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You need to tell me something.
There's a woman.
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She's the leader.
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Previously
on "The Walking Dead"...
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Oh, my God.
You made it.
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We found each other
in the woods.
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We didn't know
if you'd survived.
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He told me there were a lot more
out there than we thought...
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More than twice the force
we have in here.
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You were right about this one.
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He is family now.
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We got to go.
Connie's out there, alive.
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No!
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Look! Look!
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Sorry. Sorry.
I'm just... No.
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No. It might be a house.
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We could hide.
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Go.
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We'll make better time
if I ride out on my own.
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It's less risky, and
we're gonna cover more ground
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with a larger group.
The Council's working on a plan right now.
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Connie doesn't have time
to wait on a committee.
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Well, why don't we split the difference
between fast and safe?
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Teams of two. We could divide
the map up into smaller grids.
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It could reduce the risk.
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Hey.
Any of you seen Kelly?
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Unh!
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Okay.
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Uh...
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I checked the whole house.
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We're okay.
Nobody's here.
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You need...
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"You need...
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some rest."
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You haven't slept in days.
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"I can keep watch."
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"We will find...
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your home."
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You... sleep.
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Listen.
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Rest.
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Huh?
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Okay.
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Tell us where they are!
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My dance card's wide open, man.
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We got all day.
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This bother you?
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I've done worse.
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Hm.
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Why don't you take a turn, then?
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Speed things up for me.
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All right. I'm up.
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Like hell you are!
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Well, are we just
gonna stand here
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staring at each other dreamily
or are we gonna get to it?
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Hey, you kill him, the two of us
are gonna have a problem!
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Don't need a babysitter.
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I know what I'm doing.
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Just give 'em a location,
where your friends are hiding.
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You do that, this all goes away.
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That's, uh...
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That's a good offer.
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Or... and hear me out...
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you all could go
eat shit instead.
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Just a thought.
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Already gone through
these steps.
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Maybe we start taking pieces.
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You do what you gotta do.
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Give him a knife.
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I don't think you understand.
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I'm the best shot you got.
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Why?
We "friends" now?
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No. Not 'cause
we're friends.
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'Cause I'm the one
holding the knife.
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Yeah.
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And your buddy's the one
holding the gun.
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Shut up!
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Shut up and listen to me.
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I know you're close to her.
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The leader.
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Close enough to know
where they're hidin'.
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No one needs to die in here.
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So just say a location
so we can all walk away happy.
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Go to hell, assho...
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Location!
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Or I take another!
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I can't!
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Location!
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No! No! Please stop! Location!
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Yellow house.
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Town off the 283.
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Antenna. Antenna.
Antenna. Antenna.
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Is that good enough?
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I can scout it out.
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Take a squad.
Three of you.
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See if our friend speaks truth.
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You want us to take him?
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Wait. What happened?
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S-Slow down.
I don't understand.
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What...
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Looks quiet.
No movement.
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Two entrances.
Breach both?
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By twos.
You take Powell.
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Washington, Fish, go around
the back of the yellow house.
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What about dickhead?
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Am I supposed to believe
he's got my back?
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No, that's myjob.
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Always.
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Clear!
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Clear!
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Clear!
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Clear!
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It's all clear, Carve.
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That son of a bitch
jerked us around.
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We should stay, look around for
a bit, so we don't miss nothing.
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No, we'll search the rest
of the town first.
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Quick and quiet,
in case they're still nearby.
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You three, take the north end
and work back.
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We'll meet you in the middle.
Copy.
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Whoa.
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Where are you?
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My grandfather's house
used to have one of these.
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I'd secretly shove stuff
in there.
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Uh...
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I-I'm sorry.
I don't see anything.
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I'm sure you saw something...
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but...
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But you haven't slept.
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So maybe it's...
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Y-Yeah. 'Cause...
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Okay, okay. Okay.
I'm sorry.
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You and me, let's give the house
another sweep, okay?
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Connie!
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Hungry!
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Clear!
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Over here!
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They're still wet.
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Guess he was telling
the truth, then.
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We should clear the other rooms.
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- Clear!
- Clear!
