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Can I do something? 15 00:01:08,193 --> 00:01:09,694 - It's more of a doctor-patient thing. 16 00:01:09,736 --> 00:01:11,029 - Definitely don't want me handling that stuff. 17 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,447 I'll talk to him. 18 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:14,115 - Thank you, Jerry. 19 00:01:14,157 --> 00:01:15,575 - Will you make sure your mom's memorized on what she's saying? 20 00:01:15,617 --> 00:01:16,534 I don't want her getting distracted 21 00:01:16,576 --> 00:01:19,412 with lights, camera, action. 22 00:01:19,454 --> 00:01:21,915 - Two reasons why patients normally present 23 00:01:21,956 --> 00:01:24,876 to their doctors for pain related to the spine. 24 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:28,088 The first is related to the peripheral nervous system. 25 00:01:28,129 --> 00:01:29,923 That's called radiculopathy. 26 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:31,841 Now, normally, that type of pain is associated 27 00:01:31,883 --> 00:01:33,468 with depression or with... - Yo, Chris. 28 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:35,762 - Degenerative changes in-- - Cut. 29 00:01:35,804 --> 00:01:37,514 - [sighs] 30 00:01:37,555 --> 00:01:41,518 Okay, um, let's take a break. 31 00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:42,977 Knock out the patient's portion. 32 00:01:43,019 --> 00:01:44,229 Come back. 33 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:46,940 - Good idea. 34 00:01:46,981 --> 00:01:49,317 Fuck me. 35 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:52,570 I am so sorry. 36 00:01:52,612 --> 00:01:56,324 You're looking good. Feeling good? 37 00:01:59,411 --> 00:02:02,288 - I thought it'd be more professional. 38 00:02:04,541 --> 00:02:06,418 - Tell me what needs fixing, Chrissy, anything. 39 00:02:06,459 --> 00:02:09,921 - Kim's all over it. 40 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:14,009 - I know you're in the zone, but Sarah wants to talk to you. 41 00:02:14,050 --> 00:02:17,303 Janet's daughter. Our patient? 42 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:20,348 - Oh, yeah, that's fine. 43 00:02:23,518 --> 00:02:25,145 - Hey. Dr. Duntsch, how can I help you? 44 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:27,188 - Hi, Dr. Duntsch. 45 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:30,817 I noticed something in my mom's scar. 46 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:34,904 Like, blue peeking out, like a piece of sponge. 47 00:02:34,946 --> 00:02:38,783 So I got some tweezers and... 48 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:43,163 - Oh, wow. You should not have done that. 49 00:02:43,204 --> 00:02:44,914 - Oh, my God. What did I do? 50 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:46,499 - No, it's just a stitch. 51 00:02:46,541 --> 00:02:48,668 It's fine, but-- okay, you should call me 52 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:51,212 before you go digging around in there again, okay? 53 00:02:51,254 --> 00:02:53,798 - I did call a few times. - Quiet on set. 54 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,592 - [shushes] - You ready, Jenny? 55 00:02:55,633 --> 00:02:59,804 - Should I tell my own story? Because this isn't my story. 56 00:03:01,264 --> 00:03:04,726 - Janet, you look great today. 57 00:03:04,768 --> 00:03:06,644 Thank you so much for doing this. 58 00:03:06,686 --> 00:03:07,437 [whispering] 59 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:09,856 [dramatic music] 60 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:11,816 * * 61 00:03:11,858 --> 00:03:14,611 - You did good. 62 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:19,240 - [quietly] Yeah. 63 00:03:24,287 --> 00:03:27,582 - Roll camera. And action. 64 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:33,672 - Dr. Duntsch is one great man. 65 00:03:33,713 --> 00:03:38,343 He is the best doctor I think that you could ever go to, 66 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:41,721 and if you're having the problems that I had, 67 00:03:41,763 --> 00:03:47,894 you know, give him a call because he'll fix you. 68 00:03:56,152 --> 00:03:58,238 - No God damn way. 69 00:03:58,279 --> 00:03:59,864 - Mr. Duntsch... - Doctor. 70 00:03:59,906 --> 00:04:01,366 - I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 71 00:04:01,408 --> 00:04:03,910 - Doctor. - Dr. Duntsch, 72 00:04:03,952 --> 00:04:05,912 I don't think you appreciate the position you're in. 73 00:04:05,954 --> 00:04:07,664 - No, I don't. 74 00:04:07,706 --> 00:04:11,376 I do not appreciate being locked up in a cage 75 00:04:11,418 --> 00:04:13,795 like a dog for a year and a half. 76 00:04:13,837 --> 00:04:15,630 And I certainly do not appreciate you telling me 77 00:04:15,672 --> 00:04:17,716 that my best bet going forward 78 00:04:17,757 --> 00:04:20,343 is not just to fire your asses and hire real lawyers, 79 00:04:20,385 --> 00:04:21,678 but to ask for a continuance. 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,639 - I need to find someone to testify on your behalf. 81 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:26,641 - Put me on the stand. 82 00:04:26,683 --> 00:04:28,476 If anybody else tries to describe what it is 83 00:04:28,518 --> 00:04:30,603 that I do or how I do it, 84 00:04:30,645 --> 00:04:32,647 they're just gonna end up looking like a bunch of jerks. 85 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:36,151 - See, that right there is why you can't take the stand. 86 00:04:36,192 --> 00:04:37,694 You're emotionally driven. 87 00:04:37,736 --> 00:04:40,822 And when you're emotional, you can't control what you say. 88 00:04:42,907 --> 00:04:44,993 - [laughs] 89 00:04:48,038 --> 00:04:50,331 [grunts] 90 00:04:51,541 --> 00:04:53,293 [laughs softly] 91 00:04:53,335 --> 00:04:55,628 Try me. 92 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:57,797 [soft tense music] 93 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,716 * * 94 00:04:59,758 --> 00:05:01,843 - [sighs] 95 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:07,390 You are a drug- and alcohol- addicted surgeon 96 00:05:07,432 --> 00:05:09,642 who was too impaired to perform surgeries. 97 00:05:09,684 --> 00:05:10,894 - Allegedly. None of that was-- 98 00:05:10,935 --> 00:05:13,772 - Like a drunk driver, which, by the way, 99 00:05:13,813 --> 00:05:15,148 you have on your record, Mr. Duntsch. 100 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:16,358 - Doctor. 101 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,151 - No, you're no longer a doctor. 102 00:05:18,193 --> 00:05:19,527 You had your license stripped. 103 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:20,820 - Temporarily. 104 00:05:20,862 --> 00:05:22,489 - Not if we have anything to do with it. 105 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:24,657 And how about that email? The one in which 106 00:05:24,699 --> 00:05:26,910 you're prepared to become a cold-blooded killer. 107 00:05:26,951 --> 00:05:28,328 - I never meant for that to be taken literally-- 108 00:05:28,370 --> 00:05:30,121 - You wrote it. 109 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:31,664 So it was just a coincidence 110 00:05:31,706 --> 00:05:33,958 that you wrote that email to your lover, 111 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,960 who also happens to be your assistant, 112 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:38,254 just prior to killing or maiming over 33 patients? 113 00:05:38,296 --> 00:05:39,547 - It's not my fault! 114 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:41,257 The anesthesiologists and the nurses 115 00:05:41,299 --> 00:05:44,135 and the fat fucking patients... 116 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:51,893 [sighs] 117 00:05:51,935 --> 00:05:54,562 - Fire me, 118 00:05:54,604 --> 00:05:56,731 but know whoever slides into this seat 119 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:59,067 is gonna tell you a version of the same thing. 120 00:05:59,109 --> 00:06:00,694 I am trying to keep you 121 00:06:00,735 --> 00:06:03,405 from spending the rest of your life in prison. 122 00:06:07,075 --> 00:06:08,827 - I don't want to. 123 00:06:08,868 --> 00:06:10,704 You've got my deposition, and you've got my records. 124 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:12,038 I don't have anything more to give. 125 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,040 - The judge ruled you have to testify in front-- 126 00:06:14,082 --> 00:06:15,250 - How could the emails not be true? 127 00:06:15,291 --> 00:06:16,376 He sent them to me. 128 00:06:16,418 --> 00:06:17,544 - The defense has a right 129 00:06:17,585 --> 00:06:20,088 to cross-examine you and confirm that. 130 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:23,049 [soft uneasy music] 131 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:29,889 * * 132 00:06:29,931 --> 00:06:31,266 - You know, I thought the other side of the world 133 00:06:31,307 --> 00:06:34,060 was far enough. 134 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:41,901 They don't want me there because of the emails. 135 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:47,615 They wanna know about us, about our relationship. 136 00:06:49,659 --> 00:06:51,995 [sniffles] 137 00:06:52,037 --> 00:06:55,248 [sighs] What are they gonna ask? 138 00:06:55,290 --> 00:06:57,208 - If it were me, 139 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:59,919 I would remind them as often as I could 140 00:06:59,961 --> 00:07:01,880 that you two were sleeping together 141 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:03,548 to establish a conflict of interest. 142 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:06,134 - You mean to call me a whore who can't be trusted? 143 00:07:06,176 --> 00:07:09,012 - I know you're trying to leave this all behind, Ms. Morgan, 144 00:07:09,054 --> 00:07:11,598 but there's only one way to do that. 145 00:07:13,308 --> 00:07:14,642 [sighs deeply] 146 00:07:14,684 --> 00:07:16,895 - This is hostile. She's being hostile. 147 00:07:16,936 --> 00:07:18,480 - Do you need her to testify? 148 00:07:18,521 --> 00:07:21,149 - I do if I wanna introduce that email. 149 00:07:21,191 --> 00:07:23,234 - Can you prove your case without the email? 150 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:24,986 - Precedent-setting is precedent-setting, 151 00:07:25,028 --> 00:07:27,655 Dr. Henderson. No one's ever done this before. 152 00:07:27,697 --> 00:07:29,491 Gotta assume every little bit helps. 153 00:07:29,532 --> 00:07:30,992 - She's been through enough. 154 00:07:31,034 --> 00:07:32,619 - What the hell are you talking about, Bob? 155 00:07:32,660 --> 00:07:34,579 She was in the O.R. She was in the consult. 156 00:07:34,621 --> 00:07:36,122 She had to know what was going on. 157 00:07:36,164 --> 00:07:37,999 You ask me, she hasn't been through enough. 