, What happens?
456
00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:09,460
You can't see the performers
On the stage.
457
00:22:09,462 --> 00:22:12,596
This is that same principle.
458
00:22:12,598 --> 00:22:14,031
So, I'll keep it
At the same scene.
459
00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:16,167
There's a little bit of the
Foreground in the picture,
460
00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:19,136
Which will probably show up
Mainly as a silhouette.
461
00:22:19,138 --> 00:22:22,273
And then, the sky above it
With the stars.
462
00:22:22,275 --> 00:22:25,443
So we'll do...
463
00:22:25,445 --> 00:22:26,844
A 15-second exposure.
464
00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:29,914
So, the camera is collecting
The faint light from the stars.
465
00:22:29,916 --> 00:22:31,816
For 15 seconds. For 15 seconds.
466
00:22:31,818 --> 00:22:33,818
You need that long time.
467
00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:37,221
If we use this setting
During the daytime.
468
00:22:37,223 --> 00:22:39,156
While the sun was up,
469
00:22:39,158 --> 00:22:41,992
Your picture will probably
Just be pure white.
470
00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:44,061
There'll be nothing there.
471
00:22:44,063 --> 00:22:47,064
And just to prove his point he
Opens his shutter for 15 seconds.
472
00:22:47,066 --> 00:22:50,735
Using night settings
And we get stars in the shot.
473
00:22:50,737 --> 00:22:53,137
Let's take a look
At the picture here.
474
00:22:53,139 --> 00:22:54,705
And you can see the stars.
475
00:22:54,707 --> 00:22:55,873
- Wow.
- Yeah, wow.
476
00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,074
Look at that.
477
00:22:57,076 --> 00:23:00,211
Do you feel like stan,
With his expertise,
478
00:23:00,213 --> 00:23:03,280
Has now satisfied
Your crazy little theories?
479
00:23:03,282 --> 00:23:04,815
My crazy conspiracy theories?
Yeah.
480
00:23:04,817 --> 00:23:06,450
Well, I mean,
I will say this, stan...
481
00:23:06,452 --> 00:23:08,819
I think you've demonstrated
That it's really hard.
482
00:23:08,821 --> 00:23:10,554
To get a background picture
Of the stars.
483
00:23:10,556 --> 00:23:13,023
Unless you're specifically
Set to do that.
484
00:23:13,025 --> 00:23:14,945
Doesn't seem like the astronauts
Were doing that.
485
00:23:14,947 --> 00:23:16,413
I would have to say,
At this point,
486
00:23:16,415 --> 00:23:18,929
That we have a good explanation
For why there's no stars.
487
00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:20,898
At all in the pictures
Taken from the moon.
488
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,540
It's science.
We solved this with science.
489
00:23:22,542 --> 00:23:24,142
Yeah, with his science,
Not your science.
490
00:23:24,166 --> 00:23:26,036
It's not my science,
But it's science.
491
00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:27,471
There's no conspiracy here.
492
00:23:27,473 --> 00:23:29,640
That's a point for leland,
I guess.
493
00:23:29,642 --> 00:23:33,544
Can massive telescopes be
The key to finding evidence.
494
00:23:33,546 --> 00:23:37,248
That proves we were
On the moon in 1969?
495
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:39,049
This is the best image
Of the moon.
496
00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:42,520
The lunar lander would occupy
A single pixel.
497
00:23:42,522 --> 00:23:44,655
One pixel.
498
00:24:03,409 --> 00:24:05,543
It'll take more than just
A lesson in photography.
499
00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:08,379
To convince me we landed
On the moon in '69.
500
00:24:08,381 --> 00:24:10,101
Like, all the gear
The apollo 11 astronauts.
501
00:24:10,125 --> 00:24:11,849
Supposedly left behind.
502
00:24:11,851 --> 00:24:14,518
Why have we never seen
Photos of that?
503
00:24:17,236 --> 00:24:18,556
There are materials
And equipment,
504
00:24:18,558 --> 00:24:20,424
Including the entire
Lunar descent stage,
505
00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:23,127
Which we supposedly left
On the moon in '69.
506
00:24:23,129 --> 00:24:25,262
That lds is 14 feet across.
507
00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:26,864
That's bigger than a cargo van.
508
00:24:26,866 --> 00:24:28,946
But when you look at photos
Of that part of the moon,
509
00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:32,703
You don't see it. Why not?
510
00:24:32,705 --> 00:24:34,004
We need to find a telescope.
511
00:24:34,006 --> 00:24:36,173
That can get us eyes
On the moon's surface.
512
00:24:36,175 --> 00:24:37,875
If we can spot
That descent stage.
513
00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:40,110
Or any other reflective
Materials left behind,
514
00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:42,346
We can prove a lot
Of the hoaxers wrong.
