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I'm on my way to Roswell, New Mexico,
which is ground zero

for modern day UFO researchers.

It's very exciting to go to a city
that's steeped in alien lore,

but I'm not going there
to investigate the Roswell crash site

because that's been done
a thousand times before.

My mission involves
a much more recent discovery.

I'm headed out in search
of the Roswell Rock.

My name is Giorgio Tsoukalos.

I explore the world that exists
between reality and speculation,

the known and the unknown.

What we've been taught
by mainstream scholars

is not the whole picture.

But I'm convinced that every day
we are one step closer to the truth.

On July 7th, 1947...

an unidentified object crashed
on a ranch just outside the town

of Roswell, New Mexico.

The next day, the local newspaper
announced that officials

from the army airfield
had reported the capture

of a "flying saucer."

But just a few hours later,
the military revised that statement

to say the object was nothing more
than a weather balloon.

According to reports,
the government removed all debris

from the site of the crash.

And to this day not a single piece
of evidence has been recovered.

Now, this to me is the most
fascinating part of the story

because the object
that I'm here to investigate

was found near
the vicinity of the crash site.

So, what if it is the one piece
of evidence the military missed?

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How are you today?
Good. How about you?

Good. Thanks.
What can I get you to drink?

I'll have some coffee, please.
Would you like creamer?

No, just black. Thank you. Okay.

What brings you
to Roswell, New Mexico?

I'm meeting a guy who might have
potentially found an alien artifact,

so I'm here to investigate.

Really?

You're not the first one
to ever say that walking into this...

Ever, right?
Never.

A local man named Robert Ridge
discovered the Roswell Rock

about 10 years ago
while tracking deer in the desert.

And he found it right near the area
where the UFO allegedly crashed in 1947.

Now, the Roswell Rock is this small
triangular-shaped rock of brown color.

It has this design on top of it
that isn't etched into the rock,

but it actually protrudes from it.

And it's interesting to me that
most people I meet in Roswell

have never even heard of this rock.

Robert?

Hey. Giorgio.
Pleasure to meet you.

Thanks so much
for coming out and meeting me.

You bet.
Thank you for seeing me.

Have a seat.
Yeah.

How are you folks?
Good, how are you today?

Good, good.

Can I get you something to drink?

Some iced tea, please.

Lemon?
Please.

Did you bring the rock?

Yeah, yeah, I did.

Oh, wow.

I did not expect this level of detail.

It is smaller than I had expected.

Definitely heavier than I expected.

I mean, the precision is...

Wow.

The Roswell Rock reminds me
of precision-cut rocks

I've seen before
in other parts of the world,

like the obelisks in Egypt
or Ollantaytambo in Peru.

Are there any
strange properties to this rock?

It has some type
of magnetic field in it.

A magnetic field? How do you mean?
Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it reacts to a magnet.

Did you bring a magnet?

Sure.

I happen to have
my magic wand with me here.

It might spin for me today,
I don't know for sure, but...

Oh, wow.

That's interesting.

Let me see if I can...

Does anybody...
does it work with anybody,

or does it work...
does it only work with you?

Well, I guess I'm probably
better at it than most.

Wow.

That is sure strange.

And is this the only space
where it makes it spin?

No, it...

The other circle...

It does it over here as well?

Will send it counter... will send
it clockwise, yeah. Oh, wow, yep.

There's something else
you might find interesting.

You mess with something long enough,
you pretty much learn everything about it.

And so I was messing with it one day
and I got it to where it would...

It kind of draws
to my other hand, you know, it's...

I try to keep this hand
as still as I can and it's...

So it's almost reacting
with your body energy.

Yeah.
That is wild.

Well, would you be opposed
to show me where you found the rock?

Oh, no. I'm up for that, big time.
Yeah, really?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's go.
All right.

Check, please.

(Giorgio)
So, what do you do for a living?

Well, I've been in the paint
and body business, you know,

for basically all my life.

And I've owned my own shops.
Oh, that's cool. Excellent.

All right, now you're going
to need to take a right up here.

And then when you come around,
you'll kind of see the terminal up there.

There's a lot of history
here at this airbase.

In the '40s it was a SAC base,
Strategic Air Command.

