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There is nothing
that you don't want to see more
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than this "Cannibal Holocaust."
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It's gonna be remembered
forever,
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because how much ugly
and disgusting--
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you cannot--nothing's more
disgusting and ugly than that.
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Once they started
killing things,
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I thought, oh,
I'm not sure what this is.
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Things like this happen all
the time in the jungle,
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it's survival of the fittest!
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So now it gets real.
Now it's real.
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They were trying
to make this movie
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the most real horror ever.
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It was real animals.
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Talking about political
correctness now,
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we, we should all be sent
to jail.
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"Cannibal Holocaust"
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is a fascinating phenomenon.
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It's a problematic film,
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to label it as an exploitation
film
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is not understanding it.
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And at the same time,
elevating it too highly
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is equally problematic,
I think.
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The fact that one cannot
find an easy way out
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of interpreting
"Cannibal Holocaust"
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is why the film works.
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It is exploitative,
on many levels,
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and of course, there's the
actual killing of animals,
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which is extremely problematic.
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And at the same time,
it's a film that points
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the finger towards the public
saying, you want violence.
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So it's satisfying that,
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as it accuses the public
of wanting it.
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- I wonder who the real
cannibals are.
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It's a very nasty thing
to do to an audience.
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It is something that is not
only going to lure you in
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with some kind of promise
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of a taboo busted
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or a forbidden image
being revealed,
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that will not only do that,
but after doing that,
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say, eww, you wanted
to see that?
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The attraction, not only
of "Cannibal Holocaust,"
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but all manner of dubious
objects of the period
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is they're bad.
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And you ought not be caught
in their company.
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And for a certain category
of viewer,
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to which I proudly belong,
uh...
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I want be keeping
that bad company.
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"Cannibal Holocaust"
has one of the things
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that makes Italian genre cinema
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so historically relevant,
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which is that it assimilated
so much of what was going on
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in that period.
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Italian genre cinema
is extremely reactive.
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There would be a genre,
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usually made popular
by Americans.
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We would initially try
to reproduce
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the same kind of effect.
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Find a new interpretive theme.
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But the cannibal genre
in itself,
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is Italian.
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It is difficult
to think of any genre
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or sub-genre that
is as disreputable
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as Italian cannibal films.
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I don't think you can point
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to any contemporary equivalent
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to the kind of filmmaking
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that was going on
in Italy through the 1960s,
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'70s, and '80s.
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We see horror getting
more and more violent.
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Italian society was changing.
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The public of the '70s
didn't want capes
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and dark towers and castles,
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and old counts running around
with candelabras.
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The public of the '70s
wanted something real.
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We see a lot of films
pushing the envelope
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as far as what could be
shown onscreen.
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That search for the shocking
element has to do with
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kind of what they had to see
on the news,
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that idea that violence
was all around them.
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And cinema assimilated that.
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- Well, what do you think,
Professor?
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- That it's not the best way
of establishing peace
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with the Yakumo Tribe.
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- This is nothing.
Alan did much worse.
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Just watch.
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When our intrepid
professor is sitting down
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at the flatbed reel-to-reel
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and reviewing the footage,
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immediately, I think of Mick
Jagger and the Maysles
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sitting down at the flatbed
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and watching the Altamont
footage.
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Could you see what was
happening there?
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ManNo, you couldn't see
anything.
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Whether it's another--
it's another scuffle, it was--
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- There's the Angel right there
with a knife.
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For as long as there has
been a documentary tradition,
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there has been a tradition
of falsification.
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Going back to Flaherty
and his "Nanook,"
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I guarantee you
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if you handed an Inuit man
a record,
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he would not try to take
a bite out of it.
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This is you know,
very clearly
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something staged for
the camera.
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There is this entire lineage
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of semi-documentary approaches
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in fiction films.
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Realism ultimately is
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whatever aesthetic
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people seem to have agreed
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constitutes reality
at a given moment.
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A shaky camera,
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muffled sound,
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and a general clumsiness
of approach.
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You can look, for example,
at the opening
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of "Citizen Kane,"
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which gives us this newsreel
presentation
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of the life of Charles
Foster Kane.
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This is something that,
you know, continues
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long after "Cannibal
Holocaust."
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And in some ways,
"Cannibal Holocaust"
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just represents the logical
endpoint of this.
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And it also represents
kind of an inversion
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of the Mondo film.
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Deodato has never made
a secret
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of the fact that he took
a lot of inspiration
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from Jacopetti
with "Mondo Kane,"
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and with the "Mondo" movies,
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which maybe now we could define
as kind of,
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a sort of a mockumentary.
