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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,418 --> 00:00:03,748 On this episode of Death Row Stories... 2 00:00:05,297 --> 00:00:08,127 The murder of a wealthy young man in the Big Easy, 3 00:00:08,175 --> 00:00:10,385 seals the fate of a petty drug dealer. 4 00:00:10,427 --> 00:00:12,614 That's the guy who did it and there's no question 5 00:00:12,638 --> 00:00:14,847 in my mind. 6 00:00:14,890 --> 00:00:17,020 And gives two out of town lawyers 7 00:00:17,058 --> 00:00:19,098 a crash course in New Orleans justice. 8 00:00:19,144 --> 00:00:22,631 - First thing I asked them is, "Do you really understand - what you're up against?" 9 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:25,190 But when evidence of innocence emerges... 10 00:00:25,233 --> 00:00:28,630 - Something was going on that was very unscrupulous - and was deliberate. 11 00:00:28,696 --> 00:00:30,483 The system will stop at nothing 12 00:00:30,507 --> 00:00:32,316 to get the verdict it wants. 13 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:35,196 We had struck out and he was going to die. 14 00:00:38,706 --> 00:00:40,366 There's a body on the water. 15 00:00:40,415 --> 00:00:42,745 He was butchered and murdered. 16 00:00:42,793 --> 00:00:45,383 Many people proclaim their innocence. 17 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:48,300 In this case, there are a number of things that stink. 18 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:51,447 - This man is remorseless. - He needs to pay for it - with his life. 19 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:53,890 The electric chair flashed in front of my eyes. 20 00:00:53,929 --> 00:00:55,639 Get a conviction at all costs, 21 00:00:55,681 --> 00:00:57,221 let the truth fall where it may. 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:05,074 23 00:01:06,025 --> 00:01:09,235 World famous Bourbon Street. 24 00:01:09,277 --> 00:01:12,027 You can buy a song and dance for a dime. 25 00:01:13,949 --> 00:01:16,119 On December 5th, 1984, 26 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:19,409 Ray Liuzza, a fun loving 34-year-old bachelor 27 00:01:19,454 --> 00:01:21,584 from a prominent New Orleans family, 28 00:01:21,623 --> 00:01:24,333 was out on the town celebrating his promotion 29 00:01:24,376 --> 00:01:27,586 to vice-president of one of the city's biggest hotels. 30 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:30,629 Ray was the epitome of people who are true New Orleanians. 31 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:32,551 The love of the art and the history 32 00:01:32,575 --> 00:01:34,474 and the fine cuisine 33 00:01:34,511 --> 00:01:35,931 as well as the music. 34 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:44,746 Late that night, as Liuzza returned to his 35 00:01:44,770 --> 00:01:47,019 garden district apartment, 36 00:01:47,066 --> 00:01:49,856 he was approached by someone in the dark. 37 00:01:49,902 --> 00:01:52,992 He was then robbed at gunpoint. 38 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:55,370 He complied with the perpetrators, 39 00:01:55,407 --> 00:01:58,537 Um... giving them up everything that he had. 40 00:01:58,577 --> 00:02:00,247 He asked them not to shoot him 41 00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:03,330 and they did five times. 42 00:02:06,501 --> 00:02:09,738 - We got the call that there was a shooting on - Baronne Street. 43 00:02:09,797 --> 00:02:11,967 The thing that distinguished the crime scene 44 00:02:12,007 --> 00:02:15,047 was the amount of violence that, that occurred. 45 00:02:15,094 --> 00:02:18,121 - Remnants of blood, bullet holes in the side - of the house. 46 00:02:18,179 --> 00:02:20,269 The suspect just kept firing his gun, 47 00:02:20,307 --> 00:02:23,267 every bullet in the weapon that he had. 48 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:24,767 And he lay there as the ambulance 49 00:02:24,791 --> 00:02:26,270 approached, 50 00:02:26,313 --> 00:02:28,573 and, and the police officers, 51 00:02:28,607 --> 00:02:31,107 he said "why did they have to shoot me?" 52 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:33,613 He was then transported to Charity Hospital where 53 00:02:33,637 --> 00:02:36,121 he was pronounced dead. 54 00:02:37,658 --> 00:02:40,828 And my father collapsed and had a heart attack. 55 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:43,201 And coded blue and I'll never forget 56 00:02:43,225 --> 00:02:45,579 that night as long as I live. 57 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:47,086 It was all over the news 58 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:48,594 as soon as it happened, 59 00:02:48,627 --> 00:02:50,457 it's a tremendous amount of publicity. 60 00:02:51,922 --> 00:02:54,472 It's been a great shock to us. 61 00:02:54,508 --> 00:02:56,110 Ray Liuzza Sr, a well known member 62 00:02:56,134 --> 00:02:57,758 of the community, 63 00:02:57,803 --> 00:03:00,183 was able to recover from his heart attack 64 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:02,891 and went public to find his son's killer. 65 00:03:02,933 --> 00:03:05,353 Time is a great cure of all 66 00:03:05,393 --> 00:03:08,563 and as time goes on we will be able to adjust, 67 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:12,475 but nothing will replace the loss of our son. 68 00:03:16,697 --> 00:03:18,759 The Liuzza's set up a $15,000 reward 69 00:03:18,783 --> 00:03:20,867 for information 70 00:03:20,909 --> 00:03:22,531 leading to the arrest and conviction, 71 00:03:22,555 --> 00:03:24,199 of their son's killer. 72 00:03:24,245 --> 00:03:26,472 But a month went by and police struggled 73 00:03:26,496 --> 00:03:28,745 to find any solid leads, 74 00:03:28,792 --> 00:03:30,422 until one night, 75 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:32,917 a local fence, named Richard Perkins, 76 00:03:32,941 --> 00:03:35,420 contacted the Liuzza family. 77 00:03:35,465 --> 00:03:38,045 Perkins claimed he had the murder weapon. 78 00:03:38,093 --> 00:03:40,115 He said it had been given to him by a man named 79 00:03:40,139 --> 00:03:42,183 John Thompson. 80 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:44,159 John Thompson was a low-level drug dealer 81 00:03:44,183 --> 00:03:46,142 and fence 82 00:03:46,185 --> 00:03:48,475 grew up in the projects in New Orleans. 83 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,070 Was raised mostly by his grandmother. 84 00:03:51,106 --> 00:03:53,396 His father was a career criminal. 85 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:57,088 - Richard Perkins confronted Mr.Thompson after the fact - and got 86 00:03:57,154 --> 00:03:59,426 Mr. Thompson to confess that he was the one that 87 00:03:59,450 --> 00:04:01,744 killed Mr. Liuzza. 88 00:04:01,783 --> 00:04:04,413 Perkins said Thompson also had an accomplice 89 00:04:04,452 --> 00:04:06,252 named Kevin Freeman. 90 00:04:06,287 --> 00:04:09,417 Police arrested both Freeman and Thompson. 91 00:04:09,457 --> 00:04:12,497 The story that Kevin Freeman told police was that 92 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:15,361 he and John Thompson had been driving home together 93 00:04:15,385 --> 00:04:18,224 and the car had run out of gas. 94 00:04:18,258 --> 00:04:20,968 Ray Liuzza drove past them, parked and began to walk 95 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:23,601 across the street to his apartment. 96 00:04:23,638 --> 00:04:26,728 At that point, John Thompson turned to him and said, 97 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:29,954 - "I'm going to hit that guy," and pulled a gun - out of his pocket. 98 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:32,690 And then, Mr. Freeman got cold feet, if you will. 99 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:34,901 And decided he didn't want to be a part of it. 100 00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,839 And as he was running away, Freeman said 101 00:04:36,863 --> 00:04:38,782 he heard the shots. 102 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:40,487 The police charged Freeman and Thompson 103 00:04:40,511 --> 00:04:42,200 with murder. 104 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:49,640 - The local prosecutor wanted the death penalty - for Thompson, 105 00:04:49,706 --> 00:04:51,746 But knew it would be an uphill battle 106 00:04:51,792 --> 00:04:53,774 because Thompson had never been convicted 107 00:04:53,798 --> 00:04:55,802 of a violent crime. 108 00:04:55,837 --> 00:04:57,917 That was about to change. 109 00:05:03,137 --> 00:05:04,949 On December 28th, 1984, 110 00:05:04,973 --> 00:05:06,807 19 year-old, Jay LaGarde, 111 00:05:06,848 --> 00:05:10,285 - his sister Mimi, who was 16 and their younger brother - who was 12 112 00:05:10,351 --> 00:05:12,333 Went to the Superdome for a college basketball 113 00:05:12,357 --> 00:05:14,361 tournament. 114 00:05:14,397 --> 00:05:17,204 - After the game, as they were getting - in the car, 115 00:05:17,276 --> 00:05:19,668 A African American man jumped into the backseat, pulled out 116 00:05:19,692 --> 00:05:22,106 a .357 magnum 117 00:05:22,156 --> 00:05:25,753 - and said, "I'm taking your car, I want your wallet, I want - your valuables." 118 00:05:25,826 --> 00:05:27,303 Jay was instructed to drive away 119 00:05:27,327 --> 00:05:28,826 from the Superdome. 120 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:32,307 - Rather than do that, he did something that was - either very brave 121 00:05:32,373 --> 00:05:34,060 Or very stupid and deliberately caused 122 00:05:34,084 --> 00:05:35,793 a car accident. 