158 00:07:38,041 --> 00:07:40,960 - What about questioning his training and the investments? 159 00:07:41,002 --> 00:07:42,504 And we have the hospitals moving him around. 160 00:07:42,545 --> 00:07:43,672 What? What? 161 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:45,465 - We brought charges of elder abuse. 162 00:07:45,507 --> 00:07:46,800 The only way to prove that 163 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:48,551 is to prove that he was trained well 164 00:07:48,593 --> 00:07:49,886 and that he knew what he was doing, 165 00:07:49,928 --> 00:07:52,514 the whole time, he knew he was going to harm her. 166 00:07:52,555 --> 00:07:53,598 - Well, what about the drugs? 167 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,974 - That would be helpful, but-- 168 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:57,102 - Fine, fantastic. Drag Kayla Gibson in here. 169 00:07:57,143 --> 00:07:59,813 - Unless Ms. Gibson knew he was high and was with him 170 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:02,232 in surgery that day, it's inadmissible. 171 00:08:02,273 --> 00:08:04,234 - This is ridiculous. - No, it's not. 172 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:07,779 You came to me to help you stop Duntsch. 173 00:08:07,821 --> 00:08:09,197 We have to choose. 174 00:08:09,239 --> 00:08:10,657 If he's our goal, 175 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:13,618 then we have to focus on him and only him. 176 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:15,954 [tense music] 177 00:08:15,995 --> 00:08:18,081 - State, call your first witness. 178 00:08:18,123 --> 00:08:18,998 - Drew Sweeney. 179 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,500 - Joe Padua. - Harold Brennan. 180 00:08:20,542 --> 00:08:22,502 - Earl Burke. - Elaine Johnson. 181 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:23,586 - Henry Aldrich. 182 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:25,588 - Cindy Tremblay. - Stan Novak. 183 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:27,590 - Would you tell us a little about yourself? 184 00:08:27,632 --> 00:08:29,426 - I'm 41. 185 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:32,971 I work for the Collin County Medical Examiner's Office. 186 00:08:33,013 --> 00:08:34,472 - I worked for a pool company. 187 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:37,976 - My wife, Shelley, was an elementary education teacher. 188 00:08:38,018 --> 00:08:40,520 - Dorothy and I were married 46 years. 189 00:08:40,562 --> 00:08:43,481 Two kids, nine grandkids. 190 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,859 - Commercial construction project manager. 191 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:47,652 - Started driving trucks in '98. 192 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:50,071 - Two children--both had better be in school right now. 193 00:08:50,113 --> 00:08:51,948 - I'm an air conditioner contractor. 194 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:55,118 - What were your symptoms prior to seeing Dr. Duntsch? 195 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,454 - Light back pain. - Lower back pain. 196 00:08:57,495 --> 00:08:59,414 - We were decorating the Christmas tree, 197 00:08:59,456 --> 00:09:00,623 and Shelley missed a rung. 198 00:09:00,665 --> 00:09:02,000 - Neck pain. 199 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:04,711 - Pain in the neck and numb pinky. 200 00:09:04,753 --> 00:09:06,254 - Numbness. Tingling in my finger. 201 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:07,839 - Back pain. 202 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:09,507 Hard to be a mom when you can't pick anything up. 203 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:12,719 - Broke my back. Motorcycle accident. 204 00:09:12,761 --> 00:09:14,804 - How did you hear about Dr. Duntsch? 205 00:09:14,846 --> 00:09:16,389 - My doctor. - Family doctor. 206 00:09:16,431 --> 00:09:18,016 - Website called Best Docs. 207 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:20,226 - Baylor Medical website. Five stars. 208 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:22,562 - Seemed like he knew what he was talking about. 209 00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:24,856 - He told us he was gonna fix her. 210 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:26,399 That's all we needed to know. 211 00:09:26,441 --> 00:09:28,193 - Arrogant. 212 00:09:28,234 --> 00:09:30,570 Told me he was the best in the metroplex. 213 00:09:30,612 --> 00:09:33,531 - So it's the day of the surgery. 214 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:35,450 - I had second thoughts that day. 215 00:09:35,492 --> 00:09:37,744 - My understanding was my surgery was supposed 216 00:09:37,786 --> 00:09:41,664 to last a couple of hours. It took four. 217 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:43,917 - When you woke up from surgery, 218 00:09:43,958 --> 00:09:45,251 what was that like? 219 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:47,379 - A nightmare. 220 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:52,008 I woke up in a nightmare, tubes coming out of everywhere. 221 00:09:52,050 --> 00:09:54,552 Feeding tubes, drain tubes. 222 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:57,639 - I couldn't move, and the pain... 223 00:09:57,681 --> 00:09:59,808 - They were pumping me full of blood, 224 00:09:59,849 --> 00:10:01,434 and I didn't know why. 225 00:10:01,476 --> 00:10:03,311 - I was sore. I hurt. 226 00:10:03,353 --> 00:10:04,771 I was worse. 227 00:10:04,813 --> 00:10:08,149 - Couldn't move, and my wife told me he'd found a tumor 228 00:10:08,191 --> 00:10:10,443 and had to abort the surgery. 229 00:10:10,485 --> 00:10:13,029 It turns out it was a piece of my neck muscle. 230 00:10:13,071 --> 00:10:16,616 - Every bone hurt. I was crying. 231 00:10:16,658 --> 00:10:19,285 I'm sober, so I can't take the meds. 232 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:20,954 - She never woke up. 233 00:10:20,995 --> 00:10:23,289 - I went home. I laid around. 234 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:25,667 Wasn't eating or drinking anything 235 00:10:25,709 --> 00:10:27,127 'cause of the sore throat. 236 00:10:27,168 --> 00:10:28,878 - I remember being like I was a baby. 237 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,755 You know, like a baby who can't hold himself up. 238 00:10:30,797 --> 00:10:34,300 First thing that went through my mind: what's he done to me? 239 00:10:34,342 --> 00:10:37,512 - He looked at the incision and said everything was fine. 240 00:10:37,554 --> 00:10:39,139 - He kept repeating himself. 241 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:40,473 He kept saying that what was wrong 242 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:42,017 wasn't related to the surgery. 243 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:43,977 - I knew there was something wrong with this guy. 244 00:10:44,019 --> 00:10:46,146 Sorry, man. You looked high as a kite. 245 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:47,981 - Objection. - Sustained. 246 00:10:48,023 --> 00:10:49,649 - Has this changed your life? 247 00:10:49,691 --> 00:10:51,609 - I walk with a limp. 248 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:53,862 I have trouble with incontinence, 249 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:55,488 erectile dysfunction. 250 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:57,782 - I can't sing. 251 00:10:59,868 --> 00:11:01,703 Not that I was ever a good singer, 252 00:11:01,745 --> 00:11:05,707 but that's just an everyday reminder. 253 00:11:05,749 --> 00:11:09,336 - She was the love of my life. 254 00:11:11,046 --> 00:11:13,214 It's hard to get over a broken heart. 255 00:11:13,256 --> 00:11:14,883 - Just living one day at a time, 256 00:11:14,924 --> 00:11:16,426 just like recovery. 257 00:11:16,468 --> 00:11:19,179 - I can't play with my children like I used to. 258 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:22,307 - I learned ways to control the pain, 259 00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:24,851 mostly through prayer and meditation. 260 00:11:24,893 --> 00:11:28,271 - I sit in a recliner, watch TV, 261 00:11:28,313 --> 00:11:31,691 a lot of medicine, antidepressants. 262 00:11:31,733 --> 00:11:34,402 - I miss her. 263 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:37,906 She was-- 264 00:11:37,947 --> 00:11:41,659 she was a very-- 265 00:11:41,701 --> 00:11:44,579 very good woman. 266 00:11:44,621 --> 00:11:48,458 And that's all I can say. 267 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,836 - Can you tell us how old you are? 268 00:11:51,878 --> 00:11:54,047 - 70. 269 00:11:54,089 --> 00:11:57,717 - And what did you do for a living? 270 00:11:57,759 --> 00:12:00,261 - I was a teacher's aide, 271 00:12:00,303 --> 00:12:04,391 and then I worked in physical therapy for a bit. 272 00:12:04,432 --> 00:12:06,768 Ironic. 273 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:10,730 - What took you to Christopher Duntsch? 274 00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:13,775 - I had back pain for years, 275 00:12:13,817 --> 00:12:18,238 and it radiated to the end of my foot. 276 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,491 And I tried all the treatments. 277 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:24,744 Steroid shots, PT. 278 00:12:24,786 --> 00:12:26,371 Nothing worked. 279 00:12:26,413 --> 00:12:29,916 - Before you met the defendant, had you had surgery? 280 00:12:29,958 --> 00:12:31,960 - Mm-hmm. 2008. 281 00:12:32,002 --> 00:12:33,294 A laminectomy. 282 00:12:33,336 --> 00:12:37,549 It helped for a number of years, 283 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:42,470 but it didn't last and then my pain management team 284 00:12:42,512 --> 00:12:44,764 referred me to Dr. Duntsch. 285 00:12:44,806 --> 00:12:48,935 - How did you feel going into the surgery? 286 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:53,148 - Fine. Good. 287 00:12:53,189 --> 00:12:57,402 I walked into the hospital happy, 288 00:12:57,444 --> 00:13:02,032 and I was thinking, "This is gonna fix it." 289 00:13:02,073 --> 00:13:05,994 - And how did you feel when you woke up? 290 00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:10,081 - I was in pain. 291 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:12,625 [disquieting music] 292 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:15,628 I was in pain, 293 00:13:15,670 --> 00:13:18,465 and no one could tell me what was wrong with me 294 00:13:18,506 --> 00:13:20,967 until Dr. Henderson. 295 00:13:21,009 --> 00:13:23,803 He said that he thought that 296 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:27,307 the fusion was improperly placed, 297 00:13:27,349 --> 00:13:32,312 and that something was pressing against a nerve. 