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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:04:10,875 --> 00:04:14,165 - And how did it happen? - Beat me up. 2 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:18,804 They made me stand against the wall, like this with me arms outstretched... 3 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:20,925 ...and my legs stretched out behind me. 4 00:04:22,845 --> 00:04:26,595 Kept me like this for ages, for over 30 hours or somethin' like that. 5 00:04:27,183 --> 00:04:30,393 And if 1 tried to relax or lower me arms, they hit me. 6 00:04:30,478 --> 00:04:32,848 And then they gave me the crab treatment. 7 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:35,231 Were you arrested on Section 1 2? 8 00:04:35,316 --> 00:04:37,606 - Yeah. - Okay. Good. 9 00:04:38,236 --> 00:04:39,776 Do you have any idea why? 10 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:44,826 Sort of like most of me mates were accused of belongin' to the 1RA. 11 00:04:45,576 --> 00:04:47,996 Which he wasn't. That's why they let him go. 12 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:51,211 Could you demonstrate this crab treatment to us? 13 00:04:51,416 --> 00:04:52,496 Yeah. 14 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:09,427 One of them grabbed me... 15 00:05:10,435 --> 00:05:12,765 ...you know, with me arms back here... 16 00:05:13,354 --> 00:05:15,944 ...while his mate punched me in the stomach. 17 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:17,614 He just punched me and punched me. 18 00:05:17,692 --> 00:05:20,532 And the other one kept askin' me questions... 19 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:23,822 ...askin' more questions, and they punched me again. 20 00:05:24,115 --> 00:05:25,115 Okay? 21 00:05:25,783 --> 00:05:28,203 - Are you all right? - Yeah. 22 00:05:28,453 --> 00:05:31,663 Jim, why don't you tell them what happened to you? 23 00:05:32,206 --> 00:05:35,996 1 was arrested the week before Michael and taken to Castlereagh. 24 00:05:36,377 --> 00:05:39,297 And then they threw me into a cell for about four hours. 25 00:05:39,547 --> 00:05:40,707 They took me out... 26 00:05:40,798 --> 00:05:43,298 ...brought me up to what they call an interview room. 27 00:05:43,384 --> 00:05:46,094 And two cops were sittin' there with me. 28 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:49,139 One of the cops asked me my name. 1 never told him my name... 29 00:05:49,223 --> 00:05:52,643 ...'cause if they didn't know my name, they wouldn't have arrested me. 30 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:58,186 At once, as soon as 1 told him, all four cops came rushin' in the room... 31 00:05:58,441 --> 00:06:01,321 ...took me off the chair, lifted me by the arms and legs... 32 00:06:01,402 --> 00:06:03,112 ...and held me over a table. 33 00:06:03,488 --> 00:06:05,658 And one of them put a towel round my face. 34 00:06:06,032 --> 00:06:08,832 He was holding it at the back of my neck here... 35 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:12,700 ...and another one poured water over my nose and mouth. 36 00:06:12,789 --> 00:06:15,169 1t was goin' up my nose and into my throat... 37 00:06:15,249 --> 00:06:16,959 ...1 was gettin' the drowning feeling. 38 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:20,335 Sullivan? 39 00:06:57,625 --> 00:06:59,325 Get the bastard! 40 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:24,729 1 don't believe it. 41 00:07:25,278 --> 00:07:27,988 - Tribal rites. - 1t's frightening. 42 00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:44,747 Can 1 take you onto the question of the treatment of prisoners... 43 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:48,589 ...the question of interrogation techniques referred to in the press release. 44 00:07:48,676 --> 00:07:53,046 1t suggests that these allegations of ill-treatment have reduced since 1 978. 45 00:07:53,139 --> 00:07:55,519 Can 1 ask you to comment? Do you have a view... 46 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,600 ...as to whether these forms of ill-treatment that you found are fair? 47 00:07:59,687 --> 00:08:01,437 What evidence do you have for them? 48 00:08:01,772 --> 00:08:05,902 Not to be too dramatic, but these are all... 49 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:10,445 ...statements of alleged maltreatment that we have collected over our time here. 50 00:08:10,531 --> 00:08:13,531 And that one? 51 00:08:13,868 --> 00:08:15,988 "Punching, slapping, kicking the plaintiff. 52 00:08:16,078 --> 00:08:17,078 "Causing, requiring, 53 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:20,833 permitting the plaintiff to lie on the floor of an interview room. 54 00:08:20,917 --> 00:08:23,077 "Causing, requiring, permitting the plaintiff... 55 00:08:23,169 --> 00:08:25,749 "...to remove his coat and shoes in the interview room. 56 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:28,468 "Punching the plaintiff in the abdominal area. 57 00:08:28,549 --> 00:08:32,089 "Banging the plaintiff's head off the wall of the interview room. 58 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:35,640 "Standing on the plaintiff's shoulders, stomach, ankles and chest. 59 00:08:35,723 --> 00:08:39,603 "Squeezing the plaintiff's neck. Squeezing the plaintiff's testicles. 60 00:08:39,685 --> 00:08:41,845 "Causing, requiring, permitting the plaintiff... 61 00:08:41,938 --> 00:08:45,568 - "...to be spreadled..." - Spread-eagled. 62 00:08:45,816 --> 00:08:49,686 "Between three members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary... 63 00:08:49,820 --> 00:08:54,570 "...while one kicked him with his heel in the area of the abdomen and raped..." 64 00:08:54,659 --> 00:08:56,829 Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 65 00:08:56,911 --> 00:08:58,791 These are unconfirmed allegations, right? 66 00:08:58,871 --> 00:09:01,161 Allegations for which there is no outside evidence. 67 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:03,209 These are allegations from a group of people. 68 00:09:04,794 --> 00:09:07,134 A great deal of this evidence is corroborated. 69 00:09:07,255 --> 00:09:10,005 1s it a war situation or not? 70 00:09:10,091 --> 00:09:13,181 1f it's a war situation, to solve that war situation... 71 00:09:13,261 --> 00:09:17,721 ...you have to negotiate, and so to accept that there are two sides... 72 00:09:18,349 --> 00:09:21,479 ...putting around a table to negotiate... 73 00:09:21,686 --> 00:09:24,306 ...and that, the British government doesn't accept. 74 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:27,017 Does your report deal with the shoot-to-kill policy... 75 00:09:27,108 --> 00:09:29,228 ...operatin' here in the six counties? 76 00:09:29,318 --> 00:09:33,488 Allegations of a shoot-to-kill policy carried out by the RUC... 77 00:09:33,781 --> 00:09:38,031 ...the UDR, and the British Army does form part of our report, yes. 78 00:09:38,119 --> 00:09:42,459 - Do you have any figures? - Yes, in... 79 00:09:43,374 --> 00:09:45,754 ...the period of 1 969 to 1 980... 80 00:09:45,835 --> 00:09:48,495 ...the evidence shows that at least 1 30 people... 81 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:53,258 ...were killed by the security forces, and half of those deaths... 82 00:09:53,467 --> 00:09:56,677 ...were of civilians that had no connection... 83 00:09:56,762 --> 00:09:58,762 ...with paramilitary activities at all. 84 00:09:58,889 --> 00:10:03,519 Given the fact that there is a state of armed insurrection in Northern 1reland... 85 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:06,399 ...do you not concede the government has every right... 86 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,150 ...to take whatever measures it deems necessary to... 87 00:10:09,233 --> 00:10:10,943 ...stem this insurrection? 88 00:10:11,652 --> 00:10:16,242 Britain is recognised the world over as a democratic state. 89 00:10:16,824 --> 00:10:21,664 We will present our report based on the documented evidence. 90 00:10:22,371 --> 00:10:25,961 And hopefully, the British government will respond. 91 00:10:26,167 --> 00:10:27,877 1'm sure they will. 92 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:30,918 Thank you. That's all we have time for. 93 00:10:31,005 --> 00:10:33,505 We're flying out tomorrow. Thank you. 94 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:41,473 Hi. 95 00:10:41,557 --> 00:10:44,557 - I'm Teresa Doyle. Republican NeWs. - Excuse me? 96 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,234 Republican News. 97 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:48,651 You know the shoot-to-kill? 98 00:10:48,731 --> 00:10:51,901 1t happens all the time. 1 could show you a photograph. 99 00:10:51,984 --> 00:10:54,534 - Of what? - Of an execution. 100 00:10:54,612 --> 00:10:56,112 You have that with you? 101 00:10:56,197 --> 00:11:00,277 1t's not the sort of thing you carry around the streets of Belfast in your handbag. 102 00:11:00,368 --> 00:11:01,488 But 1 could get it to you. 103 00:11:02,495 --> 00:11:05,285 1'm sorry. Our investigation's concluded. 104 00:11:05,539 --> 00:11:09,459 - So you're not interested? - No, we're not here to be used. 105 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,500 Maybe that's all you're here for. 106 00:11:27,603 --> 00:11:28,853 Paul? 107 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:44,624 - 1s that the tape from yesterday? - Yeah. 108 00:11:45,496 --> 00:11:47,406 1'm glad we're leaving tomorrow. 109 00:11:48,541 --> 00:11:50,421 Belfast reminds me of Chile. 110 00:11:51,168 --> 00:11:53,668 There's no comparison. How can you say that? 111 00:11:53,754 --> 00:11:55,174 That's the way it feels: 112 00:11:55,756 --> 00:11:58,376 Killings, torture, intrigue. 113 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:07,177 A reality check: What happened in Chile can't happen here. 114 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:11,767 - Let's eat. - Yeah. 115 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,895 - You got any money? - Yes, 1 do. 116 00:12:19,113 --> 00:12:20,413 Good. 117 00:13:20,382 --> 00:13:24,052 So good night. See you tomorrow. Tough day. 118 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:29,267 Good night. 119 00:13:36,190 --> 00:13:39,150 Can you believe he turned around and waved? 120 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:46,282 - Do you know him? - 1 don't know. 1 thought 1 did. 121 00:13:48,869 --> 00:13:51,119 - No messages. - Okay, thanks. 122 00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:04,357 Yes. 123 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:05,950 Harris? 124 00:15:07,197 --> 00:15:11,327 - 1 listened to your tape. - Have you come to a decision? 125 00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:13,286 1 don't know. 126 00:15:13,621 --> 00:15:15,081 We must talk. 127 00:15:15,998 --> 00:15:17,748 They saw us together. 128 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:22,379 - How do you know? - After 1 left you, 1 was followed. 129 00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:24,378 That means you're under surveillance. 130 00:15:25,132 --> 00:15:28,802 1 really don't think that this is something that 1 should get involved in... 131 00:15:28,886 --> 00:15:30,546 ...but 1'll tell you what 1 can do. 132 00:15:30,638 --> 00:15:33,388 I can turn the tape over to whatever authorities you deem... 133 00:15:33,474 --> 00:15:35,064 No! That would be crazy. 134 00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:37,064 We must meet. 135 00:15:38,062 --> 00:15:41,272 - Where? - Near Dungannon. Now. 136 00:15:41,815 --> 00:15:43,725 It's less than an hour's drive away. 137 00:15:43,817 --> 00:15:46,067 Look, I've got a plane to catch. 138 00:15:47,112 --> 00:15:48,572 This won't take long. 139 00:17:01,395 --> 00:17:03,015 Mr. Sullivan? 140 00:17:05,232 --> 00:17:07,902 - Where's Harris? - He's down the road, waiting on you. 141 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:09,775 I am here to take you to him. 142 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:13,032 You can leave your car here. We'll go in mine. 143 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,490 - My car's okay here? - It's quite safe there. 144 00:17:15,576 --> 00:17:17,906 By the way, my name's Frank Molloy. 145 00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:27,632 - Did you bring the tape? - Yeah. 146 00:17:30,090 --> 00:17:31,300 1 1 69. 147 00:17:32,634 --> 00:17:33,934 Sorry? 148 00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:38,506 800 years: That's how long we've been fightin' for independence. 149 00:17:39,099 --> 00:17:40,429 Sword... 150 00:17:40,851 --> 00:17:43,141 ...famine, burnin'... 151 00:17:43,437 --> 00:17:47,067 ...hangin', shootin', transportation: We've had it all. 152 00:17:50,152 --> 00:17:51,742 Who's Harris? 153 00:17:52,821 --> 00:17:55,361 It's better he tells you himself. 154 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:01,251 There's a car behind us. 155 00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:04,168 Is it following us? 156 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,580 We'll soon find out. 157 00:18:07,461 --> 00:18:10,841 There's something wrong here. 158 00:18:11,173 --> 00:18:13,053 Get down! Get down! 159 00:19:21,535 --> 00:19:23,865 - Ms. Ingrid Jessner? - Yes. 160 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:27,616 I'm afraid we've got some rather serious news for you. 161 00:19:27,708 --> 00:19:29,958 - May we come in? - What is it? 162 00:19:31,128 --> 00:19:33,208 It's about Mr. Sullivan. 163 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:36,757 He's been involved in a rather serious incident. 164 00:19:38,635 --> 00:19:40,925 They were killed in a car crash early this morning... 165 00:19:41,013 --> 00:19:43,853 ... which involved a police checkpoint outside Dungannon. 166 00:19:44,057 --> 00:19:46,517 The men, who were driving a yellow Ford Cortina... 167 00:19:46,602 --> 00:19:48,352 ... were signaled by police to stop. 168 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:52,687 Ignoring the warning, the car accelerated and drove directly at the officers. 169 00:19:52,774 --> 00:19:56,534 Police opened fire on the vehicle as it attempted to escape. 170 00:19:56,612 --> 00:19:59,822 The car then went out of control and careered off the road. 171 00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:03,737 Upon arrival at the crash scene, police found the occupants were dead. 172 00:20:03,827 --> 00:20:06,907 Names of the two men have not yet been released. 173 00:20:29,728 --> 00:20:33,108 Can you identify the body as that of Paul Sullivan? 174 00:20:55,295 --> 00:20:56,415 Yes. 175 00:21:18,777 --> 00:21:20,107 Ingrid. 