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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:45,700 --> 00:00:48,000 I listen to Fleetwood Mac everyday 2 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,460 because artists like that unlock the doors of perception. 3 00:00:52,460 --> 00:00:56,180 They connect you to a creative soul. 4 00:00:56,180 --> 00:00:59,580 In terms of being able to do music across a multiplicity of genres, 5 00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:02,380 they're kind of incomparable. 6 00:01:02,380 --> 00:01:05,380 For me, it's the marriage of those tones, 7 00:01:05,380 --> 00:01:09,180 both of the voices but of the instruments. 8 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:12,260 And what I love about Fleetwood Mac is that no song 9 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:14,700 is really a show-off song for anyone. 10 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,100 Everyone kind of gets their moment. 11 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:20,140 They're the perfect example of letting go 12 00:01:20,140 --> 00:01:24,220 and just, just letting your thing flow. 13 00:01:24,220 --> 00:01:26,380 Where it leads, if you let it flow, 14 00:01:26,380 --> 00:01:30,900 is these songs that came out of these different marriages. 15 00:01:30,900 --> 00:01:33,260 Well, Fleetwood Mac were invented by Peter Green, 16 00:01:33,260 --> 00:01:35,140 who was a blues guitarist 17 00:01:35,140 --> 00:01:39,340 and part of the British blues guitar explosion of the time. 18 00:01:39,340 --> 00:01:43,420 A kind of Clapton-y, Yardbirds thing was going on around there, 19 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:47,940 and he started Fleetwood Mac and it's very much his baby. 20 00:01:47,940 --> 00:01:51,220 Peter Green recruited Mick Fleetwood on drums and John McVie on bass, 21 00:01:51,220 --> 00:01:53,900 and they were the name - Fleetwood Mac. 22 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:55,260 They were huge. 23 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:57,660 At one point they were selling more than the Beatles 24 00:01:57,660 --> 00:01:59,940 and the Rolling Stones combined, 25 00:01:59,940 --> 00:02:03,060 and had a really big hard-core blues following. 26 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:05,020 Albatross changed that slightly 27 00:02:05,020 --> 00:02:08,220 in that they became slightly more mainstream. 28 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:13,180 But in doing that, it lost them a lot of those hard-core blues fans, 29 00:02:13,380 --> 00:02:15,860 but it gained them a lot of new fans. 30 00:02:15,860 --> 00:02:18,260 INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC: Albatross 31 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:40,900 It sounds incredible, even all these years later. 32 00:03:40,900 --> 00:03:43,420 It's just got that classic Americana... 33 00:03:44,460 --> 00:03:48,540 ..kind of dream pop, dream-like vibe. 34 00:03:48,540 --> 00:03:52,740 But it also wouldn't feel out of place on kind of... 35 00:03:52,740 --> 00:03:56,980 almost like a '90s chill-out album as well. 36 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:32,020 To have established a blues fan base 37 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:34,860 and to then present them with this, 38 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:39,140 I can't imagine it was well-received by all of their fans. 39 00:04:39,140 --> 00:04:41,620 It certainly would confound expectations. 40 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:09,300 Certainly, I think, a lot of people would be surprised 41 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:11,900 if they heard the entire back catalogue. 42 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:15,500 I used to listen to a lot of kind of rock and roll and punk music, 43 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:17,780 and there's a Fleetwood Mac song, 44 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:21,460 I think it's called Somebody's Going to Get Their Head Kicked in Tonight. 45 00:05:21,460 --> 00:05:24,620 That's certainly the kind of, the chorus of the main line. 46 00:05:24,620 --> 00:05:27,660 get their head kicked in tonight. 47 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:29,300 And I just... 48 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:31,620 I don't think when I first heard that song 49 00:05:31,620 --> 00:05:34,020 I realised it was Fleetwood Mac that sang it. 50 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:36,700 Then when I realised it was and it was the same people 51 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:38,860 that sing, like, Everywhere, I was just like, 52 00:05:38,860 --> 00:05:40,860 "What? That doesn't make sense." 53 00:05:40,860 --> 00:05:43,460 So, yeah, there's lots of surprising gems 54 00:05:43,460 --> 00:05:46,820 in the Fleetwood Mac back catalogue. 55 00:05:46,820 --> 00:05:51,780 We're now going to do our latest single, called Oh Well. 56 00:06:37,260 --> 00:06:39,940 about the shape I'm in 57 00:06:39,940 --> 00:06:42,300 and my legs are thin 58 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:44,860 what I think of you 59 00:06:44,860 --> 00:06:47,380 that you want me to... 60 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:20,900 Guitars are the coolest...instrument. 61 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:22,820 Look at those guys! 62 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:27,060 Look at them, they're having fun. 63 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:29,580 They don't care that you're there. 64 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:34,220 The way he's playing, the way his fingers are, and they look so cool. 65 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:37,540 I knew he'd understand 66 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:40,340 and I'll be your guiding hand 67 00:07:40,340 --> 00:07:42,500 what I think of you 68 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:45,580 that you want me to. 69 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:50,660 It was very, erm, intense kind of 12-bar, it has to be 12-bar. 70 00:07:50,660 --> 00:07:54,300 The anorak crowd, the sort of hard-core blues guys were like, 71 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,340 "Oh, you're a sell-out." 72 00:07:56,340 --> 00:08:01,380 And with "Oh Well" as well, they're already losing fans, 73 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:05,540 haemorrhaging hard-core blues fans. 74 00:08:26,180 --> 00:08:29,700 and then they lose their main songwriter. 