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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:05,710 --> 00:00:07,581 (man grunting) 3 00:00:07,581 --> 00:00:10,164 (bag thudding) 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:17,301 --> 00:00:19,712 (applauding) 6 00:00:19,712 --> 00:00:21,760 - [Narrator] In 1975, in the Philippines, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,100 two warriors, Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, 8 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:28,339 had already fought a bitter head-to-head contest. 9 00:00:28,339 --> 00:00:31,339 (suspenseful music) 10 00:00:33,688 --> 00:00:36,480 (applauding) 11 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:38,725 Three years after the Thrilla in Manila, 12 00:00:38,725 --> 00:00:42,853 Karpov and Korchnoi were to fight the Battle of Baguio. 13 00:00:46,106 --> 00:00:48,180 - It wasn't just the ideological battle, 14 00:00:48,180 --> 00:00:50,511 it was a major clash of personalities. 15 00:00:50,511 --> 00:00:52,678 (ticking) 16 00:00:53,805 --> 00:00:55,730 Korchnoi and Karpov hated each other. 17 00:00:55,730 --> 00:00:57,311 They loathed each other. 18 00:00:57,311 --> 00:01:00,300 (ticking) 19 00:01:00,300 --> 00:01:03,231 - Just a clear demonstration of KGB dirty tricks. 20 00:01:03,231 --> 00:01:05,981 (crowd chanting) 21 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:10,400 - Viktor had no doubts he would be assassinated. 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,220 - So if you were going to write a movie script, 23 00:01:12,220 --> 00:01:13,763 you couldn't have done it better. 24 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:41,840 - They have been spying on me 25 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,930 ever since I landed at the airport. 26 00:01:43,930 --> 00:01:45,327 (laughing) 27 00:01:45,327 --> 00:01:47,180 Everywhere I go, they spy on me! 28 00:01:47,180 --> 00:01:49,930 Everywhere I go, they spy on me. 29 00:01:49,930 --> 00:01:53,253 - The whole Red Army against me. 30 00:01:53,253 --> 00:01:56,253 (suspenseful music) 31 00:01:57,660 --> 00:02:00,220 - Chess has been viewed since Stalin's time 32 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:05,220 as an intellectual tool to demonstrate the superiority, 33 00:02:05,660 --> 00:02:06,810 intellectual superiority, 34 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:09,630 of Communist regime over the decadent West. 35 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:13,100 - In the Soviet Union, there was a number of things 36 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:16,523 that the society prized above many others: 37 00:02:17,410 --> 00:02:18,243 poetry, 38 00:02:19,260 --> 00:02:20,703 ballet, 39 00:02:20,703 --> 00:02:22,410 chess. 40 00:02:22,410 --> 00:02:25,180 These three areas that the Soviets 41 00:02:25,180 --> 00:02:27,930 absolutely prided themselves on, 42 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:30,990 invested billions of rubles, 43 00:02:30,990 --> 00:02:33,500 in the West were virtually overlooked. 44 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:37,630 - The Soviets weren't interested in chess per se, 45 00:02:37,630 --> 00:02:40,530 they were interested in winning. 46 00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:43,920 - It was a part of propaganda. 47 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:45,600 - Chess was held in such high esteem. 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,820 There was this system of what was called Pioneer Houses, 49 00:02:48,820 --> 00:02:50,510 and every district of a large city, 50 00:02:50,510 --> 00:02:51,630 and then smaller cities as well, 51 00:02:51,630 --> 00:02:53,649 there would be a Pioneer House with a chess coach. 52 00:02:53,649 --> 00:02:56,110 - They had the best books, they had best trainers, 53 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:57,864 they had the best tournaments, 54 00:02:57,864 --> 00:03:02,220 and it all led to this Soviet Chess School. 55 00:03:02,220 --> 00:03:04,220 - After the second World War, they changed the title 56 00:03:04,220 --> 00:03:06,300 amongst themselves, it was internal business, 57 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:08,020 and while the rest of the world admired their chess, 58 00:03:08,020 --> 00:03:10,063 there was nothing much more we could do about it. 59 00:03:10,929 --> 00:03:14,088 (speaking foreign language) 60 00:03:14,088 --> 00:03:16,505 (jazz music) 61 00:03:26,490 --> 00:03:28,887 - This was this intellectual prize 62 00:03:28,887 --> 00:03:31,720 that the Soviets possessed, 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,450 and they absolutely were determined to keep it. 64 00:03:35,450 --> 00:03:38,110 - Which is why all the people who were in control 65 00:03:38,110 --> 00:03:41,060 in the Soviet Union, in the Soviet Chess Federation, 66 00:03:41,060 --> 00:03:43,100 were not chess players. 67 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:45,510 They were people from the party from the KGB. 68 00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:48,687 - If they think you didn't perform up to your potential, 69 00:03:48,687 --> 00:03:52,580 they could punish you by many different ways. 70 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:56,610 - It just happened silently 71 00:03:56,610 --> 00:04:00,170 and nobody would object or complain, 72 00:04:00,170 --> 00:04:05,170 because to object or complain would be dangerous. 73 00:04:05,543 --> 00:04:08,940 - There was a tradition in Soviet chess 74 00:04:08,940 --> 00:04:10,900 of failure being punished, 75 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:14,118 and when Taimanov lost 6-0 to Fischer, 76 00:04:14,118 --> 00:04:16,913 he had all sorts of state privileges withdrawn. 77 00:04:18,020 --> 00:04:23,020 - In 1972, Bobby Fischer, Boris Spassky meet. 78 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:27,825 It's the Capitalist, the Communist, the Cold War. 79 00:04:27,825 --> 00:04:30,040 (crowd cheers) 80 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,620 - Fischer was really a lonesome hero of the West, 81 00:04:32,620 --> 00:04:35,702 fighting against the whole system. 82 00:04:35,702 --> 00:04:37,370 - [Narrator] Fischer lost the first game 83 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:39,500 due to an inexplicable blunder, 84 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:40,600 and blamed the whirring sound 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,150 of nearby cameras for his loss. 86 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:45,044 When he failed to appear for the second game, 87 00:04:45,044 --> 00:04:47,800 because he wanted the cameras removed, 88 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,340 the KGB sent Boris Spassky a telegram, 89 00:04:50,340 --> 00:04:51,990 ordering him to return to Moscow. 90 00:04:53,020 --> 00:04:55,150 The KGB wanted to abandon the match 91 00:04:55,150 --> 00:04:57,150 and retain the World Championship title. 92 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,830 Spassky, however, refused the KGB's order. 93 00:05:01,830 --> 00:05:05,006 When Fischer returned to play and win the third game, 94 00:05:05,006 --> 00:05:08,770 the Soviets had lost the off-the-board contest. 95 00:05:08,770 --> 00:05:10,797 Spassky then went on to lose the match 96 00:05:10,797 --> 00:05:12,447 and the World Chess Championship. 97 00:05:13,850 --> 00:05:15,860 - Losing the match to an American, 98 00:05:15,860 --> 00:05:18,670 almost a hippie-like player, an individual, 99 00:05:18,670 --> 00:05:21,130 that was a big blow to the Soviet authorities. 100 00:05:21,130 --> 00:05:23,190 - When Spassky lost to Fischer, 101 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:26,190 he found himself feeling very uncomfortable in the USSR. 102 00:05:26,190 --> 00:05:27,170 - They had the rule 103 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:32,000 that the prizes were not taxed, 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,973 and so Spassky received full amount, 105 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:41,200 which was, even for leaders of the country, 106 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,517 it was huge amount. 107 00:05:43,737 --> 00:05:45,620 Then he was not very modest, 108 00:05:45,620 --> 00:05:49,153 so he created waves against him. 109 00:05:49,153 --> 00:05:51,640 - The Russians really learned from their loss to Fischer. 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,363 They decided that you could no longer take prisoners. 111 00:05:55,278 --> 00:05:57,370 (applauding) 112 00:05:57,370 --> 00:05:59,270 - [Narrator] Six years later, the world's press 113 00:05:59,270 --> 00:06:02,120 would again be camped at another Word Chess Championship. 114 00:06:03,700 --> 00:06:06,525 But this time, its roots were in another war. 115 00:06:06,525 --> 00:06:08,499 (bombs whistling) 116 00:06:08,499 --> 00:06:09,833 The Second World War, (cannons firing) 117 00:06:09,833 --> 00:06:11,864 and the Siege of Leningrad, 118 00:06:11,864 --> 00:06:13,220 (loud explosions) 119 00:06:13,220 --> 00:06:15,000 where a young Viktor Korchnoi 120 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,920 faced starvation and death every day. 121 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,610 - In 1937, his father teached him to play chess. 122 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:24,370 He was six years old. 123 00:06:24,370 --> 00:06:29,010 His father died in the Russian army in November 1941, 124 00:06:30,630 --> 00:06:33,120 and he was very often alone. 125 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,410 God knows where his mother was, 126 00:06:35,410 --> 00:06:38,810 and sometimes his stepmother went 127 00:06:38,810 --> 00:06:42,620 to the death relatives of the family 128 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:46,933 just to take the coupons for bread. 129 00:06:49,690 --> 00:06:51,560 - He was starving there, 130 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,433 and no doubt it had very big impact on him. 131 00:06:54,433 --> 00:06:58,925 - It's very hard, if not simply impossible, 132 00:06:58,925 --> 00:07:02,150 to separate Viktor the person 133 00:07:02,150 --> 00:07:04,830 from Viktor the chess competitor, 134 00:07:04,830 --> 00:07:08,023 because he lived for chess. 135 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:11,780 - He could not live without chess. 136 00:07:11,780 --> 00:07:14,210 He could not even breathe without chess. 137 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:15,043 - It was everything. 138 00:07:15,043 --> 00:07:17,060 It was water, oxygen, and without that, 139 00:07:17,060 --> 00:07:18,930 he would probably die. 140 00:07:18,930 --> 00:07:21,517 - When he wrote Chess Is My Life, 141 00:07:21,517 --> 00:07:24,230 that basically summed it up. 142 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:27,416 - He had in life, only chess. 143 00:07:27,416 --> 00:07:29,810 He had some other interests, but still, 144 00:07:29,810 --> 00:07:32,170 the main interest, 100%, was chess. 145 00:07:32,170 --> 00:07:34,499 - He also found it a bit confusing that other people 146 00:07:34,499 --> 00:07:38,240 weren't quite as passionate about chess as he was. 147 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,080 - Viktor consumed vast amounts of time 148 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,580 trying to find the best move. 149 00:07:44,580 --> 00:07:46,340 - And during that time, 150 00:07:46,340 --> 00:07:50,680 his senses are like a Ferrari in fifth gear. 151 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,680 - What Korchnoi did is to show that it's a fight. 152 00:07:55,956 --> 00:07:58,310 It doesn't matter if you're better or worse. 153 00:07:58,310 --> 00:07:59,810 - He liked chaos. 154 00:07:59,810 --> 00:08:02,970 It was, in his hands, it was probably controlled chaos, 155 00:08:02,970 --> 00:08:04,100 but it was still chaos. 156 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:09,021 - He would accept bad positions for the sheer mental energy 157 00:08:09,021 --> 00:08:11,020 of solving the problem, getting out of it, 158 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:11,900 and perhaps even winning. 159 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:16,900 - Korchnoi belongs to a small group of big chess players. 160 00:08:18,290 --> 00:08:22,083 But Batynik needed to hate the opponent, 161 00:08:22,083 --> 00:08:26,707 and Korchnoi was clear follower of Batynik. 162 00:08:26,707 --> 00:08:29,500 - One of Korchnoi's nicknames was Viktor the Terrible. 163 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:31,200 He was so provocative. 164 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,180 - For him, chess definitely was a form 165 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:34,470 of psychological warfare. 166 00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:36,480 - Like a dragon or something. 167 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,437 Could be very quiet, but as soon as you would tickle him, 168 00:08:39,437 --> 00:08:41,550 then a fire coming from his mouth! 169 00:08:41,550 --> 00:08:43,470 - Steam coming out of his ears. 170 00:08:43,470 --> 00:08:47,050 I mean, he was huffing and puffing 171 00:08:47,050 --> 00:08:50,560 and smacking the pieces down on the board. 172 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,350 - I have played Korchnoi many times, 173 00:08:52,350 --> 00:08:53,539 and have been irritated by him 174 00:08:53,539 --> 00:08:55,790 the same number of times I've played him. 175 00:08:55,790 --> 00:08:58,650 - I managed to beat him and he shook my hand 176 00:08:58,650 --> 00:09:01,682 with absolute disgust and disdain. 177 00:09:01,682 --> 00:09:04,757 Everything about his body language said, 178 00:09:04,757 --> 00:09:07,021 "How can I lose to you?" 179 00:09:07,021 --> 00:09:09,340 - He was very bad loser. 180 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:10,930 When he was losing his games, 181 00:09:10,930 --> 00:09:13,180 he started insulting his opponent. 182 00:09:13,180 --> 00:09:15,113 - He said, "What is it?" 183 00:09:15,113 --> 00:09:18,890 And I said, "Well, I'm a pawn up." 184 00:09:18,890 --> 00:09:22,292 He said, "Pawns, pawns are for schoolboys." 185 00:09:22,292 --> 00:09:23,412 - He looked at me and he said, 186 00:09:23,412 --> 00:09:27,367 "Young man, you're a very superficial chess player 187 00:09:27,367 --> 00:09:29,500 "and I could've beaten you if I wanted." 188 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:32,400 - Korchnoi played Mohammed Al-Modiahki, 189 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,115 the Qatari Grandmaster, and he leant across the board 190 00:09:36,115 --> 00:09:38,607 and said, "Do you speak English?" 191 00:09:38,607 --> 00:09:40,517 To which he replied, "Yes." 192 00:09:40,517 --> 00:09:43,658 And he said, "Then why don't you resign?" 193 00:09:43,658 --> 00:09:45,350 (chuckles) 194 00:09:45,350 --> 00:09:47,380 - How can you say something like this? 195 00:09:47,380 --> 00:09:51,490 Even to your worst enemy, you don't interrupt he thinking. 196 00:09:51,490 --> 00:09:53,020 - Sometimes Korchnoi went too far, 197 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:55,470 but it's because of his passion. 198 00:09:55,470 --> 00:09:57,540 - Destroying whoever was sitting in front of him 199 00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:58,830 was very much part of it, 200 00:09:58,830 --> 00:10:00,850 but I thought it was a badge of honour. 201 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:03,833 - Viktor Korchnoi the Terrible, indeed. 202 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,770 - But everything for his chess career. 203 00:10:07,770 --> 00:10:10,180 He could sacrifice everything for that. 204 00:10:10,180 --> 00:10:15,180 He became a member of Communist Party in 1965. 205 00:10:15,930 --> 00:10:20,910 And the other Grandmasters, 206 00:10:20,910 --> 00:10:23,906 or a lot of other Grandmasters, 207 00:10:23,906 --> 00:10:25,170 they didn't. 208 00:10:25,170 --> 00:10:28,130 - If you think of any adjective to describe Viktor, 209 00:10:28,130 --> 00:10:29,540 think of the opposite adjective 210 00:10:29,540 --> 00:10:32,070 and you've probably got Karpov. 211 00:10:32,070 --> 00:10:33,950 (thoughtful music) 212 00:10:33,950 --> 00:10:35,670 - [Narrator] Anatoly Karpov, or Tolya, 213 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:39,430 as he was affectionately nicknamed, was 20 years younger. 214 00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:41,480 He was also a child of the new, 215 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,401 post-Stalin Russia under Khrushchev. 216 00:10:44,401 --> 00:10:46,870 - He had very good first trainer. 217 00:10:46,870 --> 00:10:50,590 It was maybe always replacement of father. 218 00:10:50,590 --> 00:10:52,210 It was Mr Furman. 219 00:10:52,210 --> 00:10:57,200 - When he came onto the scene, Anatoly Karpov played 220 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,680 with remarkable speed. 221 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,313 There was no one like him. 222 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,930 - 1970, he becomes World Junior Champion. 223 00:11:04,930 --> 00:11:07,540 1971, he wins, along with Leonid Stein, 224 00:11:07,540 --> 00:11:10,440 his first super tournament being only 20 years old. 225 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,320 1973, he shares with Korchnoi 226 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,803 first-second in an interzonal tournament. 227 00:11:14,803 --> 00:11:16,843 - New star is born. 228 00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:19,740 - No one could really touch him during that time. 229 00:11:19,740 --> 00:11:23,610 You know he just dominated the chess world. 230 00:11:23,610 --> 00:11:25,930 - He was the ideal Soviet citizen. 231 00:11:25,930 --> 00:11:27,910 Like their first cosmonaut, someone like this. 232 00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:29,730 People had posters of him on their wall at home, 233 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:31,220 boys and girls. 234 00:11:31,220 --> 00:11:34,430 - From a very young age, he was in the front yard 235 00:11:34,430 --> 00:11:36,740 of this Communist Youth Movement. 