515
00:24:45,084 --> 00:24:47,618
The biggest telescope I know
Is right here in dc.
516
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:50,387
At the united states
Naval observatory.
517
00:24:50,389 --> 00:24:52,089
In operation since 1830,
518
00:24:52,091 --> 00:24:54,725
The observatory mines
Astronomical data.
519
00:24:54,727 --> 00:24:57,461
For positioning, navigation,
And timing critical.
520
00:24:57,463 --> 00:25:00,931
To naval
And defense department assets.
521
00:25:00,933 --> 00:25:04,168
Every vice president since 1977
Has lived in a house.
522
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:05,402
At the naval observatory,
523
00:25:05,404 --> 00:25:07,838
But we're here
To visit another resident,
524
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,475
One of the largest refracting
Telescopes in the world.
525
00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:16,413
You know, for an army guy,
I got to give the navy credit.
526
00:25:16,415 --> 00:25:18,449
This naval observatory
Is pretty cool.
527
00:25:24,056 --> 00:25:25,489
- Geoff?
- That's me.
528
00:25:25,491 --> 00:25:27,424
Hey. How you doing? I'm leland.
529
00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:28,392
Hi, leland. Nice to meet you.
530
00:25:28,394 --> 00:25:29,674
- Hey, geoff.
- Nice to meet you.
531
00:25:29,698 --> 00:25:31,061
Nice to meet you, As well.
532
00:25:31,063 --> 00:25:32,162
Great to see this.
533
00:25:32,164 --> 00:25:33,484
Isn't this a wonderful
Instrument?
534
00:25:33,508 --> 00:25:34,231
Yeah.
535
00:25:34,233 --> 00:25:35,866
We're meeting with
Geoff chester,
536
00:25:35,868 --> 00:25:37,935
An astronomer who's been
With the naval observatory.
537
00:25:37,937 --> 00:25:39,637
For 22 years.
538
00:25:39,639 --> 00:25:44,208
This is our 12-inch alvin clark
George saegmuller refractor.
539
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:47,044
You get great views of the moon
And the planets with this.
540
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,380
Let's start with the basics.
Let's check it out.
541
00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:53,417
- Alright.
- Let's see what we can see.
542
00:25:53,419 --> 00:25:55,252
Wow. Look at that.
543
00:25:55,254 --> 00:25:57,321
The night sky.
544
00:25:57,323 --> 00:26:00,391
So, we're gonna align
The telescope and the slot.
545
00:26:00,393 --> 00:26:02,026
That's right.
546
00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:07,965
Yeah, the moon, fortunately,
Is a pretty easy target to hit,
547
00:26:07,967 --> 00:26:10,134
At least With a telescope.
548
00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:13,070
The apollo 11 landing site
Is actually in the center.
549
00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:14,772
Of the field of view here.
550
00:26:14,774 --> 00:26:16,140
So that's
The sea of tranquility?
551
00:26:16,142 --> 00:26:17,608
That's the sea Of tranquility.
552
00:26:20,313 --> 00:26:22,680
You're looking good
Going over the hill.
553
00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:25,082
It's called a sea
Because early astronomers.
554
00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,918
Saw large darker areas
Like this on the moon.
555
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,955
They mistook them
For bodies of water.
556
00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:32,890
We are go for landing, over.
557
00:26:32,892 --> 00:26:36,293
The actual landing site
Of the apollo 11 lunar module.
558
00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:40,164
Is now referred
To as tranquility base.
559
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:41,966
Contact light.
560
00:26:41,968 --> 00:26:44,568
Okay, engines stop.
561
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:47,805
Houston, tranquility base here.
562
00:26:47,807 --> 00:26:49,840
The eagle has landed.
563
00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:55,479
So, keep in mind
That the smaller craters.
564
00:26:55,481 --> 00:26:57,781
That you're looking at,
The sort of pock-mark,
565
00:26:57,783 --> 00:27:02,119
The so-called lunar seas,
Are actually pretty big.
566
00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:04,922
They're on the order
Of 5 to 10 miles,
567
00:27:04,924 --> 00:27:07,458
The smallest ones
That we're looking at.
568
00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:11,528
The bigger ones can be up
To 100 miles.
569
00:27:11,530 --> 00:27:14,398
Is there a way to get this
Zoomed in even more?
570
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,766
Yeah.
571
00:27:15,768 --> 00:27:18,049
We'll put another eyepiece in
And get you a little closer.
572
00:27:18,051 --> 00:27:19,551
So, what magnification Is this?
573
00:27:19,553 --> 00:27:24,341
We are looking now with a
Magnification of about 90 power.
574
00:27:24,343 --> 00:27:26,644
Now, one of the things
That you'll notice.
575
00:27:26,646 --> 00:27:29,680
Is that it's kind of wavy.
