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♪
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PAUL MCCARTNEY: Yeah.
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♪
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We were told that,
you'll never make it from Liverpool.
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You'll never make it.
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Of course, that just
strengthened our resolve.
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"We'll show you, mate."
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You know?
Yeah.
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We thought we were different.
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Yeah.
We knew we were different.
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And then that, um...
found its way into the music.
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♪ Lovely Rita playing ♪
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♪ Ah ♪
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♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪
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♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪
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PAUL [on recording]:
♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪
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♪ Nothing can come between us ♪
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♪ When it gets dark
I tow your heart away ♪
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♪ Standing by a parking meter ♪
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♪ When I caught a glimpse of Rita ♪
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♪ Filling in a ticket
in her little white book ♪
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♪ In a cap
she looked much older ♪
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♪ And the bag
across her shoulder ♪
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♪ Made her look a little
like a military man ♪
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♪ Paul humming music ♪
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PAUL: Hm.
RICK RUBIN: It's just so interesting.
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The choices
you're making in the playing.
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♪
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I think the bass is really straight.
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Pretty straight, yeah.
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I come in and ruin it.
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Good thing you wrote it.
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♪ Lovely Rita, meter maid ♪
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♪ Where would I be without you? ♪
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♪ Give us a wink
and make me think of you ♪
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♪ Lovely Rita meter maid ♪
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♪ Lovely Rita meter maid ♪
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It feels almost like
the bass is doing
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like what an orchestra
would do, you know.
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It's adding all
of the other counterpoint...
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Yeah.
...and extra rhythm.
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But then when the vocal comes in,
I get out the way.
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[humming]
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But then I come back,
I'm too tempted
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[rapid humming]
Yeah, yeah.
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But, uh, I like
doing that, you know.
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You started
as a guitar player though.
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Yeah, me and John were
the guitar players. Yeah.
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I used to think I could be lead guitar.
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Yeah.
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Because at home, I could,
I could play nice little songs.
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But I got terrible stage fright
at a place in Liverpool
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um, called Broadway,
funnily enough.
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Oh, it just came my time
to play the solo
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and I, aah,
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I, like, froze, you know,
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sticky fingers
and nothing would work.
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And after that, I thought,
right, no more lead.
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That's it, you know, we'll give that
to somebody else.
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Wow.
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But yeah, I did start on guitar,
originally acoustic,
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and then, uh,
when we went to Hamburg,
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I bought a little electric guitar,
very cheap.
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But it looked good.
Yeah.
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Looked kind of rock and roll.
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Kind of red thing,
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Rosetti Lucky 7.
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But it was terrible.
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But I couldyou know, it worked
until we got to Hamburg
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and then it fell apart.
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So then I would, I was turning
my back on the audience
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and playing piano.
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But it was good. Good practice.
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For a bass player, we had Stuart,
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who was a friend of John's
from art school,
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but he ended up wanting
to stay in Hamburg
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because he fell in love.
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So then it was a question of me,
John, or George becoming the bass player,
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and the two of them said,
well, I'm not doing it.
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[both laugh]
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So it wasI was left.
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Were you already writing songs
at this point or not really?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Even from the Hamburg days?
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Before.
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Really?
Yeah.
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I wrote, um,
my first one when I was like 14.
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Wow.
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And that was just a little,
little guitar thing.
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Uh, do you want me to show you?
Yes.
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Okay.
Let's go.
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I will find a guitar.
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♪
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Yeah, I liked the idea
that the baseline would go up.
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♪
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Then I wanted this to come down.
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♪
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So you get that little thing.
That was the big thing for me.
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Yeah.
So it was just
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♪ I woke up late this morning ♪
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♪ My head was in a whirl ♪
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♪ Only then I realized ♪
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♪ I lost my little girl ♪
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♪ Her clothes were not expensive ♪
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♪ Her hair didn't always curl ♪
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♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah ♪
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♪
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But it is interesting,
the first song I should write
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has got a little
contra vocal thing going.
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Absolutely.
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I'm fingering down on that
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Two parts going on
at the same time right out of the box.
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Yeah.
Unusual for a young kid.
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Yeah. You know,
and it's a funny thing
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as you get older, you think,
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well, how did I know that?
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Yes.
And I, I haven't got an answer.
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♪ vocalizing ♪
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♪
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♪
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When John and I had got together
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and I told him about
that little song that I'd written,
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and I'd written a couple of others.
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And he said, so have I.
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And that was,
that was the big difference.
