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This was
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my very first day on
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a murder team in the Met police
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and I got the call to say,
'looks like there may be
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a job in Paddington
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down near marble arch'.
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It was Colin Sutton's
first day in the office
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and Colin said.
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'Dave, we've got a call,
we're ready now' it was as quick as that
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It was a funny sort of situation that da
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because we were quite literally thrown i
at the deep end.
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We go to the scene
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of what we were told was a missing lady
hadn't been seen for a few days.
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This particular case
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was a very good job
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in terms of involving proper
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detective work.
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It gave me
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an opportunity to see most
of the members of my team
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in action for real
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it was really just what I needed
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at the very start of my
career with my new team.
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Colin Sutton
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was a detective chief inspector
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and senior investigating officer
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in Metropolitan police.
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He led the investigations
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into some of the most complex
and high-profile cases ever
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bringing dangerous criminals to justice.
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In this series
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he will take you inside those cases
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and show you how he caught these crimina
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using nothing but pure detective work
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this is the Real Manhunter.
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When I joined the police
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I had no idea what specialism I
wanted to do I just thought, you know.
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I wanted to be a policeman I wanted
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to be in uniform and run around
chasing people and driving after people
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catching criminals and helping people,
and all the other things you do.
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What I did know or thought I knew is
that I didn't want to be a detective.
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It all kind of changed
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the very first time I went into a room w
there was a murder squad in operation.
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I just thought, 'that's actually a reall
good job that is I quite fancy doing tha
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It was just a hopeless dream at the time
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I never thought it would actually happen
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and I was on a different career path
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completely which meant a
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quick promotion to at least inspector
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and working in uniform,
and I did all that.
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Then I got the chance to be a detective.
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On the first day I met Colin
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I immediately realised that
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here was a man that was very warm and
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friendly, and he was in a
raincoat, a smart suit
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and shiny leather shoes which policemen
always have.
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I was probably in scutches
which journalists always have.
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He's jovial
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he's intelligent, he's a fair man and
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he doesn't let himself be led by peer pr
he's someone who is his own individual c
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I've always found him to be fair
and sensible and straight forward.
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He was a good boss.
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Colin and I, and other reporters
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built up a good relationship
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one of trust and I suppose understanding
for each other's different roles.
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Colin Sutton
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joined the murder team that I was on at
and it was the first time I'd ever met C
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Colin is a nice guy, he's very personabl
very down to earth
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and he is, or was, what I would call
a collaborative manager so at my level
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at DC level, it was refreshing
to have a DCI who would
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talk to you about anything
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and you could go to him about anything
and there wouldn't be any heirs or grace
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He was quite a character.
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I first met Colin Sutton
when he was addressing the team
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he introduced himself in what I
would consider to be a humble way
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he seemed relaxed.
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We were a strong, capable group
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of detectives and police staff and.
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I think it enabled us to
hit the ground running.
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On the 3rd of January 2003
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that was my first day
with my new murder team
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at Barnes in South West London
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on the western part of the homicide
and serious crime command.
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And although I had been senior
investigating officer on a few other
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cases when I was serving with other forc
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this was the first time I had
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a team that was dedicated
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to only doing serious crime all the time
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and I knew that in that respect
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most of my team had more
experience than I did.
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So It was something I approached with
a little bit of apprehension
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I wanted to make sure that I
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did it well and that I could
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prove to the team that they could trust
same as I was going to have to watch the
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if they I could trust them.
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I went in that day and was sort
of introducing myself to
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the members of the team and talking
and they were talking me through
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a few of the current
outstanding investigations.
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About half past 1 in the afternoon
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I got a phone call from the main
office for the homicide group and
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they said,
'your team is now in the frame'.
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At that time.
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Colin was so brand new
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actually I remember Colin remarking.
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I think that day, he
said, 'I'm a lucky cop
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everything I do, I get lucky'.
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When a job comes in, usually
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a call will come in via
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certainly in that era
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would have come in usually to one
of the DI's or to Colin direct
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saying there is a case,
there is a potential murder
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and wherever that case is
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we would send out a core
team, a core role team
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to the scene
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which would involve exhibits officers
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house to house inquiry team.
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CCTV teams
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just to really start the ball rolling to
of gather as much evidence as we possibl
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in particularly the first hour which
is really important.
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It was a funny sort of situation that da
in some ways
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because we were quite literally thrown
in the deep end.
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I didn't have time to sit down
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and talk to each one of
the officers and find out
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what they thought about
things and how they worked.
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I had just about moved
my things into the office
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and we were out on a job.
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I suppose in some ways
I didn't really know
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how best to deal with it
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do I send somebody to
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to have a look and report back to me or
what would they be expecting me to do?
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I thought, well, it can't really
do any harm if I'm there can it?
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Because if I'm there making
decisions on the scene then
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it's probably the best
way to do it so I grabbed
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a handful of officers and
said let's go take a look.