176 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:24,620 Come on. Let's go. 177 00:21:55,939 --> 00:21:58,319 Ms. Jessner, where have you just come from? 178 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,190 Can you move away? 179 00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:03,567 It's said the man in the car with Mr. Sullivan was a terrorist suspect. 180 00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:04,605 Is that true? 181 00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:07,488 - What are you suggesting? - Who was with Mr. Sullivan? 182 00:22:07,576 --> 00:22:10,366 - I have no idea. - Police say he was a terrorist suspect. 183 00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:12,245 Did the car go through a police roadcheck? 184 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,961 They say they opened fire after the car went through a checkpoint? 185 00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:18,293 Where were they going this morning? Did you know? 186 00:22:18,378 --> 00:22:23,048 As journalists, you must appreciate that I can't talk about this right now. 187 00:22:28,638 --> 00:22:31,138 The driver of the car in which the shooting occurred... 188 00:22:31,224 --> 00:22:34,734 ... has been named as Frank Molloy. Police said the car failed to stop... 189 00:22:34,811 --> 00:22:38,771 ... at a roadblock outside Dungannon around 6:1 5 this morning. 190 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:41,477 An RUC statement said the driver accelerated... 191 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:44,648 ... toward their officers, who opened fire on the fleeing car... 192 00:22:44,738 --> 00:22:46,568 ... causing it to swerve off the road. 193 00:22:46,656 --> 00:22:51,036 Also in the car was Paul Sullivan, an American lawyer and a leading figure... 194 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,579 ... in the International League for Civil Liberties. 195 00:22:53,663 --> 00:22:55,083 What's puxxling observers... 196 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:57,915 ... is why Mr. Sullivan should have driven out of Belfast... 197 00:22:58,001 --> 00:23:01,171 ... in the early hours of the morning to meet a man... 198 00:23:01,254 --> 00:23:03,924 ... who the police say is a terrorist suspect. 199 00:23:04,007 --> 00:23:07,217 This is Ivan Little, Ulster Television, Dungannon. 200 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,350 With me in the studio to discuss... 201 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:13,020 ... the political implications of today's shooting... 202 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:14,560 ... is Mr. Alec Nevin... 203 00:23:15,018 --> 00:23:18,438 ... who is a Conservative Party spokesman on Northern Ireland. 204 00:23:18,522 --> 00:23:21,152 Mr. Nevin, earlier, we saw pictures of Americans... 205 00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,153 ... demonstrating outside the British embassy in Washington. 206 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:27,816 Let's make a distinction. What we saw was a demonstration... 207 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:29,776 ... by supporters of the IRA... 208 00:23:29,866 --> 00:23:31,026 Could I finish my question? 209 00:23:31,118 --> 00:23:33,198 The people who give comfort and weapons... 210 00:23:33,286 --> 00:23:34,656 ... to the men of violence. 211 00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,078 John Ware, Labour MP. 212 00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:39,665 A particularly embarrassing thing, I would think... 213 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:44,631 ... was, of course, the death of this civil-liberties spokesman... 214 00:23:44,923 --> 00:23:47,723 It's quite clear that people will be asking the question: 215 00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:50,801 Does this mean the investigation has hit on a raw nerve... 216 00:23:50,887 --> 00:23:53,967 ... has revealed some of the things that have been perpetrated... 217 00:23:54,057 --> 00:23:57,177 ... by security forces due to their presence in Northern Ireland? 218 00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:02,265 Is Ms. Jessner coming down to talk to us today? 219 00:24:02,357 --> 00:24:04,727 - No. She's resting. - How is she? 220 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:05,818 All right. 221 00:24:05,902 --> 00:24:08,112 Have you been told any more about what happened... 222 00:24:08,196 --> 00:24:10,776 ...on the morning of the shooting? 223 00:24:11,116 --> 00:24:15,036 The only thing that we know is that Mr. Sullivan has been murdered... 224 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,660 ...by a member of the security forces... 225 00:24:17,747 --> 00:24:20,957 ...near Dungannon in a car, a rented car... 226 00:24:21,042 --> 00:24:23,422 ...with a man called Mr. Molloy. 227 00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:26,125 Did Mr. Sullivan have Republican sympathies? 228 00:24:26,214 --> 00:24:28,134 - No. - Was he a member of Noraid? 229 00:24:28,258 --> 00:24:31,138 - Not at all. - What kind of a man was he, Mr. Sullivan? 230 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:37,431 The only thing I can say is he was a very good lawyer and a great fighter... 231 00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:40,687 ...for the civil rights all over the world and a marvelous friend. 232 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:43,400 The British government have just appointed... 233 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:45,232 ...Deputy Chief Constable Kerrigan... 234 00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:47,858 ...to head up the investigation on the shooting. 235 00:24:47,944 --> 00:24:49,284 What's your reaction to that? 236 00:24:49,362 --> 00:24:53,952 I've heard that Kerrigan is a fine investigator of the CID... 237 00:24:54,075 --> 00:24:56,785 ...but we would have preferred that... 238 00:24:56,870 --> 00:25:00,790 ...it would have been an independent, international inquiry. 239 00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:03,134 So you don't have any confidence in the inquiry? 240 00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:05,880 I've got a certain amount of skepticism about that. 241 00:25:06,379 --> 00:25:08,459 You said that you were skeptical. Why? 242 00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:11,088 Why will the Kerrigan inquiry not discover the truth? 243 00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:15,966 Because you had a lot of inquiries in the 1 3 past years... 244 00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:19,306 ... and it didn't change anything. 245 00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:40,155 Excuse me, sir. I'm Sgt. Hughes, your liaison for your stay. 246 00:25:40,247 --> 00:25:42,667 Hello. This is Chief Superintendent Maxwell. 247 00:25:42,749 --> 00:25:44,999 How do you do? The car's just outside the front. 248 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:47,415 - Can I take your bag? - Thank you. 249 00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:55,302 - This Jessner woman... - Sullivan's girlfriend. 250 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:59,717 What time is it now? 4:00. Late in the day. 251 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,729 What about this Mrs. Molloy? 252 00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:06,476 She lives in Fort William. 253 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,784 How far is it to Fort William, Sergeant? 254 00:26:09,859 --> 00:26:13,529 Fort William's just over here on the right, sir, about a mile away. 255 00:26:15,448 --> 00:26:18,198 It might be a good idea if you spoke to them both together. 256 00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:19,865 Let them feed off each other. 257 00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:46,353 Your ID, Sarge? 258 00:27:03,204 --> 00:27:05,044 Might as well leave the cases in the car. 259 00:27:05,123 --> 00:27:08,423 - We'll be going to the hotel after. - Sure they'll be safe here? 260 00:27:08,501 --> 00:27:10,001 I hope so, sir. 261 00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:23,773 Just in here, sir. 262 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:33,689 - We're a bit pushed for space, sir. - Not bad. 263 00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:37,992 I want a large wall map of Northern Ireland and a blackboard. 264 00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:40,953 - Blackboard? - Those big black things you write on. 265 00:27:41,368 --> 00:27:42,788 Yes, sir. 266 00:27:42,994 --> 00:27:48,044 - I'll tell Mr. Brodie you're here, sir. - Thank you, Sergeant. That's kind of you. 267 00:27:54,714 --> 00:27:57,684 Hello. 268 00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:03,220 - I've seen Jack Cunningham lately. - What's he doing nowadays? 269 00:28:03,306 --> 00:28:06,676 - He runs his own security business. - He must be rolling in it. 270 00:28:06,768 --> 00:28:08,438 He's earned it. 271 00:28:09,396 --> 00:28:11,686 Pleasure to meet you, Mr. Kerrigan. 272 00:28:11,773 --> 00:28:13,443 Chief Superintendent Maxwell. 273 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:14,645 Sir. 274 00:28:14,734 --> 00:28:16,694 - Good flight? - Bit cramped. 275 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:18,528 Yeah, always is. 276 00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:21,030 This is not what you're used to, I suppose. 277 00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:23,986 It's the best we can do for one of Britain's top policemen. 278 00:28:24,077 --> 00:28:25,447 It's perfectly adequate. 279 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:29,418 - Anything else you need? - Thank you. I'll ask. 280 00:28:29,499 --> 00:28:31,999 Detective Sgt. Hughes will be your liaison officer. 281 00:28:32,085 --> 00:28:34,665 He will organise all your internal appointments. 282 00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:38,974 - Yes, secretarial staff... - She'll be arriving tomorrow. 283 00:28:39,134 --> 00:28:40,634 Excuse me. 284 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:46,056 - Have you read the CID interim report? - Yes. 285 00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:49,347 Now, as I understand it... 286 00:28:49,436 --> 00:28:54,056 ...your terms of reference in the inquiry are to reexamine the evidence and... 287 00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:56,649 Or if necessary, reinvestigate the circumstances... 288 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:59,735 ...which led to the shooting of Paul Sullivan and Frank Molloy. 289 00:29:00,238 --> 00:29:03,408 I'm sure that your expertise will be appreciated. 290 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:07,367 However, I should warn you that you may encounter some prejudice. 291 00:29:07,954 --> 00:29:11,464 - From members of your force? - Possibly. But don't let that deter you. 292 00:29:11,541 --> 00:29:13,001 It won't. 293 00:29:13,918 --> 00:29:17,878 See, you have to bear in mind the situation here in Northern Ireland. 294 00:29:17,964 --> 00:29:20,594 We operate under enormous pressure. 295 00:29:21,217 --> 00:29:24,047 For the last 1 2 years, the Royal Ulster Constabulary... 296 00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:27,967 ...have fought to maintain the peace against the terrorists. 297 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,140 140 people have given their lives. 298 00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:33,061 3,500 have been injured. 299 00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:36,821 And 1 55 medals for outstanding feats of gallantry. 300 00:29:37,317 --> 00:29:39,567 Naturally, when outsiders from the mainland... 301 00:29:39,652 --> 00:29:43,282 ...come here to the province to tell us... - I do understand. 302 00:29:45,241 --> 00:29:48,871 But rest assured, no obstacle will be placed in your path. 303 00:29:48,953 --> 00:29:52,293 - You'll receive my full cooperation. - Thank you. 304 00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:56,132 About accommodation, we have a couple of safe houses where RUC personnel... 305 00:29:56,211 --> 00:30:01,051 I think it would be better if we were to stay in a small hotel somewhere. 306 00:30:01,549 --> 00:30:02,589 Can I ask why? 307 00:30:02,675 --> 00:30:05,755 I don't want to socialise with officers I might have to question. 308 00:30:05,845 --> 00:30:08,385 Best keep it on a strictly professional basis. 309 00:30:08,848 --> 00:30:11,978 - Could I just say one thing, so... - Also, I'll need a car... 310 00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:14,519 ...without a driver. 311 00:30:15,271 --> 00:30:17,611 You realise that I can't guarantee your safety? 312 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:18,690 Absolutely. 313 00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:21,775 Just let me say one thing, so there can be no misunderstanding. 314 00:30:21,945 --> 00:30:26,905 When you have completed your inquiry, you will deliver your report to me first. 315 00:30:28,284 --> 00:30:31,624 I understood it was to go to the DPP first. -No, it comes to me first. 316 00:30:31,704 --> 00:30:34,214 I will forward it to the Director of Public Prosecutions. 317 00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:37,082 That is the constitutional position. 318 00:30:37,377 --> 00:30:40,997 We might as well keep that on a professional basis, too. 319 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:43,509 - Okay. - Thank you. 320 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:55,560 Ingrid... 321 00:30:56,187 --> 00:31:00,147 Henri and I will stay with you for as long as you need us. 322 00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:02,437 - I'm okay. - You sure? 323 00:31:03,403 --> 00:31:07,033 I think you can do more back home than you can do here. 324 00:31:15,248 --> 00:31:16,538 Hello? 325 00:31:17,584 --> 00:31:20,634 No, it isn't Ingrid. Who is calling? 326 00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:25,174 Can you wait a second? 327 00:31:26,009 --> 00:31:27,889 It's Paul's mother. 328 00:31:32,849 --> 00:31:34,349 All right? 329 00:31:38,104 --> 00:31:39,354 Rose? 330 00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:48,411 How are you? Are you all right? 331 00:31:48,489 --> 00:31:50,869 Is there somebody there? Is somebody with you? 332 00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:52,910 That's good. 333 00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:58,077 I'm all right. I have some friends here, and it's... 334 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:41,169 What's the crack on this Insp. Stephens of CID? 335 00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:44,627 Stephens? Decent enough man. 336 00:32:45,421 --> 00:32:47,211 Is he handling the shooting? 