236 00:11:36,740 --> 00:11:40,030 He just always played this role of our boy. 237 00:11:40,030 --> 00:11:42,660 - Karpov was a loyal soldier of the Communist Party. 238 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:45,015 He found it more accommodating to be loyal 239 00:11:45,015 --> 00:11:49,660 and receive all the benefits of the superstar. 240 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:53,220 - I don't know whether Karpov was KGB agent, 241 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:58,220 but I'm pretty sure he was a faithful son of his motherland. 242 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:01,890 - He's been called the Ice Man. 243 00:12:01,890 --> 00:12:06,403 He's cool, calculated, avoids risks wherever he can. 244 00:12:06,403 --> 00:12:09,950 - When I've been interviewing Karpov during a tournament, 245 00:12:09,950 --> 00:12:11,670 you have to struggle a little bit 246 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:13,640 to get a good soundbite out of him. 247 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,524 - Stylistically, they said he's a dull player. 248 00:12:16,524 --> 00:12:18,670 I don't think he was dull at all. 249 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:20,970 - In a way, Magnus Carlsen play now 250 00:12:20,970 --> 00:12:23,030 reminds me very much young Karpov. 251 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:25,130 He had unprecedented feeling 252 00:12:25,130 --> 00:12:27,653 for how to put pieces in support. 253 00:12:28,820 --> 00:12:31,330 - He'd play a few moves and you'll play a few moves, 254 00:12:31,330 --> 00:12:33,760 and then suddenly you're a bit worse, 255 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,340 and you're not quite sure how it happened. 256 00:12:37,340 --> 00:12:39,860 - Karpov is not even so interested in his own plan, 257 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:42,870 but he will keep on foiling yours. 258 00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:45,330 - You give him a chance, he immediately grabs the chance. 259 00:12:45,330 --> 00:12:47,700 Whatever happened one move ago, he doesn't care. 260 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:49,440 So he starts playing from scratch. 261 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,480 This is kind of a machine-like quality. 262 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,500 - Even when he was very short on time, 263 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,210 not only good moves, it was the best moves. 264 00:12:57,210 --> 00:12:59,340 - When you get into very unusual schemes, 265 00:12:59,340 --> 00:13:00,810 he can lose his orientation. 266 00:13:00,810 --> 00:13:02,830 Most famous example is Tony Miles. 267 00:13:02,830 --> 00:13:05,430 In Skara in 1980, he played 1...e6, 268 00:13:05,430 --> 00:13:06,790 which is one of the most embarrassing moves 269 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:08,580 on the chess board, and he beat Karpov, 270 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:11,100 and Karpov didn't even mind the loss, 271 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:13,030 he was offended at the opening. 272 00:13:13,030 --> 00:13:14,820 - It's normal when you discuss a game, 273 00:13:14,820 --> 00:13:19,260 you try and find out what is the truth of the position. 274 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:22,110 But for Karpov, this had no relevance. 275 00:13:22,110 --> 00:13:26,070 What he wanted to do was to show his superiority. 276 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:28,073 - The way Karpov behaved off the board, 277 00:13:28,073 --> 00:13:31,970 to gain a little advantage or psychological advantage 278 00:13:31,970 --> 00:13:34,510 against his opponents, that was just Karpov. 279 00:13:34,510 --> 00:13:36,900 - If you ever start to underestimate him, 280 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:38,490 you do so at your peril. 281 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:39,800 - [Narrator] Having successfully qualified 282 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,254 through the 1973 Candidates Tournament, 283 00:13:42,254 --> 00:13:45,180 both Karpov and Korchnoi were now through 284 00:13:45,180 --> 00:13:48,060 to the quarterfinals of the knockout match system, 285 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,720 but their disagreement in the last round at Leningrad 286 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,000 was the start of their bitter rivalry. 287 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,691 - So, we were leading, 288 00:13:54,691 --> 00:13:58,550 and then we came with the same number of points 289 00:13:58,550 --> 00:14:00,210 to the last round. 290 00:14:00,210 --> 00:14:03,687 Then Korchnoi approached me and he said, 291 00:14:03,687 --> 00:14:06,447 "Tomorrow we play last round, we both qualify. 292 00:14:06,447 --> 00:14:08,797 "But you understand, I played better this tournament, 293 00:14:08,797 --> 00:14:11,647 "so it wouldn't be correct if you win the tournament. 294 00:14:11,647 --> 00:14:13,317 "That's why I offer two draws. 295 00:14:13,317 --> 00:14:15,140 "You make draw with Toray, 296 00:14:16,531 --> 00:14:19,753 "and then I make draw with Hubner, do you agree?" 297 00:14:20,703 --> 00:14:23,157 Then I said, "Viktor, I don't understand. 298 00:14:23,157 --> 00:14:25,407 "We played nice tournament. 299 00:14:25,407 --> 00:14:28,426 "Why should I offer draw on Toray? 300 00:14:28,426 --> 00:14:31,386 "Who wins tomorrow, that will be the winner 301 00:14:31,386 --> 00:14:32,833 "of the tournament." 302 00:14:32,833 --> 00:14:35,280 So, I beat Toray very quick. 303 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,542 Maybe 21, 22 moves. 304 00:14:37,542 --> 00:14:40,410 And then Korchnoi had to suffer, 305 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:42,550 then there were applauses. 306 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:45,108 So we realised Korchnoi won the game, 307 00:14:45,108 --> 00:14:47,837 and Korchnoi was passing me and he said, 308 00:14:47,837 --> 00:14:50,026 "You forced me to beat Hubner." 309 00:14:50,026 --> 00:14:52,170 (chuckles) 310 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:54,140 - [Narrator] As Korchnoi and Karpov started their cycle 311 00:14:54,140 --> 00:14:56,040 of matches to decide who would challenge Fischer 312 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,590 for the World Championship in 1975, 313 00:14:58,590 --> 00:15:01,290 the young Karpov had already decided that it was unlikely 314 00:15:01,290 --> 00:15:02,640 that he would beat Fischer. 315 00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:07,360 - I said "This is not my cycle." 316 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,131 and so I thought maybe I had lack of experience 317 00:15:12,131 --> 00:15:14,309 of matches, first of all. 318 00:15:14,309 --> 00:15:18,919 But then, I crashed to Pulyadevsky. 319 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:20,680 And then with Spassky, 320 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,050 which I had some physical preparations on the Baltic Sea, 321 00:15:24,050 --> 00:15:26,600 which is very cold and on the ice, 322 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,280 and then it was strong wind, and I got sick, 323 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,510 I had the fever. 324 00:15:31,510 --> 00:15:34,690 And then I called organisers and I said, "Let's postpone." 325 00:15:34,690 --> 00:15:36,920 They said, "But you know, we invited so many people, 326 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,467 "so this is big event." 327 00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:41,850 So I couldn't postpone the first game, 328 00:15:41,850 --> 00:15:43,373 I had to play ill. 329 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,640 I started with the loss with white pieces, 330 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,640 and after this, I beat Spassky four games almost in a row. 331 00:15:53,860 --> 00:15:56,600 - Beating Spassky in 1974, which I think was 332 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,030 one of the peaks of Karpov's career, 333 00:15:59,030 --> 00:16:01,320 Spassky played much better than regular, 334 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,303 and he still lost. 335 00:16:03,490 --> 00:16:05,567 - After this match with Spassky 336 00:16:05,567 --> 00:16:07,960 and my fantastic preparation, 337 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,003 I changed my openings. 338 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,050 I thought, "Now, I can fight for world champion." 339 00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:16,900 - [Narrator] When Karpov and Korchnoi won through 340 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:18,940 to the final, it already looked likely 341 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:21,152 that Fischer wouldn't play either of them. 342 00:16:21,152 --> 00:16:23,400 The final of the candidates' match 343 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,110 was now increasingly looking as though 344 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:27,640 it could decide the world champion himself. 345 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,670 - Then, he approached each person in press centre, 346 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:34,187 and we had many mutual friends, and he said, 347 00:16:34,187 --> 00:16:38,950 "We meet with Karpov in the final, and now you must choose 348 00:16:38,950 --> 00:16:41,927 "with whom you continue your relations, 349 00:16:41,927 --> 00:16:43,207 "with me or with Karpov." 350 00:16:44,801 --> 00:16:46,544 It is not strange. 351 00:16:46,544 --> 00:16:49,526 So many people, even old friends of Korchnoi, 352 00:16:49,526 --> 00:16:51,911 they were surprised and they told me 353 00:16:51,911 --> 00:16:53,820 what his strange behaviour. 354 00:16:53,820 --> 00:16:56,829 - The Soviets had really made the decision, 355 00:16:56,829 --> 00:16:59,460 Anatoly was going to be the challenger to Bobby Fischer. 356 00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:03,110 - If anyone could fight against Fischer, it could be Karpov, 357 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:05,650 because he was younger than Fischer. 358 00:17:05,650 --> 00:17:08,670 - With Korchnoi, we were on very good terms. 359 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:13,670 We did mutual preparation before, in '71 and '72, 360 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:16,620 but in '74, he was complaining 361 00:17:16,620 --> 00:17:19,570 officials were not on his side. 362 00:17:19,570 --> 00:17:21,191 But he did everything. 363 00:17:21,191 --> 00:17:24,920 Officials should be on my side. (laughs) 364 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,397 - Viktor says it at the start of one of his books: 365 00:17:27,397 --> 00:17:29,307 "I was no wunderkind. 366 00:17:29,307 --> 00:17:31,910 "I was no wonder child." 367 00:17:31,910 --> 00:17:34,390 Whereas Karpov, his talent was one of the biggest 368 00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:37,010 in the history of chess, so he was given everything. 369 00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:40,850 - Officials wanted to have this match in Moscow. 370 00:17:40,850 --> 00:17:43,170 But that time, we both lived in Leningrad. 371 00:17:43,170 --> 00:17:47,010 He said that he would prefer to play in Leningrad, 372 00:17:47,010 --> 00:17:48,510 and I was not against. 373 00:17:48,510 --> 00:17:50,327 And then I said, "It's okay. 374 00:17:50,327 --> 00:17:52,997 "Let's make agreement. 375 00:17:52,997 --> 00:17:55,950 "I want to play at five o'clock," 376 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:57,950 and this was only my condition. 377 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:59,560 So I went to Minister of Sport. 378 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,407 He said, "Okay, if you both want to play in Leningrad, 379 00:18:02,407 --> 00:18:04,349 "what to do? 380 00:18:04,349 --> 00:18:05,182 "Play in Leningrad." 381 00:18:05,182 --> 00:18:07,960 - This was a fascinating clash of styles. 382 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,890 It almost was like their personalities as well, 383 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:13,327 because Karpov was quite reserved, 384 00:18:13,327 --> 00:18:16,750 whereas Korchnoi, he likes to put himself out there, 385 00:18:16,750 --> 00:18:18,283 he likes to provoke people. 386 00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:24,470 - The first minute I enter my apartment, telephone. 387 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:28,337 Korchnoi, he said, "I don't agree to start our games 388 00:18:28,337 --> 00:18:30,047 "at five o'clock. 389 00:18:30,047 --> 00:18:32,608 "I would insist to start at three," 390 00:18:32,608 --> 00:18:37,590 and he knew quite well that I am late bird. 391 00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:40,053 Then I said, "Viktor, we agreed, 392 00:18:41,087 --> 00:18:46,087 "with witness, your close friend and my close friend." 393 00:18:46,660 --> 00:18:48,480 Immediately I rang the ministry. 394 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,942 I said, "We can play at Tbilisi, we can play Yerevan," 395 00:18:51,942 --> 00:18:55,750 (laughing) "we can play Kiev, Moscow." 396 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:59,000 And then he said, "But we want you to play Moscow." 397 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,900 I said, "Anywhere, but not Leningrad." 398 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,237 And then he said, "If Korchnoi doesn't know 399 00:19:04,237 --> 00:19:06,727 "how to keep the word, then my position will be 400 00:19:06,727 --> 00:19:10,560 "you play in Moscow and we start the games at five o'clock." 401 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,187 And from this, Korchnoi said, "Okay, 402 00:19:13,187 --> 00:19:15,870 "officials are on the Karpov side." 403 00:19:15,870 --> 00:19:20,303 - The system was really behind Anatoly Karpov. 404 00:19:20,303 --> 00:19:21,760 (applauding) 405 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,900 - [Korchnoi] They are shouting, "Smash him! 406 00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:25,037 "Well done, Tolya! 407 00:19:25,037 --> 00:19:25,870 "Smash him, Tolya!" 408 00:19:25,870 --> 00:19:28,810 All these shouts which are made by the Soviets, 409 00:19:28,810 --> 00:19:32,400 very artificial, because I am always thinking at the board. 410 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,439 He is playing quickly, well, he's genius. 411 00:19:35,439 --> 00:19:37,540 I'm working hard. 412 00:19:37,540 --> 00:19:39,910 - [Narrator] Korchnoi eventually lost the 24-game match 413 00:19:39,910 --> 00:19:42,953 by the slender margin of one point. 414 00:19:42,953 --> 00:19:44,970 But whereas Karpov had received the help 415 00:19:44,970 --> 00:19:46,802 of the best chess brains in Russia, 416 00:19:46,802 --> 00:19:49,180 Korchnoi felt that it was no coincidence 417 00:19:49,180 --> 00:19:52,140 that the top grand masters who wanted to help him, 418 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:54,940 such as previous world champion Vasily Smyslov 419 00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:56,750 and challenger David Bronstein, 420 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:59,700 had been sent away from Moscow for six weeks. 421 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:03,033 They both returned to Moscow after the match had finished. 422 00:20:04,140 --> 00:20:06,380 - It was unfair conditions. 423 00:20:06,380 --> 00:20:10,480 Top, top grand masters wanted to help Korchnoi, 424 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,570 and they had to do it surreptitiously 425 00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:16,590 with phone calls in the middle of the night from payphones 426 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,410 so that the KGB couldn't listen in. 427 00:20:18,410 --> 00:20:20,023 - At the end of the match, 428 00:20:20,982 --> 00:20:25,410 Karpov weighted only 45 kilogrammes. 429 00:20:25,410 --> 00:20:27,838 This is a dangerous weight. 430 00:20:27,838 --> 00:20:31,290 - Viktor Korchnoi could accept this loss 431 00:20:31,290 --> 00:20:34,690 and he had made some bad remarks about Karpov, 432 00:20:34,690 --> 00:20:37,210 after which his career was in danger. 433 00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:40,343 - He was talking about Karpov not being as a good player, 434 00:20:40,343 --> 00:20:43,220 someone who is just lucky. 435 00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:47,306 - In Communist time yeah you know some comments 436 00:20:47,306 --> 00:20:50,820 (sighs) were not accepted. 437 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:53,670 - Korchnoi was made to suffer by the Soviet authorities. 438 00:20:53,670 --> 00:20:55,440 That would have built up this kind of bitterness 439 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,960 and rancour against the Soviet system, 440 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,430 and against this one man, Karpov. 441 00:20:59,430 --> 00:21:00,263 - [Narrator] When Korchnoi 442 00:21:00,263 --> 00:21:02,280 was punished for incorrect behaviour 443 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,710 and forbidden from travelling abroad 444 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:05,900 to play chess, his bitter rival, 445 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:08,240 former world champion Tigram Petrosian, 446 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,130 was the first to criticise him in the press 447 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:11,530 and call for his punishment. 448 00:21:13,497 --> 00:21:16,794 - Petrosian disqualified Korchnoi for one year. 449 00:21:16,794 --> 00:21:21,632 I was concentrated on my preparation with Fischer, 450 00:21:21,632 --> 00:21:24,160 and I didn't know what Federation did. 451 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,367 - [Narrator] Karpov was calculating. 