123 00:05:37,420 --> 00:05:40,300 The carjacker then leapt forward with the gun 124 00:05:40,339 --> 00:05:42,946 - and Jay turned around and met him - and they had a fight. 125 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:46,850 Jay is pressed with his back against the driver's side door 126 00:05:46,888 --> 00:05:49,308 and manages to kick the carjacker with his face 127 00:05:49,348 --> 00:05:51,518 and out through the passenger side door. 128 00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:53,309 The carjacker, obviously injured, 129 00:05:53,352 --> 00:05:55,862 drops the gun and gets away. 130 00:05:59,818 --> 00:06:04,698 That crime remained unsolved until pictures of Thompson 131 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,489 appeared in the paper for the murder of Ray Liuzza. 132 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:09,371 When Thompson's photo appeared, all three 133 00:06:09,395 --> 00:06:11,254 of the LaGarde children 134 00:06:11,288 --> 00:06:14,208 identified John Thompson as their attacker. 135 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:20,422 Thompson went on trial for the carjacking first 136 00:06:20,463 --> 00:06:23,740 - because prosecutors knew that a conviction would - make him more likely 137 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,550 To receive the death penalty for the Liuzza murder. 138 00:06:26,594 --> 00:06:29,371 - This was in keeping with the policies - of long term, 139 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:31,327 District attorney for Orleans Parish, 140 00:06:31,351 --> 00:06:33,270 Harry Connick Sr, 141 00:06:33,310 --> 00:06:36,560 father of the famous musician Harry Connick Jr. 142 00:06:36,604 --> 00:06:39,774 During Connick Sr.'s nearly three-decade tenure, 143 00:06:39,816 --> 00:06:42,816 his office handled upwards of 30,000 cases 144 00:06:42,861 --> 00:06:45,861 and often faced accusations of hard-line tactics. 145 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:48,156 Harry Connick was tough on crime. 146 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,517 - In death penalty cases, I don't think Harry - would have offered a deal. 147 00:06:51,578 --> 00:06:53,828 Harry would have said, "No, you can't have it." 148 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:55,579 'Cause he was very aggressive and he wanted 149 00:06:55,603 --> 00:06:57,332 to lock them all up forever. 150 00:06:57,376 --> 00:06:58,768 Connick's lead prosecutor 151 00:06:58,792 --> 00:07:00,206 was Jim Williams. 152 00:07:00,254 --> 00:07:02,236 Jim took great pride in his numerous death penalty 153 00:07:02,260 --> 00:07:04,264 convictions. 154 00:07:04,299 --> 00:07:07,799 He even kept a miniature electric chair on his desk. 155 00:07:07,844 --> 00:07:12,251 - Jim was regarded as one of the most aggressive prosecutors in - the District Attorney's Office. 156 00:07:12,307 --> 00:07:14,977 He described sliding up behind defendants 157 00:07:15,018 --> 00:07:17,390 in the courtroom and buzzing in their ears to mimic 158 00:07:17,414 --> 00:07:19,808 the buzz of electricity. 159 00:07:22,401 --> 00:07:23,983 Thompson's carjacking trial lasted 160 00:07:24,007 --> 00:07:25,611 only two days. 161 00:07:25,653 --> 00:07:28,195 The testimony of the LaGarde children was enough to convict 162 00:07:28,219 --> 00:07:30,783 Thompson of armed robbery. 163 00:07:30,825 --> 00:07:32,865 He was given the maximum sentence. 164 00:07:35,205 --> 00:07:37,222 Your heart just stopped beating 165 00:07:37,246 --> 00:07:39,285 for a minute, you know. 166 00:07:39,334 --> 00:07:42,754 That was my first conviction. But he gave me the maximum, 167 00:07:42,796 --> 00:07:45,216 Forty nine and a half years. 168 00:07:45,257 --> 00:07:48,967 I realized that I was in some serious trouble then for sure, 169 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:52,220 because now, now we gonna go to the murder trial. 170 00:07:54,391 --> 00:07:55,538 At the murder trial, 171 00:07:55,562 --> 00:07:56,731 both Kevin Freeman 172 00:07:56,768 --> 00:07:58,398 and Richard Perkins testified 173 00:07:58,437 --> 00:08:00,539 that Thompson killed Ray Liuzza and since Thompson 174 00:08:00,563 --> 00:08:02,687 had no alibi, 175 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:06,169 - even his defense attorney thought the situation - smelled bad. 176 00:08:06,236 --> 00:08:09,133 - As you know, I can't make chicken salad out of - chicken. 177 00:08:09,197 --> 00:08:11,407 The facts are the facts, the case is the case. 178 00:08:11,450 --> 00:08:14,120 With the publicity, the nature of the crime, 179 00:08:14,161 --> 00:08:17,478 - the black on white, we were one foot in the grave - and the other foot 180 00:08:17,538 --> 00:08:20,748 On a banana peel when we went in that courtroom. 181 00:08:20,792 --> 00:08:22,189 If Thompson took the stand 182 00:08:22,213 --> 00:08:23,632 n his own defense, 183 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:25,502 Jim Williams would be able to bring up 184 00:08:25,526 --> 00:08:27,380 the carjacking conviction. 185 00:08:27,424 --> 00:08:31,281 - I couldn't defend myself because the first question - you would ask me on the stand, 186 00:08:31,345 --> 00:08:34,465 "Have I been convicted for anything?" I'd have to say yes. 187 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:37,184 "For what?" I'd have to say robbery. 188 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:39,305 And so my lawyers advised me 189 00:08:39,353 --> 00:08:41,145 not to take the stand on my own behalf, 190 00:08:41,169 --> 00:08:42,983 although we wanted to. 191 00:08:43,023 --> 00:08:45,315 The jury convicted Thompson of killing 192 00:08:45,339 --> 00:08:47,653 Ray Liuzza within two hours. 193 00:08:49,904 --> 00:08:52,704 During sentencing, the prosecution was able to use 194 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:54,782 Thompson's carjacking conviction to argue 195 00:08:54,806 --> 00:08:56,870 for the death penalty. 196 00:08:56,911 --> 00:08:59,291 The State called the carjacking victim, 197 00:08:59,331 --> 00:09:01,421 in her little catholic school uniform 198 00:09:01,458 --> 00:09:04,208 and she told a chilling story 199 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:06,212 of how the person that carjacked them 200 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:08,384 was holding a gun to the brother's head. 201 00:09:08,423 --> 00:09:11,370 - And she just knew both of them were gonna be - murdered together. 202 00:09:11,426 --> 00:09:13,346 And she was never gonna see her family. 203 00:09:13,387 --> 00:09:15,717 "And that's the guy who did it. 204 00:09:15,763 --> 00:09:19,273 "And there's no question in my mind". 205 00:09:19,309 --> 00:09:21,206 And with that, the jury decided that 206 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:23,149 Mr. Thompson deserved to die. 207 00:09:23,188 --> 00:09:25,040 He killed this man and he almost killed 208 00:09:25,064 --> 00:09:26,938 these three kids. 209 00:09:26,983 --> 00:09:28,900 So they decide to sentence me to death 210 00:09:28,924 --> 00:09:30,863 for a crime I didn't do. 211 00:09:42,416 --> 00:09:44,393 John Thompson was sitting on death row 212 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:46,416 at Angola State Penitentiary 213 00:09:46,461 --> 00:09:48,341 awaiting his execution 214 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:50,760 when he got an unexpected call. 215 00:09:50,798 --> 00:09:53,798 JT, we found you some attorneys. 216 00:09:53,843 --> 00:09:56,580 - They from Philadelphia. It's a law firm - from Philadelphia. 217 00:09:56,637 --> 00:09:58,887 They coming down to see you. 218 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:01,349 The call was from a non-profit group that devoted 219 00:10:01,373 --> 00:10:03,812 to appealing death sentences. 220 00:10:03,853 --> 00:10:05,403 I'm on death row. 221 00:10:05,439 --> 00:10:07,269 I got a date of execution. 222 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:10,542 - Then you sending me some lawyers saying that - they representing me. 223 00:10:11,528 --> 00:10:13,738 I'm like, "Come on, get real." 224 00:10:20,454 --> 00:10:22,496 Gordon and I normally represent big companies 225 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,584 in employment litigation, 226 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,924 trade secret litigation, 227 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,917 but this was my first case representing 228 00:10:28,941 --> 00:10:30,920 a criminal defendant. 229 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:32,966 Michael Banks and Gordon Cooney were 230 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:35,014 high-powered corporate lawyers 231 00:10:35,051 --> 00:10:37,551 with an interest in pro bono cases. 232 00:10:37,596 --> 00:10:40,346 The case itself did not suggest innocence. 233 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:42,767 There was nothing we read that caused us to say, 234 00:10:42,791 --> 00:10:45,190 "Wow, this guy didn't do it." 235 00:10:45,228 --> 00:10:47,558 I was skeptical of his innocence, 236 00:10:47,606 --> 00:10:50,436 but I remember feeling a very strong sense, 237 00:10:50,484 --> 00:10:52,444 from reading John's file, 238 00:10:52,486 --> 00:10:55,068 that things that happened in John's trial were just 239 00:10:55,092 --> 00:10:57,696 fundamentally unfair. 240 00:10:57,740 --> 00:11:00,660 Banks and Cooney went to meet their new client. 241 00:11:00,701 --> 00:11:02,501 The first time I met John Thompson 242 00:11:02,537 --> 00:11:06,497 was at the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola 243 00:11:06,541 --> 00:11:09,841 and frankly, we had a bit of a hard time communicating. 