298 00:13:32,354 --> 00:13:34,314 He said he didn't want to wait 299 00:13:34,356 --> 00:13:38,151 to operate on me, so they rushed me in. 300 00:13:38,193 --> 00:13:41,654 - What happened after Dr. Henderson operated on you? 301 00:13:41,696 --> 00:13:44,949 - The pain was much better, and I could-- 302 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:48,370 I could move my right foot a bit, 303 00:13:48,411 --> 00:13:50,455 but not my left. 304 00:13:50,497 --> 00:13:54,459 - So prior to surgery with Christopher Duntsch, 305 00:13:54,501 --> 00:13:59,381 you had pain, but you could still live life. 306 00:14:00,965 --> 00:14:03,551 And now? 307 00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:07,013 - I wish I could go back to the days 308 00:14:07,055 --> 00:14:09,766 before I met Christopher Duntsch. 309 00:14:09,808 --> 00:14:13,561 [unsettling music] 310 00:14:13,603 --> 00:14:16,481 [faint indistinct chatter] 311 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,156 - Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 312 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:27,325 - Randall Parker Kirby. 313 00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,537 I went to Rice undergrad. Baylor for medical school. 314 00:14:30,578 --> 00:14:31,621 Stayed at Baylor for 315 00:14:31,663 --> 00:14:33,748 my five-year general surgery residency 316 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:36,501 as well as my two-year vascular surgery fellowship. 317 00:14:36,543 --> 00:14:39,879 I have privileges at every major hospital in Dallas, 318 00:14:39,921 --> 00:14:42,465 including Baylor, Medical City Dallas, 319 00:14:42,507 --> 00:14:44,217 Medical City Children's, 320 00:14:44,259 --> 00:14:47,512 Methodist, Dallas Medical, Presbyterian, 321 00:14:47,554 --> 00:14:50,432 and approximately 40 other smaller hospitals 322 00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:53,518 and outpatient surgery centers here in the metroplex. 323 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,189 My area of expertise is anterior spinal access. 324 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:00,442 I work with most of the neurosurgical 325 00:15:00,483 --> 00:15:03,695 and orthopedic spine surgeons here in DFW. 326 00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:07,782 I open up the chest and the abdomen so they can correct 327 00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:10,827 whatever deformity they need to correct in the front. 328 00:15:10,869 --> 00:15:16,332 I perform between two to four of these operations per day. 329 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:18,752 Five--call it six days a week. 330 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:22,714 I do hernias, gallbladders, 331 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:25,383 blockages of the legs and the neck arteries, anyone? 332 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:30,055 But my area of expertise and the chapters I've published 333 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,307 have all been on anterior spine access. 334 00:15:32,349 --> 00:15:33,933 - And were you called in on a case 335 00:15:33,975 --> 00:15:36,061 regarding a patient named Joe Padua? 336 00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:39,022 - Yeah, he works with the company 337 00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:40,273 that takes care of my pool. 338 00:15:40,315 --> 00:15:42,942 I was asked to come in, lend a hand. 339 00:15:42,984 --> 00:15:44,444 It seemed nobody else was available. 340 00:15:44,486 --> 00:15:45,445 - Available? 341 00:15:45,487 --> 00:15:46,780 - Nobody wanted to work with him. 342 00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:48,114 - Objection. 343 00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:49,282 The witness has no way of knowing that. 344 00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:50,742 - [chuckles] Oh, I do. 345 00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:52,827 - Sustained. - Eh. 346 00:15:52,869 --> 00:15:56,206 - Did you know Dr. Duntsch prior to this surgery? 347 00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:58,833 - I met him one time before we had a conversation. 348 00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:03,088 I was scrubbing in on a case, and he tried to convince me 349 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:07,092 that he was the best spine surgeon in town. 350 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,761 I found the conversation disturbing. 351 00:16:09,803 --> 00:16:12,555 I mean, sure, most surgeons are superior sons of guns, 352 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,265 some would even say yours truly, 353 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:16,851 but this guy was next level. 354 00:16:16,893 --> 00:16:17,977 I mean, he tried to tell me 355 00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:19,354 that all the surgeries in Dallas 356 00:16:19,396 --> 00:16:22,357 were being performed incorrectly. 357 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:25,360 - And what did you observe during your operation with him? 358 00:16:25,402 --> 00:16:28,029 - An anterior lumbar fusion at L5-S1 359 00:16:28,071 --> 00:16:31,616 is about the easiest procedure a spine surgeon can perform, 360 00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:33,535 and he just struggled. 361 00:16:33,576 --> 00:16:35,120 I mean, he was functioning at the level 362 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:37,831 of a first- or second-year resident. 363 00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:40,667 Instead of using a scalpel to remove the disc, 364 00:16:40,709 --> 00:16:44,295 he just started grabbing at it with a double-action rongeur. 365 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,842 All right, imagine, instead of using a pizza slicer 366 00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:51,845 to divide and conquer your extra-large pepperoni, 367 00:16:51,886 --> 00:16:55,306 you went after it with a pair of lockjaw pliers. 368 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:57,809 Not appetizing, right? 369 00:16:57,851 --> 00:16:59,310 - Did it appear to you 370 00:16:59,352 --> 00:17:02,147 that there was more blood loss than there should be? 371 00:17:02,188 --> 00:17:03,857 - When he was taking the disc out, 372 00:17:03,898 --> 00:17:05,483 he took off a bit of bone 373 00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:08,528 from the bottom of the L5 vertebral body. 374 00:17:08,570 --> 00:17:12,157 In surgical parlance, he violated the endplate. 375 00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:14,492 Very difficult to do in healthy bone. 376 00:17:14,534 --> 00:17:16,327 He did the same thing to the sacrum. 377 00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:18,163 When you start chewing into bone, 378 00:17:18,204 --> 00:17:19,706 you get a lot of bleeding. 379 00:17:19,748 --> 00:17:23,710 It's not easy to stop bleeding when it's coming from bone. 380 00:17:23,752 --> 00:17:26,504 You're just really not supposed to do that. 381 00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:28,715 - What are you supposed to do? 382 00:17:28,757 --> 00:17:30,884 - Curet off the cartilage. 383 00:17:30,925 --> 00:17:32,635 A curet is like a scraper. 384 00:17:32,677 --> 00:17:34,471 You scrape off all the cartilage 385 00:17:34,512 --> 00:17:37,932 so you can get a proper fusion, and then heal bone to bone. 386 00:17:37,974 --> 00:17:39,851 - When did you leave the surgery? 387 00:17:39,893 --> 00:17:43,480 - Midway, I was called into a previously scheduled operation. 388 00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:44,439 Grudgingly. 389 00:17:44,481 --> 00:17:47,108 - Grudgingly. Why grudgingly? 390 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:50,111 [soft tense music] 391 00:17:50,153 --> 00:17:52,822 * * 392 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:56,242 - He was the neurosurgeon. He was in charge. 393 00:17:56,284 --> 00:17:57,827 I did my job. 394 00:17:57,869 --> 00:18:03,333 I did my best to guide him, and then I left. 395 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:08,213 In hindsight, I suppose I could have dragged him out of there. 396 00:18:08,254 --> 00:18:11,508 If there's ever a next time, I will. 397 00:18:11,549 --> 00:18:14,469 [faint indistinct chatter] 398 00:18:15,470 --> 00:18:18,098 - State passes. - Defense. 399 00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:30,235 - You stated that Dr. Duntsch was operating at the level 400 00:18:30,276 --> 00:18:33,196 of a first- or second-year surgical resident. 401 00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,573 How many years does a neurosurgical resident 402 00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:36,783 typically study? 403 00:18:36,825 --> 00:18:38,535 - Six. 404 00:18:38,576 --> 00:18:40,662 - And would that include his training? 405 00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:43,623 - [laughs softly] Or lack thereof. 406 00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:48,336 - Or lack thereof. 407 00:18:50,213 --> 00:18:52,090 Well said. 408 00:18:52,132 --> 00:18:54,217 Defense passes the witness. 409 00:18:54,259 --> 00:18:57,095 - We stand in recess until tomorrow. 410 00:18:57,137 --> 00:19:00,098 [indistinct chatter] 411 00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:03,059 [dramatic music] 412 00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:10,150 * * 413 00:19:12,444 --> 00:19:15,613 - We can shift the blame to your training. 414 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,161 - My training was some of the best in the world. 415 00:19:21,202 --> 00:19:24,497 - No, it was some of the worst. 416 00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:27,292 - What are you talking about? 417 00:19:27,334 --> 00:19:29,502 - We'll say you slipped through the cracks. 418 00:19:29,544 --> 00:19:30,837 You were told you were good enough to graduate, 419 00:19:30,879 --> 00:19:32,422 but you didn't have enough training hours. 420 00:19:32,464 --> 00:19:35,008 Your financial ties to Skadden 421 00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:37,260 and the rest of the investors blinded them to your-- 422 00:19:37,302 --> 00:19:38,470 to your flaws. - Stop. 423 00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:39,679 - The entire medical community 424 00:19:39,721 --> 00:19:41,222 of Dallas should have recognized it. 425 00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:44,309 Instead, they simply moved you from hospital to hospital. 426 00:19:44,351 --> 00:19:48,521 - You are erasing my legacy. 427 00:19:49,773 --> 00:19:51,358 - Legacy? 428 00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:54,736 Christopher, you're done. 429 00:19:54,778 --> 00:19:55,904 - Fuck you. 430 00:19:55,945 --> 00:19:57,155 - You'll never practice medicine again. 