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[dramatic music playing]
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[static]
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-[TV]
Hussy all right?
-[dog barks]
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-[McQueen] Sminky Pinky.
-[dog whines]
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Meats.
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No.
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-[woman] You mean like a--
-Maids.
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[woman] Maids? All right.
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[TV]
Special cleansers remove
sticky marks with less
smearing...
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...pick up more dust.
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That's it. No problem...
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[TV]
...and some polishes
can smear...
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[static]
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There's lots of people
in the industry who say,
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"I discovered
Alexander McQueen."
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But you don't discover
talent. Talent's there.
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You open doors for talent,
you push it through,
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or you help it along.
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No one
discovered Alexander McQueen.
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Alexander McQueen
discovered himself.
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Lee had this very strange CV.
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I wasn't very good at school.
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I was always drawing clothes
in every lesson...
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in science,
in biology, and...
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But I used to enjoy art most.
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[woman] When he left school,
he wasn't sure
what he wanted to do.
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He was out of work,
looking for work, I should say,
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because my husband's very strict
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on the children
going out to work.
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Lee was watching a television
program one evening,
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and they was saying that
they couldn't get apprentices
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to work in Savile Row,
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so I just said to him,
"Why don't you go and try?"
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Said,
"You just knock on the door."
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They can only either
say yes or no, you know."
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And that's exactly what he done.
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[man] Anderson and Sheppard
started in 1906.
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We liked to do things slightly
different to other people.
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We have our house style,
and that's what we're gonna
teach the apprentices to make.
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[McQueen] I was taught by a
master tailor from County Cork
in Ireland.
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[Hitchcock] He was
the best tailor we had working
on the premises.
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The first year,
you start off padding collars,
putting in pockets...
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but you're expected to make
a full jacket ready for fitting
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by the end of the first year.
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As soon as you put it on,
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it should fit like a glove,
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and you know it's made for you.
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[McQueen] I knew I couldn't
survive in a place like that
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for the rest of my life,
cluttered in a small workshop,
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sitting on a bench
padding lapels.
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But I did have a passion,
and I was good at it.
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I was good
at tailoring a jacket.
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I was quick at learning
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and quick at learning trousers.
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I wanted to learn everything.
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Give me everything.
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[man] It was beginning of '90s
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when I had a bespoke
tailoring shop in Mount Street,
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and he just walked in one day.
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He looked like skinheads,
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but just told me
he can cut frock coat
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much better than
50-years-old tailor I had.
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So I was very
curious and just told him,
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"Okay. Show me
what you can do."
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I never really made
clothes in a traditional way.
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I was experimenting myself
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in how to create
structure and volumes.
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I began to just take
in material, any material,
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and by putting them
all together,
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somehow you can start to
create three-dimensional form.
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Lee wanted to understand
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why I'm doing
this way or that way.
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[woman] When Lee was 17,
he said,
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"I'll make you
a couple of skirts,"
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and I've got to say,
they fit like a glove.
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They were so fitted to my body.
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I couldn't even
move my legs hardly,
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but I used to get
compliments on this skirt.
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I did used to wonder,
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"I hope he finds the right
thing for himself in life."
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[man] He was a sweet boy
from the East End
looking to make money.
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We needed technical help.
Machinists. We needed pattern
cutters.
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We needed people
who had hands-on experience
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in making clothes.
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Gave me no attitude.
Was never late.
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Always knew what he was doing.
Always delivered.
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He listened continually
to Sinead O'Connor,
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which was quite odd,
because no one else liked
Sinead O'Connor at the time.
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He really liked her,
for some reason.
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I always remember him
with his Walkman on,
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listening to Sinead O'Connor.
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[NASA archive]
Three, two, one. Ignition.
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Liftoff.
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[McKitterick] Red or Dead
was this very young street-wear
company.
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When I said to him that
the Space Baby collection...
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was based on the anniversary
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of the men landing on the moon,
he was like, "What?"
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He didn't know
you could take a subject that
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had no relation to clothing
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and actually get inspiration
from that to design clothing.
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So he didn't understand
this idea of visual research
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or historic
references or sexual references.
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-[NASA 1]
We copy you
on the ground.
-[NASA 2]
The eagle has landed.
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He must have asked me questions.
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"What can I do next?
How can I push myself forward?"
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And at the time,
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all the designers in Italy
were opening diffusion lines.
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He went to Italy
with no language,
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no place to stay,
no money, no qualifications.
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I thought within a week,
he'll be back, you know,
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with his tail between his legs.
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A week later, maybe ten days, I
get a call from Lee from Italy.
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He'd landed a job as an
assistant for Romeo Gigli.
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To say I was shocked was
an understatement. [laughs]
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[Gigli] I say, "Okay,
I'm looking for new jacket.
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I have my mind this shape,
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but my tailor,
they cannot read that shape.
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Maybe you can
help me to do it."
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And we start to do that jacket,
and we did the first fitting.
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I say, "No, it's wrong.
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That is not
what I'm looking for."
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So with the tailor,
with Lee, they did one more.
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We did the second fitting,
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and again,
I take out the lining,
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looking inside the jacket,
and it was wrong.
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Third fitting,
I say, "No, is incorrect."
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And I take out the lining,
and inside the jacket,
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they wrote with a black pen,
"Fuck you, Romeo."
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[laughing]
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That was the time when
I was looking for new shapes--
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for shapes, for shapes...
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and he was looking
so deeply and hard.
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He was really deeply looking
to understand everything.
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He was leaving my studio
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because he want to study
more and more and more.
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[woman] You can't teach talent,
but what you can do
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is make them better at what
they do or more professional.
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And to me, the whole thinking
behind this MA
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was to make them work in teams,
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working together
as you do in the fashion world.
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I saw this unprepossessing,
I must say...
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very shabby,
very unattractive--
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I hate to be... say this,
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but it was true... boy
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with a bundle of clothes
over his arm
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outside my office.
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I said to him,
"Who are you looking for?"
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And he said,
"I've come to see you."
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But I had no job,
which he said he was after.
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The whole thing intrigued me.
He was passionate.
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And to me,
this is the secret, really,
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if you tap into that.
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I found myself saying,
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"I think you
should come on my course,"
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and I couldn't offer him money,
that was really sad,
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and it was patently obvious
he had none.
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Aunt Renee said she had money
in the bank sitting there,
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not doing anything,
and she would rather help Lee.
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She'd worked in the rag trade.
She knew that Lee had talent.
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And he came back and said,
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"My aunt is
going to pay the fees,
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and I'm coming."
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[McQueen] Saint Martins
was the place to go,
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but what I liked about it
was the freedom of expression
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and the being surrounded
by like-minded people.
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I think we got on really well
because we had the same
sense of humor.
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And he laughed all the time,
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so he was just
funny and disrespectful,
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and he'd do catwalk
shows down the corridor.
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He'd just muck around.
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Whenever he could muck around,
he'd muck around.
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I was actually teaching there
at the time as well,
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and he was not
frightened to tell people,
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"I know better than you,"
even the tutors.
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He was a bit of a nightmare
student because he knew so much.
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I'm sure he was a pain
and did interrupt people.
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He didn't actually dare
interrupt me.
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But he used it. He used it
as I intended him to use it,
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and he'd come
to a painting or a book,
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and, you know, not having
had a formal education,
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it was all new to him.
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And that was it.
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He reinterpreted things
in his way.
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It wasn't filtered through,
with a lot of us
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who had more
conventional backgrounds.
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I loved that.
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He knew where
to go for everything.
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London was his town.
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"And where do I get
my button holes?"
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He'd go, "You want to go
to Marten in Soho.
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If you want fabric, then you
want to go to Berwick Street,
Shepherd's Bush."
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He would take me to gay bars,
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and he would take me to
lesbian bars,
and he'd like sit me down,
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he'd go,
"This is what you want."
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I go, "No,
I really just want to go home.
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Can I just go home
and do my homework?"
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[Hillson] The course always
ended with the degree show.
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No other college
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had ever been invited,
as I was, to show during
British Fashion Week.
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[McKitterick] He called me when
he was nearly finishing
the final collection
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and asked me to come in
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to have a look at it
and talk to him about it.
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It had all the elements.
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It had the history of the
East End. It had the darkness.
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"Jack The Ripper
Stalks His Victims."
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It had the research.
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It had a really great story
behind it.
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[Barton] He was reading
books like
Perfume,
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which is all about
the murder of women,
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and he had
a very dark side to him as well,
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so he was drawing
from all of these influences
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and then creating something
very beautiful out of it.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[woman] The pieces went past me,
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and they moved
in a way I've never seen.
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I wanted them. They were modern.
They were classical.
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[music continues playing]
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He would do a black coat,
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and then he'd line it
with human hair,
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and it was blood-red inside,
so it was like a body.
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It was like the flesh
with blood.
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And I just thought,
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"This is the most
beautiful thing I've ever seen."
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It was about sabotage
and tradition,
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which is
the perfect combination,
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and beauty, violence.
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All the things that I suppose
the '90s represent.
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[audience applause]
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[man] How difficult
is it to discover genius?
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[Isabella] Not at all difficult,
'cause they have it,
and I spot it.
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[man] If you're interested
in the history
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of late 20-century clothes,
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Isabella Blow is a big player.
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[Isabella] I was
at American Vogue,
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and Anna Wintour
sort of discovered me,
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and I worked for her.
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Then I went to British Vogue.
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McQueen was her knight,
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and she was gonna take him
to the top.
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She was determined.
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[Isabella] I knew. I rang up
his mother and said,
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"You've produced a genius."
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I think he's like the
Saint Laurent of the year 2000.
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And his mother said to him
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that there's this mad woman
who keeps trying to call us.
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I don't know.
She wants some of your clothes.
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I rang between six
and eight times a day.
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Finally, I got a little voice
on the end of the line. "Hello?"
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So I said, "Yes. Can I come
make an appointment with you?
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My name's Isabella Blow."
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I don't know to this day
if he knew who I was.
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No. I just wanted the money.
I was desperate for money.
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I wasn't interested in him,
either. I just wanted
the clothes.
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I didn't give her no money off.
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I said, "That's 350, love.
You can take it or leave it."
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And, uh, she loved that.
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It wasn't until I went
to the Bluebird Garage
collection that he did
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that I just thought,
"What have I unleashed?"
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And he walked across,
said, "I owe it all to you,"
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which I thought
was very, very sweet,
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because it was far from true.
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He'd worked every
inch of the way himself.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[music stops]
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Every fashion designer
wants to create an illusion,
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create things that disturb,
fascinate people.
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Clothes are really
beautiful to work with,
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but there's also
a reality outside.
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Some people
don't want to hear it.
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It's all lovey-dovey,
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and everything's fine
in the world all the time,
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and I tell it the way it is.
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[man] In the '90s, you
used to make clothes to go out,
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and you used to make
something just for that night.
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You're going to this nightclub,
this person is on or that DJ.
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Right. What are we going to do?
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I think Lee took everything.
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That's one of Lee's strengths,
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that he took a lot
of Bowery's esthetic...
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it's transgressive,
it's in your face
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and thought, "How does
this translate onto a runway?"
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Lee also used
that language of fetish
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in terms of rubber
and latex and leather...
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and put it into
his fashion design.
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We started going out
with each other,
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but part of me was thinking,
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"But also, it's quite useful
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'cause I can sew as well."
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It was literally
anyone that could sew,
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and it didn't matter whether
they were any good particularly
at sewing or not.
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Were they willing to
come and sit in the studio
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for 16 hours a day,
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and were they going
to be good fun to be around.
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Lee that was the badly behaved,
naughty school boy
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that was always doing pranks
on people in the pub,
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and that's the
person that I liked, loved.
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[screaming]
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[music playing
in the background]
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[woman] At the time
I first met Lee,
I was living in Hoxton Square,
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and one day, in pops this guy,
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and I kind of figured
he had rented the downstairs.
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"Come in for a cup of tea."
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And he asked what I did.
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I said, "I do grooming for men,
hair and makeup."
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And he goes,
"I'm having a show soon.
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Would you do the hair
and makeup for the guys?"
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I was like, "Don't you need
to see some of my work first?"
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I'd never done a show before,
so... he's like,
"No, I can tell. I can tell."
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[woman] He said to me one day,
"I've decided to do my own
collection."
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And I remember thinking,
"How on earth does he think
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he's gonna have a business
and make a collection?"
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He has got nothing.
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He's got no money,
no wherewithal,
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no studio,
nobody to support him,
nothing behind him.
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And yet he was determined
this was what he was gonna do.
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I survived
on unemployment benefit,
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and I bought all my fabric...
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[laughs]
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I bought all my fabrics
with my dole money.
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And I went round to my parents
for baked beans
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and tins of soup
and things like...
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[laughs]
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[making violin sounds]
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This is my pooch.
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[Smith] He said to me,
"I really need to get a logo."
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We asked my boyfriend at
the time if he would design it.
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It was my idea to put
the "C" inside the "Q,"
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but then Dave
designed the rest of it.
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He was fantastic at getting
people to do a phenomenal
amount of work for him,
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and we were never, ever paid.
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In fact, we were
paying him to work for him.
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How amazing is that?
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[Chai-Hyde]
Just to be part of it,
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be part of his vision, yeah.
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He had that, even from
the very beginning, that pull.
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-[McQueen] Warhol.
-[woman] Woo!
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[McQueen] Yeah.
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[woman] Dance for me.
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Come on, keep it going.
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[woman laughs]
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[Smith] Isabella was
very keen to call him Alexander,
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just because she thought
it sounded better as a designer.
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Sounded grander
and more romantic.
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Issie got criticized
for trying to make him posh.
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So what? [chuckles]
Good for Issie.
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She was trying
to make him successful.
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And she did.
Alexander McQueen is a brand.
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[woman] Why do you
love her so much, Lee?
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She's the same as me.
She doesn't care. She doesn't
care what people think.
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At the end of the day, we're...
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we're separate entities
to everyone else,
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and we have our own
personal view about things.
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You fall in love with somebody,
you love it and you nurture it,
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and you look after it
like it's your garden.
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00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:58,629
People garden. They cook.
They do the same thing.
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My ingredients are clothes.
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[woman] She introduced him
to everyone. She championed him.
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So I suppose
what initially started
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as a work relationship for her
became a creative friendship.
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[Groves] She was someone
that was always really excited
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and wanted to see
the next thing and the new thing
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and wanted to push people.
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It was never about money,
as in I never saw any money
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going forwards
between either of them.
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[Detmar] I just remember
the laughter,
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exciting creativity of
the mid-90s and the adventure.
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They were on this rocket.
They shot to the moon.
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[indistinct chatter]
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You're a hungry little thing.
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[Detmar] The early days
were very happy days,
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and it was short times,
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but they were beautiful,
and they were funny.
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And Issie didn't have children,
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so she threw her maternal love
to her protégé.
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I looked forward
to seeing Alexander
'cause he made me laugh so much.
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00:20:47,946 --> 00:20:50,314
Issie and McQueen had
a dirty sense of humor.
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00:20:50,516 --> 00:20:51,849
McQueen would describe Issie
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as a cross between
Lucrezia Borgia
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and a Billingsgate fishwife.
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Issie had a very vulgar humor.
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I always found the cocks
and the cunts slightly--
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I was a bit, "Oh." [laughs]
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00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,529
I wasn't really
into their earthy humor,
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but however rude McQueen got,
Issie was even worse.
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They loved to play off each
other like that, be outrageous.
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I know Alexander loves birds,
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so I've got this bird hat
on designed by Philip
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00:21:15,741 --> 00:21:18,575
'cause we're gonna go out
to do some falconry tomorrow,
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00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:19,843
'cause Alexander's got a very--
390
00:21:19,878 --> 00:21:21,712
You know he's passionate
about birds.
391
00:21:21,747 --> 00:21:24,048
We're going to fly some falcons
tomorrow afternoon.
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[bird squawks]
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00:21:25,684 --> 00:21:27,451
[gentle music playing]
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[cries out]
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[man] We did go and stay
at Hilles a few times.
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He would end up diving
into Issie's dressing-up box
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and we'd all be wearing
sort of fantastical costumes
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for dinner and things like that.
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The world she inhabited
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was so far removed
from the world
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that any of us
had come from.
402
00:22:04,123 --> 00:22:05,956
There was a sort of
unreality to it.
403
00:22:05,991 --> 00:22:10,394
Whenever we went to that house,
you felt so at home.
404
00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:13,831
And I think Lee
felt very at home there.
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00:22:15,134 --> 00:22:19,603
[Detmar] They had
this big sister-- fun person--
to be with, who's outrageous.
406
00:22:19,638 --> 00:22:23,674
With Issie,
be as different as you can...
[chuckles] ...and keep going.
407
00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:26,410
The more different,
the more I love it.
408
00:22:27,579 --> 00:22:29,714
I really don't like
the normal. I don't think it's--
409
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You don't move forward.
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00:22:31,483 --> 00:22:32,750
Seriously, you just don't
move forward
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if you play safe.
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You really do piss
a lot of people off.
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00:22:36,622 --> 00:22:37,955
[both laughing]
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[Smith] His first shows
were unbelievable.
415
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People were winded by them.
416
00:22:46,165 --> 00:22:49,734
People walked out.
