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Drop 151 (Nov 14 2017)
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How do you capture
a very dangerous animal?
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Do you attack it from the front?
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Do you walk through the front door?
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Why did POTUS depart Manila
30 min ahead of schedule?
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Nothing is as it appears...
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NOVEMBER 29th, 2018
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On my way to Manila,
I had a layover in Hong Kong.
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The view from my window
was not all that different
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from the one in Drop 130.
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At this point, Q had been posting
for just over a year.
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MANILA, PHILIPPINES
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Manila was home
to the team behind 8chan,
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the site where Q posts.
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And I was planning to meet with
the site's creator, Fred Brennan,
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for the first time in person.
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I had noticed
that social media platforms
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were increasingly restricting
certain types of speech online,
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and I was curious
to what extent Q and 8chan,
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a site that was unapologetic about
allowing almost any type of speech,
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played a role in that debate.
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I assumed that's why
they agreed to meet with me.
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It was really a dice roll whether
or not this trip was going to pay off.
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Fred hadn't provided an address
or even an exact time to meet up,
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but the morning
we were supposed to film together,
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Fred dropped his coordinates.
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From the beginning, Fred was surprised
by how minimalistic my setup was.
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Just me and a film school grad
I had hired locally.
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He lived in a high rise
gated community,
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and despite
all the cloak and dagger...
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This way.
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...Fred said
that he was moving soon.
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So, it was okay
to film the grounds.
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Fred had spent years cultivating
some of the wildest content
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the Internet had to offer.
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I couldn't help but wonder,
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had he also played a role
in shaping Q.
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Q: INTO THE STORM
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Para sa akin
cheese hamburgers siempre.
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Then one extra rice box?
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- My chicken nuggets sa table.
- Yes.
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I don't know
if anybody wants it,
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but if you're still hungry,
you can eat it.
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You'd be surprised how many people
come all this way to see me.
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They just want to meet me.
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The image in their heads
does not match my reality.
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They think that I'm,
like, this amazing guy
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that made this amazing website
and I changed the world.
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And I see myself as somebody
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who was in the right place
at the right time. Yeah.
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I think most of them
go away disappointed
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but at least they get to eat curry
rice during their disappointment.
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I grew up with just unfettered
access to the Internet.
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And, I grew up also disabled.
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So, I couldn't go run outside and play
with the neighborhood kids.
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So, throughout my life,
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almost all of my friends
have been online friends.
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Like, since the beginning. Ready?
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I have osteogenesis imperfecta.
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It's caused by a single mutation
in a gene that makes collagen.
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So, the bones
don't form correctly.
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So they become
really brittle like glass.
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I was always very self conscious
about my disability.
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I fought a lot with both my parents
about why did you have kids.
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You knew this would happen.
You received genetic counseling.
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What's wrong with you?
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And it caused
a lot of teenage angst also.
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My challenges around mobility did
make me more intellectually curious
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because there wasn't
a whole lot else that I could do.
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The Internet leveled
the playing field,
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so Fred spent
almost all of his time online,
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which meant his digital self
matured at a rapid pace.
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So much so
that by the age of 12,
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he had already stumbled across
some of the most shocking content
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that the Internet had to offer.
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When I first found 4chan,
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I just saw
what a lot of people are saying.
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And I felt I finally had discovered
what people were really thinking.
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Saying things
like gas all the crippled people,
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I hate downies,
throw them off a bridge.
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I felt like I was seeing a window
into people's hidden thoughts
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that they weren't saying because
it wasn't socially acceptable.
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But this is what everybody's
really thinking.
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When they look at me, wow,
look at this crippled retard.
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As a child,
I was very impressionable
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and I just felt, like, wow,
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I've been lied to my whole life
by people who are telling me,
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oh, it's good to be different.
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I figured, like, because
the site just seemed so active,
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you say, wow,
this is a huge number of people
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that are just speaking the truth,
or what I thought was the truth.
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So, I feel like the Internet changed
my perspective of the world a lot.
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Don't smoke kids,
or else you'll become like me.
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I'm almost the dead baby. Like,
I'm one step after the dead baby.
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When Fred was 19, he became
the admin of a site called Wizardchan.
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The forum was a home
for male incels.
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That is, virgins who think
they'll never have sex
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and just generally hate women
because of that.
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But after Fred did some drugs
and slept with a prostitute
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who had, well, two fetishes...
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She had a fetish for male virgins,
and disabled people.
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So, I was both.
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Fred was no longer a virgin.
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So, he resigned
as admin of Wizardchan.
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While on his digital
walk of shame,
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Fred began to look
for a new edge to lord over.
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He was still an active user
on 4chan,
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but he couldn't create a board
without approval from the site's owner.
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Meanwhile, Reddit,
its more mainstream competitor,
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allowed anyone to create boards
but wasn't anonymous.
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I was just thinking,
wow, wouldn't it be amazing
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if Reddit and 4chan had a baby,
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and everyone could make
their own board.
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So he merged Reddit's
democratized board creation
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with 4chan's anonymous posting,
and presto, 8chan was born.
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Now anyone could create a board
and posts could be totally anonymous.
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When I wrote 8chan
originally in 2013,
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I wasn't really planning
for success.
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I wrote the first part of it
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while I was coming off
of psychedelic mushrooms.
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Like, you know,
they call it the come down, I think.
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It wasn't meant to scale
from 100 posts per day
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to, like, 10,000 posts per hour.
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This free speech maximalist approach
had given Fred an edge.
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But he now had a serious
moderation problem
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because illegal content like
child porn would get shared as well.
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I had no idea that the hosting
was going to be so hard.
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I had no idea how my payment
processing worked.
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I was just on the "hopium"
of free speech and all that.
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Fred created 8chan in 2013.
He was 19-years-old.
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But with a mass influx of users,
Fred needed help.
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It seemed he also wanted
to find a partner
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who would let him continue
to run the site as its admin.
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I started to get lots of emails
from people
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that were interested
in running 8chan on their own.
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Of all the offers I received, I chose,
Jim Watkins and his son, Ron,
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because I felt they had
the most experience with this.
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I would say, overall,
Jim is a good owner for 8chan.
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I would say that Jim is not
tech savvy at all.
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Jim is much more
the business brain,
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and Ron is much more
of a technical brain.
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I would describe Ron
as a tech bro, pretty much.
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He's a talented programmer also.
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In some ways,
more talented than I am.
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Jim Watkins is
an American businessman
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operating out of the Philippines.
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Jim served in East Asia
while he was in the Army,
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and found a dollar
went a long way.