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Clear!
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00:23:12,339 --> 00:23:14,124
Clear!
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Nothing.
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Maybe they went out
the back. I can track them.
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Are you in a hurry to leave?
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What?
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Other building,
you wanted to stick around
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and make sure
we didn't miss anything.
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Now you wanna run right off.
Which is it?
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Look, man, I'm just
trying to help.
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Yet you keep chirpin'.
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Fine. You lose 'em, it's on you.
It ain't on me.
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Stop.
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Wash, we need a perimeter check.
Possible runners. Half a klick.
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Copy that, Shaw.
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Look. I don't have time
for this toddler bullshit.
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Listen... I know.
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I understand,
but I don't need it.
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Go sift upstairs, make sure
we didn't miss anything.
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Don't.
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Don't what?
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You're either with us
or you're not.
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What do you want me to do?
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For one thing...
stop pissing off Carver.
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Usually don't end well.
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Come on.
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Please.
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Please. Just a...
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Just a little bit...
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more!
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Whoa! Kelly?
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Awesome.
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You need help?
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What the hell were you thinking?
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You should have told us
that you were heading out.
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Come here.
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I'm fine.
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But Connie's not.
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I found her camp.
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She's with some guy
who knew Michonne.
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They left in a hurry.
Something's not right.
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She thought they were
being followed.
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She's out there.
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She's scared.
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She needs me.
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And if...
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if something happened to her...
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No. We're gonna
find her first.
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Yeah.
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Come on.
Let's get movin'.
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Hungry!
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Oh! Oh, God.
Connie.
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Come on. I got you.
Come on.
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Oh, God.
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They ran. They ain't
comin' back here.
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What?
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I mean, think about it.
You hit 'em hard.
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Even if they get more people,
they won't come back here.
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It's a bad move.
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You got what?
20 people in your town.
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You got weapons.
You got walls.
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You'd see them coming
from a mile away.
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Trust me. They ran.
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00:32:20,713 --> 00:32:22,715
Is there a point to any of this?
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Let's go. There's nothing here.
It's time we move on.
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No. We're missing
something.
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Fine. Let's waste another
hour. That's smart. Daryl...
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It's not my fault he's too
stupid to pay attention!
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Yeah.
Chirp, chirp, chirp.
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Enough. Ah, screw that.
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This dirtbag wants to play,
I'll teach him the rules.
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I'm right here, man.
Make a move.
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This is not the time,
and it's not your call to make.
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Jesus, Shaw.
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We both know who
he really is deep down.
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What?
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I was there.
Remember?
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After.
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What, you think this is
gonna end any different?
219
00:32:59,404 --> 00:33:02,973
So this is what?
You looking out for me?
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Always.
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Uh-huh.
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00:33:05,410 --> 00:33:08,848
Gotcha.
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00:33:08,892 --> 00:33:11,764
And what about the fire?
224
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When Pope locked me
in the cabin and lit it up.
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You must have known.
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Was that you looking out
for me, too?
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Shaw. Wake up.
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Everything's a test now.
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If you think this guy
is ever gonna give a shit
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about any of us,
you're gonna fail.
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00:33:32,785 --> 00:33:35,179
No, he's right.
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I don't give a shit
about any of you.
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Except you.
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I'm here for you.
235
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It's no secret.
I made mistakes.
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But I'm here right now.
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Maybe I'd be better at it
this time, if you'd let me.
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And Pope scares
the shit outta me.
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I don't wanna be face-first
in the fire under his boot.
240
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But if you say trust 'em,
I'll trust 'em.
241
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We've wasted enough time
here already.
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Oh, you're not
seriously gonna...
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It's time to move on.
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Sure. Your call.
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Hold on.
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Told ya.
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Which way?
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We could split up, check
both trails, double back.
249
00:35:11,493 --> 00:35:15,192
Storm's coming.
We should stick together.
250
00:35:15,236 --> 00:35:17,847
It's up to you. Which way
do you think she went?
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That way.
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They led us here.
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I've never seen people
this far gone.
254
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To herd us, like prey.
255
00:35:52,882 --> 00:35:55,145
But we're not.