75 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:34,220 So they don't just lose their crowd, they lose their main guy. 76 00:08:34,220 --> 00:08:38,020 Apparently, two band members, Peter Green being one of them, 77 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:42,740 had a bad acid trip in Germany, this is the folklore of it. 78 00:08:42,740 --> 00:08:45,540 And after that, Peter Green did not feel right. 79 00:08:45,540 --> 00:08:48,420 So at this point, obviously, Peter Green just needs a really good rest. 80 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:52,500 So Peter leaves and you still have Mick and John, 81 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:54,740 Fleetwood and Mac, 82 00:08:54,740 --> 00:08:57,300 who obviously want to continue as a band. 83 00:08:57,300 --> 00:09:00,620 And so you have this kind of almost barren period 84 00:09:00,620 --> 00:09:04,580 where they're not making music, they're constantly searching 85 00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:06,900 and trying out new members. 86 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:10,580 Then in comes Christine, John's wife, 87 00:09:10,580 --> 00:09:11,980 who comes in on merit 88 00:09:11,980 --> 00:09:16,300 because she's an incredibly accomplished songwriter, 89 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:18,300 great keyboard player. 90 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:23,340 Which led to this craziest luck ever with Mick Fleetwood going 91 00:09:23,580 --> 00:09:27,260 into a studio in Los Angeles to check out the studio, 92 00:09:27,260 --> 00:09:31,140 and the producer, like, puts on a reel to show him what he can do, 93 00:09:31,140 --> 00:09:33,940 "This is what I last... This is my latest thing." 94 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:38,060 Apparently, Mick Fleetwood heard a record by a duo called 95 00:09:38,060 --> 00:09:41,300 Buckingham Nicks, so he asked them out for dinner. 96 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:44,900 He invited Lindsey Buckingham, the guitarist, 97 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:47,540 to join Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey Buckingham said, 98 00:09:47,540 --> 00:09:50,180 "Well, actually, I'm going out with Stevie Nicks," 99 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:53,460 who is the other partner in the duo, "We come as a package. 100 00:09:53,460 --> 00:09:55,660 "We don't go anywhere without each other." 101 00:09:55,660 --> 00:09:58,500 So, unbeknownst to Mick Fleetwood, 102 00:09:58,500 --> 00:10:01,300 suddenly he's got Stevie Nicks in the band. 103 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:02,900 And probably this was a sort of, 104 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:06,220 "Is she going to work? Is this going to work? What are we going to do?" 105 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:09,100 But actually, suddenly, the magic happens. 106 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:12,700 on a poor girl like me 107 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:20,820 Falling at your feet 108 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:27,940 my head to my toes 109 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:34,100 make the feeling go 110 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:40,540 and the lights go down 111 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:44,180 another living soul around 116 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:04,700 running for cover 117 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:12,140 for a little sympathy 118 00:11:14,460 --> 00:11:18,980 it'll be the end of me 119 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:25,580 and the lights go down 120 00:11:25,580 --> 00:11:28,900 Oh, look at that! 121 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:31,100 until the sun comes up... 122 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:33,420 And they're so different voices, as well. 123 00:11:33,420 --> 00:11:37,260 You know, Christine and Stevie's voices are worlds apart. 124 00:11:37,260 --> 00:11:38,620 But together... 125 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:41,260 ..it's so special. 126 00:11:43,180 --> 00:11:46,460 So much of the success of the songwriting has come from 127 00:11:46,460 --> 00:11:51,420 Stevie and Christine. Their talent as performers and musicians, 128 00:11:52,020 --> 00:11:55,260 you know, no arguments there. 129 00:11:55,260 --> 00:11:58,180 But in terms of what went on, in terms of the songwriting, 130 00:11:58,180 --> 00:12:02,140 I don't think they get the credit that they're due for how much 131 00:12:02,140 --> 00:12:05,060 of the success of Fleetwood Mac is due to them. 132 00:12:05,060 --> 00:12:09,020 gonna stay away 133 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:16,420 weaker every day 134 00:12:20,100 --> 00:12:23,460 as I used to be 135 00:12:25,860 --> 00:12:30,140 it'll be the end of me 136 00:12:33,140 --> 00:12:36,540 and the lights go down 137 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:40,300 living soul around 140 00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:50,740 and the lights go down 141 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:54,380 living soul around 146 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:12,300 Rhiannon is written by Stevie Nicks, 147 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:15,100 and I really think it's a phenomenal song. 148 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:19,060 It only reached 46 in the UK charts, I believe, 149 00:13:19,060 --> 00:13:22,020 which is a shockingly low chart position. 150 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:26,580 In the Rolling Stone magazine vote of the 500 top songs, 151 00:13:26,580 --> 00:13:30,140 it comes in at 488, which I think is a very respectful place 152 00:13:30,140 --> 00:13:33,420 when you think of how many songs there are in the world. 153 00:13:33,420 --> 00:13:37,140 But what I like about this song, Stevie Nicks always introduces it 154 00:13:37,140 --> 00:13:39,100 as being about a Welsh witch. 155 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:43,140 This is a song about a Welsh witch. 