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He offered
for Fred to come join them
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along with a handful of perks.
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So, it was a no-brainer for me
to sell 8chan to them
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and move to the Philippines.
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Like, they offered me
a condo with the rent paid.
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When's the last time
you went swimming?
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- Eight years ago. I was 12.
- Wow.
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And then a caregiver also.
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Let go.
It's okay. We know CPR.
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Fred had even found a fiance
in the Philippines.
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He now had plans to get married
in just a few months.
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So, working with Jim Watkins
helped him support this new life.
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They kept me on as an employee now,
being the administrator, not the owner.
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As the administrator,
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Fred had to deal with all kinds of
in fighting and drama on the boards.
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Not to mention, the site itself
operated at a loss.
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It seems most advertisers
didn't want to touch it.
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Being 8chan's admin
was really difficult.
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It was really arduous work.
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And then, I decided to quit from
being administrator in 2016, April.
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Fred stepped out
as 8chan's admin,
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but he continued to work
for Jim Watkins
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on other Internet projects
that they owned.
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I don't believe 8chan
can ever be profitable.
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What's the point
of running it then?
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You know how some rich men
will have a yacht, like a big boat?
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So, that boat is not generating
any income.
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It's a liability,
it's not an asset.
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So, I was told to just think of 8chan
as a boat.
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I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat.
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Everybody look at me
'cause I'm sailing on a boat.
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- It's a fun toy for Jim.
- It's a boat.
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It's a boat, yes.
The SS 8chan.
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Come on, baby.
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That one is Jim's house.
He might get upset,
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so we'll go
around the corner, okay?
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Man, they have a lot of cars.
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Yeah. I don't want to say something
that's going to get me in trouble.
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So, let me just say nothing.
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I don't want to say
the words financial insolvency.
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But, maybe he has guests. Let's
give him the benefit of the doubt.
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When I asked him about Jim,
Fred was hesitant.
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I really like working for him,
he's a great boss.
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But, yeah, I mean,
I have to be careful what I say.
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It was the first time
I noticed Fred holding his tongue.
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In theory I am supposed to meet
with Jim tomorrow to film.
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Wow.
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I really can't wait
to see your documentary.
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- Now that you got Jim in it.
- Okay.
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So this is speculation,
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but I think he's worried
about what I'm going to say.
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So, he wants to have
a counter to what I'm saying.
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I don't think I'm saying
anything really bad.
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But, he might be worried about it,
so he just wants to make sure
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his side gets in
if you're already here.
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At this point,
Jim Watkins was relatively unknown.
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It seemed that no one had even
considered he might possibly be Q.
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He owned 8chan and he's
self-described as an industrialist.
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Lights off.
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So, why did you seek out 8chan?
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I didn't seek out 8chan.
8chan is an accident.
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My son said, this guy needs
some help with 8chan.
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He can't afford the servers
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and said, can we put this in our
data center. And I said, okay.
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You say, you own 8chan.
No, 8chan owns me.
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It costs a lot of money
to run it.
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I don't get much for it either.
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They kind of tricked me
into it, and then now I have it.
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I can't get rid of it
because it's important.
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Jim seemed nervous.
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He'd never given
an interview of this type before.
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I was hoping to get a better sense
of whether or not Jim had the skills,
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the knowledge,
and the motive to be behind Q.
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Why do you think I'm here?
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You are here
to make a documentary about me.
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- Not you.
- No. About 8channel. I'm sorry.
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While Jim's data center
was located in California,
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he actually had
a variety of businesses
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that he operated
from the Philippines.
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So, coming up is
where our office used to be.
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Which office are you referring to?
The 8chan office?
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Nobody works for 8chan.
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Really? I was imagining
that there is, like, a...
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There's nobody
that works for 8chan.
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There's people who work for me
that work on other things
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other than 8chan because
8chan doesn't make any money.
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How do you keep it up then?
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I make money doing other things.
I'm well diversified.
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It's like a beret.
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I have an organic store, and this
is one of our means of livelihood.
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We bake our own bread.
240
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Fresh harvest.
We got some kale in from the farm.
241
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We do serve our own bacon.
Even our eggs are organic.
242
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What is the point of 8chan?
243
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To give people a place that
they can have freedom of speech
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without having to worry about getting
in trouble for saying something.
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I'm just sick
of people being censored
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and gender neutraled
and all of that.
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It makes me angry. It's like, this
is not what America's all about.
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I grew up watching Archie Bunker,
and he was like a pig.
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I've been around a lot of places
and done a lot of things,
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but there's one thing
Archie Bunker ain't never gonna do
251
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and that's break bread
with no jungle bunnies.
252
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8chan users,
they use kikes and waps,
253
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and all of the bad words
for everybody.
254
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And it was like, wow.
255
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After we had some time
to settle in,
256
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I got around to asking Jim
about Q.
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What he thought about the biggest
banning of QAnon to date
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done by his mainstream competitor,
Reddit.
259
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So, one of the first things
that turned me on to 8chan
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was that Reddit banned QAnon.
261
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I don't honestly follow that board.
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I don't know
what they were talking about.
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It's just one of our users.
264
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It wasn't anything that we were getting
police reports for or anything.
265
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What are they talking about?
Like, revolution now or something?
266
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I'm not a political person myself.
267
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See what's going on
in the back.
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I really stay out of politics 'cause
it's against the law for foreigners
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to be involved in politics
in the Philippines. So...
270
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But I mean,
you can be involved in U.S. politics.
271
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But I live here.
I don't really know what's going on.
272
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Chicken soup.
273
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Sorry I don't know
more about the Q stuff.
274
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But, from what I understand,
the Q is not causing us any trouble.
275
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When Reddit banned QAnon,
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people started rallying
around this notion
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that some ideas are
kind of too dangerous.
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Dangerous ideas,
that's scary.
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That's a scary idea
to have dangerous ideas.
280
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Okay, let's take some kale.
Let's try putting some cream in it.
281
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I've had dangerous ideas
like my one idea was
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to round up all of the politicians
and then machine gun them.
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And then their replacements
come in
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and you round them all up
and machine gun them.
285
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And then the third round,
you tell them, you be good
286
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or I'm gonna machine gun you.
287
00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:54,270
And then, I was gonna vote Run
for President being Machine Gun Jim.
288
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But... Actually, I have no idea
if this is going to be good or not.
289
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Actually, that's pretty good.
290
00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:10,420
Yeah, I'm not
politically correct at all.
291
00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:22,890
Of course, I was curious
about the brewing tension
292
00:20:23,010 --> 00:20:25,180
that seemed to exist
between Jim and Fred.