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I talked to other people,
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and they sort of said,
"Well, what do you do?"
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I said, "Oh, I've got a hobby,
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I kind of, I've written
a couple of songs."
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And most people would just
ignore that and go,
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"Oh okay, you know, what sports
do you like," and move on.
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But, uh, when I said that to John,
he said, "Yeah, so have I."
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I said, "Oh yeah, great.
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"Well, let me see yours,
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I'll show you mine,"
kind of thing, you know.
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And that was it.
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We, we started writing together
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with that in mind, you know.
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♪ This Boy playing ♪
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♪
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♪ That boy ♪
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You know, we were trying
to make money.
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We were kind of guys,
none of us was rich,
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so we would play pubs and ballrooms.
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The Aintree Institute
would have, like, a dance.
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RICK: Hmm.
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PAUL: But when we'd got
Brian Epstein as our manager,
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Brian said, you could play cabaret clubs,
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but you'll have to smarten up.
Hm.
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Because we were a bit rock and roll.
Yeah.
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He says you'll have
to sort of smarten up,
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and you'll have to do
your more sort of ballady songs.
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It can't just be
a straight rock and roll set.
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Mmhmm.
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But you could see this
at a cabaret club.
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Yeah, for sure.
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You know, ladies and gentlemen,
presenting the Beatles.
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[Rick laughs]
Lights go down, little spots come up.
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♪ Back again ♪
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Let's see.
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And then we get John's
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JOHN LENNON [on recording]:
♪ Oh, and this boy ♪
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RICK: No music.
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♪ Would be happy ♪
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♪ Just to love you ♪
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♪ But oh my ♪
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♪ That boy ♪
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♪ Won't be happy ♪
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[singing along]
♪ Till he's seen you cry ♪
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♪ This boy ♪
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RICK: That was beautiful.
Yeah.
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♪ Wouldn't mind the pain ♪
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♪
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You know, we wanted to, um,
show different sides of ourselves.
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We could've just been
one guy sings the vocal
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and we'll back him up.
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But we kept wanting
to stretch it a little bit.
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So this whole song is just
a threepart harmony thing.
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♪ This boy ♪
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♪
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♪ This boy ♪
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Those were exciting things
to do, you know,
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to, to branch out like that.
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Then we wanted to add
these other layers,
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which as the Beatles went on,
we added more and more.
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♪ Something playing ♪
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GEORGE HARRISON [on recording]:
♪ Something in the way she moves ♪
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♪ Attracts me like no other lover ♪
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♪ Something in the way
she woos me ♪
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♪ I don't want to leave her now ♪
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[indiscernible chatter]
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♪ You know I believe and how ♪
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♪
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♪ Somewhere in her smile
she knows ♪
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What is going on with the bass?
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Like, it's the greatest thing
I've ever heard.
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Oh.
How did this happen?
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I mean
How does this exist?
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It's very tempting when you're
on the bass to sort of go
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[imitating bass guitar]
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And I probably started simple.
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[imitating bass guitar]
Yeah.
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And then you might find that the bit
we were kind of liking,
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it's a nice little melody.
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♪
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♪ You're asking me
will my love grow ♪
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It's doing so much work
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that really is
in the service of the record.
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It's pretty adventurous, you know.
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Did you have that
all worked out before the
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No.
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So tell me what happens
the day of this recording.
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What happens?
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Um... George comes in,
shows us the song.
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That would just be with a guitar
and all just 'round,
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a couple of chairs
'round a little circle.
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It was all fairly instant.
Yeah.
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You know, it's just
we've got to do this song.
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We've got to do it.
Let's just try it every which way,
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until we settle on,
oh yeah, this feels good.
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It's the interaction.
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Yeah.
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♪
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[humming]
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Yeah.
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♪
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♪ song ends ♪
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Classic George song.
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Alright.
[claps]
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Do you remember after finishing
the song, thinking
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It's a good one.
Did you feel that?
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Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I think you know the good songs.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Would it be whoever wrote the song
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would sort of have the vision
for the project for that?
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Normally was, yeah.
And then I'd butt in.
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[laughs]
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And they'd hate me for it.
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I'd go, "But it's a good idea, boys."
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If you had a good idea, it's like
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Mmhmm.
Got to get 'em in.
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Yeah.
Got to get them in.
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I mean, it was kind of
an awkward thing, you know,
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that if you had a good idea for something,
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you'd say it.
Yeah.
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But often the other guy would
sort of say, well, you play it.