337 00:32:47,298 --> 00:32:50,758 Yes. If he was one of my detectives, he'd be back in uniform. 338 00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:51,843 Why? 339 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:55,428 Three hours after the shooting, the RUC issued a statement. 340 00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:57,272 It was fabricated. 341 00:32:57,850 --> 00:33:00,640 - Maybe they had a reason? - No resistance was offered. 342 00:33:00,728 --> 00:33:04,188 The weapon found in the car clearly didn't belong there. 343 00:33:04,357 --> 00:33:06,937 Forensic showed that the shot that killed the Yank... 344 00:33:07,026 --> 00:33:11,146 ...was fired at two meters. The trajectory was wrong. 345 00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:15,988 The officer that did the shooting claims he shot at 25 feet. 346 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:19,159 None of this was in the interim report. 347 00:33:19,706 --> 00:33:23,786 What if there were witnesses, and it comes out at the inquest? 348 00:33:23,876 --> 00:33:26,286 You know as well as I how long these things take. 349 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,209 I know of two cases: One seven years ago, the other was five. 350 00:33:29,298 --> 00:33:32,508 - There's still no inquest in either of them. - This one's different. 351 00:33:32,593 --> 00:33:35,683 There's a lot of dead bodies in Northern Ireland, Peter. 352 00:33:36,055 --> 00:33:40,425 Jack, you haven't been followin' the news. Why the hell do you think I'm here? 353 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:44,563 - A prominent American was involved. - Brodie was hoping you'd do a snow job. 354 00:33:44,647 --> 00:33:46,147 Not a chance. 355 00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:48,192 Next to the Pope, you're about to become... 356 00:33:48,276 --> 00:33:51,106 ...the most unpopular man in Northern Ireland. 357 00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:54,655 What you have to understand is Special Branch control the whole thing. 358 00:33:55,324 --> 00:33:56,834 Why do you think I got out? 359 00:33:57,452 --> 00:34:01,292 As soon as my time was up, I just grabbed my pension and ran. 360 00:34:02,999 --> 00:34:05,579 These three policemen involved in the shooting... 361 00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:09,002 - Cowboys, not policemen. - Tell me about them. 362 00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:13,376 Members of an antiterrorist squad, operating undercover. 363 00:34:13,468 --> 00:34:15,678 SSU, Special Support Unit... 364 00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:18,057 ...code-named Echo 4 Alpha. 365 00:34:18,139 --> 00:34:20,599 - Answerable to whom? - Don't ask. 366 00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:22,517 I have to know. 367 00:34:22,935 --> 00:34:25,475 I'm not saying we shouldn't use them against the IRA... 368 00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:30,403 ...but the fact is, they're out of control. They're off the wire, trigger-happy. 369 00:34:31,611 --> 00:34:33,451 They go where they want, do what they want. 370 00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:36,239 They shoot first, no questions asked. 371 00:34:37,116 --> 00:34:40,326 The other side don't play by the rules either. 372 00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:41,913 We're not the IRA. 373 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:45,249 Goin' back to these three policemen... 374 00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,793 If they were involved, then it's a covert operation. 375 00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:50,627 - What about Special Branch? - They are Special Branch. 376 00:34:50,713 --> 00:34:54,303 - Sanctioned by them? - Or MI5 or Ml6. 377 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:57,343 Take your pick. We all piss in the same pot. 378 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:03,600 If the British public knew half of what goes on... 379 00:35:03,684 --> 00:35:06,774 ...in Northern Ireland, they wouldn't sleep in their beds. 380 00:35:06,854 --> 00:35:11,324 - I don't know what the answer is. - Good night, Jack. Thanks. 381 00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:13,187 Do yourself a favour, Peter. 382 00:35:13,277 --> 00:35:15,737 I know it goes against the grain, but toe the line. 383 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:18,202 Give them what they want, and get back to England. 384 00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:20,952 - We'll see. - You're a pillock! 385 00:35:21,035 --> 00:35:22,285 Mind how you go. 386 00:35:22,411 --> 00:35:25,961 Nobody gives a shit what happens in Northern Ireland. 387 00:36:37,361 --> 00:36:40,781 - What's wrong? - I found this on the seat of my car. 388 00:36:41,741 --> 00:36:44,661 "The next bullet is for you if you don't get out of Ireland. 389 00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:46,494 "Our day will come". 390 00:36:47,496 --> 00:36:48,826 IRA? 391 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:54,837 It's a 9-millimeter. 392 00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:56,761 Walther PPK pistol. 393 00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:02,011 That's a weapon favoured by the cowboys we talked about earlier. 394 00:37:03,137 --> 00:37:05,177 - Echo 4 Alpha? - Yeah. 395 00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:08,676 So where are you taking me? 396 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,058 It's one of ours, Peter. 397 00:37:13,397 --> 00:37:15,067 Excuse me. Hi. 398 00:37:16,776 --> 00:37:18,526 Good afternoon, Ms. Jessner. 399 00:37:18,945 --> 00:37:20,605 - Any further news yet? - No, none. 400 00:37:20,696 --> 00:37:22,736 - What are your plans now? - I have none... 401 00:37:22,823 --> 00:37:25,913 ...and I don't want to say anything. Please, now, thank you. 402 00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:27,412 - Ms. Jessner. - Mr. Kerrigan. 403 00:37:27,495 --> 00:37:29,155 - Thank you for seeing me. - Of course. 404 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,247 Did you get in touch with Mrs. Molloy? 405 00:37:31,332 --> 00:37:33,792 Yes. She's expecting us. 406 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:36,875 How are your skills as a navigator? 407 00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:58,279 This is Paradox. 408 00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:01,278 Subjects leaving location. 409 00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:03,664 Tabs on now, please. 410 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,580 Paul was murdered, Mr. Kerrigan. 411 00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:17,836 - Why would the police want to kill him? - I don't know, but they did. 412 00:38:18,504 --> 00:38:21,054 - What proof do you have? - None. 413 00:38:22,675 --> 00:38:25,175 But I do know what goes on here. 414 00:38:25,553 --> 00:38:29,563 Torture, paid informants, roadside executions, death squads. 415 00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:39,942 Mr. Kerrigan, when I was going through Paul's things... 416 00:38:40,026 --> 00:38:42,936 ...I found something I think might be important. 417 00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:45,239 It's an empty cassette box. 418 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:49,200 Paul was meticulous, and I can't find that tape. 419 00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:52,120 - Did you ask about it? - I told the police. 420 00:38:52,204 --> 00:38:56,294 - And what did they say? - They would look into it and call me back. 421 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:58,460 - And did they? - No. 422 00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:01,552 What was on the tape? 423 00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:05,300 I don't know, but he was listening to it the night before. 424 00:39:11,807 --> 00:39:13,307 This is it. 425 00:39:17,605 --> 00:39:21,775 I also found this list of names. 426 00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:24,029 - Is this his writing? - Yes. 427 00:39:30,868 --> 00:39:33,408 This is a pretty formidable group. 428 00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:37,503 Lord Randall, Alec Nevin, Sir Gerald Binning... 429 00:39:40,169 --> 00:39:41,629 Why did he write these six names? 430 00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:43,962 - I don't know. - Had he met them? 431 00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:46,048 No, not that I know of. 432 00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:49,763 Have you shown this to anyone else? 433 00:39:49,845 --> 00:39:52,965 No. Why, what do you think it is? 434 00:39:53,265 --> 00:39:55,175 What do you think? 435 00:39:56,268 --> 00:39:58,898 Could be people targeted, hit list. 436 00:40:01,148 --> 00:40:05,278 - I'm not saying it is, but... - Paul was not involved with terrorists. 437 00:40:05,361 --> 00:40:07,241 Perhaps innocently. 438 00:40:07,446 --> 00:40:10,776 - Maybe he was being used. - He was too smart to be manipulated. 439 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:12,866 He was a good lawyer. He thought like one. 440 00:40:12,952 --> 00:40:14,912 Then why did he write down these six names? 441 00:40:14,995 --> 00:40:18,575 And why did he leave the hotel at 5:00 in the morning, leaving you? 442 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:21,418 What was he doing driving around Dungannon... 443 00:40:21,502 --> 00:40:23,922 ...with a fringe member of the IRA? 444 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:27,594 He must have been mixed up in something. 445 00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:31,014 Mrs. Molloy, is this Frank's father? 446 00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:33,635 - That's his father. - Who's that? 447 00:40:33,722 --> 00:40:38,642 Them's his friends, lifelong friends. Theyjust can't believe it either. 448 00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:45,109 Those were taken on holiday. It was the last holiday we had. 449 00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:50,110 Have you a religion, Mr. Kerrigan? 450 00:40:51,198 --> 00:40:52,618 Catholic. 451 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,370 In the heel of the hunt, we'll all be answerable to God. 452 00:40:56,662 --> 00:40:59,542 I curse the bloody day we ever came back here. 453 00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,123 Why did you? 454 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:05,589 No choice. He was workin' for the Ministry of Defense in London. 455 00:41:05,921 --> 00:41:08,471 Some bright spark sent him on this course. 456 00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,759 Then he was transferred over here. 457 00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:13,093 What kind of work did he do? 458 00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:15,352 It came under the army... 459 00:41:15,598 --> 00:41:18,678 ...to do with education and publishing things. 460 00:41:19,685 --> 00:41:23,305 To tell you the truth, he never talked much about it... 461 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:25,361 ...but he wasn't happy. 462 00:41:25,441 --> 00:41:27,321 That's why he left? 463 00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:31,647 Under a cloud. Said he couldn't stomach it anymore. 464 00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:34,815 Can I take a look at these? 465 00:41:37,036 --> 00:41:40,036 - Who's that? - That's Grace's weddin'. 466 00:41:40,831 --> 00:41:43,961 - It's your daughter? - That was a beautiful day. 467 00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:45,963 She looks wonderful. 468 00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:47,960 Mrs. Molloy... 469 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:52,676 Did your husband ever mention Paul to you? 470 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,970 No. 471 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:57,927 They must have known each other, though, don't you think? 472 00:41:58,015 --> 00:42:01,095 They must've. But I never heard Frank mention him. 473 00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:03,805 You were telling us earlier... 474 00:42:04,104 --> 00:42:06,524 ...that the house was searched. 475 00:42:06,815 --> 00:42:08,725 Yes. Two days after. 476 00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:12,449 Do you know who authorised it? Was it the police? 477 00:42:12,696 --> 00:42:14,946 The big knock authorised it. 478 00:42:15,282 --> 00:42:19,492 1 :00 in the mornin', you either open up, or your door goes in. 479 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,120 Did they question you? 480 00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:24,791 Asked me if I knew Capt. Harris. 481 00:42:25,459 --> 00:42:26,419 Capt. Harris? 482 00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:30,547 Frank's old boss. Worked in a unit at Lisburn. 483 00:42:30,923 --> 00:42:34,013 - And what did you tell them? - Told them the truth. 484 00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:36,723 The last time I saw Capt. Harris... 485 00:42:37,221 --> 00:42:38,351 ...was at the weddin'. 486 00:42:38,764 --> 00:42:41,274 Did they find anything? 487 00:42:41,892 --> 00:42:45,232 They took away some papers and all his cassette tapes. 488 00:42:45,312 --> 00:42:47,312 - Tapes? - The lot. 489 00:42:48,065 --> 00:42:51,025 Capt. Harris, if he was at the wedding... 490 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:53,700 ...he might be in one of these photographs. 491 00:42:53,779 --> 00:42:55,739 You've just been looking at it. 492 00:42:55,823 --> 00:42:59,833 - This one? - That's him, next to the groom. 493 00:43:02,288 --> 00:43:03,658 I know him. 494 00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,712 - You met him? - No, I know his face. 495 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,962 He was talking to Paul at the Orange Parade. 496 00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:15,926 Here are the documents you asked for, sir. -Thank you, Chief. 497 00:43:28,272 --> 00:43:30,982 Could you initial there, Mr. Maxwell? 498 00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:43,040 And you'll have to sign the secured-documents book as well. 499 00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:51,917 And how did you get involved in civil liberties? 500 00:43:53,047 --> 00:43:54,587 I was in Chile. 501 00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:56,922 I was doing some research... 502 00:43:57,009 --> 00:43:59,679 ...for a TV documentary called The Disappeared. 