293
00:20:25,260 --> 00:20:29,640
And wondered why Jim had decided
to subsidize 8chan in the first place.
294
00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:36,940
I agreed to help
295
00:20:37,030 --> 00:20:40,650
and then Fred agreed
to move here.
296
00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:45,240
And, I was nice to him.
I treated him well.
297
00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:50,870
And I took his broken website,
which was completely broken,
298
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,540
and my engineers
fixed his website.
299
00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:59,460
So, is everything okay
between you and Fred?
300
00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:03,010
We have a gentleman's
agreement on it
301
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that we would split
the profits 60-40.
302
00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:09,600
But there hasn't been
any profits yet.
303
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,390
Fred was still working with Jim
on his other projects,
304
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just not for 8chan.
305
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:18,190
I wish he would be involved with 8chan.
It might be more successful.
306
00:21:20,110 --> 00:21:24,280
Maybe he'll come back.
We'll have round two, fight!
307
00:21:25,570 --> 00:21:27,450
It could happen.
308
00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:38,420
So Fred, I know that being 8chan's
admin was super taxing,
309
00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,550
and I'm guessing if there are
any other moral dilemmas
310
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that are preventing you
from coming back to run 8chan.
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00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:48,850
As an American,
I grew up in school
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00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:53,440
and we're taught in school that one of
the things that makes America greater
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than all the other countries is
that we have real free speech
314
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and in other countries they have
libel laws and hate speech,
315
00:22:02,030 --> 00:22:04,030
and lots of obscenity laws.
316
00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:07,240
And, so that's something that's
just a cherished American value.
317
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,280
And I never really questioned that,
318
00:22:09,410 --> 00:22:12,450
and that was the kind of mentality
I opened 8chan with.
319
00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:17,580
But, you can't go three years
as 8chan's admin
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00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:20,420
seeing the reality
of total free speech
321
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:26,680
without having your faith in this
sacred concept shaken a little bit.
322
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:32,890
Even though 8chan
was home to Q,
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00:22:32,970 --> 00:22:36,520
most QAnon followers
never actually visited the site.
324
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,690
Instead, they would go to places
that collected Q's drops,
325
00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:42,610
like qmap.pub.
326
00:22:42,780 --> 00:22:46,530
These archival sites made
Q's messages easy to search,
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00:22:46,660 --> 00:22:52,160
expanding Q's reach while sanitizing
the darker realities of 8chan.
328
00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:00,960
ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA
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00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,710
I don't really go
on the boards. So...
330
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,760
I mean, it's a hard place to be.
331
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,350
Yeah. It's too chaotic.
332
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:12,640
Do you read Q drops
on 8chan,
333
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,270
or one of those sites
that collects the drops, like qmap?
334
00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:17,690
Oh, I know.
Yeah, exactly. I go to qmap.
335
00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:20,230
Are you on 8chan a lot?
336
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:24,190
Only if I have to be. That website
is a headache, I've got to say.
337
00:23:24,940 --> 00:23:27,950
It's not a place
for soft people.
338
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:30,120
It's not meant to be a place
for soft people.
339
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,740
It's not meant to be a place
for easily offended people.
340
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:35,040
It's a place for adults.
341
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,210
How do you deal with being
on 8chan as Christians?
342
00:23:38,290 --> 00:23:41,210
Well, thank God
my wife is not on 8chan.
343
00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:44,380
I've seen some of the threads.
344
00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:47,760
I've explained to her about that
there's pornographic stuff there.
345
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,390
There's gore, violence.
Like, literal graphic stuff.
346
00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:55,930
Like, they post�
There's child porn on there?
347
00:23:56,020 --> 00:23:57,270
They pull that down.
348
00:23:57,390 --> 00:23:59,440
They pull out anything that's illegal,
but it gets posted all the time.
349
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,980
- Really?
- Yeah.
350
00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:04,520
I didn't know that. I never heard
of that before. That's troublesome.
351
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:07,990
I just told her basically what was on
there and she kind of went, okay.
352
00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:12,740
Yes, I trust you. I don't want
to see it, but I trust you.
353
00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:15,330
And that's why I'm so thankful
to God he sent a wife
354
00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:20,830
that trusts me when I'm dealing
with this kind of evil sickness.
355
00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:27,010
And the person now administrating
this so-called evil sickness
356
00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:31,130
was Ron Watkins,
Jim's 30-something year-old son,
357
00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:33,680
who had just flown in
from Japan.
358
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,770
- This is the elevator power cord.
- No, it's not.
359
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:38,980
Don't run into
the elevator power cord.
360
00:24:39,060 --> 00:24:40,890
Welcome to 8chan headquarters.
361
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:44,810
This is 8chan headquarters.
Wheelchair accessible, right there.
362
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,570
Jim's command center
for his entrepreneurial efforts
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00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,160
was largely vacant
when we arrived.
364
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,120
- Pen 15 club, Frances?
- You have to give him a tattoo.
365
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,240
Wait, I think we gotta...
366
00:24:58,330 --> 00:24:59,500
There was a small studio
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00:24:59,620 --> 00:25:02,920
where they recorded content
for a news site called The Goldwater.
368
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,380
- No, we'll make you a badge here.
- Tattoo time. Tattoo.
369
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:08,170
I'm a member
of the Pen 15 club too.
370
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:11,760
- Welcome to the club.
- Welcome to the club.
371
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,050
The 8chan's servers were
in California,
372
00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:16,470
it's volunteers
scattered around the globe.
373
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,390
It's headquarters, essentially
wherever Ron carried a laptop.
374
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:26,520
Though it seems
some work did get done here.
375
00:25:26,610 --> 00:25:30,990
We don't have a serious bone
in our bodies.
376
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:34,820
Your documentary won't be
picked up by anybody
377
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:37,370
if we talk
the way we usually talk.
378
00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:39,700
How do you differ
from your son?
379
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:43,870
I don't differ from him.
We're like out of the same mold.
380
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,840
When he was 10 years-old,
he was sitting right next to me
381
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,670
with just a little black
Compaq computer he had.
382
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,010
I'm more of
an anti-social type person.
383
00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:57,550
I avoid social contact
as much as possible.
384
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,270
I prefer to spend my time
programming.
385
00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:02,640
I talk mostly with my dogs.
386
00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:08,270
- But your dog talks back.
- My dog does talk back.
387
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,030
I agreed to be interviewed
for this
388
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:14,950
because it's very important
to get the word out
389
00:26:15,030 --> 00:26:18,990
that, as the years go by,
390
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,830
more and more people are attacking
free speech online.