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Yeah.
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You know, there was
there was a lot of freedom.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So we did that a lot.
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Like, I think I talked to George
a lot about the solo on Taxman.
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And I think that's what happened.
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He said, "Well, you play it."
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♪ Taxman ♪
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♪
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No wonder
George said you do it.
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But what was the insp
Like, what were you
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I don't know, just free, free.
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I mean, and a little bit
of Indian in there, too.
260
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Yeah.
261
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I wouldn't have thought about it
or written it or anything.
262
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It would just be like, oh, it's,
the track's so cooking...
Yeah.
263
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...that if we're going to have a solo,
it should be just ridiculous.
264
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[imitating guitar riff]
265
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Amazing.
You know.
266
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♪ Yeah, I'm the Taxman ♪
267
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PAUL: Nice bass lick as well.
268
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♪ If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street ♪
269
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♪ If you try to sit,
I'll tax your seat ♪
270
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♪ If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat ♪
271
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♪ If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet ♪
272
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It was funny because it was like
a doubleedged sword.
273
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People sort of saying,
well, couldn't you just play straighter,
274
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you know, and I'm going,
I don't know.
275
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I think it lends something
doing all this.
276
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I did get sort of reprimanded
once or twice,
277
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for just being too busy.
Yeah.
278
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But you know, by that time
I'd heard James Jamerson.
279
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♪ singing "What's Going On" ♪
280
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♪
281
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He was great.
282
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He had melodic baselines,
and I love that.
283
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It kind of opened my eyes to it.
It was like, oh yeah, wow.
284
00:13:50,205 --> 00:13:53,165
Yeah.
You can groove, make it move, you know.
285
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Because originally, the bass player
286
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in the groups in Liverpool,
it was the fat guy.
287
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[laughs]
288
00:14:00,382 --> 00:14:02,052
And he would just stand
at the back
289
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[imitating bass guitar]
290
00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:09,389
And the guitar player...
[imitating guitar riff]
291
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He had all the fancy stuff.
292
00:14:11,435 --> 00:14:13,975
But later, when I heard people
like James Jamerson,
293
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I realized, wow, you can,
294
00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:20,151
you can really do
a big thing with a bass.
295
00:14:20,152 --> 00:14:22,782
You can actually control
the band with the bass.
296
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It's interesting.
297
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And it's, it's in some ways,
is why we're having this conversation is
298
00:14:28,452 --> 00:14:30,542
the fascination
with how important the bass is
299
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in the context of these songs.
300
00:14:32,623 --> 00:14:34,633
And the songs are so ubiquitous
in our culture
301
00:14:34,625 --> 00:14:36,705
that we don't really think
of them in pieces.
302
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:37,670
Hm.
Do you know what I mean?
303
00:14:37,669 --> 00:14:40,129
We just think of them as that song.
304
00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:41,260
That song, yeah.
You know. Yeah, yeah.
305
00:14:41,256 --> 00:14:44,086
It really happened
quite organically in the studio.
306
00:14:44,593 --> 00:14:48,473
Um... you know,
my famous occasion
307
00:14:48,472 --> 00:14:50,932
with bass radically altering
308
00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:56,185
the whole attitude of the song
was when John came in
309
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♪
310
00:15:00,526 --> 00:15:01,776
♪ Here come old flattop ♪
311
00:15:01,777 --> 00:15:03,817
♪ He come groovin' up slowly ♪
312
00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:05,910
♪ He got joo joo eyeball ♪
313
00:15:05,906 --> 00:15:08,776
♪ He one holy roller, he got♪
314
00:15:08,784 --> 00:15:10,954
I said, uh, uh, uh, uh,
wait a minute, wait a minute,
315
00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:12,873
that's a Chuck Berry song.
316
00:15:13,372 --> 00:15:14,872
That's a Chuck Berry song,
317
00:15:14,873 --> 00:15:16,583
which is called You Can't Catch Me.
318
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Which not only is like that
319
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♪
320
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♪ Yeah, come on ♪
321
00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:25,379
The opening line is,
"Here come old flattop."