Quite a few acerbic reviews.
417
00:22:49,968 --> 00:22:53,137
But everything else
before paled into comparison.
418
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I don't want to do a show
that you walk out feeling like
you've just had Sunday lunch.
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I want you to come out either
feeling repulsed or exhilarated,
420
00:23:04,116 --> 00:23:05,783
as long as it's an emotion.
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00:23:06,485 --> 00:23:07,985
If you leave without emotion,
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00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:11,488
then I'm not doing my job
properly, so that's that.
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00:23:11,523 --> 00:23:14,658
That's the thing about
Alexander, I think his clothes
are very emotional.
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00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:17,694
This coat is,
like, based on a tramp,
425
00:23:17,729 --> 00:23:20,197
so it's based on someone
who hasn't got any money,
426
00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:22,099
standing in the street,
nowhere to sleep.
427
00:23:22,968 --> 00:23:25,502
You wrap it round yourself,
you feel fantastic.
428
00:23:25,537 --> 00:23:28,706
Then you have
all this passion and love
429
00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,842
and slashing
and sex and romance.
430
00:23:33,612 --> 00:23:36,781
[McQueen] The idea of the
collection was never to produce.
431
00:23:37,015 --> 00:23:42,052
The shows were all about
publicity and creating
a marketing ploy
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for Alexander McQueen,
the designer.
433
00:23:43,956 --> 00:23:45,889
The clothes
were impossible to reproduce
434
00:23:45,924 --> 00:23:48,759
'cause they were made out
of plastic bags or masking tape.
435
00:23:48,794 --> 00:23:49,660
They were show clothes.
436
00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:51,829
[Groves] Lee had
started doing bumsters.
437
00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:53,530
These were cut so low
438
00:23:53,565 --> 00:23:55,232
that you could see
the model's pubic hair.
439
00:23:55,267 --> 00:23:57,601
[McQueen] It's nothing
to do with pubic hair.
440
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It's just a technical thing
where, as a tailor knows,
441
00:24:00,239 --> 00:24:02,706
you're breaking up
the proportion of the body,
442
00:24:02,741 --> 00:24:05,509
by lowering the trousers,
elongating the torso.
443
00:24:05,544 --> 00:24:07,478
It's nothing to
do with bum cleavage,
444
00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,780
but that's an added bonus
if you've got a nice bum, so...
445
00:24:09,815 --> 00:24:11,215
[Detmar] He told
that model Gabe,
446
00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:13,617
"Put your pubic hairs
in Anna Wintour's face."
447
00:24:13,652 --> 00:24:15,553
[laughing]
448
00:24:16,588 --> 00:24:18,556
It's just funny.
Naughty behavior.
449
00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:21,191
You could give Alexander £500,
450
00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:23,527
and he could produce
30 pieces of clothing.
451
00:24:23,562 --> 00:24:25,662
[Detmar] He saw some cling
foil on the floor, and he said,
452
00:24:25,697 --> 00:24:27,197
"I'm just gonna
make a dress out of that.
453
00:24:27,232 --> 00:24:28,932
I'm gonna put the model,
wrap her up,"
454
00:24:28,967 --> 00:24:31,535
and he just cut this dress,
put a zip in it,
455
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:33,170
and suddenly,
that went down the runway.
456
00:24:33,772 --> 00:24:36,907
[Chai-Hyde] Getting a tire
and running it over the suit.
457
00:24:36,942 --> 00:24:38,575
[laughing]
458
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:39,944
Just things like that.
Just genius.
459
00:24:40,612 --> 00:24:44,248
Four pounds worth of lace.
Invisible zip-- one pound.
460
00:24:44,283 --> 00:24:46,283
Sprayed with car spray paint.
461
00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:49,286
Probably cost less than ten
pounds, those dresses to make.
462
00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:53,223
But through that weird alchemy
of being cut and made by Lee,
463
00:24:53,258 --> 00:24:55,726
suddenly,
they're being requested.
464
00:24:55,761 --> 00:24:58,629
Avedon wanted to have
this dress for Sharon Stone.
465
00:24:58,664 --> 00:25:00,731
So it has to be in America now.
466
00:25:00,766 --> 00:25:03,600
Need someone to fly over
with the dress on Concorde.
467
00:25:03,635 --> 00:25:07,037
That still upsets me
to this day. I didn't get
to go on Concorde.
468
00:25:09,308 --> 00:25:10,274
It was me.
469
00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:12,709
[Detmar] That's almost
the period
470
00:25:12,744 --> 00:25:15,646
where I think
the madness really kicked in.
471
00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:18,315
[McQueen] The show was
brilliant, but I'll wake up
tomorrow morning,
472
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:19,816
think, "I've got to get
a bottle of milk.
473
00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:21,785
Where am I going
to get 42p from?"
474
00:25:22,254 --> 00:25:23,954
[Groves] So we went
to a McDonald's,
475
00:25:23,989 --> 00:25:26,624
got two cheeseburgers,
two fries, two Cokes,
476
00:25:26,858 --> 00:25:28,959
and I was that tired
that I just dropped the tray,
477
00:25:28,994 --> 00:25:31,929
and then we were having to
pick the food up off the floor.
478
00:25:31,964 --> 00:25:33,997
And I thought,
"This is a weird world
479
00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:36,700
that you've shown the
finale of London Fashion Week,
480
00:25:36,735 --> 00:25:38,335
but we haven't got
five quid to eat."
481
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:39,703
[McQueen] That's how it is.
482
00:25:39,738 --> 00:25:41,204
People don't understand that.
483
00:25:41,239 --> 00:25:43,874
You do fucking fab shows,
but got to start living.
484
00:25:44,209 --> 00:25:46,143
[Groves] The Clothes Show,
BBC One.
485
00:25:46,178 --> 00:25:49,580
At the time, 12 million
viewers. You're 22 years old.
486
00:25:49,615 --> 00:25:51,282
You're not in any of
the shots being interviewed,
487
00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:55,085
and you're dictating the terms
on how you're going to appear.
488
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:56,853
[McQueen] Because
I was doing the shows
489
00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:59,189
on money that I got
from unemployment benefit,
490
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:01,825
I could not afford
to show my face on camera,
491
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:05,195
because I would be arrested for
working as well as signing on.
492
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:07,197
-Did it piss you off?
-[reporter] No...
493
00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:08,999
It should have done.
That was the idea.
494
00:26:09,201 --> 00:26:11,602
[McQueen] I really
worked that East End yob,
495
00:26:11,637 --> 00:26:14,104
this juxtaposition
between a hooligan
496
00:26:14,139 --> 00:26:18,108
and someone that uses a needle,
and people couldn't fathom it.
497
00:26:18,143 --> 00:26:20,611
That's how it was new.
It was a breath of fresh air.
498
00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:23,847
Savile Row, Cockney geezer,
ding-dong, all of that.
499
00:26:23,882 --> 00:26:26,216
He was aware how
seductive that was.
500
00:26:26,718 --> 00:26:28,752
I get a bit annoyed
when I read that.
501
00:26:28,987 --> 00:26:30,320
[McQueen] Oi!
502
00:26:30,355 --> 00:26:32,322
[Joyce] He was far
from a bad boy.
503
00:26:32,357 --> 00:26:38,262
In fact, he was a very loving,
happy child and very generous.
504
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:40,064
[woman] Beautiful face, huh?
505
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:45,736
[Groves]
I just remember this one time
when I went round his house.
506
00:26:45,771 --> 00:26:48,805
I think I'd said
something was shit or something
in front of his mum,
507
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,741
and he just turned round,
glared at me and said,
508
00:26:50,776 --> 00:26:53,877
"Don't you fucking swear
in front of my fucking mother."
509
00:26:53,912 --> 00:26:57,114
[Joyce] We were never
what people called poor.
510
00:26:57,149 --> 00:26:59,349
My husband was a
London taxi driver,
511
00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:01,652
so even though
there was six children,
512
00:27:01,687 --> 00:27:04,287
they all had everything
that they should have had.
513
00:27:04,322 --> 00:27:06,390
I don't know. It just seems...
514
00:27:08,193 --> 00:27:09,826
like honest.
515
00:27:09,861 --> 00:27:11,695
An honest place round here.
516
00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:14,731
You know where you stand,
if you know what I mean.
517
00:27:14,766 --> 00:27:17,901
If someone's gonna mug you,
they tell you before they do it.
518
00:27:17,936 --> 00:27:20,204
I'm only joking. [laughing]
519
00:27:20,906 --> 00:27:23,173
[man] From our granddads,
he got the sense of humor,
520
00:27:23,208 --> 00:27:25,209
which was, at times, wicked.
521
00:27:28,413 --> 00:27:30,747
[laughing]
522
00:27:30,782 --> 00:27:32,916
[woman] I think
he struggled coming out
of that background
523
00:27:32,951 --> 00:27:34,785
and going into the world.
524
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,787
That was the choice I made
to come out to my father.
525
00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:38,789
I told all my brothers
and sisters and aunts,
526
00:27:38,824 --> 00:27:41,091
but my father was
a London taxi driver.
527
00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:43,026
He would come home
at night and say,
528
00:27:43,061 --> 00:27:45,328
"God, I nearly run over
a bloody queer last night
in Soho,"
529
00:27:45,363 --> 00:27:46,997
and I'd have to deal with this.
530
00:27:47,032 --> 00:27:49,299
My dad could be
a bit cutting sometimes,
531
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:51,234
but he was joking,
532
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:53,070
and if you didn't know him,
533
00:27:53,105 --> 00:27:55,239
you'd probably take that
the wrong way.
534
00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:59,443
[Chai-Hyde] Lee's father
is saying, "Sell your clothes
in Brick Lane,"
535
00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:02,813
and never quite understanding
what Lee was doing.
536
00:28:03,148 --> 00:28:06,349
[McQueen] My dad wanted me to be
some sort of mechanic
or something,
537
00:28:06,384 --> 00:28:08,952
but it never
worked out that way.
538
00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:10,754
[interviewer laughs]
539
00:28:11,056 --> 00:28:13,824
[man] From our nan,
he got that storytelling,
540
00:28:14,092 --> 00:28:16,393
that dark romance
of the Victorian times.
541
00:28:16,428 --> 00:28:18,295
I think that really
lent itself
542
00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:22,733
to his visions of the
stories that he wanted to tell.
543
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:24,968
[indistinct chatter]
544
00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:28,005
[man] It's not that...
545
00:28:28,273 --> 00:28:29,773
It makes it smell.
546
00:28:29,975 --> 00:28:32,109
-[McQueen] Come here.
-No, I'm too ugly.
547
00:28:33,011 --> 00:28:35,145
[McQueen] You broke the camera!
Yeah, I know.
548
00:28:35,514 --> 00:28:39,149
[Groves] She was
very strong and powerful
549
00:28:39,184 --> 00:28:42,953
and quite a lot was unsaid,
but my God, you realized
550
00:28:42,988 --> 00:28:44,988
there was a really
strong bond between them.
551
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,092
[Smith] She made him feel
like he could do anything.
552
00:28:49,828 --> 00:28:54,498
I always encouraged them
to read and have lots of books,
553
00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:58,035
because I myself loved
history and things like that.
554
00:28:59,871 --> 00:29:02,239
That's one
about a Highland clan.
555
00:29:02,507 --> 00:29:06,143
[woman] She was looking to
genealogy of the McQueen family
556
00:29:06,178 --> 00:29:09,913
and aimed at proving
that the McQueens
557
00:29:09,948 --> 00:29:12,182
came from McQueens
of the Isle of Skye.
558
00:29:12,217 --> 00:29:14,084
[Gary] It opened up his world.
559
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:15,519
He was born in Stratford,
560
00:29:15,554 --> 00:29:17,988
but he knew there was
this other life for him,
561
00:29:18,023 --> 00:29:19,323
which come from Scotland.
562
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:22,793
[Smith] She encouraged
the sort of fantasy
and excitement
563
00:29:22,828 --> 00:29:25,362
of those stories,
and Lee went with it.
564
00:29:27,265 --> 00:29:31,334
[McQueen] You have two types of
Scotland people will associate
themselves with,
565
00:29:31,369 --> 00:29:33,436
the Vivienne Westwood
romantic Scotland,
566
00:29:33,471 --> 00:29:35,139
swathes of tartan silk.
567
00:29:36,208 --> 00:29:39,442
My ancestry is
the Jacobites of Scotland,
568
00:29:39,477 --> 00:29:42,379
the war of the English
and the Scottish,
569
00:29:42,414 --> 00:29:46,817
where the English raped
loads of women,
killed clans completely off,
570
00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:49,419
and it's like a form
of genocide, it was then.
571
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,421
And people don't realize this.
572
00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:54,157
I mean, take Bosnia. How
many dead people have you seen?
573
00:29:54,192 --> 00:29:56,159
There's millions of
dead people in Bosnia.
574
00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:59,062
It's just genocide in the end,
and people have got to realize
575
00:29:59,097 --> 00:30:00,898
that it still goes
on in the world today.
576
00:30:03,134 --> 00:30:05,502
[tearing sound]
577
00:30:11,042 --> 00:30:13,143
[woman] Something
different about him.
578
00:30:13,178 --> 00:30:15,946
He had this
artistic energy in him
579
00:30:15,981 --> 00:30:18,982
rather than like
a fashion designer.
580
00:30:21,086 --> 00:30:24,221
I rang his mother and say,
"I want to work for your son."
581
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:29,860
She gave me the address,
and I went one morning,
582
00:30:29,895 --> 00:30:33,096
and ever since,
we were working every day
583
00:30:33,131 --> 00:30:35,265
on the Highland Rape collection,
584
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,835
trying to get the pieces ready.
585
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:42,038
[Chai-Hyde] There were times
when he hadn't yet started
working on the collection,
586
00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:45,876
and it was due soon,
and he would do one drawing
after another
587
00:30:45,911 --> 00:30:49,913
after another, after another
after another, and there was a
collection in one evening.
588
00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:52,549
Very quick, very fluid.
589
00:30:53,118 --> 00:30:55,485
[Danan] He was also
very creative at night.
590
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,088
His adrenaline
was much more alive,
591
00:30:58,123 --> 00:31:00,557
and we usually
used to put music.
592
00:31:01,526 --> 00:31:05,162
[Chai-Hyde] He would listen
to
The Piano,
and it became very important.
593
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:09,132
The composer Michael Nyman
became part of his team.
594
00:31:10,201 --> 00:31:13,036
I was just enjoying myself
to watch him,
595
00:31:13,071 --> 00:31:15,372
because he was
sitting like an old lady,
596
00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:18,642
his needle and his thimble.
597
00:31:18,677 --> 00:31:20,510
You can feel like he's--
598
00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:23,547
it's kind of a therapeutic work
for him.
599
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,950
[Smith] He went
into a sort of zone,
600
00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:29,019
and I always used to
say his eyes went black,
601
00:31:29,054 --> 00:31:31,254
because he suddenly was
focusing on what he was doing,
602
00:31:31,289 --> 00:31:33,657
and he almost
couldn't hear anybody else.
603
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,627
[Groves] He could
draft a jacket freehand
604
00:31:37,662 --> 00:31:41,298
just with a piece of chalk,
so he wasn't using measurements.
605
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:44,334
He could just, from his eye,
read someone's body measurements
606
00:31:44,369 --> 00:31:47,137
and be able to draw
that out onto a bit of cloth.
607
00:31:48,106 --> 00:31:50,040
At heart, Lee was a romantic,
608
00:31:50,075 --> 00:31:53,043
and that romantic is because
of that physical relationship
609
00:31:53,078 --> 00:31:54,945
to what you produce,
610
00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:57,347
which then comes back to
that idea of craft, in a way.
611
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:05,121
[Gary] The family would
always get invites to the shows.
612
00:32:05,156 --> 00:32:06,723
Yeah, it was very important
my nan was there.
613
00:32:06,758 --> 00:32:09,492
He really wanted
to make my nan proud.
614
00:32:09,527 --> 00:32:11,127
[Janet] Aunt Renee and Mum
615
00:32:11,162 --> 00:32:14,431
made sure that the models
had some sandwiches.
616
00:32:14,466 --> 00:32:16,733
Mum would have
probably done her sausage rolls.
617
00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:18,535
[woman] We were all really,
618
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,504
as a group of young,
really cool English models,
619
00:32:21,539 --> 00:32:26,243
so excited to see this
man that had this reputation.
620
00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:30,347
[Janet] I was amazed at
all these people, photographers,
621
00:32:30,382 --> 00:32:34,684
and I thought, "My God,
they're all here to see Lee."
622
00:32:34,719 --> 00:32:36,720
I hope they're not disappointed,
623
00:32:36,755 --> 00:32:41,224
because I thought,
"This is just Lee
from Stratford."
624
00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:43,327
[dramatic music playing]
625
00:32:55,173 --> 00:32:56,740
The darkness,
626
00:32:57,142 --> 00:33:01,177
the going to the depths
and the recesses of one's mind
627
00:33:01,212 --> 00:33:04,714
to come up with such
things like Highland Rape.
628
00:33:04,749 --> 00:33:06,750
I'm going to send them down,
loads of girls,
629
00:33:06,785 --> 00:33:08,752
like they've look like
they've just been raped.
