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This imposing house in Kent
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was once the setting for one
of literature's greatest mysteries.
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Our story begins in 1870,
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on the 8th June, around about
six o'clock in the evening.
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On that particular day,
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Charles Dickens had been
hard at work on his latest novel.
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He'd worked for eight hours solid,
which was unusual for him -
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he preferred
working in shorter bursts.
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And that evening here at Gad's Hill,
which is now a school.
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He came down to the dining room
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to have dinner with
his sister-in-law, Miss Hogarth.
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Almost as soon as he entered,
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he started complaining
of a toothache,
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and immediately, he collapsed
and lost consciousness
and never recovered.
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He died shortly afterwards, and
he'd never complete his final novel,
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even though the first three
instalments already being published,
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gripping the nation,
leaving his audience with this
unquenchable thirst for resolution.
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The Mystery Of Edwin Drood
is one of the most perplexing
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and celebrated unfinished
masterpieces in English literature.
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It's a story that continues
to haunt us and entice us.
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I'm going to try and prize open
our fascination with this
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and other unfinished masterpieces
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that some of our greatest authors
and artists have left behind.
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Dickens' death before he got
to complete his final masterpiece
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is one of the great frustrations
of British literature.
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And more than 100 years later with
a new drama adaptation on the BBC,
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we're still trying
to solve his riddle
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and find the right ending
for this tantalising tale.
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KNOCKING AT DOOR
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Rosa! To your room this minute!
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What is it? When did you last see
Edwin? Yesterday afternoon. Why?
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You saw or heard nothing of him
last night?
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What has happened to Eddie?
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He departed my house last night
with Neville Landless
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and he never came home.
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Neville left at first light
to walk by the coast.
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Thank you, Miss Twinkleton.
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What Dickens left us
in the few chapters he had completed
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was a cast of brilliant characters,
and a riveting mystery to solve.
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Edwin Drood is the nephew
of John Jasper, a choirmaster
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who becomes obsessed
with Drood's fiancee, Rosa.
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Jasper seems respectable,
but he has secrets.
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He's addicted to opium, and he has
designs on the underage Rosa.
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So when his nephew disappears,
the finger points at him.
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There's a certain irony
to the fact that
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of all the works
he could have left unfinished,
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Dickens managed to die
in the middle of a murder mystery,
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leaving behind a whodunnit
that could never be solved.
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It's fiendishly frustrating.
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The full title is
The Mystery Of Edwin Drood.
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We don't know
what's happened to Edwin,
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whether Jasper has killed him
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and he's buried under
the cloisters in the cathedral.
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The Mystery Of Edwin Drood
is a special case, I think,
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of an excitement to want to complete
on the part of the reader
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because we know that Dickens had
a plan for it, cos he always did.
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We know that he had a plot
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and its incompletion is like
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the incompletion one might imagine
of an Agatha Christie novel
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or a John le Carre novel.
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It was designed as a puzzle
and it's the perfect puzzle.
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We'll never know, I mean, everyone
who's tried to - as it were -
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complete it, it's like completing
an incomplete game of chess,
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after two or three moves you don't
know where the game is going to go.
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One question
is whether Dickens himself
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knew where this story was going.
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The actual manuscript that Dickens
left behind still exists,
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here at the
Victoria and Albert Museum,
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so I'm going to take a look at it.
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Volume Two.
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And we turn to the end.
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This is the manuscript
of Edwin Drood.
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It looks very... This is bizarre,
looking at this!
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Here is this kind of cacophonous
page of writing with crossings-out
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and different coloured ink
and messy bits and neater passages.
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So there's a real sense
of a mind at work here.
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Cacophonous is a very good word,
actually.
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Dickens is always working
at a frenetic pace, as you know.
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One's feeling is when you see this
that he's throwing the words down.
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Some passages come out totally
clear, others he has to revise.
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I'm very glad to have seen this
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because Dickens has such
a teeming, fertile imagination,
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it would have been an immense
disappointment to find
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a very crabbed,
precise handwriting style
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that he was writing
in his original manuscript.
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So this is the very last page?
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It's the last page.
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"And then falls to
with an appetite."
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And then there's this
kind of spiralling flourish.
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Of course, this was written
within hours of him collapsing
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and having a stroke at Gad's Hill,
shortly before he died. Yes.
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I mean, this was in the final
24 to 48 hours of his life.
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He's not supposing that
he won't start with renewed energy
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the next time he sits down
to produce the next chapter.
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Don't you love that
the last word he wrote was appetite?
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There couldn't be
a more Dickensian word.
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But the thing that's so, in a sense,
moving but also slightly frustrating
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about looking at the manuscript
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is this idea that because you
look at it in his own hand,
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it feels so intimate and close to
him and to the workings of his mind
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that this reminds us
that we're all locked inside
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the fortress of our own solitude, of
our own identity and individuality.
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This doesn't reveal anything
about Dickens, does it,
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in terms of what he was going to do
with the story?
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It FEELS like it must,
there must be a clue here
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but what we're left with is just
this fainter and fainter line
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going down the page.
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o, no clues in the manuscript,
but back at Gad's Hill,
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Dickens' ancestor -
the biographer Lucinda Hawksley -
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might be able to help.
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Could we talk a little bit
about the whole sort of make-up
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of Dickens' imagination?
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Do we know where Dickens
got the plot for Edwin Drood from?
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Was it a figment of his imagination
or inspired by real-life events
or what?
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It was a little bit of both
and he started off,
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he wrote to John Forster and...
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Who was Forster? Sorry, his best
friend and his first biographer.
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And Dickens wrote to him and said
that he was going to do a story
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of a young couple who'd been intended
for each other from childhood
by their families,
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who go their separate ways
in the world.
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A very simple love story is how
he almost described it really,
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and at the end of the book they would
come to their "impending fate"
as he called it - marriage.
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Then he wrote to Forster in 1869,
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so just ten months before he died
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and he said that
he'd decided to turn it into
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a murder of a nephew by his uncle.
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We know from his time in America
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that Dickens had been
very interested in a real-life murder
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that had happened there.
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There was a chap called Parkman
who was a moneylender
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and he had a client
who was Professor Webster
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who owed him around $2,000,
which he just couldn't afford to pay.
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It was known that Parkman
was going to expose Webster.
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Parkman went to Harvard to meet the
professor and was never seen again.
