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Hey, I heard a really neat joke 13 00:00:36,870 --> 00:00:38,037 at recess, you wanna hear it? 14 00:00:38,205 --> 00:00:39,247 Man: Why, certainly, son. Go ahead. 15 00:00:39,415 --> 00:00:40,832 Boy: Okay. Well, you see, there was this priest 16 00:00:40,999 --> 00:00:42,667 and this minister and this... Wait, what do you call it... 17 00:00:42,835 --> 00:00:44,585 Rabbi, yeah. And they were in this car and-- 18 00:00:44,753 --> 00:00:46,546 Man: Hold it right there, son. Around this house, 19 00:00:46,714 --> 00:00:48,631 we don't make jokes about religion, do we? 20 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:50,591 Boy: Aw, but gee, Dad, it's a really cute joke. 21 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:52,260 Man: Don't "Aw, gee" me, son. 22 00:00:52,428 --> 00:00:54,470 You start off with cute jokes about religion, 23 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,264 and you end up with atheistic trash 24 00:00:56,432 --> 00:00:58,683 like this December issue of the National Lampoon. 25 00:00:58,851 --> 00:01:01,769 It makes fun of saints and prayers and money and all that's sacred. 26 00:01:01,937 --> 00:01:04,522 This issue of the National Lampoon is foul and repulsive, 27 00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:07,608 and this is where your cute little jokes will lead you, son. 28 00:01:08,110 --> 00:01:09,569 Boy: Okay, Dad, I'm... I'm sorry. 29 00:01:09,737 --> 00:01:11,571 Man: That's all right, son, you're forgiven. 30 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:13,573 - Man: Oh, and son? - Boy: Yes, Dad. 31 00:01:13,824 --> 00:01:15,283 Man: You'll be sleeping with your mother tonight. 32 00:01:15,451 --> 00:01:16,993 It's my turn with your sister. 33 00:01:17,453 --> 00:01:19,996 ♪ (David Bowie "Jean Genie" plays) ♪ 34 00:01:47,483 --> 00:01:48,733 Billy Bob Thornton: I had this sense of humor 35 00:01:48,901 --> 00:01:52,153 that sort of didn't exist where I grew up. 36 00:01:52,613 --> 00:01:54,155 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 37 00:01:54,323 --> 00:01:56,365 After reading that first National Lampoon, 38 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:59,786 I went, "Wow, that's what I've been trying to say." 39 00:02:02,581 --> 00:02:04,707 National Lampoon just meant a lot to me as a kid 40 00:02:04,875 --> 00:02:06,584 because it was what I wanted to do. 41 00:02:06,752 --> 00:02:09,378 It woke me up to the idea that this was a job. 42 00:02:09,546 --> 00:02:12,381 Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 43 00:02:12,966 --> 00:02:15,468 Judd Apatow: And then you get all these generations afterwards 44 00:02:15,803 --> 00:02:19,138 of people like me who were just trying to be those guys. 45 00:02:21,016 --> 00:02:23,810 It was sharp, crystal clear, and above all funny. 46 00:02:25,103 --> 00:02:27,063 It just blew the whole shit house up. 47 00:02:27,272 --> 00:02:29,607 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 48 00:02:33,779 --> 00:02:39,283 The National Lampoon was defining part of the zeitgeist. 49 00:02:41,119 --> 00:02:45,414 Here was this totally outrageous voice 50 00:02:45,582 --> 00:02:49,919 that was screaming, "Here I come." 51 00:02:50,087 --> 00:02:53,297 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 52 00:02:55,509 --> 00:02:58,553 Breasts... I would try to seek out the magazine 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,264 on the off chance that there would be some breasts. 54 00:03:01,431 --> 00:03:05,351 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 55 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:08,896 Kevin Bacon: The humor was a little bit above my pay grade. 56 00:03:09,273 --> 00:03:11,148 (chuckling) 57 00:03:12,109 --> 00:03:14,777 Meatloaf: The Lampoons are very intellectual. 58 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:16,904 Tennessee Williams and Arthur Miller 59 00:03:17,072 --> 00:03:19,365 could have been part of National Lampoon. 60 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:22,577 We were taking on the idiocy 61 00:03:23,287 --> 00:03:25,162 of our own generation. 62 00:03:25,330 --> 00:03:27,498 You know, overthrowing the ageist, racist, sexist, 63 00:03:27,666 --> 00:03:30,251 corporate pig monster is a full-time job. 64 00:03:32,004 --> 00:03:34,088 They always had the best parties, 65 00:03:34,339 --> 00:03:37,341 the best drugs, the smartest people. 66 00:03:41,847 --> 00:03:43,014 We could sell out more, 67 00:03:43,891 --> 00:03:46,851 and the moment we do sell out totally, 68 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:49,353 we'll be dead. 69 00:03:49,521 --> 00:03:53,441 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 70 00:04:06,955 --> 00:04:08,748 There's a time in everyone's life, 71 00:04:09,541 --> 00:04:12,960 and it's really between 17 and 22, 72 00:04:13,128 --> 00:04:15,588 when you talk to people in their middle age, 73 00:04:15,756 --> 00:04:17,715 they always talk about their high school 74 00:04:17,883 --> 00:04:20,301 or their college experience as the, quote unquote, 75 00:04:20,469 --> 00:04:22,053 "Best years of their lives." 76 00:04:22,304 --> 00:04:23,804 And I'm thinking, "Well, why?" 77 00:04:23,972 --> 00:04:28,601 And ultimately it's because, when you're 17, 18, 78 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:32,772 you were expected to function as an adult, but you're a baby. 79 00:04:33,565 --> 00:04:34,982 Have you ever gone to a college campus? 80 00:04:35,108 --> 00:04:36,192 Those kids are babies. 81 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,902 But they're adults, 82 00:04:38,070 --> 00:04:41,489 so there's this wonderful freedom, sense of adventure. 83 00:04:41,865 --> 00:04:45,117 "We can do anything we want! We're college students!" 84 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:47,411 And that's really how the whole thing started. 85 00:04:47,579 --> 00:04:50,957 ♪ (piano plays) ♪ 86 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:54,335 ♪ Fight fiercely, Harvard fight, fight, fight ♪ 87 00:04:54,503 --> 00:04:57,213 ♪ Impress them with our prowess do ♪ 88 00:04:57,381 --> 00:04:58,464 Meatloaf: What was it originally, 89 00:04:58,632 --> 00:04:59,966 the Harvard Lampoon, right? 90 00:05:00,133 --> 00:05:01,634 Well, anybody that mentioned Harvard, 91 00:05:01,802 --> 00:05:03,803 I just went, "Fuck you." 92 00:05:04,179 --> 00:05:06,806 The Harvard Lampoon was one of those famous things 93 00:05:06,974 --> 00:05:08,391 that nobody has ever seen a copy of. 94 00:05:08,558 --> 00:05:09,934 ♪ Fight, fight, fight... ♪ 95 00:05:10,102 --> 00:05:11,227 Mike Reiss: The Harvard Lampoon is 96 00:05:11,395 --> 00:05:13,187 America's oldest humor magazine 97 00:05:13,355 --> 00:05:16,440 started at Harvard in 1876. 98 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:18,192 Man: John Updike was an editor, 99 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,361 and George Plimpton was an editor. 100 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:22,488 Well, that's about it, you know? 101 00:05:22,948 --> 00:05:25,825 Two famous writers in 125 years. 102 00:05:26,368 --> 00:05:29,245 And we also had Fred Gwynne, the guy who played Herman Munster. 103 00:05:29,538 --> 00:05:31,539 It goes off the table after that. 104 00:05:31,707 --> 00:05:35,042 ♪ Fight, fight, fight ♪ 105 00:05:35,502 --> 00:05:38,212 Harvard Lampoon was just this extracurricular activity 106 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:40,047 and was something you did before you went 107 00:05:40,215 --> 00:05:43,134 into the family law firm or became a banker. 108 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:50,850 Doug Kenney and Henry Beard were in the class after I left Harvard. 109 00:05:51,059 --> 00:05:52,977 They were both incredibly brilliant, 110 00:05:53,145 --> 00:05:56,939 and incredibly funny and incredibly good friends, 111 00:05:57,107 --> 00:05:58,733 but they weren't the same at all. 112 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:07,241 Doug Kenney was really the heart and soul of the Lampoon. 113 00:06:07,409 --> 00:06:10,661 Doug was the, sort of, the complete social opposite of Henry. 114 00:06:10,829 --> 00:06:13,122 For one thing, he did not come from an upper-crust family. 115 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:15,958 Doug's father was the tennis pro 116 00:06:16,126 --> 00:06:19,253 at a golf club in Chagrin Falls, Ohio. 117 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:21,672 Have you ever seen Caddyshack? That's Doug. 118 00:06:22,424 --> 00:06:23,883 - You take drugs, Danny? - Every day. 119 00:06:24,051 --> 00:06:25,176 Good. 120 00:06:25,552 --> 00:06:27,011 Tony Hendra: The very first time I met Doug, 121 00:06:27,179 --> 00:06:29,889 he was talking like William Makepeace Thackeray. 122 00:06:30,057 --> 00:06:33,392 I mean, he was actually improvising his prose, right? 123 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,352 And it was Thackeray, it wasn't Dickens. 124 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,689 And about 30, 45 seconds after that, 125 00:06:38,857 --> 00:06:41,817 he was demonstrating that he could put his entire fist in his mouth. 126 00:06:42,444 --> 00:06:44,070 So this was Doug, you know? 127 00:06:44,446 --> 00:06:46,655 Sean Kelly: Doug was a performer. 128 00:06:46,948 --> 00:06:48,407 Doug wanted to be a star. 129 00:06:48,575 --> 00:06:50,409 And he was a smart, funny, 130 00:06:50,577 --> 00:06:52,495 complicated person who could write. 131 00:06:52,662 --> 00:06:54,413 Now that's, uh, that's rare. 132 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:09,845 Bruce McCall: Henry was probably the smartest man I ever met. 133 00:07:10,013 --> 00:07:11,263 He could have been a nuclear physicist, 134 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:12,765 he could have been a Supreme Court judge, 135 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:13,933 he could have been anything. 136 00:07:14,184 --> 00:07:17,144 Kelly: I remember the first time Henry met my first wife. 137 00:07:17,312 --> 00:07:20,064 Afterwards she said, "I've met Holden Caulfield." 138 00:07:21,608 --> 00:07:23,067 Henry Beard: My father had graduated from Yale, 139 00:07:23,235 --> 00:07:25,486 and as a... a bit of youthful rebellion, 140 00:07:25,654 --> 00:07:26,987 I decided to go to Harvard. 141 00:07:27,781 --> 00:07:31,033 Henry is about as private a person as you'll ever find. 142 00:07:31,201 --> 00:07:34,245 He was mysterious and elusive. 143 00:07:34,579 --> 00:07:38,165 The two of them together were an absolutely amazing team. 144 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:40,835 When I was at Harvard, we got a call one day 145 00:07:41,002 --> 00:07:42,503 from Betsy Talbot Blackwell, 146 00:07:42,671 --> 00:07:45,714 who was the editor-in-chief of Mademoiselle magazine. 147 00:07:48,009 --> 00:07:50,344 She had seen a parody issue 148 00:07:50,512 --> 00:07:52,179 that the Harvard Lampoon had put out, 149 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:54,223 and Betsy said, "You know, maybe I should 150 00:07:54,391 --> 00:07:56,642 ask these guys to do a parody of us, 151 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:59,061 and we'll publish it in our own magazine." 152 00:07:59,479 --> 00:08:03,691 She offered us $7,000 which seemed like nothing even then, 153 00:08:03,859 --> 00:08:07,611 but what she also offered was a free subscription ad. 154 00:08:09,781 --> 00:08:12,908 We could do anything we wanted as long as we put the clothes in 155 00:08:13,243 --> 00:08:15,369 and as long as we showed the models, 156 00:08:15,537 --> 00:08:18,122 which, of course, led to a lot of good times. 157 00:08:19,583 --> 00:08:21,584 And as a result of that parody issue, 158 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:24,545 we got tens of thousands of subscriptions right away. 159 00:08:24,963 --> 00:08:26,297 She gave us a national audience. 160 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:30,259 The discovery is that, rather than having 161 00:08:30,427 --> 00:08:34,346 to depend on Mademoiselle to make our magazines go national... 162 00:08:36,808 --> 00:08:40,519 ...the Harvard Lampoon could actually publish national magazines itself. 163 00:08:40,687 --> 00:08:43,647 They did Time magazine, and they did Sports Illustrated 164 00:08:43,815 --> 00:08:45,441 and they did Life magazine. 165 00:08:45,609 --> 00:08:48,903 Beard: Doug Kenney and I decided to do a parody of Lord of the Rings. 166 00:08:49,738 --> 00:08:51,697 We sent a letter to Tolkien, who, honest to God, 167 00:08:51,865 --> 00:08:54,533 sent a letter back saying, "Yeah go right ahead, silly book." 168 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:57,286 I like the Playboy parody that they did 169 00:08:57,370 --> 00:09:02,124 where the centerfold girl was more tan around her bottom and top. 170 00:09:02,834 --> 00:09:04,418 She had reversed tan lines. 171 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:08,047 Playboy was a big hit nationally, 172 00:09:08,215 --> 00:09:10,758 and Doug and Henry realized that maybe there was some way 173 00:09:10,926 --> 00:09:13,427 that the National Lampoon could exist. 174 00:09:16,264 --> 00:09:18,599 Radio Announcer: Uh-uh-uh, don't touch that dial. 175 00:09:18,767 --> 00:09:20,935 The National Lampoon will be right back 176 00:09:21,102 --> 00:09:23,229 after this insincere commercial message 177 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:25,189 written by some cynical Nazis, 178 00:09:25,357 --> 00:09:28,025 solely for the purpose of ripping off your parents' money. 179 00:09:29,361 --> 00:09:31,487 I think if you take yourself back to when you were 180 00:09:31,655 --> 00:09:35,199 in your 20s, all possibilities appear open to anybody. 181 00:09:35,367 --> 00:09:38,077 You know, you could go after anything at any time. 182 00:09:39,871 --> 00:09:42,748 P.J. O'Rourke: Doug and Henry had gone to New York 183 00:09:42,916 --> 00:09:45,793 in hopes of doing a 50l50 deal with some publishing group 184 00:09:45,961 --> 00:09:47,795 who would put up the money. 185 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:51,173 See, we met with some guys from Time and Life. 186 00:09:51,341 --> 00:09:53,634 I can't tell you how off-putting they were. 187 00:09:53,802 --> 00:09:56,178 Just saying, "Oh, you guys, you don't understand anything. 188 00:09:56,346 --> 00:09:58,305 You don't have a chance. You're toast. 189 00:09:58,473 --> 00:09:59,640 You're just not going anywhere." 190 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:02,851 Doug Kenney was not very happy about that 191 00:10:03,019 --> 00:10:05,187 and said, "You people are the kind of people 192 00:10:05,355 --> 00:10:07,606 who commute back and forth from Westport, Connecticut, 193 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:08,857 in a station wagon. 194 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:11,026 We have nothing to do with you." 195 00:10:11,194 --> 00:10:13,654 I thought, "Holy God", but he was right! 196 00:10:14,364 --> 00:10:16,782 And that's how we ran into 21st Century Communications 197 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:18,200 and Matty Simmons. 198 00:10:18,368 --> 00:10:20,869 Matty Simmons: Doug Kenney, Henry Beard, and Rob Hoffman, 199 00:10:21,037 --> 00:10:23,080 three Harvard Lampoon editors, 200 00:10:23,248 --> 00:10:26,667 came into my office, and I was immediately impressed. 201 00:10:30,213 --> 00:10:32,715 Matty belonged to another generation. 202 00:10:32,882 --> 00:10:35,801 Very much New York, very much old-school publishing. 203 00:10:35,969 --> 00:10:37,094 Ellis Weiner: This guy invented 204 00:10:37,262 --> 00:10:39,388 the Diners' Club card, which was the first credit card. 205 00:10:39,556 --> 00:10:41,432 Janis Hirsch: I think he wished he was in the Rat Pack. 206 00:10:41,599 --> 00:10:43,434 He, sort of, always had those bedroom eyes. 207 00:10:43,601 --> 00:10:45,269 You'd be talking to him about something serious, 208 00:10:45,437 --> 00:10:46,562 and he'd take a phone call and say, 209 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:49,481 "Oh, yeah, darling, baby, I love you so much, I love you. 210 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:51,734 Yeah, broccoli for dinner's fine. Yeah, thank you, good-bye." 211 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:55,863 Beard: He was very full of himself, knew the business inside out. 212 00:10:56,031 --> 00:10:58,490 Distribution in those days was, you know, 213 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,034 there were some criminal elements. 214 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:02,494 Matty wasn't one of them, but he had to deal with people like that. 215 00:11:05,623 --> 00:11:07,791 O'Rourke: Magazines in the late '60s 216 00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:11,003 were thought to take about five years before they got into the black. 217 00:11:11,171 --> 00:11:14,465 Rob intuited that this would either work or it wouldn't. 218 00:11:14,632 --> 00:11:17,301 So he made a bet when he negotiated the deal. 219 00:11:17,469 --> 00:11:19,386 He did a forced buyout after five years. 220 00:11:19,554 --> 00:11:21,347 It was, kind of, a gutsy move. 221 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:24,099 Simmons: They owned 25%, I owned 75%. 222 00:11:24,267 --> 00:11:26,685 And part of the deal was, after five years, 223 00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:28,270 I would buy them out. 224 00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:29,938 If this magazine is successful, 225 00:11:30,106 --> 00:11:33,734 I might owe these guys five, six million dollars, 226 00:11:33,902 --> 00:11:35,069 but I made the deal. 227 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:38,405 And we started National Lampoon. 228 00:11:43,495 --> 00:11:45,371 Their first hire was Michael O'Donoghue, 229 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:47,498 and Michael O'Donoghue was not Harvard, 230 00:11:47,665 --> 00:11:49,458 Michael O'Donoghue was Buffalo. 231 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,710 ♪ (T. Rex "Children of the Revolution" plays) ♪ 232 00:11:57,258 --> 00:11:58,926 Boy, was he an angry bunny. 233 00:12:00,929 --> 00:12:05,265 He probably as much as anyone gave the Lampoon its tone. 234 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,976 We're doing this in place of hitting you in the face. 235 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:11,438 He had this recipe box, you know the ones that ladies have 236 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:13,065 with the recipes in them? 237 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:15,192 "Oh, baked beans..." 