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We very quickly have
to step into a professional manner
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and off we went, in our various roles
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my brother was exhibits and I was part o
a general team
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who were combing the area for CCTV
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and other bits and pieces we had to do.
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First thing would have been to identify
any potential witnesses.
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Is 92-year-old lady
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who had been missing from her flat at.
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Lanchester Court for
the best part of a week.
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So, I came down here with
some of the members of my team
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we met the local police
and a local DI here
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and he told us this
woman was Bridie Skehan.
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She was a colourful character
an interesting character
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she had quite a life.
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During the 2nd world war, she had worked
at the American embassy
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and after that she became
an interior designer.
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She had a love for big,
sort of ostentatious American cars.
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She kind of led a life with the
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party set and money set in London
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and was something of a
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socialite, a sort of celebrity.
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Bridie had been married
at some point of her life
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but it didn't work out, she was divorced
and she lived alone for many years.
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Now in her 90s she lived here
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she had a flat,
she rented out rooms in it to lodgers
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one of the lodgers came back from
Christmas with his family while we were
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in the premises and he
started talking to us and
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he told us Bridie had last been
seen by Molly who was her neighbour
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who lived opposite.
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She had been missing for
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around about a week
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and obviously with her age,
92, you can understand why
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the local police and indeed her lodger a
Molly her friend were fearful for her sa
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We got talking to them and they
told us there were two other lodgers
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a couple, a Filipino woman
and a Middle Eastern man
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who weren't here
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but they should have been here, they wer
to be staying in the flat all over Chris
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A pillar of the local catholic community
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in that area
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a woman who was reasonably well off
who had close friends.
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There was no earthly reason for her to g
missing at this time in these circumstan
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We went to the ground floor flat
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and we made inquiries with the lady
who lived opposite a very good friend.
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She told us all about Bridie and that sh
hadn't seen her
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gave us a bit of lifestyle
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and we went into the flat.
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There was a local detective inspector
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from Paddington Green
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and he was telling us what
Molly had told him and
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what the current state of knowledge was.
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Although there
was the mystery of her whereabouts
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at that time
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it would have been quite clear to those
detectives from a very early stage
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that all was not right
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and there was a very good prospect
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that harm had come to Bridie.
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We had a uniformed cop there with us
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a local cop who was looking at the missi
person side.
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So, we went into the kitchen
and as we were talking
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we looked around and
clearly the place was tidy
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we didn't know at the time that it
had been tidied up but it was tidy.
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On the floor.
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I remember seeing what
looked like blood staining
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just on the floor in the
kitchen near the back door.
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Not enough that you're
talking bright red blood but
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you could tell there was something there
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but we couldn't get out the back door
the back door was locked.
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While we were there
one of the lodgers came back.
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He'd been away with his family for Chris
and he had sort of asked what we were do
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and we explained, and he was sort of scr
his head and looking around with us.
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And I saw his sort of
gaze was on some hooks
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in the kitchen and it was clear that the
was something
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that caught his eye, so I said,
'what's wrong what's the matter?'.
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We were having sort of a cursory look ar
the flat and there was nothing obviously
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amiss, no signs of any
struggle or anything
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that would have raised alarm bells but
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while we were there,
one of the lodgers came back
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and he told us that there was a key
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to the shed for the flat
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that ought to have been hanging on a hoo
in the kitchen and it was missing.
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The key moment in this case
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really fell when the detectives were
standing in her kitchen
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and their attention alighted on a key ho
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a key hook missing a key
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a key which eventually unlocked
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this murder investigation.
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I kind of looked at the
local DI and he looked at me
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and we sort of shrugged our shoulders
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because we weren't aware that this
flat had a shed which went with it and
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the lawyer explained that if you go out
to the street and to the end of the bloc
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there was like an archway
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and that took you to sort of
the service alley round behind
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the block of flats and there was sort of
built out houses, they weren't very big
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and some of the flats had one allocated
to them and Bridies flat did.
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By this time
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the weather had become quite foul
and it was snowing really, really heavil
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Given that the key was missing, and we n
knew there was another
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part of the premises that hadn't been se
we thought we better go around and do it
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We went back out to the street, walked
around the building and ended up here
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in the alley behind Lanchester Court.
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At the time it was thick with snow
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and we went to the shed and of course it
was locked and we didn't have the key.
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On the floor
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on the concrete step, in and around.
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I saw what I thought was blood again
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you can't be sure,
obviously without testing it but
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there looked like there
was blood on the inside
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there wasn't literally a blood trail
but it looked like blood
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couldn't be sure,
but we decided we were going to go in.
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Dave Leach put his shoulder against
the door and very quickly we were in.
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Through some torch light we
could see a lot of clutter.
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As is the case with
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all potential crime scenes you try to
limit the number of people going in.
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Colin stayed at the door
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and I went in, I had a torch
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and as I went in.
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I could see a large television box.
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Over at the far wall was
this big cardboard box.
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At the very bottom
corner of the television box
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there was what looked like blood stainin
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There was a quadrant at the bottom corne
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that was a dark red and brown color
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and it looked like
something had leaked onto it
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and it was very ominous.
