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Welcome to the White House,
everybody.
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Tonight, it is my great pleasure
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to present America's highest
award for popular music
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to a living legend, Carole King.
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She's passionate. As a musician,
she's brilliant.
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As a songwriter,
she's brilliant
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and intellectually,
she's right at the top.
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I think she's one of the greatest
American songwriters of our time.
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And her voice touches us
because it's honest.
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By the age of four, Carole was
already mastering the piano.
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By 15, she'd already conducted
her first orchestra.
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By 17, she'd already written
her first number-one hit,
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Will You Love Me Tomorrow,
with Gerry Goffin.
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So at this point, all of you
are feeling like underachievers,
I understand.
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LAUGHTER
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She really has her finger on the
pulse of, er...of human emotions.
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And she can paint them in a song.
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And then, in 1971 came the biggest
break of all
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when she showed the world that
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she couldn't just write hit songs,
she could sing them, too.
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If Carole had never written
a song after that era,
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she would still be a legend.
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If Tapestry had never happened,
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she'd be one of the most important
people in rock'n'roll history.
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So the fact that she pulled off
that whole other career, you know,
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er...is just mindboggling.
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Nobody else has done
what she's done.
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Her album, Tapestry, struck a chord
with a whole new legion of fans.
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Carole has written more
than 400 compositions
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that have been
recorded by over 1,000 artists,
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resulting in over 100 hits.
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As Carole tells it, the secret
to her success is that,
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"I try to get out of the way
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"and let the process be guided
by whatever is driving me."
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That's what makes her songs
so personal
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and so powerful. So enduring.
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She has a quality of...
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sympathy and..and...normalcy,
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but in fact, it's accompanied
by also a quality of genius.
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Carole King.
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RAPTUROUS APPLAUSE
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You've got to get up every morning
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With a smile on your face
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And show the world
all the love in your heart
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Then people going
to treat you better
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You're going to find, yes, you will
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That you're beautiful
as you feel.
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APPLAUSE
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My mother had a piano, you know,
right from before I was born.
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And so I was able to play it
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and work on it by ear
and write little ditties.
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But my mother also had been trained
in piano,
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so she trained me so I knew how
to read music, as well.
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I know some music theory.
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My mother and father both were
supportive and were can-do people.
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I just started writing little tunes
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and then when rock'n'roll
was being born with Alan Freed,
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I was hearing the music and thinking,
"I could do that!"
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Every high school in Brooklyn during
the '50s had a rock'n'roll group.
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They were all over the place.
They were proliferating.
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Danny and the Juniors
were singing in the Bronx
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and Neil Sedaka
at that time with The Tokens,
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was singing out
of Lincoln High School.
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Well, there must have been
something in the water
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but a lot of people have achieved
fame or notoriety
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as songwriters and singers
and recording artists.
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Barbra Streisand grew up in Brooklyn
around the same time.
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Neil Diamond, Neil Sedaka,
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though I didn't know any of them
except Neil Sedaka.
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We started the Cosines,
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which I believe she got the idea for
in junior high school.
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The name of the quartet, it was
so imaginative, the Cosines.
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And we were taking trigonometry
at the time.
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We performed at school dances
and parties.
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Anywhere we kind of had a chance
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or, you know, school shows.
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She was the singer,
she was the writer,
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she was the piano player
for the group.
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And she wanted this.
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She wanted this as a career.
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In those days, you could be a kid,
as Carole was,
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16 years old, coming from Brooklyn,
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you could be a kid and go into 1650
Broadway or into the Brill Building,
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one of the two buildings
people think of
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when they're talking about
the Brill Building Sound.
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And I'd always been fascinated
by that culture,
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which is to say an office building
in New York City, in Times Square,
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that used to be where the
Tin Pan Alley songwriters
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came in the '20s
to sell their songs.
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And now, in the '50s, was taken over
by kids, teenagers, a lot of them,
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to create the new sound
of rock'n'roll.
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You could knock on a door,
you could get a producer
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or someone in the business
to listen to your song.
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There were pianos in all
those offices.
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She came in,
she played her piano for people.
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And they'd hear the song and they'd
think, "OK, I can sell that song."
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And I was in the waiting room
and there was this kid there.
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She looked like she was about
15 years old, in jeans.
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And I started to talk with her.
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And I thought to myself,
"God, this girl is so confident."
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And I said to myself,
"If this girl has talent,
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"she's going to be a huge star."
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And it happened to be Carole.
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She was simply being paid
to write songs
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for top groups that needed songs.
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Because in those days, there were
very few singer/songwriters.
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That phenomenon had not yet really
occurred.
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It was made-to-order song writing.
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You were either writing
for a specific artist
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or you were writing a song
that the publisher
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you were working for
would go out and shop
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to various singers.
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There was a breakdown in those days
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between who wrote the song
and who sang it.
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There's a lot of things I want
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A lot of things that I'd like to be
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But, girl, I don't foresee
a rags-to-riches story...
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I was going to be a teacher
and marry some nice doctor.
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Instead, I married Gerry Goffin.
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There's just one little dream
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I've got to make come true
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There's just one round
I've got to win
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I can't be a loser with you
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Baby, baby, just once in my life
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Let me get what I want...
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He definitely came at a time
in my life
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when I needed somebody to write
better lyrics than,
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"Baby, baby, baby, baby sitting."
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There's a myth we used
to write in the Brill Building.
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We actually wrote in 1650 Broadway.
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Aldon Music was a music-publishing
company
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that was started by two fellas.
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Don Kirshner and Al Nevins.
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So the name is Al and Don together.
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And they built up such
a great reputation.
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Don Kirshner was the best publisher
that I've ever come across.
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And their company became
so powerful
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that he would get record companies
to promise him
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the backside of a record
just to get our material.
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In those days,
records had two sides.
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That's right. There were things
called records, too.
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I forgot that! They had two sides.
Right.
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Donny Kirshner,
who was a great publisher
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who had a really good ear, um...that
group of writers,
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Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil,
Howie Greenfield,
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Neil Sedaka, Carole, Gerry,
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and some others in that group,
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they had 36 top-ten records
in three years.
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All of us then were fans
of American music
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and would study every detail
of the label.
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And, of course, the names Goffin
and King
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kept occurring in those
little brackets
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under some of our very
favourite songs.
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Goffin and King
wrote songs to order.
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It was like, OK, somebody needs
a hit, you write the song.
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I hate the word "factory."
I really hate it.
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It was a songwriting school.
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You went in in the morning
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and you went to your cubicle
or your little office.
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There was a piano there.
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One of you sat there and the other
one jotted down some words.
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And you both sang or one of you sang
and you tried to come up with songs.
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I like that but it's got to be
harder.
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You know, when we write the
lyrics to it, it will be different.
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La-la La-la La-la La-la La-la.
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Let's sing again.
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La-la La-la La-la.