391
00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:25,460
And we need to do
all we can to defend it now
392
00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,330
while there's still time.
393
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:32,550
I'm more of like
the forgetful professor type.
394
00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:35,170
Like, I'm terrible at adding,
subtracting, multiplying, dividing.
395
00:26:35,260 --> 00:26:39,850
But, I'm really good
at very high level mathematics,
396
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:42,100
like Ph.D. level mathematics.
397
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,560
I'm able to use these mathematics
398
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,360
to build things that other people
are not able to comprehend.
399
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,230
- You're also known as Codemonkey?
- Oh, Codemonkey, correct.
400
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,030
There's a famous song from, I guess,
2005 called Codemonkey,
401
00:26:58,110 --> 00:27:00,950
and there's a music video
and you can find that on YouTube.
402
00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:05,540
And, I really liked the name and
then one day I was mining trip codes
403
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:08,080
and came across Odemonkey,
404
00:27:08,170 --> 00:27:12,340
so I added a C in the front,
and it became Codemonkey.
405
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:15,420
People approach me all the time
asking who Q is,
406
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:17,220
and I will say I don't know.
407
00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:19,680
He's just another 8chan user
408
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,010
and he's welcome to post on 8chan
as long as he wants.
409
00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:27,100
We don't know who Q is.
It's not me.
410
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,400
Might be you, right?
But it's not me.
411
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,900
Only Q would do a documentary
about himself, like...
412
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:38,490
You knew way more about it
than me. It's like, wow.
413
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:41,030
So, he posted
about six hours ago.
414
00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:45,330
And that does coincide
with this flurry of activity.
415
00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:48,540
About six hours ago.
Q even attacked me,
416
00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:52,170
and I had to set that
straight quickly.
417
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,630
While calling it an attack
might be an exaggeration,
418
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,380
Q had told Ron
to check his code,
419
00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:00,640
complained about being
locked out of the board,
420
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,640
and even asked Ron
for more resources.
421
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,060
Yeah, CM, which I assume, I mean,
that stands for Codemonkey.
422
00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:09,060
See, it says here
he has a team to secure,
423
00:28:09,140 --> 00:28:14,480
so from then I figured
Q was a team, right.
424
00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:19,070
I'm pretty sure Q is a spinoff
from Star Trek.
425
00:28:19,150 --> 00:28:21,610
The Q is a type
of security clearance
426
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,280
called the Q-Level Clearance.
427
00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:25,120
Yeah, I have one,
but I'm not Q.
428
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,330
You don't have
a Q-Level Clearance.
429
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:29,960
While Jim didn't have
a Q-level clearance,
430
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,670
he did have
a military background.
431
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:36,800
I started out as
a mess hall truck driver
432
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,010
and after that I went on
to Army recruiting,
433
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:43,050
and I did that
for about 10 years.
434
00:28:43,140 --> 00:28:47,390
And then I got out of that
and started my own company.
435
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:50,980
Jim discovered a niche online
436
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,230
where he could use
the laws of one country
437
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:55,730
to skirt around the laws
in another,
438
00:28:55,820 --> 00:28:59,110
which primed the pumps
for his next endeavor,
439
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:01,950
investing in image boards.
440
00:29:02,030 --> 00:29:05,530
The very first image boards
actually started in Japan,
441
00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:08,370
but they were heavily censored
due to Japanese law.
442
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,410
That would all change in 1999
443
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,960
when a Japanese college student
in America
444
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,590
named Hiroyuki Nishimura
created 2channel.
445
00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:21,300
2channel was named after the channel
that you turned your TV to
446
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:24,340
when hooking up an old
school video game console.
447
00:29:24,430 --> 00:29:26,600
Because the site was hosted
on American soil,
448
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,310
2channel was able to bring
unfettered free speech to Japan
449
00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:32,440
and it was insanely popular.
450
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,310
That's when Jim got involved.
451
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,530
Hiroyuki came to me and he said,
I can't afford to do this anymore.
452
00:29:39,610 --> 00:29:42,450
So we put some servers
in my data center
453
00:29:42,570 --> 00:29:44,450
and we put it online.
454
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,660
In 2003, America finally got
a taste of the chan culture
455
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:53,250
that its free speech laws
had helped to create.
456
00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:56,330
4chan!
457
00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:01,670
4chan's founder, Christopher Poole,
also known as Moot,
458
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,470
got his start at a comedic website
called Something Awful.
459
00:30:05,550 --> 00:30:08,890
Something Awful helped shape
meme culture as we know it,
460
00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:11,930
and when Moot created 4chan,
it preserved something
461
00:30:12,020 --> 00:30:16,480
that made the Internet
in the '90s special: anonymity.
462
00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:21,150
4chan had a few knockoffs,
including 420chan,
463
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,690
which focused more
on drug culture.
464
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:26,160
It was started by this guy,
Aubrey Cottle.
465
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,910
When 420chan started,
it was a damn joke.
466
00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:32,540
Like, it was 420,
we were fucking high as shit.
467
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:37,670
And we should register 420chan.
That'd be fucking funny.
468
00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:40,090
But Aubrey Cottle had
another claim to fame.
469
00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:43,210
He had cultivated the collective
of Internet hacktivists,
470
00:30:43,340 --> 00:30:46,510
keyboard warriors known
as none other than Anonymous.
471
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:52,560
Welcome. I am Anonymous 420.
472
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,100
We interrupt your YouTube time
to bring you this urgent news story.
473
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:58,480
Anonymous started
as a prankster collective
474
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,980
and users were organizing
to pull off
475
00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:03,320
comedic and sometimes
offensive stunts.
476
00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:05,950
Contrary to the assumptions
of the media,
477
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:09,240
Anonymous is not simply
a group of super hackers.
478
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,700
Anonymous is a collective of
individuals united by an awareness
479
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:14,750
that someone must do
the right thing,
480
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:18,080
that someone must bring light
to the darkness, that someone...
481
00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:22,040
But, as Anonymous evolved,
it became increasingly political.
482
00:31:22,170 --> 00:31:25,920
At first, they targeted individuals
on the wrong side of history,
483
00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:29,340
like talk show host
and Holocaust denier, Hal Turner.
484
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:31,010
Why are you listening
to this show?
485
00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:33,260
This is a show for white people.
Get out of here spic.
486
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:36,480
We DDoS'd him, we sent
countless pizzas to his house.
487
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,270
We signed him up for escorts
on Craigslist,
488
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,770
and basically we destroyed his
ability to pay for his radio show.
489
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:48,280
They went on
to target Scientology.
