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891
01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:28,122
One day he comes home
and says,
892
01:09:28,206 --> 01:09:29,957
"Can't bring that stuff
home no more."
893
01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:31,793
"Why?" Won't tell me.
894
01:09:32,126 --> 01:09:34,337
Then he'd get sick
for weeks.
895
01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:37,215
The Teflon flu,
the guys would call it.
896
01:09:37,965 --> 01:09:40,093
We knew
something wasn't right.
897
01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:43,429
But this house,
we bought it just by
898
01:09:43,513 --> 01:09:46,599
showing the bank
my husband's DuPont ID.
899
01:09:46,683 --> 01:09:49,977
Put both our kids
through college. Engineers.
900
01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:54,315
In this town,
that doesn't come without a price.
901
01:09:54,649 --> 01:09:57,360
My brother Kenny
didn't know that price.
902
01:09:57,527 --> 01:09:59,570
He joined DuPont at 19.
903
01:09:59,654 --> 01:10:01,989
Died on the operating table
two years later.
904
01:10:02,448 --> 01:10:05,535
- Ulcerative colitis.
- Just like Dan Schiller had.
905
01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:06,911
Who's Dan?
906
01:10:07,078 --> 01:10:09,706
A chemist at DuPont.
Worked with my ex-husband.
907
01:10:10,164 --> 01:10:12,917
And Roger,
what's his name?
908
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,502
Wilkins,
the foreman.
909
01:10:14,627 --> 01:10:16,879
Steven Gellar.
Randy Field.
910
01:10:16,963 --> 01:10:19,590
Randy's was kidney cancer.
He survived.
911
01:10:19,674 --> 01:10:22,218
- His wife didn't.
- No, June's was thyroid.
912
01:10:22,301 --> 01:10:23,886
It was supposed
to be treatable.
913
01:10:24,262 --> 01:10:25,596
They didn't catch it
in time.
914
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,932
But they caught it
in their son.
915
01:10:29,976 --> 01:10:32,061
Were your children
born healthy?
916
01:10:32,145 --> 01:10:34,188
- Yes. Yes, they were.
- Good.
917
01:10:34,355 --> 01:10:38,276
But we wanted
a third and couldn't.
918
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,569
I went to my doctor.
919
01:10:39,652 --> 01:10:42,363
He says, "You need a hysterectomy.
You need it right away."
920
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,408
I'm so sorry.
921
01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:47,076
Bad luck, I guess.
922
01:10:48,786 --> 01:10:50,163
I was 36.
923
01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:52,790
Mr. Kiger,
924
01:10:52,874 --> 01:10:55,084
you think I could get
a copy of that letter?
925
01:11:07,597 --> 01:11:09,557
What's wrong
with your hand?
926
01:11:09,932 --> 01:11:12,101
Nothing. It's fine.
927
01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:18,983
Whoa, Rob?
928
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:22,820
Rob, what are you doing?
929
01:11:24,781 --> 01:11:27,033
I mean, it's not enough
to poison these people?
930
01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:28,534
They gotta swindle them too?
931
01:11:28,618 --> 01:11:30,161
Okay, calm down. All right?
932
01:11:30,244 --> 01:11:31,954
DuPont wrote that letter!
933
01:11:32,038 --> 01:11:33,998
- Not the water authority.
- How do you know that?
934
01:11:34,081 --> 01:11:36,709
You think I don't know what a
DuPont letter looks like by now?
935
01:11:36,793 --> 01:11:38,127
Okay. Okay.
936
01:11:38,586 --> 01:11:39,754
I mean, Jesus!
937
01:11:39,837 --> 01:11:41,547
It's evil, Sarah.
938
01:11:41,631 --> 01:11:43,591
It's fucking evil!
939
01:11:43,674 --> 01:11:45,843
What's fack?
940
01:11:46,761 --> 01:11:47,887
Perfect.
941
01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,722
It's nothing, sweetie.
It's nothing. Oh, boy.
942
01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:51,474
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, honey.
943
01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:52,934
Can you give
Charlie the bottle, please?
944
01:11:53,017 --> 01:11:55,561
- Where's his bottle?
- It's in the bag.
945
01:11:55,645 --> 01:11:57,897
- What is all this?
- It's from Grammer's.
946
01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:00,358
It was left
in her mailbox.
947
01:12:00,858 --> 01:12:02,902
- "Medical claims, now and forever"?
- Here, bud.
948
01:12:02,985 --> 01:12:04,445
- "Now and forever."
- Is that that...
949
01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:05,613
That...
950
01:12:06,364 --> 01:12:08,366
Medical monitoring.
Is that...
951
01:12:10,034 --> 01:12:12,453
I thought you said
that wasn't gonna pass?
952
01:12:14,705 --> 01:12:17,583
- Morning.
- Guys.
953
01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:26,926
Our lead plaintiff
is Mr. Joe Kiger.
954
01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:30,596
Potential plaintiff,
if the partnership approves.
955
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,015
Mr. Joe Kiger,
a Phys Ed teacher
956
01:12:33,099 --> 01:12:35,226
from Parkersburg,
West Virginia.
957
01:12:35,309 --> 01:12:39,814
On behalf of
the 70,000 local residents,
958
01:12:39,897 --> 01:12:42,775
whose water
DuPont knowingly poisoned
959
01:12:42,859 --> 01:12:44,193
for the last 40 years.
960
01:12:44,277 --> 01:12:45,278
A class action?
961
01:12:45,361 --> 01:12:46,529
Let him finish.
962
01:12:46,612 --> 01:12:48,364
The Kigers were notified
963
01:12:48,447 --> 01:12:51,784
by their local water company
that DuPont had found
964
01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:55,663
small concentrations of C-8
in their water supply,
965
01:12:55,746 --> 01:12:57,206
but not to worry
966
01:12:57,290 --> 01:13:00,668
because those concentrations
were safe.
967
01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:03,671
Why?
Because DuPont said so.
968
01:13:08,009 --> 01:13:10,303
This is what DuPont
considers safe.
969
01:13:10,678 --> 01:13:13,180
That's something like
one drop of water
970
01:13:13,264 --> 01:13:15,349
in an Olympic size
swimming pool.
971
01:13:15,433 --> 01:13:17,935
In other words,
even a trace of C-8
972
01:13:18,019 --> 01:13:19,937
renders water unsafe.
973
01:13:20,021 --> 01:13:22,356
But DuPont told
the local water authority,
974
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:23,482
"Don't worry.
975
01:13:23,566 --> 01:13:25,568
"Your wells have got even
less than that."
976
01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:27,737
- Except that was a lie.
- A lie?
977
01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:30,448
Yes. DuPont has been
secretly testing
978
01:13:30,531 --> 01:13:31,866
these wells for decades.
979
01:13:31,949 --> 01:13:34,911
They knew they had
contaminated those wells
980
01:13:34,994 --> 01:13:37,914
up to six times
that level.
981
01:13:37,997 --> 01:13:40,666
And thanks to the Tennant
case, now we know too.
982
01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:43,377
Hold on. This stuff
is unregulated, right?
983
01:13:43,461 --> 01:13:45,004
I mean, as far as
EPA's concerned,
984
01:13:45,087 --> 01:13:47,131
it might as well
be rose petals.
985
01:13:47,214 --> 01:13:49,467
The EPA hasn't
set a standard, that's true,
986
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:51,218
but DuPont did.
987
01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:54,263
And all the law requires
to win a case like this,
988
01:13:54,347 --> 01:13:56,599
is to show
that DuPont exceeded
989
01:13:56,682 --> 01:13:59,226
what DuPont itself
considers safe.
990
01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:00,603
Self-regulation.
991
01:14:00,728 --> 01:14:02,605
- If what you're saying is right...
- It is right.
992
01:14:02,688 --> 01:14:06,067
...then why would DuPont tell this
water district anything at all?
993
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:07,610
Seems to me
that they're being
994
01:14:07,693 --> 01:14:09,445
a good
corporate citizen here.
995
01:14:09,862 --> 01:14:12,865
That's how long
you have to file suit.
996
01:14:13,282 --> 01:14:14,575
One year from the moment
997
01:14:14,659 --> 01:14:17,203
you realize your water's
been contaminated.
998
01:14:17,662 --> 01:14:21,749
This letter looks like it's
telling people their water is safe.
999
01:14:21,832 --> 01:14:25,002
In fact, it's notifying them
that it isn't.
1000
01:14:25,086 --> 01:14:26,754
DuPont has started the clock.
1001
01:14:27,129 --> 01:14:28,255
Smart.
