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>>DAVID WILCOCK: Hello.

Welcome to "Cosmic Disclosure."

I'm your host, David Wilcock.

And in this episode, whereI'm here with Corey Goode,

our insider's insider from the space program,

we are going to be talkingabout the science of time

even further.

And I want to start to dialogue with him

a little bit about some of the things

that I've studied in thisvery fascinating subject.

Because when we start to getinto the real world data,

things get very interesting.

So, Corey, welcome to the show.

>>COREY GOODE: Thank you.

>>DAVID: Let's kick this offby bringing in a data point

from a book by a Chineseguy named Paul Dong called

"China's Super Psychics."

And in this book, he describes working

with the Chinese government, where

they find these children who have

advanced psychic capabilities.

One of the experiments thatis documented in this book

is a human being who had the ability

to teleport a small object.

And the object would appear to fade out

of existence in one location.

And it would fade in in another location.

So what the Chinese wantedto do was to figure out,

OK, what's really going on here?

And how does this work?

So apparently they put a beeper on the device.

And the beeper was setto beep in a certain time

sequence at a certain rhythm.

What they found was that as the object starts

to fade out of existence, thebeeps became slower and slower.

As if time itself was changing in speed.

And then it was just as slow when

it shows up on the other side.

And then it would speedback up to its normal rate.

So is it possible for us to beable to affect time and space

as a singularity like that?

>>GOODE: Well, we can affect time and space

and matter with ourconsciousness, which is exactly

what that person was doing.

>>DAVID: Right.

>>GOODE: And time and space-- we'd call it

spacetime, time-space for a reason.

So, yeah.

That experiment showed howintertwined and related

the two are, in my opinion.

>>DAVID: Now in Einstein'sbasic physics model,

he does allow for time to shift.

But it only can be done within an area

that you're acceleratingtowards the speed of light,

like a craft, let's say.

We know that in the 1970s,they took molecular clocks

and flew them in airplanes.

And that they confirmed thisEinstein relativistic drag is

true.

>>GOODE: The atomic clocks?

>>DAVID: Right.

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: The real gems here seem to be

that time is locally variable.

That you can actually accelerateor decelerate the rate of time

in a small area.

Now the conventional physicistswho are watching the show,

the skeptics, are going tosay, oh, that's impossible.

So is this part of the physics that we're

going to have to change?

>>GOODE: Definitely.

And I know that you'reprobably familiar with this.

But a person doing a certain experiment

has an idea of how that experiment should go.

And the power of their-- theco-creative ability and power

of their consciousness causesan outcome of that experiment.

>>DAVID: Right.

Absolutely.

>>GOODE: Well, if you changed itup a little bit-- time, matter,

space are all related.

And our consciousness can makechanges to matter, to time,

and to space.

Just as we were talking abouthow some people, or beings,

have been able to change their teleport,

change their location, with consciousness--

changing the vibration of their body

to match another vibrationof another location--

you can also affect time.

And as we're learning more andmore about how this universe

and reality is ahologram, we're learning--

when you really learn it and believe it--

just like in "The Matrix,""there is no spoon"--

then that takes away a lot of restrictions from

your consciousness.

And there's a lot more you can do with bending

time and space and reality.

>>DAVID: Why do you thinkthese guys in the Philadelphia

experiment allegedly got embedded

into the hull of the ship?

What was going on there?

>>GOODE: Well, the vibrations, the matter

of the metal of the ship wasin a transitional phase, as was

the bodies of the sailors.

And they probably were freakingout during this out of phase,

this process when things were out of phase,

and they moved around.

And then when they were brought back into phase,

they found theirselves now trapped in the metal

as it phased back into what we would

perceive as solid material.

>>DAVID: Have you experiencedthis phase-out consciousness

and matter condition yourself?

Did you ever get exposed tothat type of a weird boundary

condition?

>>GOODE: When you're broughtthrough a solid wall,

you know that something like that has happened.

So, yes.

And I've seen technology used--bracelets that were taken away

from extraterrestrials.

And the intercept interrogation program

that they would-- the extraterrestrials

had-- that they would turn on.