244 00:11:09,877 --> 00:11:11,229 They didn't know nothing 245 00:11:11,253 --> 00:11:12,627 about New Orleans. 246 00:11:12,671 --> 00:11:15,221 We have a criminal justice system here that locked up 247 00:11:15,258 --> 00:11:17,945 - more people than our state penitentiary - could hold. 248 00:11:18,011 --> 00:11:20,351 And so the first thing I asked them is, 249 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:23,478 "Do you really understand what you're up against?" 250 00:11:23,517 --> 00:11:27,057 Neither Michael or I had any idea in 1988 251 00:11:27,103 --> 00:11:30,250 - that we'd spend the next quarter century working - with John Thompson. 252 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:38,989 Michael and Gordon began preparing an appeal. 253 00:11:39,032 --> 00:11:42,242 Their key argument was that the prosecutions star witness, 254 00:11:42,285 --> 00:11:45,115 Richard Perkins, had a hidden motive in the case. 255 00:11:45,163 --> 00:11:47,205 Mr. Perkins had been promised reward money 256 00:11:47,229 --> 00:11:49,293 by the prosecutors. 257 00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:51,021 And that information never made its way 258 00:11:51,045 --> 00:11:52,754 in front of the jury. 259 00:11:52,795 --> 00:11:55,147 Michael and Gordon hired Elisa Abolafia, who knew 260 00:11:55,171 --> 00:11:57,545 New Orleans inside and out, 261 00:11:57,592 --> 00:12:00,352 as a defense investigator on the case. 262 00:12:00,387 --> 00:12:01,884 And if something smells fishy, 263 00:12:01,908 --> 00:12:03,427 there's a reason. 264 00:12:03,473 --> 00:12:07,943 Humans lie and they do things for their own advancement 265 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:10,357 in their careers or for some cash. 266 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:12,567 People are very unscrupulous. 267 00:12:12,607 --> 00:12:14,499 Seeking a reward that today would be worth 268 00:12:14,523 --> 00:12:16,437 more than $30,000. 269 00:12:16,486 --> 00:12:18,566 Richard Perkins requested a meeting 270 00:12:18,613 --> 00:12:21,493 with the representative of the Liuzza family. 271 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:24,083 The conversation was recorded by police. 272 00:13:00,655 --> 00:13:02,865 People were paid to testify. 273 00:13:02,907 --> 00:13:05,094 You give a tip and if it leads to a conviction, you get 274 00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:07,327 a chunk of money 275 00:13:07,370 --> 00:13:09,330 and it's very enticing. 276 00:13:09,372 --> 00:13:13,809 - Perkins received over $10,000 in reward money immediately - after the trial 277 00:13:13,876 --> 00:13:16,438 And told by the police not to mention the payment 278 00:13:16,462 --> 00:13:19,046 of the reward to anybody. 279 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:20,757 Surely if Perkins is saying 280 00:13:20,781 --> 00:13:22,470 that he received the $10,000 281 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:24,637 to do this, the jury would have thought 282 00:13:24,661 --> 00:13:26,810 different about that. 283 00:13:26,847 --> 00:13:30,597 They wouldn't even have counted his testimony. 284 00:13:30,644 --> 00:13:32,646 Gordon and Michael filed their appeal 285 00:13:32,670 --> 00:13:34,694 in June of 1989. 286 00:13:34,731 --> 00:13:37,148 After five years of waiting, the court finally agreed 287 00:13:37,172 --> 00:13:39,611 to hear their case. 288 00:13:39,653 --> 00:13:41,570 We were able to prove beyond any doubt 289 00:13:41,594 --> 00:13:43,533 that in fact a reward 290 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:45,845 was promised and paid and that the prosecutors 291 00:13:45,869 --> 00:13:48,163 failed to disclose it. 292 00:13:48,202 --> 00:13:50,514 And yet despite that the judge said there was 293 00:13:50,538 --> 00:13:52,872 enough other evidence 294 00:13:52,915 --> 00:13:55,247 of John's guilt that the reward issue would not 295 00:13:55,271 --> 00:13:57,625 have made a difference. 296 00:14:00,674 --> 00:14:02,801 Michael and Gordon appealed the decision 297 00:14:02,825 --> 00:14:04,974 to the US District court, 298 00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:07,118 the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals and finally 299 00:14:07,142 --> 00:14:09,271 the US Supreme Court. 300 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:11,847 They all denied the appeal. 301 00:14:11,892 --> 00:14:14,269 Matters became desperate. Now we had no more 302 00:14:14,293 --> 00:14:16,692 appeals or challenges. 303 00:14:16,731 --> 00:14:21,241 On April 19th of 1999 the final death warrant was issued. 304 00:14:23,112 --> 00:14:25,299 We had struck out. We had failed, 305 00:14:25,323 --> 00:14:27,532 and he was going to die. 306 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:29,655 The state set an execution date. 307 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:38,335 We drove over to Angola. 308 00:14:38,378 --> 00:14:41,355 - John came into the room. We didn't tell him - we'd be coming, 309 00:14:41,422 --> 00:14:44,182 But he knew why we were there. 310 00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:46,507 And he looked at us and he said, 311 00:14:46,553 --> 00:14:48,353 "What's the date?" 312 00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:51,848 We looked at him and said, "John, it's uh... May 20th." 313 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:54,441 which was basically a month off. 314 00:14:54,477 --> 00:14:56,369 I've been around death row at that time 315 00:14:56,393 --> 00:14:58,307 long enough to understand 316 00:14:58,356 --> 00:15:01,123 - what was going on. I was like, "Wow, - I'm... this is my turn. 317 00:15:01,192 --> 00:15:03,859 "This is my time." And so, I was trying to be strong. 318 00:15:03,883 --> 00:15:06,572 I was trying to, like, 319 00:15:06,614 --> 00:15:08,624 understand what's getting ready to happen. 320 00:15:08,658 --> 00:15:11,448 I'm getting' ready to die for a crime I did not commit. 321 00:15:11,494 --> 00:15:13,391 Boy, anxiety kicked in. I didn't know how 322 00:15:13,415 --> 00:15:15,334 to accept the reality 323 00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:17,423 that they're getting ready to kill me. 324 00:15:20,503 --> 00:15:22,923 And then John did a really remarkable thing. 325 00:15:22,963 --> 00:15:25,280 He said, "My youngest son, John Jr is the first person 326 00:15:25,304 --> 00:15:27,643 in my family 327 00:15:27,677 --> 00:15:30,757 "who's going to graduate from high school, on May 21st. 328 00:15:30,805 --> 00:15:33,532 "Will you please go to his graduation and make sure 329 00:15:33,556 --> 00:15:36,305 he's okay after I'm gone?" 330 00:15:36,352 --> 00:15:38,289 And then he spent the next 20 minutes trying 331 00:15:38,313 --> 00:15:40,272 to make us feel better. 332 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:42,694 It was not, "How could you let this happen to me?" 333 00:15:42,734 --> 00:15:45,154 It's not, "What are you gonna do to save my life?" 334 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:47,136 It was about making us feel better about what 335 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,124 we had done for him 336 00:15:49,156 --> 00:15:51,656 and making sure his son was gonna be okay. 337 00:15:51,701 --> 00:15:53,581 That's the kind of guy John Thompson is. 338 00:15:58,792 --> 00:16:01,124 We were mostly silent on the way from Angola 339 00:16:01,148 --> 00:16:03,502 to New Orleans. 340 00:16:03,546 --> 00:16:06,086 There was very little to be said. 341 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:08,762 On the way, Gordon checked his voicemail. 342 00:16:08,802 --> 00:16:12,052 Gordon had a message from Elisa Abolafia 343 00:16:12,096 --> 00:16:16,386 So they're driving very solemnly like, It's over. 344 00:16:16,434 --> 00:16:18,311 As they're exiting Angola and they had no 345 00:16:18,335 --> 00:16:20,234 cellphone coverage 346 00:16:20,271 --> 00:16:22,191 for miles and miles and miles. 347 00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:25,008 - And I of course, calling their office - in Philadelphia. 348 00:16:25,067 --> 00:16:27,147 Just berserk. I'm going nuts. 349 00:16:27,194 --> 00:16:28,801 There on my voicemail 350 00:16:28,825 --> 00:16:30,454 was a message from Elisa, 351 00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:32,620 saying, "I found something very important. 352 00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:34,971 "I think this is really big. You have to call me 353 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:37,329 right away." 354 00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:38,411 End of message. 355 00:16:46,631 --> 00:16:48,673 This city is like, the perfect storm 356 00:16:48,697 --> 00:16:50,761 for lots of crime. 357 00:16:50,802 --> 00:16:53,552 There's a lot of poverty. There's a lot of corruption. 358 00:16:53,596 --> 00:16:55,516 There's a lot of drunk tourists. 359 00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:59,203 - There was so much crime in the paper and in the news - on a regular basis, 360 00:16:59,268 --> 00:17:01,475 I actually never paid attention to the murder of 361 00:17:01,499 --> 00:17:03,728 Ray Liuzza Jr., 362 00:17:03,773 --> 00:17:05,480 until Michael Banks and Gordon Cooney 363 00:17:05,504 --> 00:17:07,233 contacted me. 364 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:09,253 With John Thompson scheduled to be executed 365 00:17:09,277 --> 00:17:11,276 in less than a month, 366 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,554 defense investigator Elisa Abolafia desperately 367 00:17:13,578 --> 00:17:15,832 searched for answers. 