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[somber music]
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[somber music continues]
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[Adam exhales sharply]
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I am an O-ring expert.
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I worked on the
Solid Rocket Boosters
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for the Space Shuttle
Challenger.
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So you work for NASA?
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No.
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I worked for the company
in Utah
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that was contracted
to build rockets for NASA.
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You work there now?
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No.
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And your responsibilities
were...
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what?
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I was appointed to the
Special Seals Integrity Unit.
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And I would make inspections
for the recovered rockets
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and the rockets
that were ready for launch.
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And on the night in question
during the telecon,
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I made my findings clear.
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Just a moment, please.
We will get to that later.
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During the presidential
commission,
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my colleagues and I
expressed our concern.
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We will get to that later.
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I'm here to bring
a billion-dollar civil suit
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against my company,
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so what do you want to know
right now?
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I'm here to determine
if you are a victim,
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or if you are the cause
of the problem
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before we take your case.
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I'm not the problem.
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You were responsible
for the O-rings, correct?
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Yes.
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Did anyone work for you
or with you?
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What does that matter?
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Because what you are proposing
we do with your case
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won't be like the Presidential
Commission hearings.
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In the Court of Public Opinion,
perception matters.
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Now, was anyone working for you
or with you?
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I didn't have any employees
working for me, so what?
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I'm responsible?
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Didn't take you long
to us get there, did it?
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I'm here to protect you.
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Protect us from what?
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Well, I heard
about what you did,
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which was a great thing.
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You saw something
that concerned you
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and you spoke up about it.
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I'm the one
that tried to stop it.
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The future of the space program
was in our hands.
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And seven lives.
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And seven lives.
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There are gonna be a lot
of accusations,
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a lot of questions,
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but this is our chance, that...
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I mean, our story,
as a team, is heard.
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Did you know that
the Space Shuttle Challenger
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was set to launch
the day before?
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And had it launched,
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everything would have been
perfectly fine.
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If not for a jammed up
door handle
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on the outer hull of the hatch.
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[suspenseful music]
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[suspenseful music continues]
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[beeping]
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[man #1] Yes, sir.
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No, sir.
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Yes, sir, we're working on it.
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Yes, sir.
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There were a lot of factors
that contributed to this.
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In 1986, the space program
was attempting to launch
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24 shuttles a year.
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[man #2] We're really
gonna work on a spaceship
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with a hacksaw?
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[man #3]
Should we get the drill?
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[man #2] I don't know.
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They weren't even getting close.
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The most we got was ten.
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I think they should send Mike
up with the drill.
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You guys sending Mike up?
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It was embarrassing.
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And only added pressure on us
to launch.
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-What'd they say?
-Mike's coming up.
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I'll do it.
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[foreboding music]
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[drill whirring]
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[man #2] Got it.
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Yes, sir. We got it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Okay. Well, I'll let them know,
but I think...
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Yes, sir, I'll let them know.
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What's going on?
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They're pushing launch
to tomorrow.
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Put it back on.
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Okay.
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[drill whirring]
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-Five minutes to finish.
-[Charis] Okay.
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[Mary] Emma!
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Five minutes to get ready.
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Dad makes the rockets?
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No, dummy, he seals them.
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-Don't say "dummy."
-[Charis] Stop!
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Stop. Mom!
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-Stop it.
-[Emma] I'm trying to show her.
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-Stop! Stop!
-The rocket is broken up
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into pieces and he makes sure
they are sealed
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-when they go back together.
-Stop that. Come here.
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[Emma] I was trying to show her.
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Name-calling and bullying
accomplishes nothing.
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But Dad says being right
is what matters.
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Dad, tell her
you make the rockets.
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[Adam] I seal the rockets.
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[Emma] See?
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And that's part
of making the rockets.
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-[Charis] See?
-Come on, let's go.
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We're gonna be late.
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[Adam] Let's go, let's go.
Five, four, three, two...
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Don't forget your lunch.
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...one.
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Emma, hey.
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-Dad?
-Yep?
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Is the shuttle launching today?
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Nope. You're good.
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[Mary] Wait. Why not?
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Those idiots
can't get anything right.
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Don't say "idiots."
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And just remember how
you're right is important, too.
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There's only one way
to be right.
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[Charis] Dad?
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[Adam] Yeah?
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Does everybody work
at the company you work for?
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[Adam] Mostly.
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How many?
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I don't know.
Thousands of those doo-dahs.
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Dad?
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[Adam] Yes?
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Is Mom right or are you right?
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[Adam] Now that's
the right question to be asking.
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Don't you ever forget that.
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In our family,
we do what's right, okay?
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-What does that mean?
-[Charis] What does that mean?
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That means your mom
is probably right.
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But we'll see.
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[reporter] Many of you
in the news media have asked
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to have an opportunity to, uh, to hear a little a bit more
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about the events that occurred, uh, this morning.
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[man #1] Okay, thank you. You know what?
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Of course,
it was just not our day.
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Removed in the...
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the ground support
assist handle.
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And that handle
could not be removed
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because a threaded fastener
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apparently was stripped.
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And we had a little bit
of problem with the...
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the frost and the ice
on the external tank.
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And then the wind picks up.
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Uh, we we're really getting
in the condition of no go
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from the standpoint
of RTLS crosswind.
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[man #2] Today also, we used
a hacksaw on the, uh, vault.
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[man #1] Well, if the, uh,
they did use a hacksaw
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to... to cut away the...
the cylinder
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on this...
this particular handle.
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[reporter] What...
At what point would you say,
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tomorrow the temperature's have caused, uh, a scrub in...
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[man #2]
The outside temperature,
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the absolute
outside temperature,
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we... we don't have...
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No one seemed to care
about the space program
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until that stunt
with that teacher.
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Why do you call it a stunt?
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It was unnecessary.
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But, suddenly everyone's
interested in space again.
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[Adam] Everyone was glued
to their TVs, which meant...
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all eyes were on us.
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[Carl] Adam. Adam!
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When do you think
they will reschedule the launch?
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Not sure.
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Why did they scrub the launch
in the first place?
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I don't know.
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What about the...
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[Adam] Just getting to work
like you, okay?
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I'm sure we'll find out.
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[Carl] Okay. But, uh, they're
expecting the temperatures
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to be below freezing in Florida.
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Freezing in Florida?
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Okay.
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[Finch] The Challenger launch
was postponed three times
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and scrubbed once
from the planned date
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of January 22, 1986.
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Correct.
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They have a way of twisting
your words around
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and using them against you.
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Would the other launches
have resulted in O-ring failures
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had they taken place?
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You say one thing a little bit
different a year from now...
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you're on trial for perjury.
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I guess the other launches
would have been fine.
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Do you do a lot of guessing
in your line of work?
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[reporter]
Florida may be experiencing
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record low temperatures,
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but the heat is still on.
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School children from around
the nation have gathered
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to watch their favorite teacher prepare to blast off into space.
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Sadly, there will be
no launch today
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as NASA has yet again scrubbed another shuttle launch.
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This time, because
of a jammed door handle.
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Will NASA ever launch
space shuttle Challenger?
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I didn't find out until 1 p.m.
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that they planned to launch
the next morning.
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What was your main concern
that day?
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Temperature was a concern.
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It was the concern.
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And at around five o'clock,
we began to realize
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we were in some serious trouble.
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[Adam] Listen to me,
I don't think you realize
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how deadly important this is.
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The shuttle is scheduled
to launch in about 16 hours,
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so I need to know from you guys
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what exactly is the temperature
going to be?
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-[weather man] In Florida?
-Yes, in Florida!
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The rockets are in Florida.
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[weather man]
I'll check, uh, let me see...
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Looks like 30 degrees.
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And you're sure
that's Cape Canaveral,
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not Orlando, right?
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[Carl chattering indistinctly]
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[Adam] Carl, get out.
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-Whoa!
-It's 30 degrees right now.
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-So?
-In Florida.
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-Are you sure?
-[Adam] Of course, I'm sure.
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Why do you think
I came storming in here?
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You come storming in everywhere.
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Is it going to get colder
than 30 degrees?
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What do you think?
Does it get colder at night?
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Fair point.
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-Carl.
-[Carl] Mm?
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What do you think?
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That sounds serious.
I think we should tell someone.
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Okay, we'll get the guys
together,
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and we'll, um, discuss it
and then take it upstairs.
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Will do.
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Oh, um, where do you want
us to meet?
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[Bill] Bullpen.
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[Carl] Okay.
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Uh, where in the bullpen?
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-Oh, boy.
-Anywhere is fine, Carl.
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On it.
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[Adam] This guy.
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You have to take it down
a notch.
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What?
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That's why nobody
listens to you, you know.
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The storming in.
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Kicking Carl out.
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You know he agrees with you.
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Oh, yeah, 'cause I'm right.
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Okay.
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What do you want to do about it?
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Well, what have I been
talking about?
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-Okay. Okay.
-For months?
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Dial it down.
261
00:14:10,371 --> 00:14:11,938
You are right.
262
00:14:13,113 --> 00:14:15,028
Correct. We believe you.
263
00:14:15,071 --> 00:14:16,551
[Bill]
No one has ever been righter
264
00:14:16,594 --> 00:14:18,466
in the history of being right!
265
00:14:18,509 --> 00:14:20,772
So, what should we do?
266
00:14:20,816 --> 00:14:23,863
Who do you want me to call?
You want me to call Reagan?
267
00:14:23,906 --> 00:14:25,647
How do we convince them
that you are right?
268
00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:27,779
Convince?
This isn't a convincing thing.
269
00:14:27,823 --> 00:14:29,433
You show them the numbers,
and that's the number.
270
00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:32,915
I know, but have the numbers
meant anything so far?
271
00:14:34,482 --> 00:14:35,875
No.
272
00:14:35,918 --> 00:14:38,355
And you've been at this
for about a year now?
273
00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:39,487
And?
274
00:14:41,141 --> 00:14:46,407
So, how do we discuss
and convince?
275
00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:49,410
Do you want to run
into every office hysterically?
276
00:14:49,453 --> 00:14:50,933
Screaming that the sky
is falling?
277
00:14:50,977 --> 00:14:53,631
Again, I don't understand
what you're saying right now.
278
00:14:53,675 --> 00:14:55,764
-These idiots...
-All right. Hold on. All right!
279
00:14:55,807 --> 00:14:57,635
Let's just talk to the guys
and see what they say.
280
00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,376
-[Carl] That good?
-[Adam] Well, it doesn't matter.
281
00:14:59,420 --> 00:15:01,204
Once they see the facts,
then they'll see.
282
00:15:01,248 --> 00:15:02,292
[Carl]
Adam, I'm getting a headache
283
00:15:02,336 --> 00:15:03,380
just thinking about this stuff.
284
00:15:03,424 --> 00:15:04,425
Come on, let's go.
285
00:15:05,992 --> 00:15:07,950
[thrilling music]
286
00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,132
[Dean] What is it, Carl?
287
00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:18,569
Oh, um, Adam has something
to talk about.
288
00:15:18,613 --> 00:15:20,310
[Dean] Is it actually important?
289
00:15:20,354 --> 00:15:22,356
[Carl] He says it's 30 degrees
in Florida.
290
00:15:25,185 --> 00:15:27,970
Well, then, that is important.
291
00:15:28,014 --> 00:15:29,319
I'll be there in a moment.
292
00:15:29,363 --> 00:15:30,451
Uh, Carl?
293
00:15:30,494 --> 00:15:31,931
Yes, Dean?
294
00:15:31,974 --> 00:15:33,454
[Dean] Where is "there"?
295
00:15:33,497 --> 00:15:35,673
Oh, uh, the bullpen.
296
00:15:35,717 --> 00:15:38,807
Uh, Carl, where in the bullpen?
297
00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:40,852
[stutters]
Oh, I don't know. The middle?
298
00:15:45,205 --> 00:15:47,207
[thrilling music]
299
00:16:01,221 --> 00:16:02,831
Adam and Bill wanna see us.
300
00:16:02,874 --> 00:16:05,529
Oh, come on.
I was just about to leave.
301
00:16:05,573 --> 00:16:07,488
I'm hungry. Where we going?
302
00:16:07,531 --> 00:16:09,664
You really need to get a handle
on this sort of stuff.
303
00:16:09,707 --> 00:16:11,144
Get it? Handle?
304
00:16:11,187 --> 00:16:13,276
Okay, are you gonna tell me
what's going on or what?
305
00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,669
Oh, we need to get Frank.
306
00:16:14,712 --> 00:16:15,844
Frank.
307
00:16:15,887 --> 00:16:17,889
Adam's not gonna like us
getting Frank.
308
00:16:17,933 --> 00:16:19,761
Adam doesn't like anything.
Come on.
309
00:16:21,719 --> 00:16:23,721
[suspenseful music]
310
00:16:27,508 --> 00:16:29,249
We've been summoned.
311
00:16:29,292 --> 00:16:31,860
Not me. I'm not here.
312
00:16:31,903 --> 00:16:33,862
Adam says it's 30 degrees
in Florida.
313
00:16:33,905 --> 00:16:35,429
Really?
314
00:16:35,472 --> 00:16:37,474
What is it with this guy,
and what's his problem?
315
00:16:37,518 --> 00:16:39,911
I don't know. Let's go find out.
316
00:16:39,955 --> 00:16:42,436
[Frank] I need you guys
to back me up on this in there.
317
00:16:42,479 --> 00:16:44,438
Maybe we should hear him out,
you know, just in case.
318
00:16:44,481 --> 00:16:46,701
He has been going on
about this for a year,
319
00:16:46,744 --> 00:16:48,050
I'm sick of it.
320
00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:49,356
[Edwin]
The sooner this is over with,
321
00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:51,923
the sooner
we can get some dinner.
322
00:16:51,967 --> 00:16:54,013
Hey, guys, what's happening?
Happy hour?
323
00:16:54,056 --> 00:16:56,058
[Frank] Can somebody tell me
why I'm not at home
324
00:16:56,102 --> 00:16:57,799
having dinner right now?
325
00:16:57,842 --> 00:16:59,583
What is the problem?
326
00:16:59,627 --> 00:17:01,237
It's too cold to launch.
327
00:17:01,281 --> 00:17:02,804
[Frank] Really?
328
00:17:02,847 --> 00:17:06,068
It's too cold to light up
a million pounds of rocket fuel?
329
00:17:06,112 --> 00:17:07,504
What's he doing here?
330
00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:10,072
I thought we could use
as many people as possible.
331
00:17:10,116 --> 00:17:11,682
Let me ask you this,
332
00:17:11,726 --> 00:17:14,685
how does rocket fuel do
when it's spewing out the side
333
00:17:14,729 --> 00:17:16,774
instead of the bottom,
Von Braun?
334
00:17:16,818 --> 00:17:19,168
All we have to do
is take this memo,
335
00:17:19,212 --> 00:17:20,561
show 'em the facts,
336
00:17:20,604 --> 00:17:22,258
and then NASA
will reschedule the launch
337
00:17:22,302 --> 00:17:24,652
till later in the day
or when it warms up.
338
00:17:24,695 --> 00:17:25,740
It's all in the memo.
339
00:17:27,785 --> 00:17:28,830
The memo?
340
00:17:29,918 --> 00:17:31,224
Yes, the memo.
341
00:17:32,486 --> 00:17:34,140
Tell them what's on the memo?
342
00:17:34,183 --> 00:17:35,967
I've been working on this
for over a year.
343
00:17:36,011 --> 00:17:37,534
It has all my findings.
344
00:17:37,578 --> 00:17:39,580
And now you're gonna tell me
that none of you read my memo?
345
00:17:39,623 --> 00:17:40,668
-I read it.
-I didn't read it.
346
00:17:40,711 --> 00:17:42,452
-I skimmed it.
-Okay.
347
00:17:42,496 --> 00:17:45,281
It's on the memo. It's cold.
What does it mean?
348
00:17:45,325 --> 00:17:47,153
-[scoffs]
-Do you have a problem?
349
00:17:47,196 --> 00:17:48,241
-[Bill] Guys.
-[Frank] You know something?
350
00:17:48,284 --> 00:17:49,546
You're like this pebble
351
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:51,592
that gets under the wheel
of a shopping cart
352
00:17:51,635 --> 00:17:53,463
and makes it go...
[imitating rustling sound]
353
00:17:53,507 --> 00:17:55,291
Oh, yeah, that's right.