And they would shake and then phase out

as if they were completely invisible

and couldn't be touched.

Well, with this technology,it wasn't meant for humans

to wear.

Humans tested it, and they put it on.

And it shook them violently,and they broke their necks.

>>DAVID: Oh my gosh.

Really?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

Later on they had developed technology

to where these human beingswere able to walk through walls.

But before they fully developed it,

people were exchanging their human residue

and the residue of the walls-- there

was interchanging going on.

To where some of the material from the wall

was ending up a part of their body.

And part of-- in the walls,the human-- you've heard this?

>>DAVID: Oh, absolutely.

OK.

You're describing somethingI heard from Pete Peterson.

In his division of Area 51 when he worked there,

they developed a little thingthat was the size of a quarter.

You hold it in your handand you push the button--

you pop out of phase.

They were trying to figureout how to get through walls.

So they'd have these guyshold onto this little thing,

take a running jump, jump intothe air, jump through the wall,

hit the button when you hit the air.

They would go through the wall.

Then they'd release the button, and they'd

pop back in on the other side.

The problem that he said was happening--

he didn't say that it was thematerial of the wall which

I certainly believe could happen--

he said people would get sick.

And their eventual conclusion was

that all the bacteria and the viruses

and the natural junk that's in the atmosphere

would blend in with our bodies.

And normally our lungs filter that stuff out.

People would get sick, they'ddegenerate very quickly.

And so within Peterson'sdivision, that little thing--

they said, we can't use this.

>>GOODE: That wasback-engineered from what

I'm talking about.

>>DAVID: Oh, really?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: That's fascinating.

>>GOODE: They eventually perfected it.

They can use this type of technology

to walk through walls and stuffnow and not have ill effects.

>>DAVID: You remember the guy I told you

about who's autopsiedsome 2,000 different types

of extraterrestrial bodies.

At one point, he was attacked by people

who appear to have walked intohis house through his wall.

And I had no data to back thatup until you just said that.

>>GOODE: OK.

>>DAVID: So I wasn't sure if hewas actually telling the truth,

but now there's reason to believe

that that part of his story is correct.

>>GOODE: No, they absolutelyhave that ability.

You can lock your doors, and lock your windows,

and sit there with a loaded pistol.

And they can come in and out of phase.

That's technology that is available to very

high-level black ops groups.

And for that level of technologyto be used against you,

you have to have-- most likelyhave done something very stupid

or wrong against the program you're in.

>>DAVID: Let me ask you thesame question I asked Peterson.

If you hit this button, and you're out of phase

with our reality, why don't youjust fall through the floor?

How would they get through a wall?

Do they have to jump throughthe wall and hit the button?

Or is there some way that theyhave enough phase in their feet

that they can stillinterface with the ground

enough or something?

>>GOODE: That's a good question that I

don't know the answer to.

>>DAVID: OK.

Interesting.

>>GOODE: But then again, if you're out of phase,

why would gravity pull youdown through the floor?

>>DAVID: That's a good point.

>>GOODE: I don't know.

But these guys know.

They go out of phase, andthey walk on the floor.

They walk through spacecraft.

And they can walk through the walls

as if the walls weren't there.

>>DAVID: One of thereally interesting things

that we have spoken aboutbefore is this parallel earth.

Now instead of me just blabbing away on it

because we want to get youtalking as much as we can,

what is the parallel earth?

>>GOODE: This is somethingthat I mentioned to you.

And as I said, I read a little bit about it.

This is something that isvery sensitive information

that I wasn't given-- Iwasn't privy to a whole lot

of information about.

But it piqued your interest.

I'm not sure, is it because youhad heard something about it

before or what?

But--

>>DAVID: I remember how wegot into the discussion.

And the original way that wegot into the discussion was

I asked you if you timetravel back into the past,

and you see yourself-- if youget too close to yourself,

will you explode?

And you said no, which surprised me.

Because other insiders I'dspoken to-- at least one--

thought that you would actually get

some kind of electrical fire,some kind of interference

feedback with yourself, and you'd blow up.

Or just poof!

