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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,001 --> 00:00:03,852 This whole series of events 2 00:00:03,853 --> 00:00:07,092 began with a deliberate decision by a senior officer 3 00:00:07,093 --> 00:00:08,932 to breach the PACE code. 4 00:00:08,933 --> 00:00:10,252 Do you want another one? 5 00:00:10,253 --> 00:00:11,812 Another one? 6 00:00:11,813 --> 00:00:16,697 What resulted was not admissible evidence in a criminal trial. 7 00:00:16,732 --> 00:00:19,839 We should still be OK with the case against him for Sian. 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,252 We have the DNA evidence. 9 00:00:21,253 --> 00:00:23,452 Her blood in his car, his DNA on her body. 10 00:00:23,453 --> 00:00:24,736 What about Becky? 11 00:00:24,737 --> 00:00:27,252 The confession evidence is all we had. 12 00:00:27,253 --> 00:00:29,092 And, er, I'm afraid, without that, 13 00:00:29,093 --> 00:00:31,292 we'll have to take her name off the indictment. 14 00:00:31,293 --> 00:00:33,730 Well, this is Fulcher's fault! 15 00:00:33,731 --> 00:00:35,550 Usual deal. None of what we talk about 16 00:00:35,551 --> 00:00:37,292 can be used by ITV until after the verdict. 17 00:00:37,293 --> 00:00:39,252 Yeah, agreed. 18 00:00:39,253 --> 00:00:41,252 Well, he's a serial killer, Rob. 19 00:00:41,253 --> 00:00:42,667 I am convinced of it. 20 00:00:42,702 --> 00:00:47,040 His big hero was that Myra Hindley off the Moors Murders. 21 00:00:47,041 --> 00:00:50,092 I want to make a complaint about one of your police officers. 22 00:00:50,093 --> 00:00:51,252 Well, it's a complaint, Steve. 23 00:00:51,253 --> 00:00:53,252 We'll have to decide whether it constitutes 24 00:00:53,253 --> 00:00:55,059 just misconduct or gross misconduct. 25 00:00:55,060 --> 00:00:57,612 Really? - He said they were gunning for him. 26 00:00:57,613 --> 00:01:00,252 He felt abandoned by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift. 27 00:01:00,253 --> 00:01:02,252 But where is Becky in the pecking order? 28 00:01:02,253 --> 00:01:03,958 Right down at the bottom, where she's always been. 29 00:01:03,993 --> 00:01:06,632 So you go back and you tell your bosses, no, I am not satisfied. 30 00:01:06,633 --> 00:01:07,992 Not at all. 31 00:01:07,993 --> 00:01:08,993 I had a word with Mike. 32 00:01:08,994 --> 00:01:11,992 Unfortunately, he's already referred it to the IPCC. 33 00:01:11,993 --> 00:01:13,992 They're going to charge you. 34 00:01:13,993 --> 00:01:15,993 Gross misconduct. 35 00:01:32,993 --> 00:01:35,993 Happy anniversary! - Oh... 36 00:01:36,993 --> 00:01:38,992 Thank you very much. - Happy anniversary, Mum. 37 00:01:38,993 --> 00:01:40,193 Happy anniversary, Dad. 38 00:01:40,746 --> 00:01:42,746 Oh, that's lovely! 39 00:01:43,993 --> 00:01:45,992 Oh, thank you. That's beautiful. 40 00:01:45,993 --> 00:01:48,832 They helped me choose it. Didn't you? - Just a little bit. 41 00:01:48,833 --> 00:01:50,993 Thank you. - Thank you. 42 00:01:53,162 --> 00:01:54,322 Ah-ha! 43 00:01:54,347 --> 00:01:56,347 I've always wanted... 44 00:01:56,993 --> 00:01:59,992 It's got a little red light that flashes if you're too stressed 45 00:01:59,993 --> 00:02:02,992 and you press it too hard. - Do you think I'm stressed? 46 00:02:02,993 --> 00:02:05,992 Mm, maybe... - And I thought I was hiding it. 47 00:02:07,033 --> 00:02:09,992 Maybe a little bit. - Keep out of it, you. 48 00:02:09,993 --> 00:02:13,260 The card's from all three of us. - Thank you very much. 49 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:21,992 We're behind you. - Thank you. 50 00:02:21,993 --> 00:02:24,740 Happy anniversary. - Mm-hm. 51 00:02:25,993 --> 00:02:27,340 That helps me a lot, I'll tell you. 52 00:02:28,619 --> 00:02:30,619 We have statements from prostitutes 53 00:02:30,644 --> 00:02:34,212 putting Halliwell with Becky in the lead-up to the murder. 54 00:02:34,237 --> 00:02:36,183 We have the guy he shared a cell with 55 00:02:36,208 --> 00:02:39,201 saying that he liked to strangle women during sex. 56 00:02:39,202 --> 00:02:40,295 It's all there. 57 00:02:40,296 --> 00:02:42,832 Eight murders, he told his mate on the phone. 58 00:02:42,833 --> 00:02:44,672 Now, we know about two. 59 00:02:44,673 --> 00:02:46,464 Who's out there looking for the other six? 60 00:02:46,465 --> 00:02:49,700 It's not me. I'm sat on my arse on restricted duties. 61 00:02:50,993 --> 00:02:53,992 Have they, er, set a date for your disciplinary hearing? 62 00:02:53,993 --> 00:02:55,833 Before the end of the year. 63 00:02:57,420 --> 00:02:58,993 Meanwhile, I'm in total... 64 00:02:59,993 --> 00:03:01,620 ...limbo. 65 00:03:01,993 --> 00:03:03,993 No case, no team. 66 00:03:04,993 --> 00:03:06,832 The knives are out for me, too. 67 00:03:06,833 --> 00:03:08,992 What? - Mike Veale suddenly announced to me 68 00:03:08,993 --> 00:03:10,992 that he didn't need me as a staff officer any more. 69 00:03:10,993 --> 00:03:12,749 He thought I'd resign. 70 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:13,992 I refused to. 71 00:03:13,993 --> 00:03:17,992 Then I find this week that he's appointed a new staff officer. 72 00:03:17,993 --> 00:03:19,512 It's a joke. 73 00:03:19,513 --> 00:03:22,300 I mean, this is my problem. They can't go after you, too. 74 00:03:24,380 --> 00:03:26,992 I'm going to have this out with them. 75 00:03:26,993 --> 00:03:28,940 Steve, don't. Steve... 76 00:03:29,353 --> 00:03:32,012 Pat, can I have a quick word? - Steve... 77 00:03:32,013 --> 00:03:33,672 Listen, I know there's a lot of flak flying around, 78 00:03:33,673 --> 00:03:34,992 but it's not fair to... 79 00:03:34,993 --> 00:03:36,992 What's wrong with your phone? I've been trying to call you. 80 00:03:36,993 --> 00:03:39,304 I had it on charge. - Mike Veale wants to see you. 81 00:03:39,305 --> 00:03:40,550 OK. 82 00:03:40,551 --> 00:03:42,260 I'll tell him you're on your way. 83 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,200 25 years Halliwell got. - That's Karen. 84 00:03:47,056 --> 00:03:50,200 He'll get out, so he'll have plenty of his life in front of him. 85 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,199 I feel for her, of course I do. But... 86 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,199 Fulcher broke the law. 87 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,200 You know that. 88 00:03:56,201 --> 00:03:59,199 I don't really know what I think any more, to be honest. 89 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,879 I know I'd rather not get into this right here and now with Karen. 90 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,701 I'll sign. - Oh, thank you. 91 00:04:04,726 --> 00:04:06,406 Thank you very much. 92 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,199 You're actually the first. That's... It's all my family there. 93 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,200 That's... That's me at the top. 94 00:04:15,033 --> 00:04:16,220 Thank you. 95 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,540 25 years... 96 00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:28,780 ...Halliwell got. And he'll get out. 97 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,199 Mike wanted to see me? 98 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,400 Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute. 99 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Mike will see you now. 100 00:04:48,886 --> 00:04:49,886 Thank you. 101 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,719 Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down. 102 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,200 Mike. Kier. - Steve. 103 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,399 I asked DCS Pritchard to be here this morning 104 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,400 to make a note of everything. 