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So, Dave Leach put his suit on
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and went in and very
carefully, with a scalpel
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just cut away enough of this reddened ar
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so we could see inside the box.
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I had a torch in one
hand, and I was on my knees
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and I just cut the corner of the box out
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We shone a bright torch on
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and we saw this fine
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silvery hair which was Bridies head.
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As you can imagine
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from that point in
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we knew it was a murder scene
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and he needed to get the team down here
that meant local inquiries, CCTV retriev
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whatever route Colin was deciding to go
at that stage.
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He really had to just allow
the team to do its job.
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Because he he'd newly
arrived, he would have had no
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concept of
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people's capability,
who was strong in which department.
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And for him
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and what he did particularly well was to
sit there and
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allow the DIs and DSs
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to divide the roles amongst the detectiv
who were there
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at the time and his role
really was to be strategic
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and to concentrate his resources on area
he felt would be important.
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We waited then,
went outside, spoke to Colin.
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I've got the team on standby, I've got
them all racing down to where we were.
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When the crime scene coordinator turned
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we then removed everything from
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that particular box and then
we, in an effort to preserve
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the tape
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we then cut around the box
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with a scalpel and lifted the box off
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and then we removed some
material from inside
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and then in a kind of foetal position
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dressed in a dressing gown from memory
was the old lady
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who even from the first look had clearly
been beaten.
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And then we removed the body, and the bo
was taken away.
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We would have managed that
scene very tightly and very very
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quickly and identified prime suspects
pretty quickly.
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The last time.
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Bridie was seen was when she went with
Molly her friend from the adjacent flat
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and they'd been to
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midnight mass at Westminster Cathedral
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and they'd walked back
from midnight mass together
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and that was the last time Molly saw her
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She was reported missing in between
Christmas and New Year by Molly
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and we had now got to
the 3rd of January, so
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it was getting on to 10 days that Bridie
hadn't been seen.
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One of the things that
Molly was able to tell us
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was something about what
was going on in the flat
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prior to Christmas.
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Bridie supplemented her
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pretty low income really by having lodge
in her big flat with her.
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Bridie lived in her flat with a lodger w
was a lawyer
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another lodger that was an accountant
and then she had two
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other lodgers who were kind of a couple
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and they'd been there for a few months.
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The woman was called Nimpha Ong and
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the man of the couple was
called Ahmed Al Haddad.
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The lady gave us a bit of
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a flavour for who they were and what
age, etc they were.
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I believe she was about 49
from memory and he was 24.
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It's an unusual age gap.
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She was described as the dominant force
in the relationship
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and he would basically do as he was told
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Just a young impressionable kind of guy
middle eastern
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and she was, I believe
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from the Philippines.
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Once we knew
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the circumstances of
the tenancy and all that
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they became our prime suspects right awa
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It was a four bedroom flat
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the lawyer lived in one bedroom
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the accountant in another
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and in theory,
Ong and Al Haddad had a bedroom each
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but what was happening was
that Ong and Al Haddad were
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mostly always sharing a
bed, or sharing a bedroom.
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And this kind of upset Bridie because
of her morality and she didn't want
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sort of two people unmarried people livi
under her roof.
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In fact.
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Bridie who owned the flat had taken, bec
this to sleeping on the sofa in the livi
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And they'd had words
about it and ultimately.
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Bridie had asked them to leave the flat
not to come back to it after Christmas.
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The old lady opposite
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didn't speak fondly of them at all and
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was quite openly saying that she thinks
they were the ones that killed poor Brid
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She told me there was about 45-50 thousa
pounds hidden around the flat.
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The team found money everywhere
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under the carpet
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in the settee, under the cushions,
they were finding wads of money everywhe
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and in the hallway
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wrapped up in a towel
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in the airing cupboard
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was a little safe with the bill
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about 50 thousand pounds in cash.
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Everybody had disappeared from the flat
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there was nobody,
none of the lodgers were there.
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They'd gone back home for
Christmas and likewise.
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Al Haddad and Ong were not there.
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From that point resources would had gone
into finding the people
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who were our prime suspects and in parti
that job did develop into a manhunt.
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In the early hours of the morning.
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Colin had given some instructions that t
made some inquiries and they'd found a b
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who lived not far away
off the Edgware road.
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Several cars arrived
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and we were going to go and make inquiri
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with the brother to see what he knew abo
his brother
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and where he was or where
he could potentially be.
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Trying to find the missing lodgers
Nimpha Ong and Ahmed Al Haddad.
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We came here to these
flats because that's where.
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Al Haddad's brother was meant to live an
we thought that he might
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or they might have gone
and fled to stay with him.
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We came and knocked on
the door and got no reply
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and by this time it was
half past 1 in the morning
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the team had been working all day
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and I thought the best thing we could pr
do was go home and re group in the morni
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And were just by the police car here
organising that and
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a man came around the corner down here.