1002
01:14:28,839 --> 01:14:29,966
We would've
counseled that.
1003
01:14:30,049 --> 01:14:32,093
It was sent
11 months ago.
1004
01:14:32,176 --> 01:14:34,637
The moment they realized
we knew.
1005
01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:37,515
In 30 days,
they're home free.
1006
01:14:37,598 --> 01:14:40,184
So that's the proposed
case in brief.
1007
01:14:40,267 --> 01:14:42,019
But there's something else
to consider.
1008
01:14:42,103 --> 01:14:43,354
You think?
1009
01:14:43,646 --> 01:14:44,730
Rob.
1010
01:14:44,814 --> 01:14:47,733
C-8 bio-accumulates.
It builds up inside of us.
1011
01:14:48,109 --> 01:14:50,403
Some class members
who aren't sick today
1012
01:14:51,654 --> 01:14:53,114
will get sick tomorrow.
1013
01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:55,950
We need a way to protect
them into the future.
1014
01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:58,077
Jesus, Tom! If you're even thinking
about using medical monitoring...
1015
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,496
Hold on. Hold on.
1016
01:15:00,579 --> 01:15:04,208
Medical monitoring
is a claim now permitted
1017
01:15:04,291 --> 01:15:05,501
in West Virginia courts.
1018
01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:07,545
- Oh, come on.
- Let's hear him out.
1019
01:15:07,628 --> 01:15:10,297
It say if a company
exposes a community
1020
01:15:10,381 --> 01:15:12,008
to something
that makes them sick,
1021
01:15:12,091 --> 01:15:15,302
they must monitor the health
of that community indefinitely.
1022
01:15:15,386 --> 01:15:19,265
Everybody get that? You're creating
liability from mere exposure.
1023
01:15:19,348 --> 01:15:21,058
It's also unprecedented.
1024
01:15:21,142 --> 01:15:23,269
Exactly!
Which is why not six months ago,
1025
01:15:23,352 --> 01:15:25,021
we fought tooth and nail
against it.
1026
01:15:25,104 --> 01:15:27,815
And you lost.
Our clients have the right
1027
01:15:27,898 --> 01:15:29,734
to avail themselves
of the law.
1028
01:15:29,817 --> 01:15:32,319
Potential clients.
1029
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:37,491
Okay.
1030
01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:41,412
I know you, Rob.
I know your passion.
1031
01:15:42,163 --> 01:15:44,415
You got a great settlement
for your farmer.
1032
01:15:44,498 --> 01:15:45,833
You should be proud of that.
1033
01:15:46,792 --> 01:15:50,379
And perhaps as the newest
partner at this table,
1034
01:15:50,463 --> 01:15:52,006
I should be
more circumspect.
1035
01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:56,177
But what he's
proposing here is
1036
01:15:56,802 --> 01:15:59,055
nothing less
than a shakedown
1037
01:15:59,138 --> 01:16:02,141
- of an iconic American company.
- We do not represent DuPont.
1038
01:16:02,224 --> 01:16:04,310
No, you don't
represent anyone.
1039
01:16:05,978 --> 01:16:07,813
Is this what
we have become?
1040
01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:10,649
Plaintiff's attorneys.
Ambulance chasers.
1041
01:16:10,733 --> 01:16:12,651
Why don't you just admit it?
Rob, you wanna flip.
1042
01:16:12,735 --> 01:16:14,862
You wanna take everything
that you know
1043
01:16:14,945 --> 01:16:17,364
about how
chemical companies operate
1044
01:16:17,448 --> 01:16:19,909
and turn it against DuPont.
Like an informant.
1045
01:16:19,992 --> 01:16:21,077
- That's enough.
- Isn't that right?
1046
01:16:21,202 --> 01:16:22,536
- Okay!
- Isn't that right?
1047
01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:23,996
- Isn't that right?
- Yes.
1048
01:16:24,538 --> 01:16:27,958
Okay, then, I...
I say we take a vote
1049
01:16:28,042 --> 01:16:30,169
and determine whether or not
1050
01:16:30,252 --> 01:16:31,754
we continue
in the tradition
1051
01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:34,173
that has distinguished this
firm from everyone else...
1052
01:16:34,256 --> 01:16:36,717
Okay, I'm running
this meeting. Okay?
1053
01:16:37,384 --> 01:16:38,385
You got that?
1054
01:16:39,386 --> 01:16:41,055
Has anyone even read
the evidence
1055
01:16:41,138 --> 01:16:42,223
this man has collected?
1056
01:16:43,432 --> 01:16:45,726
The willful negligence,
the corruption?
1057
01:16:47,186 --> 01:16:48,187
Read it!
1058
01:16:48,979 --> 01:16:50,856
And then tell me we should
be sitting on our asses!
1059
01:16:51,649 --> 01:16:55,528
That's the reason
why Americans hate lawyers.
1060
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,365
This is the crap that fuels
the Ralph Naders of the world.
1061
01:16:59,448 --> 01:17:02,159
We should want
to nail DuPont.
1062
01:17:03,035 --> 01:17:04,995
All of us should!
1063
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:07,289
American business is better
than this, gentlemen.
1064
01:17:07,373 --> 01:17:10,000
And when it's not,
we should hold them to it.
1065
01:17:10,084 --> 01:17:12,169
That's how you build
faith in the system.
1066
01:17:13,546 --> 01:17:16,298
We're always arguing
that companies are people.
1067
01:17:17,341 --> 01:17:20,803
Well, these people
have crossed the line!
1068
01:17:21,929 --> 01:17:23,597
To hell with them!
1069
01:17:27,309 --> 01:17:28,811
It may come
as a surprise
1070
01:17:28,894 --> 01:17:31,814
to corporate defense types
like yourselves,
1071
01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:33,774
but there's more to the law
than just flooding
1072
01:17:33,858 --> 01:17:35,442
the other side in papers.
1073
01:17:35,526 --> 01:17:38,737
From where I sit,
you have to touch people.
1074
01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:41,407
These girls,
they handle the calls
1075
01:17:41,490 --> 01:17:43,659
from the
class action members.
1076
01:17:43,742 --> 01:17:46,203
And there's thousands of 'em
on any given case.
1077
01:17:46,829 --> 01:17:49,915
And it's here that we come
to know their pain.
1078
01:17:49,999 --> 01:17:51,542
Isn't that right, Hazel?
1079
01:17:51,625 --> 01:17:54,920
Yes. We hear it every day
1080
01:17:55,004 --> 01:17:58,174
and it's my job to make
a jury feel that pain.
1081
01:17:58,257 --> 01:18:00,759
Not out of pity,
but out of fear.
1082
01:18:01,302 --> 01:18:03,637
Whatever it is
that happened to my client,
1083
01:18:03,721 --> 01:18:05,514
that juror has to think,
1084
01:18:06,557 --> 01:18:08,100
"That could happen to me."
1085
01:18:08,267 --> 01:18:09,685
You just
keep hammering it.
1086
01:18:09,768 --> 01:18:11,937
One part per billion.
One part per billion.
1087
01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,440
It's their own documents.
Their own scientists.
1088
01:18:14,523 --> 01:18:15,566
Absolutely.
1089
01:18:15,649 --> 01:18:18,068
They set that standard,
they have to live with it.
1090
01:18:18,152 --> 01:18:20,154
Yeah, I think
we can relax, Rob,
1091
01:18:20,237 --> 01:18:23,490
though, there's no way they're gonna
prevail with a motion to dismiss.
1092
01:18:23,574 --> 01:18:25,159
This is procedural.
1093
01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:27,411
It's nonsense.
We'll get a trial today.
1094
01:18:30,122 --> 01:18:32,374
Okay, I'll catch
you guys in there.
1095
01:18:35,961 --> 01:18:37,296
I wouldn't drink that.
1096
01:18:40,883 --> 01:18:41,884
Earl.
1097
01:18:44,011 --> 01:18:45,221
How ya doing?
1098
01:18:46,222 --> 01:18:47,431
Still here.
1099
01:18:49,266 --> 01:18:50,684
That's somethin',
right?
1100
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:53,604
Yes, that's something.
1101
01:18:54,563 --> 01:18:55,689
Good to see ya,
Robbie.
1102
01:18:59,485 --> 01:19:00,736
Can't let 'em
1103
01:19:02,238 --> 01:19:03,447
shut you down.
1104
01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:07,910
I won't. I promise.
1105
01:19:08,702 --> 01:19:10,037
Whole world
1106
01:19:11,705 --> 01:19:13,415
needs to know.
1107
01:19:15,542 --> 01:19:18,254
They will, Earl.
They will.