503 00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:03,510 It was about the victims of Pinochet after the coup. 504 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:07,769 - Paul was there working for the League. - When was that? 505 00:44:08,354 --> 00:44:09,814 1 975. 506 00:44:10,689 --> 00:44:13,819 There was a technical adviser working with us... 507 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,820 ...a young Chilean journalist. 508 00:44:17,321 --> 00:44:20,781 He disappeared one day and I went to the League and Paul... 509 00:44:20,866 --> 00:44:24,156 ...to see if they could find out what happened to him. 510 00:44:26,538 --> 00:44:28,828 - And did they? - No. 511 00:44:31,377 --> 00:44:34,207 It was a year before we found out he'd been executed. 512 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,840 What happened to the film? 513 00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:40,179 - Never got made. - Too controversial? 514 00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:41,550 Too honest, I think. 515 00:44:42,388 --> 00:44:45,428 It was about how Mr. Kissinger, the CIA, and the Pentagon... 516 00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:48,226 ...had made Chile safe for democracy. 517 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,900 So I quit TV and joined the League. 518 00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:56,605 Got to know Paul better. 519 00:44:59,321 --> 00:45:01,701 How about you? You have a wife? 520 00:45:01,782 --> 00:45:02,992 Yes. 521 00:45:03,492 --> 00:45:05,082 - Kids? - Three. 522 00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:08,618 Two at university, one away at school. 523 00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:11,329 - See them much? - Not as often as I'd like. 524 00:45:11,417 --> 00:45:14,747 May I have your attention, please? Telephone call for Mr. Kerrigan. 525 00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:18,007 - Would a Mr. Kerrigan please... - Excuse me. 526 00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:19,590 Thank you. 527 00:45:26,932 --> 00:45:28,102 Yes? 528 00:45:28,308 --> 00:45:31,598 It's Tom. I got that stuff on Harris, what there is of it. 529 00:45:31,687 --> 00:45:32,847 Go ahead. 530 00:45:32,938 --> 00:45:37,318 The first name's James John. Born Gateshead, 1 942. 531 00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:41,899 Religion, Protestant. Joined the army, 1 960, as a private soldier. 532 00:45:42,114 --> 00:45:44,664 Promoted to the rank of lieutenant in '64. 533 00:45:45,325 --> 00:45:48,075 Doesn't say which mob. 1 971 ... 534 00:45:48,412 --> 00:45:49,582 ...he attended a course... 535 00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:54,173 ...at the United States Army Special Warfare School at Fort Bragg. 536 00:45:54,418 --> 00:45:56,588 A year later, 1 972... 537 00:45:56,962 --> 00:46:01,592 ...he was seconded to the Psychological Warfare Unit... 538 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,840 ...known as PSYOPS. 539 00:46:02,968 --> 00:46:05,338 - The same place Molloy went to. - Right. 540 00:46:05,429 --> 00:46:09,389 In 1 973, he was sent to Northern Ireland as a senior captain. 541 00:46:10,058 --> 00:46:14,978 That's it, apart from a list of postings at various regiments. 542 00:46:15,105 --> 00:46:17,145 - Nothing else? - Dead end. 543 00:46:17,316 --> 00:46:18,646 And since '73? 544 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:21,648 - Classified. - They told you that? 545 00:46:21,737 --> 00:46:23,907 With great emphasis. The shutters came down. 546 00:46:31,163 --> 00:46:34,173 If there is a connection between Paul's death and Harris... 547 00:46:34,249 --> 00:46:35,959 There has to be. 548 00:46:36,251 --> 00:46:38,631 Then I need to know more about the background. 549 00:46:38,712 --> 00:46:40,962 Why not start with where he is? 550 00:46:41,048 --> 00:46:43,588 According to the colonel I spoke to in Lisburn... 551 00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:46,175 ...Harris is away on leave and can't be traced. 552 00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:50,430 There was a hint he may be suffering from stress. 553 00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:52,426 Do you believe that? 554 00:46:52,684 --> 00:46:53,854 No. 555 00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:56,395 Mr. Kerrigan... 556 00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:59,229 How far are you willing to go with this? 557 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:01,190 If... 558 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:03,900 ...and it's still a big if... 559 00:47:03,987 --> 00:47:07,737 ...but if Harris is, in any way, connected with this shooting... 560 00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:10,905 ...I don't care whose toes I tread on. 561 00:47:10,994 --> 00:47:15,334 He becomes part of the investigation, no more, no less. 562 00:47:17,209 --> 00:47:18,999 - Okay? - Okay. 563 00:47:20,504 --> 00:47:23,844 What it boils down to, Sergeant, is that you're in deep trouble. 564 00:47:24,216 --> 00:47:27,466 You're in a shit storm, and it's blowing around your ears. 565 00:47:27,553 --> 00:47:29,853 We're not just talking about disciplinary charges. 566 00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:31,810 It goes beyond that. 567 00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:34,520 You could be facing a murder charge. 568 00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:37,442 This man Sullivan was no run-of-the-mill Paddy... 569 00:47:37,521 --> 00:47:39,481 ...you could just blow away. 570 00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:42,315 He was an American lawyer with an international reputation. 571 00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:45,491 Now, there is no way this will be brushed under the carpet. 572 00:47:47,072 --> 00:47:48,782 How old are you? 573 00:47:49,616 --> 00:47:50,776 37. 574 00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:54,950 - How long have you been on the force? - Twelve years. 575 00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:03,800 Two years ago, you shot dead a Republican in the Falls. 576 00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:07,171 - It was either him or me, sir. - I'm not criticizing you, Sergeant. 577 00:48:07,259 --> 00:48:09,049 You should have been given a commendation. 578 00:48:09,136 --> 00:48:11,676 - I was. - I'm on your side. 579 00:48:13,932 --> 00:48:15,812 But if you go down for this... 580 00:48:16,602 --> 00:48:20,612 ...how long do you think you'd last in the Crumlin Road Prison? 581 00:48:25,569 --> 00:48:27,739 - You searched the bodies? - Yes, sir. 582 00:48:27,821 --> 00:48:30,361 - Took away all personal effects? - Yes, sir. 583 00:48:30,490 --> 00:48:32,740 Find anything interesting on Sullivan? 584 00:48:32,993 --> 00:48:37,753 Usual stuff: Wallet, money, ID card. 585 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:41,250 What about the tape he was carrying? 586 00:48:43,879 --> 00:48:45,919 There was no tape, sir. 587 00:48:47,549 --> 00:48:49,879 - Are you getting all this? - Yes, sir. 588 00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,548 - Read out that last bit. - From where? 589 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:54,258 From me asking about the tape. 590 00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:59,556 "What about the tape he was carrying?" "There was no tape, sir". 591 00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:02,811 Do you want me to leave it at that? 592 00:49:02,981 --> 00:49:06,571 It's up to you. You've already lied once in your statement to the CID. 593 00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:11,033 - I'm bound by the Official Secrets Act. - Not anymore, you're not. 594 00:49:12,157 --> 00:49:14,367 All constraints are lifted. 595 00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:18,495 You can wipe the slate clean and tell me everything that happened... 596 00:49:18,580 --> 00:49:21,920 ...and you might get off with a reprimand, or you bury yourself deeper. 597 00:49:22,709 --> 00:49:24,499 So what's it gonna be? 598 00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:34,468 After the shooting... 599 00:49:35,722 --> 00:49:38,932 ...we returned to the barracks for the debriefing. 600 00:49:41,269 --> 00:49:42,979 We were told... 601 00:49:43,855 --> 00:49:46,605 ...by a senior officer what to say. 602 00:49:48,026 --> 00:49:49,236 Name? 603 00:49:51,029 --> 00:49:52,659 Superintendent Fraser. 604 00:49:53,657 --> 00:49:55,867 He instructed you to lie to the CID? 605 00:49:55,993 --> 00:49:57,453 Yes, sir. 606 00:49:57,536 --> 00:50:00,536 He said it was to protect our source of information. 607 00:50:00,622 --> 00:50:02,622 Do you know what that source was? 608 00:50:02,708 --> 00:50:04,828 No, sir. We were only told to intercept. 609 00:50:05,877 --> 00:50:08,497 Were you ordered to shoot on sight? 610 00:50:09,715 --> 00:50:11,665 Not in so many words. 611 00:50:12,551 --> 00:50:13,841 What does that mean? 612 00:50:14,845 --> 00:50:18,885 We were told that the two men in the car were armed and dangerous... 613 00:50:18,974 --> 00:50:22,024 ...and we mustn't take any chances with them. 614 00:50:22,894 --> 00:50:25,154 How did you interpret that? 615 00:50:26,064 --> 00:50:28,984 I got the feeling that we were being given clear signals... 616 00:50:29,067 --> 00:50:33,067 ...to bring them back dead or alive, and there'd be no questions asked. 617 00:50:33,905 --> 00:50:36,195 Now, tell me about the tape. 618 00:50:38,035 --> 00:50:40,285 We took it from the American. 619 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:41,660 Go on. 620 00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:44,791 When we got back to the barracks... 621 00:50:45,417 --> 00:50:47,417 ...Mr. Fraser was there to meet us. 622 00:50:47,502 --> 00:50:49,632 And there was someone else along with him. 623 00:50:49,713 --> 00:50:52,923 - A police officer? - More like Special Branch. 624 00:50:53,258 --> 00:50:55,838 - What was his name? - I don't know. 625 00:50:55,927 --> 00:50:57,297 But he seemed to be in charge. 626 00:50:58,847 --> 00:51:00,767 Can you describe him? 627 00:51:01,266 --> 00:51:02,676 English... 628 00:51:03,602 --> 00:51:04,892 ...tall... 629 00:51:05,562 --> 00:51:07,272 ...thinning on top... 630 00:51:07,939 --> 00:51:09,519 ...age, about 40. 631 00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,318 So what happened? 632 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:18,620 The first thing the tall man asked about was the tape. 633 00:51:19,993 --> 00:51:22,413 - Which he took with him? - Yes, sir. 634 00:51:22,954 --> 00:51:26,754 Have you any idea what was on the tape? -Not a clue, sir. 635 00:51:30,128 --> 00:51:31,418 Okay. 636 00:51:32,923 --> 00:51:36,513 We'll just run through it again. Then you can sign it. 637 00:51:40,847 --> 00:51:43,017 Do you have his statement? 638 00:51:46,978 --> 00:51:48,438 Here. Now. 639 00:51:49,147 --> 00:51:52,777 The senior officer that did the debriefing, Superintendent Fraser, yeah... 640 00:51:52,859 --> 00:51:55,189 ...I want to see him today. 641 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,400 What do you think? 642 00:51:56,488 --> 00:51:59,158 I think it's time I had a word with Mr. Brodie... 643 00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:03,621 ...after I've interviewed Fraser. There's something else I want you to do. 644 00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:07,374 Before he left the hotel, Sullivan wrote a list of names. 645 00:52:07,457 --> 00:52:09,577 I want you to check them. 646 00:52:09,918 --> 00:52:13,798 The connection is obvious. Famous punters, what have you. 647 00:52:14,673 --> 00:52:17,093 I want something more specific. 648 00:52:17,634 --> 00:52:21,264 - Has Brodie seen this? - No. We'll keep it in the family. 649 00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:29,273 538, please. 650 00:52:32,816 --> 00:52:35,986 Here's your key, and there's a message for you as well. 651 00:54:00,403 --> 00:54:03,113 - Hiya. Come on in. - Thanks. 652 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:13,502 Hey. 653 00:54:14,918 --> 00:54:16,788 - Kevin. - Here you are. 654 00:54:17,545 --> 00:54:18,915 Thanks. 655 00:54:19,172 --> 00:54:22,592 Look, I was really sorry to hear about Mr. Sullivan. 656 00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:24,338 Thanks. 657 00:54:27,472 --> 00:54:28,932 Do you smoke? 658 00:54:29,015 --> 00:54:32,475 - Here. - Yes. Thanks. 659 00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:36,106 - So is it just you and Kevin? - Yeah. 660 00:54:36,648 --> 00:54:39,358 His dad's doing 1 2 years in the Kesh. 661 00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:41,649 What for? 662 00:54:42,445 --> 00:54:45,275 Possession of arms and IRA membership. 663 00:54:45,615 --> 00:54:49,365 He was doing a punishment for the IRA on some local gangsters... 664 00:54:49,452 --> 00:54:54,002 ...who were robbin' their own community, and he got caught by the RUC. 665 00:54:54,624 --> 00:54:57,584 Just like him. He never did have much luck. 666 00:54:59,170 --> 00:55:03,130 So you said in your note that you might have some information. 667 00:55:03,425 --> 00:55:05,715 I'm just delivering a message. 668 00:55:06,469 --> 00:55:09,809 Harris wants to meet you and the policeman Kerrigan. 669 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,600 - When? - Tomorrow night. 670 00:55:14,185 --> 00:55:17,595 Look, after what's happened, can you trust Kerrigan? 671 00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:23,361 - Yeah, I trust him. I think he's different. - Anyway, Harris wants him there. 672 00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:28,034 You're to meet at a Republican club off Falls Road. I have the address. 673 00:55:28,825 --> 00:55:30,905 Will Kerrigan be safe in a Republican club? 674 00:55:30,994 --> 00:55:34,164 He'll be safe as long as you're with him. 675 00:55:34,748 --> 00:55:37,878 I'll get you that photograph I told you about. 676 00:55:40,128 --> 00:55:41,628 This is it. 677 00:55:43,423 --> 00:55:45,763 He's an officer in the SAS. 678 00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:49,181 He led a killer squad across the border. 679 00:55:49,262 --> 00:55:51,682 That's where this photograph was taken. 680 00:56:00,231 --> 00:56:03,151 Is there anything in Sgt. Kennedy's statement... 681 00:56:03,234 --> 00:56:05,994 ...you disagree with, Superintendent? 682 00:56:06,905 --> 00:56:08,275 No, sir. 683 00:56:08,573 --> 00:56:12,033 He says that you instructed him to lie to the CID... 684 00:56:12,619 --> 00:56:16,039 ...about the shooting of Paul Sullivan and Frank Molloy. Is this true? 685 00:56:17,624 --> 00:56:19,634 It was to protect our source of information. 