This is the place that they brought
the debris from the '47 crash.

This is the place?
This is it.

So, Hangar 84
must be around here.

Off over here somewhere, I believe.

(Giorgio) Hangar 84 is where the
military allegedly took the debris

and alien bodies
after the crash in 1947

before eventually moving them
to another location.

It's kind of surreal to be
walking on the same tarmac.

Here's our pilot.

How you doing?

Are we ready to go?
We're ready to go.

Are you guys ready?
All right. Absolutely.

Let's do it.
Okay, let's get moving.

Sweet.

(Giorgio)
Firing up the engines.

Let the adventure begin.

(Robert)
Yee-haw.

Now, where is the crash site
in relation to where you found the rock?

It's 11 miles,
what we call the skip site.

And what do you mean
by the "skip site"?

It's where the saucer
made contact with the ground first,

left a massive debris field.

And then proceeded back
towards the mountains

to where it finally came to rest.

Why do people believe
that that is the spot?

Jim Ragsdale and his girlfriend
were up here camped.

They actually saw the craft come in
and were the first ones on the scene.

That's why they call it
the Ragsdale site.

They supposedly
saw the bodies and everything.

There's theispott. Ere.

This is it, right here?
Yeah.

Wow.

So, do you think there's
a connection between the crash

and finding this rock right here?

I think it's possible.

You know, the skip site
is this direction.

It was a massive debris field
from, you know, all accounts,

that was left behind.

And so if it was
moving that fast, you know,

to skip off the ground
like a rock on the water,

why couldn't that have been
thrown this far, you know?

You know, the government
did a pretty thorough sweep

of this country when that happened.

And maybe
they missed something, I don't know.

But I've thought it was special
from the very first moment

it hit my hand.

The military allegedly
spent months recovering debris,

but the sand out here
is constantly shifting,

so it's very easy to see how
they could have missed something

as small as the Roswell Rock.

Now what I want to do, too,
is I want to see if we can find

maybe some similar rocks
around here so we can, you know,

draw a comparison.

Great, I'm always up
for hunting a rock.

All right.

There's some rocks right over there.

All I see is some rocks that
are the same color like the sand,

but it's definitely not the same,
that's for sure.

Because you compare that
and, I mean, it's not even,

it's not even the same category.

Not a whole lot out here
resembles it in any way.

(Giorgio)
So I want to put these in my bag.

And so, you know,
over the next couple of days

I want to definitely mull over
what happened today,

and I'm going to go ahead
and do some investigations

on my own, so let's
head back to the chopper.

Let's do it.

So I'm on my way to Albuquerque
to see Linda Moulton Howe,

an investigative journalist
who has done extensive research

not only on the original
Roswell incident,

but also on the Roswell Rock.

I have read on Earthfiles
that there is a clear connection

between a crop circle
that was found in 1996

in England and also the Roswell Rock.

Pretty much
the two designs are identical.

What can you tell me about that?

At first I thought,
"Could it really be identical?"

And we can do a comparison here

Now, on the left is the rock,
the actual rock and its pattern.

And on the right
is the crop formation in wheat,

120 feet long.

And when you take each item,
you can measure it across,

they're exactly identical.

(Giorgio)
Wow.

So you clearly think that
the crop circle wasn't man made.

In this one particular case,
they had a pilot and a passenger

who said that they had
flown over the field

and there was nothing there,
and they flew back over,

couldn't have been
more than a half hour,

and here was this pattern.

There were four layers thick
where the crop was layered

as one direction would
flow and meet another

and another direction
would come over.

And there's no board, string,
foot, nothing can do that.

It was one of the most perfect,
clean lays that anyone had ever seen,

meaning perfection.

What's the significance of this?

I mean, it's kind of mind blowing.

Basically, we're dealing
with lunar astronomy.

The moon and the sun
and the tracking of the symbols,

this is reflecting past,
present, and future.

This is relating to space and time,
that moving through the universe

has got to be on a point-to-point
bending space-time

that quantum physicists
have talked about.

I really do think
something with a capital "S"

is trying to teach us humans.

Now the fact that we have
equal but opposite images

of what appears to be the sun
and the moon brings to mind

a concept from the ancient Hindu texts
known as the Vedas,

and that is, "As above, so below."