1108
01:19:20,339 --> 01:19:23,217
Hey, Rob? It's time.
1109
01:19:25,594 --> 01:19:27,346
I have to go.
1110
01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:45,406
We are here
on defendant's motion
1111
01:19:45,489 --> 01:19:49,118
to dismiss the case
brought by Mr. Kiger, et al.
1112
01:19:50,369 --> 01:19:54,081
Now, which one of you
is Mr. Wallace?
1113
01:19:54,832 --> 01:19:56,458
Edward Wallace,
Your Honor,
1114
01:19:56,542 --> 01:19:59,086
on behalf of the E.I.
DuPont de Nemours and Company,
1115
01:19:59,169 --> 01:20:00,629
better known as DuPont.
1116
01:20:00,754 --> 01:20:02,256
Yes, I've heard of it.
1117
01:20:02,339 --> 01:20:04,008
- Your motion.
- Thank you.
1118
01:20:05,009 --> 01:20:08,887
Your Honor, we're here today because
of a uniquely American invention.
1119
01:20:09,638 --> 01:20:10,639
Teflon.
1120
01:20:11,098 --> 01:20:13,809
Since 1961, Teflon
has liberated housewives...
1121
01:20:13,892 --> 01:20:16,937
- No, no, no.
- Excuse me. Homemakers...
1122
01:20:17,021 --> 01:20:19,315
This is a courtroom,
Mr. Wallace.
1123
01:20:19,398 --> 01:20:21,150
Not the Home Shopping Network.
1124
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:25,279
Plaintiffs have alleged
that DuPont
1125
01:20:25,362 --> 01:20:27,406
did not meet
its own standard of safety
1126
01:20:27,489 --> 01:20:29,950
with regard to
the level of C-8
1127
01:20:30,034 --> 01:20:31,327
in the local water supply.
1128
01:20:32,161 --> 01:20:33,579
That's irrelevant,
Your Honor.
1129
01:20:34,246 --> 01:20:35,664
We ask you to dismiss
on grounds
1130
01:20:35,748 --> 01:20:37,666
that the only standard
that matters,
1131
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:40,419
is the one that elected
government deems safe.
1132
01:20:40,502 --> 01:20:41,628
Not if it's unregulated.
1133
01:20:41,712 --> 01:20:43,797
It's government's job
to make these determinations.
1134
01:20:43,881 --> 01:20:45,424
- Not any one company.
- It's a trap.
1135
01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:46,884
They can't revert
back to...
1136
01:20:46,967 --> 01:20:48,093
I got it.
1137
01:20:48,177 --> 01:20:49,970
Is there a problem,
Mr. Deitzler?
1138
01:20:50,054 --> 01:20:51,764
Apologies, Your Honor,
1139
01:20:51,847 --> 01:20:55,517
but DuPont has been hiding
the dangers of this chemical
1140
01:20:55,601 --> 01:20:57,936
from the government
for a while now.
1141
01:20:58,020 --> 01:21:00,481
And they're asking you
to let them off the hook
1142
01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:02,858
because they've succeeded
in their strategy.
1143
01:21:02,941 --> 01:21:05,027
Government doesn't
regulate C-8.
1144
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:06,153
Actually,
that's not true.
1145
01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:07,571
No, no.
1146
01:21:07,654 --> 01:21:09,698
The West Virginia's
C-8 Working Group
1147
01:21:09,782 --> 01:21:11,283
has just issued
a standard.
1148
01:21:11,950 --> 01:21:13,118
Here with us today,
1149
01:21:13,202 --> 01:21:14,953
is the governmental official
who led that effort,
1150
01:21:15,496 --> 01:21:17,039
Dr. Mary Sue Kimball.
1151
01:21:19,625 --> 01:21:22,127
And, Dr. Kimball,
as a senior member
1152
01:21:22,211 --> 01:21:24,463
of the State's Department
of Environmental Protection,
1153
01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:26,090
isn't it, in fact,
your duty,
1154
01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:27,925
- to protect the citizens of West Virginia...
- Mr. Wallace.
1155
01:21:29,426 --> 01:21:30,552
I'll cut to the chase.
1156
01:21:32,221 --> 01:21:33,972
What is the level of C-8
in drinking water
1157
01:21:34,056 --> 01:21:36,225
that the State
of West Virginia
1158
01:21:36,767 --> 01:21:38,519
has determined to be
completely safe?
1159
01:21:38,602 --> 01:21:39,937
Watch it go from one
part per billion to?
1160
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:41,021
- Five.
- Ten?
1161
01:21:41,105 --> 01:21:42,773
150 parts per billion.
1162
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:46,902
- Welcome to West Virginia.
- The levels found in the wells
1163
01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:49,988
of all six water districts
represented in this suit,
1164
01:21:50,364 --> 01:21:52,366
do they fall below
this maximum level?
1165
01:21:52,449 --> 01:21:53,450
Well below.
1166
01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:55,702
Nothing else, Your Honor.
1167
01:21:57,079 --> 01:21:58,747
Your witness,
Mr. Deitzler.
1168
01:21:58,831 --> 01:22:00,290
Wait. Who's on
the working group?
1169
01:22:00,374 --> 01:22:01,708
DuPont, of course,
and who else?
1170
01:22:01,792 --> 01:22:03,127
- Who did the water testing?
- Mr. Deitzler?
1171
01:22:03,210 --> 01:22:04,878
- When was it done?
- One moment, Judge.
1172
01:22:04,962 --> 01:22:06,296
What was
the sample size?
1173
01:22:06,380 --> 01:22:07,423
We should
be able to see...
1174
01:22:07,506 --> 01:22:11,427
Going once, going twice...
1175
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:15,431
Dr. Kimball, who were
the members of this cabal
1176
01:22:15,514 --> 01:22:17,141
you call the C-8
working group?
1177
01:22:17,224 --> 01:22:18,684
Objection.
1178
01:22:19,017 --> 01:22:20,561
Cool it, Mr. Deitzler.
1179
01:22:22,104 --> 01:22:23,439
Go ahead, Dr. Kimball.
1180
01:22:23,897 --> 01:22:25,315
Agency officials,
1181
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:29,069
representatives of the scientific
community, um, stakeholders.
1182
01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:30,904
Stakeholders?
Which stakeholders?
1183
01:22:30,988 --> 01:22:34,450
Oh, wait, let me guess.
It rhymes with bouffant?
1184
01:22:35,617 --> 01:22:37,369
DuPont is a stakeholder. Yes.
1185
01:22:37,453 --> 01:22:38,620
So, I see.
1186
01:22:38,704 --> 01:22:40,956
So, don't you find it peculiar
that on the eve
1187
01:22:41,457 --> 01:22:43,125
of a class action lawsuit,
1188
01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:46,712
where DuPont might be
considered liable
1189
01:22:46,795 --> 01:22:49,298
for poisoning this community,
1190
01:22:49,381 --> 01:22:52,217
they get you
to come in here suddenly
1191
01:22:52,301 --> 01:22:56,096
and reverse decades of their
so-called heralded science?
1192
01:22:57,222 --> 01:22:59,183
That's false.
I don't work for DuPont.
1193
01:22:59,266 --> 01:23:00,517
I didn't say you did.
1194
01:23:01,351 --> 01:23:03,479
But now you bring it up,
we'll check back in a month.
1195
01:23:03,562 --> 01:23:05,272
- Your Honor...
- You honestly, was gonna plan on
1196
01:23:05,355 --> 01:23:10,194
telling this community that they
can drink 150 times more C-8?
1197
01:23:10,277 --> 01:23:11,987
I mean, come on,
people, bottoms up.
1198
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:13,071
Honestly, Judge...
1199
01:23:13,155 --> 01:23:15,324
All right,
Mr. Deitzler, enough.
1200
01:23:16,575 --> 01:23:18,076
We'll be unveiling
the new standard
1201
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:19,620
at an upcoming
public hearing.
1202
01:23:20,287 --> 01:23:23,207
Unveiling. Oh,
that sounds like a party.
1203
01:23:24,041 --> 01:23:25,042
We'll be there!
1204
01:23:31,048 --> 01:23:33,800
Their safety standards thing,
that's all a sham.
1205
01:23:33,884 --> 01:23:35,636
Thanks to
the Judge's decision,
1206
01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:37,638
we will have our day
in court.
1207
01:23:37,721 --> 01:23:38,931
Yes, we will!
1208
01:23:39,014 --> 01:23:41,350
Because if the state
of West Virginia
1209
01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:43,310
won't stop
the DuPont Corporation
1210
01:23:43,393 --> 01:23:45,646
from literally
poisoning its citizens,
1211
01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:49,066
then we, the citizens,
will stop them ourselves.