686 00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:23,049 - Can you tell me what that source was? - That's classified information. 687 00:56:23,129 --> 00:56:26,379 - On whose orders? - On the orders of Mr. Brodie. 688 00:56:29,761 --> 00:56:33,511 When your men returned to the barracks, they were given a debriefing. 689 00:56:33,765 --> 00:56:36,265 Were they given a cover-up story? 690 00:56:37,268 --> 00:56:39,478 Certain evidence was withheld, yes. 691 00:56:39,562 --> 00:56:43,362 A dress rehearsal, so they could decide what to tell the CID? 692 00:56:44,859 --> 00:56:46,649 - Yes, sir. - By you? 693 00:56:47,821 --> 00:56:50,701 Yes, sir, but I was acting under orders. 694 00:56:53,660 --> 00:56:55,580 This Englishman... 695 00:56:57,288 --> 00:56:59,918 ...tall, thinning hair, about 40... 696 00:57:00,708 --> 00:57:03,038 ...who took the tape, who is he? 697 00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:06,802 - Don't know, sir. - Have you seen him before? 698 00:57:09,217 --> 00:57:11,337 Once, with Mr. Brodie. 699 00:57:11,678 --> 00:57:12,968 Where? 700 00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:16,274 Here, in this building. 701 00:57:16,933 --> 00:57:20,733 - Did he show you his authority? - No, sir. 702 00:57:21,938 --> 00:57:24,608 He just walked in and took the tape? 703 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,280 I received a phone call from Mr. Brodie. 704 00:57:28,945 --> 00:57:30,525 He told you to give it to him? 705 00:57:32,031 --> 00:57:33,451 Yes, sir. 706 00:57:35,827 --> 00:57:38,327 - Would you mind if I smoke, sir? - Yes, I do. 707 00:57:55,889 --> 00:57:57,389 Go! 708 00:57:57,891 --> 00:57:59,141 Move! Move it! 709 00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:01,476 Get out of here! 710 00:58:02,562 --> 00:58:05,482 - Police! - Get out of my house! 711 00:58:07,192 --> 00:58:10,532 - There's nobody in there! Just get out! - Get inside, get in there. 712 00:58:10,612 --> 00:58:13,862 What do you want? My baby's in there. Don't let them go in there! 713 00:58:13,948 --> 00:58:16,328 I'm arresting you under the Emergency Provisions Act. 714 00:58:16,409 --> 00:58:19,289 - Get your clothes on now! - What are they doing? 715 00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:20,830 My baby's in the other room. 716 00:58:20,914 --> 00:58:23,464 Okay, that's too bad. Get your clothes on! 717 00:58:23,541 --> 00:58:26,251 - No! What are you arresting me for? - Get your clothes on. 718 00:58:26,336 --> 00:58:29,586 - I'm arresting you under Section 1 1 ! - I haven't done anything! 719 00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:33,262 - We'll see about that! - Will you, now? I'm going nowhere! 720 00:58:33,343 --> 00:58:35,513 Tell him to get out of there! My baby's in there! 721 00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:38,555 - Get your clothes on now! - I'm putting no clothes on! 722 00:58:42,227 --> 00:58:44,557 Get off! 723 00:58:44,646 --> 00:58:47,016 - You bitch! - Get off! 724 00:58:49,859 --> 00:58:52,859 - Get off me! - Just calm down! 725 00:58:52,946 --> 00:58:54,986 I'm going nowhere until I've seen a solicitor! 726 00:58:55,073 --> 00:58:58,833 - Just calm down! Open the door, Sam. - What about my baby next door? 727 00:58:59,077 --> 00:59:01,407 Open that door. We're going downtown. 728 00:59:01,996 --> 00:59:04,326 - I'm going nowhere! - Hold her! 729 00:59:12,966 --> 00:59:16,216 - Has Brodie's office returned my call yet? - No. 730 00:59:17,262 --> 00:59:18,892 Try again now. 731 00:59:25,728 --> 00:59:27,438 Mr. Kerrigan's secretary. 732 00:59:27,522 --> 00:59:30,942 Did you set up that appointment with Mr. Brodie yet? 733 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:34,569 Why not? I've been trying since 1 2:00 yesterday. 734 00:59:36,739 --> 00:59:38,949 Excuse me. He can't meet you today. 735 00:59:39,033 --> 00:59:42,243 - He has an official engagement. - Playing games. 736 00:59:43,371 --> 00:59:45,001 Find out when he's leaving. 737 00:59:46,291 --> 00:59:48,381 Is Mr. Brodie there now? 738 00:59:49,377 --> 00:59:52,127 What time's his appointment? Thank you. 739 00:59:52,797 --> 00:59:54,207 He's there until 2:30. 740 01:00:06,603 --> 01:00:09,863 Two statements: Fraser's and Sgt. Kennedy's. 741 01:00:09,939 --> 01:00:13,109 - I'd like to see them. - They'll be in my report. 742 01:00:13,276 --> 01:00:15,646 - And now you want to question me? - Interview you. 743 01:00:15,737 --> 01:00:18,607 - Make an appointment. - All right. When? 744 01:00:19,073 --> 01:00:22,283 - At my convenience. - Will you get off your fuckin' high horse? 745 01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:25,910 I don't ask your cooperation! I demand it! 746 01:00:27,874 --> 01:00:31,594 - What is it you want? - Everything, chapter and verse. 747 01:00:32,503 --> 01:00:34,673 - That might not be possible. - Why not? 748 01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:37,094 Give me your question, and please try to hurry. 749 01:00:37,175 --> 01:00:39,635 I've got another funeral to attend. 750 01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:43,809 Both Superintendent Fraser and Sgt. Kennedy admit there was a cover-up. 751 01:00:45,099 --> 01:00:48,099 - Fraser says you ordered it. - Classified. 752 01:00:48,186 --> 01:00:49,516 Then the buck stops here? 753 01:00:49,646 --> 01:00:52,266 - It's classified. - I can't accept that. 754 01:00:52,357 --> 01:00:55,227 Then put that in your report, too. Next question. 755 01:00:55,777 --> 01:00:57,067 - He says... - Who says? 756 01:00:57,153 --> 01:01:01,623 Fraser says it was in order to protect the source. 757 01:01:02,033 --> 01:01:04,913 - That's acceptable. - Not to me, it isn't. 758 01:01:04,994 --> 01:01:07,204 That's because you have been meddling in things... 759 01:01:07,330 --> 01:01:11,540 Meddling? I am conducting an investigation, for Christ's Sake! 760 01:01:12,794 --> 01:01:15,054 Cover-up stories are used to protect informants... 761 01:01:15,129 --> 01:01:17,759 ...whose lives might be endangered. 762 01:01:18,007 --> 01:01:19,217 Look. 763 01:01:19,384 --> 01:01:23,354 The last thing I want to do is to probe into sensitive areas. 764 01:01:23,805 --> 01:01:26,215 But these civil-liberties people are organised. 765 01:01:26,307 --> 01:01:29,177 They're sending over a lawyer from the States for the inquest. 766 01:01:29,268 --> 01:01:30,268 So? 767 01:01:30,353 --> 01:01:32,943 They'll make mincemeat out of you. They'll ask questions. 768 01:01:33,022 --> 01:01:35,022 I've got a couple questions of my own. 769 01:01:35,566 --> 01:01:37,146 There was no roadblock. 770 01:01:37,235 --> 01:01:39,775 No witnesses were questioned, no resistance offered. 771 01:01:39,862 --> 01:01:42,032 The weapon found in the car had no fingerprints. 772 01:01:42,115 --> 01:01:44,275 Forensic showed the shot that killed Sullivan... 773 01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:48,657 ...was fired at a distance of two meters after the car had crashed. 774 01:01:48,788 --> 01:01:51,118 The officers involved were acting on the assumption... 775 01:01:51,207 --> 01:01:53,327 ...that both men were armed and dangerous. 776 01:01:53,418 --> 01:01:54,838 Prove it. 777 01:01:56,587 --> 01:02:00,127 What was Sullivan doing in Dungannon at 5:00 in the morning with Molloy? 778 01:02:00,216 --> 01:02:01,626 Was there a warrant out for them? 779 01:02:01,718 --> 01:02:04,048 - No, there wasn't. - Then you've no case. 780 01:02:04,137 --> 01:02:07,057 There's no law against two men deciding to go out for a drive. 781 01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:10,140 When that comes out in court, your cover story will be blown... 782 01:02:10,226 --> 01:02:13,396 ...because neither Kennedy nor Fraser are prepared to carry the can. 783 01:02:13,479 --> 01:02:16,059 - That's for the DPP to decide. - Will he have a choice? 784 01:02:16,149 --> 01:02:19,859 When that lawyer gets him at the inquest, he'll squeeze him like toothpaste. 785 01:02:19,944 --> 01:02:22,994 Do you think I give a shit about a smart-arsed American lawyer? 786 01:02:23,072 --> 01:02:24,952 I would, if I were you! 787 01:02:25,032 --> 01:02:29,662 Yes. The RUC do run covert operations, but so do the IRA! 788 01:02:29,871 --> 01:02:33,461 If you want to bring home the bacon, you first of all have to kill the pig. 789 01:02:34,584 --> 01:02:36,714 Now, if you will excuse me... 790 01:02:37,128 --> 01:02:40,048 ...three of our young men are being buried this morning. 791 01:02:40,131 --> 01:02:41,881 Blown up by a land mine. 792 01:02:44,844 --> 01:02:46,434 I have more questions. 793 01:02:46,512 --> 01:02:49,012 Two of them were married with young children. 794 01:02:49,098 --> 01:02:50,848 I want that tape. 795 01:02:52,894 --> 01:02:54,064 What tape? 796 01:02:54,187 --> 01:02:57,897 The tape they found on Sullivan's body and brought back to Gough Barracks. 797 01:02:58,649 --> 01:02:59,939 This Fraser again? 798 01:03:00,026 --> 01:03:01,986 And Kennedy. It's in both their statements. 799 01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:04,239 - I don't have the tape. - But you know who does. 800 01:03:04,322 --> 01:03:07,412 - Classified information. - "Classified" bullshit! 801 01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:11,870 What the fuck are you people runnin' here? Your own private shooting war? 802 01:03:11,954 --> 01:03:13,874 Checks and balances, Mr. Kerrigan. 803 01:03:13,956 --> 01:03:16,206 Between the jigs and the reels, we are winning. 804 01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:19,132 And innocent lives are being saved as a result! 805 01:03:19,962 --> 01:03:22,802 The source you wish to protect is Army Intelligence. 806 01:03:22,965 --> 01:03:24,335 Am I right? 807 01:03:27,303 --> 01:03:29,473 - What did you say? - I'll say it again quickly. 808 01:03:29,597 --> 01:03:31,597 Molloy and Sullivan were killed for that tape... 809 01:03:31,682 --> 01:03:35,232 ...and Army Intelligence, MI5, Ml6, call it what you want, are involved... 810 01:03:35,311 --> 01:03:38,361 ...and I want to know why, Mr. Brodie. 811 01:03:38,773 --> 01:03:41,233 - Then take it up with them. - You ordered it. 812 01:03:41,317 --> 01:03:44,237 My participation was limited to policing the operation. 813 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,990 - That will sound wonderful in court. - What court? 814 01:03:47,114 --> 01:03:49,284 There will be accounting. Charges will be made. 815 01:03:49,367 --> 01:03:51,617 - By you? - I'll recommend it in my report. 816 01:03:51,744 --> 01:03:53,914 Which I shall take to the DPP for him to decide. 817 01:03:53,996 --> 01:03:55,286 - It won't work. - What won't? 818 01:03:55,373 --> 01:03:57,463 Not at my expense, it won't. 819 01:03:57,708 --> 01:04:01,998 My God, you're catchin' the Irish disease. You're gettin' paranoid. 820 01:04:02,296 --> 01:04:05,126 If necessary, I'm prepared to resign over this... 821 01:04:05,216 --> 01:04:08,006 ...and start telling tales out of school. 822 01:04:08,094 --> 01:04:11,814 I don't think you will. You're a career officer like me. 823 01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:15,560 - I mean it. - You'd resign the force and go public? 824 01:04:15,643 --> 01:04:17,233 If I have to. 825 01:04:17,728 --> 01:04:21,568 Listen, we're both professionals. We observe certain rules. 826 01:04:21,774 --> 01:04:23,654 Then understand. 827 01:04:23,901 --> 01:04:25,571 Without access to that tape... 828 01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:28,783 ...it is impossible for me to evaluate the evidence. 829 01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:33,575 I'm afraid I can't help you there. I have neither seen nor heard that tape. 830 01:04:33,744 --> 01:04:37,874 And frankly, I don't want the burden. Now, if you will excuse me. 831 01:04:41,752 --> 01:04:43,342 Who's Harris? 832 01:04:44,922 --> 01:04:46,262 Harris? 833 01:04:46,757 --> 01:04:48,837 I've never heard of him. 834 01:04:53,514 --> 01:04:57,274 Ms. McKechnie, will you show Mr. Kerrigan out of my office, please? 835 01:05:12,491 --> 01:05:15,081 I wonder what Harris' connection with the Provos is? 836 01:05:15,369 --> 01:05:18,409 - Why do you think he has one? - Why else meet in an IRA club? 837 01:05:18,539 --> 01:05:20,619 - It's a Republican club. - Same difference. 838 01:05:20,708 --> 01:05:23,418 Not every Republican supports the IRA. 839 01:05:23,794 --> 01:05:27,094 Let's hope you're right. I could be putting my head in a noose. 840 01:05:27,173 --> 01:05:29,343 I don't think you have to worry. 841 01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:32,217 You can count on the IRA to be predictable. 842 01:05:32,303 --> 01:05:34,763 Yes. They shoot policemen. 843 01:05:53,658 --> 01:05:55,618 Did you lock the door? 844 01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,635 - Are you lookin' for someone? - Teresa Doyle. 845 01:06:21,727 --> 01:06:23,937 - You have to be signed in by a member. - Pardon? 846 01:06:24,021 --> 01:06:28,111 - You have to be signed in by a member. - That's why I'm waiting for her to come. 847 01:06:28,192 --> 01:06:32,782 It's okay, Danny. I know these people. I take full responsibility for them. 848 01:06:32,863 --> 01:06:35,203 Welcome to the James Connolly Republican Club. 849 01:06:35,282 --> 01:06:38,282 I'm Liam Philbin, Sinn Fein rep for this area and club secretary. 850 01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:39,579 Ingrid Jessner. 851 01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:41,122 Hello. Peter Kerrigan. 852 01:06:41,956 --> 01:06:44,076 - Got here okay, then? - Yeah, fine, thanks. 853 01:06:44,166 --> 01:06:47,126 Would you like to buy a football ticket? Football ticket. 854 01:06:47,461 --> 01:06:48,841 Never misses a trick. 855 01:06:48,921 --> 01:06:51,341 - Fifty pence. - Four. 856 01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:53,173 Thank you. 857 01:06:55,177 --> 01:06:58,887 Congratulations. You've just contributed to a fund for Republican prisoners. 858 01:06:58,973 --> 01:06:59,933 Thank you very much. 859 01:07:00,016 --> 01:07:02,176 - Here's a present. - Down to you. 860 01:07:02,268 --> 01:07:04,728 - Shall we go in? - Sure. Is Teresa here? 861 01:07:04,812 --> 01:07:07,612 - No, Teresa got lifted on Monday. - Lifted? What for? 862 01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:10,230 Harassment. Happens all the time. 863 01:07:10,693 --> 01:07:12,073 - Is she all right? - She's okay. 864 01:07:12,153 --> 01:07:14,783 - And the baby? - They're being looked after. 