322
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♪ Here come old flattop ♪
323
00:15:27,469 --> 00:15:29,139
♪ He was moving up with me ♪
324
00:15:29,137 --> 00:15:30,927
♪ Then come waving goodbye ♪
325
00:15:30,931 --> 00:15:32,771
♪ In a little old soupedup jitney ♪
326
00:15:32,766 --> 00:15:34,806
♪ I put my foot in my tank ♪
327
00:15:34,810 --> 00:15:36,940
♪ And I began to roll ♪
328
00:15:37,563 --> 00:15:40,823
♪ Moaning siren,
'twas a state patrol ♪
329
00:15:40,816 --> 00:15:42,816
♪ So I let out my wings ♪
330
00:15:42,818 --> 00:15:44,988
♪ And then I blew my horn ♪
331
00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:48,527
♪ Byebye New Jersey,
I've become airborne ♪
332
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RICK:
It actually is the Chuck Berry song.
333
00:15:50,868 --> 00:15:53,788
It actually is the Chuck Berry song,
so I said, "Oh man,"
334
00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:56,827
I said, you know, "Look,
it's a great song. I love it."
335
00:15:56,832 --> 00:15:59,672
I said, "But we got to do something
to get away from that."
336
00:16:00,169 --> 00:16:02,549
So I just suggested we slowed it down.
337
00:16:02,546 --> 00:16:03,506
So instead of the
338
00:16:03,505 --> 00:16:05,755
♪ uptempo music playing ♪
339
00:16:05,757 --> 00:16:09,387
We go...
[humming Come Together]
340
00:16:09,386 --> 00:16:13,926
♪ Come Together playing ♪
341
00:16:14,308 --> 00:16:16,138
[imitating drum beats]
342
00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:20,813
Which now gave it a kind of
real nice swampy back and forth.
343
00:16:20,814 --> 00:16:23,484
♪ Here come old flat top
he got ♪
344
00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,613
And it changed his attitude to it.
345
00:16:26,028 --> 00:16:30,698
♪ Come Together playing ♪
346
00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:32,409
I just want to hear the vocals,
347
00:16:32,409 --> 00:16:34,999
just to understand where it's...
the writing style.
348
00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:36,785
JOHN LENNON [on recording]:
♪ Here come old flat top ♪
349
00:16:36,788 --> 00:16:39,708
♪ He come grooving up slowly ♪
350
00:16:39,708 --> 00:16:42,668
♪ He got joo joo eyeball ♪
351
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,629
♪ He one holy roller ♪
352
00:16:45,631 --> 00:16:48,841
♪ He got hair down ♪
353
00:16:49,218 --> 00:16:51,088
♪ To his knee ♪
354
00:16:52,179 --> 00:16:56,889
♪ Got to be a joker
he just do what he please ♪
355
00:16:57,851 --> 00:17:00,021
♪
356
00:17:00,020 --> 00:17:01,150
The signature of the song.
357
00:17:01,146 --> 00:17:04,606
♪
358
00:17:04,608 --> 00:17:05,478
Ringo.
359
00:17:05,484 --> 00:17:09,154
♪
360
00:17:09,154 --> 00:17:11,374
It's just the bass and the drums.
It's a groove, isn't it?
361
00:17:11,365 --> 00:17:15,195
♪
362
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:20,415
♪ ...Ono sideboard ♪
363
00:17:20,999 --> 00:17:22,959
♪ ...spinal cracker ♪
364
00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,040
♪ He got♪
365
00:17:24,044 --> 00:17:25,134
PAUL: Yeah.
366
00:17:25,128 --> 00:17:30,718
♪
367
00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:34,507
♪ ...in his armchair
you can feel his disease ♪
368
00:17:34,513 --> 00:17:36,223
[singing along]
♪ Come together ♪
369
00:17:37,432 --> 00:17:38,932
♪ Right now ♪
370
00:17:41,144 --> 00:17:43,524
♪
371
00:17:43,522 --> 00:17:44,692
PAUL: That's it.
372
00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:47,032
I'm playing that piano.
373
00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:52,531
♪
374
00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:56,954
Guitars.
375
00:17:57,703 --> 00:18:02,373
♪
376
00:18:02,374 --> 00:18:03,924
That's John and George.
377
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,880
RICK: Together?
PAUL: Both. No, that's George.
378
00:18:10,424 --> 00:18:11,884
John's probably playing the rhythm.
379
00:18:11,884 --> 00:18:13,684
Yeah, John's playing
the rhythm, yeah.
380
00:18:14,386 --> 00:18:17,966
♪
381
00:18:24,396 --> 00:18:25,396
♪ Yeah ♪
382
00:18:25,397 --> 00:18:27,647
♪
383
00:18:27,649 --> 00:18:29,069
♪ Come together ♪
384
00:18:29,735 --> 00:18:33,405
♪
385
00:18:35,657 --> 00:18:37,157
Bass sounds incredible.