1212
01:23:51,193 --> 01:23:53,487
Good
evening and welcome to 20/20.
1213
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:57,866
Well, it coats the pots you cook
with so the food doesn't stick.
1214
01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:01,078
It protects the carpet
your baby crawls on.
1215
01:24:01,161 --> 01:24:02,955
I miss carpet.
1216
01:24:03,038 --> 01:24:05,249
...your skin lotion,
even your makeup.
1217
01:24:05,332 --> 01:24:07,209
We're talking about Teflon.
1218
01:24:07,292 --> 01:24:10,295
And tonight our 20/20
investigation uncovers
1219
01:24:10,379 --> 01:24:14,550
alarming information about
this much-used material.
1220
01:24:14,633 --> 01:24:17,177
It is very alarming, Barbara.
I cook with Teflon.
1221
01:24:17,261 --> 01:24:20,389
I didn't know until I watched this
report that you're about to see,
1222
01:24:20,472 --> 01:24:22,182
that if Teflon
gets hot enough...
1223
01:24:22,266 --> 01:24:24,059
...millions of people
have in their homes.
1224
01:24:24,142 --> 01:24:25,435
Teflon has become
such a familiar...
1225
01:24:25,519 --> 01:24:28,689
...Substance that is also used in
clothing and cars. Even in contact lenses.
1226
01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:32,109
...already found in the blood
of most Americans.
1227
01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:38,407
...millions of homes across
Australia. Teflon, a non-stick surface...
1228
01:24:38,490 --> 01:24:40,576
The
Environmental Protection Agency
1229
01:24:40,659 --> 01:24:45,581
this morning announced it has opened
a priority review of the chemical C-8,
1230
01:24:45,664 --> 01:24:48,292
currently the subject
of a class action lawsuit
1231
01:24:48,375 --> 01:24:50,252
against the chemical giant
DuPont.
1232
01:24:50,335 --> 01:24:51,336
Joe!
1233
01:24:53,463 --> 01:24:56,466
Joe! Oh, my Lord!
Joe, just wait!
1234
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:59,553
Wait for the fire department,
please, honey!
1235
01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:01,930
Please don't go crazy!
1236
01:25:02,014 --> 01:25:03,890
...have triggered a
mass panic amongst Chinese consumers.
1237
01:25:03,974 --> 01:25:06,727
...just throw away
your non-stick pans, many experts...
1238
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:09,021
Are your pans
making you sick?
1239
01:25:09,104 --> 01:25:10,814
That's the question
being asked...
1240
01:25:10,897 --> 01:25:14,067
...kitchen
implements coated in Teflon.
1241
01:25:14,693 --> 01:25:17,696
The house was empty.
It belongs to my father.
1242
01:25:18,071 --> 01:25:20,157
I don't know
how it could've started.
1243
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,491
His name Kiger?
1244
01:25:23,118 --> 01:25:25,245
Think someone might have
got the wrong house?
1245
01:25:33,837 --> 01:25:36,965
All of this
hullabaloo is just silly.
1246
01:25:37,883 --> 01:25:41,094
Teflon is completely safe
for cooking.
1247
01:25:41,178 --> 01:25:43,972
That is why we founded
the Cook Healthy campaign,
1248
01:25:44,056 --> 01:25:45,599
to set the record straight.
1249
01:25:45,724 --> 01:25:50,646
And besides being completely safe, it is also...
1250
01:25:57,903 --> 01:25:59,112
Copy that.
1251
01:26:02,115 --> 01:26:03,492
All the way down.
1252
01:27:08,223 --> 01:27:09,307
We're now on the record.
1253
01:27:09,391 --> 01:27:13,270
This is the videotaped deposition
of Charles O. Holliday, Jr.,
1254
01:27:13,353 --> 01:27:16,314
taken by the plaintiffs in
the matter of Kiger et al
1255
01:27:16,398 --> 01:27:19,609
v. the E.I. DuPont
de Nemours and Company.
1256
01:27:19,693 --> 01:27:21,403
Raise your right hand.
1257
01:27:22,112 --> 01:27:24,823
Do you swear to tell the whole
truth and nothing but the truth?
1258
01:27:24,906 --> 01:27:26,032
I do.
1259
01:27:27,451 --> 01:27:29,411
Uh, please state
your name.
1260
01:27:30,203 --> 01:27:31,955
Charles O. Holliday, Jr.
1261
01:27:32,372 --> 01:27:35,751
And are you
presently employed?
1262
01:27:36,668 --> 01:27:37,836
Yes.
1263
01:27:38,295 --> 01:27:40,338
What is your position?
1264
01:27:41,298 --> 01:27:44,551
I'm the chairman and chief executive
officer of the DuPont Company.
1265
01:27:45,886 --> 01:27:50,515
In DuPont's most recent filing with
the Securities and Exchange Commission,
1266
01:27:50,599 --> 01:27:55,020
you state, "Based on over 50
years of industry experience
1267
01:27:55,103 --> 01:27:57,355
"and extensive
scientific study,
1268
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:01,443
"DuPont believes there is
no evidence that PFOA causes
1269
01:28:01,526 --> 01:28:05,947
"any adverse human health effects
or harms the environment."
1270
01:28:06,031 --> 01:28:08,158
You signed
that legal filing, correct?
1271
01:28:08,241 --> 01:28:10,994
I don't recall the exact statement,
but that sounds right to me.
1272
01:28:11,077 --> 01:28:15,123
Are you aware that DuPont
has, in its own files,
1273
01:28:15,207 --> 01:28:20,212
studies dating back to the 1970s
that say just the opposite?
1274
01:28:20,504 --> 01:28:23,423
That PFOA, or C-8,
as it's called,
1275
01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:26,593
has potentially life-threatening
effects on human health?
1276
01:28:26,676 --> 01:28:29,596
I'm not familiar with the exact
studies we may have in our files.
1277
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,974
Then I'll take you through them.
Uh, Exhibit 9.
1278
01:28:38,313 --> 01:28:41,775
Uh, you were just
handed Exhibit 9.
1279
01:28:42,108 --> 01:28:46,196
- Uh, do you see the date March 13th, 1979?
- Yes.
1280
01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,032
- Do you see the DuPont logo at the top?
- Yes.
1281
01:28:49,157 --> 01:28:52,869
- Do you see this word here, highlighted?
- Yes.
1282
01:28:52,953 --> 01:28:55,622
- Would you read it for me, please?
- "Receptors."
1283
01:28:56,456 --> 01:29:00,085
Do you know what that word refers
to, receptors?
1284
01:29:00,627 --> 01:29:03,547
Um, in this context,
I do not.
1285
01:29:03,630 --> 01:29:05,257
It means human beings.
1286
01:29:05,757 --> 01:29:07,843
DuPont refers
to the men and women
1287
01:29:07,926 --> 01:29:11,680
that your company
exposed to C-8 as receptors.
1288
01:29:11,763 --> 01:29:16,393
And in these receptors,
your scientists found,
1289
01:29:16,476 --> 01:29:20,730
"significantly higher
incidents of allergic endocrine
1290
01:29:20,814 --> 01:29:22,691
"and metabolic disorders."
1291
01:29:22,774 --> 01:29:27,404
As well as, "excess risk of
developing liver disease."
1292
01:29:27,487 --> 01:29:29,489
- Do you see that?
- Yes.
1293
01:29:31,157 --> 01:29:34,619
Moreover, you have
infertility at Teflon.
1294
01:29:34,703 --> 01:29:36,955
Occurrences of leukemia.
1295
01:29:37,038 --> 01:29:39,332
You have excess of cancers.
1296
01:29:39,416 --> 01:29:41,459
Bladder, kidney,
oral, pharynx.
1297
01:29:41,543 --> 01:29:44,045
Next paragraph. 78.
1298
01:29:44,129 --> 01:29:46,673
Do you see that heading?
Do you see that date? Do you see that?
1299
01:29:46,756 --> 01:29:49,259
Exhibit 96. Exhibit 53.
1300
01:29:49,342 --> 01:29:51,428
I'd like to move on
to birth defects.
1301
01:29:51,511 --> 01:29:52,679
We've gone
almost seven hours.
1302
01:29:52,762 --> 01:29:55,640
Mr. Holliday, you're aware
that in 1981
1303
01:29:55,724 --> 01:29:59,477
3M notified DuPont that it
had conducted studies on rats.
1304
01:29:59,561 --> 01:30:00,979
And these studies showed
1305
01:30:01,062 --> 01:30:04,900
that sustained C-8 exposure
can cause facial deformities?