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From that moment on,
Webster kept his laboratory locked
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and eventually the body
or parts of the body were discovered
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when the janitor - who'd become
very curious by all this -
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actually broke through the brickwork
to enter the laboratory that way
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and found human remains.
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It's known that Webster
had burned Dr Parkman's clothing
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and he'd also thrown the doctor's
watch into the river, in the hope...
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That's what happened in the novel!
Yes. The watch appears in the river.
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Absolutely.
Is the conclusion of this then,
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Dickens had killed off Edwin Drood
by the time of his death?
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I don't know if we can.
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That was his intention
originally in August of 1869
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but I don't know
if we can say for certain
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because Dickens liked to change
and keep his readers guessing.
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Part of the reason
the mystery is so tantalising
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is that it is unresolved, we don't
know whether he has been murdered.
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Exactly and he does say
in the same letter to Forster
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that it's a very good plot
but it's difficult to bring about.
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So, he says he doesn't want
to give away all of the plot
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because that would make
the book unreadable.
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So actually, he was even having
double thoughts at the time.
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For months after his death,
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the obituaries mourned
Dickens's characters
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as much as the man himself.
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It's as if the vivacity
of the characters
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that sprung from Dickens's
fertile imagination,
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gave them a life off the page
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that almost demanded
further attention.
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This, coupled with the
murder mystery format of Drood
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was just too much
for a clamorous public.
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The desire for a finished
Edwin Drood became like an itch
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that needed to be scratched.
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There have been all manner
of attempts
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to complete
The Mystery Of Edwin Drood.
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Already in 1873, for example,
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which is only three years
after Dickens' death,
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an American writer
called Thomas James
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attempted to finish the novel
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claiming that he'd been possessed
by Dickens's ghost
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and the books enjoyed afterlives in
a number of different media as well.
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I mean, there was a film,
a gothic horror movie in 1935
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with Claude Rains,
who starred in Casablanca,
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and my favourite I think,
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in the '80s there was
a Broadway musical version.
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It won five Tony awards.
It was the first musical ever
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to invite the audience to decide
on the ending, every single night.
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And certainly for the latest person
to finish the tale,
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this time for the BBC,
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reviving the characters
that Dickens so brilliantly sketched
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has been the key to completing
The Mystery Of Edwin Drood.
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I started off looking at the clues
that he left behind
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and I soon found
they were quite self-contradictory.
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And some of them didn't work,
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and some got in the way of the story,
particularly in this book,
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where he was writing in such a dark
and almost Gothic new style for him.
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The characters just spring out
of the page at you.
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They are the reason
people love this book.
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In fact, I was helped very
much in my wanderings
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by Dickens' favourite daughter,
Katie,
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who counselled everybody at the time.
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She said, "Don't get too hung-up..."
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I'm paraphrasing!
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"Don't get too hung-up
on the mystery.
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"Remember what my father loved
and was good at,
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"which was his fantastic
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"and strange insight into the
mysteries of the human heart."
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Fortified by Katie
the favourite daughter,
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I felt emboldened
to go with the characters,
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to go where I felt
they were going to take me.
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In the end, the person whose desires
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I most wanted to follow
to the end of the story
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was John Jasper,
the hero of the story.
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The dark, controlling, mad figure
right at the heart of this story.
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I always knew where I wanted
to end up with John Jasper,
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this wonderful anti-hero.
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I always knew where he would end up.
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And if you've seen the thing already,
you'll know that he ends up dead.
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He sort of...
He's a tragic hero. He needs to die.
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It needs to go so horribly wrong for
him that the only outcome is death.
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And I hope the nation weeps
at the loss of him,
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even though
he's a really horrible person.
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'Choose the light.
Our Father, who art in heaven...
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'Jasper, won't you join me?
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'Our Father, who art in heaven...'
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Hallowed be Thy name...
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'Hallowed be Thy name...'
Jack! 'Thy kingdom come...'
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Thy will be done...
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No!
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When you talked about your process,
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it sounded like you left
Dickens behind altogether
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and you imagined John Jasper.
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Were there ever times
when you're sitting at your desk
in the room next door
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where you would suddenly think,
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"This is quite an enormous thing
I'm taking on.
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"Dickens is one of a handful
of the greatest geniuses
in English literature
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"and I'm now trying to
complete the novel
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"and in a different medium.
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"Is that right? Is it wrong?"
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Those questions must have
troubled you at points.
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Yes, there were points when I felt,
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"Oh, Lord, I'll never scale
this mountain.
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"This is just too difficult.
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"I'm just little me
and he's Charles Dickens..."
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A giant in every way,
a man I love and respect.
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But I think, because I love
and respect him, it's OK.
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I think it's OK.
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I just sat on his lap
and listened to what he said,
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and sometimes he did object,
so I took it out!
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And just tried to do something
he would have liked,
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but not worrying about
what he wanted to do.
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I did what I wanted to do with
the story, with his characters,
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in a respectful and loving way.
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I'm sure Gwyneth is ultra-meticulous
in reviving Dickens's characters,
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but she's aided by the fact
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that she's adapting something
for TV,
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something that was originally
designed to be read.
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It's an important point to remember,
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because when you're making
a drama adaptation,
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in a sense, you bypass
the voice of the author altogether -
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his or her distinctive prose style -
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and concentrate instead on the words
of the characters.
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I wonder whether
if you're commissioned
to complete an unfinished novel
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that means in fact you face a
tougher challenge altogether?
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In most cases,
for an ordinary reader,
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we feel a connection
with the writer of the book.
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As in, famously, Catcher In The Rye,
where the narrator says,
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if you read a really good book,
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you want to ring up the author
and talk to them.
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And all readers recognise
that emotion.
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And so it becomes very strange
if you're ringing up somebody else.
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What we expect when we read
a novel by Austen or Dickens,
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or Laurence Sterne or whoever,
is actually a certain voice, really.
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And it may be the voice
of a character
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rather than the voice of the author,
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but that's terribly difficult
to bring off.
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And, in a sense,
even if somebody brings it off,
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the reader won't read it
as the genuine thing -
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they'll read it
as burlesque or pastiche.
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And that already
kind of undermines it.
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A whole industry has grown up
around the unfinished novel,
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of so-called "continuators" -
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authors who attempt new endings
to old stories.
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But honestly,
how successful can they really be?
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There's another great author
who left behind an unfinished work.
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'Jane Austen also died in the middle
of writing her last novel,
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'and I wonder whether her fans
really care to have it "continued"?'