Yeah.
386
00:18:39,536 --> 00:18:40,996
Really rockin'.
387
00:18:42,206 --> 00:18:46,286
♪
388
00:18:47,085 --> 00:18:49,835
And we sort of knew
we'd got something funky.
389
00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:51,468
Yeah.
And that was always the aim.
390
00:18:51,465 --> 00:18:54,885
Like, if you could take whatever
the little song was you had
391
00:18:54,885 --> 00:18:58,135
and just put that little
extra something on it.
392
00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,808
Did it feel like it happened
most of the time?
393
00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:02,983
Yeah.
It seems like it.
394
00:19:02,976 --> 00:19:04,726
Lislistening to the records,
it sounds like that.
395
00:19:04,728 --> 00:19:05,848
I know. Yeah.
396
00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:10,896
I mean, for me, I've grown
to be a fan of the Beatles.
397
00:19:10,901 --> 00:19:13,201
Yeah. Yeah.
Because then I was just a Beatle.
398
00:19:13,612 --> 00:19:17,662
But now that the Beatles' volume
of work is finished...
399
00:19:17,658 --> 00:19:18,908
Yes.
400
00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:20,579
I, I listen back to it,
401
00:19:20,577 --> 00:19:24,407
and, you know, like that
you just think, what was that bassline?
402
00:19:24,831 --> 00:19:27,131
Now this is good
because I actually, now I know
403
00:19:27,125 --> 00:19:29,375
Now you understand how it works.
Now I know what I played, yeah.
404
00:19:29,378 --> 00:19:30,418
Yeah, yeah.
405
00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:36,762
You talked a little bit about becoming
a fan of the Beatles again.
406
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,850
Yeah.
So tell me first about,
407
00:19:38,846 --> 00:19:40,256
Beatles break up.
408
00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:41,934
Mm.
In that moment,
409
00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:45,637
what's your feeling
about your last ten years of music?
410
00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:48,690
I knew we'd done
something great.
411
00:19:48,689 --> 00:19:51,729
Yes.
We'd had a lot of fun in the studio,
412
00:19:51,733 --> 00:19:54,323
and I was sad to see it break up.
Yeah.
413
00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:56,319
I thought I'd be
in this band forever.
414
00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:57,571
Hm.
415
00:19:57,573 --> 00:19:58,993
But various things were happening.
416
00:19:58,991 --> 00:20:01,031
There was a lot
of heavy business stuff
417
00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:03,414
that had,
that had influenced decisions.
418
00:20:03,412 --> 00:20:05,712
Mmhmm.
So we, we split up,
419
00:20:05,706 --> 00:20:09,786
and, uh, I was heartbroken, really.
420
00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:12,919
And I kind of disappeared
off the face of the Earth.
421
00:20:12,921 --> 00:20:15,551
I went up to a farm in Scotland
422
00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:20,394
and just became a sort of
hippie farmer, which was great.
423
00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:22,717
♪ Motorcars ♪
424
00:20:22,723 --> 00:20:24,563
♪ Handlebars ♪
425
00:20:24,558 --> 00:20:27,438
♪ Bicycles for two ♪
426
00:20:28,562 --> 00:20:33,232
♪ Brokenhearted jubilee ♪
427
00:20:37,404 --> 00:20:40,324
When you've been
a musician all that time,
428
00:20:41,033 --> 00:20:46,333
the idea of just not doing it
was a bit sad.
429
00:20:47,581 --> 00:20:49,881
I just wanted to keep going with music.
430
00:20:49,875 --> 00:20:50,535
Yeah.
431
00:20:50,542 --> 00:20:52,882
You know, it was
a very difficult thing to shake off
432
00:20:53,253 --> 00:20:56,173
if you're this invested
like you and I are.
433
00:20:56,173 --> 00:20:56,923
Yeah.
434
00:20:56,924 --> 00:20:58,684
You just can't sort of say,
oh, I'll do it tomorrow.
435
00:20:58,675 --> 00:21:00,585
Can't imagine it. Can't imagine.
436
00:21:00,594 --> 00:21:05,854
So I just went right back
to basics, and it wasn't easy.
437
00:21:05,849 --> 00:21:08,349
♪
438
00:21:08,352 --> 00:21:11,942
♪ Da, da, ya, da, da, da
da, da, da ♪
439
00:21:12,397 --> 00:21:13,727
Never finished the lyrics.
440
00:21:15,192 --> 00:21:16,612
No, this is jazz.