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I'm getting you out.
257
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We'll make a run for it.
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Take this.
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00:36:12,902 --> 00:36:15,731
No matter what happens...
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you have to keep going.
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With or without me.
Don't stop.
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Just...
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No. No, no, no, no, no.
Please.
264
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Just take it.
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00:36:52,028 --> 00:36:56,337
I don't know
how to explain. Um...
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But I don't have a choice.
267
00:37:04,823 --> 00:37:09,567
I lost myself...
for a long time.
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Off the map.
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And I, um...
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I made choices
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that I can't un-choose.
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But she gave me another chance.
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Michonne.
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She pointed me back to the road,
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and somehow that road
led right to you.
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So I have to
pass on that chance,
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or it all means nothing.
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And if you can...
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If you...
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can find your family...
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No, no. No.
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Listen, listen, listen.
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I need you to promise me
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that you will keep going,
no matter what happens.
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Together?
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Together.
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Time's up.
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Go. Go. Go, go.
Go, go!
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Go!
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Go. Get out.
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Go.
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They were there.
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Caught signs,
but they slipped away.
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Sorry.
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00:42:46,077 --> 00:42:48,253
Ooh.
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I thought you'd be disappointed.
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Well, this day was a success.
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How so?
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After you left,
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I continued the "discussion"
with our guest.
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He wasn't too talkative.
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00:43:06,097 --> 00:43:10,101
But I got everything
I needed out of him.
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The world is different now...
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Fewer people to fight for,
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there's fewer things
to fight over.
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You're saying you'd do things
differently?
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If I could do it all over again?
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Yeah.
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Your people need help.
I can deliver for you.
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Your brothers are dead,
are you not ashamed?!
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00:44:32,836 --> 00:44:36,579
It was so great to have
Lauren Ridloff back finally.
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We had been planning
for a long time
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to bring her back
in this episode,
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and we'd sort of, like,
shaped the story,
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and we wanted to give her,
like, a big reentry
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into the show.
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We loved having Kevin Carroll
back as Virgil,
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and I think what was important
for us
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is to show
that Virgil was affected
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by meeting Michonne,
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and I think he had to suppress
some of his heart
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to kind of, like, get through
the death of his family,
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and he sort of made
that decision
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to try stepping out
and finding society again.
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00:45:12,310 --> 00:45:15,618
Of course, he found everything
was just abandoned
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00:45:15,661 --> 00:45:18,186
because our people were fleeing
the Whisperers,
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but, fortunately,
he comes across Connie,
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and I think he feels like he
wants to do better in the world.
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And so
there's a real selflessness
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that you see in Virgil here.
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He has some skills, you know,
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and when Connie's
about to be attacked,
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like, he gets her out of the way
and takes the brunt of that
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even though it means
he gets injured pretty badly,
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00:45:36,378 --> 00:45:37,901
and I think
we're starting to see
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probably who he truly is
at the core.
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00:45:47,824 --> 00:45:52,742
So, this episode, we were
talking very, very, early on,
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and one of the things
that we talked about
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was, like, we would love to do
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00:45:56,180 --> 00:45:59,575
just a good, old fashioned
haunted-house horror story
341
00:45:59,618 --> 00:46:02,273
because that just seemed
really fun,
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and we just were talking about
how people become
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00:46:04,885 --> 00:46:06,538
too far gone in this world,
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and we've seen people
who are cannibals,
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00:46:08,366 --> 00:46:11,065
we've talked about people
that Maggie had run across,
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00:46:11,108 --> 00:46:14,068
we've seen the Whisperers,
and we were just talking about
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00:46:14,111 --> 00:46:15,939
people that have gone
completely feral,
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00:46:15,983 --> 00:46:17,462
and what kind of desperation
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00:46:17,506 --> 00:46:19,334
would it take
to get to that point?
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00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,861
Greg Nicotero and his KNB Group,
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00:46:24,905 --> 00:46:27,081
they did all the creature design
352
00:46:27,124 --> 00:46:30,475
and made these people unique
from zombies
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00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,435
and have their own
sort of terrifying look.