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Male The women
are very pretty,
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and very nonchalant about
matters of love.
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For centuries they have played
a sport on these beaches
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which is very popular here,
too, man-hunting.
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- But they definitely
intertwined reality
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and staged reality.
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But they're always looking
for some kind of realism,
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shocking, absurd, grotesque,
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With "Cannibal Holocaust,"
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you see the search for some
kind of realism within it.
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- What has happened!
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Help us!
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"Cannibal Holocaust"
really is the original
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"Blair Witch Project,"
for sure.
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This is fuckin'
crazy shit!
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Right after the movie
premiered at Sundance,
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somebody on our website said,
hey, I saw the movie,
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have you ever seen
"Cannibal Holocaust?"
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I definitely hadn't seen it,
so they sent me a VHS,
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and I told- you know, and he--
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you know, the guy told me
the setup, and I was like,
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holy crap, that sounds exactly
like "Blair Witch."
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And obviously there are
distinctions between
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"Cannibal Holocaust" and "Blair
Witch," after watching it.
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The original idea that Dan
and I came up with
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in the early '90s,
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was inspired by pseudo
documentary-type movies
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and TV shows that really
scared the crap out of us.
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Like, "The Legend
of Boggy Creek."
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- And then there was a show
called, "In Search of..."
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that you know, had a Bigfoot
episode, and there was--
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and it seemed to be like there
was a Bigfoot documentary
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you know, every other week
when I was a kid.
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To have eluded us
for so long,
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Bigfoot must understand men
very well.
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The burden will be on us
to understand him.
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- You watch an old rerun
of "Unsolved Mysteries,"
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Like, if it's the right story,
man, that's some creepy shit.
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I think what makes those
things scary
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is that they're presented
as real.
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They're presented as news.
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- Montgomery College film
students Heather Donahue,
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Michael Williams,
and Joshua Leonard,
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were reportedly shooting
a school project
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about a local myth called
"The Blair Witch."
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- After three days
of searching,
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local officials will continue
to look for--
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- Cut. Beautiful.
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They used techniques
that you've only seen
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in documentaries and newscasts,
and you know,
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we-our brains are accustomed
to like, oh, okay,
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this is real, so we were like,
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I wonder if you could
do that now.
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Like, do something where,
you know,
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basically make a fake
documentary and make it scary.
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I'm lucky that I never watched
"Cannibal Holocaust"
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until after "Blair Witch,"
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because I would not have made
"Blair Witch" if it was--
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if we had seen
"Cannibal Holocaust."
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Robert Kerman was
a classically trained actor
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who, like a lot of independent
actors
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had a very hard time
finding work
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in theatre and film,
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and commercials and television,
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and had a very easy time
finding work in sex films.
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He worked for Roberta Findlay
a lot.
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- All right,
I won't need you for now.
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And please hold my calls.
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Who else would employ
him to be in a film?
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You've told me that he
is the star of uh,
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"Cannibal Holocaust,"
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whatever that may be.
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I can't imagine
how he got that job.
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What do you remember
about Robert Kerman?
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- Well, he of course was one
of the New York crowd,
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and he was very serious
about acting,
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and he thought he was
a great actor.
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- Oh, Honey.
- Oh, come on, get outta here.
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He also thought
he was wildly attractive,
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and good-looking.
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I found that to be amazing.
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Oh, you turn me on.
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- An amazing self-deception.
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He wasn't much of a lover.
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You're not speaking
personally, you mean on...
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- No, not--oh God, no.
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Oh! Oh!
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I'm gonna be sick.
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Um... no.
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Onscreen.
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The greatest shock,
to me,
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was finding his face
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in three, four shots
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in "The Goodbye Girl."
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That seems to be the greatest
accomplishment.
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I feel like he definitely
was sad
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that he would be remembered for
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having sex on camera,
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and being in
"Cannibal Holocaust."
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Which is worse?
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- In... he,
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not that I can speak for him,
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but I would venture to say,
based on his interviews,
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being in "Cannibal Holocaust."
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I was 18-years-old,
18 and a half.
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We were a bunch of young kids.
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Excited, ready to kill
to get a role.
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And, you know, I didn't even
read the script.
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They said, do you want to do
a movie in Colombia?
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In this little town,
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I think it was called Leticia,
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and they liked me and the other
guy,
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the guy with white hair,
blonde,
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blondish-white hair,
that is in the movie,
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I forgot his name now,
I'm going blank.