630
00:33:09,788 --> 00:33:12,055
But then we
were all looking like
631
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:14,324
we'd come out of
a hedge backwards,
632
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,293
and I was going,
"Is this the hair and makeup?"
633
00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:23,299
[Groves] They're not
easy garments to look at.
634
00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:26,336
They do look like
something from a crime scene.
635
00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:39,049
[Kidd] I honestly just thought
that he really didn't
like women,
636
00:33:39,084 --> 00:33:41,684
he didn't like the models,
he didn't like anything.
637
00:33:41,719 --> 00:33:43,720
He was just trying
to torture us all.
638
00:33:43,755 --> 00:33:45,555
But his vision,
639
00:33:46,157 --> 00:33:48,625
when you actually
came down and the silhouette
640
00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:52,195
and the way he made you
look was so extraordinary.
641
00:33:53,565 --> 00:33:57,100
I don't think
I really understood,
because... 15 at the time,
642
00:33:57,135 --> 00:34:00,504
exactly what was going on
or the connotations of it.
643
00:34:01,239 --> 00:34:04,707
It wasn't until probably
the next day that I read
the newspapers
644
00:34:04,742 --> 00:34:09,279
and there was quite a backlash
of the statement of the show.
645
00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:11,448
I mean, it was pretty intense.
646
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:14,284
But he made
every single headline,
647
00:34:14,319 --> 00:34:18,555
and that's what he wanted to do,
and he sure got it.
648
00:34:19,224 --> 00:34:21,257
[female reporter]
Judith Church,
MP for Dagenham,
649
00:34:21,292 --> 00:34:23,460
thought there was no excuse
for such a show.
650
00:34:23,761 --> 00:34:26,529
[woman]
The very title
of the show, Highland Rape,
651
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:29,432
has been done to shock people.
It's been done to attract
publicity.
652
00:34:29,467 --> 00:34:32,235
It has succeeded,
and that, in a way, is sad,
653
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:34,104
because I think women
want to look at fashion,
654
00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:35,772
but they don't want
to see it
655
00:34:35,807 --> 00:34:38,108
in some way as portraying
them as a victim.
656
00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:43,246
[McQueen] I'm not misogynist,
but the idea was saying
to the public,
657
00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:46,249
"A man takes from a woman.
The woman's not giving it."
658
00:34:46,284 --> 00:34:48,118
And that's what rape is.
659
00:34:48,153 --> 00:34:51,154
My oldest sister was
badly beaten up by her husband.
660
00:34:51,189 --> 00:34:52,322
When you're eight years old
661
00:34:52,357 --> 00:34:53,423
and you're seeing your sister
662
00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:54,524
strangled by her husband,
663
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:56,226
who's now dead, thank God,
664
00:34:56,828 --> 00:34:59,830
you know, all you wanna do
is make women look stronger.
665
00:35:01,299 --> 00:35:03,867
[Groves] You might not like
the honesty he was presenting
you with,
666
00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:08,771
you might find it distasteful,
shocking or aggressive or
misogynistic,
667
00:35:08,806 --> 00:35:10,674
but for him, it was his truth.
668
00:35:11,276 --> 00:35:13,610
Those garments
all tell you about Lee,
669
00:35:13,645 --> 00:35:15,712
and they're almost,
like, confessional.
670
00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:18,682
They do relate to things
that happened in his childhood.
671
00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:22,285
We were just in our flat.
672
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,786
It was literally in
the middle of the evening.
673
00:35:23,821 --> 00:35:25,688
and he said, "By the way,
674
00:35:25,723 --> 00:35:29,159
I was abused when I was
a child by my brother-in-law."
675
00:35:29,194 --> 00:35:32,729
It just came out,
and he started crying,
676
00:35:32,764 --> 00:35:34,697
and we started talking,
677
00:35:34,732 --> 00:35:38,401
then almost as soon as he'd
started telling me all about,
678
00:35:38,436 --> 00:35:40,370
he said, "I don't want
to talk about that anymore."
679
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,907
[Gary] The stuff that he saw,
the violence against my mum,
680
00:35:43,942 --> 00:35:45,508
the abuse he suffered by my dad
681
00:35:45,543 --> 00:35:48,478
and the abuse my mum
suffered by dad,
682
00:35:48,513 --> 00:35:51,915
they had that affinity together,
they shared that,
Lee and my mum.
683
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:55,585
They were both affected
by the same person,
684
00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:59,556
and they had that connection
through that.
685
00:36:00,758 --> 00:36:03,827
And Lee saw my mum
very much like a mother figure
686
00:36:04,529 --> 00:36:08,531
and somebody
that he wanted to protect,
687
00:36:08,566 --> 00:36:10,500
but my mum wanted
to protect him as well.
688
00:36:12,237 --> 00:36:13,570
I had some--
689
00:36:13,605 --> 00:36:16,573
quite a big
burden on my shoulders...
690
00:36:16,874 --> 00:36:17,774
um...
691
00:36:20,378 --> 00:36:24,481
but I'd always felt
close to Lee, and...
692
00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:28,318
in the early years,
693
00:36:28,353 --> 00:36:32,355
Lee had seen things
like domestic violence, and...
694
00:36:34,892 --> 00:36:39,496
at the time, it must have
also had an effect on his mind.
695
00:36:41,366 --> 00:36:43,333
[Gary] That stuff
he had to get out.
696
00:36:43,368 --> 00:36:45,401
I think it was a way
of exorcising his demons,
697
00:36:45,436 --> 00:36:47,503
a way of protecting women
and himself
698
00:36:47,538 --> 00:36:49,539
by creating these strong women
699
00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:51,708
who looked like
they had armor on.
700
00:36:51,743 --> 00:36:54,277
It was armor for
his heart as well, so...
701
00:36:56,547 --> 00:36:58,348
[Groves] The relationship
between me and Lee,
702
00:36:58,383 --> 00:37:00,583
I joked that
it was four seasons long,
703
00:37:00,618 --> 00:37:02,719
purely because I think
those collections
704
00:37:02,754 --> 00:37:06,990
and those shows became markers
in terms of how our work life
705
00:37:07,025 --> 00:37:09,726
was also tied up
with our relationship.
706
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:13,463
And looking back on it now,
I can see the reasons
why it would be--
707
00:37:13,498 --> 00:37:15,265
how could a relationship work
708
00:37:15,833 --> 00:37:19,035
with all the things
that were going on in his life,
709
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,238
all the things in his past?
710
00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:25,408
I can't think of any
relationship that would be able
to deal with that.
711
00:37:27,412 --> 00:37:28,678
[dramatic music playing]
712
00:37:48,499 --> 00:37:50,433
[camera flash fires]
713
00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:55,438
When you went to St. Martins,
in the first year,
you go to Paris,
714
00:37:55,473 --> 00:37:58,908
and the idea is that you're
meant to go to exhibitions.
715
00:37:59,410 --> 00:38:03,780
But we just spent all of our
time wangling our way into
various shows.
716
00:38:03,815 --> 00:38:06,949
So we went to this show,
and it was all very floral,
717
00:38:06,984 --> 00:38:09,419
and there was chiffon,
and Lee was going,
718
00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:11,854
"That's rubbish.
That's rubbish. Oh, my God.
719
00:38:11,889 --> 00:38:14,424
No, this is the worst
show ever. Bloody hell.
720
00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:18,428
Givenchy, that's a load of crap.
That's for, like, old ladies.
721
00:38:18,696 --> 00:38:22,399
I never, ever want to
work somewhere like that."
722
00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:25,602
[in French]
723
00:38:33,745 --> 00:38:36,913
It was a really exciting time
to be covering the industry...
724
00:38:36,948 --> 00:38:39,115
because it was changing,
it was evolving.
725
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:42,585
People like Bernard Arnault were
buying up small family brands
726
00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:45,088
and then turning them
into global corporations.
727
00:38:45,123 --> 00:38:47,023
At first, he brought in
John Galliano,
728
00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:49,759
and after two years,
moved John over to Dior
729
00:38:49,794 --> 00:38:54,097
and then needed another new,
young, hot flavor for Givenchy.
730
00:38:54,132 --> 00:38:56,399
[man] And so he said...
Why did he want you?
731
00:38:56,434 --> 00:38:59,435
He said when I was
hired that I was his horse.
732
00:38:59,470 --> 00:39:00,903
[man] Yeah.
733
00:39:00,938 --> 00:39:02,605
I don't know if that's
in looks or what, but...
734
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,407
[both laugh]
735
00:39:04,442 --> 00:39:06,442
But he said I was
his horse he betted on.
736
00:39:06,477 --> 00:39:09,812
I was living with
Lee when Givenchy called,
737
00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:13,716
and he thought they wanted him
to design a handbag.
738
00:39:13,751 --> 00:39:17,787
And I'm like,
"Wow. Cool, man." You know?
739
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:20,457
Next thing I know, um...
740
00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:23,626
he comes in,
and he basically says that
741
00:39:23,661 --> 00:39:26,796
they've asked him to be
creative director of Givenchy.
742
00:39:26,831 --> 00:39:29,832
And I was like,
"You are kidding me."
743
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:33,903
He called me at work,
and then he said,
"They've offered me this job.
744
00:39:33,938 --> 00:39:36,072
Now if I move to Paris,
will you come with me?"
745
00:39:36,107 --> 00:39:37,507
And I was like,
"Yeah, of course."
746
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:38,775
It was so exciting
747
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:41,811
and also quite scary
as well
748
00:39:41,846 --> 00:39:44,881
because it was still
the honeymoon period
of our relationship.
749
00:39:45,149 --> 00:39:49,085
[man] Why did you go to
Givenchy, having already created
your own name,
750
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,789
having won British Designer
of the Year twice in a row?
751
00:39:52,824 --> 00:39:54,791
[McQueen] For one reason,
the money was good.
752
00:39:55,526 --> 00:39:57,460
But then, what I do
with the money from Givenchy,
753
00:39:57,495 --> 00:39:59,729
I put it straight back
into McQueen,
754
00:39:59,764 --> 00:40:02,632
and it helps me employ people
for McQueen to build
my own company up.
755
00:40:03,935 --> 00:40:06,569
[Chai-Hyde] Very talented people
that he brought with him to
Givenchy.
756
00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:08,471
What a team, man.
757
00:40:08,506 --> 00:40:11,441
[man] He told me, "I will
need a team to work with me,
758
00:40:11,476 --> 00:40:13,610
so I was thinking of you...
759
00:40:14,111 --> 00:40:16,846
so think about it
and let me know."
760
00:40:16,881 --> 00:40:19,749
There's nothing to think about.
Of course I take the job.
[scoffs]
761
00:40:21,185 --> 00:40:24,754
We took an
airplane from City Airport.
762
00:40:24,789 --> 00:40:27,523
We were the weirdest people
in the plane.
763
00:40:27,558 --> 00:40:29,058
It was all, like, businessmen,
764
00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:32,195
and we were there
with our bleached jeans
765
00:40:32,697 --> 00:40:34,063
with a lot of attitude.
766
00:40:35,733 --> 00:40:37,099
[McQueen] Where did you buy
this, in Japan?
767
00:40:37,134 --> 00:40:38,635
[indistinct chatter]
768
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:40,036
Really?
769
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,840
[indistinct chatter]
770
00:40:45,543 --> 00:40:46,543
[in French] Paris...
771
00:40:46,844 --> 00:40:48,177
-[laughing]
-Woo!
772
00:40:48,212 --> 00:40:49,779
[Murray] There was huge
excitement
773
00:40:49,814 --> 00:40:51,481
because imagine
when you're that age
774
00:40:51,516 --> 00:40:53,216
and you're being given
that amount of this,
775
00:40:53,251 --> 00:40:55,952
one, responsibility
and also that amount of money.
776
00:40:57,221 --> 00:40:58,121
[McQueen] Statue.
777
00:41:00,091 --> 00:41:01,591
[Murray] There's Sebastian Pons.
778
00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:03,493
[McQueen] Hello, Sebastian.
779
00:41:03,828 --> 00:41:07,230
Sweaty armpits.
God, you got wet patches.
780
00:41:07,265 --> 00:41:08,965
I think that in
the McQueen studio,
781
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,666
I was a little bit like
the buffoon
782
00:41:10,701 --> 00:41:12,268
'cause I was
the funny one there.
783
00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:14,804
They were taking
the piss of my accent.
784
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,207
Spanish buffoon
in a British coat.
785
00:41:18,743 --> 00:41:20,676
Simon Costin.
786
00:41:20,711 --> 00:41:22,846
[McQueen] God, you're looking
kind of gross today, Simon.
787
00:41:23,681 --> 00:41:27,183
I saw myself as the person
that put things into context.
788
00:41:27,218 --> 00:41:29,819
The set was
always there to reflect
789
00:41:29,854 --> 00:41:32,789
the sort of untold story
of the collection.
790
00:41:34,091 --> 00:41:36,125
There was Katy,
of course, Katy England.
791
00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:39,262
[McQueen] Katy's
the most important part
of McQueen.
792
00:41:40,097 --> 00:41:41,831
Camera up, please.
793
00:41:41,866 --> 00:41:43,933
She's the Tweedledee
to my Tweedledum.
794
00:41:43,968 --> 00:41:45,935
She fuels my imagination.
795
00:41:46,971 --> 00:41:49,072
I help research the collection.
796
00:41:49,307 --> 00:41:53,576
I bring things to his attention
797
00:41:53,778 --> 00:41:56,012
that I think might
be important in fashion.
798
00:41:56,047 --> 00:41:59,148
Basically, I'm always there
at the right-hand side.
799
00:41:59,183 --> 00:42:02,619
Shaun Leane was very much
involved in the business making
jewelry.
800
00:42:03,054 --> 00:42:05,822
What do you think?
Fancy a dance?
801
00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:08,791
[Leane] For me to do work
like this is very good for me.
802
00:42:08,826 --> 00:42:11,727
It allows me to go
from one extreme to the other,
803
00:42:11,762 --> 00:42:14,630
and now I'm going
into different areas.
I'm working with body jewelry,
804
00:42:14,665 --> 00:42:17,267
and it's really going into
a form of sculpture, really.
805
00:42:18,736 --> 00:42:22,038
Sarah Burton.
Sarah was the intern.
806
00:42:22,073 --> 00:42:26,108
He looked at us
like the sort of pillars
807
00:42:26,143 --> 00:42:28,678
that will make him feel secure.
808
00:42:30,715 --> 00:42:32,181
[Murray] We had
this really nice flat.
809
00:42:37,288 --> 00:42:40,557
I loved the area.
Place des Vosges. I mean, hello.
810
00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:43,993
[McQueen] God,
that's pretty scary.
811
00:42:45,262 --> 00:42:47,263
[Costin] Thinking about it now,
it was tiny.
812
00:42:47,798 --> 00:42:49,832
When I would come over
to start working on the set,
813
00:42:49,867 --> 00:42:51,167
I'd be on the sofa.
814
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,206
[McQueen shouts]
815
00:42:57,775 --> 00:42:59,142
[McQueen] Sebastian.
816
00:43:00,111 --> 00:43:01,611
[shrieks] Ooh, language!
817
00:43:01,812 --> 00:43:03,245
[laughing]
818
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,048
I always ended up
sleeping in Lee's room
819
00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:09,685
because Lee was
always collapsing on the sofa.
820
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:10,820
[Sebastian] Lee.
821
00:43:12,023 --> 00:43:14,857
-You changed the pillow.
-[McQueen] Yeah, fucking right.
822
00:43:14,892 --> 00:43:16,726
[laughing]
823
00:43:18,062 --> 00:43:20,330
We had a driver,
so we got driven everywhere.
824
00:43:20,798 --> 00:43:22,832
[McQueen] Wait a minute.
He gone blind today.
825
00:43:24,301 --> 00:43:26,168
Say hello
to the people of England.
826
00:43:26,203 --> 00:43:28,104
[laughter]
827
00:43:28,372 --> 00:43:29,639
Such fun.
828
00:43:31,042 --> 00:43:33,042
Could do some funny tricks,
sort of.
829
00:43:33,978 --> 00:43:36,613
Oh, I'm on speed, baby.
830
00:43:36,981 --> 00:43:38,915
[laughing]
831
00:43:40,685 --> 00:43:42,385
[Sebastian] When we arrive
at Givenchy,
832
00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:47,089
everybody was kind of
like bending their head to him
833
00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:50,059
and calling him
Monsieur McQueen,
834
00:43:50,094 --> 00:43:53,363
which was, "They calling you
Monsieur McQueen here?
835
00:43:57,468 --> 00:44:00,269
[McQueen calls and laughs]
836
00:44:00,905 --> 00:44:03,372
[Sebastian] When we arrived,
I think they were in shock,
837
00:44:03,407 --> 00:44:06,142
the way we dress,
the way we work,
838
00:44:06,177 --> 00:44:08,378
and the jokes we made.
839
00:44:09,046 --> 00:44:11,313
[Costin] It was very grand.
There's chandeliers.
840
00:44:11,348 --> 00:44:13,849
It was different from the
working environment in London,
841
00:44:13,884 --> 00:44:16,185
which was a kind of
very, very small room
842
00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:18,120
with chaotic stuff everywhere.