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On the right side of the main room,
there were about four
different cubicles
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and the cubicles
would have an upright piano
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and a piano stool
and one chair and an ashtray
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because everybody
smoked like crazy back then.
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And it's amazing
we didn't get cancer.
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There's still time! Thank you!
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Cynthia Weil and Barry Mann,
who was her husband,
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and Gerry Goffin and I,
who were at that time married,
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were a pair of writing teams
that wrote for Don Kirshner.
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They would write a song they picked,
they'd start and finish.
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There was no, let's work
on it for a few days
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and see what we come up with.
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There was none of that.
They would start, they would finish.
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Some of the best songs you ever
heard done in 20 minutes,
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half an hour, 45 minutes.
Unbelievable, you know.
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It came surprisingly quickly.
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It was a craft to finish them off,
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but we already had the model
in front of us
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in the last hit
that that artist had.
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So all we had to do
was catch the mood.
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It wasn't too hard to do for us.
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It was a lot of fun too.
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It would be very competitive.
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With Carol and Gerry we ended up
being really good friends
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but at the same time,
we would be jealous of each other
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if the other team got the record.
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And that was very confusing to us
because as friends we loved them.
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But if they got the record,
we hated them!
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'Will You Love Me Tomorrow' was a
follow-up to a hit by The Shirelles.
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Their hit was
'Tonight's The Night'.
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In writing 'Will You Love me
Tomorrow',
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we tried to write 'Tonight's The
Night' sideways and upside down,
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so it had some of the same feeling
and yet was a new idea.
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Tonight you're mine completely
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You give your love so sweetly.
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Tonight the light of love
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Is in your eyes
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But will you love me tomorrow.
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There's a reason why
that song has lasted
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and why people keep
coming back to it.
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There's an extraordinary
beauty in it
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and a kind of emotional texture
that you might not ordinarily
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hear in something you would
think of as a pop hit.
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We had at that time one child.
That was in '61. That was Louise.
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Sherry wasn't born until '62.
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Gerry was working as a chemist
to support the family.
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I was at home with the child.
The traditional male-female roles.
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We were also writing to try
and make it to free ourselves
from the nine to five,
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except I was still taking care
of the child and the house as well.
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But that was fine.
It worked out fine.
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This was pre-Beatles, so a lot
of pop music was bubble gum music.
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And a lot of it was... I don't know.
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There wasn't a lot going on in pop
music and they stood out completely.
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I'd like to know that your love
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Is a love I can be sure of
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So tell me now
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And I won't ask again.
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Will you still love me tomorrow.
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Gerry Goffin wrote those words
from a woman's perspective.
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But Carole wrote this incredibly
beautiful music that has this drama
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of that moment of making
your sexual passage.
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So tell me now
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And I won't ask again
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Will you still love me tomorrow.
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'Will You Love Me Tomorrow' was a big
hit and it went to number one
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and we were delighted because then
we could devote ourselves
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to working on songs full-time.
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Carole's melodies are sometimes
more joyful than Gerry's lyrics.
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The lyrics can sometimes have
a lot of darkness in it
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that she sets off with a more
optimistic melody.
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Take good care of my baby
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Now don't you ever make her cry
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Just let your love surround her
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Paint a rainbow all around her
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Don't let her see your cloudy sky
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Once upon a time
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That little girl was mine.
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If I'd been true
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I know she'd never be with you
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So take good care of my baby
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Be just as kind as you can be
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And if you should discover
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That you don't really love her
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Just send my baby
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Back home to me.
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We were so into writing for other
artists that after 'Take Good
Care Of My Baby' was written
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we liked the demo I did
on it so much
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that we did another demo
in that mode.
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I think we were going to give that to
Bobby Vee but we said no,
let's put this one out.
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And that was my first record
as an artist
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called 'It Might As Well
Rain Until September'.
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What should I write
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What can I say
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How can I tell you
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How much I miss you
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The weather here
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Has been as nice as it can be
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Although it doesn't really
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Matter much to me
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For all the fun I'll have
268
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While you're so far away
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It might as well rain
until September.
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We got to the point where we
were spending a lot of time
in the studio making demos
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and I used to bring Louise to the
studio in her little playpen.
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And it got kind of hard to do both
273
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so Little Eva came to stay
with Louise
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and people had the impression
she was pushing a broom
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around the kitchen one day,
singing
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and we heard her sing and said,
"Stop! We must record that voice."
277
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But the fact of the matter is,
we knew she could sing
when she came to work for us
278
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and it was just a matter of time
before we were going to have her
singing some of our demos.
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Everybody's doing
a brand new dance now
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(Come on baby do the loco-motion)
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I know you'll get to like it
if you give it a chance now
282
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(Come on baby do the loco-motion)
283
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My little baby sister
can do it with ease
284
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It's easier than learning your ABCs
285
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So come, on come on
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Do the loco-motion with me.
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There never was a dance
the loco-motion until after it was
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a number one hit record and everybody
says, how does this dance go?
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So Little Eva had to make up
a dance!
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Chains
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My baby's got me
locked up in chains
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And they ain't the kind
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That you can see.
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The original image was that old
street corner music, you know.
295
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Three people standing there
just doing it in harmony,
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which we do in concert sometimes.
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Chains
298
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My baby's got me
locked up in chains
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And they ain't the kind
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That you can see
301
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Oh-oh, these chains of love
302
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Got a hold on me
303
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Yeah.
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When the Beatles started
to write songs,
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I have no question
they looked to Goffin and King
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and they overtly spoke of Goffin
and King as among
their inspirations.
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Chains
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I can't break away
from these chains
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Can't run around
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Cos I'm not free.
311
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I thought it was really neat
when the Beatles did my song 'Chains'
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because they were this big
phenomenon in this country
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and everybody was going, "Oh, wow!"
And "They're great song writers."
314
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Gerry and I had written
'Chains' for The Cookies
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and had a record with it here
and then they went and did it.
316
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I sort of feel like I'm still
learning things about Carole King.
317
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I mean, this woman wrote
so many amazing songs.
318
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I walked home and she held my hand
319
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I knew it couldn't be
just a one-night stand
320
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So I asked to see her next week
and she told me I could
321
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(I asked to see her
and she told me I could)
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Something tells me
I'm into something good
323
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(Something tells me
I'm into something)
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Something tells me
I'm into something good
325
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(Something tells me
I'm into something)
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To something good
327
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Oh, yeah.
328
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I remember making a suggestion
about writing something
about a secret place.
329
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Some place somebody goes, you know.
Where do you go?
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In New York,
where we lived at the time,
331
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one of the few places you could go
to get away was up on the roof.
332
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When this old world
starts getting me down
333
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And people are just too much
334
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For me to face
335
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I climb way up
to the top of the stairs
336
00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:08,860
And all my cares just drift
337
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Right into space
338
00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:18,940
On the roof's
the only place I know
339
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Where you just have to wish
to make it so
340
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Let's go up on the roof
341
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Up on the roof.