But you're saying that doesn't happen?

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: So it is possible forpeople to portal back in time,

and you can get right up toyourself, and nothing happens?

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: But then you said something

was different with this parallel earth thing?

>>GOODE: Yes.

And the type of portal.

>>DAVID: Oh.

>>GOODE: There was a highlytalked about and rumored type

of portal room that they called the Xerox

room, that brought you to a parallel reality,

a parallel earth.

And it was not something thatpeople wanted to go through.

I certainly would not.

In this one, when you're portalled through it,

it makes a copy of you, sends a copy of you

to this other reality, anddestroys the local copy.

>>DAVID: Oh my god.

>>GOODE: And then there'sthis other copy of you

in this other reality, this other earth.

>>DAVID: Well, I've always saidI want more than one of myself

so I can get more work done.

Could you Xerox yourselfand not destroy the copy?

>>GOODE: That's built into the function.

>>DAVID: Huh.

Is it like a time paradox or something

if you have two copies of yourself?

>>GOODE: I don't know.

>>DAVID: OK.

>>GOODE: And that might be someof what-- a lot of what people

are talking about clones being done.

They may be using some sort of this technology

to be making carbon copies of theirself.

Anyway, these people go toa parallel reality universe,

to where apparently things haveplayed out very differently.

And there were and weren't certain wars.

Wars turned out differently.

Different people were leaders.

>>DAVID: You're saying it's Earth--

>>GOODE: It's Earth.

>>DAVID: --but there's somethingdifferent about the history

of Earth?

>>GOODE: Yes.

And there are us's there.

And sometimes there are,and sometimes there are not,

depending on what had happened.

But if you ran into yourselfthere and touched yourself,

there was an annihilation effect.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

That was so incredibly bad that it

was said that-- they theorize that it

could rip the fabric betweenthe two realities or something.

I can't remember all the detailsfrom the space-- from the glass

pad.

But I don't have a wholelot of details about that.

I wasn't a part of that project.

There were some people that were.

For some reason, it wasconsidered a very important

project.

There were some very high-levelpeople involved in it.

But the Xerox room was-- thatportal device was something

that people dreaded.

And was not something I would ever have agreed

or volunteered to go through.

>>DAVID: Where was the Xerox room located?

>>GOODE: Well, there's not just one.

But the one that I was aware ofwas in an underground facility

somewhere here on Earth.

But they have, supposedlyhave, also one of these devices

down at the LOC on one of the lower levels.

But I have never gone below, I think,

the third or fourth level at the LOC.

I've never been given the grand tour that,

at recent meetings, somepeople that have not ever

been in the space program--secret space program-- that

have been there for conferences,have been given the grand tour.

And I haven't been allowedbelow the third or fourth floor.

>>DAVID: Were some people ableto go to this other reality

and come back successfully?

>>GOODE: Mm-hmm.

>>DAVID: Do you getcopied again to come back?

>>GOODE: Mm-hmm.

The process repeats itself.

>>DAVID: So now you'vedestroyed yourself twice?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

Was there any lack ofcontinuity in people's memories?

Or any anomalies with their minds,

as a result of being destroyedand reconstructed from a copy?

>>GOODE: Not that was reported,other than the unpleasantness

of the process.

>>DAVID: What was unpleasant about it?

Just the thought?

Or was there a sickening feeling?

>>GOODE: It was a painful,unpleasant process.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: You feel your death?

>>GOODE: I'm just saying what was reported.

It was a very unpleasant,painful process.

>>DAVID: Oh, wow.

>>GOODE: And there are peoplefrom that parallel universe

reality world traveling here as well.

>>DAVID: Right.

Could you delineate what are the main differences

in the history of this parallelearth compared to ours?

Anything that you specifically remember

that was different about it?

>>GOODE: It's hard to remember it all.

I remember World War II turned out differently.

>>DAVID: As in, that theGermans won instead of America?

>>GOODE: Right.

The Axis powers won.

At one time I remembered a lot of the details

that I read that were in that--it was a short summary that I

was given access to.

I wasn't given a lot of information.

