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This whole series of events
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began with a deliberate decision
by a senior officer
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to breach the PACE code.
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Do you want another one?
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Another one?
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What resulted was not admissible
evidence in a criminal trial.
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We should still be OK
with the case against him for Sian.
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We have the DNA evidence.
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Her blood in his car,
his DNA on her body.
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What about Becky?
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The confession evidence is all we had.
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And, er, I'm afraid, without that,
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we'll have to take her name
off the indictment.
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Well, this is Fulcher's fault!
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Usual deal. None of what we talk about
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can be used by ITV
until after the verdict.
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Yeah, agreed.
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Well, he's a serial killer, Rob.
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I am convinced of it.
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His big hero was that Myra Hindley
off the Moors Murders.
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I want to make a complaint
about one of your police officers.
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Well, it's a complaint, Steve.
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We'll have to decide
whether it constitutes
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just misconduct or gross misconduct.
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Really?
- He said they were gunning for him.
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He felt abandoned
by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift.
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But where is Becky in the pecking order?
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Right down at the bottom,
where she's always been.
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So you go back and you tell
your bosses, no, I am not satisfied.
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Not at all.
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I had a word with Mike.
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Unfortunately, he's already
referred it to the IPCC.
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They're going to charge you.
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Gross misconduct.
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Happy anniversary!
- Oh...
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Thank you very much.
- Happy anniversary, Mum.
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Happy anniversary, Dad.
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Oh, that's lovely!
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Oh, thank you. That's beautiful.
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They helped me choose it. Didn't you?
- Just a little bit.
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Thank you.
- Thank you.
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Ah-ha!
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I've always wanted...
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It's got a little red light that
flashes if you're too stressed
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and you press it too hard.
- Do you think I'm stressed?
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Mm, maybe...
- And I thought I was hiding it.
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Maybe a little bit.
- Keep out of it, you.
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The card's from all three of us.
- Thank you very much.
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We're behind you.
- Thank you.
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Happy anniversary.
- Mm-hm.
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That helps me a lot, I'll tell you.
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We have statements from prostitutes
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putting Halliwell with Becky
in the lead-up to the murder.
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We have the guy he shared a cell with
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saying that he liked
to strangle women during sex.
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It's all there.
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Eight murders,
he told his mate on the phone.
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Now, we know about two.
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Who's out there
looking for the other six?
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It's not me. I'm sat on my arse
on restricted duties.
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Have they, er, set a date
for your disciplinary hearing?
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Before the end of the year.
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Meanwhile, I'm in total...
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...limbo.
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No case, no team.
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The knives are out for me, too.
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What?
- Mike Veale suddenly announced to me
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that he didn't need me
as a staff officer any more.
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He thought I'd resign.
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I refused to.
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Then I find this week that
he's appointed a new staff officer.
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It's a joke.
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I mean, this is my problem.
They can't go after you, too.
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I'm going to have this out with them.
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Steve, don't. Steve...
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Pat, can I have a quick word?
- Steve...
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Listen, I know there's a lot of flak
flying around,
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but it's not fair to...
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What's wrong with your phone?
I've been trying to call you.
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I had it on charge.
- Mike Veale wants to see you.
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OK.
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I'll tell him you're on your way.
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25 years Halliwell got.
- That's Karen.
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He'll get out, so he'll have
plenty of his life in front of him.
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I feel for her, of course I do. But...
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Fulcher broke the law.
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You know that.
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I don't really know what I think
any more, to be honest.
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I know I'd rather not get into this
right here and now with Karen.
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I'll sign.
- Oh, thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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You're actually the first.
That's... It's all my family there.
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That's... That's me at the top.
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Thank you.
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25 years...
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...Halliwell got. And he'll get out.
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Mike wanted to see me?
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Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute.
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Mike will see you now.
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Thank you.
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Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down.
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Mike. Kier.
- Steve.
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I asked DCS Pritchard
to be here this morning
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to make a note of everything.
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Now, I have to tell you, Steve,
that I am suspending you from duty
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with immediate effect.
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It's been brought to my attention
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that you had an unauthorised meeting
with a member of the press,
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the ITV journalist Rob Murphy,
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during which you discussed
Operation Mayan.
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This is a meeting that you were
expressly forbidden to attend.
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An officer from a neighbouring force
happened to be in the pub that night
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and witnessed the meeting
and reported it to Kier.
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Well, as you know, Steve,
I expressly told you
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you're not to do any interviews
with journalists.
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I don't recall any conversation
along those lines, Kier.
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I mentioned it
at one of the routines recently.
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Mm-hm.
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Now, I consider this matter
to be serious enough
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to warrant immediate suspension.
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Do you have anything to say?
- No, I don't.
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Very well, could you please give me
your pass and warrant card?
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You will now be escorted
from the premises by Tom,
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who's waiting for you outside.
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He'll accompany you to your house
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to recover any force documents
or property.
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Do you understand what I've said to you?
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I do.
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I'll ask you again
if you have anything to say.
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I don't.
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Fine. That's everything.
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Er, I'll take the phone.
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Can I at least call my wife?
- I'm afraid not.
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Oh, could I have that, please, sir?
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Are you coming in?
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Oh, it's Steve.
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Maughan and Ned are here.
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Er, where's the laptop, please?
- What's going on?
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It's in the kitchen on the dining table.
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Would you accompany me in there, please?
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Steve...?
- I've been suspended.
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What?! My mum and dad are in there.
Can I get it for you?
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I'm sorry.
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Hi, folks. Hello.
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Hi, Steve.
- Hello.
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Is this it?
- Yes.
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Everything all right?
- Yes, it's a work thing.
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And she was going round
all of the toilets in the school
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and she slid under all the doors,
locked them,
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and then slid back out again
so that all the doors,
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all the toilets in the whole school
were locked.
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How stupid.
- Mm, goodness.
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I mean, it's kind of silly
for her to get expelled,
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because she's a good student,
she's got good grades.
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It's not that big a
deal, it's just a joke.
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Just cos she's your friend.
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Do you remember Amelia
who was here last week?
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Oh, yeah.
- You know, the really bitchy one.
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She's not really bitchy.
- Yes, she is.
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She's not that bad.
But she's started to...
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Don't worry.
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Er, would you like to come through?
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Thank you.
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Thank you for coming to see me,
Mrs Edwards.
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The IPCC is an independent body
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that's been set up to examine
complaints against the police.
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I've asked you to come and see me
today to discuss a complaint
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that has been made against the
officer leading the investigation
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into the murder of your daughter Rebecca.