342
00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:35,700
My mum wanted to live
in the suburbs.
343
00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:38,940
My dad probably would have loved
to live in the West Village
344
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or in New York City somewhere.
345
00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,980
But my mum just wanted to be
a normal housewife.
346
00:19:44,980 --> 00:19:48,300
So all I remember is this
house in West Orange, New Jersey,
347
00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:51,740
and having these two
kind of weird-ish parents,
348
00:19:51,740 --> 00:19:54,940
compared to the other
parents on the street.
349
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She was traditional
in the sense
350
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that she wanted
a house in the suburbs.
351
00:19:59,260 --> 00:20:02,220
That was what she thought
her life would be.
352
00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:06,220
She also was the only person our age
I knew who played mahjong.
353
00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:07,980
She said you'll find out that even
354
00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:10,340
when I was a teenager
I was an old Jewish lady.
355
00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:12,460
That's what I was
right from the beginning.
356
00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:16,500
So she wanted a house and a tree
and the yard and the kids
357
00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:18,580
and the dog and the cat.
358
00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:20,500
That is so much who she is
359
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:24,820
and I think that's why people
feel connected to her.
360
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You make me feel.
361
00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:30,300
Jerry Wexler presented Gerry Goffin
and me with the title
362
00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:32,220
and said I need something for Aretha.
363
00:20:32,220 --> 00:20:34,220
Here's the title - 'Natural Woman'.
364
00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,500
Then he rolls up
the window in his limo
365
00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:38,660
and drives off and we were like, OK.
366
00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:44,740
When my soul was in
the lost and found
367
00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:50,660
You came around to claim it
368
00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:58,220
I didn't know just
what was wrong with me
369
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Until your kiss helped me name it
370
00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:10,540
Now I'm no longer doubtful
of what I'm living for
371
00:21:11,660 --> 00:21:15,820
Cos if I make you happy
Do I need to do more
372
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Because you make me feel
373
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You make me feel
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You make me feel
like a natural woman.
375
00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:35,300
'Natural Woman'.
That is a Gerry Goffin lyric.
376
00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:41,140
That is a man writing about what
a woman feels, which is incredible.
377
00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:44,380
That's how great he was
as a lyricist.
378
00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:47,940
"When my soul was in the lost and
found you came along to claim it."
379
00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:52,940
Those words, how he packed all that
emotion in those words is a miracle.
380
00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:56,100
For Carole to sing a song,
or anyone,
381
00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,860
that Aretha Franklin had sung
382
00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:04,500
is, you know,
I mean, that takes something.
383
00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:07,180
Carole's voice is so personal,
384
00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:11,100
it really seemed as if you were
reading something
385
00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:13,380
written in someone's soul.
386
00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:19,580
Oh, baby, what you done to me
387
00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:28,340
You make me feel so good inside
388
00:22:31,740 --> 00:22:36,100
And I just want to be
389
00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:40,180
Close to you
390
00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:44,220
You make me feel so alive
391
00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:52,660
You make me feel
392
00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:59,620
You make me feel like a natural
393
00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:02,820
Natural woman.
394
00:23:02,820 --> 00:23:06,500
It was socially conscious writing
without the sledgehammer.
395
00:23:06,500 --> 00:23:09,940
"Another pleasant valley Sunday
here in status symbol land."
396
00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:11,900
You know?
397
00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:16,500
Lyrics like that that are a comment
398
00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,820
and yet were very much attuned
to the times and very much
399
00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:25,580
reflective of that he and Carole had
moved to the New Jersey suburbs.
400
00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:29,260
Rows of houses
that are all the same
401
00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:32,860
And no-one seems to care.
402
00:23:34,340 --> 00:23:38,380
I think he felt that he was
trapped in suburbia
403
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:42,380
and 'Pleasant Valley Sunday'
was his anthem of rebellion.
404
00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:46,540
See Mrs Gray she's proud today
405
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:49,300
Because her roses are in bloom
406
00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:53,940
And Mr Green he's so serene
407
00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:57,300
He's got a TV in every room
408
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:04,260
Another Pleasant Valley Sunday
409
00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:07,940
Here in status symbol land.
410
00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:12,180
I remember being so impressed
when my mum and dad
411
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:14,580
had a song on The Monkees album
412
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:17,340
because The Monkees
were all that then.
413
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:20,740
And I do remember Davy Jones came
over to our house one time,
414
00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:23,140
which just floored me.
415
00:24:23,140 --> 00:24:26,500
At six years old,
Davy Jones was, you know,
416
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,820
he's the perfect height
for a six-year-old!
417
00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:35,740
But he was just
the whole world to me.
418
00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:39,220
Those songs are, to my mind,
they are masterpieces, you know.
419
00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:47,060
Without the self-consciousness of
Dylan or something like that,
420
00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:51,340
you can go back and revisit those
songs and really enjoy them
421
00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:54,420
and find a lot of meaning in them.
422
00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:56,540
There's a lot of forgiveness
in her music.
423
00:24:56,540 --> 00:24:58,740
There's a lot of compassion
in her music.
424
00:24:58,740 --> 00:25:01,020
But forgiveness is a key thing.
425
00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:03,740
She goes through a real break-up
in her life.
426
00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:07,740
Her husband has been unfaithful
to her more than once.
427
00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,780
She loved him a lot. He loved her
too but it couldn't work.
428
00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:13,300
They were married very young,
very young,
429
00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:17,340
when they were teenagers
because she got pregnant.
430
00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:21,020
And that infidelity came out
of a real frustration that they
431
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:25,060
had been married for four years
and Gerry was still only 23.
432
00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:27,700
They had been surrounded by,
he was a very handsome guy,
433
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:30,380
there were a lot of beautiful
women around all the time
434
00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:32,780
and he told Carole about it
before he did it.
435
00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:35,220
It's one of the interesting
things about the story.
436
00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:37,300
He kind of asked for her permission.
437
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:42,460
I remember the divorce happened
simultaneous with the move to LA.
438
00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:45,980
They were splitting up
and moving into separate houses
439
00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:49,540
as we moved to LA
from our house together.
440
00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:53,340
And I just thought, "Oh, cool,
we're going to have two houses!
441
00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:55,700
"That's going to be so cool."
442
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:58,780
It didn't hit me like, "Oh, my God,
my parents are splitting up."
443
00:25:58,780 --> 00:26:01,180
And they kept writing together.
444
00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:04,300
Even after they split up
they would get together
445
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:08,340
and write often enough to me that it
looked like there was harmony.
446
00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:13,180
It was like part of our family
was being taken away from us.
447
00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:15,540
It was very disturbing for us.
448
00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:18,540
And I worried about her
and I worried about the kids
449
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:20,500
and I worried about him.
450
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:22,780
and what was going to happen
to everybody.
451
00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:27,460
I moved to California in about 1968
and James Taylor
452
00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:30,660
was just in the process of coming
over with Peter Asher
453
00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:35,980
and Charles Larkey, who I had known
back East was moving there also.