452 00:21:27,367 --> 00:21:32,367 He had to steer his own path through this Soviet minefield. 453 00:21:32,411 --> 00:21:36,100 - Only after beat Korchnoi, people started to believe 454 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:39,180 that maybe he can beat Fischer. 455 00:21:39,180 --> 00:21:40,630 - But Bobby wasn't playing; 456 00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:45,630 Bobby was mired in this incredible doomsday Christian cult. 457 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,790 Bobby had his demons. 458 00:21:50,790 --> 00:21:52,200 - Fischer couldn't make himself 459 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,550 ready to play against Karpov. 460 00:21:53,550 --> 00:21:55,960 Karpov was a player that Fischer didn't know, 461 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,110 and Fischer was always afraid 462 00:21:58,110 --> 00:21:59,897 of something that the didn't know. 463 00:21:59,897 --> 00:22:02,860 - Karpov didn't have the chance to beat Fischer, 464 00:22:02,860 --> 00:22:05,310 so he had to prove himself as a world champion 465 00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:07,440 in some other way, and he managed to do that. 466 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,055 He's quite impressive. 467 00:22:09,055 --> 00:22:11,290 He won almost every tournament he played. 468 00:22:11,290 --> 00:22:13,455 - It was the first world champion 469 00:22:13,455 --> 00:22:16,916 who really was not afraid to face challenges. 470 00:22:16,916 --> 00:22:18,780 - [Narrator] After Karpov had won back 471 00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:20,470 the World Chess Championship, 472 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:23,160 the restrictions on Korchnoi were lifted. 473 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,690 To the the Sports Committee, Korchnoi was just 474 00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:27,791 a troublesome yesterday man. 475 00:22:27,791 --> 00:22:29,230 - Korchnoi realised that 476 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:31,290 he wouldn't be able to win the title 477 00:22:32,343 --> 00:22:34,130 while staying the Soviet Union. 478 00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:37,140 - Chess professionals were not independent contractors. 479 00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:39,030 They all were paid by the state, 480 00:22:39,030 --> 00:22:43,150 their trips to the West were sanctioned by the state. 481 00:22:43,150 --> 00:22:46,470 - The state provides you with all life opportunities, 482 00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:51,470 and in return, it demands 100% conformity. 483 00:22:53,489 --> 00:22:56,507 - Viktor Korchnoi pleaded many times, 484 00:22:56,507 --> 00:23:01,207 "I like to decide myself where I am going, 485 00:23:01,207 --> 00:23:04,799 "when I am going, which tournament I am playing, 486 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,450 "and not the Sport Committee who is deciding for me." 487 00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:13,140 - The Soviet Union, it is not allowed to tell, normally, 488 00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:18,140 like in the Western, in the free world. 489 00:23:19,924 --> 00:23:23,561 - So Viktor Korchnoi realised that the only way 490 00:23:23,561 --> 00:23:27,936 to continue his profession was to leave the Soviet Union. 491 00:23:27,936 --> 00:23:30,436 (tense music) 492 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:33,580 - [Reporter] Impossible doesn't seem to be a word 493 00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:36,420 that's recognised any longer by determined escapists 494 00:23:36,420 --> 00:23:37,970 with friends on the other side. 495 00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:42,951 (people yelling) 496 00:23:50,542 --> 00:23:53,920 - In the beginning of 1976 in January, 497 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,530 Viktor and me, we played in Hastings. 498 00:23:57,530 --> 00:24:00,950 - To obtain his visa Korchnoi needed some support, 499 00:24:00,950 --> 00:24:05,260 so I gave him guarantee that he can go and nothing happens. 500 00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:08,560 - [Sosonoko] We were walking, discussing only one problem: 501 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,050 how, for Viktor, it's easier to leave Soviet Union. 502 00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:15,580 They will not give him permission because he was 503 00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:18,350 one of the leading Soviet chess grand masters. 504 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:21,730 - We met in Hastings and we drank whiskey 505 00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:23,255 for the whole night. 506 00:24:23,255 --> 00:24:25,580 And he was very open. 507 00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:28,960 I gave him even some tip, where should he go. 508 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,370 - Most easy solution: play in a tournament abroad 509 00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:34,287 and don't go back to the Soviet Union. 510 00:24:34,287 --> 00:24:36,917 "But you understand that after that, 511 00:24:36,917 --> 00:24:41,080 "your family will be family of a traitor." 512 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,610 - Bela, the wife of Korchnoi, told me, 513 00:24:44,610 --> 00:24:46,988 "Well, you know, Mr Hort, 514 00:24:46,988 --> 00:24:51,827 "I am always afraid that somebody's even already watching us 515 00:24:51,827 --> 00:24:53,817 "when we are went to toilet." 516 00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:57,710 - [Sosonoko] Half a year later, he came back to Amsterdam 517 00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:59,130 to play their IBM tournament. 518 00:24:59,130 --> 00:25:02,137 - Korchnoi went to Tony Miles and he asked him, 519 00:25:02,137 --> 00:25:04,116 "How do you spell political asylum?" 520 00:25:04,116 --> 00:25:07,187 - On the very last day, the taxi driver asked him, 521 00:25:07,187 --> 00:25:09,257 "Where we are going to, sir?" 522 00:25:10,212 --> 00:25:13,047 And he told me, "I didn't know. 523 00:25:13,047 --> 00:25:14,447 "I didn't know what to say." 524 00:25:16,637 --> 00:25:18,707 "Sir, where we are going to?" 525 00:25:19,937 --> 00:25:21,293 "Amsterdam," I said. 526 00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:23,640 - He finally made that decision 527 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,410 and it came as quite a surprise for everyone. 528 00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:29,300 That was a terrible blow for the Soviet Union. 529 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:32,360 - Later on, he was saying that he didn't put me 530 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,790 in the corner, in difficult position, 531 00:25:34,790 --> 00:25:37,713 because he left country not during the first trip 532 00:25:37,713 --> 00:25:40,570 but during the second. (laughs) 533 00:25:40,570 --> 00:25:42,437 - He wasn't a political animal. 534 00:25:42,437 --> 00:25:45,160 He simply wanted to play chess, 535 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,158 but he wanted to play chess and be himself, 536 00:25:48,158 --> 00:25:51,550 and in the Soviet Union, that was not possible. 537 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,740 - Bela, his wife, Igor, his son, 538 00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:59,598 were literally trapped and stuck behind the Iron Curtain. 539 00:25:59,598 --> 00:26:04,598 - We imagine you will probably never see them anymore. 540 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:07,230 - The Soviets labelled him as a criminal. 541 00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:09,330 - Judas of chess. 542 00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:11,030 - He was given round-the-clock police guard 543 00:26:11,030 --> 00:26:13,670 by the Dutch police, well aware that 544 00:26:13,670 --> 00:26:15,410 the Soviets could come and take him out. 545 00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:19,910 - Viktor was a threat to the World Chess Championship. 546 00:26:19,910 --> 00:26:23,530 With absolute, 100% certainty, 547 00:26:23,530 --> 00:26:26,683 Viktor had no doubts he would be assassinated. 548 00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:32,240 - When certain people left the Soviet Union, 549 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,370 they had special aim, 550 00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:39,370 they are preparing hostile activity against me. 551 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:42,420 - The Soviet press, typical for that time, 552 00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:45,300 tried to avoid mentioning Korchnoi by name. 553 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:47,170 - He was a persona non grata, 554 00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:50,590 he was airbrushed out of Soviet chess history. 555 00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:52,910 - If they could drop his name, they did. 556 00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:54,383 - Contender, challenger. 557 00:26:55,345 --> 00:26:56,800 Rarely Korchnoi. 558 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,650 - So, chess players, between themselves, 559 00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:00,790 started calling him Villain. 560 00:27:00,790 --> 00:27:03,600 - It's like, Voldemort, 561 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,896 the name that cannot be mentioned. 562 00:27:05,896 --> 00:27:08,431 - What Korchnoi did after he defected 563 00:27:08,431 --> 00:27:10,450 was quite effective. 564 00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:12,419 - His chess blossomed after he left. 565 00:27:12,419 --> 00:27:14,060 - [Narrator] As the candidates matches 566 00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:16,435 for the 1978 World Championship approached, 567 00:27:16,435 --> 00:27:20,890 Viktor Korchnoi was still subject to a Soviet boycott. 568 00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:23,576 He could not play in any tournament in the Eastern bloc, 569 00:27:23,576 --> 00:27:26,050 and no Soviet-bloc player would be sent 570 00:27:26,050 --> 00:27:28,340 to play in a Western tournament. 571 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:30,640 The World Championship candidates' matches, however, 572 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,850 were not subject to this boycott, 573 00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:35,183 and fate was to take an unusual turn. 574 00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:42,250 - He played a match against Petrosian in the quarterfinal. 575 00:27:42,250 --> 00:27:45,090 - He had a bitter rivalry with Petrosian, 576 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:47,050 you know kicking each other under the table 577 00:27:47,050 --> 00:27:48,890 and all kinds of stuff going on. 578 00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:53,030 He faced Lev Polugaevsky, another very strong Soviet player, 579 00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:57,360 and he played Boris Spassky, former World Champion, 580 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,210 also from the Soviet Union. 581 00:28:00,210 --> 00:28:03,550 - Spassky, who was married to a French lady 582 00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:07,093 who was a diplomat's daughter, was living in France, 583 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:11,850 and for Viktor, it was impossible 584 00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:16,802 for any Soviet to live outside the Soviet Union 585 00:28:16,802 --> 00:28:21,010 with the acquiescence of the Soviet system 586 00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:22,433 unless he was KGB. 587 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,821 - Even though Spassky was an emigre from the Soviet Union, 588 00:28:27,821 --> 00:28:30,140 Korchnoi grew to hate Spassky. 589 00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:33,050 - This match was a remarkable roller coaster. 590 00:28:33,050 --> 00:28:35,010 Viktor won a whole series of games, 591 00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:38,410 and then Spassky established this tactic of withdrawing 592 00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:41,567 from the stage, and he won a whole series of games back, 593 00:28:41,567 --> 00:28:45,763 and then Viktor recovered his composure to win the match. 594 00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:48,640 - [Narrator] Although World Championship matches 595 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,151 are played between two players, 596 00:28:50,151 --> 00:28:52,910 each player has a small team of seconds 597 00:28:52,910 --> 00:28:55,023 comprised of world-class grand masters. 598 00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:58,060 - If they watch you in the tournament oh for instance, 599 00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:01,217 they can say, "Your opponent made three moves fast 600 00:29:01,217 --> 00:29:04,210 "and I noticed that you lost it, you lost your cool." 601 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:05,990 This sort of observation can be very useful, 602 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:08,210 because it is what decides games. 603 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:12,333 - When Batuidi played Bronstein or Smyslov or Tal, 604 00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:15,610 or Spassky played Petrosian, there were teams already, 605 00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:18,820 but with Karpov, everything turned into machinery. 606 00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:21,720 - Unfortunately, Furman my main trainer, passed away 607 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,800 half a year before the match. 608 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,310 It was big problem for me, 609 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:27,590 because I had to organise new team. 610 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:31,423 So I had to play new role, because I had to lead my team. 611 00:29:32,667 --> 00:29:34,800 - The team was composed of Michael Tal, 612 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,633 former World Champion, 613 00:29:35,633 --> 00:29:39,010 Lev Pulgaevsky, fantastic player and theoritician, 614 00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:41,595 Yuri Baleshov, also very strong player 615 00:29:41,595 --> 00:29:43,020 and profound theoritician, 616 00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:47,380 and Igor Zaetsev, the guy who was not such a strong player 617 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:49,890 but had absolutely original ideas. 618 00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:53,720 - It's not only having Tal and other leading players 619 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,420 helping Anatoly Karpov, 620 00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:58,023 but also KGB using every dirty trick in the book. 621 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:01,207 - The leader of the Soviet delegation was the head 622 00:30:01,207 --> 00:30:03,650 of Soviet Chess Federation. 623 00:30:03,650 --> 00:30:07,060 His name was Viktor Davidovich Batuinsky, 624 00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:09,676 who was a colonel in the KGB. 625 00:30:09,676 --> 00:30:11,370 - He was very mighty. 626 00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:13,160 He was procurator, already, 627 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,060 who signed the death warrant in Soviet system. 628 00:30:17,060 --> 00:30:18,627 - Of course, he is infamous for his role 629 00:30:18,627 --> 00:30:21,190 in the Stalinistic days, but on the other hand, 630 00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:22,850 he was quite a good chess player, 631 00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:27,850 and he also had a very vast chess library, 632 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,450 one of the biggest in the world. 633 00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:33,590 - [Narrator] With a delegation of seconds, bodyguards, 634 00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:35,497 a psychologist, a personal chef, 635 00:30:35,497 --> 00:30:37,140 and KGB advisors and officials, 636 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:41,356 Karpov's entourage was just short of 20 people. 637 00:30:41,356 --> 00:30:43,790 All were paid for by the Soviet state. 638 00:30:43,790 --> 00:30:46,630 - He very often had a KGB man with him, 639 00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:48,610 Vladimir Pleshakov was his name. 640 00:30:48,610 --> 00:30:52,120 And Vladimir Pleshakov, somebody who was actually armed. 641 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,650 - He was responsible for the life of Anatoly. 642 00:30:56,650 --> 00:30:58,650 - I also got along with him quite well, 643 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:00,423 but he was a terrible alcoholic. 644 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,490 - [Reporter] Karpov's official car 645 00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:06,710 crashed into a pine tree on a mountain road one night, 646 00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:09,809 and the first people on the scene found it empty. 647 00:31:09,809 --> 00:31:12,049 (speaking in foreign language) 648 00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:12,882 - Anatoly car, where is Anatoly? 649 00:31:12,882 --> 00:31:13,715 - [Man] Nobody knows. 650 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,780 - [Narrator] In comparison, Korchnoi's delegation 651 00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:19,050 numbered just three seconds. 652 00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:23,013 - Ray Keene was known to be a very good theoritician. 