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I had an agent,
that told me
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that Ruggero Deodato
was looking for an actress
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for the movie
"Cannibal Holocaust."
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- I was young and stupid,
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and so I decided to do this
movie because I was young,
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and really stupid.
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- I'm Carl Yorke,
I played Alan Yates
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in "Cannibal Holocaust."
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I flew to Leticia,
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which is down on the Amazon
River,
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and then once we land in that,
256
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I get to be in
"Cannibal Holocaust."
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All right! All right!
Let's go!
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We landed in Leticia,
and then they put me in a boat,
259
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drove me up the river to go
to the set,
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and-and one thing that floated
by was a dead monkey,
261
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and then a human leg
floated by.
262
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I kinda thought the monkey
was real.
263
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I didn't know that the leg
wasn't real.
264
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It was a fitting introduction,
I'll put it that way.
265
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I flew with
Lusa Barbareschi.
266
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He was a lovely guy, Luca.
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Francesca,
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you know, she was very easy,
she had fun.
269
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We all tried to have sex
with her,
270
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but nobody succeed.
271
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I think he was
hoping that we would get close.
272
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But it didn't happen.
273
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The first night,
I got to read the script.
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You know, as an actor, there's
these times where you're...
275
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they ask you to do something
that you normally
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wouldn't do in your life.
277
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The first time you read
a script,
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when you get to one
of those things,
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you tend to, I tend to,
280
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I will go maybe into a little
bit of denial, like,
281
00:18:46,081 --> 00:18:48,131
maybe we don't have to do
this scene, you know?
282
00:18:49,345 --> 00:18:51,255
Um, the rape scene
was one of those.
283
00:18:51,304 --> 00:18:53,964
- I think we got one!
Grab her!
284
00:18:54,002 --> 00:18:55,872
I didn't want
to do that scene, and I um...
285
00:18:55,917 --> 00:18:57,657
- Look what we found!
286
00:18:57,701 --> 00:19:00,271
- I woke up that morning,
287
00:19:00,313 --> 00:19:02,183
and I told everybody
I was sick.
288
00:19:02,228 --> 00:19:04,268
I was actually trying not
to go to school that day.
289
00:19:04,317 --> 00:19:06,577
I was hoping that Mom would say
you can stay home from school.
290
00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:09,669
Because I didn't wanna shoot
that scene.
291
00:19:09,713 --> 00:19:11,373
And um...
292
00:19:12,542 --> 00:19:15,022
but I did.
- Ah!
293
00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:16,756
What a spectacular
actress she was.
294
00:19:16,807 --> 00:19:18,367
- Do you want me to keep
shooting or what?
295
00:19:18,418 --> 00:19:21,198
And she also, you know,
went along with the rape.
296
00:19:21,247 --> 00:19:23,807
This was a scene
that upset everyone.
297
00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:27,038
And so everybody was very
tense, and...
298
00:19:27,078 --> 00:19:29,598
because Ruggero was very
aggressive at this point,
299
00:19:29,646 --> 00:19:31,946
was screaming to everyone,
and uh, to Carl,
300
00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:34,166
to-to Perry,
he wasn't happy.
301
00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:37,704
And it was a difficult scene.
302
00:19:39,003 --> 00:19:41,183
And so I went mad.
And I, and I bit him.
303
00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:43,233
- Shut up!
304
00:19:43,269 --> 00:19:45,139
- And he went around saying,
oh, she's biting me,
305
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:46,844
she's biting me!
Ohh! Ohh! Oh!
306
00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:52,536
And then Francesca, who
was playing my girlfriend...
307
00:19:52,582 --> 00:19:54,582
- Jack! What do you want
to use it for?!
308
00:19:54,628 --> 00:19:56,498
A porno film?!
309
00:19:56,543 --> 00:19:59,333
pulled me off
of this girl,
310
00:19:59,372 --> 00:20:01,722
and I sat down right
in the mud.
311
00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:04,325
And the mud went squirtin'
right up my ass.
312
00:20:04,377 --> 00:20:06,247
- And then at this point,
I became really crazy,
313
00:20:06,292 --> 00:20:07,952
I started beating him.
314
00:20:07,989 --> 00:20:09,379
- Ah!
- Stop it!
315
00:20:09,425 --> 00:20:12,245
Bam! Bam! Bam! And then
threw it in the mud.
316
00:20:12,298 --> 00:20:14,388
- She clipped me in the chin,
and she chipped my tooth.
