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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,970 --> 00:00:51,510 Drop 151 (Nov 14 2017) 2 00:00:51,630 --> 00:00:56,510 How do you capture a very dangerous animal? 3 00:00:57,100 --> 00:01:02,480 Do you attack it from the front? 4 00:01:03,060 --> 00:01:06,900 Do you walk through the front door? 5 00:01:07,730 --> 00:01:12,280 Why did POTUS depart Manila 30 min ahead of schedule? 6 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:17,200 Nothing is as it appears... 7 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:31,170 NOVEMBER 29th, 2018 8 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:35,180 On my way to Manila, I had a layover in Hong Kong. 9 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:37,890 The view from my window was not all that different 10 00:01:37,970 --> 00:01:40,770 from the one in Drop 130. 11 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,980 At this point, Q had been posting for just over a year. 12 00:01:55,950 --> 00:01:58,030 MANILA, PHILIPPINES 13 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,410 Manila was home to the team behind 8chan, 14 00:02:00,490 --> 00:02:02,660 the site where Q posts. 15 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:05,880 And I was planning to meet with the site's creator, Fred Brennan, 16 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,710 for the first time in person. 17 00:02:08,790 --> 00:02:10,840 I had noticed that social media platforms 18 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:14,800 were increasingly restricting certain types of speech online, 19 00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:17,970 and I was curious to what extent Q and 8chan, 20 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:22,640 a site that was unapologetic about allowing almost any type of speech, 21 00:02:22,730 --> 00:02:25,730 played a role in that debate. 22 00:02:25,810 --> 00:02:28,730 I assumed that's why they agreed to meet with me. 23 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,740 It was really a dice roll whether or not this trip was going to pay off. 24 00:02:34,820 --> 00:02:38,910 Fred hadn't provided an address or even an exact time to meet up, 25 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:41,870 but the morning we were supposed to film together, 26 00:02:41,950 --> 00:02:44,120 Fred dropped his coordinates. 27 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:51,960 From the beginning, Fred was surprised by how minimalistic my setup was. 28 00:02:52,050 --> 00:02:55,760 Just me and a film school grad I had hired locally. 29 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,140 He lived in a high rise gated community, 30 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:01,220 and despite all the cloak and dagger... 31 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:02,430 This way. 32 00:03:02,510 --> 00:03:04,060 ...Fred said that he was moving soon. 33 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:06,890 So, it was okay to film the grounds. 34 00:03:08,060 --> 00:03:11,900 Fred had spent years cultivating some of the wildest content 35 00:03:11,980 --> 00:03:14,530 the Internet had to offer. 36 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:16,360 I couldn't help but wonder, 37 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:19,870 had he also played a role in shaping Q. 38 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:21,720 Q: INTO THE STORM 39 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,060 Para sa akin cheese hamburgers siempre. 40 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:33,770 Then one extra rice box? 41 00:04:33,860 --> 00:04:37,030 - My chicken nuggets sa table. - Yes. 42 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:38,150 I don't know if anybody wants it, 43 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,570 but if you're still hungry, you can eat it. 44 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,870 You'd be surprised how many people come all this way to see me. 45 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,540 They just want to meet me. 46 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:54,130 The image in their heads does not match my reality. 47 00:04:54,210 --> 00:04:56,880 They think that I'm, like, this amazing guy 48 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,590 that made this amazing website and I changed the world. 49 00:05:00,670 --> 00:05:03,260 And I see myself as somebody 50 00:05:03,340 --> 00:05:06,560 who was in the right place at the right time. Yeah. 51 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,180 I think most of them go away disappointed 52 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:15,520 but at least they get to eat curry rice during their disappointment. 53 00:05:18,070 --> 00:05:21,990 I grew up with just unfettered access to the Internet. 54 00:05:22,110 --> 00:05:25,570 And, I grew up also disabled. 55 00:05:25,660 --> 00:05:30,540 So, I couldn't go run outside and play with the neighborhood kids. 56 00:05:30,620 --> 00:05:33,080 So, throughout my life, 57 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:36,080 almost all of my friends have been online friends. 58 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:39,800 Like, since the beginning. Ready? 59 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,340 I have osteogenesis imperfecta. 60 00:05:42,470 --> 00:05:48,720 It's caused by a single mutation in a gene that makes collagen. 61 00:05:48,810 --> 00:05:51,350 So, the bones don't form correctly. 62 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,140 So they become really brittle like glass. 63 00:05:55,730 --> 00:05:59,360 I was always very self conscious about my disability. 64 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,530 I fought a lot with both my parents about why did you have kids. 65 00:06:03,610 --> 00:06:06,370 You knew this would happen. You received genetic counseling. 66 00:06:06,450 --> 00:06:07,660 What's wrong with you? 67 00:06:07,740 --> 00:06:10,240 And it caused a lot of teenage angst also. 68 00:06:13,250 --> 00:06:17,170 My challenges around mobility did make me more intellectually curious 69 00:06:17,290 --> 00:06:22,340 because there wasn't a whole lot else that I could do. 70 00:06:22,420 --> 00:06:24,590 The Internet leveled the playing field, 71 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,970 so Fred spent almost all of his time online, 72 00:06:28,050 --> 00:06:31,350 which meant his digital self matured at a rapid pace. 73 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:33,730 So much so that by the age of 12, 74 00:06:33,850 --> 00:06:36,900 he had already stumbled across some of the most shocking content 75 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:39,190 that the Internet had to offer. 76 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:41,440 When I first found 4chan, 77 00:06:41,530 --> 00:06:43,900 I just saw what a lot of people are saying. 78 00:06:43,990 --> 00:06:47,660 And I felt I finally had discovered what people were really thinking. 79 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:52,660 Saying things like gas all the crippled people, 80 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:55,830 I hate downies, throw them off a bridge. 81 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,090 I felt like I was seeing a window into people's hidden thoughts 82 00:07:01,170 --> 00:07:04,970 that they weren't saying because it wasn't socially acceptable. 83 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:07,880 But this is what everybody's really thinking. 84 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,680 When they look at me, wow, look at this crippled retard. 85 00:07:18,810 --> 00:07:21,230 As a child, I was very impressionable 86 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:24,440 and I just felt, like, wow, 87 00:07:24,530 --> 00:07:27,990 I've been lied to my whole life by people who are telling me, 88 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:30,410 oh, it's good to be different. 89 00:07:32,530 --> 00:07:36,040 I figured, like, because the site just seemed so active, 90 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,040 you say, wow, this is a huge number of people 91 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,040 that are just speaking the truth, or what I thought was the truth. 92 00:07:44,380 --> 00:07:50,140 So, I feel like the Internet changed my perspective of the world a lot. 93 00:07:50,430 --> 00:07:52,600 Don't smoke kids, or else you'll become like me. 94 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,980 I'm almost the dead baby. Like, I'm one step after the dead baby. 95 00:07:57,060 --> 00:08:01,860 When Fred was 19, he became the admin of a site called Wizardchan. 96 00:08:01,940 --> 00:08:04,480 The forum was a home for male incels. 97 00:08:04,570 --> 00:08:07,280 That is, virgins who think they'll never have sex 98 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,990 and just generally hate women because of that. 99 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:13,200 But after Fred did some drugs and slept with a prostitute 100 00:08:13,330 --> 00:08:15,700 who had, well, two fetishes... 101 00:08:15,790 --> 00:08:20,830 She had a fetish for male virgins, and disabled people. 102 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,750 So, I was both. 103 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,960 Fred was no longer a virgin. 104 00:08:26,090 --> 00:08:29,300 So, he resigned as admin of Wizardchan. 105 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:34,350 While on his digital walk of shame, 106 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:37,890 Fred began to look for a new edge to lord over. 107 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,520 He was still an active user on 4chan, 108 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,020 but he couldn't create a board without approval from the site's owner. 109 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:47,900 Meanwhile, Reddit, its more mainstream competitor, 110 00:08:47,980 --> 00:08:52,320 allowed anyone to create boards but wasn't anonymous. 111 00:08:52,410 --> 00:08:54,620 I was just thinking, wow, wouldn't it be amazing 112 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:56,790 if Reddit and 4chan had a baby, 113 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,040 and everyone could make their own board. 114 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,290 So he merged Reddit's democratized board creation 115 00:09:02,370 --> 00:09:07,710 with 4chan's anonymous posting, and presto, 8chan was born. 116 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:13,220 Now anyone could create a board and posts could be totally anonymous. 117 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:22,140 When I wrote 8chan originally in 2013, 118 00:09:22,230 --> 00:09:24,900 I wasn't really planning for success. 119 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:26,480 I wrote the first part of it 120 00:09:26,610 --> 00:09:30,240 while I was coming off of psychedelic mushrooms. 121 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,860 Like, you know, they call it the come down, I think. 