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It was against the blustery backdrop
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of a seaside resort in Sussex
called Sanditon
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that the characters of Jane Austen's
last and unfinished novel
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lived their brief and aborted lives.
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'When Austen began writing Sanditon
in January 1817,
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'she was already in delicate health.
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'She died six months later,
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'with just 11 chapters complete.
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'But the scene was already set.'
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So Sanditon is a new coastal resort
with very grand ambitions,
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because its inhabitants
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are determined
to put the town on the map,
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and cash in on this recent vogue
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for holidaying
by the British seaside.
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It's quite a claustrophobic
community,
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but under Austen's expert eye,
it offers an opportunity
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for whip-smart social satire about
hypochondria, commercial greed,
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and what happens when a fresh-faced
singleton suddenly arrives in town.
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I was hoping to read you
a bit of description about the town,
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but we're enjoying such a blustery
British seaside weather
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that I'm a bit worried
the book's going to blow away!
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You'll just have to take it
from me
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that the book's actually
a very good read.
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I was going to say that we've come
to Sanditon, but we haven't -
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it's Eastbourne! Eastbourne.
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Because Sanditon is supposed to be
an up-and-coming seaside resort.
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It's all a terrific joke.
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There's this foolish Parker family.
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Mr Tom Parker, who actually owns
the village, the estate of Sanditon,
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is trying to turn it
into the best seaside resort.
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And we can see that Sanditon
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is going to turn into a cold turkey,
a dead duck.
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All Mr Parker's great ideas
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are probably going to fall
flat on their face.
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We know it's unfinished.
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There are 12 chapters,
but there may have been up to 30.
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But what about
the actual quality of the prose?
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Are we looking at something which is
a final draft up to that point?
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Or would this have been revised
had she lived?
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Well, people do comment that despite
the fact she was so ill,
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there's no sense of illness
in the story.
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It's very funny. It rushes along.
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And this is part of the sadness
of why it's unfinished,
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because it was obviously
going to be very long and very funny.
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How do you feel about the idea
of other authors attempting
to complete it?
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Well, I mean, would you want to copy
Jane Austen's style?
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COULD you copy her style?
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People now and then do try, and it's
so obvious that it's not hers.
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And they'd have to know
an awful lot about the social history
of the period,
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which all too many of the people
who do try and write completions
and sequels and continuations,
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they just don't, and it's so obvious.
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So, to finish, or not to finish?
That is the question.
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Is it better to have
half an original Austen,
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or a full story completed by
a more recent writer?
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'I thought I'd do
a bit of a straw poll.'
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Excuse me, hello, I'm Alastair.
Hi, Alastair.
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Excuse me, sir. Hello.
I'd like to give you a book.
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By Jane Austen -
her last novel, called Sanditon,
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possibly partly inspired
by Eastbourne.
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Are you a Jane Austen fan? No!
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The only catch is that she died
before she completed it.
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You want us to finish it off
for you? If you could!
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You haven't heard of it?
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Not that many people have.
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It's partly because
she never finished it. Ah!
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What I would love would be for you
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to choose either to take away
a copy of the incomplete novel -
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just her words -
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or there are some people
who got to it before you did,
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and tried to complete it.
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So you get the whole story with this
one, but not necessarily the whole
story that Austen herself imagined.
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The choice is yours, Barry!
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I don't mind reading the unfinished
one, because you can put your own
ending to it.
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You'd rather have the incomplete,
would you? Because it's shorter?
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Yeah, I can see me reading that.
It's not going to take me
too long, is it?
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I would go for
the half-finished one.
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Half-finished? Right, that's one
for you. Can I ask why?
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Because the inspiration
and the character
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came from an original author,
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and I don't see how someone else can
pick it up and do the same thing.
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So the idea of the complete one
is a bit of a turn-off
because it's not her original...?
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It's not her writing. Yes.
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You don't think that if the writer
was sufficiently brilliant
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they could get into the mindset
of the original author,
and complete it?
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If they were that brilliant,
why would they want to? Why not
just do their own thing?
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You're going to give this to me?
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It's a gift from me to you, Barry!
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Thank you very much. Not at all!
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It's lovely in Eastbourne, normally!
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Do I get to keep this?
Yes. Enjoy it! Bye-bye.
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I'll tell you what puzzles me.
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If attempting to complete a Dickens
is so controversial
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or finishing an Austen is always
going to be seen as second best,
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then, in a sense,
why bother in the first place?
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Surely it's the literary
equivalent of a suicide mission?
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Or perhaps our desire as readers
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to keep characters alive
and here to the end
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is so strong that,
after all, we don't really mind?
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Frank Kermode wrote a book
called Sense Of An Ending.
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And one of the bases of what
he was saying in that book is that
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all our ideologies in the West
are teleological.
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They're going somewhere -
the final judgement,
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the withering away of the State
if you're a Marxist.
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And so, to some extent,
we're all wired for conclusions.
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Very famously, Kermode came up with
the observation that
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when we hear a clock go
"tick tick tick",
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what we hear is "tick tock", because
we like beginnings and endings.
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"Every tick," he said, "is a genesis.
Every tock is a feeble apocalypse."
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That is, to some extent,
how we frame our universe.
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So, we're, as it were, motivated
like lemmings going over a cliff.
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We're motivated to look for endings.
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One of the principles of any art
is that it's unified.
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And so they expect that all
the elements in the work somehow
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thematically or structurally
relate
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to all the other elements
in the work.
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And that it'll all be tied
with closure.
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I have a plan, sir... Really,
Baldrick? A cunning and subtle one?
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Yes, sir.
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As cunning as a fox
who's just been appointed
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Professor of Cunning
at Oxford University? Yes, sir.
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A work of literature takes its
meaning from the ending.
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Whatever it was, I'm sure it was
better than my plan
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to get out of this
by pretending to be mad.
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Who would've noticed
another madman around here?
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Blackadder Goes Forth
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is perhaps the darkest sitcom
there's ever been,
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because they all die
at the end of it.
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And if you took that scene off it,
it becomes a comedy,
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a lighter comedy,
in which they might have survived.
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And this is important.
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So if you have an unfinished story,
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then, at quite an important level,
it's meaningless.
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Good luck, everyone.
WHISTLES BLOW
Go!
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So we're culturally hardwired
to want an ending.
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We expect closure
and we desire the meaning
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that only endings can deliver.
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Fair enough.