843
00:44:18,155 --> 00:44:20,089
[McQueen]
Here I have my own office.
844
00:44:20,291 --> 00:44:23,092
I pick up the phone,
and I get what I want.
845
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,330
[chuckles] 'Cause I want it,
I want it, I want it...
so I ask for it.
846
00:44:27,898 --> 00:44:31,134
[Murray] It was just like
a bunch of young kids running
about in the Givenchy.
847
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,303
[man] Were they
surprised that you were chosen?
848
00:44:34,772 --> 00:44:37,173
I think they-- would
put most people in a coma.
849
00:44:37,208 --> 00:44:39,342
[laughter]
850
00:44:41,145 --> 00:44:46,048
[Pons] All of a sudden,
we're there sitting
in the Givenchy House
851
00:44:46,083 --> 00:44:47,783
looking out the window,
852
00:44:47,818 --> 00:44:49,985
and you see the Balenciaga sign
853
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,154
and you knew that
Yves Saint Laurent was there
854
00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:55,491
and knowing that John Galliano
was there, Avenue Montaigne,
855
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:57,293
just a few yards from there.
856
00:44:57,328 --> 00:45:00,196
And there we are
with Alexander McQueen
857
00:45:00,231 --> 00:45:02,865
being the new talk of the town.
858
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,001
And that felt special.
859
00:45:06,303 --> 00:45:08,304
[Murray] He was trying
to find his feet there.
860
00:45:08,339 --> 00:45:10,406
Obviously had to make
a huge impression
861
00:45:10,441 --> 00:45:12,141
because it was
his first collection.
862
00:45:13,177 --> 00:45:14,977
[Pons] And I remember
telling Lee,
863
00:45:15,012 --> 00:45:17,313
"Everybody's looking at us,
and we have nothing."
864
00:45:17,348 --> 00:45:19,115
And he always would answer,
865
00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:21,084
"Don't worry, Sebastian.
We'll get it done."
866
00:45:37,168 --> 00:45:38,768
[McQueen] This is Paris
and Paris chic.
867
00:45:38,803 --> 00:45:41,036
This is Givenchy.
This is not McQueen.
868
00:45:41,071 --> 00:45:45,040
This is where elegant suits
are made and fantastic fabrics
are used.
869
00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:47,977
It's going to take my own label,
McQueen,
870
00:45:48,012 --> 00:45:50,813
another 40 years to get
the reputation this one has.
871
00:45:51,182 --> 00:45:54,550
[Pons] I remember once
we saw this beautiful work.
872
00:45:54,585 --> 00:45:59,054
Lee asked Catherine De Londres,
was the charge of atelier,
873
00:45:59,089 --> 00:46:01,323
"Who's done this fabulous work?"
874
00:46:01,358 --> 00:46:03,459
"She's not allowed to come in."
875
00:46:03,494 --> 00:46:05,528
He's like, "What do you mean
she's not allowed to come in?
876
00:46:05,563 --> 00:46:07,063
Please let her in."
877
00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:12,135
I remember from that day on,
Lee wanted to see the person
878
00:46:12,336 --> 00:46:14,904
who has worked
directly with the garment,
879
00:46:15,573 --> 00:46:17,940
and I think they loved that.
880
00:46:18,375 --> 00:46:20,243
[McQueen] This is
the Bet Lynch dress.
881
00:46:21,545 --> 00:46:23,212
I also treated it,
882
00:46:23,247 --> 00:46:26,983
bonding plastic over
the top for raincoats,
883
00:46:27,251 --> 00:46:29,185
so you get the whole ensemble.
884
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:30,920
None of us spoke French,
885
00:46:31,155 --> 00:46:34,356
and the French atelier
didn't speak English.
886
00:46:34,391 --> 00:46:36,325
Lee would actually
kind of like draw in the air
887
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,027
how it would have to be.
888
00:46:38,062 --> 00:46:42,164
-Mais la jupe?
-Yeah. It's okay.
889
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,900
-La jupe--
-Oh, jupe. It's okay.
890
00:46:44,935 --> 00:46:47,170
-I think she--
-I thought it was
pantalon.
891
00:46:48,939 --> 00:46:51,407
[De Londres in French]
892
00:47:07,424 --> 00:47:08,457
[chuckles]
893
00:47:10,094 --> 00:47:13,462
They're quite precise,
and, like, take the threads out,
894
00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:16,365
and I just get the scissors
and go whack it off
895
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,467
and they go... [silent]
896
00:47:18,502 --> 00:47:21,537
...like that, and I go,
"It's okay. It's only clothes."
897
00:47:22,106 --> 00:47:24,373
[Chai-Hyde] I'll never forget
the expression on her face,
898
00:47:24,575 --> 00:47:27,376
but in the end, she saw
exactly what he was doing.
899
00:47:27,411 --> 00:47:29,245
She was in awe.
900
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,082
A very mutual respect
grew between the two of them.
901
00:47:33,117 --> 00:47:34,950
[McQueen] Haute couture
is about the atelier.
902
00:47:34,985 --> 00:47:36,919
I come from Savile Row,
903
00:47:36,954 --> 00:47:38,954
so I have great respect
for the tailors.
904
00:47:38,989 --> 00:47:41,290
They deserve
just as much praise as I do.
905
00:47:42,526 --> 00:47:44,360
[Pons] Lee, one day he said,
906
00:47:44,395 --> 00:47:46,662
"Where can we go and eat?
Where do the workers eat?"
907
00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:48,597
And then Catherine said,
908
00:47:48,632 --> 00:47:51,667
"No, there is a canteen on
the basement for the workers."
909
00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:54,003
And Lee was like,
"So let's go there."
910
00:47:54,038 --> 00:47:57,907
When we went down there, the
people, they're flipping out,
911
00:47:57,942 --> 00:48:00,343
like,
"Alexander is eating with us."
912
00:48:01,011 --> 00:48:02,378
They couldn't believe it.
913
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:04,079
These fashion houses,
914
00:48:04,114 --> 00:48:06,983
they treat the designer
like he's a king,
915
00:48:07,217 --> 00:48:09,151
and they treated
Lee like a king,
916
00:48:09,186 --> 00:48:11,253
but Lee didn't want
to behave like a king.
917
00:48:11,288 --> 00:48:14,090
Lee wanted to behave
like a regular person.
918
00:48:18,162 --> 00:48:19,195
Okay.
919
00:48:20,331 --> 00:48:22,598
The ideas for the show,
they grew out of the collection.
920
00:48:22,633 --> 00:48:24,466
As the collection developed,
921
00:48:24,501 --> 00:48:27,503
he would pull threads
and stories out of that.
922
00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:31,307
And there was always mood boards
and things pinned
all over the walls.
923
00:48:31,342 --> 00:48:34,310
Everyone fed in.
It was a very group practice,
924
00:48:34,345 --> 00:48:37,146
but Lee was the spider in the
center of the web, as it were,
925
00:48:37,181 --> 00:48:38,981
pulling everything together
926
00:48:39,016 --> 00:48:41,717
and distilling what it was
that he had in his head.
927
00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:44,486
I remember the fraughtness
about a week before the show
928
00:48:44,521 --> 00:48:46,388
when things
were coming down and not right,
929
00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:48,457
and things having to be changed.
930
00:48:48,492 --> 00:48:52,695
It was really insanely crazy.
The pressure was super-intense.
931
00:49:08,345 --> 00:49:13,983
[Pons] In 25 days, to put
a 55-outfit collection together
932
00:49:14,018 --> 00:49:15,584
is not an easy task.
933
00:49:18,522 --> 00:49:22,124
[Costin] The first couture show
had the theme
of the Golden Fleece.
934
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:23,659
Jason and the Argonauts.
935
00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:27,363
[Murray] They wanted it
to be amazing.
936
00:49:28,465 --> 00:49:31,667
My first feeling
from Alex's description
937
00:49:31,702 --> 00:49:35,371
was there had to be warriors
938
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,706
mixed with goddess.
939
00:49:37,741 --> 00:49:40,609
I say, "We do horns."
He say, "Yeah, but do big."
940
00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:42,311
I say, "But how big?"
941
00:49:42,346 --> 00:49:45,414
He say, "You know
Genghis Khan is the junior size.
942
00:49:45,449 --> 00:49:46,615
Give me the senior."
943
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:49,485
It's the 19th of January, 1997,
944
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,153
and as they say in the trade,
945
00:49:51,188 --> 00:49:53,422
we're about to witness
a fashion moment.
946
00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:55,524
At the tender age of 27,
947
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:58,594
British Designer of the Year,
Alexander McQueen,
948
00:49:58,629 --> 00:50:01,497
is about to show his
first haute couture collection.
949
00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:05,034
[dramatic music playing]
950
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,414
[Jurnjack] Every model
had to have a character,
951
00:50:18,449 --> 00:50:20,549
an identity, a signature.
952
00:50:21,418 --> 00:50:24,253
Every single girl could
have been shown on her own.
953
00:50:25,622 --> 00:50:28,624
Where's the inspiration
come from? He told me,
"From the logo."
954
00:50:29,393 --> 00:50:34,096
The logo is the Gs,
which it looks like Greek motif,
955
00:50:34,131 --> 00:50:36,665
and the Givenchy
label is white and gold.
956
00:50:38,302 --> 00:50:40,235
[woman] And always
with Lee's collections,
957
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:42,171
there were some pieces
where you were...
958
00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:44,273
"Oh! That's rather risqué."
959
00:50:45,342 --> 00:50:48,610
I think a lot of the press
focused on the ones
960
00:50:48,645 --> 00:50:52,715
that were a little bit crazy
or a little bit unwearable.
961
00:50:53,784 --> 00:50:56,251
French designers were
complaining and saying,
962
00:50:56,286 --> 00:50:58,287
"Oh, you know,
they're not even French,
963
00:50:58,322 --> 00:50:59,855
and they're taking over
Givenchy.
964
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:02,124
Look what he's doing
to Givenchy."
965
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:06,095
I think it was them saying,
"I'm still gonna be who I am.
966
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:09,465
Regardless that you put me
in this posh space,
I'm still who I am."
967
00:51:10,667 --> 00:51:13,302
I liked that, that they
stayed true to who they were.
968
00:51:13,337 --> 00:51:17,406
They actually brought
England into Paris
in their own unique way.
969
00:51:17,441 --> 00:51:19,341
[applause]
970
00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:22,678
[Pons] People were talking,
fashion editors.
971
00:51:22,713 --> 00:51:25,314
"He has a big mouth."
"He has a big head."
972
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:27,249
"The British,
what does he think?"
973
00:51:27,284 --> 00:51:28,717
And then I understood
974
00:51:28,752 --> 00:51:31,787
that basically
the world was against him.
975
00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:36,758
[man] You go to do
your first show,
it's not a huge success. No?
976
00:51:36,793 --> 00:51:39,795
-No, that's true. Well done.
-[both laugh]
977
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:44,199
They were wishing to see him
crash and be destroyed.
978
00:51:44,234 --> 00:51:46,201
They have claws,
and they have knives,
979
00:51:46,236 --> 00:51:48,704
and they've thrown everything
into your back, which is fine,
980
00:51:48,739 --> 00:51:51,140
-'cause I'm a good fighter...
-[both laugh]
981
00:51:51,542 --> 00:51:54,643
I remember us afterwards,
Lee was...
982
00:51:57,314 --> 00:51:59,915
Hellish, yeah.
That was a really hard night.
983
00:51:59,950 --> 00:52:01,784
It was a
difficult night after that.
984
00:52:02,886 --> 00:52:05,454
A few punches and arguments.
985
00:52:12,229 --> 00:52:14,163
[Isabella] I think
he's already done a lot
for the house,
986
00:52:14,198 --> 00:52:16,598
because Givenchy
have had a lot of press.
987
00:52:16,633 --> 00:52:20,402
It's a more difficult thing
to deal with 'cause McQueen
is McQueen in London.
988
00:52:20,437 --> 00:52:23,939
Givenchy is taking over
from another man in Paris.
989
00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:25,707
As Alexander says himself,
990
00:52:25,742 --> 00:52:27,543
"It's like taking
a dinosaur out of the sea,"
991
00:52:27,578 --> 00:52:31,213
and I think in one season,
he's done that.
992
00:52:31,248 --> 00:52:35,251
So I think in a year,
he will have done 20 times that.
993
00:52:36,420 --> 00:52:37,887
[Detmar] Givenchy
changed everything.
994
00:52:38,388 --> 00:52:39,855
The fun times were over.
995
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:42,191
I had an accountant
who spoke French,
996
00:52:42,226 --> 00:52:43,926
and I'm going to Paris
to sign the deal.
997
00:52:43,961 --> 00:52:47,363
And I said, "Please make sure
Issie gets something out of it."
998
00:52:47,598 --> 00:52:49,464
I kind of did ask McQueen,
and McQueen said,
999
00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:50,766
"Issie and I
are not about money."
1000
00:52:51,602 --> 00:52:54,803
When the money did come
and Alexander cut her out,
1001
00:52:55,439 --> 00:52:57,206
that was very tough.
1002
00:52:57,241 --> 00:53:00,309
The friendship changed.
She was so hurt, this rejection.
1003
00:53:00,344 --> 00:53:01,677
She'd have created a buzz.
1004
00:53:01,712 --> 00:53:03,812
She'd have had a salon
at Givenchy.
1005
00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:06,715
She'd have made it the most
happening place in Paris.
1006
00:53:09,686 --> 00:53:14,990
[Murray] I do remember going
to Hilles straight after
the takeover at Givenchy.
1007
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:16,892
[no audible dialog]
1008
00:53:16,927 --> 00:53:20,295
You can't imagine the tension
between the two of them
1009
00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:21,229
in this room.
1010
00:53:22,366 --> 00:53:25,367
These designers
think that you made me...
1011
00:53:26,303 --> 00:53:27,903
-[Isabella] No, they don't.
-It's never been about--
1012
00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:29,805
No, they don't.
They know that that--
1013
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,640
They do!
1014
00:53:31,675 --> 00:53:34,309
'Cause don't you see it
all the time in the press?
1015
00:53:34,344 --> 00:53:38,280
"Isabella Blow responsible
for Philip Treacy
and Alexander McQueen?"
1016
00:53:38,315 --> 00:53:40,516
-[Isabella] No. They say...
-They do just say that.
1017
00:53:41,285 --> 00:53:43,619
The thing is, it's never
been about that for me and you.
1018
00:53:43,887 --> 00:53:45,754
-Whether I was part of it--
-Does that annoy you
1019
00:53:45,789 --> 00:53:48,557
that they always put "as
discovered by Isabella Blow?"
1020
00:53:48,592 --> 00:53:50,359
Does it really piss you off?
1021
00:53:50,394 --> 00:53:53,028
Not at all because Issie
has helped me a lot in that way,
1022
00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:55,264
but not in a way
that she's all like,
1023
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:57,599
she does it
because she loves my clothes,
1024
00:53:57,634 --> 00:53:59,001
not because she loves me.
1025
00:53:59,036 --> 00:54:01,570
-Exactly. That's the point.
-Ah!
1026
00:54:01,772 --> 00:54:03,472
I can't stand her guts.
1027
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,709
-[laughter]
-I'm joking. [laughs]
1028
00:54:07,611 --> 00:54:10,912
[Murray] I do remember sitting
there, thinking to myself,
1029
00:54:10,947 --> 00:54:12,914
"Please lay off Issie,
1030
00:54:12,949 --> 00:54:14,850
because she's done
nothing but help you,
1031
00:54:14,885 --> 00:54:17,319
but you seem to be giving
her a really difficult time."
1032
00:54:18,322 --> 00:54:21,456
[Detmar] Issie, kingmaker, and
this is a man she championed,
1033
00:54:21,491 --> 00:54:24,026
and then he resented that
and wanted to be his own man,
1034
00:54:24,061 --> 00:54:27,363
so there was no position
for Isabella Blow at Givenchy.
1035
00:54:28,365 --> 00:54:29,298
Punishment.
1036
00:54:30,067 --> 00:54:32,834
And I remember
McQueen turned to me and said,
1037
00:54:32,869 --> 00:54:34,803
"I'm the tycoon now, Detmar,"
1038
00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:36,972
and it wasn't meant
affectionately.
1039
00:54:37,541 --> 00:54:39,074
We had a policy,
don't show hurt,
1040
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:41,610
don't show weakness,
keep your head up,
1041
00:54:41,645 --> 00:54:43,445
keep proud, keep fighting.
1042
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,514
Something will turn up.
It's got to.
1043
00:54:45,549 --> 00:54:48,850
His star ascended,
and hers didn't as much,
1044
00:54:48,885 --> 00:54:51,287
and, you know,
he slightly abandoned her.
1045
00:54:51,988 --> 00:54:54,823
[Detmar] Then Issie suddenly got
this job at the Sunday Times,
1046
00:54:54,858 --> 00:54:57,893
and McQueen said, "You've
been resurrected, Issie,"
1047
00:54:57,928 --> 00:55:00,696
and, yeah, I thought,
"No thanks to you, mate."
[laughs]
1048
00:55:02,866 --> 00:55:05,967
[McQueen] I saw myself within
the press and in the public eye
1049
00:55:06,002 --> 00:55:09,405
as the gazelle,
and a gazelle always got eaten.