156 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:49,140 through the night 158 00:13:53,260 --> 00:13:55,860 like a bird in flight 160 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:03,580 you've never seen a woman 162 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:09,660 if she promised you heaven? 164 00:14:13,460 --> 00:14:18,460 and then she is the darkness 165 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:22,740 like a fine skylark 167 00:14:26,620 --> 00:14:31,660 a lady like her rises 169 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:38,180 At the time, she was very much into Welsh mythology 170 00:14:38,180 --> 00:14:42,460 and was starting to learn about the goddess of horses, 171 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:47,420 which is very prominent in Welsh folklore. 172 00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:49,380 But it's the way she's written it. 173 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:53,060 She writes in a stream of consciousness, 174 00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:55,180 which really only Stevie Nicks could do. 175 00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:59,100 She doesn't finish her phrases, so she writes words that fit 176 00:14:59,100 --> 00:15:04,060 the musical phrase more than they fit the sense, 177 00:15:04,060 --> 00:15:06,620 but it works because that's how she writes. 178 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:09,060 It's ingrained, it's part of her DNA, 179 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:10,540 she's not faking it. 180 00:15:10,540 --> 00:15:14,500 She's discovered what works for her voice. 181 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:17,060 through the night 183 00:15:21,340 --> 00:15:23,660 like a bird in flight 185 00:15:27,940 --> 00:15:32,940 a lady like her rises 186 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:39,700 and your life knows no answer 188 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:50,740 Stevie Nicks was the only member of the band 189 00:15:50,740 --> 00:15:53,060 who didn't play an instrument, 190 00:15:53,060 --> 00:15:55,420 so she wrote in a different way to everybody else. 191 00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:57,420 But she has this stage presence. 192 00:15:57,420 --> 00:16:02,220 She's 5'1" and she has that thing of suddenly she's the focal point. 193 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:04,940 I don't think they predicted the success she would have, 194 00:16:04,940 --> 00:16:07,020 just as being an icon, just as being herself. 195 00:16:07,020 --> 00:16:09,660 Yes, you can't mistake her for anybody else. 200 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:55,740 so ahead of its time. 201 00:16:55,740 --> 00:17:00,740 Creating those sounds without a pick - he was a finger player - 202 00:17:01,180 --> 00:17:03,220 but also strums. 203 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:04,980 It's just mind-blowing. 204 00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:22,900 John's like, you know, he just stands in the background there 205 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:26,780 and does his thing brilliantly and is so intrinsically important 206 00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:29,140 to the sound of that band. 207 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:33,180 John and Mick, you know, those two are the... They're the roots 208 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:36,300 of Fleetwood Mac, they're the foundations, really, 209 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:38,060 and the quiet foundations. 210 00:17:38,060 --> 00:17:40,140 Just get on with what they're doing. 211 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:53,060 The notion of something beautiful 212 00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:57,300 coming out of something so horrendous is Rumours. 213 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:01,740 This was a band who, the success of the Mac was growing, 214 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:03,700 they were a hugely popular band. 215 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:06,780 But as they were becoming more and more successful, 216 00:18:06,780 --> 00:18:09,100 the band were imploding, really. 217 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:11,500 You know, relationships were breaking down. 218 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:16,540 Rumours is really a break-up album between Buckingham and Nicks 219 00:18:16,740 --> 00:18:20,020 and also John and Christine, 220 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:24,500 and Mick Fleetwood was breaking up with his wife in England. 221 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:29,500 Almost every song is about someone in the band. 222 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:33,740 And they are playing on, and singing on, songs about each other, 223 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:36,380 bringing lyrics in at the last minute because they know 224 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:38,380 the person in the room will know it's about them, 225 00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:40,260 and obviously it's complete chaos 226 00:18:40,260 --> 00:18:43,180 and yet those tensions are the things that make it. 227 00:18:43,180 --> 00:18:45,140 And some of those songs are quite mellifluous 228 00:18:45,140 --> 00:18:47,980 and they're quite soothing and then you realise what they're about - 229 00:18:47,980 --> 00:18:49,740 they're about a band hating each other. 230 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:52,940 And then to just air that about each other, it's... 231 00:18:52,940 --> 00:18:57,220 It's a lot of tolerance on each side to allow it, you know, 232 00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:59,580 and not throw around tools and just walk out. 233 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:07,460 the right thing to do 234 00:19:09,380 --> 00:19:14,260 that I feel? 235 00:19:16,260 --> 00:19:21,220 I'd give you my world 236 00:19:22,980 --> 00:19:27,660 when you won't take it from me? 239 00:19:37,140 --> 00:19:41,020 another lonely day. 240 00:19:41,020 --> 00:19:45,220 Stevie Nicks is looking daggers at Lindsey Buckingham because 241 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:49,420 she wanted a line removed - "packing up, shacking up" - 242 00:19:49,420 --> 00:19:54,060 which is Lindsey Buckingham responding to the shock 243 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:55,820 of Stevie Nicks leaving him. 244 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:02,660 is all you wanna do 245 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:09,660 I'd give you my world 246 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:16,620 Everything's waiting for you 259 00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:33,900 It's a really brilliantly arranged song. 260 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,860 Backing vocals, for me, are one of the most magical parts 261 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:41,260 of making a record and Fleetwood Mac are an absolute flag in the sand 262 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:45,740 for how to do backing vocals and how to sing together as a group. 