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One of the officers, he said
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'that bloke there looks
a bit like Al Haddad'
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it was a bit of stretch
really, a bit of a punt
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because with all the people walking arou
in Central London
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he went over to him and went
'are you Ahmed Al Haddad'
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and the man said 'No, I'm not,
I'm his brother but he is just behind me
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and there was our suspect walking
around the corner
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and it was quite remarkable because
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in an effort, he said later to
disguise himself he had dyed his hair
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but instead of going blonde, it had gone
sort of orange
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so you had this man with dark skin
an Arab looking man
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with orange hair!
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During the second interview
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he explained that when they
went on the run from London
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they went out to Surrey,
Englefield Green in Surrey
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and his partner, Nimpha Ong had said tha
he stands out
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in Surrey as an Asian man so therefore
he should change his appearance
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so she dyed his hair, at which point
the solicitor said.
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'Yeah and that really worked didn't it?'
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He just stood out like a sore thumb more
anything else it would have done nothing
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That morning when I talked to my team
for the very first time
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I said to them that I wasn't necessarily
sure that I was any good at being an SIO
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but I did seem to be lucky in the past.
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And I think I demonstrated that to them
straight away on the first day because
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I went to talk to this man and there
was Al Haddad he came into view
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and it was quite bizarre.
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My officers spoke to Al Haddad and he wa
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pretty open right from the start.
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To the guys who had him in the
car, he made admissions.
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Unsolicited admissions,
rather than an interview
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they would have asked him a few question
have you been, what have you done', basi
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But what he didn't do, he didn't make an
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direct confession of being involved
directly himself.
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He was there, he was part
of, but he blamed Nimpha Ong.
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He was never going to be.
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'No comment'
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or tell lies or try and
lie his way out of it.
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He was quite open and said
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'yeah, we killed her and it was all
my girlfriends idea'
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and he said that 'my
girlfriend and I fled to
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a house of a friend of hers in Surrey
in a place called Englefield Green'.
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He was promptly put into one of our cars
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so rather than go home
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there was a convoy through the snow
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out to surrey to Englefield Green
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and we went to this modern estate
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and there was a small terraced house the
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where she had a friend who
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spent a lot of time working abroad
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he let her sort of house
sit while he was away.
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She thought that was the ideal place to
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to flee to after they had killed Bridie.
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They were both then arrested at
the Englefield Green address
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and separated then taken back
to the police stations.
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Two suspects are taken
to different police stations
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as is the normal process in that situati
keep them apart.
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Al Haddad was interviewed over two days
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at Richmond Police Station
Myself and another DC did the interviews
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First interview was fairly concise
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he did speak to some extent
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but it was very on
edge, it wasn't detailed
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there was obviously lies and lot a gaps
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in what had gone on.
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The very start, both of them just
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did that effectively
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which is quite common when you get
two handed murders.
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Each said it was the other's idea
the others responsibility and
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no they hadn't had anything
to do with it themselves
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but they'll tell you all about what
their other half did.
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After the first interview he's obviously
telling lies.
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Whilst were undergoing certain processes
we have to do
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i.e. fingerprints, fingernail scrapings
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hair pulling, all of this kind of thing.
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And we're talking to him while he's kind
of having a cigarette
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in the cage out the back
of the police station.
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Now there are procedures
around that process.
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Strictly speaking, are we interviewing
him off tape?
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Are we... all of these kinds of things
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but it's really about
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the police, us, identifying someone
who should tell the truth
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and encouraging that
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and that's what went on in
that little interim period.
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And you can't put that over because
that is a behind the scenes type effort
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to get this man to tell the truth
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it's not arms up his back, it's not shou
in his face it's none of that, it's a
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'you need to tell the truth, your brothe
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is really destroyed by what's gone on he
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you've got a good family,
what are you doing here what's gone on?'
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and he cracks and that's not very often.
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From then on it was about
him playing down his role
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in the murder
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and pushing the main blame if you like
on his partner Nimpha Ong.
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When we started speaking to both of them
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Al Haddad was reasonably open and was
telling us roughly what had happened.
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But he was saying all the
while that it was Nimpha Ong
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his older, more experienced, more cunnin
girlfriend
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who had duped him into
following along with her plans.
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She was saying very little
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she was sort of no commenting and being
non-committal about anything that went o
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She was hard as nails
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point blank, face like steel, unmovable
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no remorse, nothing.
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So,
what we really had to do was to take the
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the bones of what Al
Haddad had been telling us
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and see if we could
find evidence that would
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corroborate the story he gave us.
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Because if that was the case then we cou
corroborate it then we could probably
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prove that.
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Nimpha Ong was the driving force behind
this murder.
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He told us that Ong had been working
for this estate agents in the locality
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and the whole idea of the murder
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was not just that they were fed up that.