431 00:19:57,197 --> 00:19:58,823 - Fuck you. 432 00:19:58,865 --> 00:20:00,325 And why aren't you pushing back on any of their witnesses? 433 00:20:00,367 --> 00:20:01,785 - How exactly would I do that, Chris? 434 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:03,787 - I don't know. That's your job, isn't it? 435 00:20:03,828 --> 00:20:05,914 You break them down. You tell them they're wrong. 436 00:20:05,955 --> 00:20:08,541 You get them to admit-- admit whatever it was 437 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,085 that they lied to me about that messed up their surgery. 438 00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,294 - Chris-- 439 00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:13,296 - You do something to defend me. 440 00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:14,673 - The only witness, 441 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:16,466 the only defense that I have right now 442 00:20:16,508 --> 00:20:20,178 is gonna speak to your narcissism. 443 00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:22,597 Our best bet is to prove 444 00:20:22,639 --> 00:20:24,307 that you never should have practiced medicine. 445 00:20:24,349 --> 00:20:27,102 Give me this. Please give me this, 446 00:20:27,143 --> 00:20:29,312 and we might be able to save you. 447 00:20:29,354 --> 00:20:31,981 - [sighs] 448 00:21:21,781 --> 00:21:24,451 - Thanks for being here today, Mr. Summers. 449 00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:27,996 Can you tell us how you know Mr. Duntsch? 450 00:21:30,915 --> 00:21:35,170 - We were classmates. Went to high school together. 451 00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:36,755 Lost touch. 452 00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:40,050 Reconnected when he returned to medical school in Memphis. 453 00:21:40,091 --> 00:21:43,636 - What led you to have surgery with Mr. Duntsch? 454 00:21:43,678 --> 00:21:47,223 - Sharp, stabbing-like sticking pain in my neck. 455 00:21:47,265 --> 00:21:48,600 Numbness. 456 00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:50,685 - Did he explain the risks? 457 00:21:50,727 --> 00:21:53,188 - He advised it was dangerous. 458 00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:55,899 He promised to take care of me. 459 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:59,527 - What did you do the night before the surgery? 460 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:13,208 - Watched a game. Basketball. 461 00:22:13,249 --> 00:22:16,169 Then I went to bed around 10:00. 462 00:22:16,211 --> 00:22:19,964 May--maybe more like 11:30. 463 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:24,678 - What's the first thing you remember after the surgery? 464 00:22:26,304 --> 00:22:29,599 - I could barely move. 465 00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:35,021 I just kind of started freaking out, hollering. 466 00:22:35,063 --> 00:22:36,481 Wanting to know what was going on. 467 00:22:36,523 --> 00:22:39,734 - And did Chris come and talk to you? 468 00:22:39,776 --> 00:22:44,030 - Not at first, but eventually. 469 00:22:44,072 --> 00:22:47,117 And then they took me in for a second surgery, 470 00:22:47,158 --> 00:22:49,953 and when I got out, I couldn't move at all. 471 00:22:49,994 --> 00:22:52,914 - Do you remember making a statement in the ICU 472 00:22:52,956 --> 00:22:55,458 that you and Chris were doing cocaine together 473 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,003 the night prior to surgery? 474 00:23:05,093 --> 00:23:07,929 - I wanted to see him. 475 00:23:07,971 --> 00:23:13,184 He wasn't coming around, and I--I was mad. 476 00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,311 I made it up. 477 00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:18,231 He was my doctor. 478 00:23:18,273 --> 00:23:20,525 I wanted to know why I couldn't move. 479 00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:22,652 He was in charge. 480 00:23:22,694 --> 00:23:26,156 He wouldn't come see me. 481 00:23:26,197 --> 00:23:28,491 - And he was your friend? 482 00:23:31,536 --> 00:23:34,497 Let the record show the witness nodded. 483 00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:36,750 He was your best friend? 484 00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:41,046 Let the record show the witness nodded. 485 00:23:42,714 --> 00:23:45,342 And he abandoned you? 486 00:23:45,383 --> 00:23:48,303 [pensive music] 487 00:23:48,345 --> 00:23:49,637 * * 488 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:52,682 The State passes the witness. 489 00:23:59,064 --> 00:24:03,068 - I'm terribly sorry for what happened to you. 490 00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:10,075 You and Chris played football together, yes? 491 00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:11,284 - That's right. 492 00:24:11,326 --> 00:24:14,245 - And did you have some victories 493 00:24:14,287 --> 00:24:16,581 and some not-so-great games? 494 00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:19,626 - Yeah. 495 00:24:19,668 --> 00:24:21,920 - And how did Chris deal with those games? 496 00:24:21,961 --> 00:24:26,091 Did he always go in and always try to do his best? 497 00:24:27,425 --> 00:24:29,594 - Yeah. 498 00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:33,515 - Were you aware that he was in a fellowship program 499 00:24:33,556 --> 00:24:35,809 studying under Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 500 00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:37,227 - Yes. 501 00:24:37,268 --> 00:24:39,813 - And from your understanding, was it very important, 502 00:24:39,854 --> 00:24:42,023 what he was doing for Dr. Skadden? 503 00:24:44,234 --> 00:24:45,360 - Yeah. 504 00:24:45,402 --> 00:24:47,612 - And things like doing surgeries 505 00:24:47,654 --> 00:24:51,241 while he was there under Skadden's supervision, 506 00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:54,536 that was important to becoming a successful surgeon? 507 00:24:54,577 --> 00:24:55,912 - Yeah. 508 00:24:55,954 --> 00:24:59,082 - Did you ever see Chris get out of obligations 509 00:24:59,124 --> 00:25:00,834 that he had at school? 510 00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:04,087 - I felt that way sometimes. 511 00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:06,089 - Can you give us an example of that? 512 00:25:06,131 --> 00:25:09,801 Like, something that you saw or that made you think that? 513 00:25:09,843 --> 00:25:12,262 - I can just remember maybe making a phone call 514 00:25:12,303 --> 00:25:13,722 to a doctor, 515 00:25:13,763 --> 00:25:15,598 maybe Dr. Skadden or another doctor, 516 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,310 to say that he had stuff to do for DiscGenics. 517 00:25:19,352 --> 00:25:22,731 And I can remember them 518 00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:25,650 let him out whatever he had to do. 519 00:25:25,692 --> 00:25:27,610 - When you would find out that Dr. Skadden 520 00:25:27,652 --> 00:25:29,571 and/or some other doctor would just excuse him 521 00:25:29,612 --> 00:25:32,991 from doing things at school in lieu of staying in the lab, 522 00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:34,659 I mean, did you think that was a problem? 523 00:25:34,701 --> 00:25:36,786 - I never knew that, you know, what was happening, 524 00:25:36,828 --> 00:25:40,749 and so I--I--I don't know what he was missing 525 00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:43,376 or where he was going. So I--I don't know. 526 00:25:43,418 --> 00:25:44,461 - Okay. 527 00:25:44,502 --> 00:25:45,712 Well, did you ever meet 528 00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:49,215 any one of his classmates, or anyone 529 00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:51,301 who went to the University of Tennessee Med School, 530 00:25:51,343 --> 00:25:52,886 and talk to them about the rigors 531 00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:57,057 of completing medical school and completing that fellowship? 532 00:25:57,098 --> 00:25:58,725 - I don't remember. 533 00:25:58,767 --> 00:26:00,518 - You don't remember anyone saying 534 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,521 that he only got through medical school 535 00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:05,273 because Skadden liked him? 536 00:26:05,315 --> 00:26:07,192 - I heard that after--you know, 537 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,319 something similar to that since my surgery. 538 00:26:09,361 --> 00:26:12,530 - Do you remember who that was that told you that or is that-- 539 00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:14,491 - I heard it from a friend 540 00:26:14,532 --> 00:26:15,658 who heard it from another friend, 541 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,118 and he made a comment 542 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,664 that Chris was able to circumvent the program. 543 00:26:22,374 --> 00:26:25,418 - Did they attribute that circumventing to Dr. Skadden 544 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:27,170 or some other doctor or both? - I don't know. 545 00:26:27,212 --> 00:26:28,421 I don't--I don't know. 546 00:26:28,463 --> 00:26:29,923 - Okay. - I don't know. 547 00:26:29,964 --> 00:26:31,633 - Okay, you said you understood-- 548 00:26:31,675 --> 00:26:32,967 - I think what they attributed to is the fact 549 00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:34,010 that they had companies with them. 550 00:26:34,052 --> 00:26:35,512 - Well, that was the next thing 551 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:36,805 I was gonna ask you about. 552 00:26:36,846 --> 00:26:40,266 You said they had companies with him. 553 00:26:40,308 --> 00:26:43,353 They gave all the funds to those companies. 554 00:26:43,395 --> 00:26:44,646 - Right. 555 00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:46,981 - For him to do the research, right? 556 00:26:47,023 --> 00:26:48,149 - Right. 557 00:26:48,191 --> 00:26:50,443 - Okay, and it was very important 558 00:26:50,485 --> 00:26:53,530 that research be successful to those companies. 559 00:26:53,571 --> 00:26:55,573 Is that correct? 560 00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:58,368 - Yeah. 561 00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:00,370 - Now, when Chris moved here, 562 00:27:00,412 --> 00:27:02,122 did he cut off all work 563 00:27:02,163 --> 00:27:05,250 with Dr. Skadden and DiscGenics? 564 00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:06,459 - Not that I know of. 565 00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:08,044 - So Chris came to Dallas, 566 00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:10,672 and he worked at the Minimally Invasive Spine Institute. 567 00:27:10,714 --> 00:27:12,048 Is that correct? 