122 00:09:34,410 --> 00:09:38,660 It wasn't meant to scale from 100 posts per day 123 00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:42,460 to, like, 10,000 posts per hour. 124 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:46,880 This free speech maximalist approach had given Fred an edge. 125 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,340 But he now had a serious moderation problem 126 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:54,130 because illegal content like child porn would get shared as well. 127 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:57,180 I had no idea that the hosting was going to be so hard. 128 00:09:57,260 --> 00:10:00,140 I had no idea how my payment processing worked. 129 00:10:00,220 --> 00:10:06,150 I was just on the "hopium" of free speech and all that. 130 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:10,730 Fred created 8chan in 2013. He was 19-years-old. 131 00:10:10,820 --> 00:10:14,860 But with a mass influx of users, Fred needed help. 132 00:10:14,950 --> 00:10:17,280 It seemed he also wanted to find a partner 133 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:20,740 who would let him continue to run the site as its admin. 134 00:10:20,830 --> 00:10:23,250 I started to get lots of emails from people 135 00:10:23,330 --> 00:10:27,130 that were interested in running 8chan on their own. 136 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:33,840 Of all the offers I received, I chose, Jim Watkins and his son, Ron, 137 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,050 because I felt they had the most experience with this. 138 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:41,510 I would say, overall, Jim is a good owner for 8chan. 139 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,690 I would say that Jim is not tech savvy at all. 140 00:10:48,770 --> 00:10:51,520 Jim is much more the business brain, 141 00:10:51,610 --> 00:10:55,650 and Ron is much more of a technical brain. 142 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:59,740 I would describe Ron as a tech bro, pretty much. 143 00:10:59,820 --> 00:11:02,410 He's a talented programmer also. 144 00:11:02,490 --> 00:11:05,370 In some ways, more talented than I am. 145 00:11:05,460 --> 00:11:07,790 Jim Watkins is an American businessman 146 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:09,750 operating out of the Philippines. 147 00:11:09,830 --> 00:11:12,590 Jim served in East Asia while he was in the Army, 148 00:11:12,670 --> 00:11:15,220 and found a dollar went a long way. 149 00:11:15,340 --> 00:11:16,970 He offered for Fred to come join them 150 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:18,970 along with a handful of perks. 151 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:23,470 So, it was a no-brainer for me to sell 8chan to them 152 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,600 and move to the Philippines. 153 00:11:30,810 --> 00:11:33,940 Like, they offered me a condo with the rent paid. 154 00:11:34,030 --> 00:11:35,490 When's the last time you went swimming? 155 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:38,030 - Eight years ago. I was 12. - Wow. 156 00:11:38,110 --> 00:11:40,070 And then a caregiver also. 157 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,990 Let go. It's okay. We know CPR. 158 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,830 Fred had even found a fiance in the Philippines. 159 00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:49,370 He now had plans to get married in just a few months. 160 00:11:49,460 --> 00:11:53,210 So, working with Jim Watkins helped him support this new life. 161 00:11:53,290 --> 00:11:59,680 They kept me on as an employee now, being the administrator, not the owner. 162 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,340 As the administrator, 163 00:12:01,430 --> 00:12:05,310 Fred had to deal with all kinds of in fighting and drama on the boards. 164 00:12:05,390 --> 00:12:08,980 Not to mention, the site itself operated at a loss. 165 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:12,610 It seems most advertisers didn't want to touch it. 166 00:12:12,690 --> 00:12:16,690 Being 8chan's admin was really difficult. 167 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,570 It was really arduous work. 168 00:12:21,450 --> 00:12:27,830 And then, I decided to quit from being administrator in 2016, April. 169 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:31,960 Fred stepped out as 8chan's admin, 170 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,210 but he continued to work for Jim Watkins 171 00:12:34,290 --> 00:12:37,000 on other Internet projects that they owned. 172 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:39,920 I don't believe 8chan can ever be profitable. 173 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:42,720 What's the point of running it then? 174 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,010 You know how some rich men will have a yacht, like a big boat? 175 00:12:47,140 --> 00:12:50,140 So, that boat is not generating any income. 176 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:52,900 It's a liability, it's not an asset. 177 00:12:52,980 --> 00:12:57,400 So, I was told to just think of 8chan as a boat. 178 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,240 I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat. 179 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,070 Everybody look at me 'cause I'm sailing on a boat. 180 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,330 - It's a fun toy for Jim. - It's a boat. 181 00:13:07,410 --> 00:13:10,040 It's a boat, yes. The SS 8chan. 182 00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:15,420 Come on, baby. 183 00:13:19,210 --> 00:13:23,550 That one is Jim's house. He might get upset, 184 00:13:23,630 --> 00:13:26,050 so we'll go around the corner, okay? 185 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,180 Man, they have a lot of cars. 186 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:35,400 Yeah. I don't want to say something that's going to get me in trouble. 187 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,860 So, let me just say nothing. 188 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,650 I don't want to say the words financial insolvency. 189 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,370 But, maybe he has guests. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. 190 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:54,580 When I asked him about Jim, Fred was hesitant. 191 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:56,880 I really like working for him, he's a great boss. 192 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:02,220 But, yeah, I mean, I have to be careful what I say. 193 00:14:03,340 --> 00:14:07,140 It was the first time I noticed Fred holding his tongue. 194 00:14:07,220 --> 00:14:10,510 In theory I am supposed to meet with Jim tomorrow to film. 195 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,060 Wow. 196 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:16,980 I really can't wait to see your documentary. 197 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:20,020 - Now that you got Jim in it. - Okay. 198 00:14:21,530 --> 00:14:23,820 So this is speculation, 199 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:26,990 but I think he's worried about what I'm going to say. 200 00:14:27,070 --> 00:14:30,160 So, he wants to have a counter to what I'm saying. 201 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,750 I don't think I'm saying anything really bad. 202 00:14:32,830 --> 00:14:36,620 But, he might be worried about it, so he just wants to make sure 203 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:39,210 his side gets in if you're already here. 204 00:14:46,220 --> 00:14:50,640 At this point, Jim Watkins was relatively unknown. 205 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,100 It seemed that no one had even considered he might possibly be Q. 206 00:14:55,230 --> 00:14:59,400 He owned 8chan and he's self-described as an industrialist. 207 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,570 Lights off. 208 00:15:01,690 --> 00:15:04,320 So, why did you seek out 8chan? 209 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,160 I didn't seek out 8chan. 8chan is an accident. 210 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,660 My son said, this guy needs some help with 8chan. 211 00:15:14,750 --> 00:15:17,210 He can't afford the servers 212 00:15:17,290 --> 00:15:20,840 and said, can we put this in our data center. And I said, okay. 213 00:15:22,630 --> 00:15:25,170 You say, you own 8chan. No, 8chan owns me. 214 00:15:25,260 --> 00:15:27,590 It costs a lot of money to run it. 215 00:15:29,050 --> 00:15:32,100 I don't get much for it either. 216 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,270 They kind of tricked me into it, and then now I have it. 217 00:15:37,350 --> 00:15:40,270 I can't get rid of it because it's important. 218 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,480 Jim seemed nervous. 219 00:15:43,570 --> 00:15:47,070 He'd never given an interview of this type before. 220 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:50,740 I was hoping to get a better sense of whether or not Jim had the skills, 221 00:15:50,820 --> 00:15:54,740 the knowledge, and the motive to be behind Q. 222 00:15:55,660 --> 00:15:57,790 Why do you think I'm here? 223 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:03,250 You are here to make a documentary about me. 224 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:07,670 - Not you. - No. About 8channel. I'm sorry. 225 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:13,050 While Jim's data center was located in California, 226 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:15,510 he actually had a variety of businesses 227 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,890 that he operated from the Philippines. 228 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:21,350 So, coming up is where our office used to be. 229 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,690 Which office are you referring to? The 8chan office? 230 00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:25,860 Nobody works for 8chan. 231 00:16:26,070 --> 00:16:29,490 Really? I was imagining that there is, like, a... 232 00:16:29,570 --> 00:16:31,320 There's nobody that works for 8chan. 233 00:16:31,410 --> 00:16:34,530 There's people who work for me that work on other things 234 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,870 other than 8chan because 8chan doesn't make any money. 235 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:40,120 How do you keep it up then? 236 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:44,500 I make money doing other things. I'm well diversified. 237 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,640 It's like a beret. 238 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,390 I have an organic store, and this is one of our means of livelihood. 239 00:16:58,970 --> 00:17:00,810 We bake our own bread. 240 00:17:02,060 --> 00:17:05,610 Fresh harvest. We got some kale in from the farm. 241 00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:10,690 We do serve our own bacon. Even our eggs are organic. 