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There's that set deck
where you see
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the pictures on the wall
and the eyes are scratched out.
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"A," we thought that's
creepy, so that's really fun,
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but in the backstory of it,
we actually do think
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that those are pictures
of relatives
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or even some of the people
who became ferals
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and are living in that house.
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00:46:59,765 --> 00:47:03,726
And as they sort of descended
into a much more feral state,
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they just started destroying
the vestiges of their humanity.
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00:47:07,817 --> 00:47:11,777
So we totally had
a story reason why we did that,
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but at the same time,
we also thought
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it just looked, like,
super weird and creepy.
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One of the things
that was interesting for us
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in doing this episode
was just picking
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which point of view
that you're in.
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For the average viewer,
you're just gonna assume
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that the default is being,
like, a hearing viewer,
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and I think it's interesting
to sometimes kind of flip that
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00:47:33,234 --> 00:47:36,193
because they are experiencing
the same events
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in slightly different ways.
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00:47:37,803 --> 00:47:39,805
It became really interesting
to go, like,
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00:47:39,849 --> 00:47:42,852
"Maybe we play the sound to him
in his point of view
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00:47:42,896 --> 00:47:45,899
but you don't play it when
we're in her point of view."
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00:47:48,423 --> 00:47:51,034
To me, the best horror,
it really is like
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you're touching on the entire
range of human emotion
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00:47:54,472 --> 00:47:56,779
and the human experience,
and I think that, like,
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she just captured all of that
so seemingly effortlessly.
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00:48:00,391 --> 00:48:02,437
I know she puts in
a lot of work into her craft
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00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,091
and what she does,
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00:48:04,134 --> 00:48:06,789
but she brings so much nuance
to these little moments
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00:48:06,832 --> 00:48:08,965
and, just, she's so expressive.
385
00:48:09,009 --> 00:48:10,227
I think she's kind of
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00:48:10,271 --> 00:48:13,143
the perfect horror-movie star
in this.
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00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:27,069
I'm up.
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The torture scene
is just very specific
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00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:34,904
to this group
and their philosophy
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00:48:34,948 --> 00:48:37,863
and the particular time
in history
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when they were soldiers
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as well as, more importantly,
mercenaries,
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00:48:43,434 --> 00:48:46,916
and the darkness
that continued to evolve
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00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,048
throughout the apocalypse.
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00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:50,659
We've seen Daryl in scenes
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00:48:50,702 --> 00:48:52,028
where he's had to
torture people before,
397
00:48:52,052 --> 00:48:54,750
but certainly not to this extent
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and certainly
not against somebody
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00:48:56,970 --> 00:49:00,016
that he considers an ally
and that he likes.
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00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:03,454
And I think
that what the show does
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00:49:03,498 --> 00:49:05,891
is put our characters
into situations
402
00:49:05,935 --> 00:49:09,025
where they are just
in the worst possible things
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00:49:09,069 --> 00:49:10,287
that they could imagine.
404
00:49:10,331 --> 00:49:12,420
Like, they're living nightmares.
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00:49:12,463 --> 00:49:14,422
This is not something
he wants to do,
406
00:49:14,465 --> 00:49:16,467
but they are most likely
both gonna die
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00:49:16,511 --> 00:49:17,947
if he doesn't do this.
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00:49:17,991 --> 00:49:20,341
He certainly I don't think
blinks at the idea
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00:49:20,384 --> 00:49:22,319
of having to lay down
his own life for his friends,
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00:49:22,343 --> 00:49:23,909
but in this case, like,
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he knows he might be a key
to getting this done.
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00:49:27,391 --> 00:49:31,265
But I think it's also about
Frost's bravery,
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00:49:31,308 --> 00:49:34,050
knowing that
he's going to be tortured
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00:49:34,094 --> 00:49:36,052
and basically going along
with it.
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00:49:36,096 --> 00:49:37,619
Go to hell, assho...
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00:49:39,708 --> 00:49:42,450
Ever since Daryl signaled to him
when they were behind bars
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00:49:42,493 --> 00:49:44,930
in Episode 4, like,
"These guys are listening.