105 00:05:03,580 --> 00:05:06,199 Now, I have to tell you, Steve, that I am suspending you from duty 106 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,040 with immediate effect. 107 00:05:08,660 --> 00:05:10,199 It's been brought to my attention 108 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,719 that you had an unauthorised meeting with a member of the press, 109 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,879 the ITV journalist Rob Murphy, 110 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,199 during which you discussed Operation Mayan. 111 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,200 This is a meeting that you were expressly forbidden to attend. 112 00:05:21,776 --> 00:05:25,199 An officer from a neighbouring force happened to be in the pub that night 113 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,199 and witnessed the meeting and reported it to Kier. 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,199 Well, as you know, Steve, I expressly told you 115 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,420 you're not to do any interviews with journalists. 116 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:37,620 I don't recall any conversation along those lines, Kier. 117 00:05:38,420 --> 00:05:40,199 I mentioned it at one of the routines recently. 118 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,200 Mm-hm. 119 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:44,199 Now, I consider this matter to be serious enough 120 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,200 to warrant immediate suspension. 121 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,540 Do you have anything to say? - No, I don't. 122 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,200 Very well, could you please give me your pass and warrant card? 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,199 You will now be escorted from the premises by Tom, 124 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,584 who's waiting for you outside. 125 00:06:08,585 --> 00:06:09,930 He'll accompany you to your house 126 00:06:09,931 --> 00:06:12,039 to recover any force documents or property. 127 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,199 Do you understand what I've said to you? 128 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,200 I do. 129 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,559 I'll ask you again if you have anything to say. 130 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,200 I don't. 131 00:06:21,946 --> 00:06:23,946 Fine. That's everything. 132 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,199 Er, I'll take the phone. 133 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,200 Can I at least call my wife? - I'm afraid not. 134 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,200 Oh, could I have that, please, sir? 135 00:07:22,592 --> 00:07:23,592 Are you coming in? 136 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Oh, it's Steve. 137 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,199 Maughan and Ned are here. 138 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,879 Er, where's the laptop, please? - What's going on? 139 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,199 It's in the kitchen on the dining table. 140 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,323 Would you accompany me in there, please? 141 00:07:50,348 --> 00:07:52,154 Steve...? - I've been suspended. 142 00:07:52,155 --> 00:07:54,880 What?! My mum and dad are in there. Can I get it for you? 143 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,200 I'm sorry. 144 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,039 Hi, folks. Hello. 145 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,200 Hi, Steve. - Hello. 146 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,199 Is this it? - Yes. 147 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,700 Everything all right? - Yes, it's a work thing. 148 00:08:25,252 --> 00:08:27,731 And she was going round all of the toilets in the school 149 00:08:27,732 --> 00:08:29,931 and she slid under all the doors, locked them, 150 00:08:29,932 --> 00:08:32,731 and then slid back out again so that all the doors, 151 00:08:32,732 --> 00:08:34,731 all the toilets in the whole school were locked. 152 00:08:34,732 --> 00:08:36,091 How stupid. - Mm, goodness. 153 00:08:36,092 --> 00:08:38,411 I mean, it's kind of silly for her to get expelled, 154 00:08:38,412 --> 00:08:40,521 because she's a good student, she's got good grades. 155 00:08:40,522 --> 00:08:42,649 It's not that big a deal, it's just a joke. 156 00:08:42,674 --> 00:08:43,834 Just cos she's your friend. 157 00:08:43,835 --> 00:08:46,594 Do you remember Amelia who was here last week? 158 00:08:46,595 --> 00:08:48,819 Oh, yeah. - You know, the really bitchy one. 159 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:50,753 She's not really bitchy. - Yes, she is. 160 00:08:50,754 --> 00:08:53,235 She's not that bad. But she's started to... 161 00:09:00,068 --> 00:09:01,548 Don't worry. 162 00:09:08,990 --> 00:09:10,234 Er, would you like to come through? 163 00:09:10,235 --> 00:09:11,755 Thank you. 164 00:09:13,728 --> 00:09:15,728 Thank you for coming to see me, Mrs Edwards. 165 00:09:16,235 --> 00:09:19,234 The IPCC is an independent body 166 00:09:19,235 --> 00:09:23,234 that's been set up to examine complaints against the police. 167 00:09:23,235 --> 00:09:27,234 I've asked you to come and see me today to discuss a complaint 168 00:09:27,235 --> 00:09:30,754 that has been made against the officer leading the investigation 169 00:09:30,755 --> 00:09:32,914 into the murder of your daughter Rebecca. 170 00:09:32,915 --> 00:09:35,003 Against Steve Fulcher? 171 00:09:35,038 --> 00:09:38,037 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, that's correct. 172 00:09:38,038 --> 00:09:41,037 I wanted to know if you wanted to add your name 173 00:09:41,038 --> 00:09:42,300 to the complaint against him. 174 00:09:44,038 --> 00:09:46,398 Who's made this complaint? 175 00:09:46,780 --> 00:09:49,037 Rebecca's father, John Godden. 176 00:09:49,038 --> 00:09:51,037 You're joking! John?! 177 00:09:51,038 --> 00:09:53,037 Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's... 178 00:09:53,038 --> 00:09:54,420 Have you met John Godden? 179 00:09:55,340 --> 00:09:57,037 All complaints about the police 180 00:09:57,038 --> 00:09:59,539 must be dealt with without prejudice. 181 00:09:59,564 --> 00:10:02,717 And it has been deemed that the points Mr Godden has raised 182 00:10:02,718 --> 00:10:05,037 are serious enough to warrant an investigation. 183 00:10:05,038 --> 00:10:08,037 Specifically, Detective Superintendent Fulcher's failure 184 00:10:08,038 --> 00:10:10,286 to apply the rules of PACE 185 00:10:10,287 --> 00:10:13,829 to his interview with the chief suspect Christopher Halliwell 186 00:10:13,830 --> 00:10:16,262 and prevented justice for his daughter. 187 00:10:16,263 --> 00:10:19,717 But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher we'd never have found our daughter. 188 00:10:19,718 --> 00:10:21,288 So, how does he work that one out? 189 00:10:21,289 --> 00:10:24,037 So, you don't agree with your ex-husband's view 190 00:10:24,038 --> 00:10:26,690 about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's conduct? 191 00:10:26,691 --> 00:10:28,497 No. We bloody don't. 192 00:10:28,498 --> 00:10:31,037 If Mrs Edwards could answer the question, please. 193 00:10:31,038 --> 00:10:32,634 No, I bloody well don't! 194 00:10:32,635 --> 00:10:34,037 We've got to help him, Charlie. 195 00:10:34,038 --> 00:10:36,037 We can't leave him to be thrown to the wolves. 