368 00:17:15,869 --> 00:17:17,949 I, of course, was a complete nervous wreck, 369 00:17:17,996 --> 00:17:21,456 because John was facing an execution date, May 20th. 370 00:17:21,499 --> 00:17:24,459 So I began with the carjacking case. 371 00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:27,052 First, I read the police report. 372 00:17:27,087 --> 00:17:29,717 In 1985, John Thompson was convicted of 373 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:32,297 carjacking three teenagers at gunpoint. 374 00:17:32,343 --> 00:17:35,343 - Without that conviction Thompson would have - been much less likely to get 375 00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:38,388 The death sentence for the murder. 376 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:40,942 Elisa found reports from the first officer 377 00:17:40,977 --> 00:17:43,897 to respond to the carjacking scene, Warren Pope. 378 00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:45,730 When we got there two cars were involved 379 00:17:45,754 --> 00:17:47,568 in a traffic accident 380 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:50,110 and I noticed some spots of like fresh, wet blood on one of 381 00:17:50,134 --> 00:17:52,658 the victim's shoes. 382 00:17:52,697 --> 00:17:56,054 - There was also some blood on one of his pants legs. - He was uninjured 383 00:17:56,116 --> 00:17:58,076 And so was his brother and sister. 384 00:17:58,118 --> 00:18:01,618 So we assumed that it was the perpetrators blood. 385 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:04,544 Police files confirmed the carjackers blood 386 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,174 had been recovered from the victim's pants. 387 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:09,233 But Elisa wondered why that evidence had never been 388 00:18:09,257 --> 00:18:11,301 introduced at trial. 389 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:13,340 So I went to the evidence room 390 00:18:13,384 --> 00:18:16,724 and I see that the pants were checked out 391 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,433 by one of the DA's and not returned. 392 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:21,393 I'm like, "Hello?" 393 00:18:21,434 --> 00:18:23,206 If they were so sure that John Thompson 394 00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:25,024 was the carjacker 395 00:18:25,063 --> 00:18:27,863 you would have tested his blood and gone, "Ta-da," 396 00:18:27,899 --> 00:18:31,626 - waved your crime lab report around the courtroom. - That would have been your nail. 397 00:18:31,694 --> 00:18:35,261 - So I knew that something was going on that was - very unscrupulous 398 00:18:35,322 --> 00:18:37,532 And was deliberate, deliberate. 399 00:18:37,575 --> 00:18:39,342 The defense was never told that the blood 400 00:18:39,366 --> 00:18:41,155 had been tested. 401 00:18:41,203 --> 00:18:43,915 So that revealed quite a bit about the prosecutors who had 402 00:18:43,939 --> 00:18:46,673 been handling Thompson's case. 403 00:18:46,709 --> 00:18:49,249 So my next move is to go to the crime lab 404 00:18:49,295 --> 00:18:50,955 and you know, act kind of blase. 405 00:18:51,005 --> 00:18:53,812 - You can't tip off people that work for the - police department 406 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,093 That you're onto something naughty. 407 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:58,047 I just go in and go, "I need to see uh... 408 00:18:58,071 --> 00:19:00,005 this old report, please." 409 00:19:00,056 --> 00:19:03,428 I then get the crime lab report, which tells me that 410 00:19:03,452 --> 00:19:06,846 the blood type is blood B. 411 00:19:06,896 --> 00:19:09,393 We were incredibly excited because we now knew the 412 00:19:09,417 --> 00:19:11,936 perpetrator had type B blood. 413 00:19:11,985 --> 00:19:14,695 But we didn't know what John's blood type was. 414 00:19:14,737 --> 00:19:17,447 So what we did first was we called John. 415 00:19:18,699 --> 00:19:20,989 My blood type? I say, "I don't know." 416 00:19:21,035 --> 00:19:24,155 They say, "You don't know your own blood type?" No. 417 00:19:24,204 --> 00:19:26,081 They say um, "You think your mama know?" I say 418 00:19:26,105 --> 00:19:28,004 "I dunno, call her and ask!" 419 00:19:28,042 --> 00:19:30,979 - I spoke to his mother, please tell me you know - his blood type. 420 00:19:31,045 --> 00:19:32,415 "No I don't." 421 00:19:32,463 --> 00:19:34,423 So I'm racking my brain. 422 00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:37,522 - I ask John,"Did you ever have surgery at any time - of your life? 423 00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:40,370 - "'Cause if you did they had to draw your blood - and test it. 424 00:19:40,429 --> 00:19:44,826 - "'Yes, when I was a teenager, I was at Charity Hospital.'" - I'm like, thank goodness. 425 00:19:44,892 --> 00:19:46,852 Again, scramble, scramble, scramble. 426 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:50,091 - Go to my connection there who was the director - of the records room. 427 00:19:50,148 --> 00:19:53,125 - I said, "Three weeks from now, this man is going - to be executed. 428 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:54,942 "It is a matter of life and death. 429 00:19:54,986 --> 00:19:58,356 "Please dig it up for me." And she did. 430 00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:00,572 The hospital records showed that 431 00:20:00,596 --> 00:20:02,785 Thompson had blood type O. 432 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:06,157 It was a smoking gun. It demonstrated that Thompson 433 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:09,535 was innocent of the carjacking beyond question. 434 00:20:09,583 --> 00:20:11,855 And there's no question that the prosecution 435 00:20:11,879 --> 00:20:14,173 had a clear obligation 436 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:15,840 to turn over evidence that's favorable 437 00:20:15,864 --> 00:20:17,513 to the defense. 438 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,552 The carjacking victims had clearly 439 00:20:19,576 --> 00:20:21,600 misidentified Thompson. 440 00:20:21,637 --> 00:20:23,757 Eye witness testimony is so unreliable 441 00:20:23,806 --> 00:20:26,386 and the more traumatic the event is that they witness, 442 00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:28,773 the more likely it is that they're gonna be wrong 443 00:20:28,811 --> 00:20:31,271 in their recollections and their identifications. 444 00:20:33,983 --> 00:20:37,443 With clear evidence of prosecutorial misconduct, 445 00:20:37,486 --> 00:20:40,356 Michael and Gordon now felt they had no choice 446 00:20:40,406 --> 00:20:42,278 but to go after the legendary district attorney 447 00:20:42,302 --> 00:20:44,196 of Orleans parish, 448 00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:45,913 Harry Connick Sr. 449 00:20:45,953 --> 00:20:47,705 Harry Connick Senior was certainly 450 00:20:47,729 --> 00:20:49,503 an iconic figure. 451 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:52,247 He was a big fan of jazz music and actually had a regular 452 00:20:52,271 --> 00:20:55,000 singing gig in New Orleans. 453 00:20:55,046 --> 00:20:58,313 - But he also was thought of as being fairly aggressive - as well. 454 00:20:58,382 --> 00:21:01,949 - It was a stated policy in his office to provide - the defense 455 00:21:02,011 --> 00:21:05,538 - the minimum amount of information required by law, - and nothing more. 456 00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:08,638 We talked about the right way to handle this. 457 00:21:08,684 --> 00:21:11,274 And rather than hold a big press conference, 458 00:21:11,311 --> 00:21:14,708 - and point the finger at the district attorney's office, - we thought that 459 00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:18,494 The right first step was to go to Mr. Connick himself. 460 00:21:18,527 --> 00:21:21,157 Connick's reaction initially was that 461 00:21:21,197 --> 00:21:23,367 he wanted sometime to think about it. 462 00:21:23,407 --> 00:21:25,049 We told him that he had a matter of two, 463 00:21:25,073 --> 00:21:26,737 maybe three hours. 464 00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:29,286 We've got an execution date in less than two weeks. 465 00:21:29,329 --> 00:21:33,039 And we said, "If you can't agree even with these facts, 466 00:21:33,084 --> 00:21:35,106 "we'll, you know, take the next step that 467 00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:37,174 we think is appropriate." 468 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:39,923 Mr. Connick realized he had no alternative. 469 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:42,046 The evidence was all too clear. 470 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:45,723 It was physically and scientifically impossible 471 00:21:45,763 --> 00:21:48,313 for Thompson to have been the carjacker. 472 00:21:48,348 --> 00:21:50,075 Michael, Gordon, and Connick met with 473 00:21:50,099 --> 00:21:51,848 Judge Patrick Quinlan, 474 00:21:51,894 --> 00:21:54,984 who had presided over both of Thompson's trials. 475 00:21:55,022 --> 00:21:57,282 Upon learning of the hidden blood evidence, 476 00:21:57,316 --> 00:21:59,646 Judge Quinlan grew furious with Connick. 477 00:21:59,693 --> 00:22:02,930 - And he said he was going to hold a hearing - in open court 478 00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:06,369 To try to determine exactly how this had happened. 