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00:27:24,032 --> 00:27:27,002
Bridie had told them they had to leave a
they had nowhere to live
489
00:27:27,767 --> 00:27:33,267
but that Ong was convinced that Bridie h
the deeds to the flat some were in the f
490
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,170
And she thought if they
could get their hands on them
491
00:27:36,432 --> 00:27:40,432
they could use them to procure
some sort of loan or some sort
492
00:27:40,567 --> 00:27:44,767
of financial advantage and disappear int
the sunset together with lot of money.
493
00:27:45,267 --> 00:27:47,197
So that kind of gave us the motive.
494
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:53,032
He told us some facts
about how it had happened.
495
00:27:53,232 --> 00:27:59,202
Essentially he said that they had kind o
jumped onto Bridie
496
00:27:59,333 --> 00:28:03,732
while she was in the house,
and this would have been Boxing Day
497
00:28:03,866 --> 00:28:06,727
and that they had
498
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:11,269
asked her for the deeds for the house
she told them to go away and to get out
499
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,769
and that Al Haddad had
taken her walking stick
500
00:28:16,166 --> 00:28:18,967
and beaten her with it and that was what
had killed her.
501
00:28:19,099 --> 00:28:22,930
Then they had the issue
of disposing of the body
502
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:25,329
so they borrowed this large suitcase.
503
00:28:25,633 --> 00:28:27,202
What that interview did
504
00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:28,833
was that enables us in the police
505
00:28:28,967 --> 00:28:32,826
to identify a number of items that were
really vital to the investigation.
506
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,069
I.e. to contact the exhibits team
507
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,599
at the property to obtain the
walking stick the suitcase
508
00:28:38,866 --> 00:28:40,826
all for forensic examination.
509
00:28:41,032 --> 00:28:42,903
So, I phoned Dave up saying
510
00:28:43,099 --> 00:28:45,369
'you need to get all the walking sticks
in the property
511
00:28:45,633 --> 00:28:50,772
and bag them up, and the suitcase'
and that is a forensic leap forward.
512
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,299
We retrieved the walking stick
513
00:28:52,432 --> 00:28:55,472
and it was clear that there was
a bit of a scene inside the flat
514
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:58,970
where even though it had been tidied up
kind of work out where it had taken plac
515
00:28:59,099 --> 00:29:01,000
But we couldn't find the suitcase.
516
00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:10,403
Ahmed Al Haddad told us
517
00:29:10,532 --> 00:29:12,673
that they'd come here,
he came with Nimpha Ong
518
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,170
to friends in Penfold Street to a flat
519
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,700
and that's where they
borrowed a large suitcase
520
00:29:19,067 --> 00:29:22,027
in which they intended to
dispose of Bridies body.
521
00:29:22,767 --> 00:29:26,826
So, we came here and spoke to those frie
to see if they could substantiate the st
522
00:29:27,467 --> 00:29:29,527
Not only did they corroborate it
523
00:29:29,866 --> 00:29:33,697
but they told us that Al Haddad
and Ong had come here on Boxing Day
524
00:29:33,932 --> 00:29:35,673
had a little bit of a party
525
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:39,569
and as people do with their friends at
Christmas they'd been taking photographs
526
00:29:39,967 --> 00:29:44,926
so before we left, they gave us a roll o
and said 'on there, there should be phot
527
00:29:45,133 --> 00:29:47,532
of our two suspects there on Boxing Day'
528
00:29:48,267 --> 00:29:50,567
When we had that film developed
529
00:29:50,932 --> 00:29:53,932
it was quite ominous
because one of the shots
530
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,029
showed Al Haddad and Ong
with this large suitcase
531
00:29:58,166 --> 00:30:01,626
a suitcase in which they tried to get ri
of Bridies body
532
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:03,700
and in which we found Bridie's blood.
533
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,529
They then phoned for a minicab.
534
00:30:12,967 --> 00:30:15,166
Ong phoned and she specified
535
00:30:15,299 --> 00:30:18,730
they needed an estate car because they h
a lot of luggage
536
00:30:19,166 --> 00:30:21,826
so they were going to move the body
537
00:30:21,967 --> 00:30:24,196
in the suitcase somewhere
538
00:30:24,666 --> 00:30:28,797
but Al Haddad said he didn't know where
the intended destination was.
539
00:30:29,067 --> 00:30:31,696
To try and throw people off the scent
540
00:30:31,833 --> 00:30:35,873
I suppose, instead of ordering the minic
to come to Lanchester Court
541
00:30:36,267 --> 00:30:38,926
she asked for it to come to
Connaught Square round the corner
542
00:30:39,366 --> 00:30:42,926
and the idea was that they would take th
suitcase around there and wait for the m
543
00:30:43,432 --> 00:30:44,603
But there was a problem
544
00:30:45,732 --> 00:30:49,373
as you came out into the
communal hall from Bridies flat
545
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,069
there was a flight of steps
546
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,700
that went upwards to the front door and
then you had to go down to the street.
547
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,670
They put her in the suitcase
548
00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:58,573
and they call a cab
549
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,500
but they couldn't carry the suitcase
if you can imagine even a lady
550
00:31:02,732 --> 00:31:05,732
who is 93 and quite frail
551
00:31:06,467 --> 00:31:09,196
is a dead weight and it's a serious
bit of weight in a suitcase.