354
00:17:55,335 --> 00:17:57,467
And you're like the guy
that can't build a shopping cart
355
00:17:57,511 --> 00:17:59,208
that can go over a pebble.
356
00:17:59,252 --> 00:18:00,688
What do you even do here?
357
00:18:00,731 --> 00:18:02,951
I make sure guys like you
don't torpedo our company.
358
00:18:02,994 --> 00:18:04,126
-Torpedo?
-[Adam] Torpedo?
359
00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:05,519
Can we just have the facts,
gentlemen?
360
00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:07,347
All of this bickering
gets us nowhere.
361
00:18:08,957 --> 00:18:11,699
What's the coldest temperature
NASA has ever launched
362
00:18:11,742 --> 00:18:13,831
one of our
Solid Rocket Boosters?
363
00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:16,617
STS-51-C.
364
00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:20,664
One year ago minus three days,
third launch of Discovery,
365
00:18:20,708 --> 00:18:23,232
the temperature
53 degrees Fahrenheit.
366
00:18:23,276 --> 00:18:24,799
Wow, good job, Dean.
367
00:18:24,842 --> 00:18:26,931
Oh, yeah, cookies for everybody.
368
00:18:26,975 --> 00:18:29,717
Hey, Frank,
what's the coldest temperature
369
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,154
we've ever tested one
of our Solid Rocket Boosters?
370
00:18:32,198 --> 00:18:33,634
Hey, Adam, do you get more
371
00:18:33,677 --> 00:18:36,637
or less erosion
at a 73-degree launch?
372
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,595
Oh, so you did read it,
373
00:18:38,639 --> 00:18:40,380
and you know
there was more erosion
374
00:18:40,423 --> 00:18:41,903
but less blowby.
375
00:18:41,946 --> 00:18:44,775
You are trying to stop
this launch,
376
00:18:44,819 --> 00:18:46,821
and I am not going to allow it.
377
00:18:48,431 --> 00:18:50,085
And neither is Carl.
378
00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,654
If there was a problem,
why didn't you stop the launch?
379
00:18:53,697 --> 00:18:55,308
[Adam]
Because it wasn't up to me.
380
00:18:55,351 --> 00:18:57,266
I'm not the decision-maker.
381
00:18:57,310 --> 00:19:00,095
There is a chain of command.
382
00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:04,360
We are just a very small cog
in a very big machine.
383
00:19:04,404 --> 00:19:07,407
Seems pretty important.
384
00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:10,236
[Adam] The shuttle is made up
of millions of parts.
385
00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:15,197
It is the most complex piece
of machinery in human history.
386
00:19:15,241 --> 00:19:19,201
The O-rings are just one piece
in a sea of pieces.
387
00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:20,724
And no was listening.
388
00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:23,205
We need to hear more
before we decide either way.
389
00:19:23,249 --> 00:19:24,641
Okay, shopping cart genius.
390
00:19:24,685 --> 00:19:27,557
Uh... Don't take my pencil.
391
00:19:27,601 --> 00:19:32,040
When we ship all the pieces
of our four-story rockets,
392
00:19:32,083 --> 00:19:35,174
and they put them
all back together at Kennedy,
393
00:19:35,217 --> 00:19:38,220
how do you think we keep
a million pounds of rocket fuel
394
00:19:38,264 --> 00:19:40,614
from spewing out
of the connection points?
395
00:19:40,657 --> 00:19:42,224
[Adam] With our seals.
396
00:19:42,268 --> 00:19:45,619
And if our seals don't seal,
then everyone blows up and dies!
397
00:19:45,662 --> 00:19:47,186
The problem is you can't prove
398
00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:49,188
that the temperature
is a problem!
399
00:19:49,231 --> 00:19:50,885
I know, that's the problem!
400
00:19:50,928 --> 00:19:52,669
Is this what you guys want?
401
00:19:52,713 --> 00:19:56,543
You want this guy making
decisions about your future?
402
00:19:56,586 --> 00:19:59,459
Yeah, why are you making such
a big deal about this tonight?
403
00:19:59,502 --> 00:20:00,764
No.
404
00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:02,592
He's been on about this
for about a year now.
405
00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:04,072
[Frank] Exactly.
406
00:20:04,115 --> 00:20:06,944
And none of the other
shuttle launches got stopped.
407
00:20:06,988 --> 00:20:10,252
When we launched in 30 degrees?
408
00:20:10,296 --> 00:20:11,732
You know, I think we should talk
to the boss.
409
00:20:11,775 --> 00:20:12,820
Run it up the chain.
410
00:20:12,863 --> 00:20:14,256
[scoffs]
411
00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:17,912
Guys, Adam here knows
that he cannot stop a launch
412
00:20:17,955 --> 00:20:20,784
unless everybody else here
is on board.
413
00:20:20,828 --> 00:20:23,744
And he also knows that
management is not going to stop
414
00:20:23,787 --> 00:20:28,227
a billion-dollar launch
without any proof.
415
00:20:28,270 --> 00:20:34,537
And Adam also knows
that he is just one guy.
416
00:20:39,107 --> 00:20:42,328
I must say, I am unconvinced.
417
00:20:43,764 --> 00:20:48,290
I think... we should run
this up the chain
418
00:20:48,334 --> 00:20:50,292
however painful it might be.
419
00:20:50,336 --> 00:20:51,598
Bad idea.
420
00:20:52,512 --> 00:20:53,600
I may be unconvinced,
421
00:20:53,643 --> 00:20:55,906
but this discussion needs
to happen.
422
00:20:55,950 --> 00:20:59,040
To do nothing at this point
would be a big mistake.
423
00:20:59,083 --> 00:21:00,694
Let's say we do postpone
the launch.
424
00:21:00,737 --> 00:21:02,739
What's the worst
that could happen?
425
00:21:02,783 --> 00:21:05,568
Management might find
a replacement company to build
426
00:21:05,612 --> 00:21:08,397
the Solid Rocket Boosters,
that's what.
427
00:21:08,441 --> 00:21:10,921
Oh, and also, our company,
428
00:21:10,965 --> 00:21:13,707
you know,
the one we still work for,
429
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:15,578
they might just start
laying off people
430
00:21:15,622 --> 00:21:20,017
because we are the ones who
delay launches at the 13th hour.
431
00:21:20,931 --> 00:21:22,542
I think he has a point.
432
00:21:22,585 --> 00:21:24,631
We all have jobs to think about.
433
00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:25,849
And dinners.
434
00:21:26,937 --> 00:21:28,983
Don't you have a kid in college?
435
00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:32,291
Don't you have a mortgage?
436
00:21:32,334 --> 00:21:34,075
And don't you have a wife
and two kids
437
00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:36,033
who are depending on you?
438
00:21:36,077 --> 00:21:37,905
Yeah, we have
all these problems,
439
00:21:37,948 --> 00:21:39,341
but what's the solution here
440
00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:40,951
that's not killing
another launching?
441
00:21:40,995 --> 00:21:42,736
And what happens if we blow up
the shuttle tomorrow?
442
00:21:42,779 --> 00:21:44,303
What happens after that?
443
00:21:44,346 --> 00:21:45,869
-That is beyond ridicu...
-Come on now let's settle down.
444
00:21:45,913 --> 00:21:47,131
I never thought of it like that.
445
00:21:47,175 --> 00:21:48,742
-How's that for job security?
-Ridiculous.
446
00:21:49,917 --> 00:21:52,311
-Adam, you can get back to them.
-[sighs]
447
00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:53,834
I really admire
what you guys did.
448
00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:56,750
You don't have the first clue
about what we did,
449
00:21:56,793 --> 00:22:00,144
or what we do,
or what we will do.
450
00:22:00,188 --> 00:22:01,711
He's on our team.
451
00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:03,234
It's time you two
start acting like it.
452
00:22:03,278 --> 00:22:04,410
Yeah, ever since this happened
453
00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:05,846
management has been trying
to paint me
454
00:22:05,889 --> 00:22:07,891
as some kind of...
455
00:22:07,935 --> 00:22:10,851
malcontent employee,
bent on causing problems.
456
00:22:13,419 --> 00:22:15,072
Excuse us for just a minute.
457
00:22:15,116 --> 00:22:16,639
No, no,
it's completely all right.
458
00:22:16,683 --> 00:22:19,338
You're right, I don't know you.
Personally. I don't know...
459
00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:21,601
But I know you're a person
of conviction.
460
00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:24,386
And I know that you care deeply
about the space program,
461
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:27,433
which is why we're all here
trying to get this sorted out.
462
00:22:27,476 --> 00:22:29,870
What do you make of him so far?
463
00:22:29,913 --> 00:22:32,612
Well, if you press him,
he falls apart.
464
00:22:32,655 --> 00:22:36,616
He's defensive, rude,
and difficult to deal with.
465
00:22:36,659 --> 00:22:38,095
Hmm.
466
00:22:38,139 --> 00:22:40,402
I would like to hear more,
though.
467
00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:45,364
Look, what we can't do
is turn on each other.
468
00:22:45,407 --> 00:22:49,977
I mean, yeah, let's get it
all out in here where it's safe.
469
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:53,546
But out there,
we have to stick together.
470
00:22:53,589 --> 00:22:55,548
Are you asking us to lie?
471
00:22:55,591 --> 00:22:58,899
No. Nobody is advocating lying.
472
00:22:58,942 --> 00:23:00,944
Going back
to our previous conversation,
473
00:23:00,988 --> 00:23:04,774
are you a malcontent employee,
bent on causing problems?
474
00:23:04,818 --> 00:23:05,906
No.
475
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,648
Maybe.
476
00:23:11,215 --> 00:23:13,304
Probably, but for good reason.
477
00:23:13,348 --> 00:23:14,784
What reason?
478
00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:17,221
Why can't you just talk to him
like a normal person?
479
00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:18,397
Be reasonable?
480
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,224
[Adam] I don't have to,
I'm right.
481
00:23:20,268 --> 00:23:22,792
He's just afraid
of losing his job. Hell, I am.
482
00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:24,794
And you're never going to win
anybody like this.
483
00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:26,274
This needs to stay
an engineering question,
484
00:23:26,317 --> 00:23:27,667
that's what.
485
00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:31,061
If we go to the boss like this,
we'll get nowhere.
486
00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:32,498
Who? Kurt?
487
00:23:32,541 --> 00:23:34,064
Why aren't we marching up
to his office right now?
488
00:23:34,108 --> 00:23:37,111
I thought we would have
a brief, calm conversation,
489
00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:39,809
come up with an agreement
together,
490
00:23:39,853 --> 00:23:42,595
and then walk up there
with a proposal.
491
00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:44,335
But I didn't anticipate this
or Frank.
492
00:23:44,379 --> 00:23:45,685
Why do we need to take a problem
493
00:23:45,728 --> 00:23:47,600
that has no solution
to our boss?
494
00:23:47,643 --> 00:23:49,210
There's at least
two other engineers
495
00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:50,516
that think we have a problem.
496
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,692
As soon as we go,
Frank is gonna follow us.
497
00:23:52,735 --> 00:23:54,041
And as soon as we get up there,
498
00:23:54,084 --> 00:23:57,044
he's gonna throw around
his credentials.
499
00:23:57,087 --> 00:23:58,306
Problem Review Board this
500
00:23:58,349 --> 00:24:00,047
and problem assessment
systems that,
501
00:24:00,090 --> 00:24:01,265
and nothing's gonna happen.
502
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:04,965
Adam.
503
00:24:05,008 --> 00:24:06,880
-I'm getting Jim on the phone.
-[Bill] Just hold on.
504
00:24:06,923 --> 00:24:08,272
Let's just see
how we're gonna grade
505
00:24:08,316 --> 00:24:09,926
and keep Frank away
for a few minutes.
506
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:13,582
Get Jim on the phone,
get him on our side.
507
00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:16,193
Have him call Kurt.
508
00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:18,413
And make it seem
like Cape Canaveral
509
00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:21,721
is asking for a flight ready
review meeting.
510
00:24:21,764 --> 00:24:24,985
Jim can make everyone concerned
about the temperature.
511
00:24:25,028 --> 00:24:26,508
This is a farce.
512
00:24:26,552 --> 00:24:29,903
-We are engineers. We're not...
-No. We're not engineers.
513
00:24:29,946 --> 00:24:31,208
We're people.
514
00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:32,601
Dumb, emotional people.
515
00:24:32,645 --> 00:24:35,865
Well, thanks for the psychology
lesson, Professor.
516
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:39,695
Right now, I'm more interested
in rockets exploding.
517
00:24:39,739 --> 00:24:42,568
[Finch] Did it ever occur to you
that your interpersonal skills
518
00:24:42,611 --> 00:24:46,006
may have hindered your ability
to convince your coworkers?
519
00:24:46,049 --> 00:24:49,488
Yeah, if that isn't the
understatement of a lifetime.
520
00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,272
Is this guy the best you got?
521
00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:54,362
I was right.
522
00:24:58,409 --> 00:24:59,846
When you were
in engineering school,
523
00:24:59,889 --> 00:25:01,412
did they make you show
your work?
524
00:25:02,892 --> 00:25:04,415
What does that have to do
with anything?
525
00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:07,288
Did they make you show them
your work?
526
00:25:07,331 --> 00:25:10,030
When you were solving problems
and analyzing potatoes?
527
00:25:10,073 --> 00:25:11,335
So what if they did?
528
00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:12,859
[Finch] Well, you're gonna show
your work here.
529
00:25:12,902 --> 00:25:15,514
Because it's not good enough
to just say you were right.
530
00:25:15,557 --> 00:25:16,993
Anyone can make a prediction.
531
00:25:17,037 --> 00:25:18,647
It's gonna rain.
532
00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:20,997
I wanna know how you knew.
533
00:25:21,041 --> 00:25:24,218
And I want to know
how you told them.
534
00:25:24,261 --> 00:25:28,439
Because maybe the problem
wasn't with their understanding.
535
00:25:28,483 --> 00:25:31,355
Maybe the problem was
with how it was communicated.
536
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:32,748
And that's on you.
537
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,752
So how exactly
did you maneuver yourself
538
00:25:36,796 --> 00:25:38,145
through the chain of command
539
00:25:38,188 --> 00:25:40,582
to get the new information
to the Cape.
540
00:25:40,626 --> 00:25:43,193
[indistinct chatter]
541
00:25:43,237 --> 00:25:44,891
How do we get the Cape
on the phone
542
00:25:44,934 --> 00:25:46,457
without Frank knowing about it?
543
00:25:46,501 --> 00:25:49,156
[overlapping conversation]
544
00:25:49,199 --> 00:25:52,028
Hey, I thought you said
Carl was on my side.
545
00:25:52,072 --> 00:25:55,597
Why don't we just take Frank
to the recovery facility?
546
00:25:55,641 --> 00:25:56,903
-Show him the soot.
-[Adam] What?
547
00:25:56,946 --> 00:25:58,469
Yeah, that'll work.
548
00:25:58,513 --> 00:26:01,081
And then you just go ahead
and think of a way to break off
549
00:26:01,124 --> 00:26:03,431
and go to your office and get
some papers or something.
550
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:04,650
I'm not playing games.
551
00:26:04,693 --> 00:26:06,042
Just think of a good reason
to break off
552
00:26:06,086 --> 00:26:07,304
as soon as we get going,
all right?
553
00:26:07,348 --> 00:26:09,698
Bill had a way
that he wanted to do things.
554
00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:12,179
And did you agree with Bill?
555
00:26:12,222 --> 00:26:15,051
Okay, fellas, we are going
to the recovery facility.
556
00:26:15,095 --> 00:26:17,445
Does fluorocarbon elastomer
work better or worse
557
00:26:17,488 --> 00:26:18,577
in freezing temperatures?
558
00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:20,970
[Frank]
What is fluoro... elastic?
559
00:26:21,014 --> 00:26:23,930
It's the seal. And no,
rubber-like substances
560
00:26:23,973 --> 00:26:25,845
do not work better
in the freezing cold.
561
00:26:25,888 --> 00:26:29,588
Exactly, cold rubber
doesn't seal as well.
562
00:26:29,631 --> 00:26:31,024
I want us to go.
563
00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:33,461
What difference do a few degrees
make about anything?
564
00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:35,637
Dean does water freeze
at 33 degrees?
565
00:26:35,681 --> 00:26:37,421
No, it does not.
566
00:26:37,465 --> 00:26:38,901
But it does at 32.