In other words, what happens
here on Earth is connected

directly to what happens
up there in the sky.

The very fact that
Robert Ridge's rock would have

these magnetic properties,
that it would spin clockwise

and counterclockwise,
was it constructed that way

by some intelligence?

Was it a fluke of nature?

And, Giorgio, no one has proved
this rock to be a hoax.

Linda, I thank you
very much for this conversation.

The information that I've learned
this afternoon has been

absolutely invaluable.

Thanks very much.
Thank you.

Honestly, I really thought
that this rock might be some fake,

but after seeing it in person
and after talking to Linda,

I'm beginning to think
that what we have here

could be something
quite extraordinary.

So now it's time to put
the Roswell Rock

through some serious scientific tests.

One of the biggest questions
concerning the Roswell Rock

is whether or not
the design on it is man-made.

And those who claim it is
say that because the design

rises out of the rock,
the most likely way

that it would have been made
is not with laser cutting or machining,

but with a process
known as sandblasting,

which can be used to cut away
the rock around the design.

All right, let's go.
Let's check this out.

So Robert and I decided
to meet with a stonecutter

to put this theory to the test.

Hey, guys.
David, how you doing?

I'm Giorgio, pleasure to meet you.

I'm David. Glad to meet you.
How are you?

Robert Ridge, David.
All right. Glad to meet you.

So, what do you have
set up for us here today?

Well, I'm trying to see
if I can make a rock

that looks like our Roswell Rock.

So you're going to try
to replicate this item here?

Exactly.

Going to try to show you all
how we do this.

What processes will you be using?

We'll be using stencils,
cutting, and sandblasting.

Okay.
That's awesome.

I got a head start.

I copied the design, traced it,

put it on a computer, ran it
through our computer system,

and cut the design,
cut it in a few different sizes

and of course all I had to go
was by this picture, so...

You can get a pretty good
tracing off of that.

Robert actually
brought the Roswell Rock,

so if you want to give...
Yeah.

The rock...
If that would help you out some.

Check it out.

What are your impressions right now?

(Robert)
Do you feel anything?

[Laughs]

No, I don't.

I don't blame you.

What are your thoughts?

It's kind of interesting.

It's got some markings
right there around that edge,

that are a little deeper.

It's a 90-degree there
and then it bevels around

on this side, it's got
this cup in the bottom here.

Very interesting.

Thank you.

Which one of you guys
are going to volunteer

to put that hood on
and sandblast this?

Every one of those cuts
and every one of those

are achievable by man.

(Robert)
Give it your best shot.

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All right.

Peel that stencil off.

First one finished gets a prize.

Oh, I was done five minutes ago, yes.

[Laughs]

Mine's 10 times bigger.

Now, I think that this here,
as a piece of art

that you've just created,
it looks awesome,

but it does not match
the Roswell Rock.

Well, of course.
It's a different rock.

These are perfect circles here
and perfect cuts.

Okay, I could take my little tool
and I could make perfect circles.

If you had to, you could take
and knock off those little edges.

It's simply not the same.

I mean, this is
an incredible creation.

Yet this and that to me
right now is different.

And I know you had
a half an hour to do this.

Thank you.
You know, I mean...

Make sure for my reputation
you say that,

that I only had a half an hour.

Of course.

This was supposed to be
the ultimate proof

that this is a sandblasted piece.

I got to tell you, Robert,
I am more intrigued now

than I was in the previous days.

All right, David.
Thank you very much

for opening up your shop for us.

Anytime.

All right, take care, see you.
Thank you, sir.

(Giorgio) The sandblasted
replicas appear very different

to the naked eye,
but Robert and I are going

to take an even closer look
under a microscope.

We're meeting with geoarchaeologist
Dr. Bill Doleman,

a man who has been
studying rocks for over 30 years

in order to get an expert opinion
on just what type of rock

the Roswell Rock might be.

You must be Giorgio.

I am.
This is Dr. Bill Doleman.

Giorgio. Dr. Doleman,
pleasure to meet you.

Pleasure to meet you, sir.
And Robert. Hi, Bill.

Pleasure to see you again.
You, too.