865 01:07:14,864 --> 01:07:16,994 "In the Maidstone and the Maze 866 01:07:17,366 --> 01:07:21,156 "I thought about my land throughout these days 867 01:07:21,954 --> 01:07:24,544 "Why my country was divided 868 01:07:24,832 --> 01:07:27,212 "Why I was now in jail 869 01:07:27,501 --> 01:07:31,131 "Imprisoned without crime or without trial 870 01:07:32,506 --> 01:07:37,216 "And now I love my country I am not a bitter man 871 01:07:37,470 --> 01:07:41,470 "I've seen cruelty and injustice at first hand 872 01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:47,979 "And then one fateful mornin' I shook bold freedom's hand 873 01:07:48,355 --> 01:07:51,605 "For right or wrong, I tried to free my land 874 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:57,989 "And you dare call me a terrorist while you look down your gun 875 01:07:58,199 --> 01:08:01,949 "When I think of all the deeds that you have done 876 01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:07,869 "You have plundered many nations, divided many lands 877 01:08:08,125 --> 01:08:12,915 "You have terrorised their people You've ruled with an iron hand 878 01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:17,009 "And you've brought this reign of terror to my land 879 01:08:18,552 --> 01:08:23,262 "And you dare call me a terrorist while you look down your gun 880 01:08:23,641 --> 01:08:27,521 "When I think of all the deeds that you have done 881 01:08:28,604 --> 01:08:33,274 "You have plundered many nations, divided many lands 882 01:08:33,442 --> 01:08:38,362 "You have terrorised their people You've ruled with an iron hand 883 01:08:38,656 --> 01:08:42,576 "And you've brought this reign of terror to my land 884 01:08:44,078 --> 01:08:48,958 "You've brought this reign of terror to my land" 885 01:08:50,292 --> 01:08:51,752 Thank you. 886 01:08:57,967 --> 01:09:00,547 Jimmy here's gonna do the next one. 887 01:09:03,305 --> 01:09:05,845 On the wall, you see a picture of James Connolly... 888 01:09:05,933 --> 01:09:07,853 ...one of our greatest-ever Irish leaders. 889 01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:11,904 Connolly said, many years ago, that England has no more moral right... 890 01:09:12,231 --> 01:09:13,901 ...to administer Irish affairs... 891 01:09:13,983 --> 01:09:16,993 ...than it has to administer the affairs of America or Japan. 892 01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:21,449 No more moral right to police us than it has a moral right to shoot us. 893 01:09:21,532 --> 01:09:23,532 That is the answer: British withdrawal. 894 01:09:23,659 --> 01:09:24,989 That's the answer... 895 01:09:25,828 --> 01:09:29,538 ...but innocent people have been killed. 896 01:09:29,623 --> 01:09:33,213 Yes, innocent people have been killed and are being killed. 897 01:09:33,335 --> 01:09:36,295 But if you look at all the colonies, for instance, America. 898 01:09:36,380 --> 01:09:38,840 George Washington was called a terrorist in his time. 899 01:09:38,924 --> 01:09:43,054 Jomo Kenyatta was a terrorist. Archbishop Makarios was a terrorist. 900 01:09:43,137 --> 01:09:46,757 Unfortunately, colonies appear to have to fight for their freedom. 901 01:09:46,891 --> 01:09:49,481 It is never granted willingly. They must struggle for it. 902 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:50,890 Liam... 903 01:09:51,353 --> 01:09:54,113 Do you know why Paul was with Mr. Molloy that morning? 904 01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:57,650 Yes. Molloy was taking him to meet Harris, in fact. 905 01:09:57,735 --> 01:09:59,815 - Where? - At a safe house. 906 01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:01,276 That you provided? 907 01:10:01,363 --> 01:10:05,123 - Yes. Our interests coincided. - In what way? 908 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,750 Let's just say that our enemies became his enemies. 909 01:10:09,121 --> 01:10:11,001 Where is he, Liam? 910 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:15,337 He's out the back here, waitin' for you. If you like, we'll go now and see him. 911 01:10:15,419 --> 01:10:17,669 - Yes. - Good, then. Come on. 912 01:10:24,678 --> 01:10:26,798 "Gloucester's crumbling pushed us westward 913 01:10:26,889 --> 01:10:30,179 "To liberate all the Irish Some of us that came to fight 914 01:10:30,267 --> 01:10:32,687 "From Tipperary mountainside" 915 01:10:36,857 --> 01:10:38,267 Here's your visitors now. 916 01:10:39,318 --> 01:10:42,148 - Thank you, Liam. - Okay. I'll leave you to it. 917 01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:43,488 Thank you. 918 01:10:44,198 --> 01:10:46,318 - Harris? - Yes. 919 01:10:47,451 --> 01:10:51,041 - How much has Liam told you? - Only that Molloy brought you here... 920 01:10:51,163 --> 01:10:54,173 ...and that you were sheltered by the IRA. 921 01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:57,670 - And you find that reprehensible? - For Molloy? No. 922 01:10:57,962 --> 01:10:59,752 No. He has his loyalties. 923 01:10:59,838 --> 01:11:03,968 But for you, an officer serving in the British Army, yes. 924 01:11:09,765 --> 01:11:12,555 I am terribly sorry about what happened. 925 01:11:12,643 --> 01:11:14,943 I really didn't think they'd go that far. 926 01:11:15,813 --> 01:11:18,153 Why did you want to see Paul? 927 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:22,190 - I gave him a tape. Didn't you know that? - Not till later. 928 01:11:24,405 --> 01:11:26,065 Coming here could cost me my life. 929 01:11:26,156 --> 01:11:30,326 Mine, too, but unlike you, I don't have the IRA to protect me. 930 01:11:30,452 --> 01:11:32,662 I gave the IRA nothing. 931 01:11:49,805 --> 01:11:52,885 I was an Army Intelligence officer co-opted to work with Ml6... 932 01:11:52,975 --> 01:11:54,675 ...and MI5 when they took over. 933 01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:56,190 PSYOPS. 934 01:11:56,645 --> 01:11:59,725 Our cover name was "Information Policy Unit". 935 01:12:00,232 --> 01:12:03,402 Our official function was to liaise with the press... 936 01:12:03,485 --> 01:12:06,525 ...and prepare public relations programs. 937 01:12:07,197 --> 01:12:08,817 And unofficial? 938 01:12:09,408 --> 01:12:11,238 We had our own printing press. 939 01:12:11,327 --> 01:12:14,907 We'd forge documents attributed to Republican sources. 940 01:12:15,205 --> 01:12:19,205 We'd provide material for the media: Newspapers, magazines, television. 941 01:12:19,293 --> 01:12:20,883 - Black propaganda? - Yes. 942 01:12:20,961 --> 01:12:22,961 What kind of material? 943 01:12:23,797 --> 01:12:26,257 Whatever we thought was necessary. 944 01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:29,682 We'd invent stories, leak truths, leak lies... 945 01:12:30,179 --> 01:12:31,389 ...leak half-truths. 946 01:12:31,847 --> 01:12:34,267 Accountable to the politicians. 947 01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:38,690 Let us get one thing straight, Kerrigan. 948 01:12:38,896 --> 01:12:41,056 We were accountable to no one. 949 01:12:41,148 --> 01:12:45,228 The Prime Minister, Parliament, the courts, the great British public... 950 01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:49,239 It made no difference. They were all there to be manipulated. 951 01:12:49,531 --> 01:12:53,491 - And that didn't bother you? - Not against the IRA, it didn't. 952 01:12:54,495 --> 01:12:57,535 But during the election of '74... 953 01:12:59,041 --> 01:13:01,831 ...our work became increasingly political. 954 01:13:01,919 --> 01:13:03,959 MI5 were running things. 955 01:13:04,046 --> 01:13:06,256 Our long-term objectives were abandoned. 956 01:13:06,423 --> 01:13:10,013 The new emphasis was on assassination teams, bounty hunters. 957 01:13:10,469 --> 01:13:13,049 But the PSYOPS unit continued to operate? 958 01:13:13,305 --> 01:13:15,765 Yes, but with fresh targets. 959 01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:20,770 During the '70s, the Conservative Party was demoralised and divided. 960 01:13:20,854 --> 01:13:22,864 They saw their party leader, Edward Heath... 961 01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:26,320 ...cave in against the miners' strike of '74 and were searching for... 962 01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:29,072 ...a new leader from the hard right. 963 01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:34,740 We circulated stories about his private life. 964 01:13:35,452 --> 01:13:36,542 Heath was dumped. 965 01:13:36,745 --> 01:13:38,905 And replaced by Thatcher. 966 01:13:39,081 --> 01:13:41,121 Yeah, but that wasn't enough. 967 01:13:41,208 --> 01:13:43,838 There was concern amongst business and the military... 968 01:13:43,919 --> 01:13:46,419 ...that Labour were heading for a third term in office. 969 01:13:46,505 --> 01:13:49,005 The moderates would be replaced by the left-wingers... 970 01:13:49,091 --> 01:13:52,591 ...who, in turn, would be opposed to NATO and nuclear weapons. 971 01:13:52,678 --> 01:13:57,008 Remember, inflation was running rife, industry was crippled by strikes. 972 01:13:57,266 --> 01:13:59,516 What is this leading up to? 973 01:13:59,601 --> 01:14:01,351 Treason, Mr. Kerrigan. 974 01:14:02,271 --> 01:14:05,611 Pressure came from the CIA to get rid of the Labour government. 975 01:14:05,691 --> 01:14:06,731 Jesus. 976 01:14:07,109 --> 01:14:10,319 They fed information to M1 5 that Prime Minister Wilson... 977 01:14:10,404 --> 01:14:12,414 ...was a KGB agent. 978 01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:15,581 It was a joint CIA-MI5 operation... 979 01:14:16,034 --> 01:14:18,084 ...supported by others in Whitehall. 980 01:14:18,537 --> 01:14:21,577 Yeah, the whole bag of dirty tricks was used: 981 01:14:22,499 --> 01:14:27,039 Smears, break-ins, burglaries, phone-tapping, blackmail, disinformation. 982 01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:34,757 - If what you say is true... - It all landed on my desk. 983 01:14:34,845 --> 01:14:37,925 - And you believed it? - I did when it was used by Alec Nevin... 984 01:14:38,474 --> 01:14:41,234 ...the future Prime Minister's closest political ally... 985 01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:44,980 ...the principal architect of her victory over Edward Heath. 986 01:14:45,063 --> 01:14:48,363 You're saying that Thatcher was involved in this? 987 01:14:50,736 --> 01:14:53,736 No, but she was the main beneficiary. 988 01:14:55,824 --> 01:15:00,294 The files and documents I got from MI5 I turned into articles and essays... 989 01:15:00,370 --> 01:15:02,330 ...for selected journalists... 990 01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:04,713 ...and speeches for Alec Nevin. 991 01:15:07,127 --> 01:15:10,837 - Why should I believe you? - Because it's all on the tape. 992 01:15:11,507 --> 01:15:14,087 Why else do you think they tried to get rid of me? 993 01:15:14,218 --> 01:15:16,588 If this comes out, with Nevin's explicit connections... 994 01:15:16,678 --> 01:15:19,598 ...to the Prime Minister, the spotlight falls on Number 1 0. 995 01:15:19,681 --> 01:15:22,891 - That's why his name is on the list. - What list? 996 01:15:23,268 --> 01:15:25,648 Paul made a list of six names. 997 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:31,280 - Do you have them with you? - I took them. 998 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,030 Then I suggest you study that list very carefully. 999 01:15:34,112 --> 01:15:36,702 - Why? - Because they are the prime movers... 1000 01:15:37,241 --> 01:15:40,991 ...Nevin's ideological counterparts in business, industry, the military. 1001 01:15:41,078 --> 01:15:43,078 Together they form the nucleus. 1002 01:15:43,205 --> 01:15:45,285 Their priority was to wreck Labour's chances 1003 01:15:45,374 --> 01:15:47,044 of winning another general election... 1004 01:15:47,125 --> 01:15:49,705 ...and if necessary, were prepared to go even further. 1005 01:15:49,795 --> 01:15:52,295 You want wrapping up in a blanket. 1006 01:15:52,381 --> 01:15:55,971 Paul knew this. He heard the tape. He had the tape. 1007 01:15:56,051 --> 01:15:58,681 - That's why they murdered him. - I think you're insane. 1008 01:15:58,762 --> 01:15:59,802 I can prove it. 1009 01:15:59,888 --> 01:16:03,428 - Why would he lie? - I don't know: Guilt, pressure... 1010 01:16:05,394 --> 01:16:07,024 ...acute paranoia. 1011 01:16:07,104 --> 01:16:09,274 - I'm as sane as you are. - And I believe him. 1012 01:16:09,356 --> 01:16:11,316 It couldn't happen. 1013 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,730 It did. 1014 01:16:24,788 --> 01:16:26,788 Why didn't you resign? 1015 01:16:30,752 --> 01:16:32,802 I was a career officer. 1016 01:16:34,006 --> 01:16:36,916 One hoped that the situation would change. 1017 01:16:38,093 --> 01:16:41,053 But I also saw what happened to people in a similar position. 1018 01:16:41,471 --> 01:16:43,221 Good men ruined. 1019 01:16:43,348 --> 01:16:44,968 So you went along with it? 1020 01:16:45,559 --> 01:16:46,729 No. 1021 01:16:47,311 --> 01:16:51,521 I asked questions about it. At first, they were very understanding. 1022 01:16:51,732 --> 01:16:55,532 They said I was suffering from stress, mental fatigue, physical exhaustion. 1023 01:16:55,611 --> 01:16:57,861 That I needed a break from Northern Ireland. 1024 01:16:57,988 --> 01:16:59,698 So they sent me to the mainland... 1025 01:16:59,781 --> 01:17:03,121 ...as an instructor to the School of Intelligence. 1026 01:17:05,912 --> 01:17:08,502 In late '77, I was posted back here. 1027 01:17:10,417 --> 01:17:14,337 - How did they find out about this tape? - Because I behaved stupidly. 1028 01:17:14,671 --> 01:17:17,721 Instead of keeping my head down, I had a row about it all. 1029 01:17:17,799 --> 01:17:20,299 Consequently, I was put under close surveillance. 1030 01:17:20,385 --> 01:17:23,045 Mail was opened, phones were tapped. 1031 01:17:23,138 --> 01:17:25,928 They searched my room and found a backup copy of the tape... 1032 01:17:26,016 --> 01:17:28,016 ...stitched in the lining of my beret. 1033 01:17:28,143 --> 01:17:30,903 So I took the original tape and ran. 1034 01:17:32,147 --> 01:17:33,477 Still running. 1035 01:17:35,317 --> 01:17:37,527 You say you have this tape? 1036 01:17:38,612 --> 01:17:43,452 It's all there: Names, dates. I bugged their meetings. 1037 01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:45,579 I wanted Sullivan to publicise it. 1038 01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:48,161 Being an American citizen and a civil rights lawyer... 1039 01:17:48,246 --> 01:17:49,746 ...I thought he was beyond reach. 1040 01:17:49,831 --> 01:17:51,461 You were wrong. 1041 01:17:53,835 --> 01:17:57,455 I'm afraid media exposure is the only protection I have. 1042 01:17:57,547 --> 01:17:59,087 Do you have it with you? 1043 01:18:01,551 --> 01:18:03,591 I have certain demands. 1044 01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:04,970 What demands? 1045 01:18:05,055 --> 01:18:08,175 When I deliver the tape, I want to be taken into protective custody. 1046 01:18:08,266 --> 01:18:11,096 And I want you, Ms. Jessner, to make it public. 1047 01:18:11,186 --> 01:18:13,266 - Agreed. - I can't do that. 1048 01:18:13,355 --> 01:18:14,725 Why not? 1049 01:18:15,524 --> 01:18:19,494 Because he's not under my authority. He's military personnel. 