479 00:22:06,408 --> 00:22:09,618 He wanted all the citizens of New Orleans to see. 480 00:22:09,662 --> 00:22:11,494 At the hearing, attorneys questioned the key 481 00:22:11,518 --> 00:22:13,372 prosecutors involved 482 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:16,455 with Thompson's case, including Jim Williams, 483 00:22:16,502 --> 00:22:19,632 the man with the little electric chair on his desk. 484 00:22:19,672 --> 00:22:21,569 A colleague testified that Williams was given 485 00:22:21,593 --> 00:22:23,512 the blood results. 486 00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:25,260 But Williams denied it. 487 00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:28,660 - Williams's story is that he never received it, - that he never saw it. 488 00:22:28,722 --> 00:22:32,579 - And so at the end of the day, the choice is between - dishonesty and incompetence. 489 00:22:32,643 --> 00:22:34,435 They can either be the prosecutors who knew 490 00:22:34,459 --> 00:22:36,273 that evidence 491 00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:39,511 - was being withheld in their case, or they can be - the prosecutors 492 00:22:39,566 --> 00:22:41,233 Who weren't in charge of their cases when 493 00:22:41,257 --> 00:22:42,946 a man's life was on the line. 494 00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:48,329 Visibly upset, 495 00:22:48,366 --> 00:22:49,908 Judge Quinlan overturned Thompson's 496 00:22:49,932 --> 00:22:51,496 carjacking conviction, 497 00:22:51,537 --> 00:22:53,139 he also ordered a stay of execution 498 00:22:53,163 --> 00:22:54,787 and ordered Connick 499 00:22:54,832 --> 00:22:56,814 to turn over every file on record to Michael 500 00:22:56,838 --> 00:22:58,842 and Gordon. 501 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:02,128 That was the first time we really got a full look 502 00:23:02,173 --> 00:23:04,695 into the district attorney's files in the murder case 503 00:23:04,719 --> 00:23:07,263 against John Thompson. 504 00:23:07,303 --> 00:23:09,450 And it was a moment that Gordon and I looked 505 00:23:09,474 --> 00:23:11,643 at each other and said, 506 00:23:11,682 --> 00:23:14,119 "He's really innocent. He did not kill Ray Liuzza. 507 00:23:14,143 --> 00:23:16,602 He was not there." 508 00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:18,605 We knew who the murderer was. 509 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:22,067 We knew how it happened for the very first time. 510 00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:32,387 John Thompson had been on death row at Angola 511 00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:34,870 State Prison for 14 years. 512 00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:37,124 By 1999, Michael and Gordon 513 00:23:37,166 --> 00:23:39,286 had proved Thompson had not committed 514 00:23:39,335 --> 00:23:41,495 the carjacking outside the superdome, 515 00:23:41,545 --> 00:23:44,755 but they had yet to prove their client was innocent 516 00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:48,638 of killing 34-year-old Ray Liuzza in cold blood. 517 00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,347 However, material Michael and Gordon 518 00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:54,139 finally received from the New Orleans DA's office 519 00:23:54,183 --> 00:23:56,433 provided ample grounds for appeal. 520 00:23:56,476 --> 00:23:58,143 The daily police reports showed 521 00:23:58,167 --> 00:23:59,856 us that these witnesses, 522 00:23:59,897 --> 00:24:02,854 Freeman and Perkins, had told very, very different stories 523 00:24:02,878 --> 00:24:05,857 in 1985 before the trial as 524 00:24:05,903 --> 00:24:08,863 as compared to what they said on the witness stand. 525 00:24:08,906 --> 00:24:12,736 And we began to see how their stories were contrived 526 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:16,075 to secure a conviction of an innocent man. 527 00:24:16,122 --> 00:24:18,354 There were numerous pieces of evidence 528 00:24:18,378 --> 00:24:20,632 inconsistent with John's guilt, 529 00:24:20,667 --> 00:24:23,439 were consistent with Freeman's guilt 530 00:24:23,463 --> 00:24:26,257 and that showed that Freeman 531 00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:28,276 had lied at trial in his testimony 532 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,299 on behalf of the state. 533 00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,431 After testifying that he saw Thompson 534 00:24:32,455 --> 00:24:34,564 murder Ray Liuzza, 535 00:24:34,598 --> 00:24:37,370 Kevin Freeman was given a plea deal and only served 536 00:24:37,394 --> 00:24:40,188 10 months in prison. 537 00:24:40,229 --> 00:24:43,729 We also received leads from the police reports 538 00:24:43,774 --> 00:24:46,864 about potential witnesses who would be helpful. 539 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:50,389 - There was a woman who lived across the street - from Mr. Liuzza 540 00:24:50,448 --> 00:24:53,198 And she got a very good look at the perpetrator. 541 00:24:53,242 --> 00:24:57,332 Miss Kelly and other witnesses testified, they saw a man, 542 00:24:57,371 --> 00:25:00,018 with a blue steel revolver, six feet tall with close-cut 543 00:25:00,042 --> 00:25:02,711 hair running past them. 544 00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,841 John Thompson was 5'8" with a big, bushy afro. 545 00:25:05,879 --> 00:25:08,566 Kevin Freeman was six feet tall went by the nickname 'Kojak' 546 00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:11,299 because of his close-cut hair. 547 00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:13,846 Once all the evidence was examined, it was clear 548 00:25:13,870 --> 00:25:16,394 beyond imagination 549 00:25:16,432 --> 00:25:21,402 that Kevin Freeman acting alone murdered Ray Liuzza. 550 00:25:21,437 --> 00:25:24,689 Michael and Gordon now believed they had a strong 551 00:25:24,713 --> 00:25:27,987 case for a new trial. 552 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:29,694 We had an evidentiary hearing 553 00:25:29,718 --> 00:25:31,407 in front of Judge Quinlan. 554 00:25:31,447 --> 00:25:34,617 And Quinlan vacated the death sentence. 555 00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:38,828 But he refused to vacate guilt. 556 00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:42,921 Judge Quinlan refused to grant a new trial. We were devastated. 557 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,955 Yes, it was wonderful to have John Thompson spared 558 00:25:44,979 --> 00:25:46,998 from execution, 559 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,716 but we were still looking at a man in his 30s 560 00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:52,529 who was going to be facing the rest 561 00:25:52,553 --> 00:25:54,347 of his life in jail. 562 00:25:56,889 --> 00:26:00,536 - So you gonna take the death penalty back and give me - a life sentence. 563 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,980 I was scared to death, even more so now. 564 00:26:04,021 --> 00:26:06,231 You telling' me I'll never go home again? 565 00:26:06,273 --> 00:26:07,773 That didn't give me no relief. 566 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:10,736 None whatsoever. I was doomed. 567 00:26:16,742 --> 00:26:19,832 Michael and Gordon appealed the Judge's decision. 568 00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:21,747 They knew this would be Thompson's last chance 569 00:26:21,771 --> 00:26:23,670 for a new trial. 570 00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:26,934 - John was going to go free or spend the rest - of his life in prison. 571 00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:29,632 Our arguments were basically two fold. 572 00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:31,713 First, that carjacking conviction had been used 573 00:26:31,737 --> 00:26:33,801 to keep John 574 00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,079 - from being able to testify in his own defense - in the murder case. 575 00:26:37,137 --> 00:26:40,324 - And secondly, we argued that all of the evidence - that we had amassed 576 00:26:40,391 --> 00:26:42,243 Had shown that John Thompson was innocent 577 00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:44,141 of the Liuzza murder. 578 00:26:44,186 --> 00:26:46,728 Michael and Gordon filed their appeal 579 00:26:46,752 --> 00:26:49,316 in February of 2002. 580 00:26:49,358 --> 00:26:51,938 Five months later, they received the decision. 581 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,462 - I'll never forget it. A reporter called - and said, 582 00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:56,780 "What do you think about this decision?" 583 00:26:56,823 --> 00:26:58,825 And I asked her to read it to me and I said, 584 00:26:58,849 --> 00:27:00,873 "Skip to the end. Skip to end." 585 00:27:00,911 --> 00:27:02,411 The last line read 586 00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:05,785 "Conviction and Sentence reversed." 587 00:27:05,832 --> 00:27:07,709 I called Gordon into my office. I couldn't 588 00:27:07,733 --> 00:27:09,632 get the words out. 589 00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:14,009 I remember. It was July 17th at 4:30 in the afternoon. 590 00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:17,316 - I... it was... I was tongue tied. I said, "No... - new... new... new..." 591 00:27:17,386 --> 00:27:19,806 I... I couldn't... he said, "New trial?" 592 00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:23,766 I said, "Yes." We hugged. We were ecstatic. 593 00:27:23,809 --> 00:27:26,996 - But as Michael and Gordon began preparing - for the retrial 594 00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:30,612 They got an unsolicited offer form the DA's office. 