552
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:12,303
As they were trying to get it
up this flight of carpeted steps.
553
00:31:12,467 --> 00:31:18,027
Nimpha Ong realised that there was fluid
leaking out of the corner of the suitcas
554
00:31:18,432 --> 00:31:22,202
So, they had to stop and
re-assess their plans because
555
00:31:23,099 --> 00:31:26,470
quite logically it wasn't going to be a
good idea to take a suitcase leaking blo
556
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,170
into a minicab and
trying to escape with it.
557
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,430
So, they took the suitcase
back into the flat
558
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,099
and Ong
559
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,730
thought about the shed outside and thoug
that might be
560
00:31:37,866 --> 00:31:39,567
a place they could hide her.
561
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:45,430
She sent Al Haddad round with the key an
came back and said 'yes, there is a box'
562
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:46,869
They couldn't carry
563
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,500
it so then plan B
564
00:31:48,666 --> 00:31:50,297
'we'll have to put her in a box
565
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,829
put her in the outhouse' I
think the hope there was that
566
00:31:54,099 --> 00:31:56,500
they would make their getaway.
567
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:58,329
So, what they did was
568
00:31:58,467 --> 00:32:00,297
took the suitcase with Bridie
569
00:32:00,432 --> 00:32:02,772
in it around to the back
570
00:32:03,532 --> 00:32:06,472
and transferred her into the.
571
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:08,829
TV box that we found her in.
572
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,329
Then they went to clean up and
they did their best to clean up
573
00:32:13,467 --> 00:32:16,467
the steps with the carpet
on, cleaned up Bridie's flat
574
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,829
and indeed clean up the suitcase
they'd got from their friends.
575
00:32:22,232 --> 00:32:26,633
So, we had a really good chain of
evidence for this we've got the suitcase
576
00:32:26,767 --> 00:32:30,067
it's got Bridies blood in it
and in between times we know
577
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:36,000
that Ong and Al Haddad had it because we
photographic evidence of them standing t
578
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:37,173
with the suitcase.
579
00:32:37,299 --> 00:32:39,630
Everything that we were being told
580
00:32:39,767 --> 00:32:41,497
was standing up and being corroborated
581
00:32:41,633 --> 00:32:44,802
so it was starting to be a good case.
582
00:32:54,299 --> 00:32:56,400
Ahmed Al Haddad and Nimpha Ong
583
00:32:56,532 --> 00:32:59,403
stood trial for the
murder of Bridie Skehan
584
00:32:59,532 --> 00:33:02,272
here at the Inner London crown court.
585
00:33:02,967 --> 00:33:05,166
The trial lasted for a couple of weeks a
586
00:33:05,299 --> 00:33:08,299
throughout it they
blamed each other really.
587
00:33:08,432 --> 00:33:10,303
Each said that it was the other one's id
588
00:33:10,432 --> 00:33:13,732
to kill Bridie and that they
could make some money out of it.
589
00:33:16,067 --> 00:33:18,096
During the trial one of
the things that came out
590
00:33:18,232 --> 00:33:20,873
was this change during
the interview because
591
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,900
it's not very often that happens
592
00:33:23,032 --> 00:33:24,432
and there was this defensive play
593
00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:27,826
if you like, a defensive council
play on the fact that how
594
00:33:28,133 --> 00:33:30,202
how did Mr Al Haddad
595
00:33:30,532 --> 00:33:33,333
go from been giving one story
596
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,099
on one day to a different
story the second day
597
00:33:36,232 --> 00:33:38,202
but it was very well put by our council.
598
00:33:38,333 --> 00:33:41,833
Brian Altman QC who explained that away
as saying 'this is officers
599
00:33:42,133 --> 00:33:45,133
seeking the truth' which is in
effect, what we do
600
00:33:45,666 --> 00:33:47,126
and that is exactly what happened.
601
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,099
As the evidence went on
602
00:33:50,232 --> 00:33:52,272
it was pretty clear that the
603
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,730
major part in the partnership was taken
by Nimpha Ong
604
00:33:55,866 --> 00:33:58,826
she was some 20 years older than him and
605
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,569
she pulled all the strings and I think t
606
00:34:02,232 --> 00:34:03,502
court realised that
607
00:34:03,633 --> 00:34:07,103
although they were both found guilty
of murder eventually
608
00:34:07,532 --> 00:34:11,402
the length of sentence recommendation
was given by the judge
609
00:34:11,766 --> 00:34:14,666
really reflected that Ong, at 49
610
00:34:15,067 --> 00:34:18,597
was the bad influence on the young man.
611
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,099
Al Haddad.
612
00:34:20,932 --> 00:34:22,672
The trial
613
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,043
went very well from the prosecution poin
view everyone was going to get found gui
614
00:34:25,067 --> 00:34:27,927
The prosecuting council really
took them apart to be fair.