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But can it ever be the case that all
these ingredients are contained
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WITHIN an unfinished novel
or a painting?
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For instance, there's the case
of the famous unfinished portrait
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of one of America's
greatest presidents.
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This is a reproduction
of the portrait
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of the first American president,
George Washington.
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It was begun in 1796
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by the charming, fashionable
portrait painter, Gilbert Stuart.
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And it went on to become
quite a famous image.
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It didn't have very auspicious
beginnings, for two reasons.
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Firstly, the president recently had
acquired a new set of false teeth,
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which meant that his jaw line
bulged in a disturbing way,
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which wasn't very flattering,
and Stuart had to negotiate that.
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Secondly, Stuart normally
tried to liven up his sitters
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by engaging them
with repartee and banter,
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but Washington proved to be
quite a dry old stick.
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He wouldn't really liven up at all
until Stuart eventually
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engaged him on the president's
favourite subject of horses.
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But in spite of Stuart's efforts,
the painting remained unfinished.
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In fact, at some stage, the painter
just stopped trying to complete it,
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and instead put his efforts
into reproducing it
almost a hundred times
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and selling it
in its unfinished state.
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I'm curious as to why he did this,
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and why the portrait was
so desirable nevertheless.
442
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So I've come to a patch of the US
in the UK to find out more.
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Thank you for inviting
me into your office.
444
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I feel like I'm in an episode
of The West Wing,
but we're in Edinburgh.
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The first thing that's obvious when
you come into the office
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is there is a replica
of Gilbert Stuart's famous portrait
of George Washington.
447
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And you can see at once,
even though it's cropped,
the thing was never finished.
448
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Why do you think it was incomplete?
449
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I have a theory that he didn't
finish it on purpose,
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because it did generate buzz,
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it did generate enthusiasm.
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People did pay a lot of money at that
time for replicas of that painting,
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so I think it was his way of creating
a commercial interest in it.
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What does that portrait mean,
if you like, to most Americans?
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I think most people who look
at portraits of George Washington,
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especially this one,
because it's one of the best-known,
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probably feel a sense of pride and
affection for their first president.
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And not just in an abstract
or historic context, either.
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Gilbert Stuart's portrait
of Washington
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has been copied
on to the one-dollar bill,
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which has been in circulation in the
United States for over a century.
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As a result,
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it's now one of the most
recognisable symbols of America.
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The US one-dollar bill is the most
widely circulated note in America
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and a lot of gentlemanly bets
get done with that one-dollar note.
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People with their first business
frame that first note they got
from their first customer.
467
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,200
Do you think most Americans realise
the image of George Washington
468
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,320
on the one-dollar bill is based upon
a portrait that was never finished?
469
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,640
I would guess most people don't know
it's an unfinished portrait, that
they haven't seen the whole thing.
470
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,160
You are American - right? Yes.
471
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,760
So I'd like to give you
this dollar bill. Thank you!
472
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,080
What does that image mean to you?
473
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720
That's George Washington,
first president of the US.
474
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,560
This is quite a famous image.
Do you know what it's based on?
475
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600
I believe it's a portrait.
476
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,080
This is a reproduction
of the portrait.
What are your first impressions?
477
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,880
I guess I assumed it would've been
a finished portrait.
478
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,760
Does it seem strange
that here's this iconic image,
479
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,400
which is very complete
on the dollar bill,
480
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,440
and actually, here's this clearly
incomplete sorcery?
481
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,320
I think George Washington is such
a major figure in American history,
482
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,080
you can fill in the gaps, even if the
portrait painter didn't have time.
483
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,640
There are a lot of artistic works
throughout history
484
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,040
that are incomplete.
485
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,760
It's one of those unique things.
486
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Maybe you wish it was finished,
or want to know why it wasn't,
but it doesn't bother me at all.
487
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,400
Now, thanks to it being
used in a different context
488
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,280
on the dollar bill,
it has a whole set of associations,
489
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,720
a new narrative, if you like,
which feels much more finished,
490
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,160
even though Stuart never had
any control over that whatsoever.
491
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,480
Yeah, I think so.
492
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,240
I think you could probably ask
millions of Americans
493
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,880
what that portrait means to them,
what the dollar bill means to them
494
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,920
or what George Washington
means to them
495
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
and you would get a million
different answers.
496
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,160
But yeah, I think sometimes
you don't have to finish something
497
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,240
for there to be a complete story.
498
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800
With his portrait of Washington,
499
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,440
Gilbert Stuart had told the story
his audience needed
500
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,760
without actually finishing.
501
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Perhaps the very unfinished nature
of the work reflected the fact
502
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,360
that all Americans knew their
own story was only just beginning,
503
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,680
and that, like the painting itself,
their nation had a way to go.
504
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,400
This sense of what constitutes
the story of a work of art
505
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,080
must therefore be essential.
506
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,280
Sometimes it seems that
powerful meaning
507
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200
can even trump polish and finesse.
508
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,040
But how does this work
with the written word?
509
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,080
Is there ever a time where a novel
or a poem can feel complete
510
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,520
without being finished?
511
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,760
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
512
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,200
A stately pleasure dome decree
513
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,680
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
514
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Through caverns measureless to man
515
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,680
Down to a sunless sea
516
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,200
So twice five miles of fertile ground
517
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,880
With walls
and towers were girdled round:
518
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,920
And here were gardens bright
with sinuous rills,
519
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,200
Where blossomed many
an incense-bearing tree;
520
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,600
And here were forests
ancient as the hills,
521
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
522
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Kubla Khan is one of the most famous
poems in the English language,
523
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,760
memorable not just for its pulsing,
musical originality,
524
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,440
but for the opium-induced reverie
in which it was conceived.
525
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,600
According to Coleridge, Kubla Khan
isn't actually finished at all.
526
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,640
The story goes,
that the entire work,
527
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,360
some two or three hundred lines,
528
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,040
came to him, unbidden, fully formed,
in a dream, and upon awaking,
529
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,840
flashing with inspiration,
he sat down
530
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,120
and began transcribing this poem.
531
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,960
But he only managed to get through
a tantalising 54 lines
532
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:12,240
before he was interupted by a person
on business from Porlock, he says.
533
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,040
By the time that
he returned to his desk,
534
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,160
his majestic vision had evaporated.
535
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,240
"Passed away," he wrote, "like
images on the surface of a stream
536
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,040
"into which a stone is being cast."
At least that's his line.