(Giorgio) We're here to
look at the Roswell Rock.

Now, I know you've seen
this rock before.

But we're here to draw
some comparisons

with some other rocks
that we found in the area.

And also a sandblasted piece
that we had done earlier.

So here's the rock, and then
we're going to look at this

under the microscope today, right?

We're going to look at it
under a microscope,

and we're going to look
at your specimens,

and we're going to talk about
whether that rock could have

come from there naturally or not.

I can't wait to see this
under high magnification.

Me neither.

Good.

Now, you found this where?

Well, at the base
of the Capitan Mountains.

Okay.

Let's take a look
at the geology map here.

So that would be...
From Roswell...

it's... Here's Roswell, and
here's the Capitan Mountains

right here, so we're smack
in the middle of a whole bunch of blue.

The blue is limestone.

Now, this rock doesn't look
like limestone to me,

so, right off the bat, it seems
kind of unusual and out of place.

Now, did you get
any rocks from the area?

I did, absolutely.

We collected some right here.

(Bill)
You guys are real scientists.

Well, we do what
we can do, you know?

(Bill) Play the sorting
game here pretty quickly.

Do some high-powered
scientific tests.

Now, this is limestone.

You see, I can easily cut it
with the point of a knife.

(Giorgio)
You're cutting into this why?

So you can determine the hardness?

To test the hardness, exactly.

Limestone generally can be
scratched with the point of a knife.

What I find striking... The question
is, where did that come from?

Exactly.

Because this totally falls out of line
with everything that we have here.

So, why do you think that is?

Or what is your hunch
on what this might actually be?

Basically it's what geologists
would call a pebble.

It's rounded, and that kind of rounding
is very typical of stones

that you find in a stream.

So, anyway, what's interesting to me
is that this is a uniform color all over

and that's very unusual.

As you can see,
any one of these rocks

has got different colors
in different parts.

Do you think that this might
have potentially been painted?

There's some coat of paint on there?

I'll tell you what I would like to do.
In fact, I've got the device right here.

I often use this to just grind down...

[whirring]

And polish the surface of the rock
to give myself a clean

polished surface,
to go through the patina

or whatever is on there
to really look at the rock's structure,

using a microscope.

Robert, what do you think?

Oh, hell no.

Uh-uh. No.

That ain't going to work.

Well, I didn't think so.
And, actually...

So for all intents and purposes,
this is a foreign object

to this particular region.

(Bill)
Even not looking at the design, yes.

It looks like it's quite probably foreign.
We haven't even talked about the design yet.

It keeps looking at me.

It's kind of hard to miss when
you look at it, yes. That aside.

Earlier, we went out there
to meet with a sandblaster

and he was 100 percent convinced
that this is a sandblasted piece.

A fabrication.

Yes.

And so what he did was
he created these replicas right here.

And we brought them to you
for comparison.

I'm guessing that these
are both some kind of

clastic sedimentary rock.

I'm going to get it set up
and you guys can take a look here.

All right,
why don't you guys take a look?

See what you see.

(Giorgio)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, you can definitely see
a difference between the two surfaces.

(Bill)
The granular structure of the rock.

Now let's put
the Roswell Rock under this

because that's what we came here for,
to look at this under magnification.

Oh, wow.

This is wild.

The edges are so clean.

I mean, it's as if this was carved
with some type of a very fine knife.

Wow.

It's crazy, huh?

I'll say.

I mean, this is not even
in the same ballpark

as the sandblasted piece is.

I mean, here is the crazy thing,
I've seen edges like this

before at Puma Punku.

Puma Punku is a site in Bolivia
that many scholars believe

is more than 10,000 years old.

There you can find
dozens of giant granite rocks

that appear to be cut
with extraordinary precision.

Now, no one has ever been able
to explain how supposedly

primitive people would have
accomplished this using copper

and chicken bones.

But according
to the local native legends,

they say that the stones
weren't carved by humans at all,

but by the gods.

Looking at the Roswell Rock
under magnification,

I'm beginning to think it's possible
that this is not a carving made

by some science fiction fan,
but it appears to be the result

of some type of advanced technology,
whatever it may have been.

Now, could it be man-made?

I still, of course,
cannot rule that out.