490
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,030
The extent of your malign influence
over those who have come to trust you
491
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,370
as leaders
has been made clear to us.
492
00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:58,910
Anonymous has therefore decided that
your organization should be destroyed.
493
00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:01,080
And even went after
the Federal Reserve.
494
00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:02,500
During the hack of the Fed,
495
00:32:02,590 --> 00:32:05,590
Anonymous stole the login credentials
of some 4,000 bankers
496
00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:06,840
from across the country.
497
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,930
All I remember is that all of us
were fucking terrified
498
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:15,640
that all of a sudden Anonymous was
just this big fucking global thing.
499
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,770
It just dramatically accelerated
from there.
500
00:32:18,850 --> 00:32:20,600
They went fully mainstream.
501
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,150
Havoc ensued,
and between 2011 and 2012,
502
00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:27,860
dozens of arrests happened
around the world
503
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:29,700
causing Anonymous to splinter.
504
00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:33,740
25 members of Anonymous
have been arrested across Europe.
505
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:36,870
And we're, like, freaking out
being oh fuck-oh fuck-oh fuck.
506
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:38,700
What did we do? Oh, Jesus.
507
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:42,540
After Anonymous faded
from the limelight,
508
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:46,750
in 2014 a controversy
known as GamerGate
509
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,590
exploded from the bowels of 4chan.
510
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:52,550
This new collective borrowed
from the tactics of Anonymous,
511
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,260
but had a very different agenda,
512
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:59,930
pushing back against
the feminist critique of video games.
513
00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:02,350
Yes, I followed GamerGate
from the very beginning.
514
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,770
I found it fascinating
and I fully supported it.
515
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:08,440
It was the first time
in many-many years
516
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:13,030
that a culture stood up
to feminist takeover and won.
517
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:16,160
They went after prominent
female game developers,
518
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,160
critics, and their associates.
519
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,450
And, using
the shield of anonymity,
520
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:23,710
users coordinated
harassment campaigns on 4chan.
521
00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:27,090
Instantly they dived
into find where she lives,
522
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:29,380
find where
where all these people live.
523
00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:33,630
What are we gonna do about her?
Can we hack her email? Like, instantly.
524
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,350
It's misogyny. It's misogyny.
It's in every game in sight.
525
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:43,270
But collectively, lessons
from Anonymous had been learned.
526
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:45,100
There were
no self-declared leaders.
527
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:48,650
There was no clear objective,
just male-driven vengeance
528
00:33:48,730 --> 00:33:52,900
under a collective banner:
gamer culture.
529
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:55,910
Just a matter of sort of the rage
530
00:33:55,990 --> 00:34:00,490
that gamers were having by being
abandoned by the industry
531
00:34:00,620 --> 00:34:03,040
that used to cater to them.
532
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,500
Mark Mann was essentially
the Godfather of GamerGate.
533
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,960
He oversaw the video game board
534
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:13,760
where anons would discuss tactics
for their harassment campaigns.
535
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,890
Was anyone ever doxed
in that process?
536
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:19,680
Well, yeah. It's the movement.
Everyone's gonna get doxxed.
537
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:22,100
So we have GamerGate.
538
00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:24,480
It started with ethics
in games journalism,
539
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,110
and that was co opted by people
leaning towards the right,
540
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:33,610
and then sort of pushing them toward
a liberal media is lying to you agenda.
541
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:37,450
And then that completely transformed
from there into the alt-right.
542
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:40,080
The first thing you lose
is all perspective.
543
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:46,120
It's like you're just constantly
surrounded by nothing but hate.
544
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,840
Christopher Poole decided that
that flavor of free speech,
545
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,750
too toxic for 4chan.
546
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,800
And in December of 2014,
547
00:34:56,930 --> 00:35:00,300
all mentions of GamerGate
were given the axe.
548
00:35:00,390 --> 00:35:05,810
4chan, the bastion of free speech,
was banning mentions of GamerGate.
549
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:09,020
Blame 4chan! Blame 4chan!
550
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,230
Freedom of speech must be dispersed!
My sensibilities must come first!
551
00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:19,950
And 4chan users weren't happy,
including Fred Brennan.
552
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:23,120
I think the media
just doesn't understand
553
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,950
that 4chan is heavily moderated.
554
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,880
There are rules.
Like, activism is banned on 4chan.
555
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,050
You can state your political beliefs
and have debates,
556
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:35,300
but when you start turning it
into action
557
00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:37,420
that's what gets banned on 4chan.
558
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:39,680
Fred was still a heavy 4chan user,
559
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,930
and the censorship of GamerGate
seemed to prove
560
00:35:42,010 --> 00:35:45,430
that speech on 4chan
really wasn't that free.
561
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,520
So, my philosophy, because I had gone
years just getting angrier and angrier
562
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,400
at the 4chan administration,
563
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,900
that anyway that I could hurt 4chan
was a good thing.
564
00:35:57,030 --> 00:36:00,360
Fortunately, or unfortunately,
565
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:03,780
he'd already created a space
that welcomed the controversy.
566
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:13,840
I thought, oh I had this big number
of refugees from 4chan.
567
00:36:14,590 --> 00:36:17,460
I'm gonna do everything I can
to support them
568
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:20,180
as an attack on 4chan.
569
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:27,810
In late 2014, that's when users
started flooding over to 8chan,
570
00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:32,270
to the video game board run
by Mark Mann.
571
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,360
I think what brought a lot of
people to 8chan was the fact
572
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,530
that it was unique. You know,
we promised better moderation,
573
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:44,740
a much more streamlined community
than what was on 4chan.
574
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:50,040
Around the time
that Anonymous splintered,
575
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,210
Jim and Hiroyuki
splintered as well.
576
00:36:53,290 --> 00:36:56,290
Jim claimed that Hiroyuki had
stopped paying the bills.
577
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:59,130
There would be battles
that play out in Japanese court,
578
00:36:59,260 --> 00:37:03,800
and Jim ultimately modifies the name
from 2channel to 5chan.
579
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:06,100
It's pretty crazy what Jim did.
580
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:08,770
I mean, he basically ran
the deeds office
581
00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:12,390
and just crossed off Hiroyuki's name
and put his own name.
582
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:18,610
Of course after this happened, Jim
and Hiroyuki became bitter rivals.
583
00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:22,280
That was fun.
584
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,990
It's around this time that Jim extends
his support to Frederick Brennan,
585
00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:31,580
as the owner of 8chan,
expanding Jim's reach to the U.S.
586
00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:34,790
Now, Hiroyuki, well,
he's a celebrity in Japan.