242 00:17:13,910 --> 00:17:16,830 What is the point of 8chan? 243 00:17:16,910 --> 00:17:20,370 To give people a place that they can have freedom of speech 244 00:17:20,450 --> 00:17:25,920 without having to worry about getting in trouble for saying something. 245 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,800 I'm just sick of people being censored 246 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,970 and gender neutraled and all of that. 247 00:17:34,050 --> 00:17:37,220 It makes me angry. It's like, this is not what America's all about. 248 00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:41,020 I grew up watching Archie Bunker, and he was like a pig. 249 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:43,140 I've been around a lot of places and done a lot of things, 250 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:45,400 but there's one thing Archie Bunker ain't never gonna do 251 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,360 and that's break bread with no jungle bunnies. 252 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,950 8chan users, they use kikes and waps, 253 00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:56,450 and all of the bad words for everybody. 254 00:17:56,530 --> 00:17:59,450 And it was like, wow. 255 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:01,910 After we had some time to settle in, 256 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,830 I got around to asking Jim about Q. 257 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,670 What he thought about the biggest banning of QAnon to date 258 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,130 done by his mainstream competitor, Reddit. 259 00:18:11,260 --> 00:18:14,300 So, one of the first things that turned me on to 8chan 260 00:18:14,380 --> 00:18:18,260 was that Reddit banned QAnon. 261 00:18:18,350 --> 00:18:21,600 I don't honestly follow that board. 262 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,350 I don't know what they were talking about. 263 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,980 It's just one of our users. 264 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:32,480 It wasn't anything that we were getting police reports for or anything. 265 00:18:32,650 --> 00:18:37,450 What are they talking about? Like, revolution now or something? 266 00:18:37,530 --> 00:18:41,330 I'm not a political person myself. 267 00:18:41,410 --> 00:18:43,500 See what's going on in the back. 268 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:47,420 I really stay out of politics 'cause it's against the law for foreigners 269 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:50,630 to be involved in politics in the Philippines. So... 270 00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:52,920 But I mean, you can be involved in U.S. politics. 271 00:18:53,010 --> 00:18:55,550 But I live here. I don't really know what's going on. 272 00:18:56,380 --> 00:18:58,390 Chicken soup. 273 00:18:58,550 --> 00:19:01,010 Sorry I don't know more about the Q stuff. 274 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:07,140 But, from what I understand, the Q is not causing us any trouble. 275 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,020 When Reddit banned QAnon, 276 00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:13,230 people started rallying around this notion 277 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,150 that some ideas are kind of too dangerous. 278 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,660 Dangerous ideas, that's scary. 279 00:19:18,740 --> 00:19:23,290 That's a scary idea to have dangerous ideas. 280 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:28,540 Okay, let's take some kale. Let's try putting some cream in it. 281 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,670 I've had dangerous ideas like my one idea was 282 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,840 to round up all of the politicians and then machine gun them. 283 00:19:39,010 --> 00:19:40,640 And then their replacements come in 284 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,100 and you round them all up and machine gun them. 285 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,350 And then the third round, you tell them, you be good 286 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,900 or I'm gonna machine gun you. 287 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:54,270 And then, I was gonna vote Run for President being Machine Gun Jim. 288 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:58,820 But... Actually, I have no idea if this is going to be good or not. 289 00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:05,660 Actually, that's pretty good. 290 00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:10,420 Yeah, I'm not politically correct at all. 291 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:22,890 Of course, I was curious about the brewing tension 292 00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:25,180 that seemed to exist between Jim and Fred. 293 00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:29,640 And wondered why Jim had decided to subsidize 8chan in the first place. 294 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:36,940 I agreed to help 295 00:20:37,030 --> 00:20:40,650 and then Fred agreed to move here. 296 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:45,240 And, I was nice to him. I treated him well. 297 00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:50,870 And I took his broken website, which was completely broken, 298 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,540 and my engineers fixed his website. 299 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:59,460 So, is everything okay between you and Fred? 300 00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:03,010 We have a gentleman's agreement on it 301 00:21:03,090 --> 00:21:06,430 that we would split the profits 60-40. 302 00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:09,600 But there hasn't been any profits yet. 303 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,390 Fred was still working with Jim on his other projects, 304 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,100 just not for 8chan. 305 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:18,190 I wish he would be involved with 8chan. It might be more successful. 306 00:21:20,110 --> 00:21:24,280 Maybe he'll come back. We'll have round two, fight! 307 00:21:25,570 --> 00:21:27,450 It could happen. 308 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:38,420 So Fred, I know that being 8chan's admin was super taxing, 309 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,550 and I'm guessing if there are any other moral dilemmas 310 00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:45,140 that are preventing you from coming back to run 8chan. 311 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:48,850 As an American, I grew up in school 312 00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:53,440 and we're taught in school that one of the things that makes America greater 313 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,980 than all the other countries is that we have real free speech 314 00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:01,860 and in other countries they have libel laws and hate speech, 315 00:22:02,030 --> 00:22:04,030 and lots of obscenity laws. 316 00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:07,240 And, so that's something that's just a cherished American value. 317 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,280 And I never really questioned that, 318 00:22:09,410 --> 00:22:12,450 and that was the kind of mentality I opened 8chan with. 319 00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:17,580 But, you can't go three years as 8chan's admin 320 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:20,420 seeing the reality of total free speech 321 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:26,680 without having your faith in this sacred concept shaken a little bit. 322 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:32,890 Even though 8chan was home to Q, 323 00:22:32,970 --> 00:22:36,520 most QAnon followers never actually visited the site. 324 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,690 Instead, they would go to places that collected Q's drops, 325 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:42,610 like qmap.pub. 326 00:22:42,780 --> 00:22:46,530 These archival sites made Q's messages easy to search, 327 00:22:46,660 --> 00:22:52,160 expanding Q's reach while sanitizing the darker realities of 8chan. 328 00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:00,960 ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA 329 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,710 I don't really go on the boards. So... 330 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,760 I mean, it's a hard place to be. 331 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,350 Yeah. It's too chaotic. 332 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:12,640 Do you read Q drops on 8chan, 333 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,270 or one of those sites that collects the drops, like qmap? 334 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:17,690 Oh, I know. Yeah, exactly. I go to qmap. 335 00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:20,230 Are you on 8chan a lot? 336 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:24,190 Only if I have to be. That website is a headache, I've got to say. 337 00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:27,950 It's not a place for soft people. 338 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:30,120 It's not meant to be a place for soft people. 339 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,740 It's not meant to be a place for easily offended people. 340 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:35,040 It's a place for adults. 341 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,210 How do you deal with being on 8chan as Christians? 342 00:23:38,290 --> 00:23:41,210 Well, thank God my wife is not on 8chan. 343 00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:44,380 I've seen some of the threads. 344 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:47,760 I've explained to her about that there's pornographic stuff there. 345 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,390 There's gore, violence. Like, literal graphic stuff. 346 00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:55,930 Like, they post� There's child porn on there? 347 00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:57,270 They pull that down. 348 00:23:57,390 --> 00:23:59,440 They pull out anything that's illegal, but it gets posted all the time. 349 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,980 - Really? - Yeah. 350 00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:04,520 I didn't know that. I never heard of that before. That's troublesome. 351 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:07,990 I just told her basically what was on there and she kind of went, okay. 352 00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:12,740 Yes, I trust you. I don't want to see it, but I trust you. 353 00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:15,330 And that's why I'm so thankful to God he sent a wife 354 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:20,830 that trusts me when I'm dealing with this kind of evil sickness. 