317
00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:16,390
That was another thing
that pissed me off,
318
00:20:16,432 --> 00:20:18,742
'cause I'm an actor,
I'm vain, you know?
319
00:20:18,782 --> 00:20:21,522
I'm like, oh, you fuckin'
chipped my tooth?
320
00:20:21,568 --> 00:20:23,868
- Oh! Ah!
- You're bad!
321
00:20:25,702 --> 00:20:28,142
- I-I have to say that
that girl,
322
00:20:28,183 --> 00:20:29,753
she was, I think, 14.
323
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,260
- It's one test after another,
who am I?
324
00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:04,788
Am I a rapist?
Um, no.
325
00:21:04,828 --> 00:21:06,568
Am I a guy who can...
326
00:21:09,398 --> 00:21:11,658
pretend to rape somebody?
327
00:21:11,705 --> 00:21:13,355
If you pay me.
328
00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:17,059
And they were payin' me,
so I pretended.
329
00:21:18,929 --> 00:21:20,979
The love scene.
330
00:21:21,018 --> 00:21:22,798
That was a whole
different problem.
331
00:21:22,846 --> 00:21:25,276
Before we did it,
Francesca said,
332
00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:27,417
let's go out in the jungle
and practice this, you know?
333
00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:30,419
Like, for real.
334
00:21:30,463 --> 00:21:32,383
- Yeah, I told him,
why don't we try--
335
00:21:32,421 --> 00:21:34,601
why don't we try for real?
336
00:21:34,641 --> 00:21:37,031
Carl was a really lovely boy,
he was really nice.
337
00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:42,476
- You know, I'm not taking
my pants down
338
00:21:42,518 --> 00:21:44,298
out there in the jungle.
I see what's out there.
339
00:21:45,956 --> 00:21:48,086
I'm-I'm--uh, you know.
340
00:21:48,132 --> 00:21:50,052
- He passed? Oh my God.
341
00:21:50,091 --> 00:21:52,351
No, I tried, but at the time,
342
00:21:52,398 --> 00:21:54,178
I was trying to fuck
everything that was moving.
343
00:21:54,225 --> 00:21:55,705
And we do it
the first time,
344
00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:57,489
and my first thought is,
345
00:21:57,533 --> 00:21:59,673
God, I hope we don't have
to do this again.
346
00:21:59,709 --> 00:22:02,839
And Ruggero goes, cut!
Okay, this time...
347
00:22:02,886 --> 00:22:04,536
and then he pulls me aside,
and he says, this time,
348
00:22:04,584 --> 00:22:06,984
when you take her shirt off,
349
00:22:07,021 --> 00:22:08,631
I want you to show her tits
to the camera.
350
00:22:10,807 --> 00:22:12,637
Okay.
351
00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:15,249
I can do that.
352
00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:17,290
So as I'm taking
her shirt off,
353
00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:19,766
she says, what are you doing?
354
00:22:19,816 --> 00:22:22,946
And I'm like, Ruggero
said I needed to show
355
00:22:22,993 --> 00:22:24,473
your tits to the camera,
and she goes,
356
00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:26,907
well, fuck Ruggero,
I don't wanna--
357
00:22:26,954 --> 00:22:28,524
I don't want him to show my--
358
00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:30,354
I don't want you to show
my tits to the camera.
359
00:22:51,892 --> 00:22:53,502
- He took her off into
the jungle
360
00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:55,846
and screamed bloody murder
at her.
361
00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:57,506
He-you know.
362
00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:59,420
So the jungle has this canopy,
right?
363
00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:01,155
So all these gigantic leaves,
way up there.
364
00:23:01,205 --> 00:23:02,945
And it's echoing off
of the leaves.
365
00:23:02,990 --> 00:23:04,770
Everybody heard it.
366
00:23:04,818 --> 00:23:07,388
- He was shouting and screaming
like you can't imagine.
367
00:23:07,429 --> 00:23:10,649
You know, something like
really was abusive.
368
00:23:10,693 --> 00:23:13,263
Abusive, so if you can
say something
369
00:23:13,304 --> 00:23:15,744
about Ruggero Deodato,
he was an abusive director.
370
00:23:15,785 --> 00:23:18,135
- And she's fighting,
and fighting and fighting,
371
00:23:18,179 --> 00:23:19,569
and then, boom,
372
00:23:19,615 --> 00:23:22,095
here comes the moment
where she starts crying.
373
00:23:22,139 --> 00:23:23,709
And as soon as he got
her crying,
374
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:25,670
he knew he got her
where he needed her,
375
00:23:25,708 --> 00:23:27,448
brought her back as soon
as he could.