587
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,090
But, his celebrity status
didn't help him
588
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:39,380
in his numerous court cases
against Jim.
589
00:37:40,510 --> 00:37:43,380
So, there was only one real way
to get back at him,
590
00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:46,510
and the opportunity presented itself
when Chris Poole,
591
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,560
clean from the fallout
of GamerGate,
592
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,970
decided that he needed
to sell 4chan.
593
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:54,140
And, he sold it
to none other than Hiroyuki.
594
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,280
They had a falling out,
and Hiroyuki purchased 4chan.
595
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,530
I believe that was partly
to spite my father.
596
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:11,120
These methods of organizing
attacks and pranks
597
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,370
first popularized by Anonymous...
598
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:15,870
That someone must bring light
to the darkness.
599
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,580
...then used during GamerGate.
600
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:22,420
I can map out the entire family tree
starting from Something Awful.
601
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:26,180
There's a direct lineage
pointing right back to my shit.
602
00:38:26,260 --> 00:38:29,510
These methods, it seems
that they were just preludes
603
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,270
to what
would eventually become...
604
00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:36,520
QAnon.
605
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,780
Welcome back my friends.
606
00:38:42,860 --> 00:38:45,740
This is Dustin Nemos
of Dustinnemos.com.
607
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:47,530
I have something interesting
that just happened.
608
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:49,410
And you're not
going to believe it.
609
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:51,950
So I've been talking about how,
a couple times,
610
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,660
I'm not bragging or anything,
but I mentioned it once or twice
611
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:58,710
'cause it's interesting.
I was invited to speak on QAnon
612
00:38:58,790 --> 00:39:01,420
at the American Priority
Conference, in D.C.
613
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,550
The organizer reached out to me
and basically said,
614
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:08,930
I want to do a Q panel.
Would you come and participate?
615
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:10,470
And I was like, sure.
616
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:12,930
Up until now,
QAnons had organized online.
617
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:16,020
But for the first time ever,
key Q-tubers were stepping out
618
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:17,940
from behind their monitors
into the limelight.
619
00:39:20,650 --> 00:39:22,270
AMERICAN PRIORITY
Washington, DC Conference
620
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,360
The American Priority Conference
was created as an alternative.
621
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,660
So, this was supposed to be
this kind of vision of the new right,
622
00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:30,870
this Internet right.
623
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:33,240
The Clinton Foundation's
the next one that's coming up.
624
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:34,950
That's the next thing
that's gonna be the next...
625
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,210
I haven't even caught up
on all the drops yet from today.
626
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:40,790
We're fighting a war against evil
and people who eat babies.
627
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Craig James
from JustInformedTalk,
628
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:45,960
Dustin Nemos
from The Nemos News Network,
629
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,680
and future congressional candidate,
Deanna Lorraine,
630
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,430
were all scheduled to headline.
631
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:53,850
Not to mention, the infamous
political hitman, Roger Stone,
632
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:55,930
was slated to make
an appearance.
633
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,390
Operatives like Roger Stone
and General Flynn
634
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,480
understood the power
of information warfare.
635
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,230
Both having bolstered rumors
636
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:07,360
that a child sex dungeon existed
in the basement of a D.C. pizzeria
637
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:10,030
frequented
by their political opponents,
638
00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:13,120
even though no such dungeon
was ever found.
639
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,870
Now, what do you think? I've heard
rumors of restaurants here in D.C.
640
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,330
where you can go
down to the basement,
641
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:24,130
and they're serving kids
up to Saudi princes and stuff.
642
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:26,670
I haven't heard that one,
but I know,
643
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,220
it takes me back to the
Comet Ping Pong example, where...
644
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,760
That was where I got it from.
The Comet Ping Pong.
645
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,140
Do you talk about Q at all
in your posts?
646
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:36,890
Yes, I do. Absolutely, I...
647
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:39,520
Because Q kind of ties
everything together
648
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,440
and Q has people
wake up to the fact
649
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,860
that things that people in the media
have told us
650
00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:50,200
have been very much
indoctrination and lies.
651
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,120
You may understand now the power
of thousands and thousands of people
652
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,740
on the Internet directly...
653
00:40:56,870 --> 00:41:00,080
While the earliest promoter of QAnon,
Tracy Beanz,
654
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,580
was still allowed to speak,
655
00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:05,500
presumably because she was
no longer open to discussing QAnon,
656
00:41:05,590 --> 00:41:08,050
she presented
to an empty room.
657
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:10,630
The other Q-tubers
were given the boot.
658
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:13,010
We were gonna speak
on the QAnon issue
659
00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:17,220
as it applies
to the overall MAGA movement.
660
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:21,310
And they uninvited us
for that purpose.
661
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:26,810
Someone's pulling some strings
to force him to disinvite us.
662
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:30,900
I actually wrote an article
about that QAnon panel
663
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:33,490
and how it was planned to happen,
664
00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:38,160
and then highlighted some of the
bigger speakers they had at the time.
665
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:42,120
And after that article came out,
the QAnon panel was cancelled.
666
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,420
Q is not popular among
a lot of the alt-leftist media people.
667
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:53,680
A lot of them build about half
of their audience on bashing Q.
668
00:41:56,970 --> 00:41:58,850
It doesn't matter
if they want to de-platform me,
669
00:41:58,930 --> 00:42:00,850
we're still getting the word out.
670
00:42:00,930 --> 00:42:07,270
Q gives you a great deal of power
in a way by using your platform.
671
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,820
- Correct.
- Why do you think Q trusts you?
672
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:15,820
I don't know that Q trusts me.
He might not trust me.
673
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:19,620
Many people are putting
a lot of faith and hope into Q,
674
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:22,080
and hoping
that what he's saying is real
675
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,830
and is going to change
the course of history.
676
00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:27,920
Do you think Q is seeking infamy?
677
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,380
Evelyn Hall once said,
I disapprove of what you're saying,
678
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:36,590
but I'll defend to the death
your right to say it.
679
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,260
I don't agree, and I don't disagree
with what Q is saying.
680
00:42:40,350 --> 00:42:45,940
But I really appreciate that he's
using 8chan to get his message out.
681
00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:50,310
And do you seek infamy?
682
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,480
I don't seek infamy.
But I will embrace it.
683
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:56,240
What about your dad?
684
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,120
I can't speak for him,
but he's a character.
685
00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:10,460
I've been blessed
with a really good life
686
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:14,760
and I have a lot of fun.
687
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,550
This is what I do for fun.
I play with pens.