537
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,760
The thing is, the whole story
about this humdrum
538
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,320
mystery visitor from Porlock might
just be the biggest tease
539
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,520
in English literary history.
540
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,880
At the time, Coleridge considered
Kubla Kahan a mere fragment
541
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,360
and not a serious work.
542
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,680
It was only published about 20 years
later at the request of his friend,
543
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,920
the poet, Lord Byron.
544
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Andrew, Kubla Khan is such
a beautiful poem,
545
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,080
such a well-known poem, but this
idea of its fragmentariness,
546
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,240
if we take his word,
547
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240
then he was interrupted by
this fabled man from Porlock.
548
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,720
I think someone once said that if
anyone in the history of literature
549
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,200
deserves to be shot,
it's this bloke from Porlock!
550
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,800
I mean, do you buy that story?
551
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,680
Perhaps it is an invention,
but, actually, I have to say,
552
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,720
it doesn't really bother
me very much.
553
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,360
It must be one of the best-known,
best-loved poems in the entire
English language,
554
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,480
so people can't be feeling
too cheesed off not getting what
they paid for!
555
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,880
I guess the thing that intrigues me
about Kubla Khan is this idea that,
556
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320
maybe it's not literally unfinished,
maybe it is finished,
557
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760
but it's masquerading
as an unfinished poem. Yeah.
558
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,760
By advertising it as
an unfinished poem,
559
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,400
which he goes to some
lengths to do,
560
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,760
he appears to want to get out
of being responsible
561
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,200
for producing a more finished thing.
"The dog ate my homework."
562
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,520
That would be one way of reading it.
563
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,800
I think the other way of reading it,
and this seems to me more important,
564
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,640
and certainly more powerfully to do
with the purposes of the poem,
565
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,360
is to regard it as something which,
in completeness,
566
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,360
is something IS the point
of the poem,
567
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,240
that what Coleridge is writing about
is how our reach exceeds our grasp,
568
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,480
how our creative visions can
never be realised entirely,
569
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,920
and so on, and so forth.
570
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,600
In other words, the fragmentary
nature of it is the subject,
571
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,120
it's not a failure,
it is the subject.
572
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,640
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
floated midway on the waves.
573
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Where was heard the mingled measure,
from the fountain and the caves.
574
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,160
It was a miracle of rare device,
575
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,480
A sunny pleasure-dome
with caves of ice!
576
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,480
For the Romantics, the creative
process was something
577
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,200
mystical and elusive, it was
sublime, it was almost God-like,
578
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,280
so, it wasn't all that surprising
if things couldn't be finished.
579
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,520
In fact, it was testament to the
power of imagination,
580
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,000
that shadowy realm of make-believe
inside all our minds,
581
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,440
our heads, that you can never really
tame, or transcribe, because,
582
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,240
ultimately, it remains forever
measureless to man.
583
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,240
Another famous author left
fragments behind him.
584
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:32,520
By the time that the modernist
writer Franz Kafka died in 1924,
585
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,960
he's produced manuscripts
of 3 novels,
586
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,400
The Castle, The Trial and Amerika,
and not one of them complete.
587
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,280
He left the manuscripts in the hands
of his friend Max Brod,
588
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,760
with instructions to burn them,
which Brod ignored.
589
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,720
They're now regarded as masterpieces
of 20th-century fiction,
590
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:55,960
their fragmentary nature
a reflection of an anxious
591
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,120
and uncertain modern world,
where neat endings, or resolutions,
592
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,160
no longer had a place.
593
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,240
Obviously I'm relieved,
for the sake of literary history,
594
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,280
that Brod disobeyed
his instructions,
595
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,280
isn't there a bigger issue here?
Coleridge and Gilbert Stuart,
596
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,560
they knowingly published
their unfinished, fragmentary works,
597
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,760
but Kafka himself never intended
his novels to be read.
598
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,200
It's pretty clear from everything we
know about Kafka's life
599
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,320
that he wanted to have a career
as a writer,
600
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,560
I suspect, and it was denied him.
So, in those cases it's OK.
601
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,840
I think it is very different from,
a writer dies inconveniently
602
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,800
to their family and their publisher,
and so they just carry on,
603
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,960
in whatever way they possibly can.
604
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,560
I think with The Trial
we have something different,
605
00:35:53,560 --> 00:36:01,680
because I think Kafka was,
in some sense, deluded,
606
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,720
or at least hugely over-pessimistic
about whether this thing
607
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,720
deserved to survive.
I mean, that's the point,
608
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,960
he didn't think
it deserved to survive,
609
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,960
and I think he's simply wrong
about that.
610
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,120
So, that's OK then,
Kafka just got it wrong,
611
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,760
we're all the beneficiaries
of his misjudgement,
612
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080
but what happens when
artists or writers
613
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,400
suppress works that just
aren't worthy of publication?
614
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,640
What should we do when we come
across those?
615
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,040
I'm on my way to meet
Dr Jean Moorcroft Wilson,
616
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,400
an academic who recently
made an important discovery -
617
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,960
seven previously
unpublished poems,
618
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,840
that could completely
alter our understanding
619
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,720
of the First World War poet
Siegfried Sassoon.
620
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,800
Sassoon, like his contemporary,
Wilfred Owen,
621
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,960
has always been regarded as someone
622
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,320
who was against
the glorification of war.
623
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Instead, he felt compelled
to present
624
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,080
its bleak truth to the world.
625
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,760
Sassoon arrived in the trenches
in November 1915.
626
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,160
His first poem, The Redeemer,
627
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,600
gives a particularly unsparing
account of life on the front line.
628
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,760
We lugged our clay-sucked boots
as best we might along the trench.
629
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,400
Sometimes a bullet sang,
630
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,360
and droning shells burst with
a hollow bang.
631
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,120
We were soaked, chilled
and wretched, every one.
632
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,160
Darkness, the distant wink
of a huge gun.
633
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,720
Dr Moorcroft Wilson's discovery
was of a series of Sassoon's
634
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,360
unfinished poems that were
out of character, to say the least.
635
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,080
One in particular, in contrast to
his other work of the time,
636
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,760
depicts war very differently.
637
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,120
This one, Glory 1916, I think,
was unpublished
638
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,160
partly because it was
unfinished.
639
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,240
Certain decisions hadn't been made,
640
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:23,480
and certain lines have been
duplicated with different versions.
641
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,360
But also because, he perhaps didn't
want to be viewed as a man
642
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,040
who hadn't been firm in his
movement towards anti-war poetry.