441
00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:18,110
[laughing]
442
00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:22,196
I had some recording equipment at home.
443
00:21:22,533 --> 00:21:26,203
I had an amp, guitar, piano,
a little drum set.
444
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:30,120
So I just thought, well,
I'll just record some stuff, you know.
445
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:33,003
And literally yourself,
meaning not even an engineer.
446
00:21:33,001 --> 00:21:35,211
Nobody was there except you.
No. Nobody.
447
00:21:35,212 --> 00:21:39,132
♪ ...the junk in the yard ♪
448
00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:44,970
♪ Da, da, ya, da, da, da
da, da, da ♪
449
00:21:44,972 --> 00:21:46,352
♪
450
00:21:46,348 --> 00:21:47,268
Wow.
451
00:21:47,266 --> 00:21:50,136
♪
452
00:21:53,605 --> 00:21:56,565
♪ song ends ♪
453
00:21:56,567 --> 00:21:58,107
Beautiful.
454
00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:01,200
This was the first album
that you made in this way.
455
00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:02,656
Everything at home, all by yourself.
456
00:22:02,656 --> 00:22:03,406
Yeah.
457
00:22:03,407 --> 00:22:05,077
I mean, once you do
something like this,
458
00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:07,195
it's a nice little home project.
459
00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:08,082
Yeah.
460
00:22:08,078 --> 00:22:11,208
It's like, you know,
if you've built a table,
461
00:22:11,206 --> 00:22:13,916
you've got some time off,
I'll build a chair, something.
462
00:22:13,917 --> 00:22:18,207
You know, it's just that good feeling
you're doing something for yourself.
463
00:22:18,213 --> 00:22:19,013
Yeah.
464
00:22:19,006 --> 00:22:21,926
But then, you know,
you've suddenly got
465
00:22:21,925 --> 00:22:23,675
enough tracks for an album.
466
00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:28,467
♪ Maybe I'm Amazed playing ♪
467
00:22:28,473 --> 00:22:32,643
♪
468
00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:51,293
PAUL [on recording]:
♪ Baby, I'm amazed at the way
you love me all the time ♪
469
00:22:52,706 --> 00:22:56,336
♪ Maybe I'm afraid
of the way I love you ♪
470
00:22:59,004 --> 00:23:03,474
♪ Maybe I'm amazed at the way
you pulled me out of time ♪
471
00:23:04,218 --> 00:23:06,428
♪ You hung me on a line ♪
472
00:23:07,554 --> 00:23:11,734
♪ Maybe I'm amazed at the way
I really need you ♪
473
00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:17,694
♪ Baby, I'm a man,
maybe I'm a lonely man ♪
474
00:23:17,689 --> 00:23:20,069
♪ Who's in the middle of something ♪
475
00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:23,532
♪ That he doesn't really understand ♪
476
00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:29,830
♪ Baby, I'm a man and maybe
you're the only woman ♪
477
00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:31,996
♪ Who could ever help me ♪
478
00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:35,794
♪ Baby, won't you help me to understand? ♪
479
00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:36,791
♪ Oohooh ♪
480
00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:38,292
PAUL: Once you've been to the top,
481
00:23:38,293 --> 00:23:39,883
going back down
to the bottom of the ladder,
482
00:23:39,878 --> 00:23:43,798
and clawing your way back up,
is, uh, is a bit of a number.
483
00:23:44,299 --> 00:23:46,299
But I had Linda by my side,
484
00:23:46,301 --> 00:23:48,101
and she'd helped me through that period.
485
00:23:48,762 --> 00:23:50,852
She was very, a great strength.
486
00:23:51,348 --> 00:23:53,848
♪
487
00:23:53,851 --> 00:23:56,731
♪ Baby, I'm amazed at the way
you helped me... ♪
488
00:23:56,728 --> 00:23:57,978
Bringing the energy.
489
00:23:59,147 --> 00:24:01,107
♪ You right me when I'm wrong ♪
490
00:24:01,108 --> 00:24:03,528
I wonder if that's tucked in there,
I never heard that before.
491
00:24:03,527 --> 00:24:05,147
No.
No, you left it out?
492
00:24:05,153 --> 00:24:06,453
I don't know.
493
00:24:06,446 --> 00:24:07,946
It might be this.
Yeah, it might be
494
00:24:07,948 --> 00:24:09,908
Sounds like I mixed it out.
I can't remember.