238 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:20,781 But his recipe box was full of things like battling buses of World War II. 239 00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:22,491 He just had hundreds of these things. 240 00:12:23,701 --> 00:12:24,993 Chris Cerf: He would take any chance. 241 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:28,080 Even though we were perfectly happy to do tasteful things, 242 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:30,290 he pushed the bounds even further. 243 00:12:30,458 --> 00:12:32,042 Doug did the dirty stuff, Henry did the brainy stuff, 244 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:33,752 and O'Donoghue did the outrageous stuff, 245 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,212 the really transgressive stuff. 246 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:52,729 Tony Hendra was a British comic 247 00:12:52,897 --> 00:12:55,190 as part of a comedy team called Ullett and Hendra. 248 00:12:55,358 --> 00:12:58,444 He and his partner Nick Ullett used to be on The Merv Griffin Show. 249 00:12:58,611 --> 00:13:01,864 When you hear the buzz, it will be the correct time. 250 00:13:02,365 --> 00:13:03,991 (buzzes) 251 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:05,742 It is now the correct time. 252 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:07,035 (audience laughing) 253 00:13:07,203 --> 00:13:09,371 Tony Hendra: Writing for television was like firing on one cylinder. 254 00:13:09,539 --> 00:13:13,959 Working at the Lampoon was like firing on all six cylinders. 255 00:13:14,127 --> 00:13:16,336 It was like you could talk about anything you wanted. 256 00:13:16,504 --> 00:13:18,672 There was absolutely nothing that was, 257 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,300 "You can't say that, Tony" or "That's not funny, Tony." 258 00:13:21,468 --> 00:13:24,136 He had this extraordinarily educated-at-Cambridge accent 259 00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:26,013 and was very literate and worldly 260 00:13:26,181 --> 00:13:29,933 and yet behaved like a delinquent of 12 or 13. 261 00:13:41,029 --> 00:13:43,113 I was a humble Canadian schoolteacher. 262 00:13:43,281 --> 00:13:46,158 One day, my upstairs neighbor, Michel Choquette, 263 00:13:46,326 --> 00:13:49,369 came home and told me he was interested in starting to write 264 00:13:49,537 --> 00:13:51,538 for this National Lampoon magazine 265 00:13:51,706 --> 00:13:53,207 that was being started in New York. 266 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:55,709 I thought, well, maybe I can come down to New York 267 00:13:55,877 --> 00:13:57,252 and become rich and famous 268 00:13:57,420 --> 00:14:00,130 and get tremendous amounts of drugs and sex and things. 269 00:14:00,924 --> 00:14:02,424 None of which panned out. 270 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:13,143 Sean Kelly actually fixed me up 271 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:15,145 on a blind date with Michel Choquette. 272 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,815 And then Michel started taking me to New York with him 273 00:14:18,983 --> 00:14:22,069 because I was, quote unquote, "Helping him with his work." 274 00:14:23,446 --> 00:14:25,197 I got into comedy the same way 275 00:14:25,365 --> 00:14:27,699 that Catherine the Great got into politics 276 00:14:28,201 --> 00:14:29,284 on my back. 277 00:14:39,546 --> 00:14:43,048 I was working in a saloon on the West Side. 278 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:45,217 One night, somebody came over to me. 279 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:47,719 "There's a fellow back there stealing the ketchup." 280 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:48,929 And I go after him, and I said, 281 00:14:49,097 --> 00:14:50,472 "Excuse me, I know what you're doing." 282 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,683 And then I realize I'm standing here accusing somebody 283 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:56,103 of stealing ketchup from a red rubber bottle. 284 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:57,896 So this is so sad. 285 00:14:58,398 --> 00:15:00,691 Very shortly thereafter, Henry offered me a job, 286 00:15:00,858 --> 00:15:02,150 and I gleefully took it. 287 00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:06,572 Doug and Henry had this idea about bringing in 288 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:10,659 this very hippyish art studio called Cloud. 289 00:15:17,292 --> 00:15:20,294 Cloud Studios was an independent design firm. 290 00:15:21,087 --> 00:15:23,380 That's a generous term to use for those guys. 291 00:15:23,548 --> 00:15:25,215 Bill Skurski: We were, quote unquote, "hippie artists" 292 00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:26,717 because we weren't out to be millionaires. 293 00:15:26,884 --> 00:15:28,677 We were out to do the things we liked to do. 294 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:30,429 You know, we were turned on, 295 00:15:30,597 --> 00:15:32,973 and I don't mean by drugs, I mean by the ideas. 296 00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:38,478 Doug liked to hang with people like Cloud Studio artists. 297 00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:40,522 He like the fact that they were kind of freaky 298 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:43,150 and wore costumes and had beards. 299 00:15:43,568 --> 00:15:45,360 Michael Sullivan: Doug would come to parties that we had, 300 00:15:45,528 --> 00:15:48,614 and when Doug wasn't in the office working, 301 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,741 he was probably high as a kite. 302 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:53,368 Kelly: Doug wanted to be a beat or a hippie. 303 00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:56,079 Doug wanted to be trendy and with it. 304 00:15:56,456 --> 00:16:00,167 I remember Doug asking, "Should I... Should I be for the Black Panthers?" 305 00:16:00,752 --> 00:16:01,877 And he wasn't kidding. 306 00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:10,927 I saw the first issue, um, which was terrible. 307 00:16:14,182 --> 00:16:15,390 Sam Gross: They had this duck. 308 00:16:15,558 --> 00:16:19,686 And they were gonna keep the duck as a logo on the cover 309 00:16:19,854 --> 00:16:21,813 like the Playboy bunny. 310 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,816 I said to Henry, "Get rid of the duck." 311 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:26,818 That's not the Playboy bunny where, you know, 312 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:30,781 you can put it on a garter, make it a pasty or whatever. 313 00:16:31,157 --> 00:16:34,201 Everything they did was, it had to be funny-looking, 314 00:16:34,369 --> 00:16:37,245 which means it was all sort of squirrely and hippie-like. 315 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:44,336 The issues were messy, they were confusing. 316 00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:46,171 It wasn't bringing in the readers, 317 00:16:46,339 --> 00:16:48,215 and they weren't getting the sales on the newsstand. 318 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:51,343 I told them, "We've gotta replace your art director." 319 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,181 Doug was very upset, he wanted to keep Cloud, 320 00:16:56,349 --> 00:17:00,227 and he argued with me, but it was my call, I was the boss. 321 00:17:01,145 --> 00:17:04,481 After we did the first seven issues, I got a call from Doug Kenney. 322 00:17:04,649 --> 00:17:07,567 He said, "I'm sorry, but you're no longer the art director." 323 00:17:07,735 --> 00:17:10,195 Great, knock yourself out. 324 00:17:22,583 --> 00:17:25,252 When I brought Michael Gross in, Doug was kinda hostile. 325 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:27,671 My first issue when I walked in the door 326 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:32,884 was the nostalgia issue, which was Doug Kenney's baby. 327 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:44,938 I knew when I was hired, I was hired against Doug's will. 328 00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:47,274 In the sales pitch that I made, 329 00:17:47,442 --> 00:17:51,778 I referred to an article they'd done about postage stamps. 330 00:17:51,946 --> 00:17:57,159 I said, "For these stamps to work, they should look like real stamps." 331 00:18:00,371 --> 00:18:02,664 You should be fooled when you look at them. 332 00:18:02,832 --> 00:18:06,334 Therefore the parody is empowered. 333 00:18:06,502 --> 00:18:10,922 And in that little example, he transformed the magazine. 334 00:18:13,593 --> 00:18:16,303 After that, Doug came into my office and said, 335 00:18:16,471 --> 00:18:18,054 "You were right about this guy." 336 00:18:18,765 --> 00:18:21,808 As soon as Michael came aboard, the Lampoon began to look great. 337 00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:25,061 ♪ (King Floyd's "Groove Me" plays) ♪ 338 00:18:39,535 --> 00:18:41,953 Cerf: And what the Lampoon began to be able to do 339 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:45,040 was to create anything in any format, 340 00:18:45,208 --> 00:18:47,417 so that it looked like the original. 341 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,556 Michael O'Donoghue: You know, Ed Sullivan, we kid him a lot, 342 00:19:01,724 --> 00:19:04,142 but Ed Sullivan is one of the greats of this business, 343 00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:06,228 and I had a funny thought. 344 00:19:06,604 --> 00:19:12,025 What if Ed Sullivan were tortured, and when I say tortured, 345 00:19:12,193 --> 00:19:14,945 what I mean is, what if steel needles, 346 00:19:15,112 --> 00:19:18,448 say six inches long, were plunged into Ed's eyes? 347 00:19:18,616 --> 00:19:21,243 I... I think it would go something like this... 348 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:25,831 (continuous screaming) 349 00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:34,130 You could walk into the Lampoon editorial office 350 00:19:34,298 --> 00:19:35,882 and get high just walking in. 351 00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:38,718 But as long as it stayed in the editorial office, 352 00:19:38,886 --> 00:19:41,096 and as long as they were doing the terrific work 353 00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:43,974 they were doing, I didn't tell them what to do. 354 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:48,353 In the course of a given day, it was understood 355 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:52,607 that the day didn't end when the office day ended. 356 00:19:52,775 --> 00:19:55,151 Beatts: They would have these dinner meetings in, like, 357 00:19:55,319 --> 00:19:57,153 some of the worst restaurants in New York. 358 00:19:57,321 --> 00:19:59,531 Brian McConnachie: There was a saloon called The Green Man. 359 00:19:59,699 --> 00:20:04,035 It was hot, it smelled of cat stink. 360 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:07,247 And they would sit around a table and drink tons and tons of beer. 361 00:20:07,415 --> 00:20:09,416 This would be paid for by Henry or Doug. 362 00:20:09,584 --> 00:20:11,835 They would whip out their company American Express card 363 00:20:12,003 --> 00:20:13,253 and pay for dinner. 364 00:20:13,421 --> 00:20:15,422 That's when we made up the next issue. 365 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:19,926 You had to either get Doug or Henry to react positively to your idea. 366 00:20:20,511 --> 00:20:22,137 Ed Subitzky: The ideas would come out very rapid fire. 367 00:20:22,305 --> 00:20:23,388 "How did he think of that?" And then... 368 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:24,806 "How did he think of that?" 369 00:20:25,016 --> 00:20:26,391 "How did he think of that?" 370 00:20:29,103 --> 00:20:30,979 We all do it the same way, you get drunk, 371 00:20:31,397 --> 00:20:33,648 you go home, you get up in the morning, 372 00:20:33,816 --> 00:20:35,025 and you write the piece. 373 00:20:35,318 --> 00:20:37,736 Gross: Doug was who you went to really see 374 00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:41,197 if you had some wild and wacky brilliant but funny idea. 375 00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:44,159 Doug would go, "I gotcha, you're in." 376 00:20:44,327 --> 00:20:45,577 Beard: I mean, he was a workaholic. 377 00:20:45,745 --> 00:20:47,746 I mean, he was unbelievably productive. 378 00:20:47,914 --> 00:20:50,582 Like, he wrote the Letters column every month. 379 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:53,168 I mean, that's like 2200 very funny words of letters 380 00:20:53,336 --> 00:20:54,836 in, like, an hour and a half. 381 00:20:55,004 --> 00:20:57,213 I mean, every single time there was something 382 00:20:57,381 --> 00:21:00,175 that had to be done, he really was focused on it. 383 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,427 Shary Flenniken: Doug was valuable in that sense. 384 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:05,263 Because he would stimulate your ideas. 385 00:21:05,431 --> 00:21:08,224 So I don't think that there really was anyone else 386 00:21:08,351 --> 00:21:10,769 who could inspire other people like Doug. 387 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:13,063 People would come to Henry with ideas, 388 00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:14,689 and Henry would say, 389 00:21:15,191 --> 00:21:16,691 "Tempting, tempting." 390 00:21:16,859 --> 00:21:20,445 Whatever idea you pitched him, he would say, "Tempting, tempting." 391 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,656 "Tempting" meant that 392 00:21:22,782 --> 00:21:25,033 that is so awful, it really blows chunks. 393 00:21:25,409 --> 00:21:28,745 Or, I'm about to have an intellectual orgasm, it's so good. 394 00:21:29,497 --> 00:21:31,623 Subitzky: Somehow Henry Beard would take this ragtag 395 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,417 bunch of material and different types of personalities 396 00:21:34,585 --> 00:21:36,336 and brilliantly merge it together 397 00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:38,964 to make a magazine that was surprisingly coherent. 398 00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:41,341 ♪ (Dave Mason "Only You Know & I Know" plays) ♪ 399 00:21:53,062 --> 00:21:56,564 Beard: It was like we had an attic full of culture 400 00:21:57,233 --> 00:22:01,778 that had been accumulating from 1945 to 1970. 401 00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:05,657 And we opened the trap door, and nobody had been up there, 402 00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:08,410 and we just basically looted it. 403 00:22:10,538 --> 00:22:12,789 Kelly: Michael O'Donoghue's Vietnamese Baby Book 404 00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:15,667 was an extraordinary piece of satire. 405 00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:19,546 It was a baby book, but it was designed to be for a Vietnamese baby, 406 00:22:19,714 --> 00:22:22,757 and so it had things in it like "Baby's First Wound." 407 00:22:24,510 --> 00:22:26,052 (laughing) 408 00:22:29,098 --> 00:22:31,349 Simmons: It was incredibly dark, 409 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,061 extremely political, and it was funny. 410 00:22:36,981 --> 00:22:39,190 Michel Choquette came to me with an idea. 411 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:42,652 He had run into a guy who looked just like Adolf Hitler. 412 00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:46,364 Flenniken: The piece was called Stranger in Paradise 413 00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:50,910 which was about Adolf Hitler really survived World War Two 414 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,165 and was living on a tropical island somewhere in the Caribbean. 415 00:22:56,584 --> 00:22:59,002 Simmons: I gave him a budget, and ten days later 416 00:22:59,128 --> 00:23:00,628 I got a telegram, it said, 417 00:23:00,838 --> 00:23:04,007 "Hitler eating too much, need more money." 418 00:23:04,175 --> 00:23:08,094 I said, "Stop feeding Hitler and return to New York immediately." 419 00:23:08,262 --> 00:23:09,679 And it was a brilliant article, 420 00:23:09,847 --> 00:23:13,016 which we resold to almost every foreign country. 421 00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:18,813 Doug Kenney came up with the photo funnies concept. 422 00:23:18,981 --> 00:23:23,735 Doug insisted that they be us and some girls we brought in. 423 00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:26,738 I was so opposed. "Guys, we're a real magazine. 424 00:23:26,906 --> 00:23:29,491 We don't need to take Polaroid's in a fuckin' office." 425 00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:33,495 I was so wrong, because what Doug recognized 426 00:23:33,662 --> 00:23:37,082 is the audience identified with us. 427 00:23:37,875 --> 00:23:40,460 They went, "These are, like, a bunch of jerk-offs like me." 428 00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:42,712 Like, "You and me, Bernie, look!" 429 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:46,007 That's Doug Kenney's genius. 430 00:23:47,134 --> 00:23:50,386 They did probably one of the greatest magazine covers ever done. 431 00:23:50,554 --> 00:23:53,306 Beard: Ed Bluestone came to the office, and he said, 432 00:23:53,474 --> 00:23:54,974 "You're gonna get a dog, 433 00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:56,684 gonna put a pistol to its head, and you're gonna say 434 00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:58,937 'If you don't buy this magazine, we'll kill this dog.'" 435 00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:01,022 I said, "Ed, that's the most brilliant thing I've ever heard." 436 00:24:01,899 --> 00:24:04,192 Gross: It was a huge, huge hit 437 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:08,696 because it's what every magazine publisher wanted to do. 438 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,282 All they want to say is, "Buy the fucking magazine!" 439 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:22,043 We realized that artists, well-known established artists, 440 00:24:22,211 --> 00:24:25,588 people like Arnold Roth, the great cartoonist Gahan Wilson, 441 00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:28,299 Sam Gross. 442 00:24:32,054 --> 00:24:34,180 Charlotte Rodriguez is just a wonderful illustrator. 443 00:24:34,348 --> 00:24:35,640 Neal Adams. 444 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:40,103 They all had to have drawers full of wonderful stuff 445 00:24:40,271 --> 00:24:43,690 that had been rejected by more traditional publications 446 00:24:43,858 --> 00:24:45,567 that weren't rejected because they weren't funny or good, 447 00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:47,318 they were rejected because they were a little too raunchy, 448 00:24:47,486 --> 00:24:49,320 so we knew we were that outlet. 