(Bill) To my mind, I'm seeing,
it almost looks as if that

was clay that got carved
with a very fine instrument.

Yeah, that's, that's...

(Giorgio)
I mean, it's extraordinary.

As a scientist, what would
you recommend for our next tests?

Well, I think we need
to look inside the rock

and we need to evaluate two things,

one, it's got
a magnetic field apparently,

we'd like to know more
about the origins of it.

Two, we're not really sure
whether it's multiple pieces,

whether it has a magnet inside it.

So, I got a friend
who's an electrical engineer

and he has access to some
very high-grade testing equipment

for measuring magnetic fields.

Second of all, I've got a friend
who has a CT scanner,

and that's basically
a three-dimensional X-ray of the rock.

And so we'll learn all sorts of things
about the inside of that rock.

We're not done yet.

No, the investigation has just begun
because I am definitely intrigued.

So, thanks again. Appreciate it. Take care.
Have a safe trip. I'll see you guys soon.

All right, bye bye.

(Giorgio) The next step in solving
the mystery of the Roswell Rock

is to find out why it spins
when brought in contact with a magnet.

Dr. Doleman
has arranged for a meeting

with an electrical engineer,
Nathan Menhorn.

And he has agreed
to bring a whole bunch

of sophisticated instruments
from his lab to his garage

where we can bring the rock
and perform magnetic field tests.

So, Nathan, Robert showed me
that with a simple magnet

he was able to make
the Roswell Rock spin.

So there are some type
of magnetic properties,

but we want to figure out
if we can use some more

sophisticated instruments
to determine whether or not

there's really something interesting
about this particular rock

that we have here.

It'd be kind of interesting
to know, "A," is there really

a magnetic field there?

"B," what is its strength?

And "C," what's its orientation
inside the rock?

What tests do we have lined up today?

Okay, so the first test
that I'd like to do

is measure
the field strength of the rock.

Cool. Let's get started.
All right.

Show us the goods.
Okay.

So, we want to calibrate
the magnetometer first

to make sure we're getting
accurate readings.

And what is this black thing right now?

This just isolates the probe
from any magnetic field.

Okay.

(Nathan)
Now...

So on the tip of the rock
we have about...

(Robert) It's going up. (Nathan)
A half to 0.8 gauss about.

.8

On this end...

close to zero there.

Close to zero there.

So the field is going to be
coming out of here,

so this would be
the north pole of the magnet

and this would be the south pole.

So, with the north pole,
we're getting a positive reading

because the magnetic field
is coming out

and it's coming back around
and going into the south pole.

So let's probe around
a little bit more

and see what else we can see.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Whoa.

(Bill) Yeah, look at that.
(Giorgio) 7.3.

(Robert) 6.8. (Giorgio)
7.3 there for a second.

We got an 8.1. Near a pole there, right?
It's getting higher.

(Bill) This is getting weird. (Robert)
It's the symbol that does it.

Whoa. Wow, we got an 11.
It's the thickest part of the rock.

We got an 11 right over,
over the fracture.

We got an 11.3.

The edge of the design.
(Nathan) 15.

(Giorgio)
That is pretty amazing.

There are some rocks found in nature
that contain magnetite

or other magnetic minerals
like a lodestone, for instance,

which the ancient Olmecs in Mexico
actually used as a compass

over 3,000 years ago.

But I do find very curious that
the magnetism in the Roswell Rock

seems to be concentrated in one area.

If there is a magnet, let's say,
artificially embedded,

then it would be right underneath
this area right here.

That's correct.

Mm-hmm.

Is that something
that you could imagine

that there might be a magnet inside?

Yes, there could be.

It's very, very, very possible.

(Giorgio) After Nathan suggested
that there may actually be a magnet

planted inside the rock,
I was more determined than ever

to cut into it to verify
that it is in fact a solid rock

and not some plaster cast
made from a mold or painted.

And so, reluctantly,
actually, very reluctantly

Robert agreed to let us use a grinder
on the backside of the rock.

(Bill) We're going to find
something out about this rock.

I think you have amazing courage
to let me do this,

and I greatly appreciate it as well.

But I want you to have one last chance
to say, "You know what?