595 00:27:30,648 --> 00:27:32,648 Harry Connick Sr. had retired, 596 00:27:32,692 --> 00:27:34,734 and the new DA had run for office on 597 00:27:34,758 --> 00:27:36,822 an anti-corruption campaign. 598 00:27:36,863 --> 00:27:39,533 Now, he wanted to make a deal. 599 00:27:39,575 --> 00:27:41,427 The district attorney's office was not really 600 00:27:41,451 --> 00:27:43,325 eager to go and try 601 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:46,660 this case again based on the evidence as it then existed. 602 00:27:46,706 --> 00:27:50,286 John could plead to some lesser offense 603 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:53,256 and be immediately released from prison. 604 00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:58,087 I'm like, "Hell no. I'm not pleading guilty to nothing. 605 00:27:58,135 --> 00:28:00,545 "After all this stuff we did prove, 606 00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:02,763 "these people still trying to make me plead guilty 607 00:28:02,787 --> 00:28:04,976 to something I didn't do." 608 00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:08,097 A jury got it wrong twice before, 609 00:28:08,145 --> 00:28:10,225 there was some risk that a jury 610 00:28:10,272 --> 00:28:13,379 - would get it wrong again no matter how strong - the evidence was. 611 00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:16,452 Much as we were convinced of John's innocence 612 00:28:16,487 --> 00:28:18,484 we had to think about getting him out of jail 613 00:28:18,508 --> 00:28:20,527 as our first priority. 614 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:22,826 Michael and them was like, "John. We not talking to you 615 00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:25,124 no more as attorneys. 616 00:28:25,162 --> 00:28:27,332 "We getting ready to talk to you as a friend. 617 00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:29,753 "We can't control the mind of 12 people. 618 00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:32,171 "We can only present them the facts. 619 00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:34,668 "If 12 members come back and say you're guilty, 620 00:28:34,692 --> 00:28:37,171 could you handle that? 621 00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,340 "Is it fair on your ma'? 622 00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:42,256 "Is it fair on your children? 623 00:28:42,304 --> 00:28:45,274 "On one hand, you could walk out that door. 624 00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,199 "On the other hand, you might stay here 625 00:28:47,223 --> 00:28:49,137 the rest of your life. 626 00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:52,913 - "So, before you make a quick decision like that, why don't - you think about it?" 627 00:29:03,576 --> 00:29:05,486 In April of 2003, 628 00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:08,473 - John Thompson faced the decision whether - to plead guilty 629 00:29:08,539 --> 00:29:11,999 And walk away from prison, or stand trial and risk 630 00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:14,212 the rest of his life behind bars. 631 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:16,400 I'm like, "Man, I didn't kill nobody. I'm not pleading 632 00:29:16,424 --> 00:29:18,593 guilty to nothing. 633 00:29:18,632 --> 00:29:23,012 So I got on the phone My mom said,"Baby, I want you home. 634 00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:25,470 "I don't care what them people say. I know you ain't 635 00:29:25,494 --> 00:29:27,933 do it. I want you home." 636 00:29:27,974 --> 00:29:29,766 So I called the attorneys and say, "Come on. 637 00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:31,604 Let's do it. 638 00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:33,515 "It's time for me to be with my family." 639 00:29:35,357 --> 00:29:38,027 Gordon and I went down to New Orleans 640 00:29:38,068 --> 00:29:40,090 to be there when John got out of jail to have 641 00:29:40,114 --> 00:29:42,158 our big celebration. 642 00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:43,759 I was figuring out where 643 00:29:43,783 --> 00:29:45,367 John was going to go 644 00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:47,079 after he was released from prison. 645 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,226 - And a criminal defense lawyer walked into the - conference room where 646 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:52,081 I was working, and all the color had drained 647 00:29:52,105 --> 00:29:53,919 out of his face. 648 00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:57,896 - And he said "The district attorney's office has pulled - the deal." 649 00:29:57,963 --> 00:30:00,740 - We had thought John was walking out of jail - the next day. 650 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,469 This was five days before the trial was to start. 651 00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:06,970 And the DA. said, "No deal. We go to trial." 652 00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:10,620 - As it turned out, the victim's family had learned - of the plea deal 653 00:30:10,684 --> 00:30:13,604 And voiced their objections to the district attorney. 654 00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:15,603 Michael and I go to the prison and John again, 655 00:30:15,627 --> 00:30:17,606 put on a very brave face 656 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:20,900 and he said, "You know, I didn't want that plea. 657 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:24,301 - "It was going to hang over my head over my head - for the rest of my life. 658 00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:27,954 "I didn't do this, you guys are going to win this case." 659 00:30:27,993 --> 00:30:30,430 "But we've just lost four days of preparation because we 660 00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:32,913 thought there was no trial." 661 00:30:32,956 --> 00:30:35,746 We need some more time to prepare for the case. 662 00:30:35,793 --> 00:30:38,780 - And he said, "You won't do that. We're gonna - win this case. 663 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:43,337 "I can't spend another day in this place." 664 00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:45,695 As we walked down a very long corridor we turned around 665 00:30:45,719 --> 00:30:48,053 and looked back. 666 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:50,886 And there was John with his head in his hands. 667 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:55,272 He thought he was getting out of jail the next day. 668 00:30:55,312 --> 00:30:59,442 And now he found out that he had to stand trial 669 00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:03,033 with a risk of spending the rest of his life in prison. 670 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:11,080 On the morning of May 7th, 2003, 671 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,459 John Thompson stood before the same judge 672 00:31:13,497 --> 00:31:16,079 in the same courtroom where he'd been sentenced to death 673 00:31:16,103 --> 00:31:18,707 18 years earlier. 674 00:31:18,752 --> 00:31:22,649 - But Michael and Gordon had a problem, they couldn't - attack the damaging 675 00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,715 Testimony of Kevin Freeman, 676 00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:27,678 the man they believed murdered Ray Liuzza. 677 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,310 Freeman was shot dead in 1995 while committing a robbery. 678 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:35,202 With Freeman dead, his previous 679 00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:37,100 testimony stood as evidence 680 00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:40,185 that Thompson had committed the Liuzza murder. 681 00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:42,112 We had all this evidence 682 00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:44,820 that Freeman had lied in his original testimony 683 00:31:44,862 --> 00:31:48,072 and we wouldn't be able to use that evidence effectively 684 00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:51,624 if we couldn't cross-examine him live on the stand. 685 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:53,367 Michael and Gordon proposed 686 00:31:53,391 --> 00:31:55,120 an unorthodox solution. 687 00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:57,883 After Freeman's testimony was read into the record, 688 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,836 they would cross-examine the empty witness chair 689 00:32:00,878 --> 00:32:03,548 as if Freeman was on the stand. 690 00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:06,506 We took evidence of the lies and put them into the form 691 00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:09,469 of questions. 692 00:32:09,511 --> 00:32:12,073 You told the jury you didn't know that John Thompson 693 00:32:12,097 --> 00:32:14,681 was going out to rob someone. 694 00:32:14,725 --> 00:32:16,702 Isn't it true, however that you set out 695 00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:18,725 to rob someone? 696 00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:20,648 Silence hung in the air after each question 697 00:32:20,672 --> 00:32:22,571 was posed, 698 00:32:22,608 --> 00:32:26,108 giving the jury time to imagine Freeman's response. 