449 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:51,406 It didn't matter how strange your work was. 450 00:24:51,574 --> 00:24:54,659 It didn't matter if your work was anti-republican, 451 00:24:54,869 --> 00:24:56,744 anti-democrat, anti-the-universe, 452 00:24:56,912 --> 00:24:58,872 whatever it was, you could bring it into them, 453 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:00,748 and they would not touch it. 454 00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:02,625 And that's one great thing about the Lampoon. 455 00:25:02,793 --> 00:25:04,627 Never before and never since had that kind of freedom. 456 00:25:04,795 --> 00:25:06,421 Gross: If you were smart and funny, 457 00:25:06,589 --> 00:25:10,216 you walked into Henry Beard's office or Doug Kenney's office, 458 00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:12,343 "Hello, can I come show you some stuff?" 459 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:14,888 He goes like this, he goes, "Brilliant, thank you, you're hired. 460 00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:17,724 We don't pay much, but we're not gonna edit you. 461 00:25:17,892 --> 00:25:19,267 We're not going to change you. 462 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:21,853 We're gonna let you be what you want to be." 463 00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:29,569 We had one problem. 464 00:25:30,196 --> 00:25:31,654 It was losing a lot of money. 465 00:25:33,157 --> 00:25:34,657 Because we couldn't get advertising. 466 00:25:37,411 --> 00:25:39,412 Jerry Taylor: They sold little, teeny mail order ads. 467 00:25:43,792 --> 00:25:48,713 They needed a pro to come in, make it bigger, more legitimate. 468 00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:52,884 Danny Abelson: Jerry Taylor was an extraordinarily successful 469 00:25:53,052 --> 00:25:54,928 and, sort of, charismatic ad guy. 470 00:25:55,346 --> 00:25:57,430 Bill Lippe: We had a difficult time getting appointments 471 00:25:57,598 --> 00:25:59,349 with advertising prospects. 472 00:25:59,642 --> 00:26:02,435 Taylor: It was always hard to be taken seriously, 473 00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:04,979 so I had a dress code. 474 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,483 Three piece suit, white shirt, vest, tie. 475 00:26:08,651 --> 00:26:11,110 We walked in looking exactly like the guys from Time Inc. 476 00:26:12,112 --> 00:26:15,823 But still nothing, zero, nothing mattered. 477 00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:21,329 It was almost like they would vomit up this hostility on the desk. 478 00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:24,290 And I would say, "Okay, that's cool. 479 00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:25,750 You don't have to buy a subscription, 480 00:26:25,918 --> 00:26:28,670 but now let me tell you why I think our audience 481 00:26:28,837 --> 00:26:31,547 is a great target for your product." 482 00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:36,386 Our readership drank more than the average adult. 483 00:26:36,553 --> 00:26:39,138 And the first liquor advertisement that we had 484 00:26:39,306 --> 00:26:40,723 at the magazine was Jose Cuervo, 485 00:26:40,891 --> 00:26:42,725 and it made other people, "Oh, wow, 486 00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:44,894 they got a liquor advertisement in the Lampoon." 487 00:26:45,062 --> 00:26:46,729 And then the snowball started. 488 00:26:46,981 --> 00:26:49,274 ♪ (King Floyd's "Groove Me" plays) ♪ 489 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:03,371 Taylor: I had a slogan, "National Lampoon. 490 00:27:03,747 --> 00:27:06,332 There's nothing funny about the way it sells." 491 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:19,012 Tell me about National Lampoon. Why do you think it's so popular? 492 00:27:19,179 --> 00:27:21,014 Well, I think they're very witty. 493 00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:24,017 Yes, they're very witty, but they are designed 494 00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:26,477 to please and flatter 495 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:31,065 a particular audience of fairly well-to-do nobodies 496 00:27:31,275 --> 00:27:33,151 who can afford to be nobodies. 497 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:38,489 ♪ (Pacific Gas & Electric "Are You Ready?" plays) ♪ 498 00:27:49,376 --> 00:27:52,128 I honestly think that the National Lampoon 499 00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:54,672 is the most entertaining magazine I have ever read. 500 00:27:54,757 --> 00:27:56,758 It's often the only magazine that a lot of 501 00:27:56,925 --> 00:28:00,219 younger, hip people today, uh, read. 502 00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:04,057 And why that is, is I think they trust us. 503 00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:06,434 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 504 00:28:06,602 --> 00:28:08,227 It looks really good, it's funny to look at. 505 00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:11,105 It's weird to look at. And if you read the printed stuff, 506 00:28:11,273 --> 00:28:12,774 if you look at things that aren't the pictures, 507 00:28:12,941 --> 00:28:14,650 occasionally you find something really good 508 00:28:14,818 --> 00:28:17,195 which you don't find anywhere else in the written humor form. 509 00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,364 There was a lot of bad stuff going on. 510 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:22,325 Christopher Buckley: We'd just come out of the sixties. 511 00:28:22,493 --> 00:28:25,495 We had the assassinations, Vietnam, now we had Watergate. 512 00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:32,377 So it was a perfect storm moment of brilliant comic sensibilities 513 00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:35,671 hitting the culture in a crisis point. 514 00:28:37,257 --> 00:28:39,884 Thornton: It was actually the first time that I realized 515 00:28:40,052 --> 00:28:42,678 that, through humor, you can tell the truth. 516 00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,520 Apatow: In a mass media way, 517 00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:52,688 this kind of comedy didn't exist before then. 518 00:28:52,856 --> 00:28:54,357 People weren't that frank 519 00:28:54,525 --> 00:28:58,069 and didn't attack the establishment comedically. 520 00:28:58,237 --> 00:28:59,570 Beard: We're basically a humor magazine, 521 00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,280 and we publish things we consider to be funny. 522 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:03,491 It's just impossible to put out this kind of a publication 523 00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:08,287 and be, uh, completely unwilling to do something offensive. 524 00:29:08,455 --> 00:29:09,914 I think it's sometimes conscious 525 00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:12,542 and sometimes just instinctive that we push things 526 00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:14,627 as far as they possibly can be pushed. 527 00:29:14,795 --> 00:29:15,920 I've always had a bad attitude. 528 00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:17,088 Interviewer: Always? 529 00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:19,424 I'm earning a living off a bad attitude right now. 530 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:20,925 Teachers always said it would get me in trouble, 531 00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:22,385 but it's great, it's working for me. 532 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:28,558 In those days, magazines were a bigger deal. 533 00:29:29,977 --> 00:29:34,439 People very much defined themselves by the magazines they read. 534 00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:39,485 Simmons: It was the most popular magazine 535 00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:41,404 on college campuses in America 536 00:29:41,572 --> 00:29:44,073 and was the second most popular magazine 537 00:29:44,241 --> 00:29:47,869 on newsstands in America, second only to Cosmopolitan. 538 00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:53,207 The biggest circulation we ever had was a million. 539 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:57,170 We had a pass along of maybe 12 or 15. 540 00:29:57,588 --> 00:30:01,924 So we probably had 12 million readers. 541 00:30:02,092 --> 00:30:03,801 I mean, it was huge. 542 00:30:03,969 --> 00:30:05,928 It's our unerring charm that makes our readers 543 00:30:06,096 --> 00:30:07,555 swallow it month after month. 544 00:30:07,723 --> 00:30:09,891 And frankly, that's what it's all about, isn't it? 545 00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:13,728 Suddenly Doug Kenney disappeared. 546 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,609 When Doug left or disappeared, 547 00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:22,695 it was... It was a crisis. 548 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:24,864 One Sunday morning I came downstairs, 549 00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:26,741 and there was a note in the kitchen, and it said, 550 00:30:26,909 --> 00:30:28,784 "Henry, I'm gonzo. 551 00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:30,995 I'm out of here, I'm gone, I'm finished, I'm done." 552 00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:32,622 And he was gone. 553 00:30:40,172 --> 00:30:43,591 Radio Announcer: And now the final question, for $25,000. 554 00:30:43,717 --> 00:30:45,760 Name four famous Mickeys. 555 00:30:47,304 --> 00:30:49,889 Man: Uh, Mickey Mouse. 556 00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:51,724 Radio Announcer: That's number one. 557 00:30:51,892 --> 00:30:53,142 Man: Mickey, Mickey Mantle. 558 00:30:53,602 --> 00:30:54,852 Radio Announcer: Number two. 559 00:30:55,771 --> 00:30:58,689 Man: Uh, Mickey Rooney. 560 00:30:58,774 --> 00:30:59,899 Radio Announcer: That's number three. 561 00:31:00,025 --> 00:31:02,360 Only one more, and you win $25,000. 562 00:31:04,029 --> 00:31:05,196 Man: Mickey Way. 563 00:31:06,740 --> 00:31:07,907 Radio Announcer: Mickey Way? 564 00:31:08,825 --> 00:31:10,326 Man: The candy bar, they'll take that, won't they? 565 00:31:10,494 --> 00:31:12,662 - The judges will take that? - (buzzer sounding) 566 00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:16,916 Because I had had a previous career as half of a comedy team, 567 00:31:17,084 --> 00:31:20,545 I had experience in how to write and put together an album. 568 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:24,298 And I was paired with O'Donoghue, who wanted to do this album, 569 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:26,717 so that's how Radio Dinner came to be. 570 00:31:27,511 --> 00:31:30,596 Kelly: But the album itself was very much Michael O'Donoghue. 571 00:31:30,973 --> 00:31:33,599 So Michael would say, "TV dinner? What about radio dinner?" 572 00:31:33,767 --> 00:31:36,310 And then he'd go, "Yes," and he'd write down Radio Dinner. 573 00:31:36,478 --> 00:31:38,187 And a year later when someone said, 574 00:31:38,355 --> 00:31:39,855 "Let's do an album," he'd go... 575 00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:42,233 "Let's call it Radio Dinner." 576 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:45,736 Cerf: Still one of my favorites was a parody song 577 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:47,863 that Michael O'Donoghue and I wrote 578 00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:49,907 and that Tony Hendra ended up performing, 579 00:31:50,075 --> 00:31:51,534 brilliantly, I might add. 580 00:31:51,785 --> 00:31:53,411 ♪ I resent performing for you fuckers ♪ 581 00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:54,870 ♪ Tell me, what do you know? ♪ 582 00:31:55,038 --> 00:31:56,664 ♪ A lot of faggot middle class kids ♪ 583 00:31:56,832 --> 00:31:58,416 ♪ Wearing long hair and trendy clothes ♪ 584 00:31:58,584 --> 00:32:00,126 ♪ I don't owe you fuckers anything ♪ 585 00:32:00,294 --> 00:32:02,712 ♪ And all I've got to say is fuck you... ♪ 586 00:32:02,879 --> 00:32:04,213 Cerf: It was right after John Lennon 587 00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:06,507 had an interview in Rolling Stone, 588 00:32:06,675 --> 00:32:10,553 and we had the idea that if you just put in an occasional rhyme... 589 00:32:10,721 --> 00:32:13,639 ♪ The sky is blue... ♪ 590 00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:16,267 You could set the whole interview to music. 591 00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:18,060 ♪ George said she gave off evil vibes ♪ 592 00:32:18,228 --> 00:32:20,313 ♪ I should have beat the fucking shit right out of him ♪ 593 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,525 ♪ Him with his fucking Hare Krishna ♪ 594 00:32:26,862 --> 00:32:28,696 Hendra: The album was actually a great success. 595 00:32:28,864 --> 00:32:30,323 It got a tremendous amount of airplay. 596 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:31,991 It was also nominated for a Grammy, 597 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:33,242 which was pretty good, first time out. 598 00:32:33,744 --> 00:32:37,121 It showed that we could more than simply put out a magazine. 599 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,876 The truth is, Doug carried the magazine. 600 00:32:42,044 --> 00:32:45,588 If I wrote a hundred words, he wrote a thousand, every month. 601 00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:48,257 People hadn't really expected that he would disappear, 602 00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:50,718 but Doug was not a stable person. 603 00:32:51,011 --> 00:32:52,261 Beard: He had an older brother 604 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:54,055 who was the preferred son, the favorite son, 605 00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:56,974 and his older brother died at an early age, 606 00:32:57,142 --> 00:32:58,851 and it was a great loss to his parents, 607 00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:01,479 and his parents, kind of, treated Doug as the... 608 00:33:01,647 --> 00:33:03,981 As the "Well, I guess that's all we've got left." 609 00:33:04,358 --> 00:33:07,151 It probably did have some emotional impact on him. 610 00:33:07,444 --> 00:33:09,904 Gross: And basically what happened is he had a nervous breakdown. 611 00:33:10,072 --> 00:33:12,281 And he just couldn't take it anymore. 612 00:33:12,574 --> 00:33:13,949 John Weidman: He needed a break. 613 00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:16,911 He was having sort of a mid-life crisis 614 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:18,454 at the age of 24, whatever. 615 00:33:18,580 --> 00:33:20,081 He was trying to figure himself out, 616 00:33:20,290 --> 00:33:23,000 and he picked up and moved to Martha's Vineyard. 617 00:33:24,086 --> 00:33:26,420 I think he wanted to try something else before 30. 618 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:28,255 He's got to do something new. 619 00:33:28,423 --> 00:33:31,258 Hendra: He wanted to write Teenage Commies from Outer Space. 620 00:33:31,426 --> 00:33:34,261 I went up to Martha's Vineyard to actually see Doug. 621 00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:38,891 My idea was to take stuff and develop from the magazine 622 00:33:39,059 --> 00:33:41,477 and then put it on stage, and then Matty said 623 00:33:41,645 --> 00:33:42,812 it needed Doug's touch. 624 00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:44,146 He looked completely wasted. 625 00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:47,233 He'd obviously been dropping acid and eating very little. 626 00:33:48,068 --> 00:33:50,403 He wanted to go for a walk 'cause he had something to show me. 627 00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:52,822 And we walked out to where there's this peculiar, 628 00:33:52,989 --> 00:33:55,282 kind of, mud which runs right down to the sea. 629 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:58,202 And he said it was really groovy, 630 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:01,997 really groovy in the summer to slather yourself with this stuff 631 00:34:02,124 --> 00:34:03,207 and just lie in the sun. 632 00:34:04,835 --> 00:34:06,544 So I had pitched my idea, 633 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,796 and he said, "No, man, I can't do that. 634 00:34:08,964 --> 00:34:10,423 I'm too deep into my novel." 635 00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:13,342 And it turned he'd written one and a half chapters. 636 00:34:17,180 --> 00:34:19,640 ♪ Aah... ♪ 637 00:34:23,395 --> 00:34:26,772 The first album did so well, we've got to do another album. 638 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:29,483 Wouldn't it be fun to parody Woodstock? 639 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:32,319 We were going to do a three night show, record it, 640 00:34:32,487 --> 00:34:35,072 edit it, and that would be the second album. 641 00:34:35,824 --> 00:34:38,159 But it got out of hand. 642 00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:39,660 ♪ (rock music plays) ♪ 643 00:34:39,828 --> 00:34:42,705 ♪ We are Lemmings! ♪ 644 00:34:42,873 --> 00:34:46,459 ♪ (guitar riff plays) ♪ 645 00:34:46,626 --> 00:34:49,503 We needed a cast of people who could be very funny 646 00:34:49,671 --> 00:34:51,839 and could play an instrument 647 00:34:52,007 --> 00:34:54,759 or, at the very least, sing extremely well. 648 00:34:54,926 --> 00:34:56,469 Simmons: Tony Hendra called me one night, and he said, 649 00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:59,138 "There's a guy here at Second City in Chicago, 650 00:34:59,306 --> 00:35:02,683 and he's the funniest actor I've ever seen in my life. 651 00:35:02,851 --> 00:35:03,893 He's incredible." 652 00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:05,478 So I said, "Bring him to New York." 653 00:35:08,064 --> 00:35:09,565 John Belushi: Can I have your attention please? 654 00:35:09,733 --> 00:35:12,693 The theme of Lemmings Woodshuck Festival 655 00:35:12,861 --> 00:35:15,946 was that everyone's come together to off themself. 656 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:19,617 Lemmings are animals that commit suicide by going over cliffs. 