1306
01:30:04,983 --> 01:30:06,735
I'm not aware
of a study by 3M.
1307
01:30:06,818 --> 01:30:11,406
How about DuPont's own studies that
showed the same thing in humans?
1308
01:30:14,492 --> 01:30:18,288
That's DuPont's
pregnancy study from 1981.
1309
01:30:18,580 --> 01:30:20,165
Does that look like
a DuPont document to you?
1310
01:30:20,248 --> 01:30:21,333
It looks to be.
1311
01:30:23,376 --> 01:30:27,047
Are you aware that DuPont has
denied that any such study
1312
01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:29,591
ever even took place?
1313
01:30:30,884 --> 01:30:33,553
I'm not familiar with specific
statements we've made about that.
1314
01:30:33,637 --> 01:30:37,307
Seven pregnant women,
all DuPont employees,
1315
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:39,434
all from the Teflon line.
1316
01:30:40,226 --> 01:30:42,312
Do you see this here?
1317
01:30:42,395 --> 01:30:46,816
"Child, four months,
one nostril,
1318
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:49,110
- "eye defect."
- Yes.
1319
01:30:49,194 --> 01:30:52,405
Two of the seven women,
nearly 30%, gave birth
1320
01:30:52,489 --> 01:30:56,368
to babies that had the exact facial
deformities that your company
1321
01:30:56,451 --> 01:30:58,703
- already knew about.
- We're done here.
1322
01:31:00,872 --> 01:31:01,998
Sir.
1323
01:31:03,375 --> 01:31:05,210
His parents named him Bucky.
1324
01:31:08,922 --> 01:31:10,298
Bucky Bailey.
1325
01:31:12,175 --> 01:31:14,552
This is your receptor.
1326
01:31:23,019 --> 01:31:24,396
Now we're done.
1327
01:33:01,409 --> 01:33:05,121
The Environmental Protection
Agency has levied the largest fine
1328
01:33:05,205 --> 01:33:09,042
in agency history against
the chemical giant, DuPont.
1329
01:33:09,501 --> 01:33:14,130
The EPA concluded the company failed
to report the health dangers of C-8
1330
01:33:14,214 --> 01:33:16,800
used in the manufacture
of Teflon.
1331
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:21,054
Dupont will pay the EPA
16.5 million.
1332
01:33:22,347 --> 01:33:26,351
It earns a billion dollars in
profits from Teflon each year.
1333
01:33:33,483 --> 01:33:34,818
To recap,
1334
01:33:34,901 --> 01:33:38,113
we've agreed that DuPont will
clean local water supplies.
1335
01:33:38,196 --> 01:33:41,783
Install infiltration systems
in all six water districts.
1336
01:33:42,700 --> 01:33:46,412
Additionally, DuPont will pay
70 million in cash to the Class.
1337
01:33:46,496 --> 01:33:48,706
Three days' revenue
on the Teflon line.
1338
01:33:49,874 --> 01:33:53,753
Which leaves our most
challenging issue. Medical monitoring.
1339
01:33:53,837 --> 01:33:56,923
We've agreed to establish
an independent science panel
1340
01:33:57,006 --> 01:34:01,553
comprised of three scientists who
have no relationship to either side.
1341
01:34:02,387 --> 01:34:05,849
This independent panel will
study the members of this Class
1342
01:34:05,932 --> 01:34:09,769
to determine whether C-8 exposure
has led to increased incidents
1343
01:34:09,853 --> 01:34:11,855
of disease in this region.
1344
01:34:12,647 --> 01:34:15,483
If the panel finds that there
are probable scientific links
1345
01:34:15,567 --> 01:34:18,987
to a particular disease,
the health of everyone in the Class
1346
01:34:19,070 --> 01:34:22,991
will be monitored for
that disease in perpetuity
1347
01:34:23,074 --> 01:34:26,494
at DuPont's cost,
up to 235 million.
1348
01:34:26,578 --> 01:34:29,372
And any Class member
who develops that disease
1349
01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:32,125
can sue DuPont for damages.
1350
01:34:32,959 --> 01:34:34,127
However...
1351
01:34:34,711 --> 01:34:38,631
If the science panel fails to
establish probable scientific links,
1352
01:34:39,340 --> 01:34:40,508
then this case is over.
1353
01:34:40,592 --> 01:34:44,137
No monitoring.
No lawsuits. No exceptions.
1354
01:34:44,929 --> 01:34:48,600
Good. Well, gentlemen, you are now
officially in the hands of science.
1355
01:34:49,934 --> 01:34:54,397
Well, wouldn't have
pegged you as a Mai Tai guy.
1356
01:34:55,273 --> 01:34:57,734
- It's festive.
- Wouldn't have pegged you for that either.
1357
01:34:57,817 --> 01:35:00,570
We have something to celebrate.
Yeah?
1358
01:35:00,653 --> 01:35:01,738
Do we?
1359
01:35:03,072 --> 01:35:06,868
Look, how do we know
that the panel's gonna prove
1360
01:35:06,951 --> 01:35:09,579
that DuPont made
all these people sick?
1361
01:35:10,330 --> 01:35:12,832
I'm no scientist,
but even I know you'd need
1362
01:35:12,916 --> 01:35:15,752
huge amounts of medical data,
not to mention
1363
01:35:15,835 --> 01:35:17,503
thousands of blood samples
and...
1364
01:35:17,587 --> 01:35:19,839
From people
who don't trust us.
1365
01:35:19,923 --> 01:35:23,218
"Hey, folks, we wanna stick you with
some needles. You won't mind, will ya?"
1366
01:35:24,385 --> 01:35:26,804
I know these people,
you know.
1367
01:35:27,513 --> 01:35:30,058
They're gonna
take the money and run.
1368
01:35:30,141 --> 01:35:31,267
Wouldn't you?
1369
01:35:31,351 --> 01:35:36,022
I think they want more than just the money.
I think they...
1370
01:35:36,981 --> 01:35:39,525
They wanna know if they're
gonna get sick or not.
1371
01:35:39,609 --> 01:35:42,612
Or if they have C-8 in their
blood, and what that's gonna do
1372
01:35:42,695 --> 01:35:45,114
to them and their families.
1373
01:35:46,366 --> 01:35:48,868
So, we're just gonna trust
that they show up?
1374
01:35:48,952 --> 01:35:52,413
- Trust, but verify.
- What does that mean, Rob?
1375
01:35:53,706 --> 01:35:56,751
Well, come in for an exam.
1376
01:35:56,834 --> 01:36:00,213
Um, give us a blood sample.
1377
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,966
Then, we'll give you
your check.
1378
01:36:05,843 --> 01:36:07,929
On second thought,
make mine a Mai Tai.
1379
01:36:08,012 --> 01:36:09,013
All around, please.
1380
01:36:10,431 --> 01:36:12,558
- Rob Bilott.
- Yeah.
1381
01:36:12,684 --> 01:36:14,852
Where'd you pull that out of?
1382
01:36:15,061 --> 01:36:17,563
Healthy drinking
water is vital to all of us.
1383
01:36:17,647 --> 01:36:20,733
That's why scientists need
to know if the chemical C-8
1384
01:36:20,817 --> 01:36:22,318
causes any health problems.
1385
01:36:22,402 --> 01:36:26,197
Starting today, you can help by completing
a health questionnaire and having...
1386
01:36:29,242 --> 01:36:31,035
Oh, come on!
1387
01:36:31,119 --> 01:36:32,912
...medical van's downtown.
Well, how about you?
1388
01:36:32,996 --> 01:36:37,000
- You gonna get your blood tested?
- Nah. I hate needles.
1389
01:36:37,083 --> 01:36:39,127
It's $400, buddy.
1390
01:36:39,919 --> 01:36:40,920
Really?
1391
01:36:41,004 --> 01:36:43,131
Got your attention, didn't I?
1392
01:37:11,743 --> 01:37:15,204
Okay. Okay.
All right. All right.
1393
01:37:15,788 --> 01:37:17,498
Yeah. That'll work.
1394
01:37:17,582 --> 01:37:19,250
We bring them back here.
1395
01:37:20,376 --> 01:37:22,879
Draw the blood,
hand them a check.
1396
01:37:22,962 --> 01:37:25,214
- $400?
- Each.
1397
01:37:25,298 --> 01:37:27,133
Lots of money around here.
1398
01:37:27,300 --> 01:37:29,052
How many you brought
with you today, Miss LUAnn?
1399
01:37:29,135 --> 01:37:31,512
My husband,
and my three kids, and me.