196 00:10:36,038 --> 00:10:37,038 You know, I'm sure it suits them 197 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:38,724 to make out he's the one that messed up. 198 00:10:38,725 --> 00:10:40,664 You know, "It's not us, it's him." 199 00:10:40,665 --> 00:10:43,037 But you can't take on everyone, Karen. 200 00:10:43,038 --> 00:10:44,557 So, they're after Steve's blood. 201 00:10:44,558 --> 00:10:46,709 But the man who murdered Becky has got away with it. 202 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:49,038 How do you work that one out? - Come on, love, get in. 203 00:10:51,231 --> 00:10:54,231 No, justice for Steve is justice for Becky. 204 00:11:08,558 --> 00:11:10,506 It's only a bloody can of Coke. 205 00:11:10,507 --> 00:11:12,038 He just had to ask first. 206 00:11:12,580 --> 00:11:16,038 And I have told him that time and time again. 207 00:11:19,038 --> 00:11:21,534 He has no male role model in his life. 208 00:11:21,535 --> 00:11:24,340 Mick only sees him every other weekend. 209 00:11:25,038 --> 00:11:29,037 To all intents and purposes, I'm his father now. 210 00:11:29,038 --> 00:11:31,037 Let me in, Elaine. 211 00:11:31,038 --> 00:11:32,329 I want to help. 212 00:11:40,038 --> 00:11:42,037 Lauren! 213 00:11:42,038 --> 00:11:45,037 I was just passing. - Come in. It's so lovely to see you. 214 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:46,038 Come in. 215 00:11:50,718 --> 00:11:54,038 Are you going to come and say hello? - I'm all right in here. 216 00:11:55,978 --> 00:11:57,978 Elaine... This is my daughter. 217 00:11:58,260 --> 00:12:01,037 We don't get on, Pete. - Yeah, I know. 218 00:12:01,038 --> 00:12:03,038 But can't you just be the bigger person? 219 00:12:09,038 --> 00:12:11,300 Come on, love, let's go through. 220 00:12:21,631 --> 00:12:23,151 Hello? 221 00:12:24,038 --> 00:12:25,440 Of course. 222 00:12:25,441 --> 00:12:27,038 OK, he's ready to see you now. 223 00:12:27,420 --> 00:12:29,037 Thank you very much. 224 00:12:29,038 --> 00:12:31,037 This is a great pleasure to meet you, Mr Edwards. 225 00:12:31,038 --> 00:12:32,038 Charlie. - Please... 226 00:12:32,039 --> 00:12:34,037 Thank you very much for seeing us, Mr Buckland. 227 00:12:34,038 --> 00:12:36,037 Not at all. - I know you must be very busy. 228 00:12:36,038 --> 00:12:38,218 You've got all the documents I sent you. 229 00:12:38,219 --> 00:12:40,037 Mm. - I feel very passionate about this. 230 00:12:40,038 --> 00:12:42,717 Halliwell must be prosecuted for the murder of my daughter. 231 00:12:42,718 --> 00:12:45,397 Not just so Becky gets justice, but cos the police officer involved, 232 00:12:45,398 --> 00:12:48,531 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, because it's not fair 233 00:12:48,532 --> 00:12:50,537 that he should be facing losing his career over this 234 00:12:50,538 --> 00:12:53,037 when all he did was try to save... - Karen, not all at once. 235 00:12:53,038 --> 00:12:55,038 You're bombarding the man. 236 00:12:56,038 --> 00:12:57,717 Sorry. It's just, once I start, I... 237 00:12:57,718 --> 00:12:59,420 ...I find it hard to stop. 238 00:13:00,891 --> 00:13:03,891 But what I wanted to say, and I know you're a lawyer yourself, 239 00:13:04,340 --> 00:13:07,038 is I think there's a grey area here with PACE. 240 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:09,038 I agree. 241 00:13:10,038 --> 00:13:11,580 You agree? 242 00:13:12,038 --> 00:13:13,038 Yes. 243 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:15,420 Yeah, I think PACE does need to be looked at. 244 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:17,717 So... 245 00:13:17,718 --> 00:13:19,037 ...can you help us? 246 00:13:19,038 --> 00:13:21,037 You've started a petition? 247 00:13:21,038 --> 00:13:24,037 Yes, we've got over 7.000 signatures so far. 248 00:13:24,038 --> 00:13:27,037 Right, you need to get that number up as high as you possibly can. 249 00:13:27,038 --> 00:13:28,038 If I'm to lobby the Government, 250 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:30,037 the higher the number, the more they'll take notice. 251 00:13:30,038 --> 00:13:33,037 And you also need to keep on doing your radio and TV interviews 252 00:13:33,038 --> 00:13:34,580 whenever you get the chance. 253 00:13:35,078 --> 00:13:38,037 You see, the more the campaign features in the press, 254 00:13:38,038 --> 00:13:40,133 the likelihood increases that the Government 255 00:13:40,134 --> 00:13:43,037 could ask Wiltshire Police Service some awkward questions. 256 00:13:43,038 --> 00:13:45,037 Oh, right. 257 00:13:45,038 --> 00:13:46,557 You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards, 258 00:13:46,558 --> 00:13:49,037 and make people aware of PACE's limitations. 259 00:13:49,038 --> 00:13:51,078 But to answer your question simply, then... 260 00:13:51,580 --> 00:13:54,180 ...yes, I'd like to try and help you. 261 00:13:55,180 --> 00:13:58,860 Oh, thank you! Thank you very much, Mr Buckland! 262 00:14:03,038 --> 00:14:05,037 Hey. - Hi! 263 00:14:05,038 --> 00:14:06,620 Hi, how are you doing? 264 00:14:08,038 --> 00:14:09,038 Nice to see you. 265 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:11,037 Can I get you a drink? 266 00:14:11,038 --> 00:14:13,037 Erm, red wine. - Mm-hm. 267 00:14:13,038 --> 00:14:14,038 Thank you. 268 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:16,037 They've sent a file off to the Crown Prosecution Service 269 00:14:16,038 --> 00:14:18,037 for a criminal prosecution against you. 270 00:14:18,038 --> 00:14:20,037 Criminal? What for? 271 00:14:20,038 --> 00:14:21,461 Malfeasance in a public office. 272 00:14:21,462 --> 00:14:22,643 Malfeasance?! 273 00:14:22,668 --> 00:14:24,037 They want to put him in prison now? 274 00:14:24,038 --> 00:14:26,424 Malfeasance is about abuse of office. 275 00:14:26,425 --> 00:14:28,394 Trying to find Sian alive 276 00:14:28,395 --> 00:14:31,038 and trying to recover the body of a missing girl isn't malfeasance. 277 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:34,037 I mean, if that's the case, who is the victim? 278 00:14:34,038 --> 00:14:36,037 Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell. 279 00:14:36,038 --> 00:14:39,037 The prosecution case would have to be that, but for my actions, 280 00:14:39,038 --> 00:14:41,037 poor old Christopher Halliwell would be a free man. 281 00:14:41,038 --> 00:14:44,557 Well, the CPS threw it out. But it shows you their mind-set. 282 00:14:44,558 --> 00:14:46,093 Seems they want to get you for something. 283 00:14:46,118 --> 00:14:47,338 I'm going to the loo. 284 00:14:47,339 --> 00:14:49,038 I may well throw up. 285 00:14:53,580 --> 00:14:55,878 This is driving her mad. 286 00:14:57,038 --> 00:14:58,878 She wants me to resign. 287 00:14:59,878 --> 00:15:03,037 And do what? I've been a detective for more than 20 years. 288 00:15:03,038 --> 00:15:04,877 Please, don't jump yet, Steve. 289 00:15:04,878 --> 00:15:06,621 At least wait until you see a lawyer 290 00:15:06,622 --> 00:15:08,327 about your defence for the disciplinary hearing. 291 00:15:08,328 --> 00:15:11,037 Hear what he has to say. I can't believe they won't exonerate you 292 00:15:11,038 --> 00:15:13,037 once they hear the evidence. - Mm-hm. 293 00:15:13,038 --> 00:15:15,397 What's happening to you is horrible and unfair. 294 00:15:15,398 --> 00:15:17,038 But you mustn't give in. 295 00:15:17,724 --> 00:15:20,724 I'm not an expert and I've never done anything like this before. 296 00:15:21,038 --> 00:15:24,037 And I've discovered I actually hate the sound of my own voice. 297 00:15:26,038 --> 00:15:28,580 But I am a mother who has lost her daughter. 298 00:15:29,398 --> 00:15:32,220 And I feel that gives me the right to speak my mind. 299 00:15:33,038 --> 00:15:36,700 Because I am absolutely raging about this inside. 