454
00:26:35,980 --> 00:26:41,220
So James's guitar player
was Danny Kootch.
455
00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:44,620
We all were looking at California
as the place to be.
456
00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:47,660
One year ago you were cycling home
from school in London
457
00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:50,500
at four in the afternoon
and it was raining and dark,
458
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:53,700
and suddenly you're in a Mustang
convertible and it's not raining,
459
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,540
it's not dark and there are
beautiful blondes everywhere.
460
00:26:56,540 --> 00:26:59,260
And you go, this is
probably an improvement!
461
00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:00,980
I think this is a good move!
462
00:27:00,980 --> 00:27:03,860
Most of the musicians
in New York, they did pit bands,
463
00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:06,700
they did work for the Broadway
shows, things like that.
464
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:08,740
In LA, everyone was doing
rock 'n' roll.
465
00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:13,380
They were making Jan and Dean
records, Beach Boys records.
So it was very different.
466
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:15,980
It was a very exciting scene
at the time.
467
00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:19,060
We were all friends
and liked to play the same music.
468
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:22,060
Before too long I found myself
teamed up professionally
469
00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:24,100
and personally with Charles Larkey.
470
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:27,180
Charles Larkey moved in with us.
471
00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:32,060
He was my stepdad.
He moved into Wonderland with us.
472
00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:39,340
When the sun comes up
in the canyon
473
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:48,700
And you are feeling lost
and abandoned
474
00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:56,420
Some stranger may knock
upon your door.
475
00:27:56,420 --> 00:28:00,660
I was contacted by Carole when
she moved out here from New York.
476
00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:03,220
She didn't know a lot
of people out here,
477
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:06,020
or a lot of people in the
music industry for sure.
478
00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:10,380
She had gotten together
with Danny Kortchmar
479
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:14,740
and Charlie Larkey
as a group called The City.
480
00:28:14,740 --> 00:28:19,500
That's the first thing I recorded
with Carole on the West Coast.
481
00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,620
'Now That Everything's Been Said'
was the name of the album.
482
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:27,060
Lou produced. We recorded it at
a studio on Gower in Hollywood.
483
00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:29,540
It was the first album I played on.
484
00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:31,980
The first full-length album
I had ever played on.
485
00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:36,380
And certainly, I had never
met anyone like Lou, who was
a brilliant record producer.
486
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:41,300
My friend and mentor, Bert
Schneider, had been encouraging me
487
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:46,660
to write lyrics and Carole had
just divorced from her husband.
488
00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:48,780
She had come into Bert's office
489
00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:51,420
and he was producing
The Monkees movie.
490
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:53,500
Bert pulled the lyrics
out of his desk,
491
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:56,740
handed them to Carol and she said,
"They're good, did you write them?"
492
00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:58,860
He said, "No, my friend Toni did."
493
00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:02,420
And we just got along well and
I remember feeling good about it
494
00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:04,340
and obviously she did too.
495
00:29:04,340 --> 00:29:07,260
She became my writing partner
from that night on
496
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:09,740
and we worked together
for around five years.
497
00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:11,460
The City album probably happened
498
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:14,460
because Carole didn't want to be
a solo artist.
499
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:17,780
And Charlie and Kootch,
Danny Kortchmar,
500
00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:21,940
probably talked her
into recording as a group.
501
00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:26,300
The thing I remember about The City
is the songs are wonderful.
502
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:30,740
Remember the tempo. They were just
getting their sea legs as a band.
503
00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:34,980
If you listen closely
you can see the roots,
504
00:29:34,980 --> 00:29:37,100
or the beginnings of 'Tapestry'.
505
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,740
How come you want to leave me here
506
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:43,220
Is there something else
I should know
507
00:29:43,220 --> 00:29:47,220
You may think it's strange
I never noticed the change
508
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:49,620
That made you want
to get up and go
509
00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:53,100
Get up and go
510
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,940
Now that everything's been said
511
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,740
# Now that everything's been done
512
00:29:59,740 --> 00:30:06,340
How come you want
to leave me here.
513
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:11,300
I would write the lyrics first,
I would give it to Carole
514
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:15,340
and she would write the melodies
to my lyrics in an hour.
515
00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:19,620
Including the arrangement.
516
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:25,700
The first thing that I envisioned
with Carole after The City album,
517
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:30,060
which I had to treat as a group,
518
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:35,260
was a solo artist
that you always felt,
519
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:39,100
she was sitting at the piano
and singing to you.
520
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,580
That was the basis of 'Tapestry'.
521
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:44,180
At the time the
'Tapestry' album came,
522
00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:47,980
James was also doing his second album
which was the 'Sweet Baby James'
523
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:51,620
album and so Peter was working
with James in one studio
524
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:54,820
and Lou was working with me
and Charles in the other studio.
525
00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:56,940
Lou was the kind of guy,
526
00:30:56,940 --> 00:31:00,380
he likes to have things
very cool and very quiet.
527
00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:02,340
No fuss, no muss.
528
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:06,300
Whatever had to be done with Carole,
they would discuss it in the office.
529
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:08,980
When they got to the studio,
530
00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:12,780
I got into the room
and it was up to Carole.
531
00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:17,740
A & M was located on the corner
of Sunset and La Brea
532
00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:21,620
and it's a former Charlie Chaplin
Studios, which isn't bad to
533
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:25,780
have that sort of vibe going,
if you will.
534
00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:29,660
The Carpenters were in studio
A, and they were creating.
535
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:32,100
Joni Mitchell doing
'Blue' in studio C.
536
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,260
She liked that small intimate room.
537
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:35,940
Carole was here.
538
00:31:35,940 --> 00:31:41,020
We were making a good record. We
knew that. It was a simple record.
539
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:45,140
Records like 'Tapestry' could
be overproduced in a minute.
540
00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:48,940
Let's add more guitars,
let's add more of this or that.
541
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:51,620
Lou and Carole wanted
that simplicity.
542
00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:53,900
They wanted it to be nice and warm
543
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,660
and a very comfortable record
for people to enjoy.
544
00:31:57,660 --> 00:32:01,220
I feel the earth move under my feet
545
00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:04,100
I feel the sky tumbling down
546
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:08,660
I feel my heart start to trembling
547
00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:14,700
Whenever you're around.
548
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:21,580
I wanted it to stay that simple
and always have that feeling that
549
00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:24,180
Carole was singing to you
and playing the piano.
550
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:28,820
We turned all the lights down in
the room, all the lights we are
551
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:31,900
seeing and all the background
lights down and all that stuff.
552
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,300
Everything was what makes
an artist comfortable
553
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:39,780
so you had all of that ambiance
and environment going.
554
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:42,620
After a while they got
so comfortable with that,
555
00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:45,300
they were like playing
in their living room.
556
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,140
It felt a lot like family
557
00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:50,900
and everyone wanted everyone
else to succeed.