567
00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:40,294
That's right. A single degree
can make a difference.
568
00:26:40,337 --> 00:26:42,252
And it can affect
that fluorocarbon elastomer.
569
00:26:42,296 --> 00:26:43,732
You guys are hopeless.
570
00:26:43,776 --> 00:26:46,387
Help me understand why
you weren't taking the advice
571
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:48,781
of your problem assessment
specialist.
572
00:26:48,824 --> 00:26:51,348
Who? Frank? Are you kidding me?
573
00:26:51,392 --> 00:26:54,525
You should be asking me why
didn't everyone take my advice.
574
00:26:54,569 --> 00:26:55,744
[Frank]
You're not going to convince me
575
00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:57,398
to put everyone's jobs here
in jeopardy
576
00:26:57,441 --> 00:26:59,139
on some theory
you can't even come up with!
577
00:26:59,182 --> 00:27:00,706
Jobs? That's your criteria?
578
00:27:00,749 --> 00:27:03,317
Maybe you should've done
your actual job.
579
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,667
Now it's time for the smart guys
to do their jobs.
580
00:27:05,711 --> 00:27:07,321
[Adam] You're willing
to kill people for jobs?
581
00:27:07,364 --> 00:27:08,539
You self-righteous...
582
00:27:08,583 --> 00:27:09,758
Frank! Frank!
583
00:27:09,802 --> 00:27:11,194
I'm not the problem.
584
00:27:11,238 --> 00:27:13,327
I've just about had enough
of this.
585
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:14,502
Guys.
586
00:27:14,545 --> 00:27:16,199
Relax.
587
00:27:16,243 --> 00:27:18,549
Okay, we have to get
to the bottom of this.
588
00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:20,116
It may be uncomfortable,
589
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,944
but you need
to tell me the truth.
590
00:27:21,988 --> 00:27:23,293
Get...
591
00:27:23,337 --> 00:27:24,338
Hey!
592
00:27:25,382 --> 00:27:26,557
Where is he going?
593
00:27:26,601 --> 00:27:28,124
I think he's got something
in his office.
594
00:27:28,168 --> 00:27:29,430
[Bill] Did you forget something
in your office?
595
00:27:29,473 --> 00:27:30,605
[Adam] No!
596
00:27:33,216 --> 00:27:35,218
[foreboding music]
597
00:27:39,309 --> 00:27:41,572
If the recovery boats come in,
598
00:27:41,616 --> 00:27:43,487
they want to know
what that means.
599
00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:50,973
It means our rockets will
get lost in the Atlantic Ocean.
600
00:27:51,017 --> 00:27:53,367
Those things are expensive.
We better not lose them.
601
00:27:55,412 --> 00:27:57,240
Is that option on the table?
602
00:27:57,284 --> 00:27:59,852
They wanna know
what this will mean to NASA.
603
00:27:59,895 --> 00:28:02,724
Can't you just pick it up
off the bottom?
604
00:28:02,768 --> 00:28:05,248
What kind of question is that?
605
00:28:05,292 --> 00:28:07,468
Tell the recovery boats
to remain out at sea
606
00:28:07,511 --> 00:28:09,252
and get those rockets
when they splash down.
607
00:28:09,296 --> 00:28:12,038
Boats can't stay out there
in the wind.
608
00:28:12,081 --> 00:28:13,735
We need you to figure
the cost for your company
609
00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:17,173
if we launch
with no recovery boats.
610
00:28:17,217 --> 00:28:18,305
Oh.
611
00:28:19,567 --> 00:28:21,743
See if NASA
can figure this out, then.
612
00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:23,745
If you want 24 launches
in a year,
613
00:28:23,789 --> 00:28:25,965
you can only do that
with reusable parts.
614
00:28:26,008 --> 00:28:28,402
If the parts get lost
in the Atlantic Ocean...
615
00:28:28,445 --> 00:28:29,925
Wait, too windy?
616
00:28:29,969 --> 00:28:31,927
It's too windy for boats
to be on the water,
617
00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:34,060
but not too windy
to launch the shuttle?
618
00:28:34,103 --> 00:28:35,409
We're trying to get
through this launch
619
00:28:35,452 --> 00:28:37,193
before thinking
about making recoveries
620
00:28:37,237 --> 00:28:38,586
to supply the next one.
621
00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:40,240
If the boats come back in now,
622
00:28:40,283 --> 00:28:42,285
they won't be able to make it
back out for the launch window.
623
00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:44,026
The boats are already
headed back.
624
00:28:48,814 --> 00:28:52,600
So, we're going to lose
a billion-dollar asset?
625
00:28:52,643 --> 00:28:53,732
That's right.
626
00:28:53,775 --> 00:28:54,776
Excuse me?
627
00:28:58,998 --> 00:29:02,044
What's he doing? Huh? Huh?
628
00:29:02,088 --> 00:29:04,090
Get the flight engineer
on the phone now.
629
00:29:06,483 --> 00:29:09,312
This is Adam with the team that
built the Solid Rocket Boosters,
630
00:29:09,356 --> 00:29:10,836
and I have important information
631
00:29:10,879 --> 00:29:13,403
regarding a catastrophic
failure of the shuttle launch
632
00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:14,840
due to the primary
and secondary O-rings.
633
00:29:14,883 --> 00:29:16,842
-Get him on the phone now.
-Who is that on the phone?
634
00:29:16,885 --> 00:29:18,147
Are you talking to Kurt? Huh?
635
00:29:18,191 --> 00:29:19,627
[phone beeps]
636
00:29:20,715 --> 00:29:22,108
Jim Whitt, go.
637
00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:25,676
Jim, you have about 30 seconds
to get Kurt on the phone
638
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,374
and convince him
to call a meeting
639
00:29:27,417 --> 00:29:28,941
between NASA and our company
640
00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:31,508
to discuss the impending
catastrophic failure
641
00:29:31,552 --> 00:29:33,467
of the primary
and secondary O-rings
642
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:36,513
due to the cold temperature
of our scheduled launch time.
643
00:29:36,557 --> 00:29:37,906
[Adam] You better hurry.
644
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:39,690
You better hold on
because it gets worse.
645
00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:41,083
What do you mean it gets worse?
646
00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:43,433
What could be worse
than a catastrophic failure?
647
00:29:43,477 --> 00:29:45,261
Transfer me over to Kurt.
648
00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:47,437
I don't know how to do that,
the girl that does the phones
649
00:29:47,481 --> 00:29:49,831
is gone for the day.
650
00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:54,444
Just hit transfer, receiver,
then extension 304.
651
00:29:54,488 --> 00:29:55,706
Okay. Here.
652
00:29:58,535 --> 00:29:59,623
Great.
653
00:30:04,628 --> 00:30:05,978
This is how you want
to play this, huh?
654
00:30:06,021 --> 00:30:08,110
-Frank, hold up.
-Like a junior high playground?
655
00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:10,112
Can we all just take a breath
and talk about this?
656
00:30:10,156 --> 00:30:11,374
No!
657
00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:13,550
The time for talking is over.
658
00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:16,684
It looks like I'm gonna to have
to single-handedly save
659
00:30:16,727 --> 00:30:18,599
-the space program.
-Save the space program?
660
00:30:18,642 --> 00:30:20,644
Do you even hear yourself?
661
00:30:20,688 --> 00:30:25,171
What good is a space program
that never launches into space?
662
00:30:27,913 --> 00:30:29,131
[Jim] Kurt.
663
00:30:29,175 --> 00:30:31,264
We are having some major issues
664
00:30:31,307 --> 00:30:33,048
regarding the launch
tomorrow morning
665
00:30:33,092 --> 00:30:35,355
and we need to set up a meeting with Marshall,
666
00:30:35,398 --> 00:30:37,183
Kennedy and our company.
667
00:30:37,226 --> 00:30:39,098
Uh, temperature needs
to be discussed
668
00:30:39,141 --> 00:30:41,535
as well as our recovery
of the SRBs.
669
00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:43,319
Boats are being called back in
because of wind,
670
00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:46,018
which puts us in jeopardy
of losing our assets.
671
00:30:47,497 --> 00:30:49,238
That's correct.
672
00:30:49,282 --> 00:30:52,241
Yes, sir, uh, we could use
some management assistance
673
00:30:52,285 --> 00:30:55,027
setting up that meeting ASAP.
674
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:57,507
And, Kurt,
I want to highly stress
675
00:30:57,551 --> 00:31:00,467
that this remain
an engineering decision.
676
00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:03,600
All right, thank you.
677
00:31:23,794 --> 00:31:25,318
Okay...
678
00:31:25,361 --> 00:31:26,972
Here's what we're gonna do.
679
00:31:27,015 --> 00:31:29,670
We're gonna get a meeting
with Kennedy Space Center
680
00:31:29,713 --> 00:31:33,369
and Marshall Space Flight Center
on a conference call.
681
00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:34,718
We're gonna convince them
682
00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:37,243
to push the launch window
a little bit.
683
00:31:37,286 --> 00:31:40,942
We need those boats out there
and recover our rockets.
684
00:31:40,986 --> 00:31:43,031
Now, what's the argument
with the temperature?
685
00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:44,815
It's inconclusive.
686
00:31:44,859 --> 00:31:46,208
[overlapping banter]
687
00:31:46,252 --> 00:31:49,124
The temperature is outside
of our experience data,
688
00:31:49,168 --> 00:31:51,692
and you that we have been
getting erosion and blowby.
689
00:31:51,735 --> 00:31:54,129
It isn't the worst
at a lower temperature.
690
00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:55,261
Yes, it is.
691
00:31:55,304 --> 00:31:56,915
Not with erosion.
692
00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:59,004
What's the difference,
gentlemen?
693
00:31:59,047 --> 00:32:03,573
Erosion means that the rubber
hose seal is being eaten away.
694
00:32:03,617 --> 00:32:06,272
Blowby is the exhaust that
actually gets past the seals.
695
00:32:06,315 --> 00:32:09,536
And it's the blowby that gets
worse at the lower temperatures.
696
00:32:09,579 --> 00:32:11,103
The lower the temperature,
697
00:32:11,146 --> 00:32:14,976
the more the rocket exhaust
passes right past the seals.
698
00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:16,369
The greater the blowby,
699
00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:18,849
the greater the chance
of secondary seal failure.
700
00:32:18,893 --> 00:32:21,678
Secondary seal failure
equals catastrophic failure.
701
00:32:21,722 --> 00:32:23,419
Okay.
702
00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:27,162
We are going to argue
for a launch delay.
703
00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:30,992
And we are all going to be
in agreement, Frank.
704
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,342
Now NASA is pushing
for a launch,
705
00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:36,563
even though it could cost us
our rockets.
706
00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:38,521
It's the engineering.
707
00:32:38,565 --> 00:32:41,220
We need to push
because of the engineering.
708
00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:45,746
There is more at play here,
Adam, than the engineering.
709
00:32:45,789 --> 00:32:48,923
[Kurt] The danged media
keeps pushing and pushing.
710
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:52,231
So much so that NASA
is staring down the barrel
711
00:32:52,274 --> 00:32:55,103
of another national
embarrassment.
712
00:32:55,147 --> 00:32:58,367
Especially after the handle
and all the delays.
713
00:32:58,411 --> 00:32:59,673
Who cares?
714
00:32:59,716 --> 00:33:01,283
Who cares?
715
00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:03,024
The people
who pay the bills care.
716
00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:04,765
-The taxpayers.
-Yeah, right.
717
00:33:04,808 --> 00:33:06,897
The Department of Defense
pays the bills,
718
00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:09,378
so their satellites
can catch a ride into orbit.
719
00:33:09,422 --> 00:33:12,425
And the DOD wants
what they paid for.
720
00:33:12,468 --> 00:33:14,818
If they don't get
what they paid for,
721
00:33:14,862 --> 00:33:16,690
they'll just go somewhere else.
722
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:19,040
Where? Macy's?
723
00:33:19,954 --> 00:33:22,043
Maybe NASA and the DOD
724
00:33:22,087 --> 00:33:24,611
think it's time to invest
in a new horse,
725
00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:29,398
especially if this horse can't
get them where they wanna go.
726
00:33:29,442 --> 00:33:33,272
You think it's an engineering
problem, but it's not.
727
00:33:34,447 --> 00:33:35,883
It's an economic problem.
728
00:33:35,926 --> 00:33:38,103
Are we arguing to launch
or not launch?
729
00:33:38,146 --> 00:33:41,802
Yes, economics is a factor.
I thoroughly agree.
730
00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:43,978
-[Dean] However, the five of us.
-Five lepers.
731
00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:45,371
The five of us believe
732
00:33:45,414 --> 00:33:47,373
temperature
is the best argument.
733
00:33:47,416 --> 00:33:50,767
If NASA's loss is not greater
than our loss of the rockets,
734
00:33:50,811 --> 00:33:53,335
then the economic argument
will not work.
735
00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:56,773
However, if they are concerned
about the loss of their shuttle
736
00:33:56,817 --> 00:33:59,211
in an even
more embarrassing incident,
737
00:33:59,254 --> 00:34:00,603
then we should argue
738
00:34:00,647 --> 00:34:03,258
in the best interest
of their success.
739
00:34:03,302 --> 00:34:05,826
If we delay a few hours,
740
00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:07,523
temperature goes up,
right, Adam?
741
00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:08,829
Yes.
742
00:34:08,872 --> 00:34:11,005
And the rocket gets launched,
right, Frank?
743
00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:13,703
Yes.
744
00:34:13,747 --> 00:34:17,229
And our ships have a better shot
of recovering our SRBs,
745
00:34:17,272 --> 00:34:18,360
right, Kurt?
746
00:34:18,404 --> 00:34:20,449
[Kurt] Absolutely.
747
00:34:20,493 --> 00:34:22,190
[Dean] Then it seems to me
we have no other choice
748
00:34:22,234 --> 00:34:23,409
in the matter.
749
00:34:23,452 --> 00:34:25,193
It seems we have no choice
in the matter.
750
00:34:25,237 --> 00:34:29,371
[Bill] Sir, let us put together
an argument.
751
00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:34,463
We want to help the company,
NASA, the DOD, everyone.
752
00:34:42,167 --> 00:34:46,258
You have exactly 45 minutes
to get a presentation together.
753
00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:47,389
Forty-five minutes?
754
00:34:47,433 --> 00:34:49,435
As soon as this sentence
is done,
755
00:34:49,478 --> 00:34:51,132
I am picking up that phone,
756
00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:53,613
calling them
and setting the meeting.
757
00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:56,616
How are we supposed to get
this prepped in 45 minutes?
758
00:34:56,659 --> 00:34:57,747
[Kurt] Get him outta here.
759
00:34:57,791 --> 00:34:59,358
Kurt, this is a complex
technical issue,
760
00:34:59,401 --> 00:35:01,316
-we need more than 45 minutes.
-[Bill] Stop.
761
00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:05,625
Mr. Nelson?
762
00:35:05,668 --> 00:35:06,669
[Adam] How are we supposed
to put together
763
00:35:06,713 --> 00:35:09,150
a complex technical presentation
764
00:35:09,194 --> 00:35:12,501
and send it across America,
so Utah, Alabama and Florida
765
00:35:12,545 --> 00:35:14,851
can all see it all
within 45 measly minutes?
766
00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:16,114
We got the win.
767
00:35:16,157 --> 00:35:18,333
Oh, what was all that
about the economics?
768
00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:20,335
Adam, NASA has never gone
769
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:22,511
against a contractor's
recommendation.
770
00:35:23,251 --> 00:35:24,426
We get the meeting.
771
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:25,906
We tell them
we don't want to launch,
772
00:35:25,949 --> 00:35:27,516
they don't negate us, we win.
773
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,692
Let's throw some stuff together
and get the launch delayed,
774
00:35:29,736 --> 00:35:31,216
and get to work on this thing,
you know?
775
00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:33,696
Get it launched eventually,
so we can have jobs.
776
00:35:33,740 --> 00:35:36,786
If we do a halfway decent job,
we will be just fine.
777
00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:38,832
Oh, in 45 minutes?
778
00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,616
I'm starting to think
this was a bad idea.
779
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,314
Why don't you just go home
for the night?
780
00:35:42,357 --> 00:35:43,924
No. We need everyone working.
781
00:35:43,967 --> 00:35:45,665
I used to think you only cared
about being right.
782
00:35:45,708 --> 00:35:47,580
-That's right.