568 00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:13,049 - Yeah. 569 00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:14,926 - And while he was working there, 570 00:27:14,968 --> 00:27:18,013 he was being pursued by Amy Piel at Baylor-Plano. 571 00:27:18,054 --> 00:27:19,055 Is that correct? 572 00:27:19,097 --> 00:27:20,724 - Well, she was interested in having 573 00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:22,684 a successful clinic on the property. 574 00:27:22,726 --> 00:27:26,312 - Mm-hmm. All to herself. 575 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:30,066 Because if he was with Missy, 576 00:27:30,108 --> 00:27:33,945 she wasn't getting all the fees that he would generate. 577 00:27:36,281 --> 00:27:37,782 - Yeah. 578 00:27:37,824 --> 00:27:43,913 - So both the chair of his fellowship, 579 00:27:43,955 --> 00:27:45,832 the person responsible for his training, 580 00:27:45,874 --> 00:27:48,168 and one of the largest hospitals 581 00:27:48,209 --> 00:27:52,130 in the Dallas-Fort Worth area had financial reasons 582 00:27:52,172 --> 00:27:56,718 for ensuring that Christopher Duntsch was successful. 583 00:28:01,723 --> 00:28:03,892 - I'd say so. 584 00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:09,481 - Defense passes the witness. 585 00:28:09,522 --> 00:28:11,775 - Redirect. 586 00:28:13,151 --> 00:28:16,780 Did Christopher ever visit you after the surgery? 587 00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:19,949 After you returned home to Memphis? 588 00:28:21,493 --> 00:28:24,162 - Once. He came to visit. 589 00:28:25,663 --> 00:28:29,334 - What did you talk about? 590 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:33,338 - His baby, his practice. 591 00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:35,006 Nothing in depth. 592 00:28:35,048 --> 00:28:37,676 - Did he ask about you? 593 00:28:38,718 --> 00:28:42,722 About what was happening in your life? 594 00:28:44,808 --> 00:28:47,394 - No. 595 00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:51,815 - Ms. McClung said that she was sorry 596 00:28:51,856 --> 00:28:53,316 for what happened to you, 597 00:28:53,358 --> 00:28:56,319 even though she has no connection to your surgery. 598 00:28:56,361 --> 00:29:01,491 Has Christopher ever said he was sorry? 599 00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:04,494 [dramatic music] 600 00:29:04,536 --> 00:29:07,580 * * 601 00:29:07,622 --> 00:29:10,041 - No. 602 00:29:13,211 --> 00:29:17,173 - Final question, Mr. Summers. 603 00:29:17,215 --> 00:29:19,300 He's here now. 604 00:29:19,342 --> 00:29:22,012 Is there anything you want to say to him? 605 00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:24,764 - Objection. - Sustained. 606 00:29:29,436 --> 00:29:31,187 - I love you. 607 00:29:31,229 --> 00:29:35,025 - The jury will disregard that last statement. 608 00:29:35,066 --> 00:29:38,111 - The State has no further questions. 609 00:29:49,622 --> 00:29:52,375 - Would you please introduce yourself to the jury? 610 00:29:52,417 --> 00:29:53,918 - Major Kimberly Morgan. 611 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,420 United States Air Force. 612 00:29:55,462 --> 00:29:57,797 - And are you currently out on deployment 613 00:29:57,839 --> 00:29:59,883 in a location you cannot disclose? 614 00:29:59,924 --> 00:30:01,676 - Yes, ma'am, due to security. 615 00:30:01,718 --> 00:30:03,553 - Are you familiar with a person 616 00:30:03,595 --> 00:30:04,888 named Christopher Duntsch? 617 00:30:04,929 --> 00:30:06,222 - Yes, ma'am. 618 00:30:06,264 --> 00:30:07,682 I ran the office at his clinic 619 00:30:07,724 --> 00:30:09,184 and assisted in surgery. 620 00:30:09,225 --> 00:30:11,519 - Can you tell us what the defendant was like? 621 00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:12,812 His demeanor? 622 00:30:12,854 --> 00:30:15,648 - Caring, kind, 623 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,776 always very nice to the patients. 624 00:30:17,817 --> 00:30:19,277 He took time to listen to them. 625 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,030 - And did that change over the course 626 00:30:22,072 --> 00:30:24,366 of the time you were with him? 627 00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:26,910 - Yes, 628 00:30:26,951 --> 00:30:29,704 after the event in February 2012. 629 00:30:29,746 --> 00:30:33,041 - The event? 630 00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:34,668 - Jerry Summers' surgery. 631 00:30:34,709 --> 00:30:37,796 [tender music] 632 00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:42,300 Mr. Summers wasn't able to use his limbs, 633 00:30:42,342 --> 00:30:46,012 was having difficulty breathing, 634 00:30:46,054 --> 00:30:48,223 and then he talked about how he and Dr. Duntsch 635 00:30:48,264 --> 00:30:51,059 were doing cocaine the night before the surgery. 636 00:30:51,101 --> 00:30:53,728 - You were ordered to take a drug test? 637 00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:57,315 - Myself and Dr. Duntsch. I took it right away that day. 638 00:30:57,357 --> 00:30:58,566 - Did the defendant? 639 00:30:58,608 --> 00:30:59,984 - Eventually. 640 00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:01,319 It came back clean, 641 00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:03,488 and Baylor reinstated his privileges. 642 00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:05,031 - Shelley Brennan would be 643 00:31:05,073 --> 00:31:07,492 the last patient you assisted on? 644 00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:10,870 - Yes. 645 00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,415 - What do you remember about her surgery? 646 00:31:14,374 --> 00:31:17,335 [ominous music] 647 00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:24,175 * * 648 00:31:24,217 --> 00:31:27,846 - It's a simple surgery. 649 00:31:27,887 --> 00:31:31,141 In one day, home the next. 650 00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:37,397 - This is an email from Duntsch@TNIclinic.net 651 00:31:37,439 --> 00:31:39,566 to Kimberly Morgan. 652 00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:41,651 The subject is "Occam's Razor." 653 00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:46,740 "Kim, unfortunately, you cannot understand that 654 00:31:46,781 --> 00:31:50,076 "I really am building an empire, 655 00:31:50,118 --> 00:31:53,121 "and I am so far outside the box 656 00:31:53,163 --> 00:31:57,208 "that the Earth is small and the Sun is bright. 657 00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:00,253 "Anyone close to me thinks that I'm likely 658 00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:02,922 "something between God, Einstein, 659 00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:05,091 and the Antichrist... 660 00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:07,302 - Because how can I do anything that I want 661 00:32:07,344 --> 00:32:09,095 across any discipline boundary 662 00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:12,182 like it's a playground and never ever lose? 663 00:32:12,223 --> 00:32:14,351 Unfortunately, despite the fact 664 00:32:14,392 --> 00:32:17,896 that I am winning, it is not happening fast enough. 665 00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,273 What is the problem, Kim? 666 00:32:20,315 --> 00:32:23,568 It is simply that everyone else is human, 667 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,154 and there's nothing I can do about it. 668 00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:29,282 So I pick and choose my humans 669 00:32:29,324 --> 00:32:32,369 and try to help them. 670 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:36,206 You, my child, 671 00:32:36,247 --> 00:32:41,252 are the only one standing between me and the other side. 672 00:32:41,294 --> 00:32:46,591 I am ready to leave the love and kindness and goodness 673 00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:50,845 and patience that I mixed with everything else that I am 674 00:32:50,887 --> 00:32:53,348 and become a cold-blooded killer. 675 00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:57,310 The sad fact is, I could go faster, do better, 676 00:32:57,352 --> 00:32:59,521 catch more honor and respect 677 00:32:59,562 --> 00:33:02,023 by fucking everybody in the brain, 678 00:33:02,065 --> 00:33:03,858 emotionally and mentally controlling them 679 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,111 in a manner that borders on abuse, 680 00:33:06,152 --> 00:33:10,323 taking no prisoners, sending everyone in my way, 681 00:33:10,365 --> 00:33:13,493 especially that fucks with me, to hell 682 00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:17,163 for the simple fact that they thought they could. 683 00:33:19,082 --> 00:33:23,003 What I am being as what I am, 684 00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:26,047 one of a kind, 685 00:33:26,089 --> 00:33:30,927 a motherfucker stone-cold killer. 686 00:33:35,098 --> 00:33:38,643 - I'll pass my witness, Your Honor. 687 00:33:38,685 --> 00:33:40,103 - I don't think it's morning 688 00:33:40,145 --> 00:33:43,398 where you are, but good morning. 689 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,485 Now, the State is making a big deal out of this email 690 00:33:47,527 --> 00:33:49,237 they just read. 691 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,032 Did you know Christopher liked poetry? 692 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,825 - I found out later. 693 00:33:53,867 --> 00:33:57,620 - But you're not surprised by his--his flowery language. 694 00:33:57,662 --> 00:33:58,955 I mean, he sent emails 695 00:33:58,997 --> 00:34:00,373 like that one quite often, didn't he? 696 00:34:00,415 --> 00:34:01,791 - Yes. 697 00:34:01,833 --> 00:34:04,627 - Do you think Dr. Duntsch was a cold-blooded killer? 698 00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:06,212 - No. 699 00:34:06,254 --> 00:34:09,090 - Now, it's no secret that you and Dr. Duntsch 700 00:34:09,132 --> 00:34:11,926 had an intimate relationship. 701 00:34:11,968 --> 00:34:14,012 We know that involves sex, 702 00:34:14,054 --> 00:34:16,139 but was there an emotional element? 703 00:34:16,181 --> 00:34:17,307 - Meaning? 704 00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:19,976 - Well, among the people in his life, 705 00:34:20,018 --> 00:34:22,270 based on everything you saw 706 00:34:22,312 --> 00:34:24,898 working with him day in and day out, 707 00:34:24,939 --> 00:34:26,274 sleeping with him, 708 00:34:26,316 --> 00:34:28,568 you thought you were pretty close? 709 00:34:28,610 --> 00:34:29,736 - I thought so. 710 00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:31,404 - Close enough that perhaps 711 00:34:31,446 --> 00:34:35,200 you didn't allow yourself to see the truth? 712 00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:37,035 - The truth? 713 00:34:37,077 --> 00:34:39,120 - About his abilities. 714 00:34:39,162 --> 00:34:40,747 - I don't understand. 715 00:34:40,789 --> 00:34:43,333 - Was he a good surgeon? 