Maybe we shouldn't do this."

Last chance.

Let's do it.

Let's do it. (Giorgio)
Let's do it.

(Bill) You are the man, Robert.
(Giorgio) Wow.

Here we go.

(tool whirring)

(Bill)
It's hard.

I'm going to try one more shot
at grinding and collect the dust

that comes off of there in case
we want to analyze it later.

I think we need to...

do more grinding.

(Giorgio) Robert was genuinely affected
by us grinding into the Roswell Rock.

I mean, the guy was tearing up
and it's hard to imagine him

doing that if he knew
the rock was a fake.

This rock isn't just a novelty to him,

but it's almost
as if it's a part of him.

The grain or the fissure continues inside the
rock. Yeah, I can see it going in there.

Absolutely.

So that kind of confirms...
Robert, come over here.

(Bill) Yeah, Robert, you've
got to see this, buddy.

You have to see this.
You're a bit emotional.

It's okay.

Right here, this is,
this is a natural rock.

There's no question that no paint
has been applied to this.

It's okay.
(Bill) Yep, you can breathe now.

If this thing was a plaster cast
made from a mold,

we would have found out
about it right there.

But whatever this thing
was made up of

is certainly
much harder than plaster,

and we now know that
it was definitely not painted.

(Bill) This is a very, very
fine-grained quartzitic sandstone.

Magnetite has what we're looking for.

I am going to go under
the assumption that they...

are the little black flecks
I'm seeing in here,

although I expected to see a lot more.

Magnetite could explain
the Roswell Rock's magnetic charge,

but we found much less
than what Dr. Doleman

was originally expecting.

But why does it have
a magnetic charge at all?

And one that's highly concentrated
in one specific part

of the rock's design?

That is still a mystery.

(Bill) This is much finer grained
than I expected it to be.

So at this point in time
I'm going to say even with this power,

short of thin sectioning the rock,
it might be kind of hard

to determine what it is
just because it is so fine grained.

And so I think that when we look
at the X rays of this thing,

we're going to have another chance
to think about, well, is the inside

different than what we can see,
having only shaved off

about half a millimeter?

Right. Wow.

And thank you once again, Robert,
I mean, I'm just...

Thank you. Good work. ...got all sorts of
pride in you for being willing to do this.

Thank you. I think a lot of times,
you know, when push comes to shove,

people back out.

You didn't back out.

You didn't, and that to me
was the telltale sign

because I was holding back
and I was, like, you know...

I don't know if this guy...

If he takes that rock
and is like, "I'm out of here."

You didn't do that.

"Oh, I left the real one
at home, sorry." Yeah.

Okay, so, here's what we know.

We've established
that the Roswell Rock

isn't some fan made rip-off.

It's not plaster.

It's not painted.

It's a real stone
with a finely carved design

that cannot be easily reproduced.

It's also magnetic,
but we still don't know why exactly.

So now we need to find out for sure
if there isn't some little magnet

or something hidden
inside the rock that makes it

move and spin the way it does.

Well, this is a CAT scanner
and it takes a beam of X rays

and passes them through a body
and detects them,

puts it through a computer
and makes images

that you can interpret.

That's fantastic.
Do you have the rock?

Well, yeah.
Let's do it.

There it is.

Whoa.

I've never scanned anything
quite like that, no.

So, this is a first? Let's go ahead.
Let's do it.

Okay, boss, take her away.

Fire it up.
Okay.

We're trying to come right
across the design. Okay.

You know, to show it
and get it all in one plane

because the surface
of the rock is slightly rounded.

Right, that's the design.
(Giorgio) Wow.

We're essentially flying through it.
Right.

Right.

(Robert)
Looks like a star up there.

(Giorgio) What's going on?
(Robert) That right there. See that?

Look at that.
Wow, it is a star.

It's a ganglion, actually.
That's the nerves of the rock.

(Giorgio) What we see here on the
screen is the inside of the rock

and it appears almost entirely white,
which means it's very dense throughout.

We see a gray line indicating
less density where the fracture is,

but overall this thing is pretty solid.

Now, if this rock was carved by
some process other than sandblasting,

we still can't figure out what it was.

And who would choose
such a hard rock to cut into?