-Now I think you only care about
783
00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,234
being at odds with everyone.
784
00:35:49,277 --> 00:35:51,584
What you think doesn't matter.
785
00:35:51,627 --> 00:35:54,064
I think what he thinks matters!
786
00:35:54,108 --> 00:35:56,415
What if we are chasing
a ghost here? Huh?
787
00:35:56,458 --> 00:35:57,894
A mad man's imagination.
788
00:35:57,938 --> 00:36:00,462
Why do we have to participate
in this death spiral?
789
00:36:00,506 --> 00:36:01,594
Because I'm the one who's right.
790
00:36:01,637 --> 00:36:04,118
-Yeah, says you.
-That's right, says me.
791
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:07,339
I'm out.
792
00:36:07,382 --> 00:36:09,210
-Edwin, we need you.
-I don't need this.
793
00:36:09,254 --> 00:36:13,432
Ed, you have to look past
the argument and the number
794
00:36:13,475 --> 00:36:17,305
and the data and the O-rings
and see the man.
795
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:19,220
All right, sometimes
he doesn't get it.
796
00:36:19,264 --> 00:36:21,744
He doesn't care about you,
he doesn't care about me.
797
00:36:21,788 --> 00:36:24,747
Hell, I don't even think
he cares about the engineering.
798
00:36:24,791 --> 00:36:26,053
But I do know
he cares about this,
799
00:36:26,096 --> 00:36:27,837
he cares about being right.
800
00:36:27,881 --> 00:36:31,145
And that's what I trust
and that's the truth.
801
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:33,887
You gotta get past
his little show.
802
00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:35,715
-I trust him.
-Yeah, you trust everyone.
803
00:36:35,758 --> 00:36:36,933
I just wish I had another day.
804
00:36:36,977 --> 00:36:38,239
-What if he's wrong?
-What if he's right?
805
00:36:38,283 --> 00:36:39,980
-What if he's wrong?
-What if he's right?
806
00:36:40,023 --> 00:36:42,548
Whoa! Why is this our problem
all of a sudden?
807
00:36:42,591 --> 00:36:46,247
If we're wrong and we stop the
launch for no reason, we lose.
808
00:36:46,291 --> 00:36:48,075
If we're right and we stop
a launch, another launch,
809
00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:49,250
we lose.
810
00:36:49,294 --> 00:36:50,599
It's lose-lose.
811
00:36:50,643 --> 00:36:53,167
Because we are the only people
on the planet
812
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:54,690
who know we don't know
813
00:36:54,734 --> 00:36:58,520
that there might possibly be,
maybe, a problem.
814
00:36:58,564 --> 00:37:00,174
[Carl] And it's the right thing
to do.
815
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:02,742
[Dean] It is time to move.
816
00:37:04,265 --> 00:37:05,701
We split up.
817
00:37:05,745 --> 00:37:07,442
Five minutes to gather.
818
00:37:07,486 --> 00:37:09,270
[Bill] Fifteen minutes to sort.
819
00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:11,011
Fifteen minutes to chart.
820
00:37:11,054 --> 00:37:12,404
And fifteen minutes to send off.
821
00:37:12,447 --> 00:37:13,622
[Carl] That's 50 minutes.
822
00:37:13,666 --> 00:37:15,189
[Bill] We'll have to move faster
than time.
823
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:16,669
We'll have to hand draw
our charts.
824
00:37:16,712 --> 00:37:20,629
Agreed. They are gonna want
a lot of statistics,
825
00:37:20,673 --> 00:37:23,545
so if you have any doubt,
just bring everything with you.
826
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:25,286
How do we make
a presentation to people
827
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:26,461
in three different parts
of the country
828
00:37:26,505 --> 00:37:28,811
in just under 40 minutes?
829
00:37:28,855 --> 00:37:31,814
It's 1986,
we are rocket scientists,
830
00:37:31,858 --> 00:37:33,338
we work with NASA.
831
00:37:33,381 --> 00:37:34,730
We are going to fax it.
832
00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:45,350
[interviewer] Good evening.
833
00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:47,221
I'm joined tonight
by teacher turned astronaut.
834
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:50,572
And the first civilian
to ever go into space.
835
00:37:50,616 --> 00:37:52,444
I have to start by asking you,
836
00:37:52,487 --> 00:37:55,142
what do you think
this is gonna mean for you
837
00:37:55,185 --> 00:37:56,883
after the mission?
838
00:37:56,926 --> 00:37:59,451
What are you going to do
when you return from space?
839
00:37:59,494 --> 00:38:00,930
[astronaut] I don't know.
840
00:38:00,974 --> 00:38:02,845
But I do know
that this is an adventure
841
00:38:02,889 --> 00:38:04,194
I couldn't say no to.
842
00:38:04,238 --> 00:38:05,544
I mean, to be able to go
into space
843
00:38:05,587 --> 00:38:07,154
and help school children learn
844
00:38:07,197 --> 00:38:09,287
and be more interested
in learning,
845
00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,593
that's what I'm really
looking forward to right now.
846
00:38:11,637 --> 00:38:13,769
At first, I was... I was nervous
847
00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:15,597
about what it would mean
for my family,
848
00:38:15,641 --> 00:38:18,600
and my husband, my kids,
my teaching career,
849
00:38:18,644 --> 00:38:21,473
but now I'm just looking forward to the adventure ahead.
850
00:38:21,516 --> 00:38:26,173
You know, the great unknown, not necessarily space, but life.
851
00:38:26,216 --> 00:38:28,654
Do you think it's really sunken
yet, you're going into space?
852
00:38:28,697 --> 00:38:31,134
No, absolutely not.
853
00:38:31,178 --> 00:38:35,965
I still can't believe
that I was chosen for this.
854
00:38:36,009 --> 00:38:37,924
You know, 50,000 people applied.
855
00:38:37,967 --> 00:38:40,666
I still remember putting
my letter into the mailbox,
856
00:38:40,709 --> 00:38:42,929
and thinking, there are so many other people
857
00:38:42,972 --> 00:38:44,887
doing the exact same thing
right now.
858
00:38:44,931 --> 00:38:47,020
We were all alike that day.
859
00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:50,676
We all thought, "It could be me. I have a chance at this."
860
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,634
And then it was me and it's like winning the lottery
861
00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:55,985
to be able to go into space and blasting off in the shuttle.
862
00:38:56,029 --> 00:38:58,640
I mean, I just feel like
I'm taking everyone here
863
00:38:58,684 --> 00:39:00,381
on earth up there with me.
864
00:39:00,425 --> 00:39:02,078
[interviewer]
Are you afraid at all?
865
00:39:02,949 --> 00:39:04,864
No. I don't think so.
866
00:39:04,907 --> 00:39:07,040
Who knows, though, when we're actually strapped in
867
00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:10,522
and those massive rockets are blasting us off into space.
868
00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:12,219
Yeah, that does sound
kinda scary.
869
00:39:12,262 --> 00:39:15,004
But I have the utmost confidence in the thousands of people
870
00:39:15,048 --> 00:39:16,658
who make all of this happen.
871
00:39:16,702 --> 00:39:20,270
You know, these days,
space flight is very safe.
872
00:39:20,314 --> 00:39:21,402
[interviewer]
You know, recently,
873
00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:23,361
NASA has had a few delays.
874
00:39:23,404 --> 00:39:27,234
How, if at all, has that
affected the crew, mentally?
875
00:39:27,277 --> 00:39:28,409
[astronaut]
I mean, it's definitely,
876
00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:29,976
uh, been interesting.
877
00:39:30,019 --> 00:39:31,804
You get so excited about finally taking this mission,
878
00:39:31,847 --> 00:39:33,458
and then it's delayed.
879
00:39:33,501 --> 00:39:36,635
But I know that the engineers and everybody else involved
880
00:39:36,678 --> 00:39:39,594
are doing what they need to do to make it as safe as possible.
881
00:39:39,638 --> 00:39:42,031
So, I have full confidence
in what they're doing
882
00:39:42,075 --> 00:39:43,685
and the decisions they make.
883
00:39:43,729 --> 00:39:46,775
If it needed to be postponed then, you know, for our safety
884
00:39:46,819 --> 00:39:50,562
or for whatever reason they have, then that's something
885
00:39:50,605 --> 00:39:52,433
that I think we're all
okay with.
886
00:39:52,477 --> 00:39:54,174
[interviewer]You know, at some
point in everyone's life,
887
00:39:54,217 --> 00:39:56,089
they dream
of being an astronaut.
888
00:39:56,132 --> 00:39:57,612
And you get to be one.
889
00:39:57,656 --> 00:40:00,789
Are you having fun, has this been a fun experience?
890
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,661
Oh, yes. So much fun.
891
00:40:02,704 --> 00:40:05,098
I... I love everyone
I work with.
892
00:40:05,141 --> 00:40:09,450
Commander Scobee
is a solid unflappable man.
893
00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:14,455
Uh, Mike and Ellison
are the hardest working,
894
00:40:14,499 --> 00:40:16,326
smartest people
you will ever meet.
895
00:40:16,370 --> 00:40:19,895
And Ron and Greg will...
896
00:40:19,939 --> 00:40:21,767
they make us laugh nonstop.
897
00:40:21,810 --> 00:40:24,247
Judi and I
have a lot of fun together.
898
00:40:24,291 --> 00:40:26,032
And, I mean, just as a team,
899
00:40:26,075 --> 00:40:28,034
we really have to rely
on one other.
900
00:40:28,077 --> 00:40:29,731
[interviewer]
Sounds like an amazing team.
901
00:40:29,775 --> 00:40:31,211
[astronaut] Oh, it is. I mean,
902
00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:32,952
all the way from the very top
of NASA
903
00:40:32,995 --> 00:40:37,696
down to the guys who clean
to the engineers in between
904
00:40:37,739 --> 00:40:40,655
who make sure that
this is as safe as possible.
905
00:40:40,699 --> 00:40:43,397
I mean, all these people
involved are what make it
906
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:44,833
such an amazing experience.
907
00:40:44,877 --> 00:40:46,705
And it's...
I've had so much joy
908
00:40:46,748 --> 00:40:49,272
getting to be a part
of all of this.
909
00:40:49,316 --> 00:40:51,492
I know that all of my students,
910
00:40:51,536 --> 00:40:53,233
and even the students
at the elementary
911
00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:55,017
and the middle school
912
00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:57,063
that, uh, go to my high school,
that feed into my high school
913
00:40:57,106 --> 00:40:58,586
are all going to be watching.
914
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,979
And I'm just so excited
to be there to wave
915
00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:02,242
at the cameras and see them
and, you know,
916
00:41:02,285 --> 00:41:05,245
let them see that your dreams
can come true.
917
00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:07,508
Uh, I mean, who would've thought that I...
918
00:41:07,552 --> 00:41:10,685
I'm a high school science teacher who's going into space.
919
00:41:13,296 --> 00:41:15,298
[suspenseful music]
920
00:41:25,352 --> 00:41:27,354
[clock ticking]
921
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:02,215
[Bill] We have no time. Let's go
and get this table out here.
922
00:42:02,998 --> 00:42:05,087
[overlapping chatter]
923
00:42:05,131 --> 00:42:06,915
Thank you, sir, appreciate it.
924
00:42:10,658 --> 00:42:12,442
Everything passed,
I need to have them.
925
00:42:12,486 --> 00:42:14,619
[Biil] What else do we need?
We need all sources.
926
00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:19,058
Come on,
we need the erosion charts
927
00:42:19,101 --> 00:42:21,495
-from STS-51-B.
-[Dean] That is 51-B.
928
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:23,715
We need to 51-A and 60...
929
00:42:23,758 --> 00:42:26,195
Oh, I saw that one
in one of the brown folders.
930
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,980
-Which one?
-Oh, uh, one of them.
931
00:42:28,023 --> 00:42:29,068
I'm not sure.
932
00:42:29,111 --> 00:42:31,461
I need all SRM recoveries to go.
933
00:42:31,505 --> 00:42:32,680
Go?
934
00:42:32,724 --> 00:42:34,769
-Go out or go in?
-[Bill] In.
935
00:42:36,031 --> 00:42:37,816
You need this one?
936
00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:39,557
Mm-hm.
937
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,298
Should we separate the
soot levels from the erosion?
938
00:42:42,342 --> 00:42:45,127
No, I want them to see
the correlation.
939
00:42:45,171 --> 00:42:47,129
Should we make a main summary
of all the findings?
940
00:42:47,173 --> 00:42:48,478
Wait, wait, wait.
941
00:42:48,522 --> 00:42:54,093
We need 51-A, 51, uh, G,
and 51-F.
942
00:42:54,136 --> 00:42:56,095
"I" comes after that.
943
00:42:56,138 --> 00:42:57,662
"I" after "F."
944
00:42:57,705 --> 00:42:59,664
Why can't these be in order
and we call them Challenger
945
00:42:59,707 --> 00:43:01,274
and Discovery
and then the number?
946
00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:04,016
Well, because they didn't all go
in consecutive order.
947
00:43:04,059 --> 00:43:05,191
They're... they're all mixed up.
948
00:43:05,234 --> 00:43:06,366
It would just be
even more confusing.
949
00:43:06,409 --> 00:43:07,802
Right, more confusing.
950
00:43:07,846 --> 00:43:09,238
Does anyone else find it funny
951
00:43:09,282 --> 00:43:13,416
that we use labels 51-L
and 61-A, not the number 13?
952
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:15,244
-Okay.
-Doesn't make sense to me.
953
00:43:15,288 --> 00:43:16,637
-Yeah, just me, okay.
-I blame it on Apollo.
954
00:43:16,681 --> 00:43:17,856
Okay.
955
00:43:17,899 --> 00:43:20,336
I'm missing another launch
from October.
956
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:21,990
I've got the 30th.
957
00:43:22,034 --> 00:43:23,122
[Edwin]
Eighty-four or eighty-five?
958
00:43:23,165 --> 00:43:24,210
Eighty-five.
959
00:43:24,253 --> 00:43:27,517
Anyone have October
not 30th 1985?
960
00:43:27,561 --> 00:43:28,606
Anyone?
961
00:43:28,649 --> 00:43:29,781
Somebody talk to me.
962
00:43:29,824 --> 00:43:31,521
Adam?
963
00:43:31,565 --> 00:43:33,828
Adam. Get your head in the game.
964
00:43:34,873 --> 00:43:36,265
[Bill] Adam?
965
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:38,659
You've never been more wrong
about anything.
966
00:43:39,791 --> 00:43:41,880
I get this more than you know.
967
00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:45,971
[Bill] Okay.
968
00:43:48,495 --> 00:43:51,454
I'm gonna go get a cup of...
969
00:43:54,414 --> 00:43:58,548
Hey, um, give me a hand
with these drawings, okay?
970
00:43:58,592 --> 00:44:00,594
You know he's our best shot.
971
00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:02,291
-I know.
-We know.
972
00:44:02,335 --> 00:44:04,337
Yeah, well...
973
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:06,992
he has exactly nine minutes
to get it together.
974
00:44:07,035 --> 00:44:08,123
He better.
975
00:44:09,385 --> 00:44:11,083
As a matter of fact,
all of us need to throw
976
00:44:11,126 --> 00:44:13,259
some cold water on our faces
before we go in there.
977
00:44:14,564 --> 00:44:15,653
Agreed.
978
00:44:17,959 --> 00:44:21,006
[Finch] When you prepared
for the telecon meeting,
979
00:44:21,049 --> 00:44:22,616
had anything changed
in your plan
980
00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:24,400
to approach your higher-ups?
981
00:44:28,143 --> 00:44:29,231
No.
982
00:44:30,102 --> 00:44:31,103
[Mary] Hello?
983
00:44:32,844 --> 00:44:34,019
Hey.
984
00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:36,630
Hey. How's it going over there?
985
00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:39,851
Oh, I got what I wanted,
986
00:44:39,894 --> 00:44:42,201
just not the way that I wanted.
987
00:44:43,898 --> 00:44:45,247
Is it the temperature?
988
00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:48,076
Yes.
989
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,730
The fluorocarbon elastomer.
990
00:44:49,774 --> 00:44:51,036
Yes.
991
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:56,215
You're the only ones.
992
00:44:56,258 --> 00:44:57,564
There's no one else.
993
00:45:01,263 --> 00:45:02,308
Mm-hm.
994
00:45:05,224 --> 00:45:08,967
You have a human problem,
not an engineering problem.