657 00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:23,704 So they were giving advice on how they might do this along the way 658 00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:25,623 by the announcer, who was John. 659 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,292 (applause) 660 00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:30,795 Now we all know why we came here. 661 00:35:31,755 --> 00:35:33,297 A million of us, 662 00:35:33,924 --> 00:35:35,883 we came here to off ourselves. 663 00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:38,761 He made the character into this, kind of, 664 00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:43,182 manically agreeable murderous lunatic. 665 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:45,142 If your buddy is too stoned to off himself, 666 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:46,685 do him a favor. 667 00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:48,813 Roll him up in his sleeping bag 668 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,816 and drag him over to where the tractors can run him down. 669 00:35:54,236 --> 00:35:58,155 Chris Guest did a James Taylor that was genius. 670 00:35:58,323 --> 00:36:00,241 ♪ Farewell, New York City ♪ 671 00:36:00,408 --> 00:36:03,786 ♪ With your streets that flash like strobes ♪ 672 00:36:04,246 --> 00:36:06,497 ♪ Farewell, Carolina ♪ 673 00:36:06,748 --> 00:36:09,792 ♪ Where I left my frontal lobes ♪ 674 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,418 Hey! Chevy! 675 00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:13,003 Hey! What's your name again?! 676 00:36:13,255 --> 00:36:15,631 - John. - John, hey! 677 00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:17,716 Chevy Chase: There was a sketch where John and I 678 00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:19,927 were two high school or college guys 679 00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:21,846 at urinals, just talking. 680 00:36:21,972 --> 00:36:23,305 I can't even remember what it was about, 681 00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:25,975 but I do remember that they were laughing all through. 682 00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:28,352 And it became clearer and clearer to me 683 00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:29,520 that they were laughing at John, 684 00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:30,855 whether he was saying anything or not. 685 00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:32,022 (laughter) 686 00:36:32,107 --> 00:36:33,774 I'm like this, talking to John. 687 00:36:35,068 --> 00:36:38,612 And finally after, like, a week, I have to look over at him 688 00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:40,447 to see what the hell is going on, 689 00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:42,449 why are they always laughing? And he's like this. 690 00:36:44,077 --> 00:36:47,037 (chuckling) 691 00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:49,081 Never knew it, never told me. 692 00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:52,251 The little bastard just took me. 693 00:36:52,419 --> 00:36:55,129 (laughing) 694 00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:56,797 It was so good. 695 00:36:57,966 --> 00:37:00,342 It was decided, because the ticket sales were so brisk, 696 00:37:00,844 --> 00:37:02,386 that we would simply leave the show open. 697 00:37:02,554 --> 00:37:04,763 And at that point, from a record project, 698 00:37:04,931 --> 00:37:07,099 it actually become an off-Broadway show. 699 00:37:07,684 --> 00:37:09,101 ♪ (piano music plays) ♪ 700 00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:12,062 It was in this little tiny club in the Village, 701 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:15,441 but it was an underground hit, it was a cool thing to go see. 702 00:37:15,609 --> 00:37:16,901 (indistinct singing) ♪ Well I'm standing here ♪ 703 00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:18,402 ♪ Singing my song ♪ 704 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:22,281 ♪ Well, there ain't nothing to do, all my friends are gone ♪ 705 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:25,784 ♪ I had sunshine and a country home ♪ 706 00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:28,871 ♪ I've been on the cover of Rolling Stone ♪ 707 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,040 - ♪ But it lonely ♪ - ♪ Yes it's lonely ♪ 708 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:32,875 Kelly: When we were with the actors, 709 00:37:33,043 --> 00:37:34,752 it got more rambunctious. 710 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,963 Because that was when actual uppers and downers 711 00:37:38,131 --> 00:37:41,091 and nose candy, and things, entered. 712 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:43,385 What about the acid? You gonna open the acid? 713 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:46,347 What acid? 714 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,600 What do you mean, "What acid," John? 715 00:37:49,768 --> 00:37:51,518 - What acid? - The LSD 25, man. 716 00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:53,228 You mean the LSD zero? 717 00:37:53,396 --> 00:37:54,939 (audience laughing) 718 00:37:55,106 --> 00:37:56,565 Tony would go to Matty and say 719 00:37:56,733 --> 00:38:00,444 he needed X bucks to buy marijuana for the cast. 720 00:38:00,612 --> 00:38:03,405 And then Tony, of course, would immediately buy cocaine with it. 721 00:38:03,907 --> 00:38:06,241 I mean, everybody can buy their own marijuana. 722 00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:09,244 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 723 00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:10,579 (applause) 724 00:38:10,747 --> 00:38:12,831 Hey! Hey, you gotta get up! 725 00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:16,460 Hup! Hup! 726 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:19,421 (groaning) 727 00:38:23,134 --> 00:38:24,176 Whoa! 728 00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:25,928 (laughter) 729 00:38:29,015 --> 00:38:31,183 ♪ What would you do ♪ 730 00:38:31,851 --> 00:38:34,395 ♪ If I sang out of tune? ♪ 731 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:37,815 - One, two, three! - ♪ Lonely at the bottom ♪ 732 00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:40,275 ♪ Lonely, lonely, lonely ♪ 733 00:38:40,443 --> 00:38:42,903 - ♪ Lonely at the bottom ♪ - ♪ I said my baby's lonely ♪ 734 00:38:43,071 --> 00:38:44,697 ♪ I said she lonely, I said she lonely ♪ 735 00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:47,449 ♪ I said she lonely, I said she lonely, I said... ♪ 736 00:38:48,451 --> 00:38:50,119 (music stops) 737 00:38:50,286 --> 00:38:54,331 (cheering and applause) 738 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:58,127 Gross: Henry Beard's office door hardly ever opened. 739 00:38:58,461 --> 00:39:01,213 Henry Beard sat there and typed. 740 00:39:01,381 --> 00:39:02,756 (typewriter keys clicking) 741 00:39:02,924 --> 00:39:05,551 Pull it out, pull it out. Pages, pages, pages. 742 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,806 Genius, brilliant, intellectual and otherwise pages. 743 00:39:10,974 --> 00:39:12,016 That's it. 744 00:39:13,101 --> 00:39:15,144 Beard: Suddenly I was working a hundred hours a week. 745 00:39:15,311 --> 00:39:17,521 You know, I would go home and go to bed 746 00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:19,148 and then wake up the next morning 747 00:39:19,315 --> 00:39:21,817 and go to the office and start writing again. 748 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:24,445 Hendra: Henry, really, 749 00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:26,155 had become the leader of the magazine. 750 00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:28,198 When Doug was still there, it was a partnership, 751 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:31,243 and when he left, Henry was the only person 752 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:33,912 who could actually, sort of, be the final authority, 753 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,707 and he had done that very, I think, grudgingly. 754 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:40,210 So when Doug sidled back into the office, 755 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:44,465 sort of saying, "Hi, I'm back," no one had much patience for Doug. 756 00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:48,218 He came back humbled, deeply humbled. 757 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,095 Deeply, sadly humbled. 758 00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:52,973 Tail between his legs. He knew what he had done. 759 00:39:55,143 --> 00:39:57,269 Gross: Doug brought the novel back, 760 00:39:57,437 --> 00:40:00,147 and Henry looks at it and goes, "Jesus, this is awful." 761 00:40:00,315 --> 00:40:02,399 He... I... I read this thing, it just made no sense. 762 00:40:02,567 --> 00:40:04,276 It was a complete nothing. 763 00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:06,987 And what he did was, he opened up the window 764 00:40:07,155 --> 00:40:10,157 on Madison Avenue and just scaled the whole thing out. 765 00:40:12,285 --> 00:40:13,994 Gross: There were people not talking to him. 766 00:40:14,204 --> 00:40:16,789 And people were, like, doing this. They didn't even want to see him. 767 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:19,500 I was pissed at Doug, and I said, 768 00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:21,919 "Doug, you know, you fucking let me down. 769 00:40:23,171 --> 00:40:24,171 You let us all down." 770 00:40:33,723 --> 00:40:35,933 - Julius: This is Julius... - Ethel: And Ethel... 771 00:40:36,101 --> 00:40:37,142 Both: Rosenberg. 772 00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:40,354 Julius: Did you know that the majority of dead people are Jews? 773 00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:45,150 Mm-hmm. 85% of all dead people are Jewish. 774 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:46,735 So remember, 775 00:40:46,903 --> 00:40:49,780 if you persecute Jews when you're alive, 776 00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:53,242 boy, are you going to get it when you're dead. 777 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,329 Doug had just gotten back from being AWOL for about a year, 778 00:40:57,497 --> 00:40:58,789 and I had just been hired. 779 00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:01,834 And Michael O'Donoghue, in the early Lampoon, 780 00:41:02,001 --> 00:41:05,420 wrote a brief parody of a high school year book. 781 00:41:05,588 --> 00:41:07,714 Matty Simmons had the idea of turning this 782 00:41:07,882 --> 00:41:11,093 into a special edition of doing a yearbook. 783 00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:14,429 Matty gave us the job because, basically, we couldn't say no. 784 00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:17,975 Doug was still in the doghouse, and I was a fresh hire. 785 00:41:18,143 --> 00:41:19,518 Simmons: They weren't hot about the idea. 786 00:41:19,686 --> 00:41:22,563 But I wanted to do it, and I pushed them. 787 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:24,731 O'Rourke: We're sitting around, bemoaning our fate. 788 00:41:24,899 --> 00:41:26,733 "This is such a stupid idea. 789 00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:28,569 How are we gonna talk him out of this?" 790 00:41:29,154 --> 00:41:30,696 And we just started talking about high school. 791 00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:33,282 And we started talking about how, really, 792 00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:35,242 there are only a dozen people in high school. 793 00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:36,827 Well, there's the beautiful frigid girl, 794 00:41:36,995 --> 00:41:38,203 there's the stupid jock, 795 00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:40,414 there's the exchange student from "Absurd-istan." 796 00:41:40,582 --> 00:41:43,083 You know, there's only a dozen, 18 people in high school. 797 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:45,252 ♪ (Chuck Berry "School Days" plays) ♪ 798 00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:46,420 Bingo. 799 00:41:48,423 --> 00:41:49,548 O'Rourke: This is how you do it. 800 00:41:49,716 --> 00:41:52,176 You cast these 18 characters, 801 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:54,469 and you spin out a year of their life, 802 00:41:54,637 --> 00:41:56,346 and you can get a whole book out of this. 803 00:41:59,309 --> 00:42:00,893 Hirsch: When I got to the Lampoon, 804 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:03,562 Anne Beatts and Emily Prager were the only two women writers. 805 00:42:03,730 --> 00:42:05,439 So I was desperate to work on anything. 806 00:42:05,607 --> 00:42:08,192 And so I said to Doug Kenney, "I volunteer. 807 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:12,696 I will do anything you want to help you." 808 00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:15,157 I walked with crutches, I had polio as a kid. 809 00:42:15,325 --> 00:42:17,159 He said, "Oh, well, you know, there's always a handicapped kid 810 00:42:17,285 --> 00:42:18,285 in every school. 811 00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:20,037 Can we borrow your crutches?" 812 00:42:20,663 --> 00:42:22,539 And I went, "Well, not without me, you can't!" 813 00:42:22,707 --> 00:42:24,541 And so he said "All right, well, will you be in it?" 814 00:42:24,709 --> 00:42:26,460 And I was Ursula Wattersky. 815 00:42:31,007 --> 00:42:33,592 I think P.J. was the women's gym teacher. 816 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,886 Brian McConnachie doing the optometrist club, 817 00:42:36,054 --> 00:42:38,222 and they're all, sort of, listing to the side. 818 00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:39,723 It was a wonderful experience. 819 00:42:39,891 --> 00:42:42,267 It was like producing an independent movie. 820 00:42:43,770 --> 00:42:47,022 It was perfect for Doug because he had simultaneously 821 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:51,318 been just a regular high school guy and Doug Kenney, 822 00:42:52,445 --> 00:42:54,404 super brain, watching from on high. 823 00:42:55,198 --> 00:42:57,449 He wore his high school jacket all the time, Doug. 824 00:42:57,617 --> 00:42:59,785 That was his natural costume. 825 00:42:59,953 --> 00:43:02,537 Doug used his own picture as the dead student 826 00:43:02,664 --> 00:43:04,414 that the yearbook was dedicated to. 827 00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:06,792 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 828 00:43:08,503 --> 00:43:11,380 It was a work of true satirical brilliance. 829 00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:14,383 There were 50 storylines 830 00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:16,677 woven through it in all the different 831 00:43:16,844 --> 00:43:19,763 sections of it. It was really a comic masterpiece. 832 00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:23,558 Gross: Doug was the personality of National Lampoon. 833 00:43:23,726 --> 00:43:25,227 He understood... 834 00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:28,146 ...people. 835 00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:32,150 (music stops) 836 00:43:33,987 --> 00:43:37,906 Simmons: Michael O'Donoghue in the office was like a time bomb. 837 00:43:38,366 --> 00:43:40,158 You never knew when it was going to go off. 838 00:43:40,326 --> 00:43:43,787 Michael O'Donoghue was... Seemed to be the world's angriest guy. 839 00:43:43,955 --> 00:43:45,205 Simmons: And he would scream and yell, 840 00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:47,291 and he would throw telephone books. 841 00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:49,042 And the phone, he'd rip the phone out 842 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:51,628 and throw it across the office, narrowly missing people. 843 00:43:52,005 --> 00:43:54,589 He was prone to, when you're stuck, 844 00:43:54,757 --> 00:43:57,134 you turn around, you wanna get angry at somebody. 845 00:43:57,302 --> 00:43:58,593 And you hit the people closest to you. 846 00:43:58,761 --> 00:44:00,345 You start slapping them around. 847 00:44:00,972 --> 00:44:02,889 Hendra: Michael was like a bundle of dynamite. 848 00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:05,809 For some reason, we hit it off when I first came to the magazine. 849 00:44:06,227 --> 00:44:07,686 And we were friends for a while. 850 00:44:07,854 --> 00:44:10,105 As everybody was with Michael, for a while. 851 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:15,152 Beatts: Michael had gotten into a giant feud with Tony 852 00:44:15,403 --> 00:44:18,947 over the fact that Tony had slept with Michael's then-girlfriend, Amy. 853 00:44:19,115 --> 00:44:22,242 Michael marched into my office and said, "You gotta fire him." 854 00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:25,912 And he told me what happened. I said, "Michael, the one thing 855 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,790 I never want to do is get involved with the personal lives 856 00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:30,459 of the people who work here." 857 00:44:30,626 --> 00:44:34,379 Matty gave Michael the National Lampoon Radio Hour 858 00:44:34,547 --> 00:44:36,465 as a compensatory thing. 859 00:44:36,632 --> 00:44:40,177 Like, okay, they have Lemmings, you can have the Radio Hour. 860 00:44:40,595 --> 00:44:43,597 ♪ (theme music plays) ♪ 861 00:44:43,765 --> 00:44:45,849 - (knocking on door) - Woman: Who is it? 862 00:44:46,017 --> 00:44:47,100 Man: Tom the Baker, here. 863 00:44:47,268 --> 00:44:49,311 Woman: Oh, Tom. Come on in. 864 00:44:49,479 --> 00:44:50,687 (door opens) 865 00:44:50,855 --> 00:44:52,314 You're not Tom the baker! 866 00:44:52,482 --> 00:44:53,690 Woman 2: Watch out, he's got a knife. 867 00:44:53,858 --> 00:44:55,317 (woman 1 gasping) Who are you? 868 00:44:55,485 --> 00:44:56,777 Man: I'm Bob the rapist. 869 00:44:56,944 --> 00:44:59,112 - Woman: Oh, Bob. - Woman 2: Oh, Bob. 870 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,947 Woman: Come on in, have some coffee. 871 00:45:01,115 --> 00:45:02,366 Woman 2: Good to see you. 872 00:45:04,827 --> 00:45:07,037 In the beginning of the Radio Hour, I guess it was envisioned 873 00:45:07,205 --> 00:45:08,830 that the editors would be the writers. 874 00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:10,707 Michael had just sort of written Lemmings off 875 00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:12,084 and everybody in it. 876 00:45:13,086 --> 00:45:14,961 One day, Chris Guest was supposed to come in and do 877 00:45:15,129 --> 00:45:16,671 a Peter O'Toole imitation, 878 00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:18,507 and he called up last minute to cancel. 