1400
01:37:31,596 --> 01:37:33,056
$2,000.
1401
01:37:33,139 --> 01:37:35,975
- Not too shabby right before Christmas.
- Yup.
1402
01:37:36,976 --> 01:37:39,062
But you ain't
gonna find nothing.
1403
01:37:39,145 --> 01:37:42,231
DuPont's good people.
You'll see.
1404
01:37:45,985 --> 01:37:47,445
Gigi, Gigi, Gigi!
1405
01:37:47,528 --> 01:37:50,531
It's your turn to put
the angel on the top.
1406
01:37:51,032 --> 01:37:53,409
- You do it, sweetie.
- Gigi's too pooped.
1407
01:37:53,493 --> 01:37:56,454
Why don't you get your Uncle
Ben to give you a boost?
1408
01:37:56,537 --> 01:37:59,499
- Ooh.
- Mom, you okay?
1409
01:37:59,582 --> 01:38:00,583
Yeah.
1410
01:38:00,666 --> 01:38:02,168
Seriously, it's huge.
1411
01:38:02,251 --> 01:38:04,170
They're gonna be making you
partner this year. I know it.
1412
01:38:04,253 --> 01:38:06,130
Well, they'd better.
I mean...
1413
01:38:06,381 --> 01:38:08,007
Mommy, come see!
1414
01:38:08,091 --> 01:38:09,175
Hey, baby,
did you hang that ornament?
1415
01:38:09,258 --> 01:38:11,260
- Rob, can you get that?
- Let me see.
1416
01:38:11,344 --> 01:38:12,553
Okay, I'm coming.
1417
01:38:16,557 --> 01:38:17,558
Hello?
1418
01:38:17,642 --> 01:38:20,019
- Rob, you sitting down for this?
- Larry, what's wrong?
1419
01:38:20,103 --> 01:38:23,523
- Sixty-nine thousand.
- Sixty-nine thousand what?
1420
01:38:23,606 --> 01:38:26,734
Sixty-nine thousand people got tested.
Sixty-nine thousand!
1421
01:38:26,818 --> 01:38:28,945
Do you realize
how much data this is?
1422
01:38:29,028 --> 01:38:30,363
It's what we needed, Rob!
This is it!
1423
01:38:30,446 --> 01:38:32,949
- Oh, my God.
- You were right all along, my friend.
1424
01:38:33,032 --> 01:38:34,450
- Merry Christmas!
- Thank you!
1425
01:38:34,534 --> 01:38:36,035
- You bet.
- Thank you!
1426
01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:37,412
Talk real soon.
1427
01:38:39,122 --> 01:38:41,082
- Hey, who was that?
- You won't believe it.
1428
01:38:41,165 --> 01:38:43,793
- Daddy, guess what I just did?
- What? What'd you just do?
1429
01:38:43,876 --> 01:38:45,711
I put the angel on the top.
1430
01:38:45,795 --> 01:38:47,171
- Yeah?
- Uncle Ben lifted me.
1431
01:38:47,255 --> 01:38:49,882
He did? Like this? Oh!
1432
01:38:49,966 --> 01:38:53,761
- Merry Christmas, everyone!
- Merry Christmas!
1433
01:39:08,568 --> 01:39:13,114
We are gathered here today
in the memory of Wilbur Earl Tennant.
1434
01:39:13,614 --> 01:39:16,492
"The Lord is my shepherd,
I shall not want.
1435
01:39:17,076 --> 01:39:19,745
"He makes me lie down
in green pastures.
1436
01:39:20,246 --> 01:39:25,084
"He leads me besides still waters.
He restoreth my soul.
1437
01:39:25,168 --> 01:39:28,671
"Even though I walk through the
valley of the shadow of death,
1438
01:39:28,754 --> 01:39:30,923
"I will fear no evil..."
1439
01:40:03,498 --> 01:40:05,124
Quick, everybody.
Mustard or ketchup?
1440
01:40:05,208 --> 01:40:07,376
Teddy, for the tenth
time, that's my ketchup.
1441
01:40:07,460 --> 01:40:10,463
- Charlie, don't start.
- What? It's mine. I got it.
1442
01:40:10,546 --> 01:40:13,216
- He's got his own, okay?
- You're that lawyer.
1443
01:40:13,591 --> 01:40:14,759
Finish up.
1444
01:40:16,385 --> 01:40:20,139
My brother's Dale Lamb. You took his blood.
Said you'd help him.
1445
01:40:20,890 --> 01:40:23,434
Yeah, I did. We're...
We're working on it. I promise.
1446
01:40:23,518 --> 01:40:24,852
He's dead.
1447
01:40:26,604 --> 01:40:28,397
Testicular cancer.
1448
01:40:30,441 --> 01:40:33,069
Left three little boys
younger than yours.
1449
01:40:38,282 --> 01:40:40,493
But you enjoy your family.
1450
01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:44,080
Okay. Everybody up.
1451
01:40:44,163 --> 01:40:45,831
- I'm not finished.
- I said up.
1452
01:41:24,704 --> 01:41:28,249
Well, Darlene can't even leave
the house without being harassed!
1453
01:41:29,542 --> 01:41:33,212
First, they blame us
for suing DuPont,
1454
01:41:33,296 --> 01:41:36,757
and now they hate on us 'cause
they ain't seen nothing from it!
1455
01:41:36,841 --> 01:41:39,844
- I'm sorry, Joe...
- Well, that ain't good enough!
1456
01:41:40,094 --> 01:41:43,639
And they wonder why in the
hell it takes four damn years
1457
01:41:43,723 --> 01:41:47,184
to read a lousy blood sample,
and I don't blame 'em!
1458
01:41:47,602 --> 01:41:51,731
We trusted you, Rob.
We put our faith in you.
1459
01:41:51,814 --> 01:41:54,191
- I know, Joe. I'm so...
- All right?
1460
01:41:58,654 --> 01:42:02,742
Isn't there just some
kind of a progress report?
1461
01:42:02,825 --> 01:42:06,078
Anything that I can
share with these folks?
1462
01:42:06,162 --> 01:42:08,664
I mean, they...
They have been waiting.
1463
01:42:08,748 --> 01:42:10,166
I'm sorry, Mr. Bilott.
1464
01:42:10,249 --> 01:42:12,001
The Panel is still
in the process of
1465
01:42:12,084 --> 01:42:14,003
analyzing complex data
and modeling
1466
01:42:14,086 --> 01:42:16,839
from thousands of samples
and medical histories.
1467
01:42:16,964 --> 01:42:20,092
I'm so sorry. Could you hold a moment?
1468
01:42:30,269 --> 01:42:32,438
Charlie,
don't pick at your food.
1469
01:42:34,148 --> 01:42:35,399
What's a hooker?
1470
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:39,111
Where did you learn that?
1471
01:42:39,195 --> 01:42:41,947
He told me that
Mary Magdalene was a hooker.
1472
01:42:43,699 --> 01:42:46,869
- What? She was.
- You're supposed to say prostitute.
1473
01:42:46,952 --> 01:42:49,372
And then
she found God
1474
01:42:49,455 --> 01:42:52,249
and became one of Jesus's
most fervent disciples.
1475
01:42:53,959 --> 01:42:55,336
See? I was just
teaching him the Bible.
1476
01:42:55,961 --> 01:42:58,422
I can't today.
So everybody up.
1477
01:42:59,048 --> 01:43:00,549
Everybody up!
1478
01:43:08,391 --> 01:43:11,602
- Can we still afford it?
- What?
1479
01:43:12,561 --> 01:43:13,854
Catholic school.
1480
01:43:29,662 --> 01:43:31,706
My brother's back in rehab.
Did you know that?
1481
01:43:34,667 --> 01:43:37,670
- No, I'm sorry.
- Today's...
1482
01:43:39,338 --> 01:43:41,799
Today's Mom's first day
at chemo.
1483
01:43:42,425 --> 01:43:43,426
I forgot.
1484
01:43:43,509 --> 01:43:46,262
'Cause it's not
about your case, Rob.
1485
01:43:46,512 --> 01:43:47,722
Car!
1486
01:43:47,805 --> 01:43:49,098
- Gosh.
- Okay. Jimmies.
1487
01:43:55,104 --> 01:43:58,858
Teddy forged my signature,
and Tony's quitting football. Tony.
1488
01:43:58,941 --> 01:44:00,943
But how would you
know about that, right?
1489
01:44:01,026 --> 01:44:03,112
Because all you see,
all that you...
1490
01:44:03,195 --> 01:44:06,699
You... The boys have ever seen is
you, obsessing about this...