1050
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:11,340
And that's how I see human life.
1051
00:55:11,375 --> 00:55:13,642
We can all be discarded
quite easily.
1052
00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:17,413
The fragility of a
designer's time in the press.
1053
00:55:18,115 --> 00:55:19,615
You're there, you're gone.
1054
00:55:19,883 --> 00:55:20,949
[laughs]
1055
00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:22,651
It's a jungle out there.
1056
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:25,687
[Pons] I went
to his London studio,
1057
00:55:25,722 --> 00:55:28,590
and he was talking
about the haute couture show.
1058
00:55:28,625 --> 00:55:31,827
"I tried to please them,
and then I fucked it up,
1059
00:55:31,862 --> 00:55:33,528
so I'm gonna do my own thing.
1060
00:55:33,563 --> 00:55:35,964
It's gonna be very McQueen,
the next one."
1061
00:55:35,999 --> 00:55:37,532
"Fuck you.
1062
00:55:37,567 --> 00:55:40,035
Fuck you, all of you.
I'm gonna show you."
1063
00:55:40,537 --> 00:55:43,905
[Costin] We went from
this sort of,
the hallowed halls of Givenchy,
1064
00:55:43,940 --> 00:55:46,842
into a sort of rough,
gritty Borough Market.
1065
00:55:47,110 --> 00:55:49,711
People sweeping all
the rotting fruit and veg up.
1066
00:55:49,746 --> 00:55:52,514
[McQueen] It's nice to show them
the rough part of London,
1067
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:55,517
make them scared, look over
their shoulder once in a while.
1068
00:55:55,552 --> 00:55:58,387
[Jurnjack] It's nothing
to do with couture.
Now you forgot Givenchy.
1069
00:55:58,422 --> 00:56:01,957
We're in another chapter,
in another world,
in another McQueen.
1070
00:56:01,992 --> 00:56:04,960
All camera crews go
round the front gate.
1071
00:56:04,995 --> 00:56:06,695
[Costin] The London shows
were always--
1072
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:08,964
the audience,
the expectation was so great.
1073
00:56:08,999 --> 00:56:13,001
The shows in Paris were
far more formal and reserved.
1074
00:56:13,036 --> 00:56:15,504
People would scream
their heads off in London.
1075
00:56:15,539 --> 00:56:17,906
[audience clamoring]
1076
00:56:17,941 --> 00:56:19,941
[woman] It was crazy.
1077
00:56:19,976 --> 00:56:23,112
People literally fighting
to see the catwalk.
1078
00:56:24,614 --> 00:56:26,448
[Murray]
Lee running from model to model
1079
00:56:26,483 --> 00:56:28,550
and screaming
and shouting at everyone.
1080
00:56:28,585 --> 00:56:31,787
No. We want to start
the show. Get back out there.
1081
00:56:31,822 --> 00:56:35,457
[Chai-Hyde] Always moving,
always dressing,
always stressing.
1082
00:56:35,492 --> 00:56:37,793
Stressing and dressing,
actually, together.
1083
00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:40,896
[woman backstage] They're all
standing by, ready to go.
1084
00:56:41,898 --> 00:56:44,499
Where's Russell? Is he
out there? Is he getting ready?
1085
00:56:44,534 --> 00:56:45,768
Yeah. Yep.
1086
00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:48,170
[Chai-Hyde] One of the models
was late.
1087
00:56:48,205 --> 00:56:51,106
He said, "Fuck her,"
and he started the show.
1088
00:56:51,541 --> 00:56:54,075
[Kidd] He used to go,
"Right, Jods. Just go for it."
1089
00:56:54,110 --> 00:56:59,114
He used to psych me up,
and I used to get out onto
the catwalk and go... [growl]
1090
00:56:59,149 --> 00:57:01,083
[dramatic music playing]
1091
00:57:06,556 --> 00:57:08,757
[Costin] It was really the
first time that the collection
1092
00:57:08,792 --> 00:57:12,561
kind of seeped out
into everything,
1093
00:57:12,596 --> 00:57:14,729
from the energy
that was in that space
1094
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,765
to the effect it had on people.
1095
00:57:17,801 --> 00:57:21,536
A sort of angst,
an anger and fear
1096
00:57:21,571 --> 00:57:23,572
that was woven through
that show.
1097
00:57:24,641 --> 00:57:26,107
[Pons] We were mind-blown,
1098
00:57:26,142 --> 00:57:29,678
because they didn't look
like models.
1099
00:57:29,713 --> 00:57:31,813
They look like animals.
1100
00:57:31,848 --> 00:57:35,183
Just big hair
and this animal makeup--
1101
00:57:35,218 --> 00:57:38,153
it was, like... it was intense.
1102
00:57:41,024 --> 00:57:43,158
[Costin] There were some
students that weren't allowed in
1103
00:57:43,193 --> 00:57:44,926
that stormed the barricades
1104
00:57:44,961 --> 00:57:47,029
and kicked over
all these fire pots.
1105
00:57:47,898 --> 00:57:49,698
And then the fire started.
1106
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,167
[Costin] 'Cause there were
a pile of crashed cars,
1107
00:57:52,202 --> 00:57:55,838
and I don't think we'd emptied
the cars of petrol.
1108
00:57:56,106 --> 00:57:57,806
[Kidd] The car's actually
on fire.
1109
00:57:58,074 --> 00:58:01,243
There's a fricking car
on fire on the catwalk.
1110
00:58:01,278 --> 00:58:03,645
[Costin] Everyone thought
it was part of the show.
1111
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,914
[Kidd] He's going,
"Don't you -- dare
1112
00:58:05,949 --> 00:58:07,782
go out there
with fire extinguishers."
1113
00:58:07,817 --> 00:58:10,752
To just keep sending them out,
keep sending them out.
1114
00:58:12,222 --> 00:58:16,057
[Shaw] Had that not
been rectified, that whole tent
1115
00:58:16,092 --> 00:58:20,562
and all the top fashion editors
and models would
have been history.
1116
00:58:21,932 --> 00:58:25,300
[Smith] That's back to typical,
wonderful,
1117
00:58:25,335 --> 00:58:28,003
mad, brilliant Lee.
1118
00:58:33,743 --> 00:58:35,777
[dramatic music playing]
1119
00:58:41,051 --> 00:58:42,251
[music stops]
1120
00:58:53,763 --> 00:58:54,996
[reporter] Did you move
out of London?
1121
00:58:55,031 --> 00:58:56,765
Did you settle in Paris now?
1122
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,633
I stay both.
1123
00:58:58,668 --> 00:59:00,936
I'm here
for six months and London
six months. All over.
1124
00:59:00,971 --> 00:59:03,605
My dog is in London,
and I'm missing him.
1125
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:04,740
I'm missing my dog.
1126
00:59:12,215 --> 00:59:16,117
[Chai-Hyde] Traveling
between the two cities
to do Givenchy and McQueen,
1127
00:59:16,152 --> 00:59:18,554
of course...
it would take its toll.
1128
00:59:19,823 --> 00:59:23,725
But he did it, and he managed
to make the shows amazing.
1129
00:59:27,731 --> 00:59:30,732
By that time,
there was so much more pressure,
1130
00:59:30,767 --> 00:59:32,767
because he was
also doing his own line
1131
00:59:32,802 --> 00:59:35,337
and then having to do
ready-to-wear haute couture.
1132
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,740
You could see the beginning of
the pressure that Lee was under.
1133
00:59:38,775 --> 00:59:42,243
[Pons] The favorite
company of LVMH was Dior.
1134
00:59:42,278 --> 00:59:46,815
Lee felt they were really
comparing him with Galliano.
1135
00:59:47,651 --> 00:59:49,884
And then he sort of found out
1136
00:59:49,919 --> 00:59:53,922
that John had four times
more budget than him
1137
00:59:53,957 --> 00:59:56,358
to create his
haute couture collection.
1138
00:59:57,694 --> 01:00:01,062
The house we loved
was the McQueen house.
1139
01:00:01,097 --> 01:00:03,932
Givenchy was like a stepbrother.
1140
01:00:04,267 --> 01:00:08,236
We knew that our time there
had an expiry date.
1141
01:00:10,073 --> 01:00:15,343
When we arrived for Paris, Lee's
clothes tend to be very rigid,
1142
01:00:15,378 --> 01:00:17,178
and I think in Paris,
1143
01:00:17,213 --> 01:00:20,916
he got to discover
the soft side of things.
1144
01:00:21,217 --> 01:00:24,019
We took that
and we brought it to London.
1145
01:00:27,123 --> 01:00:30,759
For the number 13,
I remember him very happy.
1146
01:00:30,794 --> 01:00:33,862
Lee had it very clear
on his head
1147
01:00:33,897 --> 01:00:35,230
what he wanted to do.
1148
01:00:36,099 --> 01:00:37,966
We all left the meeting
thinking,
1149
01:00:38,001 --> 01:00:40,001
"Oh, my God, he has it
very clear this season.
1150
01:00:40,036 --> 01:00:42,170
He knows what colors,
he knows the shape."
1151
01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:46,008
Him himself was feeling
at peace, you know?
1152
01:00:48,178 --> 01:00:50,779
The first show I ever worked on
with Lee,
1153
01:00:50,814 --> 01:00:53,114
he liked the idea of robots.
1154
01:00:53,149 --> 01:00:56,718
[Pons] Lee keep going on about,
"I'm gonna have this robot,
this model,"
1155
01:00:56,753 --> 01:01:01,056
and we were like, "No,
the robots again. Oh, my God."
1156
01:01:01,825 --> 01:01:04,993
We were just hoping
he was gonna forget the idea,
1157
01:01:05,028 --> 01:01:08,963
but then, the night before
the show, the robot did turn up,
1158
01:01:08,998 --> 01:01:12,000
and we didn't have a dress
to go with the robot.
1159
01:01:12,035 --> 01:01:14,002
I went back
to the studio. I was like,
1160
01:01:14,037 --> 01:01:16,938
"Guys, we need to make
a dress for the finale."
1161
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,942
Who went under the table
and pulled all this tulle out.
1162
01:01:20,977 --> 01:01:23,978
And he was like,
"Hey, there's the dress."
1163
01:01:24,013 --> 01:01:26,048
[piano music playing]
1164
01:01:31,488 --> 01:01:33,188
[Chai-Hyde] They told him
it was impossible,
1165
01:01:33,223 --> 01:01:35,223
and he said, "No, it's not.
You can do it."
1166
01:01:35,959 --> 01:01:37,325
And that's what Lee
did for people--
1167
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,994
he made them do the impossible.
1168
01:01:40,196 --> 01:01:42,430
[Bennett] He got some technician
down to operate the robots,
1169
01:01:42,465 --> 01:01:45,967
and Lee was straight,
"Yeah, let's make
the robots do more of this."
1170
01:01:46,002 --> 01:01:48,203
So Lee's directing these robots
like they're actors,
1171
01:01:48,238 --> 01:01:52,474
and consequently, you end up
with this incredible
choreography
1172
01:01:52,509 --> 01:01:54,042
and her spinning.
1173
01:01:55,411 --> 01:01:57,245
[McQueen] You had
Shalom Harlow there
1174
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,447
and these two robots
going round, and the thing is,
1175
01:01:59,482 --> 01:02:01,817
the robots looked like
they were a mind of their own.
1176
01:02:04,521 --> 01:02:06,755
[music continues playing]
1177
01:02:21,571 --> 01:02:25,841
[McQueen] Think
that's the first time that I was
blown away by my own show.
1178
01:02:26,276 --> 01:02:29,878
That man-and-machine
thing at the end is--
I'm still in shock, really.
1179
01:02:29,913 --> 01:02:31,813
That's the first time
I've cried at my show, so...
1180
01:02:32,816 --> 01:02:33,815
Yeah.
1181
01:02:33,850 --> 01:02:35,917
[music continues playing]
1182
01:03:04,581 --> 01:03:06,514
[Janet] Lee was living
his dream.
1183
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:09,517
He would never have given
the work up, as hard as it was,
1184
01:03:09,552 --> 01:03:12,320
because you get
that one chance in life.
1185
01:03:14,357 --> 01:03:18,159
[Chai-Hyde] First time
I knew that Lee was actually
getting very famous
1186
01:03:18,194 --> 01:03:21,529
is when some stranger
came up to us in the supermarket
1187
01:03:21,564 --> 01:03:23,364
and asked for his autograph.
1188
01:03:23,399 --> 01:03:26,868
And I remember him saying to me,
"My God, that's so scary."
1189
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:30,071
And I realized then
that something was happening.
1190
01:03:30,106 --> 01:03:33,074
He was breaking outside
of fashion and becoming famous.
1191
01:03:35,211 --> 01:03:37,846
[Smith] That whole
celebrity thing,
people chasing after him--
1192
01:03:37,881 --> 01:03:39,581
'cause you got the feeling
he was saying,
1193
01:03:39,616 --> 01:03:42,450
"This isn't the important
thing. This fame is nonsense.
1194
01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:44,553
The important
thing is what I do."
1195
01:03:45,989 --> 01:03:48,156
[Murray] Sometimes
wish he just had a normal life
1196
01:03:48,191 --> 01:03:52,026
and that he could
just be a normal person,
1197
01:03:52,061 --> 01:03:54,395
in terms of not having
that pressure of everything
1198
01:03:54,430 --> 01:03:56,164
at such a young age.
1199
01:03:56,199 --> 01:03:57,632
[Chai-Hyde] I knew Lee
when he had nothing
1200
01:03:57,667 --> 01:04:00,268
but a rubbish bin
full of clothes,
1201
01:04:00,303 --> 01:04:04,105
so I saw very quickly him
become a millionaire and more.
1202
01:04:04,641 --> 01:04:08,143
And the more money he had,
he seemed to be more unhappy.
1203
01:04:09,913 --> 01:04:13,582
'Cause with the money
came drugs, and that was
a sad thing.
1204
01:04:38,141 --> 01:04:40,108
[Chai-Hyde] When did it
become bad? Well...
1205
01:04:40,310 --> 01:04:43,378
It became bad when the pressure
became too much for him,
1206
01:04:43,413 --> 01:04:47,282
and he obviously started
dealing with it in ways
1207
01:04:47,317 --> 01:04:50,418
he shouldn't have,
unfortunately.
1208
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,254
[Detmar] And with it
came an aggressiveness,
1209
01:04:53,289 --> 01:04:55,924
like kind of anger
and a sort of paranoia.
1210
01:04:56,426 --> 01:04:58,359
But he's still producing
great clothes,
1211
01:04:58,394 --> 01:05:00,395
but the personality
changed, huh?
1212
01:05:00,430 --> 01:05:02,463
[McQueen] You know what I mean?
And all the hard work I do.
1213
01:05:02,498 --> 01:05:05,600
I do ten collections a year,
and it's hard work.
1214
01:05:05,635 --> 01:05:08,503
I didn't go to Givenchy.
They come to me.
1215
01:05:08,538 --> 01:05:10,972
So I got really upset
when people started saying
1216
01:05:11,007 --> 01:05:13,274
I was gonna get fired
when it wasn't true.
1217
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:16,177
So, sod the lot of you.
I do what I like.
1218
01:05:19,415 --> 01:05:23,184
[Murray] There was definitely
a change and definitely
a move in our relationship,
1219
01:05:23,219 --> 01:05:25,086
who had two sides to them.
1220
01:05:25,755 --> 01:05:28,556
He could come
in a super-cool mood,
1221
01:05:28,591 --> 01:05:32,226
like, full of laughter and that,
1222
01:05:32,261 --> 01:05:36,064
or it could be a devil
crossing the door.
1223
01:05:36,099 --> 01:05:38,967
[Murray] He was obviously
a very troubled person...
1224
01:05:39,369 --> 01:05:43,371
and the darkness
created this amazing creativity
1225
01:05:43,406 --> 01:05:46,041
and genius artist.
1226
01:05:49,245 --> 01:05:52,314
I had a tattoo
saying "McQueen" on my arm.
1227
01:05:53,216 --> 01:05:55,049
I got it covered up,
and I think when he found out,
1228
01:05:55,084 --> 01:05:57,152
that was kind of
like the end of everything.
1229
01:05:58,354 --> 01:06:00,188
[Smith] Lee was a romantic,
1230
01:06:00,223 --> 01:06:03,024
and I think he flirted always
with the idea of love.
1231
01:06:03,059 --> 01:06:05,160
I'm not sure
whether he ever achieved it.
1232
01:06:06,629 --> 01:06:09,731
The big thing in his life that
he was in love with was his
work.
1233
01:06:09,766 --> 01:06:13,468
And also,
he didn't trust anyone.
1234
01:06:13,503 --> 01:06:18,106
He thought if the boyfriend is
not here, it's because he's with
someone else,
1235
01:06:18,141 --> 01:06:20,542
and that made him suffer a lot.
1236
01:06:21,210 --> 01:06:23,211
[McQueen] People forget what
fashion's always been about.
1237
01:06:23,246 --> 01:06:25,279
It's about attracting
a mate. It's about sexuality.
1238
01:06:25,314 --> 01:06:27,248
It's about showing a person
who you are.
1239
01:06:27,283 --> 01:06:30,084
Uh... I'm sorry
if you think I'm stupid.