615
00:34:28,099 --> 00:34:30,000
Al Haddad in particular was still pleadi
616
00:34:30,132 --> 00:34:32,603
that he was just another young
lady that fell under her spell
617
00:34:32,733 --> 00:34:34,802
she was just hard as nails
618
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,900
and I think that was reflected
in the sentencing in the end.
619
00:34:41,532 --> 00:34:43,532
After the pair were convicted of murder
620
00:34:43,666 --> 00:34:45,427
the judge in sentencing them
621
00:34:45,567 --> 00:34:47,927
remarked that this was a brutal murder
622
00:34:48,067 --> 00:34:51,327
of a vulnerable victim for some sort
of financial gain.
623
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,099
His recommendations reflected the parts
that each had played in the murder.
624
00:34:56,666 --> 00:35:00,467
Ong received a recommendation to serve
for at least 17 years
625
00:35:00,766 --> 00:35:03,726
whereas Al Haddad who was
very much led on by her
626
00:35:04,367 --> 00:35:07,197
the recommendation for him was only 10.
627
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:15,329
He's a murderer
628
00:35:16,699 --> 00:35:18,530
encouraged by Nimpha Ong
629
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,369
no doubt and
630
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:21,800
the whole process was
631
00:35:21,932 --> 00:35:25,202
engineered by Nimpha
Ong for financial gain
632
00:35:25,833 --> 00:35:29,373
but it doesn't excuse what he did.
633
00:35:30,699 --> 00:35:34,170
Ong was the
main driver within the scenario.
634
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:40,469
Al Haddad was accomplice but there must
within that that he was a willing accomp
635
00:35:40,632 --> 00:35:43,233
and he still went along
636
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,070
however you might want to excuse
his actions if anybody did
637
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,030
he still went along with Ong's plan to
638
00:35:50,166 --> 00:35:52,797
get rid of Bridie, get rid of her body
639
00:35:52,932 --> 00:35:54,833
and to try and steal
640
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,369
the deeds to her flat.
641
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:00,869
The sentencing was a real concern to us.
642
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,670
Al Haddad 10 years
643
00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:04,472
and Nimpha Ong 17 years.
644
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,769
We all felt that was too low, given
what they had done to an elderly lady
645
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:09,300
a truly awful crime
646
00:36:09,432 --> 00:36:11,802
and I think that on reflection
647
00:36:11,932 --> 00:36:14,233
the worst part was the
sentencing of the whole case.
648
00:36:14,367 --> 00:36:16,467
It's an appalling
649
00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:18,733
financially motivated crime and.
650
00:36:19,099 --> 00:36:20,500
I think in this era
651
00:36:20,666 --> 00:36:22,266
where sentences are
652
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,429
much harsher where there
is a financial motive
653
00:36:25,666 --> 00:36:27,666
their tariff would be double
654
00:36:28,067 --> 00:36:30,266
actually what they were back then.
655
00:36:32,367 --> 00:36:33,567
She was just
656
00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:38,103
a lady who didn't deserve to
end her long life in that way.
657
00:36:38,666 --> 00:36:44,097
She had let Nimpha Ong into her
home, you know
658
00:36:44,532 --> 00:36:46,972
as a lodger,
to provide her somewhere to live
659
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,230
and because Ong and Al Haddad
660
00:36:50,632 --> 00:36:52,172
wouldn't live their lives
661
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:55,170
under her roof in the way that she wante
she'd asked them to leave
662
00:36:55,632 --> 00:36:58,672
but there wasn't any dramatic
arguing about it she just said 'look
663
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,130
that's not what I like
going on under my roof
664
00:37:01,266 --> 00:37:03,166
so we are going to have to
665
00:37:03,367 --> 00:37:06,067
let you go as it were
and as a result of that.
666
00:37:07,166 --> 00:37:08,396
Ong formed this
667
00:37:08,532 --> 00:37:12,572
murderous plan, this idea to threaten
668
00:37:12,833 --> 00:37:14,833
and offer violence to this old lady
669
00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:20,273
to get some documents that to be honest
she couldn't have done much with anyway.
670
00:37:21,766 --> 00:37:25,726
It was a plan that was always
going to fail in terms of providing
671
00:37:25,867 --> 00:37:28,197
a financial gain for her and Al Haddad
672
00:37:28,432 --> 00:37:33,233
and yet Bridie lost her life for it
and she lost her life in her own home
673
00:37:34,099 --> 00:37:36,969
battered to death with
her own walking stick
674
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:38,599
and then
675
00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:43,532
suffered the indignity of being chucked
into a carboard box to rot really.
676
00:37:44,233 --> 00:37:45,672
I suppose it was almost like a
677
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,369
desecration of her body after killing he
678
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,730
to treat her in such a manner.
679
00:37:50,867 --> 00:37:54,766
At that point of age
having had a blameless life
680
00:37:55,132 --> 00:37:58,072
loved by her friends
681
00:37:59,032 --> 00:38:03,072
by the people in her catholic community
to end up like that
682
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,369
and it was obscene.