995
00:45:14,973 --> 00:45:16,322
What's next?
996
00:45:17,497 --> 00:45:19,238
What do you have
right in front of you
997
00:45:19,281 --> 00:45:20,805
that you have to do right now?
998
00:45:24,156 --> 00:45:26,375
Stand... stand up and go
in the conference room.
999
00:45:27,594 --> 00:45:28,856
And then what?
1000
00:45:30,815 --> 00:45:32,860
Make sure everyone
has the right documents.
1001
00:45:34,166 --> 00:45:35,341
Then what?
1002
00:45:39,214 --> 00:45:40,781
I'll check the temperature
correlations
1003
00:45:40,825 --> 00:45:42,609
to blowby and seal integrity.
1004
00:45:44,698 --> 00:45:45,786
Good.
1005
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:47,179
You can do this.
1006
00:45:55,927 --> 00:45:56,971
Mary?
1007
00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:01,410
I know.
1008
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:07,765
[thrilling music]
1009
00:46:20,038 --> 00:46:21,169
[keys jangling]
1010
00:46:31,919 --> 00:46:38,186
♪ Divided we stand now
Then later take the fall ♪
1011
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:41,755
♪ As working boys
Ain't got a chance ♪
1012
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,714
♪ Unless we stand up tall
1013
00:46:46,716 --> 00:46:49,894
♪ Whose side are you on, oh
1014
00:46:49,937 --> 00:46:52,592
♪ Whose side are you on?
1015
00:46:52,635 --> 00:46:55,769
♪ Oh
1016
00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:09,217
[Dean retches]
1017
00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:16,311
♪ My daddy was a working man
1018
00:47:16,355 --> 00:47:19,793
♪ Sinners to the sun
1019
00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:22,883
♪ We ain't gonna stop
1020
00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:26,147
♪ Until it's set and done
1021
00:47:26,191 --> 00:47:29,281
♪ The power of the son in hand
1022
00:47:29,324 --> 00:47:32,588
♪ There ain't no
Neutrals there ♪
1023
00:47:32,632 --> 00:47:35,940
♪ You're either be a madman
1024
00:47:35,983 --> 00:47:38,594
♪ Or a surk who doesn't care
1025
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:47,386
♪ Whose side are you on, oh
1026
00:47:47,429 --> 00:47:50,041
♪ Whose side are you on?
1027
00:47:50,084 --> 00:47:52,870
♪ Oh
1028
00:47:59,180 --> 00:48:02,357
♪ Whose side are you on, oh
1029
00:48:02,401 --> 00:48:05,012
♪ Whose side are you on?
1030
00:48:05,056 --> 00:48:07,797
♪ Oh
1031
00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:18,373
♪ Divided we stand now
Then later take the fall ♪
1032
00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:21,811
♪ As working boys
Ain't got a chance ♪
1033
00:48:22,856 --> 00:48:23,901
Yeah.
1034
00:48:28,731 --> 00:48:34,128
♪ Unless we stand up tall
1035
00:48:41,483 --> 00:48:43,050
We are all here, gentlemen.
1036
00:48:44,704 --> 00:48:46,314
[Jim] This is Jim,
1037
00:48:46,358 --> 00:48:48,708
The Company's flight engineer
here at Kennedy Space Center.
1038
00:48:48,751 --> 00:48:50,188
[Nelson]
Good evening, gentlemen.
1039
00:48:50,231 --> 00:48:52,320
Anyone from Marshall on yet?
1040
00:48:52,364 --> 00:48:56,324
Uh, yes. Sid, Rust,
and Pat here.
1041
00:48:56,368 --> 00:48:58,674
[Nelson] All right, what seems
to be the issue here?
1042
00:48:58,718 --> 00:49:01,416
Our best seal expert Adam
1043
00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:04,593
has some concerns
about the temperature.
1044
00:49:04,637 --> 00:49:07,640
I can't stress enough
how important it is
1045
00:49:07,683 --> 00:49:10,208
that how long it takes
for these O-rings to seal
1046
00:49:10,251 --> 00:49:15,256
after they are compressed
is vital to a successful launch.
1047
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:18,259
The bottom line is
the colder it gets,
1048
00:49:18,303 --> 00:49:22,089
the further we move away
from the direction of goodness.
1049
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:23,612
What do you mean
we're moving away
1050
00:49:23,656 --> 00:49:26,572
from the direction of goodness?
1051
00:49:26,615 --> 00:49:29,575
The ability for the seals
to expand in their grooves
1052
00:49:29,618 --> 00:49:32,578
is reduced as a function
of temperature,
1053
00:49:32,621 --> 00:49:36,712
that's when the exhaust blows
right by the gap created,
1054
00:49:36,756 --> 00:49:40,803
burns a hole in the side,
and explodes.
1055
00:49:40,847 --> 00:49:42,718
You have a history of seal
and erosion
1056
00:49:42,762 --> 00:49:45,243
and blowby correlation
from previous relevant launches.
1057
00:49:45,286 --> 00:49:47,332
Pages nine through twenty.
1058
00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:52,946
Yes, there are... there... there
are two seals on each joint.
1059
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:56,776
Now, we have seen the primary
seal breached in the past.
1060
00:49:56,819 --> 00:49:58,038
And we have all discussed
1061
00:49:58,082 --> 00:50:00,475
the primary seal
being compromised,
1062
00:50:01,955 --> 00:50:03,783
and we have all concluded
1063
00:50:03,826 --> 00:50:06,394
that this is an acceptable level
of failure
1064
00:50:06,438 --> 00:50:10,311
if we are confident
the second seal will hold.
1065
00:50:10,355 --> 00:50:14,359
We are unsure the secondary seal
will hold at these temperatures.
1066
00:50:16,404 --> 00:50:19,320
[Nelson] So, you don't know?
1067
00:50:21,801 --> 00:50:23,846
We know that we don't know.
1068
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:26,675
Never has a contractor
spoken more truly.
1069
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,068
Well, thank you, Marshall.
1070
00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,549
We try to keep a handle
on things,
1071
00:50:30,592 --> 00:50:33,682
though not as good as you guys.
1072
00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:35,423
[Pat] We have enough time
to make jokes,
1073
00:50:35,467 --> 00:50:37,512
but we don't have enough time
to fix seals.
1074
00:50:37,556 --> 00:50:40,559
If the seals are a problem,
then why aren't they
1075
00:50:40,602 --> 00:50:44,171
in the problem assessment system
documents we have here?
1076
00:50:44,215 --> 00:50:47,131
And why are we just hearing
about it now, tonight?
1077
00:50:47,174 --> 00:50:49,568
Yeah, I'm gonna let our
problem assessment expert
1078
00:50:49,611 --> 00:50:51,309
handle that one.
1079
00:50:51,352 --> 00:50:52,571
Frank?
1080
00:50:54,225 --> 00:51:00,579
Uh, because it looks
to be like that
1081
00:51:00,622 --> 00:51:03,103
we left them off
of the document.
1082
00:51:04,017 --> 00:51:05,410
Because it was fixed?
1083
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:07,368
[Frank] No, sir.
1084
00:51:07,412 --> 00:51:09,327
Because they were always
on there.
1085
00:51:10,458 --> 00:51:12,286
[Nelson] I don't understand.
1086
00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:14,158
[Pat] So you're saying
we took a problem
1087
00:51:14,201 --> 00:51:16,638
of the problem assessment system
1088
00:51:16,682 --> 00:51:18,945
because it's still a problem?
1089
00:51:18,988 --> 00:51:24,255
We all agreed
that these ongoing problems
1090
00:51:24,298 --> 00:51:28,824
were cluttering up the PASes,
no one was looking at them.
1091
00:51:28,868 --> 00:51:31,218
And the things that we took off
1092
00:51:31,262 --> 00:51:34,439
were to be handled
by a special committee.
1093
00:51:34,482 --> 00:51:37,311
Uh, seems like,
what's the main seal guy's name?
1094
00:51:37,355 --> 00:51:38,573
[Kurt] Adam.
1095
00:51:38,617 --> 00:51:41,750
Seems like Adam thinks
the problem isn't fixed.
1096
00:51:41,794 --> 00:51:43,839
We all agreed
the problem is acceptable.
1097
00:51:43,883 --> 00:51:46,712
We've never launched a shuttle
below 53 Degrees
1098
00:51:46,755 --> 00:51:48,888
and we're moving
into the coldest launch
1099
00:51:48,931 --> 00:51:50,585
in NASA's history.
1100
00:51:50,629 --> 00:51:53,588
So you're changing
the launch criteria
1101
00:51:53,632 --> 00:51:59,116
from 40 degrees to 53 degrees
the night before the launch?
1102
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,075
We're saying
this is our data limitation.
1103
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,686
When we run tests
and squeeze the rubber...
1104
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:07,036
Look at page 38.
1105
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,213
When we squeeze it
at 100 degrees,
1106
00:52:09,256 --> 00:52:12,346
and then let off the pressure
we never lose contact,
1107
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:15,175
but at 50 degrees
when we let off the pressure,
1108
00:52:15,219 --> 00:52:16,524
it takes a few minutes
1109
00:52:16,568 --> 00:52:19,223
for the rubber
to spring back into place.
1110
00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:21,486
[Nelson] Your test does not
represent reality.
1111
00:52:21,529 --> 00:52:24,141
The O-rings are constantly
under pressure,
1112
00:52:24,184 --> 00:52:26,447
your conclusion is not logical.
1113
00:52:26,491 --> 00:52:28,188
It is logical.
1114
00:52:28,232 --> 00:52:30,712
It proves that the fluorocarbon
elastomer rubber
1115
00:52:30,756 --> 00:52:33,106
is absolutely affected
by temperature.
1116
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:35,761
If we lose the seal
for a tenth of a second,
1117
00:52:35,804 --> 00:52:38,546
the hot fire and gases
could blowby the seal
1118
00:52:38,590 --> 00:52:41,419
and erode the O-ring,
which we have seen happen.
1119
00:52:41,462 --> 00:52:44,509
And if the secondary backup
O-ring does the same thing,
1120
00:52:44,552 --> 00:52:45,727
is compromised...
1121
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,035
that's the ball game.
1122
00:52:49,078 --> 00:52:52,473
We've seen blowby
on STS-61-A also.
1123
00:52:52,517 --> 00:52:54,780
It's page four.
1124
00:52:54,823 --> 00:52:58,610
It says here that the launch
went off at 75 degrees
1125
00:52:58,653 --> 00:53:00,307
and you got blowby.
1126
00:53:00,351 --> 00:53:01,917
[Nelson] I just don't understand
1127
00:53:01,961 --> 00:53:03,702
how you can determine
temperature
1128
00:53:03,745 --> 00:53:05,356
is the deciding factor.
1129
00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:08,446
[Adam] Yeah, I'd like to answer
that one please.
1130
00:53:08,489 --> 00:53:11,057
I just don't understand
how you don't understand
1131
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,103
that the cold makes rubber
harder and less flexible.
1132
00:53:14,147 --> 00:53:18,630
It's warm, there's blowby.
It's cold, there's blowby.
1133
00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:20,980
[Nelson]
It's warm, there's erosion.
1134
00:53:21,023 --> 00:53:23,200
It's cold, there's erosion.
1135
00:53:23,243 --> 00:53:26,986
It doesn't seem to matter
what temperature it is.
1136
00:53:27,029 --> 00:53:29,554
Yeah, if you'll just look at it
with a rudimentary pass-fail,
1137
00:53:29,597 --> 00:53:31,991
then, yes,
they both get blowby.
1138
00:53:32,034 --> 00:53:34,298
But if you get scientific
about it,
1139
00:53:34,341 --> 00:53:35,995
at the colder temperatures,
1140
00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:38,737
the soot from the blowby
is jet-black.
1141
00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:43,089
At 75 degrees, the soot from the
blowby is light gray, spotty.
1142
00:53:43,132 --> 00:53:44,482
I examined them myself.
1143
00:53:44,525 --> 00:53:46,005
Now, if you can't see
the difference,
1144
00:53:46,048 --> 00:53:47,615
I can't help you.
1145
00:53:47,659 --> 00:53:50,966
We have seen primary
seal failure in the past.
1146
00:53:51,010 --> 00:53:53,273
And if you see
primary seal failure,
1147
00:53:53,317 --> 00:53:56,537
then there is a high probability
of secondary seal failure
1148
00:53:56,581 --> 00:53:58,452
within the first second
of ignition
1149
00:53:58,496 --> 00:54:00,976
when the rocket flexes
at the joint.
1150
00:54:01,020 --> 00:54:02,935
And it will flex.
1151
00:54:02,978 --> 00:54:05,851
And when the seals
are compromised, you get blowby.
1152
00:54:05,894 --> 00:54:07,940
The blowby erodes the seals.
1153
00:54:07,983 --> 00:54:09,855
And that's when you have
rocket flames
1154
00:54:09,898 --> 00:54:12,249
shooting out the side
instead of the bottom.
1155
00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:16,340
And you have never seen
secondary backup seal failure?
1156
00:54:16,383 --> 00:54:18,124
Actually, we have.
1157
00:54:18,167 --> 00:54:24,391
STS-51-B, the secondary O-ring
suffered 12% erosion.
1158
00:54:24,435 --> 00:54:26,437
So why wasn't that
the ball game, Bill?
1159
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,699
[Bill] What do you mean?
1160
00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:29,266
Well, you said earlier,
1161
00:54:29,309 --> 00:54:31,398
that if we have secondary
seal failure,
1162
00:54:31,442 --> 00:54:33,400
it would be the ball game.
1163
00:54:33,444 --> 00:54:35,359
This says it's happened before.
1164
00:54:35,402 --> 00:54:37,012
Just because we done it once
1165
00:54:37,056 --> 00:54:38,144
doesn't mean
we could do it again.
1166
00:54:38,187 --> 00:54:39,580
We did it by the skin
of our teeth.
1167
00:54:39,624 --> 00:54:42,017
Is this how we're going
to keep going?
1168
00:54:42,061 --> 00:54:44,150
Like a child who runs out
into the road
1169
00:54:44,193 --> 00:54:45,456
and nothing happens.
1170
00:54:45,499 --> 00:54:46,761
He says, "See, I'm just fine.
1171
00:54:46,805 --> 00:54:48,502
Let's just keep on running out
into the road."
1172
00:54:48,546 --> 00:54:50,069
And the parents do nothing?
1173
00:54:50,112 --> 00:54:51,200
Oh.
1174
00:54:51,244 --> 00:54:52,376
So you're the parent?
1175
00:54:52,419 --> 00:54:53,942
Someone has to be.
1176
00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:55,988
I just can't believe that
it's a function of temperature.
1177
00:54:56,031 --> 00:54:57,903
The data is inconclusive.
1178
00:54:57,946 --> 00:55:01,036
I can't accept
this train of thought.
1179
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,647
If you take a look
at the synopsis,
1180
00:55:02,690 --> 00:55:04,736
we should not launch
with an O-ring temperature
1181
00:55:04,779 --> 00:55:07,086
below 53 degrees Fahrenheit.
1182
00:55:07,129 --> 00:55:09,523
It shouldn't matter that we've
skirted disaster in the past.
1183
00:55:09,567 --> 00:55:11,960
The odds will catch
with us eventually.
1184
00:55:12,004 --> 00:55:14,093
[Nelson]Quantify your results.
1185
00:55:16,965 --> 00:55:18,358
Quantify?
1186
00:55:18,402 --> 00:55:21,187
What is the probability
of primary
1187
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:23,755
and secondary O-ring failure?
1188
00:55:23,798 --> 00:55:26,018
I don't understand
your question.
1189
00:55:26,061 --> 00:55:27,715
[Nelson] Quantify!
1190
00:55:27,759 --> 00:55:30,849
How do you quantify
a train is coming?
1191
00:55:30,892 --> 00:55:33,939
You look down the tracks
and you see a train is coming.
1192
00:55:33,982 --> 00:55:38,030
I am telling you to do it.
Quantify your results!
1193
00:55:38,073 --> 00:55:40,685
No, I can't.
I can't do that with this data!
1194
00:55:40,728 --> 00:55:43,731
I can only work with the data
in front of me.
1195
00:55:43,775 --> 00:55:45,820
You're giving me oranges
1196
00:55:45,864 --> 00:55:47,909
and asking me to bake you
an apple pie.
1197
00:55:47,953 --> 00:55:49,650
I can't do that.