1240
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:33,321
Even I'm chubby, and I would
like to look smaller.
1241
01:06:33,356 --> 01:06:35,423
I mean, let's be realistic here.
1242
01:06:45,501 --> 01:06:48,036
[Smith] And even when he changed
his appearance, and he said,
1243
01:06:48,071 --> 01:06:50,204
"I changed myself.
It was the wrong thing to do.
1244
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:52,407
Because I completely
lost touch with who I was."
1245
01:06:52,708 --> 01:06:56,210
[McKitterick] What was it?
Ten years from Lee,
little Lee McQueen,
1246
01:06:56,245 --> 01:06:58,179
sat in the corner
of my studio sewing away,
1247
01:06:58,214 --> 01:07:02,250
to this svelte figure
dressed in Comme des Garçons,
1248
01:07:02,285 --> 01:07:04,585
having to become something
he didn't really want to be--
1249
01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:07,522
this sort of persona,
this Alexander McQueen.
1250
01:07:35,651 --> 01:07:37,218
[McKitterick]
Six in the morning.
1251
01:07:38,421 --> 01:07:40,555
[woman]
No, don't do that to her.
1252
01:07:43,659 --> 01:07:45,560
[McQueen]
She's only got a few hours left.
1253
01:07:48,898 --> 01:07:50,665
It wasn't fun anymore for me.
1254
01:07:50,867 --> 01:07:53,468
I think that was the bottom
line. It wasn't fun anymore.
1255
01:07:55,838 --> 01:07:57,238
[woman] I don't like how they...
1256
01:07:58,307 --> 01:07:59,574
Take them off now.
1257
01:08:00,944 --> 01:08:02,744
[Chai-Hyde] I've never done
better work than my time
with Lee.
1258
01:08:03,312 --> 01:08:05,379
It was times
that were dark with him
1259
01:08:05,414 --> 01:08:09,084
and times that were very bright,
and we all chose it.
1260
01:08:09,552 --> 01:08:10,785
We all chose to be there,
1261
01:08:11,921 --> 01:08:13,788
and we all chose to not
be there sometimes as well.
1262
01:08:14,223 --> 01:08:16,257
[Pons]
I collapsed once in Givenchy
1263
01:08:16,292 --> 01:08:19,627
because of the pressure
and the workload.
1264
01:08:19,662 --> 01:08:22,363
We had a price to pay,
and it was our health.
1265
01:08:23,332 --> 01:08:25,199
I grew in the company.
1266
01:08:25,234 --> 01:08:28,636
Of course, I wasn't the
little boy that I started there.
1267
01:08:28,671 --> 01:08:33,674
As I grew up, I realized
that I was feeling like
1268
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:37,145
I was a little bit
claustrophobic of the situation.
1269
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:38,880
[McQueen] Sebastian.
1270
01:08:40,483 --> 01:08:41,850
Come on, you ugly bitch.
1271
01:08:43,486 --> 01:08:45,186
[McQueen laughs sarcastically]
1272
01:08:45,221 --> 01:08:48,923
It was like full devotion
to the McQueen house,
1273
01:08:48,958 --> 01:08:51,325
looking after his dogs,
1274
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,628
endless hours of working,
1275
01:08:53,663 --> 01:08:58,733
and weekends either working
or socializing with Lee.
1276
01:08:58,768 --> 01:09:01,869
We were going also
on holiday together.
1277
01:09:01,904 --> 01:09:05,373
I even know how to fake his
signature. [laughs] You know!
1278
01:09:05,408 --> 01:09:07,509
I was feeling, like, trapped.
1279
01:09:08,277 --> 01:09:10,311
Even if I loved
what I was doing.
1280
01:09:11,714 --> 01:09:14,482
I tried to speak with him,
1281
01:09:14,784 --> 01:09:16,618
and that didn't end up
that well.
1282
01:09:16,919 --> 01:09:19,420
The day I told him
I was leaving, he told me,
1283
01:09:19,455 --> 01:09:22,457
"You better think about it,
because there is no way back."
1284
01:09:24,794 --> 01:09:29,764
And I left, and it was really
sad, you know, my leaving.
1285
01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:31,866
It was no one...
1286
01:09:33,803 --> 01:09:36,704
no one, um, came to...
1287
01:09:38,674 --> 01:09:44,245
After all the work I've done
and... [exhales] Oh...
1288
01:09:49,685 --> 01:09:53,688
Unfortunately,
Lee took things quite to heart
1289
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:56,224
without maybe thinking about
1290
01:09:56,259 --> 01:09:59,594
what the other person was going
through or what they needed.
1291
01:09:59,629 --> 01:10:01,629
And he would take it
very personally
1292
01:10:01,664 --> 01:10:04,365
when someone would leave
or he felt betrayed.
1293
01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:34,395
[Kidd] A lot of people around
fashion do suffer from anxiety,
1294
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:36,764
do suffer from panic attacks,
depression.
1295
01:10:36,799 --> 01:10:40,401
The industry is
feeding this ego,
1296
01:10:40,436 --> 01:10:42,370
and it has
a very negative effect.
1297
01:10:43,506 --> 01:10:46,274
[Bennett] For the Voss show,
the original concept
was the padded cell.
1298
01:10:47,777 --> 01:10:52,380
[Kidd] And you start losing
who you are,
and it becomes a darkness
1299
01:10:52,415 --> 01:10:54,015
and a place
that you can't get out of.
1300
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:56,651
[Bennett] And,
of course, Lee being Lee,
1301
01:10:56,686 --> 01:10:59,387
he wasn't happy with
just this one really great idea.
1302
01:10:59,422 --> 01:11:02,056
You had to have another box
in the middle.
1303
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:05,559
He has a kind of
theatrical climax to the show.
1304
01:11:05,594 --> 01:11:09,697
When he came and sat down
to explain what it was,
1305
01:11:09,732 --> 01:11:12,033
he wouldn't look me in the eye,
and he was saying,
1306
01:11:12,068 --> 01:11:15,936
"Yes, it's about death
and beauty and rebirth,
1307
01:11:15,971 --> 01:11:18,306
and it's gonna be beautiful."
1308
01:11:18,341 --> 01:11:21,008
I really wasn't
expecting Lee to recreate
1309
01:11:21,043 --> 01:11:24,345
Joel-Peter Witkin's
famous Incubus image.
1310
01:11:34,357 --> 01:11:35,723
It's a pretty gruesome image.
1311
01:11:36,025 --> 01:11:38,793
I'm thinking, "Oh, my goodness,
am I gonna do this?"
1312
01:11:38,828 --> 01:11:40,494
And I was like,
"All right, and I will do it,
1313
01:11:40,529 --> 01:11:43,898
but I want you to know,
serious face,
1314
01:11:43,933 --> 01:11:46,301
I'm doing it for art." [laughs]
1315
01:11:46,769 --> 01:11:49,470
And he looked at me
like I was mad,
1316
01:11:49,505 --> 01:11:51,405
and then he looked away,
and he went,
1317
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:53,808
"I thought we all were,
weren't we?" And he was off.
1318
01:11:53,843 --> 01:11:57,611
The actual set had
that Stanley Kubrick 2001
1319
01:11:57,646 --> 01:11:59,880
meets an insane asylum feel,
1320
01:11:59,915 --> 01:12:01,582
and the fact that there was
the two-way mirror
1321
01:12:01,617 --> 01:12:03,584
so that when the fashion people,
1322
01:12:03,619 --> 01:12:06,787
when the fashion press came in
to wait for the show to start,
1323
01:12:06,822 --> 01:12:08,723
they were all looking
at themselves in the mirror.
1324
01:12:09,058 --> 01:12:11,759
The music started--
ba-dum, ba-dum, ba-dum--
1325
01:12:11,794 --> 01:12:14,796
with his heartbeat that went
faster and faster and faster.
1326
01:12:15,398 --> 01:12:17,365
[Bennett] We didn't know
quite what was gonna expect,
1327
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,101
what was gonna happen, and none
of the audience knew at all.
1328
01:12:20,903 --> 01:12:24,939
[McQueen] Fashion is a big
bubble, and sometimes I feel
like popping it.
1329
01:12:25,841 --> 01:12:28,509
[eerie noises]
1330
01:12:33,883 --> 01:12:36,450
[Bennett] Then when the show
starts, boom,
you can see inside.
1331
01:12:36,485 --> 01:12:38,386
The models can't see
the audience at all.
1332
01:12:39,121 --> 01:12:41,823
[Olley] Was suddenly a much
more kind of voyeuristic thing.
1333
01:12:43,526 --> 01:12:45,459
The bandages that he put on
all the models' heads,
1334
01:12:45,494 --> 01:12:48,162
so it had that slight feeling
of unease and sickness
1335
01:12:48,197 --> 01:12:50,531
and bedlam feel about it.
1336
01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:53,067
[wailing voices]
1337
01:12:55,638 --> 01:12:59,540
[Chai-Hyde] There was one time
that I'd just come out
of surgery,
1338
01:12:59,575 --> 01:13:02,109
and he came to visit me,
and he saw me,
1339
01:13:02,144 --> 01:13:04,745
and I had bandages everywhere,
and I was all bruised up,
1340
01:13:04,780 --> 01:13:07,715
and he was, "Fucking wicked,"
[fingers click]
as he would do that.
1341
01:13:08,584 --> 01:13:10,684
He absorbed things
like a sponge,
1342
01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:14,789
saw the beauty in the ugly,
as with the bandages on me.
1343
01:13:18,194 --> 01:13:19,527
[wild laugh]
1344
01:13:31,841 --> 01:13:33,808
[people whistling]
1345
01:13:33,843 --> 01:13:35,009
-[monitor beeping]
-[heartbeat]
1346
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:43,584
[McQueen] Life isn't perfect,
and we're not all perfect.
1347
01:13:43,619 --> 01:13:45,653
We're not all size-zero models,
1348
01:13:45,688 --> 01:13:48,456
but there is beauty
within the eye of the beholder.
1349
01:13:49,225 --> 01:13:51,726
[beeping turns solid]
1350
01:14:02,571 --> 01:14:06,507
[Olley] For the final image
to be this one of a large woman
1351
01:14:06,542 --> 01:14:09,210
with moths everywhere,
it sounds like a joke, really,
1352
01:14:09,245 --> 01:14:13,047
but I do think there's a sense
of humor going on underneath
there as well.
1353
01:14:13,082 --> 01:14:14,915
It's fat birds and moths.
1354
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:17,084
I mean, isn't that just
fashion's worst nightmare?
1355
01:14:17,953 --> 01:14:20,488
[applause and whistling]
1356
01:14:22,625 --> 01:14:25,159
Every season,
whose collections do I look at
1357
01:14:25,194 --> 01:14:27,695
and whose collections
am I jealous of, in a sense?
1358
01:14:27,730 --> 01:14:31,132
And whose collections
do I think
are absolutely amazing?
1359
01:14:33,035 --> 01:14:36,237
[woman] Tom was literally God
in the industry.
1360
01:14:36,272 --> 01:14:38,539
I guess even
if Lee was a rebel...
1361
01:14:38,574 --> 01:14:41,208
...and he was a totally
different kind of person,
1362
01:14:41,243 --> 01:14:44,845
he probably was flattered
and touched by the fact
1363
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,516
that someone like Tom Ford
noticed him and wanted him.
1364
01:14:48,551 --> 01:14:51,051
And also,
he was smart enough to know
1365
01:14:51,086 --> 01:14:53,488
that he needed
that financial help.
1366
01:15:10,973 --> 01:15:14,308
The wonderful thing about Lee
is he is poet,
1367
01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:16,210
and he won't like this,
either, but it's true,
1368
01:15:16,245 --> 01:15:20,014
poet and commerce united,
because he's very practical.
1369
01:15:20,049 --> 01:15:23,250
So he understands
you can express whatever
you want on the runway,
1370
01:15:23,285 --> 01:15:25,553
but you have to have
something beautiful
on the hanger
1371
01:15:25,588 --> 01:15:26,754
to sell to a store.
1372
01:15:27,856 --> 01:15:29,056
[Chai-Hyde]
Gucci Group was smart.
1373
01:15:29,091 --> 01:15:31,325
They saw what the potential was,
1374
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,695
and they offered McQueen a deal
he thought he couldn't refuse,
1375
01:15:34,730 --> 01:15:37,298
which was, "Here,
we'll underwrite your company
1376
01:15:37,333 --> 01:15:39,901
and give you 50%
of the ownership."
1377
01:15:40,235 --> 01:15:42,703
They had secret meetings
so that none of this
1378
01:15:42,738 --> 01:15:44,805
would get back to
Arnault and the LVMH people,
1379
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,975
and they had no idea it
was coming until it hit them.
1380
01:15:49,912 --> 01:15:54,682
I was quite adamant
when I talked to Tom
that this was a one-man band.
1381
01:15:55,084 --> 01:15:57,685
So they leave you alone
to design what you want.
1382
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,119
Hundred percent.
1383
01:15:59,154 --> 01:16:01,155
I was looking for
major investment...
1384
01:16:01,890 --> 01:16:04,992
and then Gucci got in touch,
and...
1385
01:16:06,996 --> 01:16:08,229
the rest is history.
1386
01:16:08,631 --> 01:16:10,998
[laughter]
1387
01:16:12,167 --> 01:16:13,968
[McQueen]
Au revoir, Givenchy.
1388
01:16:14,003 --> 01:16:15,636
[uplifting music playing]
1389
01:16:25,848 --> 01:16:27,048
[music stops]
1390
01:16:33,756 --> 01:16:34,789
[Isabella] Dodo.
1391
01:16:37,426 --> 01:16:38,859
[indistinct chatter]
1392
01:16:46,168 --> 01:16:47,969
[dogs growl]
1393
01:16:50,139 --> 01:16:51,805
[Detmar] What's he doing?
1394
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,307
[McQueen] I have an affinity
with the sea.
1395
01:16:53,342 --> 01:16:55,176
I don't know.
Maybe 'cause I'm Pisces.
1396
01:16:56,111 --> 01:16:58,779
And when it rains and it snows,
1397
01:16:58,814 --> 01:17:01,849
and you're near the sea,
and you can hear the waves.
1398
01:17:03,152 --> 01:17:06,287
It's very melancholic,
but it's very romantic.
1399
01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:11,792
Sometimes you need
to have a break
1400
01:17:12,695 --> 01:17:15,696
to get away from everything
and not to think about
1401
01:17:16,198 --> 01:17:18,799
sort of, like,
business and fashion shows
1402
01:17:18,834 --> 01:17:20,635
and to take time out.
1403
01:17:26,909 --> 01:17:28,876
I have to be surrounded
by nature.
1404
01:17:29,778 --> 01:17:31,245
This is older than the house.
1405
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,648
This is over 400 years old.
1406
01:17:34,083 --> 01:17:35,416
It's an elm tree,
1407
01:17:35,451 --> 01:17:38,052
and we uplight it at night.
1408
01:17:41,190 --> 01:17:43,190
And it's, like,
it's good inspiration.
1409
01:17:50,899 --> 01:17:54,368
All my friends come here,
and we have the fire on,
1410
01:17:54,403 --> 01:17:57,471
and we watch DVDs
and listen to music,
1411
01:17:57,506 --> 01:18:00,074
and it's nice and relaxing.
1412
01:18:08,117 --> 01:18:12,219
He would be spending time with
my mum a lot down the cottage.
1413
01:18:13,388 --> 01:18:16,223
[Janet] I'm grateful
that we had that time together.
1414
01:18:17,025 --> 01:18:20,728
We seen more of each other.
We did things together.
1415
01:18:22,030 --> 01:18:24,164
[McQueen]
My family keep me grounded.
1416
01:18:24,199 --> 01:18:26,767
Fashion can be
a very superficial business.
1417
01:18:29,171 --> 01:18:31,772
Where I started in London,
there was nothing like this.
1418
01:18:32,541 --> 01:18:36,510
It's as close as we can get
to haute couture in England,
you know.
1419
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:38,345
All the people
here are students,
1420
01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:40,147
and it's like training them up
and giving them
1421
01:18:40,182 --> 01:18:43,250
their initial step
into the world of fashion.
1422
01:18:44,953 --> 01:18:47,054
Lee knew from
when I was a little boy
1423
01:18:47,089 --> 01:18:49,857
that I loved to draw,
and I was always very artistic.
1424
01:18:50,259 --> 01:18:53,827
A lot of time had passed,
and I was working
at a rubbish tip [laughs]
1425
01:18:53,862 --> 01:18:57,064
and Lee had the position for
a textile designer on menswear,
1426
01:18:57,099 --> 01:18:58,733
and that's when he took me on.
1427
01:18:59,401 --> 01:19:01,368
Lee was really happy
having me there,
1428
01:19:02,104 --> 01:19:04,204
firstly, on the creative level,
1429
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,241
but secondly,
just having something
1430
01:19:07,276 --> 01:19:11,145
that reminded him of his past
and his childhood.
1431
01:19:13,315 --> 01:19:14,315
Does that look right?
1432
01:19:15,451 --> 01:19:17,217
[McQueen] There was a period
when it wasn't so good,
1433
01:19:17,252 --> 01:19:20,220
and I had a lot of angst,
and it was kind of hard.