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Against Steve Fulcher?
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
that's correct.
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I wanted to know if you wanted
to add your name
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to the complaint against him.
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Who's made this complaint?
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Rebecca's father, John Godden.
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You're joking! John?!
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Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's...
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Have you met John Godden?
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All complaints about the police
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must be dealt with without prejudice.
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And it has been deemed that
the points Mr Godden has raised
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are serious enough
to warrant an investigation.
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Specifically, Detective
Superintendent Fulcher's failure
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to apply the rules of PACE
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to his interview with the chief
suspect Christopher Halliwell
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and prevented justice for his daughter.
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But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher
we'd never have found our daughter.
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So, how does he work that one out?
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So, you don't agree
with your ex-husband's view
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about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's
conduct?
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No. We bloody don't.
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If Mrs Edwards could answer
the question, please.
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No, I bloody well don't!
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We've got to help him, Charlie.
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We can't leave him
to be thrown to the wolves.
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You know, I'm sure it suits them
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to make out he's the one that messed up.
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You know, "It's not us, it's him."
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But you can't take on everyone, Karen.
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So, they're after Steve's blood.
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But the man who murdered Becky
has got away with it.
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How do you work that one out?
- Come on, love, get in.
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No, justice for Steve
is justice for Becky.
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It's only a bloody can of Coke.
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He just had to ask first.
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And I have told him that
time and time again.
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He has no male role model in his life.
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Mick only sees him every other weekend.
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To all intents and purposes,
I'm his father now.
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Let me in, Elaine.
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I want to help.
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Lauren!
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I was just passing.
- Come in. It's so lovely to see you.
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Come in.
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Are you going to come and say hello?
- I'm all right in here.
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Elaine... This is my daughter.
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We don't get on, Pete.
- Yeah, I know.
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But can't you just be the bigger person?
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Come on, love, let's go through.
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Hello?
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Of course.
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OK, he's ready to see you now.
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Thank you very much.
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This is a great pleasure
to meet you, Mr Edwards.
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Charlie.
- Please...
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Thank you very much for seeing us,
Mr Buckland.
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Not at all.
- I know you must be very busy.
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You've got all the documents I sent you.
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Mm.
- I feel very passionate about this.
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Halliwell must be prosecuted
for the murder of my daughter.
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Not just so Becky gets justice,
but cos the police officer involved,
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Detective Superintendent Fulcher,
because it's not fair
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that he should be facing
losing his career over this
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when all he did was try to save...
- Karen, not all at once.
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You're bombarding the man.
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Sorry. It's just, once I start, I...
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...I find it hard to stop.
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But what I wanted to say,
and I know you're a lawyer yourself,
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is I think there's a grey area here
with PACE.
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I agree.
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You agree?
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Yes.
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Yeah, I think PACE does need
to be looked at.
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So...
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...can you help us?
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You've started a petition?
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Yes, we've got over 7.000 signatures
so far.
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Right, you need to get that number
up as high as you possibly can.
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If I'm to lobby the Government,
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the higher the number,
the more they'll take notice.
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And you also need to keep on doing
your radio and TV interviews
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whenever you get the chance.
253
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You see, the more the campaign
features in the press,
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the likelihood increases
that the Government
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could ask Wiltshire Police Service
some awkward questions.
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Oh, right.
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You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards,
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and make people aware
of PACE's limitations.
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But to answer your question simply,
then...
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...yes, I'd like to try and help you.
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Oh, thank you!
Thank you very much, Mr Buckland!
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Hey.
- Hi!
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Hi, how are you doing?
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Nice to see you.
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Can I get you a drink?
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Erm, red wine.
- Mm-hm.
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Thank you.
268
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They've sent a file off
to the Crown Prosecution Service
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for a criminal prosecution against you.
270
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Criminal? What for?
271
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Malfeasance in a public office.
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Malfeasance?!
273
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They want to put him in prison now?
274
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Malfeasance is about abuse of office.
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Trying to find Sian alive
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and trying to recover the body
of a missing girl isn't malfeasance.
277
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I mean, if that's the case,
who is the victim?
278
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Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell.
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The prosecution case would
have to be that, but for my actions,
280
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poor old Christopher Halliwell
would be a free man.
281
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Well, the CPS threw it out.
But it shows you their mind-set.
282
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Seems they want to get you for something.
283
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I'm going to the loo.
284
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I may well throw up.
285
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This is driving her mad.
286
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She wants me to resign.
287
00:14:59,878 --> 00:15:03,037
And do what? I've been a detective
for more than 20 years.
288
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Please, don't jump yet, Steve.
289
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At least wait until you see a lawyer
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about your defence
for the disciplinary hearing.
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Hear what he has to say. I can't
believe they won't exonerate you
292
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once they hear the evidence.
- Mm-hm.
293
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What's happening to you
is horrible and unfair.
294
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But you mustn't give in.
295
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I'm not an expert and I've never
done anything like this before.
296
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And I've discovered I actually
hate the sound of my own voice.
297
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But I am a mother
who has lost her daughter.
298
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And I feel that gives me the right
to speak my mind.
299
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Because I am absolutely raging
about this inside.
300
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My daughter had her problems.
301
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But that doesn't mean
she doesn't deserve justice.
302
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That doesn't mean we should treat
her any differently to anybody else
303
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who's had their life
snatched away from them.
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I'm asking the Government
to urgently review Code C of PACE,
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which covers the detention,
treatment and questioning
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of suspects by police officers.
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PACE is nearly 30 years old and it
was brought in because of concerns
308
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over the way the police were
behaving with people in custody.
309
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Which I understand.
310
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But what Steve Fulcher faced
311
00:16:13,038 --> 00:16:15,237
were a very, very unusual
set of circumstances.
312
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And I feel
there should be more flexibility
313
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when police officers arrest people
in situations like that.
314
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Because I don't want anybody else
to suffer
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what we have been through as a family.
316
00:16:29,951 --> 00:16:31,951
Thank you. Thank you very much.
317
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I love you.
- I love you, too.
318
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See you soon.
319
00:17:00,038 --> 00:17:02,037
Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it?
I'm Yvonne.
320
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Steve's wife. I just want to say hello.
321
00:17:04,038 --> 00:17:06,037
Oh, how lovely to meet you.
322
00:17:06,038 --> 00:17:08,037
This is my husband Charlie.
323
00:17:08,038 --> 00:17:10,037
I am so sorry
Steve's having to go through this.