716 00:34:45,251 --> 00:34:47,212 - That's outside my area of expertise. 717 00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:49,464 - You were in his office. You were in the O.R. 718 00:34:49,506 --> 00:34:51,007 You don't have a professional opinion? 719 00:34:51,049 --> 00:34:53,176 - No. 720 00:34:53,218 --> 00:34:55,220 - Okay, well, after Shelley Brennan, 721 00:34:55,261 --> 00:34:57,430 did you ever work with Dr. Duntsch again? 722 00:34:57,472 --> 00:34:58,932 - No. - Why not? 723 00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:03,228 - I didn't wanna be in that environment anymore. 724 00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:05,605 - That environment? What environment? 725 00:35:05,647 --> 00:35:08,108 [uneasy music] 726 00:35:08,149 --> 00:35:10,151 * * 727 00:35:10,193 --> 00:35:14,239 - Unhealthy, you know? 728 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,282 - You mean the environment in which patients 729 00:35:16,324 --> 00:35:17,534 were being maimed and killed? 730 00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:19,703 - Objection. - Sustained. 731 00:35:19,744 --> 00:35:21,329 - Just one more question. 732 00:35:21,371 --> 00:35:23,832 If you believed that Dr. Duntsch 733 00:35:23,873 --> 00:35:26,418 wanted to hurt patients, 734 00:35:26,459 --> 00:35:28,670 you certainly would go and tell somebody about that, 735 00:35:28,712 --> 00:35:31,423 wouldn't you? 736 00:35:35,802 --> 00:35:38,555 - Yes, ma'am. 737 00:35:39,848 --> 00:35:41,599 - Pass the witness. 738 00:35:41,641 --> 00:35:45,979 Stay safe, Ms. Morgan, wherever you've gone. 739 00:35:46,021 --> 00:35:50,734 * * 740 00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:05,373 - How are you feeling? 741 00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:08,543 - If they ask me questions about Duntsch's training, 742 00:36:08,585 --> 00:36:11,755 I can't promise you what I'm going to say. 743 00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,175 - Yeah. 744 00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:19,888 If we can't present our entire case, 745 00:36:19,929 --> 00:36:22,432 the good, bad, everything, 746 00:36:22,474 --> 00:36:25,143 if we can't lay it all out and still win, 747 00:36:25,185 --> 00:36:27,020 then we shouldn't win. 748 00:36:27,062 --> 00:36:28,855 [cell phone buzzes] 749 00:36:28,897 --> 00:36:30,190 - You take that call. 750 00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,650 - Hey, Ma. Hang on a sec. 751 00:36:32,692 --> 00:36:35,195 Dr. Henderson. 752 00:36:35,236 --> 00:36:39,407 If they ask, answer how you want. 753 00:36:41,242 --> 00:36:44,120 - Thank you. 754 00:36:45,622 --> 00:36:48,500 - Yeah, I'm here. 755 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,734 We asked you here to give your opinion 756 00:37:14,776 --> 00:37:17,904 on four different cases the defendant performed. 757 00:37:17,946 --> 00:37:21,574 What surgery did the defendant recommend for Jerry Summers? 758 00:37:21,616 --> 00:37:26,746 - An anterior cervical fusion at C3-4 and C4-5. 759 00:37:26,788 --> 00:37:29,958 - What was the outcome of Mr. Summer's surgery? 760 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,168 - He was rendered a quadriplegic. 761 00:37:34,129 --> 00:37:35,505 - Would you walk us through it? 762 00:37:35,547 --> 00:37:37,215 - There was a lot of bleeding. 763 00:37:37,257 --> 00:37:40,802 - Suction. - Suction. 764 00:37:40,844 --> 00:37:43,555 - Sponge. Give me a sponge. 765 00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:46,307 - How many CCs were lost? 766 00:37:47,934 --> 00:37:52,147 - A typical loss is somewhere between 25 and 200 CCs. 767 00:37:52,188 --> 00:37:55,525 Mr. Summers lost 1,900 CCs. 768 00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:58,903 - What accounts for that amount of blood loss? 769 00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:00,947 - Injuring a major structure. 770 00:38:00,989 --> 00:38:02,407 - Pituitary. 771 00:38:02,449 --> 00:38:05,577 - He removed the disc from C3-4 and C4-5, 772 00:38:05,618 --> 00:38:07,370 as he was supposed to do, 773 00:38:07,412 --> 00:38:09,789 and then he removed a tremendous amount of bone 774 00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:11,833 on the left side. 775 00:38:12,417 --> 00:38:15,086 Over a third of the vertebral body. 776 00:38:15,128 --> 00:38:19,549 And in doing so, he lacerated the vertebral artery. 777 00:38:23,219 --> 00:38:27,307 - The defendant chose to go back in for a second surgery. 778 00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:29,017 What procedure did he perform? 779 00:38:29,059 --> 00:38:30,727 - Double action. 780 00:38:30,769 --> 00:38:34,481 - A laminectomy in order to relieve pressure on the spine. 781 00:38:34,522 --> 00:38:36,566 But by removing excessive bone 782 00:38:36,608 --> 00:38:38,693 from both the front and the back, 783 00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:41,780 you're compromising the entire structure. 784 00:38:41,821 --> 00:38:44,616 - In layman's terms? 785 00:38:44,657 --> 00:38:48,328 - His head was barely attached to his spine. 786 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:51,664 [soft gasps, exhales] 787 00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:53,708 - Let's move on to Shelley Brennan. 788 00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:56,294 The surgery Duntsch recommended, 789 00:38:56,336 --> 00:38:58,713 was that a surgery that would fix her issue? 790 00:38:58,755 --> 00:39:00,090 - Yes. 791 00:39:00,131 --> 00:39:03,093 - What was the outcome of Mrs. Brennan's operation? 792 00:39:03,134 --> 00:39:04,844 - She died. 793 00:39:04,886 --> 00:39:07,389 - Is that normal for this type of procedure? 794 00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:11,351 - Mortalities are less than 1 in 10,000. 795 00:39:11,393 --> 00:39:14,145 The pituitary rongeur went through 796 00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:17,357 the ligament in the front and lacerated the iliac vessels 797 00:39:17,399 --> 00:39:19,567 that lie directly on the side. 798 00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:22,070 - So Mrs. Brennan was bleeding? 799 00:39:22,112 --> 00:39:23,154 - Heavily. 800 00:39:23,196 --> 00:39:24,364 - Would there have been blood 801 00:39:24,406 --> 00:39:26,700 visible in the operative site? 802 00:39:26,741 --> 00:39:28,076 - Sometimes, yes. 803 00:39:28,118 --> 00:39:30,203 It doesn't appear to have been the case here, 804 00:39:30,245 --> 00:39:32,414 but they should have noticed a drop in her blood pressure. 805 00:39:32,455 --> 00:39:37,585 - Should a neurosurgeon know that a drop in blood pressure 806 00:39:37,627 --> 00:39:39,212 means there's a bleed somewhere? 807 00:39:39,254 --> 00:39:44,050 - It's a fundamental rule, but the likelihood of them 808 00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:47,053 being able to address the issue is small. 809 00:39:47,095 --> 00:39:51,266 They'd call in a vascular surgeon for assistance. 810 00:39:51,307 --> 00:39:53,935 - But he didn't do that. 811 00:39:55,937 --> 00:39:58,231 - No. 812 00:39:58,273 --> 00:39:59,733 - Dorothy Burke. 813 00:39:59,774 --> 00:40:02,986 - Mrs. Burke had a previous anterior cervical fusion 814 00:40:03,028 --> 00:40:07,991 at C5-6 and C6-7 that resolved her symptoms for a time, 815 00:40:08,033 --> 00:40:10,577 but she began experiencing neck and shoulder pain 816 00:40:10,618 --> 00:40:13,371 that had nothing to do with her prior surgery. 817 00:40:13,413 --> 00:40:17,042 Dr. Duntsch diagnosed a disc protrusion at C4-5 818 00:40:17,083 --> 00:40:20,712 and a disc extrusion at the C7 T1 level. 819 00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:25,216 He sliced through the vertebral artery again. 820 00:40:25,258 --> 00:40:28,386 [monitor beeping] 821 00:40:31,264 --> 00:40:35,352 - We've been talking a lot about the vertebral artery. 822 00:40:35,393 --> 00:40:37,937 Is it common for it to be hit during surgery? 823 00:40:37,979 --> 00:40:39,397 - Exceptionally rare. 824 00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:40,732 - How many times have you hit it? 825 00:40:40,774 --> 00:40:42,150 - Never. 826 00:40:42,192 --> 00:40:44,736 - And what happened to Mrs. Burke after her surgery? 827 00:40:44,778 --> 00:40:48,448 - Her heart rate elevated. She couldn't open her eyes. 828 00:40:48,490 --> 00:40:51,910 No verbal response to questioning or commands. 829 00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:56,498 - And what does that indicate to anyone in the medical field? 830 00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:58,708 - An impending disaster. 831 00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,086 - What should Mr. Duntsch have done 832 00:41:01,127 --> 00:41:03,880 as soon as he was informed of that information? 833 00:41:03,922 --> 00:41:06,466 - Physically examine the patient. 834 00:41:06,508 --> 00:41:08,760 Order appropriate studies. Scans. 835 00:41:08,802 --> 00:41:11,221 They were ordered by the ICU physician, 836 00:41:11,262 --> 00:41:13,348 which showed she was brain dead. 837 00:41:18,687 --> 00:41:20,814 - Where was Dr. Duntsch? 838 00:41:20,855 --> 00:41:22,732 - He was operating on Madeline Beyer. 839 00:41:22,774 --> 00:41:25,819 - Had the defendant focused on Dorothy Burke 840 00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:29,239 rather than Madeline Beyer, would she still be alive today? 841 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,657 - Based on what I know 842 00:41:30,699 --> 00:41:32,325 of Dr. Duntsch's approach to surgery, 843 00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:35,203 Mrs. Burke was dead the moment she agreed for him to operate. 844 00:41:35,245 --> 00:41:36,496 - Objection. 845 00:41:36,538 --> 00:41:38,581 - Sustained. 846 00:41:40,208 --> 00:41:42,544 - Madeline Beyer? 847 00:41:42,585 --> 00:41:46,715 - Mrs. Beyer is the reason I'm sitting here today. 848 00:41:46,756 --> 00:41:50,135 I--I tried to fix her. 849 00:41:50,176 --> 00:41:53,263 One of the screws was violating the spinal canal, 850 00:41:53,304 --> 00:41:56,349 damaging dura and nerve roots. 851 00:41:56,391 --> 00:41:58,601 - How do you know when you've hit the dura? 852 00:41:58,643 --> 00:42:01,062 - Cerebral spinal fluid leaks out. 853 00:42:01,104 --> 00:42:05,400 I found evidence of three attempted screw placements 854 00:42:05,442 --> 00:42:08,945 on the left side where he put no screws. 855 00:42:10,155 --> 00:42:12,323 The most disturbing part was, 856 00:42:12,365 --> 00:42:15,618 the entire reason he was operating 857 00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:19,080 was to remove the disc, and he didn't touch it. 858 00:42:19,122 --> 00:42:20,707 - What did he take out? 859 00:42:20,749 --> 00:42:24,044 - A large piece of the psoas muscle. 860 00:42:24,085 --> 00:42:26,629 He made a portal through that muscle 861 00:42:26,671 --> 00:42:29,174 and stuffed an implant in there. 