576
00:27:29,682 --> 00:27:31,162
It's almost like looking
At something.
577
00:27:31,164 --> 00:27:32,724
That's at the bottom
Of a swimming pool.
578
00:27:32,748 --> 00:27:33,717
Little atmosphere.
579
00:27:33,719 --> 00:27:37,054
That's due to turbulence
In our atmosphere.
580
00:27:37,056 --> 00:27:39,356
Chad and leland are finding
The telescope large enough.
581
00:27:39,358 --> 00:27:42,426
To search the moon's surface
For remnants of apollo 11.
582
00:27:42,428 --> 00:27:43,908
Even if they find
The right telescope,
583
00:27:43,932 --> 00:27:45,129
I think it's a dead end.
584
00:27:45,131 --> 00:27:48,132
You can't see something
That isn't there.
585
00:27:48,134 --> 00:27:51,201
So, geoff, what distance
Are we looking at now?
586
00:27:51,203 --> 00:27:54,304
Right now, you're
Looking at about 600 miles.
587
00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:55,205
600 miles.
588
00:27:55,207 --> 00:27:57,508
Yeah.
589
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:59,443
I mean, you have to keep in mind
That the moon.
590
00:27:59,445 --> 00:28:01,078
Is a long way away.
591
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:07,484
You're looking across almost
240,000 miles of empty space.
592
00:28:07,486 --> 00:28:10,187
The field of vision
Is 600 miles.
593
00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:11,989
This is like looking at
A satellite picture.
594
00:28:11,991 --> 00:28:15,392
Of all of new england
And trying to spot an suv.
595
00:28:15,394 --> 00:28:19,530
There's no way we'd see a lunar
Lander that's 14 feet wide.
596
00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:22,066
So, this is as close
A detail as we can get.
597
00:28:22,068 --> 00:28:23,628
That's about as good
As we're gonna get.
598
00:28:23,652 --> 00:28:26,336
So, no lunar lander up there,
No american flag,
599
00:28:26,338 --> 00:28:27,898
That I'm gonna be able
To see with this.
600
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,500
Not that you'll be able
To see with this.
601
00:28:29,502 --> 00:28:30,502
All right.
602
00:28:33,045 --> 00:28:36,313
The telescope at the naval
Observatory is enormous.
603
00:28:36,315 --> 00:28:37,915
And yet we still can't see
The lander.
604
00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:42,486
And materials Left on the moon.
605
00:28:42,488 --> 00:28:44,354
You know, I was really surprised.
606
00:28:44,356 --> 00:28:46,824
That the telescope
At the naval observatory.
607
00:28:46,826 --> 00:28:50,294
Can't see any traces
Of the moon-landing sites.
608
00:28:50,296 --> 00:28:53,397
You know, we're gonna need
A much bigger telescope.
609
00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:54,798
Yeah, right.
610
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,635
And so I found astronomer
Alycia weinberger here in dc,
611
00:28:58,637 --> 00:29:00,904
And she actually
Uses the hubble.
612
00:29:00,906 --> 00:29:04,908
Clear the pin. -Clear the pin.
Mode switch is in off.
613
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:09,012
On april 24, 1990, the space
Shuttle discovery successfully.
614
00:29:09,014 --> 00:29:11,482
Launched the hubble
Telescope into orbit.
615
00:29:11,484 --> 00:29:13,250
Baby, look at that.
616
00:29:13,252 --> 00:29:15,419
Hubble isn't just a satellite.
617
00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:18,422
It's about humanity's
Quest for knowledge.
618
00:29:18,424 --> 00:29:20,357
The hubble was the
First major telescope.
619
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:21,692
To be placed in space.
620
00:29:21,694 --> 00:29:23,961
Above the distortion
Of earth's atmosphere,
621
00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:25,896
Weather, And light pollution.
622
00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:28,065
With an unobstructed view
Of the universe,
623
00:29:28,067 --> 00:29:30,134
Scientists have been
Able to use the hubble.
624
00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:33,237
To observe the most
Distant stars, galaxies,
625
00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:35,405
And planets In our solar system.
626
00:29:35,407 --> 00:29:37,107
It has even viewed locations.
627
00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:40,711
More than 13 billion
Light-years from earth.
628
00:29:40,713 --> 00:29:42,813
What the hubble can do
Has been compared.
629
00:29:42,815 --> 00:29:46,383
To standing in washington, dc,
And seeing a firefly in tokyo.
630
00:29:46,385 --> 00:29:48,919
So it should be able to reveal
Objects on the moon,
631
00:29:48,921 --> 00:29:51,922
But will it?
632
00:29:51,924 --> 00:29:53,590
Alycia is an astrophysicist.
633
00:29:53,592 --> 00:29:55,659
At the carnegie institution
For science.
634
00:29:55,661 --> 00:29:58,862
Whose research work utilizes
The hubble space telescope.