324
00:17:10,038 --> 00:17:12,517
In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace
325
00:17:12,518 --> 00:17:15,037
and please don't think
we had anything to do with it.
326
00:17:15,038 --> 00:17:17,037
This is all down to him. And when
I heard he'd made a complaint,
327
00:17:17,038 --> 00:17:19,037
after all Steve has done for us,
328
00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:21,037
I could have wrung his neck.
329
00:17:21,038 --> 00:17:23,420
Nice to meet you.
Erm, I was going to go outside.
330
00:17:23,421 --> 00:17:25,877
I'm not allowed to stay in here.
- Oh, that's ridiculous.
331
00:17:25,878 --> 00:17:28,037
Don't you worry, love.
We'll look after him.
332
00:17:28,038 --> 00:17:29,038
Thanks.
333
00:17:34,038 --> 00:17:35,556
Good morning, everyone.
334
00:17:35,557 --> 00:17:38,037
I am Chief Constable Andy Parker
from Warwickshire Police
335
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and I'll be chairing this hearing.
336
00:17:39,630 --> 00:17:42,037
There are some of you
that I haven't met before.
337
00:17:42,038 --> 00:17:44,237
I wonder if we can begin
by you telling us your names?
338
00:17:44,238 --> 00:17:47,037
Anna Proctor, IPCC.
339
00:17:47,038 --> 00:17:48,038
Thank you.
340
00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:50,878
The gentleman at the back?
- Er...
341
00:17:51,611 --> 00:17:53,931
My name is John Godden.
342
00:17:53,956 --> 00:17:55,956
Father of Rebecca Godden.
343
00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:01,140
David Godden, John's brother.
344
00:18:02,951 --> 00:18:05,951
Karen Edwards,
mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards.
345
00:18:05,976 --> 00:18:08,683
Could you just hang on a minute,
cos I...?
346
00:18:08,708 --> 00:18:10,041
I think I'm on the wrong side here.
347
00:18:10,078 --> 00:18:12,606
Cos I don't want to be associated
with this lot.
348
00:18:12,607 --> 00:18:14,659
Because we're here
to support Steve Fulcher.
349
00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:16,718
So, were going to... Come on, Charlie.
350
00:18:18,391 --> 00:18:19,391
Thank you.
351
00:18:22,038 --> 00:18:24,260
Thank you. Carry on.
352
00:18:29,038 --> 00:18:31,037
The first allegation concerns a complaint
353
00:18:31,038 --> 00:18:33,037
brought against you by Mr Godden.
354
00:18:33,038 --> 00:18:35,037
It is alleged that your behaviour,
355
00:18:35,038 --> 00:18:38,536
when dealing with Mr Halliwell
on 24th March, 2011,
356
00:18:38,537 --> 00:18:41,429
fell below the standards
of professional behaviour
357
00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:44,038
required of an officer of your standing.
358
00:18:45,391 --> 00:18:47,391
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
359
00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:50,078
I deny the allegation.
360
00:18:50,660 --> 00:18:52,037
Allegation two.
361
00:18:52,038 --> 00:18:55,037
It is alleged by your employer,
Wiltshire Police,
362
00:18:55,038 --> 00:18:58,078
that, by having inappropriate
contact with the media,
363
00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:02,037
your conduct again fell below
the same standards.
364
00:19:02,038 --> 00:19:04,037
Do you admit or deny the allegation?
365
00:19:04,038 --> 00:19:05,557
I deny the allegation.
366
00:19:05,558 --> 00:19:09,037
The provisions of PACE are quite
clear, Mr Fulcher.
367
00:19:09,038 --> 00:19:11,204
I mean, they're there to protect
the rights of all of us.
368
00:19:11,205 --> 00:19:13,320
Yes.
- Yet, you did not caution
369
00:19:13,345 --> 00:19:15,877
Christopher Halliwell
as the law dictates.
370
00:19:15,878 --> 00:19:17,037
Now, why not?
371
00:19:17,038 --> 00:19:19,038
Because I felt it was disingenuous
372
00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:24,315
to begin an interview with Halliwell
in those circumstances by saying,
373
00:19:24,316 --> 00:19:25,557
"You don't have to say anything."
374
00:19:25,558 --> 00:19:27,717
I felt his right to silence
375
00:19:27,718 --> 00:19:30,038
directly conflicted
with Sian's right to life.
376
00:19:31,038 --> 00:19:33,553
Er, a little while later,
Halliwell says to you,
377
00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:36,877
"Do you want another one?" Now, what
did you understand this to mean?
378
00:19:36,878 --> 00:19:40,037
It wasn't actually clear, initially,
what it meant.
379
00:19:40,038 --> 00:19:42,037
Well, if it wasn't clear,
wouldn't it have been better
380
00:19:42,038 --> 00:19:43,646
to arrest him for Sian, caution him,
381
00:19:43,647 --> 00:19:46,037
and then clarify things on the other
one back at the police station?
382
00:19:46,038 --> 00:19:48,037
But they wouldn't have been
clarified, would they?
383
00:19:48,038 --> 00:19:51,037
His solicitor would've advised him
to go, "No comment",
384
00:19:51,038 --> 00:19:53,227
and that would've been that.
- Not necessarily.
385
00:19:53,228 --> 00:19:55,037
He could've been properly cautioned,
brought back to the station
386
00:19:55,038 --> 00:19:57,340
and then revealed
the victim's whereabouts.
387
00:19:58,038 --> 00:20:00,077
That's the difference between
theory and practice.
388
00:20:00,078 --> 00:20:03,037
I mean, in practice,
that has never happened.
389
00:20:03,038 --> 00:20:04,397
Not once, in my whole career.
390
00:20:04,398 --> 00:20:07,371
Now, if you had arrested him
and cautioned him at that point,
391
00:20:07,372 --> 00:20:08,877
then everything that followed
392
00:20:08,878 --> 00:20:10,397
would have remained admissible
in evidence.
393
00:20:10,398 --> 00:20:13,717
Not to do so was a gross error
of judgment on your part, wasn't it?
394
00:20:13,718 --> 00:20:15,038
I don't believe it was, no.
395
00:20:19,975 --> 00:20:24,037
I feel like a madman in a roomful
of people who don't understand me.
396
00:20:24,038 --> 00:20:27,718
I'm saying the same thing over and
over again and nobody's listening.
397
00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:48,705
Mr Geenty, you've always supported
Steve Fulcher's reasoning
398
00:20:48,730 --> 00:20:51,277
for not cautioning
Christopher Halliwell, haven't you?