653 00:31:23,861 --> 00:31:26,740 And Stean was also quite a strong player, 654 00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:28,257 very promising player. 655 00:31:28,257 --> 00:31:30,930 - I thought I could really help Korchnoi, 656 00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:33,290 and the innovatory creativity 657 00:31:33,290 --> 00:31:36,045 that was permeating British chess at the time 658 00:31:36,045 --> 00:31:39,380 would be something that would give him added punch. 659 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:41,465 - I became kind of the rational voice. 660 00:31:41,465 --> 00:31:45,828 Ray Keene had this slightly more presidential approach. 661 00:31:45,828 --> 00:31:47,890 - Korchnoi then wanted to add Yasha Murey, 662 00:31:47,890 --> 00:31:48,830 who I had doubts about. 663 00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:53,486 - The ex-Soviet who had these wonderful, flamboyant ideas, 664 00:31:53,486 --> 00:31:55,630 very few of them had ever worked, 665 00:31:55,630 --> 00:31:58,060 but the ones that did mattered. 666 00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:59,560 - [Narrator] The one non-chess-playing person 667 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,610 in Viktor Korchnoi's delegation was Petra Leeuwerik. 668 00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:05,220 With her Austrian-Dutch background, 669 00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:07,290 she became an implacable enemy of Communism 670 00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:09,740 in the Soviet-controlled sector of Austria and Germany 671 00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:10,883 after World War II. 672 00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:16,810 - Petra was an extraordinary woman of incredible energy. 673 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,580 So loyal to Viktor. 674 00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:21,510 - She used to play chess as a hobby, 675 00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:23,625 and then she met Viktor. 676 00:32:23,625 --> 00:32:27,550 It was during the super tennis exhibition in Zurich, 677 00:32:27,550 --> 00:32:32,410 and Viktor had seen the book of Tolstoy in Russian language, 678 00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:37,410 and he asked, "Who is here reading Russian?" 679 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,963 - Petra was virulently anti-communist. 680 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,510 She had been a terrorist against the Soviets, 681 00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:52,250 literally fought against them, had been arrested. 682 00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:55,030 - She's from the Soviet part of Wien, 683 00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:59,330 and when she was 18, they had took her 684 00:32:59,330 --> 00:33:02,250 and they put her in the prison, 685 00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:07,250 and after 10 years, 1956, she was released 686 00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:09,843 in the so-called Adenauer Amnesty. 687 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,450 - Petra was his rock; he needed somebody to fall back on. 688 00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:19,920 He needed emotional support, and he needed somebody 689 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,563 who understood what he had been through. 690 00:33:24,660 --> 00:33:27,500 Somebody who spent 10 years in a Soviet labour camp 691 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:28,933 knows what it's like. 692 00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:35,043 - She became a bodyguard, manager, 693 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,313 housekeeper, secretary, girlfriend. 694 00:33:41,217 --> 00:33:43,030 - Korchnoi had a very capable team behind him, 695 00:33:43,030 --> 00:33:47,170 but it's difficult to compare with a team led by Tal. 696 00:33:47,170 --> 00:33:49,611 - It was world champions against a bunch of amateurs. 697 00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:51,329 (laughs) I mean, it was no contest. 698 00:33:51,329 --> 00:33:53,850 - [Narrator] When Karpov won the World Champion's title 699 00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:57,200 in 1975, he became only the 12th World Champion 700 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,400 since the contest began. 701 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:02,350 Instead of the normal schedule of the best of 24 games, 702 00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:04,310 in Baguio, it was decided that the winner 703 00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:07,170 was to be the first person to win six games. 704 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:09,210 In theory, this meant that the match 705 00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:10,803 had no definite end date. 706 00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:14,940 - World Championship match, it's a crown jewel. 707 00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:17,010 There were only 16 world champions 708 00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:19,780 since the first official match in 1886; 709 00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:21,910 that tells you the value of the title. 710 00:34:21,910 --> 00:34:23,700 - Competing in World Championship is 711 00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:27,910 different from psychological point of view, 712 00:34:27,910 --> 00:34:30,066 because it's a big pressure on you. 713 00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:34,140 The pressure is enormous if you have to play such matches. 714 00:34:34,140 --> 00:34:37,760 A constant pressure, actually, for years. 715 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,980 - From an emotional point of view, 716 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:42,480 when I lost to Garry Kasparov, 717 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,740 it took me almost two decades 718 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:47,733 before I could look at these games. 719 00:34:48,866 --> 00:34:52,030 It was actually that traumatic. 720 00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:54,070 - Beating the World Champion, it's very different 721 00:34:54,070 --> 00:34:56,503 from beating all the contenders on the way to the match. 722 00:34:56,503 --> 00:34:59,130 It's like climbing Mount Everest. 723 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,220 - The difference between tournament 724 00:35:01,220 --> 00:35:02,810 and a World Championship match 725 00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:05,550 is that, obviously, you only play one person. 726 00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:07,590 - You're trying to find some weakness, 727 00:35:07,590 --> 00:35:10,430 either in their personality or their psychology. 728 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:13,910 - It's a Darwinian experience. 729 00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:16,030 - Seeing the same guy day after day, 730 00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:18,600 or in their case, week after week, month after month, 731 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,410 it's a different tension. 732 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:22,410 - Any two chess players playing a game are trying 733 00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:25,000 to draw each other into their weakest areas. 734 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,620 - You cannot be nice to your opponents. 735 00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:29,140 - Every strategy which can destabilise your opponent 736 00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:30,320 is a good one. 737 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,070 - The winner of the match, it's decided by, 738 00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:33,910 I think, by two factors. 739 00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:37,440 One is how soon you can learn about your opponents 740 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,636 and from your mistakes and to adjust, 741 00:35:39,636 --> 00:35:43,200 and second is how strong you are 742 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,323 to stay calm under pressure. 743 00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:50,180 - [Narrator] In July 1978, Karpov and Korchnoi arrived 744 00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:52,930 in Baguio City in the Philippines. 745 00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:56,200 President Marcos, a keen chess player, and his wife Imelda, 746 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,110 were sponsors of the match. 747 00:35:58,110 --> 00:36:01,250 The prize fund was over half a million US dollars, 748 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:05,110 with the winner earning $350,000. 749 00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:08,270 In comparison, the men's tennis champion at Wimbledon 750 00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:10,260 that same month-- - 15-love. 751 00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:13,253 - [Narrator] Was taking away a mere 19,000 pounds. 752 00:36:14,530 --> 00:36:15,810 The scene was set 753 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:18,510 for the most remarkable World Chess Championship ever. 754 00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:21,830 - The excitement about the match and the publicity 755 00:36:21,830 --> 00:36:23,400 was very much connected to the fact 756 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,191 that Korchnoi was a defector 757 00:36:25,191 --> 00:36:28,360 and Karpov was darling of the system. 758 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,360 - You had a match staged in the Philippines 759 00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:36,700 with this incredibly dubious regime, 760 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:39,333 the Marcos regime who was sponsoring it. 761 00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:42,530 - The proclamation of martial law 762 00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:45,700 is not a military takeover. 763 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,333 - It was just mad. 764 00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:52,970 - [Reporter] On to the Philippines, to the city of Baguio, 765 00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:55,473 240 kilometres south of Manila. 766 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,660 It's become a familiar dateline for chess fans, 767 00:36:59,660 --> 00:37:02,770 because the world champion, Anatoly Karpov, 768 00:37:02,770 --> 00:37:04,250 is defending his title here 769 00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:06,733 against the challenger, Viktor Korchnoi. 770 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,310 It has proved to be a dramatic encounter 771 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:12,640 with endless disputes and rangles. 772 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,500 About flags, thought waves, mirrored glasses, 773 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,800 and even tubs of yoghourt. 774 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,370 The setting is a brand new convention centre in Baguio, 775 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:25,080 built to accommodate up to 1,000 people. 776 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,100 And the Phillippino government spared no cost or effort 777 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:30,250 to get everything right. 778 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:32,890 Once, hundreds of school children were crowded 779 00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:35,730 into the auditorium and told to breathe heavily 780 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:38,433 just to simulated the presence of a large audience. 781 00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:44,510 - The Soviets wanted to keep their 782 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:46,840 Soviet World Championship title, 783 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,240 and it was extremely important. 784 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,570 - Failure was no longer an option. 785 00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:53,100 I mean they'd already lost the world title once, 786 00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:54,440 to an American. 787 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,533 Losing it then to a Soviet defector. 788 00:37:58,510 --> 00:37:59,583 - A defector! 789 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,610 A criminal! 790 00:38:01,610 --> 00:38:02,910 Run away with that? 791 00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:04,290 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 792 00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:07,323 that would be intolerable, unacceptable. 793 00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:12,000 If we can't beat em, kill em! (laughing) 794 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,840 - [Narrator] Before the match had even started, 795 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,053 the Soviets fired the first show in the propaganda war. 796 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,210 They protested that even though Viktor Korchnoi 797 00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:21,860 had settled in Switzerland, 798 00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:25,090 he was not allowed to play under the Swiss National Flag, 799 00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:27,500 as his illegal defection from Russia 800 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:28,663 had made him stateless. 801 00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:33,373 - A flag is a symbol, 802 00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:39,430 and the Battle of the Flags was itself, symbolic. 803 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,000 - [Reporter] The Swiss flag, which adorned his team's cars, 804 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,054 was ruled out by an international chess jury. 805 00:38:46,054 --> 00:38:49,035 Korchnoi wasn't too dismayed though, 806 00:38:49,035 --> 00:38:51,780 he had scored a point by offering to use 807 00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:54,090 a white flag saying "Stateless" 808 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:57,740 or a Soviet flag with the words "I escaped" on it. 809 00:38:57,740 --> 00:39:00,270 - We were discussing have a sort of 810 00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:03,960 pirate flag or some jolly roger, what have you. 811 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,280 But it didn't really matter what the flag was, 812 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,150 the point of the dispute, 813 00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:12,016 as with most things in the Soviet system, 814 00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:16,843 was it was a means to demonstrate their power. 815 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,560 - Florencio Campomanes, the match organiser, 816 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,860 knew to become FIDE President, 817 00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:25,580 he would need the Soviet Union 818 00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:29,490 and the Soviet bloc behind him. 819 00:39:29,490 --> 00:39:32,760 - We called him "Carpomanes" 820 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,683 Not Compomanes, Mister, I think that you can buy him. 821 00:39:38,830 --> 00:39:39,743 You can buy him. 822 00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:42,500 - [Reporter] Karpov had a cocktail party 823 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:44,870 given in his honour on the eve of the championship, 824 00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:46,490 by the Soviet ambassador. 825 00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:49,610 And President Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines 826 00:39:49,610 --> 00:39:51,700 headed an impressive guest list. 827 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:54,440 It must all have reinforced Korchnoi's feeling 828 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,173 that the establishment was closing ranks against him. 829 00:39:58,209 --> 00:40:00,780 - Korchnoi knew that he would be facing 830 00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:03,100 a KGB-controlled operation. 831 00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:06,480 - We knew there were going to be a lot of KGB people around. 832 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,360 Viktor taught us to recognise them. 833 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,840 They would have a liken to the description 834 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,130 of the hippopotamus. 835 00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:14,150 Difficult to describe, but you know it when you see it. 836 00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:17,020 And the KGB agents in the hotel lobby 837 00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:18,423 were very much the same. 838 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:21,200 - [Reporter] There was excitement in the air 839 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,250 when July the 18th finally arrived. 840 00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:26,430 The first game in a championship carrying 841 00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:29,530 the priceless prestige of the world crown. 842 00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:31,820 Korchnoi started with the white pieces, 843 00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:33,770 giving him the initiative. 