635
00:29:58,864 --> 00:30:01,799
To observe
And study distant galaxies.
636
00:30:01,801 --> 00:30:04,568
Something as close as the moon
Should be no problem.
637
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:06,937
We're hoping she can help us
See the apollo gear.
638
00:30:06,939 --> 00:30:09,807
The astronauts left
On the lunar surface.
639
00:30:09,809 --> 00:30:10,974
- Alycia.
- Hi.
640
00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:12,409
How are you? I'm chad.
641
00:30:12,411 --> 00:30:14,144
Nice to meet you.
Yeah, nice to meet you.
642
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:15,646
Hi. Very nice to meet you, too.
643
00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:18,715
Yeah, so we're looking
At a number of mysteries.
644
00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:21,585
Involving the original
Moon landing.
645
00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:23,427
And one of the questions
That we're looking at.
646
00:30:23,451 --> 00:30:24,922
And seeing
If you could help us on.
647
00:30:24,924 --> 00:30:28,425
Is the exact location of the
Apollo 11 landing on the moon.
648
00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:30,894
It's very hard to see
That level of detail.
649
00:30:30,896 --> 00:30:32,429
On an ordinary picture
Of the moon.
650
00:30:32,431 --> 00:30:33,997
That you would take
From the ground.
651
00:30:33,999 --> 00:30:36,500
We can certainly look
At an image of the moon.
652
00:30:36,502 --> 00:30:38,001
And see roughly Where it is.
653
00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:39,770
Okay. Let's do it.
654
00:30:39,772 --> 00:30:43,440
Here we have
That tranquility area.
655
00:30:43,442 --> 00:30:44,775
That's the sea Of tranquility?
656
00:30:44,777 --> 00:30:46,143
That's the sea Of tranquility.
657
00:30:46,145 --> 00:30:51,448
So that's about 876 kilometers
Across or 550 miles.
658
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:53,383
The lander was
A few meters across,
659
00:30:53,385 --> 00:30:56,520
So it's about
300,000 times smaller.
660
00:30:56,522 --> 00:30:58,989
Than the size
Of the sea of tranquility.
661
00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:02,593
This is a beautiful image.
It was taken from the ground.
662
00:31:02,595 --> 00:31:05,462
What limits our ability
To see detail.
663
00:31:05,464 --> 00:31:06,730
Is the earth's atmosphere,
664
00:31:06,732 --> 00:31:08,565
Which blurs everything
That we look at.
665
00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:10,487
You could try to go above
The earth's atmosphere,
666
00:31:10,511 --> 00:31:12,703
And that's why we've built
The hubble space telescope.
667
00:31:12,705 --> 00:31:13,971
Hst, right. Right.
668
00:31:13,973 --> 00:31:15,253
Now, the hubble Space telescope.
669
00:31:15,277 --> 00:31:17,274
Was not meant
To look at the moon.
670
00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:21,144
Normally, the hubble would
Use stars to keep it lined up.
671
00:31:21,146 --> 00:31:23,180
Exactly where It wants to point.
672
00:31:23,182 --> 00:31:27,817
Well, it can't find any stars
Because the moon fills.
673
00:31:27,819 --> 00:31:30,954
The entire field of view
Of the hubble space telescope,
674
00:31:30,956 --> 00:31:35,092
So it can't stare
At one spot very easily.
675
00:31:35,094 --> 00:31:36,793
Without drifting
Across the moon,
676
00:31:36,795 --> 00:31:40,497
But it can take fast images.
677
00:31:40,499 --> 00:31:42,399
And the hubble space telescope.
678
00:31:42,401 --> 00:31:44,902
Is still
A modest-sized telescope,
679
00:31:44,904 --> 00:31:46,937
So it's 2 1/2 meters across.
680
00:31:46,939 --> 00:31:49,306
So you would be able to do
A little bit better.
681
00:31:49,308 --> 00:31:52,175
With the hubble space telescope
But still,
682
00:31:52,177 --> 00:31:54,344
While the sea of tranquility
Would look very big.
683
00:31:54,346 --> 00:31:55,612
To the hubble space telescope,
684
00:31:55,614 --> 00:31:58,682
The few meters across
That the lunar lander.
685
00:31:58,684 --> 00:32:01,518
Was would occupy
A single pixel...
686
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,586
My goodness.
687
00:32:02,588 --> 00:32:04,454
On the best image
That the hubble.
688
00:32:04,456 --> 00:32:05,555
Space telescope could take.
689
00:32:05,557 --> 00:32:07,224
- One pixel.
- Yes.
690
00:32:07,226 --> 00:32:09,259
Much smaller, in fact,
Than one pixel.
691
00:32:09,261 --> 00:32:10,694
What about The american flag?
692
00:32:10,696 --> 00:32:12,763
I want to see america,
Old glory.