399
00:20:51,278 --> 00:20:54,077
I have no doubt about his good faith
that day.
400
00:20:54,078 --> 00:20:57,077
Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning.
401
00:20:57,078 --> 00:21:01,077
At the pre-trial hearing, before the
Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said,
402
00:21:01,078 --> 00:21:04,712
"I think the decision Steve made was,
403
00:21:04,713 --> 00:21:08,411
"to use the slang, a gutsy decision.
404
00:21:08,412 --> 00:21:11,077
"And I'd like to think
I would make a similar decision
405
00:21:11,078 --> 00:21:13,077
"in the same circumstances."
406
00:21:13,078 --> 00:21:15,077
Well, that was when he was still hoping
407
00:21:15,078 --> 00:21:16,917
that Sian might be found alive.
408
00:21:16,918 --> 00:21:18,077
We all were.
409
00:21:18,078 --> 00:21:20,077
But I disagree with his judgment
410
00:21:20,078 --> 00:21:23,078
when it came to him being offered
information about the second body.
411
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,077
That is where I think PACE
and the protection of the suspect
412
00:21:28,078 --> 00:21:30,077
would have become paramount
413
00:21:30,078 --> 00:21:33,077
because tragically, at that point,
when he knew Sian was dead,
414
00:21:33,078 --> 00:21:36,077
the urgent interview provision
no longer applied.
415
00:21:36,078 --> 00:21:39,375
So you agree with his actions in
relation to Sian, but not to Becky?
416
00:21:39,376 --> 00:21:43,077
No, I believe, at that point,
in the heat of the moment,
417
00:21:43,078 --> 00:21:44,760
he could not have been thinking clearly.
418
00:21:44,761 --> 00:21:47,520
So what are you saying, then?
That Becky doesn't matter?
419
00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:52,077
Would it be fair to say
that Steve Fulcher
420
00:21:52,078 --> 00:21:55,917
was by far the most experienced SIO
that Wiltshire had
421
00:21:55,918 --> 00:21:58,077
at the point of the Sian and Becky
investigation?
422
00:21:58,078 --> 00:22:01,420
Steve has demonstrated
that he has a solid track record.
423
00:22:01,421 --> 00:22:04,077
And that,
whatever else this case is about,
424
00:22:04,078 --> 00:22:08,077
there is no doubt that he is an
outstandingly good police officer.
425
00:22:08,078 --> 00:22:10,510
He is a very competent officer, yes.
426
00:22:10,511 --> 00:22:13,437
Now, in spite of the fact that
it's normal for senior officers
427
00:22:13,438 --> 00:22:16,077
to give off-the-record media briefings,
428
00:22:16,078 --> 00:22:19,077
you say you had a conversation
with Steve Fulcher
429
00:22:19,078 --> 00:22:22,652
to tell him of an order by the then
Deputy Chief Constable Geenty
430
00:22:22,653 --> 00:22:25,077
that he wasn't to do any interviews
with journalists.
431
00:22:25,078 --> 00:22:26,437
That is correct, yes.
432
00:22:26,438 --> 00:22:29,277
You made an entry into your diary
that day, didn't you?
433
00:22:29,278 --> 00:22:31,767
You record 16 points
434
00:22:31,768 --> 00:22:34,117
relating to various matters
you'd discussed with him.
435
00:22:34,118 --> 00:22:37,077
But the one thing you haven't recorded
436
00:22:37,078 --> 00:22:38,782
is any mention of Steve Fulcher
437
00:22:38,783 --> 00:22:40,569
being told not to speak to the media.
438
00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:43,277
I spoke to Steve Fulcher
about DCC Geenty's order
439
00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:45,720
at the end of the conversation.
440
00:22:46,758 --> 00:22:49,077
Those other points were from
the first part of the conversation.
441
00:22:49,078 --> 00:22:51,077
But surely, Mr Geenty's order
442
00:22:51,078 --> 00:22:54,077
would've been the most important
part of that conversation,
443
00:22:54,078 --> 00:22:57,277
based on the fact that Steve Fulcher
stands here today
444
00:22:57,278 --> 00:23:00,077
with the prospect
of losing his career because of it?
445
00:23:00,078 --> 00:23:02,077
I didn't feel it necessary
to have recorded
446
00:23:02,078 --> 00:23:03,078
that part of the conversation.
447
00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:05,720
But I can assure you that it did happen.
448
00:23:06,758 --> 00:23:09,077
Is this actually misconduct at all?
449
00:23:09,078 --> 00:23:12,317
In both instances, the failure
to caution Christopher Halliwell
450
00:23:12,318 --> 00:23:15,077
and the interviews Detective
Superintendent Fulcher
451
00:23:15,078 --> 00:23:16,662
gave to the media,
452
00:23:16,663 --> 00:23:18,830
might not many members of the public say,
453
00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:23,485
"Surely, there are better ways
for the police service and the IPCC
454
00:23:23,486 --> 00:23:25,077
"to deal with such matters?
455
00:23:25,078 --> 00:23:28,077
"Are you really satisfied,
based on the evidence before you,
456
00:23:28,078 --> 00:23:31,077
"that you could take the steps
to remove this man's career?"
457
00:23:31,078 --> 00:23:33,662
Thank you, Mr Beggs.
- Are there any questions
458
00:23:33,663 --> 00:23:36,077
from Rebecca's family members
present today?
459
00:23:36,078 --> 00:23:39,078
Well, not from me.
I'm very happy with how it's gone.
460
00:23:40,078 --> 00:23:43,077
Mrs Edwards?
- I agree with Mr Beggs.
461
00:23:43,078 --> 00:23:47,077
It seems ridiculous all this
public money's been spent on this.
462
00:23:47,078 --> 00:23:48,597
Thank you, both.
463
00:23:48,598 --> 00:23:51,472
Well, we shall now retire
to consider our judgment.
464
00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:54,077
You will be informed of our verdict
in due course,
465
00:23:54,078 --> 00:23:56,077
when this hearing will reconvene.
466
00:23:56,078 --> 00:23:57,240
Thank you.
467
00:24:30,414 --> 00:24:32,118
Come on, you reds!
468
00:24:42,078 --> 00:24:44,077
My sister got in a cab with him.
469
00:24:44,078 --> 00:24:45,757
With Halliwell?
- Yeah.
470
00:24:45,758 --> 00:24:49,077
She seen his picture in the paper
and she was sure it was him.