263 00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:48,420 And the song's got such a beautiful example of those. 266 00:21:56,500 --> 00:22:00,820 another lonely day. 267 00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:30,900 Fleetwood Mac have found their way into my songs. 268 00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:35,940 There's one particular song, Dreams, which was... 269 00:22:35,940 --> 00:22:40,020 A friend of mine had put on a mix tape and the tape got stuck 270 00:22:40,020 --> 00:22:42,460 in the tape player in my first car. 271 00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:45,340 It was the first song on the first side, 272 00:22:45,340 --> 00:22:48,420 so when it went round, when it clicked both sides, 273 00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:50,220 it came back to that again. 274 00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:55,060 And I must have heard that song hundreds and hundreds of times. 275 00:22:55,060 --> 00:23:00,100 I went from loving this song to absolutely hating it, 276 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:05,540 like really getting on my nerves, to loving it again. 277 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:07,020 That's never happened before. 278 00:23:07,020 --> 00:23:09,900 It's always - you love it, then you hate it, 279 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:13,020 then it's, "I'm never going to hear that again." 280 00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:15,060 "Thunder only happens when it's raining, 281 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:18,700 "raining, raining, raining," and it's probably somehow eked out 282 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,620 Why Does It Always Rain On Me? 283 00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:23,060 Maybe. Who knows?! 287 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:47,460 play the way you feel it 291 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:05,500 what you had 295 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:25,060 when it's raining 296 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:32,780 when they're playing 297 00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:40,060 and they go 298 00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:48,380 you'll know. 299 00:24:51,660 --> 00:24:54,380 Dreams is a really fascinating song to me because I don't 300 00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:58,140 really understand why I love it so much. 301 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:00,420 Because it's a groove. 302 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:04,260 It really comes down to the testament of Stevie Nicks' voice. 303 00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:07,220 And someone else doing it, it could've been really dull. 307 00:25:22,540 --> 00:25:27,580 around your dreams and 308 00:25:29,860 --> 00:25:33,980 you'd like to sell? 309 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:37,780 Great songs come from below the neck, they come from your gut, 310 00:25:37,780 --> 00:25:40,380 where all these memories and emotional memories are trapped, 311 00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:42,940 and this is where your emotional life is. 312 00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:45,500 It's not up here, it's down here. 313 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:50,380 And if you're going through really harsh emotional stuff, 314 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:52,220 it's very easy to go down. 315 00:25:53,660 --> 00:25:56,860 Them going through these crazy relationships 316 00:25:56,860 --> 00:26:00,300 in the making of that record is exactly what makes that record. 317 00:26:01,340 --> 00:26:06,380 when it's raining 318 00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:14,100 when they're playing 319 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:21,220 and they will go, oh, oh 320 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:29,540 you'll know 322 00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:37,620 when it's raining 323 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:44,900 when they're playing 325 00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:52,860 and they will go 326 00:26:55,620 --> 00:27:00,620 you'll know. 327 00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:04,940 So you've got these kind of call and response songs going on 328 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:08,660 between Stevie and Lindsey, and then on the other side 329 00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:12,700 with John and Christine, Christine's off doing her, you know, 330 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:16,300 I guess therapy of getting it all out through song. 331 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:19,340 And she comes back with this brilliantly, kind of bouncy, 332 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:23,060 breezy song about, you know, tomorrow's just another day. 333 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:26,380 It's amazing to think that these songs came out of that. 334 00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:28,580 The thing for me is like, is she saying it to herself 335 00:27:28,580 --> 00:27:31,140 or is she saying it to John? 336 00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:33,100 You know, "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow," 337 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,340 to herself or to John? 338 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:37,580 Or to the entire band? Let's be fair! 339 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:50,380 and don't want to smile 342 00:27:57,740 --> 00:28:01,740 in a different way 343 00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:05,780 about tomorrow 347 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,460 to come? 348 00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:32,220 that you've done 354 00:28:50,940 --> 00:28:54,580 yesterday's gone. 355 00:28:56,780 --> 00:29:00,900 Lyrically, it's just a masterclass in really saying 356 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:05,940 exactly what you're talking about, you're not being that veiled. 