300 00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:39,917 My daughter had her problems. 301 00:15:39,918 --> 00:15:42,717 But that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve justice. 302 00:15:42,718 --> 00:15:46,480 That doesn't mean we should treat her any differently to anybody else 303 00:15:46,481 --> 00:15:49,038 who's had their life snatched away from them. 304 00:15:50,038 --> 00:15:55,037 I'm asking the Government to urgently review Code C of PACE, 305 00:15:55,038 --> 00:15:59,037 which covers the detention, treatment and questioning 306 00:15:59,038 --> 00:16:01,038 of suspects by police officers. 307 00:16:02,038 --> 00:16:06,037 PACE is nearly 30 years old and it was brought in because of concerns 308 00:16:06,038 --> 00:16:08,762 over the way the police were behaving with people in custody. 309 00:16:08,763 --> 00:16:10,660 Which I understand. 310 00:16:11,038 --> 00:16:13,037 But what Steve Fulcher faced 311 00:16:13,038 --> 00:16:15,237 were a very, very unusual set of circumstances. 312 00:16:15,238 --> 00:16:18,717 And I feel there should be more flexibility 313 00:16:18,718 --> 00:16:22,180 when police officers arrest people in situations like that. 314 00:16:23,380 --> 00:16:26,037 Because I don't want anybody else to suffer 315 00:16:26,038 --> 00:16:28,038 what we have been through as a family. 316 00:16:29,951 --> 00:16:31,951 Thank you. Thank you very much. 317 00:16:48,038 --> 00:16:49,077 I love you. - I love you, too. 318 00:16:49,078 --> 00:16:50,238 See you soon. 319 00:17:00,038 --> 00:17:02,037 Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it? I'm Yvonne. 320 00:17:02,038 --> 00:17:04,037 Steve's wife. I just want to say hello. 321 00:17:04,038 --> 00:17:06,037 Oh, how lovely to meet you. 322 00:17:06,038 --> 00:17:08,037 This is my husband Charlie. 323 00:17:08,038 --> 00:17:10,037 I am so sorry Steve's having to go through this. 324 00:17:10,038 --> 00:17:12,517 In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace 325 00:17:12,518 --> 00:17:15,037 and please don't think we had anything to do with it. 326 00:17:15,038 --> 00:17:17,037 This is all down to him. And when I heard he'd made a complaint, 327 00:17:17,038 --> 00:17:19,037 after all Steve has done for us, 328 00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:21,037 I could have wrung his neck. 329 00:17:21,038 --> 00:17:23,420 Nice to meet you. Erm, I was going to go outside. 330 00:17:23,421 --> 00:17:25,877 I'm not allowed to stay in here. - Oh, that's ridiculous. 331 00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:28,037 Don't you worry, love. We'll look after him. 332 00:17:28,038 --> 00:17:29,038 Thanks. 333 00:17:34,038 --> 00:17:35,556 Good morning, everyone. 334 00:17:35,557 --> 00:17:38,037 I am Chief Constable Andy Parker from Warwickshire Police 335 00:17:38,038 --> 00:17:39,629 and I'll be chairing this hearing. 336 00:17:39,630 --> 00:17:42,037 There are some of you that I haven't met before. 337 00:17:42,038 --> 00:17:44,237 I wonder if we can begin by you telling us your names? 338 00:17:44,238 --> 00:17:47,037 Anna Proctor, IPCC. 339 00:17:47,038 --> 00:17:48,038 Thank you. 340 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:50,878 The gentleman at the back? - Er... 341 00:17:51,611 --> 00:17:53,931 My name is John Godden. 342 00:17:53,956 --> 00:17:55,956 Father of Rebecca Godden. 343 00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:01,140 David Godden, John's brother. 344 00:18:02,951 --> 00:18:05,951 Karen Edwards, mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards. 345 00:18:05,976 --> 00:18:08,683 Could you just hang on a minute, cos I...? 346 00:18:08,708 --> 00:18:10,041 I think I'm on the wrong side here. 347 00:18:10,078 --> 00:18:12,606 Cos I don't want to be associated with this lot. 348 00:18:12,607 --> 00:18:14,659 Because we're here to support Steve Fulcher. 349 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:16,718 So, were going to... Come on, Charlie. 350 00:18:18,391 --> 00:18:19,391 Thank you. 351 00:18:22,038 --> 00:18:24,260 Thank you. Carry on. 352 00:18:29,038 --> 00:18:31,037 The first allegation concerns a complaint 353 00:18:31,038 --> 00:18:33,037 brought against you by Mr Godden. 354 00:18:33,038 --> 00:18:35,037 It is alleged that your behaviour, 355 00:18:35,038 --> 00:18:38,536 when dealing with Mr Halliwell on 24th March, 2011, 356 00:18:38,537 --> 00:18:41,429 fell below the standards of professional behaviour 357 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:44,038 required of an officer of your standing. 358 00:18:45,391 --> 00:18:47,391 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 359 00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:50,078 I deny the allegation. 360 00:18:50,660 --> 00:18:52,037 Allegation two. 361 00:18:52,038 --> 00:18:55,037 It is alleged by your employer, Wiltshire Police, 362 00:18:55,038 --> 00:18:58,078 that, by having inappropriate contact with the media, 363 00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:02,037 your conduct again fell below the same standards. 364 00:19:02,038 --> 00:19:04,037 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 365 00:19:04,038 --> 00:19:05,557 I deny the allegation. 366 00:19:05,558 --> 00:19:09,037 The provisions of PACE are quite clear, Mr Fulcher. 367 00:19:09,038 --> 00:19:11,204 I mean, they're there to protect the rights of all of us. 368 00:19:11,205 --> 00:19:13,320 Yes. - Yet, you did not caution 369 00:19:13,345 --> 00:19:15,877 Christopher Halliwell as the law dictates. 370 00:19:15,878 --> 00:19:17,037 Now, why not? 371 00:19:17,038 --> 00:19:19,038 Because I felt it was disingenuous 372 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:24,315 to begin an interview with Halliwell in those circumstances by saying, 373 00:19:24,316 --> 00:19:25,557 "You don't have to say anything." 374 00:19:25,558 --> 00:19:27,717 I felt his right to silence 375 00:19:27,718 --> 00:19:30,038 directly conflicted with Sian's right to life. 376 00:19:31,038 --> 00:19:33,553 Er, a little while later, Halliwell says to you, 377 00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:36,877 "Do you want another one?" Now, what did you understand this to mean? 378 00:19:36,878 --> 00:19:40,037 It wasn't actually clear, initially, what it meant. 379 00:19:40,038 --> 00:19:42,037 Well, if it wasn't clear, wouldn't it have been better 380 00:19:42,038 --> 00:19:43,646 to arrest him for Sian, caution him, 381 00:19:43,647 --> 00:19:46,037 and then clarify things on the other one back at the police station? 382 00:19:46,038 --> 00:19:48,037 But they wouldn't have been clarified, would they? 383 00:19:48,038 --> 00:19:51,037 His solicitor would've advised him to go, "No comment", 384 00:19:51,038 --> 00:19:53,227 and that would've been that. - Not necessarily. 385 00:19:53,228 --> 00:19:55,037 He could've been properly cautioned, brought back to the station 386 00:19:55,038 --> 00:19:57,340 and then revealed the victim's whereabouts. 387 00:19:58,038 --> 00:20:00,077 That's the difference between theory and practice. 388 00:20:00,078 --> 00:20:03,037 I mean, in practice, that has never happened. 389 00:20:03,038 --> 00:20:04,397 Not once, in my whole career. 390 00:20:04,398 --> 00:20:07,371 Now, if you had arrested him and cautioned him at that point, 391 00:20:07,372 --> 00:20:08,877 then everything that followed 392 00:20:08,878 --> 00:20:10,397 would have remained admissible in evidence. 393 00:20:10,398 --> 00:20:13,717 Not to do so was a gross error of judgment on your part, wasn't it? 394 00:20:13,718 --> 00:20:15,038 I don't believe it was, no. 395 00:20:19,975 --> 00:20:24,037 I feel like a madman in a roomful of people who don't understand me. 396 00:20:24,038 --> 00:20:27,718 I'm saying the same thing over and over again and nobody's listening. 