693
00:32:12,765 --> 00:32:14,331
And how big was
The american flag.
694
00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:16,566
Compared to the lunar lander?
695
00:32:16,568 --> 00:32:18,068
3 feet. It was about 3 feet.
696
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:20,837
- So, still no evidence.
- No evidence from here.
697
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,040
Do you think it's there?
I do think it's there,
698
00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:25,442
But we can't take
A picture of it from here.
699
00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,379
Well, the investigation
Must go on.
700
00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:33,784
We'll have to refocus
Our investigation.
701
00:32:33,786 --> 00:32:36,486
If we want to see
The materials left on the moon.
702
00:32:39,358 --> 00:32:40,991
We have this
Very advanced technology.
703
00:32:40,993 --> 00:32:42,693
We have the hubble space
Telescope,
704
00:32:42,695 --> 00:32:44,928
And yet nobody can get
A good, clear picture.
705
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:47,464
Of the equipment that was left
Behind by the apollo mission.
706
00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:50,133
It's all a matter
Of lenses and mirrors.
707
00:33:05,517 --> 00:33:07,818
So, no matter what
Telescopes we visited,
708
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:10,687
We still can't see evidence
Of anything left behind.
709
00:33:10,689 --> 00:33:12,589
From the apollo 11 moon landing.
710
00:33:12,591 --> 00:33:15,258
There's just not enough clarity.
711
00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:16,860
And this is one of the things
That fuels.
712
00:33:16,884 --> 00:33:18,328
The conspiracy theorists, too.
713
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:21,898
It makes them say, "If this
Is there, why can't you see it?"
714
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,368
The problem is, chad and leland
Went to people who work.
715
00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:26,770
For the government
Or the space program.
716
00:33:26,772 --> 00:33:29,740
I'm taking them to an
Independent, someone I know.
717
00:33:29,742 --> 00:33:33,043
And trust who won't just repeat
Empty claims and half-truths.
718
00:33:33,045 --> 00:33:35,645
He can explain why or why not
In regard.
719
00:33:35,647 --> 00:33:38,115
To seeing nasa materials
On the moon.
720
00:33:38,117 --> 00:33:39,883
Hey, look, We got some company.
721
00:33:39,885 --> 00:33:41,151
- There he is.
- Hey, guys. How are you doing?
722
00:33:41,153 --> 00:33:42,386
- I'm alex.
- I'm mike.
723
00:33:42,388 --> 00:33:43,387
Alex, I'm leland.
724
00:33:43,389 --> 00:33:44,829
Mike has brought us
To san francisco.
725
00:33:44,853 --> 00:33:46,489
To meet with alex filippenko.
726
00:33:46,491 --> 00:33:49,259
Alex is an astrophysicist
At uc, berkeley,
727
00:33:49,261 --> 00:33:50,861
Who's frequently used the hubble.
728
00:33:50,863 --> 00:33:52,863
And the keck telescope
In hawaii,
729
00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:56,166
One of the largest astronomical
Telescopes in the world.
730
00:33:56,168 --> 00:33:58,969
We're hoping he can
Independently verify or deny.
731
00:33:58,971 --> 00:34:00,370
What the government Is claiming,
732
00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:02,606
That it's impossible
To view the equipment.
733
00:34:02,608 --> 00:34:04,241
That was left Near tranquility.
734
00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:06,276
Alex, how you doing?
Pretty well.
735
00:34:06,278 --> 00:34:07,811
It's such a beautiful day
Out here.
736
00:34:07,813 --> 00:34:09,546
You don't go to the government
To tell you.
737
00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:10,914
What the government's done.
738
00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:13,417
We're finally getting info
From an independent source.
739
00:34:13,419 --> 00:34:16,319
I know alex won't feed us
More claptrap and cover-ups.
740
00:34:16,321 --> 00:34:18,021
So, I know
You're usually studying.
741
00:34:18,023 --> 00:34:19,723
Distant galaxies And space.
742
00:34:19,725 --> 00:34:21,158
Billions Of light-years away.
743
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,727
We need your help with a little
Bit closer friend of ours,
744
00:34:23,729 --> 00:34:25,262
The moon. Sure.
745
00:34:25,264 --> 00:34:26,897
Yeah,
That's in our neighborhood...
746
00:34:26,899 --> 00:34:28,031
You know, 240,000 miles...
747
00:34:28,033 --> 00:34:31,735
But still pretty far
To see details.
748
00:34:31,737 --> 00:34:34,838
I guess our biggest question
Is the accusation that,
749
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,974
Because we had
These large telescopes here.
750
00:34:37,976 --> 00:34:41,912
But we have no evidence to see
Anything on the moon with them.