558
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:56,020
'Will You Love Me Tomorrow',
Joni and James sang background on.
559
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:58,580
James was on a lot of 'Tapestry'.
560
00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:01,540
If he wasn't singing,
he was playing.
561
00:33:01,540 --> 00:33:06,060
They were all friends. Joni
and James, they were all friendly.
562
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:10,020
It was fun. They would come in
and Carole knew what she wanted.
563
00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:14,060
When it comes to her music,
she is in control of what it's going
564
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,740
to be and how it's
going to come out.
565
00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:19,500
It's wonderful to work with her
and wonderful to work with
566
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:22,860
a person that has that kind
of confidence in what they want.
567
00:33:22,860 --> 00:33:26,540
A lot of the material
they are recording or the show
they are putting on,
568
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:31,660
it makes it really easy for
someone like me to find out what
they need and give it to them.
569
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:35,900
We were doing two or three tunes
a day. It's hard to imagine now.
570
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:41,860
The day we cut
'I Feel The Earth Move',
571
00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:43,580
we did two other tunes that day.
572
00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:49,860
It took us three weeks
to make 'Tapestry'. $22,000.
573
00:33:49,860 --> 00:33:53,900
She got involved
in every single part.
574
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,900
She had specific ideas of what
she wanted me to play.
575
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,500
Specific ideas for the
bass player to play.
576
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:04,060
I played the solos off the floor.
The solos were not even overdubbed.
They were just played live.
577
00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:06,700
I didn't have time to think about it
and it's a good thing
578
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,620
because if I'd thought about it,
I would've screwed them up.
579
00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:13,780
I didn't have time to think about
it. Carole just said, you play
a solo here, and I did.
580
00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:17,100
GUITAR SOLO
581
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:30,220
Vinyl used to have two sides.
582
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:33,380
There used to be a logical
place for a pause
583
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:38,020
and we as the creators of that
product had to build in
584
00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:41,580
a place for that pause
and I think that made for a really
585
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:46,100
interesting theatre almost, it would
be like the intermission in a play.
586
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:51,060
And then the actual sequencing
of an album is kind of a lost art.
587
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:54,460
Sequencing at that time
was very important
588
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:59,220
because you go through one side,
you turn it over
589
00:34:59,220 --> 00:35:05,740
and so all of that was based
on one person listening to it
590
00:35:05,740 --> 00:35:12,380
and not, how is this going to go
over with 25 million people?
591
00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:16,620
Lou saw what was going on and he
described it, in an interview,
592
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:18,740
he said this is going to be
the Love Story -
593
00:35:18,740 --> 00:35:21,180
Love Story at the time was
the big book and movie -
594
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:24,620
the Love Story of albums,
and he was right on the money.
595
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:27,500
As I watched in sorrow
596
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:30,460
There suddenly appeared
597
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:34,060
A figure grey and ghostly
598
00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:37,180
Beneath a flowing beard
599
00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:40,380
In times of deepest darkness
600
00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:43,980
I've seen him dressed in black
601
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:47,900
Now my tapestry's unravelling
602
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,940
He's come to take me back
603
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:55,420
He's come to take me back.
604
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:58,020
'Tapestry' was one of those albums
605
00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:03,220
that it come out
and it was everywhere immediately.
606
00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:06,660
Maybe 'Sgt Pepper' was the only
other experience, at least I've
607
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:11,220
ever had like that, where the
record appears and then suddenly
608
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:14,500
every song and everywhere you go,
people are playing it.
609
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,300
The album exploded.
610
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:19,540
It wasn't one of those where we
had to sit around and wait
611
00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:22,660
and see what was going to happen.
It truly exploded.
612
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:27,300
I was reading Rolling Stone
and there was a review of her album.
613
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,500
It was an incredible review.
614
00:36:29,500 --> 00:36:32,780
I went out and I bought the album
and I started listening to it
615
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:34,980
and her lyrics just blew me away.
616
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:39,420
I was so surprised.
She was a really good lyricist.
617
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:42,980
And I remember shopping in grocery
stores and hearing it.
618
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:44,940
And it's too late, baby.
619
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:47,380
And going, "I hear my mom's voice."
620
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:50,060
Oh, I thought
it was my mom calling me.
621
00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:53,260
The same timbre of voice
that goes "Sherry!"
622
00:36:53,260 --> 00:36:56,180
is the voice that was,
623
00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:58,180
Too late, baby.
624
00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:02,340
I hear my mom...
Oh, she's on the radio.
625
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:05,700
It was the right songs at the
right time for the audience
626
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:07,980
that was ready for them.
627
00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:10,580
They said everything that
people were feeling
628
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:12,740
and couldn't really express.
629
00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:15,060
She never did any press,
interviews, anything.
630
00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:19,020
She never brought any of that home
so it still felt like this
631
00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:24,420
thing was going on outside
of our world in the big world.
632
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:29,060
The transition from the '60s to the
'70s in the US was a very
complicated time.
633
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:35,780
I'm sure it was everywhere, but here
the Vietnam War was still raging.
634
00:37:35,780 --> 00:37:41,980
There were 550,000 American
troops in Vietnam in 1969.
635
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:45,060
Vietnam is not that big a country.
It's half a million troops.
636
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:51,700
There were still the after-effects
of the assassinations
637
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,220
of Robert Kennedy
and Martin Luther King.
638
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:58,660
There was still a lot of anger
in the atmosphere
639
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:01,740
and it was very unpleasant.
640
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:05,580
A very unpleasant period
in the history of America.
641
00:38:05,580 --> 00:38:09,540
'The great '60s ambitions,
the great utopian hopes,
642
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:13,300
'clearly weren't going
to materialise,'
643
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:17,100
so people began looking inward and
that was the singer-songwriter
movement.
644
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:21,460
Carole's record was so warm
and so welcoming
645
00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:26,500
and so made you feel that a friend
was taking care of you, and a
646
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:31,540
friend was saying things that you
were feeling, but couldn't express.
647
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:34,860
First of all,
it instantly touched me.
648
00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:41,340
It felt intimate and it felt like
she could be singing for me,
649
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:45,180
or I could be singing those
songs myself.
650
00:38:45,180 --> 00:38:50,060
I think it really hit home for
so many people, especially women.
651
00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:55,820
It was my go-to record for any
time I wanted to feel better.
652
00:38:55,820 --> 00:38:57,580
It was like a friend.
653
00:38:57,580 --> 00:39:01,460
The record was like having
a close friend
654
00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:04,740
and her voice was your girlfriend.
655
00:39:04,740 --> 00:39:06,660
It still affects women to this day
656
00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:10,420
because it wasn't trying to do
anything or trying to be anything.
657
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:14,780
It was a very honest album.
658
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:17,660
Carole has, to me,
one of the great voices,
659
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:21,420
but it's not classically
a great voice.
660
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:26,780
It's not like Aretha or Barbra
or Celine. It's not.