397 00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:48,705 Mr Geenty, you've always supported Steve Fulcher's reasoning 398 00:20:48,730 --> 00:20:51,277 for not cautioning Christopher Halliwell, haven't you? 399 00:20:51,278 --> 00:20:54,077 I have no doubt about his good faith that day. 400 00:20:54,078 --> 00:20:57,077 Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning. 401 00:20:57,078 --> 00:21:01,077 At the pre-trial hearing, before the Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said, 402 00:21:01,078 --> 00:21:04,712 "I think the decision Steve made was, 403 00:21:04,713 --> 00:21:08,411 "to use the slang, a gutsy decision. 404 00:21:08,412 --> 00:21:11,077 "And I'd like to think I would make a similar decision 405 00:21:11,078 --> 00:21:13,077 "in the same circumstances." 406 00:21:13,078 --> 00:21:15,077 Well, that was when he was still hoping 407 00:21:15,078 --> 00:21:16,917 that Sian might be found alive. 408 00:21:16,918 --> 00:21:18,077 We all were. 409 00:21:18,078 --> 00:21:20,077 But I disagree with his judgment 410 00:21:20,078 --> 00:21:23,078 when it came to him being offered information about the second body. 411 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,077 That is where I think PACE and the protection of the suspect 412 00:21:28,078 --> 00:21:30,077 would have become paramount 413 00:21:30,078 --> 00:21:33,077 because tragically, at that point, when he knew Sian was dead, 414 00:21:33,078 --> 00:21:36,077 the urgent interview provision no longer applied. 415 00:21:36,078 --> 00:21:39,375 So you agree with his actions in relation to Sian, but not to Becky? 416 00:21:39,376 --> 00:21:43,077 No, I believe, at that point, in the heat of the moment, 417 00:21:43,078 --> 00:21:44,760 he could not have been thinking clearly. 418 00:21:44,761 --> 00:21:47,520 So what are you saying, then? That Becky doesn't matter? 419 00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:52,077 Would it be fair to say that Steve Fulcher 420 00:21:52,078 --> 00:21:55,917 was by far the most experienced SIO that Wiltshire had 421 00:21:55,918 --> 00:21:58,077 at the point of the Sian and Becky investigation? 422 00:21:58,078 --> 00:22:01,420 Steve has demonstrated that he has a solid track record. 423 00:22:01,421 --> 00:22:04,077 And that, whatever else this case is about, 424 00:22:04,078 --> 00:22:08,077 there is no doubt that he is an outstandingly good police officer. 425 00:22:08,078 --> 00:22:10,510 He is a very competent officer, yes. 426 00:22:10,511 --> 00:22:13,437 Now, in spite of the fact that it's normal for senior officers 427 00:22:13,438 --> 00:22:16,077 to give off-the-record media briefings, 428 00:22:16,078 --> 00:22:19,077 you say you had a conversation with Steve Fulcher 429 00:22:19,078 --> 00:22:22,652 to tell him of an order by the then Deputy Chief Constable Geenty 430 00:22:22,653 --> 00:22:25,077 that he wasn't to do any interviews with journalists. 431 00:22:25,078 --> 00:22:26,437 That is correct, yes. 432 00:22:26,438 --> 00:22:29,277 You made an entry into your diary that day, didn't you? 433 00:22:29,278 --> 00:22:31,767 You record 16 points 434 00:22:31,768 --> 00:22:34,117 relating to various matters you'd discussed with him. 435 00:22:34,118 --> 00:22:37,077 But the one thing you haven't recorded 436 00:22:37,078 --> 00:22:38,782 is any mention of Steve Fulcher 437 00:22:38,783 --> 00:22:40,569 being told not to speak to the media. 438 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:43,277 I spoke to Steve Fulcher about DCC Geenty's order 439 00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:45,720 at the end of the conversation. 440 00:22:46,758 --> 00:22:49,077 Those other points were from the first part of the conversation. 441 00:22:49,078 --> 00:22:51,077 But surely, Mr Geenty's order 442 00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:54,077 would've been the most important part of that conversation, 443 00:22:54,078 --> 00:22:57,277 based on the fact that Steve Fulcher stands here today 444 00:22:57,278 --> 00:23:00,077 with the prospect of losing his career because of it? 445 00:23:00,078 --> 00:23:02,077 I didn't feel it necessary to have recorded 446 00:23:02,078 --> 00:23:03,078 that part of the conversation. 447 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:05,720 But I can assure you that it did happen. 448 00:23:06,758 --> 00:23:09,077 Is this actually misconduct at all? 449 00:23:09,078 --> 00:23:12,317 In both instances, the failure to caution Christopher Halliwell 450 00:23:12,318 --> 00:23:15,077 and the interviews Detective Superintendent Fulcher 451 00:23:15,078 --> 00:23:16,662 gave to the media, 452 00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:18,830 might not many members of the public say, 453 00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:23,485 "Surely, there are better ways for the police service and the IPCC 454 00:23:23,486 --> 00:23:25,077 "to deal with such matters? 455 00:23:25,078 --> 00:23:28,077 "Are you really satisfied, based on the evidence before you, 456 00:23:28,078 --> 00:23:31,077 "that you could take the steps to remove this man's career?" 457 00:23:31,078 --> 00:23:33,662 Thank you, Mr Beggs. - Are there any questions 458 00:23:33,663 --> 00:23:36,077 from Rebecca's family members present today? 459 00:23:36,078 --> 00:23:39,078 Well, not from me. I'm very happy with how it's gone. 460 00:23:40,078 --> 00:23:43,077 Mrs Edwards? - I agree with Mr Beggs. 461 00:23:43,078 --> 00:23:47,077 It seems ridiculous all this public money's been spent on this. 462 00:23:47,078 --> 00:23:48,597 Thank you, both. 463 00:23:48,598 --> 00:23:51,472 Well, we shall now retire to consider our judgment. 464 00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:54,077 You will be informed of our verdict in due course, 465 00:23:54,078 --> 00:23:56,077 when this hearing will reconvene. 466 00:23:56,078 --> 00:23:57,240 Thank you. 467 00:24:30,414 --> 00:24:32,118 Come on, you reds! 468 00:24:42,078 --> 00:24:44,077 My sister got in a cab with him. 469 00:24:44,078 --> 00:24:45,757 With Halliwell? - Yeah. 470 00:24:45,758 --> 00:24:49,077 She seen his picture in the paper and she was sure it was him. 471 00:24:49,078 --> 00:24:52,077 She gets in his cab and he drives her the wrong way, 472 00:24:52,078 --> 00:24:55,077 out towards Savernake Forest, acting all weird, like. 473 00:24:55,078 --> 00:24:57,917 She screams and opens the door and someone sees them. 474 00:24:57,918 --> 00:24:59,707 And he pulls over and lets her out. 475 00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:02,077 Says he was just having a laugh with her. 476 00:25:02,078 --> 00:25:05,280 She doesn't know how lucky she is. - Yeah, that's what my mum says. 477 00:25:07,078 --> 00:25:09,560 All right, thank you. Thank you. 478 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,077 We just wanted to check that you were OK. 479 00:25:13,078 --> 00:25:15,078 See if you had any worries or questions. 480 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,078 Thank you. It's much appreciated. 481 00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:23,026 I don't know if you're aware of what Karen Edwards is doing. 482 00:25:23,078 --> 00:25:24,480 She's got a petition going. 483 00:25:26,758 --> 00:25:28,118 I'm aware of it, yeah. 484 00:25:28,143 --> 00:25:31,943 Her support for Stephen Fulcher is very commendable, but... 485 00:25:31,968 --> 00:25:34,968 ...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is... 486 00:25:34,993 --> 00:25:36,353 ...misguided. 487 00:25:37,278 --> 00:25:40,598 Our position is that Fulcher shouldn't have breached PACE. 488 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,078 Yeah, that's how we feel. 489 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,598 We would have found Sian's body anyway. 