1491
01:44:11,203 --> 01:44:12,913
Have I ever complained?
1492
01:44:16,667 --> 01:44:19,545
Say something,
for God's sakes, Rob!
1493
01:44:19,628 --> 01:44:21,589
- No.
- No?
1494
01:44:21,672 --> 01:44:23,466
- No.
- No.
1495
01:44:24,508 --> 01:44:26,552
Because I knew that
you needed something.
1496
01:44:26,635 --> 01:44:29,388
Some connection...
Something.
1497
01:44:29,472 --> 01:44:30,473
And...
1498
01:44:30,890 --> 01:44:31,891
So I took it on.
1499
01:44:33,058 --> 01:44:37,021
But if you want to start accounting,
if you want to start with,
1500
01:44:37,104 --> 01:44:39,148
"Oh, can we afford," then...
1501
01:44:42,485 --> 01:44:44,195
I don't know, Rob.
1502
01:44:45,154 --> 01:44:47,907
Can the boys afford a father who
can't string two words together?
1503
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:50,534
Can our marriage
afford 13 years of...
1504
01:44:50,618 --> 01:44:52,495
Thirteen years of this?
1505
01:44:55,164 --> 01:44:58,751
How about it, Rob? You wanna talk about it?
About our lives?
1506
01:45:02,922 --> 01:45:04,256
Of course not.
1507
01:45:06,008 --> 01:45:08,219
I'll tell Mom
you asked about her.
1508
01:45:11,180 --> 01:45:14,558
What in God's name is that Panel
doing? Why are we still getting bills?
1509
01:45:14,934 --> 01:45:17,186
Overhead. Uh...
1510
01:45:17,269 --> 01:45:18,354
Local counsel.
1511
01:45:18,437 --> 01:45:21,023
- Harry's call center...
- $1,000 an hour.
1512
01:45:21,106 --> 01:45:23,442
That... That was
a technical expert.
1513
01:45:23,526 --> 01:45:27,738
We needed to do filings when DuPont
started lobbying Washington...
1514
01:45:27,822 --> 01:45:29,532
That's Washington's problem,
not ours.
1515
01:45:29,615 --> 01:45:31,283
That's why you got them involved.
Your memo.
1516
01:45:31,367 --> 01:45:34,119
It was just a fine, Tom.
It's a fine. Sixteen million.
1517
01:45:34,203 --> 01:45:37,039
It's... It's nothing for these people.
It's pocket change.
1518
01:45:37,122 --> 01:45:39,500
Yes, but if they get charged with
criminal concealment, game over.
1519
01:45:39,625 --> 01:45:42,253
- You said DOJ was investigating.
- Not anymore.
1520
01:45:42,378 --> 01:45:44,213
- What?
- They dropped the investigation.
1521
01:45:44,338 --> 01:45:46,841
- They dropped... What?
- They dropped it. No reason given.
1522
01:45:49,677 --> 01:45:53,514
Tom, our government is
captive to DuPont.
1523
01:45:53,973 --> 01:45:56,809
This case,
it's the only hope we have.
1524
01:45:56,892 --> 01:45:59,311
They know that, and they're
trying to make it as expensive
1525
01:45:59,395 --> 01:46:02,189
as they can to force you
to make me stop.
1526
01:46:04,358 --> 01:46:06,235
- Just tell me how much longer.
- I...
1527
01:46:07,319 --> 01:46:10,781
I... I can't.
I... wish I could.
1528
01:46:12,366 --> 01:46:13,659
- Tom, I...
- Are you okay?
1529
01:46:13,742 --> 01:46:15,286
Um, I'm fine. I'm just...
1530
01:46:15,369 --> 01:46:19,748
Rob, I'm a Managing Partner
now. I have a firm to run.
1531
01:46:20,249 --> 01:46:24,086
I know. And Tom, I think there
could be a huge payout here...
1532
01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:25,546
You think
I'm in this for money?
1533
01:46:26,338 --> 01:46:27,464
- No, I...
- You think I am...
1534
01:46:27,548 --> 01:46:32,011
Letting you drag this firm's
reputation through a meat grinder
1535
01:46:32,094 --> 01:46:33,721
for some kind of
plaintiff's payoff?
1536
01:46:36,181 --> 01:46:38,893
I... I don't know why you're doing it.
1537
01:46:43,147 --> 01:46:45,441
Rob, listen, I... I'm sorry,
1538
01:46:45,524 --> 01:46:48,110
but you're gonna have to
take another pay cut.
1539
01:46:48,193 --> 01:46:51,113
Tom, that's...
That's my fourth pay cut.
1540
01:46:51,196 --> 01:46:54,158
I... I'm down
to a third now.
1541
01:46:54,241 --> 01:46:56,493
You don't have any clients.
No one will take your calls.
1542
01:46:58,203 --> 01:47:02,458
What am I supposed to do here?
Now, I'm on your side, but...
1543
01:47:02,791 --> 01:47:03,792
Rob?
1544
01:47:04,710 --> 01:47:07,129
Amy? Amy!
1545
01:47:07,212 --> 01:47:09,214
- Kathleen!
- Get some help!
1546
01:47:09,298 --> 01:47:10,758
- Kathleen!
- Get some help!
1547
01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:13,135
Rob! Rob!
1548
01:47:23,354 --> 01:47:25,564
Looks like
we should, uh, cancel
1549
01:47:25,648 --> 01:47:28,776
my 4:00 with Jerry and...
1550
01:47:28,859 --> 01:47:31,445
I don't know.
We're waiting to find out.
1551
01:47:31,528 --> 01:47:32,613
It was, uh...
1552
01:47:35,783 --> 01:47:38,452
Make... Make sure that,
uh, Jerry knows that...
1553
01:47:39,787 --> 01:47:41,330
I... I have to go.
1554
01:47:42,206 --> 01:47:43,707
- Mrs. Bilott?
- Yes.
1555
01:47:43,791 --> 01:47:47,002
We think your husband's
most likely experienced a TIA.
1556
01:47:47,086 --> 01:47:49,296
A transient ischemic attack.
1557
01:47:49,380 --> 01:47:53,801
Blood is briefly cut off to the brain,
mimicking the symptoms of a stroke.
1558
01:47:55,302 --> 01:47:59,306
Uh, excuse me. A TIA?
This wasn't short.
1559
01:47:59,515 --> 01:48:01,892
It... It kept going on.
1560
01:48:01,976 --> 01:48:03,310
What about poison?
1561
01:48:03,936 --> 01:48:05,270
I'm sorry?
1562
01:48:05,771 --> 01:48:08,023
Could someone
be poisoning him?
1563
01:48:08,107 --> 01:48:11,443
No, Mrs. Bilott.
This is neurological.
1564
01:48:12,111 --> 01:48:13,737
You just said
it wasn't a stroke.
1565
01:48:13,821 --> 01:48:15,614
Well, not this time.
1566
01:48:15,698 --> 01:48:17,241
- What does that mean?
- Well, it means that
1567
01:48:17,366 --> 01:48:19,368
- he needs to never miss his medication.
- Mmm-hmm.
1568
01:48:19,451 --> 01:48:22,621
And needs to reduce all
sources of stress in his life.
1569
01:48:22,955 --> 01:48:25,290
He's under
enormous pressure at work.
1570
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,211
Well, that needs to change.
But he's a young man.
1571
01:48:29,294 --> 01:48:30,671
He shouldn't be
having these incidences.
1572
01:48:32,381 --> 01:48:34,341
He's sedated, but
you can see him.
1573
01:48:34,466 --> 01:48:37,720
- I'll check in on him tomorrow.
- Thank you. Thank you.
1574
01:48:45,310 --> 01:48:47,896
I'll give you
some privacy.
1575
01:48:49,773 --> 01:48:52,651
Anything you
need, call me.
1576
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:58,741
I need you to stop making
him feel like a failure.
1577
01:49:05,205 --> 01:49:09,084
I appreciate the stress that your
family must be going through.
1578
01:49:09,168 --> 01:49:12,629
Please don't talk to
me like I'm the wife.
1579
01:49:16,383 --> 01:49:19,595
Did Rob ever tell you about
moving around as a kid?
1580
01:49:20,387 --> 01:49:21,930
I...
1581
01:49:22,014 --> 01:49:24,725
Ten times before
senior year.
1582
01:49:24,808 --> 01:49:26,852
No friends,
no ties, no...
1583
01:49:26,935 --> 01:49:29,480
Just him, his sister,
his folks.
1584
01:49:31,565 --> 01:49:33,817
Then I came along and
you came along and...