357 00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,420 But you're saying sometimes quite cliched things 358 00:29:09,420 --> 00:29:13,540 in a way that speaks of something new, that speaks of 359 00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:16,580 something rawer than just a regular cliche. 362 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:28,900 that it's true 375 00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:15,500 Before I knew what The Chain was as a song, that bass riff I knew 376 00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:19,460 from watching Formula 1, or my dad watching Formula 1. 377 00:30:19,460 --> 00:30:23,780 And then it was only years later discovering that it was part of 378 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:27,260 this epic kind of almost opera, from Rumours, The Chain. 379 00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:30,940 It's my favourite Fleetwood Mac song because it's so... 380 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:32,580 When you hear it for the first time, 381 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,940 it takes you here, there and everywhere, 382 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:37,300 it's so unexpected as to where it goes. 383 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:41,500 For me, I think it's one of the best songs ever made. 407 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:29,500 It's just the most haunting sound, and the choice of the key 408 00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:33,460 and the choice of the words of being "silent in the night 409 00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:38,100 "as the sun comes up" and saying, "If you don't love me now, 410 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,780 "you'll never love me again," it's... 411 00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:42,900 just utterly heartbreaking. 412 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:45,740 Look at the way Stevie Nicks is looking at him. 414 00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:50,420 Oh, it's just so cruel the way she's looking at him. 415 00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:53,420 I mean, one could say you could see the pain in their eyes, 416 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,660 even on this reunion. 417 00:32:55,660 --> 00:33:00,580 It's as if they're solving their relationship problems 418 00:33:00,580 --> 00:33:02,140 in front of an audience. 419 00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:07,980 This is another thing that I love about this band. 420 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:12,940 This is about six different songs, that didn't work as whole songs, 421 00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:16,900 that they just cut up and spliced together. 422 00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:50,380 I always used to be going round, kind of going... 423 00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:52,740 SHE IMITATES 'THE CHAIN' RIFF 424 00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:54,980 ..when I was little and I didn't know what the song was. 425 00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:57,620 And then when I came to get to know the album when I was much older, 426 00:33:57,620 --> 00:34:00,340 I was like, "No way!" 438 00:34:29,260 --> 00:34:32,340 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 439 00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:35,460 Rumours sold 45 million copies - how do you follow that up? 440 00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:38,340 Especially how do you follow that up when the band has just 441 00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:41,700 gone through what it's gone through to make that record 442 00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:44,780 and then the success that it has? 443 00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:47,420 I mean, they could've quite easily just walked away 444 00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:49,300 and broke up as a band, but they didn't. 445 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:53,940 For me, what happened after Rumours is possibly more interesting, 446 00:34:53,940 --> 00:34:56,940 as a creative writer, because they went against the grain 447 00:34:56,940 --> 00:35:01,980 and they did Tusk, which is critically acclaimed 448 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:04,660 but not a huge commercial success. 449 00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:07,380 So when Tusk came out, I can remember the industry 450 00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:10,780 almost glorifying in pulling them apart and saying, 451 00:35:10,780 --> 00:35:13,820 "Oh, doesn't work, it's the end of them." 452 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,900 But like all great legendary bands, in retrospect, 453 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,460 the audience catches up with their work. 454 00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:22,180 Tusk is interesting because they're really being pulled 455 00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:24,940 in different directions and some of it does sound like punk rock. 456 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:27,380 Again, it's a band literally being pulled apart 457 00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:30,180 because they really can't stand each other at that point. 458 00:35:30,180 --> 00:35:32,700 But also, they don't know where... 459 00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:34,420 musically, where they're going. 