879 00:45:19,008 --> 00:45:21,510 And I said, "John can do Peter O'Toole." 880 00:45:21,677 --> 00:45:23,804 And that's how everybody in Second City 881 00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:25,680 entered the Radio Hour. 882 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:29,101 Gilda Radner: Hi, I'm your host person, Gilda Radner, 883 00:45:29,268 --> 00:45:31,812 and I am going to read you the people who contributed. 884 00:45:31,979 --> 00:45:34,314 John Belushi, Brian Doyle-Murray, 885 00:45:34,482 --> 00:45:36,691 Bill Murray, Gilda Radner, Harold "Rahmis", 886 00:45:36,859 --> 00:45:38,193 - Ed Subitzky. - Harold Ramis: It's Ramis. 887 00:45:38,361 --> 00:45:40,278 - Gilda: What? - Ramis: Ramis, not "Rahmis." 888 00:45:40,988 --> 00:45:42,906 Hirsch: These guys were all Second City guys, 889 00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:47,369 and they learned a craft, which is writing sketches. 890 00:45:47,537 --> 00:45:49,704 - What's the point, Coach? - The point is this, Shnobble. 891 00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:51,289 There are winners and losers, 892 00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:53,250 but some guys don't even get to finish the game. 893 00:45:53,418 --> 00:45:54,918 Yeah? What are you talking about? 894 00:45:55,086 --> 00:45:57,212 There's a big coach somewhere in the universe, 895 00:45:57,380 --> 00:45:58,755 and he's taking one of us up. 896 00:45:58,923 --> 00:46:02,467 - Stefanski, you got Leukoplakia. - Huh? 897 00:46:02,635 --> 00:46:04,719 The doc says you might not last the season. 898 00:46:04,887 --> 00:46:07,472 (all moaning) 899 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,350 I suppose that one of us ought to say something, Coach, 900 00:46:10,518 --> 00:46:11,768 and as the defensive captain... 901 00:46:12,019 --> 00:46:13,270 Harold: Wait, that's not all. 902 00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:15,689 Luciano has Huntington's Chorea. 903 00:46:16,023 --> 00:46:17,774 Shaffer and Collins, you two have 904 00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:19,818 sickle cell anemia, highly advanced. 905 00:46:20,278 --> 00:46:23,447 Thomson, Carson and McNulty, spinal meningitis. 906 00:46:23,614 --> 00:46:24,656 (all moaning) 907 00:46:24,866 --> 00:46:27,242 Okay, that's pretty good. You can go on to the next one. 908 00:46:27,618 --> 00:46:30,537 Danny Abelson: For human nerds, the National Lampoon is like an obscure 909 00:46:30,705 --> 00:46:33,832 record label that first recorded Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton. 910 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,085 You, sort of, can trace extraordinary talent 911 00:46:37,253 --> 00:46:39,337 back to this one little record label. 912 00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:42,340 But we do a fair amount of music on the radio show. 913 00:46:42,508 --> 00:46:46,386 We do, um, often performed by us because we're so awful, 914 00:46:46,554 --> 00:46:48,972 that we couldn't ever get professionals to sound 915 00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:51,099 as bad as we wanted the thing to sound. 916 00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:54,019 ♪ I wish I was a Negro ♪ 917 00:46:54,187 --> 00:46:56,605 ♪ With lots of Negro soul ♪ 918 00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:59,858 ♪ So I could stay true to my ethnic roots ♪ 919 00:47:00,026 --> 00:47:02,444 ♪ And still play rock'n'roll ♪ 920 00:47:02,612 --> 00:47:04,946 ♪ If I was a funky Negro ♪ 921 00:47:05,114 --> 00:47:08,074 ♪ Eating soul food barbecues ♪ 922 00:47:08,576 --> 00:47:11,244 ♪ I wouldn't have to sing the middle-class liberal ♪ 923 00:47:11,412 --> 00:47:12,996 ♪ Well-intentioned blues ♪ 924 00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:16,249 We get some reaction from people accusing us 925 00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:18,043 of being racist or anti-Semitic, 926 00:47:18,211 --> 00:47:19,961 or we even got complaints from the Nazis 927 00:47:20,129 --> 00:47:22,088 that we were anti-Nazi or something. 928 00:47:23,508 --> 00:47:25,717 Kenney: All of the editors, I think, to a certain degree, 929 00:47:25,885 --> 00:47:28,053 are unbelievable racists. 930 00:47:28,221 --> 00:47:30,472 You ask, "Are we anti-Polack?" 931 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,350 Of course, we're anti-Polack, they're so dumb. 932 00:47:33,518 --> 00:47:35,310 Interviewer: What about racism being dealt with 933 00:47:35,478 --> 00:47:36,811 in the way it is in Lampoon? 934 00:47:36,979 --> 00:47:38,813 Oh, I suggest simply the hotter the issue, 935 00:47:38,981 --> 00:47:40,524 the more they cool it by hilarity. 936 00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:43,902 Why does one laugh? Laughter is entirely a defense mechanism. 937 00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:46,988 Laughter is a defense against hostility, 938 00:47:47,156 --> 00:47:48,657 a replacement for hostility, 939 00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:52,202 a, uh, a defense mechanism against guilt, embarrassment. 940 00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:55,288 Michael did a thing about Kentucky Fried Chicken, 941 00:47:55,456 --> 00:47:57,374 except, of course, the Colonel was serving 942 00:47:57,542 --> 00:47:58,833 Kentucky Fried black people. 943 00:47:58,918 --> 00:48:01,628 And you think, well, that's beyond tasteless. 944 00:48:01,796 --> 00:48:03,838 Except it's, sort of, true. 945 00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:06,216 We're a good, humorous say anything which is true, 946 00:48:06,384 --> 00:48:08,385 which you would do anything to deny is true. 947 00:48:08,553 --> 00:48:10,220 Kelly: So I wouldn't say the 948 00:48:10,471 --> 00:48:13,223 Kentucky Fried joke was a racist joke. 949 00:48:13,391 --> 00:48:15,350 It was a joke against racism. 950 00:48:15,685 --> 00:48:19,187 Judith Belushi: We had a very disgruntled sponsor who dropped us. 951 00:48:19,355 --> 00:48:21,439 And I remember the memo we got after, it was from Matty. 952 00:48:21,607 --> 00:48:23,650 "You can make fun of poor people, 953 00:48:24,026 --> 00:48:25,235 you can make fun of Indians, 954 00:48:25,361 --> 00:48:27,821 you can make fun of anything you want, 955 00:48:27,989 --> 00:48:29,864 but do not make fun of the Jews." 956 00:48:32,201 --> 00:48:34,369 It is the job of a satirist, okay, 957 00:48:34,537 --> 00:48:37,247 to make people in power uncomfortable, 958 00:48:37,415 --> 00:48:38,957 really uncomfortable. 959 00:48:39,125 --> 00:48:41,835 To the point where they go, "This has to be stopped." 960 00:48:42,086 --> 00:48:44,504 ♪ Well-intentioned blues ♪ 961 00:48:50,219 --> 00:48:53,263 In the National Lampoon, what really gets people angry? 962 00:48:53,431 --> 00:48:55,765 What do they... What do they sue you about? 963 00:48:55,933 --> 00:48:59,436 Probably the most famous suit we ever had was the Volkswagen suit. 964 00:49:01,230 --> 00:49:03,189 We had a picture of a Volkswagen. 965 00:49:03,357 --> 00:49:05,442 We said if Teddy Kennedy had driven a Volkswagen, 966 00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:09,154 he'd be President today. Which is true, of course. 967 00:49:09,322 --> 00:49:10,697 Teddy Kennedy would be President 968 00:49:10,781 --> 00:49:13,074 if he drove a car that floated. 969 00:49:13,993 --> 00:49:15,785 Well, the first thing we did, and this was Matty, 970 00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:17,662 he sent out a news release, 971 00:49:17,830 --> 00:49:20,874 along with the ad, nationwide, 972 00:49:21,834 --> 00:49:23,877 saying that Volkswagen was suing us. 973 00:49:24,045 --> 00:49:26,296 It got picked up in every newspaper in America. 974 00:49:26,464 --> 00:49:29,716 They ran the ad, and the issue sold out. 975 00:49:30,926 --> 00:49:34,054 I had let them get away with things that even shocked me. 976 00:49:38,601 --> 00:49:41,353 One day, I got a call from the Vice President at NBC. 977 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,191 He said, "We have been talking about doing a Saturday night satire show. 978 00:49:46,359 --> 00:49:47,442 Would you be interested?" 979 00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:49,361 We had all sorts of things going on. 980 00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:51,112 We had live shows on the road, 981 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,658 we had the magazine, we had a book division. 982 00:49:54,825 --> 00:49:56,284 It was the biggest radio show in the country. 983 00:49:56,452 --> 00:49:57,911 It was on 600 stations. 984 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,039 We were the humor empire in the United States. 985 00:50:01,749 --> 00:50:05,001 I said, "I really appreciate it, but it's too demanding." 986 00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:09,631 National Lampoon was just a magazine, you know? 987 00:50:09,799 --> 00:50:13,510 But suddenly, it was records and actors and musicians. 988 00:50:13,678 --> 00:50:15,220 Abelson: There was an extraordinary change 989 00:50:15,388 --> 00:50:17,931 in the sense that the spotlight was suddenly being shared. 990 00:50:18,099 --> 00:50:19,808 Well, I remember Chevy coming to the office 991 00:50:19,975 --> 00:50:21,976 and John Belushi coming to the office, and those guys 992 00:50:22,144 --> 00:50:23,728 had an energy to them that was very exciting. 993 00:50:23,896 --> 00:50:25,855 And you felt that it must have been difficult for editors 994 00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:28,108 who'd been around for a long time to not be a part of that group. 995 00:50:32,655 --> 00:50:34,989 The more famous and the more popular we got, 996 00:50:35,157 --> 00:50:38,368 the more people's egos were doing this. 997 00:50:38,536 --> 00:50:40,036 Kelly: Michael and Tony were 998 00:50:40,204 --> 00:50:41,705 heading in their different directions. 999 00:50:41,872 --> 00:50:44,582 It was very difficult, especially because you couldn't 1000 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:46,668 work for both of them at the same time, 1001 00:50:46,836 --> 00:50:50,004 or they would consider you a traitor and a Mordred. 1002 00:50:50,172 --> 00:50:51,423 We don't need this, and this is supposed to be 1003 00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:52,799 fun and happy and what not. 1004 00:50:52,967 --> 00:50:54,801 We're getting paid to be as silly as we can. 1005 00:50:54,969 --> 00:50:56,344 Simmons: We're talking about the smartest, 1006 00:50:56,512 --> 00:50:59,597 most curious, free-spirited people. 1007 00:50:59,849 --> 00:51:01,641 These were not cageable people. 1008 00:51:01,809 --> 00:51:05,395 And people started leaving the Lampoon. 1009 00:51:08,566 --> 00:51:10,984 O'Donoghue, his girlfriend was Anne Beatts. 1010 00:51:11,152 --> 00:51:14,612 Beatts: Matty had given Michael Simmons my desk, 1011 00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:16,156 and I was furious. 1012 00:51:16,323 --> 00:51:18,324 It had taken me all that many years to get a desk, 1013 00:51:18,492 --> 00:51:20,243 and then suddenly I didn't have it anymore. 1014 00:51:20,411 --> 00:51:22,412 He called me up one morning, and he said, 1015 00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:24,414 "I gotta talk to you, Anne Beatts must have 1016 00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:25,707 an office at the radio show. 1017 00:51:25,875 --> 00:51:27,751 If you don't do this I'm gonna quit." 1018 00:51:27,918 --> 00:51:30,920 Matty said, "Well, if she doesn't like it, she can quit, 1019 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:32,756 and if you don't like it, you can quit." 1020 00:51:32,923 --> 00:51:34,632 And Michael said, "I quit." 1021 00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:36,301 And he quit. 1022 00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:38,720 And that was it. 1023 00:51:39,221 --> 00:51:41,181 Michael left, never came back. 1024 00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:45,560 Gross: I had been with the magazine four or five years. 1025 00:51:45,728 --> 00:51:47,562 Rock'n'roll is the best analogy. 1026 00:51:47,730 --> 00:51:50,398 You know, it's a band that just started to go bad. 1027 00:51:50,566 --> 00:51:51,775 So it was just time for me to move. 1028 00:52:00,534 --> 00:52:01,868 Bill Murray: Bless me Father, for I have sinned. 1029 00:52:01,994 --> 00:52:03,203 Brian Doyle-Murray: And how long has it been 1030 00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:04,329 since your last confession, my son? 1031 00:52:04,497 --> 00:52:05,705 Murray: About four months, I guess, Father. 1032 00:52:05,873 --> 00:52:06,873 Doyle-Murray: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 1033 00:52:07,041 --> 00:52:08,541 Murray: Uh... And I fucked this girl... 1034 00:52:08,709 --> 00:52:10,251 Uh... Excuse my French, Father, 1035 00:52:10,419 --> 00:52:11,753 Uh... I went all the way with this girl. 1036 00:52:11,921 --> 00:52:13,087 Doyle-Murray: Don't be embarrassed, my son. 1037 00:52:13,214 --> 00:52:14,339 I've heard it all before. 1038 00:52:14,507 --> 00:52:16,007 I've heard much, much worse than that. 1039 00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:17,258 Murray: You heard cunnilingus? 1040 00:52:17,426 --> 00:52:19,010 Doyle-Murray: I hear that from second graders. 1041 00:52:19,178 --> 00:52:20,720 Murray: Wow. Wobbly warhead, you heard that? 1042 00:52:20,888 --> 00:52:21,930 Slam the warhead at her? 1043 00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:23,264 Doyle-Murray: Years ago, years ago. 1044 00:52:23,432 --> 00:52:24,682 Murray: Low clearance clit? You heard that? 1045 00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:26,810 - Doyle-Murray: Dwarf cock. - Murray: Bosom burger? 1046 00:52:26,936 --> 00:52:28,520 - Doyle-Murray: Scrotum breath. - Murray: Albino beaver? 1047 00:52:28,646 --> 00:52:30,271 - Doyle-Murray: Iguana tits. - Murray: Madam ovary? 1048 00:52:30,439 --> 00:52:32,398 - Doyle-Murray: Slime slit. - Murray: Mashy nipple lick? 1049 00:52:32,525 --> 00:52:33,775 - Murray: Bug nuts. - Doyle-Murray: Cock nose? 1050 00:52:33,901 --> 00:52:35,318 - Doyle-Murray: Vagina. - Murray: Oriental crack? 1051 00:52:35,444 --> 00:52:36,319 Doyle-Murray: Superdome pussy. 1052 00:52:36,445 --> 00:52:37,695 Murray: Afterbirth on toast, it's pizza. 1053 00:52:37,863 --> 00:52:39,405 - Doyle-Murray: Punk piss. - Murray: Hillbilly snatch. 1054 00:52:39,532 --> 00:52:41,407 - Doyle-Murray: Boob puss. - Murray: You heard Rhino Clit? 1055 00:52:41,575 --> 00:52:43,743 Doyle-Murray: Rhino Clit? That's disgusting. 1056 00:52:43,911 --> 00:52:45,078 That's terrible. 1057 00:52:45,246 --> 00:52:47,247 Nice mouth, you kiss your mother with that mouth? 1058 00:52:47,414 --> 00:52:48,957 You eat with that mouth? 1059 00:52:49,291 --> 00:52:50,708 Garbage mouth! 1060 00:52:51,877 --> 00:52:54,295 Man: Well, the Nat Lamp, as it is affectionately called 1061 00:52:54,463 --> 00:52:57,715 by both its friends and enemies, has taken its anarchism off its pages 1062 00:52:57,883 --> 00:53:00,426 and put it on the stage in revue form. 1063 00:53:00,678 --> 00:53:03,263 They are the cast of the new National Lampoon show, 1064 00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:06,099 which opens this Friday at the new Palladium Cabaret 1065 00:53:06,267 --> 00:53:08,518 at 120 West 51st Street. 1066 00:53:08,811 --> 00:53:10,812 I've given up a life of comfort and wealth. 1067 00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:12,730 Surely you can send something. 1068 00:53:12,898 --> 00:53:16,276 A dime, a dollar, a pair of socks, 1069 00:53:16,443 --> 00:53:19,571 some 50 caliber tracer bullets or whatever you can to... 1070 00:53:19,738 --> 00:53:21,406 The Symbionese Liberation Army. 1071 00:53:21,574 --> 00:53:22,991 That's the SLA in L.A., 1072 00:53:23,158 --> 00:53:26,202 418 Tishman Building, Los Angeles, California. 1073 00:53:27,746 --> 00:53:29,539 I was reading the magazine. 1074 00:53:29,707 --> 00:53:31,416 I was very impressed with the writing in it, 1075 00:53:31,584 --> 00:53:33,167 so I looked up on the masthead 1076 00:53:33,335 --> 00:53:35,879 and found Matty Simmons' name and called him. 1077 00:53:36,046 --> 00:53:38,923 He had seen the National Lampoon show in Toronto. 1078 00:53:39,091 --> 00:53:42,093 Matty decided to do another stage show, 1079 00:53:42,261 --> 00:53:44,888 using Bill Murray, Gilda Radner, Harold Ramis, 1080 00:53:45,055 --> 00:53:47,599 and much of the same talent in the Radio Hour. 1081 00:53:47,766 --> 00:53:49,058 So I said to Ivan, 1082 00:53:49,226 --> 00:53:52,020 "Why don't you come in and run it in New York?" 1083 00:53:52,187 --> 00:53:56,691 And now the National Lampoon Radio Hour single's bar of the air. 1084 00:53:56,859 --> 00:53:59,736 Your opportunity to meet some of today's most beautiful, bright, 1085 00:53:59,904 --> 00:54:02,947 talented, sensitive, and unattached young men and women. 1086 00:54:03,115 --> 00:54:04,699 Will that perfect mate be you? 1087 00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:07,160 Hiya, fella. 1088 00:54:07,328 --> 00:54:09,078 Nice weather, isn't it? 1089 00:54:09,371 --> 00:54:11,956 I used to believe in ethical culture, 1090 00:54:12,124 --> 00:54:13,708 but then I switched to Zen. 1091 00:54:14,168 --> 00:54:17,545 My hobbies are plants, and once I had an ant farm. 1092 00:54:17,713 --> 00:54:19,631 Ivan Reitman: I showed up to one of the early rehearsals, 1093 00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:21,341 and there was, kind of, a discussion 1094 00:54:21,508 --> 00:54:23,217 about some little thing that's going on. 1095 00:54:23,385 --> 00:54:25,720 And I just naturally say, "Well, wouldn't it be better 1096 00:54:25,888 --> 00:54:27,513 if you..." I made some suggestion. 1097 00:54:27,681 --> 00:54:29,098 And suddenly the whole group stopped, 1098 00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:30,642 and they looked at me, 1099 00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:33,436 this outsider, and wondered, "Did he just say something?" 1100 00:54:33,604 --> 00:54:36,898 Did he have the nerve to actually open up his mouth and direct us? 1101 00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:39,567 Bill Murray, always the bravest of the group, 1102 00:54:39,735 --> 00:54:42,111 sort of walked up to me very calmly, 1103 00:54:42,404 --> 00:54:44,906 put his arm around me and patted me on my back, 1104 00:54:45,074 --> 00:54:49,327 got my winter scarf and wrapped it very slowly around my neck. 1105 00:54:49,954 --> 00:54:53,289 And said, "Hey, thanks for dropping in, we'll see you." 1106 00:54:53,457 --> 00:54:56,542 And he patted me, and he ushered me out of the room. 1107 00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:58,544 It was very, very embarrassing. 