661
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:33,060
It's a voice that every woman
thinks she could have.
662
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:36,380
It's an art to be able to connect
with a listening audience
663
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:40,220
the way Carole did and I think
the simplicity of the songs and
664
00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:44,500
the simplicity of the arrangement
and the trueness of the emotion
665
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:47,900
that came out through them,
people could relate to that.
666
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:49,540
And they made it their own.
667
00:39:49,540 --> 00:39:52,860
It was an artist
expressing what she felt.
668
00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:57,940
That is what was different about it.
All of a sudden
669
00:39:57,940 --> 00:40:01,820
the artists were singing the songs
that they wrote about their lives.
670
00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:03,620
SONG: "It's Too Late"
671
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:07,140
Stayed in bed all morning
just to pass the time
672
00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:12,540
There's something wrong here
there can be no denying
673
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:15,300
One of us is changing
674
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:19,260
Or maybe we just stopped trying
675
00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:25,780
And it's too late baby now
676
00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:27,660
It's too late
677
00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:31,740
Though we really did try to make it
678
00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:36,140
Something inside has died
679
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:41,860
And I can't hide it
I just can't fake it
680
00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:46,740
Oh, no, no, no, no...
681
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:53,020
This is a song about disappointment,
682
00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:57,220
but the ever-youthful
optimism of youth.
683
00:40:57,220 --> 00:41:02,340
And I'm an optimistic person,
so the last verse addresses that,
684
00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:05,740
that we both have a future,
though not with one another.
685
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:07,540
That's what the song is about.
686
00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:11,900
There'll be good times again
for me and you
687
00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,300
But we just can't stay together
688
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,500
Don't you feel it too?
689
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,980
Still I'm glad for what we had
690
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:23,620
And how I once loved you...
691
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:24,820
You get it right.
692
00:41:24,820 --> 00:41:28,780
It's the right combination
of the songs, the lyrics,
693
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:33,860
the way Carole sang them,
the band, the way Lou did it.
694
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,420
Just everything came out right.
695
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:42,340
It's just one of those records
that couldn't be bettered.
696
00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:45,260
She was reluctant to go
out on the road for months
697
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:48,500
and leave her daughters
and to be gone.
698
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:52,820
She was very reluctant to go out.
She didn't want to tour.
699
00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:54,100
It was mixed for me.
700
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:57,180
There was times when she'd go
on the road and she would take us.
701
00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:01,180
That was a really special,
wonderful time for me.
702
00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,580
When she went on the road
and we couldn't go
703
00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:07,460
because we were in school, she left
us home with a friend of hers who
704
00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:10,460
was taking care of us. I would get
really...
705
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:14,220
I remember crying
listening to So Far Away,
706
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:16,220
like she was singing it to me.
707
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:21,860
What's your take on how difficult
it is for a woman to have a
708
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:24,300
career in the performing arts
709
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,500
and also maintain a family?
710
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,100
Very difficult.
Very difficult.
711
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:34,740
The only time, I guess, when I had
really young children, that I ever
was on tour, was with you.
712
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:39,580
I remember we were away for six
weeks, home for two weeks
713
00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:42,060
and then away for another six weeks.
714
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:45,100
And that six weeks was very
difficult.
715
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:46,460
SONG: "So Far Away"
716
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:50,460
So far away
717
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:56,980
Doesn't anybody stay
in one place any more?
718
00:42:56,980 --> 00:43:03,740
It would be so fine
to see your face at my door
719
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:07,620
It doesn't help to know
720
00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:11,500
You're just time away
721
00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:16,580
Long ago I reached for you and
722
00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:19,740
There you stood
723
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:21,740
Holding you again
724
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:25,140
Could only do me good...
725
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:27,380
I like that song a lot.
726
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:29,780
That song...
727
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:32,460
The part I'm playing on it's
incredibly simple
728
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:35,540
but that song meant a lot to me
because
729
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:37,540
I have spent my whole life
on the road
730
00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:42,580
and that brings
certain kind of, um...
731
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:44,660
a kind of weight to bear
732
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:47,020
when you're away from your family
and your loved ones.
733
00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:49,860
I've always had
confidence in the fact that
734
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:52,260
when I played music,
735
00:43:52,260 --> 00:43:55,660
it touched
people in some way and...
736
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:59,260
The place I didn't have confidence
was as a performer,
737
00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:01,460
that's where I had no confidence
738
00:44:01,460 --> 00:44:03,420
and that's where you came in.
739
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:05,500
It was James and me saying to
Carole,
740
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:09,180
"Look, would you sing some of them
to open the show?"
741
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,020
And she agreed to do so.
742
00:44:12,020 --> 00:44:15,140
She was very nervous,
she was scared.
743
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:18,500
She got over her stage fright
very quickly
744
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:23,340
because she had an incident
that happened when she
was performing at the Troubadour.
745
00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:26,980
She sits down and plays
one-and-a-half songs
746
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:29,660
and then Doug Weston, who owns
the Troubadour, says,
747
00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:33,020
"I'm sorry, we're going to have to
empty the building, we've had a bomb
threat."
748
00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:35,540
So we walked out and then
we came back in
749
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:39,220
and Carole sat down at the piano and
they cleared it and she said,
750
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:41,580
about the bomb,
751
00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:43,540
"As long as it's not me."
752
00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:47,780
That cracked the audience up and
she said from then on,
she was not nervous.
753
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:50,980
Which is terrific,
I mean, that's great.
754
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:54,060
When she finally stepped up
to the plate herself
755
00:44:54,060 --> 00:44:56,940
it was like hitting a major vein,
756
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,780
you know, like a seam of water
757
00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:01,660
flowing underground or something.
758
00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:03,540
It just welled up.
759
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:07,740
She hates to travel, she hates the
hotels, she hates the dressing room,
760
00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:10,340
but as soon as she gets on stage
with the fellas
761
00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:14,180
and we start playing, she lights up
and nobody can light up like Carole.
762
00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:17,620
Carole is like a Christmas tree. She
lights up and the whole room glows.
763
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:19,180
Oh!
764
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:25,700
JAZZY PIANO INTRO
765
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:30,300
Now, big Jim the Chief
stood for law and order,
766
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,100
Yes, he did, yes, he did.
767
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:35,660
He called for the guard to come
768
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:38,980
And surround the border...
769
00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:43,660
James and I were standing
on the balcony at sound check
770
00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:47,140
and she played You've Got A Friend
for the very first time.
771
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:51,380
I can't remember anything for
one year either side of
hearing this song
772
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:54,820
but I remember standing there
and hearing Carole play this song.
773
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:57,700
And that's where James
fell in love with the song.
774
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:01,700
He thought it was one of the most
perfect pop songs ever written,
which remains true to this day.
775
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:05,180
In an amazing act of generosity
776
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:08,100
she let me cut this tune first,
release it first,
777
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,020
and I was amazed because she
was cutting Tapestry at the time.