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00:49:44,974 --> 00:49:47,063
We got to pretend
like we're not friends,"
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00:49:47,107 --> 00:49:49,587
Frost has really, really gotten
420
00:49:49,631 --> 00:49:53,548
that he did exactly what Daryl
was hoping he would do,
421
00:49:53,591 --> 00:49:55,767
which is he kind of gave him
the right neighborhood,
422
00:49:55,811 --> 00:49:57,160
so there's some credibility,
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00:49:57,204 --> 00:50:01,077
and Daryl's hoping
that saves Frost.
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00:50:01,121 --> 00:50:03,166
He thinks, like, "If you
just say the neighborhood
425
00:50:03,210 --> 00:50:07,910
but not exactly the house,
then I can buy some time,"
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00:50:07,953 --> 00:50:10,173
which is basically what he does,
and so, you know,
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00:50:10,217 --> 00:50:13,307
he's trying to, like,
create little signals
428
00:50:13,350 --> 00:50:16,527
which allowed Maggie and company
to hide,
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00:50:16,571 --> 00:50:18,703
and Daryl's just trying
to feed them information
430
00:50:18,747 --> 00:50:20,575
about, like, how many people
they are.
431
00:50:20,618 --> 00:50:23,099
You got what?
20 people in your town.
432
00:50:23,143 --> 00:50:24,927
You got weapons.
You got walls.
433
00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:26,885
You'd see them coming
from a mile away.
434
00:50:26,929 --> 00:50:28,365
Trust me. They ran.
435
00:50:28,409 --> 00:50:30,933
I think, when Carver goes
for that trapdoor,
436
00:50:30,976 --> 00:50:34,023
if you watch Norman, the way
he plays it is really great.
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00:50:34,067 --> 00:50:36,330
He's ready to, like,
go down fighting
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00:50:36,373 --> 00:50:39,420
if that trapdoor opens
and the people are there,
439
00:50:39,463 --> 00:50:41,813
but, fortunately, they're not.
They got away.
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00:50:41,857 --> 00:50:44,773
So Daryl knows, like,
now he's in with these people
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00:50:44,816 --> 00:50:46,601
and his people are safe,
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00:50:46,644 --> 00:50:48,385
so that's as good of an outcome
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00:50:48,429 --> 00:50:50,431
as he can hope for
in the moment,
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00:50:50,474 --> 00:50:53,521
because it's like, if they
can just keep that going,
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00:50:53,564 --> 00:50:55,436
he can be that person
on the inside
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00:50:55,479 --> 00:50:59,353
that's gonna facilitate them
getting inside the walls.
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00:50:59,396 --> 00:51:02,182
What we wanted to play
at the end of this episode
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00:51:02,225 --> 00:51:05,185
is that Pope is unpredictable.
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00:51:05,228 --> 00:51:07,187
I don't think anybody predicted
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00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:10,799
that he was going to kill Frost
anyway in the middle of that,
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00:51:10,842 --> 00:51:13,584
but what we're learning
about Pope is
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00:51:13,628 --> 00:51:15,978
he's in a dark place.
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00:51:16,021 --> 00:51:17,632
He's spiraling in his own way.
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00:51:17,675 --> 00:51:21,940
He's obsessed with the idea
of Maggie being out there,
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00:51:21,984 --> 00:51:23,420
and so, in some ways,
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00:51:23,464 --> 00:51:26,380
he's messing with Daryl's head,
too, you know?
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00:51:26,423 --> 00:51:28,991
He's kind of, like,
making his own moves.
458
00:51:29,034 --> 00:51:31,994
Him going off and talking
and laughing with Carver
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00:51:32,037 --> 00:51:37,217
is completely designed to create
paranoia in Leah and in Daryl.
460
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:39,088
It doesn't even matter
what he's saying.
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00:51:39,132 --> 00:51:42,439
This is more about who Pope is
as a person right now
462
00:51:42,483 --> 00:51:45,616
and the questions
that's raising in Leah
463
00:51:45,660 --> 00:51:48,880
and the potential openings
that Daryl is starting to see
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00:51:48,924 --> 00:51:52,188
in how he can work
the situation.
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