1434
01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:22,556
There was a lot of confliction
in my head
1435
01:19:22,591 --> 01:19:25,826
with doing the job I didn't
particularly want to do,
which was Givenchy.
1436
01:19:25,861 --> 01:19:30,030
But I think I've come
to a stage where I just accept
this is my life.
1437
01:19:30,065 --> 01:19:31,766
This is what I was born to do.
1438
01:19:36,205 --> 01:19:39,306
[mumbles and laughs]
1439
01:19:41,276 --> 01:19:43,877
[Gary] He controlled the vibe
wherever he went.
1440
01:19:43,912 --> 01:19:47,514
A lot of the time,
he was such a buzz to be around.
1441
01:19:47,549 --> 01:19:49,817
Way I kind of put it
is like he was the queen bee
1442
01:19:49,852 --> 01:19:52,586
with the worker bees
responding to the signals
1443
01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:55,289
from that queen bee,
and people felt that,
1444
01:19:55,324 --> 01:19:58,091
you know,
he had this kind of childish way
1445
01:19:58,126 --> 01:20:00,561
of sort of mucking about
in the studio environment,
1446
01:20:00,596 --> 01:20:04,398
and it just made things so light
and such a nice place to be.
1447
01:20:06,068 --> 01:20:07,901
There was always
something creative happening.
1448
01:20:07,936 --> 01:20:09,270
That's what excited everybody.
1449
01:20:12,407 --> 01:20:15,542
[McQueen] I speak so loudly
in my work itself.
1450
01:20:15,577 --> 01:20:18,111
I think everything
I do is personal.
1451
01:20:18,146 --> 01:20:21,548
Even turning Kate Moss into
a hologram is kind of personal.
It's ethereal.
1452
01:20:21,583 --> 01:20:25,285
It's a time I'm feeling at one
with the world and heavenly.
1453
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,354
If you want to know me,
just look at my work.
1454
01:20:27,389 --> 01:20:29,023
[applause]
1455
01:20:36,365 --> 01:20:38,399
[somber music playing]
1456
01:20:46,341 --> 01:20:48,275
[reporter] What does fashion
mean to you?
1457
01:20:49,311 --> 01:20:50,377
My life.
1458
01:20:55,651 --> 01:20:57,451
[Detmar] Issie died proud.
1459
01:20:57,486 --> 01:21:00,487
She died having achieved
beyond her wildest dreams.
1460
01:21:00,989 --> 01:21:04,391
[Sykes] The fact
that Issie went was a huge blow
to so many people,
1461
01:21:04,426 --> 01:21:06,627
including Alexander, huge blow.
1462
01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:11,966
[bell tolls]
1463
01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:31,552
[Detmar] I saw him at Issie's
funeral, and I've never seen
anyone so devastated.
1464
01:21:32,621 --> 01:21:34,321
Couldn't recognize. He was--
1465
01:21:34,356 --> 01:21:36,490
He sat right behind me,
but I turned round,
1466
01:21:36,525 --> 01:21:40,460
this person
in a Highland... kilt
1467
01:21:40,495 --> 01:21:42,462
and the hat and looking very...
1468
01:21:42,497 --> 01:21:45,165
I thought, "My God,
it's McQueen, Alexander."
1469
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,935
And the look on his face
was haunting.
1470
01:21:48,603 --> 01:21:50,537
I felt for him.
1471
01:21:51,473 --> 01:21:56,243
Could just-- you could just
see the pain... he suffered.
1472
01:21:56,611 --> 01:21:59,413
I could see the love.
Never deny the love.
1473
01:21:59,448 --> 01:22:01,482
It was such a love affair
between those two.
1474
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,423
Issie seemed to slot in
between a sister and a mum.
1475
01:22:10,425 --> 01:22:12,326
And she was in the middle,
1476
01:22:12,361 --> 01:22:15,362
and Lee just loved Issie.
1477
01:22:17,399 --> 01:22:19,633
[Detmar] The connection
between Issie and McQueen,
1478
01:22:19,668 --> 01:22:21,702
they both carried sadnesses.
1479
01:22:22,170 --> 01:22:24,004
Alexander had been abused.
1480
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:27,608
He felt that person
had destroyed his innocence.
1481
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:31,178
Issie had this very sad
instance when she was
about five years old,
1482
01:22:31,213 --> 01:22:33,613
when her brother she
was playing with died,
1483
01:22:33,648 --> 01:22:36,717
not Issie's fault, but she
always felt responsible for him
1484
01:22:36,752 --> 01:22:38,485
and carried that guilt.
1485
01:22:39,021 --> 01:22:41,621
There was a destructive side
and destructive issues
1486
01:22:41,656 --> 01:22:45,192
which she could never
resolve entirely,
and they would blow up...
1487
01:22:46,028 --> 01:22:47,728
which became
more and more serious.
1488
01:22:48,597 --> 01:22:50,731
[Isabella] I don't take drugs
but I take medication.
1489
01:22:50,766 --> 01:22:54,468
Sometimes I have to take
a pill just to keep me calm.
1490
01:22:54,503 --> 01:22:58,639
The pathway to her
self-destruction was clear.
1491
01:22:59,408 --> 01:23:03,143
Issie perhaps was thinking
she didn't want
to go on forever.
1492
01:23:03,412 --> 01:23:05,345
She couldn't reinvent herself
as an old woman
1493
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:07,081
'cause
fashion's all about youth.
1494
01:23:07,616 --> 01:23:09,449
Discovering people
is a big thing.
1495
01:23:09,484 --> 01:23:13,053
It's like being a mother,
and the milk's dried up.
1496
01:23:14,289 --> 01:23:16,023
[Detmar] Issie was planning
her death.
1497
01:23:17,092 --> 01:23:19,093
So she wanted
to say goodbye to McQueen...
1498
01:23:20,662 --> 01:23:22,997
and she organized a weekend.
1499
01:23:23,498 --> 01:23:27,034
She gone to a lot of trouble
with a very lovely menu.
1500
01:23:28,203 --> 01:23:29,736
Alexander was exhausted,
1501
01:23:29,771 --> 01:23:32,406
and he turned up
and just stayed in his room.
1502
01:23:34,309 --> 01:23:37,244
Whatever she needed,
he wasn't able
to give it himself.
1503
01:23:38,113 --> 01:23:39,546
But they did see each other.
1504
01:23:39,581 --> 01:23:42,049
Yeah. There was a
farewell between them.
1505
01:23:42,417 --> 01:23:45,652
Big hug and kiss and
"See you in the next world."
1506
01:23:46,188 --> 01:23:47,621
The thing is, when you're ill,
1507
01:23:48,323 --> 01:23:50,524
you don't know--
you're very alone.
1508
01:23:50,559 --> 01:23:53,193
[Detmar] Issie had cancer
at the end, ovarian cancer.
1509
01:23:53,228 --> 01:23:56,497
It was terminal. Who knows?
Issie wouldn't have been
interested in chemotherapy.
1510
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,500
The last thing Issie said to me,
1511
01:24:00,535 --> 01:24:04,104
"Do you remember, Detmar,
when I was a ray of sunshine?"
1512
01:24:04,506 --> 01:24:07,041
And I said, "Issie, you'll
always be a ray of sunshine."
1513
01:24:11,146 --> 01:24:13,680
McQueen is calling his show
La Dame Bleue.
1514
01:24:13,715 --> 01:24:15,549
He's dedicating this show
1515
01:24:15,584 --> 01:24:19,853
to his late, great friend
and mentor, Isabella Blow.
1516
01:24:19,888 --> 01:24:22,489
You could see her
in the clothes.
1517
01:24:22,524 --> 01:24:25,258
You could smell
the perfume of her around,
1518
01:24:25,293 --> 01:24:28,261
and you could see her children,
in a way.
1519
01:24:28,296 --> 01:24:31,598
And backstage, Alexander
and Philip going crazy together.
1520
01:24:31,633 --> 01:24:33,667
What bonded them was Issie.
1521
01:24:34,569 --> 01:24:38,371
Isabella single-handedly
invented Alexander and myself
1522
01:24:38,406 --> 01:24:42,209
from nowhere
with such conviction
1523
01:24:42,244 --> 01:24:45,445
that we will
never experience again.
1524
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:47,447
Her belief in you
1525
01:24:47,482 --> 01:24:50,217
made you be the person you were.
1526
01:24:54,289 --> 01:24:56,523
[thump of wings flapping]
1527
01:25:03,265 --> 01:25:04,565
[tender music playing]
1528
01:25:10,172 --> 01:25:13,841
[Hillson] Once you sat down
and you saw the set
and the music...
1529
01:25:14,543 --> 01:25:17,511
you were there, and it held you,
1530
01:25:17,546 --> 01:25:21,381
because I kept seeing her
in the clothes he was putting
on the catwalk,
1531
01:25:21,416 --> 01:25:23,851
and the hats, of course,
that Philip was designing.
1532
01:25:27,856 --> 01:25:32,759
[Viglezio] It was actually
creating some mythical figure
1533
01:25:32,794 --> 01:25:35,896
that was like
Issie's presence at the show.
1534
01:25:44,573 --> 01:25:47,741
So emotional.
Just couldn't stop crying.
1535
01:25:47,943 --> 01:25:49,309
Was bent over double,
1536
01:25:49,778 --> 01:25:52,679
and... grief is grief.
1537
01:25:52,714 --> 01:25:54,148
You have to go through it.
1538
01:26:00,222 --> 01:26:03,457
[woman] Then to see them come on
and realize how young they were,
1539
01:26:03,692 --> 01:26:06,160
and they'd lost a great friend,
1540
01:26:06,494 --> 01:26:07,928
and how they had loved her.
1541
01:26:15,237 --> 01:26:17,304
[Janet] I think
it had a big effect on Lee.
1542
01:26:18,807 --> 01:26:21,441
After Issie passed away,
1543
01:26:22,244 --> 01:26:25,746
he was in a really dark place.
1544
01:26:42,931 --> 01:26:46,233
[Pons] We were watching TV
in the evening,
1545
01:26:46,268 --> 01:26:49,402
and Lee McQueen
opened the news that day
1546
01:26:49,437 --> 01:26:51,471
with the Horn of Plenty show.
1547
01:26:52,741 --> 01:26:55,408
And my father was sitting there,
1548
01:26:55,443 --> 01:26:57,010
and he's like,
"Sebastian, come over.
1549
01:26:57,045 --> 01:26:59,980
I think it's your crazy friend's
fashion on TV."
1550
01:27:00,515 --> 01:27:03,650
And when my father saw
the collection and is like...
1551
01:27:04,519 --> 01:27:06,787
"I think your friend
has gone really mad."
1552
01:27:07,722 --> 01:27:09,523
[applause]
1553
01:27:09,824 --> 01:27:12,492
And I think
with the Horn of Plenty,
1554
01:27:12,527 --> 01:27:15,262
that really reflects
the fashion world today...
1555
01:27:15,964 --> 01:27:17,464
A pile of crap.
1556
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,806
Three years of being apart,
1557
01:27:26,841 --> 01:27:30,010
I think a lot, and I think
he think a lot, also.
1558
01:27:31,579 --> 01:27:33,013
When I call him,
1559
01:27:33,048 --> 01:27:35,449
it was like, "Hello, Lee?"
1560
01:27:36,318 --> 01:27:37,651
"Hello?" It's, like,
1561
01:27:37,686 --> 01:27:39,386
"Lee, it's Sebastian."
1562
01:27:39,421 --> 01:27:41,488
"Where the fuck have you been
all this time,
1563
01:27:41,523 --> 01:27:42,889
you fucking bastard?"
1564
01:27:43,925 --> 01:27:46,026
We just started again
1565
01:27:46,061 --> 01:27:49,329
like the brothers
we were before.
1566
01:27:50,565 --> 01:27:53,300
So then I took
the ferry to Ibiza,
1567
01:27:53,335 --> 01:27:54,901
and I went to his villa.
1568
01:27:55,570 --> 01:27:59,673
When he opened the door,
I was in shock,
1569
01:27:59,708 --> 01:28:02,942
because the person
who opened the door,
1570
01:28:02,977 --> 01:28:04,544
he was a different person.
1571
01:28:04,579 --> 01:28:08,415
He was really skinny
and looking very fragile
1572
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:10,350
and very, very pale.
1573
01:28:10,752 --> 01:28:12,485
When I hug him,
1574
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,855
that's when I notice
something has changed,
1575
01:28:15,890 --> 01:28:20,627
because his body structure
was just bones.
1576
01:28:20,662 --> 01:28:24,431
There was hardly any muscle
or flesh there.
1577
01:28:27,068 --> 01:28:31,371
[Gary] Lee come in
with the idea of having
an invitation for a show
1578
01:28:31,406 --> 01:28:33,440
that had that metamorphosis.
1579
01:28:33,475 --> 01:28:36,910
He wanted his face
to transform into a skull.
1580
01:28:37,946 --> 01:28:42,883
Everything in his life
had just led to these feelings
of torment.
1581
01:28:43,952 --> 01:28:45,719
Lee was HIV-positive.
1582
01:28:47,055 --> 01:28:50,424
Even though it isn't
a death sentence, as such...
1583
01:28:50,859 --> 01:28:54,027
I think it was always
in the back of Lee's mind.
1584
01:28:54,562 --> 01:28:56,963
You'd feel the bad vibes
when Lee was down, you know?
1585
01:28:56,998 --> 01:29:00,600
There was a real depression that
was brought with that as well.
1586
01:29:01,035 --> 01:29:02,636
[violin music playing]
1587
01:29:13,615 --> 01:29:15,949
[Janet] I think
the trouble is with Lee,
1588
01:29:15,984 --> 01:29:18,918
after a show,
when you've done that build-up
1589
01:29:18,953 --> 01:29:21,054
and you've worked hard,
and you could see
1590
01:29:21,089 --> 01:29:23,657
there was
a little bit of a down.
1591
01:29:26,561 --> 01:29:29,730
And then
on to the next show again.
1592
01:29:30,999 --> 01:29:34,634
Yeah, it was show after...
I don't know how Lee did it.
1593
01:29:34,669 --> 01:29:36,703
[applause]
1594
01:29:40,008 --> 01:29:43,777
[McQueen] The pressure's
kind of quite immense now
1595
01:29:43,812 --> 01:29:47,514
because of the Gucci contract,
and...
1596
01:29:49,083 --> 01:29:53,587
You know, I do the men's now,
and now I also do McQ,
1597
01:29:53,922 --> 01:29:56,489
so it's about 14 collections
a year again,
1598
01:29:56,524 --> 01:30:00,594
same as when I was at Givenchy,
so it's hard work.
1599
01:30:07,001 --> 01:30:09,002
[Gary] I think he would have
liked the idea of moving away
1600
01:30:09,037 --> 01:30:10,870
and just leaving everything
behind,
1601
01:30:10,905 --> 01:30:13,006
but as it is his name
above the door
1602
01:30:13,041 --> 01:30:16,510
and his reputation as a person
and everything he had built,
1603
01:30:16,744 --> 01:30:18,011
he couldn't just abandon it.
1604
01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:27,554
[McQueen] If I ever get
that old and I'm still around
1605
01:30:27,589 --> 01:30:30,957
and I leave my company,
I'll just burn the place down.
1606
01:30:30,992 --> 01:30:33,126
[man] Yeah.
No one'll work there. [laughs]
1607
01:30:33,161 --> 01:30:35,695
[reporter] Really? So you'd
never let someone carry on...
1608
01:30:36,231 --> 01:30:39,199
the McQueen tradition
or the McQueen brand
1609
01:30:39,234 --> 01:30:41,034
if you weren't actively
involved?
1610
01:30:43,972 --> 01:30:44,904
I don't think so.
1611
01:30:44,939 --> 01:30:46,640
I mean... It doesn't--
1612
01:30:48,143 --> 01:30:50,677
because that person
will have to come up
with the concepts for my show,
1613
01:30:50,712 --> 01:30:54,548
and my shows are so personal,
how can that be?
1614
01:30:56,184 --> 01:30:59,686
[Janet] I said, "Why don't
you step away, Lee, for a year?
1615
01:30:59,721 --> 01:31:01,154
And he just said,
"You don't understand."
1616
01:31:01,189 --> 01:31:04,191
He said,
"I'm responsible for 50 people.
1617
01:31:04,592 --> 01:31:07,761
They've got to pay their
mortgage. I can't just stop."
1618
01:31:10,832 --> 01:31:12,765
[Viglezio]
I was always thinking,
1619
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,168
"There's so much sadness
in him,"
1620
01:31:15,203 --> 01:31:17,270
and that was sad,
1621
01:31:17,305 --> 01:31:21,941
because he was this successful,
flamboyant being
1622
01:31:21,976 --> 01:31:24,244
who actually was
so lonely deep inside.
1623
01:31:24,279 --> 01:31:27,080
It can be really lonely,
1624
01:31:27,315 --> 01:31:30,517
and I think, you know, I'd...