355 00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:27,010 And the person now administrating this so-called evil sickness 356 00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:31,130 was Ron Watkins, Jim's 30-something year-old son, 357 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:33,680 who had just flown in from Japan. 358 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,770 - This is the elevator power cord. - No, it's not. 359 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:38,980 Don't run into the elevator power cord. 360 00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:40,890 Welcome to 8chan headquarters. 361 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:44,810 This is 8chan headquarters. Wheelchair accessible, right there. 362 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,570 Jim's command center for his entrepreneurial efforts 363 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,160 was largely vacant when we arrived. 364 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,120 - Pen 15 club, Frances? - You have to give him a tattoo. 365 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,240 Wait, I think we gotta... 366 00:24:58,330 --> 00:24:59,500 There was a small studio 367 00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:02,920 where they recorded content for a news site called The Goldwater. 368 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,380 - No, we'll make you a badge here. - Tattoo time. Tattoo. 369 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,170 I'm a member of the Pen 15 club too. 370 00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:11,760 - Welcome to the club. - Welcome to the club. 371 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,050 The 8chan's servers were in California, 372 00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:16,470 it's volunteers scattered around the globe. 373 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,390 It's headquarters, essentially wherever Ron carried a laptop. 374 00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:26,520 Though it seems some work did get done here. 375 00:25:26,610 --> 00:25:30,990 We don't have a serious bone in our bodies. 376 00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:34,820 Your documentary won't be picked up by anybody 377 00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:37,370 if we talk the way we usually talk. 378 00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:39,700 How do you differ from your son? 379 00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:43,870 I don't differ from him. We're like out of the same mold. 380 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,840 When he was 10 years-old, he was sitting right next to me 381 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,670 with just a little black Compaq computer he had. 382 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,010 I'm more of an anti-social type person. 383 00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:57,550 I avoid social contact as much as possible. 384 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,270 I prefer to spend my time programming. 385 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:02,640 I talk mostly with my dogs. 386 00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:08,270 - But your dog talks back. - My dog does talk back. 387 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,030 I agreed to be interviewed for this 388 00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:14,950 because it's very important to get the word out 389 00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:18,990 that, as the years go by, 390 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,830 more and more people are attacking free speech online. 391 00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:25,460 And we need to do all we can to defend it now 392 00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,330 while there's still time. 393 00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:32,550 I'm more of like the forgetful professor type. 394 00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:35,170 Like, I'm terrible at adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing. 395 00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:39,850 But, I'm really good at very high level mathematics, 396 00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:42,100 like Ph.D. level mathematics. 397 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,560 I'm able to use these mathematics 398 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,360 to build things that other people are not able to comprehend. 399 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,230 - You're also known as Codemonkey? - Oh, Codemonkey, correct. 400 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,030 There's a famous song from, I guess, 2005 called Codemonkey, 401 00:26:58,110 --> 00:27:00,950 and there's a music video and you can find that on YouTube. 402 00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:05,540 And, I really liked the name and then one day I was mining trip codes 403 00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:08,080 and came across Odemonkey, 404 00:27:08,170 --> 00:27:12,340 so I added a C in the front, and it became Codemonkey. 405 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:15,420 People approach me all the time asking who Q is, 406 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:17,220 and I will say I don't know. 407 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:19,680 He's just another 8chan user 408 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,010 and he's welcome to post on 8chan as long as he wants. 409 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:27,100 We don't know who Q is. It's not me. 410 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,400 Might be you, right? But it's not me. 411 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,900 Only Q would do a documentary about himself, like... 412 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:38,490 You knew way more about it than me. It's like, wow. 413 00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:41,030 So, he posted about six hours ago. 414 00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:45,330 And that does coincide with this flurry of activity. 415 00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:48,540 About six hours ago. Q even attacked me, 416 00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:52,170 and I had to set that straight quickly. 417 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,630 While calling it an attack might be an exaggeration, 418 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,380 Q had told Ron to check his code, 419 00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:00,640 complained about being locked out of the board, 420 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,640 and even asked Ron for more resources. 421 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,060 Yeah, CM, which I assume, I mean, that stands for Codemonkey. 422 00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:09,060 See, it says here he has a team to secure, 423 00:28:09,140 --> 00:28:14,480 so from then I figured Q was a team, right. 424 00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:19,070 I'm pretty sure Q is a spinoff from Star Trek. 425 00:28:19,150 --> 00:28:21,610 The Q is a type of security clearance 426 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,280 called the Q-Level Clearance. 427 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:25,120 Yeah, I have one, but I'm not Q. 428 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,330 You don't have a Q-Level Clearance. 429 00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:29,960 While Jim didn't have a Q-level clearance, 430 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,670 he did have a military background. 431 00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:36,800 I started out as a mess hall truck driver 432 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,010 and after that I went on to Army recruiting, 433 00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:43,050 and I did that for about 10 years. 434 00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:47,390 And then I got out of that and started my own company. 435 00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:50,980 Jim discovered a niche online 436 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,230 where he could use the laws of one country 437 00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:55,730 to skirt around the laws in another, 438 00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:59,110 which primed the pumps for his next endeavor, 439 00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:01,950 investing in image boards. 440 00:29:02,030 --> 00:29:05,530 The very first image boards actually started in Japan, 441 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:08,370 but they were heavily censored due to Japanese law. 442 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,410 That would all change in 1999 443 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,960 when a Japanese college student in America 444 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,590 named Hiroyuki Nishimura created 2channel. 445 00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:21,300 2channel was named after the channel that you turned your TV to 446 00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:24,340 when hooking up an old school video game console. 447 00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,600 Because the site was hosted on American soil, 448 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,310 2channel was able to bring unfettered free speech to Japan 449 00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:32,440 and it was insanely popular. 450 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,310 That's when Jim got involved. 451 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,530 Hiroyuki came to me and he said, I can't afford to do this anymore. 452 00:29:39,610 --> 00:29:42,450 So we put some servers in my data center 453 00:29:42,570 --> 00:29:44,450 and we put it online. 454 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,660 In 2003, America finally got a taste of the chan culture 455 00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:53,250 that its free speech laws had helped to create. 456 00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:56,330 4chan! 457 00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:01,670 4chan's founder, Christopher Poole, also known as Moot, 458 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,470 got his start at a comedic website called Something Awful. 459 00:30:05,550 --> 00:30:08,890 Something Awful helped shape meme culture as we know it, 460 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:11,930 and when Moot created 4chan, it preserved something 461 00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:16,480 that made the Internet in the '90s special: anonymity. 462 00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:21,150 4chan had a few knockoffs, including 420chan, 463 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,690 which focused more on drug culture. 