495
00:24:10,534 --> 00:24:11,704
♪ Oh ♪
496
00:24:11,994 --> 00:24:15,794
♪ Oohoohooh ♪
497
00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:17,998
♪ Yeahyeah, yeah ♪
498
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,250
♪
499
00:24:21,253 --> 00:24:22,253
That got it.
500
00:24:22,254 --> 00:24:23,264
♪ Oh ♪
501
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:27,969
♪
502
00:24:27,968 --> 00:24:29,848
♪ Yeahyeah, yeah ♪
503
00:24:29,845 --> 00:24:33,675
♪
504
00:24:35,601 --> 00:24:39,441
That's when the audience applauds,
you go, wait for it, wait for it.
505
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:44,230
♪ Maybe I'm amazed at the way
you love me all the time ♪
506
00:24:46,069 --> 00:24:49,449
♪ And maybe I'm afraid
of the way I love you ♪
507
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:52,950
I'd seen something
that made me think,
508
00:24:52,951 --> 00:24:54,871
oh, John's got a new record out,
509
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:56,790
and it's called Lennon.
510
00:24:57,372 --> 00:24:59,082
I thought, wow, that's great.
511
00:24:59,458 --> 00:25:01,748
Oh boy. I missed that boat.
512
00:25:01,752 --> 00:25:02,712
Yeah.
You know.
513
00:25:02,711 --> 00:25:04,841
And it turned out not to be so.
Wow.
514
00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:07,258
So I said, well,
that's a great idea though.
515
00:25:07,257 --> 00:25:08,587
Yeah.
You just call it your surname.
516
00:25:08,592 --> 00:25:10,432
Yes.
So I said, I'll have that.
517
00:25:10,886 --> 00:25:13,256
So I just named my first record McCartney.
518
00:25:13,847 --> 00:25:16,977
♪ That he doesn't really understand ♪
519
00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:22,150
♪ Baby, I'm a man... ♪
Whoa.
520
00:25:22,147 --> 00:25:25,527
♪ You're the only woman
who could ever help me ♪
521
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:29,494
♪ Baby, won't you help me to understand? ♪
522
00:25:29,488 --> 00:25:33,198
♪ Ooh ♪
523
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,660
You were feeling good that day.
524
00:25:37,329 --> 00:25:42,579
♪
525
00:25:43,794 --> 00:25:46,264
When was the moment
when it switched from,
526
00:25:46,797 --> 00:25:48,297
okay, the old band broke up,
527
00:25:48,298 --> 00:25:50,378
there's some bad feelings,
business stuff,
528
00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:51,724
and now I'm moving on.
529
00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:55,098
I'm starting at the bottom
myself, over again.
530
00:25:55,097 --> 00:25:58,477
When could you look back
and realize,
531
00:25:58,475 --> 00:26:02,895
oh, what we did back then
was really good and special?
532
00:26:02,896 --> 00:26:06,066
I think once I'd got over the fact
533
00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:07,436
that the Beatles had broken up.
534
00:26:08,068 --> 00:26:13,618
Um, once I could allow myself to do
a Beatles song in, in our show.
535
00:26:13,615 --> 00:26:15,865
Would that have been five years
or ten years or
536
00:26:15,868 --> 00:26:18,198
No, I think it was,
it was a few years.
537
00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:20,793
I wanted a whole new thing.
Yes.
538
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:23,329
Whole new sound, new songs.
Yeah.
539
00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:26,377
So once we'd got that...
Yes.
540
00:26:26,378 --> 00:26:29,298
I felt vindicated and I thought, okay,
541
00:26:30,215 --> 00:26:33,675
now, why don'tI can,
I can now safely put a Beatles song in.
542
00:26:33,677 --> 00:26:37,467
Yes.
And, uh, then you started to think,
543
00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:39,852
ooh, what about that one?
544
00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:42,440
And I never would do a John song.
Hmm.
545
00:26:42,436 --> 00:26:46,726
Because I would just only go
to songs that I'd instigated.
546
00:26:46,732 --> 00:26:47,942
Yeah.
Um
547
00:26:47,941 --> 00:26:49,861
But after a while, I got
so comfortable with it,
548
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:51,400
I thought, yeah,
I'll do a John song.
549
00:26:51,403 --> 00:26:52,493
I love that song.
550
00:26:52,487 --> 00:26:54,657
I want to read to you one little thing.
551
00:26:54,656 --> 00:26:55,366
Yeah.