699 00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:28,412 You suggested in your testimony 700 00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:30,907 that you stole nothing from Mr. Liuzza at all. 701 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:35,016 - But you admitted you stole all of Mr. Liuzza's property, - didn't you? 702 00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:39,225 - We asked a series of questions like that, culminating - in the final one, 703 00:32:39,291 --> 00:32:41,478 Which was, "Isn't it true, Mr. Freeman, that you 704 00:32:41,502 --> 00:32:43,711 and you alone 705 00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:45,764 "murdered Ray Liuzza?" 706 00:32:45,798 --> 00:32:48,168 The jury knew where we were coming from 707 00:32:48,216 --> 00:32:51,773 - and they were able to see the lies in Kevin Freeman's - original story. 708 00:32:54,431 --> 00:32:55,763 Informant Richard Perkins 709 00:32:55,787 --> 00:32:57,141 also took the stand. 710 00:32:57,183 --> 00:33:00,773 This time, his testimony was devastating to the prosecution. 711 00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:02,210 Perkins admitted that 712 00:33:02,234 --> 00:33:03,653 one of the prosecutors 713 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:06,150 put him in a room with Kevin Freeman 714 00:33:06,192 --> 00:33:09,679 - before they testified at the original criminal - murder trial 715 00:33:09,738 --> 00:33:12,778 And said, "You guys get your story straight." 716 00:33:12,825 --> 00:33:15,637 Perkins also admitted receiving $10,500 717 00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:18,495 after Thompson was convicted. 718 00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:22,378 We were able to show why Perkins implicated Thompson. 719 00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:26,207 Perkins was a street kid who needed money desperately. 720 00:33:26,254 --> 00:33:28,974 He saw a chance for more money than he had ever seen 721 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:31,089 or imagined in any one place in 1985 722 00:33:31,113 --> 00:33:33,217 and he went for it. 723 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:35,891 And for the first time in 18 years, 724 00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:38,433 John Thompson was finally able to take the stand 725 00:33:38,457 --> 00:33:40,981 and proclaim his innocence. 726 00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,559 You could hear a pin drop. I mean literally. 727 00:33:43,605 --> 00:33:47,525 He finally had a chance to explain to a jury 728 00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:49,567 why he had the murder weapon. 729 00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:51,568 John Thompson's testimony 730 00:33:51,592 --> 00:33:53,571 was that he did have the gun, 731 00:33:53,615 --> 00:33:56,445 but he had bought that from Kevin Freeman. 732 00:33:56,493 --> 00:33:58,995 Kevin Freeman sold the murder weapon to an unwitting 733 00:33:59,019 --> 00:34:01,543 John Thompson. 734 00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:03,563 John was involved in buying and selling some 735 00:34:03,587 --> 00:34:05,591 stolen property. 736 00:34:05,627 --> 00:34:07,707 It's not something he's proud of. 737 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:09,401 I was a dope dealer. He was 738 00:34:09,425 --> 00:34:11,094 a burglar, he was a robber 739 00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:14,319 - and you wanted dope. You need to bring me - some type of collateral. 740 00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:16,636 They were bringing' me TVs, guns, jewelry. 741 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,367 That was a part of a drug trade. 742 00:34:18,391 --> 00:34:20,100 Being a fence. 743 00:34:20,141 --> 00:34:22,271 I'm sorry, that's how that I came about, 744 00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:26,110 being in possession of the murder weapon. 745 00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:28,064 The defense rested and the case was handed 746 00:34:28,088 --> 00:34:30,027 over to the jury. 747 00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:33,198 The jury get up and they leave with your fate in their hands. 748 00:34:33,238 --> 00:34:34,885 And you try to smile, while they leaving 749 00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:36,578 all them passing right by you. 750 00:34:36,616 --> 00:34:39,423 - All them looking you in your face, like, - for the last time. 751 00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:41,206 The pressure was enormous. It was almost 752 00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:42,964 like you couldn't breathe. 753 00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:46,515 - There is a lot of nervous energy and small talk - that goes on. 754 00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,707 But before we could sit down and order food the jury 755 00:34:48,731 --> 00:34:50,875 reached their decision. 756 00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:53,655 Boy, I was so scared because I say, "What? They did that... 757 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,433 what... how" 758 00:34:56,469 --> 00:34:58,446 The jury took only 35 minutes 759 00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:00,469 to agree on a verdict. 760 00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:04,112 - So the jury files back in. And whenever a jury - comes back, 761 00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:07,515 You're looking at every juror, trying to look for some hint. 762 00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:09,904 And it seems like an eternity. 763 00:35:09,942 --> 00:35:13,112 And the heart, meanwhile now, is racing faster 764 00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:15,114 and faster and breathing is becoming increasingly 765 00:35:15,138 --> 00:35:17,122 challenging. 766 00:35:17,156 --> 00:35:21,423 - This was the most agonizing moment either of us had ever - had in our careers 767 00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:23,294 And in our personal lives. 768 00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:26,499 Then the judge asked that the verdict be read aloud. 769 00:35:35,216 --> 00:35:37,258 The retrial of John Thompson 770 00:35:37,282 --> 00:35:39,346 lasted only a day and a half. 771 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:43,347 The jury took 35 minutes to return their verdict. 772 00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:45,893 When the jury come back the judge asked them, "Have 773 00:35:45,917 --> 00:35:48,441 the jury reached a decision?" 774 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,502 And jury say, "Yes, your honor." And then said, 775 00:35:50,526 --> 00:35:52,570 "Would the defendant rise?" 776 00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:54,046 There is incredible tension 777 00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:55,529 and nervous energy. 778 00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:58,700 You just don't know because juries can do anything. 779 00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:01,080 Each word slows down in time. 780 00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:04,333 It's "we, the jury, 781 00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:07,540 "find the defendant, John Thompson 782 00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:09,172 "not guilty". 783 00:36:12,545 --> 00:36:14,795 I can't describe it. 784 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,380 I literally felt like I was lifted off my chair. 785 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:19,883 I looked around at my mom 786 00:36:19,907 --> 00:36:21,386 and my sons and them. 787 00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:25,389 The relief I felt of knowing that I'm going home. 788 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,649 This is finally behind me. 789 00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:32,728 This is finally over with. 790 00:36:32,774 --> 00:36:34,994 We each gave him a big hug. 791 00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:38,697 It was uh, it was a moment. 792 00:36:46,663 --> 00:36:48,975 After 18 years in prison, John Thompson 793 00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:51,333 was finally going home. 794 00:36:51,376 --> 00:36:53,668 But aside from his freedom, he was walking away 795 00:36:53,692 --> 00:36:56,006 with little else. 796 00:36:56,048 --> 00:36:58,548 It's a kick in the behind and $10. 797 00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:01,698 - They didn't have no compensation available - for nobody like myself. 798 00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,748 - No matter how many years you do in prison, you get out, - you got to fend for yourself. 799 00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:09,517 So we approached the district attorney's office. And we said, 800 00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:13,441 "Look, John lost the last 18 years of his life. 801 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:15,753 "You all nearly executed him eight times. You all need 802 00:37:15,777 --> 00:37:18,071 to do the right thing. 803 00:37:18,111 --> 00:37:20,403 "And we were told in no uncertain terms that we 804 00:37:20,427 --> 00:37:22,741 could just jump in the lake." 805 00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:25,744 So we filed a lawsuit against the New Orleans 806 00:37:25,768 --> 00:37:28,752 district attorney's office. 807 00:37:28,788 --> 00:37:31,265 They proposed a settlement of $500,000 hoping 808 00:37:31,289 --> 00:37:33,788 to get half that amount. 