460 00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:37,580 Mick Fleetwood, the drummer, is managing them at this point. 461 00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:39,660 So they are allowed to do what the hell they like 462 00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:42,500 and they're spending extraordinary amounts of money, 463 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:45,300 not just on studio time, but on poodles and things. 464 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,020 You hear stories of them painting... 465 00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:48,820 "Paint the whole place pink!" 466 00:35:48,820 --> 00:35:50,940 You know, "Let's bring in a grand piano." 467 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:54,460 It's just a ridiculous amount of expense and excess. 468 00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:59,380 if he's going to stay? 469 00:35:59,380 --> 00:36:04,380 if he's going away? 470 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:20,500 what's going on? 471 00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:25,500 who's on the phone? 472 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:33,340 I don't know where the idea came from, for Mick. 473 00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:35,140 He just loves a lot of drums. 474 00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:39,780 So he had the University College of California, I think it was, 475 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:44,020 their marching band, not only play on the end of the track, 476 00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:47,180 but for the video they were in the LA Dodgers' stadium, 477 00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:49,380 Stevie was twirling her baton. 478 00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:51,900 You might notice a cardboard cut-out of John, 479 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,260 that's because Stevie and him had a fall-out 480 00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:56,220 so he didn't want to come that day. 481 00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:58,060 I just love the bombasticness of it. 482 00:36:58,060 --> 00:37:00,900 Kind of, "I tell you what we're going to do, we're going to fill 483 00:37:00,900 --> 00:37:04,340 "the LA Dodgers' stadium with a marching band and shoot a video. 484 00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:05,980 "That's what we're going to do!" 485 00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:09,540 And they could, because they were the biggest band in the world 486 00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:12,860 at that time, in terms of how many records they were selling 487 00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:14,860 and how many hits they'd had off that record. 488 00:37:14,860 --> 00:37:17,940 So I think they were almost testing everyone as well 489 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,980 and just seeing what they could get away with. 495 00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:15,100 I know that the album Tusk certainly took some of the millions of fans 496 00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:18,260 that they had acquired through the success of Rumours 497 00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:20,340 by surprise because it's very different. 498 00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:23,500 To me, though, this immediately sounds cooler 499 00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:25,060 than anything on Rumours. 500 00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:29,180 And while it might not have had the same initial level of, like, 501 00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:33,660 just staggering success, I think with the passage of time, 502 00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:36,940 it's kind of maybe borne out as being cooler. 506 00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:57,300 about the fire 533 00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:31,620 It's another really good example of Stevie's writing credentials. 534 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:35,660 She's just a style, you know, she's Stevie Nicks, 535 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:38,580 she's this image icon, beautiful. 536 00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:41,180 But she evolved, she took on different looks, 537 00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:44,900 she took on different personas. 538 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:49,900 And I think, for me, you got a sense of how she was feeling personally, 539 00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:53,780 through what she wore and how she held herself on stage. 546 00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:19,460 Oh, her voice, man. 547 00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:21,580 It's such an '80s video. 549 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:27,340 Look how cool they look. 550 00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:32,180 It was in the era of big music videos, MTV. 561 00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:12,780 This is the Fleetwood Mac of my childhood. 562 00:43:14,260 --> 00:43:19,220 And one of the things that's so phenomenal and so interesting 563 00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:24,220 about Fleetwood Mac is, if you look at their kind of biggest hits, 564 00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:27,540 most of them have been written by the two women in the band. 565 00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:30,660 So to have these two really strong female songwriters 566 00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:33,980 is really unusual. We have so many great female vocalists, 567 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:38,260 but it's not so typical that they're also writing the material. 578 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:13,900 The thing I love about Landslide, that I love about all of 579 00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:16,620 Stevie's songs, is that they're so personal. 