1198
00:55:49,694 --> 00:55:53,698
What I can quantify
with 100% accuracy
1199
00:55:53,741 --> 00:55:55,613
is that right now
we are moving away
1200
00:55:55,656 --> 00:55:58,006
from the direction of goodness.
1201
00:55:58,050 --> 00:56:01,401
I don't... I don't understand
this conversation. I...
1202
00:56:01,445 --> 00:56:04,491
The facts don't lie!
1203
00:56:04,535 --> 00:56:06,537
I don't understand
how you can see the facts
1204
00:56:06,580 --> 00:56:08,321
and they don't convince you.
1205
00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:10,454
Cold rubber doesn't lie.
1206
00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:12,673
Recovered rockets don't lie.
1207
00:56:12,717 --> 00:56:15,937
Burned up,
charred up O-rings don't lie.
1208
00:56:17,635 --> 00:56:19,506
I'm right about this.
1209
00:56:19,550 --> 00:56:20,638
I am.
1210
00:56:22,291 --> 00:56:26,252
You hired me to do a job,
and by God, I'm gonna do it.
1211
00:56:26,295 --> 00:56:31,997
And I don't care if it ruins me,
or you, or NASA
1212
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,216
or anybody else, you get me?
1213
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:39,787
[Sid]So what do you think, Pat?
1214
00:56:41,136 --> 00:56:42,573
I am appalled
that you would dare
1215
00:56:42,616 --> 00:56:44,444
to make such a recommendation.
1216
00:56:44,488 --> 00:56:48,361
And change the flight criteria
the night before a launch?
1217
00:56:49,449 --> 00:56:50,668
Look here,
1218
00:56:50,711 --> 00:56:54,498
it is expected to be
29-39 degrees tomorrow.
1219
00:56:54,541 --> 00:56:56,456
Even your high temperature
1220
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:58,415
is outside
of our data experience.
1221
00:56:59,546 --> 00:57:01,548
Haven't you been
getting ice already?
1222
00:57:04,203 --> 00:57:05,552
Fine.
1223
00:57:05,596 --> 00:57:07,772
I'm not gonna go against
a contractor's assessment.
1224
00:57:10,818 --> 00:57:14,387
When do you want me to launch?
Next April?
1225
00:57:20,741 --> 00:57:23,570
[Nelson] I can't go against
a contractor's recommendation
1226
00:57:23,614 --> 00:57:24,658
to stop the launch.
1227
00:57:33,014 --> 00:57:34,015
Pat?
1228
00:57:35,974 --> 00:57:37,062
Jim?
1229
00:57:38,367 --> 00:57:40,718
This has to be
an engineering decision,
1230
00:57:40,761 --> 00:57:42,720
not program or management.
1231
00:57:44,156 --> 00:57:46,811
Kurt? You wanna give us a final?
1232
00:57:46,854 --> 00:57:49,988
Uh, can you give us
about five minutes, please?
1233
00:57:51,076 --> 00:57:52,120
[Nelson] Yes. You bet.
1234
00:57:52,164 --> 00:57:53,339
Thank you.
1235
00:57:54,862 --> 00:57:58,387
This is so backwards.
1236
00:57:58,431 --> 00:58:01,913
Generating new launch criteria
the night before you launch,
1237
00:58:01,956 --> 00:58:04,045
that's backwards.
1238
00:58:04,089 --> 00:58:07,092
I suspect our guys
are gathering more data,
1239
00:58:07,135 --> 00:58:08,441
running numbers to come up
1240
00:58:08,485 --> 00:58:10,791
with a more accurate
temperature launch window.
1241
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,404
Whatever they're doing,
they had better come back
1242
00:58:15,448 --> 00:58:17,798
with a way to quantify
their recommendation.
1243
00:58:23,108 --> 00:58:24,501
What was that?
1244
00:58:24,544 --> 00:58:26,938
So now we have to prove
that something doesn't work?
1245
00:58:26,981 --> 00:58:29,070
Instead of having to prove
that it does work?
1246
00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:36,121
[whispering]
1247
00:58:39,733 --> 00:58:41,605
We need to make
a management decision.
1248
00:58:41,648 --> 00:58:43,128
We can't do that.
1249
00:58:45,565 --> 00:58:48,525
Please, look at the chart
in front of you.
1250
00:58:50,135 --> 00:58:51,789
If Bill...
if it tell say nothing,
1251
00:58:51,832 --> 00:58:54,922
let them show you
our uncertainty.
1252
00:58:54,966 --> 00:58:57,838
We cannot guarantee a good seal!
[thumps on table]
1253
00:59:02,495 --> 00:59:03,844
I don't know what else to say.
1254
00:59:08,109 --> 00:59:09,720
Black soot. Look at 'em.
1255
00:59:10,764 --> 00:59:12,026
Look at 'em!
1256
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:14,942
[Lester] Data is inconclusive.
1257
00:59:14,986 --> 00:59:17,554
I wouldn't get
on that shuttle tomorrow.
1258
00:59:17,597 --> 00:59:19,730
You're not an astronaut.
1259
00:59:19,773 --> 00:59:21,775
That's right.
I'm not an astronaut.
1260
00:59:21,819 --> 00:59:23,995
But their lives
are in our hands.
1261
00:59:25,126 --> 00:59:26,998
Would you get on that shuttle?
1262
00:59:27,041 --> 00:59:28,260
They know the risks.
1263
00:59:28,303 --> 00:59:30,175
And that's not our concern.
1264
00:59:31,306 --> 00:59:32,351
What?
1265
00:59:34,875 --> 00:59:37,574
-What kind of a man are you?
-[Kurt] Adam!
1266
00:59:37,617 --> 00:59:41,012
Who... How dare you play
with human life like that?
1267
00:59:41,055 --> 00:59:44,232
Who do you think you are?
God? Huh?
1268
00:59:44,276 --> 00:59:47,671
You think you get to decide
who lives and who dies?
1269
00:59:50,412 --> 00:59:53,502
This is despicable
is what this is.
1270
00:59:53,546 --> 00:59:56,375
You're a weak,
spineless man, who can't...
1271
00:59:56,418 --> 01:00:01,859
won't give these poor souls
a chance, so... so what?
1272
01:00:01,902 --> 01:00:03,991
So we can keep our stupid jobs?
1273
01:00:04,035 --> 01:00:08,343
And make an extra buck or two?
Huh?
1274
01:00:08,387 --> 01:00:11,042
You're willing to drive right up
to the edge of the cliff,
1275
01:00:11,085 --> 01:00:14,436
just to see how close
you can get without falling off.
1276
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,482
You're gonna fall off tomorrow.
1277
01:00:18,179 --> 01:00:20,529
I tell you what,
why don't you put on
1278
01:00:20,573 --> 01:00:22,575
one of those pretty
blue costumes and a helmet,
1279
01:00:22,619 --> 01:00:24,316
drive yourself down to that cage
1280
01:00:24,359 --> 01:00:26,274
with a bomb strapped under it,
huh?
1281
01:00:26,318 --> 01:00:30,017
Better yet, why don't you invite
your wife or your daughter?
1282
01:00:30,061 --> 01:00:33,064
This is not a management
decision.
1283
01:01:05,487 --> 01:01:07,838
NASA, we took a second look
at our data,
1284
01:01:07,881 --> 01:01:09,753
and we've determined
that it is inconclusive.
1285
01:01:10,841 --> 01:01:12,233
Our recommendation is to launch.
1286
01:01:14,453 --> 01:01:16,324
[Pat]
Are there any disagreements?
1287
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:19,458
Then it's a go.
1288
01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:22,200
[Carl inhales sharply]
1289
01:01:24,115 --> 01:01:25,899
[Larry]Why didn't you speak up
after that?
1290
01:01:27,771 --> 01:01:29,076
Why did you stay silent?
1291
01:01:31,383 --> 01:01:33,080
You guys were the engineers.
1292
01:01:33,994 --> 01:01:35,561
You should have said something.
1293
01:01:38,564 --> 01:01:39,913
I don't know
what to say to that.
1294
01:01:42,873 --> 01:01:47,442
That's exactly why you need
our help, to get through this.
1295
01:01:47,486 --> 01:01:49,183
These questions
are gonna come up.
1296
01:01:51,229 --> 01:01:52,752
You need to have an answer.
1297
01:01:52,796 --> 01:01:56,364
Can you fax over a flight
recommendation to get signed?
1298
01:01:56,408 --> 01:01:57,975
Right away.
1299
01:01:58,018 --> 01:02:00,455
[fax machine whirring]
1300
01:02:10,857 --> 01:02:13,381
Please sign this.
1301
01:02:13,425 --> 01:02:15,514
Oh, no.
1302
01:02:15,557 --> 01:02:19,344
We need someone
from your company to sign this.
1303
01:02:19,387 --> 01:02:20,780
I'm not signing that.
1304
01:02:27,961 --> 01:02:30,050
Can we have someone
from your end
1305
01:02:30,094 --> 01:02:35,577
sign a flight recommendation
and fax it over, please?
1306
01:02:37,231 --> 01:02:38,232
[Myron] Right away.
1307
01:02:43,455 --> 01:02:45,544
The recovery boats
coming back in
1308
01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:47,067
was enough to scrap the launch.
1309
01:02:47,111 --> 01:02:48,895
The wind was enough
to scrap the launch.
1310
01:02:48,939 --> 01:02:50,897
The ice was enough
to scrap the launch.
1311
01:02:50,941 --> 01:02:53,682
Let alone your contractor
safety concerns.
1312
01:03:04,737 --> 01:03:06,478
If something happens tomorrow,
1313
01:03:06,521 --> 01:03:08,523
I wouldn't want to be the one
to stand up in front
1314
01:03:08,567 --> 01:03:10,917
of some board of inquisition
and give testimony
1315
01:03:10,961 --> 01:03:14,486
as to why I chose to launch
against the qualifications
1316
01:03:14,529 --> 01:03:17,141
and recommendations
of my engineers.
1317
01:03:20,231 --> 01:03:21,275
[groans]
1318
01:03:25,018 --> 01:03:27,020
[somber music]
1319
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,042
[somber music continues]
1320
01:04:25,687 --> 01:04:27,689
[engine revving]
1321
01:04:53,063 --> 01:04:55,065
[somber music]
1322
01:05:49,075 --> 01:05:51,599
[clock ticking]
1323
01:05:51,643 --> 01:05:53,123
[announcer]
The T-minus ten seconds
1324
01:05:53,166 --> 01:05:56,169
to burn off any residual
hydrogen gas.
1325
01:05:56,213 --> 01:05:59,085
T-minus 45 seconds and counting.
1326
01:05:59,129 --> 01:06:02,219
The Solid Rocket Booster flight instrumentation reporters
1327
01:06:02,262 --> 01:06:04,177
have gone into the record mode.
1328
01:06:07,354 --> 01:06:11,010
Coming up on the 32nd point
in our countdown.
1329
01:06:11,054 --> 01:06:14,274
The SRB hydraulic power
units have started.
1330
01:06:14,318 --> 01:06:15,972
T-minus 21 seconds.
1331
01:06:16,015 --> 01:06:19,758
And the Solid Rocket Booster engine gimbal is now underway.
1332
01:06:21,064 --> 01:06:22,935
T-minus 15 seconds.
1333
01:06:25,503 --> 01:06:27,287
T-minus ten.
1334
01:06:27,331 --> 01:06:30,943
Nine, eight, seven, six...
1335
01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:32,901
We have main engine start.
1336
01:06:32,945 --> 01:06:36,731
...four, three, two, one.
1337
01:06:36,775 --> 01:06:38,298
And lift off.
1338
01:06:38,342 --> 01:06:41,606
Lift of from the 25th
space shuttle mission
1339
01:06:41,649 --> 01:06:43,086
and it has cleared the tower.
1340
01:06:44,087 --> 01:06:48,656
[indistinct radio chatter]
1341
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:51,703
[rumbling]
1342
01:06:54,532 --> 01:06:56,360
[man #1] Challenger now
heading down range.
1343
01:07:04,716 --> 01:07:08,676
Engine's beginning throttling
now at 94 percent.
1344
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,984
Normal throttle, uh,
most applied 104 percent.
1345
01:07:14,204 --> 01:07:17,424
It will travel down to, uh,
65 percent, shortly.
1346
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:22,386
Engine's at 65 percent.
1347
01:07:22,429 --> 01:07:24,127
Three engines
are running normally.
1348
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:25,302
Three good fuel cells.
1349
01:07:25,345 --> 01:07:26,607
Three good engines.
1350
01:07:27,521 --> 01:07:28,783
Engines throttling up.
1351
01:07:28,827 --> 01:07:30,394
Three engines now
at 104 percent.
1352
01:07:30,437 --> 01:07:32,483
[man #2] Challenger, go and throttle up.
1353
01:07:32,526 --> 01:07:33,788
[man #3] Challenger's gonna throttle up.
1354
01:07:36,052 --> 01:07:37,227
[explosion]
1355
01:07:38,793 --> 01:07:40,056
[man #1]
One minute, fifteen seconds.
1356
01:07:40,099 --> 01:07:41,709
Velocity, 2900 feet per second.
1357
01:07:41,753 --> 01:07:43,233
An altitude,
nine nautical miles.
1358
01:07:43,276 --> 01:07:44,843
Generates distance,
seven nautical miles.
1359
01:08:08,562 --> 01:08:10,956
Did you know the investigation
turned up the fact
1360
01:08:10,999 --> 01:08:14,046
that some of them
survived the initial explosion?
1361
01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:18,920
[clattering]
1362
01:08:18,964 --> 01:08:22,228
Some of the safety switch
protocols had been activated.
1363
01:08:23,186 --> 01:08:25,666
[rumbling]
1364
01:08:25,710 --> 01:08:29,105
[wind swishing]
1365
01:08:30,889 --> 01:08:33,587
[wind gusting]
1366
01:08:33,631 --> 01:08:34,719
[woman gasps]
1367
01:08:38,723 --> 01:08:41,900
Did they die on impact?
Did they drown?
1368
01:08:41,943 --> 01:08:43,162
Did they suffocate?
1369
01:08:44,555 --> 01:08:46,122
[clattering]
1370
01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:50,778
[woman whimpers]
1371
01:08:55,348 --> 01:08:56,567
[wind gusts]
1372
01:09:00,310 --> 01:09:02,225
I guess it doesn't matter.
1373
01:09:04,923 --> 01:09:06,403
Did you know any of them?
1374
01:09:10,233 --> 01:09:11,277
No.
1375
01:09:13,845 --> 01:09:15,194
[Adam] Never met a single one.
1376
01:09:19,503 --> 01:09:22,723
[Larry] This is a tragedy.
1377
01:09:22,767 --> 01:09:27,902
A true tragedy, one our nation
will not soon forget.
1378
01:09:30,340 --> 01:09:33,908
But I think we have to remember,
it's a risky business.
1379
01:09:34,779 --> 01:09:35,823
[Adam] It is.
1380
01:09:37,042 --> 01:09:38,304
But you know what?
1381
01:09:38,348 --> 01:09:41,742
I'm really gettin' kinda sick
of hearing that.
1382
01:09:41,786 --> 01:09:45,224
Least we had Reagan
to comfort us, though, huh?
1383
01:09:45,268 --> 01:09:48,445
[Reagan] Today is a day
of mourning and remembering.
1384
01:09:48,488 --> 01:09:49,924
We know we share this pain
1385
01:09:49,968 --> 01:09:52,405
with all of the people
of our country.
1386
01:09:52,449 --> 01:09:55,452
This is truly a national loss.
1387
01:09:55,495 --> 01:09:57,758
To the families of the seven,
1388
01:09:57,802 --> 01:10:01,240
we cannot bear as you do the full impact of this tragedy.
1389
01:10:02,198 --> 01:10:03,634
But we feel the loss
1390
01:10:03,677 --> 01:10:06,767
and we're thinking
about you so very much.
1391
01:10:06,811 --> 01:10:08,726
I've always had great faith in
1392
01:10:08,769 --> 01:10:10,989
and respect
for our space program.
1393
01:10:11,032 --> 01:10:14,079
And what happened today
does nothing to diminish it.
1394
01:10:14,122 --> 01:10:16,081
We don't hide our space program,
1395
01:10:16,124 --> 01:10:18,779
we don't keep secrets
and cover things up.