844 00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:35,900 But both men played with caution, 845 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:39,080 determined to avoid an opening defeat at all costs, 846 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,993 and the game ended in a tame draw after only 18 moves. 847 00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:45,510 - [Narrator] No one could have predicted 848 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:48,240 that the match would still be continuing into October, 849 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,750 causing the Danish Grand Master Bent Larsen, 850 00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:52,240 to send both players a record 851 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,963 of Phillippino Christmas carols. 852 00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:57,810 Whilst the opening games themselves were tame encounters, 853 00:40:57,810 --> 00:40:59,550 the Soviets decided to ignite 854 00:40:59,550 --> 00:41:01,370 the off-the-board controversies 855 00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:03,357 by requesting that Korchnoi's expensive 856 00:41:03,357 --> 00:41:07,405 $1300 chair from Sweden be inspected for radio waves 857 00:41:07,405 --> 00:41:10,453 in case they were interfering with Karpov thoughts. 858 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,880 In response, Korchnoi's delegation complained 859 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,350 about the yoghourt that was being made by Karpov's chef. 860 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:20,820 - During the game Karpov was getting some sort of yoghourt, 861 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:23,190 and Korchnoi complained that the colour of yoghourt 862 00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:25,030 indicates to Karpov what kind of move to make 863 00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:27,370 and then (chuckles) the Chief Operator Lothar Schmid 864 00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:29,687 he ordered to bring the yoghourt at the same time, 865 00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:30,830 and the same colour. 866 00:41:30,830 --> 00:41:32,770 - This wasn't about coded messages at all, 867 00:41:32,770 --> 00:41:34,784 that this was about, there was some kind of stimulant 868 00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:39,784 in the yoghourt which would just, speeded up his metabolism. 869 00:41:40,125 --> 00:41:42,292 (ticking) 870 00:41:45,664 --> 00:41:47,320 - At Game Five, Korchnoi adjourned, 871 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,830 we analysed the position all night. 872 00:41:48,830 --> 00:41:50,710 Winning at every variation. 873 00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:52,726 A couple of hours before the game resumed 874 00:41:52,726 --> 00:41:53,610 Korchnoi went to sleep. 875 00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:57,557 And Michael Stean and I left his room in the Pines hotel 876 00:41:57,557 --> 00:41:59,770 and we saw the local policeman 877 00:41:59,770 --> 00:42:02,123 looking at the adjourned position. 878 00:42:02,123 --> 00:42:06,490 And their very first move was one we hadn't even looked at, 879 00:42:06,490 --> 00:42:07,977 we hadn't even considered it. 880 00:42:07,977 --> 00:42:09,483 And I said to Michael, 881 00:42:10,713 --> 00:42:12,927 "Maybe we should go and wake Viktor up. 882 00:42:12,927 --> 00:42:15,890 "And these coppers have found a move we didn't think of." 883 00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:17,477 And he said, "Nah," you know he says, 884 00:42:17,477 --> 00:42:20,610 "Bah and rubbish now we looked at everything." 885 00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:24,170 So we don't tell Viktor, the game resumes, 886 00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:27,450 Karpov of course has played the move of the policeman. 887 00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:30,120 And it turns out to be much stronger than we thought, 888 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,733 and Viktor took so long working out how to win 889 00:42:32,733 --> 00:42:35,019 that he missed and forced mate with checks 890 00:42:35,019 --> 00:42:36,337 and eventually drew the game. 891 00:42:36,337 --> 00:42:38,140 - The first part of the match, 892 00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:41,019 it was very tough we were very, very close. 893 00:42:41,019 --> 00:42:43,500 - [Narrator] After seven consecutive draws, 894 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,030 at the start of Game Eight, 895 00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:47,810 Karpov ignored Korchnoi's outstretched hand, 896 00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:50,859 refusing to start the game with the customary handshake. 897 00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:52,890 It was the first time this had happened 898 00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:55,210 during any World Championship match. 899 00:42:55,210 --> 00:42:58,493 - Korchnoi thought were not done. 900 00:42:59,708 --> 00:43:02,320 And another one for my team. 901 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,363 (speaking foreign language) 902 00:43:04,363 --> 00:43:07,380 - He insulted the Soviet Union and the person of Mr Karpov 903 00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:09,403 as a citizen of the Soviet Union. 904 00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:11,773 - They really insulted. 905 00:43:13,019 --> 00:43:17,207 And after this I said to myself, 906 00:43:17,207 --> 00:43:19,560 "Okay this probably the moment." 907 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,000 - The score is level and then by Game Eight 908 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,600 he has suddenly decided not to shake the opponent's hand. 909 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,750 No, you don't do that. 910 00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:29,270 It's just an insult. 911 00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:31,701 - Viktor Korchnoi plays much worse when he's angry. 912 00:43:31,701 --> 00:43:33,610 And before the last game the Soviets 913 00:43:33,610 --> 00:43:36,750 produced this master stroke that really upset him. 914 00:43:36,750 --> 00:43:39,664 Which was refusing to shake hands. 915 00:43:39,664 --> 00:43:41,763 - I'm gonna refuse your hand. 916 00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:46,640 It's gon' piss you off! 917 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,860 - At that point, the referee should have stepped in 918 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:54,770 because this was just a gross breech of etiquette. 919 00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:57,220 - Even Korchnoi with all his knowledge of KGB 920 00:43:57,220 --> 00:44:01,150 and the Soviets, he still didnt' believe they would do that. 921 00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:05,770 - Any way Karpov could arrange things that would 922 00:44:05,770 --> 00:44:08,310 put his opponents off, you know knock him around, 923 00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:12,250 slap him around, he was not above availing himself 924 00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:14,288 of those opportunities. 925 00:44:14,288 --> 00:44:17,250 - [Narrator] After Karpov's first win in Game Eight, 926 00:44:17,250 --> 00:44:19,423 the Soviets threw a party to celebrate. 927 00:44:20,290 --> 00:44:23,430 The official match organiser, Florencio Campomanes, 928 00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:27,410 also attended and toasted Karpov's victory with champagne. 929 00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:28,864 - And to five more! 930 00:44:28,864 --> 00:44:33,864 (murmuring) (laughing) 931 00:44:33,873 --> 00:44:36,610 Korchnoi's delegation informed the Soviets 932 00:44:36,610 --> 00:44:37,880 that they were happy for handshakes 933 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,650 not to take play any more. 934 00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:41,320 As it would save Korchnoi the bother 935 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,053 of washing his hands afterwards. 936 00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:46,300 When the Soviet delegation rebuked them 937 00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:49,680 for insulting Karpov, Ray Keene sent Baturinsky 938 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,270 a large cigar as a peace offering. 939 00:44:52,270 --> 00:44:54,620 The cigar was returned to him a day later 940 00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:56,310 with a bar of soap. 941 00:44:56,310 --> 00:44:58,940 - When Korchnoi came out of Game Eight, 942 00:44:58,940 --> 00:45:03,580 he said, "I sensed that Karpov had some bombshell idea." 943 00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:05,203 And we opened Lopez. 944 00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:10,080 We did not find a knight g5, 945 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,460 it's an amazing idea, it's absolutely fantastic. 946 00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:16,019 And we were just shocked and we thought, 947 00:45:16,019 --> 00:45:17,868 "What the hell is going on?" 948 00:45:17,868 --> 00:45:20,035 (ticking) 949 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,260 - From Game 10 to 20, of course then Karpov was better. 950 00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:30,010 He would exploit Korchnoi's big weakness, 951 00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:32,370 which was time trouble. 952 00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:34,330 His handling of the clock. 953 00:45:34,330 --> 00:45:38,180 - Viktor was losing games which he was pressing to win. 954 00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:40,510 And Karpov was holding on then and hitting him 955 00:45:40,510 --> 00:45:43,350 with counterpunches sort of late in the game 956 00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:44,880 when Viktor was getting tired. 957 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,100 - He wasn't able to put the ball in the back of the net and, 958 00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:53,220 and sometimes the ball was going in his own net. 959 00:45:53,220 --> 00:45:56,477 - Game 13 and 14 Korchnoi lost two games. 960 00:45:56,477 --> 00:45:58,890 And this was even reckless because in one game 961 00:45:58,890 --> 00:46:01,000 he was doing great the whole time 962 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,661 and at the very last move he still has a draw. 963 00:46:03,661 --> 00:46:06,630 These are moments you feel like killing yourself. 964 00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:08,540 - When Korchnoi slumped in the middle 965 00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:10,110 we thought well it's all over, 966 00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:11,870 we're just sort of trying to cling on. 967 00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:15,480 - Viktor was clearly becoming very disturbed 968 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,367 by the parapsychologist Dr Zukhar. 969 00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:20,770 - [Reporter] Another big talking point 970 00:46:20,770 --> 00:46:23,290 reached into the world of the paranormal, 971 00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:26,430 with Korchnoi claiming his thoughts were being influenced 972 00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:29,440 by the brain waves of Dr Vladimi Zukhar. 973 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,690 He would take a seat near the front of the stage 974 00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:33,850 and simply stare at Korchnoi, 975 00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:35,650 without appearing to take any interest 976 00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:38,180 in the progress of the game itself. 977 00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:40,720 - Zukhar was there specifically with the intention 978 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:44,963 of placing him sort of in Korchnoi's eyesight. 979 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,290 And then waiting for Korchnoi to do the rest. 980 00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:50,570 - [Reporter] Whatever Dr Zukhar's powers, 981 00:46:50,570 --> 00:46:52,590 Korchnoi was clearly upset. 982 00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:55,770 And he called an impromptu and animated press conference 983 00:46:55,770 --> 00:46:57,580 to give vent to his feelings. 984 00:46:57,580 --> 00:47:00,077 - He plays with a state of will of Zukhar! 985 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,200 And I play against Zukhar! 986 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,900 - Korchnoi asked Zukhar for psychological advice 987 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,860 when he lived in Soviet Union. 988 00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:12,740 So here you see someone who knows you very well, 989 00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:16,120 some of your inner mysteries, inner problems. 990 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,400 Working for your enemy. 991 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,080 - He is disturbing me, 992 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,790 and he is on the visual, (smacks fist) 993 00:47:23,790 --> 00:47:25,900 and on the mental (smacks fist) 994 00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:26,830 psychological, (smacks fist) 995 00:47:26,830 --> 00:47:28,110 and hypnotic connection (smacks fist) 996 00:47:28,110 --> 00:47:29,613 with Karpov! 997 00:47:30,555 --> 00:47:35,340 What is strictly prohibited by FIDE rules! 998 00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:40,897 - The Korchnoi team decided on a very scientific method 999 00:47:40,897 --> 00:47:44,557 of countering Dr Zukhar's powers. 1000 00:47:44,557 --> 00:47:48,030 Petra sat behind him in the auditorium, 1001 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:50,500 and poked him with a pencil. 1002 00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:51,920 - Most of them just were probably 1003 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,620 just had a laugh at the antics. 1004 00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:56,740 But having gone through the cycle later, 1005 00:47:56,740 --> 00:47:59,233 I can tell you that this is deadly serious stuff. 1006 00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:03,245 - One does lose a sense of proportion regarding 1007 00:48:03,245 --> 00:48:05,140 what's happening inside the cauldron 1008 00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:06,500 and what's happening outside. 1009 00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:08,680 But it's inevitable, because once you recognise 1010 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,245 chess is only a game you've lost the match. (laughing) 1011 00:48:12,245 --> 00:48:14,412 (ticking) 1012 00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:19,283 - Every time Karpov won his chef, 1013 00:48:19,283 --> 00:48:21,070 of course he had a personal chef in his entourage, 1014 00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:23,721 baked him a cake with the final position on. 1015 00:48:23,721 --> 00:48:28,340 And when Karpov won Game 17 from a lost position, 1016 00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:31,670 and unleashed a sudden check-mating attack from no where 1017 00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:33,520 with a couple of knights at the end, 1018 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,678 the first thing he did was eat the white king from the cake. 1019 00:48:36,678 --> 00:48:38,630 (applauding) 1020 00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:40,257 - In the Sport Committee 1021 00:48:40,257 --> 00:48:43,710 was a telephone where Parliamenter and Grand Master 1022 00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:44,640 were sitting. 1023 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,860 If Leonid Brezhnev ask, "What about the position?" 1024 00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:50,576 and, "How about our Anatoly?" 1025 00:48:50,576 --> 00:48:53,110 - Of course it's normal for any country 1026 00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:55,490 who has the World Champion to try to protect him. 1027 00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:58,380 The question is with what means? 1028 00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:01,620 - Viktor was aware that there was a possibility 1029 00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:03,890 that his personal safety might be threatened. 1030 00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:06,576 But it was something that didn't concern him. 1031 00:49:06,576 --> 00:49:09,630 - Although on one occasion he was 1032 00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:14,630 surrounded by bodyguards, it flashed across his mind that 1033 00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,020 well you know they could turn, 1034 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:19,270 they could be turned at any moment. 1035 00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:23,100 - Where he was careful about security 1036 00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:25,420 wasn't physical security, 1037 00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:27,800 but security of information. 1038 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,850 We were not allowed to analyse in the hotel room. 1039 00:49:31,850 --> 00:49:34,540 He was convinced that our rooms would be bugged. 