862 00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:30,717 - Cage. 863 00:42:30,759 --> 00:42:32,344 - Is a trained neurosurgeon 864 00:42:32,385 --> 00:42:36,514 going to know the difference between bone and muscle? 865 00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:38,141 - Yes. - Mallet. 866 00:42:38,183 --> 00:42:40,060 - Would a trained neurosurgeon know 867 00:42:40,101 --> 00:42:43,021 that by malpositioning the interbody device, 868 00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:45,523 he was reasonably certain to cause her injury? 869 00:42:45,565 --> 00:42:47,067 - Yes. 870 00:42:47,108 --> 00:42:49,277 - Would a trained neurosurgeon have been aware 871 00:42:49,319 --> 00:42:52,113 that if he malpositioned the pedicle screws, 872 00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:53,782 he was reasonably certain 873 00:42:53,823 --> 00:42:55,867 to cause her serious bodily injury? 874 00:42:55,909 --> 00:42:57,243 - Yes. 875 00:42:57,285 --> 00:43:00,163 - Would a trained neurosurgeon have been aware 876 00:43:00,205 --> 00:43:02,499 that if he amputated the nerve root, 877 00:43:02,540 --> 00:43:03,667 he was reasonably certain 878 00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:06,086 to cause her serious bodily injury? 879 00:43:06,127 --> 00:43:07,295 - Yes. 880 00:43:07,337 --> 00:43:09,589 - The way the surgical tools were used 881 00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:11,383 in Madeline Beyer's case, 882 00:43:11,424 --> 00:43:13,426 do you think they were used in a manner 883 00:43:13,468 --> 00:43:17,639 that was capable of causing death or serious bodily injury? 884 00:43:21,434 --> 00:43:23,770 - Yes. 885 00:43:23,812 --> 00:43:26,815 - We pass the witness. 886 00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:33,571 - Dr. Henderson, Ms. Shughart made 887 00:43:33,613 --> 00:43:38,034 quite the point that a trained neurosurgeon 888 00:43:38,076 --> 00:43:40,912 should have done this or done that. 889 00:43:40,954 --> 00:43:44,457 You're aware Christopher has both an MD and a PhD 890 00:43:44,499 --> 00:43:46,459 from the University of Tennessee. 891 00:43:46,501 --> 00:43:47,877 - I am. 892 00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:51,423 - UT isn't some fly-by-night medical school. 893 00:43:51,464 --> 00:43:52,799 It's not like one of those in-- 894 00:43:52,841 --> 00:43:55,301 in Guadalajara or Granada, is it? 895 00:43:55,343 --> 00:43:57,595 - No, it's in Memphis. 896 00:43:57,637 --> 00:44:00,640 - Do you know Dr. Geoffrey Skadden? 897 00:44:00,682 --> 00:44:02,183 Does he have a good reputation? 898 00:44:02,225 --> 00:44:04,019 - I do, and he does. 899 00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:05,812 - And what was he responsible for 900 00:44:05,854 --> 00:44:07,897 in Christopher Duntsch's training? 901 00:44:07,939 --> 00:44:11,609 - After Dr. Duntsch finished his residency at UT, 902 00:44:11,651 --> 00:44:14,487 he came under the tutelage of Dr. Skadden 903 00:44:14,529 --> 00:44:15,822 for a fellowship training 904 00:44:15,864 --> 00:44:18,158 in minimally invasive spine surgery. 905 00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,618 - Were you familiar with the fact that Dr. Duntsch 906 00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,371 was doing medical cancer research on the side 907 00:44:23,413 --> 00:44:26,416 and that Dr. Skadden was involved in that research? 908 00:44:26,458 --> 00:44:27,917 - I wasn't at the time, no. 909 00:44:27,959 --> 00:44:31,504 - Should any doctor under any circumstances 910 00:44:31,546 --> 00:44:36,051 have their surgical training hours disrupted by research? 911 00:44:36,092 --> 00:44:37,177 - Absolutely not. 912 00:44:37,218 --> 00:44:40,430 - So a neurosurgical resident or fellow 913 00:44:40,472 --> 00:44:42,557 can't just skip those hours. 914 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:45,268 The supervisor has to sign off, no matter the excuse. 915 00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:46,811 - Correct. 916 00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,314 - Do the doctors in charge of the program have to sign off 917 00:44:49,356 --> 00:44:51,483 that they're qualified to go and operate? 918 00:44:51,524 --> 00:44:52,692 - Yes. 919 00:44:52,734 --> 00:44:54,486 - Did Dr. Skadden write letters 920 00:44:54,527 --> 00:44:56,821 of recommendation for Dr. Duntsch? 921 00:44:56,863 --> 00:44:58,365 - Yes, he stated Dr. Duntsch 922 00:44:58,406 --> 00:45:02,369 was a satisfactory surgeon in his fellowship. 923 00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:05,372 - Well, had Dr. Skadden heard what was happening in Texas? 924 00:45:05,413 --> 00:45:07,123 - Yes, because he had mentioned 925 00:45:07,165 --> 00:45:09,584 poor outcomes at Baylor when filling out 926 00:45:09,626 --> 00:45:11,544 a credentialing form at Forest Park. 927 00:45:11,586 --> 00:45:14,673 - Do you have any idea why he wouldn't have explicitly told 928 00:45:14,714 --> 00:45:17,384 these hospitals not to hire Dr. Duntsch? 929 00:45:17,425 --> 00:45:20,178 - Dr. Skadden said that he had to write recommendations 930 00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:23,056 based on what he'd witnessed in his program. 931 00:45:23,098 --> 00:45:25,934 He couldn't speak to whatever was happening in Texas. 932 00:45:25,975 --> 00:45:28,269 He didn't write any more recommendations for Mr. Duntsch 933 00:45:28,311 --> 00:45:29,854 after we spoke. 934 00:45:29,896 --> 00:45:32,482 - Has there ever been an instance 935 00:45:32,524 --> 00:45:37,112 in which a doctor was sued for not writing a recommendation? 936 00:45:37,153 --> 00:45:39,364 - Yes. 937 00:45:39,406 --> 00:45:41,574 - Well, that's frightening, is it not? 938 00:45:41,616 --> 00:45:43,576 - It is to me. 939 00:45:43,618 --> 00:45:46,079 - So Skadden had to sign off on him, 940 00:45:46,121 --> 00:45:48,415 or he wouldn't have been able to get their credentials? 941 00:45:48,456 --> 00:45:49,624 - Correct. 942 00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:50,792 - I mean, Baylor wouldn't let 943 00:45:50,834 --> 00:45:52,419 somebody just walk in off the street, 944 00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:53,837 start doing neurosurgery. 945 00:45:53,878 --> 00:45:55,880 - I also assumed they would have reported 946 00:45:55,922 --> 00:45:58,550 the outcomes of his surgeries to the authorities. 947 00:45:58,591 --> 00:46:00,093 - As a matter of fact, 948 00:46:00,135 --> 00:46:04,597 they didn't say anything negative to anybody. 949 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:09,269 Neurosurgery is a big moneymaker. 950 00:46:09,310 --> 00:46:11,980 Do you think the corporate level of the hospital 951 00:46:12,022 --> 00:46:14,733 was more interested in making money 952 00:46:14,774 --> 00:46:16,985 than in protecting their patients? 953 00:46:22,407 --> 00:46:24,451 [soft dramatic music] 954 00:46:24,492 --> 00:46:26,619 * * 955 00:46:26,661 --> 00:46:29,039 - [sighs] Yes, I do. 956 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,500 I think everyone was more interested in making money 957 00:46:32,542 --> 00:46:34,252 and protecting themselves 958 00:46:34,294 --> 00:46:37,797 rather than protecting their patients. 959 00:46:41,718 --> 00:46:44,763 - Thank you for the truth, Dr. Henderson. 960 00:46:44,804 --> 00:46:47,098 No more questions. 961 00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:50,310 - I'd like to add something. 962 00:46:50,352 --> 00:46:52,437 - Redirect. 963 00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:55,982 Anything you'd like to add? 964 00:46:56,024 --> 00:46:59,444 - Everyone knows the first tenet 965 00:46:59,486 --> 00:47:02,989 of the Hippocratic Oath, "First, do no harm". 966 00:47:04,032 --> 00:47:06,951 But there are others. 967 00:47:06,993 --> 00:47:10,288 "I will respect the hard-won scientific gains 968 00:47:10,330 --> 00:47:14,542 of the physicians in whose steps I've walked." 969 00:47:14,584 --> 00:47:16,044 He did not. 970 00:47:16,086 --> 00:47:18,630 "I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, 971 00:47:18,672 --> 00:47:20,757 "all majors which are required, 972 00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:24,552 "avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment 973 00:47:24,594 --> 00:47:26,513 and therapeutic nihilism." 974 00:47:26,554 --> 00:47:28,306 He did not. 975 00:47:28,348 --> 00:47:31,059 "I will not be ashamed to say I know not, 976 00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:33,728 "nor will I fail to call them my colleagues 977 00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:36,106 "when the skills of another are needed 978 00:47:36,147 --> 00:47:39,693 for a patient's recovery." 979 00:47:39,734 --> 00:47:42,862 He did not. 980 00:47:42,904 --> 00:47:47,742 Had I performed any of the 33 surgeries 981 00:47:47,784 --> 00:47:49,619 in the manner that he performed them, 982 00:47:49,661 --> 00:47:51,705 I never would have allowed myself 983 00:47:51,746 --> 00:47:56,167 into an operating room again. 984 00:47:56,209 --> 00:47:59,963 Any one of them. 985 00:48:00,005 --> 00:48:03,258 Not ever again. 986 00:48:03,299 --> 00:48:10,265 * * 987 00:48:17,981 --> 00:48:19,274 - The State flooded you 988 00:48:19,315 --> 00:48:21,359 with every possible patient they could, 989 00:48:21,401 --> 00:48:25,113 but Madeline Beyer's case is the case the State chose 990 00:48:25,155 --> 00:48:28,199 to go to trial on, so let's focus there. 991 00:48:28,241 --> 00:48:31,244 Now, according to the state, Dr. Duntsch didn't head 992 00:48:31,286 --> 00:48:34,456 into Madeline Beyer's surgery to fix her-- 993 00:48:34,497 --> 00:48:36,332 he wanted to hurt her-- 994 00:48:36,374 --> 00:48:38,960 but that's not what the evidence shows. 995 00:48:39,002 --> 00:48:44,674 The evidence shows he was a suboptimal surgeon. 996 00:48:45,258 --> 00:48:47,510 Now, are we trying to blame the hospitals? 997 00:48:47,552 --> 00:48:48,762 No. 998 00:48:48,803 --> 00:48:50,305 Are we trying to blame Dr. Skadden? 999 00:48:50,347 --> 00:48:52,932 No, but the State asked time and time again, 1000 00:48:52,974 --> 00:48:57,062 what would a well-trained surgeon do? 1001 00:48:57,103 --> 00:48:59,064 I mean, what did Dr. Henderson tell you? 1002 00:48:59,105 --> 00:49:01,900 He got on the phone, called Skadden, and said, 1003 00:49:01,941 --> 00:49:03,443 "Hey, we got this guy here. 1004 00:49:03,485 --> 00:49:06,404 "It says he graduated from your medical school, 1005 00:49:06,446 --> 00:49:07,864 "went to your fellowship, 1006 00:49:07,906 --> 00:49:10,408 and I need you to stop recommending him." 1007 00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:15,121 And Skadden replied, "Yes, he did train at my fellowship. 1008 00:49:15,163 --> 00:49:18,041 But I don't know what to do." 1009 00:49:18,083 --> 00:49:20,335 Because Skadden has figured out, 1010 00:49:20,377 --> 00:49:23,588 "I screwed up. I let him out." 1011 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:25,215 I mean, Jerry Summers told you, 1012 00:49:25,256 --> 00:49:30,220 he let him out of surgeries in order to do research. 