And I--

>>DAVID: Well, the insiderthat you introduced me

to-- who in the beginning youhad so many things in common

with and so many things thathe knew that nobody else knew,

whoever you'd met online-- hesaid that that earth didn't

have Roswell.

And had far less interactionwith extraterrestrials

that we have in ours.

Did you ever encounter that information?

>>GOODE: I encountered that information,

but I can't remember fromwhich source I got it.

>>DAVID: But he did say thesame thing that you're saying,

which is that, in his opinion, it

was a very important project.

And that we were both helpingeach other in some way.

>>GOODE: Yes.

>>DAVID: He said that theyhad much less of the kind

of advanced technology--

>>GOODE: Yes.

>>DAVID: --that we did.

And so we were trying to get them some of that.

Do you think that in orderto get people to do this,

they have to bring in a newbie?

Somebody who hasn't heard thescuttlebutt about how horrible

it is and how dangerous it is?

>>GOODE: No.

These people consider thisa very important mission,

and they're very dedicated to it.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: And one of the keythings-- which I think you did

say to me before, not in this taping-- was

that this parallel earth isnot doing too well, as far

as war and stuff.

It's in a much worse shape in that sense.

>>GOODE: Yeah.

It's supposedly a reallydreary, hopeless place to be.

>>DAVID: So almost like anew world order that worked?

Like a worldwide fascism kind of thing?

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: There are some people in Jenny Randles'

book, "Time Storms," shehas a whole bunch of stories

about natural time slips, she calls them.

There's a kid that goes missing.

Three days later, he pops up in the garden.

And they've searched thatarea hundreds of times,

and there he is.

A bubble of light shows up.

And modern people would probably say, hey,

that's a UFO sighting.

And then they get a missing time experience.

Oh, well, I lost four hours.

So some of those might be UFOs.

But some of these could be a natural portal.

Would you agree?

>>GOODE: Exactly.

>>DAVID: Jenny Randles also describes

some people goingthrough these time slips,

and that there's a pieceof furniture in their house

that's now different.

Or the walls are painted a different color.

Or a window has curtainsthat didn't have curtains.

Or that there's a stonepath from their front door

to the street that wasn't there before.

And everybody laughs away at this.

So is it possible that ifwe muck around by accident

in a time slip, that theactual reality that we're in

could just reconstruct arounda slightly different theme

like that?

>>GOODE: The people that were involved

in these type of time experiments-- they

were on the lookout for these types of things.

They were to report them immediately

if they noticed things like that.

Like, they would go to hang their toothbrush up

in their little toothbrush hanger.

And all of a sudden, it's onthe other side of the wall,

on the other side of the mirror.

Weird things like that started happening

to the people that were involved in some

of these temporal experiments.

That's pretty interesting.

I hadn't heard of that book.

But little things like that-- it's

interesting you bring that up.

But those were some things that these people

were told to keep an eye outfor and report immediately

if they encountered.

>>DAVID: Do you think thatthese bubbles that people--

and I understand you haven't read the book--

but these bubbles are on the move.

And there's cases of aguy smoking a cigarette--

and when people say thata UFO shows up, they say,

there's no sound.

I don't hear birds.

I don't hear the wind.

I don't hear anything.

Could it be that that lackof sound in these UFO contact

experiences is because time has changed,

and as the bird is making its cry,

it's so slow now that youcan't hear it anymore?

>>GOODE: No, that isabsolutely what's happening.

That is absolutely what is happening.

That's when UFOs that have landed

in people's front yards-- there have

been people that have reported people

out standing in their front yards, motionless.

Cars driving down thestreets that just stopped,

that are just-- and thingslike birds in midair, stopped.

It is absolutely-- they have found a way.

They're manipulating space and time.

So absolutely, yes.

>>DAVID: Well, I want to thank you

for getting into thisfascinating discussion with me.

We are by no means done with talking about time.

We have a whole year worth ofhalf hour episodes to fill up.

And there is so much more that I want

to talk to you about with this.

Because this is a very big subject.

And all kinds of interesting stuff

coming up in our next episode.

And I thank you for watching.

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