1040 00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:36,140 - In the second half of the match, 1041 00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:38,240 I was appointed not just Chief Second, 1042 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:39,770 but also the Head of the delegation 1043 00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:42,330 which had been Petra Leeuwerik. 1044 00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:44,470 - There was a sort of period when Viktor 1045 00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:46,200 was sort of gradually trying to get 1046 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,363 some sort of foothold into the match. 1047 00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:53,095 Struggling for long periods, but always surviving. 1048 00:49:53,095 --> 00:49:55,262 (ticking) 1049 00:49:58,570 --> 00:50:00,636 - As long as Korchnoi doesn't lose, 1050 00:50:00,636 --> 00:50:04,180 he will continue putting this psychological pressure on 1051 00:50:04,180 --> 00:50:06,030 to put that final nail in the coffin. 1052 00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:08,470 - [Narrator] With Korchnoi unable to get himself 1053 00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:10,313 back into the match and score wins, 1054 00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:13,360 his delegation decided to counter 1055 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,480 the negative energies of the parapsychologist Dr Zukhar. 1056 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,880 - If there is any negative influence 1057 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,037 from the part of of Zukhar, 1058 00:50:20,037 --> 00:50:24,950 the meditation that Viktor is doing will block that. 1059 00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:26,430 - The Ananda Marga thing, 1060 00:50:26,430 --> 00:50:30,170 with these orange robed mystics, 1061 00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:32,000 levitating for victory for Korchnoi, 1062 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,500 that was a total shock! 1063 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:35,130 - [Reporter] The scandal was all the greater 1064 00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:37,200 because gurus were on bail, 1065 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,778 appealing after being convicted of the attempted murder 1066 00:50:39,778 --> 00:50:41,323 of an Indian diplomat. 1067 00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:43,570 - An Indian boy like me would have 1068 00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:44,770 been mystified by this stuff, 1069 00:50:44,770 --> 00:50:47,060 I mean you would think are they adults or what is this? 1070 00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:50,140 - We had all these yoga lessons 1071 00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:51,540 and then we were standing on our heads 1072 00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:53,303 and doing all sorts of odd things. 1073 00:50:56,890 --> 00:50:59,130 - I felt thought that this was quite funny. 1074 00:50:59,130 --> 00:51:02,014 People who had absolutely nothing to do with chess. 1075 00:51:02,014 --> 00:51:04,680 But he was probably right to do something like that 1076 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,540 because the Soviets got confused. 1077 00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:10,360 They couldn't understand something like that. 1078 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,330 - My friends come to the playing hall, 1079 00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:16,040 the security searched them and ask 1080 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,120 their identification cards. 1081 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,990 So it's very strange, it's kind of psychological pressure 1082 00:51:22,990 --> 00:51:27,990 all the time and the organizer's compromise is guilty. 1083 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,550 - What the Soviets did was almost self-defeating 1084 00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:36,680 because if you wanted Viktor to play at his very, very best 1085 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,043 make him angry, and boy did they make him angry! 1086 00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:43,480 - They use blackmail, 1087 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,480 they use all kind of pressure onto, 1088 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,480 onto the organise, onto the jury. 1089 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,553 That it's very difficult to, 1090 00:51:56,153 --> 00:51:59,610 well to fight with them. 1091 00:51:59,610 --> 00:52:01,220 - [Narrator] Despite the Korchnoi's delegation's 1092 00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:03,980 best efforts to counter the Soviet's gamesmanship, 1093 00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:08,100 Karpov won Game 27 when Korchnoi blundered in time trouble, 1094 00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:10,523 thereby taking a 5-2 lead in the match. 1095 00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:14,120 - Match is virtually over, I mean it's gone. 1096 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,123 All Karpov needs is one win, Viktor needs four. 1097 00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:21,550 - The Soviets thought they'd won the match. 1098 00:52:21,550 --> 00:52:24,647 So they agreed to withdraw Zukhar. 1099 00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:27,680 - Karpov relaxed early. 1100 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,550 And then he thought I am 5-2 ahead, 1101 00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:32,360 I am 20 years younger. 1102 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,270 - And Viktor's stages one of the greatest, 1103 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:38,790 most remarkable comebacks in the history of chess. 1104 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:41,540 - I have never come back from a three point deficit. 1105 00:52:41,540 --> 00:52:43,120 I can't recall anyone else who comes back 1106 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,190 from a three point deficit. 1107 00:52:44,190 --> 00:52:47,480 - The turning point came when there was an adjourn 1108 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,990 to co-pawn ending. 1109 00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:52,020 I remember Viktor going to the game 1110 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:54,890 not knowing what his first move was going to be 1111 00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:59,550 because the logical move lead to a draw. 1112 00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:03,560 So at the board, he played something else 1113 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,220 which was one of our sub-optimal lines. 1114 00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:08,840 Deliberately, and this is Viktor the Gambler, 1115 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,014 just to confuse Karpov. 1116 00:53:12,014 --> 00:53:14,773 And he succeeded, and he won the game. 1117 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,733 Then I sensed something was changing at that point. 1118 00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:21,250 - I don't know what happened, 1119 00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:25,690 I had some maybe psychological collapse. 1120 00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:30,003 And then Korchnoi won two games, almost in a row. 1121 00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:33,930 And then I had to suffer a lot. 1122 00:53:33,930 --> 00:53:37,620 And then another thing which was depressing for me 1123 00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:39,800 in Philippines, they have tradition 1124 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,320 to give women names to typhoons, from A, zed. 1125 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,050 And so to the end of this match, 1126 00:53:47,050 --> 00:53:51,500 the second alphabet was finishing. (laughing) 1127 00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,450 And so it was very depressing. 1128 00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:55,480 - He had sleeping problems. 1129 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,080 In fact what he claims is that this guy Zukhar, 1130 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,176 who was supposed to be a parapsychologist, 1131 00:54:01,176 --> 00:54:05,080 was there to help him to sleep. 1132 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,490 - Karpov's stamina was not strong enough 1133 00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:10,035 so he, he always at the end of them 1134 00:54:10,035 --> 00:54:13,650 he would always feel that he was losing his steam. 1135 00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:15,540 - We go hey and we're starting to win, 1136 00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:17,160 why are we starting to win? 1137 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,700 He's obviously very tired, right. 1138 00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:21,077 Let's go into long end games and see if we can win them. 1139 00:54:21,077 --> 00:54:22,510 And we did. 1140 00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:25,220 - Korchnoi highlighted one of Karpov's biggest weaknesses. 1141 00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:27,250 At the moment when decisive action is called for 1142 00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:28,403 he is very hesitant. 1143 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,850 - Amazingly at the end, Korchnoi was back. 1144 00:54:33,850 --> 00:54:37,820 - We thought Karpov was on the verge of cracking. 1145 00:54:37,820 --> 00:54:40,170 - [Narrator] When Korchnoi drew level at five wins each, 1146 00:54:40,170 --> 00:54:42,170 the storms in Baguio were nothing compared 1147 00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:43,810 to those brewing in Moscow. 1148 00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:46,550 The unthinkable, losing the world title 1149 00:54:46,550 --> 00:54:50,990 to a Soviet defector was almost becoming the probable. 1150 00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:53,597 - In Moscow was a congress of Komsomol, 1151 00:54:53,597 --> 00:54:56,057 Komsomol's a youth organisation. 1152 00:54:56,057 --> 00:54:58,627 And the Secretary said in his speech, 1153 00:54:58,627 --> 00:55:00,807 "Now it's 5-5, 1154 00:55:00,807 --> 00:55:05,807 "but Comrades, we are sure that victory 1155 00:55:06,869 --> 00:55:11,869 "will be on our side, on the Soviet side!" 1156 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,530 And the big applause of the audience. 1157 00:55:14,530 --> 00:55:18,810 - This was incredible I was, we were all in this moment 1158 00:55:18,810 --> 00:55:23,330 in Czechoslovakia was exactly for Korchnoi! 1159 00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:24,653 Not for Karpov. 1160 00:55:26,010 --> 00:55:29,770 - Vitaly Sevastyanov, famous Russian cosmonaut, 1161 00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:32,853 who was resident of Soviet Chess Federation, 1162 00:55:33,708 --> 00:55:36,130 he insisted I taked him out. 1163 00:55:36,130 --> 00:55:38,740 And then he went to Manila, 1164 00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:41,228 and they had world championship basketball. 1165 00:55:41,228 --> 00:55:43,478 (cheering) 1166 00:55:45,050 --> 00:55:46,523 And so I visited final match. 1167 00:55:47,530 --> 00:55:51,208 It was, extremely interesting match. 1168 00:55:51,208 --> 00:55:53,370 - Soviet Union is leading the whole match 1169 00:55:53,370 --> 00:55:55,960 and they are losing the last seconds to Yugoslavia. 1170 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,280 Can you imagine Karpov thinking 1171 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,710 that what going to happen to me. 1172 00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:59,543 Our guys are losing, 1173 00:55:59,543 --> 00:56:01,608 I'm going back and losing my final game. 1174 00:56:01,608 --> 00:56:03,497 - [Reporter] Good luck tonight, good luck to you. 1175 00:56:03,497 --> 00:56:04,330 - Okay thank you. 1176 00:56:04,330 --> 00:56:05,163 - [Reporter] Don't get so close! 1177 00:56:05,163 --> 00:56:05,996 Come on man! 1178 00:56:08,184 --> 00:56:10,490 - His main second, Yuri Balashov, 1179 00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:13,382 wrote after the match that we knew 1180 00:56:13,382 --> 00:56:18,382 that somebody was written already reports 1181 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,530 to KGB that there's something not good around Karpov. 1182 00:56:23,530 --> 00:56:27,540 And we understood that we will be punished 1183 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,190 in the Soviet Union, yes. 1184 00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:34,620 They knew how to punish, they knew how to punish. 1185 00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:36,640 - For Karpov returning back to the Soviet Union 1186 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,613 after losing to Korchnoi, (sighs) 1187 00:56:41,603 --> 00:56:43,120 that would be quite a challenge. 1188 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,510 - So Korchnoi has now pulled back 1189 00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:49,230 from 5-2 down to five each. 1190 00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:52,025 And he's won three of last four games. 1191 00:56:52,025 --> 00:56:55,383 And various things happened at this point. 1192 00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:59,240 One was that the President of the World Chess Federation, 1193 00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,667 Dr Max Euwe came to me and said, 1194 00:57:01,667 --> 00:57:03,207 "Let's just call the match off shall we? 1195 00:57:03,207 --> 00:57:05,247 "We'll call it a draw, 1196 00:57:05,247 --> 00:57:07,970 "and we'll have another match next year." 1197 00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:12,123 My first thought was, if I suggest this to Korchnoi, 1198 00:57:13,501 --> 00:57:15,763 and he says yes, 1199 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,890 he may have thrown away his chance of winning the match 1200 00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:21,979 because we just won three in a row essentially. 1201 00:57:21,979 --> 00:57:25,610 But if he says no, then he plays the next game 1202 00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:27,547 he may wish that he agreed to do it 1203 00:57:27,547 --> 00:57:29,880 and it may affect his play. 1204 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,890 So the first dilemma is do I tell Korchnoi 1205 00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:33,530 or do I just take the decision myself 1206 00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:36,310 as the head of the delegation? 1207 00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:37,870 My second thought was, 1208 00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:39,482 what is the world gonna say 1209 00:57:39,482 --> 00:57:41,847 when it's got to a most exciting point 1210 00:57:41,847 --> 00:57:43,630 and we call it off? 1211 00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:45,210 So I said to Euwe no, 1212 00:57:45,210 --> 00:57:47,062 I said we're not gonna do that. 1213 00:57:47,062 --> 00:57:48,300 We're not even gonna tell Korchnoi, 1214 00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,502 let's forget that you suggested it 1215 00:57:50,502 --> 00:57:52,470 because I think it was a illegitimate suggestion. 1216 00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:55,820 - In Baguio there was a referee Lothar Schmid. 1217 00:57:55,820 --> 00:58:00,040 He was very, very careful. 1218 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,820 Cus he wants to be always referee. 1219 00:58:02,820 --> 00:58:05,810 And suddenly he has some reason that he said 1220 00:58:05,810 --> 00:58:08,810 no, I can not be there for the last game 1221 00:58:08,810 --> 00:58:12,380 and he really left Baguio. 1222 00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:17,380 He was afraid, what happens when Korchnoi 1223 00:58:18,690 --> 00:58:23,690 would suddenly win this match? 1224 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,850 - We knew that the Soviets were going to do something, 1225 00:58:25,850 --> 00:58:28,830 and the degree of pressure and influence 1226 00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:31,382 they bought to bough reached it's zenith 1227 00:58:31,382 --> 00:58:33,130 after that 32nd game. 1228 00:58:33,130 --> 00:58:36,420 - Phillip was the second referee in Baguio 1229 00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:40,210 and I think that he was corroborating with Russian. 1230 00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:45,210 He was also main referee during the last game in Baguio. 1231 00:58:46,030 --> 00:58:48,470 This I did not like. 1232 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:50,640 - The Soviets immediately broke (laughing) 1233 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,640 their agreements about having Dr Zukhar near the front row. 1234 00:58:56,660 --> 00:58:59,690 - Phillip should not allow Zukhar that he could 1235 00:58:59,690 --> 00:59:03,480 suddenly be in the first ring or two! 1236 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,280 He has not done it! 1237 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,210 I said he was paid for it! 1238 00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:10,523 - They also insisted that we take the Ananda Marga people 1239 00:59:10,523 --> 00:59:13,710 who were supporting Korchnoi out of town. 1240 00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:16,970 - We have bene keeping track of the activities 1241 00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:21,830 of Ananda Marga Michael Dwyer and Victoria Shepherd, 1242 00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:24,210 convicted felons out on bail. 1243 00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,710 We have reported the presence and recent activities 1244 00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:31,120 of Dwyer and Shepherd to the PC-INP 1245 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,273 Provision Commander in Bangued Province. 