We're looking right down
the long axis of the rock

and there's the design,
and we're looking to see

if there's any density behind that
as if it were

appliquéd onto the surface.

Which we don't see,
so now we're paging through,

scrolling through it. It looks like the
design is exactly the same material

as the rock itself.
It does, it does.

(Bill) I don't see any discontinuity between
the areas. (James) I do not see any.

So, I'd like to go back to,
like, at right angles,

reason being
this question that we had.

Is there anything inside the rock
that might be responsible

for the magnetic properties
that it has?

And nothing is present.
(James) And nothing...

We don't see any density in there.

But we don't see some clear cut
object inside that rock Exactly.

To account for the magnetism
or anything else.

The great thing is that
we now know that there

is nothing inside the Roswell Rock
because some people have suggested

that there's an inserted magnet inside
or something like this,

but clearly
there is nothing inside of it.

That is what I was curious about.
It doesn't look that way. Yeah.

I think this is all incredibly fascinating.
(Bill) Yeah, me, too.

It's great.

After conducting the final test
on the Roswell Rock,

I met up with Robert one last time
to get his thoughts on everything

we discovered this week.

There you are. Hey.
Good to see you again.

What's going on?
How are you?

Fine.
All right.

Wow.
Wow.

What a week, huh?

Man.

Before I tell you what I think,
I want you to tell me,

what do you think?
How do you feel?

I want to really thank you, you know,
for coming to Roswell to see me.

I'm just thrilled that everything
we've done has shored up

and validated what I've always
felt about the rock.

Great.

Do you have the rock here?

Yeah, I happen to have the rock here.

Well, it kind of travels
with you all the time.

Thanks very much.
You're welcome.

Appreciate it.

If y'all need anything else,
just let me know. You got it.

Sweet.

There it is.

This part right here
you can forever tell people,

well, this is where they did testing.

This is where
they ground into the rock.

Right, sure.

But I know that there were
some pretty emotional moments,

to say the least.

Yeah, well, you know,
it's, it hurt to take it

from the original state
that I found it in, you know.

That was the point where
I was still on the fence,

and then we drilled into it.

We determined right there and then
that it's not a plaster piece,

it's not painted,
and then the CT scan.

And, of course, also looking
at this under great magnification.

(Robert) Wasn't that cool?
Wasn't that just too cool?

(Giorgio)
Yes, I mean...

(Robert) That blew my
mind when we saw that.

Especially when I saw
the incision marks

under high magnification.

It's as if this was
a soft piece of butter

that eventually hardened.

And I have seen
these type of surfaces before

in other places around the world
where sophisticated tools were used.

I've seen that.

I think that we have an artifact here
that might potentially be ancient.

And so...

maybe this piece wasn't
left behind after the crash,

but that this is what
they were looking for.

A key.

Who knows?

It might truly be
of extraterrestrial origin.

Now, that is pure speculation,
but that does not prohibit me

from asking questions.

Sure.

And we all know if those questions
are uncomfortable,

and I always ask
the uncomfortable questions,

so be it, I don't care.
Right.

So, this has been nothing short
of amazing, and so before I leave,

I wanted to give you one of these.

It is the ancient pre-Columbian
gold flyer. Oh, wow.

I know this. I know this. I know
this very well. Wonderful, I'm glad.

So you are now part of the club.
This is so cool.

Thank you, thank you so much.

You know, I hope that
this won't be the last time

that we see each other.

I hope not either. So, thank you very much.
I appreciate that.

Yeah.
I'll take these with me.

Sure glad to have you.
And, you know, give me a call.

Yeah, I have your number, so...

Anything new about this for sure.

You got it.

All right, Robert.
Thank you, Giorgio.

Thank you very much. All right, take care.
Have a safe trip.

So, now, when I connect the dots,
what do I think that

the Roswell Rock actually is?

Well, perhaps it was supposed
to be found back in 1947,

but when it wasn't,
the crop circle was made

maybe as a second attempt
to give us the message.

And what is the message?

Maybe it's a type
of star calendar letting us know

that they're out there
and that they plan to return one day.

Let's face it,
the final chapter of this book

has not yet been written.

But in the meantime,
I'm off once again

in search of aliens.

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