376
00:23:27,493 --> 00:23:29,843
We did the next shot,
the next uh, the next take.
377
00:23:31,018 --> 00:23:33,018
She came back very somber.
378
00:23:33,063 --> 00:23:34,803
Boom, let's do the love scene.
379
00:23:36,632 --> 00:23:38,632
- He has never been discreet,
this guy, never.
380
00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:52,132
- Well, I was not prepared,
381
00:23:52,169 --> 00:23:54,609
this-this hard experience,
no, I wasn't.
382
00:24:15,192 --> 00:24:17,762
- I knew that I-I had to be
naked at some point,
383
00:24:17,804 --> 00:24:20,374
I knew that it was going
to be a rape scene,
384
00:24:20,415 --> 00:24:22,455
but please, you be discreet.
385
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:25,420
"I see, I promise you,
I promise you."
386
00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:26,994
And then he went too far,
387
00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:28,860
and so I was really
disappointed that I--
388
00:24:28,902 --> 00:24:30,862
it was a disaster.
389
00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:33,384
The feeling of this-of this
movie has been a disaster
390
00:24:33,428 --> 00:24:34,518
all my life.
391
00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,099
- He's a bit rude, Ruggero.
392
00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:00,594
Ruggero is the cowboy
of the film, you know?
393
00:25:00,629 --> 00:25:03,629
Let's shoot, let's make the
scene in which he fucks her,
394
00:25:03,676 --> 00:25:05,896
let's do-you know,
it was very basic.
395
00:25:07,331 --> 00:25:09,601
Ruggero's a basic man,
he's not um...
396
00:25:09,638 --> 00:25:11,508
uh, super intellectual.
397
00:26:54,874 --> 00:26:57,224
And then comes this
moment where Ruggero says,
398
00:26:57,267 --> 00:26:58,657
I want you to shoot this pig.
399
00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:03,533
So the challenge was,
can I um...
400
00:27:03,578 --> 00:27:05,748
can I say no to the director?
401
00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:10,454
And he's like, we're gonna eat
that pig tonight, you know?
402
00:27:10,498 --> 00:27:12,718
You can-it's okay to shoot it,
we're gonna eat it!
403
00:27:14,241 --> 00:27:16,031
I...
404
00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:19,029
I-I don't wanna say that's
the way he manipulated me,
405
00:27:19,072 --> 00:27:21,472
but I told him I wouldn't kill
him, and I--
406
00:27:21,509 --> 00:27:23,029
so I can't do it.
407
00:27:23,076 --> 00:27:25,506
But Luca, you know,
Luca grew up on a farm,
408
00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:27,116
it was no big deal for him.
409
00:27:27,167 --> 00:27:28,817
He was like, yeah,
I'll shoot the pig.
410
00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:30,824
- I shot the little piggies,
you know,
411
00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:32,736
this scene is real.
412
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:38,220
Killing a pig is not
nice to watch.
413
00:27:38,265 --> 00:27:40,785
But people eat ham every day,
414
00:27:40,833 --> 00:27:43,233
so somebody has to kill
the pig.
415
00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:46,620
Ten years ago, I had to call
DIGOS with the Secret Service,
416
00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:48,615
because I was having a show
in Venice,
417
00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:51,097
and 200 madmen with dogs,
418
00:27:52,888 --> 00:27:55,538
of course, they are all
against animal killing,
419
00:27:55,586 --> 00:27:58,626
they put poster all over Venice
saying,
420
00:27:58,677 --> 00:28:01,157
let's kill Luca Barbareschi.
421
00:28:01,201 --> 00:28:03,251
And honestly, this was
a bit annoying,
422
00:28:03,290 --> 00:28:05,120
because you never know if,
you know,
423
00:28:05,161 --> 00:28:07,031
it's enough one crazy
that shoots you,
424
00:28:07,076 --> 00:28:09,166
and that's the end.
425
00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:11,119
And you should be
careful about
426
00:28:11,167 --> 00:28:13,257
what future regrets you pick.
427
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,260
Do you think that was
a future regret you did avoid?
428
00:28:15,302 --> 00:28:16,782
- Absolutely.
429
00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:19,921
And I...
430
00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:22,699
I can only measure against
the other people in the movie.
431
00:28:23,963 --> 00:28:25,973
One of 'em being Perry.
432
00:28:26,008 --> 00:28:28,358
He's the one who did
the turtle.