1050 01:18:19,653 --> 01:18:23,453 You were brought here to investigate Paul Sullivan's death. 1051 01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,282 He was murdered because of that tape. 1052 01:18:28,412 --> 01:18:31,372 - Where is it? - Do I have your agreement? 1053 01:18:34,626 --> 01:18:35,836 Yes. 1054 01:18:39,339 --> 01:18:40,669 Dublin. 1055 01:18:41,049 --> 01:18:43,009 The IRA found me a safe house. 1056 01:18:43,093 --> 01:18:45,553 They're hoping I'll come to a prearranged meeting... 1057 01:18:45,637 --> 01:18:47,467 ...and denounce British imperialism. 1058 01:18:47,556 --> 01:18:50,016 - When can we have it? - You'll have to come to Dublin. 1059 01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:52,020 - When? - Day after tomorrow. 1060 01:18:52,102 --> 01:18:53,392 Where? 1061 01:18:55,397 --> 01:18:58,357 - O'Connell Bridge, 1 1 :00 a.m. - We'll be there. 1062 01:19:02,529 --> 01:19:04,159 One last thing. 1063 01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:06,615 Nevin has a man working for him. 1064 01:19:06,742 --> 01:19:09,952 His name is McKee, a former member of the SAS. 1065 01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:13,909 - Look out for him. - What's he look like? 1066 01:19:14,833 --> 01:19:18,003 Big man, tall, bland face, thinning hair. 1067 01:19:19,087 --> 01:19:22,047 He's quite ruthless, capable of anything. 1068 01:19:39,608 --> 01:19:43,148 Am I wrong, Mr. Kerrigan, or is it illegal to kill people... 1069 01:19:43,236 --> 01:19:44,816 ...and try to steal a country? 1070 01:19:44,905 --> 01:19:48,695 Don't assume it happened just because Harris said it did. 1071 01:19:49,034 --> 01:19:52,084 Paul's dead! Molloy's dead! That happened. 1072 01:19:52,204 --> 01:19:55,214 Save your outrage till we've heard the tape. 1073 01:19:59,878 --> 01:20:02,128 - Good evening, love. - Good evening, sir. 1074 01:20:02,214 --> 01:20:03,214 Thank you. 1075 01:20:03,757 --> 01:20:06,877 - Have you seen Mr. Maxwell? - He's in the bar, sir. 1076 01:20:16,561 --> 01:20:19,651 - How'd it go? - It was interesting. 1077 01:20:20,148 --> 01:20:21,568 Did you see Harris? 1078 01:20:21,650 --> 01:20:23,780 Yes. He didn't have the tape. 1079 01:20:24,402 --> 01:20:26,612 You've had a call from MI5. 1080 01:20:26,863 --> 01:20:28,823 The spook department? 1081 01:20:29,699 --> 01:20:31,949 - Who? - Sir Robert Neil. 1082 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,460 He wants to meet you for lunch tomorrow. He's sending his car at 1 2:00. 1083 01:20:39,584 --> 01:20:42,504 - Time for a drink? - No. I've had enough. 1084 01:20:43,338 --> 01:20:45,298 You two okay? 1085 01:20:46,383 --> 01:20:49,053 - Yes, thank you, Mr. Kerrigan. - Fine. 1086 01:20:50,136 --> 01:20:53,056 - Mind how you go. - See you in the morning. 1087 01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:23,375 - Good morning, Mr. Kerrigan. - Good morning. 1088 01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:29,970 - Come in, Mr. Kerrigan. - Sir Robert. 1089 01:21:30,051 --> 01:21:32,181 Marvelous day. This way. 1090 01:21:39,477 --> 01:21:40,807 Do you know Alec Nevin? 1091 01:21:41,688 --> 01:21:44,148 No, I don't believe we've met. 1092 01:21:44,232 --> 01:21:47,112 I'm delighted to meet you. I've heard a great deal about you. 1093 01:21:47,193 --> 01:21:48,823 How do you do? 1094 01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:52,070 - Sherry? - No, thank you. 1095 01:22:09,174 --> 01:22:11,724 You've got your coffee, have you? 1096 01:22:12,636 --> 01:22:17,176 So, Mr. Kerrigan, how has your inquiry progressed? 1097 01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,810 Sullivan and Molloy were killed because of a tape. 1098 01:22:21,895 --> 01:22:23,395 What tape? 1099 01:22:23,855 --> 01:22:25,305 According to a Capt. Harris... 1100 01:22:25,398 --> 01:22:27,398 - You've met him? - Last night. 1101 01:22:27,484 --> 01:22:28,904 Go on. 1102 01:22:30,153 --> 01:22:33,283 - Your name surfaced, Mr. Nevin. - Really? 1103 01:22:35,450 --> 01:22:39,040 He claims that he possesses a tape which will prove that you and others... 1104 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,710 ...conspired to destabilise the last Labour government. 1105 01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:46,955 He says he gave a copy of this tape to Paul Sullivan... 1106 01:22:47,045 --> 01:22:50,295 ...hoping he would publicise it, and that's why Sullivan was killed. 1107 01:22:50,674 --> 01:22:55,344 - You've not heard the tape then? - Not yet, but I will. 1108 01:22:55,971 --> 01:22:59,181 - You're seeing Harris again? - I can't tell you. 1109 01:23:00,725 --> 01:23:03,685 Although he was strictly Army, Harris worked for me. 1110 01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:05,770 Yes, I know. 1111 01:23:07,649 --> 01:23:11,819 - He was rather good at what he did. - He was a traitorous bastard. 1112 01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:13,897 When I arrived just now... 1113 01:23:13,989 --> 01:23:17,829 ...there was a man who greeted me at the car: Tall, thinning hair. 1114 01:23:17,909 --> 01:23:20,789 - What about him? - I might want to question him. 1115 01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:23,580 After the tape was taken from Sullivan's body... 1116 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:26,575 ...the police gave it to someone answering his description. 1117 01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:30,588 I have four witnesses to identify him. Did he give the tape to you? 1118 01:23:30,672 --> 01:23:34,092 - Are you interrogating me? - Are you obstructing me? 1119 01:23:36,428 --> 01:23:41,018 If you let me listen to that tape, I can eliminate Harris from my inquiry. 1120 01:23:41,933 --> 01:23:43,563 You have no choice, Alec. 1121 01:23:44,561 --> 01:23:47,811 Do you remember the disorders of the 1 970s... 1122 01:23:48,523 --> 01:23:49,943 ...Mr. Kerrigan? 1123 01:23:50,025 --> 01:23:52,225 The kind of chaos we faced... 1124 01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:54,780 ...strikes, riots... 1125 01:23:55,572 --> 01:23:58,822 ...miners bringing down a Conservative government... 1126 01:23:58,908 --> 01:24:03,118 ...inflation going through the roof, our European creditors... 1127 01:24:03,204 --> 01:24:05,004 ...queuing up to pounce on us? 1128 01:24:05,415 --> 01:24:08,325 How Europe enjoyed our discomfiture. 1129 01:24:10,170 --> 01:24:12,840 Instead ofjust letting it happen... 1130 01:24:14,090 --> 01:24:17,590 ...a few of us got together to do something about it. 1131 01:24:17,886 --> 01:24:20,676 So there was a conspiracy. 1132 01:24:21,264 --> 01:24:25,894 - My dear chap, politics is a conspiracy. - The point is, our paths converge. 1133 01:24:25,977 --> 01:24:28,647 - In what way? - We both serve the state. 1134 01:24:28,730 --> 01:24:31,440 No, I defend the state. 1135 01:24:32,150 --> 01:24:33,820 You subvert it. 1136 01:24:33,902 --> 01:24:36,992 All right, let's be frank with one another. 1137 01:24:37,614 --> 01:24:42,334 Illegal methods were used in an attempt to bring down the Labour government. 1138 01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:44,752 But that's all in the past. 1139 01:24:44,871 --> 01:24:47,921 Do you think by scrutinizing mistakes made... 1140 01:24:47,999 --> 01:24:51,289 ...you'll help restore respect for law and order? 1141 01:24:53,004 --> 01:24:55,924 Don't play hide and seek with reality, Mr. Kerrigan. 1142 01:24:56,633 --> 01:25:00,263 If you want to see the release of that tape, and its contents made public... 1143 01:25:00,553 --> 01:25:02,013 ...go right ahead. 1144 01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:04,387 But first, consider the consequences. 1145 01:25:04,849 --> 01:25:07,559 Every agitator, every intellectual... 1146 01:25:07,644 --> 01:25:11,024 ...every bleeding-heart liberal with his rhetoric about civil rights... 1147 01:25:11,106 --> 01:25:12,856 ...will seise on it. 1148 01:25:12,941 --> 01:25:15,531 Now, you say you defend the state. 1149 01:25:16,194 --> 01:25:17,244 So do I. 1150 01:25:17,862 --> 01:25:21,202 But Parliament and its institutions are the state. 1151 01:25:21,366 --> 01:25:24,276 And anything that threatens the government... 1152 01:25:24,619 --> 01:25:28,039 ...the rule of law, the credibility of Parliament... 1153 01:25:28,289 --> 01:25:30,579 ...is a threat to the state. 1154 01:25:31,292 --> 01:25:33,712 Leave well alone, Mr. Kerrigan. 1155 01:25:33,837 --> 01:25:37,127 Let the historians discover it in 50 years' time. 1156 01:25:38,508 --> 01:25:41,838 - Our duty is to protect Number 1 0. - It wouldn't be published anyway. 1157 01:25:41,928 --> 01:25:44,758 Strictly speaking, it's none of your concern. 1158 01:25:44,848 --> 01:25:47,348 It's an intelligence matter, outside your jurisdiction. 1159 01:25:47,433 --> 01:25:49,523 - I don't accept that. - Accept this... 1160 01:25:49,602 --> 01:25:53,062 What Alec and the others did eight years ago was terribly wrong. 1161 01:25:53,148 --> 01:25:56,398 It wasn't just terribly wrong. It was criminal. 1162 01:25:56,484 --> 01:25:59,034 It was wrong for the right reasons. 1163 01:25:59,112 --> 01:26:02,492 These were, and still are, honorable men. 1164 01:26:02,574 --> 01:26:05,534 - They broke the law. - We've agreed on that. 1165 01:26:06,035 --> 01:26:08,745 But tell me, as a professional policeman... 1166 01:26:08,830 --> 01:26:12,960 ...don't you find that hardened criminals often benefit from the restraints... 1167 01:26:13,042 --> 01:26:15,672 ...imposed on the police by the courts? 1168 01:26:15,753 --> 01:26:17,093 Absolutely, yes. 1169 01:26:17,172 --> 01:26:21,972 And when, to secure a conviction, the police remove those constraints... 1170 01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:25,600 ...when, for example, they illegally tap a phone... 1171 01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:30,270 ...to apprehend political terrorists whose aim is to overthrow democracy... 1172 01:26:31,352 --> 01:26:33,402 ...is this ever justified? 1173 01:26:34,063 --> 01:26:36,063 It depends on the circumstances. 1174 01:26:36,524 --> 01:26:38,614 Let's be more specific. 1175 01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:42,147 In 1 974, the IRA blew up a Birmingham pub. 1176 01:26:42,780 --> 01:26:46,530 21 young people were killed. 1 62 were injured. 1177 01:26:47,535 --> 01:26:51,995 The police, your colleagues, arrested six Irishmen. 1178 01:26:53,249 --> 01:26:56,379 They were subjected to what is euphemistically referred to... 1179 01:26:56,461 --> 01:26:58,251 ...as "in-depth interrogation". 1180 01:26:58,671 --> 01:27:00,961 They kicked the hell out of the murdering swine. 1181 01:27:01,049 --> 01:27:04,509 - And obtained a confession. - Which held up in court. 1182 01:27:05,011 --> 01:27:06,851 Was that justified? 1183 01:27:07,096 --> 01:27:09,846 If they did that, then they were out of order. 1184 01:27:09,933 --> 01:27:11,813 Tell that to the people of Birmingham. 1185 01:27:11,893 --> 01:27:13,733 The point I'm trying to make... 1186 01:27:13,811 --> 01:27:17,151 I understand the point you're trying to make, Sir Robert. 1187 01:27:17,232 --> 01:27:21,032 That to maintain the system, the abuse of power is sometimes necessary. 1188 01:27:21,152 --> 01:27:22,362 Yes. 1189 01:27:22,779 --> 01:27:26,779 It allows us to enjoy the freedom of living in a free society. 1190 01:27:27,784 --> 01:27:30,624 A price the public are prepared to pay. 1191 01:27:31,204 --> 01:27:33,414 That's a dangerous concept. 1192 01:27:33,623 --> 01:27:35,583 But a realistic one. 1193 01:27:38,670 --> 01:27:40,920 You're forgetting one thing. 1194 01:27:41,005 --> 01:27:43,505 What's to stop Harris from making copies of the tape? 1195 01:27:43,591 --> 01:27:48,301 Nothing at all, except without Harris, there's no authenticity, no documentation. 1196 01:27:48,388 --> 01:27:51,428 Everyone would think it was an IRA fake. 1197 01:27:53,226 --> 01:27:54,886 And my investigation? 1198 01:27:55,853 --> 01:27:59,523 I have a solution that is both effective and acceptable. 1199 01:27:59,941 --> 01:28:03,031 You have the culprits that did the shooting. 1200 01:28:03,695 --> 01:28:05,145 Nail them. 1201 01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:16,120 It really is a gorgeous day. 1202 01:28:16,916 --> 01:28:20,746 You know, Ireland would be a lovely place if it wasn't for the Irish. 1203 01:28:24,882 --> 01:28:27,802 Was Ms. Jessner with you when you met Harris? 1204 01:28:28,011 --> 01:28:29,091 Yes. 1205 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,509 I wonder why Harris chose Paul Sullivan. 1206 01:28:35,143 --> 01:28:38,563 Did you know, before she met him, she lived with a Communist? 1207 01:28:38,646 --> 01:28:41,316 - No, I didn't. - It was all rather sad. 1208 01:28:41,441 --> 01:28:43,821 A Chilean. She had an abortion. 1209 01:28:46,821 --> 01:28:49,611 There is something I want to show you. 1210 01:28:54,871 --> 01:28:57,251 Not very pleasant, I'm afraid. 1211 01:29:02,962 --> 01:29:06,632 Liam Philbin. Served seven years in H-Block. 1212 01:29:07,133 --> 01:29:09,633 Suspected of murdering two policemen. 1213 01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,890 That's you making a contribution to IRA funds... 1214 01:29:13,973 --> 01:29:16,143 ...unintentionally, of course. 1215 01:29:18,603 --> 01:29:20,853 These make my stomach turn. 1216 01:29:24,275 --> 01:29:27,815 Alec wanted to turn them over to his newspaper friends. 1217 01:29:27,945 --> 01:29:30,025 I persuaded him not to. 1218 01:29:30,531 --> 01:29:33,581 Apart from the damage it could do to your career... 1219 01:29:34,660 --> 01:29:37,410 I'm a family man myself, Mr. Kerrigan. 1220 01:29:38,122 --> 01:29:42,082 I know the harm this sort of thing can do to a happy marriage. 1221 01:29:43,086 --> 01:29:44,536 Take them. 1222 01:29:45,046 --> 01:29:46,456 Who keeps the negatives? 1223 01:29:47,548 --> 01:29:49,298 Alec keeps them. 1224 01:29:52,637 --> 01:29:54,047 Fuck you. 1225 01:29:57,517 --> 01:30:00,017 First, they threw the book at me. 1226 01:30:00,395 --> 01:30:02,185 Not in the national interest. 1227 01:30:02,271 --> 01:30:03,941 Violation of security. 1228 01:30:04,357 --> 01:30:05,517 Then... 1229 01:30:07,568 --> 01:30:10,898 ...this infantile, laughable comic-book stuff. 1230 01:30:13,324 --> 01:30:15,744 Don't underestimate it, Peter. 1231 01:30:17,412 --> 01:30:21,792 I've been a policeman for 26 years. I've never met anything like this. 1232 01:30:25,378 --> 01:30:28,048 If you go to Dublin, see him, get the tape. 1233 01:30:28,131 --> 01:30:30,591 Neil would argue it was used for intelligence... 1234 01:30:30,675 --> 01:30:34,425 ...and that it couldn't be admitted in court as evidence. 1235 01:30:35,972 --> 01:30:38,142 So what are we left with? 1236 01:30:38,224 --> 01:30:39,274 The shooting. 1237 01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:41,480 Which is flameproof. We have the statements... 