1625
01:31:30,552 --> 01:31:32,652
I think there's more
to life than fashion,
1626
01:31:32,687 --> 01:31:34,821
and I don't want
to be stuck in that bubble
1627
01:31:34,856 --> 01:31:36,956
of this is what I do,
1628
01:31:36,991 --> 01:31:39,792
because it's nice, because
you see everyone in the office,
1629
01:31:39,827 --> 01:31:42,195
they go home,
and they can shut off,
1630
01:31:42,230 --> 01:31:45,298
but I'm still Alexander
McQueen after I shut the door.
1631
01:31:45,333 --> 01:31:48,201
You know what I mean?
I've got to go home with myself.
1632
01:31:49,003 --> 01:31:50,537
If you've had a bad day,
1633
01:31:50,572 --> 01:31:52,672
I've only got myself
to answer to, so...
1634
01:31:52,707 --> 01:31:53,806
[both laugh]
1635
01:31:53,841 --> 01:31:55,175
[violin music continues]
1636
01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:04,150
I mean, with us, it was like
1637
01:32:04,886 --> 01:32:08,555
behaving all right, okay,
1638
01:32:09,257 --> 01:32:13,293
but deep inside,
we knew that he wasn't...
1639
01:32:15,263 --> 01:32:16,997
he wasn't hundred percent.
1640
01:32:17,599 --> 01:32:19,666
He could hear voices.
1641
01:32:19,701 --> 01:32:23,003
He was telling me
that they were chasing him.
1642
01:32:24,238 --> 01:32:26,239
One thing he used to say,
1643
01:32:26,274 --> 01:32:28,575
"Paranoia will destroy ya."
1644
01:32:29,611 --> 01:32:32,111
[Bennett]
I remember doing a drawing,
1645
01:32:32,146 --> 01:32:35,114
which is basically it's
got lots of cameras around,
1646
01:32:35,149 --> 01:32:37,684
then we're thinking, "Maybe
the cameras could be on robots."
1647
01:32:37,719 --> 01:32:40,186
It was always about getting
the camera right in your face.
1648
01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:43,690
It's surveillance. It's making
the audience uncomfortable.
1649
01:32:44,225 --> 01:32:46,125
[Gary] The idea
behind Plato's Atlantis
1650
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,095
is where people
come from the land
and go back into the sea.
1651
01:33:03,044 --> 01:33:05,244
[Gary] He loved swimming,
scuba diving.
1652
01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:06,879
He loved that feeling
1653
01:33:06,914 --> 01:33:08,315
of just being
in a different world underwater.
1654
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:10,783
You know, just away
from everything,
1655
01:33:10,818 --> 01:33:13,152
almost like you're back
in the womb floating,
1656
01:33:13,187 --> 01:33:17,324
you know? And that kind of
serenity you would get through
that.
1657
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:21,828
[Pons] Plato's Atlantis was
kind of like a study in his head
1658
01:33:21,863 --> 01:33:25,965
with all the digital printing
and all the experimenting,
1659
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:30,670
pattern cutting,
and the robots were there again.
1660
01:33:31,005 --> 01:33:35,075
He said to me, "I design
my last collection, Sebastian,"
1661
01:33:35,877 --> 01:33:38,878
and he told me,
"I had enough with all this.
1662
01:33:39,380 --> 01:33:40,880
I gonna kill myself."
1663
01:33:42,083 --> 01:33:45,084
"What do you mean,
you're gonna kill yourself?"
1664
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:48,388
He's like, "Yeah."
He's like, "I am fed up.
1665
01:33:48,423 --> 01:33:52,425
I had it with this.
I just want to put this an end.
1666
01:33:52,460 --> 01:33:56,696
And in my last show,
in the end,"
1667
01:33:56,731 --> 01:33:58,331
he said, "Do you remember Voss?
1668
01:33:58,833 --> 01:34:03,169
So I'm gonna do the sort
of same thing,
but it's gonna be a Perspex box,
1669
01:34:03,204 --> 01:34:06,773
the size of a human being,
so when the show ends,
1670
01:34:06,808 --> 01:34:10,644
this box is gonna
come out from the ground...
1671
01:34:12,013 --> 01:34:13,213
with me inside,
1672
01:34:13,948 --> 01:34:17,250
and then I'm just
gonna shoot myself."
1673
01:34:19,087 --> 01:34:19,986
And...
1674
01:34:21,923 --> 01:34:25,224
[stammering]
And I just didn't know
1675
01:34:25,259 --> 01:34:27,126
how to react to that,
you know what I mean,
1676
01:34:27,161 --> 01:34:30,764
because...
he sounded so convincing.
1677
01:34:41,375 --> 01:34:47,080
It was like he thought
that the whole fashion system
1678
01:34:47,115 --> 01:34:48,415
was against him.
1679
01:34:49,183 --> 01:34:51,818
And I said,
"No, no one is against you."
1680
01:34:53,054 --> 01:34:56,222
"But if you are thinking
to do this,
1681
01:34:56,257 --> 01:34:58,758
you're gonna harm
so many people,
1682
01:34:59,193 --> 01:35:01,160
because people come
to your shows
1683
01:35:01,195 --> 01:35:04,163
to see your beauty,
your talent, your creativity,
1684
01:35:04,198 --> 01:35:08,401
and you-- to see you,
to see your work."
1685
01:35:08,436 --> 01:35:10,070
[somber music playing]
1686
01:35:25,853 --> 01:35:27,487
He was like a movie director.
1687
01:35:27,522 --> 01:35:30,389
We had to be like aliens,
and he told us this.
1688
01:35:30,424 --> 01:35:33,960
He said, "Listen, you
have to have this face, strong.
1689
01:35:33,995 --> 01:35:35,795
You have to be powerful."
1690
01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:38,498
With this show,
he kind of throw a bomb on us.
1691
01:35:38,533 --> 01:35:40,133
"Okay, this is it. Finish.
1692
01:35:40,168 --> 01:35:41,968
Everything is finished.
We are reborn.
1693
01:35:42,003 --> 01:35:44,804
We're starting new--
new chapter, new plans."
1694
01:35:44,839 --> 01:35:46,873
[dramatic music playing]
1695
01:35:57,518 --> 01:35:59,452
I was really scared.
1696
01:35:59,954 --> 01:36:02,322
I tried to not
to picture myself falling.
1697
01:36:02,857 --> 01:36:06,993
I wanted him to be proud of me,
and I wanted him to be proud
1698
01:36:07,028 --> 01:36:10,163
that he has
such a army of models.
1699
01:36:17,104 --> 01:36:21,274
Endless print designs.
Might've been a fish's fin.
1700
01:36:21,309 --> 01:36:22,809
Scales from a snake.
1701
01:36:23,211 --> 01:36:29,282
Then manipulated and
montaged into a repeat pattern
1702
01:36:29,483 --> 01:36:31,851
and become something else
unrecognizable.
1703
01:36:32,186 --> 01:36:35,455
This was the turn of the
digital age coming into fashion.
1704
01:36:37,258 --> 01:36:39,158
[Pons] If it was the end,
1705
01:36:39,193 --> 01:36:43,163
then that had to be why
his best collection is there.
1706
01:36:51,572 --> 01:36:55,241
He knew he needed
something revolutionary,
1707
01:36:55,943 --> 01:36:58,578
and I think Plato's Atlantis
it is. I'm sorry.
1708
01:37:05,253 --> 01:37:07,854
[applause]
1709
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:13,159
[Janet] I didn't go to Plato,
my mum not being well.
1710
01:37:13,194 --> 01:37:15,294
She was on dialysis at the time.
1711
01:37:15,329 --> 01:37:17,630
Lee didn't really want
to face the fact
1712
01:37:17,665 --> 01:37:22,235
that we was gonna lose
Mum because he'd lost Issie.
1713
01:37:22,270 --> 01:37:23,536
He wasn't...
1714
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:28,374
dealing with Mum not being well.
1715
01:37:30,244 --> 01:37:32,278
[somber music playing]
1716
01:37:39,153 --> 01:37:42,055
[Gary] After my grandmother,
Joyce, had passed away...
1717
01:37:44,125 --> 01:37:45,592
he was in really bad shape.
1718
01:37:46,994 --> 01:37:48,261
[Janet] Lee was distraught.
1719
01:37:49,096 --> 01:37:51,931
We were sitting in the
living room at my dad's...
1720
01:37:53,167 --> 01:37:56,202
and he didn't look
hisself at all, Lee.
1721
01:37:57,405 --> 01:38:01,441
We was all taking
my mum's passing bad,
1722
01:38:02,343 --> 01:38:05,311
but I think we was
all worried about Lee,
1723
01:38:05,346 --> 01:38:07,247
because obviously,
Mum and Lee...
1724
01:38:09,984 --> 01:38:12,218
Lee idolized my mum.
1725
01:38:23,164 --> 01:38:27,934
The last job he gave me to do
was designing the gravestone.
1726
01:38:29,103 --> 01:38:32,138
He liked the idea like the wings
wrapping round a gravestone
1727
01:38:32,173 --> 01:38:34,674
to kind of embrace
my grandmother, Joyce.
1728
01:38:36,444 --> 01:38:38,444
Originally, I had the hands,
1729
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,680
which were facing down
on top of the gravestone...
1730
01:38:41,482 --> 01:38:43,683
but the hands for him,
facing down,
1731
01:38:44,151 --> 01:38:46,619
was holding them down.
1732
01:38:46,654 --> 01:38:49,656
He want them uplifted,
so he turned the hands upwards.
1733
01:38:54,228 --> 01:38:55,395
[Janet] I called Lee,
1734
01:38:56,197 --> 01:38:57,263
and...
1735
01:38:58,766 --> 01:39:02,635
we spoke about Mum's funeral,
1736
01:39:02,670 --> 01:39:07,273
and... and that was
the last conversation.
1737
01:39:23,257 --> 01:39:26,692
The night, I was in bed,
I was reading,
1738
01:39:26,727 --> 01:39:29,996
and I felt something
touch my head...
1739
01:39:32,033 --> 01:39:34,734
very softly and very gently
touch my head,
1740
01:39:34,769 --> 01:39:38,538
and I said to myself,
"Who's here? Who are you?"
1741
01:39:38,773 --> 01:39:43,242
You know, I knew someone had
passed and was saying goodbye.
1742
01:40:02,830 --> 01:40:07,100
I got a call
at half past nine in the morning
1743
01:40:07,435 --> 01:40:08,501
from my sister,
1744
01:40:08,836 --> 01:40:11,337
and then that phone call...
1745
01:40:13,407 --> 01:40:15,608
just... changed...
1746
01:40:17,244 --> 01:40:18,144
everything.
1747
01:40:19,713 --> 01:40:21,647
I really couldn't
believe what I was hearing,
1748
01:40:21,682 --> 01:40:25,151
because it just seemed
so surreal in that moment.
1749
01:40:27,655 --> 01:40:30,523
Just a vision in my mind
1750
01:40:30,558 --> 01:40:33,392
of Lee being sort of all alone
1751
01:40:33,427 --> 01:40:36,429
and doing that as well
was playing through my mind,
1752
01:40:36,464 --> 01:40:37,663
and it's quite...
1753
01:40:40,534 --> 01:40:43,769
it's not the nicest way to go,
you know,
1754
01:40:43,804 --> 01:40:45,738
suicide, alone, hanging.
1755
01:40:46,774 --> 01:40:47,673
It's...
1756
01:40:49,643 --> 01:40:52,478
Don't want to think really
what was going through his mind,
1757
01:40:52,513 --> 01:40:55,148
how lonely he must
have been as well doing it.
1758
01:41:04,625 --> 01:41:06,492
[TV 1]
The fashion
world is in shock tonight
1759
01:41:06,527 --> 01:41:08,561
over the news
that Alexander McQueen...
1760
01:41:08,596 --> 01:41:10,863
[TV 2]
Alexander McQueen,
the darling
of British fashion,
1761
01:41:10,898 --> 01:41:12,364
has been found
dead after apparent...
1762
01:41:12,399 --> 01:41:13,733
[TV 3]
Alexander McQueen...
1763
01:41:18,205 --> 01:41:22,375
[overlapping TV
reports in multiple languages]
1764
01:41:29,884 --> 01:41:31,384
[Pons]
He used to say that a lot--
1765
01:41:31,619 --> 01:41:35,421
one day, I'm gonna come home
1766
01:41:35,789 --> 01:41:37,356
inside a body bag...
1767
01:41:39,426 --> 01:41:40,860
and that day when...
1768
01:41:43,497 --> 01:41:45,765
the news open again that day...
1769
01:41:46,767 --> 01:41:49,469
him leaving his house
inside a body bag.
1770
01:41:56,377 --> 01:42:01,480
[Barton] I'd taken my kids
to Hamleys' hundredth-year
celebration,
1771
01:42:01,515 --> 01:42:04,450
and my partner
picked me up and said,
1772
01:42:04,485 --> 01:42:06,552
I've got--
[tearfully] I can't do it.
1773
01:42:06,587 --> 01:42:08,621
Just be wast-- I just cry.
1774
01:42:08,656 --> 01:42:12,358
He said, "Lee's dead," and...
1775
01:42:12,860 --> 01:42:14,527
it was just such a shock,
1776
01:42:14,562 --> 01:42:18,330
and I was so angry
for a really long time.
1777
01:42:18,365 --> 01:42:20,633
'Cause you think just,
"How do you--
1778
01:42:21,202 --> 01:42:23,469
How did that happen?" He's...
1779
01:42:25,272 --> 01:42:26,405
I think that...
1780
01:42:28,742 --> 01:42:31,710
perhaps after my mum went
1781
01:42:31,745 --> 01:42:35,214
that he felt there was nothing
1782
01:42:35,249 --> 01:42:37,316
that could make him
happy anymore.
1783
01:42:38,419 --> 01:42:42,155
And I just think
it was in that moment that...
1784
01:42:44,358 --> 01:42:46,559
he had that emptiness.
1785
01:42:48,696 --> 01:42:50,496
I miss him a lot, yeah.
1786
01:42:51,565 --> 01:42:54,500
I miss that...
that, you know...
1787
01:42:55,302 --> 01:42:58,304
he could've had some really
great happiness in his life
1788
01:42:58,339 --> 01:43:01,540
and he didn't quite
have that in his personal life,
1789
01:43:01,575 --> 01:43:05,678
and that's what I
wish... wished for him most.
1790
01:43:06,447 --> 01:43:07,446
Yeah.
1791
01:43:11,785 --> 01:43:17,223
I'm so happy I got to...
to meet him
1792
01:43:17,258 --> 01:43:18,791
and to...
1793
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,895
to share part of my life
1794
01:43:22,930 --> 01:43:25,531
with his story, and everything.
1795
01:43:26,867 --> 01:43:27,900
But I miss him.
1796
01:43:28,369 --> 01:43:29,735
I wish...
1797
01:43:30,938 --> 01:43:33,839
things ended in a different way.
1798
01:43:37,611 --> 01:43:39,645
[piano music playing]
1799
01:43:49,890 --> 01:43:52,024
[Sykes] He wanted to make
really beautiful things,
1800
01:43:52,059 --> 01:43:53,592
and he was--
sculpted in clothing.
1801
01:43:53,627 --> 01:43:55,594
He was a sculptor, really,
I think,
1802
01:43:55,629 --> 01:43:57,563
and that's where
that silhouette came from.
1803
01:43:59,533 --> 01:44:02,668
[Chai-Hyde] His clothes made me
feel that you could be feminine,
1804
01:44:02,703 --> 01:44:05,704
but at the same time,
"Don't fuck with me.
1805
01:44:05,739 --> 01:44:06,839
I'm a bitch."
1806
01:44:06,874 --> 01:44:08,274
[laughing]
1807
01:44:10,678 --> 01:44:14,947
[Pons] Things I remember best
is seeing him working.
1808
01:44:15,616 --> 01:44:19,785
It was magical. For me,
it was like a magician.
1809
01:44:23,891 --> 01:44:26,058
[Sykes] One outfit
would just be insane,
1810
01:44:26,093 --> 01:44:28,794
and then the next one
would just be genius.
1811
01:44:30,731 --> 01:44:33,966
[Danan] Nobody could create
emotions in a show
1812
01:44:34,001 --> 01:44:36,269
like Lee McQueen did.
1813
01:44:38,939 --> 01:44:42,708
[Gary] Fashion for Lee was a way
of communicating a whole world,
1814
01:44:42,743 --> 01:44:45,511
and he wanted to take himself
out of the picture
1815
01:44:45,546 --> 01:44:49,282
and for people to focus
on this art Lee's creating.
1816
01:44:51,018 --> 01:44:52,951
[Costin] Raucous, bolshie,
1817
01:44:52,986 --> 01:44:55,854
incredibly funny,
incredibly driven.
1818
01:44:55,889 --> 01:44:57,623
Not only did he have
a singular vision,
1819
01:44:57,658 --> 01:45:00,592
but he was
a very singular individual,
1820
01:45:00,627 --> 01:45:04,730
and his strength of personality
was quite phenomenal.
1821
01:45:05,632 --> 01:45:07,466
You don't see
many people like that.
1822
01:45:08,068 --> 01:45:09,935
They don't come up very often.
1823
01:45:15,142 --> 01:45:17,376
[chamber music playing]
1824
01:48:08,282 --> 01:48:11,750
[chamber music stops suddenly,
piano music]
1825
01:50:57,084 --> 01:51:00,352
[music ends]
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