751
00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:44,347
Yeah, the claim is, we have
This very advanced technology,
752
00:34:44,349 --> 00:34:45,782
We have
The hubble space telescope,
753
00:34:45,784 --> 00:34:46,950
We've got The jwst telescope,
754
00:34:46,952 --> 00:34:48,618
We've got all these
Other instruments,
755
00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:50,854
And yet nobody can get
A good, clear picture.
756
00:34:50,856 --> 00:34:52,456
Of the actual equipment.
757
00:34:52,458 --> 00:34:54,191
That was left behind
By the apollo mission.
758
00:34:54,193 --> 00:34:56,960
It's all a matter
Of lenses and mirrors.
759
00:34:56,962 --> 00:34:59,696
These telescopes
Can see pretty clearly,
760
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:02,566
But it's a little bit like
You're at the eye doctor.
761
00:35:02,568 --> 00:35:05,836
And you're asked to look
At the rows of letters,
762
00:35:05,838 --> 00:35:09,005
And the bottom row
Is extremely hard to make out.
763
00:35:09,007 --> 00:35:12,142
The letters become too fuzzy
For you to distinguish.
764
00:35:12,144 --> 00:35:14,911
Because all lenses,
Including those in your eyes.
765
00:35:14,913 --> 00:35:17,681
Or telescopes, Have limitations.
766
00:35:17,683 --> 00:35:20,650
Without having
A super-huge lens or mirror,
767
00:35:20,652 --> 00:35:22,752
You're not gonna be able
To see tiny details.
768
00:35:22,754 --> 00:35:24,921
You'd need to have
The hubble space telescope.
769
00:35:24,923 --> 00:35:29,626
With its 8-foot-diameter mirror
Within 14,000 miles of the moon.
770
00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:31,795
To just see
The lander as a spec.
771
00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:35,765
The hubble space telescope is
Only 353 miles away from earth,
772
00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:38,502
So it's still almost a quarter
Of a million miles.
773
00:35:38,504 --> 00:35:39,903
Away from the moon,
774
00:35:39,905 --> 00:35:43,540
Not the less than 14,000 miles
Alex says it needs to be,
775
00:35:43,542 --> 00:35:46,810
To begin showing anything
The size of the lunar lander.
776
00:35:46,812 --> 00:35:49,913
The big takeaway here is that,
Even with today's.
777
00:35:49,915 --> 00:35:53,016
Best telescopes, the hubble
Space telescope orbiting.
778
00:35:53,018 --> 00:35:56,219
Above earth's atmosphere
And having a very clear view.
779
00:35:56,221 --> 00:35:59,356
Or the 10-meter keck
Telescopes in hawaii,
780
00:35:59,358 --> 00:36:02,125
Which have really great clarity,
781
00:36:02,127 --> 00:36:05,362
Those telescopes
Cannot see the kinds of detail.
782
00:36:05,364 --> 00:36:06,663
That would be necessary.
783
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,966
To distinguish the lander
On the moon.
784
00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:11,968
We can see craters on the moon,
785
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:14,871
But craters are
Dozens of miles across.
786
00:36:14,873 --> 00:36:18,275
The lander is about the size
Of an suv.
787
00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:19,676
We're just not there yet.
788
00:36:19,678 --> 00:36:23,480
You'd need a telescope
Perhaps 50 yards in diameter.
789
00:36:23,482 --> 00:36:25,615
To see the lander,
And even then,
790
00:36:25,617 --> 00:36:29,085
You wouldn't notice any real
Details, like its shape.
791
00:36:29,087 --> 00:36:31,521
With no earth-based
Or satellite-based telescopes.
792
00:36:31,523 --> 00:36:34,591
Capable of the detail necessary
To show equipment on the moon,
793
00:36:34,593 --> 00:36:37,761
I remain convinced that there's
No apollo 11 module on the moon.
794
00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:41,097
And holding firm that
The '69 landing didn't happen.
795
00:36:41,099 --> 00:36:43,700
Although we haven't seen
The apollo lander.
796
00:36:43,702 --> 00:36:46,002
Using any telescopes
Here on earth,
797
00:36:46,004 --> 00:36:48,271
There are
Lunar-orbiting telescopes.
798
00:36:48,273 --> 00:36:50,540
That have seen the lander.
799
00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:53,810
You can look at the pictures,
And there it is.
800
00:36:53,812 --> 00:36:56,313
Alex left us with
A great piece of advice,
801
00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:59,382
To move past telescopic data
And investigate the orbiter.
802
00:36:59,384 --> 00:37:01,284
And the findings
For one of the most.
803
00:37:01,286 --> 00:37:04,654
Technologically advanced
Cameras in space.
804
00:37:04,656 --> 00:37:08,391
We'll be shifting our focus
To investigating images of space.
805
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:11,127
That comes from space.
806
00:37:11,129 --> 00:37:14,931
Can satellite images provide
Proof of the moon landing.