552
00:26:55,365 --> 00:26:57,945
It says, "Paul is one of
the most innovative bass players
553
00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:00,871
"that ever played bass, and half
of the stuff that's going on now
554
00:27:00,871 --> 00:27:03,461
"is directly ripped off
from his Beatle period.
555
00:27:03,457 --> 00:27:06,287
"He has always been a bit coy
about his bass playing,
556
00:27:06,293 --> 00:27:08,173
but he's a great, great musician."
557
00:27:09,296 --> 00:27:11,166
Did I write that?
That is John Lennon.
558
00:27:11,173 --> 00:27:12,343
That's John?
Yeah.
559
00:27:12,341 --> 00:27:13,341
Alright.
560
00:27:13,342 --> 00:27:14,762
Come on, Johnny.
561
00:27:15,219 --> 00:27:16,259
Yeah.
That's beautiful.
562
00:27:16,261 --> 00:27:17,511
I hadn'tI hadn't heard that before.
563
00:27:17,513 --> 00:27:19,563
It's interesting
considering obviously,
564
00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:23,016
you're two leaders of something,
and just competitive situation.
565
00:27:23,018 --> 00:27:24,388
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So to hear that.
566
00:27:24,394 --> 00:27:26,444
He'd never said that to me.
Yeah.
567
00:27:26,438 --> 00:27:29,188
So, but it's nice to hear
that he said it to someone.
568
00:27:29,650 --> 00:27:30,730
That's amazing.
569
00:27:31,818 --> 00:27:34,858
♪ Helter Skelter playing ♪
570
00:27:34,863 --> 00:27:38,413
♪ When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top of the slide ♪
571
00:27:38,408 --> 00:27:41,498
♪ Where I stop, and I turn,
and I go for a ride ♪
572
00:27:41,495 --> 00:27:46,035
♪ 'Til I get to the bottom,
and I see you again! ♪
573
00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,211
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah! ♪
574
00:27:49,545 --> 00:27:52,505
♪ Well, do you, don't you
want me to love you? ♪
575
00:27:55,259 --> 00:27:58,469
♪ I'm coming down fast,
but I'm miles above you ♪
576
00:28:01,098 --> 00:28:03,308
♪ Tell me, tell me, tell me ♪
577
00:28:03,308 --> 00:28:05,848
♪ Come on,
tell me the answer! ♪
578
00:28:06,562 --> 00:28:11,022
♪ Well, you may be a lover,
but you ain't no dancer ♪
579
00:28:12,192 --> 00:28:13,862
♪ Come on!
Helter skelter ♪
580
00:28:15,445 --> 00:28:17,155
♪ Helter skelter ♪
581
00:28:18,323 --> 00:28:19,953
♪ Helter skelter ♪
582
00:28:21,159 --> 00:28:21,869
♪ Yeah ♪
583
00:28:21,869 --> 00:28:24,869
♪
584
00:28:29,501 --> 00:28:32,711
♪ Oh, will you, won't you
want me to make you? ♪
585
00:28:32,713 --> 00:28:35,423
♪
586
00:28:35,424 --> 00:28:38,434
♪ I'm coming down fast,
but don't let me break you ♪
587
00:28:38,427 --> 00:28:41,217
♪
588
00:28:41,221 --> 00:28:43,931
♪ Tell me, tell me,
tell me the answer! ♪
589
00:28:43,932 --> 00:28:46,892
♪ You may be a lover,
but you ain't no dancer ♪
590
00:28:46,894 --> 00:28:48,604
♪
591
00:28:48,604 --> 00:28:49,694
♪ Look out! ♪
592
00:28:49,688 --> 00:28:51,228
♪ Helter skelter ♪
593
00:28:52,649 --> 00:28:54,149
♪ Helter skelter ♪
594
00:28:55,485 --> 00:28:57,025
♪ Helter skelter ♪
595
00:28:58,780 --> 00:28:59,870
♪ Ooh ♪
596
00:29:01,825 --> 00:29:02,945
♪ Look out! ♪
597
00:29:03,577 --> 00:29:05,287
♪ 'Cause here she comes ♪
598
00:29:05,287 --> 00:29:09,917
♪
599
00:29:18,008 --> 00:29:21,638
♪ When I get to the bottom,
I go back to the top of the slide ♪
600
00:29:21,637 --> 00:29:24,557
♪ And I stop, and I turn,
and I go for a ride ♪
601
00:29:24,556 --> 00:29:29,016
♪ And I get to the bottom,
and I see you again! ♪
602
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:31,019
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah! ♪
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