643
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,120
When you say
they hadn't been published,
644
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,360
this is his own self-censorship,
effectively?
645
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,360
He'd written these poems
during the war,
646
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,400
and he'd deliberately decided
to suppress the poems
you've discovered?
647
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,840
That's all I can conclude.
I don't know.
648
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,440
I can't...
I'm not in Sassoon's mind.
649
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,120
But I would assume
that that is the case, yes.
650
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Because it's not a bad poem,
in fact, it's a rather nice poem.
651
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,160
Can we have a look at it?
652
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Yes, of course we can.
653
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,040
So this is a facsimile
of the diary itself?
654
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,640
Yes.
655
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:09,120
This is a facsimile and the poem
is opposite the entry for Jan 25th.
656
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,640
You and the winds
ride out together.
657
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,440
Your company the world's
great weather.
658
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,120
The clouds your plume.
659
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,360
The glittering sky
a host of swords in harmony,
660
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,400
with the whole
loveliness of light,
661
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,840
flung forth to lead you
through the fight.
662
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,120
So he's been in the trenches
at this point...
663
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,360
Yes, he's been in the trenches.
664
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,840
..And he's written about the
experience as in a poem,
665
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,560
like The Redeemer,
which feels quite nightmarish,
666
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,240
and he's suddenly writing
glorified war poems?
667
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,280
Yes, and he's comparing himself
and his young companion,
668
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,680
who happens to be the man
he's in love with in real life,
669
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,160
his young companion, to Sir Galahad.
670
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:53,040
So, here he is writing Glory 1916.
I could hardly believe it!
671
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,200
I had imagined,
in my simplicity, that the line
672
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,600
went from glorying war to
criticising war, but it doesn't.
673
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,800
It goes backwards, forwards,
backwards, forwards.
674
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,840
You're a far cry from a tabloid
journalist
675
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,880
rummaging around in someone's bins,
but in literary biography,
676
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,720
is this in any way similar?
677
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,680
Essentially, you've found these
private notes and diaries
678
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,800
and poems which Sassoon didn't
want to see the light of day,
679
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,880
and effectively you are championing
them and bringing them out,
680
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,000
and allowing people to engage with
them, read them, know them.
681
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,200
That's going to change
our understanding of Sassoon.
682
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,200
Is that a morally right thing to do?
683
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,840
I think you're assuming that because
he didn't want them published
684
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,600
means that he didn't want them seen.
685
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,760
I don't think he thought
they were worthy of publication
686
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,440
because the others
were perhaps better.
687
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,600
I think we're really only adding
to our knowledge of Sassoon
688
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,280
when we publish this.
689
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,680
And don't forget we only do so
with the permission of his family.
690
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,520
We like to think of our artists
691
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,840
and writers as following career
trajectories as they develop.
692
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,320
But this suggests something
very different.
693
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,360
As a biographer,
I love the fact that it suggests
something very different.
694
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,520
I much prefer it
if he gives me a surprise.
695
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,640
And this gives me the sense that I
don't know Sassoon
696
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,160
as thoroughly as I thought I did.
697
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,920
Good. I'm glad about that.
698
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,960
It means I can go on indefinitely
writing biographies
of Siegfried Sassoon.
699
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,000
You know, thinking about Siegfried
Sassoon has made me reconsider
700
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,040
our whole attitude to unfinished
works of art and literature.
701
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Because the poem Glory 1916 to me,
just seems to creak a bit.
702
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,000
All that Arthurian rhetoric
just feels false
703
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,200
and fanciful compared to the blunt
and much earthier power
704
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,840
of other poems from the same
period like The Redeemer.
705
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,360
So perhaps Sassoon didn't want to
publish it for a reason.
706
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,760
And perhaps we should
respect those wishes?
707
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Perhaps we don't automatically
have the right to publish
708
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,280
an author's unfinished
work after all.
709
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,960
I always argue for
publishing art
710
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,440
even when it isn't as good
as it might be.
711
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,920
There are two alternatives.
712
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,280
One is that we destroy it,
713
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,040
that we actually burn
the manuscript ourselves,
714
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,600
in which case
I think we're basically Nazis.
715
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,400
Or we lock it away in an archive
716
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,960
and what we say is only scholars
can have access to it,
717
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,600
only the rich can have access to it
718
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,040
because they can get on a plane and
fly across the world to the archive.
719
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Or even if the archive
becomes for sale,
720
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,840
then private collectors can have it
and really lock it away.
721
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,040
So, actually publishing is a far
more democratic mode
722
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,240
that says this will be available
to anyone that can come up
with a tenner
723
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,400
and then again
we can make distinctions,
724
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,880
we can make judgement calls
about what its value might be.
725
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:03,160
There is a tendency to think that
the dead person would have wanted
what most suits us.
726
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,200
For example, Ernest Hemingway.
727
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,880
Books have appeared posthumously
728
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,400
which he would never
have imagined existing.
729
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,600
They come from collections of notes
or things that he left unfinished
730
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,080
and somebody else has
shaped them into a book.
731
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,760
I think you have to be
so, so careful with that.
732
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,160
In fact, I think it is wrong
733
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,680
because that is a form of
literary necrophilia
734
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,840
in which you are completely altering
the shape of an artist's life.
735
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,800
Literary necrophilia
could also describe the phenomenon
736
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,640
of extending a writer's body of work
after their death.
737
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:56,000
I'm not talking about
cobbling together notebooks
or unfinished works.
738
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,800
I'm talking about hiring writers
to create entirely new stories.
739
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,720
Recently, both Sherlock Holmes
740
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:08,400
and James Bond have been
reincarnated to die another day.
741
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,240
Call me cynical but I'm assuming
the reasons for extending franchises
like that
742
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,320
are ultimately financial,
commercial.
743
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,680
The man I want to ask about this
is Jonny Geller,
744
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,200
a literary agent who works
here in central London.
745
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,960
He looks after on of the biggest
estates of them all,
746
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,400
that of Ian Fleming,
author of James Bond.