1013 00:49:30,261 --> 00:49:33,807 Now, you don't get to punish Dr. Skadden. 1014 00:49:33,848 --> 00:49:35,934 You don't get to punish Baylor. 1015 00:49:35,975 --> 00:49:38,019 You don't get to punish Dallas Medical, 1016 00:49:38,061 --> 00:49:41,439 but you have the right to know what they didn't do. 1017 00:49:41,481 --> 00:49:44,526 They didn't report him. 1018 00:49:44,567 --> 00:49:46,277 They didn't challenge him. 1019 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,446 They didn't tell him that he was 1020 00:49:48,488 --> 00:49:53,451 a suboptimal surgeon who needs to find other work. 1021 00:49:53,493 --> 00:49:56,454 If you're a teacher and the children don't do well, 1022 00:49:56,496 --> 00:50:00,417 your principal tells you you're a suboptimal teacher. 1023 00:50:00,458 --> 00:50:02,085 If you're a mechanic 1024 00:50:02,127 --> 00:50:04,379 and the cars you're working on keep breaking down, 1025 00:50:04,421 --> 00:50:07,257 you're told you're a suboptimal mechanic. 1026 00:50:07,298 --> 00:50:11,553 If you're a pilot and you can't land, 1027 00:50:11,594 --> 00:50:15,140 well, you're told you can't do this anymore. 1028 00:50:15,181 --> 00:50:17,976 Well, Baylor does the opposite. 1029 00:50:18,018 --> 00:50:21,062 They allow him to resign. 1030 00:50:21,104 --> 00:50:22,897 And then they send a clearing letter 1031 00:50:22,939 --> 00:50:24,024 to Dallas Medical, 1032 00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:26,443 who hires him and then watches 1033 00:50:26,484 --> 00:50:29,571 as three surgeries in as many days go bad. 1034 00:50:29,612 --> 00:50:31,489 And what do they do? 1035 00:50:31,531 --> 00:50:34,200 Nothing. 1036 00:50:34,242 --> 00:50:35,910 They don't report him 1037 00:50:35,952 --> 00:50:38,621 to the National Practitioner's Data Bank 1038 00:50:38,663 --> 00:50:40,373 or the Texas Medical Board. 1039 00:50:40,415 --> 00:50:46,921 They allow this poorly-trained suboptimal surgeon to move on. 1040 00:50:49,174 --> 00:50:53,178 The system broke down from the very beginning. 1041 00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:57,057 Now, I don't envy your jobs. 1042 00:50:57,098 --> 00:50:59,100 Both sides have their own perceptions 1043 00:50:59,142 --> 00:51:01,186 of--of what happened, 1044 00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:05,023 but you're the sole judges of the facts. 1045 00:51:05,065 --> 00:51:07,859 Render your verdict according to the law, 1046 00:51:07,901 --> 00:51:09,444 not according to emotions 1047 00:51:09,486 --> 00:51:12,280 or sympathies or sending a message. 1048 00:51:12,322 --> 00:51:14,991 It's about whether or not the State has proven to you 1049 00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:18,078 that a crime was committed. 1050 00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,164 It was a failure. 1051 00:51:22,332 --> 00:51:25,710 It was a human failure, 1052 00:51:25,752 --> 00:51:31,633 a systemic failure, 1053 00:51:31,675 --> 00:51:34,344 but it wasn't a crime. 1054 00:51:35,762 --> 00:51:38,807 - On July 25th, 2012, 1055 00:51:38,848 --> 00:51:42,560 Christopher Duntsch went into surgery with Madeline Beyer, 1056 00:51:42,602 --> 00:51:44,062 an elderly individual. 1057 00:51:44,104 --> 00:51:46,648 He crippled her. 1058 00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:50,527 Pedicle screws, drilled and redrilled. 1059 00:51:50,568 --> 00:51:54,948 Nerves shredded. Leaking dural sacs. 1060 00:51:54,989 --> 00:51:57,575 Muscles hacked into. 1061 00:51:57,617 --> 00:52:00,036 These things happened. 1062 00:52:00,078 --> 00:52:03,540 But was it intentional? 1063 00:52:03,581 --> 00:52:06,710 How do you know what he intended? 1064 00:52:06,751 --> 00:52:12,382 You look at what he does before, during, and after. 1065 00:52:12,424 --> 00:52:15,969 He lied, about "this is normal pain." 1066 00:52:16,011 --> 00:52:18,096 "This is something new. 1067 00:52:18,138 --> 00:52:20,348 "I didn't do this to you. 1068 00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:22,726 "It's simply swelling, Jerry. 1069 00:52:22,767 --> 00:52:25,228 "Surgery went fine, Madeline. 1070 00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:27,480 "It's the surgical team's fault. 1071 00:52:27,522 --> 00:52:32,068 Your wives are dead, Earl, Harold." 1072 00:52:34,821 --> 00:52:37,365 Look at them. 1073 00:52:37,407 --> 00:52:42,370 Look at the faces of the lives that were ruined. 1074 00:52:42,412 --> 00:52:45,248 We didn't bring them to you to have you convict him 1075 00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:47,459 based on sympathy. 1076 00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:50,295 We bring them to you so that you can know 1077 00:52:50,337 --> 00:52:53,882 everything the defendant knew. 1078 00:52:53,923 --> 00:52:56,301 How many patients should it take 1079 00:52:56,343 --> 00:53:00,555 before you know that what you're doing is hurting people? 1080 00:53:01,806 --> 00:53:08,563 One, two, three? 1081 00:53:09,064 --> 00:53:12,609 You make your best friend a quadriplegic? 1082 00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:17,655 Four, you kill? Five, you kill? 1083 00:53:17,697 --> 00:53:19,824 Should I list all 33? 1084 00:53:19,866 --> 00:53:23,244 I want to call them tragedies, 1085 00:53:23,286 --> 00:53:27,832 but that implies no one could have seen them coming. 1086 00:53:27,874 --> 00:53:30,794 These were assaults. 1087 00:53:30,835 --> 00:53:34,673 We're here talking about Madeline Beyer. 1088 00:53:34,714 --> 00:53:38,468 I know you don't have a doubt that when Christopher Duntsch 1089 00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:40,387 went into Madeline Beyer's surgery, 1090 00:53:40,428 --> 00:53:45,141 he was reasonably certain he was going to hurt her. 1091 00:53:45,183 --> 00:53:47,143 That's the standard of knowing. 1092 00:53:47,185 --> 00:53:50,438 Not that you know 100%, 1093 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,608 but that you're reasonably certain. 1094 00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:57,946 The defense is implying it was his training. 1095 00:53:57,987 --> 00:54:00,448 He was trained for 17 years 1096 00:54:00,490 --> 00:54:03,284 prior to operating on Mrs. Beyer. 1097 00:54:03,326 --> 00:54:05,412 Trained at the University of Tennessee. 1098 00:54:05,453 --> 00:54:07,747 Trained at Semmes-Murphey. 1099 00:54:07,789 --> 00:54:09,708 Institutions with doctors 1100 00:54:09,749 --> 00:54:12,669 who would not put their reputations on the line 1101 00:54:12,711 --> 00:54:16,798 by recommending a poorly trained surgeon. 1102 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,676 [soft dramatic music] 1103 00:54:19,718 --> 00:54:24,264 Don't blame his training. Blame him. 1104 00:54:24,305 --> 00:54:28,143 Don't blame the system. Blame him. 1105 00:54:28,184 --> 00:54:32,522 He went into all those operations. 1106 00:54:32,564 --> 00:54:36,609 He put the scalpels to those patients' backs. 1107 00:54:36,651 --> 00:54:40,613 He kept going. 1108 00:54:40,655 --> 00:54:44,117 All these people. 1109 00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:47,537 If you're a human who values life, 1110 00:54:47,579 --> 00:54:51,124 who understands suffering... 1111 00:54:51,166 --> 00:54:53,626 You heard Dr. Henderson. 1112 00:54:53,668 --> 00:54:56,755 One botched surgery, just one, 1113 00:54:56,796 --> 00:55:01,634 and he never would have entered the operating room ever again. 1114 00:55:02,469 --> 00:55:05,597 If you don't stop him, 1115 00:55:05,638 --> 00:55:10,018 Christopher Duntsch will leave this courthouse, 1116 00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:13,438 leave this city, this state, 1117 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,775 maybe even this country, 1118 00:55:16,816 --> 00:55:19,652 and he will find a corner of the world 1119 00:55:19,694 --> 00:55:24,574 that allows him to continue hurting people. 1120 00:55:27,118 --> 00:55:32,082 Only you can tell him no more. 1121 00:55:32,123 --> 00:55:38,380 * * 1122 00:55:39,297 --> 00:55:41,174 - They don't understand. 1123 00:55:42,842 --> 00:55:46,137 All I wanna do is go back to my research. 1124 00:55:46,179 --> 00:55:47,847 You gotta tell 'em, Dad. 1125 00:55:47,889 --> 00:55:51,267 I will never practice surgery again. 1126 00:55:51,309 --> 00:55:54,020 If they let me, I can still do good. 1127 00:55:54,062 --> 00:55:55,271 I can still help. 1128 00:55:55,313 --> 00:55:58,108 - Just stop, okay? 1129 00:55:58,149 --> 00:55:59,859 It's time to stop. 1130 00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:03,571 [sighs] 1131 00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:11,413 We had these hardwood floors when you were little. 1132 00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,709 Active, always active. 1133 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:18,336 So energetic. 1134 00:56:18,378 --> 00:56:20,714 You were so strong. 1135 00:56:20,755 --> 00:56:24,426 You would push the furniture around across these floors. 1136 00:56:26,094 --> 00:56:29,389 You never played with toys. It was always the furniture. 1137 00:56:30,598 --> 00:56:32,684 And how many times did I ask you 1138 00:56:32,726 --> 00:56:36,479 to stop it with the furniture? 1139 00:56:36,521 --> 00:56:38,773 But you wouldn't stop. 1140 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,902 You wouldn't stop. 1141 00:56:45,989 --> 00:56:50,869 Maybe jail's the best thing for you, my boy. 1142 00:56:57,792 --> 00:57:00,754 - You were less dull than I thought you'd be. 1143 00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:05,050 - You're too kind, Randy. 1144 00:57:05,091 --> 00:57:09,346 - Probably blown the whole case, but nice job. 1145 00:57:12,932 --> 00:57:17,687 - We could have done more. We should have done it more. 1146 00:57:17,729 --> 00:57:20,607 This is gonna happen again, you know. 1147 00:57:20,648 --> 00:57:23,401 - Suppose we could do something. 1148 00:57:23,443 --> 00:57:26,488 - I suppose we should. 1149 00:57:26,529 --> 00:57:28,490 - Jury's back. 1150 00:57:28,531 --> 00:57:31,159 - All right, well, we got time for some hoops. 1151 00:57:31,201 --> 00:57:33,828 - I wish. - [chuckles] 1152 00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:37,582 - We gonna win? 1153 00:57:39,292 --> 00:57:42,253 [dramatic music] 1154 00:57:42,295 --> 00:57:45,465 - I don't know. 1155 00:57:46,966 --> 00:57:49,427 - [sighs] 1156 00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:54,808 - I'm sorry. 1157 00:57:54,849 --> 00:57:57,894 - You did great. 1158 00:57:57,936 --> 00:58:04,859 * * 1159 00:58:36,850 --> 00:58:38,059 - [exhales] 1160 00:58:44,941 --> 00:58:51,865 * * 1161 00:59:21,227 --> 00:59:28,401 * * 1162 00:59:58,264 --> 01:00:05,438 * * 1163 01:00:35,301 --> 01:00:42,475 * * 1164 01:01:12,339 --> 01:01:19,512 * * 85350

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