1108 00:54:59,171 --> 00:55:00,380 Better luck next time. 1109 00:55:00,547 --> 00:55:01,673 Rehearsal warm-up! 1110 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,216 Let's take first to the right eyebrow. 1111 00:55:03,384 --> 00:55:05,551 Ready, and one and two 1112 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,721 and three and four and five and six. 1113 00:55:08,889 --> 00:55:10,390 Now left, and two. 1114 00:55:10,557 --> 00:55:12,433 Come on! Up! Down! 1115 00:55:12,601 --> 00:55:14,852 And halt. Cross, and... 1116 00:55:15,020 --> 00:55:16,854 Reitman: Belushi was this sure great performer. 1117 00:55:17,022 --> 00:55:19,941 He was the center of The National Lampoon Show. 1118 00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:22,318 He, basically, acted as the director. 1119 00:55:22,486 --> 00:55:23,528 What are you doing here? 1120 00:55:23,779 --> 00:55:24,779 - Who me? - Yeah. 1121 00:55:25,406 --> 00:55:27,657 ♪ Well, I'm a congressman from Cleveland ♪ 1122 00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:30,410 ♪ I took kickbacks all the time ♪ 1123 00:55:30,911 --> 00:55:33,121 ♪ Now I'm stuck here in prison for them ♪ 1124 00:55:33,706 --> 00:55:35,748 - ♪ Doing 99 ♪ - Years? 1125 00:55:35,916 --> 00:55:37,208 - No, hours. - Wow. 1126 00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:39,335 Ramis: ♪ I'm a white collar criminal ♪ 1127 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,255 ♪ My wife's a debutante ♪ 1128 00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:46,676 ♪ I'm stuck in prison farm for as long as I want ♪ 1129 00:55:46,844 --> 00:55:48,636 ♪ Whoa... ♪ 1130 00:55:49,304 --> 00:55:51,472 Hendra: What was really remarkable about John was that 1131 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,850 he was the rock'n'roll of humor. 1132 00:55:54,018 --> 00:55:57,729 I mean, he represented those two things in perfect combination. 1133 00:55:58,856 --> 00:56:00,648 ♪ You know, we gotta eat caviar ♪ 1134 00:56:00,816 --> 00:56:01,899 Yeah! 1135 00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:03,860 ♪ We got a chauffeur and a car ♪ 1136 00:56:04,028 --> 00:56:05,319 Whoa! 1137 00:56:05,612 --> 00:56:07,905 ♪ We got a church and a school ♪ 1138 00:56:08,073 --> 00:56:11,200 ♪ We got a sauna and a pool... Whoa! ♪ 1139 00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:14,328 ♪ Six months on prison farm... ♪ 1140 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,790 He was very focused on the business side of it as well. 1141 00:56:18,042 --> 00:56:19,417 He was the one who would call me up every week 1142 00:56:19,585 --> 00:56:21,002 and say, "Hey, you're not advertising enough" 1143 00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:23,421 or "We should put these quotes on." 1144 00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:24,922 ♪ My honey ♪ 1145 00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:30,261 ♪ Told her to save my tennis things ♪ 1146 00:56:33,557 --> 00:56:36,225 Hirsch: I think it was Sean who said to Matty, 1147 00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:40,229 put him on retainer. Give him $500 a week 1148 00:56:41,356 --> 00:56:43,107 just to keep him here. 1149 00:56:43,317 --> 00:56:44,734 And Matty didn't do it. 1150 00:56:45,986 --> 00:56:47,278 Let's begin. 1151 00:56:48,989 --> 00:56:50,656 Repeat after me. 1152 00:56:51,325 --> 00:56:53,326 - I would like - I would like 1153 00:56:53,494 --> 00:56:54,577 to feed your fingertips 1154 00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:56,162 to feed your fingertips 1155 00:56:56,330 --> 00:56:58,414 - to the wolverines. - to the wolverines. 1156 00:56:58,582 --> 00:57:00,249 (laughter) 1157 00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:03,252 - Next, I am afraid - I am afraid 1158 00:57:03,420 --> 00:57:04,879 - we are out - we are out 1159 00:57:05,005 --> 00:57:06,380 - of badgers. - of badgers. 1160 00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:08,424 - Would you accept - Would you accept 1161 00:57:08,592 --> 00:57:10,301 - a wolverine - a wolverine 1162 00:57:10,469 --> 00:57:12,261 - in its place? - in its place? 1163 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:14,931 Next... (gasps) 1164 00:57:21,355 --> 00:57:23,022 (gasps) 1165 00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:25,108 (applause) 1166 00:57:28,737 --> 00:57:30,404 (inaudible) 1167 00:57:31,323 --> 00:57:34,408 Live from New York, it's Saturday Night! 1168 00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:38,412 Most of the cast of Saturday Night Live 1169 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:40,790 was taken right from the first company 1170 00:57:40,999 --> 00:57:42,375 of The National Lampoon Show. 1171 00:57:42,501 --> 00:57:44,877 Announcer: Starring the Not For Ready 1172 00:57:45,003 --> 00:57:46,504 Primetime Players! 1173 00:57:46,672 --> 00:57:50,883 The producer of Saturday Night Live watched our show for about a month 1174 00:57:51,051 --> 00:57:52,760 and then hired the people in the show. 1175 00:57:52,886 --> 00:57:54,595 Tom Snyder: You're talking about Lorne Michaels, who produces? 1176 00:57:54,763 --> 00:57:55,805 Oh, yeah, I forgot his name. 1177 00:57:55,973 --> 00:57:58,224 Lorne Michaels... No, I know his name. 1178 00:57:58,392 --> 00:58:00,101 - Are you mad at him?" - No, I'm not mad at him. 1179 00:58:00,269 --> 00:58:03,146 Since he has most of my actors and many of my writers. 1180 00:58:04,356 --> 00:58:05,773 You could almost feel the energy 1181 00:58:05,941 --> 00:58:08,734 sucked out of the magazine and into that show. 1182 00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:10,611 It was written by some Lampoon people. 1183 00:58:10,779 --> 00:58:12,613 It was starring some former Lampoon people. 1184 00:58:12,781 --> 00:58:15,950 And it was very glamorous, and it was a huge hit, 1185 00:58:16,118 --> 00:58:18,619 from the beginning, and I gathered pretty quickly 1186 00:58:18,787 --> 00:58:20,580 that if I liked Saturday Night Live, 1187 00:58:20,747 --> 00:58:21,747 I should keep it to myself. 1188 00:58:21,915 --> 00:58:23,916 Rick Meyerowitz: Suddenly, what the Lampoon offered 1189 00:58:24,084 --> 00:58:27,128 was available to a much larger audience. 1190 00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:30,214 The Lampoon lost its exceptionalism. 1191 00:58:30,424 --> 00:58:33,384 ♪ (music plays) ♪ 1192 00:58:43,687 --> 00:58:45,688 ♪ What would ya do ♪ 1193 00:58:45,856 --> 00:58:48,566 ♪ If I sang out of tune ♪ 1194 00:58:48,734 --> 00:58:50,151 (applause) 1195 00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:52,862 ♪ Would you stand up and walk out on me? ♪ 1196 00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:55,239 ♪ Oh, baby, I get high ♪ 1197 00:58:55,407 --> 00:58:58,117 ♪ With a little help from my friends ♪ 1198 00:58:58,285 --> 00:59:03,289 ♪ Oh, yeah, whoa... ♪ 1199 00:59:03,457 --> 00:59:06,751 I've described the Lampoon as the hippest place to be to write comedy. 1200 00:59:06,919 --> 00:59:08,211 And it was, 1201 00:59:08,378 --> 00:59:10,922 until the hippest place to be to write comedy 1202 00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:12,757 became Saturday Night Live. 1203 00:59:14,092 --> 00:59:16,344 Chevy Chase came over to the Lampoon offices, 1204 00:59:16,511 --> 00:59:18,179 and, chuckling, he said, 1205 00:59:18,347 --> 00:59:21,057 "Nobody gets laid writing for the National Lampoon anymore." 1206 00:59:30,567 --> 00:59:33,027 This friend of mine tells me that Michael Gross 1207 00:59:33,237 --> 00:59:34,862 is leaving the Lampoon, the art director, 1208 00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:36,364 and I should apply for the job. 1209 00:59:36,657 --> 00:59:40,826 And, I walk into the conference room, and Doug Kenney says to me, 1210 00:59:40,994 --> 00:59:44,789 "Well, I have three questions: Can you get us drugs? 1211 00:59:44,957 --> 00:59:46,916 Can you get us nude models? 1212 00:59:47,084 --> 00:59:48,584 And do you have some place where we can go 1213 00:59:48,752 --> 00:59:50,461 with the drugs and the nude models?" 1214 00:59:51,672 --> 00:59:53,756 And I thought very seriously 1215 00:59:53,924 --> 00:59:58,552 and I said, "Yes, yes, and yes." 1216 00:59:59,596 --> 01:00:02,223 And Doug looked at me and he says, "Well, I have no further questions." 1217 01:00:02,557 --> 01:00:05,351 ♪ (King Floyd's "Groove Me" plays) ♪ 1218 01:00:07,813 --> 01:00:09,438 Abelson: Peter had very little pretension 1219 01:00:09,606 --> 01:00:11,899 in terms of art, as did Michael Gross. 1220 01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:15,194 Totally different kind of person but he got it, you know, 1221 01:00:15,362 --> 01:00:16,946 and that's the thing that mattered. 1222 01:00:17,114 --> 01:00:20,074 He was a great looking guy who was not afraid to approach 1223 01:00:20,242 --> 01:00:22,660 people of the opposite sex and suggest 1224 01:00:22,828 --> 01:00:24,662 that they might get to know one another better, 1225 01:00:24,830 --> 01:00:26,747 which was somewhat fascinating to all of us. 1226 01:00:27,416 --> 01:00:30,376 Every 30 days we were putting out this 100-page magazine. 1227 01:00:30,544 --> 01:00:33,504 Didn't matter how dirty, or how vile, or how perverted, 1228 01:00:33,672 --> 01:00:36,549 or how sexual, or how twisted or violent it was. 1229 01:00:36,717 --> 01:00:39,468 If it was funny, and if Doug liked it, it was in. 1230 01:00:48,729 --> 01:00:50,313 Simmons: We knew all along that Doug 1231 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,981 and Henry Beard and Rob Hoffman 1232 01:00:52,149 --> 01:00:54,650 would ask us to buy them out after five years. 1233 01:00:54,818 --> 01:01:00,614 However, the buyout said that they would buy it out 1234 01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:05,077 at 21 times earnings, which was outrageous. 1235 01:01:05,245 --> 01:01:07,788 They stood to make a nice piece of change. 1236 01:01:07,914 --> 01:01:10,541 I owed them seven and a half million dollars. 1237 01:01:11,293 --> 01:01:14,003 So we met with them and we sat down and we talked. 1238 01:01:14,963 --> 01:01:18,883 For whatever reason, any reasonable alternative 1239 01:01:19,051 --> 01:01:21,427 to the buyout was rejected. 1240 01:01:22,763 --> 01:01:25,222 So when push came to shove, we shoved. 1241 01:01:25,390 --> 01:01:27,016 I don't think Matty was prepared. 1242 01:01:27,184 --> 01:01:30,227 I don't think Matty Simmons really thought Doug and Henry 1243 01:01:30,354 --> 01:01:31,354 would go through with it. 1244 01:01:32,647 --> 01:01:33,647 And they did. 1245 01:01:41,365 --> 01:01:45,701 Henry hinted a few times that, you know, 1246 01:01:45,869 --> 01:01:49,497 this could be good for you guys. Meaning Sean, Tony and myself. 1247 01:01:50,874 --> 01:01:53,709 O'Rourke: Other people apparently felt that they were stake holders. 1248 01:01:55,253 --> 01:01:58,130 And, um, you know, they weren't. 1249 01:01:59,132 --> 01:02:01,884 They all thought Henry had promised them a lot of money 1250 01:02:02,052 --> 01:02:05,054 and he walked out of that office the day the check was cashed. 1251 01:02:05,222 --> 01:02:07,681 He stood up on a desk and said, "I hated every minute of this. 1252 01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:10,059 Fuck you!" Then left. 1253 01:02:11,186 --> 01:02:13,270 Kelly: When Henry got up and told us 1254 01:02:13,438 --> 01:02:15,147 that he was never going to talk to any of us again, 1255 01:02:15,315 --> 01:02:18,150 it was such a shattering experience for all of us 1256 01:02:18,318 --> 01:02:20,861 because he was the one we were trying to please. 1257 01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:22,613 I think the culture changed. 1258 01:02:22,781 --> 01:02:26,117 And you know, people grew up. It had a lifespan. 1259 01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:31,455 Radio Announcer: Never send care packages 1260 01:02:31,623 --> 01:02:33,207 to the so-called starving families 1261 01:02:33,375 --> 01:02:35,793 in Europe because they're not starving at all. 1262 01:02:35,961 --> 01:02:38,421 Can you afford to live in Europe? No. 1263 01:02:38,588 --> 01:02:40,089 You can't even afford to visit Europe. 1264 01:02:40,257 --> 01:02:42,758 And do you know what they do with the care packages you send? 1265 01:02:42,926 --> 01:02:44,385 They whack them with their polo mallets 1266 01:02:44,553 --> 01:02:46,011 and kick them into their swimming pools. 1267 01:02:46,888 --> 01:02:49,390 The first time I saw Doug after the buyout, 1268 01:02:49,558 --> 01:02:52,184 I said, "What are you going to do with all of this bread? 1269 01:02:52,352 --> 01:02:53,602 That's so great!" 1270 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:55,729 And Doug said, "I'm going to Disneyland." 1271 01:02:55,939 --> 01:02:59,066 ♪ (rock music plays) ♪ 1272 01:02:59,234 --> 01:03:00,443 Doug was going to quit. 1273 01:03:00,610 --> 01:03:02,319 He was wealthy now and he was going to quit. 1274 01:03:02,487 --> 01:03:04,530 And Matty was smart enough to know that 1275 01:03:04,698 --> 01:03:06,407 "Holy shit, if I lose Doug, 1276 01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:08,701 I'm going to lose the heart and soul of this company." 1277 01:03:09,077 --> 01:03:10,536 And so he said, "Well, don't quit Doug, 1278 01:03:10,704 --> 01:03:13,289 we're going to make a movie." And Doug went, "Really?" 1279 01:03:13,457 --> 01:03:15,958 Once I told Doug we were making a movie, we had to make a movie. 1280 01:03:16,668 --> 01:03:20,045 Ivan then started coming up with ideas with Harold Ramis. 1281 01:03:20,297 --> 01:03:22,089 Reitman: I knew that the High School Yearbook 1282 01:03:22,257 --> 01:03:23,841 was the most popular thing 1283 01:03:24,718 --> 01:03:26,427 that the National Lampoon had ever put out. 1284 01:03:26,595 --> 01:03:28,679 So I called up Doug Kenney and said, 1285 01:03:28,847 --> 01:03:31,974 "Hey, why don't you help Harold write this high school movie?" 1286 01:03:32,142 --> 01:03:33,726 They started writing a screenplay that was 1287 01:03:33,894 --> 01:03:35,811 Charlie Manson and his followers 1288 01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:37,730 back when they were still in high school. 1289 01:03:37,898 --> 01:03:40,900 There was so much sex and drinking and what have you 1290 01:03:41,067 --> 01:03:45,070 involved with it that I said, "We can't do this in high school. 1291 01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:46,530 We'll get lynched." 1292 01:03:46,698 --> 01:03:48,032 ♪ (rock music plays) ♪ 1293 01:03:48,241 --> 01:03:51,368 So I spoke to Matty about shifting away from high school to college 1294 01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:55,039 and we were thinking of using Chris Miller's stories. 1295 01:03:55,207 --> 01:03:58,542 Simmons: Chris Miller was the most popular short story writer 1296 01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:59,960 in the history of the Lampoon. 1297 01:04:00,128 --> 01:04:03,380 Reitman: He specialized in stories based on his Dartmouth years. 1298 01:04:03,673 --> 01:04:05,216 Chris Miller: My stories were about college 1299 01:04:05,592 --> 01:04:07,801 and getting loaded and living a wild life 1300 01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:09,678 and sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, 1301 01:04:09,971 --> 01:04:11,680 or the absence of those things. 1302 01:04:12,474 --> 01:04:13,891 Doug Kenney went crazy over it 1303 01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:16,310 because they didn't do shit like that at Harvard. 1304 01:04:16,478 --> 01:04:17,978 Simmons: Ramis, Kenney and Miller worked 1305 01:04:18,146 --> 01:04:21,524 for a full year on what became a 114 page treatment. 1306 01:04:21,691 --> 01:04:23,526 The biggest treatment anyone's ever seen. 1307 01:04:23,693 --> 01:04:27,154 And so, that really became Animal House. 1308 01:04:30,575 --> 01:04:31,825 (rock music stops) 1309 01:04:31,993 --> 01:04:35,704 After the buyout, we bumped along until P.J. 1310 01:04:35,872 --> 01:04:37,831 took the title of Editor-in-Chief. 1311 01:04:37,999 --> 01:04:41,502 ♪ (The Hombres "Let It All Hang Out" plays) ♪ 1312 01:04:42,796 --> 01:04:46,215 I went to work as Matty's assistant but I wound up as Editor-in-Chief 1313 01:04:46,383 --> 01:04:49,468 because I had had some prior publishing experience. 1314 01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:52,638 I actually knew what on time and under budget meant. 1315 01:04:52,806 --> 01:04:55,724 The era of P.J. being the Editor-in-Chief, 1316 01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:58,686 it was less high-brow and more approachable. 1317 01:04:59,104 --> 01:05:00,854 Editorial meetings were way different. 1318 01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:04,024 Before he was editor, editorial meetings were hanging out 1319 01:05:04,192 --> 01:05:05,818 and trying to one-up each other 1320 01:05:05,986 --> 01:05:08,070 and consisted of this free-flow of ideas. 1321 01:05:08,905 --> 01:05:12,116 When P.J. took over, he was the chair of every meeting. 1322 01:05:12,284 --> 01:05:13,534 He had an agenda on his legal pad. 1323 01:05:13,702 --> 01:05:15,119 He would read us things that he had written 1324 01:05:15,287 --> 01:05:16,912 that he thought were particularly funny. 1325 01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:21,000 P.J. was one of those people that really worked hard. 1326 01:05:21,209 --> 01:05:23,502 It was not an endearing quality. 1327 01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:30,801 It needed a grown-up, but frankly, it stopped being fun. 1328 01:05:34,681 --> 01:05:37,016 "How to talk your wife into oral sex: 1329 01:05:37,726 --> 01:05:42,646 Beg, wheedle, plead, moan, groan and whine. 1330 01:05:42,814 --> 01:05:45,691 The object being to have her grab it in disgust 1331 01:05:45,859 --> 01:05:48,777 and perform the dirty deed to shut you up." 1332 01:05:49,946 --> 01:05:51,030 By John Hughes. 1333 01:05:51,197 --> 01:05:54,825 ♪ (rock music plays) ♪ 1334 01:05:54,993 --> 01:05:57,077 Apatow: I was always an enormous fan of John Hughes. 1335 01:05:57,245 --> 01:06:00,456 He did all of this humor about families and growing up 1336 01:06:00,624 --> 01:06:03,417 and then really funny, dirty stuff. 1337 01:06:07,172 --> 01:06:08,380 When I was running the magazine, 1338 01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:09,923 he was the best person I had working for me. 1339 01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:13,927 John could hue within, sort of, one degree of reality 1340 01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:15,179 and make it hilarious. 