1246 00:59:34,450 --> 00:59:37,950 - Personally I wasn't too sorry to see them kicked out, 1247 00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:40,000 on the other hand I didn't want Korchnoi to feel 1248 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,570 that he has been disavowed by having been kicked out. 1249 00:59:42,570 --> 00:59:45,630 - Viktor didn't understand whey the, 1250 00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:48,860 these meditating people weren't there in the morning. 1251 00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:51,362 - I sensed this was a desperate, last ditch attempt 1252 00:59:51,362 --> 00:59:54,550 from all sides obviously just to stop the match. 1253 00:59:54,550 --> 00:59:56,443 Russians putting Zukhar back, 1254 00:59:56,443 --> 01:00:00,160 Ananda Marga being, threatened with being removed from town. 1255 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,080 But I thought hey guys, this implies that we're actually 1256 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,573 gonna win on the chess board. 1257 01:00:06,189 --> 01:00:07,520 (sirens chirping) 1258 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,270 (dramatic music) 1259 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,350 - Korchnoi snips on my condition and my form. 1260 01:00:18,350 --> 01:00:22,770 And then he decides that he must play for win, 1261 01:00:22,770 --> 01:00:24,790 doesn't matter, white or black. 1262 01:00:24,790 --> 01:00:28,340 After Manila I was ready for big fight. 1263 01:00:28,340 --> 01:00:31,003 - Now Viktor was to win with the black pieces. 1264 01:00:32,340 --> 01:00:37,340 Which is a real no-no at the world's top level. 1265 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,410 - You don't have to try to win, Karpov will collapse. 1266 01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:40,690 Because he has been collapsing. 1267 01:00:40,690 --> 01:00:43,937 He had to play for quiet position, 1268 01:00:43,937 --> 01:00:47,630 maybe slightly worse, but not to give Karpov chance. 1269 01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:49,810 - Nobody was going to say to him, 1270 01:00:49,810 --> 01:00:52,910 oh just steady old chap, just take it easy for a game, 1271 01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:54,710 you'll be fine I mean nobody was 1272 01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:56,970 going to say that to Viktor! 1273 01:00:56,970 --> 01:00:59,270 - Here is Anatoly with the white pieces, 1274 01:00:59,270 --> 01:01:02,610 Game 32, what the hell just happened? 1275 01:01:02,610 --> 01:01:05,960 How did Korchnoi manage to tie the match? 1276 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,510 What! 1277 01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:11,410 You're gonna play that ridiculous defence against me? 1278 01:01:11,410 --> 01:01:12,660 - Korchnoi played the opening which 1279 01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:14,680 he never played against me. 1280 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,650 It's clear Korchnoi played for win. 1281 01:01:16,650 --> 01:01:19,840 But there was word that it would be complicate game. 1282 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,880 And probably I would not carry tension 1283 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,530 for two, three, four, or five more games. 1284 01:01:26,530 --> 01:01:29,713 - Playing this slightly risky opening in this crunch game, 1285 01:01:29,713 --> 01:01:32,910 it says everything about Viktor. 1286 01:01:32,910 --> 01:01:35,480 - It was a dumb thing to do but he just you know, 1287 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,000 if you're playing an exhausted opponent 1288 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,580 who's run out of ideas. 1289 01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:40,760 To give him a totally fresh field of combat 1290 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,270 is a strategic and psychological blunder. 1291 01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:46,875 - Well Viktor just walked into the worst uppercut ever. 1292 01:01:46,875 --> 01:01:50,830 - Micheal suggested the idea of the move c5 1293 01:01:50,830 --> 01:01:52,610 in the Pirc defence. 1294 01:01:52,610 --> 01:01:57,158 And I wasn't happy with this at all, 1295 01:01:57,158 --> 01:01:59,680 because they way Michael wanted to play it 1296 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,934 he wanted to put the black queen's bishop on B7. 1297 01:02:02,934 --> 01:02:06,400 And then it looks like he's biting into runners on D5. 1298 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,350 Actually Murey was dead against this. 1299 01:02:08,350 --> 01:02:10,440 And I was dead against this. 1300 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,870 As I was the expert on the Pirc defence 1301 01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:13,570 everybody thought it was head! (laughing) 1302 01:02:13,570 --> 01:02:17,180 - It was excellent game, this last game. 1303 01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:18,730 Excellent game, 1304 01:02:18,730 --> 01:02:20,360 on the chess level. 1305 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,156 - There are so many things that you can, 1306 01:02:23,156 --> 01:02:23,989 that you can get wrong. 1307 01:02:23,989 --> 01:02:25,950 Just one false move and you're dead. 1308 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:28,654 I was so nervous I couldn't watch the game. 1309 01:02:28,654 --> 01:02:31,283 - Korchnoi wins! Ah! 1310 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,127 Oh my god. 1311 01:02:39,983 --> 01:02:43,380 (speaking foreign language) 1312 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:46,530 - We are happy to meet you on the occasion 1313 01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:49,620 of the finish of the World Chess Championship Match. 1314 01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:51,473 Your champion, Anatoly Karpov! 1315 01:02:51,473 --> 01:02:52,330 (applauding) 1316 01:02:52,330 --> 01:02:53,460 - [Narrator] The Soviets celebrated 1317 01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:55,560 more out of relief than happiness. 1318 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,860 Had Korchnoi won, the KGB's response to this event 1319 01:02:58,860 --> 01:02:59,910 was unknown. 1320 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,140 - I think if Korchnoi had won the championship, 1321 01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:05,850 the Soviet's would've done everything 1322 01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:07,550 they possibly could to get it back again. 1323 01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:09,920 - What would have happened if Korchnoi had won? 1324 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,000 Korchnoi claims that he would have been shot. 1325 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,330 - He may have saved his own life by not winning that game. 1326 01:03:15,330 --> 01:03:16,520 Because had he won, 1327 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,420 we have it on the authority of Mikhail Tal, 1328 01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:20,520 who was one of Karpov's seconds, 1329 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,957 Tal said, "Viktor had you won that match, 1330 01:03:22,957 --> 01:03:24,157 "you were a marked man." 1331 01:03:25,570 --> 01:03:27,777 - I think that having him assassinated by the KGB 1332 01:03:27,777 --> 01:03:29,850 would have made it rather obvious 1333 01:03:29,850 --> 01:03:31,520 where the assassination had come from. 1334 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,510 - The KGB involved, so everything was possible in that time, 1335 01:03:36,510 --> 01:03:38,240 everything was possible. 1336 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,816 - [Narrator] Game 32 was a game too far for Viktor Korchnoi. 1337 01:03:41,816 --> 01:03:45,070 Karpov had outplayed him in an unfamiliar opening system 1338 01:03:45,070 --> 01:03:47,912 and shown the instinct of a true champion. 1339 01:03:47,912 --> 01:03:50,611 - Credit should be given to Karpov, 1340 01:03:50,611 --> 01:03:53,610 that he didn't crack under pressure. 1341 01:03:53,610 --> 01:03:55,230 Many people would have. 1342 01:03:55,230 --> 01:03:57,710 - Even if I don't, I did not like it, 1343 01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:59,512 especially in the time! 1344 01:03:59,512 --> 01:04:01,235 Karpov was better. 1345 01:04:01,235 --> 01:04:02,990 - [Narrator] After the huge disappointment 1346 01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:04,920 of losing the match Korchnoi refused 1347 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,250 to sign the score sheet for the last game. 1348 01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:10,220 He then criticised his Head of Delegation, Ray Keene, 1349 01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:11,840 accusing him of spending too much time 1350 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,150 with his Soviet counterpart Baturinsky 1351 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:15,700 and too much time in the press centre 1352 01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:17,610 preparing his forthcoming book on the match. 1353 01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:20,392 - And then the whole thing turned to rat shit. 1354 01:04:20,392 --> 01:04:22,851 Petra truly quite philosophically, 1355 01:04:22,851 --> 01:04:25,032 but Korchnoi in my opinion, 1356 01:04:25,032 --> 01:04:27,270 wrongly boycotted the closing ceremony. 1357 01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:28,850 - We weren't interested in the protocol. 1358 01:04:28,850 --> 01:04:31,200 We weren't interested in anything. 1359 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,110 We just wanted to get out. 1360 01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:34,570 - [Keene] He left me to represent him, 1361 01:04:34,570 --> 01:04:37,470 which I tried to do with as much dignity as I could muster. 1362 01:04:37,470 --> 01:04:40,280 Certainly if I'd broke off the team at that point. 1363 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:45,280 - Could he have won if it was just a fair match? 1364 01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:48,350 Who knows, he never got that. 1365 01:04:48,350 --> 01:04:50,620 - Phillip half an hour later, 1366 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:55,000 he was throwing all dirties on Korchnoi. 1367 01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,000 Traitor, he betrayed, you know, he was cheating! 1368 01:05:00,330 --> 01:05:05,330 - There was this deep feeling of anger. 1369 01:05:05,809 --> 01:05:08,550 That the Soviets were allowed to get away with 1370 01:05:08,550 --> 01:05:10,690 what they got away with. 1371 01:05:10,690 --> 01:05:11,971 - I've only felt that Korchnoi 1372 01:05:11,971 --> 01:05:14,020 for the punishment he took in that match. 1373 01:05:14,020 --> 01:05:16,400 All the family issues, and all the other issues 1374 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,850 that came into these matches. 1375 01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:22,333 It would've hurt a weaker man. 1376 01:05:25,338 --> 01:05:27,941 - I was very disappointed when he finally lost. 1377 01:05:27,941 --> 01:05:31,360 I remember receiving this Soviet chess newspaper 1378 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,570 in the post with this incredible photo 1379 01:05:33,570 --> 01:05:36,903 of Karpov receiving the Order of Lenin from Brezhnev. 1380 01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:41,540 - [Narrator] As soon as Korchnoi returned 1381 01:05:41,540 --> 01:05:44,970 to competitive chess, the Battle of Baguio was behind him. 1382 01:05:44,970 --> 01:05:47,090 As a survivor of the Siege of Leningrad, 1383 01:05:47,090 --> 01:05:50,980 he learned to think about the next day, not the last one. 1384 01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:53,513 - Two days after he lost the match, 1385 01:05:53,513 --> 01:05:56,560 Korchnoi gave his exhibition in Hong Kong, 1386 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,710 and the next day 1387 01:05:58,710 --> 01:06:03,710 he flew from Hong Kong to Buenos Aires, 1388 01:06:04,410 --> 01:06:08,610 was Chess Olympiad to play for Switzerland. 1389 01:06:08,610 --> 01:06:11,490 And I met him there and he looked 1390 01:06:11,490 --> 01:06:14,770 not as unhappy man, not at all. 1391 01:06:14,770 --> 01:06:16,470 Not at all! 1392 01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:19,880 Because he could play chess. 1393 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,220 - Once he saw a chess board, 1394 01:06:21,220 --> 01:06:23,230 everything changed. 1395 01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:24,920 - He becomes the best player of Olympics! 1396 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,160 Scoring +8 on the first board, 1397 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,460 and he wins the Chess Oscar 1978 1398 01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:31,110 in spite for losing this match! 1399 01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:33,530 - He was still in chess. 1400 01:06:33,530 --> 01:06:35,003 He was still in business. 1401 01:06:36,460 --> 01:06:38,100 - [Narrator] Incredibly, Viktor Korchnoi 1402 01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:39,950 was again going to win the right to challenge 1403 01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:42,180 Anatoly Karpov for the World Chess Title 1404 01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:46,066 at Morano in 1981 at the age of 50. 1405 01:06:46,066 --> 01:06:49,670 - Whether it be in '74, in '78, 1406 01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:54,093 in '81, he had become three times the challenger. 1407 01:06:55,570 --> 01:06:58,690 - Viktor Korchnoi did what he wanted on the chess board. 1408 01:06:58,690 --> 01:07:01,580 He said what he wanted off the chess board. 1409 01:07:01,580 --> 01:07:04,050 He was completely his own man. 1410 01:07:04,050 --> 01:07:06,940 - So dynamic, so aggressive. 1411 01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:09,500 I would say even arrogant in the good sense of this word. 1412 01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:12,340 In his 50s and 60s and even 70s. 1413 01:07:12,340 --> 01:07:14,110 - [Narrator] Korchnoi's stunning results 1414 01:07:14,110 --> 01:07:16,460 continued even into his 80s. 1415 01:07:16,460 --> 01:07:19,530 His victory at Gibraltar in 2011 1416 01:07:19,530 --> 01:07:22,470 over World Championship Candidate Fabiano Caruana, 1417 01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:24,270 nearly 60 years his junior, 1418 01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:26,749 caused a sensation in the chess world. 1419 01:07:26,749 --> 01:07:29,310 - When I looked at the quality of the game, 1420 01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:30,690 and it's amazing! 1421 01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:31,870 - He was very happy. 1422 01:07:31,870 --> 01:07:33,760 I remember he came to me and said, 1423 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,080 you know I finished meditations again. 1424 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,750 Would you like to read it? 1425 01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:42,750 And then he like giggled like, did he like or not yeah? 1426 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,050 - Korchnoi and myself had problems playing tournaments. 1427 01:07:47,050 --> 01:07:49,112 But then we start to play tournaments 1428 01:07:49,112 --> 01:07:54,112 and once I can say organisers and players are astonish 1429 01:07:56,060 --> 01:07:58,810 because we played bridge together. 1430 01:07:58,810 --> 01:08:02,470 Like many years ago in Leningrad and Moscow. 1431 01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:05,370 - In Brussels '87 they played a game. 1432 01:08:05,370 --> 01:08:09,210 And it was dead draw but Karpov apparently 1433 01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:13,150 didn't want to, to agree to a draw. 1434 01:08:13,150 --> 01:08:15,090 He had maybe a slight edge 1435 01:08:15,090 --> 01:08:17,332 but it was nothing going on there. 1436 01:08:17,332 --> 01:08:19,607 For a moment Korchnoi touched his king 1437 01:08:19,607 --> 01:08:22,450 and it was fatal, you couldn't touch the king. 1438 01:08:22,450 --> 01:08:27,170 Then he took his king and he threw it 1439 01:08:27,170 --> 01:08:30,790 through the playing hall. (laughing) 1440 01:08:30,790 --> 01:08:32,313 That was his way of resigning. 1441 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,574 And then Korchnoi for my team 1442 01:08:36,574 --> 01:08:39,935 and we couldn't get visa to Soviet Union. 1443 01:08:39,935 --> 01:08:41,514 Consul says that he doesn't believe 1444 01:08:41,514 --> 01:08:43,898 that Korchnoi can be on my team. 1445 01:08:43,898 --> 01:08:46,800 I called Consul and I said Korchnoi is correct, 1446 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,390 he's on my team and we play in the time. 1447 01:08:49,390 --> 01:08:50,663 Could you give visa? 1448 01:08:51,736 --> 01:08:54,340 Korchnoi was very surprised that I called our embassy 1449 01:08:54,340 --> 01:08:59,330 and to give him chance to receive visa. 1450 01:08:59,330 --> 01:09:02,143 And after this our relation started even to be, 1451 01:09:02,143 --> 01:09:05,800 even better and so he played I think three seasons 1452 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:06,633 for my team. 1453 01:09:08,030 --> 01:09:09,357 - [Interviewer] So did you ever discuss 1454 01:09:09,357 --> 01:09:11,937 the 1978 World Championship? 