747
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,240
MUSIC: "James Bond"
by Scouting For Girls
748
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:41,760
# 007, Britain's finest
secret agent, licensed to kill
749
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,320
# Mixing business with girls
and thrills
750
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,680
# I've seen you walk the screen
It's you that I adore
751
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,920
# Since I was a boy
I've wanted to be like Roger Moore
752
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:02,000
# A girl in every port
And gadgets up my sleeve
753
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,200
# The world is not enough
For the both of us it seems
754
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,920
# So I wish I was James Bond
Just for the day
755
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:16,200
# Kissing all the girls
Blow the bad guys away... #
756
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,600
There's a tradition
of inviting great writers
to carry on the character
757
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,360
and the role of the estate
and my help
758
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,000
is to try and keep the integrity of
the character alive
759
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,640
with really the intention
that people go back
760
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,640
to those great novels
that he wrote.
761
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,360
Bond saw luck as a woman,
to be softly wooed
762
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,240
or brutally ravaged,
never pandered to or pursued.
763
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:48,200
But he was honest enough that he had
never yet been made to suffer
by cards or women.
764
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,400
One day, he accepted the fact
765
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,440
he would be brought
to his knees by love or by luck.
766
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,520
When you say "integrity
of the character", do you mean
767
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,960
literally how
we think about James Bond
768
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,400
or Ian Fleming's prose style?
Because they could be slightly
different things.
769
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,240
It's mixture of both.
Ian Fleming's prose style -
770
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,240
so that it's not written
in a completely different way
771
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:16,760
because modern thrillers have a
completely different tone and pace.
772
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,200
And the other side of it is
would James Bond,
773
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,360
in the way Ian Fleming
wrote it, have done this thing?
774
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,920
How consistent is that
with the character?
775
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,160
How do you go about choosing
the writers who become Ian Fleming?
776
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Actually, fundamentally
a love of Ian Fleming's writing.
777
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,080
There's no point just hiring
someone who just thinks
it'll be a good opportunity
778
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,520
because it will show through.
779
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,320
And every writer who has done
the Ian Fleming continuation
780
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,800
including Charlie Higson who had
a very successful series of
Young Bond,
781
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,480
they grew up reading Ian Fleming
and they love it.
782
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,120
That is genuine
and it comes through in the writing.
783
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,080
You can't do this cynically,
strangely.
784
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,000
Very often authors finish a work
785
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,320
and then find that their audiences,
786
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,360
their readerships
won't let them finish it.
787
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,600
So, for instance,
Conan Doyle kills Sherlock Holmes,
788
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:19,640
has him fall in a fatal embrace
into the Reichenbach Falls
with Professor Moriarty
789
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,400
But then of course the readership,
the Holmesians,
790
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,240
those who feel that
life is meaningless
791
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:32,320
unless they have the sleuth of
221B Baker Street,
demand that he comes back.
792
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,520
So he's brought back from the dead.
793
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,920
Sherlock is another character
who seems to resist endings.
794
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,160
Having survived his own
fictional death,
795
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,000
and that of his creator Conan Doyle,
he's back.
796
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,280
After almost a century,
he's here again,
797
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,200
re-born in Anthony Horowitz's new
Sherlock mystery, The House of Silk.
798
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,640
"Indeed, Watson.
But there is one thing
799
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,520
"I would particularly like to know,
800
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,680
"for I am beginning to see great
danger in this situation."
801
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,520
He glanced at the fountain of
the stone figures in the frozen
circle of water.
802
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,360
"I wonder if Mrs Catherine Carstairs
is able to swim?"
803
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,280
It's interesting that Holmes, Bond,
they're genre fiction.
804
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,920
Genre fiction, even more than
literary fiction,
805
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,520
depends on the construction of
believable characters.
806
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,520
It's always character-driven.
807
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,160
That means we get to know
and like the characters.
808
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,080
We do not want them killed off.
We are cross if they are killed off.
809
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,560
So, there's
a kind of Houdini-like thing.
810
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,040
What does Conan Doyle have to do
to kill Sherlock Holmes?
811
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,880
How deep an abyss does he have to
fall into not to be able
to crawl out again?
812
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,120
It's absolutely fascinating.
813
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,560
However completed a story be,
we imagine what happens after it.
814
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,720
Imagining what happens after it
815
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:07,600
is one of our most important
responses to a story
that has really gripped us.
816
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:13,280
You get to the end of The Odyssey
and Odysseus is home
817
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,320
and he kills his rivals
and he's back with his wife.
818
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,160
End of story.
Perhaps the greatest story even told.
819
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,560
But for many people
over the centuries,
820
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,200
it's not necessarily the end.
821
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,960
Tennyson wrote a wonderful
poem, Ulysses.
822
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:34,400
Imagine what it would then be like
for this epic hero after the end.
823
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Because how could such a person
settle down to suburban existence
in Ithaca?
824
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,360
I feel quite nostalgic looking at
these books in front of me.
825
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,600
I didn't actually own these precise
copies when I was little
826
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,800
but they're representative
of a particular genre I enjoyed.
827
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Adventure books in which
you, as a kid reading the book,
shaped the narrative.
828
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,400
So here are several examples.
829
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,480
And one of the big things
about these books is that
they have many different endings.
830
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,680
Loads of different endings,
tens of different endings.
831
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,600
This one says choose from
28 endings. There's one here
that has 39 endings.
832
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,720
There are as many as 42 endings.
Look how small that book is.
833
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,680
It must be nothing
but endings, in a sense.
834
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,320
I think part of the reason
these appealed to me so much
835
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,160
is that... I'm trying to think of
the purest,
836
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,840
most innocent aesthetic response
you could have ever
837
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,600
and it would have been
when you're reading a book as a kid
838
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:37,080
and you're utterly immersed
in that imaginary world
that the author has created
839
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,600
and you don't want it to end.
840
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,600
The beauty of these adventure books
is that they never really
did have to end.
841
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,920
You could almost anticipate
when the narrative was trying
to shape your response
842
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560
and create an ending
and you could defer it.
843
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,000
You could deliberately
complicate the narrative
844
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,160
so that it would never
come to a conclusion.
845
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,840
But, actually, as an adult
these days it's no different.
846
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,280
Perhaps now the idea of
never finishing,
847
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,920
never letting go of
our favourite characters
848
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,400
is as hard-wired
into our narrative expectations
849
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,720
as the need for endings
and closure was in Dickens' time.
850
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,040
In fact, you begin to wonder
if Dickens were alive today,
851
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,560
whether he would be allowed to
finish ANYTHING
852
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,520
or, like the writers of the Archers
or EastEnders,
853
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,720
he'd be forever delivering endings
that set up new beginnings.
854
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:40,960
One of the great
unfinished works of art,
855
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,080
and obviously I would claim it as
this, is Coronation Street.