490 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,560 That's good to know. 491 00:25:52,078 --> 00:25:55,277 We've heard from Karen's FLO that she would like to meet you. 492 00:25:55,278 --> 00:25:58,077 Would you be interested in us arranging that? 493 00:25:58,078 --> 00:26:00,078 No, I wouldn't. Thank you. 494 00:26:01,078 --> 00:26:03,280 After she got in the car with him... 495 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,918 ...I keep wondering what happened to her after that. 496 00:26:09,531 --> 00:26:12,171 I torment myself wondering if it was quick. 497 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,078 Erm... 498 00:26:17,671 --> 00:26:22,671 He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have to give a detailed account in court. 499 00:26:23,078 --> 00:26:24,917 Or at least... 500 00:26:24,918 --> 00:26:26,400 ...one that we could challenge. 501 00:26:28,078 --> 00:26:30,077 Did she know what he was going to do with her? 502 00:26:30,078 --> 00:26:31,078 Was she frightened? 503 00:26:33,611 --> 00:26:36,251 Halliwell said that he killed her quickly. 504 00:26:37,331 --> 00:26:39,331 Within a few minutes of setting off. 505 00:26:40,325 --> 00:26:42,845 She started struggling, so he stabbed her. 506 00:26:45,078 --> 00:26:46,078 Erm... 507 00:26:47,285 --> 00:26:49,245 I don't know if I believe him. 508 00:26:52,758 --> 00:26:55,078 She wasn't wearing her boots when you found her. 509 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,240 They were tight-fitting. 510 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,118 When did they come off? Did...? 511 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,200 Did he start to undress her? 512 00:27:14,078 --> 00:27:17,078 I just keep playing it over and over in my head. 513 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,680 Different scenarios and... 514 00:27:28,078 --> 00:27:30,078 ...I just see her face, Pete. 515 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,078 Terrified. 516 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,077 Come here... 517 00:27:39,078 --> 00:27:40,078 It's OK. 518 00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,118 Come here. 519 00:27:42,758 --> 00:27:44,078 Shh... 520 00:27:49,758 --> 00:27:51,758 I want to look after you, Elaine. 521 00:27:54,078 --> 00:27:56,280 I'm here for you, all right? 522 00:27:59,598 --> 00:28:03,800 Everything that's happened has just made me want to protect you. 523 00:28:10,552 --> 00:28:12,552 Why don't you pack it in at work? 524 00:28:14,938 --> 00:28:16,520 You hate that fucking job. 525 00:28:18,078 --> 00:28:19,400 I can support you. 526 00:28:25,078 --> 00:28:27,600 I want us to be together properly, Elaine. 527 00:28:32,371 --> 00:28:33,371 Mm. 528 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,078 I have asked you not to smoke inside. 529 00:29:02,605 --> 00:29:05,245 Why don't you have a shower? 530 00:29:07,078 --> 00:29:09,544 Why don't you have a nice shower and we could go to Brighton? 531 00:29:09,545 --> 00:29:10,824 The girls are out tonight. 532 00:29:10,825 --> 00:29:12,764 We could have lunch and we wouldn't have to rush back. 533 00:29:12,765 --> 00:29:14,078 Do I smell, Yvonne? 534 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,077 What? - Or do I stink? 535 00:29:16,078 --> 00:29:18,078 Can you smell me from there? 536 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,077 I don't know what you're talking about. 537 00:29:20,078 --> 00:29:21,277 Oh, obfuscation. 538 00:29:21,278 --> 00:29:23,077 I can tell from your answer, 539 00:29:23,078 --> 00:29:25,078 or, more accurately, your... 540 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,078 ...lack of an answer, that I don't. Therefore... 541 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,077 ...no need for me to shower. 542 00:29:30,078 --> 00:29:31,520 Is this you being funny? 543 00:29:33,078 --> 00:29:35,677 Anyway, I'm not allowed to leave the county 544 00:29:35,678 --> 00:29:37,077 without getting permission from them. 545 00:29:37,078 --> 00:29:38,571 You're joking? - It's true. 546 00:29:38,572 --> 00:29:40,800 I have to ask them if I can leave Wiltshire. 547 00:29:45,078 --> 00:29:46,078 Well... 548 00:29:47,438 --> 00:29:48,598 OK. 549 00:29:57,370 --> 00:30:01,077 What has happened to Steve Fulcher is nothing short of scandalous. 550 00:30:01,078 --> 00:30:04,757 Cos, without him, my daughter would be lying in a field somewhere 551 00:30:04,758 --> 00:30:07,077 without anyone knowing where she was. 552 00:30:07,078 --> 00:30:09,471 But he has been hounded from pillar to post 553 00:30:09,472 --> 00:30:11,806 while Christopher Halliwell, who murdered her, 554 00:30:11,807 --> 00:30:14,077 has never faced justice for what he did. 555 00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:17,077 Our Justice For Becky campaign is petitioning the Government 556 00:30:17,078 --> 00:30:18,117 to change the PACE law. 557 00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:22,077 So, please, sign our petition if you see us around Swindon. 558 00:30:22,078 --> 00:30:23,078 Not ideal. 559 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,558 What, are you worried about a backlash 560 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,077 if Karen Edwards' support for Steve Fulcher gains too much momentum? 561 00:30:29,078 --> 00:30:32,077 Because, I have to admit, it has crossed my mind. 562 00:30:32,078 --> 00:30:34,337 It's not great, from a PR point of view. 563 00:30:34,362 --> 00:30:35,475 No. 564 00:30:35,476 --> 00:30:38,757 Maybe we should have another think about the investigation. 565 00:30:38,758 --> 00:30:39,851 Yeah. 566 00:30:39,852 --> 00:30:42,597 I know we bicker, I know he can be... 567 00:30:42,598 --> 00:30:44,077 ...controlling. 568 00:30:44,078 --> 00:30:45,118 But... 569 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,078 ...he can be so sweet. 570 00:30:48,758 --> 00:30:50,077 He's picked me up when I was down. 571 00:30:50,078 --> 00:30:52,277 He's been there for me all through this. He's been my rock. 572 00:30:52,278 --> 00:30:54,598 He did force you to get that lump on your boob checked. 573 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,077 I will give him that. 574 00:30:56,078 --> 00:30:59,077 And just when I think he's exactly what I need, 575 00:30:59,078 --> 00:31:01,757 things happen and I wonder if he is. 576 00:31:01,758 --> 00:31:04,077 We've had another row because he says Aiden 577 00:31:04,078 --> 00:31:07,077 took a can of Coke out of the fridge without asking. 578 00:31:07,078 --> 00:31:09,078 Really? A can of Coke? 579 00:31:10,138 --> 00:31:11,400 That's the, er... 580 00:31:12,278 --> 00:31:15,078 ...the police at Karen's. I wonder what they're there for. 581 00:31:16,758 --> 00:31:18,078 She asked to meet me, Karen. 582 00:31:19,078 --> 00:31:21,280 What did you say? - No. 583 00:31:23,078 --> 00:31:25,320 I can't face her. I know I should, but... 584 00:31:27,078 --> 00:31:29,078 I can't really explain it. 585 00:31:30,004 --> 00:31:31,776 We have come across so many people 586 00:31:31,777 --> 00:31:33,855 who have given us information on Halliwell. 587 00:31:33,856 --> 00:31:35,688 People who say they got into his taxi with him 588 00:31:35,689 --> 00:31:37,117 and had scary experiences. 589 00:31:37,118 --> 00:31:40,551 People saying he got obsessed with women and would stalk them. 590 00:31:40,552 --> 00:31:43,077 People who can link him to girls who have gone missing. 591 00:31:43,078 --> 00:31:45,077 But it's all hearsay, Karen. 