1396
01:10:18,823 --> 01:10:21,608
We do it all upfront
and in public.
1397
01:10:21,652 --> 01:10:23,131
That's the way freedom is
1398
01:10:23,175 --> 01:10:25,743
and we wouldn't change it
for a minute.
1399
01:10:25,786 --> 01:10:28,224
We'll continue
our quest in space.
1400
01:10:28,267 --> 01:10:29,703
There would be
more shuttle flights
1401
01:10:29,747 --> 01:10:31,444
and more shuttle crews.
1402
01:10:31,488 --> 01:10:34,055
And, yes, more volunteers,
more civilians,
1403
01:10:34,099 --> 01:10:36,449
more teachers in space.
1404
01:10:36,493 --> 01:10:37,798
Nothing ends here.
1405
01:10:39,060 --> 01:10:40,540
We will never forget them,
1406
01:10:40,584 --> 01:10:43,848
nor the last time we saw them, this morning.
1407
01:10:43,891 --> 01:10:45,415
As they prepared
for their journey
1408
01:10:45,458 --> 01:10:47,373
and waved goodbye,
1409
01:10:47,417 --> 01:10:51,116
and "slipped
the slurry bonds of Earth"
1410
01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:52,639
to "touch the face of God."
1411
01:10:54,032 --> 01:10:55,076
Thank you.
1412
01:10:59,646 --> 01:11:00,647
[sighs]
1413
01:11:03,824 --> 01:11:05,826
[breaths heavily]
1414
01:11:16,228 --> 01:11:17,925
[stutters]
What are you doing?
1415
01:11:17,969 --> 01:11:19,013
[Adam]
Getting rid of this thing.
1416
01:11:19,057 --> 01:11:20,711
[Mary] Why?
1417
01:11:20,754 --> 01:11:23,322
Adam, can you just wait
just one second?
1418
01:11:23,366 --> 01:11:25,455
Adam, what do you think
this is going to solve?
1419
01:11:25,498 --> 01:11:26,630
[Adam] I don't know.
1420
01:11:26,673 --> 01:11:28,371
You don't have to throw away
our TV.
1421
01:11:28,414 --> 01:11:30,286
Mary, I don't want
all of this getting in.
1422
01:11:30,329 --> 01:11:31,591
Getting in? What are talking...
1423
01:11:31,635 --> 01:11:33,289
The reports, the
investigations, the accusations.
1424
01:11:33,332 --> 01:11:34,377
Haven't you heard
what he was saying?
1425
01:11:34,420 --> 01:11:36,074
Against me. Against us.
1426
01:11:36,117 --> 01:11:37,902
You didn't do anything.
1427
01:11:46,084 --> 01:11:47,085
[Mary] Hey.
1428
01:11:47,912 --> 01:11:49,174
You did something.
1429
01:11:50,915 --> 01:11:52,308
That amounted to nothing.
1430
01:11:54,092 --> 01:11:55,659
You didn't do anything wrong.
1431
01:12:00,664 --> 01:12:02,056
What?
1432
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:03,667
You did the right thing.
1433
01:12:03,710 --> 01:12:05,321
[Adam] I did the right thing?
1434
01:12:05,364 --> 01:12:07,671
This is where you end up
when you do the right thing.
1435
01:12:07,714 --> 01:12:09,716
Right out here in the alley,
right next to the trash
1436
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,849
where the... where the neighbors
can look at you
1437
01:12:11,892 --> 01:12:14,373
and gawk, "Oh, there he is,
there's the engineer,
1438
01:12:14,417 --> 01:12:16,070
that's the guy
that works for the O-rings,
1439
01:12:16,114 --> 01:12:18,682
killed seven people," Mary.
1440
01:12:18,725 --> 01:12:20,161
So, yeah, this spot right here,
1441
01:12:20,205 --> 01:12:22,163
this is where you end up
when you do the right thing.
1442
01:12:23,426 --> 01:12:25,471
You didn't do anything wrong.
1443
01:12:26,646 --> 01:12:28,126
I could've...
1444
01:12:28,169 --> 01:12:29,910
I could've done so much more.
1445
01:12:29,954 --> 01:12:31,738
No. No. You couldn't have.
1446
01:12:31,782 --> 01:12:33,827
You did everything
that you could have.
1447
01:12:33,871 --> 01:12:35,612
-[Adam] No!
-All of you did.
1448
01:12:35,655 --> 01:12:38,484
Well, did I, uh,
did I call the media?
1449
01:12:38,528 --> 01:12:40,094
Did... did I call
the astronauts?
1450
01:12:40,138 --> 01:12:41,835
Did I try to call
the astronaut's families?
1451
01:12:41,879 --> 01:12:45,578
Did I pick up the red phone
and try to call the president?
1452
01:12:45,622 --> 01:12:46,884
Did I jump in my car
1453
01:12:46,927 --> 01:12:49,060
and go flying all the way down
to Florida
1454
01:12:49,103 --> 01:12:51,105
and go lay down
in the middle of the launch pad
1455
01:12:51,149 --> 01:12:54,500
to try to stop this thing
that I knew was gonna happen?
1456
01:12:54,544 --> 01:12:56,807
I know. I know you knew it.
1457
01:12:56,850 --> 01:12:58,069
But it wouldn't have
changed anything
1458
01:12:58,112 --> 01:12:59,549
because they didn't listen.
1459
01:13:01,028 --> 01:13:02,160
They didn't listen.
1460
01:13:02,203 --> 01:13:04,510
They should have pushed
the launch...
1461
01:13:06,469 --> 01:13:08,122
They should have pushed
the launch.
1462
01:13:09,646 --> 01:13:13,171
They should've pushed it
a few hours, a few weeks, days,
1463
01:13:13,214 --> 01:13:14,302
whatever it took.
1464
01:13:15,216 --> 01:13:16,479
But they didn't.
1465
01:13:16,522 --> 01:13:18,263
And that is on them.
1466
01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:22,310
You were right.
1467
01:13:27,098 --> 01:13:28,360
I was right.
1468
01:13:31,624 --> 01:13:32,625
I was right.
1469
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:36,324
So what?
1470
01:13:39,676 --> 01:13:44,507
We... This is too heavy
a burden to carry.
1471
01:13:47,031 --> 01:13:50,426
This is what you need to be
throwing away, not the TV.
1472
01:13:50,469 --> 01:13:54,430
Mary, I wasn't the right man
for the job.
1473
01:13:54,473 --> 01:13:56,388
But that's not how this works.
1474
01:14:08,052 --> 01:14:09,706
You can throw it away,
1475
01:14:09,749 --> 01:14:11,447
but it's not gonna
change anything.
1476
01:14:17,627 --> 01:14:19,498
Maybe not,
1477
01:14:19,542 --> 01:14:21,935
but you get to decide
where you go from here.
1478
01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:28,464
[somber music]
1479
01:14:44,218 --> 01:14:47,308
What happened in Utah
a few weeks after?
1480
01:14:47,352 --> 01:14:49,963
[Adam] I don't know.
People were upset.
1481
01:14:50,007 --> 01:14:52,444
Uh, the whole town
has a stake in this.
1482
01:14:52,488 --> 01:14:54,446
Most of us who live here,
work there.
1483
01:14:55,969 --> 01:15:00,583
There were a few individuals
who decided to pull
1484
01:15:00,626 --> 01:15:04,325
a very insensitive stunt,
we don't know who they were.
1485
01:15:04,369 --> 01:15:07,024
Did you feel like
it was directed at you?
1486
01:15:08,678 --> 01:15:10,418
Yeah, I did.
1487
01:15:13,813 --> 01:15:15,859
[somber music]
1488
01:16:12,524 --> 01:16:14,526
[foreboding music]
1489
01:16:15,701 --> 01:16:16,963
[Adam] Hey. Hey.
1490
01:16:20,488 --> 01:16:22,926
Does anybody call you names
because of what happened?
1491
01:16:22,969 --> 01:16:24,144
[Emma] Some of them.
1492
01:16:25,798 --> 01:16:26,886
Yeah.
1493
01:16:28,888 --> 01:16:31,456
I am so sorry
that this is happening to you.
1494
01:16:32,892 --> 01:16:35,199
Can we just leave now
and never come back?
1495
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:38,855
No.
1496
01:16:40,683 --> 01:16:42,989
No, something wrong
has been done,
1497
01:16:43,033 --> 01:16:46,384
and your dad
has to see it through, okay?
1498
01:16:46,427 --> 01:16:47,472
[Emma] Why?
1499
01:16:52,172 --> 01:16:53,609
I'm not sure why.
1500
01:16:56,481 --> 01:16:57,874
And I'm not sure it matters.
1501
01:16:59,353 --> 01:17:00,920
I don't wanna go
to school today.
1502
01:17:01,704 --> 01:17:05,142
Oh. Come here.
1503
01:17:05,185 --> 01:17:08,711
You don't have to, kiddo,
you don't have to.
1504
01:17:10,103 --> 01:17:11,975
But you are gonna have
to go back.
1505
01:17:14,151 --> 01:17:15,892
And when you do,
it's gonna be hard.
1506
01:17:17,458 --> 01:17:18,677
I want you
to remember something,
1507
01:17:18,721 --> 01:17:20,592
and you remember this always...
1508
01:17:23,377 --> 01:17:25,989
your dad tried to stop
that launch
1509
01:17:26,032 --> 01:17:27,817
when no one else would.
1510
01:17:29,819 --> 01:17:31,081
That's the truth.
1511
01:17:31,124 --> 01:17:33,126
[somber music]
1512
01:17:41,265 --> 01:17:44,703
They will eventually call anyone
and everyone
1513
01:17:44,747 --> 01:17:46,139
who has a significant role
1514
01:17:46,183 --> 01:17:48,620
in the Solid Rocket Booster
fabrication to testify
1515
01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:51,449
before the commission of
President Reagan has assembled.
1516
01:17:52,580 --> 01:17:53,712
It's a witch hunt.
1517
01:17:53,756 --> 01:17:54,974
It's not a witch hunt.
1518
01:17:55,018 --> 01:17:57,890
It's just
a Fact-Finding Committee.
1519
01:17:57,934 --> 01:18:00,893
Well, they've found an awful lot
of facts lately, haven't they?
1520
01:18:01,851 --> 01:18:03,722
Like what?
1521
01:18:03,766 --> 01:18:06,377
Like that New York Times
article,
1522
01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:09,554
where an insider
leaked sensitive information.
1523
01:18:09,597 --> 01:18:13,036
It's not sensitive information,
it's the truth.
1524
01:18:13,079 --> 01:18:14,864
And if you're implying
that I'm the one who leaked,
1525
01:18:14,907 --> 01:18:16,039
you're out of your mind.
1526
01:18:16,082 --> 01:18:18,519
Do not give out
any more information
1527
01:18:18,563 --> 01:18:20,957
than is absolutely necessary.
1528
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,047
Yes, no, or I don't know.
1529
01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:26,179
You shouldn't antagonize
these people.
1530
01:18:26,223 --> 01:18:28,747
Don't go out there on your own.
1531
01:18:28,791 --> 01:18:30,531
I'm telling you,
for your own sake.
1532
01:18:30,575 --> 01:18:33,621
I don't like the way
you said that.
1533
01:18:33,665 --> 01:18:35,667
Do you want the space program
to continue.
1534
01:18:35,711 --> 01:18:37,800
-Yes or no?
-[Jim] That's not the question.
1535
01:18:37,843 --> 01:18:40,324
Yes or no?
1536
01:18:40,367 --> 01:18:44,632
That is the question.
That is the only question.
1537
01:18:44,676 --> 01:18:46,417
You engineers seem to think
that in few weeks,
1538
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:47,766
it's business as usual.
1539
01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:49,507
Well, I have news for you.
1540
01:18:49,550 --> 01:18:53,076
You are not flying again
anytime soon.
1541
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:55,121
You get to decide when.
1542
01:18:55,165 --> 01:18:56,732
How long do you wanna wait
1543
01:18:56,775 --> 01:18:58,168
before the next shuttle
is on the launch pad?
1544
01:18:58,211 --> 01:19:00,561
Three years or three decades?
1545
01:19:00,605 --> 01:19:02,302
You decide.
1546
01:19:02,346 --> 01:19:05,523
Mistakes have been made
and if they continue to be made,
1547
01:19:05,566 --> 01:19:07,699
you are never flying again,
ever.
1548
01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:10,136
That decision is made for you.
1549
01:19:10,180 --> 01:19:11,355
No more contracts,
1550
01:19:11,398 --> 01:19:14,227
no more space program,
no more progress.
1551
01:19:14,271 --> 01:19:15,663
This is it.
1552
01:19:15,707 --> 01:19:19,058
History-making time, right now.
1553
01:19:19,102 --> 01:19:20,799
Do you continue
to shoot your mouth off
1554
01:19:20,843 --> 01:19:23,149
with no regard to progress?
1555
01:19:24,237 --> 01:19:26,370
Because if you go
against counsel
1556
01:19:26,413 --> 01:19:27,893
and you perjure yourself,
1557
01:19:27,937 --> 01:19:30,548
or you say something
incriminating by accident,
1558
01:19:30,591 --> 01:19:32,593
that is on you.
1559
01:19:32,637 --> 01:19:34,639
Testifying before
a presidential commission
1560
01:19:34,682 --> 01:19:36,641
is nothing to screw around with.
1561
01:19:39,078 --> 01:19:42,299
And how many
have you testified before?
1562
01:19:42,342 --> 01:19:43,474
I don't testify.
1563
01:19:43,517 --> 01:19:44,736
None.
1564
01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:47,913
You've testified before none,
and I have,
1565
01:19:47,957 --> 01:19:50,046
so that makes me the expert
in this room.
1566
01:19:50,089 --> 01:19:53,440
Yes, no, or I don't know.
1567
01:19:55,312 --> 01:19:57,227
I have to get back to work.
1568
01:19:57,270 --> 01:20:01,187
If you go against us,
you will lose.
1569
01:20:03,102 --> 01:20:04,495
Both of you.
1570
01:20:04,538 --> 01:20:07,672
[man] ...at the secondary seal
that we were talked,
1571
01:20:07,715 --> 01:20:11,502
that we alluded to
with the type of erosion,
1572
01:20:11,545 --> 01:20:14,810
uh, that we had was...
1573
01:20:14,853 --> 01:20:18,291
[indistinct chatter]
1574
01:20:18,335 --> 01:20:20,598
I understand what critically
one means,
1575
01:20:20,641 --> 01:20:23,383
it means it is important
for safety and for flight.
1576
01:20:23,427 --> 01:20:25,864
Is there a high...
higher category than that?
1577
01:20:25,908 --> 01:20:28,649
Let me go back just one moment
to the Cook memorandum.
1578
01:20:28,693 --> 01:20:30,956
He said, "I would think
that any NASA budgets
1579
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,959
submitted this year
for fiscal year 1987,
1580
01:20:34,003 --> 01:20:36,614
should certainly be based
on a reliable judgement."
1581
01:20:36,657 --> 01:20:37,789
Just getting started.
1582
01:20:38,703 --> 01:20:40,270
Anyone know you're here?
1583
01:20:40,313 --> 01:20:42,315
I don't think anyone knows
anyone is here.
1584
01:20:45,188 --> 01:20:48,931
Is there any internal
correspondence
1585
01:20:48,974 --> 01:20:51,542
on potential concern
1586
01:20:51,585 --> 01:20:56,634
over the operation
of the O-rings or the joints?
1587
01:20:56,677 --> 01:20:59,811
We can ask Jim who works
for the contractor that built
1588
01:20:59,855 --> 01:21:02,118
the Solid Rocket Boosters,
if they have anything.
1589
01:21:03,815 --> 01:21:06,949
I believe there's some test data
in progress now.
1590
01:21:06,992 --> 01:21:08,385
Some from before,
1591
01:21:08,428 --> 01:21:11,649
that, uh, speaks to
the resiliency of the O-rings.
1592
01:21:13,303 --> 01:21:14,565
There were some discussions
1593
01:21:14,608 --> 01:21:17,089
the night before the launch,
correct?
1594
01:21:17,133 --> 01:21:20,223
Between you and the people
at contractors company?
1595
01:21:20,832 --> 01:21:21,920
Yes, sir.
1596
01:21:21,964 --> 01:21:24,096
As a matter of routine,
1597
01:21:24,140 --> 01:21:27,186
we ask our technical people,
contractors,
1598
01:21:28,231 --> 01:21:30,146
if there are any concerns.