688
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:21,680
When you put in
a cartridge like this,
689
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,560
you want to flick it a little bit
690
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,690
like you're flicking
a spitball in class.
691
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,900
And that one'll be able
to write shortly. Okay.
692
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:42,870
Jim mentioned
that he has another hobby: pigs.
693
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,660
To visit his farm, we would need
to make a lengthy drive
694
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:49,330
into the jungle
on the outskirts of Manila.
695
00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:56,460
The pig farm was
a place of legend on 8chan.
696
00:43:56,590 --> 00:44:01,930
Users like to speculate that it was
where Jim disposed of his enemies.
697
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,980
The pig farm is an active business.
698
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:12,900
It's where we get rid
of the bad users.
699
00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:14,650
No.
700
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,030
- Did I say that?
- No.
701
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:22,280
Despite all the rumors
about Jim's farm,
702
00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:24,580
I still had a hard time imagining
703
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:27,910
that he was going
to feed me to the pigs.
704
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:34,290
So, why did you end up
taking over as admin?
705
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:39,630
Fredrick was growing irritated
and discontent with the site.
706
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,220
It grew too fast,
and it outgrew the software.
707
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,680
They weren't able to figure out
how to grow it.
708
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,060
And so I devised
a way to scale it.
709
00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:51,730
And my method worked,
710
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:56,360
and we were able to scale 8chan
to the size it is now.
711
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,200
I'm so happy that you were able
to interview Fred, though.
712
00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:04,070
'Cause that's,
like, proof of life
713
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,580
'cause people have accused me
of killing him.
714
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:12,790
And of course I didn't.
He's a friend of mine, you know.
715
00:45:13,790 --> 00:45:15,960
Do you think you're their enemy
at this point?
716
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,420
I don't think I'm their enemy, no.
Not at all.
717
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:20,880
Definitely there's been some
disagreements over the years
718
00:45:20,970 --> 00:45:23,510
and definitely
we have our differences.
719
00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:26,680
But, if it was true, I would have
already been fed to the pigs.
720
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,430
So, it's not true.
721
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:36,520
Maybe 25 percent of 8chan
is paid for by pigs.
722
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,860
With your weapon in your hand,
723
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:47,200
I'm gonna be a fighting man.
724
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,330
Sebastian is my stud.
725
00:45:52,410 --> 00:45:55,290
We don't do
artificial insemination here.
726
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:58,960
We do it natural
and he's a lover not a fighter.
727
00:45:59,050 --> 00:46:01,590
He's a wonderful lover.
And they love him, too.
728
00:46:01,710 --> 00:46:05,380
Over here we got his girlfriends.
This is his harem.
729
00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:11,810
71, two, three, four, five.
Seventy-five.
730
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:17,400
I have 75 piglets
and weaners.
731
00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:19,980
They're weaning.
732
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:29,490
I'm gonna build a house up here,
733
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:32,450
and I'm gonna make this
my private yoga studio.
734
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,250
That data center is in here.
735
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:47,130
Running an image board
is not for the faint of heart.
736
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:52,770
I'm being attacked every day
from all different angles,
737
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:56,440
so you have to have thick skin
and not care what they talk about.
738
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,270
I've had a lot of mental training
739
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,820
and I've spent
many years meditating.
740
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:07,700
And I used to stay in a monastery.
741
00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:11,490
I learned a lot about
how to try to kill the ego,
742
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:14,410
or even
just work around the ego.
743
00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:20,250
And, because of that, words
from other people attacking me
744
00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:24,670
or saying terrible things about me
does not bother me at all.
745
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:31,100
So, I usually avoid drama
as much as I can.
746
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:35,640
It's just high stress,
and I don't need all that stress.
747
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,610
Excuse me, Pol. Yan...
748
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:55,790
So, who do you think brought
this Q to your apartment?
749
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:58,500
How did this arrive?
I just found it one day.
750
00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:03,750
I wrote up a report
as soon as it happened, but...
751
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:05,590
Where was it?
752
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:08,470
It was on... Where was it?
753
00:48:08,590 --> 00:48:11,760
I think it was just on my desk.
It was a long time ago.
754
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,100
I don't really remember
the details anymore.
755
00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:17,980
And Q had posted at some point
that he was going to thank,
756
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:20,940
I don't know if it was
the creators of 8chan or the...
757
00:48:21,060 --> 00:48:25,520
Right, he said he was going to send
a message to the 8chan administrators.
758
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:29,070
I came back. I saw it.
759
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:31,780
And I thought it was really weird
and I just looked at it,
760
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:34,660
and then I just posted it online.
761
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,500
I wrote, this could be something
or this could be nothing.
762
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:44,880
I thought it would be funny to say,
oh, it could be from the real Q.
763
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,420
And, weirdly enough,
Q never repudiated that.
764
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:53,050
I'm one of the Q proofs.
765
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:57,430
They believe Q put the Q
in my room.
766
00:48:59,310 --> 00:49:03,650
But, it's not like bad gift
or anything.
767
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:06,690
It's a good gift for me.
I design fonts, so...
768
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,280
The Q is my favorite letter.
769
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,910
And it always has been
since I was a kid.
770
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:17,370
When you're a typographer,
771
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:20,830
you're always fighting between making
sure people can read the letter
772
00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:22,960
and then your own artistic intent.
773
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,960
So, Q gives you the most freedom.
774
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,300
There are so many ways
to put the tail of the Q.
775
00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:31,470
You can have it bisecting.
776
00:49:31,630 --> 00:49:34,510
You can have it only inside,
so none of this part.
777
00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:36,720
You can have it totally outside.
778
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:40,310
You can have it touching,
or you can write it as a two.
779
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:43,310
So, it gives a typographer
a lot of freedom
780
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,270
when they're designing a font.
781
00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:48,400
And I'm not sure
if any other letter does that.
782
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,860
You do have an unbelievable
amount of Qs in here.
783
00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:53,280
Thank you.
784
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:59,410
Yeah, this,
it's as if your room is just Qs.
785
00:49:59,490 --> 00:50:01,540
Back when I first got
the blue Q,
786
00:50:01,660 --> 00:50:06,330
QAnons, they would send me
Qs to be like, thank you.
787
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:09,340
'Cause, like, they saw
the blue Q as a sign.
788
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:12,420
So, not all of these Qs
are actually bought by me.
789
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:15,970
And, I never acknowledged
any of the Qs that came here.
790
00:50:16,090 --> 00:50:18,180
But you didn't get rid
of them either.
791
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:19,850
That's true, yeah.
792
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,230
Do you think it's possible
that Frederick Brennan is Q?