1238 01:30:41,561 --> 01:30:43,771 Which we can make stick... 1239 01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:47,360 ...provided we make no references to the tape. 1240 01:30:47,442 --> 01:30:49,692 Concession offered by Neil. 1241 01:30:54,073 --> 01:30:55,373 Jesus. 1242 01:30:56,784 --> 01:30:58,794 What does that make me? 1243 01:31:00,955 --> 01:31:03,955 I came here as the cop that couldn't be bought. 1244 01:31:04,041 --> 01:31:07,751 - Nobody bought you. - I've been manipulated from day one... 1245 01:31:08,671 --> 01:31:10,761 ...put through the hoop. 1246 01:31:16,971 --> 01:31:20,931 What happens if I choose to take this to the limit... 1247 01:31:23,561 --> 01:31:25,561 ...to the powers that be? 1248 01:31:26,814 --> 01:31:28,944 What support would I get? 1249 01:31:30,443 --> 01:31:31,903 Too risky. 1250 01:31:32,612 --> 01:31:35,782 You blow the whistle, when the shouting stopped... 1251 01:31:35,865 --> 01:31:38,405 ...they reach an accommodation... 1252 01:31:38,493 --> 01:31:40,243 ...you're finished. 1253 01:31:42,121 --> 01:31:44,621 You know, Tom, I think I am naive. 1254 01:31:45,333 --> 01:31:46,293 I've always believed... 1255 01:31:46,375 --> 01:31:49,245 ...that given half a chance, the system would work. 1256 01:31:49,337 --> 01:31:52,087 Look, we've got the men who did the shooting. 1257 01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:54,723 - Everything I've stood for... - Our job's done. 1258 01:31:54,842 --> 01:31:55,972 No. 1259 01:31:57,011 --> 01:31:58,891 That's unacceptable. 1260 01:32:00,681 --> 01:32:04,021 I walk away from this, it's a lifetime wasted. 1261 01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:07,809 They want this thing buried... 1262 01:32:07,897 --> 01:32:10,437 ...and if necessary, they will bury you alongside it. 1263 01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:13,645 - But there was a conspiracy. - What proof have we got? 1264 01:32:13,736 --> 01:32:16,276 - Neil admitted it. - He'll deny it. 1265 01:32:16,822 --> 01:32:19,662 That conversation never took place. 1266 01:32:23,037 --> 01:32:25,367 Turn your back on this, Peter. 1267 01:32:30,044 --> 01:32:32,964 What about Ingrid Jessner? What about her? 1268 01:32:33,130 --> 01:32:34,880 Not your problem. 1269 01:32:35,633 --> 01:32:39,393 This is all politics. We have the men that did the shooting. 1270 01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:41,720 Are you willing to settle for that? 1271 01:32:41,806 --> 01:32:43,676 What else is there? 1272 01:32:44,392 --> 01:32:45,852 And if I persist? 1273 01:32:46,936 --> 01:32:49,596 Then you're on a hiding to nothing. 1274 01:32:51,065 --> 01:32:52,685 What about you? 1275 01:32:53,901 --> 01:32:56,531 - I'm a career policeman. - So was I. 1276 01:33:01,117 --> 01:33:02,907 I'm sorry, Peter. 1277 01:33:03,202 --> 01:33:06,412 I'm not prepared to risk my future, not in this. 1278 01:33:10,876 --> 01:33:12,376 Thanks, Tom. 1279 01:33:13,671 --> 01:33:15,921 You've just proved my point. 1280 01:34:17,902 --> 01:34:20,902 Listen, if a Mr. Kerrigan calls, will you tell him I've left? 1281 01:34:20,988 --> 01:34:23,068 - Yes, certainly. - Thanks. 1282 01:34:23,491 --> 01:34:26,241 Ms. Jessner? I'm Mr. Kerrigan's secretary. 1283 01:34:26,327 --> 01:34:28,657 He asked me to give you that. 1284 01:34:43,511 --> 01:34:45,011 Any message? 1285 01:34:45,554 --> 01:34:48,644 - When's his flight? - Mid-afternoon, I expect. 1286 01:34:50,309 --> 01:34:51,639 Thanks. 1287 01:35:08,077 --> 01:35:09,947 Echo 1 to Control. 1288 01:35:10,329 --> 01:35:13,499 - Go ahead, Echo 1 . - We're on the Dublin Road. 1289 01:35:14,959 --> 01:35:17,039 Are the others in place? 1290 01:35:18,421 --> 01:35:19,631 Yes. 1291 01:35:20,214 --> 01:35:22,174 Signing off now, Control. 1292 01:35:23,050 --> 01:35:25,970 Give it another minute, then overtake her quite quickly. 1293 01:35:26,053 --> 01:35:28,263 I want to get ahead of her. 1294 01:35:41,944 --> 01:35:43,534 Come in, Echo 2. 1295 01:35:43,904 --> 01:35:45,034 Echo 2. 1296 01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:50,160 - Is everything all right, Echo 2? - Yes, she's about 200 yards in front of me. 1297 01:35:50,244 --> 01:35:53,204 In a little while you'll see a petrol station on your left. 1298 01:35:53,289 --> 01:35:56,249 You pull in, and I'll take up the follow. 1299 01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,260 Echo 2... 1300 01:36:48,010 --> 01:36:49,590 ...she's making for the bridge. 1301 01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:51,640 I'm having trouble gettin' through this lot. 1302 01:36:51,722 --> 01:36:53,182 Bang your fucking horn, man! 1303 01:37:17,623 --> 01:37:19,293 - Where's Kerrigan? - I don't know. 1304 01:37:19,375 --> 01:37:21,955 - That's no answer. - I know, I don't know where he is. 1305 01:37:22,044 --> 01:37:23,554 Let's walk. 1306 01:37:26,549 --> 01:37:29,549 - You'll see that it's published? - I'll try. 1307 01:37:32,221 --> 01:37:34,011 Don't let me down. 1308 01:37:34,807 --> 01:37:36,177 Trust me. 1309 01:37:36,475 --> 01:37:37,515 I do. 1310 01:38:24,523 --> 01:38:26,153 Where to, love? 1311 01:38:27,902 --> 01:38:30,572 - I have to hire a car. - You want a car-hire place? 1312 01:38:30,654 --> 01:38:32,994 - Yeah. - Which one in particular do you want? 1313 01:38:33,073 --> 01:38:36,163 - Any one in particular? - No. It doesn't matter. You decide. 1314 01:38:36,243 --> 01:38:39,753 Do you want an expensive car or a cheap car? 1315 01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:41,330 It doesn't matter. I don't care. 1316 01:38:41,415 --> 01:38:44,705 Look, I've had Americans before. I just want to know what type car... 1317 01:38:44,793 --> 01:38:45,883 Just go. 1318 01:38:46,587 --> 01:38:47,917 It doesn't matter! Just go! 1319 01:38:48,005 --> 01:38:50,715 Okay. There's a friend of mine over at one place. 1320 01:38:50,799 --> 01:38:53,049 - Fine. - I'll bring you there, will I? 1321 01:38:53,135 --> 01:38:54,255 Fine. Great. 1322 01:39:06,273 --> 01:39:08,943 What you will hear on this tape is a conversation... 1323 01:39:09,026 --> 01:39:11,526 ... which took place at the home of Mr. Alec Nevin. 1324 01:39:11,612 --> 01:39:14,322 Its purpose was to establish a Conservative government... 1325 01:39:14,406 --> 01:39:17,656 ... with a right-wing leadership. I had shown support... 1326 01:39:17,743 --> 01:39:20,203 ... and therefore was invited to attend the meeting. 1327 01:39:20,329 --> 01:39:23,409 I wore a recording device activated by voice. 1328 01:39:25,501 --> 01:39:28,961 Letting people off the leash a bit, in that direction... 1329 01:39:29,630 --> 01:39:33,340 ... the military and our friends in the intelligence community... 1330 01:39:33,425 --> 01:39:37,715 ... is really enhancing the case for quite dramatic... 1331 01:39:37,805 --> 01:39:40,965 ... constitutional resolution of this crisis... 1332 01:39:41,058 --> 01:39:43,228 Indeed. Don't underestimate the flexibility... 1333 01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:47,230 We need to pressure the Palace into giving legitimacy to what we need to do. 1334 01:39:47,314 --> 01:39:50,024 Indeed. You underestimate, we all underestimate... 1335 01:39:50,109 --> 01:39:54,569 ... the flexibility of this constitution of ours. We can do almost anything. 1336 01:39:54,905 --> 01:39:57,525 What are his weaknesses? 1337 01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,490 What can we have circulated? 1338 01:40:01,620 --> 01:40:04,790 And what rumors can we make stick? 1339 01:40:05,124 --> 01:40:09,094 We all know about Heath. We all know what we think about him. 1340 01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:13,089 We should look to 5 to... 1341 01:40:13,882 --> 01:40:15,342 ... assist in this matter. 1342 01:40:16,343 --> 01:40:19,393 Can you try Ms. Jessner's room again, please? 1343 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,480 Have you paged her? 1344 01:40:27,354 --> 01:40:29,734 No. No message. Thanks. 1345 01:40:31,108 --> 01:40:33,988 - I don't suppose we'll be needing this? - What's that? 1346 01:40:34,194 --> 01:40:37,614 It's the dossier you asked me to prepare on those six names. 1347 01:40:37,698 --> 01:40:39,028 Thanks. 1348 01:40:40,617 --> 01:40:41,987 Insurance. 1349 01:40:42,453 --> 01:40:46,373 - Shall I take the luggage down now, sir? - Please do. 1350 01:41:01,221 --> 01:41:03,101 It isn't your fault. 1351 01:41:05,768 --> 01:41:07,978 They must have followed her. 1352 01:41:09,646 --> 01:41:12,606 I'll pick up the rest of this stuff later. 1353 01:41:14,276 --> 01:41:17,396 - You know about Harris? - I heard on the radio. 1354 01:41:18,030 --> 01:41:20,660 They kneecapped him, then they blew half his head away. 1355 01:41:20,741 --> 01:41:22,491 Typical IRA execution. 1356 01:41:28,540 --> 01:41:30,630 - What about Ingrid Jessner? - What about her? 1357 01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:32,789 - You know, if this thing leaks out... - It won't. 1358 01:41:32,878 --> 01:41:34,748 A crime has been committed. 1359 01:41:35,756 --> 01:41:38,586 - What crime is that? - I'm not just talkin' about Harris. 1360 01:41:38,675 --> 01:41:40,925 Everything is covered by the Official Secrets Act. 1361 01:41:41,303 --> 01:41:45,893 - God, you people live in the Dark Ages. - And what about you? Listen... 1362 01:41:46,266 --> 01:41:48,676 You and I are cut from the same cloth. 1363 01:41:48,769 --> 01:41:51,099 I am what I have to be, but you? 1364 01:41:51,396 --> 01:41:55,316 You're no better. Like me, you observe rule Number 1 . 1365 01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:57,400 Keep your balls intact. 1366 01:41:58,153 --> 01:42:01,993 Have a good flight. And don't forget to send me that report. 1367 01:42:02,241 --> 01:42:03,701 Okey-doke? 1368 01:42:05,619 --> 01:42:08,249 We need to get some agent provocateurs into these... 1369 01:42:08,330 --> 01:42:11,870 ... strikes that are taking place, local government strikes... 1370 01:42:11,959 --> 01:42:14,209 ... to cause a lot of unpleasantness and disruption. 1371 01:42:14,294 --> 01:42:17,554 We need that to run through until the election and give it a shot. 1372 01:42:18,090 --> 01:42:20,970 The question is, can we rely upon democracy? 1373 01:42:21,301 --> 01:42:24,221 - Just my opinion, but... - With a little push here and there. 1374 01:42:24,304 --> 01:42:27,524 Well, I agree with the little push. 1375 01:42:27,599 --> 01:42:31,059 I agree that is the point, in a way, why we're here, isn't it? 1376 01:42:31,145 --> 01:42:35,645 If there's a run on the pound, that's fine. If there's a lot of stuff circulating about... 1377 01:42:35,732 --> 01:42:39,442 ... Wilson and Moscow, which we all know to be the case... 1378 01:42:39,528 --> 01:42:42,408 ... I think Wilson's somebody we should home in very much on. 1379 01:42:42,489 --> 01:42:45,119 A lot of stuff should be circulated about Wilson. 1380 01:42:51,874 --> 01:42:53,424 Ms. Jessner. 1381 01:42:54,877 --> 01:42:56,787 She hasn't seen us. 1382 01:42:58,714 --> 01:43:00,174 Wait here. 1383 01:43:03,844 --> 01:43:04,844 What are you doing here? 1384 01:43:04,928 --> 01:43:06,468 - Where were you? - Did you get my note? 1385 01:43:06,555 --> 01:43:08,885 - Why did you change your mind? - There are reasons. 1386 01:43:08,974 --> 01:43:11,894 - Tell me. - I don't have to. I'm sorry. 1387 01:43:13,645 --> 01:43:15,605 What about Mr. Nevin? 1388 01:43:15,814 --> 01:43:17,194 What about Harris? 1389 01:43:17,274 --> 01:43:18,944 Harris is dead. 1390 01:43:19,276 --> 01:43:20,986 They're blaming the IRA. 1391 01:43:21,069 --> 01:43:22,859 - But it was them! - Please. 1392 01:43:22,946 --> 01:43:26,196 - I saw it happen! - Please, keep your voice down. 1393 01:43:28,327 --> 01:43:30,697 - I told you not to go. - You told me a lot of things... 1394 01:43:30,787 --> 01:43:33,207 - Did you speak to Harris? - Yes. 1395 01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:37,040 - Did you tell them we were meeting? - Of course not. You were followed! 1396 01:43:37,461 --> 01:43:40,001 But you did talk to them. Why? 1397 01:43:40,380 --> 01:43:42,970 - Did he give you the tape? - You're not gonna... 1398 01:43:43,050 --> 01:43:46,550 - Are you going to do anything about this? - There's nothing I can do. 1399 01:43:46,637 --> 01:43:48,637 They've committed murder and treason. 1400 01:43:48,722 --> 01:43:51,222 At 1 1 :00 this morning, a man was assassinated... 1401 01:43:51,308 --> 01:43:54,598 ...by orders of British Intelligence, and you can do nothing! 1402 01:43:54,728 --> 01:43:55,728 I wish I could. 1403 01:43:56,313 --> 01:44:00,613 This is a final call for flight BTH-9 to London, Heathrow. 1404 01:44:00,734 --> 01:44:02,364 You have connections I don't have. 1405 01:44:02,444 --> 01:44:05,244 Your reputation brought you here. People will listen to you. 1406 01:44:05,322 --> 01:44:08,032 With you as my witness? A civil-liberties group member... 1407 01:44:08,116 --> 01:44:11,156 ...accusing the British government of torture and shoot-to-kill? 1408 01:44:11,245 --> 01:44:16,075 "I don't care whose toes I tread on". That's what you said, and I believed it. 1409 01:44:16,750 --> 01:44:19,460 - Look, I have to go. - Go. 1410 01:44:19,544 --> 01:44:21,424 - I'm a policeman. - Yes, you are. 1411 01:44:21,672 --> 01:44:24,172 The men responsible for Paul's death will be charged. 1412 01:44:24,258 --> 01:44:25,838 To know and do nothing. 1413 01:44:25,926 --> 01:44:28,926 - You can't win against these people. - To just close your eyes. 1414 01:44:29,012 --> 01:44:30,432 Forget it. Go home. 1415 01:44:30,514 --> 01:44:32,644 That's how fascism starts. 1416 01:44:33,684 --> 01:44:36,234 What do you think of your fine British law now? 1417 01:44:36,311 --> 01:44:37,731 This has nothing to do with law. 1418 01:44:37,813 --> 01:44:40,363 - What is it then? - It's politics. 1419 01:44:41,817 --> 01:44:45,027 To enforce the rules of a police state is politics. 1420 01:44:45,112 --> 01:44:47,702 Good guys like you cover it up so bad guys are safe. 1421 01:44:47,781 --> 01:44:50,571 You're a puppet, and the men pulling the strings know it. 1422 01:44:51,535 --> 01:44:53,325 Did he give you the tape? 1423 01:44:53,787 --> 01:44:55,997 - No. - What are you gonna do? 1424 01:44:57,624 --> 01:44:59,754 Tell people, newspapers. 1425 01:45:00,669 --> 01:45:02,669 - They won't print it. - We'll see. 1426 01:45:05,924 --> 01:45:07,724 Go back to America. 1427 01:45:08,218 --> 01:45:11,178 Get out of Belfast. You're in danger here. 1428 01:45:13,598 --> 01:45:16,138 Ingrid, it's finished. 1429 01:45:17,811 --> 01:45:21,271 Not for them, it isn't. Not for Nevin and the others. 1430 01:45:22,566 --> 01:45:26,146 They're not going to disappear. They're still in place. 1431 01:45:31,867 --> 01:45:34,197 You have a plane to catch, Mr. Kerrigan. 1432 01:45:53,555 --> 01:45:55,305 What? Yes. 110926

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