592 00:31:45,078 --> 00:31:47,860 People say they know someone who knew him 593 00:31:47,861 --> 00:31:50,077 or people who've heard something about him 594 00:31:50,078 --> 00:31:51,766 and not seen it for themselves. 595 00:31:51,767 --> 00:31:54,280 Nothing that would stand up in court. 596 00:31:55,998 --> 00:31:58,998 I'm sorry, but trying to play amateur detective 597 00:31:59,023 --> 00:32:02,761 and criticising Wiltshire Police in the media is not helping things. 598 00:32:02,786 --> 00:32:04,088 It's not all critical. 599 00:32:04,118 --> 00:32:08,479 I always tell everybody what a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did. 600 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,077 And he is a Wiltshire police officer, isn't he? 601 00:32:10,078 --> 00:32:11,659 We're all in this together. 602 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,597 Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum Elaine the other day 603 00:32:14,598 --> 00:32:16,917 and she was saying the same thing. 604 00:32:16,918 --> 00:32:18,078 It's a team effort. 605 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,077 Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her? 606 00:32:22,078 --> 00:32:24,078 I did. - And what did she say? 607 00:32:25,938 --> 00:32:26,938 Er... 608 00:32:27,078 --> 00:32:30,078 She says it's not the right time for her at the moment. 609 00:32:35,992 --> 00:32:37,992 Well, my door is always open. 610 00:32:41,078 --> 00:32:43,077 When you spoke to the psychiatrist 611 00:32:43,078 --> 00:32:45,525 about those feelings of rage, Christopher, 612 00:32:45,526 --> 00:32:48,077 of being consumed by a single thought, 613 00:32:48,078 --> 00:32:51,320 did he talk about finding a harmless release mechanism? 614 00:32:52,291 --> 00:32:55,931 For example, to think of something that calms us down. 615 00:32:56,344 --> 00:32:58,600 Well, I told him I liked to go fishing. 616 00:33:00,078 --> 00:33:02,078 I used to love sitting there for hours on end. 617 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,078 I find it very peaceful. 618 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,078 And that's good. 619 00:33:08,078 --> 00:33:09,278 Yeah. 620 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,078 I had this special place where I liked to fish. 621 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,078 Out in the woods. 622 00:33:15,012 --> 00:33:17,012 It was like my own private... 623 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,078 I don't know what you'd call it. A sanctum. 624 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,078 Yeah. 625 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,078 I used to love going there. 626 00:33:25,078 --> 00:33:26,880 My special place. 627 00:33:50,078 --> 00:33:51,616 The panel feels that 628 00:33:51,617 --> 00:33:53,735 the continuation of custody of Christopher Halliwell 629 00:33:53,736 --> 00:33:56,077 without caution or without any of the other safeguards 630 00:33:56,078 --> 00:33:57,917 afforded him by PACE, 631 00:33:57,918 --> 00:34:00,872 particularly when en route to the location of Rebecca Godden, 632 00:34:00,873 --> 00:34:02,077 cannot be justified. 633 00:34:02,078 --> 00:34:05,437 At such time as it became apparent that Sian O'Callaghan was dead, 634 00:34:05,438 --> 00:34:07,688 you should have stopped the car, turned it around 635 00:34:07,689 --> 00:34:09,757 and taken Halliwell into custody. 636 00:34:09,758 --> 00:34:12,518 And the panel has a wider duty to perform 637 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,077 in respect to public confidence, 638 00:34:15,078 --> 00:34:17,667 and the message needs to be sent to other officers 639 00:34:17,668 --> 00:34:21,077 that a detective cannot ignore PACE to such an extent 640 00:34:21,078 --> 00:34:23,757 without being held fully to account. 641 00:34:23,758 --> 00:34:26,920 And we regard your conduct as gross misconduct. 642 00:34:27,918 --> 00:34:31,077 On allegation two, the panel concludes that, 643 00:34:31,078 --> 00:34:33,077 on the balance of probability, 644 00:34:33,078 --> 00:34:36,437 you were given an instruction by Chief Superintendent Pritchard 645 00:34:36,438 --> 00:34:38,077 to not give interviews to the media. 646 00:34:38,078 --> 00:34:40,634 This is not behaviour we would expect from a senior officer 647 00:34:40,635 --> 00:34:43,078 and we regard the conduct as gross misconduct. 648 00:34:44,705 --> 00:34:46,880 These breaches would justify dismissal. 649 00:34:48,078 --> 00:34:51,077 However, taking into account your previous exemplary record, 650 00:34:51,078 --> 00:34:54,320 the panel has concluded that the most appropriate sanction... 651 00:34:55,078 --> 00:34:57,078 ...is a final written warning. 652 00:35:01,078 --> 00:35:05,077 And I cannot stress how close you came to losing your job today. 653 00:35:05,078 --> 00:35:08,077 I do hope that you have learnt from this experience. 654 00:35:08,078 --> 00:35:09,917 It's not right what Fulcher did! 655 00:35:09,918 --> 00:35:12,919 Why should we have to pay with our pain because of his mistakes? 656 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,078 I've been mentally scarred by this. 657 00:35:16,898 --> 00:35:19,509 It seems to me, come to Swindon and commit a murder 658 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:20,923 cos you'll get away with it. 659 00:35:22,278 --> 00:35:24,360 I will never trust the police again. 660 00:35:25,438 --> 00:35:27,078 Never. 661 00:36:28,072 --> 00:36:30,072 I can start back as soon as possible. 662 00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:32,071 And you're actually going to? 663 00:36:32,072 --> 00:36:34,071 Well, what else am I going to do? 664 00:36:34,072 --> 00:36:36,620 I'm a police officer. It's all I... 665 00:36:38,072 --> 00:36:40,071 It's all I know, Yvonne! 666 00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:43,071 And I am fucking good at it! - Good for you, Steve! 667 00:36:43,072 --> 00:36:44,620 Fuck everyone else! 668 00:37:01,540 --> 00:37:03,271 We're very pleased to have you here, Steve. 669 00:37:03,272 --> 00:37:04,591 Thank you. 670 00:37:04,592 --> 00:37:07,071 You knew Ray Hayward, is that right? - Er, yes. 671 00:37:07,072 --> 00:37:08,072 Yes, I liked Ray. 672 00:37:08,073 --> 00:37:10,911 I met him many times in meetings. 673 00:37:10,912 --> 00:37:13,180 He always had an interesting take on things, you know. 674 00:37:14,072 --> 00:37:15,752 Here we are. 675 00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:22,071 Now, when the word went round that you were available, 676 00:37:22,072 --> 00:37:24,647 our previous Bobby Van manager has just retired. 677 00:37:24,648 --> 00:37:25,841 Mm-hm. 678 00:37:25,866 --> 00:37:28,439 You're obviously a bit overqualified... - What exactly is Bobby Van? 679 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,271 It's a local initiative to get a van out 680 00:37:30,272 --> 00:37:33,071 to burglary and criminal damage victims 681 00:37:33,072 --> 00:37:36,071 to get their windows and doors and suchlike fixed up. 682 00:37:36,072 --> 00:37:38,071 Mm-hm. Right. 683 00:37:38,072 --> 00:37:39,751 Well, I'll... 684 00:37:39,752 --> 00:37:41,072 I'll leave you to it. 685 00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:43,071 Give you a chance to get up to speed on everything. 686 00:37:43,072 --> 00:37:45,072 Thank you. - OK. 687 00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:57,300 This is about justice for Becky. 688 00:37:58,072 --> 00:38:00,509 And justice for a brave police officer, 689 00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:04,071 whose career has been ruined just for doing his job. 690 00:38:04,072 --> 00:38:08,071 And over 40.000 people have signed our petition, 691 00:38:08,072 --> 00:38:11,072 and with the help of our local MP 692 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,111 we are delighted to be able to deliver our demand 693 00:38:14,112 --> 00:38:18,071 for a change in the law directly to Mr Cameron. 