433
00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:32,320
I don't think he was happy
with the fact
434
00:28:32,362 --> 00:28:34,362
that he did some of that stuff.
435
00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:39,593
Yeah?
436
00:28:44,026 --> 00:28:45,846
Uh, at the turtle.
437
00:28:48,552 --> 00:28:50,422
He was doing for real,
438
00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:52,247
I never imagined
he was doing for real.
439
00:28:52,295 --> 00:28:54,425
Never, never,
could imagine it was so--
440
00:28:56,169 --> 00:28:57,949
Never, nobody was thinking
something like this.
441
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,698
Of course it is an abuse.
442
00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:04,958
Isn't it not?
It is the most enormous abuse.
443
00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:09,049
It's an enormous abuse.
444
00:29:09,095 --> 00:29:11,045
You cannot have an abuse
more than that.
445
00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:12,877
You're imprisoned
in the jungle,
446
00:29:12,925 --> 00:29:15,055
and you have to assist
in the killing.
447
00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,021
My God.
448
00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:22,799
I don't want to remember.
449
00:29:22,848 --> 00:29:24,018
You don't want
to talk about it?
450
00:29:24,066 --> 00:29:25,586
- No! No.
451
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:39,686
We flew home together
to New York.
452
00:29:41,301 --> 00:29:43,351
I saw him one more time when
I was still living in New York,
453
00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:45,260
and um, and that was it.
454
00:29:46,567 --> 00:29:48,477
- No, he doesn't talk about
the film anymore,
455
00:29:48,525 --> 00:29:50,525
because he was involved
in everything, in everything.
456
00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:41,541
I think
"Cannibal Holocaust"
457
00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:44,148
has become the film that
represents animal slaughter,
458
00:30:44,190 --> 00:30:47,020
but it's actually got
a far kind of deeper,
459
00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:49,152
and-and kind of richer
tradition in cinema.
460
00:30:51,284 --> 00:30:53,034
I mean, we see it right back
at the start of cinema,
461
00:30:53,068 --> 00:30:55,588
with Edison's electrocuting
an elephant.
462
00:30:55,636 --> 00:30:57,766
It obviously happened
in a lot of westerns,
463
00:30:57,812 --> 00:31:00,212
with the "flying W,"
which was a trip wire,
464
00:31:00,249 --> 00:31:02,079
which used to trip over
the horses,
465
00:31:02,121 --> 00:31:04,251
and they used to die
when that happened.
466
00:31:04,297 --> 00:31:06,257
Another famous example
is something
467
00:31:06,299 --> 00:31:08,079
like "Apocalypse Now,"
468
00:31:08,127 --> 00:31:10,037
and that scene of the water
buffalo getting killed
469
00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:12,435
at that ceremony.
470
00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:14,129
In "Cannibal Holocaust,"
471
00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:15,436
especially with the turtle
scene,
472
00:31:15,482 --> 00:31:17,612
we see that...
473
00:31:17,658 --> 00:31:19,528
turtle completely eviscerated.
474
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:23,320
The animal slaughter
in exploitation films
475
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,409
becomes another set piece.
476
00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:28,318
The focus on animal slaughter
has always diverted attention
477
00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:31,284
away from the kind of colonial
discourses that existed
478
00:31:31,324 --> 00:31:33,244
in this film, and you know,
479
00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:35,632
the racism,
and the treatment of women.
480
00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:39,589
- The animal killings are...
481
00:31:39,636 --> 00:31:41,546
something that,
482
00:31:41,595 --> 00:31:43,375
not without justification,
483
00:31:43,423 --> 00:31:45,383
people focus on.
484
00:31:45,425 --> 00:31:48,075
And the function that they
serve is obvious,
485
00:31:48,123 --> 00:31:51,653
because the film
is attempting to give a...
486
00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,482
simulacra of reality,
487
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,832
and when you see the viscera
488
00:31:57,872 --> 00:32:00,742
of a tortoise slithering
around...
489
00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:07,582
that then adds an additional
level of verisimilitude
490
00:32:09,057 --> 00:32:11,627
to the butchery of humans,
491
00:32:11,668 --> 00:32:13,278
which, to the best
of my knowledge,
492
00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:15,112
did not actually happen.
493
00:32:16,499 --> 00:32:18,019
Once we started
killing things,
494
00:32:18,066 --> 00:32:20,976
I started bringing my passport,
495
00:32:21,026 --> 00:32:23,026
and all my money,
496
00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:25,381
and my plane ticket with me,
every day, to the set.