1585
01:49:36,278 --> 01:49:38,489
Taft, it's not
just a job.
1586
01:49:38,572 --> 01:49:41,492
To him it's...
It's home.
1587
01:49:45,245 --> 01:49:47,790
And he was willing
to risk all that
1588
01:49:48,082 --> 01:49:50,626
for a stranger who
needed his help.
1589
01:49:52,127 --> 01:49:57,132
Now, you and I may
not know what that is,
1590
01:49:59,343 --> 01:50:01,261
but it's not failure.
1591
01:50:35,587 --> 01:50:39,842
Lord, you have
searched my heart
1592
01:50:40,259 --> 01:50:45,264
And you
know when I sit and when I stand
1593
01:50:45,764 --> 01:50:48,976
Your hand is upon me
1594
01:50:49,059 --> 01:50:52,521
Protecting me from death
1595
01:50:52,688 --> 01:50:57,818
Keeping me from harm
1596
01:50:59,736 --> 01:51:05,909
Oh, Lord, I know
you are near
1597
01:51:10,330 --> 01:51:15,252
Standing always at
1598
01:51:15,335 --> 01:51:18,505
My side
1599
01:51:45,741 --> 01:51:48,035
Hey, do you
know the score?
1600
01:51:49,328 --> 01:51:53,040
The game? Sorry,
my radio's busted.
1601
01:51:54,666 --> 01:51:55,959
Sorry.
1602
01:51:56,251 --> 01:51:58,212
Don't worry about it.
It'll be a surprise.
1603
01:51:58,503 --> 01:52:00,172
Bucky, come on.
We'll be late.
1604
01:52:02,007 --> 01:52:03,050
Have a good one.
1605
01:53:45,527 --> 01:53:47,863
Hey,
Rob, Bill Leary. We haven't met.
1606
01:53:48,363 --> 01:53:50,115
I'm the new comptroller
out of Indianapolis.
1607
01:53:50,449 --> 01:53:53,744
Listen, we need to talk about these
unbilled hours and these unreimbursed...
1608
01:54:10,427 --> 01:54:12,888
- Hello?
- Mr. Bilott?
1609
01:54:13,513 --> 01:54:14,681
Yes?
1610
01:54:14,765 --> 01:54:17,934
I guess I should start
by apologizing for taking...
1611
01:54:18,352 --> 01:54:20,604
well, seven years to call you.
1612
01:54:20,687 --> 01:54:22,689
- Who is this?
- Oh, yes, of course.
1613
01:54:22,814 --> 01:54:26,568
- It's Dr. Karen Frank from the...
- Science Panel?
1614
01:54:27,944 --> 01:54:31,740
Again, I'm so sorry to have kept
you waiting this long, Mr. Bilott.
1615
01:54:32,115 --> 01:54:34,868
- But there was just so much data...
- Please, Doctor, please,
1616
01:54:35,202 --> 01:54:36,203
can you...
1617
01:54:36,286 --> 01:54:38,497
Would just please
tell me what's happened?
1618
01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,291
What's happening?
What you've found out?
1619
01:54:41,375 --> 01:54:44,711
Yes. You gave us an
unprecedented amount of data.
1620
01:54:45,295 --> 01:54:48,298
The largest epidemiological
study in human history.
1621
01:54:49,049 --> 01:54:53,136
It's irrefutable.
We have linked sustained exposure to C-8
1622
01:54:53,220 --> 01:54:56,765
to six categories of
serious illness.
1623
01:55:01,645 --> 01:55:04,815
Kidney cancer,
testicular cancer...
1624
01:55:05,399 --> 01:55:08,151
thyroid disease,
preeclampsia...
1625
01:55:08,235 --> 01:55:10,987
high cholesterol,
ulcerative colitis.
1626
01:55:12,322 --> 01:55:16,118
3,635 people in the Class
already have these diseases.
1627
01:55:17,035 --> 01:55:18,829
Many more will
develop them.
1628
01:55:20,831 --> 01:55:24,167
Thanks to you the entire
Class will be monitored...
1629
01:55:24,251 --> 01:55:27,546
and those who get sick
can seek restitution.
1630
01:55:29,297 --> 01:55:32,801
You did a good thing here,
Mr. Bilott. You did good.
1631
01:55:35,512 --> 01:55:37,097
Thank you.
1632
01:57:30,126 --> 01:57:33,547
Rob? What happened?
1633
01:57:38,009 --> 01:57:39,469
Rob?
1634
01:57:41,721 --> 01:57:43,473
DuPont, they're
reneging.
1635
01:57:45,809 --> 01:57:48,103
- Which part?
- All of it.
1636
01:57:49,104 --> 01:57:50,647
They're tearing up
our agreement.
1637
01:57:51,022 --> 01:57:52,566
Rejecting the
Science Panel.
1638
01:57:52,649 --> 01:57:55,986
They're gonna fight
every claim in court.
1639
01:57:56,069 --> 01:57:59,573
Thousands of claims.
People, sick people, they'll give up.
1640
01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:01,575
They can't
fight DuPont!
1641
01:58:02,033 --> 01:58:04,786
How can they
go back on...
1642
01:58:04,911 --> 01:58:06,997
- Sarah.
- They can't go back on everything.
1643
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,373
They're a titan
of industry.
1644
01:58:08,456 --> 01:58:09,708
They can do whatever
the hell they want.
1645
01:58:09,791 --> 01:58:10,959
Nothing else matters.
1646
01:58:11,042 --> 01:58:12,586
They can fight
you all they want.
1647
01:58:12,669 --> 01:58:14,337
It doesn't take away
from what you've done!
1648
01:58:14,421 --> 01:58:17,674
Of course, it does.
That's exactly what it does!
1649
01:58:19,217 --> 01:58:21,344
They want to show the world
that it's no use fighting.
1650
01:58:21,428 --> 01:58:24,222
Look, everybody,
even he can't crack the maze
1651
01:58:24,306 --> 01:58:25,473
and he's helped
build it!
1652
01:58:26,474 --> 01:58:28,351
The system is rigged!
1653
01:58:29,644 --> 01:58:31,521
They want us to think
it'll protect us,
1654
01:58:31,605 --> 01:58:32,689
but that's a lie.
1655
01:58:32,772 --> 01:58:34,691
We protect us. We do.
1656
01:58:34,941 --> 01:58:36,067
Nobody else.
1657
01:58:37,986 --> 01:58:40,697
Not the companies.
Not the scientists.
1658
01:58:40,780 --> 01:58:42,532
Not the government. Us.
1659
01:58:45,994 --> 01:58:49,164
A farmer with a 12th grade
education told me that.
1660
01:58:51,458 --> 01:58:55,837
On day one, he knew
and I thought he was crazy.
1661
01:59:03,178 --> 01:59:04,804
Isn't that crazy?
1662
01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:11,102
No.
1663
02:00:16,668 --> 02:00:18,294
All rise.
1664
02:00:18,503 --> 02:00:19,921
The honorable Timothy Burg...
1665
02:00:20,004 --> 02:00:23,466
United States District Judge for the
Southern District of Ohio presiding.
1666
02:00:23,550 --> 02:00:26,136
This court is now in session
pursuant to the adjournment.
1667
02:00:26,219 --> 02:00:27,929
Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye.
1668
02:00:28,012 --> 02:00:30,390
All persons having business
with this honorable court
1669
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:33,518
draw near, give their attention
and they shall be heard.
1670
02:00:33,601 --> 02:00:36,354
God save the United States
and this honorable court.
1671
02:00:36,438 --> 02:00:38,022
Please be seated.
1672
02:00:38,106 --> 02:00:40,525
And we're here this
morning for a jury trial.
1673
02:00:41,151 --> 02:00:45,613
So, 3,535 claims.
1674
02:00:46,156 --> 02:00:48,408
At a rate of four
or five cases a year,
1675
02:00:48,491 --> 02:00:50,493
we can all expect
to be here till...
1676
02:00:51,578 --> 02:00:54,706
Well, the year 2890.
If we're lucky.
1677
02:00:55,582 --> 02:00:56,875
Guess we'd better
get started.
1678
02:00:57,542 --> 02:00:59,461
Mrs. Johnson, is your
attorney present?
1679
02:01:00,754 --> 02:01:01,755
Good morning, Your Honor.
1680
02:01:01,838 --> 02:01:03,047
Rob Bilott for the plaintiff.
1681
02:01:03,798 --> 02:01:05,884
Oh, still here, huh?
1682
02:01:06,843 --> 02:01:07,844
Still here.
1683
02:02:04,903 --> 02:02:09,903
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