464 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,160 It was started by this guy, Aubrey Cottle. 465 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,910 When 420chan started, it was a damn joke. 466 00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:32,540 Like, it was 420, we were fucking high as shit. 467 00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:37,670 And we should register 420chan. That'd be fucking funny. 468 00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:40,090 But Aubrey Cottle had another claim to fame. 469 00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:43,210 He had cultivated the collective of Internet hacktivists, 470 00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:46,510 keyboard warriors known as none other than Anonymous. 471 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:52,560 Welcome. I am Anonymous 420. 472 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,100 We interrupt your YouTube time to bring you this urgent news story. 473 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:58,480 Anonymous started as a prankster collective 474 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,980 and users were organizing to pull off 475 00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:03,320 comedic and sometimes offensive stunts. 476 00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:05,950 Contrary to the assumptions of the media, 477 00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:09,240 Anonymous is not simply a group of super hackers. 478 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,700 Anonymous is a collective of individuals united by an awareness 479 00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:14,750 that someone must do the right thing, 480 00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:18,080 that someone must bring light to the darkness, that someone... 481 00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:22,040 But, as Anonymous evolved, it became increasingly political. 482 00:31:22,170 --> 00:31:25,920 At first, they targeted individuals on the wrong side of history, 483 00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:29,340 like talk show host and Holocaust denier, Hal Turner. 484 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:31,010 Why are you listening to this show? 485 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:33,260 This is a show for white people. Get out of here spic. 486 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:36,480 We DDoS'd him, we sent countless pizzas to his house. 487 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,270 We signed him up for escorts on Craigslist, 488 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,770 and basically we destroyed his ability to pay for his radio show. 489 00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:48,280 They went on to target Scientology. 490 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,030 The extent of your malign influence over those who have come to trust you 491 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,370 as leaders has been made clear to us. 492 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:58,910 Anonymous has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed. 493 00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:01,080 And even went after the Federal Reserve. 494 00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:02,500 During the hack of the Fed, 495 00:32:02,590 --> 00:32:05,590 Anonymous stole the login credentials of some 4,000 bankers 496 00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:06,840 from across the country. 497 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,930 All I remember is that all of us were fucking terrified 498 00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:15,640 that all of a sudden Anonymous was just this big fucking global thing. 499 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,770 It just dramatically accelerated from there. 500 00:32:18,850 --> 00:32:20,600 They went fully mainstream. 501 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,150 Havoc ensued, and between 2011 and 2012, 502 00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:27,860 dozens of arrests happened around the world 503 00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:29,700 causing Anonymous to splinter. 504 00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:33,740 25 members of Anonymous have been arrested across Europe. 505 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:36,870 And we're, like, freaking out being oh fuck-oh fuck-oh fuck. 506 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:38,700 What did we do? Oh, Jesus. 507 00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:42,540 After Anonymous faded from the limelight, 508 00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:46,750 in 2014 a controversy known as GamerGate 509 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,590 exploded from the bowels of 4chan. 510 00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:52,550 This new collective borrowed from the tactics of Anonymous, 511 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,260 but had a very different agenda, 512 00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:59,930 pushing back against the feminist critique of video games. 513 00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:02,350 Yes, I followed GamerGate from the very beginning. 514 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,770 I found it fascinating and I fully supported it. 515 00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:08,440 It was the first time in many-many years 516 00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:13,030 that a culture stood up to feminist takeover and won. 517 00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:16,160 They went after prominent female game developers, 518 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,160 critics, and their associates. 519 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,450 And, using the shield of anonymity, 520 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:23,710 users coordinated harassment campaigns on 4chan. 521 00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:27,090 Instantly they dived into find where she lives, 522 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:29,380 find where where all these people live. 523 00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:33,630 What are we gonna do about her? Can we hack her email? Like, instantly. 524 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,350 It's misogyny. It's misogyny. It's in every game in sight. 525 00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:43,270 But collectively, lessons from Anonymous had been learned. 526 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:45,100 There were no self-declared leaders. 527 00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:48,650 There was no clear objective, just male-driven vengeance 528 00:33:48,730 --> 00:33:52,900 under a collective banner: gamer culture. 529 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:55,910 Just a matter of sort of the rage 530 00:33:55,990 --> 00:34:00,490 that gamers were having by being abandoned by the industry 531 00:34:00,620 --> 00:34:03,040 that used to cater to them. 532 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,500 Mark Mann was essentially the Godfather of GamerGate. 533 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,960 He oversaw the video game board 534 00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:13,760 where anons would discuss tactics for their harassment campaigns. 535 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,890 Was anyone ever doxed in that process? 536 00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:19,680 Well, yeah. It's the movement. Everyone's gonna get doxxed. 537 00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:22,100 So we have GamerGate. 538 00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:24,480 It started with ethics in games journalism, 539 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,110 and that was co opted by people leaning towards the right, 540 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:33,610 and then sort of pushing them toward a liberal media is lying to you agenda. 541 00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:37,450 And then that completely transformed from there into the alt-right. 542 00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:40,080 The first thing you lose is all perspective. 543 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:46,120 It's like you're just constantly surrounded by nothing but hate. 544 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,840 Christopher Poole decided that that flavor of free speech, 545 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,750 too toxic for 4chan. 546 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,800 And in December of 2014, 547 00:34:56,930 --> 00:35:00,300 all mentions of GamerGate were given the axe. 548 00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:05,810 4chan, the bastion of free speech, was banning mentions of GamerGate. 549 00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:09,020 Blame 4chan! Blame 4chan! 550 00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,230 Freedom of speech must be dispersed! My sensibilities must come first! 551 00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:19,950 And 4chan users weren't happy, including Fred Brennan. 552 00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:23,120 I think the media just doesn't understand 553 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,950 that 4chan is heavily moderated. 554 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,880 There are rules. Like, activism is banned on 4chan. 555 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,050 You can state your political beliefs and have debates, 556 00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:35,300 but when you start turning it into action 557 00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:37,420 that's what gets banned on 4chan. 558 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:39,680 Fred was still a heavy 4chan user, 559 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,930 and the censorship of GamerGate seemed to prove 560 00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:45,430 that speech on 4chan really wasn't that free. 561 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,520 So, my philosophy, because I had gone years just getting angrier and angrier 562 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,400 at the 4chan administration, 563 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,900 that anyway that I could hurt 4chan was a good thing. 564 00:35:57,030 --> 00:36:00,360 Fortunately, or unfortunately, 565 00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:03,780 he'd already created a space that welcomed the controversy. 