497
00:32:27,902 --> 00:32:29,562
I wasn't sure if I--
498
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:30,989
this was a snuff movie
or not.
499
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:32,906
I didn't know...
500
00:32:32,951 --> 00:32:34,951
what their intention was.
501
00:32:36,432 --> 00:32:38,832
It feels like about
as close to a snuff film
502
00:32:38,869 --> 00:32:40,959
as you wanna see.
503
00:32:41,002 --> 00:32:42,962
I mean, these guys did kill
a turtle,
504
00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:45,924
so maybe they really--
did these people really die?
505
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:47,314
Like, what the hell?!
506
00:32:47,356 --> 00:32:49,046
How the hell did they make
this movie, you know?
507
00:32:49,097 --> 00:32:51,487
- Pretty powerful stuff, huh?
508
00:32:51,534 --> 00:32:54,364
- To use that contract
509
00:32:54,407 --> 00:32:56,577
between filmmaker and audience,
510
00:32:56,626 --> 00:32:59,406
and take advantage in some ways
511
00:32:59,455 --> 00:33:02,065
of the audience's credulity
512
00:33:03,459 --> 00:33:05,899
is part of the game being
played.
513
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:08,730
I know that there was some
kind of fuss kicked up
514
00:33:08,769 --> 00:33:10,419
by the Mercury Theatre
515
00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:13,246
"War of the Worlds" broadcast
in 1938,
516
00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:16,255
which is using some
of the same tactics
517
00:33:16,298 --> 00:33:19,258
as does "Cannibal Holocaust."
518
00:33:19,301 --> 00:33:21,431
This is Orson Welles,
ladies and gentlemen.
519
00:33:21,477 --> 00:33:23,387
Out of character,
520
00:33:23,436 --> 00:33:25,256
to assure you that
"The War of the Worlds"
521
00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:27,877
has no further significance
than as the holiday offering
522
00:33:27,918 --> 00:33:30,048
it was intended to be.
523
00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:33,615
- But I don't know to what
degree an audience of 1980
524
00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:37,406
who saw "Cannibal Holocaust"
525
00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:39,150
thought that they were watching
526
00:33:39,191 --> 00:33:41,801
human lives snuffed out
on camera.
527
00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:43,535
I would guess there was
certainly a...
528
00:33:43,586 --> 00:33:45,196
smidgen of the audience
that did.
529
00:34:11,614 --> 00:34:13,314
- Four youngsters who never
came back.
530
00:34:24,236 --> 00:34:27,276
- Yes, the agreement was that
we have to hide ourself,
531
00:34:27,326 --> 00:34:30,156
with the-and we don't have
to show in any other movie
532
00:34:30,198 --> 00:34:32,418
for a certain period of time.
533
00:34:32,461 --> 00:34:34,721
- Well, the plan was to tell
that we really died.
534
00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:38,901
- He said, okay, everybody
thinks it's uh, it's real.
535
00:34:38,946 --> 00:34:41,206
That you have been-this
is a real documentary.
536
00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:45,168
He wanted
to market the film
537
00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:47,093
as if it was a snuff movie.
538
00:34:48,434 --> 00:34:50,224
- I mean, "Blair Witch"
is a different story,
539
00:34:50,262 --> 00:34:52,132
because it was a different
time,
540
00:34:52,177 --> 00:34:53,917
and obviously we hadn't killed
the filmmakers, but...
541
00:34:53,961 --> 00:34:55,751
with "Cannibal Holocaust,"
542
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:57,399
the filmmakers basically hid
the actors,
543
00:34:57,443 --> 00:34:59,103
and I think that's part of why
they got into trouble.
544
00:35:13,023 --> 00:35:14,853
- I think it was like a real
court case and stuff,
545
00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:16,285
like, right, he had to like,
prove himself in court
546
00:35:16,331 --> 00:35:18,461
that they-that you know,
of just the techniques,
547
00:35:18,507 --> 00:35:20,207
and the actors had to like,
come out and actually like,
548
00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:21,988
you know, show themselves.
549
00:35:55,544 --> 00:35:57,814
So I don't really know
much about that story.
550
00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:00,111
And I generally don't talk
about it,
551
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:01,938
but I will this time.
552
00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:03,725
This is what I'll tell you.
553
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:05,950
I didn't sign anything,
554
00:36:05,989 --> 00:36:08,169
and they never brought me
into court.
555
00:36:11,691 --> 00:36:14,611
I think it's a brilliant
sales idea.
556
00:36:21,918 --> 00:36:23,528
- Uh, no, no. Um...