807
00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:16,199
There's evidence there.
808
00:37:16,201 --> 00:37:18,401
Looks like evidence
Of a boulder to me.
809
00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:19,502
Whoa!
810
00:37:19,504 --> 00:37:21,271
- Camera.
- Hold on.
811
00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:42,759
What a strange trip
This one's been.
812
00:37:42,761 --> 00:37:46,763
We went to observatories,
We looked through telescopes,
813
00:37:46,765 --> 00:37:49,699
We talked to astronomers,
Talked to astrophysicists,
814
00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:52,002
Learned that the moon landing
Tapes are missing,
815
00:37:52,004 --> 00:37:54,938
And why there are no stars
In the moon photography.
816
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:57,907
Still no clear evidence
Of the moon landing.
817
00:37:57,909 --> 00:37:59,075
Point for me.
818
00:37:59,077 --> 00:38:01,011
Yeah, But in san francisco,
819
00:38:01,013 --> 00:38:03,680
We realized that there's
No telescope on earth.
820
00:38:03,682 --> 00:38:05,315
That can see The apollo sites.
821
00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:06,883
They're just too small.
822
00:38:06,885 --> 00:38:09,586
It's time to shift
Our focus from telescopes.
823
00:38:09,588 --> 00:38:11,921
To the most technologically
Advanced cameras.
824
00:38:11,923 --> 00:38:13,523
We've got in space.
825
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:17,560
The lunar reconnaissance
Orbiter,
826
00:38:17,562 --> 00:38:20,030
Or lro, Is a robotic spacecraft.
827
00:38:20,032 --> 00:38:23,867
Nasa launched aboard
An atlas v rocket in 2009.
828
00:38:23,869 --> 00:38:28,505
And liftoff of the
Atlas v rocket with lro lcross.
829
00:38:28,507 --> 00:38:30,940
The initial exploration phase
Of its mission.
830
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:32,342
To image back the moon,
831
00:38:32,344 --> 00:38:34,611
Searching out safe,
High-value terrain.
832
00:38:34,613 --> 00:38:37,180
For future landings
Lasted a year.
833
00:38:37,182 --> 00:38:39,449
Since then,
The lro has transitioned.
834
00:38:39,451 --> 00:38:41,518
To its science phase...
835
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,121
Gathering data to help nasa
Even better understand the moon.
836
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:46,856
Its instrument panel downlinks.
837
00:38:46,858 --> 00:38:50,226
Roughly 460 gigabytes
Of data per day,
838
00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:52,962
Delivered to nasa's
Own planetary data system.
839
00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:01,604
The craft has a system
Of three high-resolution cameras.
840
00:39:01,606 --> 00:39:04,007
Mounted to it,
Two narrow-angle cameras.
841
00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:05,375
That can provide images.
842
00:39:05,377 --> 00:39:08,478
Covering about a 3-mile swath
And a wide-angle camera.
843
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,248
Providing coverage
Of more than 37 miles.
844
00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:15,352
Since the lro is orbiting
Just a few dozen miles.
845
00:39:15,354 --> 00:39:16,786
Over the lunar surface,
846
00:39:16,788 --> 00:39:18,621
The photographic images
It sends back.
847
00:39:18,623 --> 00:39:20,290
Would be vastly more detailed.
848
00:39:20,292 --> 00:39:23,526
Than any telescopic image
We've seen.
849
00:39:23,528 --> 00:39:25,829
The lro has provided
Nasa scientists.
850
00:39:25,831 --> 00:39:27,597
With scores Of new discoveries,
851
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,266
Including subsurface
Hydrogen deposits.
852
00:39:30,268 --> 00:39:33,503
In regions cold enough
For ice to survive.
853
00:39:33,505 --> 00:39:35,705
The first direct evidence
Of the presence.
854
00:39:35,707 --> 00:39:38,274
Of highly silicic
Volcanic moon rocks.
855
00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:40,310
And the first-ever
Radar measurements.
856
00:39:40,312 --> 00:39:43,780
Of the moon's far side.
857
00:39:43,782 --> 00:39:46,883
The lunar orbiter program began
With five successful.
858
00:39:46,885 --> 00:39:51,654
Unmanned lunar orbit
Missions in 1966 through 1967.
859
00:39:51,656 --> 00:39:53,957
They were outfitted with
More than just the cameras.
860
00:39:53,959 --> 00:39:55,358
Necessary for imaging.
861
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,562
They were self-contained
Floating robotic photo labs.
862
00:39:59,564 --> 00:40:01,698
The 70-millimeter film
Could be processed.
863
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:03,099
And scanned by the orbiter.
864
00:40:03,101 --> 00:40:06,136
Before it would beam
The images back to earth.
865
00:40:06,138 --> 00:40:10,073
In addition to moon photography,
Orbiters on those 1960s missions.