471
00:24:49,078 --> 00:24:52,077
She gets in his cab
and he drives her the wrong way,
472
00:24:52,078 --> 00:24:55,077
out towards Savernake Forest,
acting all weird, like.
473
00:24:55,078 --> 00:24:57,917
She screams and opens the door
and someone sees them.
474
00:24:57,918 --> 00:24:59,707
And he pulls over and lets her out.
475
00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:02,077
Says he was just having a laugh with her.
476
00:25:02,078 --> 00:25:05,280
She doesn't know how lucky she is.
- Yeah, that's what my mum says.
477
00:25:07,078 --> 00:25:09,560
All right, thank you. Thank you.
478
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,077
We just wanted to check that you were OK.
479
00:25:13,078 --> 00:25:15,078
See if you had any worries or questions.
480
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,078
Thank you. It's much appreciated.
481
00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:23,026
I don't know if you're aware
of what Karen Edwards is doing.
482
00:25:23,078 --> 00:25:24,480
She's got a petition going.
483
00:25:26,758 --> 00:25:28,118
I'm aware of it, yeah.
484
00:25:28,143 --> 00:25:31,943
Her support for Stephen Fulcher
is very commendable, but...
485
00:25:31,968 --> 00:25:34,968
...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is...
486
00:25:34,993 --> 00:25:36,353
...misguided.
487
00:25:37,278 --> 00:25:40,598
Our position is that Fulcher
shouldn't have breached PACE.
488
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,078
Yeah, that's how we feel.
489
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,598
We would have found Sian's body anyway.
490
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,560
That's good to know.
491
00:25:52,078 --> 00:25:55,277
We've heard from Karen's FLO
that she would like to meet you.
492
00:25:55,278 --> 00:25:58,077
Would you be interested
in us arranging that?
493
00:25:58,078 --> 00:26:00,078
No, I wouldn't. Thank you.
494
00:26:01,078 --> 00:26:03,280
After she got in the car with him...
495
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,918
...I keep wondering
what happened to her after that.
496
00:26:09,531 --> 00:26:12,171
I torment myself
wondering if it was quick.
497
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,078
Erm...
498
00:26:17,671 --> 00:26:22,671
He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have
to give a detailed account in court.
499
00:26:23,078 --> 00:26:24,917
Or at least...
500
00:26:24,918 --> 00:26:26,400
...one that we could challenge.
501
00:26:28,078 --> 00:26:30,077
Did she know
what he was going to do with her?
502
00:26:30,078 --> 00:26:31,078
Was she frightened?
503
00:26:33,611 --> 00:26:36,251
Halliwell said that he killed her
quickly.
504
00:26:37,331 --> 00:26:39,331
Within a few minutes of setting off.
505
00:26:40,325 --> 00:26:42,845
She started struggling,
so he stabbed her.
506
00:26:45,078 --> 00:26:46,078
Erm...
507
00:26:47,285 --> 00:26:49,245
I don't know if I believe him.
508
00:26:52,758 --> 00:26:55,078
She wasn't wearing her boots
when you found her.
509
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,240
They were tight-fitting.
510
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,118
When did they come off? Did...?
511
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,200
Did he start to undress her?
512
00:27:14,078 --> 00:27:17,078
I just keep playing it
over and over in my head.
513
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,680
Different scenarios and...
514
00:27:28,078 --> 00:27:30,078
...I just see her face, Pete.
515
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,078
Terrified.
516
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,077
Come here...
517
00:27:39,078 --> 00:27:40,078
It's OK.
518
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,118
Come here.
519
00:27:42,758 --> 00:27:44,078
Shh...
520
00:27:49,758 --> 00:27:51,758
I want to look after you, Elaine.
521
00:27:54,078 --> 00:27:56,280
I'm here for you, all right?
522
00:27:59,598 --> 00:28:03,800
Everything that's happened has
just made me want to protect you.
523
00:28:10,552 --> 00:28:12,552
Why don't you pack it in at work?
524
00:28:14,938 --> 00:28:16,520
You hate that fucking job.
525
00:28:18,078 --> 00:28:19,400
I can support you.
526
00:28:25,078 --> 00:28:27,600
I want us to be together properly,
Elaine.
527
00:28:32,371 --> 00:28:33,371
Mm.
528
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,078
I have asked you not to smoke inside.
529
00:29:02,605 --> 00:29:05,245
Why don't you have a shower?
530
00:29:07,078 --> 00:29:09,544
Why don't you have a nice shower
and we could go to Brighton?
531
00:29:09,545 --> 00:29:10,824
The girls are out tonight.
532
00:29:10,825 --> 00:29:12,764
We could have lunch
and we wouldn't have to rush back.
533
00:29:12,765 --> 00:29:14,078
Do I smell, Yvonne?
534
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,077
What?
- Or do I stink?
535
00:29:16,078 --> 00:29:18,078
Can you smell me from there?
536
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,077
I don't know what you're talking about.
537
00:29:20,078 --> 00:29:21,277
Oh, obfuscation.
538
00:29:21,278 --> 00:29:23,077
I can tell from your answer,
539
00:29:23,078 --> 00:29:25,078
or, more accurately, your...
540
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,078
...lack of an answer, that I don't.
Therefore...
541
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,077
...no need for me to shower.
542
00:29:30,078 --> 00:29:31,520
Is this you being funny?
543
00:29:33,078 --> 00:29:35,677
Anyway, I'm not allowed
to leave the county
544
00:29:35,678 --> 00:29:37,077
without getting permission from them.
545
00:29:37,078 --> 00:29:38,571
You're joking?
- It's true.
546
00:29:38,572 --> 00:29:40,800
I have to ask them
if I can leave Wiltshire.
547
00:29:45,078 --> 00:29:46,078
Well...
548
00:29:47,438 --> 00:29:48,598
OK.
549
00:29:57,370 --> 00:30:01,077
What has happened to Steve Fulcher
is nothing short of scandalous.
550
00:30:01,078 --> 00:30:04,757
Cos, without him, my daughter
would be lying in a field somewhere
551
00:30:04,758 --> 00:30:07,077
without anyone knowing where she was.
552
00:30:07,078 --> 00:30:09,471
But he has been hounded
from pillar to post
553
00:30:09,472 --> 00:30:11,806
while Christopher Halliwell,
who murdered her,
554
00:30:11,807 --> 00:30:14,077
has never faced justice for what he did.
555
00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:17,077
Our Justice For Becky campaign
is petitioning the Government
556
00:30:17,078 --> 00:30:18,117
to change the PACE law.