557
00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:28,006
a lot of elements,
558
00:36:28,055 --> 00:36:30,745
a lot of elements that
are tied to the trial,
559
00:36:31,972 --> 00:36:34,542
that return in many interviews,
560
00:36:34,583 --> 00:36:36,893
are often part of that
wanting to...
561
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:39,073
create a legend,
basically, you know.
562
00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:42,459
What we do know, for a fact,
563
00:36:42,504 --> 00:36:44,854
is that there was indeed
a hearing
564
00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:48,288
that involved Sergio D'Offizi,
the cinematographer,
565
00:36:48,336 --> 00:36:50,246
the producers, Deodato.
566
00:36:52,035 --> 00:36:54,515
The thing they were accused of
was uh,
567
00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:48,273
The film was removed
from theatres completely.
568
00:37:50,529 --> 00:37:53,229
The film, you know, had to be
literally cancelled.
569
00:37:53,271 --> 00:37:55,531
- I was very happy.
I was so happy that the--
570
00:37:55,577 --> 00:37:57,447
that the movie has been banned,
571
00:37:57,492 --> 00:37:59,582
so that nobody could see it.
572
00:37:59,625 --> 00:38:01,705
- That series of events really
kind of changed
573
00:38:01,757 --> 00:38:03,667
the course of Deodato's career,
574
00:38:03,716 --> 00:38:05,586
and pretty much everybody
who participated in the film.
575
00:38:06,675 --> 00:38:08,545
- Hey!
576
00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:11,590
- We find the cannibal genre
to be the last big phenomenon.
577
00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:16,033
Italian cinema was a giant
578
00:38:16,076 --> 00:38:18,166
and then the giant dies.
579
00:38:18,208 --> 00:38:20,338
It doesn't die softly
in the night.
580
00:38:20,385 --> 00:38:22,865
It dies shouting,
and screaming, and kicking,
581
00:38:24,214 --> 00:38:27,704
and that's how Italian
genre cinema died.
582
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:30,400
In the jungle with people
being ripped apart.
583
00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:09,764
- That it is a film.
584
00:40:09,798 --> 00:40:11,408
It's only rock 'n' roll.
585
00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:14,715
One day I went to see
Alice Cooper.
586
00:40:15,978 --> 00:40:18,148
And I was shooting,
you know, in film.
587
00:40:18,198 --> 00:40:21,238
And I shot part of the concert.
588
00:40:21,288 --> 00:40:23,418
Then I went back in the editing
room,
589
00:40:23,464 --> 00:40:26,864
and I-we couldn't match
the singing and the lip.
590
00:40:26,902 --> 00:40:28,692
I did the clap, can't you see?
591
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:30,690
We go slowly,
you know the Moviola,
592
00:40:30,732 --> 00:40:34,042
I was really rr-waa-waa-wah!
593
00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:36,743
And it was out of sync.
594
00:40:36,782 --> 00:40:39,002
How can Alice Cooper sing
out of sync?
595
00:40:39,045 --> 00:40:41,735
Then I realized he was
not singing.
596
00:40:43,353 --> 00:40:45,833
He was faking.
It was all recorded, the show.
597
00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:49,445
And it's only rock 'n' roll.
598
00:40:51,318 --> 00:40:53,408
So I think,
"Cannibal Holocaust,"
599
00:40:53,451 --> 00:40:55,191
it's only rock 'n' roll.
600
00:40:57,193 --> 00:40:58,983
It is the something
that I regret the most,
601
00:40:59,021 --> 00:41:00,761
of course.
602
00:41:00,806 --> 00:41:03,586
And uh, apart to have
to deal with myself
603
00:41:04,723 --> 00:41:06,943
for a long, long time,
604
00:41:06,986 --> 00:41:10,026
to have been part of this
"Cannibal Holocaust,"
605
00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:14,336
so I never know
if I'll ever forgive myself
606
00:41:14,384 --> 00:41:16,304
uh, to be in the movie.
607
00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:20,484
- I can't understand
the reason for such cruelty.
608
00:41:20,521 --> 00:41:23,091
When you watch
"Cannibal Holocaust,"
609
00:41:23,132 --> 00:41:24,742
what do you feel?
610
00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:27,136
- Nobody's ever
asked me that.
611
00:41:28,834 --> 00:41:30,494
Um... wow.
612
00:41:32,402 --> 00:41:34,012
That's a good question.
613
00:41:38,408 --> 00:41:40,368
Well, the first word that
came to mind was "awful."
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