856
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,840
That sense that you get the feeling
it's never going to end.
857
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Corrie, EastEnders,
Brookside in its day
858
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,000
or Frasier, Friends, whatever it is.
859
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,440
The point about these
are that they're people.
860
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,280
They become part of our lives,
861
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,160
we want them back
and we won't let them go.
862
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,840
The television series
promises the most,
863
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:19,040
I believe, remarkable expansion of
the storytelling arts ever in history
864
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:25,160
and this ability to get it in a book
or a box and download it
865
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,240
and watch at your convenience
866
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:35,560
and watch it season after season,
hundreds of hours of material.
867
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,840
If the writers can create characters
that are fascinating
868
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,520
and empathetic over a long period
of years like that,
869
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,360
then the complexity of story
will rival life.
870
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,920
Arguably the most influential TV
drama series of the noughties,
871
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,800
described as the greatest pop
culture masterpiece of its day,
872
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,440
The Sopranos was a story
of everyday mafia folk.
873
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,280
Tony Soprano wrestled
with the conflicting demands
874
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,960
of being a mobster as well as
an ordinary family man.
875
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,800
The series lasted almost
a decade before it ran out of steam.
876
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,360
Tony Soprano keeps fascinating us
over and over
877
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,200
cos he's got relationships with
his family, his professional family,
878
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,240
the FBI, the ducks on his pond, his
psychiatrist, all of his mistresses.
879
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,920
And because of this incredible
cast of characters,
880
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,160
Tony Soprano is endlessly
surprising,
881
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,920
endlessly revealing.
882
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,800
And just when you think you know
Tony Soprano, you really don't.
883
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,480
Until you do.
884
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,080
And when they reached that point
after eight years,
885
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:55,160
he was exhausted. There was
nothing left in Tony to expose.
886
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,040
The series conclusion
was feverishly anticipated.
887
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,000
Would Tony finally get clipped?
888
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,680
A mafia assassination
seemed on the cards
889
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,400
but it was a show that continually
defied expectations.
890
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,640
So what did happen to Tony Soprano?
891
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,520
Strangely,
even after the final credits rolled,
892
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,840
many felt that the story
was left unfinished.
893
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,840
Those craving
some kind of conclusion,
894
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,160
which they felt they deserved
after eight years of watching
this particular programme.
895
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,920
They thought they didn't get it.
896
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,520
For those of us weaned on Twin Peaks
and The Prisoner,
897
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,640
programmes like this
that ended without ending
898
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,200
but in a funny sort of way opened up
all sorts of possibilities,
899
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,880
it was the perfect happy ending.
900
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,400
I'm on my way to meet the British
film director Mike Figgis
901
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,040
just to have a chat about that
famously controversial ending
of The Sopranos
902
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,680
because he directed a single episode
in season five
903
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,480
and I'd love to hear his take.
904
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,560
I think he's... Ah, perfect.
Thank you. He's just in here.
905
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,360
Thanks.
906
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,160
I mean, obviously you didn't direct
the final episode,
907
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,520
but it's famously controversial and
I'd love to hear your take on it.
908
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,160
Press play.
909
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,600
In the final scene, the Soprano
family are due to meet for dinner
in their favourite restaurant.
910
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,040
There's an uneasy sense, as there
has been throughout the series,
911
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,520
that there may be a price to pay
for Tony's violent Mafia lifestyle.
912
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,400
Despite the apparent normality of
the diner, the camerawork suggests
913
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,760
that every character who swims
into vision could be an assassin.
914
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,760
Mm, onion rings...
915
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:55,240
Because we'd been brought up on
The Godfather and Scorsese's Mean
Streets and all the rest of it,
916
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:58,680
we understand the film genre
called, you know, the Mafia.
917
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,520
We expect them to get it.
918
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,800
And actually, given the history
of The Sopranos,
919
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,840
we expect them to get it in the most
horrifically bloodthirsty way.
920
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:15,160
The minute we see cars having a hard
time parking, and backing in,
921
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,840
we expect a car bomb, or we expect
someone to get out and go,
922
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,080
"Lady, can I give you a hand?"
And then bombs through the window.
923
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,080
You know what the shot will look
like. It'll be shattered glass,
924
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,600
blood sprayed on the glass.
925
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:32,480
There's only a small number of
cliches about how Mafia killings
are depicted in film.
926
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,280
As if the tension weren't ramped up
enough, there's also the knowledge
927
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,520
that in a matter of minutes,
the end must come
928
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,960
and the show must finish.
929
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,840
MUSIC: "Don't Stop Believing"
by Journey
930
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,000
Focus on the good times.
931
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,440
Don't be sarcastic.
932
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,160
The song that is used at the end of
the entire programme
933
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,160
is Don't Stop Believing,
the Journey version.
934
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,800
And it actually ends on "don't stop".
935
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,760
You know, "stop" is the last word.
And I do love that because it's using
the classic example
936
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,120
of the song that would always be used
for a big, joyous, climactic,
937
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,760
happy ending, closure, resolution.
938
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,200
But it's using it at the exact
moment...well, the exact opposite.
939
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,760
# Street light people
940
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,720
# Oh-oh
941
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,320
# Don't stop... #
942
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,320
Whoa!
943
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,880
I've never seen that before.
944
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,760
But I can see
why it's controversial.
945
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,960
How much more satisfying that was
in the long term.
946
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,720
Why is it more satisfying? Because
we're still talking about it.
947
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,040
If you can come up with a device
948
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,440
where you, the writer, director
and so on, the creators of this,
949
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,160
can take the audience
to somewhere where, almost like
they close the last minute,
950
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,000
then your imagination can continue
with those characters.
951
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:54,280
And somewhere in that virtual film
space, we can conjecture ourselves,
952
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,720
rather like reading a book,
what may or may not have happened
to all of them.
953
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:04,200
# Somewhere in the night... #
954
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,120
So, is that it?
955
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,320
Today we have never-endings
rather than conclusions.
956
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,960
I think so. I get the sense
that in the 21st century,
957
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,840
we want to keep the story expanding
and keep the conversation going.
958
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:23,400
# Don't stop believing
959
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,360
# Hold on to that feeling
960
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,440
# Street light people
961
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,640
# Don't stop... #
962
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,240
# Street light people
963
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,520
# Oh-oh
964
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,760
# Don't stop believing
965
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,280
# Hold on to that feeling
966
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,200
# Street light people... #
967
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,320
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