557
00:30:18,118 --> 00:30:22,077
So, please, sign our petition
if you see us around Swindon.
558
00:30:22,078 --> 00:30:23,078
Not ideal.
559
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,558
What, are you worried about a backlash
560
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,077
if Karen Edwards' support for Steve
Fulcher gains too much momentum?
561
00:30:29,078 --> 00:30:32,077
Because, I have to admit,
it has crossed my mind.
562
00:30:32,078 --> 00:30:34,337
It's not great, from a PR point of view.
563
00:30:34,362 --> 00:30:35,475
No.
564
00:30:35,476 --> 00:30:38,757
Maybe we should have another think
about the investigation.
565
00:30:38,758 --> 00:30:39,851
Yeah.
566
00:30:39,852 --> 00:30:42,597
I know we bicker, I know he can be...
567
00:30:42,598 --> 00:30:44,077
...controlling.
568
00:30:44,078 --> 00:30:45,118
But...
569
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,078
...he can be so sweet.
570
00:30:48,758 --> 00:30:50,077
He's picked me up when I was down.
571
00:30:50,078 --> 00:30:52,277
He's been there for me
all through this. He's been my rock.
572
00:30:52,278 --> 00:30:54,598
He did force you to get that lump
on your boob checked.
573
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,077
I will give him that.
574
00:30:56,078 --> 00:30:59,077
And just when I think
he's exactly what I need,
575
00:30:59,078 --> 00:31:01,757
things happen and I wonder if he is.
576
00:31:01,758 --> 00:31:04,077
We've had another row
because he says Aiden
577
00:31:04,078 --> 00:31:07,077
took a can of Coke
out of the fridge without asking.
578
00:31:07,078 --> 00:31:09,078
Really? A can of Coke?
579
00:31:10,138 --> 00:31:11,400
That's the, er...
580
00:31:12,278 --> 00:31:15,078
...the police at Karen's.
I wonder what they're there for.
581
00:31:16,758 --> 00:31:18,078
She asked to meet me, Karen.
582
00:31:19,078 --> 00:31:21,280
What did you say?
- No.
583
00:31:23,078 --> 00:31:25,320
I can't face her. I know I should, but...
584
00:31:27,078 --> 00:31:29,078
I can't really explain it.
585
00:31:30,004 --> 00:31:31,776
We have come across so many people
586
00:31:31,777 --> 00:31:33,855
who have given us information
on Halliwell.
587
00:31:33,856 --> 00:31:35,688
People who say
they got into his taxi with him
588
00:31:35,689 --> 00:31:37,117
and had scary experiences.
589
00:31:37,118 --> 00:31:40,551
People saying he got obsessed
with women and would stalk them.
590
00:31:40,552 --> 00:31:43,077
People who can link him to girls
who have gone missing.
591
00:31:43,078 --> 00:31:45,077
But it's all hearsay, Karen.
592
00:31:45,078 --> 00:31:47,860
People say they know someone who knew him
593
00:31:47,861 --> 00:31:50,077
or people who've heard something
about him
594
00:31:50,078 --> 00:31:51,766
and not seen it for themselves.
595
00:31:51,767 --> 00:31:54,280
Nothing that would stand up in court.
596
00:31:55,998 --> 00:31:58,998
I'm sorry, but trying to play
amateur detective
597
00:31:59,023 --> 00:32:02,761
and criticising Wiltshire Police
in the media is not helping things.
598
00:32:02,786 --> 00:32:04,088
It's not all critical.
599
00:32:04,118 --> 00:32:08,479
I always tell everybody what
a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did.
600
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,077
And he is a Wiltshire
police officer, isn't he?
601
00:32:10,078 --> 00:32:11,659
We're all in this together.
602
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,597
Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum
Elaine the other day
603
00:32:14,598 --> 00:32:16,917
and she was saying the same thing.
604
00:32:16,918 --> 00:32:18,078
It's a team effort.
605
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,077
Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her?
606
00:32:22,078 --> 00:32:24,078
I did.
- And what did she say?
607
00:32:25,938 --> 00:32:26,938
Er...
608
00:32:27,078 --> 00:32:30,078
She says it's not the right time
for her at the moment.
609
00:32:35,992 --> 00:32:37,992
Well, my door is always open.
610
00:32:41,078 --> 00:32:43,077
When you spoke to the psychiatrist
611
00:32:43,078 --> 00:32:45,525
about those feelings of rage,
Christopher,
612
00:32:45,526 --> 00:32:48,077
of being consumed by a single thought,
613
00:32:48,078 --> 00:32:51,320
did he talk about finding
a harmless release mechanism?
614
00:32:52,291 --> 00:32:55,931
For example, to think of something
that calms us down.
615
00:32:56,344 --> 00:32:58,600
Well, I told him I liked to go fishing.
616
00:33:00,078 --> 00:33:02,078
I used to love sitting there
for hours on end.
617
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,078
I find it very peaceful.
618
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,078
And that's good.
619
00:33:08,078 --> 00:33:09,278
Yeah.
620
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,078
I had this special place
where I liked to fish.
621
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,078
Out in the woods.
622
00:33:15,012 --> 00:33:17,012
It was like my own private...
623
00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,078
I don't know what you'd call it.
A sanctum.
624
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,078
Yeah.
625
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,078
I used to love going there.
626
00:33:25,078 --> 00:33:26,880
My special place.
627
00:33:50,078 --> 00:33:51,616
The panel feels that
628
00:33:51,617 --> 00:33:53,735
the continuation of custody
of Christopher Halliwell
629
00:33:53,736 --> 00:33:56,077
without caution or without any
of the other safeguards
630
00:33:56,078 --> 00:33:57,917
afforded him by PACE,
631
00:33:57,918 --> 00:34:00,872
particularly when en route
to the location of Rebecca Godden,
632
00:34:00,873 --> 00:34:02,077
cannot be justified.
633
00:34:02,078 --> 00:34:05,437
At such time as it became apparent
that Sian O'Callaghan was dead,
634
00:34:05,438 --> 00:34:07,688
you should have stopped the car,
turned it around
635
00:34:07,689 --> 00:34:09,757
and taken Halliwell into custody.
636
00:34:09,758 --> 00:34:12,518
And the panel has a wider duty to perform
637
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,077
in respect to public confidence,
638
00:34:15,078 --> 00:34:17,667
and the message needs to be sent
to other officers
639
00:34:17,668 --> 00:34:21,077
that a detective cannot ignore PACE
to such an extent
640
00:34:21,078 --> 00:34:23,757
without being held fully to account.