809 00:37:33,835 --> 00:37:36,502 Under the United States Constitution prosecutors are 810 00:37:36,526 --> 00:37:39,215 required to give the defendants 811 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,589 evidence that is favorable to the defense. And these 812 00:37:41,613 --> 00:37:43,967 prosecutors did not. 813 00:37:44,012 --> 00:37:46,639 Your job is to prosecute the guy and seek a conviction. 814 00:37:46,663 --> 00:37:49,312 That's your job. 815 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,372 ADA Bruce Whittaker received the 816 00:37:51,396 --> 00:37:53,440 blood report showing 817 00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,769 Thompson didn't commit the carjacking. 818 00:37:55,815 --> 00:37:59,105 In a deposition, Michael asked him if prosecutors 819 00:37:59,152 --> 00:38:01,612 were obliged to disclose evidence. 820 00:38:01,654 --> 00:38:05,084 The understanding was you disclose exculpatory evidence. 821 00:38:05,117 --> 00:38:07,827 "Exculpatory" meaning what? 822 00:38:07,869 --> 00:38:10,159 That's a good question. I don't know if that... 823 00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:12,995 That's the kind of stuff I think that was never, 824 00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,293 perhaps, clarified to the extent it should 825 00:38:15,317 --> 00:38:17,591 have been clarified. 826 00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:19,586 Was there training for prosecutors 827 00:38:19,610 --> 00:38:21,589 on what that obligation meant? 828 00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,973 I don't recall there ever being training on that. 829 00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:26,260 I don't recall there being training, period. 830 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:28,774 Jim Williams, who prosecuted, Thompson, 831 00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:31,767 was asked who decided what evidence would be shared. 832 00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:33,142 It was up to the attorney 833 00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:34,520 trying the case, 834 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,402 we were expected to follow the rules. 835 00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:39,149 Were there any other guidelines that you can recall 836 00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:41,742 as to how you were to make that determination? 837 00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,124 No. 838 00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:46,969 When we asked the prosecutors about 839 00:38:46,993 --> 00:38:48,827 their knowledge of the law 840 00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:51,698 that requires that favorable evidence be produced, 841 00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:53,666 they got it all wrong! 842 00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:56,126 The district attorney's office had a handbook. 843 00:38:56,168 --> 00:38:58,248 It was flat out wrong. 844 00:38:58,295 --> 00:39:03,045 Their failures of understanding were frankly pretty surprising. 845 00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:12,060 A jury concluded that under 846 00:39:12,084 --> 00:39:13,693 Harry Connick's leadership, 847 00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:16,596 the DA.'s office failed to provide pertinent evidence 848 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:20,356 and violated John Thompson's constitutional rights. 849 00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:22,819 In 2007, the jury awarded 850 00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:25,401 John Thompson $14 million. 851 00:39:28,116 --> 00:39:29,448 But the DA.'s office 852 00:39:29,472 --> 00:39:30,826 would appeal the decision 853 00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:32,789 for the next four years. 854 00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:35,246 Meanwhile, John Thompson transformed his life, 855 00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:37,709 building an organization called 856 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,130 Resurrection after Exoneration 857 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:44,010 to help exonerees adjust to life after prison. 858 00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:46,341 He's also become a leading spokesman against 859 00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:48,679 prosecutorial misconduct. 860 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,202 It's really extraordinary to see John as a tenth grade 861 00:39:51,226 --> 00:39:53,730 high school dropout 862 00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:57,686 become a really very compelling advocate the way he has 863 00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,149 taken this tragedy that happened in his life 864 00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:02,440 and turned into it a force for positive change. 865 00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:06,798 After years of appeals, the DA.'s office 866 00:40:06,822 --> 00:40:08,781 finally argued their case 867 00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:10,873 to the U.S. Supreme Court. 868 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:14,199 In 2011, the bitterly divided justices 869 00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:18,956 voted 5-4 to deny the $14 million award. 870 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,527 - Five justices of the Supreme Court believed the New Orleans - District Attorney's Office 871 00:40:23,588 --> 00:40:25,798 Could not be liable 872 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,010 because there was not a prior pattern of similar misconduct. 873 00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:32,846 The majority opinion, written 874 00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:34,684 by Justice Clarence Thomas, 875 00:40:34,724 --> 00:40:36,774 found that even though Connick's office 876 00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:38,899 withheld evidence in the Thompson case, 877 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,147 that was not enough to prove a pattern. 878 00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:44,397 And yet a study done in 2008 reported that during Harry 879 00:40:44,421 --> 00:40:46,650 Connick Sr.'s tenure, 880 00:40:46,694 --> 00:40:48,841 in one out of every four cases where the death 881 00:40:48,865 --> 00:40:51,034 penalty was imposed, 882 00:40:51,074 --> 00:40:52,994 evidence was withheld. 883 00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:56,914 That was crazy. If that is not a pattern, I don't know what is. 884 00:40:56,955 --> 00:41:00,035 So who is going to get the last laugh? Jim Williams. 885 00:41:00,083 --> 00:41:01,585 In the photo of Jim Williams with 886 00:41:01,609 --> 00:41:03,133 the electric chair 887 00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:04,879 of the five faces visible, 888 00:41:04,921 --> 00:41:07,881 all of them were released from death row. 889 00:41:07,924 --> 00:41:09,716 In my mind, we should have charged him 890 00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:11,554 with attempted murder. 891 00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:14,201 This district attorney using false information that he know 892 00:41:14,225 --> 00:41:16,854 is false, to kill you. 893 00:41:16,891 --> 00:41:18,891 It's premeditated. 894 00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:22,662 - So we're saying that he could get away with murder? - What make him so special? 895 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,087 The only thing he was hiding behind was district 896 00:41:25,111 --> 00:41:27,490 attorney badge. 897 00:41:27,526 --> 00:41:30,213 Unfortunately, the Thomas opinion is the law of the land. 898 00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,946 And it gives me great concern. 899 00:41:32,991 --> 00:41:35,323 Make no bones about it. Prosecutors are now 900 00:41:35,347 --> 00:41:37,701 a lot less accountable 901 00:41:37,745 --> 00:41:40,287 for what they do because they know that if they don't 902 00:41:40,311 --> 00:41:42,875 produce evidence, 903 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:46,747 there is virtually no sanction for them or the office. 904 00:41:46,796 --> 00:41:48,588 John Thompson's activism continues to sound 905 00:41:48,612 --> 00:41:50,426 the alarm against 906 00:41:50,467 --> 00:41:52,177 the Supreme Court decision 907 00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:53,925 and innocent people being found guilty 908 00:41:53,949 --> 00:41:55,678 and executed 909 00:41:55,721 --> 00:41:57,851 for crimes they did not commit. 910 00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:01,457 - Now, I'm thinking about my children. The same thing - could happen to them. 911 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,359 A person could have that much power over your life 912 00:42:04,397 --> 00:42:07,187 and without being hold accountable for it. 913 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:10,613 I can throw the evidence away and still try to kill you. 914 00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,993 Whether you did it or not, without no consequences! 915 00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:15,969 That's scary. That's should be scary to everybody 916 00:42:15,993 --> 00:42:17,952 in the whole world. 75372

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