566 00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:13,840 I thought, oh I had this big number of refugees from 4chan. 567 00:36:14,590 --> 00:36:17,460 I'm gonna do everything I can to support them 568 00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:20,180 as an attack on 4chan. 569 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:27,810 In late 2014, that's when users started flooding over to 8chan, 570 00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:32,270 to the video game board run by Mark Mann. 571 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,360 I think what brought a lot of people to 8chan was the fact 572 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,530 that it was unique. You know, we promised better moderation, 573 00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:44,740 a much more streamlined community than what was on 4chan. 574 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:50,040 Around the time that Anonymous splintered, 575 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,210 Jim and Hiroyuki splintered as well. 576 00:36:53,290 --> 00:36:56,290 Jim claimed that Hiroyuki had stopped paying the bills. 577 00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:59,130 There would be battles that play out in Japanese court, 578 00:36:59,260 --> 00:37:03,800 and Jim ultimately modifies the name from 2channel to 5chan. 579 00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:06,100 It's pretty crazy what Jim did. 580 00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:08,770 I mean, he basically ran the deeds office 581 00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:12,390 and just crossed off Hiroyuki's name and put his own name. 582 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:18,610 Of course after this happened, Jim and Hiroyuki became bitter rivals. 583 00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:22,280 That was fun. 584 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,990 It's around this time that Jim extends his support to Frederick Brennan, 585 00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:31,580 as the owner of 8chan, expanding Jim's reach to the U.S. 586 00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:34,790 Now, Hiroyuki, well, he's a celebrity in Japan. 587 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,090 But, his celebrity status didn't help him 588 00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:39,380 in his numerous court cases against Jim. 589 00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:43,380 So, there was only one real way to get back at him, 590 00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:46,510 and the opportunity presented itself when Chris Poole, 591 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,560 clean from the fallout of GamerGate, 592 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,970 decided that he needed to sell 4chan. 593 00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:54,140 And, he sold it to none other than Hiroyuki. 594 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,280 They had a falling out, and Hiroyuki purchased 4chan. 595 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,530 I believe that was partly to spite my father. 596 00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:11,120 These methods of organizing attacks and pranks 597 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,370 first popularized by Anonymous... 598 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:15,870 That someone must bring light to the darkness. 599 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,580 ...then used during GamerGate. 600 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:22,420 I can map out the entire family tree starting from Something Awful. 601 00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:26,180 There's a direct lineage pointing right back to my shit. 602 00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:29,510 These methods, it seems that they were just preludes 603 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,270 to what would eventually become... 604 00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:36,520 QAnon. 605 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,780 Welcome back my friends. 606 00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:45,740 This is Dustin Nemos of Dustinnemos.com. 607 00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:47,530 I have something interesting that just happened. 608 00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:49,410 And you're not going to believe it. 609 00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:51,950 So I've been talking about how, a couple times, 610 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,660 I'm not bragging or anything, but I mentioned it once or twice 611 00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:58,710 'cause it's interesting. I was invited to speak on QAnon 612 00:38:58,790 --> 00:39:01,420 at the American Priority Conference, in D.C. 613 00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,550 The organizer reached out to me and basically said, 614 00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:08,930 I want to do a Q panel. Would you come and participate? 615 00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:10,470 And I was like, sure. 616 00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:12,930 Up until now, QAnons had organized online. 617 00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:16,020 But for the first time ever, key Q-tubers were stepping out 618 00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:17,940 from behind their monitors into the limelight. 619 00:39:20,650 --> 00:39:22,270 AMERICAN PRIORITY Washington, DC Conference 620 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,360 The American Priority Conference was created as an alternative. 621 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,660 So, this was supposed to be this kind of vision of the new right, 622 00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:30,870 this Internet right. 623 00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:33,240 The Clinton Foundation's the next one that's coming up. 624 00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:34,950 That's the next thing that's gonna be the next... 625 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,210 I haven't even caught up on all the drops yet from today. 626 00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:40,790 We're fighting a war against evil and people who eat babies. 627 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,040 Craig James from JustInformedTalk, 628 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:45,960 Dustin Nemos from The Nemos News Network, 629 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,680 and future congressional candidate, Deanna Lorraine, 630 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,430 were all scheduled to headline. 631 00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:53,850 Not to mention, the infamous political hitman, Roger Stone, 632 00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:55,930 was slated to make an appearance. 633 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,390 Operatives like Roger Stone and General Flynn 634 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,480 understood the power of information warfare. 635 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,230 Both having bolstered rumors 636 00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:07,360 that a child sex dungeon existed in the basement of a D.C. pizzeria 637 00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:10,030 frequented by their political opponents, 638 00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:13,120 even though no such dungeon was ever found. 639 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,870 Now, what do you think? I've heard rumors of restaurants here in D.C. 640 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,330 where you can go down to the basement, 641 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:24,130 and they're serving kids up to Saudi princes and stuff. 642 00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:26,670 I haven't heard that one, but I know, 643 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,220 it takes me back to the Comet Ping Pong example, where... 644 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,760 That was where I got it from. The Comet Ping Pong. 645 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,140 Do you talk about Q at all in your posts? 646 00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:36,890 Yes, I do. Absolutely, I... 647 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:39,520 Because Q kind of ties everything together 648 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,440 and Q has people wake up to the fact 649 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,860 that things that people in the media have told us 650 00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:50,200 have been very much indoctrination and lies. 651 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,120 You may understand now the power of thousands and thousands of people 652 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,740 on the Internet directly... 653 00:40:56,870 --> 00:41:00,080 While the earliest promoter of QAnon, Tracy Beanz, 654 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,580 was still allowed to speak, 655 00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:05,500 presumably because she was no longer open to discussing QAnon, 656 00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:08,050 she presented to an empty room. 657 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:10,630 The other Q-tubers were given the boot. 658 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:13,010 We were gonna speak on the QAnon issue 659 00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:17,220 as it applies to the overall MAGA movement. 660 00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:21,310 And they uninvited us for that purpose. 661 00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:26,810 Someone's pulling some strings to force him to disinvite us. 662 00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,900 I actually wrote an article about that QAnon panel 663 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:33,490 and how it was planned to happen, 664 00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:38,160 and then highlighted some of the bigger speakers they had at the time. 665 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:42,120 And after that article came out, the QAnon panel was cancelled. 666 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,420 Q is not popular among a lot of the alt-leftist media people. 667 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:53,680 A lot of them build about half of their audience on bashing Q. 668 00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:58,850 It doesn't matter if they want to de-platform me, 669 00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:00,850 we're still getting the word out. 670 00:42:00,930 --> 00:42:07,270 Q gives you a great deal of power in a way by using your platform. 671 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,820 - Correct. - Why do you think Q trusts you? 672 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,820 I don't know that Q trusts me. He might not trust me. 673 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:19,620 Many people are putting a lot of faith and hope into Q, 674 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:22,080 and hoping that what he's saying is real 675 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,830 and is going to change the course of history. 