641
00:34:23,758 --> 00:34:26,920
And we regard your conduct
as gross misconduct.
642
00:34:27,918 --> 00:34:31,077
On allegation two,
the panel concludes that,
643
00:34:31,078 --> 00:34:33,077
on the balance of probability,
644
00:34:33,078 --> 00:34:36,437
you were given an instruction
by Chief Superintendent Pritchard
645
00:34:36,438 --> 00:34:38,077
to not give interviews to the media.
646
00:34:38,078 --> 00:34:40,634
This is not behaviour we would
expect from a senior officer
647
00:34:40,635 --> 00:34:43,078
and we regard the conduct
as gross misconduct.
648
00:34:44,705 --> 00:34:46,880
These breaches would justify dismissal.
649
00:34:48,078 --> 00:34:51,077
However, taking into account
your previous exemplary record,
650
00:34:51,078 --> 00:34:54,320
the panel has concluded that
the most appropriate sanction...
651
00:34:55,078 --> 00:34:57,078
...is a final written warning.
652
00:35:01,078 --> 00:35:05,077
And I cannot stress how close
you came to losing your job today.
653
00:35:05,078 --> 00:35:08,077
I do hope that you have learnt
from this experience.
654
00:35:08,078 --> 00:35:09,917
It's not right what Fulcher did!
655
00:35:09,918 --> 00:35:12,919
Why should we have to pay with
our pain because of his mistakes?
656
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,078
I've been mentally scarred by this.
657
00:35:16,898 --> 00:35:19,509
It seems to me, come to Swindon
and commit a murder
658
00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:20,923
cos you'll get away with it.
659
00:35:22,278 --> 00:35:24,360
I will never trust the police again.
660
00:35:25,438 --> 00:35:27,078
Never.
661
00:36:28,072 --> 00:36:30,072
I can start back as soon as possible.
662
00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:32,071
And you're actually going to?
663
00:36:32,072 --> 00:36:34,071
Well, what else am I going to do?
664
00:36:34,072 --> 00:36:36,620
I'm a police officer. It's all I...
665
00:36:38,072 --> 00:36:40,071
It's all I know, Yvonne!
666
00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:43,071
And I am fucking good at it!
- Good for you, Steve!
667
00:36:43,072 --> 00:36:44,620
Fuck everyone else!
668
00:37:01,540 --> 00:37:03,271
We're very pleased
to have you here, Steve.
669
00:37:03,272 --> 00:37:04,591
Thank you.
670
00:37:04,592 --> 00:37:07,071
You knew Ray Hayward, is that right?
- Er, yes.
671
00:37:07,072 --> 00:37:08,072
Yes, I liked Ray.
672
00:37:08,073 --> 00:37:10,911
I met him many times in meetings.
673
00:37:10,912 --> 00:37:13,180
He always had an interesting take
on things, you know.
674
00:37:14,072 --> 00:37:15,752
Here we are.
675
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:22,071
Now, when the word went round
that you were available,
676
00:37:22,072 --> 00:37:24,647
our previous Bobby Van manager
has just retired.
677
00:37:24,648 --> 00:37:25,841
Mm-hm.
678
00:37:25,866 --> 00:37:28,439
You're obviously a bit overqualified...
- What exactly is Bobby Van?
679
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,271
It's a local initiative to get a van out
680
00:37:30,272 --> 00:37:33,071
to burglary and criminal damage victims
681
00:37:33,072 --> 00:37:36,071
to get their windows and doors
and suchlike fixed up.
682
00:37:36,072 --> 00:37:38,071
Mm-hm. Right.
683
00:37:38,072 --> 00:37:39,751
Well, I'll...
684
00:37:39,752 --> 00:37:41,072
I'll leave you to it.
685
00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:43,071
Give you a chance
to get up to speed on everything.
686
00:37:43,072 --> 00:37:45,072
Thank you.
- OK.
687
00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:57,300
This is about justice for Becky.
688
00:37:58,072 --> 00:38:00,509
And justice for a brave police officer,
689
00:38:00,510 --> 00:38:04,071
whose career has been ruined
just for doing his job.
690
00:38:04,072 --> 00:38:08,071
And over 40.000 people
have signed our petition,
691
00:38:08,072 --> 00:38:11,072
and with the help of our local MP
692
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,111
we are delighted
to be able to deliver our demand
693
00:38:14,112 --> 00:38:18,071
for a change in the law
directly to Mr Cameron.
694
00:38:18,072 --> 00:38:21,780
And this must never be allowed
to happen again.
695
00:38:22,072 --> 00:38:26,431
Will my Right Honourable friend
join our cause for a thorough review
696
00:38:26,432 --> 00:38:29,751
of Code C of
the Police And Criminal Evidence Act
697
00:38:29,752 --> 00:38:34,071
so that terrible situations
like this will not happen again?
698
00:38:34,072 --> 00:38:37,071
I will look very carefully at what
my honourable friend has raised
699
00:38:37,072 --> 00:38:39,431
and the specific case that he mentions,
700
00:38:39,432 --> 00:38:41,071
and look also at this issue
701
00:38:41,072 --> 00:38:42,899
of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act.
702
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:45,452
It is always important
that all information
703
00:38:45,453 --> 00:38:49,071
that possibly can be put in front of
a court is put in front of the court
704
00:38:49,072 --> 00:38:51,071
so the court can reach the correct, er...
705
00:38:51,072 --> 00:38:52,752
...the correct decision.
706
00:38:56,238 --> 00:38:59,071
I want you to know
that it's OK to feel happy again.
707
00:38:59,072 --> 00:39:03,071
That, if something good happens,
it's OK to smile
708
00:39:03,072 --> 00:39:05,071
or feel good inside.
709
00:39:05,072 --> 00:39:07,592
It's not betraying Sian
to feel like that.
710
00:39:13,072 --> 00:39:15,071
Me and Pete have decided...
711
00:39:15,072 --> 00:39:17,071
...that we make each other happy.
712
00:39:17,072 --> 00:39:19,072
So, we're going to get married.
713
00:39:20,671 --> 00:39:22,991
And I wanted to tell you before
anyone else,
714
00:39:23,016 --> 00:39:25,016
so you can tell me how you feel about it.
715
00:39:28,072 --> 00:39:29,072
If it's what you want.
716
00:39:29,073 --> 00:39:31,500
Mm.