778
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:13,980
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
779
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:17,180
I didn't realise at the time that
I would be singing that song
780
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:19,900
every single night
for the rest of my life.
781
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:22,420
LAUGHTER
782
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:27,020
If the sky above you
783
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:32,460
Should grow dark and full of clouds
784
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:35,860
And that old North wind
785
00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:39,020
Should begin to blow
786
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:48,100
Keep your head together
787
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:54,140
And call my name out loud now,
baby,
788
00:46:54,140 --> 00:47:01,060
Soon I'll be knocking
upon your door...
789
00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:04,020
I love him so much it's that real...
790
00:47:04,020 --> 00:47:06,180
Everybody says, "were you a couple?"
791
00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:07,500
No.
792
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:10,060
"Do you ever think about it?" No.
793
00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:12,380
The first connection was musical.
794
00:47:12,380 --> 00:47:15,220
It turned out
we spoke the same language.
795
00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:18,660
We sat down and we slipped
back into the mother tongue, really.
796
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:19,860
It was great.
797
00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:23,860
We played on each other's records,
we just had a common mind, you know.
798
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:27,740
All I want
799
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:31,660
Is a quiet place to live...
800
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:35,580
Leaving California was something
that didn't come easy.
801
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:37,460
It had been my home for ten years.
802
00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:40,100
In 1977 I left and went to Idaho.
803
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:43,380
Charlie was the first
new dad that I had.
804
00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:45,460
And, er...
805
00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:49,340
He walked into a situation, there
was no winning in that situation.
806
00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:52,180
Rick Evers was a whole
different situation.
807
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:53,180
My mom,
808
00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:56,500
she was just hypnotised by him.
809
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:01,740
I moved to Hot Springs community
and it had hot running water
810
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:06,260
and cold running water outside of the
house. It had no indoor plumbing.
811
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:09,460
We used outhouses,
it had no electricity, no phones.
812
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:17,500
I'm pretty sure I was 14 when Rick
met my mum and quickly took us
813
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:21,380
to Idaho. It wasn't like she was
moving for work or necessity.
814
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:25,540
She was moving cos he said so,
and so I resented it that much more.
815
00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:28,460
I knew he was a terrible guy.
I lived with him
816
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:32,180
and he had a really scary temper.
817
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:34,940
When he'd get angry,
I would feel scared,
818
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:38,900
I would, like, run in a room
and lock the door.
819
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:42,660
Even though he'd never hit you,
I felt like he was going to.
820
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:45,780
It doesn't surprise me that
he did actually hit her
821
00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:48,260
and it's horrifying.
822
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:51,660
He was obviously a troubled,
deeply, deeply troubled
823
00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:55,460
screwed up individual and was making
Carole's life miserable
824
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:58,100
and also making
the rest of our lives miserable.
825
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:03,260
They hated him and they had every
right to and as a person,
826
00:49:03,260 --> 00:49:06,980
they didn't like him and they didn't
like the way he treated Carole
827
00:49:06,980 --> 00:49:11,900
and they didn't like the way
he treated the band and...
828
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:15,420
You probably know, at one point,
829
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:20,980
he hit Danny Kortchmar coming
offstage and hit him hard.
830
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:24,260
She's a brilliant, intelligent,
831
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:28,500
insightful woman who married
a creepy guy. This happens.
832
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:32,100
And then one day,
she snapped out of it. It was...
833
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:37,620
We were back in LA, we lived
in Idaho, but we'd come back to LA
834
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:40,500
because Carole wanted to
make an album.
835
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:44,260
It turns out that prior to meeting
Carole, he was a junkie.
836
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:49,260
My mum just said, "I've had enough,
I'm leaving, Sherry, come on."
837
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:52,060
We flew to Hawaii and when we
got to Hawaii,
838
00:49:52,060 --> 00:49:55,540
we got a message that Rick died.
He killed himself.
839
00:49:55,540 --> 00:50:02,740
He actually shot up too much drugs.
In my own head I went, "Good."
840
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:05,100
It's terrible to say
about another human being,
841
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,820
but he's the guy that caused
so much pain in our family,
842
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:11,980
so much chaos
and he did it to himself.
843
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:15,300
It's not like, you know,
some tragic thing happened to him.
844
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:17,460
He just was stupid.
845
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:22,340
What kind of fool
do you think I am?
846
00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:26,980
To believe you really give a damn
847
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:30,300
You're looking out for number one
848
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:34,900
What kind of chance
are you willing to take?
849
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:39,620
Are you willing to give just
a little bit for your own sake?
850
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:44,220
That's really looking
out for number one...
851
00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:49,180
I guess it was in 1978,
after Rick Evers died,
852
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:52,300
I decided I was definitely going
to go back to Idaho with my two
853
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:54,060
younger children, Molly and Levi.
854
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:56,700
She fell in love with Idaho.
855
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:01,180
She fell harder for Idaho
than she fell for Rick, ultimately.
856
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,940
She's still in love with Idaho.
857
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:06,420
She loves the mountains,
she loves the winters there,
858
00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:11,380
she loves the air. If she could,
she'd be there all the time.
859
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:16,380
Living in Idaho, which is part
of the Northern Rockies ecosystem,
860
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:21,460
and 20 years ago, most people
hadn't heard the word, ecosystem.
861
00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:25,700
What it means in my area
of the country is that a bear doesn't
862
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:29,420
get to a state line and say,
"Oh, that law in this state
863
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:33,020
"means I'm protected here so I'd
better not go into the next state,
864
00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:34,580
"where I'm not protected."
865
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:37,540
I think the wide open spaces
were calling to her.
866
00:51:37,540 --> 00:51:44,220
This is where she wanted to, I
think, have her, sort of, her life.
867
00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:46,620
We treat the Northern Rockies
as an ecosystem
868
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:49,060
and there's
a piece of legislation that
869
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:53,980
I work on called the Northern Rockies
Ecosystem Protection Act.
870
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:59,060
She's come to Capitol Hill,
just not to get the door open,
871
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:03,940
she understands the landscape,
she understands the politics,
872
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:05,660
she's telling them
about the science,
873
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:11,580
she's talking about what
the habitat destruction is doing.
874
00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:13,900
She understands the economics of it.
875
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:15,860
Of the forest that once
covered America,
876
00:52:15,860 --> 00:52:19,620
only 5% remain intact
but we can still save some.
877
00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:21,780
We can save some cover,
some food supply
878
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:24,620
and endangered species
in the Northern Rockies,
879
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:28,860
because it is the largest viable
ecosystem in the lower 48.
880
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:34,220
Her manager on the show
would say to folks,
881
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:36,580
"On the road with Carole,
882
00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:43,740
"Carole talks about the tour, about
this much. NREPA, this much."
883
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:48,980
This is Carole's passion
for the environment,
884
00:52:48,980 --> 00:52:51,260
protecting these places.