676 00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:27,920 Do you think Q is seeking infamy? 677 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,380 Evelyn Hall once said, I disapprove of what you're saying, 678 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:36,590 but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. 679 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,260 I don't agree, and I don't disagree with what Q is saying. 680 00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:45,940 But I really appreciate that he's using 8chan to get his message out. 681 00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:50,310 And do you seek infamy? 682 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,480 I don't seek infamy. But I will embrace it. 683 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:56,240 What about your dad? 684 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,120 I can't speak for him, but he's a character. 685 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:10,460 I've been blessed with a really good life 686 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:14,760 and I have a lot of fun. 687 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,550 This is what I do for fun. I play with pens. 688 00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,680 When you put in a cartridge like this, 689 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,560 you want to flick it a little bit 690 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,690 like you're flicking a spitball in class. 691 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,900 And that one'll be able to write shortly. Okay. 692 00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:42,870 Jim mentioned that he has another hobby: pigs. 693 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,660 To visit his farm, we would need to make a lengthy drive 694 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:49,330 into the jungle on the outskirts of Manila. 695 00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:56,460 The pig farm was a place of legend on 8chan. 696 00:43:56,590 --> 00:44:01,930 Users like to speculate that it was where Jim disposed of his enemies. 697 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,980 The pig farm is an active business. 698 00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:12,900 It's where we get rid of the bad users. 699 00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:14,650 No. 700 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,030 - Did I say that? - No. 701 00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:22,280 Despite all the rumors about Jim's farm, 702 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:24,580 I still had a hard time imagining 703 00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:27,910 that he was going to feed me to the pigs. 704 00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:34,290 So, why did you end up taking over as admin? 705 00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:39,630 Fredrick was growing irritated and discontent with the site. 706 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,220 It grew too fast, and it outgrew the software. 707 00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,680 They weren't able to figure out how to grow it. 708 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,060 And so I devised a way to scale it. 709 00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:51,730 And my method worked, 710 00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:56,360 and we were able to scale 8chan to the size it is now. 711 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,200 I'm so happy that you were able to interview Fred, though. 712 00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:04,070 'Cause that's, like, proof of life 713 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,580 'cause people have accused me of killing him. 714 00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,790 And of course I didn't. He's a friend of mine, you know. 715 00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:15,960 Do you think you're their enemy at this point? 716 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,420 I don't think I'm their enemy, no. Not at all. 717 00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:20,880 Definitely there's been some disagreements over the years 718 00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:23,510 and definitely we have our differences. 719 00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:26,680 But, if it was true, I would have already been fed to the pigs. 720 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,430 So, it's not true. 721 00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:36,520 Maybe 25 percent of 8chan is paid for by pigs. 722 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,860 With your weapon in your hand, 723 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:47,200 I'm gonna be a fighting man. 724 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,330 Sebastian is my stud. 725 00:45:52,410 --> 00:45:55,290 We don't do artificial insemination here. 726 00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:58,960 We do it natural and he's a lover not a fighter. 727 00:45:59,050 --> 00:46:01,590 He's a wonderful lover. And they love him, too. 728 00:46:01,710 --> 00:46:05,380 Over here we got his girlfriends. This is his harem. 729 00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:11,810 71, two, three, four, five. Seventy-five. 730 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:17,400 I have 75 piglets and weaners. 731 00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:19,980 They're weaning. 732 00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:29,490 I'm gonna build a house up here, 733 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:32,450 and I'm gonna make this my private yoga studio. 734 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,250 That data center is in here. 735 00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:47,130 Running an image board is not for the faint of heart. 736 00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:52,770 I'm being attacked every day from all different angles, 737 00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:56,440 so you have to have thick skin and not care what they talk about. 738 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,270 I've had a lot of mental training 739 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,820 and I've spent many years meditating. 740 00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,700 And I used to stay in a monastery. 741 00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:11,490 I learned a lot about how to try to kill the ego, 742 00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:14,410 or even just work around the ego. 743 00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:20,250 And, because of that, words from other people attacking me 744 00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:24,670 or saying terrible things about me does not bother me at all. 745 00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:31,100 So, I usually avoid drama as much as I can. 746 00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:35,640 It's just high stress, and I don't need all that stress. 747 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,610 Excuse me, Pol. Yan... 748 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:55,790 So, who do you think brought this Q to your apartment? 749 00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:58,500 How did this arrive? I just found it one day. 750 00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:03,750 I wrote up a report as soon as it happened, but... 751 00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:05,590 Where was it? 752 00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:08,470 It was on... Where was it? 753 00:48:08,590 --> 00:48:11,760 I think it was just on my desk. It was a long time ago. 754 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,100 I don't really remember the details anymore. 755 00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:17,980 And Q had posted at some point that he was going to thank, 756 00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:20,940 I don't know if it was the creators of 8chan or the... 757 00:48:21,060 --> 00:48:25,520 Right, he said he was going to send a message to the 8chan administrators. 758 00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:29,070 I came back. I saw it. 759 00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:31,780 And I thought it was really weird and I just looked at it, 760 00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:34,660 and then I just posted it online. 761 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,500 I wrote, this could be something or this could be nothing. 762 00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:44,880 I thought it would be funny to say, oh, it could be from the real Q. 763 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,420 And, weirdly enough, Q never repudiated that. 764 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:53,050 I'm one of the Q proofs. 765 00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:57,430 They believe Q put the Q in my room. 766 00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:03,650 But, it's not like bad gift or anything. 767 00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:06,690 It's a good gift for me. I design fonts, so... 768 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,280 The Q is my favorite letter. 769 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,910 And it always has been since I was a kid. 770 00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:17,370 When you're a typographer, 771 00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:20,830 you're always fighting between making sure people can read the letter 772 00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:22,960 and then your own artistic intent. 773 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,960 So, Q gives you the most freedom. 774 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,300 There are so many ways to put the tail of the Q. 775 00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:31,470 You can have it bisecting. 776 00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:34,510 You can have it only inside, so none of this part. 777 00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:36,720 You can have it totally outside. 