1599
01:21:30,189 --> 01:21:32,409
And the only concerns
that they pointed out
1600
01:21:32,452 --> 01:21:36,500
were the recovery battery,
um, temperatures.
1601
01:21:36,543 --> 01:21:37,718
And those are located
on the forward end...
1602
01:21:37,762 --> 01:21:38,806
No!
1603
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:42,506
...of the Solid Rocket Boosters.
1604
01:21:42,549 --> 01:21:47,337
Did you discuss anything with
the contractors or engineers?
1605
01:21:47,380 --> 01:21:53,386
They presented to us the fact
that the lowest temperature
1606
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:58,957
that we had flown an O-ring
or a case joint was 53 degrees,
1607
01:21:59,001 --> 01:22:01,829
and they wanted to point out
1608
01:22:01,873 --> 01:22:05,833
that we would be outside
our experience base.
1609
01:22:06,878 --> 01:22:08,314
Okay.
1610
01:22:08,358 --> 01:22:12,014
I'm asking because we read
in the New York Times
1611
01:22:12,057 --> 01:22:14,364
about memos to NASA
1612
01:22:14,407 --> 01:22:18,934
expressing concern
about erosion of the O-rings.
1613
01:22:18,977 --> 01:22:22,198
Are there any documents
expressing concern
1614
01:22:22,241 --> 01:22:24,156
about the temperature
that morning?
1615
01:22:27,029 --> 01:22:30,075
I'm not aware
of any such documents.
1616
01:22:35,559 --> 01:22:39,258
I will go back and...
and look, go to my files
1617
01:22:40,129 --> 01:22:41,521
to see if there are any.
1618
01:22:44,481 --> 01:22:45,699
Seriously?
1619
01:22:45,743 --> 01:22:46,962
Guys.
1620
01:22:47,005 --> 01:22:48,137
Liars!
1621
01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:49,877
Shh!
1622
01:22:49,921 --> 01:22:51,009
I can't believe this.
1623
01:22:53,577 --> 01:22:55,753
Someone has to say something.
1624
01:22:55,796 --> 01:22:57,320
Please, the media is here.
1625
01:22:57,363 --> 01:22:58,408
So what?
1626
01:23:02,716 --> 01:23:04,022
What are you doing?
1627
01:23:04,066 --> 01:23:05,110
Please put your hand down.
1628
01:23:05,154 --> 01:23:06,546
I can't let it
go down like this.
1629
01:23:07,547 --> 01:23:08,896
That's not working.
1630
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:09,985
Shh.
1631
01:23:12,726 --> 01:23:14,554
-There you go.
-Shh!
1632
01:23:14,598 --> 01:23:16,861
Oh, stop it, you.
Go interrupt them.
1633
01:23:16,904 --> 01:23:19,733
[man #2] ...now, we don't know
if he did anything about this.
1634
01:23:19,777 --> 01:23:21,170
-I'm not doing this.
-Go!
1635
01:23:24,608 --> 01:23:28,568
We... we are all seeing this
really for the first time.
1636
01:23:28,612 --> 01:23:30,831
I guess we saw it
in the newspaper...
1637
01:23:30,875 --> 01:23:33,660
I'd like to say about the
meeting you're talking about...
1638
01:23:33,704 --> 01:23:34,966
earlier.
1639
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:37,099
[Dr. Ride] Am I correct
in assuming that, uh,
1640
01:23:37,142 --> 01:23:40,537
what you described that in
the normal chain of authority,
1641
01:23:40,580 --> 01:23:42,756
neither Mr. Cook
nor Mr. Mann....
1642
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,324
I'd like to say something
about the meeting
1643
01:23:45,368 --> 01:23:46,717
you were talking about.
1644
01:23:48,066 --> 01:23:51,504
[Jim] Hey, hey,
hold on a second, um...
1645
01:23:51,548 --> 01:23:54,551
I believe Jim Whitt
will have something to add.
1646
01:23:55,943 --> 01:23:57,771
Yes, I'd like to say
about the meeting...
1647
01:23:57,815 --> 01:23:59,469
[Rogers] Excuse me, excuse me.
1648
01:23:59,512 --> 01:24:00,818
Can... can you say that
a little louder
1649
01:24:00,861 --> 01:24:02,211
where everyone can hear you?
1650
01:24:03,690 --> 01:24:05,518
[clears throat]
1651
01:24:05,562 --> 01:24:08,043
I'd like to say
about the meeting
1652
01:24:08,086 --> 01:24:10,175
you were talking about earlier.
1653
01:24:10,219 --> 01:24:12,569
The meeting was called by us,
the engineers.
1654
01:24:14,571 --> 01:24:17,704
And we tied in Marshal Space
Flight Center
1655
01:24:17,748 --> 01:24:19,141
in Huntsville, Alabama,
1656
01:24:19,184 --> 01:24:21,882
and Kennedy Space Center
in Cape Canaveral, Florida,
1657
01:24:21,926 --> 01:24:24,929
to let them know our concerns
about the colder temperatures,
1658
01:24:24,972 --> 01:24:27,540
and that our recommendation
was not to launch.
1659
01:24:27,584 --> 01:24:29,586
[clamoring]
1660
01:24:35,940 --> 01:24:37,942
If what I'm hearing is true
1661
01:24:37,985 --> 01:24:41,293
this could be in litigation
for years.
1662
01:24:41,337 --> 01:24:45,384
We initially told them
not to launch below 53 degrees.
1663
01:24:45,428 --> 01:24:47,299
We were convinced the seals
were compromised
1664
01:24:47,343 --> 01:24:50,302
the lower the temperature got.
1665
01:24:50,346 --> 01:24:53,610
We were moving away
from the direction of goodness.
1666
01:24:53,653 --> 01:24:56,134
You never changed your minds
about launching?
1667
01:24:56,178 --> 01:24:57,222
No, sir.
1668
01:24:57,266 --> 01:24:58,615
I was in Kennedy,
1669
01:24:58,658 --> 01:25:04,142
and after Adam and Bill
expressed their concerns,
1670
01:25:04,186 --> 01:25:07,885
our company in Utah
had a private caucus
1671
01:25:07,928 --> 01:25:09,234
and changed their minds.
1672
01:25:10,366 --> 01:25:11,410
[Rogers]
You work for that company?
1673
01:25:11,454 --> 01:25:12,890
Yes, sir.
1674
01:25:12,933 --> 01:25:15,588
So you had data and concerns,
1675
01:25:15,632 --> 01:25:17,677
then changed your mind
based on what?
1676
01:25:19,984 --> 01:25:21,246
You'd have to ask them in Utah,
1677
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:24,031
I was not a part
of the private meeting
1678
01:25:24,075 --> 01:25:26,164
to reevaluate the data.
1679
01:25:26,208 --> 01:25:27,687
Were you gentlemen there
in Utah?
1680
01:25:28,558 --> 01:25:30,168
-Yes, sir.
-Yes, sir.
1681
01:25:30,212 --> 01:25:34,477
Did the reevaluation of the data
factor into proceeding to fly?
1682
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:35,695
Yes, sir.
1683
01:25:37,436 --> 01:25:39,177
[Rogers]
Why did you decide to fly?
1684
01:25:39,221 --> 01:25:41,440
-We didn't decide to fly.
-We didn't decide to fly.
1685
01:25:41,484 --> 01:25:43,050
[Rogers] Well, someone did.
1686
01:25:43,094 --> 01:25:45,792
The gentlemen just said
that the private meeting
1687
01:25:45,836 --> 01:25:48,882
resulted in changing
the recommendation to launch.
1688
01:25:48,926 --> 01:25:51,711
And now you're saying
you did not?
1689
01:25:51,755 --> 01:25:54,192
Nelson, did their company
recommend a launch?
1690
01:25:54,236 --> 01:25:55,324
Yes, sir.
1691
01:25:56,673 --> 01:25:58,022
[Rogers]
So who changed their mind?
1692
01:26:02,026 --> 01:26:05,943
Bill and I are O-ring experts
and the recommendation
1693
01:26:05,986 --> 01:26:08,728
to launch win
against our recommendation.
1694
01:26:09,729 --> 01:26:12,993
We faxed over a lot of documents
1695
01:26:13,037 --> 01:26:16,954
and our official engineering
perspective to not launch.
1696
01:26:18,434 --> 01:26:21,132
NASA put pressure
on our leadership,
1697
01:26:21,176 --> 01:26:25,441
our boss conveyed a meeting
with everyone in Utah,
1698
01:26:25,484 --> 01:26:27,182
and they decided to launch.
1699
01:26:29,271 --> 01:26:30,533
[Rogers]
Did you change your mind?
1700
01:26:30,576 --> 01:26:32,230
No, sir. Never.
1701
01:26:32,274 --> 01:26:33,840
[Rogers] How about you?
1702
01:26:33,884 --> 01:26:35,233
No, sir.
1703
01:26:35,277 --> 01:26:36,365
[Rogers] And you?
1704
01:26:36,408 --> 01:26:39,281
No. In fact, they faxed over
a document
1705
01:26:39,324 --> 01:26:40,760
and tried to get me to sign it,
1706
01:26:40,804 --> 01:26:43,154
recommending we fly
and I refused.
1707
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:49,465
What were your initial findings?
1708
01:26:49,508 --> 01:26:52,250
When we tested
at the lower temperatures,
1709
01:26:52,294 --> 01:26:54,774
we... we saw that it took...
1710
01:26:54,818 --> 01:26:58,213
Can you quantify how poorly
this is going for you?
1711
01:27:00,737 --> 01:27:03,479
Not as poorly as it's gonna go
for the guy
1712
01:27:03,522 --> 01:27:06,133
who throws his own company
under the bus.
1713
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:10,573
Maybe you ought to get
a handle on that.
1714
01:27:14,707 --> 01:27:15,926
[Rogers] Mr. Nelson?
1715
01:27:15,969 --> 01:27:17,623
I'd like to see
the signed document
1716
01:27:17,667 --> 01:27:18,798
that recommends to launch.
1717
01:27:18,842 --> 01:27:21,323
Yes, sir.
I have the signed document
1718
01:27:21,366 --> 01:27:24,369
from the contracting company
that recommends to launch.
1719
01:27:26,328 --> 01:27:28,330
[somber music]
1720
01:27:52,528 --> 01:27:54,138
[lawyer] What did we all
talked about earlier?
1721
01:27:54,181 --> 01:27:56,749
If you're asked a question,
you say what?
1722
01:27:56,793 --> 01:27:58,882
-Yes, no, and what?
-[all mumbling]
1723
01:27:58,925 --> 01:28:00,579
And what did I hear?
1724
01:28:00,623 --> 01:28:02,625
[indistinct chatter]
1725
01:28:08,195 --> 01:28:11,242
[Nelson] We're the company guys,
we're going to work tomorrow.
1726
01:28:11,286 --> 01:28:12,809
I just wanted you to know,
1727
01:28:12,852 --> 01:28:16,421
what you men did in there today
was incredibly brave.
1728
01:28:16,465 --> 01:28:17,944
Thank you.
1729
01:28:17,988 --> 01:28:19,729
I hope you know
that there are laws
1730
01:28:19,772 --> 01:28:22,471
to protect you
against any retaliation
1731
01:28:22,514 --> 01:28:24,995
for what you have said
here today.
1732
01:28:25,038 --> 01:28:27,127
We'll see.
1733
01:28:27,171 --> 01:28:29,565
Is anything gonna happen
to these guys?
1734
01:28:29,608 --> 01:28:33,264
We are here to learn
and to make recommendations
1735
01:28:33,308 --> 01:28:35,919
to the President
and then he will decide.
1736
01:28:35,962 --> 01:28:38,530
[Dr. Ride]
I think the best thing to do
1737
01:28:38,574 --> 01:28:40,184
is to simply keep telling
the truth.
1738
01:28:41,011 --> 01:28:42,012
[Bill] Yes, ma'am.
1739
01:28:44,928 --> 01:28:46,930
[dramatic music]
1740
01:28:57,593 --> 01:28:59,595
[somber music]
1741
01:29:21,486 --> 01:29:22,792
I'm not hungry anymore.
1742
01:29:25,011 --> 01:29:26,186
He'll come around.
1743
01:29:29,146 --> 01:29:30,234
No, he won't.
1744
01:29:31,844 --> 01:29:33,237
-[Finch] Adam.
-[Adam] Yeah.
1745
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:38,198
I just wanted to ask you,
um, we have no proof.
1746
01:29:38,242 --> 01:29:41,854
You don't have any money
to afford a team like this.
1747
01:29:41,898 --> 01:29:44,422
And I can already see
it's an unwinnable case.
1748
01:29:44,466 --> 01:29:46,903
So what's the real reason
you wanna do this?
1749
01:29:49,079 --> 01:29:50,733
No one was prosecuted.
1750
01:29:52,299 --> 01:29:54,476
No one lost their jobs
except for the people
1751
01:29:54,519 --> 01:29:56,347
who were trying to do
the right thing.
1752
01:29:58,175 --> 01:30:02,005
[Adam] And now, seven
of society's finest are dead.
1753
01:30:02,048 --> 01:30:03,441
And they're gonna stay dead.
1754
01:30:04,747 --> 01:30:06,270
Don't you think we need
to try something?
1755
01:30:06,313 --> 01:30:08,054
I do.
1756
01:30:08,098 --> 01:30:11,188
But it's just going to wind up
being a stunt
1757
01:30:11,231 --> 01:30:13,016
to try the case in public,
1758
01:30:13,059 --> 01:30:15,105
and give them a black eye
in the news
1759
01:30:15,148 --> 01:30:16,149
for a couple of days.
1760
01:30:18,674 --> 01:30:20,415
I can live with that.
1761
01:30:20,458 --> 01:30:23,548
You do know beating up
the bully won't bring you peace.
1762
01:30:25,245 --> 01:30:26,899
Maybe it'll bring justice.
1763
01:30:29,511 --> 01:30:31,469
Have you ever gotten
either one that way?
1764
01:30:35,386 --> 01:30:37,388
[somber music]
1765
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:50,401
I don't care
what you have to say.
1766
01:30:58,104 --> 01:31:00,106
[somber music]
1767
01:31:31,703 --> 01:31:34,097
I am an O-ring expert.
1768
01:31:34,140 --> 01:31:35,794
I worked for the company
that built
1769
01:31:35,838 --> 01:31:37,187
the Solid Rocket Boosters
1770
01:31:37,230 --> 01:31:39,537
for the Space Shuttle
Challenger.
1771
01:31:39,581 --> 01:31:43,193
And the decision to launch
went against our recommendation.
1772
01:31:47,545 --> 01:31:49,155
But I guess you knew
that already, huh?
1773
01:31:54,291 --> 01:31:57,294
I wanna ask you, how many of you
are planning to be engineers?
1774
01:32:01,254 --> 01:32:04,475
Everyone. Okay.
1775
01:32:05,345 --> 01:32:06,346
That's great.
1776
01:32:07,957 --> 01:32:10,133
Really, that is...
that is great.
1777
01:32:13,658 --> 01:32:15,007
You know, what... what I think
1778
01:32:15,051 --> 01:32:16,487
I want to talk to you
about today
1779
01:32:16,531 --> 01:32:20,578
is about the value
of the human life.
1780
01:32:20,622 --> 01:32:24,800
[Adam] Because all of you are gonna go on to build roads,
1781
01:32:24,843 --> 01:32:32,285
bridges, toys, cars, rockets,
homes, whatever.
1782
01:32:32,329 --> 01:32:35,550
Whatever it is, an engineer
thinks it and makes it.
1783
01:32:47,083 --> 01:32:50,390
-[Charis] Hi, dad.
-Hey, kids. Hi, girls.
1784
01:32:50,434 --> 01:32:52,915
-Hey. We'll be back later.
-Hi.
1785
01:33:18,157 --> 01:33:20,638
[breathes heavily]
1786
01:33:24,207 --> 01:33:27,602
[Adam] But I just want you to remember
1787
01:33:27,645 --> 01:33:29,952
to see the people
on the other side
1788
01:33:29,995 --> 01:33:33,042
of whatever it is that you make.
1789
01:33:33,085 --> 01:33:35,827
And also remember
the people you made it with.
1790
01:33:36,393 --> 01:33:37,394
Yeah?
1791
01:33:54,672 --> 01:33:56,631
[somber music]
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