694 00:38:18,072 --> 00:38:21,780 And this must never be allowed to happen again. 695 00:38:22,072 --> 00:38:26,431 Will my Right Honourable friend join our cause for a thorough review 696 00:38:26,432 --> 00:38:29,751 of Code C of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act 697 00:38:29,752 --> 00:38:34,071 so that terrible situations like this will not happen again? 698 00:38:34,072 --> 00:38:37,071 I will look very carefully at what my honourable friend has raised 699 00:38:37,072 --> 00:38:39,431 and the specific case that he mentions, 700 00:38:39,432 --> 00:38:41,071 and look also at this issue 701 00:38:41,072 --> 00:38:42,899 of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act. 702 00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:45,452 It is always important that all information 703 00:38:45,453 --> 00:38:49,071 that possibly can be put in front of a court is put in front of the court 704 00:38:49,072 --> 00:38:51,071 so the court can reach the correct, er... 705 00:38:51,072 --> 00:38:52,752 ...the correct decision. 706 00:38:56,238 --> 00:38:59,071 I want you to know that it's OK to feel happy again. 707 00:38:59,072 --> 00:39:03,071 That, if something good happens, it's OK to smile 708 00:39:03,072 --> 00:39:05,071 or feel good inside. 709 00:39:05,072 --> 00:39:07,592 It's not betraying Sian to feel like that. 710 00:39:13,072 --> 00:39:15,071 Me and Pete have decided... 711 00:39:15,072 --> 00:39:17,071 ...that we make each other happy. 712 00:39:17,072 --> 00:39:19,072 So, we're going to get married. 713 00:39:20,671 --> 00:39:22,991 And I wanted to tell you before anyone else, 714 00:39:23,016 --> 00:39:25,016 so you can tell me how you feel about it. 715 00:39:28,072 --> 00:39:29,072 If it's what you want. 716 00:39:29,073 --> 00:39:31,500 Mm. - I'm happy for you. 717 00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:35,580 Aiden? 718 00:39:36,072 --> 00:39:38,072 I'm glad that you want to marry Pete. 719 00:39:38,704 --> 00:39:40,704 I just want you to be happy, Mum. 720 00:40:26,172 --> 00:40:28,172 I've had enough, Steve. 721 00:40:30,972 --> 00:40:32,380 I can't take any more. 722 00:40:39,324 --> 00:40:41,324 OK, if I retire early... - Mm-hm. 723 00:40:42,432 --> 00:40:44,072 ...my pension will be cut. 724 00:40:47,072 --> 00:40:49,912 We wouldn't have enough to live on. - I don't care. 725 00:41:10,072 --> 00:41:11,072 Good to see you. 726 00:41:11,073 --> 00:41:13,072 So, this is where we are. Erm... 727 00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:16,071 Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word 728 00:41:16,072 --> 00:41:18,591 and he referred this to Theresa May, the Home Secretary. 729 00:41:18,592 --> 00:41:19,861 Excellent. 730 00:41:19,862 --> 00:41:23,071 And she referred it to Damian Green, the Policing Secretary. 731 00:41:23,072 --> 00:41:25,071 And he passed it on to ACPO, 732 00:41:25,072 --> 00:41:27,071 the Association of Chief Police Officers. 733 00:41:27,072 --> 00:41:29,071 Right. - And they asked for comments 734 00:41:29,072 --> 00:41:32,071 from the relevant police service, Wiltshire. 735 00:41:32,072 --> 00:41:34,071 Then they went back to Damian Green with their recommendation 736 00:41:34,072 --> 00:41:36,580 for no action required. 737 00:41:38,838 --> 00:41:40,838 They advise that Section 11 of PACE 738 00:41:40,863 --> 00:41:43,863 is only applicable to a threat to life and the recovery of evidence 739 00:41:43,888 --> 00:41:45,888 and, therefore, didn't apply in this case. 740 00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:49,480 But that's exactly what Steve was doing. 741 00:41:49,505 --> 00:41:52,505 He was trying to save Sian and recover Becky's body. So... 742 00:41:53,072 --> 00:41:54,340 I'm very sorry. 743 00:41:56,072 --> 00:41:57,072 The pond itself. 744 00:41:57,073 --> 00:42:00,071 And as you can see, we've pulled out a lot of pieces of clothing. 745 00:42:00,072 --> 00:42:02,071 That's quite a lot there. - It is. 746 00:42:02,072 --> 00:42:04,072 What are we up to now? 747 00:42:05,072 --> 00:42:07,911 About 20 items so far. But I expect that to go up. 748 00:42:07,912 --> 00:42:09,911 We're going to have another scan of the pond 749 00:42:09,912 --> 00:42:11,071 and see if we can pull anything else out. 750 00:42:11,072 --> 00:42:12,519 We might have missed one or two things. 751 00:42:12,544 --> 00:42:13,578 Sir! 752 00:42:14,072 --> 00:42:15,420 Yeah. 753 00:42:29,072 --> 00:42:30,220 OK. Excellent. 754 00:42:30,952 --> 00:42:32,952 I think that might be Sian's boot. 755 00:42:42,752 --> 00:42:44,460 It was nice of you to come round. 756 00:42:45,072 --> 00:42:48,431 I always felt that, with everything that happened, 757 00:42:48,432 --> 00:42:51,071 I never really got the chance to tell you how sorry I was 758 00:42:51,072 --> 00:42:52,072 about what happened to Ray. 759 00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:55,964 Well, it's not been easy for me, 760 00:42:55,989 --> 00:42:59,914 knowing that he was so desperate and that we couldn't help him. 761 00:42:59,915 --> 00:43:01,072 Thanks. 762 00:43:02,072 --> 00:43:06,072 Look, I can't speak about the allegations against him, but... 763 00:43:08,072 --> 00:43:10,072 ...from my point of view, he was a good friend. 764 00:43:12,072 --> 00:43:16,072 Yeah. There was a lot I wanted to say about how he was treated. 765 00:43:19,385 --> 00:43:21,385 It's not worth it, Steve. 766 00:43:21,938 --> 00:43:24,938 I know what's been happening with you, and it's not worth it. 767 00:43:27,112 --> 00:43:30,072 The job meant everything to Ray, too. But... 768 00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:33,072 ...it wasn't more important than his children... 769 00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:35,072 ...than his life. 770 00:44:27,072 --> 00:44:28,740 Debs? 771 00:44:28,765 --> 00:44:30,765 Are you watching the local news? 772 00:44:34,072 --> 00:44:36,340 I think the timing's a bit too convenient. 773 00:44:36,785 --> 00:44:38,305 Where was it? 774 00:44:38,330 --> 00:44:40,970 They're carrying out a dig at a spot in Ramsbury. 775 00:44:41,072 --> 00:44:43,071 I think this has come from some information 776 00:44:43,072 --> 00:44:45,071 passed on by Halliwell's probation officer. 777 00:44:45,072 --> 00:44:48,071 ...the boot in the water which we have recovered. 778 00:44:48,072 --> 00:44:50,560 So, you were walking along the lane and...? 779 00:44:50,561 --> 00:44:54,071 Scoping the ponds as to which I thought 780 00:44:54,072 --> 00:44:57,071 would be most likely to deposit property. 781 00:44:57,072 --> 00:44:58,580 Why now? 782 00:44:59,072 --> 00:45:01,431 They've done nothing over the last 18 months and then suddenly, 783 00:45:01,432 --> 00:45:03,071 "Look what a great job we're doing." 784 00:45:03,072 --> 00:45:04,548 I reckon they're worried about backlash 785 00:45:04,549 --> 00:45:06,112 over the way you've been treated. 786 00:45:07,072 --> 00:45:09,431 He says that numerous items have been recovered. 787 00:45:09,432 --> 00:45:11,071 Mm. One of 60, I heard. 788 00:45:11,072 --> 00:45:12,111 60? 789 00:45:12,112 --> 00:45:15,072 This could be what you've been waiting for, Steve. 790 00:45:16,072 --> 00:45:17,431 Yeah, I know. 791 00:45:17,432 --> 00:45:19,071 Bollocks. 792 00:45:19,072 --> 00:45:22,071 What? - I handed in my resignation. 793 00:45:22,072 --> 00:45:23,420 I'm no longer a police officer. 794 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:30,420 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 62297

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