580 00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:20,020 She wrote this before she'd signed to Fleetwood Mac. 581 00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:24,540 She was 27 years old, she'd spent a lot of time working as 582 00:44:24,540 --> 00:44:27,380 a waitress and a cleaner, desperate for the break, 583 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:30,340 and it just wasn't coming. I think her dad even said to her, 584 00:44:30,340 --> 00:44:34,500 "Give it another six months and then, you know, get a proper job," 585 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:36,460 type thing, or we'll put you through college. 586 00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:40,420 And three months into that six months, Fleetwood Mac happens 587 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:43,700 and this is one of the songs that she then takes to them. 589 00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:54,300 and I turned around 590 00:44:55,860 --> 00:45:00,860 in the snow-covered hills 592 00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:13,620 What is love? 593 00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:20,340 rise above? 594 00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:27,100 the changing ocean tides? 595 00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:33,380 of my life? 605 00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:19,820 I've had the great pleasure of meeting Stevie Nicks 606 00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:21,940 and she's an extraordinary person. 607 00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:24,980 Extremely down-to-earth. 608 00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:28,540 And I said to her, "How do you manage being Stevie Nicks?" 609 00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:32,060 And she says... GRUFFLY: "Well, I decide if I'm Stevie Nicks or not. 610 00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:34,100 "If I walk down a corridor, 611 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,820 "I'm looking at the floor, no-one even sees me. 612 00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:41,700 "If I walk down the corridor as Stevie Nicks, everybody sees me!" 622 00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:26,460 and you turn around 623 00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:33,060 in the snow-covered hills 624 00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:40,260 will bring it down, down 630 00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:13,180 will bring it down. 631 00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:20,740 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 632 00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:27,500 Tango In The Night is one of those ones 633 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:30,100 where it's an extremely commercial album. 634 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:33,060 There's so many hits, hits, hits on that record. 635 00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:36,260 Apparently it was Lindsey Buckingham, it was his demos first 636 00:48:36,260 --> 00:48:39,780 and then he took it to the band and the band kind of reconvened again. 637 00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:41,700 But they can pull it out the bag. 638 00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:44,180 They know what a good record sounds like. 639 00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:46,660 They're very happy to spend a long time in the studio, 640 00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:48,020 getting it to that point. 641 00:48:48,020 --> 00:48:49,940 It still doesn't sound like they've made up. 642 00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:52,660 They're still slightly at war. Tango In The Night kind of 643 00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:55,340 came out again through a real dark period for the band. 644 00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:58,100 You know, there was a lot of dependency on drugs and things 645 00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:00,700 within some of the band members, 646 00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:02,900 they were having a really hard time with that. 647 00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:07,180 And there is a kind of darker feel to this, I think. 648 00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:10,780 Even those kind of galloping drums 649 00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:13,060 that you get through some of the songs. 650 00:49:13,060 --> 00:49:16,380 There's a real kind of urgency to it, I think. 659 00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:50,060 Tell me sweet little lies 660 00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:54,180 Tell me, tell me lies 662 00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:02,060 No, you can't disguise 663 00:50:02,060 --> 00:50:05,060 Tell me sweet little lies 665 00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:17,940 There's a reason why 666 00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:23,860 close your eyes 668 00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:33,660 Let's give it a try 670 00:50:40,660 --> 00:50:43,540 Tell me sweet little lies 671 00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:47,900 Tell me, tell me lies 673 00:50:52,940 --> 00:50:55,740 No, you can't disguise. 674 00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:58,300 There's that big sound and there's still the use of 675 00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:02,940 the West Coast-style harmonies, you know, that musicality, 676 00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:05,940 and all sorts of elements which make it more interesting 677 00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:09,500 than it first seems. It's very well-crafted. 678 00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:11,020 That's the Christine McVie thing, 679 00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:12,700 she's really good at writing pop songs, 680 00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:15,300 so the stuff she writes has that real pop element to it, 681 00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:18,500 then you have Stevie Nicks being a little gothy sort of 682 00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:21,260 Kate Bush-esque in the corner, and you have Lindsey Buckingham 683 00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:23,620 doing his rock stuff, and somehow it all works. 