1341 01:06:15,847 --> 01:06:18,265 Peter Kleinman: On the surface, he was all-American, you know, 1342 01:06:18,433 --> 01:06:20,434 almost like this nice family guy. 1343 01:06:20,935 --> 01:06:23,520 And then you'd start reading his stuff, 1344 01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:27,066 and it was the most sick, sexual, depraved, 1345 01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:28,817 deviant stuff you've ever read. 1346 01:06:31,821 --> 01:06:35,115 P.J. O'Rourke and John Hughes and the kinds of articles they liked 1347 01:06:35,283 --> 01:06:37,785 and wrote and edited were politically different 1348 01:06:37,952 --> 01:06:40,412 and culturally and socially different than the stuff we had done. 1349 01:06:40,580 --> 01:06:42,706 And the kinds of readers changed also. 1350 01:06:44,501 --> 01:06:46,460 Simmons: I knew no one in Hollywood, 1351 01:06:46,628 --> 01:06:49,171 but this is one of those things that has to happen. 1352 01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:54,510 You have to have luck to go with talent. 1353 01:06:57,389 --> 01:07:01,058 I got a phone call about a week later from a guy who said, 1354 01:07:01,226 --> 01:07:03,560 "Mr. Simmons, I am the assistant to Ned Tanen 1355 01:07:03,728 --> 01:07:06,522 at Universal Studios, and I just want you to know 1356 01:07:06,690 --> 01:07:10,317 that I'm a huge Lampoon freak and if you ever want 1357 01:07:10,485 --> 01:07:12,111 to do a movie, please call me." 1358 01:07:12,362 --> 01:07:15,364 We met with Ned Tanen and he said, "I hate this. 1359 01:07:15,532 --> 01:07:19,201 Everybody's a drunkard, a womanizer, they're doing drugs." 1360 01:07:19,369 --> 01:07:22,538 But he had two assistants: Sean Daniel and Thom Mount, 1361 01:07:22,706 --> 01:07:24,581 who had always thought this project could work. 1362 01:07:24,708 --> 01:07:25,791 And they were pushing it. 1363 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,251 As a National Lampoon fan, 1364 01:07:27,419 --> 01:07:30,003 I just thought this is hilarious. 1365 01:07:30,171 --> 01:07:33,006 Not everyone thought it was as funny as I did. 1366 01:07:33,174 --> 01:07:36,510 In fact, it was held in total contempt. 1367 01:07:37,303 --> 01:07:40,639 My deal was that if any part of the National Lampoon show, 1368 01:07:40,807 --> 01:07:44,101 which I produced, sort of, led to what was going to be 1369 01:07:44,269 --> 01:07:45,978 a National Lampoon movie 1370 01:07:46,146 --> 01:07:48,605 then I was going to have the opportunity to direct it. 1371 01:07:48,773 --> 01:07:50,774 But the only film I had directed up to that point 1372 01:07:50,942 --> 01:07:53,652 was, uh, Cannibal Girls. 1373 01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:55,404 Announcer: They love every man they meet. 1374 01:07:56,531 --> 01:07:59,116 First to death, then for dinner. 1375 01:08:00,493 --> 01:08:03,370 Universal said, "Well, you can produce it but you can't direct it." 1376 01:08:03,705 --> 01:08:05,581 My girlfriend at the time was working as 1377 01:08:05,749 --> 01:08:08,041 a script supervisor on Kentucky Fried Movie. 1378 01:08:08,209 --> 01:08:10,335 She said to me you have got to get to know 1379 01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:11,670 the director of this movie, John Landis. 1380 01:08:13,548 --> 01:08:15,883 Sean approached me and said, "Would you be interested 1381 01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:18,594 in making a film at Universal?" 1382 01:08:18,762 --> 01:08:21,472 And I was like, "Duh", and, uh, 1383 01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:23,557 he gave me the script to Animal House. 1384 01:08:23,725 --> 01:08:25,267 Ned Tanen took me into his office and said, 1385 01:08:25,435 --> 01:08:27,978 "Look, a lot of people around here hate this 1386 01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:29,396 and don't think we should be doing it. 1387 01:08:29,564 --> 01:08:30,814 But if you believe in it, 1388 01:08:30,982 --> 01:08:32,983 go away and bring us back a movie." 1389 01:08:37,238 --> 01:08:40,073 You can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes. 1390 01:08:40,241 --> 01:08:42,618 You fucked up! You trusted us! 1391 01:08:44,996 --> 01:08:46,413 I had never done a comedy, 1392 01:08:46,581 --> 01:08:49,374 and I just was so over where my career was. 1393 01:08:49,542 --> 01:08:51,543 I was like, "I have to be in this movie." 1394 01:08:51,711 --> 01:08:53,253 (loud crack) 1395 01:08:53,338 --> 01:08:54,797 Thank you, sir. May I have another? 1396 01:08:56,674 --> 01:08:58,008 Bacon: I auditioned for John Landis 1397 01:08:58,176 --> 01:09:00,552 and he said, "Yeah, this guy is smarmy, 1398 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,222 he's a smarmy guy. Can ya do that?" 1399 01:09:03,598 --> 01:09:05,349 I had no idea what the word smarmy meant, 1400 01:09:05,517 --> 01:09:10,103 so I just, kind of, made this face and he was like, "That's great!" 1401 01:09:11,064 --> 01:09:13,857 My kid can't see, is it all right if he stands in front of you? 1402 01:09:14,025 --> 01:09:15,025 No! 1403 01:09:16,903 --> 01:09:18,737 Landis: I really wanted the writers on set. 1404 01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:21,156 Universal of course, this is a low-budget picture, 1405 01:09:21,324 --> 01:09:22,825 told me to go fuck myself, so... 1406 01:09:23,368 --> 01:09:26,870 What I did, was I said, "Look, get yourself to Eugene 1407 01:09:27,038 --> 01:09:29,373 and I will hire you every day as actors." 1408 01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:31,792 Chris and Doug being there was important. 1409 01:09:32,085 --> 01:09:35,921 And Doug Kenney, really important because, 1410 01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:38,006 you know, we made up a lot of stuff shooting. 1411 01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:40,425 What the hell we supposed to do, you moron? 1412 01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:42,469 Doug was always the smartest guy in the room, 1413 01:09:42,595 --> 01:09:44,763 you know, and the richest guy. (chuckling) 1414 01:09:45,139 --> 01:09:46,723 And the one with the drugs. 1415 01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:50,060 So, it was a real special time because it was a chance 1416 01:09:50,228 --> 01:09:52,688 to meet all these people that I had always revered. 1417 01:09:52,856 --> 01:09:55,941 You know, the Lampoon and that Doug had founded it 1418 01:09:56,109 --> 01:09:59,361 and was as smart in person and funny in person 1419 01:09:59,529 --> 01:10:01,780 as the magazine was. 1420 01:10:01,948 --> 01:10:03,949 Landis: I know that for Doug, he was in heaven. 1421 01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:05,534 He had the time of his life. 1422 01:10:07,996 --> 01:10:11,248 But Ned Tanen was very upset about it and very concerned 1423 01:10:11,416 --> 01:10:13,667 and really we were in trouble for a while. 1424 01:10:13,918 --> 01:10:15,460 When he saw the movie he just... 1425 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,339 He didn't like it and, uh, didn't find any of it funny. 1426 01:10:22,093 --> 01:10:23,760 Sean Daniel: Came time to preview the movie 1427 01:10:23,928 --> 01:10:26,805 in front of an actual paying audience, 1428 01:10:27,265 --> 01:10:29,266 the president of the corporation came, 1429 01:10:29,434 --> 01:10:32,311 who had been one of the non-believers. 1430 01:10:33,771 --> 01:10:36,356 And all of the executives were there. 1431 01:10:36,524 --> 01:10:39,943 The time has come for someone to put his foot down, 1432 01:10:40,987 --> 01:10:43,071 and that foot is me. 1433 01:10:43,573 --> 01:10:45,407 It was, you know, you're sitting there very nervous, 1434 01:10:45,575 --> 01:10:46,575 "How will they like the movie?" 1435 01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:49,828 (screaming) 1436 01:10:50,038 --> 01:10:51,121 They went nuts. 1437 01:10:51,372 --> 01:10:53,081 (cheering) 1438 01:10:54,751 --> 01:10:57,544 Suddenly the studio went, "Oh, my God, this really worked." 1439 01:10:57,837 --> 01:10:59,421 Landis: And from that moment on, 1440 01:10:59,589 --> 01:11:03,091 we went from being criminals... Suspects to heroes. 1441 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,141 I remember seeing it with my mom. It was the first time I saw 1442 01:11:11,309 --> 01:11:13,518 women's breasts in front of my mother. 1443 01:11:13,937 --> 01:11:15,812 I literally can remember how many people were in the theater 1444 01:11:15,980 --> 01:11:19,024 and what it looked like and my red shamed face. 1445 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,903 And you have to remember that Animal House created a genre. 1446 01:11:23,071 --> 01:11:25,447 ♪ (Bobby Lewis "Tossin' and Turnin" ' plays) ♪ 1447 01:11:28,117 --> 01:11:29,409 So we figured, "Wow, this is awesome." 1448 01:11:29,577 --> 01:11:31,036 Everybody's going to love the magazine now 1449 01:11:31,204 --> 01:11:33,038 and see that we're more mainstream because of this movie 1450 01:11:33,206 --> 01:11:34,790 which was a huge success. 1451 01:11:35,208 --> 01:11:36,708 What we didn't anticipate 1452 01:11:36,876 --> 01:11:40,629 was that Hollywood now would rear it's voracious head 1453 01:11:40,797 --> 01:11:46,093 and take away all of our wonderful, creative talent. 1454 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:49,262 The second it came out somebody hired me to write about 1455 01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:51,974 college kids drinking and having sex in cars 1456 01:11:52,141 --> 01:11:54,893 and everybody wanted to have a meeting even if... 1457 01:11:55,061 --> 01:11:56,895 And I had nothing to do with the movie. 1458 01:11:57,063 --> 01:11:59,356 I just worked at the Lampoon for a while. 1459 01:11:59,774 --> 01:12:03,777 (jet engine roar) 1460 01:12:10,118 --> 01:12:12,160 Chris Miller: Doug came out to Hollywood 1461 01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:14,454 and the search for joy and for ecstasy 1462 01:12:14,622 --> 01:12:16,790 was a major fact of life. 1463 01:12:18,292 --> 01:12:19,418 It was what we did. 1464 01:12:19,919 --> 01:12:21,628 ♪ (Bobby Blue Bland "Turn On Your Love Light" Plays) ♪ 1465 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,924 Beard: I realized that this is what he wanted to do. 1466 01:12:26,092 --> 01:12:28,510 I mean, Doug Kenney should be writing movies. 1467 01:12:28,678 --> 01:12:29,845 He was a producer. 1468 01:12:34,851 --> 01:12:37,519 He seemed to be running the whole show. 1469 01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:39,980 He was the engine that was making the wheels turn. 1470 01:12:40,148 --> 01:12:43,734 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 1471 01:12:43,901 --> 01:12:45,777 Doug was just an upward road to fame. 1472 01:12:48,781 --> 01:12:50,490 Beverly D'Angelo: I remember going to Doug Kenney's house 1473 01:12:50,658 --> 01:12:51,950 when I first came to Hollywood. 1474 01:12:52,118 --> 01:12:53,368 They were having the most fun in town. 1475 01:12:53,536 --> 01:12:55,120 They were what was going on in town. 1476 01:12:58,124 --> 01:13:02,794 Belushi: There was that part of him that enjoyed being a star. 1477 01:13:10,595 --> 01:13:12,971 Kleinman: Doug and Chevy had this great chemistry. 1478 01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:15,557 They could start going and you'd just sit back 1479 01:13:15,725 --> 01:13:17,309 and just watch the party. 1480 01:13:17,727 --> 01:13:20,270 He considered himself the most handsome man in comedy. 1481 01:13:20,688 --> 01:13:22,647 He'd be in front of the mirror and say, 1482 01:13:22,815 --> 01:13:25,650 "Look the most handsome man in comedy." 1483 01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:29,071 And then I'd stand behind him and go, "Almost." 1484 01:13:34,786 --> 01:13:36,620 Hendra: Wherever Doug was would be a party. 1485 01:13:37,163 --> 01:13:40,499 Just full of people, studio heads and guys from Denny's. 1486 01:13:40,666 --> 01:13:42,334 You know, I mean, just anyone he met. 1487 01:13:42,502 --> 01:13:44,211 And it would go on for hours, sometimes days. 1488 01:14:17,036 --> 01:14:18,495 Kleinman: Doug's career was really taking off, 1489 01:14:18,663 --> 01:14:20,080 and meanwhile back at the ranch, 1490 01:14:20,248 --> 01:14:22,874 everyone was making Disco Beavers From Outer Space. 1491 01:14:23,042 --> 01:14:25,627 ♪ Disco beaver ♪ 1492 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:28,421 ♪ From outer space... ♪ 1493 01:14:29,048 --> 01:14:30,715 There was a giant beaver walking around 1494 01:14:30,883 --> 01:14:32,717 throughout everything eating the floors. 1495 01:14:32,885 --> 01:14:35,303 So in the middle of the sketch, the floor would collapse 1496 01:14:35,471 --> 01:14:37,681 and this beaver, who had eaten it, would pop up. 1497 01:14:39,642 --> 01:14:42,144 Do I really have to talk about Disco Beaver? 1498 01:14:42,311 --> 01:14:44,062 ♪ Disco beaver... ♪ 1499 01:14:45,982 --> 01:14:47,440 Somebody at the Lampoon called me and said, 1500 01:14:47,608 --> 01:14:50,360 "Look we have a whole bunch of kids coming in from Harvard... 1501 01:14:50,528 --> 01:14:55,115 ♪ (rock music plays) ♪ 1502 01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:57,075 ...and we'd like you to come to the magazine 1503 01:14:57,243 --> 01:14:58,827 and just, kind of, tutor these guys." 1504 01:14:58,995 --> 01:15:00,829 I thought, okay, that sounds like fun. 1505 01:15:02,874 --> 01:15:04,499 Reiss: My first week at the National Lampoon, 1506 01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:07,419 we were getting drunk at a park with bagpipers there. 1507 01:15:07,587 --> 01:15:08,879 I saw a fistfight. 1508 01:15:09,172 --> 01:15:11,506 There was a man secretly living in his office. 1509 01:15:11,674 --> 01:15:15,677 It was... It was a crazy place, like nothing I had ever seen before. 1510 01:15:15,845 --> 01:15:18,263 And, you know, for a guy just out of college this was a dream. 1511 01:15:18,431 --> 01:15:20,140 You know, you were able to actually write comedy for a living, 1512 01:15:20,266 --> 01:15:21,224 which was astounding to me. 1513 01:15:21,392 --> 01:15:23,393 One thing that Mike and I did early, was these articles 1514 01:15:23,561 --> 01:15:26,146 about how to write. And we did one that Thurgood Marshall, 1515 01:15:26,314 --> 01:15:28,398 the Supreme Court Justice did, How to Write Dirty, 1516 01:15:28,566 --> 01:15:30,734 where he instructed you how to write pornography. 1517 01:15:31,444 --> 01:15:33,570 I had the thought that Thurgood Marshall, 1518 01:15:33,738 --> 01:15:35,488 he would never see this article, but if he did, 1519 01:15:35,656 --> 01:15:37,741 I thought maybe he would even enjoy it, right? 1520 01:15:37,909 --> 01:15:41,036 He was so upset that he called the FBI and said, 1521 01:15:41,204 --> 01:15:42,412 "What can I do to them?" 1522 01:15:42,914 --> 01:15:44,706 And the FBI said, "Well, there's a thing 1523 01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:47,709 called Freedom of Speech, Mr. Justice, it protects them." 1524 01:15:56,302 --> 01:15:57,802 McConnachie: After Animal House, 1525 01:15:57,970 --> 01:16:00,472 Harold and Doug went up to Florida and made Caddyshack. 1526 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,266 Caddyshack was not a Lampoon movie, 1527 01:16:03,434 --> 01:16:07,229 but it was a Doug Kenney movie and Doug Kenney was the Lampoon, 1528 01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,940 so obviously it was a Lampoon movie. 1529 01:16:10,107 --> 01:16:13,276 I mean, it may not have been officially a Lampoon movie 1530 01:16:13,444 --> 01:16:17,030 but with Chevy and Billy and Doug and Brian, 1531 01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:18,907 I mean, it was a Lampoon movie. 1532 01:16:19,075 --> 01:16:21,159 That was the spirit of the Lampoon. 1533 01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:23,453 Doug was the producer of Caddyshack 1534 01:16:23,621 --> 01:16:26,748 but it all seemed a little disorganized. 1535 01:16:27,041 --> 01:16:29,292 There was a kind of haphazard quality 1536 01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:32,545 to the way in which the film was created. 1537 01:16:32,713 --> 01:16:34,089 Stop thinking. 1538 01:16:35,007 --> 01:16:38,468 Let things happen and be the ball. 1539 01:16:41,180 --> 01:16:42,430 Danny? Danny? 1540 01:16:42,807 --> 01:16:45,433 It was only, like, my second movie or something, I don't remember. 1541 01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:47,519 Everybody was smoking pot. 1542 01:16:47,687 --> 01:16:48,645 (coughing) 1543 01:16:48,813 --> 01:16:50,063 It's a little harsh. 1544 01:16:50,398 --> 01:16:53,817 It was a very nocturnal, uh, movie. 1545 01:16:55,486 --> 01:16:56,569 (sniffing) 1546 01:16:56,779 --> 01:16:57,904 ♪ (Kenny Loggins "I'm Alight" plays) ♪ 1547 01:16:58,197 --> 01:16:59,864 Cocaine was just always there. 1548 01:17:00,992 --> 01:17:03,326 Matheson: Cocaine wasn't bad for you. You'd do this and you'd go, 1549 01:17:03,494 --> 01:17:04,744 "I can't believe this isn't bad for me!" 1550 01:17:04,912 --> 01:17:07,247 You know, 'cause it wasn't considered, at that time, 1551 01:17:07,415 --> 01:17:10,875 to be a bad thing... for a while. 1552 01:17:16,007 --> 01:17:17,173 He's got a beautiful backswing. 1553 01:17:17,341 --> 01:17:19,426 That's... Oh, he got all of that one! 1554 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,303 Judd Apatow: I remember when Caddyshack came out, 1555 01:17:21,470 --> 01:17:22,804 Newsday gave it two and a half stars, 1556 01:17:22,972 --> 01:17:25,974 and I'm like, "What? This is like the best movie ever!" 1557 01:17:26,142 --> 01:17:28,643 Caddyshack is not about the Mikado's daughter-in-law elect. 1558 01:17:28,811 --> 01:17:31,396 It's about as rotten a movie as has slopped the screen this summer. 1559 01:17:33,899 --> 01:17:34,983 Tim Matheson: Doug was very distraught 1560 01:17:35,151 --> 01:17:37,819 and upset that Caddyshack wasn't as big as Animal House. 1561 01:17:37,987 --> 01:17:39,529 I said, "Jeez, you know, Animal House is a homerun. 1562 01:17:39,697 --> 01:17:42,699 So let's just say Caddyshack is a double or a triple. But who cares?" 1563 01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:44,409 Chevy Chase: But I was at Dangerfield's 1564 01:17:44,577 --> 01:17:46,244 with Billy and maybe Harold 1565 01:17:46,412 --> 01:17:49,789 promoting the picture and somebody came up to me after 1566 01:17:49,957 --> 01:17:52,000 and he said, "You know, Doug is really..." 1567 01:17:52,168 --> 01:17:55,295 And I could see that Doug was like asleep on a table 1568 01:17:55,463 --> 01:17:59,174 back there starting to get loaded at noon or whatever. 1569 01:17:59,342 --> 01:18:01,593 I had seen him depressed before but this was like 1570 01:18:01,761 --> 01:18:04,262 he had achieved a level of depression that was impressive 1571 01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:06,431 to me and I'm good at being depressed. 1572 01:18:06,766 --> 01:18:08,099 And it was about the movie. 