793
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,150
I think Frederick Brennan
could be Q,
794
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,280
but having an object
does not mean
795
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,160
you are the person
associated with that object.
796
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:45,080
Example,
here's a MAGA hat, right?
797
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:48,080
Does that mean I'm Trump?
Obviously, I'm not Trump,
798
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:51,210
even though I have
the same hat that Trump wears.
799
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:54,170
There are a million of those,
and I've only seen one...
800
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:57,050
There are millions of Qs, also.
801
00:50:59,510 --> 00:51:01,970
This is my man cave.
802
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:04,350
So, what goes
down in this room?
803
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:07,520
This is where it all happens.
804
00:51:09,310 --> 00:51:14,280
I am Jim Watkins
and I will dance on command.
805
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:18,990
I do lap dances for 50 bucks.
You want me to turn this off?
806
00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:21,200
That pen cleaner's about
the noisiest thing I've ever heard.
807
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,700
You can hear this?
I can't hear this at all.
808
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:30,420
And, so, is this where you log
into 8chan usually?
809
00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:36,470
I usually don't go to boards
that are not public
810
00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:38,180
'cause you get there,
811
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,140
and you get things
you want to unsee.
812
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:44,350
But you don't have access
to the Q board?
813
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:48,390
What is the URL?
What is the...
814
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,690
We can go to the Q board.
815
00:51:50,770 --> 00:51:53,320
The Q research board
is hidden,
816
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,280
meaning it wouldn't show up
on 8chan's main page.
817
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,650
You had to know where to look.
818
00:51:57,740 --> 00:52:00,490
You could be directed there
by a link from another site,
819
00:52:00,610 --> 00:52:04,080
or type Q research
into the browser.
820
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,370
Q...
821
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:12,830
- Research? Q research?
- Research, okay.
822
00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:19,590
It's weird that one of the most popular
things on 8chan and you're like...
823
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:24,220
But how would I know it's the
most popular thing? It's not listed.
824
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:27,220
Q has something like 2500 posts
at this point.
825
00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:30,480
- Have you read them all?
- I read a lot of them.
826
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,860
Tell me about it
and I'll tell you what my opinion is.
827
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,190
One of the big ones is that there's
all these sealed indictments.
828
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:41,240
Hilary and John McCain,
they're all arrested already
829
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,780
and wearing ankle bracelets.
830
00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:48,580
That's possible. I think they have
secret courts in America, don't they?
831
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,580
November 11th was supposed
to be this big day.
832
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:56,210
11-11. That's one, one, one, one.
833
00:52:56,290 --> 00:53:00,010
One more one
if you count the one in the 18.
834
00:53:00,090 --> 00:53:04,180
But, everything
that Q has said has come true
835
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:06,850
in some potential future.
836
00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:14,650
And all of those unlimited futures
have or are happening.
837
00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:17,860
Just you can only experience
one of them.
838
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:21,360
See, now you are starting
to sound like Q.
839
00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:26,580
Obviously, if there's so many people
reading this Q research,
840
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:30,200
I don't think that this is a LARP.
It's too big for that.
841
00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:35,500
But who it is and if he's actually
an insider at the White House,
842
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:38,340
that's up in the air.
843
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:43,720
Do you think it's possible
that your dad is part of Q?
844
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,720
It's impossible. Yeah, he would
have bragged about it already.
845
00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:52,350
He seems like he would be good
at keeping a secret.
846
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:54,270
It's a big world, you know.
847
00:53:54,350 --> 00:53:58,980
Maybe he's just some
overtired, overstressed,
848
00:53:59,070 --> 00:54:03,150
middle GS-5
from the White House
849
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,240
that's like, "I got an idea."
850
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,240
Q's a big fan of General Flynn,
so probably someone really...
851
00:54:08,330 --> 00:54:11,410
General Flynn? Yeah,
and he got burnt for no reason,
852
00:54:11,490 --> 00:54:14,000
didn't he? Poor guy.
853
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,550
I found out more about it today
than I actually knew about it before.
854
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:24,590
I haven't been keeping up
on politics for awhile
855
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:28,260
'cause I I've been busy working
on important things.
856
00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:30,180
He worked in the military
for awhile,
857
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:33,730
so I believe they do stuff
that needs to be kept secret.
858
00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:36,140
What is a Q-level clearance?
859
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:39,770
I was in the Army 16 years and
I never had a Q-level clearance.
860
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:41,110
I don't know what that is.
861
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:44,690
Q, if he is who he is,
862
00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:46,910
he would surely know
a lot about the military.
863
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:49,620
And my dad knows
a lot about the military.
864
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:53,830
Probably it's they're military
talking points, maybe.
865
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:57,370
When I was in the academy,
the commandant said
866
00:54:57,460 --> 00:55:01,540
you're the most civilianized
motherfucker I ever let graduate.
867
00:55:01,630 --> 00:55:04,510
It's possible, I guess, that
he could be Q. But I doubt it,
868
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:07,550
'cause he's so busy working
on the pig farm now.
869
00:55:07,630 --> 00:55:11,930
Do you think it would be dangerous
for Q to reveal themself, or herself?
870
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:17,060
Probably, yeah.
Has he done anything illegal?
871
00:55:18,730 --> 00:55:22,110
You can definitively say then
that you are not a part of Q?
872
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:25,740
I am not a part of Q.
873
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,450
Don't arrest me.
874
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,410
How do you think
you differ from your father?
875
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,040
How do I differ?
876
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,130
I don't, I'm not autistic
about pens, for one.
877
00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:47,880
After spending several days with Jim,
something came to mind.
878
00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:50,760
Pen board
usually has one user. Me.
879
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,810
Q uses a pen
to confirm its identity.
880
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:59,810
A 1500-dollar
Mont Blanc Starwalker pen
881
00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:02,980
that supposedly belongs
to Donald Trump.
882
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:09,280
Q first introduced the pen
on December 12th of 2017,
883
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,160
then Q returns after the power
struggle on January 5th.
884
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:16,040
What does Q use to confirm?
885
00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:19,660
That same pen.
886
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:29,130
Why does Q choose a pen of
all things to confirm its identity?
887
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:33,300
This is my hobby, yeah.
This is what I do for fun.
888
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:37,220
That is from France.
889
00:56:37,310 --> 00:56:39,890
So, we'll let that sit
for a little while.
890
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:42,100
Are there a lot of pen collectors
out there?
891
00:56:42,190 --> 00:56:44,770
There are millions of pen collectors
out there.
892
00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:47,400
I love this pen.
This is my favorite pen.
76076
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