1455 01:09:11,937 --> 01:09:13,850 - No, no, no, no, no! 1456 01:09:13,850 --> 01:09:16,083 (laughing) Certainly not! (laughing) 1457 01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:21,430 I knew it wouldn't be a nice memory for him. 1458 01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:23,977 So why to tease him? 1459 01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:29,830 - [Narrator] Following a stroke and heart complications, 1460 01:09:29,830 --> 01:09:33,048 Viktor Korchnoi received treatment in a Swiss clinic. 1461 01:09:33,048 --> 01:09:36,080 His uncompromising will to fight on the chess board 1462 01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:39,480 now became his battle in everyday life. 1463 01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:41,910 - We went to visit Viktor in the hospital. 1464 01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:43,810 And Viktor was in very bad condition, 1465 01:09:43,810 --> 01:09:45,333 but then we put chess board. 1466 01:09:46,530 --> 01:09:49,563 And his eyes focused and kind of played a game. 1467 01:09:50,530 --> 01:09:53,960 I start showing him something and he said, "No, let's play." 1468 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,180 And you know his eyes focused 1469 01:09:56,180 --> 01:09:58,720 and he start making excellent moves. 1470 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,840 And the game was going to end in a draw, 1471 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,990 and he put a last trap, and he thought he was winning, 1472 01:10:04,990 --> 01:10:06,890 and said, "auf wiedersehen" in German. 1473 01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:22,500 - The day Viktor died chess lost its greatest figure ever. 1474 01:10:24,090 --> 01:10:27,090 - He told us, guys all of you have potential 1475 01:10:27,090 --> 01:10:28,570 to become World Champions. 1476 01:10:28,570 --> 01:10:31,910 I reached my peak at 47 in Baguio. 1477 01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:35,010 And this words I remember forever. 1478 01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:37,910 - He will probably remembered more 1479 01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:41,390 than other, some world champions. 1480 01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:45,670 - Korchnoi's legacy to chess is multi facet. 1481 01:10:45,670 --> 01:10:46,883 - People loved Korchnoi. 1482 01:10:47,890 --> 01:10:49,800 People, especially chess people. 1483 01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,260 - This is really one of the all time greats. 1484 01:10:54,260 --> 01:10:57,370 - Viktor was just this super human character. 1485 01:10:57,370 --> 01:11:00,150 He was a hero in the classic sense of the word. 1486 01:11:00,150 --> 01:11:01,233 He was a fighter. 1487 01:11:03,130 --> 01:11:04,690 - Petra did something very gracious, 1488 01:11:04,690 --> 01:11:08,260 so she had a special piece of jewellery with the number 13, 1489 01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:10,470 it was just in with all diamonds, 1490 01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:14,250 she needed for Baguio for Korchnoi's victory. 1491 01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:16,020 She expected him to be the 13th World Champion, 1492 01:11:16,020 --> 01:11:17,390 and she gave it to my mother. 1493 01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:18,859 Said this is for you, 1494 01:11:18,859 --> 01:11:19,880 because Garry will be 13th World Champion. 1495 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,718 And my mother still keeps it. 1496 01:11:21,718 --> 01:11:23,930 That's like a sign of great honour. 1497 01:11:23,930 --> 01:11:27,050 - After all these years many of the unkind things he said 1498 01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:30,710 about me, to my face, he never, never, 1499 01:11:30,710 --> 01:11:32,220 Viktor would never said it behind your back. 1500 01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:33,970 Some of the fondest things I remember of him. 1501 01:11:33,970 --> 01:11:36,160 - When Viktor left the Soviet Union, 1502 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:41,160 he knew that he was leaving behind his wife and son. 1503 01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:43,617 - They escaped eventually. 1504 01:11:43,617 --> 01:11:46,300 But it wasn't guaranteed. 1505 01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:49,740 I'm not sure you can do this, but he did it. 1506 01:11:49,740 --> 01:11:54,740 - He would literally give up all of his possessions 1507 01:11:56,340 --> 01:11:59,330 and relationships for chess. 1508 01:11:59,330 --> 01:12:01,473 - Nobody played in chess history like Korchnoi. 1509 01:12:02,362 --> 01:12:06,510 It's very difficult to play the way how he played. 1510 01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:10,530 - Sometime I say Rusty come, you like chess, you like it. 1511 01:12:10,530 --> 01:12:13,330 But now you have to fight like Viktor. 1512 01:12:13,330 --> 01:12:17,310 - He is a symbol of somebody 1513 01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:22,310 who tried to fight alone against such a monster 1514 01:12:24,739 --> 01:12:26,823 which was the Soviet Union. 1515 01:12:28,010 --> 01:12:30,290 - Viktor's legacy as an individual was defined 1516 01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:34,200 by his fight against a system. 1517 01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,080 But that system no longer exists. 1518 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,763 And so in a sense, 1519 01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:43,397 there's a danger his legacy will be lost 1520 01:12:43,397 --> 01:12:44,810 and I don't think it should be. 1521 01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:49,143 Because, his was a wonderful example. 1522 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,360 - [Narrator] After the epic Karpov and Korchnoi 1523 01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,216 chess struggles were over and he had retired from chess, 1524 01:12:59,216 --> 01:13:02,903 Karpov became a member of Vladimir Putin's government. 1525 01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,700 - I always view Karpov as a, 1526 01:13:05,700 --> 01:13:08,400 not as a just you know a personal enemy, 1527 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,420 but more like a tool of the system. 1528 01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:13,975 - He a tendency to use the rules, 1529 01:13:13,975 --> 01:13:16,420 the FIDE rules, to his advantage. 1530 01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:17,780 - No matter what change was made 1531 01:13:17,780 --> 01:13:22,780 over since 1977 to 1997, you always find one beneficiary. 1532 01:13:24,610 --> 01:13:25,600 It was Anatoly Karpov. 1533 01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,190 - It was more important keeping the privilege he had gotten 1534 01:13:28,190 --> 01:13:29,534 rather than worrying about whether 1535 01:13:29,534 --> 01:13:31,460 the world would look on it kindly or not. 1536 01:13:31,460 --> 01:13:33,476 In that sense he's an extreme, 1537 01:13:33,476 --> 01:13:36,280 I don't know what the word, cynic or pragmatist. 1538 01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,590 - When I played him in 1992 he came alone with this 1539 01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:44,450 parapsychologist just sitting in the front row, 1540 01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:46,372 staring at me. 1541 01:13:46,372 --> 01:13:51,372 Those underhand tactics are part of the Karpov armoury. 1542 01:13:51,550 --> 01:13:54,020 - I think he's one of the greatest ever. 1543 01:13:54,020 --> 01:13:57,370 Definitely the strongest player of the world for 10 years. 1544 01:13:57,370 --> 01:14:00,530 - Not only did he defend his title twice 1545 01:14:00,530 --> 01:14:03,120 against Korchnoi but also he had 1546 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:08,007 these extraordinary matches against Kasparov in the 1980s. 1547 01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:13,290 - As World Champion he was regal, impervious. 1548 01:14:13,290 --> 01:14:18,290 Then he lost the world championship to Garry Kasparov, 1549 01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:22,000 and in the world of chess it's often stated 1550 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,400 he regained his humanity. 1551 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,830 - He becomes less fanatic. 1552 01:14:26,830 --> 01:14:29,330 I think it's the same as Kasparov. 1553 01:14:29,330 --> 01:14:30,973 He becomes more sociable. 1554 01:14:30,973 --> 01:14:34,810 - As a person I've grown to like Karpov immensely. 1555 01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:36,310 I think time and certain distance 1556 01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:38,390 from my own matches with him have put things 1557 01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:39,930 in a certain perspective. 1558 01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:42,354 He's actually a very witty, charming person. 1559 01:14:42,354 --> 01:14:44,926 Unbelievably good company. 1560 01:14:44,926 --> 01:14:48,510 - Anatoly as the world champion received 1561 01:14:48,510 --> 01:14:51,220 enormous benefits that he happily, 1562 01:14:51,220 --> 01:14:53,570 happily, happily accepted. 1563 01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:56,257 Later he would reflect and say (scoffs) 1564 01:14:56,257 --> 01:14:58,914 I was being an ass, wasn't it? (laughing) 1565 01:14:58,914 --> 01:15:02,040 And your're like, but he could never, ever say that 1566 01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,683 in his first world. 1567 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,810 - [Narrator] Kasparov also retired 1568 01:15:06,810 --> 01:15:09,670 from competitive chess in 2005, 1569 01:15:09,670 --> 01:15:11,840 but continued to be an outspoken critic 1570 01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,120 of Russia's democracy. 1571 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,763 In 2007, Kasparov was arrested and imprisoned 1572 01:15:17,763 --> 01:15:20,933 after an anti-Kremlin demonstration in Moscow. 1573 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,450 (chanting) 1574 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,690 - So many people that I treated as friends, 1575 01:15:27,690 --> 01:15:29,060 they didn't even call my mother. 1576 01:15:29,060 --> 01:15:30,410 And Karpov showed up in jail. 1577 01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:34,050 I wanted to see in which condition he is. 1578 01:15:34,050 --> 01:15:35,523 But they didn't allow me. 1579 01:15:36,370 --> 01:15:37,600 - Tried to bring these magazines, 1580 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,660 he actually, the prison guard brought it to me 1581 01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:42,430 and said, "It's from Karpov." 1582 01:15:42,430 --> 01:15:44,400 I said, "Come on, I know Karpov." (scoffs) 1583 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,227 He said, "No, Karpov brought it to you." 1584 01:15:46,227 --> 01:15:49,470 - I know that many police officers, they play chess. 1585 01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:51,880 They have chess sets and chess clocks. 1586 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,060 And so if they would allow me to enter 1587 01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:58,290 and then we could play so it would a fantastic news 1588 01:15:58,290 --> 01:16:01,020 for all this in the world. 1589 01:16:01,020 --> 01:16:02,570 And so they missed it. 1590 01:16:02,570 --> 01:16:04,270 - I don't know why he did it. 1591 01:16:04,270 --> 01:16:08,872 It's maybe some kind of solidarity 1592 01:16:08,872 --> 01:16:10,480 with what's past it called 1593 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,515 the smallest trade union in the world, 1594 01:16:12,515 --> 01:16:14,407 the World of World Champions. 1595 01:16:14,407 --> 01:16:15,633 But he did show up. 1596 01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:20,563 Which had a very deep and profound effect on me. 1597 01:16:25,496 --> 01:16:27,640 - [Narrator] The Korchnoi versus Karpov match 1598 01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,770 highlighted the bitter internal struggle 1599 01:16:29,770 --> 01:16:32,930 of a Soviet system trying desperately to cling to power 1600 01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:35,223 against the emerging perestroika movement. 1601 01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:39,090 - It was not just a fight between two individuals, 1602 01:16:39,090 --> 01:16:41,990 that were so different in everything. 1603 01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:44,047 But it also was a political challenge. 1604 01:16:44,047 --> 01:16:47,880 And the political challenge of rebel against the system, 1605 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,940 he failed, but he showed the vulnerability of the system. 1606 01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:54,432 - It was not black and white, there were, 1607 01:16:54,432 --> 01:16:57,110 there are shades of colours you know. 1608 01:16:57,110 --> 01:17:00,480 And Korchnoi, Korchnoi was not an angel at all. 1609 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:04,096 And Karpov was not a monstrous figure at all. 1610 01:17:04,096 --> 01:17:06,450 (applauding) 1611 01:17:06,450 --> 01:17:09,040 - All of them were heroes, 1612 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,800 and all villains. 1613 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,820 But the definitely the hero was 1614 01:17:13,820 --> 01:17:16,663 the KGB because the main goal, 1615 01:17:17,829 --> 01:17:22,829 namely to keep the world title in the Soviet Union 1616 01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:25,223 was done. 1617 01:17:29,380 --> 01:17:31,230 - [Narrator] The Karpov versus Korchnoi matches 1618 01:17:31,230 --> 01:17:33,833 were the last hurrah of the KGB. 1619 01:17:35,550 --> 01:17:38,130 The emergence of Garry Kasparov's generation 1620 01:17:38,130 --> 01:17:41,263 would see the KGB's power over chess weaken. 1621 01:17:43,050 --> 01:17:44,770 - The Soviet authorities blocked us 1622 01:17:44,770 --> 01:17:47,470 from shaking hands with the defectors. 1623 01:17:47,470 --> 01:17:49,720 And then when I was forced to played Korchnoi, 1624 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,300 I was told by KGB guy on the team, 1625 01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:53,970 that you remember the rule. 1626 01:17:53,970 --> 01:17:55,670 I said basically F you. 1627 01:17:55,670 --> 01:17:57,770 You want me to play, I shake his hand. 1628 01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:59,580 I had tremendous respect for the man, 1629 01:17:59,580 --> 01:18:01,600 so it was my first rebellion. 1630 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,930 - [Narrator] The clock was finally running out 1631 01:18:03,930 --> 01:18:08,060 for the old guard of Baturinsky and his Cold War chess men. 1632 01:18:08,060 --> 01:18:13,040 - In 1991 I have seen him in Moscow and he was really 1633 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,190 very shabby and he was drunk, 1634 01:18:15,190 --> 01:18:18,060 and he had not job any more by KGB. 1635 01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:21,100 - He was in bad shape later on when Communism fell. 1636 01:18:21,100 --> 01:18:22,780 - He didn't have much money left and 1637 01:18:22,780 --> 01:18:24,360 Karpov bought his library. 1638 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,480 - After Baturinsky died in 2002, 1639 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:30,500 Korchnoi start to speak his big respect, 1640 01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:32,270 he like Baturinsky. 1641 01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:35,283 He had respect for him as a professional. 1642 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,267 To make from KGB people are people demons, 1643 01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:45,440 I don't think it's right, they were the same people 1644 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:49,390 with drinking problems, women problems, 1645 01:18:49,390 --> 01:18:52,680 everything problems and everything only working 1646 01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,270 for this organisation. 1647 01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:59,680 The percent of the KGB who asked for political asylum 1648 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:04,680 in the West are higher than any other proper profession. 1649 01:19:05,410 --> 01:19:09,960 Because they could go regularly to the West, 1650 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:14,323 and they could see with all eyes, what is difference. 1651 01:19:16,540 --> 01:19:18,310 - [Anand] That world is gone forever. 1652 01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:20,760 It'll be a long time before a chess match 1653 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,721 is seen as a proxy for geo-political agendas. 1654 01:19:24,721 --> 01:19:27,020 (thoughtful music) 1655 01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:29,350 Now what we have is youngsters 1656 01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:31,300 just having a fun game of chess. 1657 01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:33,080 - In Baguio it was 32 games. 1658 01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,910 But look at the World Championship now, 12 games. 1659 01:19:36,910 --> 01:19:37,750 It's nothing. 1660 01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:39,670 - It's not a patch on those guys in the 70s. 1661 01:19:39,670 --> 01:19:43,780 The 70s and the 80s, that era is special 1662 01:19:43,780 --> 01:19:45,080 and it'll never come back. 1663 01:19:47,556 --> 01:19:50,306 (dramatic music) 1664 01:21:20,598 --> 01:21:23,431 (dramatic music) 124046

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