778 00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:40,310 You can have it touching, or you can write it as a two. 779 00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:43,310 So, it gives a typographer a lot of freedom 780 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,270 when they're designing a font. 781 00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:48,400 And I'm not sure if any other letter does that. 782 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,860 You do have an unbelievable amount of Qs in here. 783 00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:53,280 Thank you. 784 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:59,410 Yeah, this, it's as if your room is just Qs. 785 00:49:59,490 --> 00:50:01,540 Back when I first got the blue Q, 786 00:50:01,660 --> 00:50:06,330 QAnons, they would send me Qs to be like, thank you. 787 00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:09,340 'Cause, like, they saw the blue Q as a sign. 788 00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,420 So, not all of these Qs are actually bought by me. 789 00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,970 And, I never acknowledged any of the Qs that came here. 790 00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:18,180 But you didn't get rid of them either. 791 00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:19,850 That's true, yeah. 792 00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,230 Do you think it's possible that Frederick Brennan is Q? 793 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,150 I think Frederick Brennan could be Q, 794 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,280 but having an object does not mean 795 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,160 you are the person associated with that object. 796 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:45,080 Example, here's a MAGA hat, right? 797 00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:48,080 Does that mean I'm Trump? Obviously, I'm not Trump, 798 00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:51,210 even though I have the same hat that Trump wears. 799 00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:54,170 There are a million of those, and I've only seen one... 800 00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:57,050 There are millions of Qs, also. 801 00:50:59,510 --> 00:51:01,970 This is my man cave. 802 00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:04,350 So, what goes down in this room? 803 00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:07,520 This is where it all happens. 804 00:51:09,310 --> 00:51:14,280 I am Jim Watkins and I will dance on command. 805 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:18,990 I do lap dances for 50 bucks. You want me to turn this off? 806 00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:21,200 That pen cleaner's about the noisiest thing I've ever heard. 807 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,700 You can hear this? I can't hear this at all. 808 00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:30,420 And, so, is this where you log into 8chan usually? 809 00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:36,470 I usually don't go to boards that are not public 810 00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:38,180 'cause you get there, 811 00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,140 and you get things you want to unsee. 812 00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:44,350 But you don't have access to the Q board? 813 00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:48,390 What is the URL? What is the... 814 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,690 We can go to the Q board. 815 00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:53,320 The Q research board is hidden, 816 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,280 meaning it wouldn't show up on 8chan's main page. 817 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,650 You had to know where to look. 818 00:51:57,740 --> 00:52:00,490 You could be directed there by a link from another site, 819 00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:04,080 or type Q research into the browser. 820 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,370 Q... 821 00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:12,830 - Research? Q research? - Research, okay. 822 00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:19,590 It's weird that one of the most popular things on 8chan and you're like... 823 00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:24,220 But how would I know it's the most popular thing? It's not listed. 824 00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:27,220 Q has something like 2500 posts at this point. 825 00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:30,480 - Have you read them all? - I read a lot of them. 826 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,860 Tell me about it and I'll tell you what my opinion is. 827 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,190 One of the big ones is that there's all these sealed indictments. 828 00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:41,240 Hilary and John McCain, they're all arrested already 829 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,780 and wearing ankle bracelets. 830 00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:48,580 That's possible. I think they have secret courts in America, don't they? 831 00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,580 November 11th was supposed to be this big day. 832 00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:56,210 11-11. That's one, one, one, one. 833 00:52:56,290 --> 00:53:00,010 One more one if you count the one in the 18. 834 00:53:00,090 --> 00:53:04,180 But, everything that Q has said has come true 835 00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:06,850 in some potential future. 836 00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:14,650 And all of those unlimited futures have or are happening. 837 00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:17,860 Just you can only experience one of them. 838 00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:21,360 See, now you are starting to sound like Q. 839 00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:26,580 Obviously, if there's so many people reading this Q research, 840 00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:30,200 I don't think that this is a LARP. It's too big for that. 841 00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:35,500 But who it is and if he's actually an insider at the White House, 842 00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:38,340 that's up in the air. 843 00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:43,720 Do you think it's possible that your dad is part of Q? 844 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,720 It's impossible. Yeah, he would have bragged about it already. 845 00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:52,350 He seems like he would be good at keeping a secret. 846 00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:54,270 It's a big world, you know. 847 00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:58,980 Maybe he's just some overtired, overstressed, 848 00:53:59,070 --> 00:54:03,150 middle GS-5 from the White House 849 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,240 that's like, "I got an idea." 850 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,240 Q's a big fan of General Flynn, so probably someone really... 851 00:54:08,330 --> 00:54:11,410 General Flynn? Yeah, and he got burnt for no reason, 852 00:54:11,490 --> 00:54:14,000 didn't he? Poor guy. 853 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,550 I found out more about it today than I actually knew about it before. 854 00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:24,590 I haven't been keeping up on politics for awhile 855 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:28,260 'cause I I've been busy working on important things. 856 00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:30,180 He worked in the military for awhile, 857 00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:33,730 so I believe they do stuff that needs to be kept secret. 858 00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:36,140 What is a Q-level clearance? 859 00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:39,770 I was in the Army 16 years and I never had a Q-level clearance. 860 00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:41,110 I don't know what that is. 861 00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:44,690 Q, if he is who he is, 862 00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:46,910 he would surely know a lot about the military. 863 00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:49,620 And my dad knows a lot about the military. 864 00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:53,830 Probably it's they're military talking points, maybe. 865 00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:57,370 When I was in the academy, the commandant said 866 00:54:57,460 --> 00:55:01,540 you're the most civilianized motherfucker I ever let graduate. 867 00:55:01,630 --> 00:55:04,510 It's possible, I guess, that he could be Q. But I doubt it, 868 00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:07,550 'cause he's so busy working on the pig farm now. 869 00:55:07,630 --> 00:55:11,930 Do you think it would be dangerous for Q to reveal themself, or herself? 870 00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:17,060 Probably, yeah. Has he done anything illegal? 871 00:55:18,730 --> 00:55:22,110 You can definitively say then that you are not a part of Q? 872 00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:25,740 I am not a part of Q. 873 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,450 Don't arrest me. 874 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,410 How do you think you differ from your father? 875 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,040 How do I differ? 876 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,130 I don't, I'm not autistic about pens, for one. 877 00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:47,880 After spending several days with Jim, something came to mind. 878 00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:50,760 Pen board usually has one user. Me. 879 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,810 Q uses a pen to confirm its identity. 880 00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:59,810 A 1500-dollar Mont Blanc Starwalker pen 881 00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:02,980 that supposedly belongs to Donald Trump. 882 00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:09,280 Q first introduced the pen on December 12th of 2017, 883 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,160 then Q returns after the power struggle on January 5th. 884 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:16,040 What does Q use to confirm? 885 00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:19,660 That same pen. 886 00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:29,130 Why does Q choose a pen of all things to confirm its identity? 887 00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:33,300 This is my hobby, yeah. This is what I do for fun. 888 00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:37,220 That is from France. 889 00:56:37,310 --> 00:56:39,890 So, we'll let that sit for a little while. 890 00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,100 Are there a lot of pen collectors out there? 891 00:56:42,190 --> 00:56:44,770 There are millions of pen collectors out there. 892 00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:47,400 I love this pen. This is my favorite pen. 76076

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