1573 01:18:09,310 --> 01:18:12,771 He'd spent a year and a half of his life or something on this thing 1574 01:18:12,938 --> 01:18:17,067 and what I got is like a talking gopher for Christ's sake. 1575 01:18:19,403 --> 01:18:23,156 It actually did fine, it kind of hit the mark a lot of films do. 1576 01:18:23,491 --> 01:18:25,033 It just wasn't his mark. 1577 01:18:25,326 --> 01:18:28,703 So I guess that's probably part of what happened to Doug, 1578 01:18:28,871 --> 01:18:30,789 just feeling it should have done better... 1579 01:18:32,750 --> 01:18:33,917 ...he could have done better. 1580 01:18:37,254 --> 01:18:39,255 Sean Kelly: At that point the magazine was on the skids 1581 01:18:39,632 --> 01:18:40,924 in terms of its sales, 1582 01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:43,927 and it was believed by management 1583 01:18:44,095 --> 01:18:49,808 that the way to get it back to being a best-seller was to have more tits. 1584 01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:54,062 ♪ (rock music plays) ♪ 1585 01:18:56,899 --> 01:18:59,984 Al Jean: They had this mandate that every sixth issue or second issue 1586 01:19:00,152 --> 01:19:02,445 or every issue had to be a sex issue. 1587 01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:11,204 And we couldn't afford B-List tits. 1588 01:19:11,455 --> 01:19:14,290 We had like D and E-List tits. 1589 01:19:16,085 --> 01:19:17,919 And the more tits and ass we put on the cover, 1590 01:19:18,087 --> 01:19:20,964 the more 7-11's and everybody put it under the counter 1591 01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:22,507 so it didn't matter what was on the cover. 1592 01:19:27,179 --> 01:19:29,848 Then the phone rang and they said, "Do you want to quit 1593 01:19:30,015 --> 01:19:31,433 your job and come to Hollywood?" 1594 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,476 And we said, "Yes, who is this?" 1595 01:19:33,727 --> 01:19:37,105 The kids left to go write The Simpsons 1596 01:19:37,356 --> 01:19:39,190 and every other thing that's huge. 1597 01:19:39,358 --> 01:19:41,443 We were in something of a death spiral. 1598 01:19:46,574 --> 01:19:48,825 Chris Miller: I was working on a movie called Club Sandwich. 1599 01:19:48,993 --> 01:19:50,910 We had to have a meeting with our producers 1600 01:19:51,078 --> 01:19:54,914 and that was Michael Shamberg and Allen Greisman and Doug. 1601 01:19:55,082 --> 01:19:56,332 And in comes Doug, 1602 01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:59,127 and behind him comes this coke dealer. 1603 01:19:59,795 --> 01:20:03,423 And, um, Doug says, "I'll be right with you guys!" 1604 01:20:04,133 --> 01:20:08,678 He lays a rail of this coke along his arm, and he goes... 1605 01:20:08,846 --> 01:20:10,013 (snorting) 1606 01:20:10,181 --> 01:20:12,599 And the entire amount of cocaine goes up his nose. 1607 01:20:12,850 --> 01:20:15,185 And then he says, "Okay, we're having a meeting now?" 1608 01:20:15,352 --> 01:20:16,603 And, uh... 1609 01:20:17,146 --> 01:20:21,149 I had been as big a drug abuser as anybody, 1610 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,651 and I had hung around with Doug a lot. 1611 01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:27,155 I had never seen Doug do something like that at 9:00 a.m. 1612 01:20:27,406 --> 01:20:29,407 when a business meeting was about to be held. 1613 01:20:30,242 --> 01:20:31,993 Tim Matheson: You know Hollywood is one of those things. 1614 01:20:32,161 --> 01:20:34,370 They don't care what you do. 1615 01:20:35,122 --> 01:20:37,916 Just as long as you show up to work and you're okay then. 1616 01:20:38,083 --> 01:20:40,668 Whatever you do on your own time, that's what you do on your own time. 1617 01:20:41,712 --> 01:20:42,837 (phone ringing) 1618 01:20:43,005 --> 01:20:45,340 Man: Hello, this is a recorded message 1619 01:20:45,508 --> 01:20:47,675 from your suicide prevention phone. 1620 01:20:48,135 --> 01:20:50,345 Now first of all why not stop, 1621 01:20:50,554 --> 01:20:53,348 take a deep breath and think for a minute. 1622 01:20:53,599 --> 01:20:55,850 Can things really be all that bad? 1623 01:20:56,602 --> 01:20:59,687 Sure, the road of life can be pretty bumpy sometimes 1624 01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:04,150 but isn't that just part in parcel of that rich tapestry we call living? 1625 01:21:04,318 --> 01:21:05,360 - (gunshot) - (gasp and thud) 1626 01:21:05,528 --> 01:21:07,946 You know, a wise man once said, 1627 01:21:08,113 --> 01:21:10,907 "Today is the first day of the rest of your life." 1628 01:21:20,251 --> 01:21:22,043 Peter Kleinman: I mean, you know, I'm not a doctor 1629 01:21:22,211 --> 01:21:24,212 but I guess Doug was an addict. 1630 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,674 He had the disease of addiction, right? 1631 01:21:28,133 --> 01:21:30,343 Doug couldn't not be high. 1632 01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:34,013 Coming out to L.A. was very bad for Doug, I think. 1633 01:21:34,181 --> 01:21:37,058 The cocaine out here was everywhere and, uh... 1634 01:21:38,561 --> 01:21:40,895 Doug just went for it, uh... 1635 01:21:42,106 --> 01:21:45,567 as hard as anybody has ever gone for it. 1636 01:21:49,488 --> 01:21:53,825 Doug wasn't... He wasn't as happy 1637 01:21:53,951 --> 01:21:58,705 as I thought I might be if I had, you know, 1638 01:21:59,248 --> 01:22:00,999 that kind of success 1639 01:22:01,208 --> 01:22:04,252 and that kind of notoriety and money. 1640 01:22:05,421 --> 01:22:08,298 He was sort of, an emptiness, 1641 01:22:08,924 --> 01:22:10,967 like, there was like a sadness. 1642 01:22:11,594 --> 01:22:12,719 He was having trouble. 1643 01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:15,638 And they said, you know, take him away, or... 1644 01:22:15,806 --> 01:22:17,140 for a week or something. 1645 01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:19,642 So Doug and I went off together. 1646 01:22:19,810 --> 01:22:21,853 I took him to Hawaii. 1647 01:22:22,396 --> 01:22:26,190 I think that he and Chevy were, at that time, um... 1648 01:22:27,067 --> 01:22:29,152 battling their attraction to drugs. 1649 01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:32,655 I remember at one point we were at the hotel 1650 01:22:32,823 --> 01:22:35,283 on Maui on like the 15th floor. 1651 01:22:37,453 --> 01:22:38,953 I went to his room, and I told him 1652 01:22:39,121 --> 01:22:42,415 I just couldn't take it anymore, I was so depressed. 1653 01:22:44,293 --> 01:22:46,794 Then I went back to my room and I took my boots off 1654 01:22:46,962 --> 01:22:51,549 and left them right by the fence, the terrace, 1655 01:22:51,759 --> 01:22:54,302 and then just went, "I got, uh, ah!" 1656 01:22:55,387 --> 01:22:59,974 The sound of somebody falling from the terrace or jumping. 1657 01:23:00,517 --> 01:23:02,644 And he came running and, of course, I'm hiding 1658 01:23:03,729 --> 01:23:06,022 and for a second he really actually looked. 1659 01:23:07,024 --> 01:23:08,524 (chuckling) 1660 01:23:14,782 --> 01:23:16,324 I'm telling you all this about Doug 1661 01:23:16,492 --> 01:23:18,868 because I miss him very much, he was my best friend. 1662 01:23:25,959 --> 01:23:27,794 I had to come back to work finally, 1663 01:23:28,003 --> 01:23:30,380 back to California, and I left him in Hawaii. 1664 01:23:30,881 --> 01:23:36,678 I got a call from Doug's girlfriend, um... 1665 01:23:36,845 --> 01:23:37,845 (clearing throat) 1666 01:23:38,055 --> 01:23:40,807 And he was missing and did I know where he was 1667 01:23:40,974 --> 01:23:42,225 and I had no idea. 1668 01:23:42,393 --> 01:23:45,269 One day I was talking to him and the next day he was missing. 1669 01:23:50,234 --> 01:23:53,736 Doug being missing wasn't that unusual 1670 01:23:53,904 --> 01:23:56,114 but this time it didn't feel right. 1671 01:23:56,657 --> 01:23:58,074 I flew back out. 1672 01:23:58,242 --> 01:23:59,992 We found Doug but he was at the bottom of 1673 01:24:00,786 --> 01:24:03,454 what they call the Grand Canyon in Kauai. 1674 01:24:20,764 --> 01:24:22,265 John Weidman: I don't want to suggest for a minute 1675 01:24:22,433 --> 01:24:24,308 that what happened to Doug was expected. 1676 01:24:24,476 --> 01:24:26,102 It was awful when I got the news, 1677 01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:32,984 but it was not entirely incompatible with the life he had been living. 1678 01:24:34,069 --> 01:24:38,197 It was a tragic loss. He was the first person I knew 1679 01:24:38,365 --> 01:24:39,907 that I considered a drug casualty. 1680 01:24:40,617 --> 01:24:42,869 John Landis: Was he stoned and fell off the cliff? 1681 01:24:43,203 --> 01:24:46,414 Was he suicidal and jumped off the cliff? 1682 01:24:46,832 --> 01:24:48,833 Or was he in fact murdered in a drug deal, 1683 01:24:49,001 --> 01:24:50,376 which is what a lot of people think. 1684 01:24:50,753 --> 01:24:53,379 They said that there was a sign at the cliff where he died, 1685 01:24:53,547 --> 01:24:54,756 that said, "Do not go beyond this point." 1686 01:24:55,257 --> 01:24:59,302 And as soon as I heard that I just saw Doug read it and say 1687 01:24:59,470 --> 01:25:00,595 "You mean here?" 1688 01:25:04,641 --> 01:25:06,476 He wrote me a chatty letter from Hawaii, 1689 01:25:06,643 --> 01:25:09,020 and told me he looked forward to seeing me when he came to L.A. 1690 01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:10,521 He wanted to talk about something. 1691 01:25:11,315 --> 01:25:12,940 So I don't think he was... 1692 01:25:13,776 --> 01:25:15,151 I don't think he killed himself. 1693 01:25:15,319 --> 01:25:18,404 He was never a guy to take his life. 1694 01:25:19,072 --> 01:25:24,076 And having thought about it all this time over the years, 1695 01:25:24,745 --> 01:25:27,371 I think that he... he slipped. 1696 01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:29,040 Which is stupid. 1697 01:25:29,958 --> 01:25:35,505 And, um... uh, it killed him. So... that was that. 1698 01:25:39,092 --> 01:25:42,512 I've heard every version of this and I have no idea. 1699 01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:46,057 Chris Miller very brilliantly said, 1700 01:25:46,809 --> 01:25:50,353 "Doug was looking for a better place to jump from when he slipped." 1701 01:25:51,396 --> 01:25:54,649 (laughing) 1702 01:26:11,291 --> 01:26:12,416 Henry Beard: Had he lived, 1703 01:26:12,626 --> 01:26:14,961 Doug Kenney would have been kind of force 1704 01:26:15,128 --> 01:26:17,046 in American movie making, directorial force 1705 01:26:17,214 --> 01:26:19,674 that John Hughes was, the kind of movies he made. 1706 01:26:19,842 --> 01:26:21,259 Dad, whoa! 1707 01:26:21,385 --> 01:26:22,593 ♪ Walley World! ♪ 1708 01:26:24,596 --> 01:26:27,974 Matty Simmons: John Hughes wrote the short story Vacation '58. 1709 01:26:28,267 --> 01:26:29,225 I called him in, and I said, 1710 01:26:29,393 --> 01:26:31,018 "John, I'm gonna make a movie of this." 1711 01:26:31,436 --> 01:26:32,562 (tires screeching) 1712 01:26:34,606 --> 01:26:36,399 I think you're all fucked in the head. 1713 01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:39,819 We're ten hours from the fucking fun park and you wanna bail out! 1714 01:26:39,987 --> 01:26:42,697 Judd Apatow: Vacation was my family. I went on those trips, 1715 01:26:42,865 --> 01:26:46,450 and it was that heinous, you know, every single time. 1716 01:26:46,618 --> 01:26:48,411 Chevy: We're all gonna have so much fucking fun 1717 01:26:48,579 --> 01:26:51,205 we'll need plastic surgery to remove our goddamn smiles. 1718 01:26:51,665 --> 01:26:54,542 You'll be whistling Zip-a-Dee- Doo-Dah out of your assholes! 1719 01:26:55,502 --> 01:26:56,502 (laughing) 1720 01:26:56,670 --> 01:26:58,170 It was rated R! 1721 01:26:58,422 --> 01:27:01,549 Dogs are being killed, adultery is being flaunted. 1722 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:06,512 There's elderly abuse, incest, masturbation, kidnapping. 1723 01:27:06,722 --> 01:27:09,307 That's a lot of stuff that you wouldn't think of as 1724 01:27:09,474 --> 01:27:14,562 being present in what has become like a beloved family film. 1725 01:27:15,606 --> 01:27:18,149 - Good talk, son. - Good talk, Dad. 1726 01:27:18,817 --> 01:27:21,694 I think Matty said something like, "Well, this is National Lampoon." 1727 01:27:25,115 --> 01:27:26,991 Peter Kleinman: If there was a golden age, 1728 01:27:27,242 --> 01:27:29,952 and a silver age, and a platinum age, 1729 01:27:30,370 --> 01:27:33,414 this would probably be the moldy rye bread age 1730 01:27:33,624 --> 01:27:34,999 of the National Lampoon. 1731 01:27:38,378 --> 01:27:41,005 We were doing this horror and fantasy issue 1732 01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:43,382 and we were trying to come up with the most horrible, 1733 01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:45,009 gruesome, funny ideas. 1734 01:27:45,344 --> 01:27:48,346 And I said, "What about a baby in a blender?" 1735 01:27:48,513 --> 01:27:51,390 And everybody was like, "Aah, that's so funny, baby in a blender!" 1736 01:27:54,645 --> 01:27:58,606 There was supposed to be a satire of a famous old saying 1737 01:27:58,774 --> 01:28:00,858 that went something like, 1738 01:28:01,026 --> 01:28:03,110 "It's a worse mess than a baby in a blender." 1739 01:28:03,278 --> 01:28:05,446 So, we decided we would do it. 1740 01:28:05,614 --> 01:28:09,700 And I took a picture of a baby crying and took a picture of a blender 1741 01:28:09,868 --> 01:28:11,702 and we actually stripped them together 1742 01:28:11,787 --> 01:28:13,829 so it looked like the baby was in the blender. 1743 01:28:13,997 --> 01:28:17,625 And we put Satan's finger on the puree button. 1744 01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:23,673 Matty Simmons: There was a group called the Christian Coalition 1745 01:28:23,757 --> 01:28:25,841 which hated us because we made fun of groups 1746 01:28:26,009 --> 01:28:27,468 like the Christian Coalition. 1747 01:28:29,638 --> 01:28:32,848 They organized a group of right wing zealots 1748 01:28:33,016 --> 01:28:34,016 and they sent letters around 1749 01:28:34,184 --> 01:28:36,811 and we lost almost all our national advertising. 1750 01:28:42,651 --> 01:28:46,612 And it went downhill from there, and I'm gonna end it on that note. 1751 01:28:54,454 --> 01:28:56,539 ♪ (David Bowie "Changes" plays) ♪ 1752 01:29:12,431 --> 01:29:14,390 The things that happened to us when we are young 1753 01:29:14,558 --> 01:29:17,268 just seem so much more important than other things 1754 01:29:17,436 --> 01:29:18,853 because they're happening for the first time. 1755 01:29:19,688 --> 01:29:21,105 Anne Beatts: You know, looking backwards 1756 01:29:21,273 --> 01:29:22,940 is always a dangerous position. 1757 01:29:23,108 --> 01:29:24,859 You could really throw your neck out, 1758 01:29:25,027 --> 01:29:26,902 but when I do look back at all of this, 1759 01:29:27,112 --> 01:29:28,154 I feel lucky. 1760 01:29:29,364 --> 01:29:31,073 Ivan Reitman: The National Lampoon really changed my life. 1761 01:29:31,241 --> 01:29:33,743 It introduced me to this extraordinary group of performers 1762 01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:37,705 that were really the finest comedic actors of their generation. 1763 01:29:40,667 --> 01:29:42,793 Tony Hendra: Some people might think this is an egregious comparison, 1764 01:29:42,961 --> 01:29:46,756 but I would say that my years at the Lampoon, um, 1765 01:29:47,090 --> 01:29:49,592 were not unlike the Paris of the twenties 1766 01:29:49,843 --> 01:29:52,386 that Hemingway describes in A Moveable Feast. 1767 01:29:52,637 --> 01:29:56,432 Wherever two or more Lampoon people got together 1768 01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,310 in those years, something explosive happened. 1769 01:30:03,857 --> 01:30:06,859 Janis Hirsch: I felt like I snuck in some magical clubhouse. 1770 01:30:07,486 --> 01:30:09,570 With those people there, you knew you were never 1771 01:30:09,696 --> 01:30:11,030 going to see people like that again. 1772 01:30:13,241 --> 01:30:14,575 Sean Kelly: At the end of the year 1773 01:30:14,743 --> 01:30:16,869 when I'm talking to students who are about to graduate, 1774 01:30:17,037 --> 01:30:21,540 I say I wish them, that they get maybe five years 1775 01:30:21,708 --> 01:30:23,375 in their whole working lives 1776 01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:25,795 like the five years I got, 1777 01:30:25,962 --> 01:30:29,298 where you're doing something, frankly, you would pay to do, 1778 01:30:29,883 --> 01:30:31,509 except you're getting paid to do it. 1779 01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:38,849 Henry Beard: It's a time of dial telephone. 1780 01:30:39,017 --> 01:30:40,851 There's no Internet, there's no computers. 1781 01:30:41,019 --> 01:30:43,062 There wasn't that much that was shared, 1782 01:30:43,355 --> 01:30:45,648 but what was shared was shared by everybody. 1783 01:30:45,816 --> 01:30:48,192 They absolutely had everything in common 1784 01:30:48,401 --> 01:30:50,444 and in a way that never will happen again. 1785 01:30:50,821 --> 01:30:52,238 Michael Gross: I'm just so super proud 1786 01:30:52,405 --> 01:30:55,533 of that period of our life, not to mention blessed. 1787 01:30:56,576 --> 01:31:01,122 I somehow was part of the greatest band of an era. 1788 01:31:06,670 --> 01:31:09,380 Really what is important, I think, is just those people. 1789 01:31:11,883 --> 01:31:14,677 They became all of modern comedy. 1790 01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:17,263 ♪ (music continues) ♪ 1791 01:31:50,505 --> 01:31:53,757 Doug always had a predilection for sticking his dick in girls' ears. 1792 01:31:54,134 --> 01:31:57,469 Uh, it was something that he would surprise everybody 1793 01:31:57,637 --> 01:32:00,389 by doing in the middle of a cocktail party or something. 1794 01:32:00,557 --> 01:32:03,309 There would be Doug with his dick in some girl's ear. 1795 01:32:03,643 --> 01:32:07,771 And he used to say to me, "Chris, I hope that somehow 1796 01:32:08,023 --> 01:32:11,233 I'll go to heaven and I'll be able to stick my dick 1797 01:32:11,401 --> 01:32:13,027 in the ear of Eleanor Roosevelt." 1798 01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:17,406 And so when Doug died, I figured he definitely got into heaven 1799 01:32:17,574 --> 01:32:20,242 and probably, probably even right now, 1800 01:32:20,410 --> 01:32:22,828 he's sticking his dick in the ear of Eleanor Roosevelt. 1801 01:32:24,873 --> 01:32:28,709 ♪ (Lindsay Buckingham "Holiday Road" plays) ♪ 1802 01:34:29,247 --> 01:34:31,123 (dog barking to beat) 1803 01:34:33,418 --> 01:34:35,878 (indistinct chatter) 1804 01:34:37,589 --> 01:34:39,548 (squeaking) 1805 01:34:44,804 --> 01:34:46,722 Man: (in Scottish accent) You've been listening to 1806 01:34:46,890 --> 01:34:49,683 The National Lampoon Radio Hour. 141484

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