866
00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,342
Provided some of
The first-ever images.
867
00:40:12,344 --> 00:40:15,979
Of the whole earth from space.
868
00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:18,681
Let's go look at the results.
869
00:40:18,683 --> 00:40:20,784
Excuse me if I'm skeptical.
870
00:40:20,786 --> 00:40:22,018
Look.
871
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:24,154
There's evidence there,
Proof that the apollo.
872
00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:26,055
Landing site
From this lro image.
873
00:40:26,057 --> 00:40:28,191
Looks like evidence of
A boulder to me, actually.
874
00:40:28,193 --> 00:40:29,273
Alright, Let's keep looking.
875
00:40:29,297 --> 00:40:30,660
At first glance,
Yes, these photos.
876
00:40:30,662 --> 00:40:32,829
Are far more detailed
Than anything we've seen before,
877
00:40:32,831 --> 00:40:35,165
But I still don't know
What we're looking at.
878
00:40:35,167 --> 00:40:36,966
Could be a boulder,
Could be a shadow,
879
00:40:36,968 --> 00:40:38,435
Could be dust on the lens.
880
00:40:38,437 --> 00:40:39,636
Leland's pointing at things.
881
00:40:39,638 --> 00:40:42,872
And just hoping that
There's something there.
882
00:40:42,874 --> 00:40:43,994
Alright, Let's keep looking.
883
00:40:44,018 --> 00:40:45,575
- Whoa.
- Camera.
884
00:40:45,577 --> 00:40:46,709
Hold on.
885
00:40:46,711 --> 00:40:48,111
Lunar module, Look at that.
886
00:40:48,113 --> 00:40:49,612
The lunar module right there.
887
00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:50,880
They're in tracks there.
888
00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:52,081
Lunar rover tracks.
889
00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:53,883
For the first time... Come on.
890
00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:59,355
Let's see what else we...
Station 11.
891
00:40:59,357 --> 00:41:00,390
Eagle descent stage.
892
00:41:00,392 --> 00:41:03,026
Look at that, Right there.
893
00:41:03,028 --> 00:41:04,294
You still don't believe?
894
00:41:04,296 --> 00:41:06,129
Okay, now, that...
Look at that... the flag.
895
00:41:06,131 --> 00:41:08,064
Yeah. There are tracks there.
896
00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:09,566
That's clearly manmade.
897
00:41:09,568 --> 00:41:11,328
And look... look at the outline
Of the lunar.
898
00:41:11,330 --> 00:41:12,629
That's the descent stage.
899
00:41:12,631 --> 00:41:14,404
Yeah, the descent stage.
900
00:41:14,406 --> 00:41:16,573
Now we're starting
To see some evidence,
901
00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:18,641
Proof of the apollo 11 landing.
902
00:41:18,643 --> 00:41:21,511
The lro images definitely
Showed the objects.
903
00:41:21,513 --> 00:41:22,712
We've been looking for.
904
00:41:22,714 --> 00:41:26,349
We can even see the shadows
That they cast.
905
00:41:26,351 --> 00:41:28,751
"A," for the first time
In this investigation,
906
00:41:28,753 --> 00:41:31,120
We have verifiable
Photographic proof.
907
00:41:31,122 --> 00:41:32,689
Of man's presence On the moon.
908
00:41:32,691 --> 00:41:34,524
Yeah. Okay, I'll...
909
00:41:34,526 --> 00:41:37,660
I'll admit you guys
Got me on this one,
910
00:41:37,662 --> 00:41:40,697
But you have to understand that
We're talking about the fact.
911
00:41:40,699 --> 00:41:43,967
That nasa did get
To the moon eventually.
912
00:41:43,969 --> 00:41:48,104
That doesn't mean that apollo 11
Was a legitimate landing.
913
00:41:48,106 --> 00:41:50,473
The lro photos only proved
That we've been to the moon,
914
00:41:50,475 --> 00:41:54,477
But they don't prove that those
Are remnants of a 1969 landing,
915
00:41:54,479 --> 00:41:57,981
That the us was ready
To get there by jfk's deadline.
916
00:41:57,983 --> 00:42:00,049
What we've got is,
We've got no visual evidence,
917
00:42:00,051 --> 00:42:02,619
No video left of apollo 11.
918
00:42:02,621 --> 00:42:05,355
That proves that we actually
Went way back in 1969.
919
00:42:05,357 --> 00:42:09,392
Because we simply weren't ready
To go to the moon yet.
920
00:42:09,394 --> 00:42:13,196
We're obtaining solid, factual
Evidence of the '69 landing,
921
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:15,865
And mike still refuses
To face reality.
922
00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:18,468
We have to cure him
Of his skepticism.
923
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:21,237
Our investigations continue.
73275
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