683
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:12,630
Poor woman, poor woman, the thought of t
happening to somebody who is 93 is just
684
00:38:13,067 --> 00:38:14,697
Sadly for her
685
00:38:14,833 --> 00:38:18,132
she picked two lodgers which resulted
in her demise which is a
686
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,929
tragic end to somebody who lived a real
687
00:38:22,632 --> 00:38:25,572
a real life, I think,
a real good life in London and I think
688
00:38:25,699 --> 00:38:29,469
the people concerned in her
murder were awful truly awful.
689
00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:38,726
It was a very good job
690
00:38:38,867 --> 00:38:41,126
in terms of involving proper
691
00:38:41,266 --> 00:38:42,726
detective work
692
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:46,099
in this era it's very easy
for us all to assume that
693
00:38:46,233 --> 00:38:49,202
criminal detection is something which is
694
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:51,199
purely forensic based
695
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:55,003
using DNA techniques, fingerprints.
696
00:38:55,132 --> 00:38:59,172
Perhaps there are less opportunities
for detectives
697
00:38:59,467 --> 00:39:04,226
to apply their trade perhaps
in the way they used to before
698
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,800
forensic advances
699
00:39:06,166 --> 00:39:12,067
but this particular case was a good exam
of detectives thinking on their feet
700
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,230
when the opportunity arose
701
00:39:14,532 --> 00:39:17,333
to move in on the case and
702
00:39:17,632 --> 00:39:24,373
in this instance it was in terms of find
the whereabouts, sadly, of Bridie's body
703
00:39:25,867 --> 00:39:27,967
While like in this case
704
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,869
we were lucky because
there were circumstances
705
00:39:32,467 --> 00:39:34,266
that got us over
706
00:39:34,432 --> 00:39:37,132
sort of humps and problems in the eviden
of the case
707
00:39:37,266 --> 00:39:39,297
that meant we could prove it.
708
00:39:39,532 --> 00:39:41,532
I guess that was the kind of thing
709
00:39:41,666 --> 00:39:44,927
the things I meant when I said to the te
710
00:39:45,067 --> 00:39:48,896
that I don't know if I'm any good at bei
an SIO but I'm certainly very lucky at i
711
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,199
Colin says he's a
lucky detective and perhaps he is.
712
00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:55,873
To be fair to him,
I think you make your own luck.
713
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:00,070
And I kind of recognised that in him but
lo and behold, that particular day
714
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,099
on his first day,
we get the call, and we go out.
715
00:40:04,233 --> 00:40:06,032
When they saw that key hook
716
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:07,599
with no key on it
717
00:40:07,699 --> 00:40:09,599
that wasn't anything to do with luck
718
00:40:10,067 --> 00:40:12,567
that was to do with moving in on
719
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,530
solving the case, breaking the case
720
00:40:15,932 --> 00:40:18,873
finding her body and
from that point onwards
721
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,400
once they knew it was
murder, they had her body.
722
00:40:22,867 --> 00:40:25,427
Going backwards, looking at the suspects
723
00:40:25,932 --> 00:40:28,833
immediately moving in
on the right suspects
724
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,429
and literally shaking
725
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,329
the case like a rag doll to bring about
the conclusion of justice.
726
00:40:38,567 --> 00:40:40,327
Fundamentally, in the police
727
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:43,099
we are ordinary people
doing an extraordinary job.
728
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:46,230
When he came to the team, we were all
729
00:40:46,833 --> 00:40:50,402
strong and capable and he didn't want
to mess anything up
730
00:40:50,932 --> 00:40:52,632
and he kept to that mantra
731
00:40:52,967 --> 00:40:55,827
and it's to his credit that he operates
the way he does.
732
00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:59,373
We call come to work because we want
to put really horrible people in prison
733
00:40:59,532 --> 00:41:02,302
that's our job and he
was exactly the same.
734
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Looking back, 10 years on almost
or 15 years on from that moment
735
00:41:08,967 --> 00:41:12,967
I wonder if that luck didn't
kind of grow and work in a
736
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,230
slightly different way and
737
00:41:15,567 --> 00:41:20,396
as well as being quite lucky
in terms of being able to find
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bits of evidence and make cases
739
00:41:23,932 --> 00:41:27,003
the sort of case,
the number of cases and the
740
00:41:27,532 --> 00:41:31,472
sort of high profile cases
that fell into my lap somehow
741
00:41:32,166 --> 00:41:35,197
gave me the opportunity to
742
00:41:36,032 --> 00:41:38,402
to do some work that even most people
743
00:41:38,666 --> 00:41:41,547
in the world of senior investigating
officers don't get the chance to do.
744
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:45,369
And to look at very high profile
745
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:50,670
public, important cases
and important cases
746
00:41:51,099 --> 00:41:54,269
where arresting the suspect actually mea
747
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:58,130
that you saved other people from becomin
his victims
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00:41:58,699 --> 00:42:02,570
and that's kind of almost the
most important work you can do.
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