684 00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:26,220 So they can each take a credit for a song and yet the songs can 685 00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:29,420 sit together on an album really well and it doesn't seem, you know, like 686 00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:32,900 they're from completely different places, and that's quite a talent. 691 00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:52,300 Tell me sweet little lies 692 00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:57,420 Tell me, tell me lies 694 00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:05,060 No, you can't disguise 695 00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:08,140 Tell me sweet little lies 696 00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:12,820 Tell me, tell me lies 698 00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:20,380 No, you can't disguise... 699 00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:23,380 The first time I remember hearing Fleetwood Mac was Big Love. 700 00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:27,300 I think it could have been on... 701 00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:29,660 And it wasn't hearing it, it was the video. 702 00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:34,340 I remember seeing the video somewhere and the sound of it 703 00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:37,260 was very distinct. 704 00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:41,180 I had no idea who they were, this was like a new band to me, 705 00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:44,900 but they looked older, so that was interesting. 720 00:53:47,380 --> 00:53:51,060 The sonics. It was all about the sonics of it, the sound of it, 721 00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:53,260 and the vocals were really, really great. 722 00:53:53,260 --> 00:53:55,940 The voices. His voice especially. 727 00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:15,820 The interesting thing about Big Love is you can hear echoes of 728 00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:20,900 all the little bits of their past in that one song. 729 00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:23,220 There's this little trail-off, 730 00:54:23,220 --> 00:54:28,220 this little bluesy trail-off that echoes Oh Well. 731 00:54:29,460 --> 00:54:31,100 This bit. 732 00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:34,060 Biddle-diddle-diddle-diddle. 733 00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:37,340 That biddle-diddle-diddle-durh at the end is the echo, 734 00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:39,860 and it's like a book-end. 736 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:50,620 Ah, ah... 737 00:54:51,780 --> 00:54:56,820 I always assumed that the grunts was Stevie or Christine, 738 00:54:57,500 --> 00:55:02,260 but it wasn't, it was Lindsey pitching his voice up. 739 00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:06,300 Huh, ah... 740 00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:10,300 Which is just slightly bonkers. 741 00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:13,980 Uh, ah 742 00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:16,980 Uh, ah. 743 00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:19,900 They've left, they've broken up, they've got back together. 744 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:21,660 Whether it's for Bill Clinton 745 00:55:21,660 --> 00:55:24,260 or, you know, an anniversary tour or whatever. 747 00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:32,060 words they couldn't say 748 00:55:32,060 --> 00:55:35,740 Let the night unfurl 749 00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:40,260 Singing in my world... 750 00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:42,580 And now Lindsey Buckingham's left, 751 00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:46,620 I'd really like to believe that Mick Fleetwood is in LA just now 752 00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:49,340 just kind of like going to gigs and checking to see 753 00:55:49,340 --> 00:55:51,820 if there's any new players that he thinks, 754 00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:54,220 "Here's a good songwriter I could use." 755 00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:56,180 The door's not closed, I don't think. 756 00:55:56,180 --> 00:55:58,580 There's not really been much said about it 757 00:55:58,580 --> 00:56:01,580 but, you know, they've got some new members in, but... 758 00:56:01,580 --> 00:56:03,700 I don't really care. I'm watching Stevie. 759 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:08,340 My darling, it's best 760 00:56:08,340 --> 00:56:12,540 I cried 761 00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:17,740 Listen to me 764 00:56:25,780 --> 00:56:29,380 This band, Fleetwood Mac, they've survived so much. 765 00:56:29,380 --> 00:56:32,500 50 years, that's unbelievable. 766 00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:36,180 And I think it's nearly over 100 million records they've sold. 767 00:56:36,180 --> 00:56:39,340 Half of that, nearly, through one record. 768 00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:42,460 That's amazing. That's a great achievement 769 00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:46,180 for a band who are still out there touring, and their music, 770 00:56:46,180 --> 00:56:49,780 more importantly, over everything, still resonates. 771 00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:54,780 They spawn a million bands, trying to be as good as that. 772 00:56:55,100 --> 00:57:00,100 Trying to... Trying to achieve that foothold that's their own, 773 00:57:02,100 --> 00:57:06,460 and that's an amazing gift to give the human race. 774 00:57:06,460 --> 00:57:10,540 Out your name 775 00:57:10,540 --> 00:57:14,180 and I don't know what to say 776 00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:18,220 I'll even shout 777 00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:21,940 and I can't get the words out 783 00:57:47,220 --> 00:57:50,140 Happening to me 784 00:57:50,140 --> 00:57:53,700 I'm acting peculiarly 785 00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:58,140 We better make a start 786 00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:02,700 before you break my heart43384

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