- I'm happy for you.
717
00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:35,580
Aiden?
718
00:39:36,072 --> 00:39:38,072
I'm glad that you want to marry Pete.
719
00:39:38,704 --> 00:39:40,704
I just want you to be happy, Mum.
720
00:40:26,172 --> 00:40:28,172
I've had enough, Steve.
721
00:40:30,972 --> 00:40:32,380
I can't take any more.
722
00:40:39,324 --> 00:40:41,324
OK, if I retire early...
- Mm-hm.
723
00:40:42,432 --> 00:40:44,072
...my pension will be cut.
724
00:40:47,072 --> 00:40:49,912
We wouldn't have enough to live on.
- I don't care.
725
00:41:10,072 --> 00:41:11,072
Good to see you.
726
00:41:11,073 --> 00:41:13,072
So, this is where we are. Erm...
727
00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:16,071
Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word
728
00:41:16,072 --> 00:41:18,591
and he referred this to Theresa May,
the Home Secretary.
729
00:41:18,592 --> 00:41:19,861
Excellent.
730
00:41:19,862 --> 00:41:23,071
And she referred it to Damian Green,
the Policing Secretary.
731
00:41:23,072 --> 00:41:25,071
And he passed it on to ACPO,
732
00:41:25,072 --> 00:41:27,071
the Association of Chief Police Officers.
733
00:41:27,072 --> 00:41:29,071
Right.
- And they asked for comments
734
00:41:29,072 --> 00:41:32,071
from the relevant police service,
Wiltshire.
735
00:41:32,072 --> 00:41:34,071
Then they went back to Damian Green
with their recommendation
736
00:41:34,072 --> 00:41:36,580
for no action required.
737
00:41:38,838 --> 00:41:40,838
They advise that Section 11 of PACE
738
00:41:40,863 --> 00:41:43,863
is only applicable to a threat
to life and the recovery of evidence
739
00:41:43,888 --> 00:41:45,888
and, therefore,
didn't apply in this case.
740
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:49,480
But that's exactly what Steve was doing.
741
00:41:49,505 --> 00:41:52,505
He was trying to save Sian
and recover Becky's body. So...
742
00:41:53,072 --> 00:41:54,340
I'm very sorry.
743
00:41:56,072 --> 00:41:57,072
The pond itself.
744
00:41:57,073 --> 00:42:00,071
And as you can see, we've pulled out
a lot of pieces of clothing.
745
00:42:00,072 --> 00:42:02,071
That's quite a lot there.
- It is.
746
00:42:02,072 --> 00:42:04,072
What are we up to now?
747
00:42:05,072 --> 00:42:07,911
About 20 items so far.
But I expect that to go up.
748
00:42:07,912 --> 00:42:09,911
We're going to have another scan
of the pond
749
00:42:09,912 --> 00:42:11,071
and see if we can pull anything else out.
750
00:42:11,072 --> 00:42:12,519
We might have missed one or two things.
751
00:42:12,544 --> 00:42:13,578
Sir!
752
00:42:14,072 --> 00:42:15,420
Yeah.
753
00:42:29,072 --> 00:42:30,220
OK. Excellent.
754
00:42:30,952 --> 00:42:32,952
I think that might be Sian's boot.
755
00:42:42,752 --> 00:42:44,460
It was nice of you to come round.
756
00:42:45,072 --> 00:42:48,431
I always felt that,
with everything that happened,
757
00:42:48,432 --> 00:42:51,071
I never really got the chance
to tell you how sorry I was
758
00:42:51,072 --> 00:42:52,072
about what happened to Ray.
759
00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:55,964
Well, it's not been easy for me,
760
00:42:55,989 --> 00:42:59,914
knowing that he was so desperate
and that we couldn't help him.
761
00:42:59,915 --> 00:43:01,072
Thanks.
762
00:43:02,072 --> 00:43:06,072
Look, I can't speak about
the allegations against him, but...
763
00:43:08,072 --> 00:43:10,072
...from my point of view,
he was a good friend.
764
00:43:12,072 --> 00:43:16,072
Yeah. There was a lot I wanted
to say about how he was treated.
765
00:43:19,385 --> 00:43:21,385
It's not worth it, Steve.
766
00:43:21,938 --> 00:43:24,938
I know what's been happening
with you, and it's not worth it.
767
00:43:27,112 --> 00:43:30,072
The job meant everything to Ray,
too. But...
768
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:33,072
...it wasn't more important
than his children...
769
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:35,072
...than his life.
770
00:44:27,072 --> 00:44:28,740
Debs?
771
00:44:28,765 --> 00:44:30,765
Are you watching the local news?
772
00:44:34,072 --> 00:44:36,340
I think the timing's
a bit too convenient.
773
00:44:36,785 --> 00:44:38,305
Where was it?
774
00:44:38,330 --> 00:44:40,970
They're carrying out a dig
at a spot in Ramsbury.
775
00:44:41,072 --> 00:44:43,071
I think this has come
from some information
776
00:44:43,072 --> 00:44:45,071
passed on by Halliwell's
probation officer.
777
00:44:45,072 --> 00:44:48,071
...the boot in the water
which we have recovered.
778
00:44:48,072 --> 00:44:50,560
So, you were walking
along the lane and...?
779
00:44:50,561 --> 00:44:54,071
Scoping the ponds as to which I thought
780
00:44:54,072 --> 00:44:57,071
would be most likely to deposit property.
781
00:44:57,072 --> 00:44:58,580
Why now?
782
00:44:59,072 --> 00:45:01,431
They've done nothing over the
last 18 months and then suddenly,
783
00:45:01,432 --> 00:45:03,071
"Look what a great job we're doing."
784
00:45:03,072 --> 00:45:04,548
I reckon they're worried about backlash
785
00:45:04,549 --> 00:45:06,112
over the way you've been treated.
786
00:45:07,072 --> 00:45:09,431
He says that numerous items
have been recovered.
787
00:45:09,432 --> 00:45:11,071
Mm. One of 60, I heard.
788
00:45:11,072 --> 00:45:12,111
60?
789
00:45:12,112 --> 00:45:15,072
This could be what
you've been waiting for, Steve.
790
00:45:16,072 --> 00:45:17,431
Yeah, I know.
791
00:45:17,432 --> 00:45:19,071
Bollocks.
792
00:45:19,072 --> 00:45:22,071
What?
- I handed in my resignation.
793
00:45:22,072 --> 00:45:23,420
I'm no longer a police officer.
794
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:30,420
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