885
00:52:51,260 --> 00:52:54,780
I know this world needs changing
886
00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:57,140
I know the shape we're in
887
00:52:58,220 --> 00:53:00,540
But with all the confusion
888
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:03,020
I've reached the conclusion
889
00:53:03,020 --> 00:53:07,700
There's only one place
to begin and that's
890
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:09,700
One to one...
891
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,620
She's happiest with
the quiet life in Idaho.
892
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:18,500
She will still tour and play shows
and she records from time to time,
893
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:22,380
but she loves Idaho with a passion
894
00:53:22,380 --> 00:53:30,340
and she wants to preserve a great
area of incredible natural beauty.
895
00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:34,180
She just loves the environment there
and she's an environmentalist,
896
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:37,980
so, if you're going to meet
an environmentalist, you're going
897
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:39,500
to live in the environment.
898
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:48,340
In January 2014, Beautiful,
the musical based on my mom's life,
899
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:50,700
opened on Broadway.
900
00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:55,420
The idea started of making a musical
based on all four of us, based on
901
00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:59,780
our friendship and our competition
with each other in the early '60s.
902
00:53:59,780 --> 00:54:01,820
That's how it basically started.
903
00:54:01,820 --> 00:54:03,820
I thought these are four
interesting people.
904
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:05,780
I'd met Carole, Gerry,
Barry and Cynthia.
905
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:10,260
They were really interesting,
charming, funny and smart.
906
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:16,340
I'd like to know that your love
907
00:54:20,140 --> 00:54:27,300
Is love I can be sure of...
908
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,260
If she was told it's going to be
called Beautiful,
909
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:32,140
the Carole King musical,
what do you think?
910
00:54:32,140 --> 00:54:34,940
She'd have gone, no,
that's not happening.
911
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:39,300
After the first reading,
the feedback that they got was,
912
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:44,100
were you stopping before
Tapestry? You can't do that.
913
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:46,980
The most interesting art,
the one that people are going to
914
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:48,460
want to see is Carole's art.
915
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:51,820
So, we need to focus on her
a little more
916
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:56,140
and step back on everyone else and
Barry and Cynthia agreed with that.
917
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:58,540
We became supporting players.
918
00:54:58,540 --> 00:55:01,220
We've used to joke that they
were Lucy and Desi
919
00:55:01,220 --> 00:55:02,660
and we were Fred and Ethel.
920
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:06,500
I knew going into it
I couldn't do a mimicry,
921
00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:08,740
I just knew it wouldn't work.
922
00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:12,220
For many reasons, some of
the logistical reasons being that
923
00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:15,940
her voice is so unique, there is
no way I could copy her voice.
924
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:21,180
And it's too late baby
now it's too late
925
00:55:21,180 --> 00:55:24,420
Though we really did
try to make it
926
00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:30,380
Something inside has died
and I can't hide...
927
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:33,620
Too late is one of the ones that
always hits me every night
928
00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:37,100
when you sing it.
I can feel it in the audience.
929
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,620
Oh, my gosh, we get to hear the song
because we love it.
930
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:43,860
Then the audience realising what
that song means to them.
931
00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:48,340
You've got to get up every morning
with a smile on your face
932
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:53,780
And show the world all
the love in your heart...
933
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:56,620
One of the things I always
loved about her was her honesty
934
00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:58,300
and her authenticity.
935
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:02,380
When she performs, she has such joy
and it's so honest and it's
936
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:06,420
like there's nothing between her
and the music she's making.
937
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:09,140
She likes to be the centre
of attention and at the same time,
938
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:11,660
she's like, "Don't make me
the centre of attention."
939
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:15,380
She's like, no, I want my life,
I want to be a normal person,
940
00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:20,780
so I think she's been kind of smart
about drying those boundaries.
941
00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:23,420
A lot of people watching,
musicians and artists,
942
00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:25,860
what advice would you give to
songwriters
943
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:28,580
and musicians starting writing songs
today? What would you say?
944
00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:34,420
Write from the heart, write what you
feel and just, yes, we can.
945
00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:35,820
There you are.
946
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:38,380
You heard it from one of the master
songwriters of all time.
947
00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:42,340
For a lot of people, things are
discouraging out there right now.
948
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:47,140
Things seem hopeless
and all I can say is persevere.
949
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:50,340
I've had hopeless times in my life
about different things
950
00:56:50,340 --> 00:56:54,220
and you just have to persevere
because one day, that door does
951
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:57,500
open and if you don't persevere,
you won't be there
952
00:56:57,500 --> 00:57:01,060
when it does, so persevere, don't
give up hope
953
00:57:01,060 --> 00:57:03,100
and don't be discouraged.
954
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,500
Her legacy will be enormous.
955
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:09,220
Her legacy may be like
a Gershwin legacy
956
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:13,460
or a Rodgers and Hammerstein
legacy because
957
00:57:13,460 --> 00:57:16,500
there is a generation now that
just adores her stuff
958
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:17,980
and it keeps it alive.
959
00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:21,340
Soon I will be there
960
00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:27,900
To brighten up even your
darkest night...
961
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:32,700
There's no pretence to anything
Carole does and that's
962
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,060
so true of her writing
and performing.
963
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:38,660
I just always admired the way
she goes out on stage
964
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:40,700
and just sits down and does it.
965
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:44,340
You go, oh, my God, I totally know
what that song is about.
966
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:47,380
That's happened to me, or that's how
I feel right now,
967
00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:49,700
or that's how I felt then
968
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,700
and no-one's ever been able to say
it that way before.
969
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:54,060
They make it their own.
970
00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:56,820
I would think honesty is
the prevailing
971
00:57:56,820 --> 00:58:01,660
emotion of Carole as a writer
and a performer.
972
00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:03,940
She said exactly what
I was going to say.
973
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:06,060
Yeah, but I'm the lyricist,
so I said it.
974
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:09,100
I'll be there, yes, I will
975
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:10,860
Hey now.
976
00:58:10,860 --> 00:58:15,700
Now ain't it good to
know that you've got a friend...
977
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:19,100
Her singing, it doesn't have a
lot of artifice in it
978
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:20,940
or ornamentation.
979
00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:23,140
It's pure, it's like,
here's who I am.
980
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:26,380
I think people... I think that's
what they love about her.
981
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:31,460
And take your soul if you let them
982
00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:34,300
Oh but don't you let them...
983
00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:38,300
If Tapestry never existed,
984
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:42,820
Carole King would still
be among the handful of most
985
00:58:42,820 --> 00:58:48,020
important song writers in pop music
history, so let's just say that.
986
00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:50,940
I'll come running
987
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:53,500
Oh, yes I will
988
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:56,140
To see you again
989
00:58:56,140 --> 00:59:00,420
See you again and again
990
00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:04,500
Winter, spring, summer or fall
991
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:10,700
All you've got to do is call
992
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:15,740
And I'll be there, yes, I will
993
00:59:15,740 --> 00:59:19,420
You've got a friend.
83200
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